Re: Held Packages on Sid
On 13 September 2011 14:05, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: David Baron wrote: Subject: Re: Held Packages on Sid There seem to be more and more of them. What's the score? I have a Sid system freshly updated and upgraded today and I see no packages held back on my desktop system with a lot of packages installed. At this moment I have 2693 packages installed. Everything looks heathy and happy to me. What packages are you seeing held back? Sometimes, without being aware of it these packages have been held back 'at your request'. Just enable installation through the Ncurses interface of aptitude and if there are any objections, decide on strategy on a case by case basis. But, usually, they'll just be installed with no questions asked. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: OT - Frequency of unsolicited emails
On 12 September 2011 05:19, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 09/11/2011 11:23 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:58:30 -0700, MR ZenWiz wrote: I've noticed since joining this list a number of weeks back that it is the only technical/OS discussion list to which I subscribe that frequently, as in one or more daily, ends up with emails in my spam list. Yup, the more mailing lists you subscribe, the more chances to get your inbox full of spam :-) Are we somehow more susceptible or less secure from spam than other lists, like Ubuntu users, CentOS users, GNOME users, etc. and if so, can't something be done about it? I'd say we are the same as in any other open mailing list. Or even we are less susceptible because Debian mailing lists lack for an archive (plain text based mbox file). It's a minor annoyance, but really, on an OS discussion list? Just saying I use a dedicated e-mail for posting in mailing lists so I keep my main inbox off of spam messages. True is that Gmail handles this reasonably well. Greetings, I agree with the OP. I subscribe to at least 5 lists, and the Debian list is the only one that consistently has all kinds of spam, not only in English, but in various foreign languages, some of them in strange scripts! Many of these appear to come from some travel agency, altho I have to guess, not being fluent in Hungarian, etc. But I think the situation has improved somewhat over the past 6 months or so. And I'm afraid I agree with Cam. This list is administered efficiently and *some* spam gets through occasionally. Considering the volume of the list, it amazes me how little gets through. Something to consider - about half the OS distros out there are based on Debian and half their list members are on the Debian list also. It's a BIG list. 1 or 2 spam messages a day on Debian-User is something it would take a miracle to rectify and, as has been noted, only a minor annoyance. Very minor. Configure your own spam filters as well, and the occurrence is less than trivial. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Certificate failures on apt servers
Hello, Am receiving certificate failure readouts off the server. I'll approach them directly, but I thought I'd let the list know as well. I've recently changed to using https off the server, but I've already had several downloads without this reaction. root@192-168-1-1:/home/nomad# aptitude update Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable InRelease Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable Release.gpg Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable Release Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/contrib TranslationIndex Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/main TranslationIndex Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/non-free TranslationIndex Err https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/main i386 Packages server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none Err https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/non-free i386 Packages server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none Err https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/contrib i386 Packages server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/contrib Translation-en_AU Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/contrib Translation-en Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/main Translation-en_AU Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/main Translation-en Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/non-free Translation-en_AU Ign https://ftp.au.debian.org unstable/non-free Translation-en Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Certificate failures on apt servers
On 10 September 2011 22:36, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/09/11 21:33, Heddle Weaver wrote: Hello, Am receiving certificate failure readouts off the server. I'll approach them directly, but I thought I'd let the list know as well. I've recently changed to using https off the server, but I've already had several downloads without this reaction. root@192-168-1-1:/home/nomad# aptitude update snipped I'm not having a problem with Andrew Pollocks self-signed certificate (I trust it over official certifiers)... He's well known in the Oz Debian community - if you have doubts contact him at apollock at the organisation that runs this list and ask for the fingerprint. No, that's alright. I was just concerned that there might be a problem that needed to be rectified. Perhaps you confuse mirror upgrades (current) with a certificate failure? https://ftp.au.debian.org/**maintenance.phphttps://ftp.au.debian.org/maintenance.php O.K., everything becomes clear! Thanks for that. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Rethinking Personal Information Management - Advice and Ideas needed
On 8 September 2011 18:27, Alan Chandler a...@chandlerfamily.org.uk wrote: I've been using KDEs kdepim package for a while now and it's fairly comprehensive. I know the word is Evolution, but I find KDE's apps a little more complete and you have an efficient server-side, groupware scenario with Kolab also. I run this and some gnome apps on XFCE, so this can be classified as an unbiased reporting. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Dual Boot.
On 1 September 2011 13:33, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: just got my duel boot machine running. works great with xp installed then debian with grub. works very great. Well, thanks, but it doesn't really tell me much does it? I've already said I've been able to do it in the past, but it's not happening this time. Perhaps if you read a post before you replied to it? Thank you for your contribution. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Dual Boot.
On 2 September 2011 02:30, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 September 2011 13:09, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: If your windows install uses the entire drive for one partition, then there isn't really anything the installer can do for you other than to wipe out windows. If on the other hand you have windows on a partition that does not use the entire drive, and there is unpartitioned space on the drive, then the installer should give you the option of using the largest unused space on the drive. Of course this is essentially never the case unless the person installing windows was thinking ahead. Windows people never think ahead. They let their pogrom do it for them. Since Debian's default install uses the whole disk, perhaps Debian people never think ahead... too. Criticizing Windows in this way makes you look silly; at best. Not really. It's not beyond the bounds of common knowledge that Windows keeps the fact that there might be alternatives somewhat in the dark and adheres to a mode of operation that promotes that. Even in Debian's default install you are presented with a range of options. When was the last time you did a Windows install that offered an ext3, ext4, or jfs format on any partition? I can connect to a Debian box and get a USB flash formatted in NTFS or FAT32, so that I can bring Windows files back home to work on them, just for one example. When did you ever get that option with Microsoft? My current situation, in fact, currently hinges on exactly that. If you state as you seem to be , that Microsoft don't enter into grubby strategies of monopoly control, it ain't me that looks 'silly at best'. See ya! Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Dual Boot.
