Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

[JYester]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 12/19/98 11:43:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

>
>  In a message dated 12/19/98 12:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>  >
>  >  No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue,
>  >  and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive
>  >  statement against slavery...
>  >
>
>  Slavery was the issue of the civil war.  Read McPherson.  The States Rights
>  stuff was used by the South to keep from having to argue the slavery
> question
>  since they obviously were in a morally bankrupt position.  The South used
> the
>  States Rights argument again in the 1950s and 19960s to avoid the civil
> rights
>  issue.  It didn't work that time either.
>
>  Jerry
>
>
June: Why do you bother? You can't educate the whole world. "There are none so
blind as those who will not see."

June

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[CTRL] FWD: WH Secret Police??

[A.C. Szul]

THE SECRET POLICE STRIKE AGAIN

 By DICK MORRIS

 CAN anyone seriously believe that the ''outing'' of
 incoming House Speaker Robert Livingston's
 extra-marital affairs is not the work of the White
 House Secret Police? 

 Consider the record. House Oversight Committee
 Chairman Dan Burton investigated the White
 House misuse of FBI files. Then, out came
 evidence that he had fathered an out-of-wedlock
 child. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry
 Hyde led the impeachment inquiry against the
 president. Then, out came the story of his
 decades-past adulterous relationship. Now,
 Livingston, who has refused to agree to a censure
 vote, has found his private life investigated. 

 Coincidence? Maybe, but add to this the fact that
 during the same time period there have been no
 revelations about the private lives of any supporter
 of the president. The contrast is jarring. And this
 administration's history of smearing its enemies,
 combined with information about administration
 knowledge of these stories, leads to the
 inescapable conclusion that the White House was
 responsible for all of these leaks. 

 Last night, after the Livingston story broke, ABC's
 Cokie Roberts reported that several weeks ago
 she had been told by a source close to the White
 House of a rumor about a Livingston affair...


http://www.nypostonline.com/commentary/7299.htm
--->snip>
Regards,
-A
http://www.erols.com/mack97
"The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous
 

Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust

[Peter Vit]

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Dear Mr. Jim Condit Jr.,

If you are so busy, why don't you spend your spare time with your
beloved and free the bandwidth.

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Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

[RoadsEnd]

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In a message dated 12/19/98 7:51:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Now as to Bush still being ringleader, I find that completely possible
>in an overarching non-direct way, but he must be out of the loop in some of
>what Clinton does in order for my theories about Clinton and China to be
true.

China is really where the Boodle Boys are quite well founded. Mao was taught
and was a teacher with S&B, yale institutions in China. First and almost all
official liasons have been S&B. Also follow the boys and the money.

A short quick lesson in econ.  A few efficent manufacturing plants running 24
hours a day can crank-out all the stuff the world will consume in most any
given commodity. Gee, where us most of that production now? In 'COMMUNIST'
China, The goods get paid for with 'money earnings', Assuming that China is
making a profit on all the goods they are selling to US, where is all this
money going to? Well, one is to the continued erosion of any US national
manufacturing expertise and capability. All paid for by US, slick trick, hunh.

The clinton / cosco etc. sideshow is to keep the 'dogs' at  'command' and
'rabid'.

What we are fed is not reality but some pap for us to react to.

Much better to have reactive patsies than active  corespondents. Then ya gota
deal with chess game and play has commenced.

My daddy said over thirty years ago. "The Vietnam War is about Drugs. There
are these secret societies behind it. Communism is all a SHAM. These same
secret societies are behind it all.  Right-on Pops.

Understand the ramifications of my daddy's words. And understand that he was
branch chief head of East asia for the CIA, and in OSS before that.

Billy is quite the junior to mister Bush. Look at the 1912 campaign and the
parallels. NAFTA/GATT instead of the FED, but a three party race to make sure
billy-boy the anointed one made it in , in a most believable way.
Accomplishment of approved tasks whilst  other ideas used as fodder for
partisianship, not citizen's welfare. MHO

Billy boy , Billy Boy, Billy Boy
Where is our charming Billy
Is he going to the well?
To catch a little hell
Or will he be gone 'ere the morrow?


Naw, he'll stay, 'they' like the tension and what it is doing to the guts and
the polarization, where or where wilt cometh the sparke?

Cynical yours,
Om
K
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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

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In a message dated 12/19/98 12:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>
>  No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue,
>  and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive
>  statement against slavery...
>

Slavery was the issue of the civil war.  Read McPherson.  The States Rights
stuff was used by the South to keep from having to argue the slavery question
since they obviously were in a morally bankrupt position.  The South used the
States Rights argument again in the 1950s and 19960s to avoid the civil rights
issue.  It didn't work that time either.

Jerry

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[CTRL] Clinton's Monica Missiles And Bin Laden

[flw]

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Looks like Clinton's "Monica Missiles" are Bin Laden's most effective
recruiters.
Bombs away!
flw

©
Back with a vengeance:
Bin Laden is training recruits to unleash a fresh wave
of terror against the West


by Adrian Levy and
Cathy Scott-Clark
Peshawar

THE world's most wanted terrorist, Osama Bin Laden, is preparing for war.
Four months after the United States launched cruise missile attacks on his
camps in Afghanistan, Bin Laden has rebuilt his "terrorist universities" and
is constructing bomb-proof headquarters in a cave beyond the reach of spy
satellites in the Pamir mountains in the north of the country.

Despite a $5m (£3m) bounty offered by America, Bin Laden, 43, has created an
expanded network of ideological recruitment centres, military training camps
and weapon stores. Washington has issued a 235-count indictment against Bin
Laden and attempted to sequestrate his assets, but the Saudi fugitive is
remobilising Al Qaida, his terrorist organisation, which has been accused of
bombing American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania on August 7, killing more
than 250 people.

In the past few months, Bin Laden's agents are believed to have stolen
scores of passports and travel documents in London and other western
European cities - apparently for use in future operations - while hundreds
of new recruits from North Africa, the Middle East and Bosnia have been
smuggled into his bases.

Intelligence and diplomatic sources in Pakistan fear that Al Qaida may be
about to send teams of militants on missions to bomb American targets in the
Middle East - a risk that has increased with the bombing of Iraq."The
training of Islamic radicals has been fully reactivated inside Afghanistan,"
a Pakistani intelligence source said last week. "We believe Bin Laden may
use the month of Ramadan, which begins this weekend, as the starting point
for new operations."

Bin Laden is said to have told a senior member of the Taliban, the Islamic
fundamentalist group that rules most of Afghanistan, that Al Qaida is
"preparing to act".
On August 20, 75 cruise missiles were fired from USS Abraham Lincoln, a
carrier in the Arabian Sea, striking two of six militant training camps in
the Khost region of eastern Afghanistan, a desert of flinty mountains and
barren valleys. The attack destroyed the Al-Badr II camp, believed to have
been run by Bin Laden, and Amir Muawiya camp, used by Harakat-ul-Ansar
(HUA), a terrorist group. Bin Laden was hundreds of miles to the south.

"What America does not appreciate is that it takes very little time to build
these camps," said Bakhat Zamin, a fundamentalist commander in Khost. "All
one needs are mud and stones and there are plenty of them out here."

There are also plenty of willing recruits. At Edak, a lawless Pakistani
frontier town in the lap of the Toba Kakar Mountains, where automatic
weapons are worn like fashion accessories, Islamic scholars at the Nizamiah
college said representatives from HUA and Al Qaida had been regular visitors
in recent months. "They are recruiting for a new jihad," said a student in a
white turban. "Two hundred boys have already gone from here."

Nearby camps, just over the Afghan border at Khwaja Mastoon Ghundai and Sati
Kundao, have been built in weeks and are well hidden in valleys protected by
checkpoints and hillside command posts.

Hundreds of men are being drilled at each base. They are taught in brick and
mud barracks and sleep in canvas tents, despite extreme weather. Classroom
posters depict men with AK-47s, standing before burning American, Israeli
and Indian flags. Behind the bases, large boulders are painted with Urdu and
Arabic slogans: "Victory is at hand."

Those chosen to fight undergo a 21-day "foundation" course in light-weapon
training and a short period of khidmat duty, or administration work, in
their home towns before being cleared for transfer to the camps. Most have
come from Pakistan and Kashmir.
One teenager, given the name Khalid by the camp commandant, said: "After
prayers at dawn we must run up and down the mountains before breakfast.
Later we attend lectures on Islamic affairs and take part in practical
demonstrations in the use of artillery."

The new camps are part of a sophisticated network established by Bin Laden
in northern and eastern Afghanistan. Two other Al Qaida training camps have
opened in recent weeks. The Tora Bora base, near the eastern Afghan city of
Jalalabad, has been rebuilt on the site of a camp first constructed by the
American Central Intelligence Agency in the early 1980s. The second is
understood to have been built from scratch at Galrez, a town 30 miles west
of Kabul.

However, Bin Laden's most startling new asset is a command and control
centre for Al Qaida. It is still under construction in a natural cave system
in Kunduz province, near the border with Tajikistan. "The cave facilities
are impervious to missile attacks and satellite observation," an American
diplomat said.

Pakistan's Inter-Service

Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...

[Barb Witt]

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At 10:02 PM 12/19/98 -0500, Jerry Harp wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-

>
>Then, shazam, it was no longer a matter of sex or about lying.  It was a
>matter of lying under oath about sex!  Phew!  (see Barb Witts last post if
you
>doubt that this is the new party line.

For the sake of clarification, please note that my opinion, albeit shared
by many, is neither new, nor the line of any party.  BTW, watch that
stereotyping!   The claim that every nonmember of Cult Clinton is by
default a Republican is as silly as the notion that everyone who values
life is a fanatical, right wing fundamentalist.

Regards,

Barb
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Re: [CTRL] Perjury

[Gerald Harp]

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In a message dated 12/18/98 11:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>
>  Now why in the world would Paula Jones have gone up to that hotel
>  room in the first place? Was she flattered to be asked? Would she
>  have been more amenable to the assignation if he had been a bit
>  less "abrupt"? Hey, you never know.
>
>

My recollection on the reports when the story broke a few years ago was that
PJ had requested an appointment with Clinton, telling the state cop who
apparently arranged such matters that she wanted to let Clinton know that she
admired him and was available.  Clinton, like some dumb college student full
of himself, shocked her by exposing himself.  He had more attractive
alternatives and did not hesitate to alienate PJ in order to have a little
chuckle.

Jerry

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[CTRL] Fwd: President Clinton's Dark Side and the 25th Amendment

[RoadsEnd]

THE DARK SIDE OF PRESIDENT WILLIAM JEFFERESON CLINTON

DECEMBER 19, 1998

So far, four brave men have had the courage to tell the
world about the secret dark side of  President Clinton's
mind.

Dick Morris was the first to come forward and state that
Bill Clinton is  a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

The next to come forward was former Chief of Staff, Leon
Panetta. He stated that President Clinton has a "dark side".
His comments are included in the attached article.

Today, the BBC ran comments from former White House
Spokesman, Mike McCurry. McCurry said that he was
flabbergasted the he (Clinton) could be so reckless.
McCurry went on to say, he has "enormous doubts" about
President Clinton's fitness for office. The entire text of this
article is included at the end of this article.

The fourth person to come forward and question the
President's state of mind, is Tom Campbell, the  Republican
Representative from the San Jose area of California.
Campbell made his reference to the 25th amendment and
Clinton's incapacitation on the floor of the House just
shortly after Bob Livingston resigned.

There are now four men, in positions to know about the
President's state of mind, who have come forward and tried
to warn the American public.  Rumors in newsrooms
around the world are  discussing the President's mental
health. How much longer can the President remain in
office, and what kind of damage can he do before he is
removed?

It is time to end this partisan "blind loyalty" and stop
defending this man. Look beyond his "Democrat" label and
see what really lurks beneath that carefully crafted image
he presents to the camera. Do you remember how
handsome and charming serial killer Ted Bundy was? Stop
being mesmerized by Clinton's carefully crafted speeches
and gestures. Listen to what these four men have said!
These four men have everything to lose and nothing to gain
by making these comments about the President's state of
mind.

If you don't believe me, read the book his former best
friend Dick Morris wrote, "Behind the Oval Office" Or pull
up www.deardolly.com and read what Dolly Kyle
Browning,  is his childhood girlfriend who stayed with him
almost forty years.  Browning calls him a "sociopath who is
a sexual addict in denial."

After reading everything that is presented here, ask yourself
who controls the nuclear football. The "football" is the
briefcase that is carried everywhere the President goes. It
contains the launch codes for our nuclear arsenal. The
football stays near the President  24 hours a day, just in
case he has to launch a nuclear attack.

In the article written by RMNews yesterday titled, "The return of The Cold
War", RMNews quoted Russian officials who openly stated
they feared Clinton would direct the missiles at Russia next.

Everyday this man remains in office the world faces World
War III. Someone with  the proper authority  needs to have
the President examined by a psychiatrist. And then he must
be removed immediately using the 25th amendment!
++
Subj: Another Clinton Confidant refers to: "Clinton's
Dark Side"
Date: 03/27/98
Friday, March 27th

Leon Panetta Discusses Bimbo Patrol

In a carefully worded comment, former White House Chief
of Staff, Leon Panetta talked of knowing about the
President's "dark side" and never being able to leave him
alone with women.

Specifically, Panetta said that those who are part of his
White House staff, know that if a woman was to ask to ride
with him in a limousine, it was their job to see that she
didn't get in.

Further, Panetta went on to say that they were very careful
to monitor his late night guests. Of course, said Panetta, it
was impossible to monitor every private moment.

Panetta went on to say that they could not insure that his
"dark side" would not come out.

If the report of this is true, and I have not found it in print
yet, this will make the second high ranking Clinton official
to refer to Clinton's Dark side. On March 17th, former
Clinton longtime advisor, Dick Morris, referred to the
President's dark side, by saying that he was like a Dr. Jekyll
and Mr. Hyde.

Mr. Morris was on several other talk shows in subsequent
days using the same "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" comments.

In an article I wrote called, "Dick Morris Calls Clinton a
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", I predicted that the current White
House strategy is to paint his as a person with a multiple
personality disorder. This will keep him from being
impeached and will gain him national sympathy. He is
NOT a lecherous satyr, he is a sick man.

Using this logic, he can be removed using the 25th
amendment, and will be placed in a hospital, not a jail.
Within a few short years of treatment, he will be released
and go on his merry way.

I said, if it is true that the White House was planning on
using this strategy, then we would soon start seeing clips of
the President acting out of character. The first of these clips
occurred the first day of 

Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

[Teo1000]

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In a message dated 12/19/98 1:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< the only difference between the republicrats and the democans is that the
 republicrats can afford to make sure that those whose silence have been
 bought, stay bought. they keep that power because they have and continue
 to rob the country blind. you are being just a little narrow, jumping on
 the 'hang clinton' bandwagon. i expected more from you teo. the whole
 damned system needs to be hanged. i, for one, would not rub elbows with
 republicrat scum, no matter what clinton did. and not that i am
 particularly for clinton either. if history does him any justice; bush
 will go down on history as one of the biggest criminal assholes to ever
 walk this planet, a free man. and there are plenty more like him. i want
 to see clinton hanged for his crimes but hang him for the real thing, not
 this made up, so-called case against him. and while we are at it, let's
 hang the whole system wherein the real criminals are not in jail but
 running and ruining, our lives from wash. dc.

 hang em all

 chris
  >>
Why expect more from me?  I agree with you wholeheartedly.  But it is unlikely
that we will get him for the big stuff so I say get him for what we can.  As
for there being plenty more of the republicans who are assholes and rich,
absolutely but nowhere do I say we should cozy up to them.  I think they are
all a bunch of assholes and I totally agree with you that it is the SYSTEM as
it operates (not as it was designed, perhaps) that needs to be changed.  Hang
them all?  Yes, absolutely!  I am NOT a republican, and DO NOT support
anything they do any more than I support anything the democrats do.  You are
right about one other thing too, when the republican fat cats pay you off you
stay bought or you die.  Simple equation.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Fwd: The Spotlight's Clinton (et al) Crime List

[JYester]

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NEWS BUREAU

SPOTLIGHT ON THE NEWS







Clinton and His Cronies





Here is an incomplete list of the crimes of the Clintons. As a weekly
publication, we try to update it, but the White House is adding to the list
faster than we can publish. For reasons of brevity, titles of individuals are
omitted and allegations are listed in summary style only. Each allegation has
been described in detail over the past few years.

Bill Clinton

•Allegedly conspired with his Bilderberg sponsor, Vernon Jordan, to obstruct
justice by encouraging former White House intern Monica Lewinsky to lie to
Paula Jones’ attorney before Miss Lewinsky was deposed in the Paula Jones
sexual harassment case against Clinton. Miss Lewinsky claims she had a sexual
affair with the president. If Miss Lewinsky is correct, the president is
guilty of obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

• Sold access of the White House and top aides to foreign representatives
through a fundraising scheme.

• Conspired with David Hale and Jim McDougal to defraud the Small Business
Administration of $300,000.

• Used Arkansas state police for personal purposes.

• Abused his position as governor to extort sexual favors from employees, in
some cases amounting to coercive rape.

• Directed state police to fabricate incriminating evidence against political
opponents including Steve Clark, Terry Reed and Larry Nichols.

• Knew about drug importation and distribution by a friend and campaign
contributor Dan Lasater.

• Allowed drug money to be laundered through a state agency—ADFA.

• Appointed and protected Arkansas medical examiner Fahmy Malak, an
incompetent who repeatedly obstructed justice by declaring politically
motivated murders to be "suicides" or "accidents."

• Has never accounted for his actions during 40 days he spent behind the Iron
Curtain during the Vietnam War.

• Tipped off Gov. Jim Guy Tucker (D) about an upcoming criminal referral.

• Violated Arkansas campaign finance laws.

• Violated the Constitution by signing into law an ex post facto law, a
retroactive tax increase.

• Fired RTC chief Albert Casey to allow his friend Roger Altman to monitor and
block Whitewater investigations.

• Fired FBI director William Sessions to prevent an autonomous FBI from
investigating the suicide of Vince Foster and other scandals.

• Offered state troopers federal jobs in return for their silence about
Clinton’s crimes.

• Blocked Justice Department indictments after Inspector General Sherman Funk
found "criminal violations of the Privacy Act provable beyond reasonable
doubt" when former Bush employee files were searched and leaked to the press.

• Appointed friend and felon Webster Hubbell to the No. 3 position at the
Justice Department in order to be able to block Whitewater criminal referrals
by RTC investigator L. Jean Lewis.

• Blocked the criminal trial of Rep. Harold E. Ford (D-Tenn.).

• Appointed a campaign activist to head the Commodity Futures Trading
Commission, without the mandated "advice and consent" of the Senate, to derail
a probe of his and Hillary’s financial dealings.

• Committed witness tampering by causing bribes to be paid to Webster Hubbell.

• Committed witness tampering by causing a job with the NSC to be offered to
former Arkansas Trooper L.D. Brown in return for Brown’s silence on several
Clinton crimes.

• Blocked Justice Department prosecution of Arthur Coia, a union Mob puppet
and a heavy Clinton financial donor.

• Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.

Bill Clinton is under investigation by a federally-appointed independent
counsel and Congress. Chances that he will ever face justice are admittedly
slim to none.

Al Gore

• Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property, which is a
felony.

• Participated in an illegal fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple where
campaign contributions were laundered through Buddhist nuns.

Al Gore is under investigation by Congress. There is a faint possibility the
Clintons might sacrifice Gore in the same manner that Richard Nixon threw
Spiro Agnew to the wolves to try and get the howling pack off his tail. But
recent revelations against the Clintons have increased Gore’s stock in
Washington considerably.

Hillary Clinton

• Accepted a $100,000 bribe, laundered through cattle futures, from Tyson
Foods Inc.

• Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative
reform of same.

• Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in the
Health Care Task Force trial.

• Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were
the target of a court probe.

• Obstructed justice by ordering the removal and shredding of her lover Vince
Foster’s documents on the night of his death.

• Hired hoodlum Craig Livingstone to conduct a p

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In a message dated 12/19/98 1:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Roads End
writes:

<<  I say Mr. Bush is farther-up the puppet-master line. Clinton is more patsy
than president, MHO. The impeachment proceedings are very destructive to our
body politic/republic, that is why it is being proceeded along partisan lines.
The federal government, excepting the few mavericks, has been highly corrupt
for years and our idealism is used against us.

 Now, don't get me wrong. I do not care for Clinton, voted third party, but
this 'dumbing down' of presidential impeachment and orchestrated scandal is
downright funky and is not in the republic best interest.

 Clinton is much more captive, gee, do you think that anyone might have any
blackmailable info on Billy-boy? Let us get real , get beyond our own partisan
viewpoint and stand back to see the 'big picture'.

 Partisan impeachment is divisive on its face; Disgusting in  its wake and
destructive for our institutions.

 Om >>

Well said, and I might agree with you but it is a purely political thing
anyway, outside of our efforts to change it.  The House will vote for
impeachment and pass the ball to the Senate where everyone knows they don't
have enough votes to put him out, they are all trying to cover each other's
asses.  Now as to Bush still being ringleader, I find that completely possible
in an overarching non-direct way, but he must be out of the loop in some of
what Clinton does in order for my theories about Clinton and China to be true.
He will not be removed, so it is really a moot point.  Clinton is a patsy in
some ways but all too knowledgeable and accountable in other ways.
I disagree that a constitutional process could be bad for the republic.  Maybe
some other, better good will come of it if it indeed forces out other issues
of more immediate concern and brings down a lot of the goon republicans and
not a few other democrats in office as well.
I'm flexible, but as I say the political process is already in place to try
and save everyone's bacon so it is unlikely that this will lead anywhere.  One
point I will grant in considering this just now, if the process continues it
could lead to more needless deaths when Clinton decides to attack East
Hicksburg because they are a "security threat" to the US, in another wag the
dog scenario.
Teo1000

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> I have personally corresponded with Archduke Otto von Habsburg. What makes
> you think that the Vatican supports a monarchist restoration of the Holy
> Roman Empire with the Habsburgs at the head?

They may not.

However, the Hieron du Val d'Or (perhaps named for Levaldieu), which seems
to have preceded the PoS in the 19th century, did.

"According to M. Chaumeil, the objectives of the HDVd'O were: 'a theocracy
wherein nations would be no more than provinces, their leaders but
proconsuls in the service of a world occult government consisting of an
elite. For Europe, the region of the Great King implied a double hegemony
of the Papacy and the Empire, of the Vatican and of the Hapsburgs, who
would have been the Vatican's right arm." (HBHG, p. 198)

Now - this has always left me scratching my head.

All of the Prieure documents proclaim that the Vatican betrayed the
Merovingians in favor of the Carolingians, and that the Vatican's power to
create kings (as they did with Charlemagne when they crowned him Holy Roman
Emperor) was a false power based on a forged document, the Donation of
Constantine.

Why would would the descendants of the Merovingians, then, trust the
Vatican further then they could throw it, let alone once again make it a
co-partner in an institution which they considered based on a false
foundation (the Holy Roman Empire)? The answer is they wouldn't unless they
controlled it.

I keep wondering how any of this makes sense, unless part of the Priory's
("P1"'s) agenda is to take control of the Vatican also, and turn it from
ROMA to AMOR as it were, back from the Roman Church of Peter to the Gnostic
Church of John. Which is why I might agree with Queri that Pope John XXIII
was a PoS member, and why "P2" Lodge may have made infiltration of Masons
into the Vatican (despite Pope Clement's ban of 1738) such a key goal.

If they controlled both the Vatican and one or more European thrones, it
would be the return of the original Zadokite Messianic pattern - twin
Messiahs, secular and sacerdotal, priestly and kingly, spiritual and
temporal.

Yours,

Steve Mizrach   [aka Seeker1]
TechnoCulturalist, CyberAnthropologist, HyperMediac, AnthroFuturist
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[CTRL] [5] Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry

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an excerpt from:
Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French
Freemasonry
John Daniel (C)1994
John Kregel, Inc.
 P. O.  Box 131480
Tyler, Texas 75713
ISBN 0-9635079-0-7
-
can be purchased from:
Global insights
675 Fairview Dr. #246
Carson City, NV 89701
702-885-0700
800-729-4131(orders only)
-
As, always Caveat leactor
Om
K
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Chapter 15

FREEMASONRY AND THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT

There existed...ln antiquity the great time clock in the night sky, which we
still share with our ancestors. This is the zodiac, a great turning wheel of
twelve constellations making a complete circle every 25,920 years but with
each of its twelve constellations in order having ascendancy over the skies of
earth approximately every 2,160 years.
According to zodiacal tradition the ascendency of each new sign every
2,000-odd years is accompanied by catastrophic or otherwise crucial events on
the earth.(1)

What Is the New Age?

As the zodiacal wheel turns to the constellation of Aquarius, astrologers are
studying the stars, predicting that a major event will soon occur, which will
bring in their World Teacher. From the "New Era" of Emmanuel Swedenborg (1757)
until today, the Masonic world has been poised for the coming of the "New
Age." In fact, the title of the Scottish Rite monthly magazine, New Age, has
been suggesting this for over a century.(2)
"Masonry and the Impending New Era," an article in New Age, July 1941 (five
months before America entered the Second World War), spoke of the "world
government" expected to be established at the conclusion of the war to help
usher in a "newer phase of evolutionary progress."(3) In April 1943 the New
Age reported that "the struggle for the freedom of man began with the American
and French Revolutions, and World War II is the climax of a world ideological
struggle which started at the end of the 18th Century. It is the struggle of
the New Age against the Middle Age."(4)
The phrase "Middle Age," as used in the text above, is Masonic jargon for
Christianity. Webster's Dictionary defines the Middle Ages as "the period of
European history from about A.D. 500 to about 1500," -- the same period of
time the Catholic Church dominated European politics. We can readily decode
the Masonic lingo above and accurately name the enemy against which Masons
struggle: "It is the struggle of the New Age against the age of Christianity."
Although Masonry's "New Age" dates from the end of the 18th century, the
motives of the modern New Age Movement were not manifest until the end of the
nineteenth century, when in 1889 the Luciferian Doctrine of Palladism was
introduced to the twenty-three Supreme Councils of the world. Before this date
the general body of English Masons, including most of the Supreme Council,
were not Luciferians, but deists.

Atheists, Spiritists and Luciferian

Three significant events prior to the 1889 Masonic Congress prepared English
Freemasonry to accept Lucifer as god. First, in 1877, the existence of God was
debated between the atheistic French Grand Orient and the deistic French Grand
Lodge. The Grand Orient had replaced the Great Architect of the Universe with
the slogan “To the Glory of Humanity," declaring "God is deadl"(5)
The second event followed that same year when the English Grand Lodge, which
requires a belief in deity, broke fellowship with all Grand Orient bodies
throughout the world.
The third event, that of founding of the Quatuor Coronati Lodge of Masonic
Research in London, England, actually had its roots in the 1860s, but did not
become a reality until three years before the 1889 International Masonic
Congress. In 1860, Great Britain had just concluded her second Opium War
against China when English Freemasonry, in search of her roots, decided to
launch a massive investigation of Oriental mystery religions. As a result,
Masons in various parts of the British Empire wrote numerous occult books,
many of which were repetitive. To avoid further duplication, Freemason Sir
Walter Besant, brother of socialist and theosophist Annie Besant, began a
drive in the early 1870s to organize a Masonic research lodge to catalog the
data. In 1886 the Quatuor Coronati Lodge of Masonic Research, No. 2076,
London, England, was founded. Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry states that
the Quatuor Coronati "has long since become the supreme court of learning and
authority in Masonic scholarship throughout the world.”(6)
The constitution of this Mother Research Lodge stipulated that forty of  the
most prestigious Masons in England be members, one of whom must always be high
up in the Anglican Church. When any "Member of Forty" died, the thirty-nine
remaining voted on his replacement. Sir Walter Besant was one of the original
"Members of Forty."
In 1887 a Correspondence Circle was attached to the lodge. Any Mason of
literary, archaeological, or investigative talent could join the Circle.
Within a decade the Circle had printed the Ars Quatu

[CTRL] CTRL(V3,C3)Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry,Vol. 3

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an excerpt from:
Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French
Freemasonry,Vol. 3
John Daniel (C)1994
John Kregel, Inc.
 P. O.  box 131480
Tyler, Texas 75713
ISBN 0-9635079-0-7
-
can be purchased from:
Global insights
675 Fairview Dr. #246
Carson City, NV 89701
702-885-0700
800-729-4131(orders only)
-
The author most definitly has his worldview, but it does present some
interesting material.  Where are the Jesuits and others, while all this is
going on? The Author also gives the devil more credit than he is due,IMHO and
some of the connections are ...; but all in all it is interesting.

As, always Caveat lector

Om
K
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ENGLISH FREEMASONRY'S SECRET AGENDA FOR POLITICAL CONTROL OF AMERICA

[The day] I [became] a member in the Masonic order, I [saw] the wealth and
power they possess, the influence they hold. I think over their ceremonies and
I wonder [how] a large body of men can devote themselves to what at times
appear the most ridiculous and absurd rites without an object and without an
end.

