Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly

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All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it

The tachyons would normally be rotating about random
axis but become uniform due to the polarisation.

Tachyons rotating about no uniform axis are effectively
inert. only when they pass though matter of any significant
mass, do they polarise and create gravitational force
toward the mass ie gravity.

If matter is then rotated about common axis and
the vector sum of the new force due to the tachyon
re-polarisation *exceeds* the gravitational force.

This new force would be known as anti-gravity.

Remember as a child trying to turn the handlebars on
your bicycle with the front wheel still turning.

The apparent weightlessness of a spinning gyroscope,
is due to effects of repolarisation of the already
polarised tachyons that cause earths gravity.

This is also the reason for the raised saucer shape of early
graviton driven ET craft.

I assume these craft have complex gyroscopic mechanisms
in which rotating electro-magnetic flywheels are driven by
coils which drive a further flywheels of a given mass  density
the axis of which will be offset by variable amounts enabling
the new offset vector force to be directionable.

Inside this flywheel would then, I assume, sit an additional
flywheel and so on.

A complex gyroscopic design would be nessessary to keep
the forces balanced and enable any kind of controlled manouver

or something like that

Would anyone like to add to this, I always get confused
when I mix rotational dynamics with electro-magnetics?

: )

Paul










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 Question: If you spin the nucleus of certain atoms on a common axis and in
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black
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[CTRL] experienced alien contact?

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly

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Just out of curiosity I'd like to know if you've had a close
encounter.

I don't just mean a sighting either, I'm particularly interested
if you recall an abduction, if you're homes have been invaded
either as an adult or child, if you had an imaginary friend. Or
a telepathic experience that may have lead to you discovering
your greater perpose. (ie mission from God)

Please don't be shyI won't laugh.

and I 'd love to hear your story.

: )

Paul

P.S. Here's a song I wrote 6 years ago, you might relate
to it  : )

http://www.endcrew.co.uk/mp3/paulzigzag/earl.mp3

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Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Matthew A. Hetland

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Mr. Reilly,


 All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it


   Where are you getting your information on tachyons from?  Just curious.


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Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly

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I recieved this information from an alien

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  All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it
 

Where are you getting your information on tachyons from?  Just curious.


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[CTRL] Britlandic Drug War

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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From www.wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : Britain

Five-fold increase in deaths from drug prescription errors in
Britain’s hospitals

By Mike Ingram
3 January 2002

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A report by the Audit Commission—a government-appointed watchdog that
monitors health and local government standards—notes that 1,100
people died in hospital from medication errors and adverse effects
from medicines in 2000. This was more than a five-fold increase on
the 200 deaths in 1999.

The commission paints a devastating picture of the way medicines are
managed in Britain’s hospitals. In addition to the tragic human
costs, the problem is costing the National Health Service (NHS) £500
million a year in l
onger hospital stays.

In one hospital, a cancer drug was over-prescribed by 1,000 times the correct dose. 
Other errors detailed include a woman with breast cancer who was prescribed the 
sleeping tablet temazepam rather than the correct drug ta
moxifen.

As well as the increase in such “accidental” deaths, the report says the most common 
cause of problems with patients is complications arising from medication. “Most errors 
are caused by the prescriber not having immediate
 access to accurate information about either the medicine —its indications, 
contraindications, interactions, therapeutic dose, or side effects—or the patient’s 
allergies, other medical conditions, or laboratory results.”

Recommending the increased use of computer technology, the report says hand-written 
prescriptions or patients’ notes contribute to the errors, as they can be illegible, 
incomplete or use inappropriate shorthand. “Many err
ors could be eliminated through the use of computer technology—a national approach is 
needed to introduce these systems,” the report states.

Also pinpointed is insufficient medical training regarding drugs; errors were most 
likely to happen when new doctors began work in hospitals. The report states that 
7,000 individual drug doses are administered each day in
 a typical hospital, and estimates that spending on medicines runs at £1.5 billion a 
year—46 percent of total hospital running costs. Pharmacy costs amount to a further 
£300 million per year.

The commission insists, “Medicines are now so central to patient care that pharmacy 
services need to be seen as a core clinical function, not a technical support 
service.” But as with every other area of health, the NHS i
s extremely short of pharmacists. The report found that one in six posts were 
currently vacant and “one half of all hospitals in the UK are unable to provide all 
their intended pharmacy services because of staff shortages
”.

The report is only the latest in a string of such documents highlighting one or 
another crisis in the NHS. Whether it is longer and larger waiting lists, rising 
deaths from mistakes in surgery, or drug errors, the underly
ing cause is one and the same. Firstly, the NHS was systematically starved of funds 
throughout 18 years of Conservative governments and, secondly, nothing substantial has 
been done to reverse this trend since Labour came
to office in 1997. Rather the problem has been compounded by the government’s 
insistence on imposing targets for the numbers being treated at a time when services 
are being either starved of funds or sent out to tender in
 the private sector.

To reverse the spiralling trend in unnecessary deaths in hospitals and provide an 
adequate health service for all requires the massive injection of public funds. This 
would mean launching a programme of recruitment and tr
aining, to substantially increase the number of doctors and nurses, as well as 
enabling the building of a modern IT infrastructure, with a patient’s medical history 
available to all medical staff at the touch of a button.
 Instead, the commission proposes to tackle staff shortages through the introduction 
of “more flexible working patterns” and “redesigning and enriching jobs to focus on 
clinical pharmacy.” However, the prerequisite for th
is is that the present low wage rates within the NHS are raised substantially.

The report also calls for the introduction of automated dispensing and the outsourcing 
of “non-core services, such as manufacturing.” Outsourcing invariably means further 
privatisation, eating into NHS budgets and placing
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[CTRL] Afghanlandic Access

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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From www.wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : The US War in Afghanistan

Oil company adviser named US representative to Afghanistan

By Patrick Martin
3 January 2002

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President Bush has appointed of a former aide to the American oil
company Unocal, Afghan- born Zalmay Khalilzad, as special envoy to
Afghanistan. The nomination was announced December 31, nine days
after the US-backed interim government of Hamid Karzai took office in
Kabul.

The nomination underscores the real economic and financial interests
at stake in the US military intervention in Central Asia. Khalilzad
is intimately involved in the long-running US efforts to obtain
direct access to the oil and gas resources of the region, largely
unexploited but believed to be the second largest in the world after
the Persian Gulf.

As an adviser for Unocal, Khalilzad drew up a risk analysis of a
proposed gas pipeline from the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan
across Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean. He participated
in talks between the oil company and Taliban officials in 1997, which
were aimed at implementing a 1995 agreement to build the pipeline
across western Afghanistan.

Unocal was the lead company in the formation of the Centgas
consortium, whose purpose was to bring to market natural gas from the
Dauletabad Field in southeastern Turkmenistan, one of the world’s
largest. The $2 billion project involved a 48-inch diameter pipeline
from the Afghanistan-Turkmenistan border, passing near the cities of
Herat and Kandahar, crossing into Pakistan near Quetta and linking
with existing pipelines at Multan. An additional $600 million
extension to India was also under consideration.

Khalilzad also lobbied publicly for a more sympathetic US government
policy towards the Taliban. Four years ago, in an op-ed article in
the Washington Post, he defended the Taliban regime against
accusations that it was a sponsor of terrorism, writing, “The Taliban
does not practice the anti-U.S. style of fundamentalism practiced by
Iran.”

“We should ... be willing to offer recognition and humanitarian
assistance and to promote international economic reconstruction,” he
declared. “It is time for the United States to reengage” the Afghan
regime. This “reengagement” would, of course, have been enormously
profitable to Unocal, which was otherwise unable to bring gas and oil
to market from landlocked Turkmenistan.

Khalilzad only shifted his position on the Taliban after the Clinton administration 
fired cruise missiles at targets in Afghanistan in August 1998, claiming that 
terrorists under the direction of Afghan-based Osama bin La
den were responsible for bombing US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. One day after the 
attack, Unocal put Centgas on hold. Two months later it abandoned all plans for a 
trans-Afghan pipeline. The oil interests began to lo
ok towards a post-Taliban Afghanistan, and so did their representatives in the US 
national security establishment.

Liasion to Islamic guerrillas

Born in Mazar-e Sharif in 1951, Khalilzad hails from the old ruling elite of 
Afghanistan. His father was an aide to King Zahir Shah, who ruled the country until 
1973. Khalilzad was a graduate student at the University of
Chicago, an intellectual center for the American right- wing, when the Soviet Union 
invaded Afghanistan in 1979.

Khalilzad became an American citizen, while serving as a key link between US 
imperialism and the Islamic fundamentalist mujahedin fighting the Soviet-backed regime 
in Kabul—the milieu out of which both the Taliban and bin
 Laden’s Al Qaeda group arose. He was a special adviser to the State Department during 
the Reagan administration, lobbying successfully for accelerated US military aid to 
the mujahedin, including hand-held Stinger anti-ai
rcraft missiles which played a key role in the war. He later became undersecretary of 
defense in the administration of Bush’s father, during the US war against Iraq, then 
went to the Rand Corporation, a top US military th
ink tank.

After Bush was installed as president by a 5-4 vote of the US Supreme Court, Khalilzad 
headed the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Defense Department and advised incoming 
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Significantl
y, however, he was not named to a subcabinet position, which would have required 
Senate confirmation and might have provoked uncomfortable questions about his role as 
an oil company adviser in Central Asia and intermediar
y with the Taliban. Instead, he was named to the National Security Council, where no 
confirmation vote was needed.

At the NSC Khalilzad reports to Condoleeza Rice, the national security adviser, who 
also served as an oil company consultant on Central Asia. After serving in the first 
Bush administration from 1989 to 1992, Rice was plac
ed on the board of directors of Chevron Corporation and served as its principal expert 
on Kazakhstan, 

[CTRL] A Date with the President

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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Clinton is coming to a Shoppers' Stop outlet close to you. We are
giving you the  opportunity to meet with him and whats more he'll
even give you a gift voucher! You can chat with him on everything
from the Taliban to Monica and get a nice Snap clicked with him also


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[CTRL] Rafsanjani warns of WWIII

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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Ex-president of Iran
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Former Iranian president Ali Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, in a major
speech, has advocated the annihilation of the state of Israel with
nuclear weapons.

If the Islamic world comes to possess nuclear weapons, he said in his
World Al-Quds Day sermon, attended by thousands of Islamic
worshippers, their use in attacking Israel would leave nothing on
the ground in the Jewish state, but would only damage Islam.

Here, collated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI, are the core 
elements of Rafsanjani's speech, delivered at Tehran University on Dec. 14. The text 
below, rather than a single direct translation, is a
composite based on reports in three Iranian newspapers – Iran News (English), Kayhan 
(Farsi) and Al-Wifaq (Arabic).

'Artificial' state of Israel

Global arrogance, led by the U.S. and U.K., is responsible for the crimes that the 
artificial state of Israel has been committing worldwide over the past half-century, 
said Rafsanjani, who currently holds the position
 of Expediency Council chairman.

The U.N. and other segments of the arrogant world have been supporting Israeli crimes, 
he said, and -- cautioning against what he called global arrogance arms buildup [by 
the U.S.] in an attempt to revive the colonialis
t era -- he asked nations and governments to prevent colonialism from attaining its 
goals.

International Zionism, Rafsanjani added, has been the driving force of this ugly 
phenomenon; Zionism is divisive; a century has passed since the onset of Zionism, but 
not every Jew is a Zionist, and not all members of
the Zionist party are Jews.

He noted that the Zionist party is still highly active worldwide, and is the driving 
force of important events taking place in the world in connection with Israel. He 
called the disasters that have occurred in the half-ce
ntury- old state of Israel an encyclopedia of colonial crimes. Palestinians are not 
the only ones to have suffered from the plan to establish this forged Israeli state; 
he said, adding that the Jews too are paying the p
rice.

Rafsanjani claimed that the Jews had a place in various parts of the world, living 
rather well in each country. But this phenomenon [Zionism] caused them to take a 
stance regarding their religious state and leave their ho
mes, under pressure and in the name of migration [to Israel]. Jews should wait for a 
day when this extraneous matter would be removed from the region and the world of 
Islam, and those who have gathered together in Israe
l would one day be dispersed again.

The formation of the Zionist state in the land of Palestine, said the former Iranian 
leader, was a multi-faceted base for colonialism. By this means, the West rid itself 
of Zionism, while establishing it in Palestine. Mea
nwhile, the colonialists affiliated themselves with Zionism and the state of Israel so 
as to keep them like a tool in their service, even though, for its own survival, 
colonialism is itself dependent on Zionism.

With the formation of Israel, colonialists created insecurity in the region, exposing 
states to threats so as to bring them under the dominion of colonialism, said 
Rafsanjani. The survival of Israel depends on the interes
ts of global arrogance and colonialism, and as long as this base is beneficial to 
them, they will preserve it.

Solving 'Israel problem' with nukes

Rafsanjani said that Muslims must surround colonialism and force them [the 
colonialists] to see whether Israel is beneficial to them or not. If one day, he said, 
the world of Islam comes to possess the weapons currently i
n Israel's possession [meaning nuclear weapons] -- on that day this method of global 
arrogance would come to a dead end. This, he said, is because the use of a nuclear 
bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, wher
eas it will only damage the world of Islam.

Is unlikely that the Palestinian jihad will weaken, said Rafsanjani, who explained 
that the Palestinians have come to the conclusion that talks [with Israel] are 
effective only along with struggle and self-sacrifice – the
 two key elements that gave way to the second Intifada. The Palestinian jihad is the 
mother of many Islamic movements, he said, ranging from the [1979] Islamic Revolution 
in Iran to Islamic movements in Lebanon, Afghanist
an, Malaysia, Central Asia, and many other Muslim states. All these Islamic movements 
support the Palestinian jihad and have not forgotten it. The Palestinian jihad has its 
roots in the homelessness of five million people
. Undoubtedly, [this jihad's] culmination will be the liberation of Palestine, he said.

The threat of WWIII

Rafsanjani added 

[CTRL] plan for Afghan partition

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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  http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=5652002
Thu 3 Jan 2002


Released papers reveal plan for Afghan partition

Gavin Cordon

BRITISH diplomats in the 1950s secretly discussed dividing up
Afghanistan between the neighbouring powers of Russia and Pakistan,
according to official files made public for the first time yesterday.

Amid concerns that the country might slide into chaos and anarchy,
one senior Foreign Office official suggested that its ultimate
disappearance would be no great tragedy.

However, papers released to the Public Record Office show the British
ambassador in Kabul, John Gardener, cautioned against military
intervention, warning that an invading army could be tied down for
years fighting a guerrilla war.

With Cold War tensions mounting, British diplomats in the early 1950s were becoming 
increasingly concerned that a weakened Afghanistan could no longer provide an 
effective buffer between an expansionist Soviet Union and
 the Indian sub-continent. Foreign Office officials began floating the idea that the 
best solution was to divide the country between Russia and Pakistan along the line of 
the Hindu Kush.

In June 1951, one senior diplomat, RH Scott, wrote to Gardener pointing out that the 
French were already suggesting that the obvious solution to the problems of the 
region was to engineer a partition.

If there is to be an upheaval sometime, as looks not unlikely, the ultimate 
disappearance of Afghanistan (as we now know it) might be no tragedy. In modern 
conditions Afghan viability may in the long run be doubtful, he
 wrote.

While he acknowledged there were, in theory, advantages to partition,
he warned that such a strategy was fraught with danger for both
Pakistan and for the Western powers.

The Afghan army could offer no effective resistance to modern forces
bent on occupation. The subsequent resistance of some of the
inhabitants would, however, cause headaches to the occupying forces,
he said.

These people, jealous of their independence, stubborn and brave
fighters of the guerrilla type on their own terrain, would make the
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[CTRL] Spotting the face

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1739000/1739413.stm

Wednesday, 2 January, 2002, 20:24 GMT
Spotting the face of deception


Heat coming off the face can be used to detect liars

By BBC News Online's Helen Briggs

The airports of the future could identify potential terrorists by
using a lie detector that spots concealed blushing with a super-
sensitive thermal imaging camera.

Liars are betrayed by the heat that rushes to their face when they
tell a fib, according to scientists in the United States.


There is an urgent need to devise technologies to identify
individuals intending to perform acts of terrorism

Mayo clinic team
Blood flow to the surface of the skin around the eyes increases when someone tells a 
lie.

The tiny hot spots are invisible to the naked eye but can be measured by thermal 
imaging, says a team led by James Levine of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

The researchers believe the new test could be used under cover at airports to identify 
potential terrorists.

They write in the journal Nature: There is an urgent need to devise technologies that 
can be used for automated, high-throughput screening to identify individuals intending 
to perform acts of terrorism.

At present, airports have to rely on a passenger's response to brief questions such 
as: Did you pack your own bags?

Hands-off approach

The new system was tested on 20 volunteers who were told to carry out a fake crime.

The individuals were asked to stab a mannequin and rob it of $20, before pleading 
their innocence when questioned.

Another group of people who had no knowledge of the crime were also tested with 
thermal imaging.

Using the equipment, the scientists managed to correctly identify as guilty 
seventy-five percent of the 'criminals', while 90% of the 'innocent' group were 
successfully cleared of blame.

The results were as good as those from a traditional polygraph, or lie detector test.


The best technology we have available to us ... is the human brain

Philip Baum, Airport Security International
Polygraphs, which have been used for many years, are accepted in some courts of law.

They monitor physiological signs like breathing, sweat production and cardiovascular 
activity.

But they have to be carried out by highly trained operators and the results take time 
to analyse.

The new method has the advantage that it is instant and can be used without physical 
contact by untrained staff in a variety of different situations.

Philip Baum, Editor of Aviation Security International, said further
trials of the test were needed under real-life conditions.

He told BBC News Online: It shows promise but there's a long way to
go.

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[CTRL] lull in Israeli-Palestinian

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=112278disp
layTypeCd=1sideCd=1contrassID=2
w w w . h a a r e t z d a i l y . c o m

Background / A new religious-secular battle comes to the fore

In a sure sign of a lull in Israeli-Palestinian bloodletting,
fighting across the religious-secular divide flared Monday, spurred
by a bill to redefine the great chimera of Israeli politics: the
legal status quo surrounding the Jewish Sabbath.

Traditionally, infighting over such sensitive religious issues as
Who is a Jew? and Sabbath traffic and commerce laws, has been
stilled during times of military strife, often resurfacing the moment
that war, terrorism or uprisings are quieted down.

This week was no exception.

Aiming to forge a broad consensus over one of the nation's most
contentious issues, senior lawmakers from five key parties - the
Likud, Labor, Shas, the National Religious and Center factions -
joined forces to mold a new law they believed could quell long-
smoldering debates over public regulations governing the Sabbath.

The bill would forbid a wide range of commercial and manufacturing
activities during the Sabbath. At the same time, the proposed law
would turn a blind eye to the operation of establishments providing
entertainment - including restaurants, bars, cafes, theaters and
cinemas - and would allow privately operated public transportation.

In fact, comments Ha'aretz correspondent Dalia Shehori, the bill does not spell out 
the liberalizing elements of the law, rather they are implied in what it does not 
prohibit.

Our entire goal was to reach a form of agreement over what was permissible and what 
was forbidden, said a co-sponsor of the bill, Nahum Langental of the National 
Religious Party. Every law is worded with a negative mea
ning. It says what it prohibits ... If only that is what it prohibits, that alone is 
what is forbidden. The range of other things – to my sorrow, as an observant man, I 
must say – apparently will be permitted on the Sabba
th.

Langental suggested that in return for a ban on selling and production of goods - 
strictly forbidden by Jewish tradition on the Sabbath - some religious politicians 
would be willing to bend on what avowedly non-religious
figures have extolled in recent years as secular culture: live theater, film, 
nightlife and other leisure activities.

We banned commerce, but we are remaining silent on other matters, because we 
understand that this is a part of secular culture, of how they want to experience it 
on the Sabbath, and this will be permissible for them, La
ngental said.

Instead of healing wounds, however, the new bill seemed only to open old ones.

It is most bizarre to see the weakness of thought which has attacked the secular 
parties, which have suddenly decided to grant a hechsher [rabbinical certificate of 
approval] to religious coercion, said leftist oppositi
on leader Yossi Sarid of the secular Meretz party, a portion of whose constituency are 
kibbutz members whose economic livelihood is based in part on kibbutz-owned shopping 
centers which flourish on the Sabbath.

The language of the bill does not specifically rule out operation of kibbutz-owned 
stores, but Sarid said that would be the effect of the legislation. Most of the 
Israeli population requires these shopping centers to buy
 the goods their families need, and I see no reason to keep hundreds of thousands of 
families from living the lives they prefer, he said.

But religious Israelis countered that Sarid's contention reflected precisely why such 
a new law was needed. They said that the culture of driving on Sabbath to make 
purchases - acts proscribed by Jewish law - was also c
ontributing to an American-style materialism that threatened to undermine traditional 
values in Israel.

For a wary Chief Rabbi Israel Meir Lau, the jury was still out on the new bill. Lau 
strongly backed the prohibitions on commerce and manufacturing, but had clear 
reservations over easing limitations on leisure activities.


Alluding to kibbutzim and other settlements that have built shopping malls on land 
intended for agriculture, Lau said the current reality was an impossible one, with lax 
enforcement effectively permitting violations of bo
th Jewish and Israeli law that led to businesses being open on the Sabbath. Instead 
of this soil being used for making the wasteland bloom, it has been turned into stores 
to sell shoes and toys on the Holy Sabbath, he s
aid.

Today the situation is one almost of cancellation of the Sabbath, and if there is an 
element of reducing the damage of Sabbath desecration, then there is definitely 
something to talk about, said Lau, who added: No one
could expect a rabbi to come out and say 'I can allow, or close my eye, to Sabbath 
desecration.

Lau warned of a risk that if the message of the importance of the Sabbath is not 
adequately put across to the public, then it will be very difficult to enforce a law 
like this 

[CTRL] bushfires rage

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,627132,00.html

11.30am update

Thousands flee as bushfires rage

Staff and agencies
Thursday January 3, 2002
The Guardian

Fast-moving forest fires cut off two tiny Australian coastal villages
today after destroying as many as 20 houses in a third town nearby,
forcing thousands of evacuees to seek shelter on the beach.

More than 7,000 people, many of them summer holidaymakers, ran for
their lives last night when the inferno raced into Sussex Inlet, a
resort about 120 miles south of Sydney, police said.

On Thursday afternoon the blaze swept north, cutting off roads to the
nearby towns of Bendalong and Berringer Lake and trapping 2,000
people, said local rural fire service spokeswoman June Webster.

The blaze was one of more than 100, dubbed the black Christmas fires, which have 
brought havoc to Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, for 11 days, 
blackening hundreds of thousands of acres of bush and farm
land.

No lives have been lost, but more than 160 houses have been destroyed to the north, 
west and south of Sydney, a city of four million people.

Fires were also burning on scrubland in its northern suburbs, threatening hundreds 
more homes. Insurance officials estimate damages at A$70m (£25m).

More than 20,000 firefighters are battling the flames, which stretch for a total of 
more than 1,200 miles across the state.

Helicopters are dumping water on the fires, and in some places fire crews pumped water 
from backyard swimming pools, or even used buckets.

We were in the eye of the storm, said Julie Adler, who witnesses the fire at Sussex 
Inlet. We had fire all around us. It was absolutely horrendous.

Many people braved choking smoke and a fast-moving wall of fire as they drove out of 
the resort. Firefighters, mostly volunteers, went from house to house saving lives and 
property.

Cut off by 50ft flames that jumped roads, other people ran to the safety of the open 
beach and community clubhouses.

More than 300 people slept in tents erected on a football field at a nearby navy base. 
They stayed there as the immediate danger passed, too frightened to move amid fears 
that erratic winds might whip up new spot fires.

Officials denied allegations that the blaze was the result of bungled backburning by 
overworked and fatigued fire crews.

Later, the fire raced around Bendalong and Berringer Lake where residents also sought 
safety on beaches.

Other big fires were reported in the Blue Mountains, 50 miles west of Sydney, 
prompting many residents to leave their homes as a precaution.

At least half of the wildfires have been started deliberately. Police have arrested 21 
arson suspects, including 14 juveniles aged between nine and 16 years, who have been 
characterised as troublemakers bored during the c
urrent summer school holidays.

An outraged New South Wales government has promised to punish the offenders severely 
for what the state premier, Bob Carr, said were acts of madness and wickedness.

While adult offenders would face prison terms of up to 14 years, young firebugs would 
be made to confront burn victims and families who lost homes, and work on 
rehabilitation projects for scorched forests.

