Re: [CTRL] People's Commission/Organizing Meetings in NY SF
-Caveat Lector- my apologies to the list and to kris; my last message was not meant to be sent to the list. -brian A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: F.B.I. Director Rejects Agency for Intelligence in United States
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good for Mueller! Wonder how long it will be before he is suicided? [EMAIL PROTECTED] F.B.I. Director Rejects Agency for Intelligence in United States December 20, 2002 By DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - Director Robert S. Mueller III of the F.B.I. rejected the idea of a new domestic intelligence agency today, for the first time expressing explicit opposition to the proposal by lawmakers and others who have said the bureau should be stripped of its primary role in countering terrorism in the United States. Mr. Mueller said in a speech to a criminal research group in New York that a new domestic intelligence agency would be a step backward in the war on terror and that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was uniquely situated for the counterterrorism mission. Mr. Mueller's defense of the F.B.I.'s authority was his most explicit statement on the subject and followed Congressional critics who have complained that the bureau failed to interpret warning signs that might have led authorities to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks. Some lawmakers have said a new agency should take over the bureau's intelligence gathering role, which would be turned over to the Department of Homeland Security. The joint House and Senate intelligence inquiry into lapses by the F.B.I. and C.I.A. before the attacks concluded this month that a cabinet level officer should oversee intelligence throughout the government, but the panel did not recommend a new intelligence agency. Last month, an advisory group led by James S. Gilmore III, a former governor of Virginia, said a new agency should take over intelligence gathering. The Bush administration has said it has no plans to recommend a new agency, but senior officials have considered the proposal, and the discussion continues to circulate in intelligence circles among officials who fear that the F.B.I. cannot collect intelligence about possible attacks while investigating terrorism. Mr. Mueller said the bureau had taken steps to improve intelligence analysis and had fixed problems that had hampered information sharing. This crumbling of pre 9/11 walls brings us to the issue of whether America should create a new domestic intelligence agency similar to the British MI-5, Mr. Mueller said. This idea is based on a faulty understanding of counterterrorism that sees a dichotomy between `intelligence operations' and `law enforcement operations.' This misunderstanding of counterterrorism has led some to conclude that we should separate these two functions and create a new domestic intelligence agency. But, Mr. Mueller said: Building new walls is going in the wrong direction. There is no reason to separate the two functions. Mr. Mueller spoke on a day when European justice ministers agreed to allow the European Union's law enforcement agency, Europol, to share information with the F.B.I. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/20/politics/20BURE.html?ex=1041382543ei=1en=e76840c3955b4a10 HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: White House Identifies Regulations That May Change
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still trying to figure out what any of these regulations have to do with defending our borders or keeping our interstate infrastructure going. [EMAIL PROTECTED] White House Identifies Regulations That May Change December 20, 2002 By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - The Bush administration released a list of more than 300 federal regulations today that it may modify or rescind in the coming year at the request of industries and consumer groups. The proposed changes in a wide swath of regulations - covering issues from the environment to public health and labor - were solicited by the administration and proposed by 1,700 groups or individuals. Businesses portrayed the effort as a useful way to avoid expensive requirements that may have little practical value, while environmental groups portrayed it as a way for industries and Republican donors to rewrite regulations to suit themselves. Among the proposed changes are the following: ¶The Competitive Enterprise Institute, which promotes free enterprise and limited government, proposed that the Environmental Protection Agency reconsider a rule that would ban the public from using pressure-treated wood that contains arsenic. The institute said retooling a plant that makes such wood could cost as much as $200,000. ¶The Heritage Foundation, a conservative research group, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute proposed that wine labels be allowed to include the health benefits of alcohol. They said moderate consumption of alcohol reduces the risk of heart attacks by 30 to 54 percent. ¶The Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association proposed that the Federal Communications Commission let cellphone users keep their same telephone number when changing providers. ¶An individual proposed that the Internal Revenue Service change a rule that allows tax breaks for people who use home offices exclusively for work, contending that this discriminates against people with disabilities or poor people who work at home but use their work space to prepare food. ¶The consumer advocacy group Public Citizen proposed that the Transportation Department and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration regulate the manufacture and proliferation of in-vehicle displays that can distract drivers, including Global Positioning Systems, in-vehicle fax machines, television sets and computer monitors. ¶The Boeing Company proposed that the Federal Aviation Administration lower the minimum amount of fresh air required in airplane cabins, saying the current minimum is unattainable and does not increase safety. ¶The American Farm Bureau Federation proposed that the Fish and Wildlife Service remove from the endangered species list grizzly bears in Yellowstone National Park, gray wolves in the Great Lakes region and bald eagles, saying that they have met their recovery goals. John Graham, administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs of the Office of Management and Budget, said that the Bush administration wanted to ease the burdens on small business, streamline the regulatory process and evaluate the costs and benefits of proposals. President Bush solicited the ideas in March, saying, I want to make sure people understand that we're going to do everything we can to clean up the regulatory burdens on small business. If there are nettlesome regulations which are costly for you to operate your business that you don't think make any sense, I urge you to get on the Internet and wire the O.M.B. your problem so we can analyze it, Mr. Bush said. This is the second year the Bush administration has requested proposals for changes in regulations, though the response has grown sharply. Last year, the White House said it received 71 proposals; this year, it received 316. The administration took action on several of last year's proposals, including lowering the energy-efficiency standards on air conditioners and halting the ban on snowmobiles in Yellowstone. Mr. Graham said today that the Office of Management and Budget was neutral on the measures it received and was simply passing them on to the proper agencies for evaluation. The agencies have until Feb. 28 to conduct cost-benefit analyses and give the White House a status report. This is a great opportunity for smarter regulation, Mr. Graham said. Environmental groups said the process was not so innocuous, complaining that it was an open invitation to industries to weaken rules safeguard the public health and environment. Wesley Warren, a regulatory expert at the Natural Resources Defense Council, called the procedure a way for the administration to twist the regulatory process into a knot, and said the report released today was a wish list for industry that would result in a hit list for the administration. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut and a likely presidential candidate,
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- Any holiday is exactly what its celebrants want it to be. The history of how celebrations evolved is intellectually interesting, but custom and ritual serve an entirely different purpose. I also disagree with those who whine that kids going trick or treating on Halloween are engaging in a Satanic practice. No, they are not not - it's just kids having fun dressing up in costumes and getting a lot of goodies. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://signaturehealthsystems.myarbonne.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cameras to monitor protesters
-Caveat Lector- December 20, 2002 Cameras to monitor protesters By Brian DeBose THE WASHINGTON TIMES The Metropolitan Police Department will activate surveillance cameras next month along city streets for the first time since city officials passed new legislation. Department officials made the announcement yesterday on their Web site, stating they would activate the network of 14 cameras and install more to monitor the International Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, or ANSWER, march from Jan. 17 to 19 and the D.C. March for Life on Jan. 22. ANSWER officials did not return calls. Organizations participating in the pro-life march, which has taken place in the District for 30 years, said they were not aware of surveillance plans until they were contacted by The Washington Times. Though they did not oppose the heightened security, they questioned the necessity. My first reaction is, what possible threat does this event pose that would call for this type of surveillance? said Dennis Di Mauro, president of Lutherans for Life in Northern Virginia. The Rev. James I. Lamb, executive director for the group's national chapter, also questioned why police would target the march. He said he has seen no violence or problems in the six years he has been involved with the event. There isn't any history that would lead to a suspicion of violence or trouble of any kind, he said. But if they want to look at us, let the cameras roll. Kevin Morison, D.C. police spokesman, said the department also will activate additional temporary cameras for the demonstration at Farragut Square, Dupont Circle, Malcolm X Park in Northwest and the Marine Barracks in Southeast. He said the department has no history of problems with either group but that event security has changed as terrorism has become more of a threat. Our approach is we will activate the surveillance system during any major event that will attract a large number of people to the District, Mr. Morison said. In this post-September 11 environment, we need to be cognizant of the fact that terrorists could use these events as a target or cover to attack other areas. Plans to install more cameras along the march routes on Independence Avenue SW and three other streets in Southeast have not yet been approved. The surveillance plan is based on the parade permit applications that were filed with the department. Mr. Morison said the temporary cameras will be dismantled after the events. He also said the surveillance cameras will not target individuals. At least one D.C. Council member, Jim Graham, said he was concerned about the cameras. I am opposed to this type of surveillance because I am deathly concerned about the chilling impact on constitutionally protected expressions of freedom of speech, said Mr. Graham, the Democratic representative from Ward 1. He also said the camera surveillance will most assuredly discourage nonviolent protests, marches and other events from taking place in the city. Council members passed regulations in November allowing the cameras in public places on a limited basis, but the measure did not pass without some indecision and rancor. The council initially opposed the legislation in a 7-6 vote, then voted 7-6 in favor of the measure. The regulations allow cameras to be used only for special events such as scheduled rallies, protests and marches. And they can be used only in public places where there is no expectation of privacy. Mr. Graham, who voted against the measure both times, said he opposed the legislation specifically because of this type of surveillance, though he supports using cameras in high-crime areas. The cameras have a positive effect of dispersing entrenched criminal activity, and they deter crime, he said. The Rev. Frank Pavone, founder and director of Priests for Life, one of the organizations in the march, said he supports anything to improve security as long as protesters maintain their freedom of speech. This country is in a different place now, he said. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus With advances in technology and ever-increasing government surveillance, the situation has worsened since Orwell's imaginings of the future. ~~John Whitehead, the Rutherford Institute, November 4, 2002 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read.
[CTRL] Bush to propose requiring ISPs to monitor Net
-Caveat Lector- http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4779109.htm Posted on Thu, Dec. 19, 2002 Bush to propose requiring ISPs to monitor Net By John Markoff and John Schwartz New York Times The Bush administration is planning to propose requiring Internet service providers to help build a centralized system to enable broad monitoring of the Internet and, potentially, surveillance of its users. The proposal is part of a final version of a report, ``The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace,'' set for release early next year, according to several people who have been briefed on the report. It is a component of the effort to increase national security after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The president's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is preparing the report, and it is intended to create public and private cooperation to regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only from everyday hazards such as viruses but also from terrorist attack. Ultimately, the report is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new Department of Homeland Security. Such a proposal, which would be subject to congressional and regulatory approval, would be a technical challenge because the Internet has thousands of independent service providers, from garage operations to giant corporations such as America Online, ATT, Microsoft and WorldCom. The report does not detail specific operational requirements, locations for the centralized system or costs, people who were briefed on the document said. While the proposal is meant to gauge the overall state of the worldwide network, some officials of Internet companies who have been briefed on the proposal say they worry that such a system could be used to cross the indistinct border between broad monitoring and wiretap. Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who represents some of the nation's largest ISPs, said, ``Internet service providers are concerned about the privacy implications of this as well as liability,'' since providing access to live feeds of network activity could be interpreted as a wiretap or as the ``pen register'' and ``trap and trace'' systems used on phones without a judicial order. Baker said the issue would need to be resolved before the proposal could move forward. Tiffany Olson, the deputy chief of staff for the president's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board, said Thursday that the proposal, which includes a national network operations center, was still in flux. She said the proposed methods do not necessarily require gathering data that would allow monitoring at an individual user level. But the need for a large-scale operations center is real, Olson said, because Internet service providers and security companies and other online companies only have a view of the part of the Internet that is under their control. ``We don't have anybody that is able to look at the entire picture,'' she said. ``When something is happening, we don't know it's happening until it's too late.'' The government report was first released in draft form in September, and described the monitoring center, but it suggested it would likely be controlled by industry. The current draft sets the stage for the government to have a leadership role. The new proposal is labeled in the report as an ``early-warning center'' that the board says is required to offer early detection of Internet-based attacks as well as defense against viruses and worms. But Internet service providers argue that its data-monitoring functions could be used to track the activities of individuals using the network. An official with a major data services company who has been briefed on several aspects of the government's plans said it was hard to see how such capabilities could be provided to government without the potential for real-time monitoring, even of individuals. ``Part of monitoring the Internet and doing real-time analysis is to be able to track incidents while they are occurring,'' the official said. The official compared the system to Carnivore, the Internet wiretap system used by the FBI, saying: ``Am I analogizing this to Carnivore? Absolutely. But in fact, it's 10 times worse. Carnivore was working on much smaller feeds and could not scale. This is looking at the whole Internet.'' -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensible condition, of nearly every other form of freedom. ~~Benjamin Cardozo A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Wayne Owens, 65, Ex-Congressman and Advocate of Peace, Is Dead
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something stinks in this article, I can't quite pin it down. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wayne Owens, 65, Ex-Congressman and Advocate of Peace, Is Dead December 20, 2002 By TINA KELLEY Wayne Owens, a former congressman from Utah who promoted peace in the Mideast, was found dead on Wednesday in Tel Aviv, the State Department said. He was 65 and lived in Salt Lake City. He apparently had a heart attack, a spokeswoman for the department, Anne Marks, said. Mr. Owens, a Democrat, was leading a Congressional fact-finding mission when he died, said Representative Lois Capps, Democrat of California. As the founder of the Center for Middle East Peace, Wayne was a rare Middle East expert with credibility in the American Jewish and Arab-American communities, Ms. Capps said in a statement. Mr. Owens was elected to Congress in 1972 and was a member of the Judiciary Committee that voted to recommend the impeachment of President Richard M. Nixon. He ran for the Senate in 1974, losing to Jake Garn, and for governor of Utah in 1984, a race that Norman H. Bangerter won. Mr. Owens returned to the House in 1987, remaining until 1992, when he ran for the Senate again but lost to Robert F. Bennett. In his last term in Congress, Mr. Owens was one of 45 Democrats to sue President George Bush to prevent him from taking offensive action in the Persian Gulf without obtaining a Congressional declaration of war or other explicit authority from the Congress. Mr. Owens introduced a bill to reintroduce wolves to Yellowstone National Park and arranged a hearing about the effects of nuclear testing on nearby residents. In 1998, he appeared before the House Judiciary Committee, arguing against the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. With two other former committee members, Elizabeth Holtzman of New York and Robert J. Drinan of Massachusetts, he appeared as one of the three ghosts of impeachment past, he said. Since 1989, Mr. Owens had worked with the Center for Middle East Peace and Economic Cooperation, which he helped found with S. Daniel Abraham, founder of Slim-Fast Foods. Douglas Wayne Owens was born in Garfield County, Utah. He attended the University of Utah and graduated from its law school in 1964. He was a missionary of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in France before practicing law in Salt Lake City in 1965. He worked in the presidential campaigns of Robert F. Kennedy in 1968 and Edward M. Kennedy in 1980, and he was a delegate to Democratic State and National Conventions in 1964, 1968 and 1980. He practiced law in Washington and Salt Lake City. Surviving are his wife, Marlene Wessel Owens; their 5 children, Elizabeth Owens Tew, Henry Douglas Owens, Sara Ruth Owens, Stephen Wessel Owens and Edward Wessel Owens; 2 sisters, Georgie Cuff and Betty Brown; a brother, Ted Owens; and 14 grandchildren. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/20/obituaries/20OWEN.html?ex=1041382882ei=1en=0f79b6f1601dc496 HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- A few points 1) paganism did not infiltrate Christianity - Christianity absorbed paganism. It may be a subtle difference - but it is a difference. It was not pagans fooling Christians into celebrating their holidays, it was Christians taking over pagan holidays, in order to ease the conversion of pagans to Christianity - much the way the Romans would allow other peoples their own gods, as long as they understood that those were just other names of the Roman gods. 2) EVERY agricultural mythos celebrated the concept of cyclical rebirth, as it follows the seasonal growing cycle. Usually the god or hero dies (often sacrificing himself) and his body becomes the staple food of the people - rice, or coconuts, or whatever. The sacrifice often happens at the winter solstice to ensure the return of the sun, and the growing season. The Jesus story is a slightly later and more sophisticated model of this story. 3) Santa Claus only sounds like Satan's claws in English. Santa Claus however does sound like St. nickolas if you say it fast and run it together. 4) for the origins of the specifics of the Santa Claus myth look into the stories of the laplanders, where their shamans would eat red and white garbed mushrooms (amanita muscaria) and their visions included things like flying reindeer. Jesus Christ said to His disciples, If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you shall KNOW THE TRUTH, and the truth will make you FREE -- free from the shackles of error, superstition, mythology, and pagan deception! (John 8:32). Jesus also said heaven isn't a place, it is an attitude, a feeling in the heart, that to act like Jesus is to be in the kingdom of heaven. All else is religious bullshit imposed by churches and priests. That is the truth to set you free. on 12/19/02 11:35 PM, iNFoWaRZ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas! What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Jesus Christ was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the birth day of the sun-god, Sol Invictus or Mithras? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the Saturnalia? Where did Santa Claus come from? The Christmas tree? How did this pagan feast become connected with Christianity? Here is an amazing whale of a tale! -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IHT: Roh wins presidency in Seoul
-Caveat Lector- http://www.iht.com/articles/80949.html Copyright © 2002 The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com Roh wins presidency in Seoul Howard W. French/NYT The New York Times Friday, December 20, 2002 His policy on North at odds with Bush's SEOUL Roh Moo Hyun, a liberal lawyer who urges continued engagement with North Korea and greater autonomy from the United States, narrowly triumphed Thursday in a tight presidential election. With about 99 percent of the votes counted, Roh had 48.9 percent and Lee Hoi Chang had 46.6 percent. The victory of Roh, 56, the candidate of the governing Millennium Democratic Party, sets South Korea and the United States, close military and economic partners, on the most divergent diplomatic paths they have followed in a half century of alliance. The Bush administration has spent the last three months pressing traditional friends like Japan and newer ones, like Russia and China, to heavily ratchet up the pressure on North Korea to force it to abandon a once-secret nuclear weapons program and to end its missile sales in the Middle East and elsewhere. Roh, however, staked his campaign on continued engagement with North Korea and has forcefully ruled out deadlines for compliance or economic sanctions to force South Korea's impoverished communist neighbor to respect its international engagements. By contrast, his main rival, Lee Hoi Chang, a conservative former supreme court justice who lost even more narrowly to Kim Dae Jung five years ago, had said that South Korea should suspend its assistance to the North until it cooperated on a host of issues, from arms control to family reunifications. Roh's commitment to engagement with North Korea, the most important legacy of his political mentor, Kim, has been so pronounced at times that it produced a last-minute turn of events that many here had thought could cost him the election. In the final day of campaigning, Wednesday, Roh's comments about North Korea shocked a former rival candidate and late supporter, Chung Mong Joon, scion of the Hyundai empire, causing him to drop their painstakingly arranged alliance. In that pre-election speech, with Chung standing nearby, Roh said, If the U.S. and North Korea start a war, we will stop it. Some took that to imply that South Korea would take a neutral position in any dispute between the United States and North Korea. Later, through a spokesman, Chung denounced Roh's speech, saying the United States is our ally and our view is that the U.S. has no reason to fight North Korea. Chung's abrupt withdrawal of support was featured on the front pages of all of the country's newspapers Thursday morning, and most commentators assumed it would devastate Roh's chances, especially since its left him with no time to recover. The two men forged their alliance only last month after a hastily arranged primary election aimed at producing a candidacy that could defeat Lee, whom opinion surveys had until then consistently ranked as the front-runner. Roh, who had always placed third in the polls, defeated Chung in the primary and was immediately catapulted into the front-runner's position. On Thursday afternoon, with many of his campaign workers looking demoralized over Chung's embarrassing defection and appearing to assume defeat, Roh restated the assertive diplomatic position he has taken throughout the three-week campaign. We must have dialogue with the North and with the U.S., Roh told a crowd in Seoul on Thursday. In this way, we must make sure that the North-U.S. dispute does not escalate into a war. Now the Republic of Korea must take a central role. We cannot have a war. South Korean politics have a long history of treacherous twists and bold dirty tricks. In the last election, the national intelligence service reportedly sought to pay North Korea to stage a border incident in order to boost the conservative candidate. So alternative theories abounded about Chung's motives, with people invoking everything from a fear of a vendetta against Hyundai if Lee won to heavy backstage lobbying by Washington. Almost everyone expected that Chung's move would do a lot more damage, said Yim Young Soon, a political scientist at Sung- kyunkwan University. In the end, the fact that Chung defaulted seemed to solidify Roh's support. On the North Korean nuclear threat, the conventional wisdom said it would help Lee Hoi Chang, but people who live close to a demilitarized zone turned out to prefer Roh's more peaceful approach. If relations with North Korea have been at the center of the campaign from the very start, South Korea's ties with the United States have been its barely concealed subtext. In recent weeks, the country has seen some of the biggest demonstrations in a generation in Seoul and other cities to protest the recent acquittal of two U.S. Army personnel in the death of two schoolgirls who were crushed by their armored vehicle in June. The