Why should we not form a secret society with but one object—the furtherance of
the British Empire and the bringing of the whole uncivilized world under
British rule, for the recovery of the United States, [and] for...making the
Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire?

Freemason Cecil Rhodes(1)

The once powerful British Empire, on which the sun never set, was on the wane
following the loss of its American colonies. Anything said about world
government emanated from Paris, not London. Throughout most of the nineteenth
century, French Freemasonry, and not English Freemasonry, appeared to be the
dominant revolutionary force in the Old World—offering the lower and middle
classes a voice in government.

English Freemasonry was partially to blame for the decline of the British
empire. Since its beginning in 1717, the British Brotherhood was aristocratic,
capitalistic, and monopolistic. Prior to the Victorian era of the nineteenth
century, upper class income came from ground rent, banking and trade. A middle
class hardly existed in England in those days. The uneducated lower class had
little chance of economic or social improvement.

The right-wing aristocracy of Great Britain, who were wrapped up in English
Freemasonry, were called "British race patriots" by their Grand Orient left-
wing opponents. British race patriots believed that the British race was at a
higher evolutionary level than other races. When French Grand Orient
Freemasonry sent a German-born Mason, Karl Marx (1818-1883), to England to
agitate the lower classes to rebel against the aristocracy, the British race
patriots at least became concerned about the political ascendancy which French
Freemasonry had enjoyed for the last hundred years. To counter the
increasingly influential ideology of French Freemasonry, in 1870 a select
group of English Masons devised a plan which would both satisfy the
proletariat and keep the Masonic oligarchy in power. The scheme was introduced
at Christ Church, Oxford, by Freemason John Ruskin.
John Ruskin (1819-1900), writer, critic, artist, and British race patriot, was
born of wealthy but strict parents. Ruskin had received his formal education
at Christ Church College, Oxford University. A course on Plato's Republic had
been his favorite. Ruskin's inspiration and devotion to the creation of an
elite of race patriots derived directly from Plato's Republic, which he read
almost daily. In the Republic, Plato called for "a ruling class with a
powerful army to keep it in power and a society completely subordinate to the
monolithic authority of the rulers."(2) Ruskin's studies of ancient political
philosophers taught him that the most effective way to conquer a man is to
capture his mind. Realizing that a century earlier French Masons had captured
the working man's mind through revolutionary propaganda, Ruskin set out to
recoup and extend the influence of British Masonry. He wanted to do this by
the education of the working man.
In 1870, Ruskin was asked to return to Oxford to hold a chair in the fine
arts. His inaugural lecture, which set forth his views on the ruling class as
developed from Plato's Republic, sent shock waves through Oxford. The
undergraduates to whom Ruskin spoke were the scions of the British
aristocracy. They listened with awe at Ruskin's message, of which a portion
follows:

[You, the undergraduates are] the possessors of a magnificent tradition of
education, beauty, rule of law, freedom, decency, and self-discipline
but...this tradition [can] not be saved, and [does] not deserve to be saved,
unless it [can] be extended to the lower classes in England itself and to the
non-English masses throughout the world. If this precious tradition [is] not
extended to these two great majorities, the minority of upper-class Englishmen
[will] ultimately be submerged by these majorities and the tradition lost. To
prevent this, the tradition must be extended to the masses and

[CTRL] [V3C2]Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry,Vol 3

[RoadsEnd]

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an excerpt from:
Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French
Freemasonry,Vol 3
John Daniel (C)1994
John Kregel, Inc.
 P. O.  box 131480
Tyler, Texas 75713
ISBN 0-9635079-0-7
-
can be purchased from:
Global insights
675 Fairview Dr. #246
Carson City, NV 89701
702-885-0700
800-729-4131(orders only)
-
The author most definitly has his worldview, but it does present some
interesting material.  Where are the Jesuits and others, while all this is
going on? The Author also gives the devil more credit than he is due,IMHO and
some of the connections are ...; but all in all it is interesting.

As, always Caveat lector

Om
K


2

MODERN  MYSTERY BABYLON AND DRUGS

The Chinese Opium Wars: A Blueprint for America

As long as this country maintains its drug traffic, there is not the slightest
possibility that it will ever become a military threat, since the habit saps
the vitality of the nation.(1)

So spoke a leading drug trafficker in a letter to his superiors. Although the
trafficker could well have been describing America, he is not referring to the
United States, but to China in 1838, on the eve of the first Opium War when
Great Britain landed troops to compel Chinese to ingest the poison distributed
by British merchants.

Four years later in 1842, Great Britain's army of ten thousand soldiers had
won a victory over 350 million Chinese.(2) London's military success against
the Chinese was not due to superior military advantage, but to its strategy
between 1830-1839 of decimating the Chinese army through drug addiction.

This famous cartoon, reproduced here, dates back to the 1839 Opium War, and
shows a British military man shoving opium down the throat of a Chinaman.(3)

British Merchants of the Earth

The vehicle by which London shipped her drugs to China and elsewhere around
the world was founded in 1600. Capriciously called "Dope, Inc.," the British
East India Company (BEIC) was incorporated by royal charter on December 31,
1600, under the name "Governor and Company of Merchants of London trading with
the East Indies." Begun as a monopolistic trading body, the BEIC became
involved in politics and acted as an agent of British imperialism in India
starting in the mid-eighteenth century (4)
>From its earliest years, the British East India Company was involved in
Masonic revolutions, specifically Oliver Cromwell's Rosicrucian-Masonic
insurrection against the Stuart monarchy.(5) At first Cromwell dissolved all
crown-protected monopolies, but finding his protectorate short of capital, he
granted the BEIC a new charter in October of 1657 in return for financial
aid.(6)

The BEIC was not just another monopoly, but a Masonic monopoly. According to
Dr. John Coleman, a former British intelligence officer. "to operate a trading
company within the BEIC, the merchant must first be a Freemason or an initiate
in one of its adjunct orders; and second, he must be given permission to join
by the BEIC stockholders. "(7 )Initially the BEIC received tea, spices, and
silks from the Orient in return for fabrics manufactured from cotton grown on
the southern plantations in the newly colonized Americas. As the ships sailed
on their return from the Orient, they dropped anchor off the coast of Africa
to board captured blacks who they would sell as slaves to work the cotton
fields on the east coast of America. The use of slave labor enabled BEIC
stockholders to maintain low overhead in their cotton production. Merchant
families and plantation owners rapidly accumulated great wealth.

Prior to the American Civil War, the same British trading companies behind the
slave trade in the South were running large numbers of Chinese indentured
servants to the West Coast. This was called the "coolie trade" or "pig trade"
by its British Hong Kong and Shanghai sponsors.(8) The term "Shanghaied" has
its origin in kidnapping drug-addicted Chinese, who were boarded on BEIC ships
at the port of Shanghai, and then shipped to the west coast of the United
States of America to be sold as indentured servants. These Chinese were the
first buyers in the BEIC drug market in the western hemisphere, and as addicts
they simultaneously served as the initial means for trafficking in America.

The only competition the BEIC faced was from other nations such as France and
the Netherlands, which also formed East India companies. The Dutch were unable
to compete with the British and eventually gave England their trade rights to
India. This gave the BEIC exclusive control of the entire opium trade in
India, whose farmers produced the largest drug crop in the world. Through a
strong advertising program, the BEIC encouraged the sale of tea while rapidly
and energetically expanding its spice trade Expanding revenues from tea made
it possible for the English to colonize India, the garden spot of the world
for poppy. Poppy juice, called opium, was extracted from the poppy and
transported to China by the BEIC. It was this d

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The Age [Sydney, Australia] Saturday 19 December 1998
http://www.theage.c
om.au/daily/981219/news/news8.html

US FACES GROWINGWAVE OF PROTEST
By JONATHAN STEELE and TOM WHITEHOUSE

LONDON, FRIDAY

A growing chorus of world opinion moved against the United States
missile
attacks on Iraq yesterday, with countries such as Italy, India, Sweden
and
South Africa joining the criticism voiced by three permanent members of
the
UN Security Council, France, Russia, and China.  The Vatican said the
air
strikes marked ``a sad day for the United Nations and for the world''.

The Chinese President, Mr Jiang Zemin, called on the US and Britain to
end
air strikes and allow negotiations to end the crisis, state television
said.

France blamed President Saddam Hussein for provoking the crisis but
failed to
support the attacks.

The French Foreign Minister, Mr Hubert Vedrine, defended France's
position
that a diplomatic solution should be sought to stand-offs with Iraq,
saying: "France deplores the spiral of events that led to the American
military strikes and the grave human consequences they could have on the
Iraqi population. But Saddam Hussein is the person who bears the main
responsibility for the conflict.''

The French President, Mr Jacques Chirac, began diplomatic efforts to try
to
end the conflict, and said that ``the crucial thing will be to solve
problems which will not be solved by air strikes''. Mr Chirac said he
had
talked with the US President, Mr Bill Clinton, the UN Secretary-General,
Mr
Kofi Annan, the Egyptian President, Mr Hosni Mubarak, and other leaders
to
try to build a coalition to end the military strikes.

The French position in this crisis once again balanced the alliance with
America, the itch for independence and self-interested aims in the
Middle
East.  France was Iraq's biggest Western arms supplier in the 1970s and
1980s and, while it fought alongside the United States in the Gulf War,
it
has opposed military action against Iraq since then.

Among bigger nations, Germany, Japan, Canada and Australia strongly
supported the bombing.

India said the strikes undermined the authority of the Security Council
and
called for an immediate halt to raids. "This attack raises serious
questions regarding the functioning of the collective and consultative
procedures of the UN Security Council,'' the Prime Minister, Mr Atal
Behari
Vajpayee, told  Parliament.

Italy said it would ask the US and Britain to halt attacks and let the
United Nations deal with the crisis.

South Africa said military force would not solve the conflict between UN
weapons inspectors and Baghdad.

Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Mr Sartaj Aziz, called the strikes ``a
deplorable act''.

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Dear fellow campaigners of the world fighting for the better world.

A team of researchers at Kyeonghee University Hospital's Infertility
Clinic in Korea announced Monday(14. Dec.) that it succeeded in a
human cloning test. And, Korean Federation for Environmental
Movement(KFEM) released a statement criticizing the reckless
experiment on the same day.  Today(15. Dec) KFEM and other civic and
environmental organizations of Korea held a protesting campaign in
front of Kyeonghee University Hospital.

I would like to let you know this news and would like to get some
advice on fighting against the stupid scientists.

Could you please visit homepages of Ministry of Science and Technology
(http://www.most.go.kr/), Ministry of Health and
Welfare(http://www.mohw.go.kr) and Kyeonghee University
Hospital(http://www.khmc.or.kr/), and express your concerns about
human cloning?

In Korea, there is no regulation on cloning, now.  KFEM and some other
NGOs are going to ask the government to make a law on biosafety and
bioethics. It would be much helpful if you can give me some advice.

Thank You.


The following is an article from a Korean Newspaper, Chosun-Ilbo
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Human Cloning Test Succeeds

The Chosun-Ilbo,  15. Dec. 1998

A team of researchers at Kyeonghee University Hospital's Infertility
Clinic announced Monday that it succeeded in a human cloning test in
which they transplanted an ovum with a replaced cell nucleus.
Researchers Kim Seung-bo and Lee Bo-yeon removed the nucleus of an
ovum from a woman in her thirties, and replaced it with a somatic
cell(2n) and saw the ovum successfully reach cell division and
segmentation.


According to a report issued by Kim and Lee, "we were able to confirm
division up to the fourth cell stage, the stage of embryo development
when a test tube embryo is usually placed back in the uterus, where it
then further develops into a fetus." This is the second time a human
cell has been cloned, following a team of Scottish researchers who
first cloned a live animal, 'Dolly' a sheep.


Kim and Lee assert that they performed the experiment for research
purposes only, and had no intentions of actually cloning a human baby
"because it is inconsistent with ethical regulations to transfer a
cloned embryo into a human uterus." Nevertheless, the team's claims
are expected to heat up the ethical debate surrounding genetic
engineering in Korea.

(Kim Chang-ki, [EMAIL PROTECTED])=20






Civic Groups Protest 'Human' Cloning

The Chosun-Ilbo,  16. Dec. 1998

Members of the 'Life Safety Ethics Association' held a demonstration
Tuesday in front of Kyonghee University calling for a halt to
experiments on human cloning. The association, composed of members of
various civic groups including Green Korea, were reacting to an
announcement from a research team Monday that they had successfully
cloned a human fetus by nuclear transplant and had let it grow to
segmentation stage.


Professor Lee Bo-yon, head of the research team said that the
experiment was not designed to clone human beings but an ongoing
series to clone specific organs for transplant.


Representative Lee Sang-hee of the Grand National Party (GNP) called
for the speeding up of the passage of the life science bill that
governs research in this area. The draft has been stuck at the
committee stage since December 7.


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In this story is one of the raison d' etre of this list. What I call 'reading
the river.' Eugene Dinkins called it "exercise[s] in 'psychological sets.'"
Om
K
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The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins
by Robert Mitchell

  The amazing facts contained in the follow-
ing F.B.l. document, which we are reprinting
in full, are true. Dinkin's story has been
verified through the existence of cablegrams
between the C.l.A.'s Geneva and
Washington offices. both before and after
the Kennedy assassination. Careful examina-
tion of those cablegrams, as well as other
documents. reveal that the C.I.A. actively
tried to coverup the fact that prior to
November 22, 1963 PFC Dinkin was at-
tempting to reveal the existence of a plot to
assassinate Kennedy. The cablegrams also,
reveal that efforts were made to silence
Dinkin and suppress the story.

  Following the assassination, published
reports revealed that someone had advance
information of the assassination. and the
Warren Commission requested to be fur-
nished documents relative to the allegation.

In a secret memo to J. Lee Rankin, Chief
Council of the Warren Commission, C.I.A.
Deputy Director Richard Helms states "Im-
mediately AFTER the assassination (our
source in) Geneva, Switzerland reported
allegations concerning a plot to assassinate
President Kennedy were made by PFC
Eugene Dinkin, U.S. Army, on 6 and 7
November. 1963." But Helms appeared to
be withholding the fact that the Agency had
knowledge of Dinkin's allegations prior to
the assassination.

One of the cablegrams, titled "IN CABLE
No. 56631," dated November 7 1963.
reported on Dinkin's background and allega-
tions of a plot. At the end of the cable,
Geneva asked: "DIRECTOR: Advise any ac-
tion desired. will continue to monitor
developments via army attache, F.B.l,
Geneva contacts, but will not become involv-
ed visavis Swiss unless so directed." Thus. the
C.I. A.. and others in the intelligence communi-
ty had full knowledge of Dinkin's assertions.
prior to the assassination.

 Evidence abounds that the cables were
weighted with subliminal suggestions, design-
ed to give a predisposition to the notion that
PFC Dinkin was mentally unstable. For exam-
ple, cablegrams tend to be written in short.
choppy sentences. often including abbrevia-
tions. omitting articles, and avoiding adjec-
tives. However. when Dinkin is referred to,
adjectives are freely added, intending to imp-
ly that Dinkin was a crackpot. "IN CABLE
56631" dated November 16. 1963 refers to
Dinkin's "Wild but amazing coincidence. . . "
and states that Dinkin ". . . had given his wild
story in Souisee"(Switzerland). Later, it
states that a Time-Life stringer
". . . RECOLLECTED. OR THOUGHT
SHE RECOLLECTED TALE TOLD BY
SUBJ." This wording subtly-throws a shadow
of doubt on the corroborating reporter.
Dinkin is further referred to as "unbalanced"
on two separate occasions in this one, short
 cable.

 Evidence that the C.I.A. tried to suppress
the story and keep it from coming to the at-
tention of the Secret Service, also, emerges.
In early cable communications, pertinent
facts are conspicuously absent, thus carefully
suppressed. Coupled with evidence that the
cables were weighted in an obvious attempt
to discredit Dinkin indicates that the C. I. A.
was trying to cover up the matter prior to
the Kennedy assassination in an effort to
silence the many who were attempting to
expose the plot But for the two journalists
in Geneva. the story might never have sur-
faced.

 The shocking tale of what happened to
Eugene Dinkin following his revelations has
finally come to light It includes frame up.
false arrest and imprisonment. unlawful
medical treatment. and medical malpractice.
Dinkin has also suffered libel and
misrepresentation at the hands of the
Government.

  Mr. Eugene B. Dinkin, 534 West Oakdale,
Chicago. Illinois, advised that he had been
recently discharged from the United States
Army after having been in detention for four
months while undergoing psychiatric tests.
 Dinkin advised that while stationed in
Europe with the U.S. Army in 1963. he had
begun a review of several newspapers in-
cluding the Stars and Stripes as an exercise
in "psychological sets." He explained that he
had taken courses in psychology at college
and was extremely interested in this subject
matter. He advised that "psychological sets''
was a term referring to a series of events, ar-
ticles, etcetera which, when coupled
together, set up or induce a certain frame of
mind on the part of a person being exposed
to the series. He stated that this method of
implanting an idea was much in use by the
"Madison Avenue" advertising people who
attempted to influence one who was expos-
ed to these "psychological sets" to "buy"
the product being advertised, whether this
produce was physical or an idea.

 Dinkin stated that while so reviewing the
newspapers for "psychological sets" he
discovered that Stars and Stripes, as well
as certain unidentified Hearst newspapers,
we

[CTRL] [2] George Bush, Skull & Bones and the New World Order

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--[2]--
If the Skull & Bonesmen needed a legitimate justification for reviving their
ever-present dislike of the East European Ashkenazic Jews, the Wall Street
Zionists who became known as the so-called "New Crowd" provided them with all
the excuses necessary. When Jonathan Jay Pollard, a Naval intelligence
analyst, was arrested in November 1985 and charged with spying for Israel
against the United States, there was a resurgence of more unabashed
antisemitism among the Bonesmen and their blueblood upperclass mates. It has
since become a hallmark of the Bush White House. Even when practiealc
political affairs have demanded that the Bush administration deal with the
American Zionist lobby or the right-wing Shamir government of Israel, there
has been a distinctive undertone of distrust bordering on overt hostility.


BUSH IN PROFILE

  Unlike Averell Harriman, who reportedly coveted personal political power
and drew sharp criticism from some of his fellow Bonesmen, George Bush has
been a long-term "project" of Skull & Bones. The Bush presidency in real and
symbolic terms represents the-effort by the Order to restore the lost spirit
of the WASP warrior Henry Stimson. With the passage of time and the decay of
the WASP elite, the Bush presidency may yet prove to be a tragic replay of
past American dreams.

  George Bush's career was sponsored every step of the way by Skull &
Bones members, mostly of his father's generation. Prescott Bush (Skull & Bones
Class of 1917), a Brown Brothers Harriman partner who would serve one term in
Congress as senator from Connecticut, sent George to the traditional private
preparatory school, Phillips Academy in Andover, New Hampshire, which grooms
young New England squires for later studies at Yale.

  It was while finishing his prep school training at Andover that Bush was
first exposed to Henry Stimson. Reportedly, Stimson delivered a stirring
patriotic speech to the Phillips student body in l940 arguing forcefully for
American intervention in the war in Europe. Ironically, at that very moment on
the Yale campus, the majority of Skull & Bonesmen were leading the Ameriea
First movement, which opposed any such U.S. entanglement in Europe.

  When war with Japan broke out a year later, George Bush enlisted in the
Navy and was trained as a pilot. He flew more than 50 missions before being
shot down in the Pacific. At Yale after the war, Bush captained the baseball
team and followed his father's footsteps into the Order.

  Political legends have it that George Bush shunned his family's
patronage and went off on his own to launch a business career as an oil
wildcatter, or speculator, in Texas. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Bush moved to Texas to work for Dresser Industries selling oil drilling
equipment. The job was arranged for him by his father with Dresser president
Neil Mallon, who was a fellow member of Skull Bones. Desser, according to
several sources, had close ties with the CIA.

  After a few years with Dresser, George Bush set up his own company,
Zapata Oil, to explore new oil fields in Texas and Mexico. Again, Bush was
heavily backed by member of his family. Uncle George Herbert Walker, also a
Skull & Bonesman, put up a large amount of capital, as did Brown Brothers
Harriman. Lazard Brothers, a Jewish brokerage house with longstanding friendly
ties to the New England WASPs, put up some money as well, at the urging of
Andre Meyer, the owner of the Washingtor. Post Corporation and the father of
the current Post publisher Kathanne Graham. Zapata Oil sunk the first offshore
well for the Kuwaiti government.

  Even with that kind of backing, George Bush was less than a success as a
businessman. In 1964, a longtime Bush friend, William Farrish III of Scotland,
bought the majority of shares in Zapata for $3.2 million to keep the business
afloat, while George, in a major career shift, ran for U.S. Congress from a
wealthy district in Houston, Texas. He won.

  During his three terms in Congress (Bush lost the 1970 Senate race to
Lloyd Bentsen), George Bush distinguished himself as an advocate of zero
population growth and a defender of the eugenics movement. Both of these
positions, radical for their day, were probably the result of Bush's close
friendship with William Draper Jr.—a fellow Bonesman and a longtime advocate
of population reduction schemes in the Third World.

  The 1970s were for George Bush years of grooming in high-level politics
and foreign policy. During the Nixon re-election campaign of 1972, George Bush
was the chairman of the Republican National Committee. He later joined the
chorus calling for Nixon's resignation. After a tour as the U.S. Ambassador to
the United Nations, Bush was sent off to Communist China as the Chief Liaison
Officer prior to the formalization of diplomatic relations. Bush shared the
Beijing experience with Winston Lord, a fellow Skull & B

[CTRL] [1] George Bush, Skull & Bones and the New World Order

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The Boodle Boys.
Om
K

   George Bush,
  Skull & Bones
and the New World Order





  Paul Goldstein
Jeffrey Steinberg

 George Bush,
 Skull & Bones
and the New World Order

   A
 NEW AMERICAN VIEW—
INTERNATIONAL EDITION
 WHITE PAPER

April 1991

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Introduction .,
.ii
The Order of Skull & Bones...2
Initiation and Ritual..7
The Spartan Model ...10
Henry Stimson: Master Bonesman.13
Stimson's Kindergarten and the Cold War16
Vietnam:The Bonesmen's Debacle 19
Bush in Profile.23
The Order's Network25
The New World Order...28
The Persian Gulf War...31
Implications for Japan 34
* *
Bibliography38
Some Prominent Members.39
Selected Quotations..43
Photographs..4
7

 INTRODUCTION


  This special report is intended to assist the Japanese audience in more
fully understanding the present policies of the United States under the
administration of President George Bush. It explains the thinking behind
America's military adventure in the Persian Gulf and its current attitudes
toward the Middle East region.

  In so doing, we provide a glimpse into the most powerful organization in
America—the Order of Skull & Bones. This secret fraternity is based at Yale
University in New Haven, Connecticut, where many of the leading members of the
U.S. govemment and the American intelligence community received their formal
education. The Order, as it is referred to by its members, is a bastion of
White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) culture, which is at the core of the
American 20th century outlook.

  The reader will learn that President George Herbert Walker Bush's
concept of the New World Order is an old idea, one which has its origins in
the philosophy and beliefs of the secret Skull & Bones fraternity. Today in
particular, this is the prevailing outlook of the U.S. government, many of
whose most influential members, like the president himself, are part of the
Skull & Bones network. These men seek to recreate the American imperium of the
immediate post-World War II period, an era which President Bush frequently
refers to as "the American Century."

  The powerful men of Skull & Bones genuinely believe that they have a
strategic and moral "right" to control world affairs. Consequently, they take
upon themselves the authority to crush any rivalrous threat to U.S. imperial
leadership, whether by current allies, such as Japan, Germany or Great
Britain, or by Cold War adversaries, like the Soviet Union. The members of the
Order, due to their narrow WASP upbringing, view with particular suspicion the
maneuverings of Zionist Israel and its affluent, influential lobby in the
United States.

  Bush, his fellow Bonesmen and their like-thinking elitist allies in the
American Establishment see themselves as New World Order warriors, an American
samurai caste of sorts, whose mission is restoring Ameriean greatness. They
intend to utilize the institutional networks of the U.S. government and key
private agencies, such as the New York Council on Foreign Relations. to
advance their purpose.

  The Skull & Bones mernbers believe in the idea of "construclive chaos".
By keeping their true policy intentions secret, by constantly sending out
mixed signals on all critical policy issues, they consciously seek to sow
confusion among both their nominal "friends" and "enemies alike.

  The fulcrum for the policy of constructive chaos is, at present, the
Middle East situation. Although U.S. military action in the region has for the
time being subsided, America's military power will remain a critical
determinant in the future of that vital zone of conflict. American military
power is aimed at securing undisputed control over the vast reservoir of
oil—not at necessarily fostering any permanent alignment of local states or
combinations of regional interests.

  If President George Bush and his fellow true believers are successful.
the United States will be first among equals in the New World Order. This is
their goal. It is also the quest of the Bonesmen of the Order of Skull &
Bones-America's warrior aristocracy.

iii

  

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Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...

[M. A. Johnson]

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Gerald Harp wrote:
 From January to October the Republicans and the news
 media told us it was all about sex.

MJ:
In January, Mr. Clinton LIED -- about having a sexual
relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.  Had it NOT been for the
dress, he would STILL be lying about it.

What exactly would *YOU* explain/describe/present if *YOU*
were explaining/describing/presenting contrarian accounts
of Mr. Clinton's adamant denials?  Donuts?

Regard$,
--MJ

There is no improper relationship and I intend to cooperate
with this inquiry, but that is not true.
-- Bill Clinton, 28 January 1998, Interview with Jim Lehrer

Indeed, I did have a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky that was
not appropriate.  -- Bill Clinton, 17 August 1998 Speech

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[CTRL] Bubble, bubble, world in trouble

[Danny Cox]

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 Begin Forwarded Message

US Stock Market

Greenspan's Asset Markets

Bubble, bubble, world in trouble


The US stock market is preventing global recession. If US consumers are
to continue spending with vigour, equities may have to rise to yet more
dizzying heights. This is frighteningly reminiscent of the political
economy of the Japanese bubble of the late 1980s, on a global scale. For
Alan Greenspan's Federal Reserve it also creates horrible dilemmas.


The latest Economic Outlook from the Organisation for Economic
Co-operation and Development estimates a 4.7 per cent expansion in US
private consumption in 1998, accompanied by an 8.9 per cent increase in
gross fixed investment. The resulting 5 per cent increase in domestic
demand offsets a deterioration in the external balance of 1.6 per cent
of gross domestic product. The result is GDP growth of 3.5 per cent and
a boost to output in the rest of the world.


Unfortunately, the US current account deficit cannot continue at 3 per
cent of GDP indefinitely. Moreover, with equity markets fully recovered
from the turbulence of August and September, valuations are once more at
unprecedented levels.


These high market valuations are driving the buoyant US spending:
because households feel richer, they save less; because corporations
find their assets more valuable, they build new ones. Research at the
Federal Reserve suggests that the decline in US net private savings that
lies behind the strong growth in domestic demand is largely explained by
the increase in equity values.


What lies behind the high prices of US equities? A part of the answer is
the performance of the economy; another is one and a half decades of
bullish markets. But a big part must be the conviction that they are
underwritten by the Fed in order to sustain the expansion in domestic
demand.


The most revealing indication was the Fed's decision to cut the federal
funds rate three times - in late September, mid-October and again in
mid-November - by a total of three quarters of a percentage point, even
though broad money continued to expand strongly. This policy was aimed
at the security markets: it worked.


Asset price bubble


A close parallel is not hard to find. In the late 1980s the Japanese
monetary authorities also encouraged an aggressive monetary expansion
that fuelled an asset price bubble. This too was driven by the priority
given to increasing domestic demand. The asset price inflation was, in
effect, a solution, not a problem. And, for a while, it worked. But it
also left Japan with horrible withdrawal symptoms.


Supply the fix


For the Federal Reserve similar dilemmas may well arise, as it seeks to
sustain the growth in US demand.


In view of what is happening in the world economy, the Federal Reserve
has to supply the fix. But it too must worry about the ultimate fate of
the junky.


Critics of the Fed argue that the dependence of both the US and world
economies on these very strong asset markets is its fault. If it had not
been willing to allow the "irrational exuberance", identified by Mr
Greenspan as far back as 1996, the balance of the economy would be far
healthier today, they argue. Investors would have been better aware of
the underlying risks, and the shocks of the past year and a half would
have been correspondingly smaller. Today, therefore, the Fed could have
had its cheap money policy without worrying about what it was also doing
to asset prices.


The response is that a bubble is only ever obvious in retrospect.
Domestic inflationary pressures in the US have remained weak, and
judging how to prick an asset price bubble is impossibly difficult, if
one is also determined not to destabilise the economy. For all these
reasons, the Fed could only warn of the risks, as it did. It could also
look at the implications of asset price movements for domestic demand
and inflation in framing its monetary policy, as it also did.