Today temperatures, that had climbed above 38C (100F) earlier in the week, dropped and 
brought some relief. However, there was no sign of desperately needed rain, and 
westerly winds roared in from Australia's arid outback
, fanning flames and scattering red-hot embers to start new blazes.

Thick smoke has shrouded Sydney for days. The magnitude of the crisis
has been highlighted by reports from New Zealand, 1,400 miles to the
east of mainland Australia, that ash blown high into the atmosphere
has produced dramatic crimson sunsets.

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[CTRL] 'Micks' no better than 'Prods'

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2002/0103/1369434257HMSPRACHE
L.html

Devious 'Micks' no better than 'Prods' claimed British official

For the first time since it was established in 1972, the Northern
Ireland Office released some of its secret documents. These shed
light on the attitudes of civil servants toward the two tribes.

In his final letter to the British government on March 6th, 1970,
after spending six months seconded to Northern Ireland, Wright
described Northern Irish society as tribal.

In his appraisal of the two communities, he said the natives and
Scots Calvinist colonists stranded by partition liked each other
about as well as dog and cat, Arab and Jew, Greek and Turkish
Cypriot, separated from birth by ghettos and by educational
apartheid.

Although more sinned against than sinning, he observed, Catholics
were far from blameless when it came to Northern Ireland's problems.

And in language rarely used in official British circles, he wrote:
In true Irish fashion the Micks have enjoyed provoking the Prods as
much as the Prods have enjoyed retaliating. It makes the Prods' blood
boil - and all
Irish blood boils at very low temperature - to see the Micks enjoying the superior 
material benefits of the British connection while continuing to wave the Tricolour at 
them.

Protestants didn't escape Wright's waspish tongue either. Many were driven by a desire 
for hatred and vengeance and too many looked to the one man with charisma in Ulster, 
a man of God, the Rev Ian Paisley, to give it to
 them.

It was no surprise that Ulstermen seemed naturally pessimistic. They have a lot to be 
pessimistic about, he added.

In 1970 Britain's ambassador to Ireland said the Taoiseach, Mr Lynch, deserved his 
reputation for political and personal integrity but expressed concern about the future 
of his party leadership.

In another document, a note to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office intended as part of 
a briefing for the prime minister, Edward Heath, Sir John Peck observed that Lynch 
enjoyed support for his peace policy, the practice
 of Fianna Fáil closing its ranks when in trouble and his skilful political attitude.

But he noted that Lynch's political survival depended on many factors, including 
reform in Northern Ireland and that the Arms Trial should not end in acquittals or a 
farcical denouement . . .

Britain's most senior army officer delivered a devastating critique of the RUC at the 
start of the Troubles, describing it as behind the times, poorly led, and with a 
sadly inefficient special branch. Gen Sir Geoffr
ey Baker, chief of the general staff, who visited Northern Ireland as the Labour 
government sent in troops, was shocked at what he saw. The RUC special branch, he 
said, was badly organised and run, with the result that s
peculation and guesswork largely replace intelligence. Moreover, the RUC only told NI 
ministers what it deemed fit they should hear, said Sir Geoffrey.

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Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Matthew A. Hetland

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 I thought that was where all the good, up-to-date information on
gravitational wave physics came from  :)

M. Hetland


 I recieved this information from an alien

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   All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it
  
 
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[CTRL] Guardsman shoots self at SFO

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Howard

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FYI
Here is a report form the Torrance, CA Daily Breeze that should make all air
travelers feel safer.

Hint: Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

San Francisco (AP) A National Guardsman accidentally shot himself at San
Francisco Internatrional Airport last week while trying to remove his gun
from his holster.

Louis E. Alvarez, a National Guard Specialist, was going off duty about 11 pm
Friday when the accident happened, according to SFC Tom Jacobs.

He was going through a procedure to make sure his M-9 pistol was clear of
ammunition when he had trouble removing the gun from its holster and it went
off. The shot went  through his hip and exited at his buttocks.

Alvarez was taken to San Francisco General Hospital and was released Saturday
afternoon.

The Shooting happened at a courtyard in the international terminal away from
passengers.

Jacobs said the National Guard had opened a formal investigation. San
Francisco police also investigated.

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[CTRL] FW: Kids Arrested for NOT Watching Commercials

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Students locked up after refusing to watch Channel One When Ohioteenagers DJ and Carlotta Maurer walked out of their classrooms inOctober to protest the compulsory viewing of Channel One, a televisionprogram with commercials which is shown in schools across America,school officials realized they had a couple of dangerous radicals ontheir hands. Principal Patrick Calvin invoked the truancy provision ofthe school's code of student conduct, and 13-year-old DJ and14-year-old Carlotta were whisked away to the Wood County JuvenileDetention Center, where they had all day to consider their crime.Since then, Commercial Alert and Obligation, Inc., two nationalanti-media groups, have taken up the Maurers' cause. The groups wroteto Ohio Governor Bob Taft, urging him to remove Channel One from allpublic schools."When the government sends children to a juvenile detention centerbecause they don't want to watch advertising, that is both Orwellianand more than a little sick," reads the letter. "The public schoolsought to be a sanctuary from the noxious aspects of commercialculture."The governor has not responded to the letter. But the school is innegotiation with the Maurers, who have religious objections totelevision. It seems a day in the lockup didn't cool their heelsenough to keep them from kicking.- Eliza Strickland

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http://www.efinancialnews.com/archive/

Banking and investment industries face aftermath of US tragedy
Staff reporters -  12 Sep 2001 updated at 14:55 GMT

 A spokeswoman for the Carlyle Group, with offices on Madison Avenue,
said the building had been cleared, but that most of the firm's executives
were at an investor conference in Washington. The city was also subject to a
suicide bomber's attack on the Pentagon. Carlyle's executives are stranded
in Washington for the time being, because all internal and external flights
in the US are suspended. 


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Re: [CTRL] THE WHITE SPEC TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOWERS

2002-01-03 Thread RevCOAL

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From: Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You've probably all seen it before.  Still the SPEC
remains somewhat of a CURIOSITY.

Not to those of us in the NYC metro broadcast area

It's a helicopter.  One of the main video clips that is constantly shown
over and over again of the 2nd plane hitting the WTC shows the opposite
angle that the clip on this website shows...IOW, the clip on the website
shows the towers from a viewpoint to the west viewing east, while the clip
that is usually broadcast over and over again on the media shows the WTC
from a viewpoint to the east and somewhat south, viewing westDOH!
Right where 'the mysterious spec' is on the website's clip...

The video that was taken from the east and south of the WTC viewing west
was done by WCBS' traffic helicopter which was broadcasting live; I know, I
watched it live, and it indeed moved in the direction described on the
website after the 2nd plane hit -- gee, I guess the idea of a media
helicopter shooting video from another direction, and then moving to get a
better view of the 2nd hit is just not exotic enough for some fevered
imaginations...

This particular media helicopter was located just where the 'spec' is on
the website's video clip, and would have presumably noticed an alien
spaceship hovering in the area, as would the at least half dozen other
media helicopters that were buzzing around the breaking story of the first
WTC plane crash.  On any weekday there are at least a half dozen traffic
helicopters broadcasting for the many NYC television stations, not to
mention quite a few NYC radio stations who also have their own traffic
helicopters...

I've seen video of the 2nd plane crashing taken from at least 4 different
angles; there is the one shown on the website in question (which obviously
had to have been taken from a hovering helicopter itself); there is another
one view of the 2nd plane taken from a helicopter that was a little to the
south of the viewpoint shown on the website, so that the plane is seen
heading more directly toward the camera; there is the view that I described
above, taken from a hovering helicopter opposite the above 2 helicopters,
both of which had to be over the Hudson River -- this 3rd view was shot by
a helicopter hovering over lower Manhattan, pointing towards the Hudson
River; the 4th view I've seen was from a helicopter hovering over Manhattan
to the north of the towers, and shows the plane coming from the north and
crashing into the south tower -- the side that was crashed into is directly
facing the camera...

So to reiterate -- I've seen at least 4 separate videos of the 2nd crash, 2
of which were taken by helicopters hovering to the west of the towers over
the Hudson River, pointing east; one hovering to the east of the towers
over lower Manhattan, pointing west; and a 4th hovering to the north of the
towers over midtown Manhattan, pointing south...

I'm sure that there were even more helicopters in the area that were
reporting for the many radio stations, and so didn't shoot any video but
were definitely cluttering up the airspace around the WTC...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Wrong Again, June......

2002-01-03 Thread RevCOAL

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Well June once again you are incorrect - so call me a liar again...

In regards to you saying the art exhibit was in the entry of the library,
yes you ARE a liar...


I worked with a real pro astrologer who was astrologer to Ronald
Reagan, a Queen, and other numerous prominent figures - her name
was Sybil Leek.

Who you have trashed in other posts, so why should we give any credence to
her supposed astrological expertise...

Leek billed herself as a witch, not an astrologer; give us some direct
quotes regarding what she's said regarding the supposed astrological
properties of Saturn...


I said Saturn stood for decay; you stated this was incorrect?   Check
your facts June, and go fly a kite - that Rainbow Kite you maintain you
fly outside your apartment.

I've never said I flew any sort of a kite outside of my apartment, rainbow
or otherwise...

And you claiming that I did, and your continual lies regarding the art
exhibit in the library, shows just how much credence we should put into
your 'memories' of Sybil Leek and what she supposedly said or wrote...


Maybe you are not aware that orientals and royals still (including the
royal family of Nepal murdered by infiltrators) all follow astrology -
often used as a method of communication.

What does THAT have to do with anything?  I was just pointing out what
Saturn REALLY stands for in astrology, I was not commenting on the validity
of astrology nor on whom believes in it...

Prince Charles, who we all know you hate, also follows astrology...


Once again your lack of knowledge is obvious; further as I recall the
last time Jupiter and Saturn were above New York City and of course
other areas, duh..was in 1782; therefore it was not a common
occurrence.

Again, what does that have to do with the price of coffee in Brazil?

I made no comment on whether this was a common occurance or not; what I
pointed out was YOUR error in claiming that this astronomical alignment
only occured over New York, while the article you were referring to itself
pointed out that the same alignment would be seen over any city in the
northern hemisphere...so while it may not be a common alignment, it was NOT
unique to NYC...


Better check out this Baade while you are at it who did live in
Netherlands who claimed to see Icarus that day in 1968 when nobody else
did.though years laer NASA noted they had

I think you need to discuss your meds with your doctor...they obviously
need to be adjusted

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[CTRL] Fwd: Threats and Counter-Threats Over Kashmir

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Both India and 
  Kashmiri Fighters Issue New Threats
  



 MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington 
  - 1/02/02: The year 2002 may well see terrible potentially 
  catastrophic destruction in many parts of the world, including the 
  Sub-continent, the Arabian Peninsula, and the area of the Middle East once known 
  as the Holy Land. The conflicts in these regions are not being 
  settled, they are in fact being inflamed. And the historic 
  expansion of the American "War Against Terrorism" into an excuse 
  to enforce a Pax America creates asituation of unending tensionand untold 
  blowback in the years now immediately ahead. 
  

India Says 
  It Would Use All Military Might in Defense 
  By Penny MacRae and Robert Birsel 

  

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters - 1/02/02) - Nuclear-armed India said Wednesday it was prepared to use its full military might to defend itself amid threats by Pakistan-based Islamic guerrilla groups to mount further attacks on the country. 

Nuclear rivals Pakistan and India have come to the brink of war following an assault last month on India's parliament which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan-based Kashmiri separatists. 

"Whatever weapon is available, we will use it to defend ourselves," Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee said in his constituency of Lucknow in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. 

"And if because of that weapon the attacker is defeated ... if he is killed, we should not be held responsible," said Vajpayee, who analysts say is under pressure to appear tough ahead of state elections in the politically crucial state of Uttar Pradesh. 

India carried out nuclear tests in 1998 which were followed by tit-for-tat blasts by Pakistan. It has adopted a "no first use" policy for its nuclear weapons, saying they would only be used in retaliation. But Pakistan, whose conventional forces are far inferior, has not adopted a similar policy. 

Following the parliament attack in which 14 people died, India demanded that Pakistan crack down on Muslim militants operating from its soil against India and said all options were open including war unless Islamabad acted. 

Earlier the country's Defense Minister George Fernandes told Reuters that Indian forces had completed their biggest-ever buildup but were "not in battle positions." 

He held out hope that diplomacy could still avert a war with Pakistan. "Efforts are being made to defuse the situation through diplomatic intervention," he said. 

URGING RESTRAINT 

All political parties in India are urging the government to use diplomacy as the first choice. 

But Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad, accused of the parliament attack, threatened fresh violence. 

Security was tightened at India's famed Taj Mahal monument after Indian officials they said they had received an e-mail from Lashkar-e-Taiba threatening to blow up the landmark to love. 

And Jaish-e-Mohammad said in a statement published in newspapers in the revolt-racked Kashmir region that they would carry out new attacks on Indian security forces. 

"We are in possession of more deadly and sophisticated weapons and they will be fully used against the military and paramilitary forces of India in the coming days," the group said. 

Hours later a grenade exploded in Srinagar, Kashmir's main city, wounding 20 people including five policemen, police said. Elsewhere, in a space of 24 hours, 18 people were killed across strife-torn Kashmir, India's only Muslim-majority state. 

The border remained tense as Indian police said four Pakistani soldiers were killed when Indian and Pakistani troops fired mortars and heavy machineguns across the frontier. 

Pakistan has so far rounded up around 100 activists in response to India's demands to arrest militants, according to officials of the Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba. 

India has called the arrests a step in the right direction. 

But Jaish-e-Mohammad said it would seek to escape the net by shifting its offices into the Indian-controlled part of the Kashmir which covers two-thirds of the disputed region. 

Amid mounting international alarm about the specter of war, President Bush has weighed in with calls for restraint by both parties, telephoning Vajpayee and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf urging talks. 

British Prime Minister Tony Blair was due to arrive in the subcontinent later this week but his government played down talk he might act as a peace broker. 

NO BLAIR PEACE PLAN 

"There is no Blair peace plan that the prime minister could or should take out of his pocket," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in London. 

Independent political analyst Prem Shankar Jha said it 

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002001669,00.html
London Times

THURSDAY JANUARY 03 2002
Hamas 'has Saudi links'
FROM CHRISTOPHER WALKER IN JERUSALEM

 ISRAEL disclosed yesterday, on the eve of a new US peace mission, that it
had arrested a Hamas activist who had been to Saudi Arabia to arrange
funding for a home-made missile industry for Palestinian terrorists.

The disclosure of Saudi involvement in the escalating Islamic campaign being
mounted against Israel has added a dimension to the war against terror for
which Israel claims justification in the same way as the US is fighting
backers of Osama bin Laden.

A spokesman for Ariel Sharon, the Prime Minister, said that detailed
documents found two weeks ago on the activist, named as Osama Karika, 27,
and recruited in the Gaza Strip last August by Nidal Farhat, a leading Hamas
guerrilla, had provided detailed information about the group¹s attempt to
build a short-range missile industry for use in the West Bank. He claimed
that the details had been passed to Yassir Arafat¹s ³security mechanisms²,
but that no action had been taken against Mr Farhat so far.

Earlier, Mr Sharon told Jan Petersen, Norway¹s Foreign Minister: ³Arafat is
neither carrying out counter-terrorist operations nor making arrests.² The
same information will be passed to the US envoy, Anthony Zinni, who begins a
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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Bill Blum on 911

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This test consists of one (1) multiple-choice question (so you better
get it right!)

Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end
of World War II, compiled by historian William Blum:

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

In how many of these instances did a democratic government,
respectful of human rights, occur as a direct result?  Choose one of
the following:

(a) 0
(b) zero
(c) none
(d) not a one
(e)  a whole number between -1 and +1

(The list doesn't include Iran and Chile, both of which the US didn't
bomb but backed thuggish coups.)

But, hey, glad we're going to end our streak of mistakes by backing a
government in Afghanistan that respects women and human rights,
because as our track record clearly shows, we're quite concerned
about that, far more than we are about relatively unimportant things
like oil or natural resources.


http://www.konformist.com/911/flyer.htm

Flyer that should be dropped over the United States

This brief commentary comes courtesy of Bill Blum, author of Killing
Hope and Rogue State.


United States military flyer dropped over Afghanistan

Do you enjoy being ruled by the Taliban?  Are you proud to live a
life of  fear?  Are you happy to see the place your family has owned
for generations a terrorist training site?  Do you want a regime that
is turning Afghanistan into the Stone Age and giving Islam a bad
name?  Are you proud to live under a government that harbors
terrorists?  Are you proud to live in a nation ruled by extreme
fundamentalists?  The Taliban have robbed your country of your
culture and heritage.  They have destroyed your national monuments,
and cultural artifacts.  They rule by force, violence, and fear based
on the advice of foreigners.  They insist that their form of Islam is
the one and  only form, the true form, the divine form. They see
themselves as religious experts, even though they are ignorant.  They
kill, commit injustice, keep you in poverty and claim it is in the
name of God.
*
Flyer that should be dropped over the United States:

Do you enjoy being ruled by the Republican-Democratic Party?  Are
you proud to live a life of fear, insecurity and panic?  Are you
happy to see the place your family has owned for generations taken
away by a bank?  Do you want a regime that is turning the United
States into a police state and giving Christianity a bad name?  Are
you proud to live under a government that harbors hundreds of
terrorists in Miami?  Are you proud to live in a nation ruled by
extreme capitalists and religious conservatives?  The capitalists
have robbed your country of your equality and justice.  They have
destroyed your national parks and rivers and corrupted your media,
your elections and your personal relations.  They rule by threat of
unemployment, hunger, and homelessness based on the advice of a god
called the market.  They insist that their form of organizing a
society and remaking the world is the one and only form, the true
form, the divine form.  They see themselves as morality experts, even
though they are ignorant.  They bomb, invade, assassinate, torture,
overthrow, commit injustice, keep you and the world in poverty and
claim it is in the name of God.

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The Pedophocracy, Part V: 
It Couldn't Happen Here

By David McGowan

(McGowan is the author of Derailing Democracy and Understanding the F-
Word,and is also the administrator of the website The Center for an 
Informed America)

 

Prosecutor Dan Casey: Did you exercise any kind of mind control over 
your wife in order to get her to have sexual contact?

Frank Fuster: If I had that power, you think I would use it against 
… ?

You know ... I don't ... I have never. I'm a normal human being.

 

On August 8, 1984, Bobby Dean stood on the front lawn of the Fuster 
home in the Country Walk housing development - a picture-perfect, 
planned community of relatively upscale suburban homes in Dade 
County, Florida. By all appearances, this was a small slice of 
paradise – an oasis untouched by the grim realities of American 
society.

On this day though, Dean had a loaded gun in his waistband and he 
fully intended to use it. He was there to finish the job that someone 
else had failed to complete on December 18 of 1980. On that day, an 
unidentified assailant had confronted Francisco Fuster Escalona (aka 
Frank Fuster) at his place of business and shot him once in the side 
of the head.

Fuster survived the attack, which he explained to the police as a 
botched robbery, though the officers thought it looked more like an 
attempted execution. Dean didn't get the chance to make another 
attempt; police were on the scene in short order to arrest him.

Fuster himself surrendered to police two days later in response to 
the issuance of an arrest warrant. He had been under investigation 
following accusations by neighborhood parents that he and his wife, 
Iliana, had been brutally abusing their children while in the trusted 
care of the Fuster's babysitting service – run out of their Country 
Walk home.

Fuster had, shall we say, rather questionable qualifications to run a 
day care center. On January 16, 1969, Fuster pumped two shots into 
the heart of a fellow motorist in New York City, killing him 
instantly. An off-duty police officer was, curiously enough, an 
eyewitness to the summary execution.

Even more curiously, Fuster chambered another round and pointed his 
gun directly at the armed officer – and yet wasn't shot. He was 
arrested though, and tried and convicted before the year was out. On 
Halloween day (needless to say, yet another occult holiday), he was 
sentenced to a ten year prison term. He was back on the streets in 
less than four, after which he received `psychiatric care.'

In November of 1982, he was convicted again – this time of a lewd 
assault on a nine-year-old girl. Despite being his second felony 
conviction, Fuster was sentenced to just two years probation. It was 
while on probation for the child molestation conviction that Fuster 
and his underage wife started up the babysitting service.

His probation officer apparently had no problem with this business 
venture, although it brought Fuster into unsupervised contact with at 
least fifty kids. At least thirty of them were horrifically abused. 
Fuster's probation officer also had no problem with the fact that 
Frank had self-terminated his court-ordered psychiatric treatment in 
August of 1983.

No one really seems to have been too concerned about Fuster's 
babysitting service, which - in addition to being run by a convicted 
child molester - was operating without proper licensing and in 
violation of local zoning laws. Commercial enterprises were expressly 
forbidden in the residential community.

Nevertheless, the service operated with the full knowledge of the 
entity managing the complex. In fact, Fuster's service used the name 
Country Walk Babysitting Service, implying that his was an officially 
sanctioned service provided for the community.

The management company, Arvida, denied there were ever any official 
links to the Fuster operation after Frank's past and present 
activities were revealed. This, of course, was to be expected. Given 
that Arvida was a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company, it wouldn't 
really do to be perceived as having connections to a child 
molestation operation.

The fact remains though that the company took no actions against 
Fuster for the illegal expropriation of the `Country Walk' name or 
for violating zoning regulations. Dade County also took a hands-off 
approach to the Fuster business enterprise. Despite the fact that 
Frank lacked other required licenses, the convicted murderer was 
issued an occupational license to run the babysitting service.

Detective Donna Meznarich was the first police investigator sent to 
look into the allegations being made by the Country Walk parents. She 
was openly skeptical of the charges before she even knew what they 
actually were. The parents felt that she came calling with 

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The Pedophocracy, Part VI: 
Finders Keepers

By David McGowan

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Little girls have to learn that their fathers are off limits when it 
comes to gratification of sexual feelings 
Dr. Richard Gardner, another vocal member of the False Memory 
Syndrome Foundation, explaining how children are to blame for their 
molestation (in The Toronto Star, February 4, 1996)

 

Just a few years later, yet another case broke in the state of 
Florida. On February 7 of 1987, not long before the Franklin and the 
Spence cases broke, the Washington Post ran an interesting story that 
did not at the time seem to have any particular national 
significance. The article concerned a case of possible kidnapping and 
child abuse, and read in part as follows:

 

Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found 
with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered material 
yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960's 
style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as 
a 'cult' that allegedly conducted 'brainwashing' and used 
children 'in rituals.'

D.C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to 
the group removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, 
photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible 
through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were 
wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some 
were of naked children.

D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed 
pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be 'cult rituals.' 
Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the 
investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes 
photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of 
animals and one photograph of a child in chains. 

Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child 
pornography operation was being conducted ... Their links to the D.C. 
area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that 
includes the Finders - a group of about 40 people that court 
documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie - and their 
various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover 
Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm in rural 
Madison County, Va. ...

The children, identified in a court document only by the first names 
of Honeybee, John, Franklin, Bee Bee, Max and Mary, were described 
as 'dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated.' They had been 
living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said. 
Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6 yr. 
old girl, 'showed signs of sexual abuse' ...

Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and 
none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers. 
However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. 
She said that the two men 'were their teachers,' according to Hunt ...

Before their arrests in the park, [the two adult caretakers] had 
told police that they were teachers from Washington 'transporting 
these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children,' 
according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's 
mothers were they said they were being weaned from their mothers.

 

This was just one of many such stories that emerged across the 
country in the late 1980s, a phenomenon that would quickly be 
denounced as a `witch hunt' and as a `satanic panic.' It would be 
nearly seven years before the press would revisit this particular 
manifestation of what would come to be regarded as a modern-day case 
of mass hysteria.

It was the U.S. News and World Report that would ultimately provide 
the follow-up to the Finders story, but this was certainly not in the 
interest of shining any light on the earlier allegations. Most 
likely, the strange saga of the Finders would have disappeared 
forever if not for the rumors surrounding the case that just wouldn't 
seem to go away.

These rumors were addressed in the U.S. News report as follows: One 
of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the Finders are 
somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. Customs Service 
documents reveal that in 1987, when Customs agents sought to 

[CTRL] Fwd: YOU'VE BEEN HACKED

2002-01-03 Thread RoadsEnd



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YOU'VE BEEN HACKED
AOL/Time Warner announced that its Instant Message software has
a security hole.  AOL is warning its users that the hole can
allow hackers to take complete control of their systems.  AOL is
promising a fix for the security breach.