On 2 September 2011 01:13, Bruno Martins bmomart...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 10:23 AM, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 1 September 2011 13:33, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: just got my duel boot machine running. works great with xp installed then debian with grub. works very great. Well, thanks, but it doesn't really tell me much does it? I've already said I've been able to do it in the past, but it's not happening this time. Perhaps if you read a post before you replied to it? Thank you for your contribution. Regards, Weaver. Hello Heddle, Hello Bruno, What's really the problem you're experiencing regarding to dual-boot setup? First up: Thanks for a constructive reply. It's been some time since I've done this. Not since XP first came out, in fact, so I've forgotten something that I can't find reference to. I got a great deal, through a rtecycler, of a Dell desktop, monitor, mouse and keyboard, fully reconditioned, for $200.00. It came with XP and Office preinstalled, on an NTFS file system that takes up the whole disc. It does exist, because I'm currently posting from it. What I want to do, is install /root and /swap on about 15 Gb, allowing for the format also, on the end of the disc, which I can associate with an already established /home partition on an external expansion drive, with Grub2 handling the boot. Is there a way to resize the NTFS partition, from within the Windows environment, so that I have free space to create the partition? Because in the current circumstance, I can see no evidence of the Windows partition during the Debian install. Only an existing 'whole of disc' NTFS format. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Dual Boot.
On 2 September 2011 01:00, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 01 September 2011 10:23:11 Heddle Weaver wrote: I've already said I've been able to do it in the past, but it's not happening this time. Perhaps if you didn't break the threading people could follow you better. You said nothing about previous occasions in the mail to which Jeremy was replying, UMMM! Yes I did. merely made a sweeping generalistion about Windows users. I made a statement about Windows users, not people that venture beyond that environment. He then points out that not all Windows users are incompetent - and you leap on him. He is not a strict windows user and I still maintain he contributed nothing. Is that 'keeping the threading?' I repeat, if you want people to be able to follow your long and convoluted threads, I have had one, long and convoluted thread in the time I've been associated with Debian. That's a period of about eight years. That was long and convoluted because of a lot of unconstructive and non-contributing verbiage on behalf of others. I remember just the one reply by somebody, that stated I shouldn't have something somewhere, but absolutely no information as to what I should or what should be kept or what should be substituted, for example. There were other examples of self elevation at the expense of the situation and myself. Luckily I have always taken the viewpoint that if anybody believes that in putting me down makes them feel better about themselves, that they should just go ahead and be my guest, but you can see how long and convoluted threads come about. A problem is posted with a view to assistance, and then others post their problems. Perhaps this is their concept of 'keeping the threading'. Luckily I gained the help of some constructive individuals amongst the mess. I remember who they are also and the appreciation I expressed was directed to them. you need to keep the threading. If it is not possible for you to keep the threading, then it ill behoves you to blame other people for not following the thread. How has the threading not been kept? No need to answer. I've got my own problems and I'd much rather stay on thread. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: sources.list directory specification
On 2 September 2011 01:13, rlhar...@hal-pc.org wrote: I am trying to compose a sources.list file for each of three machines; one is for Lenny (oldstable), one is for Squeeze (stable), and one is for Wheezy (testing). snip You could just install and run netselect-apt from each machine? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 31/08/2011, D G Teed donald.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Andrew McGlashan I cannot believe this thread is still going -- it is way beyond funny now it's ludicrous to say the least Your Ethernet device is broken and if it is not broken, then get someone else to fix this problem for you as you are only going around in circles and getting nowhere. I should add, your earlier suggestion to boot from a Live CD is a very good one. It would provide a very quick method to determine if the hardware or the OS install was faulty. If the Live CD works to get on the 'net, then the notebook hardware is fine and the install/configuration is botched. Yes, I wanted to try this earlier, but had no way to download an iso. But, as things have turned out, there's no longer a problem. As the wheezy weekly build netinstall couldn't seem to see the XP partition on the PC, I was forced to install Debian on the laptop. I did an expert install and besides not selecting kernel options like remote install through ssh, I also foregoed ppp and pppd-udeb installs. Dhcp picked up the router during network detection automagically and I'm posting this from the laptop on a wheezy install on a stable, consistent connection. My humble thanks to all for the time and trouble they've put in. It has been much appreciated. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPeXKO2Po6A3iQ+s9MM6zL6+7bdVgKHVK74_=Ogs=2yoadt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dual Boot.
On 1 September 2011 13:09, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.cawrote: snip If your windows install uses the entire drive for one partition, then there isn't really anything the installer can do for you other than to wipe out windows. If on the other hand you have windows on a partition that does not use the entire drive, and there is unpartitioned space on the drive, then the installer should give you the option of using the largest unused space on the drive. Of course this is essentially never the case unless the person installing windows was thinking ahead. Windows people never think ahead. They let their pogrom do it for them. But something like Gparted should be able to help? Other than buying a second drive? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Billion 7800N
On 29 August 2011 22:56, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.brwrote: On Dom, 28 Ago 2011, Heddle Weaver wrote: O.K.I removed ppp, as it wasn't required, which, of course, removed pppoe and pppoeconf, because they depend on it and now I have: Bandit:/home/weaver# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Bandit:/home/weaver# .No ppp! Isn't it great? And then, of course, we have: Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 [and so on] You seem to be missing dhcp. Your /etc/network/interfaces should have these lines auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Well, it does. But that's all it has. Work in progress and will advise of outcomes. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 29 August 2011 13:05, D G Teed donald.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 August 2011 11:41, D G Teed donald.t...@gmail.com wrote: I started another reply, and it had lots of steps to try to repair this situation, but then I rethought. If this is a fresh install, and you have no data to keep on the Debian system, here is a bulletproof solution: Reinstall. This is the latest fashion. It's not a new install, but I have my /home partition on an external 1TB expansion drive, so inconvenience is minimal and the revision factor won't hurt. I suggested reinstall as it would be the quickest way to get rid of ppp daemon if you didn't know how to disable the service. But now that that mystery is resolved, no need to reinstall. Once ppp is gone, then set up DHCP to get your IP from the router on Debian system. This would be the entry in /etc/network/interfaces I mentioned before: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Then reboot. You are really not that far off from getting this up. Well, I've actually done this, but I didn't have too much success. Of course, I didn't give up trying. Unfortunately, I think I tried too much and too far and that's about all I have left in /etc/network/interfaces. I thought I'd wait until I installed the new Debian config on the new, secondhand PC. I'm actually posting from that now. So easy when you can access the interface. Once I get a successful config on the new Debian install, I was going to try copying the configuration over to the laptop. I know I've deleted something on the laptop in the 'network' config that I shouldn't have. Doing it this way is the most constructive way to become more familiar with things, I think. Failing that, I'll do a new install on the laptop, but I think it'll be alright. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 27 August 2011 06:10, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.brwrote: On 08/26/2011 04:08 PM, Heddle Weaver wrote: All ISPs in Australia employ PPPoE. PPPoA is available, in many instances also. And elsewhere too, but your modem appears to be a router. In this case, it handles PPPoE by itself, and all you need is to get an ip from it via dhcp. Yes. It probably has a bridge mode in which your computer has to establish the PPPoE connection, but unless you have a specific reason to want it, let the modem do it. Yes, in fact it has a separate port for bridging to a modem in the situation of a fibre network (for example0, but we don't need to be concerned with that here. The computer is plugged into one of the four LAN ports, on the router, from the ethernet port on the laptop. In other words, get rid of ppp. You don't need it. O.K.I removed ppp, as it wasn't required, which, of course, removed pppoe and pppoeconf, because they depend on it and now I have: Bandit:/home/weaver# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Bandit:/home/weaver# .No ppp! Isn't it great? And then, of course, we have: Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:16 lo Link encap:Local Loopback LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Which also endorses the fact that I have no connection whatsoever! We have consistency! I used to have a LAN problem and now I don't have it any more! A LAN, I mean, and lesser minds would be somewhat nonplussed by this. But not me! A mere bagatelle! It's a unique way of dealing with a problem that I simply haven't come across before, for some obscure reason. If you have a problem within any given environment, simply remove the environment! Just think of the potential in regard to other more major issues! Planetary pollution? Simply remove the planet! Here I await, Breath abate, for even greater revelations from this list. Please, keep them coming. I get my new, secondhand PC delivered tomorrow morning. Stand by for the next episode in 'Weaver - Lost In The Network!' Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 27 August 2011 11:41, D G Teed donald.t...@gmail.com wrote: I started another reply, and it had lots of steps to try to repair this situation, but then I rethought. If this is a fresh install, and you have no data to keep on the Debian system, here is a bulletproof solution: Reinstall. This is the latest fashion. It's not a new install, but I have my /home partition on an external 1TB expansion drive, so inconvenience is minimal and the revision factor won't hurt. When you reinstall, don't do anything fancy with network. Just let it do the default with DHCP. Plug it into the router LAN jack as you do the install. I'm pretty sure the netinstall will pick up the modem/router and install it anyway, for apt. All that's required for that is the username and password. Once Debian is installed, run a web browser and go to the webpage on your router as documented in the router manual. In the router's web site (something like 192.168.1.1), set up the Internet connection to login via PPPoE. If you have already set up the router from your Mac or Windows system and a web browser, you don't need to do it again from Linux, it will just work. If the Debian system can see the router website, but not the Internet after setting up the router with the ISP info, try one reboot of Debian to give it a chance to load the networking since the router had its configuration done. This is the shortest and simplest path to fixing up the botched Linux networking setup you have. I'm getting a new, secondhand PC tomorrow, which has a Windows install on it. I'll be putting a Debian partition on the end of the drive with the same password and username/rootpswd, etc as the current laptop install., which will allocate the external drive to the PC. I will then do a fresh install of Debian on the laptop, with new username/password, etc, which has a 160GB harddrive, which will be plenty for a notebook install if I off-load onto the main system occasionally. Remember, the idea is to allow the router to be your path to the Internet. It will handle everything, and the Linux system only needs to get on the LAN, behind the firewall on the router. That's been the main problem, I think. I didn't appreciate the difference in thinking between a modem and a modem/router. Debian Billion Router ISP Modem -- Internet Cheers! Thanks for the time and trouble. Once it's sorted, I'll write it up and post it to give this thread validity and supply a resource for others. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Email on the FreedomBox Discussion
On 24 August 2011 16:19, John Walsh fiftyf...@waldevin.com wrote: ** Hi Everybody, Hello John, snip The FreedomBox (FBX) IRC Chat on the 2011-08-15 15:00UTC raised the possibility that the FBX will not have email. This is the discussion that bdale requested. I am a user who wants my email on my FBX rather than my ISP's server - my data on my FBX. I primarily receive email for quotes, purchases, delivery notices, bill notices, school-related activities (my children), party invites and registering at websites (identity management). I also use email to write to my family or who live in a different country and lately I have been using email to write to the the FreedomBox mailing list ;) I don't see businesses or primary schools (the school bans the use of Facebook) giving up the use of email or websites requesting email addresses any time soon. These are the reasons I would like to see email on the FBX reference implementation and besides the Foundation states a FBX will have Email and telecommunications that protects privacy and resists eavesdropping. My primary applications are browser, email and a word-processor. Every PC comes with these applications pre-installed, but they do not come with an XMPP or SIP clients. Firstly, why do you need a Freedom Box for these functions. What's wrong with keeping all this material on your PC at home? First of all, I would be gratefully if somebody could explain how an smtp+imap email service does not align or promote many of the desired attributes of a FBX? Because it can be traced from server to server with time, date and address stamping, the which facilities have enabled it to be have the same standing in a court of law, in most national environments, as fax. Secondly, for me webmail/email is a mature application so I don't understand why the FBX has to add additional value to the email experience? The 'why' lies in the 'additional value'. As in advanced encryption, etc. Plain text transmission is one big security hole. If you are concerned enough to want your every day community based email to go through a FBX, I find it hard to equate that same personality attributing standard email as a 'mature application'. Facebook's messaging application is basically email by another name. AFAICT, Friendika (distributed social networking software) requires an IMAP server (Friendika settings) for their messaging application. 'Facebook' and 'Security' are two terminologies that simply don't belong in the same environment. Whalberg would sell his own grandmother into Gitmo if there was a dollar in it. Let the discussion begin... How's that for starters? If you are truly concerned about email security, get an account here: https://user.riseup.net/forms/new_user/first But, if you can put up with using just email to help organise the next PTA meeting, go here when you feel like wearing your underwear on the outside of your clothing like the rest of us: http://code.google.com/p/torchat/ Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 26 August 2011 05:05, D G Teed donald.t...@gmail.com wrote: On a re-read of what I wrote earlier, it might be a little confusing where I say you need static network set up and then instruct on how to do DHCP. Perhaps I can just make an assumption or two and give you some simple steps. Assuming your ISP does use PPPoE, and you are using the router device to connect your system to the ISP/Internet: All ISPs in Australia employ PPPoE. PPPoA is available, in many instances also. 1. Disable pppd. This is important. I think the command would be: update-rc.d disable pppd No, that's not it. I'm getting a read-out that says it's not available. 