This is a highly defensible point of view. But it has left the Fed with
three big worries today. First, investors believe that in current
circumstances, sustaining high asset prices is an implicit aim of
monetary policy. Second, because they believe this, the risks they are
prepared to assume are likely to grow - and grow. Third, if, or when,
the price adjustment ultimately happens, the Fed may find itself trying
to sustain demand in the teeth of a huge contrary wind.


Households that have lost a vast amount of paper wealth must save. Then
monetary policy may prove almost as ineffective in the US as now in
Japan. The parallel may seem inconceivable today. Alas, it is not.

The Financial Times, Dec. 19, 1998

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Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...

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In a message dated 12/18/98 6:49:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>
>  No, it's you Clintonistas who keep telling yourself it IS only about
>  sex...
>
>  The rest of us know it's about perjury and obstruction of justice...
>

>From January to October the Republicans and the news media told us it was all
about sex.  They described the activities in great detail, even a large volume
of salacious material was released by the Republicans to the delight of the
press.  Then, all became quiet and the news media seemed confused and the
Republicans chagrined.  Then in a bit Salon let it be known that Henry Hyde,
Dan Burton, and Helen Chenoweth were lying adulterers like that mean old
Clinton.  Then it was leaked that Strom Thrurmond had a child out of wedlock
with an African-American woman although he, unlike Burton who also fathered a
child out of wedlock, at least paid some child support (hush money?).  What to
do?

Then, shazam, it was no longer a matter of sex or about lying.  It was a
matter of lying under oath about sex!  Phew!  (see Barb Witts last post if you
doubt that this is the new party line.

To tell the truth, these lying ass Republicans are right.  It isn't about sex
or lies.  It is about a strange right-wing belief that only they are entitled
to rule and it serves their and God's purpose to do anything including
dragging this country down to dust to take control of the nation.  It is about
a coup d'etat.  It is about enacting a crime under network TV cameras.  It is
about the arrogant rich and their servants (the Republicans and the news
media) telling the world that they and they alone will make they key decisions
in this country.  Maybe it is a banana republic at that.

Jerry Harp

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[CTRL] Fwd: New On Dr. Ed's Econet

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COMMENT: Inflation rates are moving very close to zero around the world. We
are literally on the edge of deflation. Expect even more signs of deflation
in 1999, despite further central bank easing and lower government bond
yields. I still believe we are heading into a global bear market for
stocks, which already started in 1997 for Asia and Latin America, and in
1998 for Europe and some sectors of the US stock market. The global rally
since mid-Oct pushed US stocks to a possible double-top. The advance has
been very narrow both among NYSE stocks and global stock markets, which
have not recovered to their previous record highs. (See GLOBAL MARKETS
BRIEFING.)

Y2K COMMENT: I've spent the past 4 weeks studying the Y2K disclosure
statements of the S&P 500 corporations in their third quarter SEC filings.
I didn't get a warm, fuzzy feeling. I would really like to lower my
subjective probability of a global Y2K recession, which remains at 70%.
But, I found no reason to do so in what I read. America's largest
corporations have had to increase their total Y2K budgets by 26%, on
average since the end of last year. They've spent only 42% of their latest
estimated budgets, which are likely to continue to rise through 1999. Of
the 11 S&P industry groups, utilities were dead last with a
spending-to-budget ratio of  31%! (See the latest four issues of THE Y2K
REPORTER.)

STOCK VALUATION: In addition to tracking the "Greenspan Model" daily for
you on my home page, I am now monitoring earnings expectations and stock
valuation for Canada, the UK, Germany, France, and Japan every month in
GLOBAL VALUATION MODELS.

IMPEACHMENT NEWS: An informed source in the White House (not an intern)
expects that Bill will agree to resign, but only if Hillary replaces him in
the Oval Office. She will then pardon her husband before filing for a
divorce. You heard it here first. Maybe I scooped the Drudge Report.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazaria.......NOT!

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In a message dated 12/18/98 4:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> The blatant
>  dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant
>  racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from
>  themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single
>  ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification
>  truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent.

Well, it sounds like the ever plotting nefarious Jews have been caught with
their hand in the jar again.

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Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton

[M. A. Johnson]

 -Caveat Lector-

Gerald Harp wrote:
 It is a sad thing that a hate filled willful mob of
 Republicans have skirted the democratic process by
 negating the election by us of President Clinton.
MJ:
How so?  they voted articles of impeachment which certainly
do NOTHING save refer his alleged criminal activity to the
Senate.
What 'democratic' process are you referring?  America is a
Constitutional Republic where The Law rules, not a majority
of the people.


Gerald Harp wrote:
They have done this by abuse of a Constitutional provision
for impeachment meant to be invoked when a president abuses
his powers and threatens to be a self appointed dictator.
MJ:
Perhaps you should READ some of the primary source material
written about impeachment rather than rely upon that which
you are TOLD to believe.  Federalist Number 65 by Hamilton
is certainly a fine start ...

   [impeachment relates to] misconduct of public men, or,
   in other words, from the abuse or violation of some
   public trust [that is] of a nature ... political [emphases
   in original].




Gerald Harp wrote:
   ... have now weakened Clinton so that, in many cases, his
   vetoes of legislation that decreases low cost housing,
   emasculates health and safety protection for blue collar
   workers, softens environmental rotections, lowers medical
   services for the poor, squanders budget surplus money on
   more tax breaks for the rich, denies legal services for
   poor people, eliminates protections against racial
   discrimination, penalizes immigrants, etc. are less likely
   to hold.

   In other words, in addition to their visceral detestation
   of an inclusive President they now have a situation more
   friendly to their most damaging legislation and that aids
   their ability to block legislation that would strengthen
   families and make a good life more possible for the middle
   class and thereby make things a bit less top down and a bit
   less of being grateful to the powers that be for whatever
   dregs of consideration the unwashed are allowed.

MJ:
Preventing the above UNCONSTITUTIONAL efforts seems noble.

 I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article
 of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress
 of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money
 of their constituents. -- James Madison

 ... attend to what generosity and humanity require, but
 to what the Constitution and their duty require.
   --  William Giles, Virginia Representative 1796


 I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for
 public charity. . . . [and to approve such spending]
 would be contrary to the letter and the spirit of the
 Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon
 which the Union of these States is founded.
   -- President Franklin Pierce, 1854



Gerald Harp wrote:
I feel depressed about what has happened.  It is a big
thing because of the openness and arrogance of the thing
as though it hardly matters whether we, in truth and not
by conceit alone, live in a democracy.
MJ:
Perhaps THIS is your shortcoming.  Why exactly do you believe
America is a democracy?

 Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and
 contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal
 security, or the rights of property;  and have in general
 been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in
 their deaths.   -- James Madison




Gerald Harp wrote:
 However, it may be for the best.  Now that we have been
 exposed to the realities of the ruling elite, we may all
 act a bit wiser in the future and be a little less eager
 to vote for irresponsible Republicans.  We may take a bit
 more care for our democracy and realize how easy it is to
 slip into a condition of mindlessness where objective
 reality is trivialized and pretense is elevated.

MJ:
Yes, we have faced this condition in America for over 100 years
as the 'educated electorate' ceased its 'check' sought to 'balance'
this REPUBLIC against representatives from BOTH sides of the aisle
who merely have their OWN power in mind as they apologize for
wrongdoing, redefine words and concepts, instruct myrmidons and
FAIL to uphold, defend and protect the Constitution they swear
allegiance.  It is unfortunate that it will get much WORSE, before
it ever can get better.

Regard$,
--MJ

... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a
rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed.
The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to
the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain
quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner
of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve
its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time,
that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take
arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the 

[CTRL] Between Iraq and a Soft Place

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From NY (NY) Times

By STEVEN LEE MYERS



ASHINGTON -- American and British forces are taking care to
avoid hitting Iraqi factories suspected of producing chemical and
biological weapons, Pentagon officials said Thursday. They added that the
damage at military, intelligence and communications targets has been
extensive.

President Clinton ordered the air assault after Iraq refused to let United
Nations inspectors determine whether it had destroyed its stocks of
biological and chemical weapons. The Pentagon said Thursday that although
the Administration's ultimate aim was to remove those weapons, the strikes
avoided the plants out of fear of unleashing plumes of poisons and killing
civilians.

The bombing and missile strikes inflicted significant damage on Iraqi air
defenses, intelligence and security headquarters and barracks of the
Republican Guards, according to an early assessment offered at the Pentagon
Thursday. The strikes began Wednesday and resumed for a second night after
a daytime lull.

The attack, which represents the biggest military operation of Clinton's
presidency, appeared to surprise the Iraqis, who had done little to
disperse troops or weapons, Pentagon officials said. The Republican Guards
were a focus of the attack, but the officials said they could not estimate
the extent of casualties.

Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, who appeared at the Pentagon with Gen.
Henry H. Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the
United States did not intend to destroy suspected weapons plants that could
also make benign commercial products, even though those plants are
essential to develop covert chemical or biological weapons.

"We're not going to take a chance and try to target any facility that would
release any kind of horrific damage to innocent people," Cohen had said
earlier on "Today" on NBC-TV News.

Cohen's remarks underscored that even three or four days of heavy attacks,
which is what Pentagon planners envision, would not be enough to destroy
Iraq's ability to produce at least small amounts of weapons. Having
conceded that, Cohen and General Shelton outlined a mission intended to
weaken Hussein's Government and military, including missile sites and bases
central to launching chemical or biological weapons.

"We have no illusions of how difficult it is" to destroy the production of
chemical or biological weapons, Cohen said at the Pentagon. "We intend to
focus on the military aspects of his regime."

To that extent the first wave of strikes appeared to succeed, officials
said. Nearly 250 cruise missiles from seven warships and a submarine in the
Persian Gulf, followed by 40 sorties from fighters from the carrier
Enterprise, struck more than 50 targets in the first day of the attack,
General Shelton announced.

General Shelton displayed satellite photographs of extensive damage to two
targets in Baghdad, the military intelligence headquarters and Republican
Guard barracks.

Air Force fighters and bombers, including B-52's with cruise missiles, and
British jets based in Kuwait joined in the assault for the first time as
dusk fell in Baghdad.

In the capital sirens again sounded and antiaircraft fire speckled the dark
with flashes and bursts. Afterward explosions reverberated throughout the
center of the city.

Foreign Minister Mohammed Said al-Sahaf said the strikes had as targets
civilian areas of Baghdad and reported heavy casualties. al-Sahaf described
damage at several sites, including a battery factory and Government
buildings like the intelligence building and the security police
headquarters.

The Health Minister said that at least 25 people had died and that 75 had
been wounded in Baghdad.

One strike damaged a palace belonging to Saddam Hussein's daughter Hala,
who was uninjured, Iraqi officials reported.

"The last time I checked Saddam had something like 80 palaces," Cohen said
when asked whether the strikes focused on Hussein or his family.

The Pentagon offered few details. But officials said nearly 100
air-launched cruise missiles, each with 2,000-pound warheads, struck in
Iraq tonight. The officials said they were fired by B-52's based on the
British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, far from harm's way.

Other American and British pilots flew deep into Iraq today, officials
said.

By late Thursday night, after two days and dozens of strikes, no American
or British pilot had been lost.

Despite the antiaircraft bursts in Baghdad, few fighters apparently
encountered significant challenges from surface-to-air missiles, the
officials said, though most planes flew high enough to avoid low-level
threats.

Officials also said the initial strikes had succeeded in hitting their
first targets, air defenses, especially in the southern half of Iraq. "The
cruise missiles softened things up pretty well," one official said.

By the end of Thursday night, the American and British jets appeared to
strike targets at will.

The United States has 2

[CTRL] http://www.salonmagazine.com/

[Alamaine Ratliff]

This is the home page for SalonMagazine ... they have a sidebar entitled,
"NewsReal" which includes "Saturday Morning Massacre", "Impeachment", and
others, and contains so many articles, it's hard to choose one for research
and educational posting here.  So, I'll just send the link.  Oh, there's
one area entitled "Washinton's Weird Week" ("www." ?)


A<>E<>R

The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes
but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
 Salon Magazine (Internet Shortcut)

[CTRL] War: Over Here, Over There

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From Int'l Herald Tribune

"Recalling the congressional debate over the Gulf War resolution in January
1991, Mr. Lott said, ''I don't believe there was a single Democrat who
voted for it.'' In reality, 10 Senate Democrats, including Vice President
Al Gore, then a senator from Tennessee, and 86 House Democrats supported
the resolution. Mr. Lott apparently forgot that in 1991, Democrats
controlled both the House and Senate, meaning that the resolution could not
have passed without Democratic votes. "

Paris, Saturday, December 19, 1998


By Dan Balz Washington Post Service

WASHINGTON - A decade of destructive partisanship, personal attack and
win-at-all-cost politics has crystallized in Washington this week, and the
question no one can begin to answer is where it will end.

The extraordinary events of the last few days suggest that the simple
civilities that once helped to lubricate the rough game of politics are
being swept away.

>From the unexpectedly harsh criticism by key Republican leaders of
President Bill Clinton's decision to launch a military strike against Iraq
on the eve of a House impeachment vote to the confession by the House
speaker-designate, Bob Livingston, of marital indiscretions, any semblance
of normality in the conduct of public life has evaporated.

''Last week, this city reminded people of Beirut in the 1980s,'' said
Kenneth Duberstein, former chief of staff in the Reagan administration.
''It now reminds people of the napalm-bombed Vietnam: total scorched earth.
It is very sad for this place.'' This descent into the swamps of conflict,
suspicion and raw partisanship has been coming for years.

As a former official in the Clinton administration put it late Thursday,
''If you rip away the civility from our politics, the country and our
institutions pay a terrible price.''

That price is the growing disillusionment by the public toward political
life in Washington and a coarsening of the system designed to resolve
differences peacefully and honorably. Despite rhetoric to the contrary,
there appears to be no incentive to playing the game any other way.

Each expression of distrust is repaid in kind. Judging from reactions, no
one will be able to convince Republicans that the news about Mr.
Livingston's private life was not instigated by Democratic opponents.

Nor can many Democrats be convinced that the impeachment proceedings
represent anything more than partisan payback for accumulated grievances.

It is hard to say where it all started. Vietnam? Watergate? A succession of
Senate confirmation battles - the most notable being those of the Supreme
Court nominees Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas - that turned into open
warfare between the parties and between opposing cultures in the country?
The resignation of the House speaker Jim Wright, Democrat of Texas? The
election of Mr. Clinton? The Republican takeover of both houses in 1994?

The elements of this style of politics are now familiar to an increasingly
disconnected country: negative campaigns, the relentless exposure of the
private lives of politicians, a political system corrupted by huge amounts
of money, war-room politics, government by permanent campaign, accelerated
news cycles and a destroy-your-opponent mentality.

This conflict has intensified for several reasons. One is that the
political landscape is so evenly balanced between the two parties right
now. Neither Republicans nor Democrats can gain the upper hand, but each is
determined to win it all in every election. Every skirmish becomes a
significant battle.

Another factor is that the parties too often have found that the politics
of polarization win elections, whatever the cost to governing. At times,
the two parties have allowed their extreme wings to dominate, at the
expense of the middle. Civility has become a casualty.

There is no question that the events of 1998 have rubbed raw the nerves of
partisans on both sides and that the impeachment vote has added to the
bitter feelings in both parties. The notion of impeachment as a solemn and
sober process has disappeared in the welter of partisan argument.

Mr. Clinton may feel like a victim as the House began the impeachment
debate, but even those who have defended him and worked for him acknowledge
privately that he bears considerable responsibility for where the country
stands this week. His credibility, they say, has been damaged by his
conduct. Is it any wonder, some say, that Republicans distrust his motives
in attacking Iraq?

''The depth of the damage he's caused himself and the extent to which his
relations with Congress have been strained all came together,'' said a
Democrat who asked not to be identified.

But privately, many Republicans despair at how members of their own
congressional leadership responded to the attack. The decision by the
Senate

[CTRL] ABC News: Embassay Lacked Security Against Attacks

[A.C. Szul]

Protests and violence in Arab
  world over attacks on Iraq

  By Jocelyn Noveck, Associated Press, 12/19/98 18:49 

  CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Throwing stones, burning flags and even
  breaking into a U.S. ambassador's home, protesters
  throughout the Arab world joined Saturday in a bitter wave of
  anger over the airstrikes on Iraq. 

  A common theme of the protests was that all Arabs - not just
  Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein - were targeted by the U.S. and
  British attacks, which President Clinton suspended in an
  announcement Saturday evening in Washington. 

  ``The aggression on Iraq is an aggression on the whole Arab
  nation,'' said Aziza Fadhel, a university student in the Syrian
  capital, Damascus. 

  That was exactly the idea Clinton tried to fight in a message
  offered for broadcast in Arab countries. 

  Saddam ``threatens Muslims and non-Muslims alike,'' Clinton
  said in the videotaped message. ``We had to act.'' 

  The United Arab Emirates criticized the strikes for taking
  place during the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan. 

  Before Clinton announced the suspension of the military
  action, thousands marched through downtown Damascus
  Saturday in a rare protest in the Syrian capital. About 1,000
  people - most of them students - attacked the U.S. Embassy,
  its nearby residence and the American Cultural Center. 

  Rioters also threw stones at the British Embassy in
  Damascus and broke into the British Council, where they
  damaged furniture and scattered library books

SEE http://www.boston.com/dailynews/wirehtml/353/Protests_and_violence_in_Arab_world.shtml
->snip>
ABC News reported tonite that US embassy in Syria wasn't under the usual
protection.  Syria is full of security --usually-- but today it lacked.
Regards,
-A
http://www.erols.com/mack97
"The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous

[CTRL] Fwd: So, Why (Else) Bomb Iraq?

[RoadsEnd]

Banned Weapons Not Among Targets

WASHINGTON (AP) -- No matter how long the U.S.-British air offensive against
Iraq lasts or how much damage it inflicts, it probably will leave untouched
the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons Saddam Hussein is suspected of
hiding, Clinton administration officials concede.

President Clinton says the main purpose of the air campaign, which continued
for the third day Friday, is to diminish Iraq's capacity for producing the
lethal weaponry that Washington and London claim is a threat to the world.

Why, then, are the hundreds of missiles and bombs in the attack not aimed at
likely hiding places for weapons that Clinton claims Saddam, the Iraqi
president, would not hesitate to use?

``That's a good question, and I don't know the answer,'' said Brent Scowcroft,
who was President Bush's national security adviser when the issue of Iraq's
illicit weaponry first arose in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. If these weapons
are the worry, why not bomb them, he wonders.

Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi deputy prime minister, said he knows why.

``The matter is not weapons of mass destruction,'' he told reporters in
Baghdad on Friday. ``They know that all weapons of mass destruction have been
totally destroyed.'' The bombing campaign is intended only to ``show that the
United States is the sole superpower in the world,'' he contended.

U.S. officials say the reasons for not targeting weapons of mass destruction
are twofold: They cannot be pinpointed with certainty and bombing them might
release dangerous poisons and cause additional casualties of innocent
civilians.

Instead, U.S. missiles and bombs are aimed at the facilities that support
Iraq's weapons program -- a military research and development center, for
example, a barracks for the Republic Guard military units that are responsible
for weapons security and a missile repair facility.

Defense Secretary William Cohen says the Iraqis cannot be believed when they
claim they have no weapons of mass destruction.

``Saddam Hussein has claimed for eight years that he has no chemical weapons,
that he has no biological weapons,'' Cohen said. ``Only when confronted with
the facts has he retreated and admitted he had been lying.''

``So we don't take him at his word that he has none,'' Cohen added.

David Albright, a former U.N. nuclear weapons inspector and now president of
the private Institute for Science and International Security in Washington,
said U.S. officials strongly suspect Saddam still is manufacturing nuclear
weapons components and probably has some chemical and biological materials.

``But who knows where they might be stored,'' Albright said.

Even if Iraq has such weapons stashed away, the U.S. and British bombing -- if
successful -- would make it harder to use them or to manufacture more.

In the longer run, Saddam's ability to threaten the world with illicit weapons
may depend on whether he puts out the welcome mat for the United Nations'
beleaguered corps of inspectors and lets them work unhindered. If he does not,
the United States will have to rely on two tools that Russia and some other
countries oppose: indefinite economic sanctions and, perhaps, further military
action.

Scowcroft, for one, does not believe that Saddam's weapons program can be
contained without inspectors on the ground.

``I don't think it can be done through sanctions alone,'' he said. ``The
sanctions keep (Saddam) from building up his overall military forces, but he
gets enough income to apply it toward weapons of mass destruction, especially
chemical and biological.''

[CTRL] Fwd: Iraqi Strike -- Domino Effect

[RoadsEnd]

Arab World Protests Bombing of Iraq

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Throwing stones, burning flags and even breaking into a
U.S. ambassador's home, protesters throughout the Arab world joined Saturday
in a bitter wave of anger over the airstrikes on Iraq.

A common theme of the protests was that all Arabs -- not just Iraqi leader
Saddam Hussein -- were targeted by the U.S. and British attacks, which
President Clinton suspended in an announcement Saturday evening in Washington.

``The aggression on Iraq is an aggression on the whole Arab nation,'' said
Aziza Fadhel, a university student in the Syrian capital, Damascus.

That was exactly the idea Clinton tried to fight in a message offered for
broadcast in Arab countries.

Saddam ``threatens Muslims and non-Muslims alike,'' Clinton said in the
videotaped message. ``We had to act.''

The United Arab Emirates criticized the strikes for taking place during the
Islamic fasting month of Ramadan.

Before Clinton announced the suspension of the military action, thousands
marched through downtown Damascus Saturday in a rare protest in the Syrian
capital. About 1,000 people -- most of them students -- attacked the U.S.
Embassy, its nearby residence and the American Cultural Center.

Rioters also threw stones at the British Embassy in Damascus and broke into
the British Council, where they damaged furniture and scattered library books.

At the U.S. residence, more than 100 people climbed over the wall, broke down
the front door and stormed inside, destroying everything in their path --
furniture, windows, the ambassador's private office. They knocked books on the
floor, and destroyed kitchen cabinets and bookcases.

They also attacked the car of Ambassador Ryan Crocker, shattering the lights
and windows. Crocker's wife, Christine, was in the house at the time but was
not hurt.

At the embassy, U.S. Marine guards fired tear gas from the roof to disperse
the stone-throwing crowd. Three protesters managed to enter the compound,
climb the walls and haul down and burn the American flag.

Syrian security forces dispersed the mobs after about six hours.

In Washington Saturday, the State Department advised American citizens not to
travel to Syria because the U.S. attack on Iraq could prompt retaliation and
put Americans in danger.

In Hebron in the West Bank, about 3,000 Palestinians defied a ban from their
leadership on pro-Iraq demonstrations, screaming ``Death to Israel! Death to
America!'' Clashes later with Israeli troops firing rubber bullets left more
than 100 Palestinians injured.

The unrest was among the most intense in months in the Palestinian lands.

In another demonstration in Jenin, about 2,500 Palestinians approached the
Jewish settlement of Ginat and threw stones at Israeli troops, who responded
with rubber bullets and tear gas. Seven Palestinians were injured.

In Egypt, 4,000 students burned U.S. and Israeli flags at Banha University,
north of Cairo, as did 200 students at Cairo's Ain Shams University.

``Oh Baghdad, Oh Baghdad, my love, strike Tel Aviv,'' they shouted at Ain
Shams. ``Iraq's children have no milk for nursing, so now they're sucking on
bullets instead.''

Protester Ayman Yassin, 20, called America ``the spawn of all evil.''

In the Yemeni capital of San`a, more than 15,000 marched. ``Look, look at
America, look at the scandal of Monica,'' some chanted.

In Jordan, more than 1,000 students expressed their anger at Jordanian
University, where 200 riot police kept them from leaving the campus.

There were also protests in Sudan, where U.S. forces in August bombed a
pharmaceuticals plant Washington accused of making components for chemical
weapons.

In the capital, Khartoum, some students threw Molotov cocktails at the closed
U.S. Embassy during a protest by about 2,000 people, witnesses said.


Russia: Iraq Furor May Hurt US Ties

MOSCOW (AP) -- Moscow denounced the United States today with the kind of
rhetoric not seen since the Cold War, demanding an end to attacks on Iraq and
warning that relations with the West could be badly damaged.

In a rare display of political consensus, President Boris Yeltsin and his
Communist and nationalist opponents harshly criticized the U.S. and British
attacks on Iraq with verbal broadsides reminiscent of the Soviet era.

``We condemn the United States, and nobody should doubt our negative
attitude,'' Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov said.

Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev said Friday the U.S. and British
strikes ``flagrantly violated the norms of the international law and openly
ignored the world community's efforts to settle the situation.'' Sergeyev said
Moscow's relations with NATO were threatened.

The Foreign Ministry called for a halt to the air attacks and a U.N. Security
Council meeting to restore peace in Iraq, a longtime Soviet and Russian
friend.

The Iraq crisis underscores Moscow's loss of global influence and the
unhappiness of some Russian political leaders and officials about close post-
Sovi

[CTRL] [Fwd: Piracy]

[Jim]

This is a text about how the plainness of the Constitution
was subverted.






   Constitutional Erosion and the Rise of Political Piracy

  by Dwight R. Lee



The early success of the Constitution, and the economic system that developed
under it, is reflected in the fact that relatively few people felt any
urgency to worry about politics.  Political activity offered little return as
there was little chance to exploit others, and little need to prevent from
being exploited by others, through political involvement.  People could
safely get on with their private affairs without having to worry about the
machinations and intrigues of politicians and bureaucrats in far-away places.
But this very success can, over time, undermine itself as a politically
complacent public increases the opportunities for those who are politically
involved to engage in political chicanery.

Motivating people to maintain the political vigilance necessary to protect
themselves against government is always a difficult task.  The individual who
becomes involved in political activity incurs a direct cost.  By devoting
time and resources in attempting to realize political objectives he is
sacrificing alternative objectives.  The motivation to become politically
active will be a compelling one only if the expected political outcome is
worth more to the individual than the necessary personal sacrifices.  This
will typically not be the case when the objective is to prevent government
from undermining the market process that is government's proper role to
protect.  The benefits that are realized from limited government are general
benefits.  These benefits accrue to each individual in the community whether
or not he personally works to constrain government.

Over the broad range of political issues, then, people quite rationally do
not want to get involved.  This is not to say, however, that everyone will be
apathetic about all political issues.  This clearly is not the case, and it
is possible to predict the circumstances that will motivate political
activism.  Often a relatively small number of individuals will receive most
of the benefit from a particular political decision, while the community at
large bears the cost.  Members of such a special interest group will find it
relatively easy to organize for the purpose of exerting political influence.
The number of people to organize is comparatively small; the group is
probably already somewhat organized around a common interest, and the
political issues that affect this common interest will be of significant
importance to each member of the group.

Of course, the free rider problem exists in all organizational efforts, but
the smaller the group and the narrower the objective, the easier it is to get
everyone to contribute his share.  Also, the benefits of effective effort can
be so great to particular individuals in the group that they will be
motivated to work for the common objective even if some members of the group
do free-ride.  Not surprisingly then, narrowly focused groups commonly will
have the motivation and ability to organize for the purpose of pursuing
political objectives.  The result is political piracy in which the
politically organized are able to capture ill-gotten gains from the
politically unorganized.

The Constitutional limits on government imposed effective restraints on
political piracy for many years after the Constitution was ratified.  There
are undoubtedly many explanations for this.  The vast frontier rich in
natural resources offered opportunities for wealth creation that, for most
people, overwhelmed the opportunities for personal gain through government
transfer activity.  Also, it can take time for politically active coalitions
to form after the slate has been wiped clean, so to speak, by a social
upheaval of the magnitude of first the Revolutionary War and then the Civil
War.  Public attitudes were also an important consideration in the control of
government.

Much has been written about how the pervasive distrust of government power
among the American people shaped the framing of a Constitution that worked to
limit government.  What might be more important is that the Constitution
worked to limit government because the public had a healthy distrust of
government power.  For example, in the 1860's the Baltimore and Ohio railroad
had its Harpers Ferry bridge blown up many times by both the Confederate and
Union armies, and each time the railroad rebuilt the bridge with its own
funds without any attempt to get the government to pick up part of the tab.
Or consider the fact that in 1887 President Grover Cleveland vetoed an
appropriation of $25,000 for seed corn to assist drought-stricken farmers
with the statement, "It is not the duty of government to support the people."
There is little doubt that Cleveland's view on this matter was in keeping
with broad public opinion.

The Constitutional safeguards against government 

[CTRL] OEN 12/19/98

[RoadsEnd]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe
-





Impeachment Vote

Congress Expected to Vote to Impeach Clinton Today

The national emergency broadcasting system will interrupt programming to
play
"Ode to Joy" from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony

THE US Congress was grinding inexorably towards impeaching a president
for only the second time in America's 222-year history last night.
The vote on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of
power against President Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky case is due this
morning. But there was no doubt last night, as debate continued in the
House of Representatives, that Mr Clinton would be sent on Monday for
trial in the Senate, where a two-thirds majority could remove him from
office.