SUPER-COMPUTERS FOR RUSSIA AND CHINA
The Bush administration has agreed to allow Intel and Motorola
to export high-speed computer systems and chips to Russia,
China, India and Pakistan.  No word on whether required end user
checks will be made to ensure that military weapons designers
will not acquire the super-high speed chips.  The Clinton
administration previously allowed high-speed computers to be
exported to military end users inside Russia and China,
resulting in a new arms race of advanced nuclear weapons.

XP CELL PHONE FEATURE
A curious feature of Microsoft Windows XP automatically
recognizes cell phones equipped with infrared light links.  The
feature could allow hackers unauthorized and unlimited access a
cell phone with no apparent physical connection.  The feature
installs the cell phone as another dial-up line out.  Security
experts don't think this is a major threat since the infrared
link is limited in range to a few feet.  Hackers, however, are
scrambling to take advantage of the feature by using laser
enhanced infrared links that allow connections at distances up
to several hundred yards away.

CLASSIFIED GAMBLING
A Federal Judge has agreed to allow the FBI to withhold
information on national security grounds during a trial about
illegal gambling.  U.S. Judge Nicholas Politan agreed to
withhold information about classified FBI surveillance systems
from the defense during the trial of Nicodemo Scarfo, a New
Jersey man accused of illegal gambling and book making.  The FBI
reportedly used a highly sensitive and classified system to
obtain the PGP encryption pass phrase from Scarfo's computer.
Scarfo's attorney is appealing the ruling.


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2002-01-03 Thread RoadsEnd



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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Newmont raises Normandy offer; Anglo won't keep bidding

2002-01-03 Thread RoadsEnd



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By Darren Schuettler and Sophie Hares

JOHANNESBURG/SYDNEY, Jan 3 (Reuters) -- Newmont Mining
looked poised to win a takeover battle for Australia's
Normandy Mining with a sweetened bid on Thursday, as
AngloGold Ltd refused to up its latest offer.

U.S.-based Newmont had earlier boosted the cash element
of its offer by 10 Australian cents per share, with the Normandy
board recommending the A$4.3 billion (U.S. $2.2 billion) offer.

Normandy, Australia's biggest gold miner, is a sought-after
prize as its annual 2 million ounces of production will make the
winning bidder the world's largest producer of gold -- a position
currently held by the South African group.

Newmont is now offering 50 cents cash plus 0.0385 Newmont
shares for each Normandy share, valuing the firm at A$1.93
per share. Normandy shares are currently trading at around
A$1.83.

The Newmont bid tops AngloGold's cash and scrip bid, which
values Normandy at A$1.81 a share or A$4.04 billion, based
on latest closing prices.

AngloGold said it would not increase its offer, leaving the way
clear for Newmont to clinch the deal.

AngloGold's offer is full and fair and the company has no
basis upon which it could justify an increase in its offer,
AngloGold Chairman and CEO Bobby Godsell said in a
statement.

Shares in AngloGold, majority-owned by London-based
Anglo American Plc, extended the morning's sharp gains to
more than 5 percent immediately after the announcement.

By 1430 GMT the shares were up 3.7 percent at 447 rand,
outperforming a 2.9 percent gain by Johannesburg's gold
index.

AngloGold shares had risen earlier amid investor
expectations that the South African firm would not overpay
for the Australian miner. They also benefited from the weaker
rand.

I think they've drawn the line. I don't think they can justify to
Anglo or their own shareholders going any further, said
HSBC Securities analyst Rob Edwards.

AngloGold has argued its bid offers better value because
the South African firm has a stronger track record of profitability,
and generating cash to reinvest and pay dividends.

I don't think it's a done deal, I think AngloGold will get some
(Normandy) shares, Edwards said.

Newmont shares, which closed at US$19.09 on Wednesday,
were almost 2 percent lower just after the New York opening,
losing 36 cents to stand at $18.73.

A steep fall in Newmont's share price would appear to be
AngloGold's last hope of winning the bid battle if it will not
increase the cash component of its own offer.

Newmont said its bid offered better value for shareholders
in the Australian company.

Our bid is clearly superior to AngloGold's and provides
Normandy shareholders significantly higher overall value,
approximately 67 percent more cash up front and the ability
to participate in the world's premier gold company, Wayne
Murdy, Newmont's chief executive said earlier in a statement.

Newmont's latest offer is the sixth bid for Normandy and tops
an independent A$1.48-A$1.88 a share valuation at the start
of the four-month takeover battle.

Normandy Chief Executive Robert Champion de Crespigny
said Newmont's trading liquidity and planned acquisition of
Canada's Franco-Nevada Mining Corp enhanced the
long-term value of the deal over AngloGold's offer.

The revised Newmont bid continues to be superior to the
offer by AngloGold and has the full support of the Normandy
board, de Crespigny said in a statement.

Newmont, which would fund the cash component under its
existing US$600 million revolving credit facility, said it
was on track to complete both the Normandy and
Franco-Nevada acquisitions in mid-February.

AngloGold is backed by Canada's Barrick Gold Corp,
which has said it would cooperate with the South African
miner on operations in Australia and Tanzania.

AngloGold says its alliance with Barrick would deliver
synergies of A$220 million in the medium term, enough
to compensate for the higher Normandy offer it made a
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: YOU'VE BEEN HACKED

2002-01-03 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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- Original Message -
From: RoadsEnd@...

 YOU'VE BEEN HACKED
AOL/Time Warner announced that its Instant Message software has
a security hole.  AOL is warning its users that the hole can
allow hackers to take complete control of their systems.  AOL is
promising a fix for the security breach.

---

More on this with temporary solutions until AOL creates a fix:

from - http://www.w00w00.org/advisories/aim.html

AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) has a major security vulnerability in the latest
stable (4.7.2480) and beta (4.8.2616) Windows versions. This vulnerability
will allow remote penetration of the victim's system without any indication
as to who performed the attack. There is no opportunity to refuse the
request. This does not affect the non-Windows versions, because the
non-Windows versions currently do not yet support the feature that this
vulnerability occurs in.

This particular vulnerability results from an overflow in the code that
parses a game request. The actual overflow appears to be in the parsing of
TLV type 0x2711. This may be more generic and exploitable through other
means, but AOL has not released enough information about their protocol for
us to be able to determine that. Robbie Saunder's email yesterday should be
enough of a hint which direction to look in.

We recommend Robbie Saunder's AIM Filter ( http://www.ssnbc.com/wiz ) to
protect yourselves.  A temporary solution is to go into your Preferences and
in the Privacy section click Allow Only Users on My Buddy List under Who
can contact me.

UPDATES:
1. AOL will be fixing this in the server side within a day or two.
2. Versions dating back to at least AIM 4.3 are vulnerable
3. Inline AIM in Netscape is not vulnerable

IMPLICATIONS

AOL Instant Messenger ( http://www.aim.com ) has over 100 million users. The
implications of this vulnerability are huge and leave the door wide open for
a worm not unlike those that Microsoft Outlook, IIS, et al. have all had
(Melissa, ILOVEYOU, CodeRed, nimda, etc.). An exploit could easily be
amended to download itself off the web, determine the buddies of the victim,
and then attack them also. Given the general nature of social networks and
how they are structured, we
predict that it wouldn't take long for such an attack to propagate.

more at - http://www.w00w00.org/advisories/aim.html

---

from - http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_486257.html

AOL rushes to fix hole in Instant Messenger

AOL has confirmed it is rushing to fix a security hole in its Instant
Messenger program.

The move comes after a group of researchers identified the flaw and
publicised it online.

The hole - found in the Windows version of the program - can let a hacker
take full control of a victim's computer.

An AOL spokesman confirmed the existence of the problem, but said so far no
users have been affected. He added that a fix should be deployed in the
next day or two.

The research team behind the discovery - dubbed w00w00 - said the hole is a
buffer overflow, similar to the problem recently found in Microsoft's
Windows XP.

They say a hacker can use it to take control of a victim's computer by
sending a stream of junk messages to the program.

W00w00 founder Matt Conover said the group discovered the problem several
weeks ago, but didn't contact AOL until Christmas week. He claims an email
outlining the problem failed to elicit a response.

Their move to go public - accompanied by the release of a home-made patch -
a week later has already been criticised by independent experts.

Russ Cooper, who moderates a popular security mailing list and works for
security firm TruSecure, said the actions are irresponsible.

But Conover defended the disclosure, arguing that the group's approach
means providing all the information we have available to the security
community.

Story filed: 11:16 Thursday 3rd January 2002

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2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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please let me know if this is infected...norton has recently put
out a filter for the badtrans

Re: [infowars] on Home Run: remote recovery system for hijacked
aircraft

i have been struck again...asleep i guess and not noticing that it
had all the signs of being badtrans...it was in my bulk mail, it
was a 40k file, it was re: a post i had posted...

me thinks it is more of a worm...that is what i hear...

heard also that the FBI wants all data gathered by the worm
[convenient] it is said to report passwords, address books etc...

hard to say if this is a result of the post about home run or in
response to the thermonuclear muckhead post that i recently sent
out but one thing is for sure...this is not randomly bouncing
about...i was left alone of virii for a couple of weeks and since
the thermonuclear muckhead post they have started anew...so it is
conscious...happens when i drop BIG bombshells...

unless the worm is an AI and at 40k i rather doubt it...

i.e. whoever objected to my last two months posting [and that of
others in this particular activist circle] also objects to either
a) mentioning homerun or b) mentioning gritz as i did...

from this, i urge you to draw your OWN conclusions...

for info on homerun, see:
http://software.design.tripod.com/mirror/homerun.htm

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Phallic Library escapade reveals PC fallacy: Tasteless,moronic, male bashing

2002-01-03 Thread RevCOAL

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba)

Talking to yourself again?  You really DO need to talk to your physician
about your meds


You are a liar June - this bull moose was on TV smiling and smirking,
looking like a big ox smirking and smiling

You also say you think the Statue of Liberty looks ugly, so the rest of us
know to take your assessment of 'beauty' with a grain of salt...


She also made a lot of press and later tried to change her story but she
was already on record for her involvement with this feminist element.

Oh, so now she's a 'feminist', which we all know in your cosmology equates
to being a lesbian...


Further she was in violation of the law or should I say it was in
violation of the law.

WHAT law?


Male homosexuals - this is the type of art exhibit they would like,

How would YOU know?  You seem mighty fixated and obsessed not only with
this particular issue, but with homosexuality in general...

Methinks 'she' doth protest too much?  ;-)


This was timed with the report in Time that pornography was going to be
mainstreamed.

So you are admitting that you equate any artwork that shows human genitalia
with pornography?

From what I've read (and I am NOT referring to various
letters-to-the-editor which only show the writer's prejudices), the issue
with this art exhibit never was one of 'pornography', but whether it was
appropriate to be put into the library's adjunct building...


June, you seem to think it is okay for these perverts to bully the boy
scouts and even try to move in on the little cub scouts,

First off, 'pervert' is a very subjective term...

Secondly, you're fixating on homosexuals, when this exhibit was not
associated with any homosexual group whatsoever, but rather was done by a
domestic abuse agency in the area...

And if you remember, I DID point out that I objected to the piece in
question, not because it may or may not be 'pornographic' -- I still have
seen no picture of it, so I cannot formulate an informed opinion on that
matter, and even if I did it would just be my subjective opinion -- but my
objection was that an agency that was ostensibly trying to help victims of
domestic abuse would include a piece showing mutilated genitalia, and
blythely pass it off as men may find it disturbing, but women find it
amusing...

Well I'm a woman, and I find it disturbing; I'm sure the women who found it
'amusing' would be outraged if a male artist created a work showing vaginas
hung on a line

One does not solve the problem of domestic and sexual abuse by advocating
domestic/sexual abuse in turn...


 We had a pack of queers here in our small city and lo and behold, they
 used to try to get next to people with authority and jobs in
 schools.but the head pervert was murdered and you know what - nobody
 gave a rat's ass.  At least he had spent a good time in jail after
 getting away for years molesting young male kids - but when he got his
 filthy hands on three small children I reported this man to a Judge, not
 the police, who had been shielding him for he was oh so wealthy.

What does any of that have to do with the art exhibit in question?


 Wouldn't you know this bull moose worked in a library

Oh, so because in YOUR estimation this librarian is 'ugly', that also means
she is homosexual?

You've never heard the term 'lipstick lesbian'?


Would not want my grandson in a library where a bull moose was putting
on a show for the local male homosexuals.

Again, you amply display that you are a totally ignorant ass, or a
deliberate disinformationist; the exhibit, as you well know, was for the
benefit of a domestic abuse agency, not for any gay or lesbian organization.

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Re: [CTRL] Guardsman shoots self at SFO

2002-01-03 Thread Joe Gillaspie

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Lady Amelia

Yup they are awake. Don't think they want leave their heating pad. Don't blame
them either. Take care and God bless.
Joe

Bill Howard wrote:

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 FYI
 Here is a report form the Torrance, CA Daily Breeze that should make all air
 travelers feel safer.

 Hint: Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

 San Francisco (AP) A National Guardsman accidentally shot himself at San
 Francisco Internatrional Airport last week while trying to remove his gun
 from his holster.

 Louis E. Alvarez, a National Guard Specialist, was going off duty about 11 pm
 Friday when the accident happened, according to SFC Tom Jacobs.

 He was going through a procedure to make sure his M-9 pistol was clear of
 ammunition when he had trouble removing the gun from its holster and it went
 off. The shot went  through his hip and exited at his buttocks.

 Alvarez was taken to San Francisco General Hospital and was released Saturday
 afternoon.

 The Shooting happened at a courtyard in the international terminal away from
 passengers.

 Jacobs said the National Guard had opened a formal investigation. San
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[CTRL] UPDATE - AOL fixed hole - AIM

2002-01-03 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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Well, that was quick ...

- jt

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from - http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8347523.html?tag=lthd

AOL plugs AIM security hole
By Paul Festa

Staff Writer, CNET News.com
January 3, 2002, 7:55 a.m. PT

update - AOL Time Warner on Thursday plugged a security hole in its instant
messenger application that experts say could have provided wiggle room for a
widespread and destructive worm.

The company said it implemented a server-side fix, meaning that customers
will not have to download the patch. As earlier reported, the security bug
affected AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) version 4.7 and the 4.8 beta, or test
version. Only AIM users running Microsoft's Windows operating system are
vulnerable.

No action has to be taken by users...and to our knowledge no users were
affected by the issue, said AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein.

The AIM hole surfaced at a period of heightened scrutiny of
instant-messaging security. Although virus and worm authors have
concentrated on e-mail as the preferred means of propagation, the rising
popularity of instant messaging has made the technology an increasingly
attractive target.

The issue came to light with the posting of an advisory by Matt Conover, a
founding member of w00w00.org, which bills itself as an international
nonprofit security team. Conover is also a double major in computer science
and mathematics at Utah State University at Logan.

The advisory described the problem as a buffer overflow issue--one of the
most common computer security glitches. The problem, which in this case
affects AIM's game request function, occurs when an application crashes
after being flooded with more code than it can accommodate. In a buffer
overflow attack, maliciously written excess code can wind up being executed
on the target computer.

In this case, Conover warned that the security hole left the door open for
attackers to create a self-propagating worm that could rival the destructive
Melissa, I Love You, Code Red and Nimda worms that exploited vulnerabilities
in Microsoft's Outlook e-mail application and IIS Web server.

An exploit could easily be amended to download itself off the Web,
determine the buddies of the victim, and then attack them also, Conover's
advisory warned. Given the general nature of social networks and how they
are structured, we predict that it wouldn't take long for such an attack to
propagate.

Security experts pointed out that there have been previous vulnerabilities
in IM products, but they said this was among the most serious identified to
date. Instant messengers are considered a potentially dangerous delivery
vehicle for worms because of their buddy lists, which offer a long list of
potential new victims much like an e-mail address book.

 This could be used by someone to execute programs on a vulnerable system,
said Elias Levy, chief technology officer of SecurityFocus. A worst-case
scenario could be a worm that used this vulnerability as an infection
vector, and given the large population of users, the potential for damage is
great. A lot of corporations allow their users to use instant messaging, so
this vulnerability could be used to pierce corporate firewalls.

AIM is one of the Web's most popular applications, with more than 100
million registrations (one person can register any number of different AIM
personas). A much smaller subset of that group is running version 4.7 and
the 4.8 beta, but Conover used the 100 million figure to chastise AOL Time
Warner for letting the buffer overflow hole slip through its quality-control
process.

The first implication is that AOL should feel the weight of responsibility
and employ better software development practices, Conover wrote in his
advisory.

The developers of a product with so many users should be much more cautious
and avoid overbloating with a multitude of features they didn't have time to
properly test in the first place.

AOL Time Warner declined to comment on Conover's criticism.

Staff writer Jim Hu contributed to this report.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Phallic Library escapade reveals PC fallacy: Tasteless,moronic, male bashing

2002-01-03 Thread Saba

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Showing your ignorance of the law?   Well they say it is no excuse, but
it is illegal to flash pornographic pictures before children and the
art forms so displayed in the Library was pornography.   Might have
done better in the Gay Pride Division.

And yes, get a load of some of those feminists of which Janet Reno,
the Alley Oop of Gay Pride, is considered prime example of primevil
man/woman/it.

Larry Flynt it was reported when criticized for publishing pictures of
dead, maimed bodies said some preferred this to his line of photography
but failed to mention that a perverse sickness in our society seems to
enjoy both.

As it is now these sick twisted perverts have made it impossible for
small children to go to public libraries, or to state parks their
favorite meeting grounds...they must do as they did in our town -
made a huge golf course on most of the park area for it seems to keep
this garbage out of the restrooms.

Can only presume the mating call of this Bull Moose was squelched before
she made prime time..nothing cute about pushing pornography art on
the kiddies.

Doubt the library had a closet bit enough for this Alley Oop to retreat.

O'Saba

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[CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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are freemasons militant jews?

is this all about the merovingians?

the following is from:
http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/judaism/christ.htm

Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty
in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, an especially on the Crucifix,
and spitting when a Jew passes a church, havebeen obligatory from
around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of
anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were
commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for
doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not
actually on the cross or openly before the church. The increasing
strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become
more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the
cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in
Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act of
traditional Jewish piety. It does not seize to be barbaric,
horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse
because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just
as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in
part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.

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Re: [CTRL] check this email for badtrans virus!

2002-01-03 Thread Saba

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Only problem I had on this Eric the information on the planes, etc., a
notice came up on the screen it was too big to be reproduced, etc.

In the past when I have attempted to reproduce something that was too
large for the web tv to handle - it would cut off.

But if you mean am I or others on list affected by a virus from your
mail - no, nothing happened here except you sent too much and I could
not pull all of it up.

The item on Bo Gritz I did not bother to pull up.

How this would affect a computer I do not know.

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[CTRL] on the claim that zionism is liberation

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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sounds very nazi to me...the following is on the attempt by the
third reich to 'liberate' the germans:

In late 19th and early 20th century Germany and Austria there were
many flourishing esoteric orders which sought to establish a reborn
Germanic identity and to reconnect the volk with its repressed
archetypes.

One of the most significant of these Orders was founded in Germany
in 1912 - the German Order. From this sprang the Thule Society
whose driving force was Rudolf von Serbottendorff. He had been
schooled in occultism, Islamic mysticism, alchemy, Rosicrucianism
and much else, in Turkey, where he had also been initiated into
Freemasonry.

more at:

http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html


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Re: [CTRL] on the claim that zionism is liberation

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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brilliant

post an article about nazi's that has nothing to do with zionism, and
pretend it has some bearing

very brilliant indeed
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 sounds very nazi to me...the following is on the attempt by the
 third reich to 'liberate' the germans:

 In late 19th and early 20th century Germany and Austria there were
 many flourishing esoteric orders which sought to establish a reborn
 Germanic identity and to reconnect the volk with its repressed
 archetypes.

 One of the most significant of these Orders was founded in Germany
 in 1912 - the German Order. From this sprang the Thule Society
 whose driving force was Rudolf von Serbottendorff. He had been
 schooled in occultism, Islamic mysticism, alchemy, Rosicrucianism
 and much else, in Turkey, where he had also been initiated into
 Freemasonry.

 more at:

 http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html


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[CTRL] Brief History of Palestine

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/history/history1.htm

Brief History of Palestine

1895 - 1917

1895

The total population of Palestine was 500,000 of whom 47,000 were
Jews who owned 0.5% of the land.

The Jewish populations were the descendants of the Jewish refugees
who fled from Spain 1609 AD

1896

Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism tried to find a political
solution for the problem in his book, 'The Jewish State'. He
advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Argentina or Palestine.


1897

The first Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland, which issued
the Basle program on the colonization of Palestine and the
establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO).

1904

Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for
Jews in Argentina.

1906

The Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be
Palestine.

1914

With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence
of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in opposing
to Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany.

1916

Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided
the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were
assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to
be internationalized.

1917

Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary sent a letter to the
Zionist leader Lord Rothschild which later became known as The
Balfour declaration. He stated that Britain would use its best
endeavors to facilitate the establishment in Palestine of a
national home for the Jewish people. At that time the population of
Palestine was 700,000 of which 574,000 were Muslims, 74,000 were
Christian, and 56,000 were Jews.



1919 - 1967

1919

The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and
expressed their opposition to the Balfour Declaration.

1920

The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine
and two years later Palestine was effectively under British
administration, and Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was
sent as Britain's first High Commissioner to Palestine.

1922

The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for
Palestine. The Mandate was in favor of the establishment for the
Jewish people a homeland in Palestine.

1936

The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against
the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

1939

The British government published a new White Paper restricting
Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within
ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized
terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British
and the Palestinians. The aim was to drive them both out of
Palestine and to pave the way for the establishment of the Zionist
state.

1947

The United Nations approved the partition under which the
Palestinian Arabs, who accounted for 70% of the population and
owned 92% of the land, were allocated 47% of the country. (UN
resolution 181)

1948

British forces withdrew from Palestine in May and the Zionists
proclaimed the state of Israel without defining its borders. Arab
armies moved to defend the Palestinians.

1949

A cease fire was finally agreed. The Zionists controlled 77% of
Palestinian land and over 1 million Palestinians were forced to
leave their country. The West Bank was put under Jordanian control
and the Gaza Strip under Egyptian control.

1964

The Palestine Liberation Organization was established.

1965

The Palestine 'Revolution' began on 1 January.

1967

Israel launched a new war against the Arabs and seized the West
Bank and Gaza Strip, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian
Sinai peninsula.

1973 - 1988

1973

The October War between Israel and the Arab states broke out, And
it was the first practical defeat for Israel.

1974

The Arab Summit in Rabat recognized the PLO as the sole legitimate
representative of the Palestinian people. At the United Nations
General Assembly, the UN reaffirmed its commitment to an
independent sovereign state in Palestine and gave the PLO observer
status at the United Nations. Yasser Arafat, chairman of the PLO,
addressed the General Assembly of the United Nations.

1978

Egypt and Israel signed the Camp David Agreement under the auspices
of the United States.

1982

Israel invaded Lebanon with the aim of destroying the PLO. Tens of
thousands were killed and made homeless in the wake of the invasion
which culminated in the massacres of Sabra and Shatilla.

1983

The United Nations called for the convening of a Peace Conference
with the participation of the PLO on an equal footing with the
other delegates as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian
people.

1987

The 18th Session of the Palestine National Council (PNC) supported
the convening of a UN- sponsored conference. In December the
Intifada-the Palestine Uprising - in the Occupied Territories

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Phallic Library escapade reveals PC fallacy: Tasteless,moronic, male bashing

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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saba - can you define pornography for me?

also what state's laws are you referencing?



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 From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:52:48 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Phallic Library escapade reveals PC fallacy:
 Tasteless,moronic, male bashing

 -Caveat Lector-

 Showing your ignorance of the law?   Well they say it is no excuse, but
 it is illegal to flash pornographic pictures before children and the
 art forms so displayed in the Library was pornography.   Might have
 done better in the Gay Pride Division.

 And yes, get a load of some of those feminists of which Janet Reno,
 the Alley Oop of Gay Pride, is considered prime example of primevil
 man/woman/it.

 Larry Flynt it was reported when criticized for publishing pictures of
 dead, maimed bodies said some preferred this to his line of photography
 but failed to mention that a perverse sickness in our society seems to
 enjoy both.

 As it is now these sick twisted perverts have made it impossible for
 small children to go to public libraries, or to state parks their
 favorite meeting grounds...they must do as they did in our town -
 made a huge golf course on most of the park area for it seems to keep
 this garbage out of the restrooms.