[CTRL] For your attention
-Caveat Lector- Euphorian spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it. To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk Failure of the 82nd airborne As the US prepares for war on Iraq, its troops in Afghanistan are coming under increasing attack from the forces they were sent to dig out Dan Plesch Wednesday December 18 2002 The Guardian American forces in Afghanistan have suffered a series of setbacks during 2002, and a year after the fall of the Taliban the US army is under almost daily attack in its bases in eastern Afghanistan. In the latest incident, in Kabul yesterday, two American soldiers were seriously injured in a grenade attack. The main US force in the country is the 82nd airborne division, which is based at Bagram near Kabul. There are secondary bases at and around Khost in eastern Afghanistan, some 20 miles from the Pakistan border. Since mid-September US forces based in this area have been increased to more than 2,000, from just a few hundred earlier in the year, with a full battalion of parachute infantry at the new base of Camp Salerno outside Khost. Several US-led attacks, using hundreds and even thousands of troops, have been ineffective, suffered outright defeat, or resulted in disaster. These failures have led the US to keep its forces mostly inside their bases: at Khost and Kandahar they are under attack almost daily from missiles and machine guns. When it was launched in March, the US gave Operation Anaconda maximum publicity. It was supposed to crush remaining al-Qaida forces. Locally recruited Afghans were trained to act as beaters, driving al-Qaida from its high mountain caves on to the guns of US soldiers lying in ambush. The reality was that it was the US army that was ambushed. According to the Washington Post and other US reports, the plan was betrayed to the enemy through the Afghan militias. At a dozen mountain passes, al-Qaida attacked US and allied forces as they jumped from their helicopters to take up what they thought would be their own ambush positions. So intense was the enemy fire that for two days the US could not fly in helicopters to support its own troops, who remained pinned down in vicious fighting. The US had eight men killed and 100 wounded before al-Qaida pulled back. After proclaiming the operation a complete success, the US announced that no more operations of this kind would be undertaken. During the summer, the units involved - the 101st air assault and 10th mountain - were replaced by the 82nd airborne. This is the most highly trained infantry unit in the US army, and one Pentagon planners would prefer to have available for Iraq. It began operations intended to dig out enemy forces from the villages of eastern Afghanistan. Newsweek described as a disaster its first high-profile mission, quoting other US troops and civilian witnesses. They said that 600 soldiers had gone on the rampage in Operation Mountain Sweep, undoing in minutes six months of community building. They went through villages as if Bin Laden was in every house, said one of the US army's own special forces soldiers. So serious were the complaints from other units about the conduct of the 82nd airborne that the army took sworn statements from all the officers and senior NCOs involved. The civilian casualties have not been accounted for. The 82nd is continuing to conduct cordon and search operations and has reduced media access. One senior US editor told me he had been prevented by his own organisation from filing reports on the futility and brutality of US operations. He said the only comparison in US military history was with a punitive expedition into Mexico conducted by General Pershing in 1915. This produced virtually no results after months searching the desolate Mexican countryside in search of Pancho Villa, chasing up false leads provided by the local population. Former British officers well informed on the Afghan operations are concerned at the US approach. British troops are trained to operate according to rules of engagement governing when it is considered acceptable to shoot to kill. This approach is designed to ensure that force is used to help achieve wider political goals. In the US army this kind of fine-tuning is not regarded as relevant. Despite its power, the US has not been able to prevent its bases in Afghanistan from coming under frequent attack. Mostly, these achieve little more than keeping the troops in their dugouts. From time to time, as yesterday, a few soldiers are wounded and trucks blown up. Containing the violence at this relatively low level could be considered a victory in itself but it will be hard to keep the lid on indefinitely. At the same time, the vaunted claim not to have once more left Afghanistan in the lurch is looking increasingly hollow. Some aid has been delivered, but its impact has been
[CTRL] A washingtonpost.com article from: alamaine@uffdaonline.net
-Caveat Lector- You have been sent this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a courtesy of the Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9342-2002Dec18.html U.S. Social Security May Reach To Mexico By Jonathan Weisman Pushed by the Mexican government, the Bush administration is working on a Social Security accord that would put tens of thousands of Mexicans onto the Social Security roster and send hundreds of millions of dollars in benefits south of the border. White House and Mexican government officials say discussions on an agreement to align the Social Security systems of the two countries are informal and preliminary. But excerpts from an internal Social Security Administration memo obtained this month say the agreement is expected to move forward at an accelerated pace, with the support of both governments, and could be in force by next October. The pact would be the latest, but by far the largest, of a series of treaties designed to ensure that people from one country working in another aren't taxed by both nations' social security systems. In its first year, the agreement is projected to trigger 37,000 new claims from Mexicans who worked in the United States legally and paid Social Security taxes but have been unable to claim their checks, according to a memo prepared by Ted Girdner, the Social Security Administration's assistant associate commissioner for international operations. Extrapolating from U.S. and Mexican government statistics, the accord could cost $720 million a year within five years of implementation. One independent estimate put the total at $1 billion a year -- a large sum, but a trifle compared with the $372 billion in Social Security benefits currently being paid to 46.4 million recipients. Mexican President Vicente Fox has been pushing President Bush to sign a Social Security agreement with Mexico as something of a consolation prize to make up for Bush's failure to pursue promised immigration reforms, according to Latino lobbyists close to the Fox administration. Mexican officials began pressing the White House hard at meetings that preceded the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Los Cabos, Mexico, in October. When the legalization talks began going nowhere, the Mexicans began focusing on this, said Maria Blanco, national senior counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. They really bore in at Los Cabos. Arturo Sarukhan, a top official in Mexico's foreign ministry, said that after Mexico's failure to win a comprehensive package of immigration reforms from Bush, it is lobbying in Washington for important incremental steps. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time, he said. The Social Security agreement, he said, is one of those less-sexy things that Mexico has been pushing to deepen its relationship with the United States and improve the day-to-day lives of Mexicans. Just yesterday, Fox underscored the political pressure he is under domestically to secure concessions from the United States when he journeyed to the border city of Nuevo Laredo to call for an urgent immigration accord to end discrimination against Mexican workers north of the border. Concern is rising on Capitol Hill -- and even among some White House economic aides -- that any agreement on Social Security could add a new burden to the benefits system, just as the baby-boom generation is preparing to retire. House Ways and Means Committee staff members are meeting today with Social Security officials to hash out projected costs for such an agreement. We are concerned about the sheer magnitude of the agreement, said a House Republican aide who is an expert on Social Security. About 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the system by the 20 existing international agreements. A Mexican agreement alone could bring in 162,000 in the first five years. White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said the issue is being explored only at a technical level at this point, and the administration has not yet decided to move forward with formal negotiations. A totalization agreement with Mexico would have significant implications, she said. Miguel Monterrubio, a spokesman for the Mexican Embassy, said several meetings have taken place between the Social Security Administration and its Mexican counterpart since November 2001, but he, too, called them informal. The Social Security memo indicates that work may be further along than both governments are saying. According to the memo, the application workloads generated by an agreement with Mexico will be much larger than those resulting from any of the 20 existing agreements with other countries. In addition to the flurry of new claims, an additional 13,000 Mexicans entitled to benefits but cut off by provisions in recent immigration laws could also begin
[CTRL] TownHall.com: Conservative Columnists: Steve Chapman
-Caveat Lector- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/stevechapman/sc20021219.shtml QUICK LINKS: HOME | NEWS | OPINION | RIGHTPAGES | CHAT | WHAT'S NEW townhall.com Steve Chapman (back to story) December 19, 2002 Bush's exercise in missing the point George W. Bush is the first president with a master's in business administration, and somewhere along the line he mastered the art of marketing. Judging from his handling of national security issues, he could sell MTV to the Amish. For the last year, the administration has used Sept. 11 as an excuse for going to war against Iraq, which makes about as much sense as using a fire extinguisher to battle a flood. But sensible or not, his pitch has worked. An October poll by the Pew Research Center for the People the Press found that 66 percent of Americans think Saddam Hussein played a role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. They believe this in spite of the fact that our intelligence agencies say there was no connection. Reports of a meeting in Prague between an Iraqi intelligence officer and lead hijacker Mohammed Atta turned out to be groundless. Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA analyst whose book, The Threatening Storm, makes the case for invading Iraq, is honest enough to state plainly that Saddam Hussein was not involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But last week, after months of fruitless efforts to tie the terrorism can to Hussein's tail, someone in the administration managed to sell The Washington Post a story that Iraq recently shipped nerve gas to al Qaeda. This is hard to believe on its face -- since it assumes that Hussein would shun cooperation with al Qaeda until the moment when the world's attention is fixed on him and he is most likely to be caught. Even the Post's sources admitted that the information was open to interpretation and not backed by definitive evidence. Once the Post story broke, an unidentified U.S. intelligence official interviewed by The Financial Times dismissed it: I can't give you any morsel of information that supports this. For this puff of vapor, we're going to war? Well, no. We're going to war regardless. But the administration figures if it offers enough reasons to go after Saddam Hussein, people won't notice that none of them is convincing. A hundred times zero is zero in math, but in politics, nothing piled on nothing can eventually add up to something. The president has shown a consistent knack for turning chicken feathers into chicken salad. This week, he announced the deployment of a ballistic missile defense that is supposed to protect the American people from attack. September 11, 2001, underscored that our nation faces unprecedented threats, he said by way of justifying this venture. He's right, of course. And he'd be right if he pointed out that the tornadoes that killed 36 people from Louisiana to Pennsylvania last month illustrated our vulnerability to extreme weather. This system of interceptors is as relevant to tornadoes as it is to al Qaeda. Sept. 11 illustrated terrible dangers -- which missile defense does nothing to address. The attacks proved how much damage terrorists (or enemy governments) can inflict without intercontinental ballistic missiles. If they want to detonate a bomb on American soil, they'd find it much easier to transport it by airplane, boat, truck or suitcase than to build an expensive and highly visible long-distance delivery system. They'd also find it safer, since a missile, unlike a suicide bomber, can easily be traced back to its source. The real danger we face is that these violent fanatics, who have done so much damage with low- tech methods, may acquire far more destructive weapons -- biological, chemical or nuclear. But missile defense, which does not promise to be cheap, will only drain resources from that fight. A war with Iraq won't help either. In fact, it could be the best thing that ever happened to al Qaeda. In the first place, it will divert American troops and attention away from the main threat to a peripheral one. In the second place, it will create chaos on the ground in Iraq. As Saddam Hussein's regime loses control of the country, a lot of military officers who have custody of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons will have the chance to get rich selling them to the highest bidder -- who just might be named Osama bin Laden. Bush claims his approach to Iraq and missile defense will make us safer against the unprecedented threats we so painfully discovered 15 months ago. But suppose we had toppled Saddam Hussein in 1991 and built a foolproof missile defense years ago. How many lives would have been saved on Sept. 11? None. What good will these efforts do to avert the next attack? You can guess. ©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc. Contact Steve Chapman | Read his biography townhall.com QUICK LINKS: HOME | NEWS | OPINION | RIGHTPAGES | CHAT | WHAT'S NEW A
[CTRL] Iraq: US 'Psyops' broadcasts
-Caveat Lector- http://www.indexonline.org/news/20021219_iraq.shtml Iraq: US 'Psyops' broadcasts Celine Dion leads US propaganda war No jokes about 'weapons of mass destruction' please: US 'Psyops' broadcasters have added songs by Canadian singer Celine Dion to their assault on Iraqi radio audiences. Takuya Hirayama of Clandestine Radio Watch Japan listened in. US 'psyops' station Information Radio was monitored on December 18 broadcasting on both 9715 and 11292 kHz to southern Iraq. The signals, registered across Europe and the Middle East as well as Japan, were monitored by supporters of Clandestine Radio Watch, a volunteer group that studies the activities of covert radio broadcasters. With one female and two male native Iraqi speakers as announcers the station aired popular Arabic music, including songs by Iraqi and Lebanese artists, and some western music, notably the theme song from the film Titanic, 'My Heart Will Go On' by Celine Dion. The music did not immediately appear to carry subversive undertones, reported the monitor, Takuya Hirayama, of Clandestine Radio Watch Japan. The station identifies itself in Arabic as Idha'at Radiyo Al- Ma'ulumat, and occasionally as Masdar Ma'ulumatikum, Idha'at Radiyo al-Ma'ulumat (Your Source of Information, Information Radio). Hirayama's record of the broadcasts included a profile of Egyptian born International Atomic Energy Agency Director, Dr. Mohamed el-Baradei, a report on the US military exercise 'Internal Look' to test the ability of US command and control teams to relocate to the Middle East, and a repeat of President George W. Bush and United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan's comments on the Iraq situation on November 8. Follows, some selections from the transcripts. 16:00 hrs: An announcer concludes his remarks: ...dear listeners, every member of the United Nations Security Council voted in favour of United Nations Security Resolution 1441 on November 8th, 2002. The unanimity of the vote is evidence that the United Nations is unwavering in its resolve to see Saddam Hussein's regime disarmed in a peaceful manner. UNSCR 1441 has clearly strengthened the cause of peace throughout the world. We can only hope that Saddam Hussein seizes the opportunity to begin the end of the isolation and suffering that his non-compliance with past UN resolutions has brought on the Iraqi people. 16:14: Song by an Iraqi female pop singer. 16:19: Station identification read by female announcer. 16:20: Another song by an Iraqi female pop singer. 16:26: Celine Dion sings the theme song from Titanic 16:30: Station identification read by female announcer. Your source of Information, Information Radio (Masdar Ma'ulumatikum, Idha'at Radiyo al-Ma'ulumat) 1631- Song by an Iraqi male pop singer. 16:37: Station identification read by a male announcer followed by a reading by a female announcer: People of Iraq. Throughout the history of the world, mankind has shown a desire to progress and expand. Great leaders have built vast civilizations and empires that spanned continents. These leaders have sponsored education programs, paved vast roads, and built housing for the less fortunate. The leaders of the past have turned deserts into arable land, and created innovations which made life easier for their people. The great leaders of the past are known for their generosity and charity towards their own people, as well as their neighbouring lands. In Afghanistan, once the Taleban was removed from power, the standard of living drastically improved. Relief aid is pouring into Afghanistan and is appropriately distributed. Schools are open and people all across Afghanistan are better off. However, there have been leaders who were not moved by charity and good will. These leaders were motivated solely by greed and power. Josef Stalin was one such leader. Stalin was set on world domination, and it was his regime that began nearly a half-century of brutal domination through Eastern Europe. Stalin oppressed his people as he ruled over his country with an iron fist. During his reign as a dictator, Stalin killed and imprisoned millions of his own people. Millions of others were forcefully displaced and ended up living many miles away from their own homes. This dictator cared nothing for his own people, he merely sought to exploit them to perpetuate his regime and flawed ideology. In the end, the world has paid a higher price for not stopping men like Stalin when they had the chance. Many millions of people have lost their lives needlessly under these oppressive regimes and in wars started by these leaders. The loss of life and the needless suffering could have been minimized had action been taken sooner. History has shown that appeasement of brutal domineering regimes only brings greater tragedy. Saddam too has a lust for power, and the world will stand up and put an end to the terror he imposes on others, before he destroys Iraq and crushes the hopes of
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- Several questions. If pagans were the larger organized group, why didn't the pagan community just absorb the smaller group of Christians? Why was there so much persecution of the pagans by Constantine if paganism was what was favored? Is paganism making a comeback thru the gradual transition of Christmas to Winter Holidays, as they are celebrated in the atheistic Soviet Union? Why no balance in the article by using scholarship from the Catholic Encyclopedia on this topic? In any reasonable discussion, Catholics would speak for Catholic beliefs and pagans should speak for pagan beliefs. Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of iNFoWaRZ Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: F.B.I. Director Rejects Agency for Intelligence in United States
-Caveat Lector- Mueller just wants exclusive jurisdiction over information so he can cover up what he is directed to do as in the BCCI case. Don't pin a medal on him, he belongs in jail. This should not be construed as an endorsement of the new agency by me. JR - Original Message - From: Tenor Love To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: F.B.I. Director Rejects Agency for Intelligence in United States -Caveat Lector-This article from NYTimes.comhas been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED].Good for Mueller! Wonder how long it will be before he is "suicided"?[EMAIL PROTECTED]F.B.I. Director Rejects Agency for Intelligence in United StatesDecember 20, 2002By DAVID JOHNSTONWASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - Director Robert S. Mueller III of theF.B.I. rejected the idea of a new domestic intelligenceagency today, for the first time expressing explicitopposition to the proposal by lawmakers and others who havesaid the bureau should be stripped of its primary role incountering terrorism in the United States.Mr. Mueller said in a speech to a criminal research groupin New York that a new domestic intelligence agency wouldbe "a step backward in the war on terror" and that theFederal Bureau of Investigation was "uniquely situated forthe counterterrorism mission."Mr. Mueller's defense of the F.B.I.'s authority was hismost explicit statement on the subject and followedCongressional critics who have complained that the bureaufailed to interpret warning signs that might have ledauthorities to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks.Some lawmakers have said a new agency should take over thebureau's intelligence gathering role, which would be turnedover to the Department of Homeland Security.The joint House and Senate intelligence inquiry into lapsesby the F.B.I. and C.I.A. before the attacks concluded thismonth that a cabinet level officer should overseeintelligence throughout the government, but the panel didnot recommend a new intelligence agency. Last month, anadvisory group led by James S. Gilmore III, a formergovernor of Virginia, said a new agency should take overintelligence gathering.The Bush administration has said it has no plans torecommend a new agency, but senior officials haveconsidered the proposal, and the discussion continues tocirculate in intelligence circles among officials who fearthat the F.B.I. cannot collect intelligence about possibleattacks while investigating terrorism.Mr. Mueller said the bureau had taken steps to improveintelligence analysis and had fixed problems that hadhampered information sharing."This crumbling of pre 9/11 walls brings us to the issue ofwhether America should create a new domestic intelligenceagency similar to the British MI-5," Mr. Mueller said."This idea is based on a faulty understanding ofcounterterrorism that sees a dichotomy between`intelligence operations' and `law enforcement operations.'This misunderstanding of counterterrorism has led some toconclude that we should separate these two functions andcreate a new domestic intelligence agency."But, Mr. Mueller said: "Building new walls is going in thewrong direction. There is no reason to separate the twofunctions."Mr. Mueller spoke on a day when European justice ministersagreed to allow the European Union's law enforcementagency, Europol, to share information with the F.B.I.http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/20/politics/20BURE.html?ex=1041382543ei=1en=e76840c3955b4a10HOW TO ADVERTISE-For information on advertising in e-mail newslettersor other creative advertising opportunities with TheNew York Times on the Web, please contact[EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online mediakit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfoFor general information about NYTimes.com, write to[EMAIL PROTECTED].Copyright 2002 The New York Times CompanyA HREF="'http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="'http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="'http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrlhttp:[EMAIL
[CTRL] t r u t h o u t - William Rivers Pitt | Bush Nominates Himself to Chair 9/11 Investigation