Even Democrats on Capitol Hill privately acknowledge that Mr Clinton
might soon be forced to consider resignation to save America from a
trial in which Miss Lewinsky recounts details of her sex sessions with
him.

The White House tried desperately to shore up the President's
deteriorating position last night.

"What we have here is a cynical political strategy," said Joe Lockhart,
Mr Clinton's spokesman. "The Republican leadership first told people
impeachment was not final, and the President could defend himself in the
Senate, and now they say because he is being impeached he should
resign." But it is not just Right-wing Republicans who see resignation
becoming a possibility. Many Senate Democrats are watching events and
public opinion before deciding whether to send a delegation telling Mr
Clinton to go. Even Centrist Republicans spoke harshly of his "high
crimes and misdemeanours".

As the impeachment debate continued, Washington reverberated with shock
at the timing of Mr Clinton's decision to launch bombers against Iraq on
the eve of Congress's scheduled impeachment vote. Republicans and some
Democrats believe the President cynically calculated he could taint the
impeachment vote by launching "the war of Monica's dress".

Every threat of military action against Iraq has come when Mr Clinton
was fighting for his political life. One senator asked: "How many
coincidences can there be before you say it's not coincidence?"

Senator Paul Coverdell supported majority leader Trent Lott, who on
Wednesday withdrew his support for the President as Commander-in-Chief.

"I thought he was raising questions that were appropriate given the
incredible timing," Mr Coverdell said.

The London Telegraph, Dec. 19, 1998


Impeachment Chic

Clinton Plans Post-Impeachment Strategy

Or, Get Ready for Acts of Sheer Desperation

WASHINGTON (AP) -- His fate all but sealed with the stain of
impeachment, President Clinton must now navigate an unpredictable and
perilous course toward a climactic Senate trial.
Republicans will intensify demands for his resignation as soon as they
impeach him, hoping that Democratic lawmakers and the American public
will follow suit. Two Democrats joined the chorus Friday, saying the
president must go if impeached.

``There is going to be mounting pressure on him to resign after he is
impeached,'' said presidential historian and biographer Robert Dallek.

``People can forget about that,'' replied Vice President Al Gore.

``Absolutely not,'' said White House press secretary Joe Lockhart.

Clinton himself has ruled out resignation more than once. His closest
associates don't think it's in the cards -- at least for now.

First, he'll fight to avoid conviction in the Senate. And fight hard.

The work will begin almost immediately after the impeachment vote, which
even Clinton expects to go against him Saturday. He will launch an
aggressive two-pronged campaign to lobby senators and shore up his
60-plus percent approval ratings, according to advisers who spoke on
condition of anonymity.

In the Senate, look for Clinton to lobby lawmakers. It is a smaller,
more deliberative body that should be less hostile terrain for the
president. His defense should be scrappier than in the House, if for no
other reason than his advocates will be allowed to take part every step
of the way.

The White House plans to add people to its defense team.

Former chief of staff Leon Panetta said Clinton needs ``someone who
understands the United States Senate and the dynamics of that
institution.'' Clinton already has somebody in his camp who fits that
bill: former Sen. George Mitchell of Maine is an informal adviser.

Initial head counts suggest the two-thirds vote needed to oust Clinton
doesn't exist in the Senate. But his advisers realize their boss stands
on shifting sands, and the tide could move swiftly against him.

Clinton wants to avoid the humiliation of a Senate trial. One option is
to attempt to muster a majority vote to adjourn the trial before it
really gets off the ground. Another is to forge a deal resulting in a
censure, but no convictio

[CTRL] The Kingdom

[KFord74987]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Before Jesus preached this memorable sermon on the kingdom of God, the
first pretentious effort of his public career, he read from the Scriptures
these passages: "You shall be to me a kingdom of priests, a holy people.
Yahweh is our judge, Yahweh is our lawgiver, Yahweh is our king; he will save
us. Yahweh is my king and my God. He is a great king over all the earth.
Loving-kindness is upon Israel in this kingdom. Blessed be the glory of the
Lord for he is our King."

 When he had finished reading, Jesus said:
 "I have come to proclaim the establishment of the Father's kingdom. And
this kingdom shall include the worshiping souls of Jew and gentile, rich and
poor, free and bond, for my Father is no respecter of persons; his love and
his mercy are over all.

 "The Father in heaven sends his spirit to indwell the minds of men, and
when I shall have finished my work on earth, likewise shall the Spirit of
Truth be poured out upon all flesh. And the spirit of my Father and the Spirit
of Truth shall establish you in the coming kingdom of spiritual understanding
and divine righteousness. My kingdom is not of this world. The Son of Man will
not lead forth armies in battle for the establishment of a throne of power or
a kingdom of worldly glory. When my kingdom shall have come, you shall know
the Son of Man as the Prince of Peace, the revelation of the everlasting
Father. The children of this world fight for the establishment and enlargement
of the kingdoms of this world, but my disciples shall enter the kingdom of
heaven by their moral decisions and by their spirit victories; and when they
once enter therein, they shall find joy, righteousness, and eternal life.

 "Those who first seek to enter the kingdom, thus beginning to strive for
a nobility of character like that of my Father, shall presently possess all
else that is needful. But I say to you in all sincerity: Unless you seek
entrance into the kingdom with the faith and trusting dependence of a little
child, you shall in no wise gain admission.

 "Be not deceived by those who come saying here is the kingdom or there is
the kingdom, for my Father's kingdom concerns not things visible and material.
And this kingdom is even now among you, for where the spirit of God teaches
and leads the soul of man, there in reality is the kingdom of heaven. And this
kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

 "John did indeed baptize you in token of repentance and for the remission
of your sins, but when you enter the heavenly kingdom, you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.

 "In my Father's kingdom there shall be neither Jew nor gentile, only
those who seek perfection through service, for I declare that he who would be
great in my Father's kingdom must first become server of all. If you are
willing to serve your fellows, you shall sit down with me in my kingdom, even
as, by serving in the similitude of the creature, I shall presently sit down
with my Father in his kingdom.

 "This new kingdom is like a seed growing in the good soil of a field. It
does not attain full fruit quickly. There is an interval of time between the
establishment of the kingdom in the soul of man and that hour when the kingdom
ripens into the full fruit of everlasting righteousness and eternal salvation.

 "And this kingdom which I declare to you is not a reign of power and
plenty. The kingdom of heaven is not a matter of meat and drink but rather a
life of progressive righteousness and increasing joy in the perfecting service
of my Father who is in heaven. For has not the Father said of his children of
the world, `It is my will that they should eventually be perfect, even as I am
perfect.'


"I have come to preach the glad tidings of the kingdom. I have not come
to add to the heavy burdens of those who would enter this kingdom. I proclaim
the new and better way, and those who are able to enter the coming kingdom
shall enjoy the divine rest. And whatever it shall cost you in the things of
the world, no matter what price you may pay to enter the kingdom of heaven,
you shall receive manyfold more of joy and spiritual progress in this world,
and in the age to come eternal life.

 "Entrance into the Father's kingdom waits not upon marching armies, upon
overturned kingdoms of this world, nor upon the breaking of captive yokes. The
kingdom of heaven is at hand, and all who enter therein shall find abundant
liberty and joyous salvation.

 "This kingdom is an everlasting dominion. Those who enter the kingdom
shall ascend to my Father; they will certainly attain the right hand of his
glory in Paradise. And all who enter the kingdom of heaven shall become the
sons of God, and in the age to come so shall they ascend to the Father. And I
have not come to call the would-be righteous but sinners and all who hunger
and thirst for the righteousness of divine perfection.
 "John came preaching repentance to prepare y

Re: [CTRL] NWO Organizations Websites

[L. Shipton]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Mike Moxley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 3:30 PM
Subject: [CTRL] NWO Organizations Websites

Tell me do all these organizations seem to have the same agenda?  To want
peace is not the same as wanting everyone to think the same way.  To have us
with another mentality walking around in American Bodies!

Viva La Difference

To respect some one for what they know and what they do not know -
and the wisdom to know the difference!

Why does there have to be a line between student and teacher - can it be
allowed for the teacher to learn from the student?

What you are implying "seems" to be that there are people out there that are
so sure that they have all the answers that to teach others would me that we
would all have the answers and that is all that Control is about.  Does any
one person have all the answers or is it more just a way of thinking that
allows others to think?

To make their own (educated) decisions on how they would live their lives.

Laura
aka The Pied Piper

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[CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton

[Gerald Harp]

 -Caveat Lector-

It is a sad thing that a hate filled willful mob of Republicans have skirted
the democratic process by negating the election by us of President Clinton.
They have done this by abuse of a Constitutional provision for impeachment
meant to be invoked when a president abuses his powers and threatens to be a
self appointed dictator.  Their pretext was transparent but it has succeeded,
they did their dirty work before the new Congress could be sworn in.  But what
have they won with their spiteful action?

They have the deep down pleasure of malicious small people in seeing to it
that the object of their animus has been humiliated.  Also, the Republicans
have now weakened Clinton so that, in many cases, his vetoes of legislation
that decreases low cost housing, emasculates health and safety protection for
blue collar workers, softens environmental rotections, lowers medical services
for the poor, squanders budget surplus money on more tax breaks for the rich,
denies legal services for poor people, eliminates protections against racial
discrimination, penalizes immigrants, etc. are less likely to hold.

In other words, in addition to their visceral detestation of an inclusive
President they now have a situation more friendly to their most damaging
legislation and that aids their ability to block legislation that would
strengthen families and make a good life more possible for the middle class
and thereby make things a bit less top down and a bit less of being grateful
to the powers that be for whatever dregs of consideration the unwashed are
allowed.

I feel depressed about what has happened.  It is a big thing because of the
openness and arrogance of the thing as though it hardly matters whether we, in
truth and not by conceit alone, live in a democracy.  It has also placed the
stamp of approval on the substitution of the narrowest legalisms for justice.
It as though our ideals of governance have been officially proclaimed to be a
sham, and we see the man behind the curtain.  We wonder if he has always been
there.  Or did he arrive in part with the assassination of JFK and has now
completely taken over?

I will confess i found one of RoadsEnd's postings to be quite compelling in
terms of convincing this reader that we live in a highly stratified, class
society.  However, i am one of those somewhat rocked by the impeachment.

In fact the notion, very much supported by our news media, is now prevalent
that there is no longer a higher concept of justice or fairness.  The
legalities, even at the highest levels, are merely a game with rules as in a
card game.  Of course, there alienation of the poor will increase as well it
should.  People will understand that when the basic rules of the road or their
application do not make sense and are detrimental to their well being it means
that someone has taken charge, that things are being manipulated.  As Warren
Buffet said, if you don't know who the patsy is in a bizarre circumstance, it
is you.  The US now seems to be like a family owned business.  The owners now
and then ask the workers for their opinions but that is merely a ruse to
maintain the work ethic ands enthusiasm of the workforce.  This is the pass we
have come to.

However, it may be for the best.  Now that we have been exposed to the
realities of the ruling elite, we may all act a bit wiser in the future and be
a little less eager to vote for irresponsible Republicans.  We may take a bit
more care for our democracy and realize how easy it is to slip into a
condition of mindlessness where objective reality is trivialized and pretense
is elevated.

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and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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[CTRL] Din Din at the White House with Michael Moore

[Hilary Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Have fun with this.

Hilary



> From: spiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Commie Mike Moore's Dinner at the White House
>
> This is the latest newsletter from commie, Michael Moore.
>
>
>
> Sender: Michael Moore's newsletter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Mike's Dinner at the White House
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Mike's Dinner at the White House
> 12/18/98
> Dear Friends,
> I met Bill Clinton outside a Port-O-John last
> night and told him what he needed to do.
> Earlier in the week, I had received a call from
> the network chief at Britain's Channel Four
> Television (the producer of our upcoming show,
> "The Awful Truth") asking me what my plans
> were for last evening.
> I replied, "The usual. 'Wheel of Fortune' at 7,
> 'Jeopardy' at 7:30. Pop down to Lincoln Center
> to catch an hour or so of Verdi's "La Forza del
> Destino" then rush back for 'Diagnosis: Murder'
> at 9...
> "How would you like to have dinner at the
> White House?"
> "Which house?"
> "The White House."
> "Uh, sure."
> "It's to honor the Special Olympics," he said,
> "but I sense there may be other things going
> on in the White House. Do you think I can
> get security clearance for you?"
> "Uh, well, I was just there at the White House
> gate last week filming a piece for the show.
> They called out an FBI swat team in flak
> jackets. I'm sure there'll be no problem."
> And so it was that I found myself in the
> receiving line to meet Bill and Hillary Clinton.
> "You're from the working class," I blurted out
> as I shook Clinton's hand. I noticed that his
> makeup seemed as thick as Richard Nixon's
> when I saw him parading down the main street
> of Bad Axe, Michigan, one week before his
> resignation.
> "That's right, I am," he replied.
> "You should never forget that."
> "I don't forget it."
> "You must not resign. You must beat the Right
> Wing."
> "I intend to."
> "And this bombing thing, bad idea."
> "I have been a big fan of yours, Mike, since
> he beginning."
> At this point, Hillary interrupted.
> "Well, I'm a bigger fan!"
> Great. Now they're squabbling. Trying to save
> the moment I glance over to Bill then say to
> Hillary, "Well. I'm a bigger fan than..."
> She grabbed my hand and forearm.
> "I read what you wrote about me," she said,
> referring to the chapter in my book entitled
> 'My Forbidden Love for Hillary'. I just wanted
> to thank you for those words."
> Those words? Hmm. You mean where I said
> you were "one hot, s***kickin' feminist babe"?
> An aide came to move me along, but Hillary
> waved her away.
> We chatted a few more moments about our
> daughters, the need for them to see the
> lessons in this whole mess, and I told Hillary
> to run for office.
> We did the arm to arm embrace again and
> I walked away.
> At the dinner, they had seated Hillary's chief
> of staff next to us. I gave her an earful of what
> I thought the Clintons need to do. She gave
> me the First Lady's address and number.
> The dinner itself tasted like the "Thursday
> Surprise" from my high school cafeteria lunch
> menu. Before long, I felt a need to relieve
> myself.
> Because we were in a tent on the White House
> lawn, they had set up two Port-O-Johns
> (the high end "Executive" model) for the
> guests. One was locked, so I used the other.
> As I came out, President Clinton came out of
> the other Port-O-John. Alone. No Secret
> Service. I shook his hand again.
> "I meant what I said, Mr. President. Do not
> give up. I have not always agreed with you
> but this is bigger than you. The majority of this
> country does not agree with what is happening."
> Now, unlike his smiling demeanor in the
> receiving line, he looked down and quietly
> said "we're gonna be okay."
> It was not convincing.
> "Look," I said, like the presumptuous doofus I
> often am. "I would love to send you a letter
> outlining how I think you can defeat these
> right wingers."
> Jeez, I felt like such a jerk. Like he can't wait
> to read my "bullet points".
> He called over to a man standing nearby.
> "Doug, come here, meet Mike. He's got a
> few ideas for us. Doug's my political director."
> I told him I'd drop him a line, and as I sit here
> this morning in my D.C. hotel room, watching
> the coup in Congress live before my eyes, I
> wrote this appeal to the President of the United
> States:
> Go on TV tonight with Hillary. Let her speak
> first. Let her tell the country about the pain
> you have put her through. She should tell the
> country of her decision to forgive you and try
> to save the marriage.
> Explain that, unlike the "Christian" Republicans
> Bob Barr (married three times didn't pay child
> support), Newt Gingrich (sued his first wife for
> divorce the day after her cancer operation), etc.
> etc., you have decided that it is important to
> keep your family together.
> I watched the two of you at close range last
> night for nearly five hours. I trust my radar and
> instincts, and I was struck by how muc

[CTRL] "Deputy Fred" Called Upon To Evict Bill Clinton

[Brian Redman]

 -Caveat Lector-

"DEPUTY FRED" CALLED UPON TO EVICT BILL CLINTON
===

(CNNS, 12/19/98) --  In  Michael  Moore's  hit  movie, "Roger and
Me," the camera sometimes followed a "Deputy  Fred"  as  he  went
around  evicting  families  from  their  homes  on the day before
Christmas.

(Knock  on  door.)   "Sheriff's  Department!   Open  up!"   (Door
opens.)  "Hurry up and get your  stuff  together!   You've  gotta
clear out!"

The calls are growing louder  that  Bill Clinton, for the good of
the  nation,  must  resign.   But  sources  have  repeatedly  and
emphatically told  this  news  service  that  Bill  Clinton  will
=never=  willingly  leave  office.   "They'll  have  to drag him,
kicking and screaming, from the White House," said one source.

Already, network and  cable  news  broadcasts have begun carrying
reports that the now upcoming trial of Bill Clinton, in the  U.S.
Senate,  is  going  to go on for months and will be "horrendous."
Is there some way such a Senate trial could be averted?

Yes. Through the  XXV  Amendment  to  the U.S. Constitution, Bill
Clinton  can  be   removed   from   office   should   he   become
"incapacitated."

CNNS  (Conspiracy  Nation  News  Service)  asked  one journalist,
employed by  a  major  newspaper,  what  "the  buzz"  was  in the
newsroom these days.  On the condition that his  reply  was  "not
for  attribution" and on the understanding that it was merely the
latest newsroom talk and not  yet  verified, here is part of what
he says:

  We have heard, and from some rather credible sources,  that
  there  are  quiet  discussions  going on about invoking the
  25th  Amendment  should  Clinton begin to act even remotely
  strangely.  Many members of Congress believe that Bill  has
  a  substance abuse problem and the term "cocaine psychosis"
  was  repeatedly  used  in  one such conversation as several
  congressional staffers from different offices  were  trying
  to understand  the  recent  Reuters  wire  story about Bill
  being "in denial."

Is the Reuters' phrase "in denial" a CODE WORD?  Reportedly, Bill
Clinton is "in denial" about being  impeached.   But  is  he  "in
denial"  about  more than that?  A cocaine addiction for example?
Besides semen, were traces of  cocaine found on Monica Lewinsky's
infamous dress?

CNNS  later  spoke  by  telephone with our source, the journalist
mentioned above.  This  source  tells  us  that  Bill Clinton has
repeatedly, while president, made covert trips  to  Arkansas  for
the   purpose  of  partying.   The  source  calls  these  Clinton
mini-vacations "covert" because  Air  Force  One  was not used to
transport the president to and from Arkansas on those occasions.

In the latest report from "Ru Mills" (pseudonym), she  refers  to
congressman  Tom Campbell's remarks today, in which Rep. Campbell
specifically called Bill  Clinton "incapacitated."  Campbell went
further, according to "Ru Mills":   she  writes,  in  part,  that
"Campbell  said  that  there  are laws in place since 1968, which
would allow Congress to  remove  a  President who has been deemed
incapacitated."

Campbell was referring to the XXVth Amendment.

The knottiest problem, though, will be how to actually evict Bill
Clinton from the White House.  Suppose Bill Clinton is dethroned,
under XXVth Amendment provisions, but then becomes a squatter and
refuses to vacate?

There is one man who,  above  all  others, is well-known as being
experienced and qualified to handle such matters.   That  man  is
"Deputy  Fred."   We  call  upon  him now to be available for the
onorous task of eviction.  And "Deputy Fred," as shown in Moore's
movie, has special expertise in Christmas Eve evictions.

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[CTRL] NWO Organizations Websites

[Mike Moxley]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://americas.fiu.edu/
Americas Net

http://www.unesco.org/
UNESCO

http://home.earthlink.net/~hyphenate/oneworld.html
The One World Flag

http://www.cgg.ch/
CGG and the UN

http://www.nato.int/home.htm
NATO Homepage

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2837/indexe.html
1 World, 1 Nation

http://www.unausa.org/index.htm
United Nations Association of the USA

http://www.worldgov.org/
Grassroots World Government

http://www.wfa.org/
WFA's Campaign for Global Change

http://www.worldcitizens.org/
World Citizens Cover Page

http://upf.org/
United Planetary Federation

http://www.unwatch.org/
United Nations Watch

http://www.usmab.org/home2.html
Man and the Biosphere

http://www.clubofrome.org/
The Club of Rome

http://europa.eu.int/
Europa

http://www.oneworld.org/
One World Front Page

http://www.greenpeace.org/
Greenpeace International

http://www.european-voice.com/
European Voice

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk:80/newworld.html
Bahá'ís and The New World Order

http://www.amnesty.org/
Amnesty International On-Line

http://www.un.org/
United Nations Home Page

http://www.globalpolicy.org/
Global Policy Forum

http://www.eurunion.org/
The European Union (EU) in the US

http://www.wto.org/
World Trade Organization

http://www.worldpeace2000.org/index2.htm
World Peace 2000

http://www.cybernaute.com/earthconcert2000/
Millennium Gathering

http://www.homeplanet.org/
Homeplanet

http://www.bahai.org/
The Bahá'í World

http://www.hrw.org/
Human Rights Watch

http://pathwaystopeace.org/
Pathways To Peace

http://www.globalcommunity.org/
Foundation for Global Community

http://www.igc.org/haguepeace/
Hague Appeal for Peace 1999

http://www.lifebridge.org/
The Lifebridge Foundation

http://www.ffga.org/
Fund for Global Awakening

http://www.worldcitizen.org/wcf.shtml
World Citizen Foundation

http://acgc.org/
Action Coalition for Global Change

http://tavinstitute.guinet.com/tavi.htm
The Tavistock Institute

http://www.unol.org/
United Nations OnLine

http://www.trilateral.org/
The Trilateral Commission

http://ue.eu.int/
Council of the European Union

http://www.foreignrelations.org/
Council on Foreign Relations

http://www.shareintl.org/
Share International: Maitreya

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1641/
World Patriots?

http://www.enviroweb.org/ef/
Earth First!

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6094/wfava.html
WFA: Virginia

http://www.wcpagren.org/
wcpagren.org

http://www.worldgovernment.org/
World Citizen Web

http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/index.html
Millennium Institute

http://www.prs.org/
Philosophical Research Society

http://www.wcc-coe.org/
World Council of Churches

http://www.millenniumproject.org/
The Global Millennium Project

http://www.humanist.net/
The American Humanist Association

http://www.riia.org/
Royal Institute of International Affairs

http://www.atunite.org/
Association to Unite the Democracies

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1241/
Campaign for U.N. Reform

http://www.rockfound.org/
The Rockefeller Foundation

http://www.gci.ch/
Green Cross International

http://www.united-religions.org/
United Religions Initiative

http://www.earthaction.org/
EarthAction

http://globalexchange.org/
Global Exchange

http://astro.temple.edu/~dialogue/
The Global Dialogue Institute

http://www.rbf.org/
The Rockefeller Brothers Fund

http://www.toda.org/
Toda Institute for Global Peace

http://home.earthlink.net/~futurecon/
Center for Future Consciousnesss

http://www.who.org/
WHO/OMS: World Health Organization

http://www.igc.org/icc/
Coalition for an International Criminal Court

http://www.unsystem.org/
United Nations System

http://www.WORLDFORUM.ORG/
State of the World Forum
---
"Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance
over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing
even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will
be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities"
-Zbigniew Brezinsky, Advisor to Jimmy Carter
**
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center:
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[CTRL] Civil War was re: A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

[M. A. Johnson]

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Sno0wl wrote:
> I think that we fought a terrible and bloody Civil War to end
> slavery. And I doubt the suffragettes who fought for the women's vote
> thought the process was either reasonable or "peaceful."


The Civil War wasn't about slavery
by Walter E. Williams

THE PROBLEMS THAT LED TO THE CIVIL WAR are the same
problems today  big, intrusive government. The
reason we don't face the specter of another Civil
War is because today's Americans don't have
yesteryear's spirit of liberty and constitutional
respect, and political statesmanship is in short
supply.

Actually, the war of 1861 was not a civil war. A
civil war is a conflict between two or more factions
trying to take over a government. In 1861, Confederate
President Jefferson Davis was no more interested
in taking over Washington than George Washington
was interested in taking over England in 1776. Like
Washington, Davis was seeking independence.  Therefore,
the war of 1861 should be called "The War Between
the States" or the "War for Southern Independence."
The more bitter southerner might call it the "War
of Northern Aggression."

History books have misled today's Americans to
believe the war was fought to free slaves.

Statements from the time suggest otherwise. In
President Lincoln's first inaugural address, he said,
"I have no purpose,  directly or indirectly, to
interfere with the institution of slavery in the
states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful
right to do so."

During the war, in an 1862 letter to the New York
Daily Tribune editor Horace Greeley, Lincoln said,
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save
the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy
slavery." A recent article by Baltimore's Loyola
College Professor Thomas DiLorenzo titled "The Great
Centralizer," in The Independent Review (Fall 1998),
cites quotation after quotation of similar northern
sentiment about slavery.

Lincoln's intentions, as well as that of many northern
politicians, were summarized by Stephen Douglas during
the presidential debates. Douglas accused Lincoln of
wanting to "impose on the nation a uniformity of local
laws and institutions and a moral homogeneity dictated
by the central government" that "place at defiance
the intentions of the republic's founders." Douglas
was right, and Lincoln's vision for our nation has now
been accomplished beyond anything he could have
possibly dreamed.

A precursor for a War Between the States came in 1832,
when South Carolina called a convention to nullify
tariff acts of 1828 and 1832, referred to as the
"Tariffs of Abominations." A compromise lowering the
tariff was reached, averting secession and possibly
war. The North favored protective tariffs for their
manufacturing industry. The South, which exported
agricultural products to and imported manufactured
goods from Europe, favored free trade and was hurt by
the tariffs. Plus, a northern-dominated Congress enacted
laws similar to Britain's Navigation Acts to protect
northern shipping interests.

Shortly after Lincoln's election, Congress passed the
highly protectionist Morrill tariffs.

That's when the South seceded, setting up a new
government. Their constitution was nearly identical
to the U.S. Constitution except that it outlawed
protectionist tariffs, business handouts and mandated
a two-thirds majority vote for all spending measures.

The only good coming from the War Between the States
was the abolition of slavery. The great principle
enunciated in the Declaration of Independence that
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed" was
overturned by force of arms. By destroying the states'
right to secession, Abraham Lincoln opened the door
to the kind of unconstrained, despotic, arrogant
government we have today, something the framers of
the Constitution could not have possibly imagined.

States should again challenge Washington's
unconstitutional acts through nullification. But you
tell me where we can find leaders with the love,
courage and respect for our Constitution like Thomas
Jefferson, James Madison and John C. Calhoun.

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[CTRL] Joseph McCarthy Was Right

[Mike Moxley]

 -Caveat Lector-

Article excerpted from The Resister, Vol. II, No. 2

Joseph McCarthy Was Right

Read any school or university textbook on American History and you
will find any reference to Senator Joseph McCarthy loaded with
hysterical denouncements of him. He is reviled for creating a "climate
of fear" and excoriated for questioning the loyalty of government
employees.

The term coined to describe McCarthy's investigation of Communist
Party United Stated of America infiltration of the U.S., state and
local governments since the founding of the CPUSA is "McCarthyism."

To this day, any denunciation of communists or communism is smeared by
both liberals and conservatives as "McCarthysim."

The term "McCarthyism" is directly associated with the other smear
term favored by communists--"extremism."

Both these terms are 'anti- concepts'.

An anti-concept is a superfluous and rationally unusable term designed
to replace cognitive thought and reason with animal-like feelings and
instinctual negative reactions.

The purpose of an anti-concept is to instill in discourse a sense of
approximate understanding. "McCarthyism" is indefinable, describes
exactly nothing, and suggests some unnamed evil.

The alleged interpretation of this term revolves around such amorphous
ideas as reckless use of unverifed changes and guilt by association.
What it really means is "anti-communism." The anti-concept "extremism"
is 'felt' to mean prejudice, racism, bigotry, conspiratorial theories,
and advocacy of violence. What it really means is "pro-capitalism."

Joseph McCarthy is most vehemently denounced for investigating
communist infiltration of the federal government in general and the
U.S. State Department in particular.

Note for the record that the shrillest attacks on McCarthy stem from
his investigations of those who PROTECTED known communists.

The simple fact is that McCarthy was right. Throughout the 1920's
CPUSA had been encouraging its members to seek government employment
under direction of the Soviet COMINTERN. But the real communist push
occurred during the presidency of communist sympathizer and protector,
Franklin D. Roosevelt (President Clinton's hero).

By the time that crippled traitor, who's socialist programs survive to
this day, had the good grace to die in office, key positions in the
Department of Agriculture, the Government Printing Office, the
Department of State, the Democratic Party, Congress, major newspapers,
the movie "industry," labor unions, schools, and defense industries,
were thoroughly penetrated by communists or their sympathizers.

McCarthy's "crime" was exposing them.

The consequences of the attacks on McCarthy have been largely
indirect.