2. Ensure eth0 network device will be able to get an IP from the router via DHCP. This would be the entry in /etc/network/interfaces I mentioned before: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp I placed this into that file and nothing has changed. If anything, connectivity is a little worse. 3. Reboot to allow pppd to go away and dhcp client to kick in. 4. Verify your IP and routing are good: route -n (Here is mine: route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth1 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth1 ) Yours would be similar except 192.168.1 everywhere and likely eth0. Bandit:/home/weaver# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 10.20.21.72 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 Bandit:/home/weaver# eth0 used to be in there. ifconfig -a Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2895 errors:0 dropped:7 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3480 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2053262 (1.9 MiB) TX bytes:668068 (652.4 KiB) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.72 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:262 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:259 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:177245 (173.0 KiB) TX bytes:8 (86.8 KiB) The upside is that I only have one ppp action .at present. I think the output of that is covered previously. 5. Start up a web browser and visit your Billion router at whatever IP the router documentation says it is running on. No, that still doesn't happen. Though I'm posting this from that same laptop. 6. Configure the router for Internet (WAN) access according to the ISP's information. 7. The Internet should now work from the Debian system. It always has. The problem has been that access has been only intermittent and inconsistent when I have gained access. I managed an aptitude cli update/safe-upgrade two nights ago, with about two dozen attempts. Download speeds varied from 8 Bytes/s to 1,686 Kb/s. All over the place. But, at least we can be safe in assuming that the higher speeds weren't by way of your standard dial-up facility. Oh, well. never mind. I get a fully checked out, brand new, second-hand pc in two days. I expect no problems with connectivity with the installed windows whatever, or with the Debian partition I'll install from a downloaded netinstall ISO. It's all very simple here in Australia. The vast majority of ISPs automatically allocate Primary and Secondary DNS as well as IP addresses, so basically all that's required with initial config is username and password. That hasn't been the case this time. I won't give up on the old laptop until I know it's completely hopeless - maybe once I get reconnected I'll try a wireless card. I also need to understand a lot more about networking than I do, also. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 22 August 2011 22:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:27:57 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 21 August 2011 21:20, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: But do you really need it? I mean, does your ISP require you to use a PPP connection with your router? I also use a DSL connection and don't need PPP for nothing. No I don't. I need pppd of course, but not ppp. And here's a second sample to show how some things seem to move around: Second sample: weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# plog Aug 24 11:35:00 Bandit pppd[22604]: Serial link appears to be disconnected. Aug 24 11:35:00 Bandit pppd[22604]: Connect time 3.0 minutes. Aug 24 11:35:00 Bandit pppd[22604]: Sent 182 bytes, received 3875 bytes. Aug 24 11:35:06 Bandit pppd[19295]: Connection terminated. Aug 24 11:35:06 Bandit pppd[19295]: Modem hangup Aug 24 11:35:06 Bandit pppd[22604]: Connection terminated. Aug 24 11:35:06 Bandit pppd[22604]: Modem hangup Bandit:/home/weaver# Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.81 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:54 (54.0 B) TX bytes:210 (210.0 B) Bandit:/home/weaver# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1573 errors:0 dropped:119 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1796 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:150412 (146.8 KiB) TX bytes:131579 (128.4 KiB) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:529 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:529 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:31314 (30.5 KiB) TX bytes:31314 (30.5 KiB) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.81 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:54 (54.0 B) TX bytes:210 (210.0 B) ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.81 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:114 (114.0 B) TX bytes:314 (314.0 B) ppp2 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.72 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:54 (54.0 B) TX bytes:106 (106.0 B) ppp3 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.36 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:37 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:31 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:11616 (11.3 KiB) TX bytes:4172 (4.0 KiB) ppp4 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.36 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1197 (1.1 KiB) TX bytes:586 (586.0 B) ppp5 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.173 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:181 (181.0 B) TX bytes:54 (54.0 B) ppp6 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.173 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:7
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 22 August 2011 22:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:27:57 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 21 August 2011 21:20, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: But do you really need it? I mean, does your ISP require you to use a PPP connection with your router? I also use a DSL connection and don't need PPP for nothing. No I don't. I need pppd of course, but not ppp. Can you explain why you need pppd? :-? Well, I was under the impression that with ppp over ethernet, the daemon would be required. I'm probably wrong. That's alright. It makes other people feel good. Can you point me to somewhere on the Internet where I can see what are your ISP connection settings? I'll bring them into town and post them on the next trip, probably tomorrow. This is getting very interesting, like a mystery novel :-) I've got severe health problems, so I have access to the computers of a specialist Disabled Job Network organisation. They somewhat draw the line before downloading an iso and burning it to disc, though. This is also why I haven't got back to the list over the last couple of days. Stretched out on a bed with a definition of headaches that engenders a death-wish, which I would indulge in if I could move. Luckily the situation takes over completely and I'm incapable of moving. Okay, that's what I thought. Then the same has to apply for your linux box. Can you check if DHCP is enable on the windows laptop? It's not mine. so I've given it back, but to establish a connection immediately, it must have been as I would have needed an IP address to connect. Yes, having DHCP on is the most common nowadays. Anyway, having a static IP would have required to manually set the gateway. Well, there could be something in that. As I recall, this ISP relegates static and not dynamic addresses. The network card requires a firmware, you should download from non-free repos. Additional information here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware Further along in the sequence, eth0 and the firmware seem to connect up, so I don't think there's a problem there. Anyway, you should install it. O.K. I'll do that with aptitude when I get a connection. Yep, just to discard any source of the problem. In fact, the same you did in your windows box you have to do in your linux box. If DHCP is enabled on windows, enable it on linux. If no dialer was used in windows, do not use a dialer in linux, and so on... Well, I'm actually getting an IP address on the Linux laptop, so DHCP must be active. If your ethernet device has an IP assigned that means the router is able to communicate with your laptop and so you should also be able to access to the router or at least get a response from wget different than a timeout :-? I believe the contact between the laptop and modem is inconsistent and think this is the source of the majority of disconnections. I think there is more than one aspect to this problem. I'll post that when I get back in also, although I'm sure I've done it already somewhere. I recall my IP, the peer's IP, DNS primary and secondary, amongst other things, but I'll get proof positive. Regards and thanks, Waiting anxiously for the feedback :-) O.K., here it is, but