-Caveat Lector- http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/12.20A.wrp.kean.htm Bush Nominates Himself to Chair 9/11 Investigation By William Rivers Pitt t r u t h o u t | Perspective Thursday, 19 December, 2002 George W. Bush has tapped Thomas Kean to chair the independent investigation into the attacks of September 11th. This nomination comes in the wake of the choice of Henry Kissinger for that post, and his sudden departure. Kissinger, considered a master of secrets and a war criminal to boot, was an odd pick for the post to say the least. He resigned rather than give up the list of clients he has served since leaving public life, as the 9/11 victims families had demanded and the protocols of security clearance had required. One wonders what manner of Kissinger clients could have caused a 'conflict of interest' in a terrorism investigation, but that question will have to wait. In a perfect world, Kean would be a standard-issue Republican. He is President of Drew University. He served from 1982 through 1990 as Governor of New Jersey, enjoying high popularity among his constituents and warm relations with labor groups. He is the former chairman of the National Environmental Education and Training Foundation; he is a board member of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, the World Wildlife Fund, the National Center for Learning Disabilities, and the National Endowment for Democracy. Kean led the U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Education for All in Thailand in 1990; he was vice chairman for the U.S. delegation to the Fourth U.N. World Conference on Women in 1995; he served on the advisory board to the President's Initiative on Race from 1997 to 1998; he is currently chairman of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy; he served as a board member of America's Promise, a foundation for improving America's youth created by Presidents Clinton, Bush, Carter, Ford and Reagan (who was represented at the group's inception by his wife, Nancy). That is an impressive record. Kean is also a director for the petroleum giant Amerada Hess, the food services corporation Amarak, and the Pepsi Bottling Group. Kean is likewise a board member of the Fiduciary Trust Company International. He is a former board member for the CIT Group and UnitedHealth Group. It is his association with Hess that has drawn concern from 9/11 victims groups, because Hess has business agreements with Saudi Arabia and oil exploration facilities in Indonesia and Malaysia. The latter countries are widely believed to be home to al Qaeda terrorists, while the former has become notorious for its association with Wahabbi fundamentalism, Osama bin Laden, and a majority of the 9/11 hijackers. Kristen Breitweister, the co- chairman of Sept. 11 Advocates who lost her husband in the World Trade Center attacks, said of Kean's nomination: I'm collecting all the information so when we meet with all the commissioners we'll be able to properly ask all the questions. I'm not even at a point where I'm considering whether or not he would be good at it. There can be no question that Kean's nomination is a quantum improvement over Kissinger. However, it was a curious choice. Kean has been out of politics since 1990, and is a virtual unknown on the national stage. It is clear that he enjoys philanthropic work, but it is also clear that he has strong ties to some heavy hitters in the business community and the petroleum industry. He has not the massive ego of Kissinger, nor aspirations to high office, having gotten out twelve years ago after deciding that the political rat race had become distasteful. He has virtually no experience in foreign policy, intelligence, or national security matters. In many ways, this was a non-nomination. Kean has much to lose and little to gain from chairing this investigation. In the final analysis, it appears that Bush has nominated someone who will be easily controlled by the administration. Kean does not possess, by dint of experience, the wherewithal to ask the difficult questions that must be pressed if this investigation is to be successful. His is not, and never has been, the kind of boat-rocker that will be necessary to pry the truth from the administration, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA and the Department of Defense. It is vital in this to remember that the Bush administration thwarted this independent investigation for 18 months, until they got the two things they wanted. What they wanted was a requirement that any subpoenas would be issued only after six of the ten people on the commission voted for it. The commission is comprised of five Democrats and five Republicans. If a particular subpoena seems to cut too close to the political bone, the Republicans on the committee need only stand shoulder to shoulder to stop it. The other requirement the Bush administration demanded was the right to pick the chairman of the commission. One need look no further than the first choice, Henry Kissinger, to
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.dakotatechnics.com/actionsurvey/rushaction.htm Take ACTION! Take back the airwaves! Tell Rush Sponsors You've had ENOUGH of the spreading of disinformation and hate! Real democracy is built on debate. But Limbaugh has little use for debates; he has forged a media empire largely on unchallenged monologues. --www.fair.org (Fairness Accuracy In Reporting) Joe Conason wrote an article at Salon.com dated December 5th about Rush Limbaugh bashing John Kerry on the air and how another caller called in and confronted Rush on his deferment during the Vietnam War for having a boil on his ass. John Kerry was awarded 3 Purple Hearts and the Silver Star for his heroic actions in Vietnam and it just smacked of hypocrisy that Limbaugh could attack a true American hero while he himself nursed a boil on his ass during the same war. Many of us are totally fed up with Republican Chickenhawks like Rush Limbaugh constantly beating the drums of war and advocating that our loved ones sacrifice themselves for our country while they themslves did everything they could to dodge military service. Some of us on the Michael Moore message boards came up with an idea to call for a boycott on Rush Limbaugh's advertisers and hit him in the wallet where it would hurt him the most. To read the Conason article please click here http://salon.com/politics/conason/2002/12/05/bush/index.html To read more about Chickenhawks click here http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html Limbaugh's advertisers are listed below. Please contact them by phone, mail or email and express your outrage at Limbaugh's attacks on people like John Kerry and other patriotic Americans who don't lean as far to the radical right as Limbaugh and his gang of bullies. Then boycott any products or services sold by his advertisers and pass the message on. Need any more reasons to want to STOP RUSH? How about these: Limbaugh calls concern about the ozone layer: balderdash. Poppycock. The only people who worry about it are environmental wackos, dunderheaded alarmists and prophets of doom. The Earth's eco-system is not fragile The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down. Condoms only work during the school year. There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish those who do not. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society. Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud. Health care has problems, but no crisis for drastic change. Constitution only works in a moral society. Broadcasts Fairness Doctrine breaches First Amendment Social Security was nothing more than a scheme designed to enrich and empower the Democratic Party forever. If you want to know what America used to be--and a lot of people wish it still were--then you listen to Strom Thurmond. Richard Daley, in 1968, in the Democratic National Convention, issued an order--where there were rumors of riots--he issued a shoot-to-kill order. And there were no riots and there was no civil disobedience and no shots were fired and nobody was hurt. And that's what ought to happen. One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics...[Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip. Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men. Even the ultraconservatives know what Rush is about: He never offers solutions or plans, just cynical negative rhetoric designed to divide our Republic. He only provides a steady stream of propaganda or duckspeak meant to deflect the way our government really works . . . (Published in the March 19, 2001 issue of Ether Zone) Read more about Rush's distortions of truth at www.Fair.org Rush Sponsors: AutoZone Inc. Steve Odland, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer P.O. Box 2198 Memphis, TN 38101 Phone (901) 495-7185 Fax (901) 495-8374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bose Corporation, MS 2C2 The Mountain Framingham, MA 01701 Phone: 508-766-7781 These two people are in public relations at Bose: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mission Pharmacal Company 10999 IH-10 West Suite 1000 San Antonio, TX 78230 Telephone: (800) 531- General Steel Metal Buildings 1075 South Yukon, Ste. 250 Lakewood, Colorado 80226 Toll Free: 1-888-98-STEEL Phone: 303-904-4837 Fax: 303-979-0084 Life Quotes, Inc. Kenneth L. Manley 32045 Castle Court Evergreen, CO 80439 1-800-670-5433 Red Lobster P.O. Box 593330 Orlando, FL 32859-3330 Select Comfort Corporation 6105 Trenton Lane N Minneapolis, MN 55442 Phone: 763-551-7000 Fax: 763-551-7826 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scottrade Inc Rodger O. Riney, President 12855 Flushing Meadows Drive Saint Louis, MO 63131 1-800-619-SAVE [EMAIL
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1441_A_652391,00.html Print 10.10.2002 German Court Halts Book on Catholics and Third Reich A German court has issued a temporary injunction against publication of a new book by controversial American author and historian Daniel Goldhagen about the Catholic Church's history in Third Reich Germany. The regional court in Munich responded to a demand by Munich's Archdiocese that the book be withdrawn from publication over a factual error. The district court issued its ruling on Tuesday based on evidence that information contained in the publication implied false association of a member of the Catholic Church with Hitler's Third Reich in World War II. In Goldhagen's new book, A Moral Reckoning: The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair, a photograph showing a person marching with SS officers at a Nazi rally in Munich comes with a caption identifying the man as the city's then-Cardinal, Michael Faulhaber. Church says man in photograph not Cardinal The caption accompanying the photo reads: Cardinal Michael Faulhaber marches at a Nazi rally in Munich through an S.S. honour guard. The church claims the caption is false and that the Cardinal was not the person in the picture. Catholic officials say the person shown in the photograph with former Propaganda Minister Hermann Göring, among others, was most likely the Vatican's then-ambassador to Germany, Nuntius Orsenigo. Christian Ottmann, spokesperson for the Munich diocese, told the Associated Press that the publishing house must recall the book or black out the caption. If this is not done, the book's Berlin-based publisher, Wolf Jopst Siedler, could face a 250,000 euro ($246,000) fine. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, which holds the original photograph, initially disputed the claim that the person in the photograph was someone else. On Thursday, a spokesman told DW-WORLD that the museum is taking another look. We have stopped circulating it, said deputy spokesman Andew Hollinger. As far as I know, we are revisiting trying to confirm this person's identity. The Church, meanwhile, has invited researchers to take a look at the recently- released Faulhaber archives in an effort to clarify the matter. Although the contentious caption and its offending photograph are quoted as the main reason behind the action taken against the book and its author, it is likely that its content could also be seen as a catalyst for the Catholic Church's anger. Content of book likely to agitate Catholics Some of the book's core research material appeared as a 27,000-word essay in the American political magazine The New Republic in January. In the essay, Goldhagen reiterates widely reported allegations that suggest that Pius XII, the wartime Pope, did not do enough to protect the Jews, even though he likely knew of the fate which awaited them. The Vatican has always argued that its cautious, non-confrontational policy saved more people than would have been the case if it had spoken out in condemnation of the Nazis. Goldhagen says such arguments are bizarre and nonsensical, topped only by those of revisionist historians, who try to argue the Holocaust never actually happen. Goldhagen, a professor of government and social studies at Harvard University, is no stranger to controversy or ruffling the feathers of Germans. His best-known book, Hitler's Willing Executioners, blamed ordinary Germans for the Holocaust. Although some critics accused him of taking liberties with the truth and writing in a confrontational style, the book became a best-seller and award winner. 10.10.2002 German Court Halts Book on Catholics and Third Reich A German court has issued a temporary injunction against publication of a new book by controversial American author and historian Daniel Goldhagen about the Catholic Church's history in Third Reich Germany. The regional court in Munich responded to a demand by Munich's Archdiocese that the book be withdrawn from publication over a factual error. The district court issued its ruling on Tuesday based on evidence that information contained in the publication implied false association of a member of the Catholic Church with Hitler's Third Reich in World War II. In Goldhagen's new book, A Moral Reckoning: The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair, a photograph showing a person marching with SS officers at a Nazi rally in Munich comes with a caption identifying the man as the city's then-Cardinal, Michael Faulhaber. Church says man in photograph not Cardinal The caption accompanying the photo reads: Cardinal Michael Faulhaber marches at a Nazi rally in Munich through an S.S. honour guard. The church claims the caption is false and that the Cardinal was not the person in the picture. Catholic officials say the person shown in the photograph with former
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-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:23:52 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Terror Flight School Owner in Business with Whitewater Scandal Key Figure Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is being sent on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as part of the mailing list that you joined. List: TheMadCowMorningNews URL: http://www.madcowprod.com read the whole story at http://www.madcowprod.com The MadCowMorningNews When Matt Katie Aren't Enough. Six Degrees of Richard Ben-Veniste At the same time Wally Hilliard's Venice flight school was training dozens of terrorists to flyincluding both pilots crashing into the World Trade Centerthe owner of Huffman Aviation in Venice Florida was also involved in a murky aviation transaction with a multi-millionaire Texas oil-man who played a prominent role in the Whitewater Scandal. Truman Arnold, chief fund-raiser for the Democratic Party in 1995 when the scandal broke, was investigated for a variety of dubious money-raising schemes ranging from renting out the White House's Lincoln Bedroom to selling tickets on Air Force One. He was also fingered for procuring cash (read hush money) for convicted Clinton friend Web Hubbell. Now Truman Arnold's name has surfaced in connection with the investigation into the Venice FL flight schools made infamous by the September 11 terrorist attack. In a curious aircraft transaction discovered while probing the tangled business affairs of Wallace J. Hilliard, 70, of Naples, FL, Truman Arnold appears to have 'loaned' Hilliardfor only a dollara Beechcraft King Air 200 worth over $2 million. In another bizarre twist, Truman Arnolds lawyer during the Whitewater Investigation turns out to have been Democratic power-broker Richard Ben- Veniste, just nominated to serve on the 9/11 probe. If Ben-Veniste client Truman Arnold's business dealings with terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard come under scrutiny in the 9/11 probe, the slick Washington lawyer may find himself involved in a major national scandal from two different sides. read the whole story at http://www.madcowprod.com The MadCowMorningNews When Matt Katie Aren't Enough. Click to be removed: http://MessageBot.com/r.cgi?list=TheMadCowMorningNews Powered by http://MessageBot.com/ Get Cool Images at http://www.flamingtext.com/mb.html --- End of forwarded message --- -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Rather curiously it seems as if the 'War Makers' are obsessed with using specific dates for their nefarious activities, even though such a suggestion may seem very odd. Anyway, February 1st 2003 seems like a most 'Pearl Harbor' date I can calculate. Alchemy of Numbers - Ring of Fire February 1st 2003. OK, I can understand that most of those in the Christian Faith consider an explanation based upon calculations as numerology and are rejected out of hand. And after nearly 16 years full time 'number' study, I know a bit about numbers as signatures or identifiable patterns I call references. The skeptics say that what I do is no more than a contrived set of numbers seeking a predetermined result, and others detest numbers so much that they consider them tedious in the extreme and not worth a moment's consideration. Thus, I need to 'beat my drum' so get my message across, that 'counting matters'. For example, the end of the Book of Daniel stating at chapter and verse 12.6 to 12.9 says: And [one] said to the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, How long [shall it be to] the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what [shall be] the end of these [things]? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end. These verses link the end times with the number 1,260 (time, times and half a time) and 126 is probably one of the most important numbers according to the calculations, as Christ lived some 12,600 days from circumcision to crucifixion. The exquisite 'Eye of Horus' has the reference 126, and each burning lamp of the Menorah as has the reference 126, and even 'Liberty' has the reference 127 comes out of the number 126, (126 x 126 x 8 /1,000 is 127.008 the 'female' reference for 'mother of nations' who was Abraham's wife Sarah, and lived 127 years). For 126 is made up of the 'Lamp' 17 and the 'Light' 109 is 126, the very spirit within all humankind, and all wrapped up in the 'Statue of Liberty', that is Liberty Enlightening the World. The height of the Statue of Liberty is 305 feet 1 inch, with the 'Liberty' figure from base to torch 151 feet 1 inch, some 1,813 inches and the pedestal is 154 feet some 1,848 inches. And 1813 x 1848 and squared twice x 2 and square root x 8 is 1.270002e+14, the reference for 'Freedom'. The Statue of Liberty - September 11th 2001 - February 1st 2003 .What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. Thomas Jefferson Paris, November 13, 1787 Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was 'a new Pearl Harbor'. Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true. John Pilger :12 Dec 2002 http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759 Now, in nearly 16 years I never offered up a 'prophetic date' until I discovered a few weeks ago that 'appeared' in the number crunching, that is February 1st 2003. Of course I know not what will happen that day, and if something does, than it could be so called 'Ring of Fire' another 'Pearl Harbor' and maybe the 'kick start' to an uncalled for war against Iraq. The Statue of Liberty is 'written' into the period from September 11th 2001 to February 1st 2003 in that September 11th is day 253 of the year and divided by 365.242198 days + 2001 is 2001.69269 whereas February 1st 2003 is 2003.084875 a difference of 1.3921851 years, x 365.242198 days is 508.484776 days x 24 hours /40 is 305.0908 hours, and as feet 305 feet 1.090 inches, the height of the Statue of Liberty. There are other calculations that pinpoint February 1st 2003 for 'Fire' but I like this one, especially when Thomas Jefferson wrote about the Tree of Liberty requiring blood of both the patriots and the enemy to feed it. So thanks to the volume of two Ancient Egyptian cubic cubits filled with male human blood weighs some 681 pounds or two thirds of a cubic cubit some 227 pounds. The United States 'Mace' that is the 'Law' is 46 inches long x Pi twice is 'Blood' at 227.00090 x 2 lots. So the 'Law' at 46 + 46 + the 'Lamp' at 17 is 'Fire' at 109 + 17 is 126 for the 'Tree of Liberty'. Thus 'Blood' at 227 x 4 and /Pi twice + the 'Lamp' at 17 + 17 is 126 the 'Burning Lamp' the Statue of Liberty. The Lord of the Rings and the Ring of Death There was held a great Council of Elrond, at which it was decided to attempt the destruction of the Ring, and Frodo was appointed Ring-Bearer. The Companions of the Ring were then chosen, who were to aid him in quest. To come to the Mountain of
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- from Soldier of Fortune magazine Jan 2003 issue: DYNCORP EMPLOYEES PAID $180,000 TO RPOVIDE SECURITY an insider at Dyncorp told soldier of fortune writers that on Nov. 15 2002, a open ended agreement with the Department of State (DOS) had been reached for Dyncorp to provide security services for hamid Karzai, president of afgahnistan. the Dyncorp employees would replace delta force and seal team 6 memners who are needed elsewhere. the anonymous source said that the diplomatic security service, a part of the DOS would screen all applicants provided by dyncorp. pictures of current security members, carrying modified CQB M4 (m-16 type weapons) rifles with special aim point sights were printed along with the artcicle. members of the current security team stopped an assassination attempton karzai earlier this year by killing one man and two innocent bystanders the source stated that the head of diplomatic security services for the DOS is a former Delta force member who left the service during the mid 1980's, earned a masters degree and doctorate and then returned to special programs. The source says that Dyncorp employees will be used because they are considered expendable and it will lower the risk for government employees. A 50 man unit will be travelling with Karzai at all times and a further 12 to 18 will be required on duty at his palace and as staff members. the source goes on to state that he has 30 years of experience and that to calculate correctly, take 12 to 18 (people) and mutliply times 3.7 to get the number necessary to cover three eight hour shifts and account for absences the employees will receive a base salary of $126,000. with perks and hazard pay, this amounts to $180,000 per year plus a one million dollar life insurance policy and health care provided by the military. employees will be former seal team or delta members with personal security experience: E8 or E9. in response to the article, dyncorp refused to comment. SOF magazine editors contacted the dept of state (DOS) who referred all inquiries to Dyncorp. to come to know your enemy, you must first become his freind. And once you are his friend, all of his defences come down. then you may choose the most fitting method for his demise.--Tokugawa Ieyasu Just as water will conform to the shape of the vessel that contains it, so will a man follow the good and evil of his companions.--Imagawa Ryoshun _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
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-Caveat Lector- Euphorian spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it. To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk French court convicts Soros of insider trading Staff and agencies Friday December 20 2002 The Guardian A French court today convicted US billionaire investor George Soros of insider trading and fined him 2.2m euros. The fine by the court is the same amount the Hungarian-born magnate was accused of having made from buying stocks at French bank Soci#233;t#233; G#233;n#233;rale with insider knowledge 14 years ago. The fine was in line with the request by prosecutors. Mr Soros, 72, the president of Soros Fund Management, denies having privileged information. He was not in court today. In court testimony in November, Mr Soros said: I have been in business all my life, and I think I know what is insider trading and what isn't. Soci#233;t#233; G#233;n#233;rale was privatised in 1987. A year later, its stock price went up during an unsuccessful takeover bid. Mr Soros was accused of having obtained insider information before the abortive corporate raid pushed up the stock price. Mr Soros went on trial with two other men, Jean-Charles Naouri, a former top aide to France's then-finance minister Pierre Beregovoy, and Lebanese businessman Samir Traboulsi. The court cleared both men of any wrongdoing. Prosecutors had sought fines of 290,000 euros for Mr Naouri and 1.98m euros for Mr Traboulsi. Mr Soros has said he was interested in Soci#233;t#233; G#233;n#233;rale based on information he claims was widely known: France's leftist government of the time favoured takeovers to change the leadership at recently privatised companies. Mr Soros said he was buying stock in many companies and had no reason not to include Soci#233;t#233; G#233;n#233;rale. Afterward, he sold the stock, saying he felt the takeover attempt was politically motivated and was not going to benefit the company. Mr Soros was reportedly the first American to earn a billion dollars in a single year. Born in Budapest, Hungary, in 1930, he emigrated to the United States in 1956 and became a citizen five years later. He made his fortune managing investment funds. Forbes magazine ranked him this year as the 37th richest person in the world, with an estimated $6.9bn fortune. Prosecutors said the case dragged on because Swiss authorities took years to respond to requests for information. Defence lawyers argued unsuccessfully that the case should be thrown out because it took so long to bring to court. Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Euphorian spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it. To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk Bank 'fixed gold price for years' JP Morgan accused of manipulation David Teather, New York Thursday December 19 2002 The Guardian JP Morgan Chase has been named in a $2bn (#163;1.3bn) lawsuit alleging that the Wall Street bank conspired to manipulate the price of gold. The action against JP Morgan and Canadian mining group Barrick Gold has been filed by Blanchard and Co, the biggest retailer of the precious metal in the US. It alleges they dumped gold on to the market for years in order to suppress the price and allow them to reap billions in short-selling profits. New Orleans-based Blanchard is seeking restitution of the money for clients who buy its bullion and gold coins. It also alleges that, by keeping the price of gold low, Barrick, the second largest gold producer in the world, could buy other mining companies. The gold price, $350 an ounce, is at its highest for six years as nervousness about stock markets has sent investors looking for a safe harbour. But Blanchard chief executive Donald Doyle claims it would be higher without the alleged manipulation. Since the end of 1987, when the collaboration between Barrick and JP Morgan began, the growth of global income and wealth would have lifted the gold price to approximately $740 if it had been able to respond to the normal laws of supply and demand. The lawsuit alleges that in the past five years JP Morgan and Barrick injected millions of additional ounces of gold into the market, several times more than the annual production of every goldmine in South Africa, the world's largest producer. The suit also claims that, by using privately negotiated derivative contracts and concealing additional billions of dollars worth of physical gold with off balance sheet accounting, Barrick made it almost impossible to determine the size and impact of its trading position. Barrick dismissed the claims as ludicrous and totally without merit. It said the suit contains numerous factual inaccuracies and defamatory statements, adding that it would vigorously defend itself. The company is heavily involved in hedging its gold production - often selling a substantial portion before it is mined in a series of forward contracts to ensure it gets a certain price. It has also borrowed gold from bullion banks, including JP Morgan, to sell into the spot market and drive the price down. But it claims to have done so to prevent dramatic price swings. Other producers, such as Vancouver's Placer Dome and Newmont Mining, undertake similar hedging but critics have long cast a cynical eye over the activity. JP Morgan declined to comment. Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers yesterday both posted higher fourth-quarter earnings, after higher revenues from bond trading and tighter cost controls. But Morgan Stanley reported a 16% fall in profits as trading revenues dropped. All three investment banks have cut jobs and slashed bonuses as they wrestle with the downturn. Goldman reported fourth quarter profits of $505m, up 1.6% as cost cutting offset a 16% decline in revenues. Lehman's earnings, at $243m, up from $130m a year earlier, were the first improvement since the second quarter of 2001. Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Time to live...