It early became apparent to politicians that any attempt to purge
communists who were (and are) devoted to the eventual destruction of
the Constitution and the republican form of government would be met
with hysterics in the communist sympathizing media, academia, and from
within the halls of Congress itself. The most important lesson
McCarthy taught was that noting who PROTECTS communists, who advances
and promotes their ideas, and who finances their programs, is as
equally important as exposing the actual reds.

We note for the record that, without exception, every single person
McCarthy questioned about being a communist, or implicated as working
to advance the cause of communism, was subsequently found to BE a
communist, or actively working to advance communist causes. 60 years
of uninterrupted communist influence within, and on the periphery of,
American government has delivered us to the brink of outright
socialism.

Mikhail Gorbachev, former president of the communist Soviet Union-who
still refers to himself as a "convinced communist," occupies quarters
at the former U.S. Army base Presidio of San Francisco publishing
papers that call for the "convergence" of the U.S. and (still
communist) Russia while our red press swoons over his every word. Our
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff uses your taxes to visit his native
(still communist) Georgia to extol the virtues of "cooperation" and
deploys the U.S. Army to (still communist) East European countries to
promote "democracy" and "human rights."

Convergence, cooperation, democracy, and human rights are all time
honored communist bromides.

We have a president who actively supported communist North Viet Nam
while he was dodging the draft and learning the virtues of
international socialism at Oxford.

A president who traveled to the Soviet Union with friends who are now
communist party officials in Italy, and who later married some female
known to her classmates at Yale as, "Hillary The Red."

Communists shriek that ideas are protected by the First Amendment. We
emphatically agree.

In fact, we actually like listening to communists spew their filth
because we get to note who is a communist and who subsequently spreads
their ideas around.

But when ideas that, by definition, abrogate individual rights,
li

[CTRL] The Real McCarthy Record

[Mike Moxley]

 -Caveat Lector-

THAT FREEDOM SHALL NOT PERISH Vol. 12, No. 18 - September 2, 1996

The Real McCarthy Record by James J. Drummey

A longtime smear campaign has clouded the truth

James J. Drummey is a former senior editor of THE NEW AMERICAN. This
article appeared originally in the May 11, 1987 issue of this
magazine.

Nearly 40 years after the death of Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,
twice-elected United States Senator from Wisconsin, the term
"McCarthyism" is still widely used as a convenient epithet for all
that is evil and despicable in the world of politics. Hardly a month
passes without some reference to "McCarthyism" in the print or
electronic media. Despite the frequency with which the term is
invoked, however, it is quite clear that not one critic of McCarthy in
a hundred has the slightest idea of what he said and did during that
controversial period from 1950 to 1954.

Whether Joe McCarthy was right or wrong, it is important that we know
the truth about him. If he was wrong, then we can learn some important
lessons for the future. If he was right, then we need to be vitally
concerned about the issues he raised because virtually nothing has
been done to deal effectively with those issues since the mid-1950s.

This article will attempt to answer many of the questions asked about
Joe McCarthy and the criticisms directed at him. The responses are
based on years of study of McCarthy's speeches and writings,
congressional hearings in which he was involved, and more than a score
of books about him, most of them highly critical and condemnatory.

I. The Years Before 1950

Q. Was Joseph McCarthy a lax and unethical judge?

A. Joe McCarthy was elected as a circuit judge in Wisconsin in 1939
and took over a district court that had a backlog of more than 200
cases. By eliminating a lot of legal red tape and working long hours
(his court remained open past midnight at least a dozen times), Judge
McCarthy cleared up the backlog quickly and, in the words of one local
newspaper, "administered justice promptly and with a combination of
legal knowledge and good sense."

Q. Did McCarthy exaggerate his military record in World War II?

A. Although his judgeship exempted him from military service, McCarthy
enlisted in the Marines and was sworn in as a first lieutenant in
August 1942. He served as an intelligence officer for a bomber
squadron stationed in the Solomon Islands, and also risked his life by
volunteering to fly in the tail-gunner's seat on many combat missions.
Those who quibble about the number of combat missions he flew miss the
point - he didn't have to fly any.

The enemies of McCarthy have seized on his good-natured remark about
shooting down coconut trees from his tail-gunner's spot (an ABC
television movie about McCarthy in the late 1970s was entitled Tail
Gunner Joe) to belittle his military accomplishments, but the official
record gives the true picture. Not only were McCarthy's achievements
during 30 months of active duty unanimously praised by his commanding
officers, but Admiral Chester Nimitz, commander in chief of the
Pacific Fleet, issued the following citation regarding the service of
Captain McCarthy:

For meritorious and efficient performance of duty as an observer and
rear gunner of a dive bomber attached to a Marine scout bombing
squadron operating in the Solomon Islands area from September 1 to
December 31, 1943. He participated in a large number of combat
missions, and in addition to his regular duties, acted as aerial
photographer. He obtained excellent photographs of enemy gun
positions, despite intense anti-aircraft fire, thereby gaining
valuable information which contributed materially to the success of
subsequent strikes in the area. Although suffering from a severe leg
injury, he refused to be hospitalized and continued to carry out his
duties as Intelligence Officer in a highly efficient manner. His
courageous devotion to duty was in keeping with the highest traditions
of the naval service.

Q. Was McCarthy backed by the communists in his 1946 campaign for the
U.S. Senate?

A. In 1946, Joe McCarthy upset incumbent U.S. Senator Robert La
Follette by 5,378 votes in the Republican primary and went on to beat
Democrat Howard McMurray by 251,658 votes in the general election. The
Communist Party of Wisconsin had originally circulated petitions to
place its own candidate on the ballot as an independent in the general
election. When McCarthy scored his surprising victory over La
Follette, the communists did not file the petitions for their
candidate, but rallied instead behind McMurray. Thus, Joe McCarthy
defeated a Democratic-Communist Party coalition in 1946.

Q. Had Joseph McCarthy ever spoken out against communism prior to his
famous speech in Wheeling, West Virginia in 1950?

A. Those who contend that McCarthy stumbled across communism while
searching for an issue to use in his 1952 re-election campaign will be
disappointed to know that the senator had been speaking out against
com

Re: [CTRL] ENEMY OF THE STATE

[Kenn Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

I second this emotion. Good movie. It's about a surveillance system that, 
unfortunately, it doesn't name.
The system is ECHELON, and despite Roger Ebert's assessment that the movie's premise 
is too paranoid to be
real, it is real. There's a group called Free Congress that working for congressional 
hearings on it at:

http://www.freecongress.org/ctp/echelon.html

Also, three Brits and a New Zealander were recently beheaded in barabric Chechnya who 
were videotaped before
their deaths confessing they were there for the purpose of setting up an ECEHELON 
satellite aerial. For more
info, go to:

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/98/12/11/x-timfgnrus01001.html?2511651

kt

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[CTRL] ENEMY OF THE STATE

[Michael Estes]

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For all you conspiracy fans, be sure to see ENEMY OF THE STATE. Guaranteed to make you 
feel very secure.

ME

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Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust

[L. Shipton]

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SO   What you imply is that anyone that asks for the truth is protecting the
Jews.
May I refer you to history?
Research Charlemagne, Napoleon, then go to the period in history prior to
the first
world war.
Charlemagne
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/WORLD.HTM
read his letter from:
Medieval Sourcebook: Charlemagne: Letter to Baugaulf of Fulda, c.780-800


Charlemagne: "De Litteris Colendis"
This letter illustrates Charlemagne's concern to promote learning in his
empire.

Then think, have you ever heard of people saying to not intellectualize the
Bible?
I have!

Religions are not cults.  They are ways of defining how hard you intend
to work at education and the protection of the young that result from the
union of male and female.
When people went from hunter / wanderer TO farmer / animal husbandry they
suddenly had to make a decision.  Why?
Depending on where they lived and the examples from the animal kingdom
on the protection of young.  Once they realized how babies were made and the
cause and effect of that union of female and male, they had to decide how
they were going to format their tribe, kingdom, etc.
What examples did they have?  Whales that take care of any and all young
to Lions that eat the offspring of the previous inseminator.  So, the format
was based on their geological location.  What animals are / were there in
Siberia?  Should I mention a talisman of most of the Native Americans - the
Eagle who mated for life?  When those people went into that area and
Dictators took over they would have based things on a format of a dominate
male.  Other areas?  Well with horses it is the lead mare that the herd
follows, in elephants the female again.  What would happen when a blood
thirsty race that believed in sacrificing young met one that believed in
protecting young.  It is not that one is technologically superior to the
other one, or that one of the races is more evolved.

The story from the Bible that Jesus protected the children, Jews that
require education and have no bastards, Confucius that taught the Orientals
to bury their dead.

So what was happening to the Jewish Religion at that time if Mary was
pregnant and thrown out?  True story or not, what were they saying about the
times?  That there were some (even in the Jewish religion) that had changed?
Was Jesus born into the True Jewish Religion?  The one of the Old Testament.
The one that where if your husband died, his brother was required to help
raise the children?  Where the children were protected NO Matter What!

Stop thinking that the "professionals" have all the answers.  Look at
their education.  Bush that got through school on daddies money.
The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush - Online at
   http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table
Clinton that supposedly had such high grades?  Even IF he did do you know
what Lawyers think of their own?
under 8) History on my home page
Help Return The Law To A Learned Profession -
http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/burch_speech.html
This is a message that many were trying to get out.  Slaves no matter what
were a obligation.  Texas reinstated slavery (check this yourself - I have
not been able to get the exact dates yet - this is just my thought) about
the same time that Mexico freed it's slaves.  Does anyone realized that
Cannibalism was / is still a fact in South America?  That during that time
there was a bounty on scalps and a black scalp was as good as any other?
How to protect the blacks?  Ask other states to help them keep slavery out?
Many would have come in to scalp the free blacks themselves!  When Mexico
freed it's slaves and by that made it so that they were not worth the $2000
that was paid for slaves in the main part of the United States, what they
said is that they could eat or be eaten or starve like anyone else!  Many of
the original settlers had to have seen that there was only one way to keep
their obligations.  The War Between the States?  Granted some slaves became
free if they went North But who made a lot of money off of those
plantations?  The big businesses in the North?  The sale and transportation
of Cotton.

 Lincoln was killed after he undermined the Constitution.  I do not think
that was his intent, but once it was done they did not want it undone.

I am still working on part two of the original essay on this but right
now life calls and I need to do some mundane work called washing clothes.
Check out the facts with a open mind.  Oh yes, Kennedy's assassination - to
have people not look at the fact of what those students were trying to say,
What John Denver tried to say in his songs.  They tried to take it apart
through some of Lennin's songs.

It is not one world order that is wanted.  We will go from cloning to
synthesizing to replicating (like Star Trek) at that time what will the coin
of greatest value be?
Knowledge, Histo

[CTRL] Alert: E-MAIL bug, HTML virus

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998
 Subj: Mike Elgan's Win Letter 25

 NETBUS

A hacker utility called "Netbus" sports a "Linda Tripp"
feature that enables hackers to bug your office. Netbus
is freely available on the Internet and consists of
separate server and client programs. Hackers can name
the server program anything they like (say, joke.exe)
and send it to victims as an e-mail attachment. If you
open the program, your computer becomes controllable
in specific ways by anyone with the Netbus client.
Hackers could then use the microphone attached to
your computer to record meetings and phone conversations
you might be having! In addition, they can take
screenshots of your computer screen and transfer any
file to and from your computer.

Get more information and the fix here:

 http://w1.361.telia.com/~u36106214/netbus/indexenglish.html

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 Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998
 Subj: Mike Elgan's Win Letter 24

 UTILITY WATCH

  Beware of the Internet's first HTML virus! Discovered
  in a Russian lab associated with Central Command,
  the virus, called "HTML.Internal, replicates itself
  inside every HTML document it can find. The virus
  only works in Microsoft Internet Explorer after the
  security settings have been changed from the default
  settings. HTML.Internal is a script virus, much like
  Winscript.Rabbit. The virus doesn't damage files or
  erase data. But it does use Visual Basic to search for
  and modify other HTML files. Central Command's
  AntiViral Toolkit Pro now detects and fixes
  HTML.Internal. And you can download a 30-day
  fully functional trial version from the company's
  web site.

  More about HTML.Internal:

 http://www.avpve.com/viruses/script/internal.html

  Get the trial version of AntiViral Toolkit Pro:

 http://www.avp.com/download/body_download.html

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 Virus Thrives on HTML
 -
 by Chris Oakes, 11.Nov.98

 An old computer invader has found a new place to thrive.

 A virus-monitoring group this week posted a computer
 virus -- called "html.internal" -- that is the first to
 replicate itself through hypertext markup language, or
 HTML, the code that defines the common Web page.

 "Looks like the virus crowd has finally discovered the
 Internet," said Richard Smith of Phar Lap Software.
 "HTML pages are extremely mobile They're intended to
 be given out."

 Other observers point out the demonstration virus

 http://sourceofkaos.com/homes/madokan/internal.html

 requires specific Windows scripting software to carry
 out its task. They maintain that the virus, therefore,
 exposes the vulnerability of the secondary software,
 VisualBasic Script, not plain vanilla Web pages.

 "It draws attention to the power that's available to the
 VBScript programmer," said Jimmy Kuo, director of
 antivirus research at Network Associates.

 A computer virus typically spreads through shared files,
 such as word processing documents or email attachments.
 It most often consists of a program or piece of code
 that runs invisibly on any computer it manages to
 infect. Like any virus, it replicates itself. That
 replication can be threatening in itself if the virus is
 large, since it will quickly fill a computer's memory
 and cause a crash.

 Viruses once depended mainly on floppy disks for their
 travels, but networks have introduced an easier path.

 The HTML virus, created by the Virus Information Center
 and released on Tuesday, was built as a demo and does
 not present a large security risk in and of itself. It
 works through Internet Explorer 4.0 and relies on the
 scripting feature, VBScript, built into the latest
 Microsoft PC operating system, Windows 98. If security
 warnings are ignored, the virus will load via a Web page
 and infect other Web pages on the host computer.

 Protections already built into Internet Explorer 4.0
 would warn users if they encountered the virus, said a
 Microsoft spokeswoman.



 Copyright © 1994-98 Wired Digital Inc.
 All rights reserved.


 http://www.wired.com/news/news/
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[CTRL] Nephilim, Giants, Serpents, Reptilians

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 web links:

 HIDDEN GIANTS - GIANT SKULLS - with museum photos
 Lumir G. Janku
 http://paradigm-sys.com/ae/lib/archeo/skulls.html


 The Nephilim
 Russell W. Sanders
 http://www.harve.com/bible/nephilim.html


 The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race
 Andrew Collins
 http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/42b1.htm
 http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/42b2.htm
 http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/42b3.htm


 The Days of Noah and the "Sons of God"
 R. Dan Woolman
 http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/religare/giants.shtml


 As The Days of Noah Were - Return of the Aliens?
 Chuck Missler
 http://www.ldolphin.org/noahdays.html


 Did Angels Marry Women Before Noah's Flood?
 William F. Dankenbring
 http://triumph.simplenet.com/angelbf.htm


 The Snake in the Garden
 James Montgomery Boice
 http://www.ldolphin.org/satan.html


 The Reptilians: Humanity's Historical Link to the Serpent Race
 Joe Lewels, Ph.D.
 http://www.netizen.org/arc-hive/UFO_0005.TXT


 Reptilian Serpent Dragons
What if most "extraterrestrials" are really.
evolved reptilian terrestrial beings that live underground?
 http://www.reptoids.com/
 http://www.reptoids.com/ind2.htm


 There Were GIANTS in the Earth in Those Days
 William F. Dankenbring
 http://triumph.simplenet.com/giants.htm


 Enoch & the Nephilim - Book chapters
 Liber VII
 http://www.brotherblue.org/libers/enoch0.htm

  1. About the Book of Enoch
  2. Relevant Excerpt from the Book of Enoch
  3. The Evidence Mounts
  4. Who Are the Nephilim?
  5. Sons of God, Daughters of Men
  6. Blavatsky's Theosophical "Secret Doctrine"


 Impression of The Earth Chronicles
 Joseph W. Schultz
 http://www.pufori.org/articles/review_schultz_Impression.htm


 There were Giants on the earth... The Nephilim
 Biblical quotes
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MScheifler/nephilim.htm


 Glossary of the Nefilim in the Bible
 Cyberiad
 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/5467/frmain.htm


 Possible Biblical accounts of an alien race
 Tim Hagemeister
 http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prediction/51/biblical.html


 The fate of the Neanderthals
 Paul Mellars
 http://www.nature.com/server-java/Propub/nature/395539A0.docframe


 Neanderthal Man
 R. Dan Woolman
 http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/events/neanderthal.shtml


 Neanderthal and Nephilim -- Are They the Same ?
 John Denton
 http://triumph.simplenet.com/neander.htm


 Neanderthal = Nephilim? Carbon 14 Dating?
 John Denton
 http://www.ftech.net/~bric/rp.no38.html


 Isis Unveiled
 H. P. Blavatsky
 http://www.halcyon.com/pasadena/isis/iu-hp.htm


 The Secret Doctrine
 H. P. Blavatsky
 http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm

  ARE GIANTS A FICTION?
  http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-16.htm

  CYCLOPEAN RUINS AND COLOSSAL STONES
  AS WITNESSES TO GIANTS.
  http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-20.htm

  GIANTS, CIVILIZATIONS, AND
  SUBMERGED CONTINENTS TRACED IN HISTORY.
  http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-3-07.htm




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Re: [CTRL] Khazaria.......

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 For one account, see (or download) 'the book' from:

 http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

 The Thirteenth Tribe - by Arthur Koestler
 --
 THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE
 Rise and Fall of the Khazars
 ISBN 0-394-40284-7
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A Short History of the Khazars

The following material is from
PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
  by Nathan Ausubel
Crown Publishers, Inc.
 New York, NY, 1953.

 "There is abundant historical evidence that by the time of the
 destruction of Jerusalem there were securely anchored Jewish
 communities in the Hellenistic kingdom of Bosporus in the area where
 the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov flow together... the ancient Jews
 of the Crimea seem to have led a close community life centered in the
 synagogue and in the practices of their religion.  The population of
 the Crimean Jewish communities increased greatly with the centuries
 as a result of a long series of major and minor revolts by the Jews
 against Roman rule, not only in Judea but in their far-flung
 settlements in Egypt, Syria, and Asia Minor.  Thousands of Jewish
 refugees from those parts sought haven in the Bosporus settlements of
 Kerch, Theodosia, Taman, and Anapa.  With the rise of the Christian
 empire of Byzantium the Bosporus settlements, too, fell under its
 sway.  Because Constantinople, the capital of the empire, lay on the
 opposite shore of the Black Sea, the Crimean Jews carried on a lively
 trade with it.  They prospered and attracted many other Jews to
 Crimea from other parts of the empire." -- page 129


 "The Khazars, during the Byzantine era, were an aggregation of
 warlike tribes who, it is conjectured, must have sprung from Hun or
 Turkish stock... With dramatic suddenness the Khazars entered the
 orbit of Jewish life.  One of their khagans (kings), called Bulan,
 was converted to Judaism about the year 740 C.E. and with him went
 the Khazar tribes.  There was a tradition, believed by the Khazars
 themselves, that Bulan decided to become a Jew after he had listened
 to a disputation participated in by an Arab mullah, a Christian
 priest, and a rabbi on the relative merits of Islam, Christianity,
 and Judaism.  A later khagan, Obadiah, who wanted to establish the
 Jewish faith on firmer doctrinal foundation, imported rabbis and
 Talmudic scholars from either Babylonia or the Crimea.  These founded
 synagogues and religious schools where they taught the Torah to the
 Khazar people.

 "The noted Arab geographer and traveller, Ibn Khordadbeh, wrote,
 circa 850, concerning the unusual linguistic abilities of the Jewish
 merchants of Khazaria, "that they speak Persian, Roumanian, Arabic,
 Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic, and that they travel from the west
 to the east and from the east to the west, sometimes by land,
 sometimes by sea.  The great overland trade route from Persia led
 over the mountains of the Caucasus thru the country of the Slavs,
 near the capital of the Khazars... Practically all the little that is
 known about the Khazars is derived from Arabic sources.  The
 indefatigable traveller, Ibn Masudi, gave the following report in
 954: "The population of the Khazar capital consists of Moslems,
 Christians, Jews, and pagans.  The king, his court, and all members
 of the Khazar tribe profess the Jewish religion, which has been the
 dominant faith of the country since the time of the Caliph
 Haroun-al-Rashid.  Many Jews who settled among the Khazars came from
 all the cities of the Moslems and the lands of Byzantium, the reason
 being that the king of Byzantium persecuted the Jews of his empire in
 order to force them to adopt Christianity."

 "It was about Ibn Masudi's time that the power of this unique Jewish
 kingdom began showing signs of crumbling.  This fact is revealed in
 the strange correspondence between the khagan Joseph, the last Jewish
 king of Khazaria, and Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the celebrated Jewish
 vizier to the caliph in southern Spain.  In his letter, Joseph
 informed his fellow Jew in Spain: "...I live at the mouth of the
 river [Volga] and with the help of the Almighty I guard its entrance
 and prevent the Russians who arrive in vessels from passing into the
 Caspian Sea for the purpose of making their way to the Ishmaelites
 [Arabs].  In the same manner, I keep these enemies on land from
 approaching the gates of Bab-al-Abwab.  Because of this, I am at war
 with them, and were I to let them pass but once, they would destroy
 the whole land of the Ishmaelites as far as Bagdad."  Apparently
 nothing the Jews of Khazaria did was sufficient to restrain the
 emerging power of the Russians.  Only several years after the khagan
 Joseph had written his letter, the Russian princes succeeded in
 overrunning Ityl, th

[CTRL] THE RELIGIONS OF THIS WORLD ARE SATANIC!

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 >  Conspiracy Theory:
 from:  http://www.messiah.org/p8610.htm

The blue underlined text in the following statements
 are links to further substantiation behind this Declaration

THE RELIGIONS OF THIS WORLD
ARE SATANIC!

 LOVE is the highest standard by which everything is to be measured,
 determined, built, and understood.

   AS THE MESSIAH,
WE HAVE COME TO END THIS TRAGEDY, THIS GLOBAL HERESY.

 The World's religions are dismal and dangerous failures -- Satanic
 because of their dualisms, their unnatural psychological polarities
 and extremes that violate the nature and reality of living things
 -- Satanic because of the heinous and imprisoning invention of
 original Sin, a significantly injurious perjury being one of the
 most sinister and insidious of enforced accusations and
 condemnations imposed upon the world to denigrate the human
 understanding of itself and its destiny, demeaning in conjunction
 the true nature and only expectation of GOD which is LOVE --
 Satanic because of the obligatory worship of despotic gods most all
 of which are captured within their respective scripture personally
 employing or petitioning murderous violence or ruinous threat to
 exact worship from the easily vanquished and/or browbeaten -- and
 Satanic because of the corruption of meanings, especially that of
 LOVE, and the subsequent erosion occurring within human thinking
 where its destiny and that of the planet must come to an
 annihilative end as if a glorious spiritual requisite of sound mind
 to begin anew -- SATANIC, being the concise and fitting appellative
 defining the worst product of human ideation ever perpetrated upon
 the impressionable minds of children, unwitting innocence gladly
 offered up to be sacrificed upon the altar marking the atrocities
 paraded as spiritual understanding and truth within any given
 culture embracing insane forms of devotion kindred to the above.
 For parental love and societal approval, the compliant mind of a
 child is quickly targeted, easily conditioned, to carry these
 phrenic deviations forever forward, forever routing into spiritual
 peril or calamitous ruin the impressionable minds of yet another
 generation -- SATANIC, as if it all were strangely and
 strategically deliberate.

 Judaism, especially, is the world's one great tragedy, most
 certainly because of its abandonment of the ONE TRUE GOD, 'ELOHIM,
 'ELOHIM*'AH_VAH, carelessly substituted for the false god and
 serpentine ba'al, YHWH, YHWH_SATAN, whose insufferable braggadocio
 repeatedly broadcast in relentless claims of godhood is matched
 only by His need to prove it through terror, plague, destruction
 and/or outright murder. YHWH_SATAN, for His violent demand
 decreeing incessant worship and glorification coupled with His sick
 insatiable need for gifts of blood, holocaust of once living being,
 serving-up more than sufficient evidence to the clear-minded that
 this monster is certainly Not GOD. What then is it? It is because
 of this, Judaism's worship of YHWH_SATAN through the false prophet
 and heretic Moses, the one who sold the children of Yis_ra'EL to
 uphold a lesser calling; because of its worship and adulation of
 the physical and fallen Torah which magnifies and glorifies these
 heresies including that of the provoked and lauded destruction,
 slander and intolerance of other cultures (e.g. the Canaanites);
 because of the Orthodox acceptance and compliance with the
 provocative angel, SATAN, seen as a viable and necessary servant of
 YHWH instigating loyalty, obedience or absence thereof through the
 employment of cruel suffering or deceit (like the deceit that was
 planted in the Garden), the fraudulent fruit of binary/diametrical
 thinking where human judgment and subsequent action is weighed and
 balanced in two incompatible rooms of ideation and delineation, a
 desert pathos woefully attempting to define human origins, bodily
 functions, and the governance of behavior from which rises the
 horrifically polarizing belief in that of the "evil inclination"
 (including that of marital copulation) which, like a distinct
 entity, vies for one's devotional time from time better spent with
 the "good inclination" responsible for clarifying the reality of
 this dubious reasoning; or because of the subtle and dangerous
 advocacy to satisfy once again the primary requisite of the fallen
 Torah, this being the reinstatement of the most heinous demonic
 practice, blood sacrifice, within a rebuilt Temple of perpetually
 spilled blood to temporarily quell the condemnation of death
 accompanying the invention of Sin -- Judaism, under the guise of
 the select and pretense of higher intelligence (in contrast to
 the lesser goyim), is the ultimate failure because of itself, its
 Biblically upheld Temple witchcraft and blood talismans, and the
 horrific tragedies of Christianity an

[CTRL] GLOBAL WAR ALERT

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: Spirit Of Truth Page 
 To:   Spirit Of Truth Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98
 Subject:  GLOBAL WAR ALERT


*** GLOBAL WAR ALERT ***

   By J. Adams
  Updated: December 18th, 1998

   The *Spirit Of Truth* Page
   http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/
 --

"Take heed, watch;  for you do not know when the time will
   come.  It is like a man going on a journey,  when he leaves
   home and puts his servants in charge,  each with his  work,
   and  commands  the  doorkeeper  to  be on the watch.  Watch
   therefore- for you do not know when the master of the house
   will come,  in the evening,  or  at  midnight,  or  at  the
   cockcrow, or in the morning- lest he come suddenly and find
   you asleep.  And what I say to you I say to all: Watch."

(Mark, chp.13; vs.33-37)

 --

  This article consists of the following twelve parts:

   1. The Developing Situation
  2. The Grand Supercycle Peak
  3. The Crash
4. The Deception
5. The New World Disorder
 6. A Right-Wing Coup In Moscow
   7. The Balkan Trap
 8. The Korean Diversion
   9. Saddam's Revenge
  10. Russia's "Last Dash To The South"
   11. False Peace In The Middle East
  12. The Truth

 --
 For related materials to this article,
 see my Global War Articles at-

 http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/content.htm
 --

THE DEVELOPING SITUATION

 In the articles I have been writing and placing  on  the  internet
 for several years, a warning of an approaching crash that will involve
 an outbreak of global war  is  outlined  that  appears  to  be  highly
 relevant to the world's current situation.

 First off,  stock prices have climbed dramatically in recent years
 toward  a  *Grand Supercycle* peak that has been at least 200 years in
 the making.  This peak is likely being reached at the current juncture
 as the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) trades around 9000 and  the
 Nasdaq Composite trades above 2000.

 As  we  have  approached this historic turning point over the past
 several years, the West has been gradually lured into a trap by Moscow
 using  historical Russian allies and the United Nations.  The stage is
 set such that America and its military allies, who have sought to take
 on the role of world policeman,  could soon be  drawn  into  conflicts
 with Russian allies-of-old like Iraq, the Serbs and North Korea.

 Meanwhile,  the political situation in Moscow has become extremely
 fragile.  The breakdown of Russian society,  Boris Yeltsin's  reported
 health  problems,  Russia's  blunders  in  Chechnya  and  the supposed
 growing popular support for nationalist and communist political forces
 are setting the stage for a military coup in Moscow.  Thus, one way or
 another, an unprecedented international crisis is likely to erupt soon
 that should involve a bogus right-wing coup in Moscow and an  outbreak
 of global war.

 So that you are fully aware of our current predicament,  below  is
 an  overview  of  where  the world stands today and where it is likely
 going tomorrow. Effectively, this is nothing but an updated version of
 the ideas presented in my previous articles.  While the general  theme
 of what I'm anticipating remains the same,  as new information becomes
 available, the details often change.