 Can only presume the mating call of this Bull Moose was squelched before
 she made prime time..nothing cute about pushing pornography art on
 the kiddies.

 Doubt the library had a closet bit enough for this Alley Oop to retreat.

 O'Saba

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Re: [CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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Eric
I''ve never seen this behavior
they did not teach me to spit on crosses or churches, nor have I ever seen
anyone do this.
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 Subject: [CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

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 are freemasons militant jews?

 is this all about the merovingians?

 the following is from:
 http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/judaism/christ.htm

 Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty
 in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, an especially on the Crucifix,
 and spitting when a Jew passes a church, havebeen obligatory from
 around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of
 anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were
 commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for
 doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not
 actually on the cross or openly before the church. The increasing
 strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become
 more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the
 cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in
 Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act of
 traditional Jewish piety. It does not seize to be barbaric,
 horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse
 because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just
 as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in
 part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.

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[CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

Not only did the Zionists devote extraordinary efforts to defeat
the Palestinians and destroy their society, but also they denied
their existence.

Israel Zangwill, a founder of Zionism, claimed that Palestine was
“a land without people, waiting for people without a land.”(Israel
Zangwill, ‘The Return to Palestine’, New Liberal Review,II, Dec.
1901, p.627) But later on he came to admit that, “There is,
however, a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his
eyes, though he does not like to face...Palestine proper has
already its own inhabitants.” (‘The Voice of Jerusalem’, London,
1920, p.88) [mentioned in FF, p.4]

The earliest Zionist colonialists in Palestine knew that the land
they are settling on was inhabited. Christopher Sykes, pro-Zionist
historian, said in his ‘Crossroads to Israel 1917-1948’ that “This
is the problem with Palestine, it was inhabited.” But some chose to
ignore this minor problem while others tried to overcome it.

Herzl, the father of Zionism, believed that the native Palestinians
would resist the takeover of their country and therefore
recommended that they be dealt with through “assured supremacy”,
est. brutal force and military superiority. (Herzl, “The Jewish
State: a modern Solution to the Jewish Question”, Rita Searl, 1946,
p.29) [quoted in Facts and Fables, by Clifford A. Wright, p.2] He
preached that the Zionists should acquire the land of their choice
by armed conquest.

The denial of the Palestinian existence is well and alive until
today, where the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and living
in Israel, are officially known as “the Arabs of Israel”. This
denial of the Palestinian existence is a wholesale dehumanization
of a people. “Who are the Palestinians?, exclaimed Golda Meir,
Prime Minister of Israel, “There was no such thing as a Palestinian
people in Palestine. It was as though there was a Palestinian
people and we came and threw them out and took their country from
them. They did not exist.” (The London Sunday Times 15 June, 1969)
[ quoted in Palestinians/ The Making of A People, by Baruch Kimmer
 Joel S. Migdal]

In 1982 during the invasion of Lebanon, Prime Minister Menachem
Begin, described them as, “two-legged beasts” in a speech in the
Knesset. (Begin and the “Beasts”, by Israeli journalist Amnon
Kapeliout) [quoted in FF, p.3]

One of the basic facts of the Palestinian Arabs is that they exist,
and have always existed and will continue to exist in spite of all
the conspiracies that aim at liquidating them. The point from which
their existence has been challenged arose in the war of 1948, which
led to the physical dispossession of more than 800,000 of this
indigenous population of Palestine. Palestine disappeared from the
map and its people also disappeared from the mind and conscience of
much of the world.

But the fact remains that the major portion of the territory, now
called Israel, is still legitimately belongs to the indigenous
Palestinian people.

 WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

The Palestinian Arabs of today, Muslims and Christians, are not, as
popularly believed, the descendants of the Arabian desert
conquerors of 1300 years ago. In fact, they are mainly the
descendants of the original native population--Canaanites,
Edomites, and Philistines. They were there when the Hebrews (of
whom the Jews claim descent) invaded the land in about 1550 B.C.,
and lived for a short period as the Biblical myths claims in fact
there are no mention to the Hebrews domination except in the Old
Testament.

But if we accepted the Jewish legend for argument we will find that
the native inhibitors of the lands survived the Israelites
occupation, retained possession of a large part of the country.
They remained there when the last Hebrew left the country nearly
2000 years ago. Then, they intermingled first with the Arabs in the
seventh century, then with the Crusaders in the 11th century. They
continued the occupation in their Arabaized character until the
Zionism invasion in 1948.

According to Ottoman sources, more than half a million people lived
in Palestine in 1850. Of those 80% were Muslims, 10% were
Christians, and 7% were Jews. (FF, p.4, source Janet Abu-Lughod,
ed. “The Transformation of Palestine”, p.140) By 1914 the British
estimated Palestine’s population at 689,272 of whom no more than
60,000 or 9% were Jews. (The Great Census of Palestine’s population
1922, p.142)

The most accurate census at the time was the 1922 conducted by the
British. Of the total 757,182 population, 78% were Muslims, 10%
were Christians, 11% were Jews. 75% of the Jews were Europeans and
their offspring. About 1% classified as others. The census did not
include nearly 50,000 Bedouin in the Negev Desert.

Now the Palestinian number is estimated at six million. But this
could neither be accurate nor simply unreliable. The fact that an
accurate census of the Palestinians has 

Re: [CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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 Eric
 I''ve never seen this behavior
 they did not teach me to spit on crosses or churches, nor have I
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are you hassidic?

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Re: [CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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  Eric
  I''ve never seen this behavior
  they did not teach me to spit on crosses or churches, nor have
 I
  ever seen
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 are you hassidic?


and did you grow up in israel?

though this piece may not, i at least am TRYING to maintain a
distinction between judaism and zionism

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Re: [CTRL] THE WHITE SPEC TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOWERS

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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[CTRL] ADL: Portrait of A Hate Group

2002-01-03 Thread Saba

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[CTRL] an erratic 'brainstorm'

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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~snip~

Why did Dr. Brian get the (Promis) computer contract? Meese's wife
owned substantial stock in Dr. Brian's company and it is also
alleged that Dr. Brian was being paid off for setting up the
original meetings between the Iranians and the Reagan-Bush campaign
team which may have led to the delay in the release of 52 American
hostages until after the November 1980 Presidential election. A
British Air Force officer who had allegedly witnessed Dr. Brian's
sale of PROMIS software to Iraqi military intelligence in Santiago,
Chile, was found hanged. His death was ruled suicide. - 1

~snip~

Dr. Brian's name has been linked to the October Surprise and is a
central figure in the government's theft of PROMIS soft ware from
INSLAW. Brian's role touches from the Cabazon Indian scandals to
United Press International. He is one of those low-profile key
figures.

And, alas, his name appears again in the nation's behavior
modification and mind control experiments. Dr. Brian was Reagan's
Secretary of Health when Reagan was Governor. Dr. Brian was an
advocate of state subsidies for a research center for the study of
violent behavior. The center was to begin operations by mid-1975,
and its research was intended to shed light on why people murder or
rape, or hijack aircraft. - 2

~snip~

Dr. Earl Brian, Governor Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Health, was
adamant about his support for mind control centers in California. -
2

~snip~

Calspan was founded in 1946 as Cornell Aeronautical Laboratory,
which included the Fund for the Study of Human Ecology, a CIA
conduit for mind-control experiments by émigré Nazi scientists [and
others under the direction of CIA Doctors Sidney Gottlieb, Ewen
Cameron, and Louis Jolyn West]. - 3

According to mind-control researcher Alex Constantine, Calspan
places much research emphasis on bioengineering and artificial
intelligence (Calspan pioneered in the field in the 1950s). In his
article, The Good Soldier, Constantine states:

~snip~

as did riconoscuito...a guy named kumnick made an AI prog named
Brainstorm that was a sort of supplement to promis...it was
supposed to be able to PREDICT when someone (or an army) was going
to go off by reducing personality traits to mathematical
vectors...in the wake of the promis scandal, kumnick
died...suicided?

~snip~

Human tracking and monitoring technology are well within Calspan's
sphere of pursuits. The company is instrumental in REDCAP, an Air
Force electronic warfare system that winds through every Department
of Defense facility in the country. A Pentagon release explains
that REDCAP is used to evaluate the effectiveness of
electronic-combat hardware, techniques, tactics and concepts. The
system includes closed-loop radar and data links at RF manned data
fusion and weapons control posts. One Patriot computer news board
reported that a disembodied, rumbling, low-frequency hum had been
heard across the country the week of the bombing. Past hums in
Taos, NM, Eugene and Medford, OR, Timmons, Ontario and Bristol, UK
were most definitely (despite specious official denials) attuned to
the brain's auditory pathways….

The Air Force is among Calspan's leading clients, and Eglin AFB has
farmed key personnel to the company. The grating irony — recalling
McVeigh's contention he'd been implanted with a telemetry chip — is
that the Instrumentation Technology Branch of Eglin Air Force Base
is currently engaged in the tracking of mammals with subminiature
telemetry devices. According to an Air Force press release, the
biotelemetry chip transmits on the upper S-band (2318 to 2398 MHz),
with up to 120 digital channels. - 3

~snip~

isn't Eglin very NEAR the cabazon res?

~snip~

Former Army CID investigator Gene Wheaton also described a covert
unit created by the highly secretive NRO (National Reconnaissance
Office), which used assassination and torture to eliminate
so-called enemies of the state. In 1985, Wheaton was approached by
security consultants to Vice President Bush's Task Force on
Combating Terrorism who were working for USMC Lt. Colonel Oliver
North (who served under Shackley in Vietnam) and Associate Deputy
FBI Director Oliver Buck Revell. They wanted me to help create a
'death squad' that would have White House deniability to
assassinate people they would identify as 'terrorists,' said
Wheaton. - 3

~snip~

an individual that will remain unnamed did once attempt to convince
me that everything i had been through had more to do with the NRO
than any other agency...

~snip~

They used the assassination of President Kennedy as a prime
example of how to develop the strategy for the assassination of a
world leader as a conspiracy, while making it look like some 'lone
nut' did it.…

The stronger a patriot you are, the more important it is to you
that you do whatever is necessary for your flag, for your country,
he adds. It makes you the most susceptible type of person for this
kind of training. You are the ultimate warrior. You're out there 

Re: [CTRL] on neurons and the lack thereof

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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 brilliant

 post an article about nazi's that has nothing to do with zionism,
 and
 pretend it has some bearing

 very brilliant indeed


you wouldn't know brilliance if it managed to actually come into
contact with your pupils...

if you can't see that the unleashing of the german people's
repressed archetypes as the basis for naziism isn't the same meme
as zionism is liberation, then i excuse you for being
clue-impaired...

end of discussion...

rant all you want...


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[CTRL] is terrorism the core of zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/history/history2.htm

Terrorism is the core of Zionism
Dr. Moh'd N. Al-Khawaldeh

The use of terrorism by the Zionists, is not a reactionary policy,
nor is it used casually, rather it is an integral element of the
Zionist State. Furthermore the State sees it as being essential to
develop and preserve this element of terrorism. The strong
relationship between Zionism and terrorism could be linked to the
imperialist nature of both the ideological and political parties,
which supported the Zionist movement.

The Permanent Characteristics

In order for a Jewish State to be established, it was essential to
carry out a policy of constant persecution and terrorism against
the natives of land, the Palestinians. It was impossible for the
Zionists to achieve their goals without carrying out a policy of
racial discrimination against the Arabs. Thus, with regards to this
policy at least, it became irrelevant who the political allies of
the State were, as this policy was deemed essential to the
existence of the State and was not a negotiable aspect of any
alliance. The racist nature of Zionism, is an innate characteristic
of this political movement, whose basis is the belief that the Jews
are God's chosen people.

The nature of Zionism, together with the ideological persuasions of
its political allies, has ensured that the State of Israel has
become a military fort, to defend the interests of the imperial
powers, in the developing countries of the Near and Middle East.

It is noticeable that Zionism prospered in the mid 1880s when
imperialism began advocating the use of racist terms, such as the
'white' man, as well as imposing the so-called 'Western wisdom' on
the illiterate people of the East. The Zionist invasion of
Palestine was the product of imperialist Europe's invasion of three
continents, and it was justified to the world with the theological
argument that Palestine was the Promised Land of the Jews. Thus,
Zionism is a manifestation of colonial imperialism and is based on
both race and religion; to be more exact, it is based on a
theological claim which states that the land of Palestine is the
land which God has promised to the 'Chosen People'. The concept of
a 'Chosen People' emphasizes the superiority of the Jews, who
should not socialize with other peoples or share the land with any
others. Naturally, this has resulted in a racial closure for the
Jews, discrimination against all other races, especially the Arabs,
who were the original inhabitants of Palestine, as well as an
innate sense of superiority amongst the Jewish race. The policy of
racial closure is seen as a necessity in order to gather the Jewish
people in the diaspora under a central authority, thus the world is
divided into Jewish and non-Jewish. Without such a policy of racial
closure for the Jews, the Jewish people would be scattered
throughout the world, thus making it difficult to establish a
State, which represents the Jewish 'nation'. Thus the Zionist State
of Israel is the only home for all the Jews.

The Comprehensive Closure

All the Zionist leaders have emphasized the idea of a comprehensive
closure. One of the main threats to the Jewish people is perceived
as being a dilution of Judaism, through interaction with other
societies and cultures. In other words, the Jews may leave their
own people and socialize with the other societies, as a result of
which they will lose their own identity. Moreover, the idea of a
comprehensive closure was conducive to the establishment of the
Zionist State. Thus, we can see two reasons why the idea of a
Jewish closure was ardently adopted by the Zionists. First, to
preserve the existence of the Jewish 'nation' and to make this a
worldwide issue. Secondly, to make the Jews into a distinguished
and chosen people, with their own peculiar traditions and customs.
To this end, it is even forbidden for a Jewish woman to marry a
non-Jewish man-to do so is considered a national and religious
betrayal that must be punished.

The objective behind the racial closure in the Zionist ideology is
to achieve a pure and superior race. As a result, introversion is
considered a virtue and isolation is a ritual. Thus, for the Jews,
the idea of the 'Ghetto' is a positive one, in that it does not
only show that the Jews are being rejected by the society, which
they see as good, but it is a sign of achievement for the Jews. To
explain this, we must understand that for a Jew to be a Jew, in the
eyes of Zionism, he must refuse to deal with the rest of the human
race and work to achieve a comprehensive racial closure by
convincing all Jews to move from the diaspora to the Promised Land.
This in turn necessitates the forced exile of the indigenous
population-the Palestinians-from the land, and the forced return of
all Jews to the Jewish homeland. Consequently, the racial closure
is a means to preserve the superiority and racial purity of the
Jews through the means of a State.


Re: [CTRL] ADL: Portrait of A Hate Group

2002-01-03 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Saba wrote:

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 http://zog.to/3/antisemi/adl.html

This is typical of Colleen/Saba to put up a Neo-Nazi site where the content
is equal to what floats around between her ears.


ADL's Dark History

The Anti-Defamation League was created in 1913 by
the racist secret society known as B'nai B'rith
(which means blood of the Chosen). This organization,
which exists today excludes people based on
their ethnic background and religion. It is exclusively
restricted to powerful Jews who believe in racial
superiority. 

This is the very first paragraph. This sentence...

The Anti-Defamation League was created in 1913 by
the racist secret society known as B'nai B'rith
(which means blood of the Chosen).

was obviously researched by some genius of Colleen's
high caliber. It is completely wrong.

B'nai = Sons of
B'rith = the Covenant

If you're going to write a racist hit piece, you have to
at least be credible in your first sentence.

Unless your intended audience are as stupid as Colleen.

This is probably the case.

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[CTRL] Fwd: The Search for bin Ashcroft - Arthur Joel Katz

2002-01-03 Thread Samantha L.

forwarded message

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The Search for bin Ashcroft

By: Arthur Joel Katz - 01/03/02


If you haven't noticed, Attorney General bin Aschcroft has been missing for almost all 
of December. No public appearances, no speeches, and the few mentions of him in the 
media have all been retrospective. Moreover, there are not a few signs that the Bush 
administration is in retreat from some of Ashcroft's more outrageous positions.

For example, an honest-to- God accused foreign terrorist, Zacarias Moussaoui, is to be 
tried by an honest-to-God federal court. A federal judge even entered a not guilty 
plea for Moussaoui, who apparently wished to play it as it lay. Then, there are 
indications that Talaban John Walker will also be tried in the federal courts even 
though a case could be made that he lost his citizenship when he served in a foreign 
army. A federal court would require the government to prove that Walker actually 
committed a crime. Although Walker will have few to cheer for him, finding what crime 
Walker committed is a legal quagmire. It would be easier to try Walker by secret 
military tribunal along with other non citizens where legal niceties could be avoided.

Even if Ashcroft should appear on TV in the near future looking attorney general ish, 
there will be no showing that he is actually in Washington. As we are all well aware, 
it may simply be a video tape which Ashcroft prepared before or even after his 
disappearance. The most reliable source on bin Ashcroft, Fox News, will hampen the 
investigation by failing to broadcast it in full. Their excuse will be that they 
wanted to prevent bin Ashcroft from sending secret signals to his supporters.

People are falsely blaming liberals for Ashcroft's disappearance. This is a base 
canard, although I dare say they were happy to see him go. Most likely, bin Ashcroft 
has fled on his own accord. He may have been hearing footsteps. Most paranoiacs do. No 
doubt he is holed up in a cave in West Virginia surrounded by miltia folk who agree 
with him that the Second Amendment is the most important amendment to the 
constitution, so sacred in fact, that merely revealing the names of Brady Gun Law 
registrants to the FBI is beyond the pale. These militia folk are a fierce crowd, well 
armed with AK-47s and similar repeating weapons which they normally use only for deer 
hunting.

It is too much to expect that the locals will take the risk of searching these caves 
for bin Ashcroft. It is damn dangerous. Armaments aside, one could well wind up in the 
clink for trying to out bin Ashcroft. Heaven knows, Ashcroft has imprisoned people in 
this country on lesser charges. And another thing, the locals may in fact be bin 
Ashcroft supporters, and accordingly are not to be trusted. Tribal chiefs in West 
Virginia are known for their fierce independence. They are unlikely to take orders 
from a Federal Government that has been trying to run them out of the moonshine 
business for years and years. To paraphrase a Joan Baez lyric, some of them ain't paid 
no whiskey tax since 1783.

Also, what is to be done with bin Ashcroft when he is actually found. And rest easy, 
he will be found. It is just a matter of time. We will triumph over the evil doers and 
bring them to justice. Dead is dead, of course, but a live free bin Ashcroft may well 
revitalize his forces and take over the government. Perhaps he might be tried for 
subverting the civil rights of all Americans. But would a jury convict? I don't think 
so. The polls indicate that his policies are widely popular. If only he could ride, he 
could be a Man on Horseback.

There is an obvious solution which I have somehow overlooked. Have him tried by a 
military tribunal in secret. It will not matter that he will have no lawyer to defend 
him since we all know he is guilty. Public opinion won't matter at all.

As to the sentence, my suggestion is that he merely be exiled. His unpopularity abroad 
leads me to believe that in such event we will never hear from him again. Yet there is 
a risk. Bin Ashcroft will surely find a job somewhere with kindred spirits such as the 
North Koreans, Cubans or the Chinese. Bringing his skills to those people might be 
really dangerous.


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Re: [CTRL] THE WHITE SPEC TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOWERS

2002-01-03 Thread Samantha L.

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From the looks of it there's no way a chopper could be moving that fast.

Samantha

In a message dated 1/3/02 9:53:56 AM Central Standard Time,
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 It's a helicopter.  One of the main video clips that is constantly shown
  over and over again of the 2nd plane hitting the WTC shows the opposite
  angle that the clip on this website shows...IOW, the clip on the website
  shows the towers from a viewpoint to the west viewing east, while the clip
  that is usually broadcast over and over again on the media shows the WTC
  from a viewpoint to the east and somewhat south, viewing westDOH!
  Right where 'the mysterious spec' is on the website's clip...


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[CTRL] Cooking up a coup in Venezuela. Ya take some oil, then raise the heat...

2002-01-03 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Subject:
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Date:
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Hello,

The following story from the Nando Times (http://www.nandotimes.com)
was sent to you by: a ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).


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New oil law takes effect in Venezuela

The Associated Press

CARACAS, Venezuela (January 2, 2002 06:38 a.m. EST) - President
Hugo Chavez celebrated a contentious new oil law that took
effect Tuesday, telling supporters that Venezuela is beginning
the New Year with a new oil strategy.

We need a new oil strategy because the one we have had has
not been successful, Chavez said during a rally in the western
state of Tachira.

The new Hydrocarbons Law gives the state greater control
over the petroleum industry, an initiative Chavez argues
will allow the government to better spread Venezuela's oil
wealth among the poor.

Critics say the law will alienate investors by imposing the
world's highest royalty rates on companies operating Venezuela's
oil fields.

Business leaders - who last month paralyzed the country for
one day to protest the oil law and 48 others - also complain
about a requirement that state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela
SA hold a minimum 51 percent stake in future joint ventures
involving exploration and exploitation.

Chavez argues the state must retain control of the country's
petroleum reserves, the largest in the Western Hemisphere,
because Venezuela depends on oil for almost half of government
income and 80 percent of export revenue.

Government officials insist the new law is actually more
liberal than past ones because it allows private companies
to own downstream operations, such as refineries, for the
first time.
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Publication date: 12/28/2001

U.S. cooking up a coup in Venezeula?
By Conn Hallinan
Special To The Examiner

THERE is the smell of a coup in the air these days. It was like
this in Iran just before the 1953 U.S.-backed coup overthrew the
Mossedeah government and installed the Shah. It has the feel of 1963
in South Vietnam, before the military takeover switched on the light
at the end of the long and terrible Southeast Asian tunnel. It is
hauntingly similar to early September 1973, before the coup in Chile
ushered in 20 years of blood and darkness.

Early last month, the National Security Agency, the Pentagon and
the U.S. State Department held a two-day meeting on U.S. policy toward
Venezuela. Similar such meetings took place in 1953, 1963, and 1973,
as well as before coups in Guatemala, Brazil and Argentina. It should
send a deep chill down the backs of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez
and the populist coalition that took power in 1998.

The catalyst for the Nov. 5-7 interagency get-together was a
comment by Chavez in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist assault on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon. While Chavez sharply condemned
the attack, he questioned the value of bombing Afghanistan, calling it
fighting terrorism with terrorism. In response, the Bush
administration temporarily withdrew its ambassador and convened the
meeting.

The outcome was a requirement that Venezuela unequivocally
condemn terrorism, including repudiating anything and anyone the Bush
administration defines as terrorist. Since this includes both Cuba
(with which Venezuela has extensive trade relations) and rebel groups
in neighboring Colombia (to whom Chavez is sympathetic), the demand
was the equivalent of throwing down the gauntlet.

The spark for the statement might have been Sept. 11, but the dark
clouds gathering over Venezuela have much more to do with enduring
matters -- like oil, land and power.

The Chavez government is presently trying to change the
60-year-old agreement with foreign oil companies that charges them as
little as 1 percent in royalties and hands out huge tax breaks. There
is a lot at stake here. Venezuela has 77 billion barrels of proven
reserves and is the United States' third-biggest source of oil. It is
also a major cash cow for the likes of Phillips Petroleum and
ExxonMobil. If the new law goes through, U.S. and French oil companies
will have to pony up a bigger slice of their take.

A larger slice is desperately needed in Venezuela. Although oil
generates some $30 billion each year, 80 percent of Venezuelans are,
according to government figures, poor, and half of those are
malnourished. Most rural Venezuelans have no access to land except to
work it for someone else, because 2 percent of the population controls
60 percent of the land.

The staggering gap between a tiny slice of haves and the sea of
have nots is little talked about in the American media, which tend
to focus on President Chavez's long-winded speeches and unrest among
the urban wealthy and middle class. U.S. newspapers covered the 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Search for bin Ashcroft - Arthur Joel Katz

2002-01-03 Thread Saba

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What does this guy expect - Ashcroft should get ex parte hearings before
Larry King?

Ashcroft cannot comment on cases such as this and the author of the
above garbage surely knows it, but then noting his name - looks like
another ADL donut hole in action.

None dare call it propaganda.

OSaba

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Re: [CTRL] ADL: Portrait of A Hate Group

2002-01-03 Thread Saba

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Listen you stupid moron - I did not write those words now prove these
people to be Nazis?