it might be a bit of an over-dose: dhcp last modified May 23rd, and dhcp3, last modified April 29th, both installed and appear active ~ Primary server: 203.12.160.35 Secondary server: 203.12.160.36 These are both present and correct in 'resolve.conf' ~~ This is interesting because it states 'existing default route through ppp3': weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# plog Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: PAP authentication succeeded Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: peer from calling number 00:03:A0:11:E0:78 authorized Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: not replacing existing default route through ppp3 Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: local IP address 110.174.203.247 Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: remote IP address 10.20.21.81 Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: primary DNS address 203.12.160.35 Aug 23 18:24:15 Bandit pppd[22604]: secondary DNS address 203.12.160.36 Bandit:/home/weaver# ~~ ...and here we have ppp addresses where there shouldn't be any: Bandit:/home/weaver# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2297 errors:0 dropped:110 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3351 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:583932 (570.2 KiB) TX bytes:340990 (332.9 KiB) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 21 August 2011 13:28, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Hi, Heddle Weaver wrote: So it looks more and more like hardware. Regards, I don't agree. The 7800N is one of Billion's best modems, it may be faulty, but I don't think so reading through all this horrible thread. As I have already said, if you had actually read the thread. The thread and your experience completely mis-represents Billion's product as it seems you are clueless on how to use it properly and as designed No, I have not represented Billion's product, I have actually endorsed it. -- ala, as others have said, it should not require anything special and almost ANY reasonable browser will work fine for configuration with standard browser settings on Linux or Windows or any other operating system that understands and works properly with standard TCP networks. But, it doesn't. Access to the modem interface has not been achieved through the use of four separate browsers. But, you would know this, having read the thread. What I find happens with many Mac users is that they try to setup PPP login on their computer, when the modem is meant to be doing the job for their network. This kind of problem is not something that is normally seen with Linux users as they tend to have more of a clue than a Mac user and usually more of a clue than most Windows users. This is somewhat extraneous as there is no Mac or network, other than a laptop and the modem. I suggest the following: First off, connect the modem directly to the setup machine via the Ethernet cable using a LAN port, do not connect to any other devices, ie no switches or other network -- just the modem with the computer. This has already been done. It is fully recorded in the thread. Oh, connect the phone line of the DSL connection too, make sure it isn't filtered coming in to the modem. Yes, so far a standard set-up. And what I've had from the beginning of this situation. - Fully reset the 7800N to factory defaults, any way you can, even using the Windows machine. This is accomplished by way of using the 'reset' button. A facility on most modems. - Use a LIVE CD and eliminate your Linux installation from the equation. The Live CD needs to work, it needs to have drivers for your network card -- if it works fine, then proceed using the setup, otherwise continue with the Windows machine. There's nothing wrong with the O.S., which has also been recently established. When I was referring to a hardware problem, I was referring to the motherboard of an ageing laptop. - Check that you have an IP address in the range of the modem's standard LAN (probably 192.168.1.254 or 192.168.2.254), netmask is 255.255.255.0. - You should be able to telnet to the modem with username admin and password admin -- logout with user logout on the command line interface, don't do anything else here, you seem to be out of your depth in this area. This will prove connectivity with the modem on it's network and that everything should be fine. We have already done this and access is not available by way of telnet or wget. But, you would know this, having read the thread. Take a breath. If all the above works fine, then you should use the web config of the modem. Take a breath. This is not achievable under the current circumstances, because we cannot access the modem interface. You seem to be under the impression that this is the first modem I have configured. It isn't. - Login to the web config using http://192.168.1.254 -- the username and password will both be admin. Once logged in. - Run the quick start wizard. Change only two things, the ISP username and the ISP password. [You may want to scan connection types first, or not). ISPs may give you DNS servers and other setting, but you normally only want to change two things, the PPP username login and the PPP password. - Once you have gone through setting up the ISP login (which the modem takes care of), then do a save configuration to flash, click on the save link, then click on the apply button -- wait for it to say it has been done successfully. You should now have a modem that offers default wireless (fix that ASAP), it should give out IP settings via DHCP (it's own built-in server) and it will be connected to the Internet via the ISP login that you entered. Any machine needing access to the Internet through this modem will simply plug in to the built-in LAN switch or use wireless. The device will get IP settings via DHCP. You do not need to do any kind of PPP login on anything other than the modem itself. Further configuration is for someone whom understands the above things properly first, for starters. All of this is understood, you see. But first we need to access the modem interface, yes/no? Any further configuration is more advanced. I strongly urge you to work out, properly, how
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 21 August 2011 19:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:11:19 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 20 August 2011 05:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Wait... what are those pppx connections? Where are they coming from? Are you using another device to get connected on Internet? The only other device I've used is the borrowed XP laptop I used to set up the modem in the first place. That was a wireless connection, even though I plugged the cable in. I was just so glad to get a connection, I let it go. Perhaps it's a hangover from that? You said you used another laptop with XP to test the connection with the router but that does not explain what are pppd connections doing in your linux box :-) (ppp are a different method to get a connection over Internet, nowadays mostly used for dial-up modems or USB DSL modems but I'm afraid that's not your case...) Will check out /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-providers. Sounds like I might have screwed something up in there. Can you explain how did you connect your windows computer to Internet? What steps did you follow? Maybe this way we can understand what is going on... That's all there was. Just the one machine, with a wireless config to set up the WAN, but with the ethernet cable plugged in. Possibly, with windows typical interference, it's configured the modem with his account details and I'm getting free access? The pressure builds. I've got to sort this out! It is still not clear what steps did you follow to get your XP laptop connected to the router :-? Just the ethernet cable, that's all. The pop-up for the quick connect just appeared on the screen. I didn't have to go looking for anything. Different laptop, mainboard. I took a look at dmesg to see what that could tell me about what was going on. First in the sequence I got this: [2.129507] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95705A50) rev 3003] (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) MAC address 00:15:60:c2:63:46 [2.142802] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: attached PHY is 5705 (10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet) (WireSpeed[0]) That's the normal log for a network card. Which seems to suggest that the non-free Tygon firmware is involved. I thought that was just for hard drives. Further down in the sequence I get this: [ 252.853480] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load firmware tigon/tg3_tso5.bin (...) The network card requires a firmware, you should download from non-free repos. Additional information here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware Further along in the sequence, eth0 and the firmware seem to connect up, so I don't think there's a problem there. And at last we arrive at this - and if it applies, I would have no idea. I just wish they'd write this stuff in English. (...) That looks like the firewall log, nothing wrong nor nothing you should worry about :-) O.K., thanks. So good to have constructive mentalities to talk to. Maybe I'll be able to help you one day. As you were saying, with eth0 and a cable, there's nothing much that can go wrong, so with the disconnects, it looks like the problem is before that. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: Fwd: Billion 7800N