THE GRAND SUPERCYCLE PEAK

 Since   America's   birth   around   200  years  ago,   collective
 expectations have been climbing higher and higher. Rising expectations
 have  fed  an  almost  continuous  general  rise  in   stock   prices.
 Unfortunately, since history moves in large-scale cycles, the odds are
 that the uptrend is eventually going to come to a dramatic end.

 In  the  wake of an initial peak during over the summer,  the DJIA
 and  Nasdaq  Composite  broke  to  new  all-time   highs   above   the
 psychologically  significant  9000 and 2000 marks,  respectively.  The
 ingredients are now in place for an Elliott  Wave  "Grand  Supercycle"
 peak in stock prices.

 For expert Elliott Wave analysis, see-

   http://www.elliottwave.com

 The recent surge in stock prices above D

[CTRL] New CIA Documents On Clinton Crypto Scandal

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from alt.politics.org.cia
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New CIA Documents On
Clinton Crypto Scandal
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Subject: New CIA Documents On Clinton Crypto Scandal
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, Dec 15, 1998 3:01 AM
Message-id: <755fi7$tqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19981215_xcsof_give_it_to.shtml

The CIA has released new documents written in 1996 showing Vice
President Al Gore ordered the CIA to enforce strict controls on
mass market security software for personal computers.

The documents were discovered at the Department of Commerce and
were released by the CIA in response to a Freedom of Information
(FOIA) request.  The CIA documents are two memos written by CIA
Director John Deutch to President Clinton and Vice President Al
Gore.

The CIA reports detail Federal government efforts to monitor
computer communications such as email, using a technique to
secretly intercept and decode any messages.  According to the
CIA Director, the back-door keys were to be held by "key
recovery agents" licensed by the Commerce Department.

According to one document, a memo written by CIA Director
Deutch, Gore ordered the CIA to tell the Commerce Department to
take a "tougher approach to licensing."  The memo states Gore
ordered the CIA to "tighten the control regime for encryption
products that do not support key recovery."

Janet Reno, according to Deutch, took a much harder line,
supporting an all out Federal take-over of the industry.  The
Justice Department, proposed "legislation that would ... ban the
import and domestic manufacture, sale or distribution of
encryption that does not have key recovery."

The CIA Director, backed by the Commerce Department, rejected
the Reno proposals in favor of a so called "middle of the road
approach."  According to the CIA, "We have rejected the policy
option of mandatory control because we believe legislation to
ban use of encryption in private communications will not be
adopted here or abroad, notably in Germany and Japan."

The memos include the CIA Director's blank copy of a
Presidential executive order that was later signed by President
Clinton in November, 1996.  The CIA written executive order
transferred control of encryption technology to the Commerce
Department.  The order transferred authority for both mass media
software and formerly military items such as radios, and
satellite telemetry systems hardened against atomic warfare.

Mass media encryption software is freely available over the
Internet and sold in retail outlets.  There are currently NO
domestic regulations covering the private or business use of
security software in the United States.  The software is used to
protect medical, financial and personal information.

The Clinton administration considers such PC software to be a
threat.  Law enforcement claims encryption technology could be
used by criminals and terrorists.  The Clinton administration
considers mass market software a "munition" and strictly
controls exports with felony charges backed by the Department of
Justice.

Clinton's plan was to force U.S. computer makers to build
back-doors into their products in order to obtain an export
license.  The CIA Director wrote to Clinton, "Our principle
lever is exports controls, which can influence industry because
it seeks to develop products that work worldwide.  Thus, our
proposal would ease export controls in exchange for industry
commitment to build key recovery products and supporting
infrastructure."

Clearly, the Clinton administration was aware of the futile
operation to control PC software available in the retail market.
The CIA report detailing the imposition of strict controls
contradicts an earlier May, 1996, Commerce Department document.

The May 1996 Commerce document details a meeting with the CIA,
FBI and Department of Justice.  The document states "Efforts to
maintain tight controls on encryption in the 'Internet age' lack
credibility, threaten to impose real costs on U.S. industry and,
its competitiveness, and are becoming a political embarrassment
for the Administration."

According to the 1996 Commerce document, "Lost in the debate,
but not irrelevant, is the fact that it is virtually
impossible to enforce export control's against them when they
can be exported by phone and modem or/in someone's pocket."

Clearly, it is far easier to control multi-million dollar
military grade items than low cost PC software.  Rare or hard to
build electronics such as radiation hardened, encrypted,
telemetry control for satellites, are not available to the
general public nor would they be of much use.  Military
communications, such as secure satellite control systems, are
built to withstand the intense radiation of space or nuclear
warfare.

There is no doubt that the Chinese military sought such items
for their strategic nuclear forces.  For example, in February
1996, a Chinese Long March rocket crashed with a high tech Loral
Intelsat sate

[CTRL] 400 CIA fronts listed in new book

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400 CIA fronts listed in
new book
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Subject: 400 CIA fronts listed in new book
From: "H. Michael Sweeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, Dec 17, 1998 8:29 AM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For feeding CIA interests, there are over 400 CIA fronts listed in my
new book, along with other Intel related matters.  No classified
information is released, but it might make a convenient reference -- and
might come in handy if you trip a wire or two in your travels and need
to defend yourself from "spooks" in the night.

H. Michael Sweeney, Author
The Professional Paranoid
How to fight back if followed, surveilled, stalked, investigated, or
harassed by any person, group, or agency





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[CTRL] Soviet Psychotronic Disinformatzya and Info-War

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Soviet Psychotronic
Disinformatzya and Info-War
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Subject: Soviet Psychotronic Disinformatzya and Info-War
From: "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 8:09 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject:  Sarfatti Lectures in Soviet Psychotronic
Disinformation and Hacker/Info-War

Date:  Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:36:02 -0800

Advanced Intelligence Agency
Memorandum for the Record

Sarfatti Lectures in Info-War

Sample of badly written disinformation in the field of
"psychotronic weaponry" from the former Soviet Union.
"Coyle" and "Muzhensky" not at presently identified by
conventional means or by remote-viewing. :
Note, the latter part of this document apparently from
Russia is very important for hackers and people interested
in "INFO WAR". Unfortunately, the beginning is likely to
throw people off. I am deleteing a lot of the original. This
is a very important document of both information and
disinformation. The "theory" dealing with "physics" is
nonsense. But the biology, brain science, and social
political remarks are interesting and should not be ignored.

Mike Coyle wrote:

[biotro01.txt]

 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:06:56 -0800
 From: 
 Organization: XX
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Got your message

 From: Vladimir Muzhesky

 From Psychotronic Warfare to Biotronic Materials (excerpts)

"Psychotronic generators are units which, by definition,
refer to the activity of the human nervous system as much as
they are intended to modify the sequences of individual and
collective behavior on the informational level.

In accordance with the opposing expert group's
interpretation, millions of rubles of the Soviet state
budget were spent producing multiple copies of nonexistent
field generator dummies. Some saw in it a brilliant money
laundering operation, some criminal unprofessionalism.
Amidst hot debates, experts had to reach the compromised
definition of psychotronic warfare pragmatism.

[
Functionally, psychotronics was subdivided on psychological
and enio- or bioinformational warfare. Both of them are
relatively close to each other because they are based on
related studies and share many research objectives. Thus, it
was agreed to understand the term, psychotronic warfare, as
military exploitation of bioinformational technologies and
its technological reinforcement complexes.

Migrating under varying ideological pressures, pioneers of
psychotronics had to switch from one scientific field to
another collecting integral expertise, usually in three to
four scientific disciplines.  Psychotronic research,
therefore, was interdisciplinary by definition.

What the State Defense Committee expected psychotronics to
become was slightly more pragmatic: principally innovative
weaponry

As a related weapon system, ray weaponry was defined as the
system of weapons based on the powerful sources of
electromagnetic, acoustic laser, and other types of energy
generators. The first devices were quite simple: the
emission was used to destroy this or that system in  the
human body. The ensuing development produced results that
are more sophisticated: the ray of energy was modulated in
accordance with certain biosystem parameters which impose
irreversible transformative regimes on the system. For
example, the generation of ultrasound frequencies which
resonate with the oscillation patterns of inner organs,
cause acute pain and can result in lethal injuries."

[Jack Sarfatti]
This is getting interesting.

"In the beginning of 1992, a group of scientists from the
Rostov  Medical Institute and the Biotechnology Research
Institute, directly associated with psychotronic programs,
put forward a petition demanding the elimination of the use
and production of psychotronic generators. These
institutions had at least a decade of experience of
research in the sphere of the alteration of biological
tissue resistance under the conditions of co-axis influence
of electromagnetic and high frequency radiation. In
practice, the application of their research, which made them
shut down any further investigation, was the possibility of
the remote manipulatory access to the structuring level of
the environments of human organisms.

Many sources name Kiev as one of the centers of psychotronic
research.  It was one location of a few state funded and
independent research groups. Stahovsky-Beridze, one of the
independent research leaders, devoted his research to the
creation of a technological basis for the support and
development of human interactions with weak ecological
planetary environments. To the same extent that this man was
a genius, his son was an unlucky salesman: after the death
of his father in 1982, at the age of fifty-two , which it
was claimed had been caused by the extensive use of his
machines, Stahovsky-Beridze jr. was desperately trying to
sell his father's revelations. In one of those attempts he
visited my

[CTRL] Republican History

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Republican History 
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Subject: Republican History
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JackH35785)
Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 4:31 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The Republican's never learn.

Many of you are folks who may be too young or not informed about the
activities
of the Republican Party after WW2, or the early 50's.

What we are seeing going on now in Congress with these impeachment proceedings
has a parallel, or a "dejavous" of what happened in 1954 which led to the
Republican's loss of control of the House for forty (40) years until 1994.

Why would the American voters reject a Party with such intensity and fury for
so long?

The House Republican's in the early 50's had made the foolish mistake of
embracing an "Inquisition" into the loyalty of the citizens by a man called
McCarthy. With the election of a "National Hero" Dwight Eisenhower, the
Republican controlled House thought they had an "ally" with Eisenhower. So the
"McCarthy Hearings" went "full steam ahead" because the Republican's were
furious with the "populism" of the  "New Deal" of Franklin Roosevelt, who was
elected and re-elected 4 times, and so now they could now seek retribution
(revenge) for all this "populist" President stood for.

The McCarthy "Inquisition" was NOT popular with the American people but, as
today, the Republican House ignored this point. Eisenhower, however was
getting
the "heat" from the voters about the Republican House "Inquisition" because he
was going to be up for re-election in 1956.

McCarthy was CENSORED and he would live a life ident in 1954.

In 1954 the Republican Congress was rejected by the voters and they payed for
their perfidy for forty years.

The Republican's never learn.

They will be rejected in the year 2000. This will be the price they once again
pay for their folly.

Jack
Reg. Republican
64' Goldwater Campaign District Chairman

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Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Reverse Speech

[Hilary Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hmm...why is it that the reversals mentioned here take so much longer to
repeat than the orginal forward message?  It isn't adding up.

Hilary


-Original Message-
From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 9:48 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [exploration] Fwd: [CAUS updates] - President's


>
>Message http://www.egroups.com/list/exploration/?start=2003
>>
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>> In a message dated 98-12-18 14:39:12 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> << SIR >>
>>
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:34:07 EST
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [CAUS updates] -  President's Speech Reversals --Iraq, UFOs and
Other
>> Matters
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>> Dear CAUS Members:
>>
>> CAUS has received the following report from Ken Welch.  Since CAUS
believes
>> that Reverse Speech can be a powerful tool in uncovering the truth, it is
>> asking its members, who have the expertise in this area, to help confirm
Mr.
>> Welch's findings and conclusions.  All comments are appreciated.  It
appears
>> that events are moving at an accelerated pace:
>>
>>- FLASH NEWS -
>>
>> Speech reversals from a  Presidential press conference yesterday
>> (Thursday 12/17)  indicate that a  U-2 FLIGHT OVER IRAQ TO ASSESS BOMB
>> DAMAGE  ENCOUNTERED TWO OR MORE UFO'S - and that this event was
>> the cause of serious  concern.
>>
>> Method:  Speech reversing software
>>
>> Source:  Recorded from Internet, very high level of background noise,
>> required significant processing to clarify reversals.
>>
>> Circumstances:  During a press conference, the President was asked
>> how he would respond to those suggesting the attack on Iraq was
>> merely a means of delaying impeachment proceedings.  Because it was
>> hoped his answer would be revealing on this issue, his response was
>> recorded and analyzed.   Results contained a surprise!
>>
>> Normal  speech:  This is the statement you heard on the news all
>> day, which begins "That it's not true.  That what I did was the right
>> thing for the country.  I don't think any serious person would..."
>> The segment l reviewed runs for slightly over a minute.  General
>> topic is timing, reasons, and current information about military
>> operations in Iraq.
>>
>> Reversals:
>>
>> I CHOOSE IT
>> A LOSING BATTLE
>> YOU NEED YOUR MONTH
>> AND HEAL THE NEWS
>> GET IT OUT - WITH NEWT - DISCUSS IT - CLEANER
>> A MOVIE SONG - THAT'S BAD   (ref: Wag The Dog)
>> HARRIS TEST (ref: Polling organization)
>> OH SHIT
>> AND THE PRICE WAS
>> FIGHT A WAR
>> [sounds like] PERISH THE THOUGHT
>> LEADERSHIP
>> LOOK - THAT'S WRONG  (about answering)
>> CHECKMATE  " "
>> BLUE SKY NOW  " "
>> I MISSED IT " "
>> THIS NEXT GAL WILL FIX IT (reporter)
>> DISMISS IT " "
>> MY DECISION - ABSOLUTE
>> CLEAN UP - THEIR HAN(DS)
>> YES SIR
>>  * THAT'S ANOTHER U.F.O.
>>  * ONE DAY LATER [may ref: Ramadan or a prev.  UFO]
>> [sounds like] FULL OF CHRISTIANS  [Ramadan?]
>> PEACE   [Ramadan Holy Month?]
>> ---
>> FIGHT - REPUBLICANS
>> (a few more on  this theme)
>> ---
>> ENERGY
>> TO GO SOUTH WITH IT
>> THEY ARGUED
>> TELL THE POLL
>>  * THEY SAID THEY HAD HUMANS
>>(humans is very clear, but could be "had you" or BOTH..
>> ABUSE IT
>> HEAD 'EM OFF
>> THEY OWE YOU
>>  * U-2 JET ACE
>>  * FUCK
>>  * SEVERAL U.F.O.s
>>  * SHIT
>>  * TERRIBLE
>>  * THEY MISS IT
>>  * HE'LL BE THAT RED PHONE
>>  * SPACE SHIP
>>  * MAKE A CALL
>>  * [sounds like] YOU'VE LIVED WITH IT
>>  * THAT TIME
>>  * THEY'RE TRAVELING
>> DAMN THE PROFIT
>> CALL THE OIL...
>> THIS HOUSE TONIGHT  (a meeting?)
>> * THE GHOST IS MARTIAN [COULD BE MARCHIN']
>>
>> Conclusions:
>>
>> 1.  Overall IRAQ situation is about OIL, and oil profits.  (Prices
>> down seriously right now).  References to oil leases were 

[CTRL] Mettle?

[Hilary Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hm...is this the work of the Firth Column as associated with Chuck
Hayes?

Hilary
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-Original Message-
From: Alamaine Ratliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 8:53 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Mettle?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>>From Wash (DC) Post (via Drudge):
>
>Livingston Won't Serve as Speaker
>
>Saturday, December 19, 1998; 9:53 a.m. EST
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep. Bob Livingston said today he would not serve as the
>next House speaker and will leave Congress next year. He apologized for
>having engaged in extramarital affairs.
>
>``I must set the example that I hope President Clinton will follow. ... I
>will not stand for speaker of the House on January 6 but rather will remain
>as backbencher in this House I love so much,'' Livingston said as the House
>fell silent. He said would quit Congress after six months.
>
>``I was prepared to lead our narrow majority as speaker and I believe I had
>.. to do a fine job, but I cannot do that job.''
>
>Livingston began his speech by calling on Clinton to resign after being
>impeached, but then said he could not do so unless he, too, resigned.
>
>Livingston, 55, was nominated without opposition to succeed Newt Gingrich
>as speaker on Nov. 18. Gingrich had stunned the House with his resignation
>on Nov. 7.
>
>The first indications that Livingston's quest to lead the House may face
>new hurdles arose as the House impeachment debate unfolded.
>
>The Thursday night revelation by Livingston, R-La., that he had ``on
>occasion strayed from my marriage'' was only hinted at on the House floor
>during the day-long debate.
>
>``We are now at the height of a cycle of the politics of negative attacks,
>character assassination, personal smears of good people,'' said House
>Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.
>
>But as rumors hurtled around the Capitol about details of the affairs,
>Livingston met with several conservatives who were rethinking their support
>of the 55-year-old Louisianan,
>
>``We ought to ask questions ... rather than circle the wagons for one of
>our tribe,'' Rep. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., said in an interview. He said he
>would spend Christmas ``struggling'' over whether to support Livingston.
>
>Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., also said Republicans should re-examine
>Livingston's fitness to be speaker.
>
>``You can't criticize the president's behavior as being unacceptable and
>then not consider this as material, just ignore this and brush it aside,''
>he said
>
>Several other conservatives, speaking on condition of anonymity, said once
>the House impeachment debate is over, they will think about whether
>Livingston should take over when the 106th Congress is sworn in on Jan. 6.
>
>Livingston's problem is intensified by the narrow GOP margin in the next
>House: just 223-211, plus one independent who usually votes with Democrats.
>If just six Republicans refuse to support him for speaker, he would lack
>the 218 votes needed to be elected -- assuming the Democrats and
>independent vote against him.
>
>Outside the chamber, many Republicans -- and some Democrats -- said
>Livingston's infidelities were a personal matter and he remained qualified
>to become speaker. Livingston said Thursday night his wife of 33 years,
>Bonnie, and his four grown children have forgiven him.
>
>``His stature, because of the way he handled himself, was enhanced,'' said
>Rep. John Sununu, R-N.H.
>
>``I think they're none of our business,'' Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., a
>Livingston friend, said of the infidelities. ``Anybody who knows Bob
>Livingston and Bonnie knows they are two first-rate human beings.''
>
>Other Democrats, however, said the episode showed Republican inconsistency
>in judging Clinton and Livingston.
>
>``It shows their partisan rancor, where they're quick to forgive and forget
>Mr. Livingston's infidelities yet seem hellbent for going after the
>president,'' said Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I.
>
>Livingston allies said they detected no deterioration of support.
>
>But some Republicans worried the episode could hurt Livingston if he does
>become speaker.
>
>Bachus said Republicans must learn when and to what extent Livingston
>engaged in extramarital affairs. He said he also wants to know why
>Livingston did not disclose this when he began running for speaker last
>month, knowing that the House soon would be considering impeachment.
>
>Liv

Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

[Hilary Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

It's romantic to think that we fought a war to end slavery but, that was
just an emotional "theme" to rally around.  The Civil War was over economics
pure and simple.

Hilary

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 12/18/98 11:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< I think that we fought a terrible and bloody Civil War to end
> slavery. And I doubt the suffragettes who fought for the women's vote
> thought the process was either reasonable or "peaceful."
>
>
>
>
> sno0wl >>
>
>
>Way to go, SnoOwl.  Prudy
>
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Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

[E Mael]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>PS I know that Prudy will respond with "well why didn't we get Bush?"
>because
>that's the only mantra she knows to ward off the evil that surrounds
>Clinton.
>The answer is that he was TOO powerful and had TOO MUCH money.  I don't
>like
>it and never will but let us effect change NOW before it is too late,
>CLINTON
>is president NOW not BUSH.  Will we always dwell in the past?  Why not
>just
>sit back like idiots and dream of the days of glory under Kennedy instead
>of
>actually doing something?  It is stupid that is why.
>PPS I have nothing against Prudy or other Clinton and democrat supporters
>EXCEPT that they refuse to see the truth, It is not personal.
>Have a nice day?


the only difference between the republicrats and the democans is that the
republicrats can afford to make sure that those whose silence have been
bought, stay bought. they keep that power because they have and continue
to rob the country blind. you are being just a little narrow, jumping on
the 'hang clinton' bandwagon. i expected more from you teo. the whole
damned system needs to be hanged. i, for one, would not rub elbows with
republicrat scum, no matter what clinton did. and not that i am
particularly for clinton either. if history does him any justice; bush
will go down on history as one of the biggest criminal assholes to ever
walk this planet, a free man. and there are plenty more like him. i want
to see clinton hanged for his crimes but hang him for the real thing, not
this made up, so-called case against him. and while we are at it, let's
hang the whole system wherein the real criminals are not in jail but
running and ruining, our lives from wash. dc.

hang em all

chris

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[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: additonal communique/Dagobert

[RoadsEnd]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Corey Wicks)

I cannot pretend to speak on behalf of Dr. Habsburg. He speaks eloquently
enough for himself. My correspondence with the Archduke is brief and is
part of a correspondence that I have had with several members of royalty in
Europe and various monarchist organizations.

First of all, restoring monarchies in individual countries is not the same
as restoring the Holy Roman Empire. If the monarchy would be restored in
Austria it would not likely be Otto that would be entroned. However, his
son Karl may be someone to consider in this regard. Last I heard he had his
own gameshow on Austrian television and was quite popular. However, as a
member of the Imperial family he is banned from entering politics. [Last I
heard I believe Austria was considering repealing the "Habsburg Law"] It
remains to be seen whether the old Imperial lands of Hungary and Bohemia
support a Habsburg restoration in their lands.

By the way, Prince Karl Schwarzenburg, who owns a large castle in downtown
Prague, scoffed at the idea of a Habsburg restoration when I presented him
with the idea. HSH Prince Hans-Adam II, Sovereign of Leichtenstein, held a
wait-and-see attitude.

Obviously a restored Holy Roman Empire would benefit the Vatican so it
wouldn't surprise me if members of Opus Dei did support the idea. The
Catholic notion of "The Social Reign of Our Lord" is a monarchist one. But
I don't have any good "intelligence" on Opus Dei with respect to which
claimants they might support.


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>In a message dated 12/19/98 2:59:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< I have personally corresponded with Archduke Otto von Habsburg. What makes
> you think that the Vatican supports a monarchist restoration of the Holy
> Roman Empire with the Habsburgs at the head?
>  >>
>
>Since you have been in contact with him perhaps you can tell us what it is
>that he has to say about it?  I believe it may in fact be a goal of the
Church
>to reestablish political power in a world that is moving increasingly towards
>secularism, they want to retain some power, and the time would be now with
the
>EU coming into being, to return the monarchies to power under the church's
>authority.  This could easily be the work of the Opus Dei, IMO.
>Teo1000
>
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Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

[RoadsEnd]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 12/19/98 9:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>CLINTON
>is president NOW not BUSH.

 I say Mr. Bush is farther-up the puppet-master line. Clinton is more patsy
than president, MHO. The impeachment proceedings are very destructive to our
body politic/republic, that is why it is being proceeded along partisan lines.
The federal government, excepting the few mavericks, has been highly corrupt
for years and our idealism is used against us.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do not care for Clinton, voted third party, but
this 'dumbing down' of presidential impeachment and orchestrated scandal is
downright funky and is not in the republic best interest.

Clinton is much more captive, gee, do you think that anyone might have any
blackmailable info on Billy-boy? Let us get real , get beyond our own partisan
viewpoint and stand back to see the 'big picture'.

Partisan impeachment is divisive on its face; Disgusting in  its wake and
destructive for our institutions.

Om
K

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[CTRL] Nevada desert is promising site for nuke waste -US

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Nevada desert is promising site for nuke waste -US

By Patrick Connole

WASHINGTON, Dec 18 (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Energy said on Friday
that Yucca Mountain in the Nevada desert was a ``promising'' site for becoming
the nation's permanent nuclear waste repository, pending more research on its
safety.

By calling it ``promising,'' the agency rejected pleas from environmental
groups to disqualify Yucca Mountain. Those groups have cited research showing
that groundwater could be contaminated by radioactive waste during the
thousands of years the nuclear fuel would remain highly radioactive.

DOE released its first detailed analysis on the potential waste site in a
long-awaited viability assessment. The agency said that if it were eventually
approved, the site would cost some $19 billion to build and monitor.

``DOE believes that Yucca Mountain remains a promising site for a geologic
repository and that work should proceed to support a decision in 2001 on
whether to recommend the site to the president for development as a
repository,'' the DOE said.

For the site to be recommended, the agency said it must still demonstrate that
a repository can be designed and built at Yucca Mountain that would protect
the public and the environment.

The waste site would become the home for some 70,000 metric tons of spent
radioactive fuel rods from nuclear power plants, and additional waste from
production of nuclear weapons.

Currently, around 38,000 tons of spent fuel is being stored at more than 70
commercial nuclear power plants across the country, pending the resolution of
a dispute over when the federal government must remove the waste for storage.

DOE said uncertainties remained about key natural processes in the Yucca
Mountain region, and over preliminary design plans. To address the outstanding
questions, the agency said environmental impact assessments would be conducted
in the next two years before the final recommendation in 2001.

The report said the advantages of making Yucca Mountain the repository site
included:

Location. The mountain lies 100 miles northwest of Las Vegas on unpopulated
land owned by the federal government and adjacent to the Nevada Test Site, the
longtime home for more than 900 nuclear weapons tests;

Lack of water. DOE said water is the main way radioactive elements are
transported from a repository, and noted that Yucca Mountain is in a desert,
with an average rainfall of 7 inches;

Groundwater. The nearest groundwater is isolated in a closed basis and does
not flow into any any rivers that reach the ocean.

The DOE said the natural geology and the preliminary repository design can
keep water away from the waste for thousands of years. Using mathematical
models, the agency said that for 10,000 years after the repository is closed
in around the year 2045, people living near Yucca Mountain are expected to
receive little or no increase in radiation exposure.

The maximum radiation exposure was expected to occur after 300,000 years, the
report said.

DOE said the preparation of environmental impact statements in 1999 and 2000
would cost around $1.1 billion, and if approved, the construction and
placement of waste would cost around another $18.7 billion in constant 1998
dollars.

The first waste would be emplaced in 2010 and the last waste in 2033, and the
site closed 10 years after the last wa

[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: Any input?

[RoadsEnd]

From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>







[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
 >We have Saunier speaking out in church >in favor of the
Bourbons.Bourbon/Hapsburg
> tie in? Some people had believed Louis >XVII was still alive, but
Naundorff is
> somewhat recognized. Naundorf has a >large occult following and also
the
> Martinists and Leon XIII and Benoit XV >support him.

Hmmm...I can only speculate on the coziness between the Bourbons and
the Habsburgs - "en famille" they might have held warm feelings for
one another, but on a larger scale, the Bourbons are Capetians and the
Habsburgs are Lorraines.  Any goals of re-establishing the Empire
would pit the two houses against one another, forcing the Catholic
Church to choose between the two.  Maybe they thought of joining
forces to rid Germany (the former Holy Roman Empire) of the Lutheran
Hohenzollerns, but after that...

Then again, the Empire was an elective throne...maybe they thought
they'd play to the Electors (Kurfursten) and let the best man win.  I
dunno...it sounds a bit ephemeral for the harsh realities of 19th
century Realpolitik...

> The Archduke of Habsbourg goes to see >Saunier (about the found
documents?).

That's always puzzled me.  Whatever it was that Sauniere found, it
held great interest for the Habsburgs.  One is left to wonder whether
they were acting on the Church's behalf, or on their own.

> The documents prove the survival of >Louis XVIII and his
descendants, the >proof of that heritage alone is worth 10 >times
Sauniers fortune. The Priory
> documents are created from these true >documents. Replace Louis XVI
with
> Dagobert II, his son Louis XVII with >Sigebert IV and Naundorff with
Plantard.
> Now we are to M.Dagoberts claim of >Church and Hapsburg getting
buddy/buddy, >to restore the Empire.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what would be the significance of
such documents to a Vatican/Austrian plot to restore the Empire?  All
it would serve to do, IMHO, is to put the Naundorff claimant ahead of
the cadet Bourbons.  On the off-chance that France would have restored
it's monarchy, it would be significant,  but how does this relate to
the Empire?

I've read elsewhere that the Comte de Chambord, "de jure" Henri V of
France and the last Bourbon of the senior line, was keenly interested
in Naundorff.  The matter was of grave concern to him, particularly in
1870/71 when it looked as though his restoration was a fait accompli.
Purportedly, a collection of sworn statements attesting to Naundorff's
legitimacy called the "Dossiers Rouge" was obtained by the Vatican
after Henri's death.  Who the statements are from is anyone's guess.
I personally don't put much stock in Naundorff, but then again I
wasn't there at the time.

It is interesting that the Naundorff claims crops up here, as I am
still very much of the opinion that the elusive Carl La Fleur is none
other than Charles Edmond "de Bourbon", a French Canadian who is one
of the two rival Naundorffiste claimants.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: IS DANNION BRINKLEY'S BOX-12 VISION COMING TO PASS?

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Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
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Date:   Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:34:19 PM
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:IS DANNION BRINKLEY'S BOX-12 VISION COMING TO PASS?