-Caveat Lector- It's not Christians who deny numerology, just sane people of any ethnicity and religiosity. on 12/20/02 11:45 AM, John Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I can understand that most of those in the Christian Faith consider an explanation based upon calculations as numerology and are rejected out of hand. And after nearly 16 years full time 'number' study, I know a bit about numbers as signatures or identifiable patterns I call references. The skeptics say that what I do is no more than a contrived set of numbers seeking a predetermined result, and others detest numbers so much that they consider them tedious in the extreme and not worth a moment's consideration. -- To be nobody but yourself, in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle that any human being can fight--and never stop fighting. - e.e. cummings NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BBC NEWS | Americas | In pictures: World Trade Center plans
-Caveat Lector- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2587707.stm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gun-running Green Berets
-Caveat Lector- The Unconventional Warrior by LTC Daniel Marvin, USASF (ret) © 2002 Daniel Marvin Part 16: Gun-running Green Berets Dedember 9, 2002 By introducing facts gleaned from my personal experience and the documented actions or reactions of others involved I intend to, both in my writings on this forum and in books to be published, acquaint the reader with the harsh reality of lawlessness sponsored, condoned and even ordered by higher command, often in response to the political dictates of the White House. Perhaps as important as revealing criminal acts to the reader is the detailing of why it is that so few acts are reported and, once reported, why little or no action that is taken to investigate them. Few of those responsible for these particular criminal acts are prosecuted and punished, much less evidence secured or corroborated. In a nonfiction book, now in progress, titled Devious Elite, I will report instances of US military units or individuals intentionally breaking the law, committing crimes against humanity and taking actions prohibited by law or the commonly accepted rules of land warfare. In most cases, these illegal actions, though sometimes of a deadly nature, were directed by those who use military personnel, primarily unconventional warriors, to achieve preconceived objectives with little or no consideration for constitutional prerogatives. This true account of gun-running by military personnel assigned to Special Forces units in South Vietnam and Thailand in 1967 will be covered in detail in Devious Elite. Portions of this tragic record of illegal trafficking of military weapons will be referred to in Part Eighteen of this series Who Really Killed Martin Luther King, Jr.? inasmuch as it is probable that many of the 100+ military weapons illegally mailed to the United States were involved in government actions tailored to infiltrate and gain intelligence on Black militant organizations while, at the same time, providing sterile weapons to those involved in the scenario leading to and including the assassination of Dr. King. In the summer of 1967 I volunteered to fill an urgent requirement within the 46th Special Forces headquarters located in Lop Buri, Thailand where real trouble had been reported by a source whose identity was kept confidential, an individual who feared for his life should the CO in Thailand learn of his having reported an illegal activity to higher headquarters. Quotes shown below are taken from a 20 page interrogatory witness statement taken and recorded on 25 November 1968 at Mechanicburg, Pennsylvania and attested to by myself and Special Agent Donald D. Knutson of USAINTC, in accordance with Article 136, UCMJ, and witnessed by B.J. Leonard which related to the investigation I requested. ...I reported to the 46th at about 0100 hours on approximately 19 September 1967. ...Well, Rittenhouse [a sergeant who worked in the logistical support center which I had just assumed command of] came in and sat down in my office , talked to me, and he looked scared and Im sure he was. He wanted to tell me about an experience he had had that day, or the day before. On this matter, Rittenhouse explained to me that Buttler [Special Forces Captain Ernest Buttler, the officer I had asked to be investigated] had brought in a box of hold baggage to ship back to CONUS, and when Rittenhouse broke it open, removed the top from it to check and see what was in the box and to prepare it for inspection by CWO Gillis [unit customs inspector], he noted that there were some weapons inside the box . Specifically, Rittenhouse indicated that there were two carbines ... an M-1D rifle and a sniper scope. He called CWO Gillis, who immediately inspected the contents and informed Captain Buttler that he could not send them home in his hold baggage. Captain Buttler, later that day, brought a vehicle to the location where the guns were, put them in the back of the vehicle and took off. Rittenhouse then informed me that, previous to this incident, Buttler had shipped out approximately eighteen boxes of hold baggage, and that he and a Staff Sergeant Richard Sweatt, who also worked in the Property Book Office, ...felt that a lot of weapons had been shipped out in those eighteen boxes. I was told that Buttler had visited the 5th Special Forces in Vietnam and scrounged a lot of extra weapons; carbines, shotguns, M-1 rifles, M-1D rifles with scopes. After discussing this activity with CWO Gillis and my assistant, Captain Peter Crummey, and learning that Captain Buttler had already left Thailand enroute to CONUS with a wooden box of the same size and shape as the one that had been opened by Rittenhouse earlier that day, I called our commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Bartelt, reported the incident and asked that action be taken. The next morning I went to Bartelts office and we discussed this matter, and though he recognized that he was required to notify
Re: [CTRL] A Time to live...
-Caveat Lector- It's not Christians who deny numerology, just sane people of any ethnicity and religiosity. The human addiction to numbers is really quite pervasive. Numerology based on calendar dates would seem to require an accurate calendar and the same calendar for the entire planet. Neither exist, so it's difficult to see how the science of numerology applies. However, it can be entertaining for comparison purposes. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Death and Paris
-Caveat Lector- A touch of numerology of the transformation kind. Eiffel Tower and the Great Pyramid Built for the Universal Exhibition in celebration of the French Revolution centenary, the Eiffle Tower hoisting the flag to the top was inaugurated on March 31st 1889. Gustave Eiffel was assisted by, among others, Maurice Koechlin and Emile Nouguier as engineers and Stephen Sauvestre as architect. Studies of the project began in 1884. In spite of the contraversy raised in the public opinion its construction however began in 1887 and finished 26 months later in 1889. The metal tower was, in the first place, planned to be demolished only after the Universal Exhibition of 1900. Radio transmission experiences carried out by the French military before the deadline of the destruction plan finally saved the tower. From the ground to the flagpole its height was 1,024.5 feet (312.27m) in 1889, whereas without the flag pole it is 986 feet, (today 324 meters high with antennae). Owned by Paris local government and managed by a French private company Société Nouvelle d'Exploitation de la Tour Eiffel. http://parissweethome.com/eiffel.htm Now the volume of the Great Pyramid without the missing capstone is 91,575,000 cubic feet, + 650 cubic feet for the suggested volume of the capstone is 91,575,650 cubic feet. (For 650 cubic feet does 'wonderful' things to the pyramid). Now to contrive the volume of the First Wonder of the World with the Wonder of Europe, at 1,024.5 feet less the 38.5 feet flag pole is 986 feet, and so 1,024.5 feet + 986 feet is 2,010.5 feet is 670.17 yards. And increase the volume of the Great Pyramid to 9.1575650e+18 x 144 x 144 and /Pi twice is 1.9240e+22 and squared twice x 20 and square root 5 times x 3 feet is 2,010.50009 feet. That is one way to form the Great Pyramid, the symbol of Death into the Iron Pillar. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Time to live...
-Caveat Lector- Not nearly as entertaining as watching true believers jump through hoops to make the numbers work on 12/20/02 11:57 AM, Dale Stonehouse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- It's not Christians who deny numerology, just sane people of any ethnicity and religiosity. The human addiction to numbers is really quite pervasive. Numerology based on calendar dates would seem to require an accurate calendar and the same calendar for the entire planet. Neither exist, so it's difficult to see how the science of numerology applies. However, it can be entertaining for comparison purposes. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om - -- --- - You should view the world as a conspiracy run by a very closely-knit group of nearly omnipotent people, and you should think of those people as yourself and your friends. --Robert Anton Wilson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Counting Down...
-Caveat Lector- More numerology. The Bible's Book of Numbers get in the Act Now to one side of the Israelite Camp Three Tribes under One Standard Thus the tribe of Ephraim at 40,500 men The tribe of Manasseh at 32,200 men And the tribe of Benjamin at 35,400 men So the west side camp of three tribes had 108,100 men. Ephraim and the Church The tribe of Ephraim at 405,000 men x 1,000,000 is 12 times x 3,375,000,000 that is the Bible's New Jerusalem at 1500 x 1500 x 1500 miles. The tribe of Manasseh at 32,200 has the Order of the Illuminati and the Skull and Bones reference '322' . The Unicorn and the Sun and Moon. The reference for the Unicorn is as a white horse at 336 days gestation + the horn at 23 is 359, that is six months or 182 days of the Sun in Hades at 364 days per annual cycle and six months or 177 days of the Moon in Hades at a cycle of 354 days, according to the Book of Enoch, hence the Unicorn is truly a magnificent beast. And the tribe of Benjamin at 35,400 men shows the Moon in Hades. The Prophet Enoch mentions specifically about the three cycles of the Sun at 364 days x 3 is 1092. (And 364 has the value in Hebrew for 'Satan') and the Great Pyramid at 91,575,000cuft has a reciprocal of 1.092001092e-08, so a reference of 1092. And so three Unicorns at 359 x 3 at 1077 and increased to 107,700,000 less the Altar of Abomination, the G.P. at 91,575,000cu.ft x 8 is 129,000,000 and 1290 days is the reference for the setting up of the 'Altar of Abomination'. The Dead - Red Sea So there are 108,100 men were under the banner of Ephraim in the second year of the Exodus. And the United Nations gave the New State of Israel an area of 7,992.6 square miles, with 108.10 square miles that of the area of the Dead Sea, given as 355 square miles in total. And 7,992.6 x 108.1 is 6 x 144,000 and 13 x 144,000 days is the Mayan Long Count, that shows the Age of the Jaguar ends on December 21st 2012. Now the reference for male human blood is 227. St. Peter's Basilica is not 227,000 square feet, a foundation in blood. And the tribe of Ephraim at 108,100 + 108,100 + 10,810 is 227,010. So allowing for an extra 10, one could say that Rome was a touch into Replacement Theology with the help of the United Nations, to ensure the 'correct' area for the new State of Israel, where Israel's Dead Sea is a very 'Red Sea' using the tribes of Ephraim. And 10 is One Ring and... so to the Lord of the Ring... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A New World Board Game
-Caveat Lector- For those who like numbers:-) The New World Board Game I am considering a new board game where each of the players uses a pocket calculator to decode the appropriate number for the 17 specific picture squares, with the penultimate square no.125 having a horrific photograph of the flames emitted from one of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. The winner is the first person to arrive at square no.126, the reference for the 'Lamp of Liberty Enlightening the World'. Board games were played by the Ancient Egyptians and go back to at least the Pyramid Age. One of these games was known as 'Dogs and Jackals' (my references 63 x 63) and somewhat similar to our 'Snakes and Ladders'. The 'Game of the Goose' became widely known in late 16th century Europe, and later King Louis XIII of France played it as a child, the Grande Dauphin made it into a game of gambling at Versailles. A game based upon the 'Game of the Goose' was first published in London in the early Victorian era, called the 'Game of the Golden Goose'. This game is played along a serpentine course of 63 squares and the winner is the first player to reach 63, (x 2 is 126). Another game with the '63' label is the French 'Game of the Good Children' where the winner lands on space 63 on which is printed a banquet table. And yet another game with label '63' is the French game produced in 1791 called the 'French Revolution' and the first player who reaches 'The Palladium of Liberty'. So a reference for 'Liberty' is 63. Another 18th century game is the 'Game of the Snake' and this too has the label '63' for having done your step by step pilgrimage inside the serpentine serpent, the winner is the person who enters first into the Garden. So the 'Board Game 63' was a popular choice and played by countless people, countless times. And consecutive numbering, 1 + 2 + 3 + 4. + 34 + 35 = 630 whereas 36 = 666. And 630 is the label for the jackal headed war god Set, the uncle of Horus and Anubis, the Funeral Director, the Navigator also has the number 63, and the Navigator is a Pilot. Also Uncle Set's number 63 consecutively added is 2,016 or 16 lots of 1,260 the reference for his nephew, the falcon headed god Horus. Each player is given 4 tokens of the same color. One is placed on the start square and the others are held in reserve and used only if the player fails within the ten minute time period allotted to establish the specific code number for a particular picture square. A player roles the dice and if the player lands on a picture square a calculation will be required to find the code number for the date of the event shown. To assist the players they can ask for a 'Clue Card' but the penalty will be the loss of a role of the dice and so misses a turn. And the player needs to consider that there maybe time variables with the event and so should calculate with this in mind. The Knights Templar For example, the first picture on square no.6, relates to the arrest of the Order of the Knights Templar on October 13th AD1307 and the punishment for many knights was death by burning, and this included the Grand Master Jacques de Molay who died by fire on March 18th AD1314. The Order of the Knights Templar are said never to have forgiven or forgot what happened to their Order. So the arrest of the knights of the Order of the Knights Templar throughout France was coordinated for the morning of October 13th AD1307, and I assume that it was at 7am. So October 13th is day 285 of the year + 7 hours is 285.91667 days and /365.242198 days + AD1307 is 1307.7811026. The burning to death of the Grand Master Jacques de Molay could have been at about 3pm (the time Christ died), on March 18th 1314. And by using 2.46pm the result is 1314.209767 and added to 1307.7811026 is 2621.99080869 and the answer is found by deducting the number for the 'Skull' at 322, (the Old Dragon), and the balance x Pi twice is 22,700 the reference for 'Blood' (and the god Jupiter). So the answer for square no.6 is the Skull at 322 and Blood at 227 and 322 + 227 is 549 which the Falcon masked god Horus at 610, the merciless killer of the sky, less 10% at 549 (or 61 x 9). For Horus at 610 is the Feathered Serpent, the Serpent at 170 and the great Eagle at 440. So maybe, the Pope of the Catholic Church at that time who assisted the French King in the arrest, trial and punishment of the Knights Templar was giving us the code numbers for the Order by the choice of two dates. Jupiter is 227 x 30 at 6810 x 6810 x 6810 and /40 is 88,856.80 miles x 88,856.80 miles the equatorial diameter of the planet Jupiter at 143,00km. And the Roman Catholic Church came to like the number 227 for the 16th century St. Peter's Basilica is 227,000 square feet, where the red cardinals walk on blood so to speak. I should mention that the Order of Knights Templar used the reference number 59 in their church in the City of London, the Church of the Virgin Mary, Temple Inn, a church with an unusual
[CTRL] Smallpox Test Results
-Caveat Lector- Smallpox Vaccine Test Results from Baylor University Foreword by Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H. The following article by Jon Rappoport is the first I've seen reporting the harmful and possibly devastating effects of the Bush administration's rapidly advancing smallpox vaccination program. These results were previously predicted as expected outcomes by this author and many, many others. I interject this foreword to alert you to the additional support cited below for the thesis raised earlier that the smallpox vaccination program is part of a genocidal agenda facilitated by the Bush administration's War on Terrorism and their current efforts to immunize the population against smallpox and later anthrax. In reality, this policy aims to induce chronic illness, additional healthcare expenditures (including pharmaceutical sales) and, ultimately, population reduction in America. Given the information below, and far more published elsewhere, this is certainly the anticipated outcome of this preventative plan for homeland insecurity. The additional support, I refer to, comes from identifying Baylor University as among the sites for this initial study. The following information was compiled for the book Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse (Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 1999; www.tetrahedron.org; 1-888-508-4787) by this author along with Dr. Joseph Puleo. Based on reputable sources, Past President George H. W. Bush's Secretary of State, James Baker III (Florida vote scam overseer for the current president), was reported to have owned part of the vaccine manufacturing company against whom ailing Gulf War veterans had filed a lawsuit. Moreover, Mr. Bush is said to have been a major shareholder in that company-Tanox Biosystems of Houston. It is also well known that this past president, father to the current president, has served in an official capacity at Baylor University for some time. Not long before becoming CIA director, certain intelligence regarding Tanox's collaborative studies with Baylor College of Medicine concerning Mycoplasma infections and related vaccinations was available to the elder Bush. Tanox was also closely linked to Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, who, under employment by The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, isolated and patented a Pathogenic Mycoplasma originally taken from an AIDS patient, that somehow contaminated many of the vaccines given to allied military personnel traveling to the Middle East in lieu of Operation Desert Storm. Only the French soldiers who did not receive the American made vaccines did not develop GWS during this earlier war with Iraq. Further, what would seem inconceivable without seeing the documents reprinted in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, Tanox and Baylor College of Medicine first tested their Mycoplasma-infected vaccines on Huntsville, TX prisoners. As a result, the prisoners, and others in the community with whom the prisoners made contact, developed GWS long before the Gulf War. Thus, GWS could have been, and probably was, predicted and effected. Furthermore, evidence compiled by lawyers for the class of people sickened by Mycoplasma incognitas and related illnesses, from Huntsville, Texas, revealed more astonishing documents. These, also published in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, showed that Baylor College of Medicine investigators collaborated on studies of vaccinated Huntsville prison inmates beginning in 1968. Mycoplasma inoculations, as well as Mycoplasma vaccination studies, were listed as having begun in 1970 under U.S. Army contracts. Incredibly, Baylor's contract literally raised the specter of ethnic cleansing or racial genocide as it proved cervical cancer studies comparing Christian versus Muslim women, as well as Jewish versus Black women, were in progress. Thus, to have this Bush administration authorized smallpox vaccine study be conducted at Baylor, where the senior Bush has served in an official capacity, with imput from the Tanox-linked College of Medicine is chilling. This is especially so considering the fact that today, unlike the early 1970s when the early Mycoplasma studies began, Mycoplasma is now considered among the most common vaccine contaminants. It is also currently linked to the recent onset of pandemic Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome and many other illnesses, including certain expressions of HIV/AIDS. In conclusion, as I wrote elsewhere and said often, if you see first responders coming to inoculate you with cow pus, which is virtually what the smallpox vaccination is in its purest unadulterated form, run away and hide. Monday, December 09, 2002 Projections: If Smallpox Vaccine given US Population (283 million) 71,000 Dead, 3,396 Crippled With Encephalitis, 18,678 Critically Injured, 140 million get ill Self-Bioterrorism By Defunct Scientific Paradigm? CDC Already Afraid of Lawsuits Military and First Responders Are The First In Line (1 million) Covert
[CTRL] Why they hate me: An Arab student speaks out