I'll be glad when I can get away from web mail and post directly to the list instead of sending them direct by mistake. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 22 August 2011 10:09 Subject: Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N To: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au On 21 August 2011 21:02, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Hi, Hello, I've read the thread completely. It seems clear to me that you have had networking issues where you've had an IP and then not had an IP. If you have a fully working TCP/IP V4 stack, then I'm sure you'll see success. Well, yes, but a lot of what I'm reading from plog is along the lines of: 'modem not detected' or 'serial port closed'. This tells me that at least part of the problem is local. Probably a short circuit in the legend between the keyboard and the chair. Have you tried a live cd? Tried to download an ISO (Vector Linux), but can't hold a connection long enough. Pressing the reset button on the Billion modems, usually resets to factory default, it doesn't always work -- but for sure it does work most of the time. Yes, usually holding it depressed for ten seconds works. You've also shown evidence of PPP in your setup, unless you wish to use bridge mode, you shouldn't have anything in relation to ppp in your Linux setup. This is something I'm just getting onto. I didn't think a lot on it initially because I have no intention of rigging up dial-up. I don't have a modem for that and I don't even know what the number is at present. I have to look in /var/~run to see what's being said. Most of the data is pasted to mousepad and saved to a flash drive, then posted on a windows machine about a mile from where I live, so it's a long process. Thanks. Regards, Weaver. btw glad you enjoyed the laugh ;-) Hope you enjoyed yours ;-) -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 21 August 2011 21:03, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.brwrote: On 08/21/2011 07:53 AM, Heddle Weaver wrote: We have already done this and access is not available by way of telnet or wget. But, you would know this, having read the thread. This thread is far too long and confused, so this might have been asked already: give us the output of /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route -n Will post these next trip into town. I had a link last night but haven't been able to get it back yet. Regards, Weaver. -- His mind is like a steel trap: full of mice. -- Foghorn Leghorn Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e50e5f8.1060...@kalinowski.com.br -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 21 August 2011 21:20, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:07:50 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 21 August 2011 19:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: (ppp are a different method to get a connection over Internet, nowadays mostly used for dial-up modems or USB DSL modems but I'm afraid that's not your case...) Will check out /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-providers. Sounds like I might have screwed something up in there. But do you really need it? I mean, does your ISP require you to use a PPP connection with your router? I also use a DSL connection and don't need PPP for nothing. No I don't. I need pppd of course, but not ppp. Can you point me to somewhere on the Internet where I can see what are your ISP connection settings? I'll bring them into town and post them on the next trip, probably tomorrow. It is still not clear what steps did you follow to get your XP laptop connected to the router :-? Just the ethernet cable, that's all. The pop-up for the quick connect just appeared on the screen. I didn't have to go looking for anything. Different laptop, mainboard. Okay, that's what I thought. Then the same has to apply for your linux box. Can you check if DHCP is enable on the windows laptop? It's not mine. so I've given it back, but to establish a connection immediately, it must have been as I would have needed an IP address to connect. [ 252.853480] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load firmware tigon/tg3_tso5.bin (...) The network card requires a firmware, you should download from non-free repos. Additional information here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware Further along in the sequence, eth0 and the firmware seem to connect up, so I don't think there's a problem there. Anyway, you should install it. O.K. I'll do that with aptitude when I get a connection. O.K., thanks. So good to have constructive mentalities to talk to. Maybe I'll be able to help you one day. As you were saying, with eth0 and a cable, there's nothing much that can go wrong, so with the disconnects, it looks like the problem is before that. Regards, In fact, the same you did in your windows box you have to do in your linux box. If DHCP is enabled on windows, enable it on linux. If no dialer was used in windows, do not use a dialer in linux, and so on... Well, I'm actually getting an IP address on the Linux laptop, so DHCP must be active. I'll post that when I get back in also, although I'm sure I've done it already somewhere. I recall my IP, the peer's IP, DNS primary and secondary, amongst other things, but I'll get proof positive. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 20 August 2011 05:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Wait... what are those pppx connections? Where are they coming from? Are you using another device to get connected on Internet? The only other device I've used is the borrowed XP laptop I used to set up the modem in the first place. That was a wireless connection, even though I plugged the cable in. I was just so glad to get a connection, I let it go. Perhaps it's a hangover from that? And I can't see the address anywhere. Also, according to the manual, the mask address is supposed to be 225.25.225.0 There is something evil happening. I can't actually remember adjusting anything, yet the connection, far from good, is the best I've had so far. The above data is very clear: your ethernet device has lost (again) its configuration. what I dunno is what are the remainder ppp connections :-? Can you explain how did you connect your windows computer to Internet? What steps did you follow? Maybe this way we can understand what is going on... That's all there was. Just the one machine, with a wireless config to set up the WAN, but with the ethernet cable plugged in. Possibly, with windows typical interference, it's configured the modem with his account details and I'm getting free access? The pressure builds. I've got to sort this out! I took a look at dmesg to see what that could tell me about what was going on. First in the sequence I got this: [2.129507] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95705A50) rev 3003] (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) MAC address 00:15:60:c2:63:46 [2.142802] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: attached PHY is 5705 (10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet) (WireSpeed[0]) Which seems to suggest that the non-free Tygon firmware is involved. I thought that was just for hard drives. Further down in the sequence I get this: [ 252.853480] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load firmware tigon/tg3_tso5.bin [ 252.855483] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: TSO capability disabled [ 252.994052] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 253.367980] PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 [ 254.103297] process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead. [ 254.471468] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team [ 254.489770] ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team [ 254.515823] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max) [ 256.159728] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex [ 256.159732] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX [ 256.160083] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready [ 256.170762] fuse init (API version 7.16) [ 257.872663] input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input9 [ 266.944025] eth0: no IPv6 routers present [ 267.224323] NET: Registered protocol family 24 [ 271.333079] AIF:Dropped INPUT packet: IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=61.128.110.98 DST=110.174.203.247 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=108 ID=256 PROTO=TCP SPT=6000 DPT=1433 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 And at last we arrive at this - and if it applies, I would have no idea. I just wish they'd write this stuff in English. [ 568.682330] AIF:Dropped INPUT packet: IN=ppp1 OUT= MAC= SRC=76.72.165.90 DST=110.174.203.247 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=116 ID=256 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=12200 DPT=8909 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 [ 990.383838] gs[7403]: segfault at 40 ip b70f70f2 sp bffce1a0 error 4 in libgs.so.9.02[b6f56000+4e5000] [ 999.945440] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:b8:ff:61:ee:d3:40:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=54518 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 [ 1001.964640] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:b8:ff:61:ee:d3:40:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=54519 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 [ 2137.861131] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52104 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 [ 2139.057008] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52105 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 [ 2154.619171] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52110 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 And that's it! 'Life in the bitter sea', as the Chinese say, and I'm drowning. Thanks for staying with this. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 20 August 2011 06:07, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:02:17 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: I don't know what's happening any more. I think I'm being haunted. Greemlins are anywhere and they like computers so much, keep your eyes opened! X-) I've just reset the modem to see if I could access the modem url to set it up properly. Hum... I hope the router restores fine from a reset with all the wan settings already predefined for your ISP. Resetting the router is not a task you have to do every day, just avoid to do that unless is strictly necessary :-) I've got four green leds up, Power; Lan; Wireless (The laptop doesn't have a wireless card) DSL. The 5th light is for 'net, and it's orange, which means no connection, but I'm sending this on my gmail account through that same laptop. I'm going to need more than a pair of low-slung six-guns to get me out of this! Usually, the orange light of the Internet port means the router is trying to get an IP for the ISP, after a reset this can be normal. Yes, but after it achieves that, the led turns green and flashes, along with the LAN led to indicate net activity with this modem. And don't worry for Gmail, this is another beast and does its own caching magic in the background... Yes, and there's going to be a lot more activity of that type coming up too. I just hope I'm good enough at the time to evade it all. Corporate money buying our privacy and we don't even get the money. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 20 August 2011 05:50, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:18:37 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 16 August 2011 22:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49-- http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:07:36-- (try: 2) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:08:23-- (try: 3) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. Hum... are you sure your router is still at 192.168.1.254? I ran some status checks and get multiple results, without any other configuration: Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: peer from calling number 00:03:A0:11:DC:78 authorized Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: not replacing existing default route through ppp1 Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: local IP address 110.174.203.247 Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: remote IP address 10.20.21.36 Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: primary DNS address 203.12.160.35 Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: secondary DNS address 203.12.160.36 and: Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: remote IP address 10.20.21.81 Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: primary DNS address 203.12.160.35 Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: secondary DNS address 203.12.160.36 and: Bandit:/home/weaver# plog Aug 21 12:03:46 Bandit pppd[32274]: Modem hangup Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: No response to 3 echo-requests Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Serial link appears to be disconnected. Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Connect time 2.4 minutes. Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Sent 4422 bytes, received 0 bytes. Aug 21 12:03:56 Bandit pppd[1824]: Connection terminated. Aug 21 12:03:56 Bandit pppd[1824]: Modem hangup and with: Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.81 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:435 (435.0 B) TX bytes:106 (106.0 B) So it looks more and more like hardware. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 16 August 2011 22:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:18:01 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 16 August 2011 05:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: How about a simple wget 192.168.1.254? weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49-- http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:07:36-- (try: 2) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:08:23-- (try: 3) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. Hum... are you sure your router is still at 192.168.1.254? I don't know what's happening any more. I think I'm being haunted. I've just reset the modem to see if I could access the modem url to set it up properly. I've got four green leds up, Power; Lan; Wireless (The laptop doesn't have a wireless card) DSL. The 5th light is for 'net, and it's orange, which means no connection, but I'm sending this on my gmail account through that same laptop. I'm going to need more than a pair of low-slung six-guns to get me out of this! Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 16 August 2011 22:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:18:01 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 16 August 2011 05:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: How about a simple wget 192.168.1.254? weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49-- http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:07:36-- (try: 2) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:08:23-- (try: 3) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. Hum... are you sure your router is still at 192.168.1.254? Yes, because I'm still getting some connections. Every now and again, I get some connections I haven't been able to, e.g., This is the first time I've been able to get access to gmail for two days. (...) I think I have messed up my install inadvertently, in a way that the fact that it is SID doesn't account for. Really, I can't see how your network configuration can be a problem here. If you have setup static values for your NIC and you can ping/reach your DSL router you should get the same you get when using a Windows client. There is no more magic behind an ethernet device and that's precisely its best bet: it works regardless the OS and does not require for special drivers :-) I'm thinking it must be something under the network config. Something in the O.S. itself that has come adrift. I'll try a reinstall. My /home partition is on an external drive, so the data is safe and a reinstall doesn't represent as much of a problem as it would otherwise. Reinstalling is a no-no in the linux ecosphere, is the last resort for the brave and valiants riders (just kidding :-P)... and in this case I'm afraid you won't obtain any gain in doing it. You better hang in there and try to solve the mistery by yourself :-) I understand, but I notice things like the port light on a the laptop's ethernet outlet doesn't seem as busy as it should be and I suspect that, in an eight year old laptop, the main-board may have problems. This is beyond the Lone Ranger, or even the Silver