IS DANNION BRINKLEY'S BOX-12 VISION COMING TO PASS?

A nanowire prototype from Israel is eerily similar to one of
Brinkley's prophesied events...

by Peter P.

A recent technological breakthrough by two Israeli
physicists and a chemist, in which strands of DNA were
incorporated into a working electronic component, is eerily
similar to a prophesied event seen by psychic and author,
Dannion Brinkley.

[cf: http://www.brotherblue.org/brethren/dannion.htm
-B:.B:.]

Brinkley, after being struck by lightning in the mid-70s,
reported having a near-death experience (NDE) in which he
was shown a series of prophetic visions by what he termed
"light beings."

Each vision, or set of visions, was seen in a so-called
"box," which Brinkley wrote about in his 1994 bestseller,
"Saved by the Light."

The Box-12 vision read, in part, "I watched as a biological
engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA and
create a biological virus that would be used in the
manufacture of computer chips."

According to Brinkley, this breakthrough would lead to the
oft-prophesied miniature data-storing computer chip, placed
under the skin of each human being and containing their
entire life-history -- the so-called "Mark of the Beast."

The nanoelectronic breakthrough, by Technion-Israel
Institute of Technology researchers, is described as a
nanowire prototype. It consists of two gold electrodes,
linked by a chemically-bound synthesized DNA strand
'scaffolding' with attached silver grains used to pass a
current.

It is an almost threefold improvement over existing
technology used to make computer chips and the researchers
speculate this can be used to make computer memories.

Brinkley's "Box 12" vision was prophesied for the late
1990s.


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Re: [CTRL] Mettle?

[E Mael]

 -Caveat Lector-

i just bet that he did not volunteer any of this info. had he not been
caught it would have been denial and business as usual. it is easy to be
appropriately sorry when you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
how many fine republicans are offering the info voluntarily. any hands? no
one? let the investigations and the muckraking begin; they are all dirty.

amusedly

chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>Livingston Won't Serve as Speaker
>
>Saturday, December 19, 1998; 9:53 a.m. EST
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep. Bob Livingston said today he would not serve as
>the
>next House speaker and will leave Congress next year. He apologized for
>having engaged in extramarital affairs.
>
>``I must set the example that I hope President Clinton will follow. ... I
>will not stand for speaker of the House on January 6 but rather will
>remain
>as backbencher in this House I love so much,'' Livingston said as the
>House
>fell silent. He said would quit Congress after six months.
>
>``I was prepared to lead our narrow majority as speaker and I believe I
>had
>.. to do a fine job, but I cannot do that job.''
>
>Livingston began his speech by calling on Clinton to resign after being
>impeached, but then said he could not do so unless he, too, resigned.
>
>Livingston, 55, was nominated without opposition to succeed Newt Gingrich
>as speaker on Nov. 18. Gingrich had stunned the House with his resignation
>on Nov. 7.
>
>The first indications that Livingston's quest to lead the House may face
>new hurdles arose as the House impeachment debate unfolded.
>
>The Thursday night revelation by Livingston, R-La., that he had ``on
>occasion strayed from my marriage'' was only hinted at on the House floor
>during the day-long debate.
>
>``We are now at the height of a cycle of the politics of negative attacks,
>character assassination, personal smears of good people,'' said House
>Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.

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Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

[Teo1000]

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In a message dated 12/19/98 7:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<<  The other plus is that this business just might get the Democrats back
 in control of Congress.  Prudy >>

That way there won't be any more bickering and the Dem.'s can sell all the
technology to China and maybe Russia too, so that they can realm their
missiles at us with greater precision.  The Republican's are evil but at least
you KNOW it is coming Dem.'s are much more wolves in sheep's clothing 'cause
they are just as bad if not worse than the republicans [except George Bush who
IS the antichrist], but act as if they are not.  Clinton and Dem.'s are for
the "working man" and the people and "against" corporations, that is the
propaganda but nothing could be further from the truth, look at GATT, and
NAFTA and it's devastating effect on our workforce.  He is pushing MAI and the
IMF which is just monetary Mafia dictating how others should run their own
countries.
This message is for anyone who isn't a knee jerk Democratic robot, like Prudy,
who thinks that the Dem.'s are angels and the rep's devils and that Clinton is
practically god manifest and can do NO wrong but let the rep's say one word
and it is jump all over them.  This message is for people who are tired of the
same old shit in Washington.  For people who want a revolution that will take
us legally back to true representative democracy and constitutional law.  I
think Clinton should be hanged for his TREASON, selling out our national
defense for MONEY, what happened to the CIA guy who got caught doing the same
thing?  Where is he?  I don't give a rat's ass whether he had sex or lied or
committed perjury.  They won't go after him for the important things because
they will implicate themselves.  It HAS to be personal in order to get them
off the hook.  Political expediency.  So we have the situation as it is,
Clinton has committed crimes, they are sufficient for his removal so get him
the hell out, I wish we could go after more and get him for treason and all
the rest but why not take one step at a time?
Prudy and other Clinton die-hard lovers, please keep your heads firmly buried
in the sand because if you saw the reality you might think that your one sided
view is badly distorted which could cause some trauma, I don't want to be the
cause of that, thank you very much.
Teo1000
PS I know that Prudy will respond with "well why didn't we get Bush?" because
that's the only mantra she knows to ward off the evil that surrounds Clinton.
The answer is that he was TOO powerful and had TOO MUCH money.  I don't like
it and never will but let us effect change NOW before it is too late, CLINTON
is president NOW not BUSH.  Will we always dwell in the past?  Why not just
sit back like idiots and dream of the days of glory under Kennedy instead of
actually doing something?  It is stupid that is why.
PPS I have nothing against Prudy or other Clinton and democrat supporters
EXCEPT that they refuse to see the truth, It is not personal.
Have a nice day?

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[CTRL] Fwd: House Resolution 611 for impeachment (fwd)

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I think I've run out of my allotment for CTRL for today, but I thought in
light of your FOX = 666 post, you'd find the following of interest...

Feel free to forward it to the list if you wish...

June

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:01:03 GMT
To: freedom astrology <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: House Resolution 611 for impeachment

I thought I'd do some Numerological associations for the impeachment hearings.

...

House Resolution 581 was the resolution to look into whether there was
sufficient evidence to impeach.

581 reduces to 14 to 5.

5 is a strong human number, related to Mars, and indicates things made by hand
(5 fingers) and hence unique but fallible.

14 refers to leader (1) and construction of the case (4) by loyal followers.

5 is present in the original number, as is the 1.  8 is a power number but in
this case the power is submerged in some way.

So first we lose the 8, the overt power, then the 1, the leadership, and we
are
left with the 5, the fallible but human-made.

Kabbalistic associations:

581 581
The Ancient One  a'aThYQA
Barley   Sha'aVRH

Neither of these associations rings a bell for me.

.

House Resolution 611 is the resolution to impeach.

611 reduces directly to 8, the power number.  The 6 and two one's indicate two
leaders opposing and the 6 the public on one side.  The left side!  Funny,
isn't
it.  Power is restored to the equation by the people.

Kabbalistic associations, which seem pretty clear:

611 611
"The Fear" of the LORD.  YRATh
[Ps. cxi. 10]
The Law.  (OccasionalThVRH
spelling)



Numbers of the reports: First, each begins with 105, which stands for the
105th
Congress (1997-1998).

105, which is a leader, the ineffable, and human made things, is reduced to 6,
the masses or the people.

105   SUM (1 - 14)  105
To subvert, ruin, change HPK
Desert land: Earth of NetzachTzYH

The 105th congress is a Congress of subversion, of scorched earth, of desert
land.  Hmm...

.

House Rpt. 105-795 Investigatory powers of the Committee on the Judiciary with
respect to its impeachment inquiry.  This is the report on the abovementioned
House Resolution 581.

795 reduces to 21 and then to 3, a communication rather than an action.  First
7
we've encountered here, 7 being an embarrassment of riches but also a possibly
dilettante approach.

105-795 reduces to 9, a transforming number, meaning an end to something and a
beginning to something else.

.

House Report 105-830 is the report on the Impeachment of William Jefferson
Clinton, President of the United States, as prepared by the Committee on
Judiciary.

830 reduces to 11.  8-3-0 the power communicating into the void, and resulting
in the transformative power of two, in this case a destructive transformation
perhaps of Clinton's partnership with Lewinsky.

Kabbalistic associations:

830 830
Issachar YShShKR
Three ("?" third)ThLTh{62b}

Issachar was the ninth son of Jacob. His name means, "he is Hired".  He is the
son of Jacob and Leah, whom you will remember is the unwanted sister of
Rachel,
whom Jacob had preferred.  Jacob ended up with Leah first because she was the
older sister; Rachel was beautiful, while Leah was plain and weak-eyed.  God
rewarded Leah by giving her the power to conceive children, while Rachel was
barren (though later Rachel did bear Joseph and Benjamin).

Genesis 49:14 says: "Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two
burdens."  This is some hard work ahead for the House.  It may also refer to
Clinton bearing the burdens of war with Iraq and this Impeachment.

-JoAnne
_

[CTRL] Fwd: Re: Drudge Report - and TWA 800

[RoadsEnd]

It would be nice to see some documentations.
Om
K
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On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Nancy Gladkin wrote:

> In a message dated 12/18/1998 12:04:13 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << And of course, Bob's "excursions" were not with junior employees nor
>  did he offer false testimony under oath regarding them. Here is where
>  extramarital sex and perjury part ways. It seems like 60-70% of
>  polled Americans do not understand this. >>
>
> But, can we really believe that these polls actually exist?  I, for one,
have
> NEVER been asked my opinion, and until I am polled, I will not believe the
> numbers that are thrust down my throat daily concerning the Presidents
> approval rating.
>

  When Chinagate broke, TIME magazine reported that the White House
"internal" polls fell "through the floor". Did you ever see that drop
reflected in the mainstream media polls? No?

  The published polls do not measure public opinion. They are intened to
manufacture it by relying on the herd instinct. This "tyrany of the
polls" has been used to sell the government's lies for years by convincing
the public that "mst people" approve of what is being said and done,
thereby stifling dissent.

  No doubt, there is somewhere a poll that proves most Americans believe
the center fuel tank theory.

Re: [CTRL] MREs

[Hilary Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, caves are at 55 degrees Fahrenheit and I was told that the supplies
were being stored in some limestone caves in West Virginia.  Thanks for the
information Cloudsfter.  If "they" are stocking, I'm sure they are planning
on supporting a rather large population of military types to keep them safe.
Who ever is on the "save" list I'm sure I didn't make the cut.

Hilary

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>
>http://www.longlifefood.com/mre.html
>
>Shelf-life of MRE's ranges from  1 month @120 degrees
>to 130 months @ 60 degrees Fahrenheit
>
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[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: OFF TOPIC - Latitude check

[RoadsEnd]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Seeker1)


> Truth or Consequences, NM is very close at 33deg08m, but there
> isn't much there except a funny name.

Actually, it's significant for one other reason - there was a group of
wealthy donors that helped assassination researcher Jim Garrison with
startup funds for his 1968 investigations.

If anybody wants another nice-off-topical mindphuck, in Jim Keith's _Secret
and Suppressed_, there's another article which describes the author's
"discoveries" of subliminal or hidden scenes within Oliver Stone's JFK.

Since we're on the topic of skulls and masonic complicity ... here's some
excerpts:

"3. Garrison questions homosexual convict O'Keefe. In the flashback
homosexual party scenes (MY NOTE: anybody else besides me find it curious
that in this scene Shaw is dressed as Hermes?), there appears a full-screen
subliminal skull, than a rat in a cage, and then an image of a skull in the
background over Shaw's raised left hand. All this can only be caught by
advancing the movie frame by frame.

4. Man in dark suit passes three hoboes being taken into custody by police.
There is a hint that the man gives the hoboes a secret hand sign. This
happens later in the film in more detail. (MY NOTE: Downward says the
'Three Tramps' are the three unworthy craftsmen in this particular ritual
drama.)

6. During a carnival parade, an American flag is lowered to expose a huge
human skull.

8. Seen in David Ferrie's apartment are a skull, rats, and religious
figurines.

25. Immediately following the shooting in Dealey Plaza patrolman Joe Smith
stops and questions a man. The scene shifts to Smith testifying in the
courtroom. The scene immediately shifts to a tall young man wearing a dark
young suit. This man turns toward the camera and clearly gives a Masonic
sign of distress."

So: either this guy is as whacked as Downward, or Stone has been reading
our friendly American nutboy.

I've tried viewing JFK in stop-motion to see if I can find these scenes:
unfortunately, my VCR clouds the picture with lines and renders the picture
mostly unviewable when I pause it; I may have to wait until I can get it on
DVD.

Yours,


Steve Mizrach   [aka Seeker1]
TechnoCulturalist, CyberAnthropologist, HyperMediac, AnthroFuturist
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[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Dates in "La Vraie Langue Celtique"

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcus Williamson)


I've just put up a new page which lists all the "dates" found in La
Vraie Langue Celtique, by Henri Boudet, published in 1886. This page
can be found at :

http://www.connectotel.com/rennes/rvlcdate.html

Am hoping that this will assist fellow researchers in their quest for
the meaning behind this primary text.

The more I read and reread his work, the more I believe that Boudet
has at least 2 messages for us :

1. Related to 'something' being carried through history, from the time
of Moses (or even before) onwards...

2. Related to a location or locations in the landscape around
Rennes-les-Bains.

Look forward to your theories on what and where these are!

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[CTRL] Fwd: CLINTON INCAPACITATED, SAYS TOM CAMPBELL (R) CA

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 From the Offices of:  Rumor Mill News Agency
The Uncensored National Rumor

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Tom Campbell Calls Clinton Incapacitated
and Wants Him Removed From Office

Is Campbell Talking About the 25th Amendment?
RMNews 12-19-98 This morning, immediately after Speaker of the House
designate, Bob Livingston stunned the nation by unexpectedly announcing his
resignation on the foor of the House,  Representative Tom Campbell, (R) from
San Jose California, called President Clinton "incapacitated". He said that
the President has demonstrated his incapacitation through countlessvexamples
of not be able to understand what he has done. In other words, he cannot admit
to
himself  that he lied. Campbell said that there are laws in place since 1968,
which would allow Congress to remove a President who has been deemed
incapacitated.

Tom Campbell called for President Clinton to be removed due to
"incapacitation".

This sounds very much like the 25th Amendment.

Article XXV
(Ratified February 10, 1967)
Section 1.   In case of the removal of the President from efficacy or his
death or resignation, the vice President shall become President.
Sec. 2   Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the vice President, the
President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon
confirmation by a majority bot of both House of Congress.
Sec 3.   Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the
Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration
that he is unable to discharge the powers an duties shall be discharged by the
vice President as Acting President.
Sec 4.   Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal
officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by
law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the
Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the
President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice
President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as
Acting President.
 Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of
the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written
declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the power and duties of
his office unless, the Vice President and a majority of either the principal
officers of the executive department or of such other bodys as Congress may by
law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the
Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written
declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of
his office. Thereupon, Congress shall decide the issue,
assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the
Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written
declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after
Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses
that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,
the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President;
otherwise, the President shall resume the power and duties of his office.

RMNews suggested this course of action last March. Dick Morris, President
Clinton's former friend and advisor, said on FOX News that the President has
two personalities. Morris referred to the two personalities as Dr. Jekyll and
Mr. Hyde. Since that time, Mr. Morris has written a book. In the book he now
calls the two personalities of the President, "Saturday Night Bill" and
"Sunday Morning Clinton". If Dick Morris, who has known the President for
almost 20 years, believes the President has two personalities, then shouldn't
the nation take this seriously?

Tom Campbell and Dick Morris have given the nation a way to remove the
President and save the nation from the impeachment trial in the Senate?

I have attached the article which was written in March. In light of the
seriousness of today's situation, it no longer seems funny to me, but it gets
the point across.


Breaking News!
St. Patrick's Day, March 17th

On the Hannity and Colmes, Fox News Program:
   Dick Morris called Bill Clinton a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Mr. Morris said that the accusations Ms. Willey made against President
Clinton, a man Mr.
Morris has known for twenty years, are entirely out of character. Mr. Morris
went on to say that if these charges are true,  "then Mr. Clinton must have a
part of his personality that no one knows about."

Was Dick Morris saying that Mr. Clinton has two personalities?

Several days ago I wrote a note to a friend in which I surmised that soon  we
were going to hear from a well known psychiatrist who has diagnosed  the
President as suffering from multiple personalities.

My friend informed me that such a book has already been written

Re: [CTRL] Honour Among...

[E Mael]

 -Caveat Lector-

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote:
>>it is the pervasiveness of alcoholic poisoning in this country that
>>accounts for the all pervasive symptom that people think that they can
>>change someone's mind about anything at all. furthermore it is only the
>>ones who step out from the alcoholic poisoning loop who know that, no
>>matter what method you may use, there is no way that anyone can change
>>anyone else's mind about anything.
>>
>>what do you drink june, and how often?
>
>It's a shame I have to waste my limited allottment of posts to this list
>to respond to this slander...
>
>But typical of the Clintonistas in Congress, instead of sticking to the
>issues, you attempt to slander those with whom you disagree.
>
>But in answer to your question, I drink coffee, tea, and an occasional
>soft drink...I do not partake of alcohol...
>
>I also do not partake on any illicit/illegal chemical substances.
>
>Can YOU say the same?
>
>
>June


"...me thinkest she doth protest too much". if it did not have merit, why
have you qualified it with a response. you felt that you could change my
mind about you. typical as i said, of those who rely upon alcohol. you
have just confirmed my argument and now any protestation that you may make
only further confirms what i have already written, only now we can add
"denial" as one of the top ten maladies that are all pervasive in this
fine country of ours. i do not care if you drink or not, it does not
matter one iota; but your protesting it seems to give it a little merit
and further invited suspicions of denial. no june, we cannot change
anyon's mind about anything but it is fun watching you try.

musingly

chris

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In a message dated 12/19/98 7:10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>The Constitution is a 'political document.
>>
>>It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions.
>
>It most certainly IS a legal document, it is the document from where all


In a message dated 12/19/98 7:10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We may disagree. The Constitution is not a legal document, it is the begatter
of laws and of legal defences. It is a common document. Misdemeanor is not
used in the the impeachment clause as to its law definition

>other U.S. laws stem...
>
>CONSTITUTION:   ...a) the system of basic laws and
>principles of government, society, etc.  b) a document
>stating these.  c) such a document of the U.S.
>
>-- Webster's New World Dictionary
>
>
>CONSTITUTION:  an established law or custom...the basic
>law in a politically organized body; also a document
>containing such law
>
>-- The Merriam-Webster Dictionary
>
>
>"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a
>more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
>Tranquility, provide the common defence, promote the
>general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
>ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
>this Constitution for the United States of America."
>
>--  Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
>
>
>"This Constitution, and all Laws of the United States
>which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all
>Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
>Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
>Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
>be bound thereby...
>
>-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
>
>
>"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned,
>and the Members of the several State Legislatures,
>and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
>the United States and of the several States, shall
>be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this
>Constitution..."
>
>-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
>
>
>If the Constitution is NOT a legal document, then it is meaningless...
>and I don't want to hear you, or anyone else complaining about 'the right
>to free speech', or 'the right to keep and bear arms', if you sincerely
>believe it is nothing except a 'common' piece of paper...
>

It is the paper of our common understanding. It is a statement of our natural
rights.
It is a document that begats out laws. It is part of our organic laws, with
such documents as the Declaration of Independce and such.  It is a repository
of of things laws cannot be made about. It is not a legal document. It is
before our legal documents.

>
>>By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of
>>the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and
>>wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a
>>felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses.
>
>No, but perjury, and obstruction of justice -- which is what the 4
>articles of impeachment against Clinton comprise -- ARE considered
>impeachable offenses.
>
>And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached
>for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and
>personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in
>a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the
>President of the United States?

No, June, and there is much disagreement from scholars as to the 'fact' of
those 'crimes' impeachability.  You may say so, but you are not binding.

It is quite obvious from history and the Constitution that impeachment of the
president is different that judges. Federal judges are appointed. The
President is elected by the people in a general election.

What we are witnessing are partisan impeachment proceedings. Theatre not
justice.



Om
K


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After much conversation with M.Dagobert and looking at the theories of Nullens
et.al., see if any of you can lend light to this:
First look at the church at Rennes as follows, all the cross and rose
symbolism, the tympan with the crosses and roses, the truncated latin
inscriptions, like the odd word (le) added to (par ce signe), meaning the 13th
and 14th letters of the Jewish alphabet, (1314,Molay burned at the stake), and
the letters in the sentence equal 22, (the aplphabet of the Cabal). The 4
angels may be the "Quatre fre res Zeles" of the main book of the Rose Croix.
Now view the stations of the cross as Masonic symbolism of the Scottish Rite.
So now view the Church of Mary Magdaline as a Masonic Temple of the Scottish
Rite.
As M.Dagobert stated, Saunier's brother lead him. His brother was a Jesuit and
had many occult and Mason connections in the Aude, which was a ripe place for
that anyway. The Languedoc people were many Rose Croix. So Saunier may have
been almost for sure, Rose Croix and maybe even Mason, which backs up Dagobert
saying he found the archives of the Philadelphes Lodge. He finds the
parchments in a Hautpol tomb, (The Hautpols linked to Scottish Rite), maybe
they were buried with Scottish Rite and/or Rose Croix documents.
The Hautpoul were partisan of the Bourbons, (Again M.Dagoberts reference comes
in). Bigou found them first and 108 years later Saunier does again, again
implied by Dagobert. 108 years is an important number in the Rose Croix for a
cycle. Though I do not know why Bigou did nothing with them. But he left them
to be found by Saunier.
Enter the Hapsburgs who wanted to become as they were, the heads of the
Christian world. Cardinal Sarto was made Pope in 1904 and pulls the Hapsburg
veto power away, now they are the outside looking in, castrated. Pie X creates
a secret society to fight Modernism in the Church, (called by some Black
Masons), Benoit XV tries to shut down the society with the help of the Council
Congregation, (The council that cleared Saunier of trafficking masses). We
have Saunier speaking out in church in favor of the Bourbons. Bourbon/Hapsburg
tie in? Some people had believed Louis XVII was still alive, but Naundorff is
somewhat recognized. Naundorf has a large occult following and also the
Martinists and Leon XIII and Benoit XV support him.
The Archduke of Habsbourg goes to see Saunier (about the found documents?).
The documents prove the survival of Louis XVIII and his descendants, the proof
of that heritage alone is worth 10 times Sauniers fortune. The Priory
documents are created from these true documents. Replace Louis XVI with
Dagobert II, his son Louis XVII with Sigebert IV and Naundorff with Plantard.
Now we are to M.Dagoberts claim of Church and Hapsburg getting buddy/buddy, to
restore the Empire.
The Rennes area has a large history of gold and mines also, and the treasure
of Solomon is being refered to again and again by M.Dagobert, (I am pressing
him on the explaination).
What if this is a treasure of both gold (either natural or Solomons or both)
and these lineage documents? Then a church erected to both Mary Magdaline (Her
Visigoth descendant, Giselle...there is the bloodline of the Merovingians) and
to the Rose Croix for reasons of praise or subtefuge? And Plantard was privy
to this info and altered it to benefit him (as I explained above), as a
rightful heir. Both M.Dagobert and G. Nullens are brilliant in theory, but at
this point I feel I am either close to a plausible explaination or I am SO off
target, it is time to just go play golf.
There are many on the list more brilliant and learned than I, and some
specialize in areas that I have touched on. Please tell me what you think.
Peace...Dog



From: Queribus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>First look at the church at Rennes as follows, all the cross and rose
>symbolism, the tympan with the crosses and roses, the truncated latin
>inscriptions, like the odd word (le) added to (par ce signe), meaning the
>13th
>and 14th letters of the Jewish alphabet, (1314,Molay burned at the stake),
>and
>the letters in the sentence equal 22, (the aplphabet of the Cabal). The 4
>angels may be the "Quatre fre res Zeles" of the main book of the Rose Croix.
>Now view the stations of the cross as Masonic symbolism of the Scottish Rite.
>So now view the Church of Mary Magdaline as a Masonic Temple of the Scottish
>Rite.

The floor of the church is alternate black and white squares like a
Masonic hall. The four angels could also be the four archangels in the
Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram taught to all new members of the
Golden Dawn. Emma Calve, linked to Sauniere rather convincingly, was a
member of the Golden Dawn, she also lived in the Languedoc region and
visited there often so he needn't have even met her in Paris. The Paris
trip is always under suspicion. The Golden Dawn steals from everyone,
Masons, Templars, but their favorite borrowings are from Rosecrucian
symb

[CTRL] Mettle?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From Wash (DC) Post (via Drudge):

Livingston Won't Serve as Speaker

Saturday, December 19, 1998; 9:53 a.m. EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep. Bob Livingston said today he would not serve as the
next House speaker and will leave Congress next year. He apologized for
having engaged in extramarital affairs.

``I must set the example that I hope President Clinton will follow. ... I
will not stand for speaker of the House on January 6 but rather will remain
as backbencher in this House I love so much,'' Livingston said as the House
fell silent. He said would quit Congress after six months.

``I was prepared to lead our narrow majority as speaker and I believe I had
.. to do a fine job, but I cannot do that job.''

Livingston began his speech by calling on Clinton to resign after being
impeached, but then said he could not do so unless he, too, resigned.

Livingston, 55, was nominated without opposition to succeed Newt Gingrich
as speaker on Nov. 18. Gingrich had stunned the House with his resignation
on Nov. 7.

The first indications that Livingston's quest to lead the House may face
new hurdles arose as the House impeachment debate unfolded.

The Thursday night revelation by Livingston, R-La., that he had ``on
occasion strayed from my marriage'' was only hinted at on the House floor
during the day-long debate.

``We are now at the height of a cycle of the politics of negative attacks,
character assassination, personal smears of good people,'' said House
Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.

But as rumors hurtled around the Capitol about details of the affairs,
Livingston met with several conservatives who were rethinking their support
of the 55-year-old Louisianan,

``We ought to ask questions ... rather than circle the wagons for one of
our tribe,'' Rep. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., said in an interview. He said he
would spend Christmas ``struggling'' over whether to support Livingston.

Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., also said Republicans should re-examine
Livingston's fitness to be speaker.

``You can't criticize the president's behavior as being unacceptable and
then not consider this as material, just ignore this and brush it aside,''
he said

Several other conservatives, speaking on condition of anonymity, said once
the House impeachment debate is over, they will think about whether
Livingston should take over when the 106th Congress is sworn in on Jan. 6.

Livingston's problem is intensified by the narrow GOP margin in the next
House: just 223-211, plus one independent who usually votes with Democrats.
If just six Republicans refuse to support him for speaker, he would lack
the 218 votes needed to be elected -- assuming the Democrats and
independent vote against him.

Outside the chamber, many Republicans -- and some Democrats -- said
Livingston's infidelities were a personal matter and he remained qualified
to become speaker. Livingston said Thursday night his wife of 33 years,
Bonnie, and his four grown children have forgiven him.

``His stature, because of the way he handled himself, was enhanced,'' said
Rep. John Sununu, R-N.H.

``I think they're none of our business,'' Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., a
Livingston friend, said of the infidelities. ``Anybody who knows Bob
Livingston and Bonnie knows they are two first-rate human beings.''

Other Democrats, however, said the episode showed Republican inconsistency
in judging Clinton and Livingston.

``It shows their partisan rancor, where they're quick to forgive and forget
Mr. Livingston's infidelities yet seem hellbent for going after the
president,'' said Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I.

Livingston allies said they detected no deterioration of support.

But some Republicans worried the episode could hurt Livingston if he does
become speaker.

Bachus said Republicans must learn when and to what extent Livingston
engaged in extramarital affairs. He said he also wants to know why
Livingston did not disclose this when he began running for speaker last
month, knowing that the House soon would be considering impeachment.

Livingston revealed the affairs after Hustler magazine asked him for
comment about claims by at least four women that they had had liaisons with
him, said Larry Flynt, the periodical's publisher. The women called the
magazine after it offered a reward to anyone who could prove an affair with
a members of Congress, he said.

A bomb squad rushed to Livingston's district office in Metairie, La., on
Friday to inspect a suspicious package that turned out to contain a rock
and a note referring to his adultery.



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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

Was it Acton who stated, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" ?  It
resembles prosecution of a war:  adopt a plan and stick to it (or the
analogy could be based on a cookie recipe); make minor modifications as
required to suit to taste but basically it'll look the same at the
beginning as will at the end.  I think this is the majority view:  they
have their plan and they're sticking to it, sticking it to whomever the
plan applies.  I can see the decision logic table now:  "Did X occur?" "If
so, go to step 2; if not, abort {return to beginning}."  I wonder how far
along they are ...

Vortex?  Eye of the Storm?  It's calm in there, isn't it?  Start to move
out of it and they'll tell us to stay put where it's safe!!!