Now do not get too excited over this Joshua2 - I know how you react when
you spy upon all those militia men - why you could hardly contain
yourself for the real thing as you said.

God crawl back under your rock ..

O'Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Phallic Library escapade reveals PC fallacy:Tasteless,moronic, male bashing

2002-01-03 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Showing your ignorance of the law?   Well they say it is no excuse, but
 it is illegal to flash pornographic pictures before children and the
 art forms so displayed in the Library was pornography.   Might have
 done better in the Gay Pride Division.

Pornography by whose definition? Is it simply because it contains phalluses?
If so, is Michaelangelo's David porn?

As for the rest, I join others here who are frankly baffled with your
obsession with homosexuality. Has absolutely nothing to do with the artwork
in question. But you are known for your non-sequiturs ...

- jt

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: The Pedophocracy, Part VI

2002-01-03 Thread Jim Rarey




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Re: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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a few things here are very interesting - let me point 2 out -

 The Palestinian Arabs of today, Muslims and Christians,

So religion is not a part of this ethnic identity - and yet it implies that
none of the aboriginal inhabitants became Jews. this is specious at best.

if you are talking about foreign cultural invasion - then Islam invaded the
region, Christianity invaded the region, and Judaism invaded the region
( although 2 of these 3 had their genesis in the region, but why quibble
with the facts)

So if the Palestinians are something other than the Islamic Arabs who came
later, then the arab/muslim influence is just as much a cultural invasion as
the Jewish, no?

maybe more so, since Judaism traces itself to the region, and Islam does
not...no?

if not can explain why not?


 But the fact remains that the major portion of the territory, now
 called Israel, is still legitimately belongs to the indigenous
 Palestinian people.


this is just factually inaccurate - the major portion of the territory that
was Palestine is now called Jordan, and is an Islamic homeland for the
Palestinian people.

again - if you think what I am saying is incorrect, please point out where
and how... thanks

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 From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/history/palwhopal.html

 WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

 Not only did the Zionists devote extraordinary efforts to defeat
 the Palestinians and destroy their society, but also they denied
 their existence.

 Israel Zangwill, a founder of Zionism, claimed that Palestine was
 ?a land without people, waiting for people without a land.?(Israel
 Zangwill, ?The Return to Palestine?, New Liberal Review,II, Dec.
 1901, p.627) But later on he came to admit that, ?There is,
 however, a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his
 eyes, though he does not like to face...Palestine proper has
 already its own inhabitants.? (?The Voice of Jerusalem?, London,
 1920, p.88) [mentioned in FF, p.4]

 The earliest Zionist colonialists in Palestine knew that the land
 they are settling on was inhabited. Christopher Sykes, pro-Zionist
 historian, said in his ?Crossroads to Israel 1917-1948? that ?This
 is the problem with Palestine, it was inhabited.? But some chose to
 ignore this minor problem while others tried to overcome it.

 Herzl, the father of Zionism, believed that the native Palestinians
 would resist the takeover of their country and therefore
 recommended that they be dealt with through ?assured supremacy?,
 est. brutal force and military superiority. (Herzl, ?The Jewish
 State: a modern Solution to the Jewish Question?, Rita Searl, 1946,
 p.29) [quoted in Facts and Fables, by Clifford A. Wright, p.2] He
 preached that the Zionists should acquire the land of their choice
 by armed conquest.

 The denial of the Palestinian existence is well and alive until
 today, where the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and living
 in Israel, are officially known as ?the Arabs of Israel?. This
 denial of the Palestinian existence is a wholesale dehumanization
 of a people. ?Who are the Palestinians?, exclaimed Golda Meir,
 Prime Minister of Israel, ?There was no such thing as a Palestinian
 people in Palestine. It was as though there was a Palestinian
 people and we came and threw them out and took their country from
 them. They did not exist.? (The London Sunday Times 15 June, 1969)
 [ quoted in Palestinians/ The Making of A People, by Baruch Kimmer
  Joel S. Migdal]

 In 1982 during the invasion of Lebanon, Prime Minister Menachem
 Begin, described them as, ?two-legged beasts? in a speech in the
 Knesset. (Begin and the ?Beasts?, by Israeli journalist Amnon
 Kapeliout) [quoted in FF, p.3]

 One of the basic facts of the Palestinian Arabs is that they exist,
 and have always existed and will continue to exist in spite of all
 the conspiracies that aim at liquidating them. The point from which
 their existence has been challenged arose in the war of 1948, which
 led to the physical dispossession of more than 800,000 of this
 indigenous population of Palestine. Palestine disappeared from the
 map and its people also disappeared from the mind and conscience of
 much of the world.

 But the fact remains that the major portion of the territory, now
 called Israel, is still legitimately belongs to the indigenous
 

Re: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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 maybe more so, since Judaism traces itself to the region, and
 Islam does
 not...no?

 if not can explain why not?


do you know what a canaanite is?

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Re: [CTRL] ADL: Portrait of A Hate Group

2002-01-03 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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 Listen you stupid moron

not to be confused with a smart moron, of course

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Re: [CTRL] on neurons and the lack thereof

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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rant?

im not the one who turns to personal attacks in this conversation.

I did mean it was a brilliant piece of rhetoric - but argument by analogy is
always flawed.

there is plenty that is fucked up about Israel. I am not one of these
mindless cheerleaders for the place - I'm very critical of it. perhaps with
my family history I'm also sensitive to the topic of what is or is not like
nazism.

but theories have to fit with historical facts.

and the facts in this case are that the British empire deed some of its
lands as a Jewish homeland, for right or for wrong. The historical facts are
that if there had been a Jewish homeland 20 years earlier, the holocaust
could not have happened the way it did. The facts are that enlightened
countries like the US and the UK were sending Jewish refugees back to
Germany during the war, because its easier to have someone else execute
Jews, than to accept them into your own anti-Semitic society ( I remind you
that many ads in the classifieds in the US in the 30's would say things like
'Christians only')

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 From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: [CTRL] on neurons and the lack thereof

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 --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 brilliant

 post an article about nazi's that has nothing to do with zionism,
 and
 pretend it has some bearing

 very brilliant indeed


 you wouldn't know brilliance if it managed to actually come into
 contact with your pupils...

 if you can't see that the unleashing of the german people's
 repressed archetypes as the basis for naziism isn't the same meme
 as zionism is liberation, then i excuse you for being
 clue-impaired...

 end of discussion...

 rant all you want...


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Re: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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yes i do


so now can you tell me why the arab/islamic  invasion to the region is
somehow different and ok?
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 maybe more so, since Judaism traces itself to the region, and
 Islam does
 not...no?

 if not can explain why not?


 do you know what a canaanite is?

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Re: [CTRL] Brief History of Palestine

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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once again

Jordan was half of Palestine, and not a separate entity


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 Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided
 the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were
 assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to
 be internationalized.

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Re: [CTRL] are the templar traditions essentially zionism?

2002-01-03 Thread thew

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I don't think this article I was responding specified anything about
Hassidim or Israel, but referred to Jews  - if I'm wrong - sorry - I
misunderstood - however

I have spent time in Israel
I have spent time around Hassidim, and other orthodox Jews

never seen anything like spitting on the cross, except in the supposed
rituals of the templars
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is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be
left to irresponsible action.


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 Eric
 I''ve never seen this behavior
 they did not teach me to spit on crosses or churches, nor have
 I
 ever seen
 anyone do this.
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 are you hassidic?


 and did you grow up in israel?

 though this piece may not, i at least am TRYING to maintain a
 distinction between judaism and zionism

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[CTRL] on palestine

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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MAHATMA K. GANDHI:
... And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that
they are going about in the wrong way. The Palestine of the
Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their
hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as
their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of
the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid
of the bayonet or the bomb.
http://www.moqawama.tv/v_zionis/v_doc/jews.htm

Israel's Health Minister said yesterday that the assimilation of
Jews into other religions throughout history was a greater tragedy
for the Jewish people than the Holocaust.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=112186

Some 3,000 people rallied in Gaza City today, with around 300
gunmen firing in the air to support Palestinian leader Yasser
Arafat and his Fatah faction which celebrated its 37th anniversary
at the New Year.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southnews/message/2052

This morning after giving a press conference at the American Colony
Hotel in Jerusalem, Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi was questioned and taken
by five or six Israeli plainclothes policemen.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southnews/message/2053

UN experts yesterday expressed continuing concern about Palestinian
being tortured in “Israel” and said they had written to the
government again seeking its response to the allegations.
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/isr_tor.htm

Israelis using its occupation zone in the south to test a secret
guided missile - with the Lebanese as target practice - before
placing the weapon on the international arms market. A civilian has
been killed and four others, including three fighters, have been
wounded since May by the Israeli-manufactured mini cruise
missile.
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/missile.htm

Israelis literally steal tons of farm land from occupied zone
http://www.moqawama.tv/occ_impc/oc_zone.htm

After a rare admission of soil theft, Israel is now carrying
out another plan to transfer Lebanon's water to territories in
occupied Palestine.
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/l_water.htm

The stupendous view from the hills of south Lebanon: too good to
give up
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/doc_2000/good.html

The ‘Israeli” shelling of a UN post at Qana in 1996 left 107
civilians dead
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/doc_2001/qana.htm

Case against Sharon mounts
http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/doc_2001/against.htm

A British journalist conducted an interview with Dr. Anis Sayegh
regarding Zionist terrorism as he was one of its victims. The
interview was done on the occasion of the start of the Israeli
aggression on Lebanon on the 11th of April 1996. He gave a thorough
research in order that the British public opinion have an insight
into the subject. The following study deals with Israeli terrorism
since 1936 up until The Grapes of Wrath.
http://www.moqawama.tv/v_zionis/zi_terro.htm

Through Aliyah, Diaspora Jews regarded as mere 'human dust' elevate
themselves to the status of human beings. As Israeli citizens,
the Jews claim their rightful place as 'nation among (European)
nations'. Many critics have shown how advocacy of this solution has
undermined any struggle against anti-Semitism. Some critics have
even shown how Zionist leaders have collaborated with anti-Semitic
persecutors for the sake of that aliyah (as in Nazi Germany), or
for the sake of Israel's arms sales (as during the Argentinean
junta).
http://www.moqawama.tv/feauters/semitism.htm

As the Jewish state approaches its 50th anniversary next spring,
many Israelis are taking a second look at their nation's violent
inception. An AP correspondent spoke to historians deep in
disagreement over Israel's national myths.
http://www.moqawama.tv/v_zionis/n_histor.htm

Two months ago an Israeli journalist decided to publish an
account of an interview with celebrated Israeli general and
defense minister Moshe Dayan that had lain untouched in a drawer
for more than 20 years. In June, 1967, in the middle of the Six-Day
War, Gen. Dayan ordered his troops to attack Syria and take the
Golan Heights. For 30 years the Western world has considered Gen.
Dayan's motives for storming the Golan Heights rather obvious.
Syrian artillery on the high ground of the Heights had been
mercilessly shelling Israeli settlements down below. But in the
interview Gen. Dayan offered a far less self-flattering explanation
for Israel's attack. It hadn't been essentially defensive after
all. Gen. Dayan said Israeli farmers had been pressuring him to
take the Heights because they coveted its fertile soil.
http://www.moqawama.tv/feauters/hits.htm

The Haavara Agreement was a pact between the Nazis and Zionists
regarding Jewish emigration from Germany during the 1930's. It is
the only contract between an official Third Reich authority and a
Zionist organization. This agreement is considered to have
benefited the interests of both parties. Haavara was intended to
promote 

Re: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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 yes i do


 so now can you tell me why the arab/islamic  invasion to the
 region is
 somehow different and ok?

the genocide that is occuring NOW is stoppable...

a people have a right to exist...

period...

is your mind made up entirely of mechanisms of denial?

oh yeah...i forgot...i was supposed to ignore the rantings of a
brick wall...

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[CTRL] More on palestine and Mythical Israel

2002-01-03 Thread Fernando Sobral

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http://www.electronicintifada.net/historicalmyths/index.html

Saludos,
Fer

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[CTRL] Amnesty International: Attacks on Lebanese civilians in south Lebanon by Israeli forces

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.moqawama.tv/isr_aggr/doc_2000/forces.html

Amnesty International: Attacks on Lebanese civilians in
south Lebanon by Israeli forces

On 22 and 23 May 2000, during the withdrawal of the Israel Defence
Force (IDF)* from south Lebanon and the collapse of the South
Lebanon Army (SLA)**, Israel's proxy militia, a number of Lebanese
were killed by Israeli or SLA fire. Information gathered by Amnesty
International, including during a fact-finding visit to south
Lebanon, suggests that in at least four incidents over the two days
Israeli forces directed tank fire from the Israeli side of the
border at Lebanese civilians, killing four people.

This paper provides details of the four incidents and calls for
a full investigation into them, as the killings appear to have
resulted from direct attacks on civilians. If committed wilfully,
such attacks would constitute a grave breach of international
humanitarian law and therefore a war crime.

1. Background: the Israeli withdrawal and the demise of the SLA

In the days immediately preceding the attacks referred to in this
report, the IDF was withdrawing from the area of south Lebanon it
called its “security zone”. Israel had militarily occupied this
area since 1985 with the assistance of the SLA -- and effectively
controlled much of it since 1978 -- arguing that it was meant to
constitute a buffer protecting its northern borders against
attacks. In recent years Lebanese fighters belonging to what has
been referred to as the “Resistance”, particularly those belonging
to the armed political group Hizbullah, had increased their attacks
against IDF and SLA personnel in the “security zone”. Over the
years, Amnesty International has repeatedly called on all parties
to this conflict to respect their obligations under international
humanitarian law to protect civilians.

The Israeli government of Prime Minister Ehud Barak elected in
1999 promised to withdraw the IDF from Lebanon with or without an
overall peace agreement with Lebanon and Syria. After inconclusive
negotiations with Syria over the Golan Heights occupied by Israel
in 1967 and continued casualties among IDF troops caused by
Hizbullah fighters, the Israeli government decided to withdraw
unilaterally and set 7 July as the date by which it would complete
the withdrawal. The IDF began to hand over its positions to the SLA
in mid-May.

 However, events moved rapidly. By the end of Monday 22 May
the “security zone” had been cut into two sections by returning
civilians and Hizbullah members, without serious fighting taking
place. By the morning of Tuesday 23 May the western sector of the
“security zone” collapsed, with more Lebanese civilians and armed
fighters streaming in from the north. The IDF accelerated its
pull-back, blowing up or shelling abandoned IDF or SLA positions
and materiel, while SLA fighters were giving themselves up or
heading for Israel. The IDF withdrawal was completed on the night
between Tuesday 23 May and Wednesday 24 May, with thousands of SLA
fighters and their families, among other Lebanese, crossing the
border to seek refuge in Israel.

2. The general circumstances of the attacks

On Monday 22 May hundreds of Lebanese started returning to the
villages of Hulah and Markaba. Among them were armed Lebanese
fighters. These movements of civilians and fighters were
effectively cutting the “security zone” in two in its central area,
without meaningful resistance by the IDF or the SLA.

According to Nicholas Blanford of the Lebanese newspaper Daily
Star and British newspaper The Times who was in the area that day,
around midday three to five Israeli helicopters flying on the
Israeli side of the border were firing on the road between Markaba
and 'Adaysah. Two Israeli tanks positioned on the border near the
Israeli village of Misgav Am also started firing on the road, while
further Israeli fire was destroying positions and materiel
abandoned by the IDF and the SLA.

Nicholas Blanford told Amnesty International that on the
morning of 22 May an SLA tank was hit by IDF fire after it had
broken down and was abandoned near the road some 1,500 metres north
of the bend where three of the attacks detailed in this report took
place (one cannot see the bend from where the tank was). He was
near this burning tank, in the early afternoon, with a group of
about 50 civilians and some armed men who were stopping people from
going further down the road:

“We were standing some 100 to 150 metres from the smouldering
tank. I was there with Stephen Wallace and an unarmed man with a
Hizbullah flag who told us he wanted to plant the flag on the tank.
At that point a tank shell slammed into the dirt just below the
asphalt of the road a few metres away from were we were, kicking
stones and dust into the air but without causing injuries. The
shell could only have come from the trees around Manara in Israel.
A few seconds later we heard machine-gun fire and bullets 

[CTRL] The Zionist Terrorism file

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.moqawama.tv/v_zionis/zi_terro.htm

The Zionist Terrorism file


Anis Sayegh
A British journalist conducted an interview with Dr. Anis Sayegh
regarding Zionist terrorism as he was one of its victims. The
interview was done on the occasion of the start of the Israeli
aggression on Lebanon on the 11th of April 1996. He gave a thorough
research in order that the British public opinion have an insight
into the subject. The following study deals with Israeli terrorism
since 1936 up until The Grapes of Wrath.





I should not only draw the attention of the British public opinion
to the subject of Zionist terrorism, because it is a subject that
should interest the whole human race, specially after the rush of
thirty government officials to the meeting of Sharm Al-Shiekh (and
what has and will follow in the way of meetings to higher levels)
to discuss the protection of Israel against Palestinian
terrorism, but there being several minor motivation and one major
one. As for the minor motivation, British Governments had in the
past, a great deal to do with decisions in deciding the fate of the
Arab Palestinian people in reaching their great calamity of being
homeless and dispersed , and another being that Britain is the
cradle for today’s democracy, and the mother of freedom to the
whole world generally and to us Arabs specifically.

And being that the British people who are presently complaining of
extreme Irish terrorism should be called upon more than any other
to look into the problem of terrorism openly, objectively , fairly
and in depth. Another minor motivation is the British media [Press,
Radio and television] which helped greatly in the past and still
does in publicizing violence.

As for the major and more direct reason is that there is talk that
is presently going on in an official level in Britain as to
considering (urgently) Jihad as being terrorism, therefore the
call for Jihad whether it be by the pen or the tongue should be
considered as an involvement in terrorism, all this was set off by
the Zionist authorities in Palestine and was forced upon the
surrendered leadership of the Palestinian people (excuse me if I am
using expressions that are no longer common, or even acceptable,
during this time that we call evil times. But it has become a thing
of the past that the civilized world today wants to forget because
he thinks that it contradicts with the festival of peace which is
forced upon us to participate in - not forgetting that these
expressions are still alive and reflect the true reality while
representing clear signs that speak for themselves).

From here I felt for the importance in writing this peaceful tale
which I hope the British reader will look into it before he is
convinced of the matter of Arab terrorism. And we shall see that
the terrorism is not caused by the Arab. But instead it is Israeli
and Zionist from the very start.

And may the reader allow me to try and be brief, as much as a
Historian can be, in summarizing a huge file filled with practices
of organized political groups for the past sixty years, that being
the file of Zionist terrorism: violent practices that was committed
by official and semi-official groups against defenseless civilians
who were not fighters or military personnel, which is unlawful for
government to practice in defending its peace. It is violence that
contradicts with treaties that is common among developed countries,
which have abided by them at least theoretically, in agreements and
treaties between two or more parties or governments and
publications and texts that channel into the heading of human
rights and specially civilians. And I leave for the British reader,
with his conscience of holding on to his deep-rooted values, to
judge for himself who really is the terrorist and who is the one
who needs protection from terrorism. On the condition that he uses
one and the same scale to judge with- for in justice there is only
one scale. And not to use different criteria, by seeing a practice
correct for one group and wrong for the other.

I choose to start from the 16th of April 1939, exactly 60 years
ago, the date these black and bloody record started. That day the
Zionist terrorist chose at random by shooting and killing two Arab
civilians passing close to Betah Takfe settlement, without them
having any military characteristic or military activities. And the
terrorist activities continued from that moment nearly without stop
until our present day. But we do not mean to specify that
particular day in April 1936 that the Zionist did not commit any
acts of terrorism on the Arab Palestinian before that date. There
are tens of incidents that occurred in the first third of this
century. But in all they were separate incidents far apart to draw
a chain of events.

The market places, main streets and poor residential areas in
cities like Jerusalem, Yafa and Haifa 

[CTRL] other sites

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.abbc.com/ford/index.htm

http://www.moqawama.tv/garaudy/part1.htm

http://www.hizbollah.org/english/frames/index_eg.htm

http://www.jerusalemites.org/

http://www.palestine-info.net/

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/southleb/main.html

http://www.oppression.org/index2.html

http://www.addameer.org/

http://www.followupcsld-ip.org.lb/

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[CTRL] First Nation Genocide in BC

2002-01-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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You are welcome to discuss this with the author, Rev. Annett, who is a
subscriber and active participant on the list
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waiting list at Vancouver Public Library and he lectures on the subject.
While David Ingram will not agree that there was political motivation
(conspiracy) behind the sudden and unexpected cancellation of his
popular current affairs tv show, I cannot support such a position which I
have to say (with all due respect to David who is one of my media
heros) that this is politically naive. I have seen the lives and careers
of two prominent lawyers, Jack Cram and Dr. Bruce Clark utterly destroyed
by the political-judicial establishment of BC because they took too strong
a stand for First Nation rights. It is politically correct and even
fashionable to go just so far in this direction. But Ingram interviewed
Annett and Ingram took the position (which is pretty well correct in
law) that ALL OF BC BELONGS TO FIRST NATIONS. I say pretty well because
I think settlers have some rights in law too and I don't think even the UN
courts would concede all of BC to First Nations.

Ingram seems naive about how much he disturbed the establishment of BC
with his show. The political-judicial establishment of BC runs roughshod
over the constitutionally guaranteed democratic rights of a democratic
society (Canada, unlike USA has a democracy by constitution). People
become defeatist in their attitudes as they go along between elections
and then every 4-5 years elect in a new shift for the dictatorship of the
plutocracy in a tweedle dum/tweedle dee pseudo election. Ingram brought up
the controversial issues from the De-Tax Movement to Chemtrails to the
Gillian Guess Case. The Gillian Guess Case BTW was near the top of the
list at Harvard Law School for current cases of importance to law
students. Put all of this together and what do you get? A picture of
massive corruption in the political-judicial establishment of BC. Ingram
himself does not seem inclined to see that picture. Jack Cram's demise
came about because he did see it that way and he called it that way. BC
Legislator Judy Tyabji was on BCTV at the time saying, Jack Cram isn't on
trial. The judicial system of BC is on trial. Indeed, that is what Cram
was doing. He was actually attempting to put a judicial system on trial.
That is what Ingram was doing without knowing it.

There are volumes to add to this including the story of why a sitting BC
premier would have his home raided by RCMP after dark in an unprecedented
action and now finds himself under criminal charges before the BC
courts. Join us if you want to discuss a real conspiracy story in super,
natural, BC as our tourism slogans call us.

FWP
(Citizen Wayne)

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, walt wrote:

 Hi Folks: Was reading Nexus magazine and stumbled on this one. God! Genecide for 
over fifty years in Canada done to the indians there.

 http://annett55.freewebsite.com  The full story here! Spread this far and wide!

 Walt

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[CTRL] When God went global

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://www.arts.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2001/12/22/b
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When God went global
(Filed: 22/12/2001)

Tom Payne hails an enlightened lesson in how to read the Bible

The joke How do you know Christ was Jewish? has a handful of
punchlines, and my favourite one is, He took over His father's
business and turned it into a multinational. Jack Miles's book
examines how Christ did it, and why.

Miles approaches the Bible as a literary critic. But as literary
critics go, he is in an odd position. In his earlier book, God: a
Biography (1995), he compared himself to the theatre-goer who wonders
what Hamlet is like off-stage as well as on. Miles presented us with
a literary hero who could not make up his mind. He charted the Lord's
mood swings through the Tanakh - the Jewish scriptures - and aimed to
account for the career of this rounded if unbalanced individual.

Christ is the sequel: in it the author uses the same techniques to
account for the biggest change of mind God ever had - the moment when
he told his chosen people that he was going to go global. This leads
Miles to deal with the Bible's own biggest conflict, which is between
Christianity's Old and New Testaments. He writes: The Incarnation is
Christianity's breathtaking addition to Judaism's already long list
of divine self-contradiction
s.

A biography of the Hebrew God is hardly going to throw up the sort of fellow who would 
become a man and allow Himself to be crucified by Israel's conquerors. And Miles is at 
pains to show God in His incarnate form as the
exact opposite of a divine warrior come to save the Jews from their oppressors. The 
author doesn't even flinch from the thought that God might be breaking His promises to 
His beloved people. He sees Christ's teaching that
 we should love our neighbour and turn the other cheek (a phrase he analyses 
sensitively) as part of His - God's - strategy. God's new plan to defeat His enemies 
is to decide not to have any. This is an especially canny p
loy when the enemy is imperial Rome and there is no magic potion to be had in 
Jerusalem.