-Caveat Lector- This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows. To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30101 Friday, December 20, 2002 Why they hate me: An Arab student speaks out Posted: December 20, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Oubai Shahbandar © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com Whoever said that the university stands as a pillar of civilization has obviously never been to Arizona State. Arizona's public universities, now infamous for their broad progressive curricula composed of subjects to the likes of queer pulp fiction, postmodern pornography and special workshops on sex workers, have always been a string of lone islands surrounded by a reality that remains alien to the hermitic Marxists lying within their academic workings. There is indeed a dark underside lurking beneath the trite silliness of academic department heads who for the most part missed out on the latest social and political developments of the 20th century (Pardon my boorishness professor, but didn't we win the Cold War?). The nature of the story that I am about to tell can be best described by paraphrasing an old 17th-century adage: Hate doth never prosper, for if it prosper, none dare call it hate. How true were those words to prove within the confines of what I had perceived to be an institution where truth and freedom of thought were all that mattered. I was wrong for my naivete, I paid dearly. It all began last year when, immediately following the terror attacks of 9-11, a slew of teach-ins were held sponsored in part by university funds imploring fellow ASU students to understand the reasoning behind 9-11. This, in turn, became a series of hour-long sessions dedicated to educating the students on how imperialism and America's lack of concern for international social justice led to the horrific attacks. In essence, we were being sold the seditious lie that it was America's fault, that the terrorists were merely reacting to far greater atrocities on our part. Never mind the fact that countless Arab and Muslim families like mine found refuge in the freedom and prosperity that this great nation bestowed upon them. Never mind the fact that no other Arab country on earth could provide my family the same luxuries and liberties that they enjoy now as American citizens. I, as most people do, see this nation of ours as being fundamentally good and generous to those that have come to seek refuge from the tyranny and oppression plaguing the majority of humanity. The fact that my university was actively sponsoring an educational environment where that very goodness was being vilified and defamed, frankly, revolted and enraged me. I had made a decision: This injustice being played out in front of my eyes could not be allowed to continue something must be done. I owed that, at the very least, to my country. In my position as chairman of the student government finance committee, I introduced a bill before the full student senate that effectively left a slew of student-government-sponsored funds that went to fund these acts of hate financially impotent (this action in itself was really more symbolic, if anything, as Arizona State continues to fund in the latest count nearly $250,000 the Multicultural Student Center and Campus Environment Team which finances the bulk of the anti- American teach-ins and guest lecturers). My unwavering stand against these institutional forces that, in my opinion, threatened to take our country back to a darker time of segregation and state-sponsored hate had turned me into a persona non grata to radical, leftist student organizations and university administrators alike. It all began when the president of the campus Young Socialists, Fabricio Rodriguez, being the grand pooh-bah of the proletariat that he was, accosted me outside my student-government office, threatening that I had better watch my back in front of a half dozen witnesses. The university took no action. Later, I discovered that my car's gas tank had been tampered with so much sugar was poured in that it totally destroyed my car and posed a serious hazard to anyone driving the car at the time. Grave physical harm could have resulted had I not discovered this cowardly act in time. How could this be? Was this the Twilight Zone? Was a true real live American Arab Muslim facing possible bodily harm and acts of oppression in a post 9-11 world, and no one from one of the most traditionally liberal institutions in American history was willing to come to his aid? But, wait, it gets worse. A couple of months following the 9-11 attacks, a handful of conservative friends and I stood outside the student commons playing patriotic music on loudspeakers (during the allotted time for amplification that the university mandates) and handing out literature decrying the pacifistic overtones being constantly echoed by university professors and progressive activists. We hadn't
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- Several questions. If pagans were the larger organized group, why didn't the pagan community just absorb the smaller group of Christians? Why was there so much persecution of the pagans by Constantine if paganism was what was favored? Is paganism making a comeback thru the gradual transition of Christmas to Winter Holidays, as they are celebrated in the atheistic Soviet Union? Why no balance in the article by using scholarship from the Catholic Encyclopedia on this topic? In any reasonable discussion, Catholics would speak for Catholic beliefs and pagans should speak for pagan beliefs. The religion of Christianity has historically been used as a mass murderous coercive weapon (as have most religions) to further the control and power of the elite. Considering the bloody history of Christianity (originally an Unorthodox Jewish Sect) with its mass murders of millions of people it is quite laughable to read the opinions of those who brand Mohammedism as a particuarly violent belief. The heritage of Judeo-Christianianty (and to a lesser degree Mohammedism) is blood, death and destruction. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- Zuukie: I guess you never learned about the persecution of the Christians in the early years, and it wasn't the Jews who were persecuting them. You might want to look up catacombs and games in the Roman stadium. However you didn't answer any of the questions. It is obvious that the pagans outnumbered the Christians in the early days. FLW: From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of flw The heritage of Judeo-Christianianty (and to a lesser degree Mohammedism) is blood, death and destruction. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Trent Lott Resigns
-Caveat Lector- --- Start of forwarded message --- From: NewsMax.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NewsMax.com News Alert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: NewsMax.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Trent Lott Resigns Date: 12/20/02 11:14:32 AM Statement of Trent Lott In the interest of pursuing the best possible agenda for the future of our country, I will not seek to remain as majority leader of the United States Senate for the 108th Congress, effective January 6, 2003. To all those who offered me their friendship, support and prayers I will be eternally grateful. I will continue to serve the people of Mississippi in the United States Senate. For continuing coverage go to NewsMax.com http://www.newsmax.com a href=http://www.newsmax.com; AOL Users Click Here /a Editor's Note: Angry with the media's handling of this matter? Who will be the next Majority Leader? Your opinion counts! Send an urgent PriorityGram to top officials and media -- Click here: http://www.newsmax.com/prioritygram a href=http://www.newsmax.com/prioritygram; AOL Users Click Here /a TO ADVERTISE** For information on advertising at NewsMax.com please contact Corrine McNurlin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 888-766-7542. TO SUBSCRIBE** If this News Alert has been forwarded to you and you would like a subscription, please visit http://NewsMax.com/email.shtml a href=http://NewsMax.com/email.shtml; AOL users click here /a Sign up for free e-mail alerts today! For a NewsMax magazine subscription, visit: http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag_subscribe/ a href=http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag_subscribe/; AOL users click here /a * * p We'd like to thank you for subscribing to www.NewsMax.com e-mail alerts. p You are currently subscribed to newsmax as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p To unsubscribe, go to: br http://www.newsmaxstore.com/unsub/index.cfm?to=leave-newsmax- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] br Or a href=http://www.newsmaxstore.com/unsub/index.cfm?to=leave-newsmax- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Click Here/a End of forwarded message URL: ~~~ AER + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; everything sent has to stand on its own merits, not on my recommendation. Some are true, some are absurd. It's up to you to decide which is which. Yet, some truths become absurd; some adsurdities turn out to be true, unbelievably so. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] t r u t h o u t - List Of US Firms That Armed Iraq Household Names
-Caveat Lector- http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/12.21A.us.firms.iraq.htm (*Editors Note | How can our White House go before the UN Security Council holding in one hand an accusation against Iraq of deception for failure to be forthcoming and in the other hand a report edited to protect US and other Western Corporations from scrutiny for roles in arming Iraq. It is absolute hypocrisy. How can our government hope to retain any credibility? Why is the White House protecting these corporations. How can we support war on these terms? -- ma.) Go To Original List Of US Firms That Armed Iraq Household Names Democracy Now! Wednesday, 18 December, 2002 Top-secret Iraq Report Reveals U.S. Corporations, Gov't Agencies and Nuclear Labs Helped Illegally Arm Iraq Hewlett Packard, Dupont, Honeywell and other major U.S. corporations, as well as governmental agencies including the Department of Defense and the nation s nuclear labs, all illegally helped Iraq to build its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programs. On Wednesday, December 18, Geneva-based reporter Andreas Zumach broke the story on the US national listener-sponsored radio and television show Democracy Now! Zumach's Berlin-based paper Die Tageszeitung plans to soon publish a full list of companies and nations who have aided Iraq. The paper first reported on Tuesday that German and U.S. companies had extensive ties to Iraq but didn t list names. Zumach obtained top-secret portions of Iraq's 12,000-page weapons declaration that the US had redacted from the version made available to the non-permanent members of the UN Security Council. We have 24 major U.S. companies listed in the report who gave very substantial support especially to the biological weapons program but also to the missile and nuclear weapons program, Zumach said. Pretty much everything was illegal in the case of nuclear and biological weapons. Every form of cooperation and supplies was outlawed in the 1970s. The list of U.S. corporations listed in Iraq's report include Hewlett Packard, DuPont, Honeywell, Rockwell, Tectronics, Bechtel, International Computer Systems, Unisys, Sperry and TI Coating. Zumach also said the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, Commerce, and Agriculture quietly helped arm Iraq. U.S. government nuclear weapons laboratories Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia trained traveling Iraqi nuclear scientists and gave non- fissile material for construction of a nuclear bomb. There has never been this kind of comprehensive layout and listing like we have now in the Iraqi report to the Security Council so this is quite new and this is especially new for the U.S. involvement, which has been even more suppressed in the public domain and the U.S. population, Zumach said. The names of companies were supposed to be top secret. Two weeks ago Iraq provided two copies of its full 12,000-page report, one to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Geneva, and one to the United Nations in New York. Zumach said the U.S. broke an agreement of the Security Council and blackmailed Colombia, which at the time was presiding over the Council, to take possession of the UN s only copy. The U.S. then proceeded to make copies of the report for the other four permanent Security Council nations, Britain, France, Russia and China. Only yesterday did the remaining members of the Security Council receive their copies. By then, all references to foreign companies had been removed. According to Zumach, only Germany had more business ties to Iraq than the U.S. As many as 80 German companies are also listed in Iraq's report. The paper reported that some German companies continued to do business with Iraq until last year. US Corporations named in Iraqi Report : 1 Honeywell 2 Spectra Physics 3 Semetex 4 TI Coating 5 Unisys 6 Sperry Corp. 7 Tektronix 8 Rockwell 9 Leybold Vacuum Systems 10 Finnigan-MAT-US 11 Hewlett-Packard 12 Dupont 13 Eastman Kodak 14 American Type Culture Collection 15 Alcolac International 16 Consarc 17 Carl Zeiss 18 Cerberus 19 Electronic Associates 20 International Computer Systems 21 Bechtel 22 EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. 23 Canberra Industries Inc. 24 Axel Electronics Inc. (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.) © : t r u t h o u t 2002 | t r u t h o u t | forum | issues | editorial | letters | donate | contact | | voting rights | environment | budget | children | politics | indigenous survival | |energy | | defense | health | economy | human rights | labor | trade | women | reform | global | A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] Scoop: The Companies That Armed Iraq With WMDs (Expanded)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00126.htm News Features My Scoop About Scoop Scoops | Parliament | Politics | Monitor | World | Business | Sci-Tech | Culture | Education | Regional | General | The Companies That Armed Iraq With WMDs Friday, 20 December 2002, 3:40 pm Article: Democracy Now Top-secret Iraq Report Reveals U.S. Corporations, Gov't Agencies and Nuclear Labs Helped Illegally Arm Iraq *** A Democracy Now! exclusive *** From: http://www.democracynow.org/Zumach.htm Hewlett Packard, Dupont, Honeywell and other major U.S. corporations, as well as governmental agencies including the Department of Defense and the nations nuclear labs, all illegally helped Iraq to build its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programs. On Wednesday, December 18, Geneva-based reporter Andreas Zumach broke the story on the US national listener-sponsored radio and television show Democracy Now! Zumachs Berlin-based paper Die Tageszeitung plans to soon publish a full list of companies and nations who have aided Iraq. The paper first reported on Tuesday that German and U.S. companies had extensive ties to Iraq but didnt list names. Zumach obtained top-secret portions of Iraqs 12,000-page weapons declaration that the US had redacted from the version made available to the non-permanent members of the UN Security Council. Key Links: Listen to Democracy Now!'s December 18 interview w/ Zumach Read translated copies of Zumach's articles - And Mirrored on Scoop Read complete list of U.S. and other foreign corporations - And Mirrored on Scoop Die Tageszeitung We have 24 major U.S. companies listed in the report who gave very substantial support especially to the biological weapons program but also to the missile and nuclear weapons program, Zumach said. Pretty much everything was illegal in the case of nuclear and biological weapons. Every form of cooperation and supplies was outlawed in the 1970s. The list of U.S. corporations listed in Iraq's report include Hewlett Packard, DuPont, Honeywell, Rockwell, Tectronics, Bechtel, International Computer Systems, Unisys, Sperry and TI Coating. Zumach also said the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, Commerce, and Agriculture quietly helped arm Iraq. U.S. government nuclear weapons laboratories Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia trained traveling Iraqi nuclear scientists and gave non- fissile material for construction of a nuclear bomb. There has never been this kind of comprehensive layout and listing like we have now in the Iraqi report to the Security Council so this is quite new and this is especially new for the U.S. involvement, which has been even more suppressed in the public domain and the U.S. population, Zumach said. The names of companies were supposed to be top secret. Two weeks ago Iraq provided two copies of its full 12,000-page report, one to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Geneva, and one to the United Nations in New York. Zumach said the U.S. broke an agreement of the Security Council and blackmailed Colombia, which at the time was presiding over the Council, to take possession of the UNs only copy. The U.S. then proceeded to make copies of the report for the other four permanent Security Council nations, Britain, France, Russia and China. Only yesterday did the remaining members of the Security Council receive their copies. By then, all references to foreign companies had been removed. According to Zumach, only Germany had more business ties to Iraq than the U.S. As many as 80 German companies are also listed in Iraqs report. The paper reported that some German companies continued to do business with Iraq until last year. Translations of Andreas Zumach's articles from the Berlin-based newspaper Die Tageszeitung that outline the contents of Iraq's top secret weapons report Democracy Nows Editors Note: These are informal translations of Andreas Zumach's articles. The full articles in German can be read at http:// www.taz.de/ From: http://www.democracynow.org/Zumach2.htm 12/17/02: The report of the Iraqi government submitted to council last weekend contains names of more than 80 German companies, several private publicly financed laboratories, as well as many individual German individuals who, since the second half of the 1970s, delivered complete construction sites, parts, ground substances, and technical know-how for Saddam Hussein's programs to develop nuclear, chemical biological weapons, and ballistic missiles, as well as documenting the delivery of complete conventional weapons. According to the report, in some cases the cooperation, at least in the conventional area, continued till at least the year 2001. This information stems from chapters of the Iraq report that contains relevant information on international procurement cooperation, in all four sections (chemical, biological, nuclear missiles). According to info from close associates
[CTRL] Mirror.co.uk - Voice of the Mirror
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mirror.co.uk/voiceofthemirror/ BUSH'S RACE TO WAR PUTS WORLD AT RISK THE day has been marked in President Bush's diary. January 27, 2003. The date when he will decide on war against Iraq. But no one really believes that a big decision will be taken in the White House on that day. The die was cast long ago. Mr Bush and the warmongers in his cabinet want a war against Saddam Hussein. They say they must stop him because he has weapons of mass destruction. But only one leader has weapons of mass destruction and plans to use them. His name is George W Bush and it is he who must be stopped. What he plans to do against Iraq will not save lives or make peace. It will destabilise the world and threaten thousands, possibly millions. President Bush is determined to go to war to demonstrate to the United States' rednecks that he is committed to the war on terrorism launched after 9/11. Yesterday the Americans declared that Iraq is in material breach - the key words - of United Nations resolutions. Not even the British government went that far. Though Jack Straw came close to it and will doubtless take the short step to stand shoulder-to- shoulder with Mr Bush. But they must be stopped. Before this mad, dangerous war is begun. The cost in human life could be enormous. It would far outweigh the current threat from Saddam. It is true that weapons of mass destruction should not be allowed in the wrong hands. But they are. They are in President Bush's. That is the greatest threat facing the world. Spike the guns BEFORE Labour came to power in 1997, it promised to crack down on arms dealers. Instead it has allowed the trade in death to spin out of control. Although there are restrictions on arms exports from this country, nothing is done to prevent UK dealers plying their murderous trade abroad. The Daily Mirror is partnering Oxfam in a campaign to highlight the abuses and persuade the government to close the loopholes. Thousands of people are dying because of armed conflicts. It shames this country that we play a part in providing the killing machines. They're a credit DAVID and Victoria Beckham can be accused of many things. But it is ridiculous to blame them for the massive increase in consumer spending. Credit is cheap, access to it is easy and people want nice things. So they buy them. That isn't the Beckhams' fault. And the report that blames them is talking nonsense. Top A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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U.S. unable to sideline Germany
U.N. Security Council refuses to kowtow to Washington over next chair of Iraq Sanctions
Committee
By Aaron Kirchfeld
The United States failed to disqualify Germany as the next chair of the Iraq Sanctions
Committee after France
and Russia rejected alternative U.S. recommendations, a U.N. diplomat said on
Wednesday,
making it likely that Germany will head the committee that oversees the oil-for-food
program that regulates Iraq's imports and exports.
In the halls of the United Nations, Chile was not really considered a realistic
option to chair
the Iraq Sanctions Committee, and Spain is set on leading the Counterterrorism
Committee
because of its own domestic problems, the U.N. diplomat told F.A.Z. Weekly,
referring to
the two candidates the United States had endorsed as alternatives to Germany.
U.N. and U.S. diplomats said the United States would not endorse Germany's bid to chair
the Iraq Sanctions Committee, apparently because of the countries' conflicting policy
toward
Iraq and German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's refusal to commit to military involvement
in a U.S.-led war to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
U.N. Security Council members refused to back Washington's bid to instal Chile as the
head of the Iraq Sanctions Committee, because committee chairmanship is traditionally
passed to countries within the same region, the U.N. official told F.A.Z. Weekly.
Diplomats
expect the Security Council to replace current chairman Norway with Germany, which
held
the same post in the mid-1990s.
Asked about possible differences between the United States and Germany on how sanctions
are implemented against Iraq, the diplomat said, Germany has supported Security
Council
efforts to fine-tune and reshape the sanctions to minimize collateral damage.
A German Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said the ministry had no official notice that
Washington opposed Germany's chairmanship. Germany is prepared to assume leadership
of the Iraq sanctions committee and will, at the very least, be involved with the
committee,
she said.
I don't see why there would be any preprogrammed conflict between the United States
and Germany, Green party Iraq expert Reinhard Weisshuhn told F.A.Z. Weekly, referring
to
possible conflicting views of the sanctions on Iraq.
Germany is Iraq's 20th-largest trade partner. German companies have had trade volume of
$419 million with Baghdad through the sanctions program since the beginning of 1997,
according to U.N. diplomats.
Weisshuhn also said his party, which governs in a coalition with the Social Democrats,
is
generally in favor of the oil-for-food program, which allows Iraq to trade oil for
food,
medical supplies and other civilian goods under the general embargo against trade with
Iraq, imposed by the U.N. Security Council after Iraq invaded neighboring Kuwait in
August
1990.
Both the Greens and SPD have expressed their support of the changes to the sanctions'
criteria earlier this year by the Security Council because they specify more clearly
which
goods can and cannot be exported.
But U.S. and U.N. officials reported initial resistance to German chairmanship in
Washington, since the White House fears that Schröder's government may challenge U.S.
policy on Iraq. The decision on who will replace Norway will be made at the beginning
of
next year.
This is not the first time that the United States has been opposed to German
leadership of a
U.N. committee on Iraq. Hans von Sponeck, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for Iraq
between late 1998 and early 2000, stepped down under pressure from the United States
after he strongly criticized the sanctions as being a true human tragedy that needs
to be
ended.