I think any feelings about the 'people' may be secondary (review the words
about D. Fox and 'innocent' casualties); as Newt and others have said, the
U.S. is a strong country and is able to withstand war and impeachment and
the holiday festivities.  Is it Tim ("Cokie") Allen on his "Tool Time" show
who keeps pressing for 'more power' ? ... it fits the overall scheme of
bigger, better, faster -- buzz of POWER!  Take the toys away and they get
pouty (see Newt).


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but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

--
: We do, indeed, live in interesting times. I wish I felt as confident
: as you that we could just "ride out" the storm. Why do I have the
: feeling that we will be pulled into the vortex by a Republican
: majority that has already expressed its deepest contempt for the
: majority of the American people.
:
:
:
:
:
: sno0wl
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[CTRL] Homelessness in Hippie-land

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : North America

San Francisco's homeless dying at record rate

By Jerry White
19 December 1998

A record-high 157 homeless people died in San Francisco over the last 12
months according to a report released by city authorities December 15. The
annual Homeless Death Review showed a sharp increase in such deaths since
1997 when 104 homeless people were reported dead, and just above the 154
dead counted in 1996.

The average age of the deceased was 42 years old. According to officials,
drug overdoses accounted for 62 deaths, seven were suicides and four of the
homeless died of severe infections. One hundred thirty-four of the homeless
dead were male, twenty-two female. One was listed as transgender.

The report, which is compiled from medical examiner records, is merely a
body count and does not hint at the causes for the rise in deaths. Others,
including homeless advocates, cited as possible causes the cut-off of
welfare benefits, endless rain attributed to El Nino weather patterns, a
crackdown on the homeless by Mayor Willie Brown and a shortage of single
hotel rooms for the poor.

There are an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 homeless people in the city. Every
night homeless shelters are filled to capacity and hundreds of people sleep
in parks and in the doorways of businesses. There are only 1,400 shelter
beds available through the city or charities and authorities plan to add
another 300 by the beginning of December. Among the homeless there are an
estimated 500 "car dwellers," people who live in abandoned cars, buses and
trucks parked on the city's streets.

Last year, a few days after the San Francisco Chronicle published an
October 31 editorial urging Mayor Willie Brown "to halt the invasion and
occupation of Golden Gate Park by junkies, drunks, hostile bums and petty
criminals," the Democratic mayor banned sleeping overnight in the park and
deployed scores of police to expel the homeless. Brown established a
hotline for residents and neighbors to complain about the homeless, and
hinted that he would carry out helicopter searches to root out homeless
camps, if the problem persisted.

In an effort to appear humanitarian Brown announced that he was considering
building a campground for the "vehicularly housed" in a port area south of
the downtown financial district. The mayor's coordinator for the homeless,
Terrence Hill, boasted that the city was the first in the nation to even
think of legitimizing living in cars.

Two-thirds of the homeless dead were found in Tenderloin, Inner Mission and
South of Market, which are among the poorest parts of the city. Randy Shaw,
director of the Tenderloin Housing Clinic, said the rising economic
inequality in the Bay Area had contributed to increased housing shortages.

"There has never been a scarcer supply of rooms in the history of San
Francisco," said Shaw, whose nonprofit group operates programs to house the
homeless. "We used to have over 1,200 units of single hotel rooms available
for general assistance. Now it's gone below 800. I have people willing to
spend 80 percent of their general assistance income on housing," he said.
"That's $310, leaving only $45 for food, and I can't get them a room."

The 1997 Homeless Death Review detailed the sad fate of those ignored or
turned into pariahs by official society. "Joe's skeletal remains were found
by gardeners at Golden Gate Park inside a sleeping bag that was inside a
pup tent," is one example cited in the report. "Joe was 42 years old when
he died."

Another victim highlighted in the report was "Sally," 27, who was
discharged from San Francisco General Hospital to a single-room occupancy
hotel. "She was found dead in the breezeway, where she collapsed on her way
to the hall bathroom."

The city has assigned three healthcare workers to prevent homeless deaths.

See Also:
Clinton to back Social Security privatization
[9 December 1998]
Utility shutoff leads to child's death in Detroit house fire
[5 December 1998]
New York Welfare Policy claims an infant's life
[27 November 1998]



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[CTRL] Iraqiana: 12-19

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : Middle East : Iraq

The bombing of Iraq

A shameful chapter in American history

By Martin McLaughlin and David North
19 December 1998

Those who are responsible for the bombing of Iraq are writing a shameful
chapter in American history. Hundreds of Iraqi men, women and children have
already been killed or maimed by American bombs and cruise missiles. The
death toll from the air war will mount far higher. Even the Pentagon had
predicted more than 10,000 would be killed in an onslaught of only medium
intensity, let alone in the full-scale attack which was unleashed on
December 16.

Putting aside for a moment the reactionary aims being pursued by the
Clinton Administration, the massive disparity between the resources of the
United States and those of Iraq endows a nightmarish and criminal character
to the actions taken by the Pentagon. What is unfolding today in the Middle
East resembles not so much a war as a state-sanctioned execution. But in
this case, the victim is not an individual, strapped helplessly to a
gurney, but rather the unarmed population of a defenseless country.

The White House, the Pentagon, the Congress, and, of course, the media sing
hymns of praise to "our heroic men and women in the Persian Gulf." In
reality, every American should feel deeply ashamed of what these "heroes"
are being ordered to do in the name of the United States. "Heroism," at a
minimum, involves a serious element of risk and danger. "Heroes" are not
those who are willing to kill, but who are prepared to die. On the basis of
this definition, the people of Baghdad are far more deserving of respect
and admiration than those who are tormenting them from the relative safety
of their high-tech murder machines.

There is nothing particularly courageous about placing one’s finger on a
button to launch a cruise missile, while floating on a naval vessel in the
Persian Gulf or flying a B-52 bomber 1,000 miles from Baghdad.

In 1991 American soldiers in the Persian Gulf War had a lower death rate
than their counterparts who stayed home. More died of traffic accidents
than from Iraqi weapons. During the last seven years, the risks facing
American military personnel have been even further reduced. US weaponry has
been upgraded and Iraq’s defenses have been virtually destroyed. Moreover,
American pilots are guided to their targets by intelligence provided by UN
weapons inspectors and spy satellites which have scoured the Iraqi
landscape continuously for the past eight years.

As for the commanders who are in charge of this sordid operation, history
will judge them in much the same way as it does the scoundrels who
supervised the genocidal slaughter of the Indians in the 1870s and 1880s.
This much is certain: 50 years from now no one will be making films like
Patton, The Longest Day or Saving Pvt. Ryan about their exploits.

One need not agree with the politics of such World War II-era commanders as
Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, and Nimitz to acknowledge that they, at least,
led their armies against an enemy fully capable of firing back. Today's
generals are nothing more than bureaucrats of mass slaughter, working their
way up the Pentagon hierarchy, spending a term at the top issuing orders to
destroy helpless populations, then retiring to well-paid positions on
corporate boards or as "consultants" to the TV networks covering the next
American blitzkrieg.

The horrors of World War II evoked searing images that profoundly
influenced the political consciences of several generations. Next to those
produced by the opening of the Nazi death camps, the most unforgettable
images were those of the German Luftwaffe raining bombs on defenseless
populations – above Warsaw, Rotterdam, and, most infamous of all, the
Basque village of Guernica. It was this last atrocity that was transformed
on the canvas of Picasso into a universally-recognized expression of
outrage against the inhumanity of fascism.

Even though the United States was, for the most part, spared much of the
on-the-ground horrors of World War II, the event which brought America into
the war – the bombing of Pearl Harbor – deeply aroused public opinion.
There is, from the standpoint of historical analysis, little doubt that the
Roosevelt Administration skillfully maneuvered the Japanese government into
a situation in which it had little choice but to go to war against the
United States. But the manner in which Japan initiated hostilities –
bombing Pearl Harbor without warning – outraged millions. For decades to
come, the phrase "sneak attack" was synonymous with the basest form of
treachery. Nearly 20 years after the end of World War II, in 1962, during
the missile crisis, among the reasons given by Robert Kennedy for opposing
an invasion of Cuba was that such an action would require a "sneak attack"
that would blacken America’s historic reputation.

And yet, in 1998, the US government – without any fear of public objection

[CTRL] Reverse Speech Analysis Reveals "Desert Fox"

[Brian Redman]

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   Reverse Speech Finds the code name of Desert Fox in reverse weeks ago.


   Reversals found on expelled Weapons Inspector, Scott Ritter, and
   posted on the Reverse Speech web site several weeks ago, reveals then
   name of Fox with reference to Iraq in reverse long before it was
   announced. When talking forward about not being allowed to conduct
   weapons inspections, he said in reverse, "Our wrath won't shake the
   fox." Clinton also references "the fox" in his speech announcing the
   attacks on Iraq (reversals to be posted on RS website soon)

   Also, posted on the reverse speech web site for many months is the
   reversal on Bill Clinton found in March when the sex scandals first
   broke, that said, "Hell with the Earth. Seek desert Answers." [Play
   Stream] [Download File]

   It has always been the position of Reverse Speech Enterprises that
   conflict in the gulf would increase in direct proportion to the
   acceleration of the Lewinski scandal. the coincidences of these two
   events constantly coinciding with each other over the last few months,
   cannot be denied. And now, as the Lewinski scandal reaches its
   ultimate conclusion (Impeachment) so does the the conflict in the Gulf
   also reach its ultimate conclusion (War).

   Further releases to follow on the situation in the gulf, according to
   Reverse Speech...

   David Oates Founder of Reverse Speech Technology

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Re: [CTRL] Honour Among...

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On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote:
>it is the pervasiveness of alcoholic poisoning in this country that
>accounts for the all pervasive symptom that people think that they can
>change someone's mind about anything at all. furthermore it is only the
>ones who step out from the alcoholic poisoning loop who know that, no
>matter what method you may use, there is no way that anyone can change
>anyone else's mind about anything.
>
>what do you drink june, and how often?

It's a shame I have to waste my limited allottment of posts to this list
to respond to this slander...

But typical of the Clintonistas in Congress, instead of sticking to the
issues, you attempt to slander those with whom you disagree.

But in answer to your question, I drink coffee, tea, and an occasional
soft drink...I do not partake of alcohol...

I also do not partake on any illicit/illegal chemical substances.

Can YOU say the same?


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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>The Constitution is a 'political document.
>
>It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions.

It most certainly IS a legal document, it is the document from where all
other U.S. laws stem...

CONSTITUTION:   ...a) the system of basic laws and
principles of government, society, etc.  b) a document
stating these.  c) such a document of the U.S.

-- Webster's New World Dictionary


CONSTITUTION:  an established law or custom...the basic
law in a politically organized body; also a document
containing such law

-- The Merriam-Webster Dictionary


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a
more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
Tranquility, provide the common defence, promote the
general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America."

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and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall
be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this
Constitution..."

-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution


If the Constitution is NOT a legal document, then it is meaningless...
and I don't want to hear you, or anyone else complaining about 'the right
to free speech', or 'the right to keep and bear arms', if you sincerely
believe it is nothing except a 'common' piece of paper...



>By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of
>the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and
>wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a
>felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses.

No, but perjury, and obstruction of justice -- which is what the 4
articles of impeachment against Clinton comprise -- ARE considered
impeachable offenses.

And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached
for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and
personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in
a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the
President of the United States?


>On checking in the good Document,  and impeachment is just removal from
>office, disqualification from trough flow;"but Party convicted shall
>nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and
>Punishment according to law."

Yes, the party who is impeached and removed from office can than be
subject to a criminal trial...but a criminal trial is not required...
IOW, a party impeached and removed on criminal matters may NOT
necessarily get a criminal trial afterwards, while OTOH a party may be
impeached and removed from office on matters which are not necessarily
legally criminal, but fall under the umbrella of 'misconduct in
office'


>I would rather Clinton resign.

I'd rather it go to a trial -- that way each article can be laid out for
all to see, and all the evidence in support of, or opposing, be shown for
all to see...

With resignation, you'll just get the Clintonistas bleating forever about
how he was 'unfairly hounded out of office' (which now the Republicans
can complain was done to Livingston, who just announced his resignation)
...with a trial, both sides get to present their case...

And since everyone seems to feel that there aren't enough votes in the
Senate to carry a resolution to remove Clinton from office, one would
think Clinton and his supporters would be embracing this option...so one
does have to wonder what those who claim to support Clinton but call for
his resignation which to hide...


>I do not believe that a partisan impeachment is the way to go.

Well, impeachment seems to be a foregone conclusion...Clinton WILL be
impeached today...so the question lies in whether he resigns, or
undergoes a Senate trial and is possibly voted by the Senate to be
removed from office...


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[PRUDYL]

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Did anyone notice that the "civil rights" settlement was gained once the
Nose job had healed?>>

Oh yes.  She's looking much better these days, and I think she even thinks
some of the money will thee for her.  Well, whoever was paying and paving the
way before will probably make sure she comes out at least a little ahead.
After all, it's either keep her happy or make sure she has a fatal accident.
Those one-car things that happen to investigative reporters and minor MAFIA
figures is very effective.  They sure can't let Paula blab.  Prudy

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In a message dated 12/18/98 11:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< I think that we fought a terrible and bloody Civil War to end
 slavery. And I doubt the suffragettes who fought for the women's vote
 thought the process was either reasonable or "peaceful."




 sno0wl >>


Way to go, SnoOwl.  Prudy

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In a message dated 12/18/98 11:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< Now why in the world would Paula Jones have gone up to that hotel
 room in the first place? Was she flattered to be asked? Would she
 have been more amenable to the assignation if he had been a bit
 less "abrupt"? Hey, you never know. >>

I've always thought that if it happened as she said, Clinton was looking for a
woman, and the cops (who always know who the goodtime girls are (both
professional and amateur) asked Paula if she would.  She said yes, and they
escorted her to the door.  Paula, it turns out, doesn't indulge in the
particular sex act that is requested.  Hence, the reported response.  But
can't you just hear the handlers working this matter while looking for a way
to get Clinton.  "Oh, that's what he likes.  Have we got a babe for him"!
Prudy

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<< Especially NPR.

You might be right.  Anything Cokie Roberts is mixed up in is suspect to me.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)

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In a message dated 12/18/98 4:38:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< Well this is interesting...  Correct me if I am wrong but, once it goes to
a
 vote and if he is impeached isn't there automatically a criminal trial?  I
 understood that if he resigned and was pardoned then he wouldn't face a
 trial.  So, if he "appears" unconcerned I have to ask, what Ace does he have
 up his sleeve?

 Hilary >>


I don't think he has an ace up his sleeve.  I think he is a pragmatic
individual who realizes that even God could not stop the Republicans from this
impeachment program, so what good does it do to waste time and worry on it.
Some women may understand.  It's like being pregnant.  You just relax and wait
for the outcome.  I even called my own congressman, Phil English, to tell him
to vote for impeachment.  We might as well get on with it.  This way the
Republican Party won't have to punish him for disobeying orders, and he may
get decent committee seats and be able to do the people in his district some
good.  The other plus is that this business just might get the Democrats back
in control of Congress.  Prudy

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<<  you are implying we have 'Robed Masters'. >>

Your words not mine.   Prudy

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<<
 (The reaction of Private Ryan was baloney - the reality is that our soldiers
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 the thick of it until the war ended, they were injured, or they were killed.
 Any one of them would have fell to his knees and after thanking God, would
 have eagerly permitted Tom Hanks to escort them to safety >>

It was even worse, Jerry, I went to college with a lot of GI's.  After Germany
surrendered, the guys that were still in one piece were loaded onto troop
ships and were being taken to the South Pacific.  They weren't even being
given a respite in the States to see their families.  I don't know if the war
lasted long enough in the Pacific for them to have made it to the fighting on
the other side.  I just can't remember.  For some of the guys, it was like it
was for James Clavell.  I remember when he was interviewed by somebody on a
morning TV show  (It might have been Walters), and whoever it was asked him to
what he attributed his survival (he was a prisoner in Singapore 'the King Rat
thing').  His answer was, "The war ended."  The interviewer was really
confused for a moment.  She was expecting the "faith in God" thing or
"thinking of my family."  But the reason a lot of guys survived the war
whereever they were was just that.  The war ended.

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[CTRL] Fwd: RMNews Update: Impeachment, Iraq and The Cold War Returns!!

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 RMNews UPDATE: THE COLD WAR RETURNS
 Iraq, Impeachment, Terrorist Attacks and Revolution
Is The World Getting Ready to Return to Cold War Status?
 12-18-98 Aptos, CA RMNews--
The United States House of Representatives is getting ready to
impeach the President. The President is attacking Iraq. Saddam Hussein is
asking other Arab nations to attack the United States. Secretary of Defense
Cohen tells the American people to prepare for terrorist attacks. China,
Russia and France denounce the U.S. Russia cancels the signing of the
START II treaty and puts its Navy AND Air Force on high alert. Rumors in
the former Soviet Union say its Communist leaders see Clinton's "Wag the
Dog" folly  as their opportunity to bring back the Cold War.
 The timing of the President's attack on Iraq has caused
leaders around the world to speculate that President Clinton
attacked Iraq in a last ditch attempt to sidetrack Congress and the
American people, and avoid an impeachment vote.
   On Wednesday, December 16, 1998, the vote tally in the House of
Representatives showed  there were enough votes to impeach President
Clinton. All of the nation was preparing for the Impeachment vote which
should have taken place Thursday, December 17th. President Clinton would
have  become  the only second President to be impeached,  in the history of
our 200 year old nation.
 However, vote on impeachment  did not happen. As of today, it
STILL has not taken place. What prevented the impeachment vote from
happening?
President Clinton attacked Iraq.
 His timing could not have been worse. The Pentagon says more than
200 missiles rained down upon Iraq without warning about 24 hours after the
chief U.N. weapons inspector reported that President Saddam Hussein was
once again thwarting his work.
Did the While House Orchestrate a Crisis?
   Scott Ritter, the former inspector for Unscom (the United Nations
Special Commission,) who resigned in protest this summer, accusing the
United States of sharing its information with Israel, now accuses President
Clinton of provoking Iraqi defiance. Did the White House orchestrate a
crisis?  Ritter also accused Richard Butler, executive chairman  of the
Unscom, of  conferring with the Clinton administration's national security
staff on how to write  his report of noncompliance before submitting it to the
U.N. Security Council Tuesday night.
 The former inspector said the White House wanted to ensure the
report contained sufficiently tough language  on which to justify its decision
to bomb Iraq.  Ritter did not mince his words when he said, "I'm telling you
this was a preordained conclusion. This inspection was a total setup by the
United States. The U.S. was pressing [the U.N.] to carry out this test. The
test
was very provocative. They were designed to elicit Iraqi defiance."
 As Tomahawks began destroying Iraqi  targets Wednesday, Defense
Secretary  Cohen was asked if he had any  advance warning of the report's
contents.  "No. There was some speculation about what it might contain," he
answered. "And frankly, we had assumed that  it might be mixed. We didn't
know."
 Scott Ritter replied to the Cohen comment, "If Bill Cohen said he did
not know this report was not going to trigger a military  response, he is
being
disingenuous. On Tuesday they worked closely with  Richard Butler to make
sure the report had no wiggle room. The concept this is the first time they
saw the report is ludicrous. They orchestrated with Richard Butler."

Ritter went on to say  that  he is criticizing the timing of the attack  Mr.
Butler has become a "tool" of the White House and has "corrupted" Unscom's
independence."
  Wag The Dog May Cause the Cold War to Return
 It appears to many Americans and world leaders, that President
Clinton has used the "Wag the Dog" technique one more time. One day
before Monica Lewinsky was to testify before the Grand Jury, President
Clinton attacked a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and so called terrorist
bases in Afghanistan. His tactic did not work. The press paid attention for a
day or two and then turned their attention back to the Monica-mess. With this
track record, President Clinton must be either desperate or insane to try a
"Wag the Dog" tactic again.
 Reaction around the world, to the President's attack on Iraq, has been
swift  condemnation. President Clinton's credibility with world leaders has
been so strained that many of our former allies now believe the President
will do anything to hang on to the Oval Office.
 What Signal is the former Soviet Union Sending?
 The reaction from the former Soviet Union portends an ominous
return to the days of  Cold War,  Iron Curtains and bomb shelters. If
President Clinton's "Wag the Dog" tactic causes the Communists to return
to power in Russia,  not only will 

Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...

[RoadsEnd]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, I hope we can agree to disagree.

The Constitution is a 'political document.

It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions.

If anything, the constitution is a 'common' document.

"Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes
and Misdemeanors."

The 'common' meaning of misdemeanor is - Misbehaviour; a misdeed.  Then there
is the legal definition which is an offense less than a felony; a comparative
legal term.

You will notice that the legal comparative is not mentioned in the
Constitution. high Crimes is not considered a subsitute for the word felony,
legally nor commonly. Because the word midemeanor is not used in the legal
sense.

By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of
the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and
wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a
felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses.

Different viewpoints.

I did speak too soon on a double jeopardy defense, 
On checking in the good Document,  and impeachment is just removal from
office, disqualification from trough flow;"but Party convicted shall
nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and
Punishment according to law."

And yes, the President, is out on his "own recoginzance", untill his term
ends.
As he would be in most any court in the land, for his 'level' of criminality
on the four impeachment charges. With his prior 'arrest and conviction'
record. His 'service to the country'. Those are criteria judges use.

I would rather Clinton resign. I do not believe that a partisan impeachment is
the way to go.

I do not care for Clinton, Don't know other than what I read, Don't know the
man, don't know anyone that does. Had no truck with the guy.  If he is just a
stooge, Moe could have done a much better job. If  the mainstream line
of; here is this guy from hope, arkansas that just overcame the odds and ran
for president and won, is true -- what a stupid SOB. it could be a story among
the many or some combination of such that is true or is he somewhere between a
played patsy to a let-them-eat-cake, while I screw around and keep my job
cause . . .

@#$%^ 'em all and the bus they rode in on.

Here is to the best of futures.

Om
K


In a message dated 12/18/98 3:42:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Personally, I think the president should resign.  Perjury is not an
>>impeachable offense.
>
>Sure it is...legally, perjury is considered a 'weightier' crime than
>bribery...
>
>Federal judges have been impeached merely for frequenting bawdy houses...
>
>Any behavior which is considered misconduct in office is impeachable,
>somethign our founding fathers recognized, as they drew upon the history
>and precedents of impeachment in the English Parliamentary system...where
>members have ALSO been impeached for spending time with prostitutes...
>
>
>>Even if it is perjury. That is up to a criminal court He
>>may be indicted in a criminal indictment but he may not be brought to a
>>criminal trial untill after he leaves office.
>
>Which is why the House impeaches, and the Senate holds a trial...if two-
>thirds of the Senate deems that the charges have merit and vote the
>president out of office, then the criminal proceedings can commence...
>
>What you are arguing for is keeping a potentially criminally liable
>person in office until his term of office ends...
>
>
>>There are many other 'offenses'
>>that Clinton could be impeached on but those involve both political parties
>>and the cryptocracy.
>
>No argument there...
>
>
>June

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[CTRL] The Academic Siberia of Corporate Criminology

[BStokes45]

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 See Kris' post "Tis the Season to be Homeless."   Notice how welfare for
individuals is being taken away, but "corporate welfare"... just keeps getting
bigger.  Traditionally the Republicans have been on the side of corporations
while the Democrats have been "for the people."   It was Clinton who took away
the welfare from individuals... something the right wing has wanted for years.
So... will it be the Republicans that thwart corporate welfare.  The jails are
full or people, but not corporations that commit crimes. Circus, Circus!!!

Bob Stokes




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Date:   98-12-18 17:50:36 EST
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Want to be a corporate criminologist? Prepare for the cold winds of
academic Siberia.

The American Society of Criminology held its 50th Annual Meeting recently
in Washington, D.C. The program for the meeting lists 503 sessions. Fewer
than ten of those sessions dealt in any way with issues of white-collar
and corporate crime.

Laureen Snider, a Professor of Sociology at Queen's University in
Kingston, Ontario, Canada, attended the conference. She anticipated the
dearth of papers on corporate crime. The title of her paper: "The
Sociology of Corporate Crime: An Obituary."

Snider's point: while corporate crime itself might be increasing around
the globe, the study of corporate crime by academics has been declining
rapidly over the years.

If academics study in the field of white collar crime, they study not the
crimes committed by corporations, but crimes against corporations -- the
traditional white-collar crimes of theft, embezzlement and the like, plus
newly defined white-collar crimes such as "theft of time."

Instead of focusing on criminal pollution, or the manufacture of hazardous
pharmaceuticals that kill, or illegal union-busting by major corporations,
the few researchers studying white collar crime are looking at how
employees steal from employers.

"If, for example, you take too long on your coffee break, of if you surf
the net when you 'should' be looking at something that is directly
relevant to the employer's interest, you are guilty of the offense of
theft of time," Snider says. "You are stealing the employer's money by
taking their time."

This focus fits well with a power structure that rewards ideas supportive
of the corporate domination of society, while punishing those who would
question that domination.

Snider is one of the world's handful of corporate criminologists --
academics who focus primarily on the study of corporate crime. She is the
author of Bad Business: Corporate Crime in Canada (Nelson, 1993 and is the
editor, along with Frank Pearce, of Corporate Crime: Contemporary Debates
(University of Toronto Press, 1995).

Corporate criminologists like Snider tend to be found in out of the way
places, like Kingston, Ontario, Canada, or Adelaide, Australia, or
Scranton, Pennsylvania. For some reason, the big city major universities
in the United States find it inconvenient to put up with a corporate
criminologist.

David Friedrichs is a corporate criminologist who has settled in at the
University of Scranton in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

There, he has written Trusted Criminals: White Collar Crime In
Contemporary Society (Wadsworth Publishing, 1996), the most comprehensive
text book on the subject.

Corporate crime and violence inflicts far more damage on society than all
street crime combined? So why are Snider and Friedrichs in the tiny
minority of criminologists?

Friedrichs says the reasons are complex, but one reason is that there is
no broad-based social movement against corporate crime.

 Criminologist Jack Katz claimed that in the 1970s there was a social
movement against white collar crime, but "that claim was a little
overstated and perhaps premature," Friedrichs says.

"There was a growth in activity, both in terms of media coverage and
interest in environmental crime and federal prosecution," he told us
recently. "But there was no broad-based popular social movement."

Another reason is the fact that corporate crime is more complex and in
some ways more difficult to understand than street crime.

"Corporate crime is not as easily put into sound bites as, say, a brutal
rape and murder," Friedrichs says.

There are exceptions -- the Exxon Valdez oil spill, for example. But it is
much more complex, frustrating and expensive to have reporters investigate
and report on these kinds of activities than on street crime, he points
out.

"Silence of the Lambs, the movie about a serial killer, was a much more
successful film than Wall Street, one of the few films that looked at
white collar crime," Friedrichs says. "Serial killers cause dreadful harm
to a limited number of people. But they do not represent a major threat to
the society as a wh

Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

[KA]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote:
>I think that we fought a terrible and bloody Civil War to end
>slavery.

No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue,
and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive
statement against slavery...

But neither the emancipationists nor the women's suffragists had to stage
a coup d'etat to gain the right to vote, they were eventually able to
gain that right thru legislative means...


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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

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On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote:
>It is absolutely clear, June, that no one is going to change your
>mind. Just as it was clear today, despite reasoned, impassioned
>statements and even pleas from the Democrats for fairness and the

I listened to most of the debate on Pacifica Radio, and am watching it
right now on CSPAN...and don't know where all these 'reasoned' Democrats
of yours are...

'Impassioned', yes...but fanatical to the point of being cult followers,
ala Jonestown/Heaven's Gate...

They admit that Clinton lied and is guilty of misconduct of office, but
they don't want the constitutional process of impeachment to be
instituted, instead they bleat for a meaningless slap on the wrist...


>So where does it go from here?

To a Senate trial...where it should be...


>It did occur to me that a trial in the Senate might lead to
>exoneration.

Indeed it might...but I doubt it...I think a lot of dirt is going to
shake out, some of which might fall on congressional members on both
sides of the aisle...so Clinton will not be completely exhonerated...
but that doesn't mean that there will be enough votes to remove him from
office...


>But you could hear the deep division between people deeply committed
>to social problems and social concerns that would be shelved in the
>event of the Senate trial and the people who frankly don't give a

The Senate holds impeachment trials all the time (federal judges) and
life goes on...as it will when the president's trial commences...


>If it broke down and we were thrust into a civil war, would you know
>who to trust? Do you know which "militias" are not racist. Which are
>not infiltrated and corrupt? Would you know who are the
>real "patriots"?

Marilyn, you are the only one thinking in terms of a civil war...the rest
of us are quite willing to trust in the Constitutional processes...


>Funny--the question of our time is who is "real."

Indeed, Marilyn, indeed   ;-)


>And all this questioning of who is "real" only makes things
>absolutely surreal.

Sounds like you're a woman who is particularly 'in the know' on this
issue...care to tell us about it?  ;-)


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