The argument as summarised here sounds casuistic; but Miles puts his case with 
virtuosity and vigour (sometimes too much vigour, as when he quotes the odd verse of 
scripture in italics, tells us he added the italics, and
on one occasion even enjoins us to note the italicised phrase). He is persuasive 
because of his approach to the text. Every detail in it, he says, is relevant. The 
Gospel writers tell us only what they want us to know;
and throughout all their writing there are knowing allusions to Jewish scripture, for 
those who have ears to hear. Seen in this light, the New Testament appears crafted to 
fit in literary context with the Old.

This gives the author the right - which he claims eagerly - to dispense with any need 
to ask if the Bible relates to things that actually happened. And yet his argument 
further benefits from the historical context into wh
ich he puts it - the imminent destruction of Jerusalem, the massacre of 1.1 million 
Jews (according to Josephus) and the widespread dispersal of the survivors. It is as 
though some bits of history are part of the text. An
d he discusses the cultural background surrounding the text fascinatingly, such as the 
status of Samaritans and Galileans in Palestine at the time, or the horror of being a 
woman there taken in adultery. It is as though h
e can't help showing us the world Christ came to change.

Still, if a historian's job is to look at the world after the text and ask whether the 
former affected the latter, it is surely up to a literary critic to ask, of the text, 
is it any good? The reader of Christ can be safe
 in the knowledge that Miles is not coming to the Bible as Anthony Powell came to the 
Koran (he read it with considerable skipping and called it repetitive, lacking in 
narrative powers, in short not a patch on the Bibl
e). Miles looks at how the contents of the Bible hold together (sometimes literally - 
his discussion of the move from scrolls to codices has interesting implications). 
Needless to say, he gives it a rave.

So should we give Christ a rave? Just about. It brims with ideas, and Miles has a 
teacher's urge to find a profusion of ways to explain those ideas. I didn't always 
find his use of the Tanakh convincing. Observant Jews mi
ght reasonably object to him calling the acts of penance described in the Torah 
unimaginably wild and primitive. Devout Christians would argue that the virgin birth 
of Jesus is more extraordinary than the post-menopausa
l parturitions of the Old Testament Miles offers as equivalents. And while we're at 
it, the work is laughably edited. One page alone has three misprints; a note repeats 
much of the text it comments on; and another note, o
n a discussion of Christ's celibacy, gives us celibracy and celibrate. Is this the 
new gay?

But this isn't the Bible. It's a 

[CTRL] The latest leaflets dropped in Afghanistan

2002-01-03 Thread Joshua Tinnin

from -
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20020103/us/1010092772attacks_us_leaflets_
wx114.html

The front and back of leaflets being dropped in Afghanistan by the Pentagon
showing what appears to be a young, beardless Osama bin Laden wearing a
mustache, short hair and a Western suit and tie, an altered image that might
offend followers of his and the Talibans' extremely strict version of Islam.
The front show a dead al-Qaida fighter. (AP Photo/Defense Department)

attachment: leaflets.jpg

[CTRL] Navy ready to evacuate coastal towns

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/
2002/01/03/FFXS9U5FZVC.html


Navy ready to evacuate coastal towns
Thursday 3 January 2002

A spot fire in the Shoalhaven on the New South Wales south coast has
jumped into a nature reserve and was heading towards the popular
south coast holiday spot Jervis Bay. South-westerly winds were
pushing the blaze towards the township and to nearby Hyam's Beach, a
NSW Fire Brigade spokesman said.

The fire, which had its origins in the blaze that claimed at least 12
houses in Sussex Inlet yesterday, was surrounding St Georges Basin,
he said. The spokesman said the fire could reach the coast within
hours.

HMAS Creswell was on standby for a mass evacuation of the area if
necessary.

The main road across the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, is likely to
be closed due to an approaching bushfire.

NSW Rural Fire Service Commissioner Phil Koperberg said the Great Western Highway 
would probably be impacted by a fire front moving towards Woodford.

We expect that smoke and other conditions such as burning embers and what have you 
will begin to impact the Great Western Highway, he said.

Exactly where we don't know, but obviously plans are in place to close the Great 
Western Highway should that eventuate, in a fashion which is timely.

We're obviously not going to close it at the last minute.

PM welcomes Elvis

Prime Minister John Howard today welcomed suggestions that Elvis firebombing 
helicopters could be rushed to NSW within days, but cautioned that he would rely on 
the advice of experts.

Mr Howard, having indicated the federal government would consider buying a number of 
the $US15 million helitankers, said the commonwealth remained ready to help.

Anything that can be done will be done, he told reporters in Sydney.

But he added: I am not a firefighter and neither is the Premier of NSW.

Both us will be taking the advice of (Fire Commissioner) Phil Koperberg.

Defence Force goes in to help

Four navy helicopters, a navy fire truck and crew and a 20,000 litre RAAF fuel tanker 
are being used to help battle bushfires devastating NSW.

Australian Defence Force (ADF) bases throughout regional NSW were also being used to 
accommodate firefighting personnel and police, the ADF said today.

Two navy Sea King helicopters were being used to transport and evacuate firefighters 
and residents affected by the blazes while two navy Squirrel helicopters were being 
used for mapping and fire-spotting, Brigadier Bornho
lt said.

Two ADF flexi-dams, large water bladders, are also providing temporary water storage 
facilities.

Emergency Management Australia (EMA) said Attorney-General Daryl Williams had given 
approval for the ADF support to continue until January 10.

EMA said the navy helicopters had been on call since Christmas Day while the fuel 
tanker carrying Jet A1 fuel, from RAAF Base Williamtown near Newcastle, had been based 
at Goulburn Airport since December 30 to refuel airc
raft used for water bombing.

EMA director-general David Templeman said the assistance provided by the defence force 
was a significant contribution to the combined community efforts in fighting the 
blazes.

This latest request from NSW Emergency Operations Centre indicates the defence force 
assets have been fully incorporated into the rural fire service strategic planning 
with the Sea King helicopters being held in reserve
should evacuations of residents in isolated bushland areas be required at short 
notice, Mr Templeman said.

An overview of the fires



Between 160 and 170 homes destroyed, including 12 to 20 yesterday in Wollondilly and 
Sussex Inlet
More than 200 other structures destroyed including units, sheds and shops
About 50 caravans, cars and boats destroyed
More than 1,000 kilometres of fire burning around NSW
At least 40 fires started by arsonists
More than 20,000 personnel fighting fires, with one-third of them in
support capacities 8,000 firefighters are on the ground at any one
time 300 firefighters working just on the blaze around West Pymble
Firefighters from Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and
Queensland assisting
There have been no fatalities or serious injuries to firefighters
More than 60 aircraft deployed each day, including the Air- Crane
Helitanker nicknamed Elvis
More than 300 homes were saved from the fires raging in the Pennant
Hills area yesterday
More than 1,000 insurance claims already made, with the total damage
bill expected to exceed $50 million
Efforts to control the fires have already cost tens of millions of
dollars, Emergency Services Minister Bob Debus

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[CTRL] NEVER HAVING TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://www.uexpress.com/johnleo/viewjl.cfm?uc_fn=1uc_full_date=200112
23uc_daction=Xuc_comic=jl


TERRORISM MEANS NEVER HAVING TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY

It's official. The campaign to humanize John Walker is under way. A
possible trial for treason is a concern, of course, but the battle
for Walker's image is way more important, according to consultants
consulted by The New York Times.

In fact, the Times nudged the humanization process along by running a
Page One photo of Walker as a winsome teen-ager, wearing an aw-shucks
smile and a New York Knicks T-shirt. The shirt was a deft touch. How
can people associate Walker with the World Trade Center terrorists
when he actually supports a New York basketball team?

Still to come are the television interviews, a form of humanization
unavailable to Judas Iscariot, Tokyo Rose and Benedict Arnold. (Tell
us, Mr. Iscariot, was it just about those 30 pieces of silver? Wasn't
there an issue of real principle involved too?) Walker might go for
the conventional TV strategy of accusing his accusers:

Q: John, some people just don't know you. They think of you as some sort of traitor, 
or even a rat. What are your feelings?

A: It saddens me, Barbara, that some people have to put me down in order to feel good 
about themselves. Name-calling like this says more about them than it does about me. 
Anger comes from within. It isn't caused by other
people's actions, certainly not my actions. We have to ask: Why are they attacking my 
lifestyle instead of dealing with their own negativity?

A variation of this strategy would be the who's-to-judge, who's-to-say defense. If 10 
percent to 20 percent of college students are unwilling to criticize Adolf Hitler, as 
one professor famously claimed, then surely a hef
ty percentage of Americans can be induced to avoid judgment of Walker:

Q: John, treason is a very serious charge. Your reaction?

A: Montel, the only treason is refusing to follow your own heart. We all have to pick 
our own spiritual paths. Nobody can do it for us. It's not for me to judge your path, 
and I hope you don't want to judge mine. Choosing
 your own spirituality isn't a betrayal. It's the deepest act of personal creation. 
What could be more beautiful?

Or Walker's handlers could just let him bury the interviewer in Marin County 
psychobabble. A risky strategy, but one known to work, particularly on daytime shows:

Q: John, I think we all know about your search, the spiritual hunger that drives you. 
But what would you say to those who believe the Taliban is unworthy of you? I mean, 
aren't they a bit authoritarian? Do they really tre
at women all that well?

A: Ricki, in an American context, the Taliban might look a bit authoritarian. But 
remember, in a group where control is shared by all, you have a facilitative climate 
that empowers every person. An organic flow is created
 with individuals living together in an ecologically related fashion. The locus of 
choice still resides in each person, yet as awareness expands, intuitively the 
community choice becomes a shifting consensus expressing ea
ch individual choice, just like the sap rising and falling in a tree when conditions 
make one direction or the other appropriate. I believe the women of the Taliban 
understand this even more clearly than the men.

Q: I see ...

Strategy has been complicated by the revelation that Walker isn't just a confused 
adolescent who drifted into the Taliban army. He is a graduate of a terrorist training 
camp. This may be hard to handle:

Q: John, many of us respect your personal quest, but what about the terrorist 
training? Help us with that.

A: It was a shock to me too, Geraldo. Imagine my surprise when I learned that my 
training wasn't just civil defense. It was a proactive course in blowing up buildings 
and people! Thank heaven our troops intervened before
I was pushed into that sort of stuff. I think your viewers know that I stand for 
spiritual fulfillment and personal growth, not explosions.

The probable strategy is to portray Walker as a gentle, not-too-bright soul who really 
isn't responsible since he may have been brainwashed. This calls for the mistakes 
were made admission. Since Phil Donahue retired, t
he best place for the 20-minute redemption and absolution is Oprah's show:

Q: John, you have outlined for us the honest errors you made along the path you chose. 
Admitting this must have been painful.

A: It was, Oprah, but my pain isn't the issue. The important thing, as you say, is 
honesty. If we level with ourselves, we keep growing as persons. This is what I stand 
for, and if I'm punished for that, so be it.

Q: Audience, what about that?

(Wild applause. Fade to commercial.)

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Re: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?

2002-01-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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The matter of the NATION of Palestine is a red herring. The fact is that
people lived there from an ancestry so distant the records are lost in
time and they were then displaced by the millions with tens of thousands
killed in a 50 year long litany of terror. That is fact. Whatever the
reasons given by the invaders that is fact. Americans who had property
seized in Cuba under violations which pale by comparison are still
complaining to the US Government and are heard with sympathy. Palestinians
OTOH, who do no less to repel the invaders than Americans would do are
then somehow presented as the aggressors and terrorists. There are
1,000,000 Americans living in Canada. If invaders of any kind were to
seize their land here for any reason and start killing them by the tens of
thousands what do you think they would do? Do you think telling them they
are just living here in Canada and have no nation in Canada would somehow
pacify them or that they should move across the border to the USA (as
Palestinians are told to move to Jordon)?
POC

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, thew wrote:

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 a few things here are very interesting - let me point 2 out -

  The Palestinian Arabs of today, Muslims and Christians,

 So religion is not a part of this ethnic identity - and yet it implies that
 none of the aboriginal inhabitants became Jews. this is specious at best.

 if you are talking about foreign cultural invasion - then Islam invaded the
 region, Christianity invaded the region, and Judaism invaded the region
 ( although 2 of these 3 had their genesis in the region, but why quibble
 with the facts)

 So if the Palestinians are something other than the Islamic Arabs who came
 later, then the arab/muslim influence is just as much a cultural invasion as
 the Jewish, no?

 maybe more so, since Judaism traces itself to the region, and Islam does
 not...no?

 if not can explain why not?


  But the fact remains that the major portion of the territory, now
  called Israel, is still legitimately belongs to the indigenous
  Palestinian people.


 this is just factually inaccurate - the major portion of the territory that
 was Palestine is now called Jordan, and is an Islamic homeland for the
 Palestinian people.

 again - if you think what I am saying is incorrect, please point out where
 and how... thanks

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  Subject: [CTRL] WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/history/palwhopal.html
 
  WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
 
  Not only did the Zionists devote extraordinary efforts to defeat
  the Palestinians and destroy their society, but also they denied
  their existence.
 
  Israel Zangwill, a founder of Zionism, claimed that Palestine was
  ?a land without people, waiting for people without a land.?(Israel
  Zangwill, ?The Return to Palestine?, New Liberal Review,II, Dec.
  1901, p.627) But later on he came to admit that, ?There is,
  however, a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his
  eyes, though he does not like to face...Palestine proper has
  already its own inhabitants.? (?The Voice of Jerusalem?, London,
  1920, p.88) [mentioned in FF, p.4]
 
  The earliest Zionist colonialists in Palestine knew that the land
  they are settling on was inhabited. Christopher Sykes, pro-Zionist
  historian, said in his ?Crossroads to Israel 1917-1948? that ?This
  is the problem with Palestine, it was inhabited.? But some chose to
  ignore this minor problem while others tried to overcome it.
 
  Herzl, the father of Zionism, believed that the native Palestinians
  would resist the takeover of their country and therefore
  recommended that they be dealt with through ?assured supremacy?,
  est. brutal force and military superiority. (Herzl, ?The Jewish
  State: a modern Solution to the Jewish Question?, Rita Searl, 1946,
  p.29) [quoted in Facts and Fables, by Clifford A. Wright, p.2] He
  preached that the Zionists should acquire the land of their choice
  by armed conquest.
 
  The denial of the Palestinian existence is well and alive until
  today, where the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and living
  in Israel, are officially known as ?the Arabs of Israel?. This
  denial of the Palestinian existence is a wholesale dehumanization
  of a people. ?Who are the Palestinians?, exclaimed Golda Meir,
  Prime Minister of Israel, ?There was no 

[CTRL] Jewish Racism against Arabs

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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Jewish Racism against Arabs

Arabs are beasts, no human beings. Their flesh is flesh from mules
and therefor they should be treated as such.

this is part of the greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy



In 1962, a part of the Maimonidean Code referred to above, the
so-called Book of Knowledge, which contains the most basic rules of
Jewish faith and practice ... Maimonides ... was also a philosopher
and his Guide to the Perplexed is justly considered to be the
greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy and is widely read and
used even today. Unfortunately, in addition to his attitude towards
non-Jews generally and Christians in particular, Maimonides was
also an anti-Black racist. Towards the end of the Guide, in a
crucial chapter (book III, chapter 51) he discusses how various
sections of humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the
true worship of God. Among those who are incapable of even
approaching this are:
 Some of the Turks [i.e., the Mongol race] and the nomads in the
North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who
resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature
of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the
level of human beings, and their level among existing things is
below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have
the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does.

Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Pluto Press, London
1994, page 24/25 (Chapter 2: Prejudice and Prevarication)


The fruits of the greatest Jewish philosophy flourishes in modern
Israel and modern Judaism Sharon Kalimi is a member of a strict
orthodox Breslau Hasidim community and he expresses openly a view
that is now common amongst pious Jews, according to the highly
respected German daily 'Süddeutsche Zeitung'.

We quote from the Süddeutsche Zeitung:


Süddeutsche Zeitung (Munich), April 3,1999 (SZ On Easter) page III
The Spring of Hate Sharon Kalimi, a Hasidim Jew: Arabs are beasts,
no human beings. Their flesh is flesh from mules and therefor they
should be treated as such.

http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/judaism/arabs.htm


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[CTRL] An Introduction to the Palestinian Question

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/history/introduction.htm

An Introduction to the Palestinian Question

It is impossible to deal with the struggle that is taking place
over the occupied Palestinian territory as a model of a normal
human struggle. It is also impossible to consider this struggle as
a continuation of the struggles that have not stopped between
different powers to control the Palestinian territory for economic,
military, or even religious reasons.

The struggle between the Arab Nations--on various levels--and
Israel forms a struggle that involves historical and political
situations, economic and religious factors, and even the civilized
view of the Arab-Islamic region and its role in the procession of
human civilization.

It would be enough to examine the stages of history that the
Palestinian Problem went through to explain this fact. As the
European colonialist competition arose at the end of the eighth
century to succeed the Ottoman Empire in order to control the
strategic Indian passageway and to form a major factor to outline
the politics of the European countries, the Jewish activists, with
European support in which Germany and England participated, tried
to force the Ottoman Caliphate to make an agreement with Sultan Abd
Al Hameed the Second that would give the Jews the right to settle
in Palestine and the permission to emigrate to it. However, Sultan
Abd Al Hameed refused to submit to either the European pressure or
to the temptations offered by the Jews.

In the period between 1900 and 1901, Sultan Abd Al Hameed issued a
statement forbidding the Jewish travelers from settling in
Palestine for more than three months. Furthermore, he ordered that
the Jews be prevented from buying any Palestinian land, for he
feared that this would turn the land into a foundation that would
enable them to separate Palestine from the Islamic world.

In 1902, the Jews proposed a tempting offer to Sultan Abd Al Hameed
in which the rich Jews would promise to pay all the debts of the
Ottoman State, to build a squadron to defend it, and to offer a
loan of 35 million gold dinars for the Ottoman's run-down public
treasury. However, Sultan Abd Al Hameed refused all offers. His
reply to the offer, which came via a memorandum sent to Theodor
Herzl, was Advise Doctor Herzl not to take serious steps in this
matter because I cannot give up one foot of the land for it is not
my personal property; it is the property of my people. My people
fought for the sake of this land and their blood was shed. Let the
Jews save their millions. If my empire is torn apart one day, the
Jews can separate Palestine without any cost. However, as long as I
am alive, dissecting my body with a knife is easier for me than to
see Palestine separated away from the Islamic State. And this will
not be. I cannot agree with dissecting our bodies as long as we are
living.

When the Jews became certain of the failure of all possible
attempts, they began working on the declination of the Ottoman
Empire. They were able to creep in through the Donma Jewish Sect,
the people of which pretended to be Muslims and carried Turkish
names and entered the Union and Progress Society, thus they were
able to seize the power in 1907. The Jews increased their
activities in Palestine with the support of the followers of the
Union and Progress Society. The Jews of Donma seized the reigns
of government in Asetana because the new Ottoman ruler had allowed
them to immigrate to Palestine and to buy Palestinian land. This
was what paved the way for the Zionist organizations to start
practicing their activities on wide scale until the Caliphate was
declined formally in 1924. Then, the British military forces
occupied Palestine.

The advantages of colonization in taking Palestine away from the
Arab world met with those of the Jews in establishing a national
homeland. Actually, it was the European rulers who offered a
national home on Palestinian land for the Jews long before the Jews
themselves suggested it. In particular, the offer came from France
and Britain in an attempt to get rid of the Jewish problem in
Europe and to achieve colonial gains from the Jewish State.

The colonialist competition between France and Britain was obvious
in the Middle East even before the establishment of the Zionist
Movement. The aims of both were to defend their benefits in the
area, to cause harm to it or to compete with it regarding those
benefits, and to find different ways to defend these benefits.
Britain thought that after the failure of Napoleon Bonaparte in
Egypt and Bilad Al-Sham, it would be useful to look for other
alternatives in the Middle East for the continuation of its
superiority over France. She found Palestine a suitable place to
spread her authority because of its geographical location-that
being the centre of the Arab region and because it is considered
the gateway between Asia and Africa. Therefore, it is for the
benefit of the European and British 

[CTRL] Heart may be able to repair itself

2002-01-03 Thread RobG

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Heart May Be Able to Repair Itself

By STEPHANIE NANO
Associated Press Writer
Dr. Piero Anversa

  Challenging generations of medical lore, researchers have found striking
new evidence that the human heart can repair itself.

Doctors have long assumed that damage from a heart attack or other ailment
is irreversible and that the heart cannot regenerate tissue the way other
organs can. But that belief has been shaken by recent research.

A team of American and Italian researchers demonstrated last year that heart
muscle cells multiply after a heart attack. Now they have shown that in
heart transplant patients, primitive cells from the patient travel to the
new heart and grow new muscle and blood vessels.

The researchers studied men who received transplanted hearts from women, and
discovered male cells in the donated female hearts.

The discovery could help scientists eventually devise treatments to fix bad
hearts.

``There have been hints from animal studies that the cells could migrate
before, but this is the first demonstration in a human that it is actually
possible,'' said John Fakunding of the National Heart, Lung and Blood
Institute, which helped pay for the study in Thursday's New England Journal
of Medicine.

The researchers found that heart muscle and blood vessels grew rapidly in
the new hearts after transplant. They calculated that as much as one-fifth
of the donor heart had been rebuilt by the recipient's own cells.

``Clearly this shows that the heart has the ability to regenerate,'' said
Dr. Roberto Bolli of the University of Louisville, who wrote an accompanying
editorial. ``It could be a milestone discovery if we learn how to exploit
this phenomenon for therapeutic purposes to regenerate heart muscle in
patients with heart failure.''

The researchers looked for the male Y chromosome in eight female hearts that
were transplanted into men. After the heart recipients died, tissue samples
were taken from each donor heart and from remnants of the old heart not remo
ved during transplant surgery.

The researchers found evidence of the primitive cells with stem cell
characteristics in the remnants of the old hearts, as well as in the donor
hearts. The primitive cells from the recipient could also have come through
the patient's bloodstream.

``We have the first strong suggestions that the heart has primitive cells -
meaning cardiac stem cells - which could be used in the future to repair the
heart,'' said Dr. Piero Anversa, who led the researchers at New York Medical
College in Valhalla, N.Y., and the University of Udine and the University of
Parma in Italy.

Stem cells are master cells that transform themselves into certain types of
tissue, such as muscle, skin or bone. Doctors believe stem cells could one
day be used to replace or fix failing organs.

Anversa said he and his colleagues are working to identify whether a cardiac
stem cell exists and whether it can be manipulated to promote heart repair.
``This is the work that we will be doing for the next couple of years,'' he
said.

In the meantime, Anversa said his belief that the heart can repair itself is
slowly gaining acceptance. ``I think it is going to be more and more
difficult to challenge us.'' he said.

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[CTRL] Our Misguided Patriotism

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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http://toogoodreports.com/column/general/shelton/20020102.htm

The Misplaced Passions
Of Our Misguided Patriotism

By
Lee R. Shelton IV

Toogood Reports [Wednesday, January 2, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/

What is patriotism? If you subscribe to the dictionary definition of
the word you would say that patriotism is the love for or the
devotion to one's country. If, however, you subscribe to the
prevailing post-9/ 11 definition you would say that patriotism is the
blind, unquestioning devotion to one's national government. There is,
as you might guess, a huge difference.

This redefining of patriotism has been evident across the entire
political spectrum. Conservatives, who have made a living voicing
their opposition to big government yet have failed to do anything
about it, have climbed aboard the patriotic bandwagon and have stated
their unwavering support of President Bush's methods in his war on
terrorism. Liberals, who have enjoyed demonizing the military
except when their boy Clinton was in office, are now waving flags
along with their conservative brethren and are even joining in
choruses of God Bless America.

The average American can also show his or her patriotism by proudly
displaying Old Glory in virtually every venue imaginable. The flag of
our federal government can be seen unfurled on T-shirts, jackets,
socks, lapel pins, football helmets, stocking caps, coffee mugs,
serving trays, napkins, towels, ball point pens, bumper
stickers...the list is endless. By flying the flag they are sending
Washington a message: We're behind you! We support you 110%! Go get
'em!

That's all well and good. If what happened on September 11 was an act
of war, Congress should declare war and see to it that the threat
against our national security is eliminated. But what we have now is
not technically a war.