Sponeck has recently co-authored a 60-page report on the U.N. Security Council
Sanctions,
which accuses the United States and Britain of ignoring the consequences of the
embargo,
which the report says include death caused by poverty, malnutrition and inadequate
medical
care as well as hindering the country's inability to rebuild after the Gulf War.
The main problem is that some export goods needed for medical treatment and
infrastructure repair and construction can potentially be used to produce weapons, the
report says. These goods, which include mundane items such as plastic bags, are
regularly
knocked off the export list by the sanctions committee.
Meanwhile, Berlin's daily Tages- zeitung has reported that Iraq's 12,000-page report
on its
weapons program lists over 80 German companies that have delivered equipment, parts,
basic materials and technological know-how to Iraq that could be used for the
development
of atomic, chemical and biological weapons.
Tageszeitung also reported that despite the fact that most of
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Thank Luther
By Elise Kissling
Christ may have been born on Christmas Day, but here in Germany people celebrate on the
24th. This is a
sorry situation for expats, since everything is over before it's supposed to begin:
presents,
goose, the works. Christmas is referred to by its bureaucratic name: the first
holiday, a
reference to the two work-free days following the 24th.
Stocking stuffers are unpacked weeks in advance on a special holiday called Nikolaus
Day.
But how can you read your kids Dickens' A Christmas Carol under these circumstances?
Twas three weeks before Christmas and all through the house. Or: The boots were all
lined up in front of the door with care in the hopes that Saint Nikolaus soon would...
There's more. While the festivities have been pushed forward, the Christmas tree is
put up
just hours before the children dive for their presents. While the tree is receiving
its holiday
face lift, the kids are banned to their rooms, sometimes for hours.
You see, it's not Santa who brings the presents to German children but the Christ Child
himself. This, anyone will tell you, is authentically German and supposedly less
commercial
and more in tune with the real spirit of the holiday season than that big red man
Uncle Sam
is trying to push on the rest of the world.
Admittedly, the prevalent image of Santa Claus, designed and marketed by Coca Cola in
the
last century, is gaudier than the slender image of the Christ Child that most German
children have in their heads (there is no uniform picture of the Christ Child; it's
left to the
imagination), but did the Swiss really have to start a grass roots movement to get rid
of
Santa?
In reality, it's the Christ Child who did away with Santa, not the other way around,
and it
happened right here in Germany during the Reformation. When Martin Luther exiled the
saints he also banned Ol' Saint Nick. But since children protested against losing their
presents, Luther gave them the Christ Child, a figure borrowed from the French!
Ironically, the biggest proponents of the Christ Child today are Catholic. Many
Protestants
have readily exchanged the elusive angel-like figure for the hearty man from the North
Pole.
After all, they'll tell you, the Christ Child is a Catholic invention.
Dec. 6, 2002
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-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] French Court Fines Soros for Insider Trading December 20, 2002 By JOHN TAGLIABUE PARIS, Dec. 20 - In a bizarre ending to a 14-year-old investigation, a French court today convicted the American financier George Soros of insider trading and fined him 2.2 million euros, or about $2.3 million. The verdict by the three-member bench came after a prosecutor recommended during a hearing last month that, at the minimum, Mr. Soros be fined 2.2 million euros, the sum he is accused of having earned on what officials say were illegal transactions. In a statement, Mr. Soros, who was in New York today, reiterated his belief that the charges against him were `'unfounded and without merit and said he was astonished and dismayed by the court's ruling. Declaring that he would appeal the decision to the highest level necessary, Mr. Soros said, At no point was I in possession of inside information regarding Société Générale. Michael Vachon, a spokesman for Mr. Soros, who was in New York when the court announced its decision, said by phone from New York today that Mr. Soros is sort of taking it in. It is a shock, he said. Two other defendants, Jean-Charles Naouri, 53, a former senior official in the France's Finance Ministry, and Samir Traboulsi, 64, a French citizen of Lebanese origin, were acquitted. The prosecutor had recommended fines for both men. Mr. Soros is best known for his wildly successful investing but also for his philanthropy, most notably in formerly Communist Eastern Europe. In the 1980's, he acquired stakes valued at about $50 million in four formerly state-owned companies in France, including the bank Société Générale. The stakes were purchased in 1988 for Mr. Soros's Quantum Fund. The case drew interest here partly because of Mr. Soros's image as the paradigm of the free-wheeling financier and partly because it illustrated some of the anomalies of financial oversight in France. The case dates back to the privatization by a center-right government in 1987 of Société Générale, a major French banking company that was until then government owned. The following year, a Socialist-led government returned to office and sought to regain control of the bank. Sensing an opportunity for gain, while assisting their political allies, a group of investors around the French financier Georges Pebereau devised a scheme to acquire control of the bank, sending its share price soaring. Mr. Pebereau's raid was ultimately unsuccessful, but in September 1988 an associate of Mr. Pebereau informed Mr. Soros in a telephone conversation of the planned bid, according to testimony to the court. Mr. Soros's lawyers argued that the information Mr. Soros received was not sufficiently confidential to substantiate the charge of insider trading. Moreover, they argued that until new legislation relating to insider trading was enacted in 1990, the offense was limited to employees purchasing shares in their own companies. Lawyers for Mr. Soros said the case could be appealed in France and to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. One of their strongest arguments would be the length of the proceedings. In the past, cases that have dragged on for as few as five years have been overturned by European courts on appeal. In an appearance before the court in November, Mr. Soros said: `'I have been in business all my life, and I think I know what is insider trading, and what isn't. Today's ruling marked the first time that Mr. Soros has been convicted of financial misdeeds. In 1979, he signed a consent decree with the Securities and Exchange Commission in a civil proceeding relating to his purchase of shares in an American computer manufacturer that was about to issue fresh shares of stock. S.E.C. officials contended that Mr. Soros had sold shares to push down the price of the new shares; Mr. Soros acknowledged no wrongdoing but agreed not to engage in similar practices in the future. While the case drew attention because of Mr. Soros's notoriety in financial circles, it was also seen as illustrative of the ill-functioning of financial control and the court system in France. Prosecutors replied to criticism of the extraordinary lapse of time between the events and the court trial by pointing to delays in obtaining financial documentation relating to the trial from other European countries, notably Switzerland. In fact, Mr. Pebereau's unsuccessful bid for Société Générale formed part of a political intrigue involving efforts by former President Francois Mitterand, who sought after his re-election in 1988 to bring several large French companies into the sphere of investors inclined to Mr. Mitterand's Socialist party. An early investigation into the events by the French stock market oversight agency made little mention of Mr. Soros. Not until after 1992 did the prosecutors question him about his role in the affair. None of the key
[CTRL] VOXFUX - Rumor and Speculation Arise :: Memes.o
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.memes.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=1 423mode=flatorder=0thold=-1VOXFUX - Rumor and Speculation Arise :: Memes.o /A Memes.org Memes are Mind Viruses Dec 20, 2002 - 11:22 PMMemeStore :: Register :: Login :: Submit News :: Top Articles Search Memetics Topics· Memetics News · Memes News · Mind Virus News · Theory News · Memes.org News · 9-11 News Main Menu· Home · Account Info · Log Out · LibertyThink · Downloads · FAQ · Memebers · Messages · News · Polls · Recommend Us · Reviews · Search · Stats · Submit News · Topics · Top List · Web Links Who's OnlineWe have 99 guests and 3 members online You are an anonymous user. You can register for free by clicking here Send a Message to Latest Links Added· Meet America's New Big Brother (10) · VOX UPDATES (23) · The Council for Secular Humanism (9) · Rick Ochoa at Nervous Net (15) · Nervous Net Web Log is Genius (15) · Vox NYC Raided by 40 Agents (48) · Hints for UFO Researchers (18) · Conspiracy Redux (11) · Non-existent Aircraft (19) · Super Secret Shadow Planes (20) · tungsten that feuled the Vietnam war (12) · Google links to us page 2 (5) · Google Links to memes.org (5) · Vox NYC and Vox Fux (24) · What Really Happened (6) · Portland Indy Media (2) · Sci Forums (1) · Discordian Research Technology DRT News (5) · Propaganda Matrix (9) · Link to us from Indymedia Hawaii Nei (4) · PHP Nuke Links on Pagina (1) · This Means War RSS Feed (1) Downloads Quotes It is a sin to believe evil of others, but it is seldom a mistake. -- H.L. Mencken Rushkoff's BlogCBS Script A bunch of you have asked, so hereapos;s a copy of something close to the script that was used for the narration for the CBS Sunday Morning piece I did that ran last week. As you can see, TV makes for a more skeletal analysis. But the pictures do help. CBS Sunday Morning My first CBS Sunday Morning commentary airs Sunday, December 15, at 9am in most US time zones. I wrote and narrated, but I havenapos;t seen the edited piece. Trent Lott Let him keep his job, even though his longstanding racist agenda is coming to light. He represents a significant constituency of the Republican party. Yes, Bush publically scolded Lott for what he said (that Strom Thurmond, a segregationist, should have been President). Read more Theory: VOXFUX - Rumor and Speculation Arise Posted by: valis on Dec 19, 2002 - 06:00 AMThe following is a comment to a Seattle IndyMedia story: I have been following the voxnyc.com news site now for a while (Very Closely) A strange thing happened just prior to the raid. Voxfux had been having a back and fourth with a real belligerent jerk who had been posting under the name Unknown Soldier Vox had essentially tracked his usage to a number of postings by this same jerk. Then vox's final exchange was that this guy was spoofing his IP (which only hackers and intelligence agents do) Since this jerk Unknown Soldier is no hacker then maybe... You get the drift. Then Vox announced that this guy was operating on rasserver.net which is a VERY SUSPICIOUS internet company. With a strange kind of administration which never responds to any complaints about it's many violations regarding some illegal activity is undertakes on a daily basis. Also rasserver.net seems immune to any Internet authorities' regarding their constant and flagrant violations of common Internet rules and regulations. Vox indicating that rasserver could be an organ of the CIA. Then he looked into rasserver's parent company ICG and discovered that ICG Communications Inc had decended into bankrupcy just days after Bush siezed the presidency. Hmmm. He accused ICG Communications Inc of being possible the next Enron scandal, only this time Vox has claimed that ICG was actually taken over by an intelligence group (CIA or EX CIA) and that it had undertaken a scheme to drive the stock proice into the ground, only to rip off investors, and then when the stock reached rock bottom they bought up the stock and are now poised to become fabulously wealthy. Apparently they drove the stock price from 36 dollars to 36 cents. Then vox mentioned something about the CEO's involved with ICG were intelligence assets. The new CEO is in fact a Jesuit (Graduated from LOYOLA university which specializes in Intellegence, political, industrial economic intelligence. The strange thing is that there is no trace of that exchange that was on vox's web site. What is even stranger is that this Unknown Soldier Who vox pointed out also posts under the name Soaring Eagle This Soaring Eagle posted a very spooky veiled threat which is still up on the site it is a passage from George Orwell's 1984 about Big Brothers ability to obliterate every trace of a persons life so that no one would ever know that he existed. I for one checked out
[CTRL] Religion Ethics Newsweekly: WEB EXCLUSIVE: The Moral War Against Iraq - September 13, 2002
-Caveat Lector- http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week602/juergensmeyer.html THE MORAL WAR AGAINST IRAQ by Mark Juergensmeyer The punch line came at the end. Prior to that, President George W. Bush's speech to the United Nations on Iraq seemed almost restrained. It was, to a large extent, a straightforward litany of grievances -- promises broken, UN resolutions ignored. Only at the end did the rhetoric of the speech begin to sound, well, rhetorical. In fact, it sounded almost sermonic. We must choose, Bush said, between a world of fear and a world of progress. This stark dichotomy seemed to echo the words he used shortly after the September 11 attack a year ago, when he said that nations should line up either for or against the war on terrorism. What was chilling about the war language against al Qaeda was that it seemed to mirror Osama bin Laden's own view of the world. Bin Laden, like many religious extremists, was animated by the notion that a hidden cosmic war was behind many of the evils of the world. Bush's war on terrorism rhetoric picked up that theme and directed it against bin Laden himself. Such a war allows for no bystanders. You are either for us or against us, Bush said, challenging the world a year ago. As he made his case for attacking Iraq, he again presented the world with a stark moral dichotomy. In the UN speech, Bush concluded with a kind of altar call, addressing directly the moral conscience of each delegate. He told them that the United States would make that stand against fear and in favor of progress, and then charged each delegate in the hall to replicate the moral commitment he had made. You have the power to make that stand, the president solemnly urged them. The moral imagery of the war on terrorism was thus transferred to the war on Iraq. The proposed Iraqi incursion, Bush seemed to say, is a struggle over ultimate values. It is not just a matter of reining in an erratic and potentially dangerous rogue regime. It is a matter of making profound and enduring choices: of choosing progress rather than fear, truth over evil, light over darkness. Political leaders often lean on absolute language - - especially images provided by religion -- to buttress their political positions. It was this kind of language that animated the rhetoric of political leaders during the Cold War. But what is interesting about the use of Manichean language in the Iraq case is that the foe is not another USSR or China but a rather lonely, unlikable despot in a Middle Eastern country with an economy comparable to that of a moderate-sized county in the state of California. Like Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein possesses relatively little real power -- at least at present -- but he does have the ability to annoy America's leaders and scare its population. Much of his danger is his unpredictability, the danger of the unknown. No wonder, then, that quasi-religious language is invoked to prepare the world for such an encounter. Saddam Hussein has become a symbol for fear itself -- and who in their right minds would choose that over progress? Mark Juergensmeyer is the author of TERROR IN THE MIND OF GOD: THE GLOBAL RISE OF RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE and editor of GLOBAL RELIGION: AN INTRODUCTION, forthcoming next year. He is professor of sociology and religious studies and director of global and international studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE INSIDERS SCHEME FOR AMERICA
-Caveat Lector- http://www.etherzone.com/2002/moor122302.shtml THE "INSIDERS" SCHEME FOR AMERICA THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS By: Jim Moore In an article I wrote titled, "Danger to America--The Insiders", I tried to explain the phenomenon of the "conspiracy". The conspiracy, I said, was an international group of "Insiders" who are planning the subversion of America into a "new world order." However, the magnitude and power of international conspirators to sabotage the independence and sovereignty of America is so little known, and so out of the mainstream American consciousness, that my article could only skim the surface. For more elucidation, I felt that a follow-up article was owed the reader; with more specifics of the kind of trouble America is in. So I've added an informative interview between J.Conti, contributing author of GoOFF, an alternative news source, and Robert Gaylon Ross, Sr., author of the explosive book, "Who's Who of the Elite", which was such a shocker that no publisher would touch it. So Mr. Ross published it himself. Ross has impressive credentials, as a renowned author, a licensed Manufacturing Engineer, an officer in the Army Security Agency, an expert in the field of cryptoanalysis (breaking codes), and company commander of an intelligence unit in South Korea. He's also worked in the petroleum industry as a management consultant in the U.S., Japan. Mexico, Canada, England, and Iran. His positions and contacts have afforded him penetrating insights into the subversive powers endangering America's freedom. Here is Ross's revealing interview with Conti: CONTI: Gaylon, tell us, what is the "elite", what does the term really mean? ROSS: My definition of the Elite is anyone who is now, or who has ever been a member of the Bilderberg's (BB), Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), or the Trilateral Commission (TC), or who is now, or has in the past, associated very closely with the core members of these secret organizations. CONTI: What is the degree of influence the "elite" have over the Government of the United States, and for that matter, the world? ROSS: The Elite either directly, or indirectly, controls EVERYTHING of significance that happens over the entire world. CONTI: How did they manage to have so much power? ROSS: The Golden Rule-He who has the gold, rules! The core members of the Elite (primarily the Rockefellers and Rothschilds) own all of the central banks of the entire world. Money is power! They create money from thin air. Their money is not backed by ANYTHING. CONTI: Who are the "members" of the secret ruling clique? ROSS: There are just over 3,000 members of the Elite, and I name them in my first book, "Who's Who of the Elite". In addition to naming them I also tell what secret organizations they belong to, where they work, and their job titles, Then I sort them by where they work, and it becomes very clear that they control EVERYTHING of significance over the entire world. CONTI: In your opinion, what is their ultimate goal and what will they do to accomplish it? ROSS: Their ultimate goal is to create the Global Union which will control the world both politically and economically, and they will do whatever is necessary to accomplish this goal. CONTI: How long ago did their plans begin? ROSS: At least before the first Bilderberg meeting in 1954, probably much earlier. The minutes of the meeting include discussions about forming the European Union, which is the first step in establishing the Global Union. CONTI: Why is it that almost no one knows about these things? ROSS: Most information from around the world comes from newspapers, news magazines and television, and the Elite directly own or control these sources of news. CONTI: Where does their endless supply of money come from? ROSS: They create money from thin air. Their money is not backed by ANYTHING. The law that created the Federal Reserve System stipulated that all taxes collected by the Internal Revenue System must be deposited in the Federal Reserve Banks, NOT the Treasury Department. CONTI: To what degree do you think they affect who our elected officials are? ROSS: The Elite have selected the winning candidates for our President for the last 200 or more years. In many cases, they selected the top two candidates for this office. Bill Clinton attended the 1991 Bilderberg Conference in Baden-Baden, Germany before he was selected by them to become our president in 1992. CONTI: This is difficult to ask, but are we their slaves? Is that what this reality boils down to? ROSS: When they complete the Global Union, somewhere around 2010, there will be around 3,000 Elite and there will be the rest of us, who will essentially be their slaves. CONTI: What role do you think they play in the "cancer", "Alzheimer's", "depression" and "heart disease" industries? Do you think that through their "seemingly" unrelated front companies that they are actually poisoning Americans to keep them sick
[CTRL] Voxfux: Simply have no fear - and they will fall
-Caveat Lector- http://www.voxnyc.com/ Simply have no fear - and they will fall This is the key by voxfux I would rather die standing and fighting, then cower under this fascist threat to all of humanity. First of all I need to express a HUGE amount of gratitude to the folks who were the first responders. Amy Goodman from Democracy Now was the absolute first responder to my and all of mankind's predicament. Her's is a beacon of liberty - thank you. Also valis from memes.org and liberty think - I owe you a big one - much thanks. And to lightscion who mirrored the front page - thank you for your effort. Also many other sites and concerned people from the Democratic underground and all the many Indymedias who covered this turn of events. Also I must thank my extensive network of friends and family who have been a beautiful support network during this whole affair. And last but not least I would like to thank those on the "INSIDE" for tipping me off and helping me out - Not all of these guys are bad - there is DEEP division among their ranks, and that is very encouraging and gratifying to know. HALF OF THOSE INVOLVED IN THE RAID WERE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED ABOUT BEING FORCED INTO TO DOING BUSHES DIRTY POLITICAL OPPRESSION - HALF. Also I think Bush and his cabal of cowardly retarded fascists owe a huge thanks to the many pigs and also some of the so called activists who through their (in)activism and non response have proven to be able foot soldiers in the dark force's push to crush the spirit of humankind. The Fascists thank you. And now lets talk about what this whole thing is about - one word - fear. Fear is the ONLY thing they have. They have nothing else - nothing. They have no ideas, no policies, no solutions - just fear. Their principle purpose of existence now is "CONTROL THROUGH FEAR," But I am not afraid. I feel like a lion in a den of pigs. If we just address that fear these pigs are finished. And so that is why these fascists brought in the building department when they raided my home and threatened my tenants with eviction and told that I would be getting fines. They are mounting a frontal assualt on me finantially. Now how can they explain if I was such a threat to that lying filth called Bush, why notify the building department??? Certainly if the presidents life was in danger wouldn't they be concerned that by bringing the building department in on it they risk blowing the whole raid?? Think about it, folks. So what does this mean? It means only one thing - that the ONLY reason for the NAZI "Homeland Security" and their new break and enter policy is to crush and intimidate anyone who opposes Bush. THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY - THIS IS ABOUT TOTAL CONTROL THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF FEAR - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. But they are nothing. They will attack me with everything they have. And so I am now preparing, meeting with lawyers and accountants in anticipation of what will almost assuredly be a barrage of attacks and audits and anything else they can throw at me. Also I will be inviting a friendly media source on to my house and property to conduct a complete and thorough search and audit of the premisis to assure that they don't return and suddenly "DISCOVER" some guns or bags of cocaine, or Al Queda manuals or some other such pile of dirty shit that they can dish out. They left my home with the alarm system unarmed and the basement door wide open - it was just discovered tonight. All the interior doors which are always locked were picked and opened and locks on my personal trunks were broken and the contents were strewn about. Neighbors were dutifully instilled with fear and ordered to contact authorities upon seeing or hearing from me. So they are turning neighbor against neighbor, human against human all because they think they master the art of FEAR. But that is only because I have not yet had a chance to tell my version of what this is really all about. I will speak to all of my neighbors soon. And set the record straight. As soon as I get to someone, five minutes later they are back on my side and cooperate with ME and NOT the authorities. AND THAT IS THE POWER OF TRUTH AND THAT IS THE STRENGTH OF THE LIGHT. And all it takes is FEARLESSNESS. IT IS SO SIMPLE. IT IS SO EASY. Just know them for what they really are and they become powerless. Furthermore, I will debate any or all of these cowards any time anywhere and I will beat ALL of them. So let me clarify that. If they were not cowards let them schedule a news segment on a major TV outlet so we can let the American people decide for themselves who they believe. I will bet my house that in one hour I can wake the American people up and expose these cowards for they really are. 1 hour. Any or all of them against one man. Anytime anywhere. You should see me in a power suit with a power tie and my long hair, I'll destroy them. But you know what? They are such cowards that THEY WOULD NEVER DO IT. Now Isn't
[CTRL] Colorblind - Except For Some...
-Caveat Lector- http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html December 20, 2002 'COLORBLIND'â EXCEPT FOR SOME If only Trent Lott had endorsed segregation of Middle Easternersâ¦. "We're all Israelis now!" This was the cry that went up from the War Party in the wake of 9/11, and as a prophecy regarding our treatment of Middle Easterners in America, it is certainly coming true. Amid reports that Israel has as many as 5,000 Palestinians in custody comes the news that hundreds of Middle Easterners have been rounded up in California and detained. Are certain sections of Southern California coming to resemble the occupied territories? It was actually a pretty clever ruse that lured them dumb Ay-rabs into INS offices: the Immigration and Naturalization Service instituted a new rule that required all male resident aliens over the age of sixteen â from a list of twenty Arab or Middle Eastern countries â to register with the authorities. Monday was the deadline for Iranians, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, and Sudanese, and, in Southern California, where many thousands of Iranians fled the repressive regime, they came in droves to comply with the law â and soon found themselves behind bars. Welcome to America, buddy, the land of the formerly free. Welcome to our "colorblind" society, where the same people calling for the scalp of a man who dared whistle "Dixie" are applauding the mass internment of Arab residents. Welcome to America, which is fast morphing into Israel writ large, at least in this one particular area. We are often told, by Israel's apologists, that we must side with "the only democracy in the Middle East": we are natural allies because their society bears such a resemblance to our own. Now, as the Israelization of America proceeds, we are beginning to see that the differences are far from subtle â even as they disappear. Israel may have democratic elections, a relatively free media, and its founders may trace their legacy back to the European Enlightenment, but there is nothing enlightened about their treatment of the Palestinians. Israel's "democratic" rules don't apply to their helot class, and this permits them to treat the Palestinians like dirt under their feet, to be swept up and disposed of. In Israel, about 1,000 Palestinian prisoners are being held indefinitely, without trial, and as suicide bombings increase so has the repression. Associated Press points out that "at the peak last summer, troops ordered Palestinian males, from teenagers to the middle-aged, to gather in public places for questioning and locked up anyone arousing suspicion." What happened to Abdel Karim Barghouti, a 38-year-old entrepreneur from Ramallah, is part of everyday life for all non-Israelis in the Promised Land. Stopped at a roadblock last year, he was kicked and beaten by Israeli soldiers and detained at a military base. Transferred to Ashkelon prison, Barghouti was grilled for eight hours daily, blindfolded and bound to a chair: "'The interrogators spit in my face and said, 'No one leaves this place healthy,' Barghouti recalled. At night, guards would bang on the doors to keep the detainees from sleeping, saying, 'Why should you sleep while we have to work?'" Meanwhile, in Southern California: "'My father, they just took him in,' one young man told reporters. 'They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything.'" After all, why should the detainees get to sleep when a bunch of fat-ass INS prison guards have to work? According to human rights activists, prisoners in Israeli custody are tortured, in spite of the recent prohibition on physical abuse promulgated by Israel's Supreme Court. Deprived of sleep for days on end, Palestinian detainees are "forced to stand for hours as their feet swell with pain," as interrogators tell them their families have been slaughtered. They are told they must confess, or else the bulldozers poised to demolish their homes will be given the go-ahead. But at least the Israelis make no bones about their behavior, and don't try to hide the nakedness of their repression behind the see-thru gauze of liberal "democracy" and the rule of law. In Israel, they set up roadblocks and haul away anyone who looks "suspicious" â in America, we have them come in and "register." In this way, people who have lived here and paid taxes for years are simply hauled away, stripped of their rights, and deported back to the murderous tyrannies they fled. "It is a shock," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations. "You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries â this is what they expect from their government. Not from America." "I think it is shocking what is happening," says ACLU executive director Ramona Ripston, "It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment
[CTRL] Zionism: Still The Smelly Elephant in the Room
-Caveat Lector- http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=98contentid=705 Zionism: Still The Smelly Elephant in the Room by ANN PETIFER In the spring of 1986, Gore Vidal, novelist and chronicler of US history, published an essay in The Nation which became instantly notorious. Called "The Empire Lovers Strike Back," its subject was the relationship of American Jewish neo-conservatives to the state of Israel. He chose as exemplars of the phenomenon, Commentary magazine editor, Norman Podhoretz, and spouse, Midge Decter (mother-in-law of Elliot Abrams of Iran Contra infamy; Abrams, a racial purist who disdains intermarriage, now serves as White House Director of Middle Eastern Affairs). Podhoretz and Decter had once been liberals, but an aggressive Zionism led them to pitch their tent in the Republican Party. Their aim was to use US economic and political heft to advance Israel's interests in the Middle East. The essay was vintage Vidal and it greatly provoked his critics. To ensure that no one took seriously what he had to say - to silence the debate before it started - he was rubbished as the worst kind of anti-Semite. So, exactly what had Vidal said to earn this most feared of labels? In recent weeks we have heard a good deal about the cynical alliance between fundamentalist Christian Zionists in the US and Jewish settlers (supported by the right-wing Likud party) in the Occupied Territories. Sixteen years ago in a display of considerable prescience, Vidal wrote: "since spades may not be called spades in freedom's land, let me spell it out. In order to get military and economic support for Israel, a small number of American Jews, who should know better, have made common cause with every sort of reactionary and anti-Semitic group in the United States, from the corridors of the Pentagon to the TV studios of the evangelical Jesus Christers all in the interest of supporting the likes of Sharon as opposed to the Peace Now Israelis whom they disdain." Central to Vidal's case was the indifference to US history which he discerned among these Jewish neo-conservatives. When he was writing a play set during the American Civil War, he recalls Norman Podhoretz asking him, "Why are you writing a play about, of all things, the Civil War?" When Vidal explained that this was/is "the great, single tragic event that gives resonance to our Republic" Podhoretz replied, "To me, the Civil War is as remote and irrelevant as the War of the Roses." Vidal calls Podhoretz and his ilk Fifth Columnists (Israeli division) to indicate their extra-territorial priorities. They pursue political power not in order to make the US a better place, to right wrongs or to fight inequality here, but to promote Israel's pre-eminence in the Middle East, to confine Palestinians to a couple of Bantustans or, better still, engineer their expulsion to Jordan. Judith Shulavitz, writing last month in The New York Times about Podhoretz's new book, The Prophets: Who They Were And What They Are, observes that for Podhoretz the biblical prophet's message is: "the Jews are the people chosen to redeem the worldâs They will perform their divinely appointed duty only if they cling to the Covenant between God and themselves and support Zionism." Any appropriation of the prophets in support of social justice he dismisses as false - a Christian overlay or redaction. The influence of old-guard Jewish neo-cons, such as Podhoretz and Decter, was exercised mainly through journals of opinion they edited or owned (in addition to Commentary, Martin Peretz's New Republic comes to mind). Now, however, a new generation has its hand on the tiller of power. In September, Bill Keller profiled Deputy Secretary of Defence, Paul Wolfowitz, for The New York Times' Sunday Magazine. Wolfowitz and fellow Jewish neo-cons Richard Perle and Douglas Feith have emerged as the Pentagon's Paladins, their aim being to subdue the Islamic world through decisive, pre-emptive use of American military superiority. While Wolfowitz is pressing for war against Saddam Hussein, Keller notes his "scholarly detachment" from the disastrous Vietnam War (as remote as the War of the Roses?), in which, while eligible, he had chosen not to serve. Wolfowitz first formed ties to Israel when he accompanied his father there for a sabbatical year. He is known to have close links to Israeli generals and Likud politicians. Keller, somewhat hesitatingly, discloses that there are people in Washington who hint at Wolfowitz's "dual loyalties." The (London) Guardian columnist, Hugo Young, is less reticent: "Only in Washington does one get a true sense of the obsession of these Pentagon civilians. Conversationally, it is common talk that some of them, not including Rumsfeld, are as much Israeli as American nationalists. Behind nervous, confiding hands come sardonic whispers of an American outpost of Likud. Most striking of all, however, is how unmentionable this is in the
[CTRL] Odigo says workers were warned of attack
-Caveat Lector- http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744contrassID=/has%5C Odigo says workers were warned of attack By Yuval Dror Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack. Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya. As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application. Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] F-15 fighters to have nuclear weapon capability
-Caveat Lector- CONTRACTS from the United States Department of DefenseNo. 647-02FOR RELEASE AT(703)697-5131(media)5 p.m. ETDecember 20, 2002(703)428-0711(public/industry) McDonnell Douglas Corp., St. Louis, Mo., is being awarded a$42,726,882 firm-fixed-price, cost-plus fixed-fee contractmodification to provide for Programmable Armament Control Set(PACS) production program lots 3-5. Under this effort, thecontractor is required to build and provide retrofit kits forthe F-15E modifications required for installation of theupgraded line replaceable units (LRUs) for the AN/AWG-27. ThePACS buy includes retrofit kits, conformal fuel tank retrofitkits, spares LRUs, spare umbilical, support equipment, data,interim contractor support, organic deport support, GFP repairand warranty. Additionally, the PACs upgraded hardware must becertified for nuclear weapon capability. McDonnell Douglas willperform this effort at McDonnell Douglas Corp., St. Louis Miss.,and Hamilton Sunstrand, Windsor Locks, Conn. At this time,$16,948,120 of the funds has been obligated. Further funds willbe obligated as individual delivery orders are issued. Thiswork will be complete by December 2006. Negotiations werecompleted November 2002. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio,is the contracting activity (F33657-00-C-0014, P00010). A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] survivors winning, accused priest w/children, Bush, baby theft, Big Brother
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from L Moss Sharman Advice from a victim By Adrian Walker, 12/19/02 "Cardinal Bernard F. Law has been forced from the chancery, and the church has been forced to take the issue of sexual abuse to heart. Even 18 months ago, no one saw that coming, including Saviano. ''Finally, victims are being first of all believed,'' Saviano said this week. ''And they're being respected instead of ridiculed and criticized. Most of all, they're seeing there is power in joining together and speaking out, and you can have results. Laws are being changed, attorney generals have perked up their ears around the country. These are changes that victims, myself included, could only have dreamed of." http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/353/metro/Advice_from_a_victim+.shtml
Archbishop faces new scandal after accused priest worked with children By Kim Sengupta 12/17/02 "The Roman Catholic Church admitted yesterday that it bought a house opposite a primary school for a priest despite knowing he was a suspected paedophile. Before living in the property, Father Christopher Maxwell-Stewart had been placed at a convent where the nuns ran a nursery. It is claimed that he was also permitted to instruct children at a church where he regularly conducted Mass. Last night Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the Archbishop of Westminster, was accused of making misleading statements that Fr Maxwell-Stewart was kept away from children." http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=362317
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Is this story a hoax or for real? Bush is in court in Texas for rape.
I tried to give an overview with information I found By LeaAnne KlentzmanA Fort Bend County woman files a lawsuit on former Governor and current sitting President George W. Bush.Margie Schoedinger of Missouri City, Texas has filed a lawsuit against George W. Bush in Fort Bend County Court. In her suit she is alleging "race based harassment and individual sex crimes committed against her and her husband." The suit lists numerous offenses and asks for actual damages, punitive damages and judgments against George W. Bush
http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id={F0609C5E-0E57-409E-8F30-90C5
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Media owner arrested in baby theft
Argentine magnate is accused of adopting children taken from 'disappeared' mothers
Isabel Vincent National Post Thursday, December 19, 2002
The owner of Argentina's largest newspaper remains in police custody as part of a judicial probe into the disappearance of children born in captivity during the country's 1976-83 military dictatorship. Ernestina Herrera de Noble, the owner of Clarin Group, which controls the country's largest newspaper, is accused of falsifying documents in the adoption of her two children. A human rights group in Buenos Aires alleges the children, now both 26 years old, were born to imprisoned left-wing rebels who were killed in a concentration camp after giving birth. The two children, Felipe and Marcela, have been ordered to give blood samples for DNA testing.
Mrs. Herrera de Noble's arrest is the first of a prominent member of Argentine society in connection with one of the most disturbing practices of Argentina's Dirty War against left-wing dissidents. As many as 200 children born in prison were kidnapped by military officials and put up for adoption. Many of the mothers were never heard from again, joining the ranks of the disappeared, the term used in Argentina to describe the estimated 30,000 people who were tortured and killed during the military dictatorship.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021215/1007874.asp
Has Big Brother arrived, and is he watching us? Government's expanding powers, which it says are needed to fight the war on terrorism, worry many people because of the long-term consequences for ordinary citizens, including a loss of privacy.
By JAMES HEANEY News Staff Reporter 12/15/2002 Steps taken in the name of fighting terrorism are producing changes in American society that, according to critics spanning the political spectrum, could leave citizens with less personal privacy, a government that operates in greater secrecy and a judicial system that denies some defendants due process. It's not a someday possibility, these critics charge. It's already happening.