Ever since 1941, declaring war has been viewed as a mere formality,
something we can avoid by sidestepping the Constitution and allowing
the president to have unilateral control of the military. I suppose
waiting for Congress to declare war only gets in the way of the
Commander in Chief´s ability to do what we elected him to do.

We have forgotten that our government needs constitutional restraints
and have come to the conclusion that to limit government in times of
crisis is unpatriotic. We have decided that our immediate albeit
temporary safety is worth sacrificing a little liberty. You want
military tribunals without a declaration of war and with no
congressional oversight? You got it! You want a new government
bureaucracy created to mandate strategies for local law enforcement?
No problem! You want the federal government to take over airport
security despite its inability to protect our borders? Consider it
done!

Our leaders in Washington are hoping that we are so embroiled in our
patriotism that we will go along with their efforts to assume more
power than they were ever meant to have. Many Americans are so
blinded by their neo-patriotism that just about anything short of
an outright ban on the freedom of speech will be tolerated. And I
cannot even say that with complete confidence.

Politicians would have you believe that the true patriots are those
concentrating on our current undeclared war and are devoted to
avenging the deaths of thousands of Americans. In their minds, true
patriots do not question authority when Congress and the president
are trying to do their jobs. We´re at war. How dare anyone second-
guess the intentions of the ruling class!

Unfortunately, too many people have forgotten what a true patriot is.
True patriots are those who are still devoted to upholding and
defending the Constitution of the United States and the principles
that built this nation. True patriots understand that limitations
have been placed on the federal government for a reason, and that
without those limitations we are no better than the tyrannical
regimes we claim to abhor. True patriots know that Uncle Sam poses a
bigger threat to our freedoms than Uncle Osama.

Whether you believe we are engaged in a just war or not, the fact
remains that our government has historically capitalized on crises in
order to pry liberty from the hands of the very citizens whose rights
it has sworn to protect. A true patriot would not cave in to the
pressure to exchange liberty for safety. A true patriot would remain
wary of every move the government made and would scrutinize the
government's actions in light of the Constitution.

Irish statesman John Philpot Curran once said,

The condition upon which G-d hath given liberty to man is eternal
vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the
consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.

I can't help but wonder, are there any true patriots left in America?

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Re: [CTRL] CI (Christian Identity) vs. JI (Jewish Identity)

2002-01-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, eric stewart wrote:

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  Here is the full title of Edward Hine's best seller from the late
  1800's:
  Forty-Seven Identifications of the British Nation with the Ten
  Lost
  Tribes of Israel founded upon Five Hundred Scripture
  Proofs.

 i am disgusted already...scriptural proofs?

Religious dogmas do cloud the issues in the JI vs. CI debate which has
been going on for centuries. But for those who wish to take an impartial
and scholarly look at the right of return which is said to ensue from
IDENTITY (with the original Israelites) I go back to three categories of
argument. First there is biological-genetic-familial so let's just call
this (1) Biological. Then there are cultural-social-religious arguments so
let's call this (2) Cultural and finally, perhaps the most difficult of
all to turn into reasoned argument, there are arguments about
(3) Spirituality, eg God or G-d gave us this land.

I find merits and flaws in both JI and CI positions overall. I don't think
any amount of fact or truth or reason is going to convince the dogmatists
and there are many on both sides. I am sure that no amount of reasoned
debate is going to stop the dreadful blood feud in the Middle East. But
while we are waiting for the Apocalypse which some say will be the final
solution to the matter, those of us who value scholarly and reasoned
investigation can have a look at the overall model for debate based on the
three categories above.

POC

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[CTRL] Earthquake Rocks South Asia

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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http://india.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=488group=webcast

Earthquake Rocks South Asia
by from CNN 5:34am Thu Jan 3 '02


An earthquake measuring magnitude 6 shook parts of Afghanistan,
Pakistan and India on Thursday, seismologists reported.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- An earthquake measuring magnitude 6
shook parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan and India on Thursday,
seismologists reported.

The quake was centered in the Hindu Kush mountain range in
Afghanistan, about 110 kilometers (70 miles) west of Chitral,
Pakistan, the U.S. Geological Survey said. It was felt first in the
Afghan cities of Kabul and Jalalabad around 11:35 a.m. (2:05 a.m.
EST).

In Kabul, CNN's John Raedler was in the fifth floor of the
Intercontinental Hotel when the quake struck. The shuddering
appeared to last about 10 seconds, shaking the floor and walls, he
said. Two clocks hanging on the wall began swinging.

Looking over Kabul from the hotel, he said, there were no obvious
signs of earthquake damage.

Two minutes later, the quake was felt in Islamabad, Pakistan. It
lasted at least one minute, CNN staff there said.

Parts of northern India, including sections of New Delhi, were also
shaken by the earthquake.




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[CTRL] URL Correction for Annett Site

2002-01-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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Apologies. The correct web site is http://annett55.freewebsites.com and
the footer for the Ingram List is below, FYI.
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 In August, 2001, the popular Ingram show was cancelled, suddenly and without 
explanation. It was the only televised challenge to the social-political 
establishment of BC. Why did this happen? What can be done to remedy this assault 
against our by-Constitution democratic society?

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[CTRL] Physician’s Report: Amir Did Not Kill Rabin

2002-01-03 Thread Euphorian

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}}}Begin
Physician’s Report: Amir Did Not Kill Rabin
A physician’s investigation into the murder of Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin suggests that convicted assassin Yigal Amir did not fire the
fatal bullets that killed the premier on Nov 4th, 1995. Itim news
agency reports that at a press conference held in Tel Aviv yesterday,
Yaakov Varker, CPA, announced the findings of the investigation
conducted by Dr. David Chen, a physician affiliated with Assaf
HaRofeh Hospital. The Ministry of Health did not permit Dr. Chen
himself to present the conclusions of his research. Chen’s findings
show that the bullets fired by Yigal Amir were copper- headed while
the pathological findings on Rabin’s body show that lead bullets
killed him.

Participants at the conference demanded the establishment of a
government-appointed public committee to re-investigate a series of
questions surrounding Rabin’s murder. Rabin's daughter MK Dalia Rabin-
Pelosoff, in an interview four years after the murder, listed some of
the unanswered questions which she said, trouble me every day:

Someone shouted, 'This is a blank', and there is no answer as to who shouted My 
mother rang me at home immediately after it happened and told me, 'They shot Abba 
[Father], but it's not for real.' … When the security
people drove her in a different car to the hospital, they told her that it wasn't 
real. And when she asked questions, they were silent and did not answer a single 
question of hers...

There are very many question marks around everything that happened immediately after 
the assassination. How was it that in the car that drove Imma [mother-- the late Leah 
Rabin], the security people did not speak with an
yone the entire way? Why didn't they let Imma drive with Abba? Why did they separate 
them and take her in a separate car? ...

Why did they take Imma from the place of the assassination? Why did they want to 
hustle her away from the scene of the event as fast as possible? Why did they tell her 
that this was an exercise? What exercise? And what h
appened to the so-essential instincts of every security person? Why didn't they 
immediately kill the assassin? How did it happen that they didn't shoot him? ...

They accuse Yigal Amir. But it is not so simple. It is much deeper, and much more 
complex... I know that we in the family will find no rest until we will know the 
truth... [Also] for example, the inconsistency between th
e report of the doctor who received Abba when he arrived at Ichilov [Hospital] and the 
pathology report. This does not leave me. The feeling of frustration is very, very 
difficult...

Prof. Aryeh Zaritsky also spoke at yesterday's Tel Aviv conference.
He asserts that there was undoubtedly a conspiracy among close Rabin
aides who worked to de-legitimize the opposition and place the
responsibility for the assassination on the entire right-wing camp.
Zaritsky further said that the investigation of the murder shows that
Yigal Amir could not have been the assassin.

Author Barry Chamish, who has published books contradicting the
official government findings of the Rabin murder, attended
yesterday’s press conference. Chamish has been speaking throughout
Israel and internationally explaining his findings, which conclude
that Amir actually fired blanks and was not the assassin. Chamish
points out discrepancies in the conclusions of the government-
appointed Shamgar Commission that investigated the assassination.
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[CTRL] Fw: Uganda Women against War [fwd]

2002-01-03 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic

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Subject: Uganda Women against War [fwd]


 ANTI-WAR MESSAGE FROM THE WOMEN OF UGANDA

 Dear Sisters,

 We the women of Kaabong Women's Group on behalf of the rural grassroots
 women in Uganda, especially Karamoja region, are opposing military
actions,
 budgets, arms fairs, and highly condemn the acts of terrorism and the
 revenge the USA has taken. Women, children are dying innocently. We bring
 this message of millions of women deprived of their basic human rights and
 status in all parts of the world and we join the International Women Count
 Network in London as we come to the third Global Women's Strike in which
we
 shall all participate, with the theme Invest in caring not killing.
Women
 and children are the majority of those killed and wounded in armed
 conflicts, besides their hard work of life-giving, going through severe
 hardship, cleaning, nursing, building, walking miles for clean water. All
 of us who have joined the Global Women's Strike are here on earth as
living
 witnesses of thousands of people - women who suffer acts of violence and
 injustice caused by armed conflicts. We forced political and economic
 leaders to listen to us about military budgets, but we've failed to obtain
 even one satisfactory response to our demands. The demands stand
unchanged.

 It is up to us to continue acting with all anti-neo-liberal globalization
 and anti-sexist movements to force international financial institutions
 (World Bank  IMF) to radically change course and to make the UN assume
 veritable political leadership in the people's, particularly women's,
 interests. We must also find the means and the platform from which to
 continue our action to eliminate violence in the world. We have a lot on
 our plates.

 Members of Kaabong Women's group had a silence of prayers for all those
who
 died in the terrorists act in New York and Washington and for the Women
and
 Children who died in Afghanistan.

 Throughout history, women have crossed geographical, cultural and
 ideological borders in search of peace. We the women can find an end to
 this terrible act. Join us on the third Global Women's Strike so that we
 make it real: CARING NOT KILLING

 Yours in Power to the Sisters,

 Grace Loumo



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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN IDENTITY IDEA INSTIGATED BY DR.JOHN DEE

2002-01-03 Thread Mike Clark

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The major proponent of the Racist Christian Identity

Movement in the United States today has to be Pastor

Peter J. Peters of Denver Colorado.

This DOGMA promoted by the BRITISH EMPIRE first came

into being in 1571 during the Reign of Elizabeth the

First.  ( A Tudor Queen ).

The Royal Black Magician who conjured up this notion

was none other than the VERY FIRST 007 of MI-6.  The

mysterious Dr.John Dee.   Dr. Dee spent his whole life

figuring how to establish a BRITISH MARITIME EMPIRE and

then SUBJUGATE the people of the various colonies.  The

idea of the TEN LOST TRIBES of ISRAEL seemed the perfect

mode to keep the peoples of the colonies loyal to the

CROWN. ( Especially if they thought they were the

COVENANT PEOPLES ).

Pastor Peters even goes so far as to say that the very word

BRITISH in HEBREW means COVENANT-MAN.

Dr.JOHN DEE's original hypothesis ( which seems to have

worked ) is spelled out meticulously in FRANCIS A. YATES'S

  THE OCCULT PHILOSOPHY IN THE ELIZABETHAN AGE  copyright

1978 and published by ROUTLEDGE  KEGAN PAUL of LONDON and

BOSTON.

It was also the very educated Dr.JOHN DEE and SIR FRANCIS

WALSHINGHAM who first conjured up the image of the BRITISH

SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE in 1575.  Which they played

to the fullest extent before the landmark Naval Battle

of the Spanish Armada in 1588. ( Thus establishing Englands

Rule of the Seas which lasted up until 1945 ).


It was also on the Eve of the Battle of the Spanish Armada

that the REAL HEIR to the BRITISH THRONE was murdered in

the TOWER of LONDON.  ( MARY STUART )


MARY'S GREAT.G.G.G.G.G.GRANDSON  MICHAEL ALEXANDER STUART

is living in Scotland today.  PRINCE MICHAEL is PRESIDENT

of the EUROPEAN COUNCIL of PRINCES.  ( a 33 MEMBER ADVISORY

BOARD ) to the European Union.


PRINCE MICHAEL'S Close personal friend is SIR LAURENCE

GARDNER author of  GENESIS of the GRAIL KINGS  and

 REALM of the RING LORDS .   Two very insightful

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From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] CI (Christian Identity) vs. JI (Jewish Identity)


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, eric stewart wrote:

 --- Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Here is the full title of Edward Hine's best seller from the late
  1800's:
  Forty-Seven Identifications of the British Nation with the Ten
  Lost
  Tribes of Israel founded upon Five Hundred Scripture
  Proofs.

 i am disgusted already...scriptural proofs?

Religious dogmas do cloud the issues in the JI vs. CI debate which has
been going on for centuries. But for those who wish to take an impartial
and scholarly look at the right of return which is said to ensue from
IDENTITY (with the original Israelites) I go back to three categories of
argument. First there is biological-genetic-familial so let's just call
this (1) Biological. Then there are cultural-social-religious arguments so
let's call this (2) Cultural and finally, perhaps the most difficult of
all to turn into reasoned argument, there are arguments about
(3) Spirituality, eg God or G-d gave us this land.

I find merits and flaws in both JI and CI positions overall. I don't think
any amount of fact or truth or reason is going to convince the dogmatists
and there are many on both sides. I am sure that no amount of reasoned
debate is going to stop the dreadful blood feud in the Middle East. But
while we are waiting for the Apocalypse which some say will be the final
solution to the matter, those of us who value scholarly and reasoned
investigation can have a look at the overall model for debate based on the
three categories above.

POC

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Re: [CTRL] ENGLAND:TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL OR NORDIC ARYANS

2002-01-03 Thread Mike Clark

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Evidently ADOLF HITLER didnt subscribe to the TEN LOST TRIBES of ISRAEL

THEORY ( BRITISH ISRAEL ) because when the WAFFEN SS and WEHRMACHT

PANZER UNITS had the BRITISH bottled up at DUNKIRK in MAY 1940

he chose to call the DOGS OFF.


In fact the PANZER GENERALS pleaded with him.  MEIN FUEHRER why

dont you ALLOW us to DRIVE them into the sea.  HITLER REPLIED.

GENTLEMEN.  GENTLEMEN.   YOU'RE MISSING the WHOLE POINT.

WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF KILLING ARYANS.

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Re: [CTRL] United States has already seen a case of germ-warfare conducted on innocent civi

2002-01-03 Thread eric stewart

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the guy that arranged all of this had a vendetta against the
rajneesh commune...

he was an fbi informant...

the fbi spent 3 years assigning a team of 40 people to osho to look
for something on the guy...after 3 years they found an immigration
technicality and used 80 some batf agents to manacle him [at 80
years old] and drag him off to jail...after about a year of being
shipped between dozens of jails and with no charges being
filed...he died of poisoning of some heavy metal...

you tell me if he was one of the good guys

ever heard of the batf?

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[CTRL] Iraq deploying 'super-cannons'

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Iraq deploying 'super-cannons'
7 nations involved in invasion plans set for February

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American preparations for a major offensive against Iraq are massive and
continuous, set in place layer by layer -- but sources say a seven-nation
attack on Saddam Hussein is not likely before mid- to late-February.

Military sources disclose that over the coming weekend, U.S. fighter plane
and bomber squadrons will be flying into three air bases: Kuwait, Egypt’s
Sinai Desert and the Israeli Negev. Call-ups issued in early December have
mobilized 10,000 U.S. military personnel, air crews and Air Force
intelligence officers and technicians, who were ordered to report for duty
after New Year’s Day. Last month, the U.S. Third Army command, led by Lt.
Gen. Paul Mikolashek, transferred to Kuwait from its peacetime headquarters
in Fort McPherson.

When the attack comes, high on the coalition's agenda will be targeting
Iraq's newly discovered super-cannons, which now number three or four,
according to intelligence sources.

U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force might is being assembled in Israel. In the
central and southern regions, U.S. emergency stores of armor, artillery,
combat helicopters and military vehicles have been opened up. Equipment has
been readied for war, fitted with sensitive electronic communications systems
and loaded with ammunition. From early December, ships of the U.S. Sixth
Fleet have been entering the Israeli Mediterranean port of Haifa. They carry
large quantities of drugs to counter poison gas, chemical and biological
attacks, as well as protective equipment against nuclear radiation for
Israelis and for American personnel in Israel and the Sinai.

The Third Army, now on the move toward the Middle East, numbers nine
divisions, among them the 82nd Airborne, 101st Air Assault, 24th Infantry
(Mechanized), 1st Infantry (Mechanized), 1st Cavalry, 1st Armored and 3rd
Armored. By early February, 75,000 U.S. troops will be positioned on the
Iraqi front.

This high concentration of military personnel means that Washington’s concept
of the Iraqi campaign is quite different from its approach to the war in
Afghanistan, where few U.S. servicemen were deployed outside the Air Force.
The Iraqi theater will be broad and multinational, involving at least seven
countries -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and
Turkey. The ultimate line-up will be determined by political and military
developments in the region. But U.S. military planners are counting the
armies of three nations – Turkey, Israel and Jordan – as combatant alongside
U.S. forces.

Military sources sketch the following preliminary blueprint for the yet-to-be
finalized U.S. assault plan. It will come in the form of a simultaneous
three-prong offensive:

Target One: Iraq’s political power centers and military headquarters – most
of which have already been moved to safe underground quarters – will be hit
from the air by bombs and missiles.

Target Two: Turkish armor and infantry, backed by local Kurdish tribes, will
lead off the ground campaign in northern Iraq. Negotiations to co-opt the
local Kurds are still going on.

Target Three: U.S., Israeli and Jordanian elite infantry and Special Forces
will raid army concentrations and convoys and hit Iraqi warplanes and missile
batteries in their bases in an area stretching from central Iraq to the
north, including the Iraqi Western Desert. These essentially hit-and-run
forays will aim to destroy command centers, anti-aircraft systems, artillery
and tanks, without miring the troops in lengthy skirmishes.

This tactic was prompted by the latest intelligence reaching U.S. military
planners whereby Saddam Hussein was reported to be taking a leaf out of the
1991 Gulf War manual and the Afghanistan War guidelines, to institute a new
strategy. He has ordered the breakup of the large Republican Guard armored
divisions, formerly the backbone of Iraq’s main fighting force, into small
mobile units, capable of autonomous operation for long periods over broad
stretches of territory.

By this fragmentation of its military strength, Iraq hopes to:

1. Confound U.S., Israeli and Turkish air forces by compelling them to chase
fast, small, low-profile units that are hard to find, 

[CTRL] Ex-president of Iran backs nuking Israel

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Ex-president of Iran backs nuking Israel
Rafsanjani warns of WWIII:
'Leave nothing on the ground'

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Former Iranian president Ali Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, in a major speech,
has advocated the annihilation of the state of Israel with nuclear weapons.

If the Islamic world comes to possess nuclear weapons, he said in his World
Al-Quds Day sermon, attended by thousands of Islamic worshippers, their use
in attacking Israel would leave nothing on the ground in the Jewish state,
but would only damage Islam.

Here, collated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI, are the
core elements of Rafsanjani's speech, delivered at Tehran University on Dec.
14. The text below, rather than a single direct translation, is a composite
based on reports in three Iranian newspapers – Iran News (English), Kayhan
(Farsi) and Al-Wifaq (Arabic).

'Artificial' state of Israel

Global arrogance, led by the U.S. and U.K., is responsible for the crimes
that the artificial state of Israel has been committing worldwide over the
past half-century, said Rafsanjani, who currently holds the position of
Expediency Council chairman.

The U.N. and other segments of the arrogant world have been supporting
Israeli crimes, he said, and -- cautioning against what he called global
arrogance arms buildup [by the U.S.] in an attempt to revive the colonialist
era -- he asked nations and governments to prevent colonialism from attaining
its goals.

International Zionism, Rafsanjani added, has been the driving force of
this ugly phenomenon; Zionism is divisive; a century has passed since the
onset of Zionism, but not every Jew is a Zionist, and not all members of the
Zionist party are Jews.

He noted that the Zionist party is still highly active worldwide, and is the
driving force of important events taking place in the world in connection
with Israel. He called the disasters that have occurred in the
half-century-old state of Israel an encyclopedia of colonial crimes.
Palestinians are not the only ones to have suffered from the plan to
establish this forged Israeli state; he said, adding that the Jews too are
paying the price.

Rafsanjani claimed that the Jews had a place in various parts of the world,
living rather well in each country. But this phenomenon [Zionism] caused them
to take a stance regarding their religious state and leave their homes, under
pressure and in the name of migration [to Israel]. Jews should wait for a day
when this extraneous matter would be removed from the region and the world
of Islam, and those who have gathered together in Israel would one day be
dispersed again.

The formation of the Zionist state in the land of Palestine, said the former
Iranian leader, was a multi-faceted base for colonialism. By this means, the
West rid itself of Zionism, while establishing it in Palestine. Meanwhile,
the colonialists affiliated themselves with Zionism and the state of Israel
so as to keep them like a tool in their service, even though, for its own
survival, colonialism is itself dependent on Zionism.

With the formation of Israel, colonialists created insecurity in the region,
exposing states to threats so as to bring them under the dominion of
colonialism, said Rafsanjani. The survival of Israel depends on the interests
of global arrogance and colonialism, and as long as this base is beneficial
to them, they will preserve it.

Solving 'Israel problem' with nukes

Rafsanjani said that Muslims must surround colonialism and force them [the
colonialists] to see whether Israel is beneficial to them or not. If one day,
he said, the world of Islam comes to possess the weapons currently in
Israel's possession [meaning nuclear weapons] -- on that day this method of
global arrogance would come to a dead end. This, he said, is because the use
of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will
only damage the world of Islam.

Is unlikely that the Palestinian jihad will weaken, said Rafsanjani, who
explained that the Palestinians have come to the conclusion that talks [with
Israel] are effective only along with struggle and self-sacrifice – the two
key elements that gave way to the second Intifada. The Palestinian jihad is
the mother of many Islamic movements, he said, ranging from the [1979]
Islamic Revolution in Iran to Islamic movements in Lebanon, Afghanistan,
Malaysia, Central Asia, and many other Muslim states. All these Islamic
movements support the Palestinian jihad and have not forgotten it. The
Palestinian jihad has its roots in the homelessness of five million people.
Undoubtedly, [this jihad's] culmination will be the liberation of Palestine,
he said.

The threat of WWIII

Rafsanjani added that in its propaganda 

[CTRL] Saudis help Hamas with rocket project

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Saudis help Hamas with rocket project

By Amos Harel




Hamas operatives in Saudi Arabia have been sending money, instructions and
information to their colleagues in Gaza for their Kassam rocket-development
project, the Shin Bet security service has revealed. The information was
elicited from the liaison between the two groups who was recently arrested
and interrogated.

The Kassam, which was developed in order to provide a longer-range
alternative to mortar shells, was fired in Gaza for the first time three
months ago. Since then, Hamas has used it against Israeli settlements at
least 10 times. It carries a one-kilogram warhead and has a range of 1.5-3
kilometers.

However, Israel has learned that an improved version, with a range of up to
five kilometers, is already in the advanced stages of development. Fired from
the Gaza Strip, such a rocket could reach the southern suburbs of Ashkelon.

Defense sources said that Hamas was trying to develop a deterrent threat
against southern towns, similar to what Hezbollah achieved in the north with
the use of its Katyusha rockets.

The liaison with Saudi Arabia, Osama Zuhari Hamad Krika'a, is a 27-year-old
resident of Gaza City. He was arrested at the Rafah border crossing on
December 18, while en route to Saudi Arabia.

Krika'a told his interrogators that he had joined Hamas last August and had
been sent to Saudi Arabia for the first time in September. The cover for
his trip was a pilgrimage to Mecca. While there, he delivered messages to
local Hamas activists and was given money to bring back to Gaza.

In December, Krika'a was asked to go to Saudi Arabia again, using the cover
story of a medical problem that required special treatment. He was arrested,
however, by the Shin Bet, which found large quantities of information about
the Kassam project on his person.

Krika'a told his interrogators that once the rocket was operational,
instructions for making it would have been transferred to Hamas cells on the
West Bank, so that cities in central Israel could also be threatened. The
West Bank's arms industry is considered less sophisticated than that of
Gaza.

One of the Kassam's coordinators was Adnan al-Rul, who is also high on
Israel's wanted list. Al-Rul is considered an expert in preparing weapons,
including rockets, mortars and bombs. Another key figure is Nidal Frihat, who
recruited Krika'a. Shin Bet officials said that Israel had asked the
Palestinian Authority to arrest Frihat several times, but the PA had not done
so.