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[CTRL] Air Force studies high-power microwave
-Caveat Lector- CONTRACTS from the United States Department of DefenseNo. 647-02FOR RELEASE AT(703)697-5131(media)5 p.m. ETDecember 20, 2002(703)428-0711(public/industry) ITT Industries, Advanced Engineering and Sciences, ColoradoSprings, Colo., is being awarded a $16,350,000 cost-plusfixed-fee, indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contractmodification to provide for research and development support forinvestigation of the lethality of high power microwave (HPM)devices on target systems and the susceptibility of U.S. systemsto HPM threats. Funds will be obligated as individual deliveryorders are issued. The Air Force can issue delivery orderstotaling up to the maximum amount indicated above, though actualrequirements may necessitate less than this amount. Thelocation of performance is the Air Force Research Laboratory,Kirtland Air Force base, N.M. At this time, no funds have beenobligated. This work will be complete by February 2005.Negotiations were completed November 2002. The Air ForceResearch Laboratory is the contracting activity(F29601-00-D-0061, P8). A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Title: From Cnn -Caveat Lector- Site offers home delivery of marijuana MONTREAL, Canada (Reuters) --Canadian activists for the medicinal use of marijuana celebrated a court victory on Thursday by launching an Internet site offering home delivery of cannabis for seriously ill people. Saying it would even offer tax deductions for orders, the Marijuana Party Foundation took the unprecedented step after Quebec Superior Court Judge Gilles Cadieux stopped the drug-trafficking trial of two volunteers from Compassion Club of Montreal, a group that provides marijuana for medicinal purposes. Relaxing the laws? In his long-awaited decision, Judge Cadieux agreed that the pair, Marc-Boris St-Maurice, 33, and Alexandre Neron, 22, had planned to sell marijuana when they were arrested almost three years ago. But the judge noted that it was unconstitutional to deny patients access to the drug. Judge Cadieux said he did not have the authority to rule on the constitutionality of Canada's marijuana laws. Prosecutors did not indicate whether they would appeal his decision. Earlier this month, a parliamentary committee urged the Canadian government to relax its laws on possession of marijuana. The committee on the nonmedical use of drugs said marijuana should be decriminalized, but not legalized, an idea U.S. drug control officials quickly condemned. Activists elated Elated by Judge Cadieux's decision, St-Maurice hailed it as both a moral and legal victory. The Marijuana Party Foundation, operated by the federally chartered Marijuana Party, reacted to the ruling by immediately launching a Web site offering to dispense therapeutic cannabis. The Web site, www.marijuanahomedelivery.ca, offers two formats of highest quality therapeutic cannabis with a THC content of 8 percent or more. A two-gram package sells for $30 Canadian ($19) while Internet surfers can order a 10 gram shipment for $120 Canadian. You are not contributing to organized crime. All revenues raised from our service go to advance efforts to end cannabis prohibition, the organization promises on its Web site. Those wishing to order marijuana via the site must be Canadian citizens residing in Canada, 18 years of age, and provide a doctor's diagnosis of an illness known to be treatable or alleviated through the use of cannabis. It's an online Compassion Club to serve all Canadians who would have a need for medical marijuana, St-Maurice said. Medicinal pot legalized in Canada Canadian law allows access to medical marijuana for a certain patients. Canada's Office of Cannabis Medical Access oversees regulations brought down in July 2001 that allow marijuana use by people suffering from grave and debilitating illnesses. Applicants include those who have a terminal illness or serious medical conditions such as multiple sclerosis, spinal cord disease, cancer or AIDS/HIV infection. The Canadian government is working on the cultivation of a safe and standardized supply of marijuana for use as a medical treatment. But that supply is not yet available and those seeking medicinal marijuana must turn elsewhere for access to the drug. Often, they must apply for a license to grow the marijuana themselves or seek it on the street. St-Maurice said the Marijuana Party Foundation does not have permits from the Canadian government allowing the group to sell cannabis online. Its Internet initiative also does not have the consent of the Canadian Medical Association or other professional groups. But St-Maurice said those hurdles will not prevent the Web site from taking orders and shipping marijuana. In January, we'll be starting to offer tax deductions for the marijuana we sell online, he said. Copyright 2002 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/12/20/canada.marijuana.reut/index.html SAVE THIS | EMAIL THIS | Close Check the box to include the list of links referenced in the article. -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
[CTRL] Skolnick: TOOTAR Part 23
-Caveat Lector- http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=35852 Sherman Skolnick "THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC", Part 23 Fri Dec 20 18:21:23 2002 208.152.73.80 Sherman Skolnick wrote: "THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC", Part 23 by Sherman H. Skolnick 12/20/2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.skolnicksreport.com THE FAKE MONEY BUSINESS When private business partners have a falling out, it seems to be like a divorce. [1] From inside information, they rant against one another. Each hollars that the other was never any good. [2] One partner accuses the other of cheating, on friendsip, on money, on business, on assets. [3] Each accuses the other of hiding or stealing the family jewels. If you understand this, you comprehend how George Herbert Walker Bush and Saddam Hussein react to each other nowadays. Daddy Bush was actually important to the American CIA since formation of Zapata Petroleum Company, later called Zaparta Offshore. They had hundreds of overseas affiliates. Some contend the firm assisted foreign and domestic spy agencies as a cover operation for covert activities and sucking up intelligence data worldwide. Others assert Zapata's offshore drilling platforms, such as those in the sea beyond the U.S. jurisdictional limits, are transit points for clandestine shipments, such as dope. Was/is this a way of helicopters, servicing the oil drilling, picking up narcotics shipments and getting them into the U.S.? Some think so. International wire service, Reuters, some years ago, studied the matter, and so alleged. [The exact date of their items are hard to track down, but are known to exist. Was the story dropped into a black media hole?] So, Daddy Bush has been apparently for many years part of the dope trafficking. One heavily detailed book mentions that Daddy Bush was started in the oil business by British royals. ["The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush", by Webster Tarpley et al., 1992.] In an FBI document, dated November 29, 1963, circulated by us and others, shown is "George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" played a key role in the covering up of certain data as to the murder of President John F. Kennedy. So George Bush The Elder was active in the American spy community long before he was, for eleven and a half months in 1976, Director of Central Intelligence. And ever after, as well. He was instrumental, in the late 1970s, of installing, through political assassinations, in Iraq, Saddam Hussein as the Iraqi strongman. In the 1980s, Daddy Bush was Saddam's PRIVATE business partner. It was the subject of a little-mentioned Federal Court case in Chicago, where this free lance journalist, was the only reporter covering the court hearing. My exclusive story appeared in a populist weekly newspaper, The Spotlight, August 19, 1991.[Visit our website story, "The Secrets of Timothy McVeigh" for more details.] Bush the Elder and Saddam Hussein, just like a mafia gang, shook down, extracting "protection money", from the weak oil sheikdoms of the Persian Gulf. Also, Bush's criminal business confederates in the 1980s, inside and outside the White House, supplied Saddam with the beginnings of nuclear and bio-chemical materials and research, for the possible development of so-called "Weapons of Mass Destruction". See the heavily detailed book, "The Spider's Web--The Secret history of how the White House illegally armed Iraq", by Alan Friedman, Bantam Books, 1993, never adequately publicized in the oil-soaked, spy-riddled American monopoly press. Recently, the present Bush White House obtained the original of Saddam's response to the United Nations inspection team, a many thousand page document. Bush, in turn, had copies supposedly made of this and turned it over to other members of the U.N. Security Council. Some assert that the Bush White House eliminated or redacted some of the pages showing the role of the Bush Crime Family in supplying such items to Baghdad. "Annan [U.N. Secretary General] Criticizes Handling of Iraqi Files", New York Times, December 11, 2002. The Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-1991, in its simplest form, was just, as we have shown, a falling out of disgruntled private business partners, Daddy Bush and Saddam Hussein. In 1991, Daddy Bush stole billions and billions of dollars of monies and assets belonging to Saddam, his former partner. These purloined funds were transferred to twenty five secret worldwide accounts of the Bush Crime Family. [Visit our extensive website series, "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush", where the secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records, showing Greenspan's and other secret codes, are attached and can be brought up on the screen. For example, one account shows ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS (partly traceable to assets and funds belonging to former business partner Saddam Hussein) were transferred to a joint Bush account that the Bush Crime Family had with the Queen of England in her private bank, Coutts Bank London. And
[CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- Anger as Israelis set up 'ghetto' for Arabs Alan Philps in Qalqiliya (Filed: 21/12/2002) A light rain brings some of the farmers of Qalqiliya out to look at their fields, which should be busy with orange and lemon pickers. But the only sign of activity is a giant Israeli digger carving out a trench wide enough to drive a car along. The digger works amid a scene of devastation: an 80-yard-wide area stripped of its orchards and greenhouses that will shortly become the perimeter fence of what is effectively a big open-air prison enclosing a town of 40,000. Qalqiliya used to thrive on commerce with Israelis who live only a couple of miles away across the pre-1967 border. Its shops, garages and dentists all have fading signs in Hebrew to encourage Israelis to spend their money. But a 220-mile security fence, designed to keep suicide bombers out of Israel, is about to turn this border town into the most dramatic example of what Palestinians call the ghetto-isation of their land. There is already a 24-ft concrete wall - higher than the Berlin Wall - to the west of the town. A complex of fences, barbed wire and trenches will isolate it to the north and south. To the east, the Israelis have served notice that they plan to build an army-controlled gate, a frontier post separating the town from the rest of the West Bank. Maps provided by the Israeli army show the town as if enclosed in a bottle with a long neck, with the gate in place of the cork. We lost our land. We're living in a big prison, says Darwish Haj Hassan, 20, driving a horse and cart past the digging machine. Nidal Jal'oud, an official at the mayor's office, put it more bluntly. We are going to live in a ghetto - like the Jews lived in in Europe, he said. It is hard to argue. The fence - called a separation barrier by the Israelis - is deep inside Palestinian territory, hugging the edge of the town. There are barely 50 yards between a girls' school and the watchtower of the concrete wall, and only 100 to 200 yards of free space north and south of the town. The fence also cuts off hundreds of acres of the best farmland in the West Bank from its owners in Qalqiliya and 32 surrounding villages. The Civil Administration, as the Israeli military government is known, has even asked the local officials to help build the gate which will complete their incarceration. The fence is designed to keep out Palestinian infiltrators. One of the most devastating attacks - the killing of 21 people outside a Tel Aviv disco last year - was carried out by a Jordanian suicide bomber who set off from Qalqiliya. But the line of the fence suggests to the Palestinians that there is more than security in play. We expected it to be along the old [1967] border, said Khalid Shanti, secretary of the Palestinian Farmers' Union. His greenhouses have already been bulldozed and he is isolated from his land on the other side of the fence, now a closed military zone. The Israeli Defence Ministry said it would provide nine agricultural gates in the Qalqiliya area. But farmers are still worried that they will find it hard to reach their fields and get their produce to market. Mr Shanti said: What used to be a 15-minute walk will be an hour-long ride in several taxis and I will need a permit. So will all my family if they are to work. Everyone knows that when you go for a permit the Israelis ask you to work as an informer. Step by step we are losing our land. The reason for the fence's incursion into Palestinian territory is to enclose two Jewish settlements - Alfei Menashe and Zufim - within the military zone. The Defence Ministry said the route of the fence was dictated by security considerations derived from the topography. To Palestinians the fence looks like a land grab. Foreign aid donors, who have funded irrigation projects costing millions of pounds, believe that in three years many farmers will have been forced to abandon their holdings, leaving them free for Jewish settlers. Mr Shanti said: The Israelis want us to disappear. They want Qalqiliya erased from the map. Gershon Baskin, of the Israel-Palestine Centre for Research and Information, said Israel needed a fence but he winced at the use of the word ghetto. You cannot talk to Jewish people using this word. It is too closely connected with the Nazi era, the Warsaw Ghetto and the annihilation of all the Jews in it. I would just call it a prison. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/phallus.htm I speak from about Christmas on the sight above. Did you know that Christmas was originally the Roman pagan holiday Saturnelia? Saturn and Satan are the same words. One Early Latin and the other late Latin. Do you want to celebrate the Satan Day that is Christmas? Santa = Satan Read much more shocking info on the link above. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
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I speak from about Christmas on the sight above. Did you know that
Christmas was originally the Roman pagan holiday Saturnelia?
Gee, that's interesting...did YOU know that Xinsanity was plagiarized from older myths??
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The Origins of Christianity and
the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
by Acharya S
Introduction
Around the world over the centuries, much has been written about religion, its meaning, its relevance and contribution to humanity. In the West particularly, sizable tomes have been composed speculating upon the nature and historical background of the main character of Western religions, Jesus Christ. Many have tried to dig into the precious few clues as to Jesus's identity and come up with a biographical sketch that either bolsters faith or reveals a more human side of this godman to which we can all relate. Obviously, considering the time and energy spent on them, the subjects of Christianity and its legendary founder are very important to the Western mind and culture.
The Controversy
Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there is a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area. Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.
Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores1, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures2. Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers3.
History and Positions of the Debate
This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the "Church Fathers" themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics")4 alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history. As Rev. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied."5 Emperor Julian, who, coming after the reign of the fanatical and murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."6 According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."7
A century ago, mythicist Albert Churchward said, "The canonical gospels can be shown to be a collection of sayings from the Egyptian Mythos and Eschatology."8 In Forgery in Christianity, Joseph Wheless states, "The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."9 Those who concocted some of the hundreds of "alternative" gospels and epistles that were being kicked about during the first several centuries C.E. have even admitted that they had forged the documents.10 Forgery during the first centuries of the Church's existence was admittedly rampant, so common in fact that a new phrase was coined to describe it: "pious fraud."11 Such prevarication is
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/2002 8:51:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee, that's interesting...did YOU know that Xinsanity was plagiarized from older myths?? Obviously I meant to say that Xinsanity plagiarized other, older mythology. Bill. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- Not to be a total fun-hater, but the solstice was noticed way before anyone decided to invent a religion around its existence -- who isn't happy to see the sun growing slightly larger in the sky and to know the nights are getting shorter again? Nothing sinister about that. Shemuwel Antoine Moser wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/phallus.htm I speak from about Christmas on the sight above. Did you know that Christmas was originally the Roman pagan holiday Saturnelia? Saturn and Satan are the same words. One Early Latin and the other late Latin. Do you want to celebrate the Satan Day that is Christmas? Santa = Satan Read much more shocking info on the link above. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- You can't be sure of that. The recognition of the solstice may have come before or after the 1st religion - hard to say We will never know really on 12/20/02 11:11 PM, alien at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Not to be a total fun-hater, but the solstice was noticed way before anyone decided to invent a religion around its existence -- who isn't happy to see the sun growing slightly larger in the sky and to know the nights are getting shorter again? Nothing sinister about that. Shemuwel Antoine Moser wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/phallus.htm I speak from about Christmas on the sight above. Did you know that Christmas was originally the Roman pagan holiday Saturnelia? Saturn and Satan are the same words. One Early Latin and the other late Latin. Do you want to celebrate the Satan Day that is Christmas? Santa = Satan Read much more shocking info on the link above. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sect Says First Cloned Baby Due in Weeks
-Caveat Lector- Sect Says First Cloned Baby Due in Weeks Fri Dec 20,10:32 AM ET MONTREAL (Reuters) - A Canadian cult that believes in free love and that life on earth was created by extra terrestrials said it could deliver the world's first cloned baby on Christmas day. But the announcement by the Quebec-based Raelians sect was greeted on Thursday with anger and skepticism from experts in the field. I am personally disgusted, said Arthur Leader, chief of reproductive medicine at the Ottawa Hospital. It shows disrespect for human embryos and it demeans our humanity, he said. Brigitte Boisselier, a bishop in the sect, said their company, Clonaid, cloned a human embryo last March and a baby girl is expected to be delivered within the next two weeks and possibly on Christmas Day. We are well advanced and the first baby is due for the end of this year. We think it will be a healthy baby, Boisselier told Reuters. She said 10 human embryos were cloned last spring, with five miscarrying. The four other cloned babies are expected next year. Boisselier, 45, is a biochemist associated with the Raelians, a cult that believes life on earth was genetically created by visiting extra- terrestrials. -- Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com Latest Update: Cydonia in 3-D http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/Cydonia_3-d.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Sect Says First Cloned Baby Due in Weeks
-Caveat Lector- Mwahahahahhaha! Now you will see the Great POC'ster everywhere! POC (LEZ) * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Steve Wingate wrote: - SNETNEWS Mailing List Sect Says First Cloned Baby Due in Weeks Fri Dec 20,10:32 AM ET MONTREAL (Reuters) - A Canadian cult that believes in free love and that life on earth was created by extra terrestrials said it could deliver the world's first cloned baby on Christmas day. But the announcement by the Quebec-based Raelians sect was greeted on Thursday with anger and skepticism from experts in the field. I am personally disgusted, said Arthur Leader, chief of reproductive medicine at the Ottawa Hospital. It shows disrespect for human embryos and it demeans our humanity, he said. Brigitte Boisselier, a bishop in the sect, said their company, Clonaid, cloned a human embryo last March and a baby girl is expected to be delivered within the next two weeks and possibly on Christmas Day. We are well advanced and the first baby is due for the end of this year. We think it will be a healthy baby, Boisselier told Reuters. She said 10 human embryos were cloned last spring, with five miscarrying. The four other cloned babies are expected next year. Boisselier, 45, is a biochemist associated with the Raelians, a cult that believes life on earth was genetically created by visiting extra- terrestrials. -- Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com Latest Update: Cydonia in 3-D http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/Cydonia_3-d.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b15Rt5.Y2l0aXpl Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ICG Communications
-Caveat Lector- Vox says this company is fishy. I agree. Note the orders occuring at 0.0001 cents. I guess somebody is getting rich buying the shares at next to nothing. Who might that be? CIA? Am I asking too many questions? Steve -- Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com Latest Update: Cydonia in 3-D http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/Cydonia_3-d.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ICG Communications
-Caveat Lector- Here's the daily stock chart for IGC Communications. (see attached .gif). Steve On 20 Dec 2002 at 21:55, s, ctrl wrote: Vox says this company is fishy. I agree. Note the orders occuring at 0.0001 cents. I guess somebody is getting rich buying the shares at next to nothing. Who might that be? CIA? Am I asking too many questions? Steve -- Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com Latest Update: Cydonia in 3-D http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/Cydonia_3-d.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om attachment: ICGXQ.gif
[CTRL] [Fwd: ** michael moore's email intercepted by nazis]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.tomflocco.com/secret_service_intercepted_michael_moore%27s_ E-Mail.htm Secret Service Intercepted Michael Moore's Email and Searched His Home Without A Warrant ( The Story of a Vietnam Vet Caught in a Government / Celebrity Surveillance Crossfire ) Exclusive print-publication interview/story by Tom Flocco December 17, 2002 In a not-so-cryptic message eventually intended for all U.S. citizens -- but likely one very famous American in particular, three armed U.S. Secret Service agents and a local sheriff employed psychological intimidation to invade the privacy of retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer Michael Moore, 49, of Goldston, North Carolina at his home on December 10, 2002. In another warning sign of what lies ahead for all Americans regarding police-state abuse of power (thanks to sections of the post-September 11 Patriot Act approved by Congress and signed into law by President Bush), U.S. Intelligence intercepted North Carolinian Michael Moore's email -- likely believing it was written by independent film producer-icon (Bowling for Columbine) and author (Stupid White Men) Michael Moore. In other words, they got the wrong Michael Moore. The Michael Moore raided by the Secret Service last week is a 20-year war veteran who put his life on the line for his country during two separate tours of duty aboard the U.S.S. Paul Revere off the coast of Vietnam in 1971 and 1972 -- one of which was a highly dangerous mine-sweeping operation. Finding a few controversial albeit First Amendment-protected words in the Navy vet's email, the Intelligence agents apparently decided to kill two birds with one stone: 1) intimidate the former Vietnam veteran into allowing them to violate his personal privacy by performing a search of his home while knowing the story would reach the public -- thereby inculcating citizen fear of government power, and 2) send a veiled message to fervent presidential-critic and celebrity Michael Moore to let him know what lies down the road for him should his high-profile and media-oriented presidential disdain persist. There are no reports yet as to whether Michael Moore, the film and book luminary, will join the Navy vet with his appellation to promulgate a legal inquiry into how various sections of the Patriot Act are abused by government officials in order to intimidate and distress the citizenry. That may require the services of a constitutional attorney as valiant as the two Moores will need to be. According to Moore -- the North Carolinian who served in Vietnam, the Secret Service agents informed him that they work with the FBI and National Security Agency (NSA) jointly on national security issues --all of which was exclusively reported yesterday via the probingly perceptive questioning of Meria Heller during a live interview on her Meria Heller Internet Show. One of the agents told Moore that they had intercepted his email written to an online friend expressing his outrage over the recent election results and that he had called President Bush `Satan -- the third anti-Christ,' and a `Communist Republican,' among other soubriquets. In a special-report/email posted on Tom Flocco.com from his online friend BlackBear, the 20-year war veteran revealed that the agents said that they had to access my email to see if I posed a national security risk to the President -- who I now call the `Bush-Whacker.' The Secret Service agents and the local sheriff -- all displaying side-arms -- wanted more, however -- a portent of police-state prospects facing all Americans. They asked Michael Moore if they could enter his home because they wanted to ask him some questions and fill out forms for about a half hour -- which turned into more than an hour. Moore said they asked me what kind of drugs I am on, and where they could contact my ex-wife, adding that they also required that I sign a form permitting them to access all my medical history in the San Diego and Raleigh-Durham Veteran's hospitals. I was in shock and intimidated, he told us in a phone interview last night, adding I just cooperated in order to get them out of my home as soon as possible. Curiously, the next series of questions became all the more abusive to Moore as he began to realize that if the agents were already intercepting my email, they undoubtedly also had total prior access to my military occupational specialty (MOS) records, and other personal information not available to other citizens -- before they even entered my home. I was also upset when they asked for the names, addresses, and phone numbers of all my family, the Navy vet continued: They wanted to know if I had a history of mental illness, what I thought about assassinations, if I was going to Washington, DC to shoot the President, when was the last time I was out-of-state, whether I had sniper training in the military, what
[CTRL] [Fwd: The Information You Needed Did Not Get Through]
-Caveat Lector- http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=35842 The information you needed did not get through. John Kaminski Fri Dec 20 'The information you needed did not get through. A curtain of sleep. An examination of the Generation Gap in the 21st Century reveals a morbid twist of fate.' By John Kaminski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello? Are you there? (Can't tell.) Am I getting through? I need to give you a warning. Can you understand? The information you needed did not get through. From the time just after you went to school as a kid ... to about five minutes ago ... the information you have received has been mostly lies. All the people I talk to ... who can understand what I'm saying ... they're all about sixty years old. (Hello!) Much younger than that can't understand. The information you needed to thrive and prosper did not get through. I think it's the schools. Everyone should get out of the schools. Don't believe what they're saying. You've been taught to take bribes and keep your mouth shut. Don't do it. It used to be just the opposite. When I was twenty, the old people of whom I guess I am one now didn't have a clue. Maybe it was the Beatles? Or marijuana? Or the CIA LSD experiments? Or all three. Now, it seems the only people who notice what's going on are old and decrepit like me. Oh sure, there are indymedia protests and such, but most kids don't pay attention to their freedom evaporating in a landslide of phony patriotism, corporate hogwash raining down on us like prouncements from God to Moses on the mountain. I guess that's true of all the generations, though. Most don't pay attention. I've noticed in my transit through this life that music seems to imbed itself in your brain most in your late twenties. Something about fluidity of the inner ear creating a free-flowing balance that allows sound, particularly music, to work its wonderful way down into your synapses. So all your life you're stuck with whatever you listened to then. I'm lucky. I got the Marrakech Express. And Gil Scott-Heron's Johannesburg. Some people got the BeeGees, poor souls. But after that almost everything after that, from David Bowie on is corporate rock. Approved by the suits in the boardroom. Very little human about it. Strictly a business deal. Not really healthy stuff. The point being: Back when the music was good, it seemed that public issues were more widely understood. Nixon didn't get away with his crap. Today he would. Bush is getting away with his crap. I blame it on the music, on corporate control of creative options, mostly manifested through the rigidity of schools, who focus on creating lackey stooges rather than individuals with integrity. In fact, you probably never heard that in your passage through schools: individuals with integrity. The information you needed did not get through. It was diverted for the profits of a few. The misery of the millions was substituted. Teachers became businessmen. The contentment of civilization was diverted for the profits of a few. How can you identify the point at which it happened? You can track it from the point in the late '60s or early '70s when the percentage of hourly pay began to not rise in relation to the Gross National Product, or maybe that point in the late '50s when women started going to work (I'm not saying that's bad, but I am saying it changed the financial picture, and made big bucks for the power elite.) Wages have been essentially frozen since 1972. Sure, the numbers reflected by inflation have risen, but prices have risen much more drastically than wages. All that money has been stolen by the power elite, and all this time the big newspapers (which are owned by the power elite) have been saying everything was OK. The politicians, too. The information you needed did not get through. I don't think I'm just acting old, here. I think I am describing a phenomenon that actually happened, and I feel the need to try to warn you you folks younger than myself that everything you have been taught has been twisted for the purpose of profit. And if you say that, well, profit is the purpose of life, then that will be a sure sign that you have in fact been twisted. The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave is really a vicious corporate entity that has been making war on the rest of the world for the entire 20th century ... oh, not the people, of course. People are decent everywhere, if they have enough to eat. No, not the people, the movers and shakers. From the rape of the Philippines in 1899 to the target practice in Iraq in 2002, America has been at war with everyone, but has managed to convince its own populace that it was fighting for freedom. Yeah, the freedom to rip off everybody else in the world. Did you ever notice all America's best allies like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Colombia are vicious
Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas
-Caveat Lector- from: Jeff Rense - Fri., Dec. 19 '02 http://www.crncast.com/asxautomagic.asp?ArchiveDate=12-19-02 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