This is not the first time information and money has been smuggled to
terrorist groups in the territories from Arab states. Hamas has frequently
received assistance in upgrading its weapons from graduates of engineering
colleges in these states.




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[CTRL] U.S. plans bombings in Somalia

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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U.S. plans bombings in Somalia
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


 U.S. and allied military forces are stepping up aerial-reconnaissance
flights over Somalia in preparation for raids against al Qaeda terrorist
bases in the north African nation, according to U.S. intelligence officials.
 Intelligence reports also disclosed that some 100 al Qaeda terrorists
were identified recently in Somalia. The terrorists were spotted as part of
the Islamic rebel group there known as Al-Ittihad Al-Islam, said officials
who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
 The Mogadishu-based group, known as AIAI, is linked to Somali warlord
Hussein Mohammed Aideed and has close ties to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda
terrorist group in Afghanistan.
 Somalia will likely be next, said one defense official familiar with
defense planning.
 Meanwhile, at the Pentagon, Adm. John Stufflebeem, deputy director of
operations for the Joint Staff, said U.S. forces are on the hunt for ousted
Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, who is believed to be hiding in an area
northwest of Kandahar.
 U.S. and allied forces also continued to search for bin Laden, the
terrorist leader behind the September 11 attacks, whose last known location
was the mountains south of Jalalabad.
 The reconnaissance flights over Somalia include aerial surveillance by
U.S. EP-3, British Nimrod and French Atlantique aircraft, the officials said.
The number of flights increased sharply last week, they said.
 The aircraft are helping identify targets for future bombing raids, such
as terrorist training camps in the southern and northern parts of Somalia and
port facilities, the official said.
 U.S. intelligence reports over the last several months have stated that
weapons from terrorists in Afghanistan have been transported to Somalia on
the Horn of Africa.
 The head of U.S. special operations commandos yesterday said bin Laden
is not likely to be found alive in Tora Bora caves.
 I don't think he's up there. What we've brought up there [to search]
was pretty significant, Col. John Mulholland said at a Special Forces base
outside Afghanistan. I do think he's either dead, buried under some tonnage
of rock, or he's out of there.
 In Kandahar, Afghan officials said they are negotiating for the
surrender of Mullah Omar without fighting.
 We are still in contact with the people there to find a way to end this
issue peacefully, an official working for intelligence chief Haji Gulalai
told Reuters.
 Adm. Stufflebeem said the negotiations were not specifically directed at
Mullah Omar.
 But I think it's a leap of faith if we believe that that is on the
benefit or on the behalf of Mullah Omar himself, Adm. Stufflebeem said.
These are Taliban forces that are looking to negotiate themselves out of a
predicament with anti-Taliban forces.
 Mullah Omar used a lull in fighting around Kandahar last month,
ostensibly for negotiations with anti-Taliban forces, to escape the city that
had been surrounded.
 Mr. Gulalai is leading efforts to find Mullah Omar, who has been
pinpointed to a location near Baghran, about 100 miles northwest of Kandahar.
About 1,500 Taliban fighters are said to be protecting the militia leader.
 U.S. Special Forces troops are involved in a military operation to catch
Mullah Omar, according to news agency reports from Afghanistan. Marines also
are taking part.
 In Kabul, foreign military forces began arriving to participate in an
international peacekeeping force. Today marks the arrival of the
multinational [reconnaissance] party from all the troop-contributing nations
that intend to place forces into the International Security Assistance
Force, British Col. Richard Barrons said.
 Meanwhile, U.S. defense and intelligence officials said the military
believes that a bombing raid last week killed Taliban intelligence chief Qari
Ahmadullah.
 Marines in southern Afghanistan searched a former Taliban and al Qaeda
compound in the region Tuesday, the U.S. Central Command said.
 The intelligence-gathering mission with some 200 Marines was one of
several operations during the past several weeks, according to Maj. Brad
Lowell, a spokesman for the command in Tampa, Fla.
 Victoria Clarke, the Pentagon's chief spokeswoman, said the United
States expects the anti-Taliban forces to turn over Mullah Omar if he is
captured.
 It's been made very clear that we expect to have control of him, she
said. We've made it very, very clear consistently what we expect the
disposition of these people should be, particularly the leadership.
 In a related development, 11 more al Qaeda prisoners were turned over to
the United States and taken to a detention center on a U.S. base near
Kandahar, the Pentagon said. The additional prisoners bring the total number

[CTRL] India says Kashmir rebels threaten to blow up Taj Mahal

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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India says Kashmir rebels threaten to blow up Taj Mahal


Security around the 17th century marble monument had been tightened following
an e-mail threat from the Lashkar-e-Taiba, a senior government official in
the northern state of Uttar Pradesh where the Taj is located told Reuters.




They have threatened to blow up the Taj Mahal, some other monuments and
important government buildings in Lucknow, the official, who did not want to
be identified, said.





Lucknow is the capital of Uttar Pradesh.




We have enhanced security in and around the Taj Mahal which was mentioned
among Lashkar-e-Taiba's main targets in the e-mail sent to the chief
minister, the official said.



The Taj Mahal, India's monument to love in the northern city of Agra, is a
huge draw for tourists from across the world.



India has blamed the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad
groups for the December 13 attack on its parliament in which 14 people,
including five attackers, died. Both groups have denied involvement in the
attacks.



The official said Lashkar had also threatened to blow up a makeshift temple
built at a disputed site in the ancient Indian town of Ayodhya where a 16th
century mosque once stood.



Hindu zealots tore down the Babri mosque in December 1992, triggering
widespread religious riots in which some 3,000 people were killed. The site
is sacred to both Hindus and Muslims.



Security had already been tightened in and around the Ayodhya temple after a
group of Hindu hardliners barged into the heavily-guarded complex in October.




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[CTRL] U.S. has small window of opportunity to prevent ultimate attack

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January's edition of Whistleblower, WorldNetDaily's popular monthly print
magazine, is a groundbreaking and shocking look at America's homeland
security – or lack of it.

As the government re-examines its scandalously loose immigration policy,
increases its surveillance powers over its citizens, focuses on protecting
the nation's nuclear and conventional power plants, investigates new ways to
deal with possible bioweapon disease outbreaks and literally dozens of other
key areas of concern since 9-11, there is one area – one threat that eclipses
all others – that is being all but ignored.

On Sept. 11, our nation's enemies attacked us using hijacked airliners,
writes Brian T. Kennedy in the January issue. Next time, the vehicles of
death and destruction might well be ballistic missiles armed with nuclear,
chemical, or biological warheads. And let us be clear: The United States is
defenseless against this mortal danger.




Titled AMERICA DEFENSELESS, January's Whistleblower documents the
disturbing story of how the U.S. government abandoned its former program of
national defense of American citizens, and why both missile defenses and a
comprehensive civil defense shelter system are needed now more than ever
before.

Here's the problem, states WND and Whistleblower Editor Joseph Farah. Our
country is defenseless against the kinds of attacks we witnessed Sept. 11.
But it is also defenseless against attacks that could prove to be far more
lethal and far more devastating.

How can America spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on defense, and
still remain defenseless?

The answer, as we show in vivid detail in the January issue of
Whistleblower, says Farah, is that we as a nation have forgotten the
meaning of defense.

For example: President Bush clearly believes America needs a missile-defense
system to protect civilians from intercontinental ballistic missiles launched
by hostile foreign powers or terrorist organizations, which is why he
recently took the historic step of announcing his intention of breaking with
the ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missile) Treaty that outlaws missile defenses.

But all manner of experts also agree that missile defenses – even if and when
America has them -- will never be 100 percent effective at stopping all
deadly missiles. And they would be totally ineffective, of course, against
the threat of terrorists detonating weapons of mass destruction here on our
homeland. Therefore, as the January Whistleblower shows, the only true
defense against that last eventuality, and the one vital missing component in
any plan for missile defense, is a comprehensive civil defense system -- such
as Russia, China, Switzerland and other countries already possess.

The truth is: 1) There are currently thousands of nuclear weapons in the
world; 2) They are coveted by dictators, jihad madmen and would-be
superpowers; and 3) They are constantly under development (or their
acquisition is being negotiated) by unstable regimes run by megalomaniacal
leaders.

If Americans are going to face the fact that evil people are striving
mightily to obtain, and use on this country, the most devastating weapons
possible -- and after Sept. 11, who could doubt their willingness to do so –
we must also understand that their favorite, and ultimate, weapon is the
nuclear bomb. Nothing else will do.

The desire for nuclear weapons is irresistible to the Saddam Husseins and
Osama bin Ladens of the world. They won't rest until they have them, and
there are plenty of suppliers willing to accommodate that desire.

In this explosive issue of Whistleblower, WND's editors and contributors take
the position that if America is going to prepare to fight the last war –
hijackings, anthrax spores – it better also prepare to fight and win the next
war.

Actually, the government believes in, and has prepared for, civil defense –
but only for itself. Whistleblower magazine shows – through an interview with
the nation's top whistleblower in the civil defense field – how the
government is protecting itself against attacks with its own shelter system
to protect government officials. But it is leaving you, the taxpayer,
completely defenseless.




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[CTRL] Pentagon Doubts Omar Will Surrender, al Qaeda regrouping in Afghanistan

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Pentagon Doubts Omar Will Surrender
Photos

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  Marines Return to Kandahar After Mission (AP)

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By LOURDES NAVARRO, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan (news - web sites) (AP) - American bombs killed the
Taliban's intelligence chief, the new Afghan government confirmed Wednesday,
and a tribal commander reported that negotiations were under way for the
surrender of the ousted Taliban supreme leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar.

In Washington, Pentagon (news - web sites) officials said they doubted Omar
was seeking to surrender. Some 1,000 to 1,500 Taliban fighters holding out
near Baghran are trying to ``negotiate themselves out of a predicament,''
spokesman Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem told reporters. ``But I think it's a
leap of faith if we believe that that is on the behalf of Mullah Omar
himself.''

The United States had identified the intelligence chief, Qari Ahmadullah, as
one of the Taliban leaders it was hunting. He was believed to be the
highest-ranking Taliban official killed in the American-led campaign in
Afghanistan.

Ahmadullah, 40, was killed by U.S. bombings of Naka, in Paktia province, said
Abdullah Tawheedi, a deputy intelligence minister for the interim government
in Kabul. He was among 25 people killed in Naka on Dec. 27, when U.S. planes
attacked a house where he was staying, the Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic
Press reported.

According to Raz Mohammed Khan Lunai, Tawheedi's representative in
neighboring Ghazni province, Ahmadullah was hit by airstrikes while trying to
flee on a motorcycle. Lunai said he witnessed Ahmadullah's Dec. 31 burial in
a remote and sparsely populated area of Ghazni.

In southern Afghanistan, a commander said military leaders have been
negotiating with tribal elders from the Baghran region believed to be
sheltering Mullah Omar.

Jamal Khan, a commander for Haji Gulalai, intelligence chief in the southern
city of Kandahar, told The Associated Press that negotiations have been held
since Monday for the surrender of Omar, the second-most wanted man on the
U.S. list of terrorist fugitives after Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).
Bin Laden is the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Also Wednesday, the U.S. commander of the Joint Special Operations Task Force
said bin Laden isn't likely to be found in the caves in the Tora Bora area of
eastern Afghanistan.

``I don't think he's up there,'' Col. John Mulholland told reporters at a
U.S. special forces forward operating base outside Afghanistan. ``I do think
he's either dead, buried under some tonnage of rock or he's out of there.''

Other U.S. commanders said American military teams are still searching the
Tora Bora caves for anything that might help dismantle bin Laden's al-Qaida
network or locate bin Laden.

Other anti-Taliban officials in Kandahar, who spoke only on condition of
anonymity, told AP the tribal leaders had been given ``a clear message'' to
turn over Omar or face airstrikes from U.S.-led forces. For the past few
days, U.S. planes have dropped leaflets warning villagers not to shelter
Taliban or al-Qaida members, residents said.

Omar has been in hiding since the fall of Kandahar, the last main Taliban
stronghold, a month ago.

Baghran, a mountainous region north of the U.S. Marine base at Kandahar
airport, is in the same general area where Marines and anti-Taliban soldiers
launched a major military operation. Marines in full combat gear were
dispatched in convoys and helicopters from the Kandahar base late Monday.

Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah, who uses only one name, said his government
did not know where Omar was.

``I think Mullah Omar is still hiding somewhere in Afghanistan. His
whereabouts is not known neither to us nor to the coalition, I gather,'' he
told ABC-TV's ``Good Morning America. ``But sooner or later he will be
captured.''

In other developments:

-A coalition of groups began a three-month, $8 million immunization program
to vaccinate 9 million Afghan children against measles. The program is being
carried out by the Ministry of Public Health, the U.N. Children's Fund, the
World Health Organization (news - web sites) and other non-governmental
organizations.

-The U.S. Central Command confirmed that Marines searched a former Taliban
and al-Qaida compound in southern Afghanistan's Helmand province on Tuesday.

-Six major Islamic parties in Pakistan - including three pro-Taliban groups
that organized protests against the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan - announced
a new alliance aimed at winning more political offices.

-The State Department said more than 115,000 tons of food, most of it from
the United 

[CTRL] hina and the Story Behind the Attack on America

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Seeds of Fire -
China and the Story Behind the Attack on America

Paperback - 600 pages
On the eve of the first war in the 21st Century, one perplexing question
remains: the role of China. The answer comes in what will be seen as one of
the most important books of all time. It explains how China will use the
crisis to launch itself as a new Super-Power - and become America's new major
enemy.

China by 2015 will have deployed tens to several tens of missiles with
nuclear warheads targeted against the United States, mostly more-survivable
land and sea mobile missiles. It will also have hundreds of shorter-range
ballistic and cruise missiles for use in regional conflicts. Some of these
shorter-range missiles will have nuclear warheads; most will be armed with
conventional warheads.

That prediction is from a CIA briefing paper to the Bush Administration. It
is one of almost 100 pages of never-before published official documents in
Seeds of Fire: China and the Story Behind the Attack on America, by Gordon
Thomas. No one can afford to ignore this book!




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[CTRL] China uses computers from U.S. illegally; Nuclear facility simulates blasts

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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China uses computers from U.S. illegally; Nuclear facility simulates blasts
June 27, 2000 THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Bill Gertz

China's main nuclear weapons center is using U.S. supercomputers illegally to
simulate warhead detonations without actual underground tests, The Washington
Times has learned.

U.S.-origin high-performance computers are being used at the Chinese Academy
of Engineering Physics, the main nuclear weapons facility in Beijing. The
facility is viewed by officials as China's version of Los Alamos National
Laboratory, according to Clinton administration intelligence officials.

The use of U.S. supercomputers - with computational speeds of billions of
operations per second or faster - at the nuclear facility was outlined in a
report classified top-secret and circulated among senior U.S. national
security officials last month, said the officials who have seen it. They
discussed some elements of the report on the condition of anonymity.
Disclosure of the use of U.S. computers to help develop China's nuclear arms
comes as the Clinton administration and Congress are considering new measures
to loosen exports of American-made high-performance computers.

An amendment to the current defense authorization bill President Clinton
signed in February further relaxed export rules on advanced computers,
allowing U.S. manufacturers to begin selling faster systems on Aug. 15.

Officials did not identify the U.S. manufacturers of the systems or how they
were obtained.

Supercomputer sales have been restricted because they are crucial elements
for designing and developing nuclear weapons, missiles and advanced
conventional arms, according to defense officials.

Additionally, the U.S. intelligence community reported last month that China
is expanding a nuclear research facility at Mianyang. The so-called Science
City there is working on both nuclear weapons and civilian energy research,
the intelligence officials said.

The reported supercomputer use at the nuclear facility is the third time
China's government has been detected diverting U.S.-origin computers to
defense facilities.

In 1997, China agreed to return a Silicon Graphics supercomputer that was
illegally diverted through a Hong Kong front company to a Chinese defense
facility.

A White House National Security Council spokesman declined to comment, citing
a policy of not talking about intelligence matters.

A U.S. intelligence official who was not familiar with the report said that
it has been difficult for U.S. intelligence agencies to learn whether China
is using complete U.S. advanced computers, or whether they are using a
combination of U.S. components and homemade systems.

According to Clinton administration officials, the president hopes to
dramatically ease export control on high-powered computers.

An amendment to the current defense authorization bill sponsored by Sen.
Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, would make it easier for the president to change
the export rules by reducing a congressional notification period from 180
days to 30 days.

The argument of some officials who support the changes is that the systems
are so widely available that controlling them is futile.

Other officials who oppose the decontrol note that the United States produced
the best and fastest supercomputers and that they should not be exported to
countries that could use them against the United States, like China.

A Senate national security aide said the administration failed completely
to win Chinese government cooperation in checking on the end use of U.S.
computers sold during the 1990s.

That's why the Chinese know that they can use these computers with
impunity, the aide said, noting that the relaxation of controls has been a
disaster for U.S. national security.

Stephen Bryen, a Pentagon export-control official during the Reagan
administration, said he predicted in the early 1990s that U.S. supercomputers
would be used by China for developing advanced nuclear weapons.

That's been the great worry about transfers of supercomputers, he said.
That they would be able to design a new generation of smaller warheads that
can fit on smaller missiles or which can be MIRVed - multiple, independently
targetable re-entry vehicles, or multiple warheads.

Mr. Bryen said in an interview that the United States was able to radically
reduce the number of actual underground nuclear tests needed for developing
new warheads, from several hundred to about five.

This is not good news for us because the Chinese can do a lot of this
covertly, he said. It will be hard for us to know their capabilities, and
we will have a difficult time understanding the threat.

The report by the special House committee that investigated Chinese spying
and technology acquisition stated that there is limited information on
China's use of U.S. supercomputers. However, the report said that 

[CTRL] Bush Eases Computer Exports

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Bush sounding more like Clinton every day!  No wonder he protected him!  They
are all on one side!  The NWO side!  -  Bill

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Bush Eases Computer Exports
WASHINGTON (AP) - The nation's most popular and powerful computer technology
will be available to Russia, China, India and Pakistan because of a Bush
administration decision to relax Cold War-era restrictions.

The move, sought for months by the technology industry, was made official by
President Bush on Wednesday. From his ranch in Crawford, Texas, he notified
congressional leaders that he was raising the threshold for government
approval of computer exports to Tier 3 nations, a category that also
includes Israel.

Since 1990, the export controls have been relaxed almost yearly to keep pace
with advances in technology.

Under the relaxed export standards, individual licenses and prior government
review will be required only for the export of computers that perform more
than 190,000 MTOPS, or millions of theoretical operations per second.

High-end computers available at some retail computer stores as well as the
Internet can provide that level of general processing power.

The current threshold is 85,000 MTOPS, a performance standard that has become
commonly available for years.

These reforms are needed due to the rapid rate of technological change in
the computer industry, White House Deputy Press Secretary Scott McClellan
said. Single microprocessors available today - by mail order and the
Internet - perform at more than 25 times the speed of supercomputers built in
the early 1990s.

Several major technology companies supported Bush's decision.

The decision allows export controls to keep pace with rapid advancements in
computing technology, said Jennifer Greeson, a spokeswoman for the Computer
Coalition for Responsible Exports. She represents companies that include
Dell, IBM, Intel, Unisys, Apple and Sun Microsystems.

Intel's upcoming Itanium microprocessor can be exported because of the rule
change. Several Apple and Dell laptop computers will also qualify for
exportation.

But the computer industry wants more change.

Greeson's group has long argued that the government's unit for measuring
computer processing power - the MTOP - is a poor way to judge whether
technology is safe to export. They feel it is too general and doesn't reflect
a computer's purpose.

Some of the computers excluded in the past have had no potential to be used
for modeling nuclear explosions or missile guidance systems, Greeson said.
They have not posed any kind of security risk.

The United States maintains its virtual embargo on computer exports to Iraq,
Iran, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan and Syria.

Bush's revised export rules implement the general policies of the Export
Administration Act, legislation controlling commercial exports that could be
put to military use. The act expired in 1990 and has since been kept alive
through temporary extensions.

By his action Wednesday, Bush also removed Latvia from the list of Tier 3
countries and reclassified it as Tier 1, putting Latvia in league with
Western European and other U.S. allies whose computer imports from the United
States require no prior government review.

Both the House and the Senate have passed separate bills to end Cold War
restrictions on exports of computers and other high-tech items. The
differences between them are yet to be resolved, something that must be done
before Congress can send the legislation to Bush for his signature.

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[CTRL] India vows to use all military might

2002-01-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Thursday January 3, 1:04 AM

India vows to use all military might
By Penny MacRae and Robert Birsel


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NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Nuclear-armed India has said it is prepared
to use its full military might to defend itself amid threats by
Pakistan-based Islamic guerrilla groups to mount further attacks on the
country.


Nuclear rivals Pakistan and India have come to the brink of war following an
assault last month on India's parliament which New Delhi blamed on
Pakistan-based Kashmiri separatists.


Whatever weapon is available, we will use it to defend ourselves, Prime
Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee said in his constituency of Lucknow in the
northern state of Uttar Pradesh.


And if because of that weapon the attacker is defeated...if he is killed, we
should not be held responsible, said Vajpayee, who analysts say is under
pressure to appear tough ahead of state elections in the politically crucial
state of Uttar Pradesh.


India carried out nuclear tests in 1998 which were followed by tit-for-tat
blasts by Pakistan. It has adopted a no first use policy for its nuclear
weapons, saying they would only be used in retaliation. But Pakistan, whose
conventional forces are far inferior, has not adopted a similar policy.


Following the parliament attack in which 14 people died, India demanded that
Pakistan crack down on Muslim militants operating from its soil against India
and said all options were open including war unless Islamabad acted.


Earlier the country's Defence Minister George Fernandes told Reuters that
Indian forces had completed their biggest-ever buildup but were not in
battle positions.


He held out hope that diplomacy could still avert a war with Pakistan.
Efforts are being made to defuse the situation through diplomatic
intervention, he said.


URGING RESTRAINT


All political parties in India are urging the government to use diplomacy as
the first choice.


But Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad, accused of the
parliament attack, threatened fresh violence.


Security was tightened at India's famed Taj Mahal monument after Indian
officials they said they had received an e-mail from Lashkar-e-Taiba
threatening to blow up the landmark to love.


And Jaish-e-Mohammad said in a statement published in newspapers in the
revolt-racked Kashmir region that they would carry out new attacks on Indian
security forces.


We are in possession of more deadly and sophisticated weapons and they will
be fully used against the military and paramilitary forces of India in the
coming days, the group said.


Hours later a grenade exploded in Srinagar, Kashmir's main city, wounding 20
people including five policemen, police said. Elsewhere, in a space of 24
hours, 18 people were killed across strife-torn Kashmir, India's only
Muslim-majority state.


The border remained tense as Indian police said four Pakistani soldiers were
killed when Indian and Pakistani troops fired mortars and heavy machineguns
across the frontier.


Pakistan has so far rounded up around 100 activists in response to India's
demands to arrest militants, according to officials of the Jaish-e-Mohammad
and Lashkar-e-Taiba.


India has called the arrests a step in the right direction.


But Jaish-e-Mohammad said it would seek to escape the net by shifting its
offices into the Indian-controlled part of the Kashmir which covers
two-thirds of the disputed region.


Amid mounting international alarm about the spectre of war, U.S. President
George W. Bush has weighed in with calls for restraint by both parties,
telephoning Vajpayee and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf urging talks.


British Prime Minister Tony Blair was due to arrive in the subcontinent later
this week but his government played down talk he might act as a peace broker.


NO BLAIR PEACE PLAN


There is no Blair peace plan that the prime minister could or should take
out of his pocket, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in London.


Independent political analyst Prem Shankar Jha said it could take just one
more big guerrilla attack in India to prompt New Delhi to order its army into
action. Several defence experts have said a conflict could end in the world's
first nuclear exchange.


An Indian official said Blair would meet Vajpayee on Sunday and travel to
Pakistan on Monday for talks with Musharraf.


Despite the crisis, both leaders plan to attend the Kathmandu summit of the
seven-member South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation which begins on
Friday.


Plans for a meeting of the two men on the fringes of the summit have been
scrapped since the crisis erupted.


India's Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Abdul
Sattar shook hands with smiling faces in Kathmandu at a pre-summit meeting,
a conference spokesman said.


But it was not clear whether this represented a 

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Re: [CTRL] The Mosque to Commerce

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 Bin Laden's special complaint with the World Trade Center.
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 We all know the basic reasons why Osama Bin Laden chose to attack
 the World Trade Center, out of all the buildings in New York.

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