Surfer to solve with a script or two. Regards, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 16 August 2011 22:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:18:01 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 16 August 2011 05:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: How about a simple wget 192.168.1.254? weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49-- http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:07:36-- (try: 2) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:08:23-- (try: 3) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. Hum... are you sure your router is still at 192.168.1.254? Now I'm getting this from /sbin/ifconfig: Bandit:/home/weaver# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:358255 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:198906 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:486741086 (464.1 MiB) TX bytes:19033571 (18.1 MiB) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:240 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:240 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:20313 (19.8 KiB) TX bytes:20313 (19.8 KiB) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.36 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:14792 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:21 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1526259 (1.4 MiB) TX bytes:1260 (1.2 KiB) ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:110.174.203.247 P-t-P:10.20.21.36 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:332680 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:190996 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:475301403 (453.2 MiB) TX bytes:13559111 (12.9 MiB) And I can't see the address anywhere. Also, according to the manual, the mask address is supposed to be 225.25.225.0 There is something evil happening. I can't actually remember adjusting anything, yet the connection, far from good, is the best I've had so far. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 15 August 2011 21:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:28:26 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 14 August 2011 14:42, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: After configuring the modem through XP laptop, I can now access the net through my Debian laptop. The connection is very glitchy - lots of 'time-outs' - but a definite improvement. At least I have access. I'll just have to iron out the bugs, now, but it's been quite a different experience. Here would appear to be the problem. I can access the net. Some sites I have absolutely no problem with and others just time out. This is with bookmarks I've had regular and unimpeded access to in the past. Timeouts for some sites may require more debugging. A site can be having any problem or your ISP may be having a routing issue with that specific server... hard to tell what can be happening. debian.org Al Jazeera English Oxford Dictionaries Online My ISP's home page Just for a few examples. This is not the connection, because I get other pages consistently, but these I am unable to gain access to at all over many attempts. If using Firefox, you can just disable ipv6 because some sites become painfully slow when this is enabled (about:config → filter by ipv6 → and set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true). After that, restart Firefox/ Iceweasel. And I *still *can't access the modem interface in Debian. So, it's looking like a system glitch still. This is what puzzles me because I definitely see no (good|logical) reason for not getting access to the web interface from Debian. Ethernet is one of the most standarized technologies out there so I dunno what can be happening with that DSL modem. Have you tried to get access by telnet (telnet 192.168.1.254). Some routers do also allow to be managed in this way :-? weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# telnet 192.168.1.254 Trying 192.168.1.254... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out Bandit:/home/weaver# The latest hint is this pop-up when the browser is loading: Unexpected error updating default notary_list from web: [Exception... Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDataSignatureVerifier.verifyData] nsresult: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) location: JS frame :: chrome://perspectives/content/common.js :: TOP_LEVEL :: line 185 data: no] At this stage, I don't think there's anything wrong with the modem. Especially when it is considered that: - This is another new modem, as an exchange for another new one of the same type that I got the same behaviour from; - These modems are noted as being a good model; - I have been able to get an immediate connection to the modem from another laptop with M$'s XP. I think I have messed up my install inadvertently, in a way that the fact that it is SID doesn't account for. Thanks for your attempts. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 16 August 2011 05:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:56:46 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 15 August 2011 21:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, so it seems there is no telnet service available in route :-) How about a simple wget 192.168.1.254? weaver@Bandit:~$ su Password: Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49-- http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:07:36-- (try: 2) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2011-08-16 06:08:23-- (try: 3) http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. The latest hint is this pop-up when the browser is loading: Unexpected error updating default notary_list from web: [Exception... Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDataSignatureVerifier.verifyData] nsresult: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) location: JS frame :: chrome://perspectives/content/common.js :: TOP_LEVEL :: line 185 data: no] Looks like a javascript error/warning but not enough to tell if just this can prevent the whole page from loading :-? At this stage, I don't think there's anything wrong with the modem. Especially when it is considered that: - This is another new modem, as an exchange for another new one of the same type that I got the same behaviour from; - These modems are noted as being a good model; - I have been able to get an immediate connection to the modem from another laptop with M$'s XP. I think I have messed up my install inadvertently, in a way that the fact that it is SID doesn't account for. Really, I can't see how your network configuration can be a problem here. If you have setup static values for your NIC and you can ping/reach your DSL router you should get the same you get when using a Windows client. There is no more magic behind an ethernet device and that's precisely its best bet: it works regardless the OS and does not require for special drivers :-) I'm thinking it must be something under the network config. Something in the O.S. itself that has come adrift. I'll try a reinstall. My /home partition is on an external drive, so the data is safe and a reinstall doesn't represent as much of a problem as it would otherwise. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 14 August 2011 14:42, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: After configuring the modem through XP laptop, I can now access the net through my Debian laptop. The connection is very glitchy - lots of 'time-outs' - but a definite improvement. At least I have access. I'll just have to iron out the bugs, now, but it's been quite a different experience. Here would appear to be the problem. I can access the net. Some sites I have absolutely no problem with and others just time out. This is with bookmarks I've had regular and unimpeded access to in the past. And I *still *can't access the modem interface in Debian. So, it's looking like a system glitch still. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:51:25 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 11 August 2011 00:01, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: then point your web browser to http://192.168.1.254;. With two separate browsers, the same message - Network is unreachable Restarted the modem, same result. (...) That's very weird... can you access to that same IP (192.168.1.254) from another computer in the network? I'm afraid that is the network. Just a laptop and the modem. It would be nice if you can bring up another computer and connect it to the same switch to verify if it works or not. I've even borrowed a card and tried a connection through 'eth1' to avoid any port problem potentials also. No different reaction. I assume you have one computer that is connected to one of the ethernet ports of the router, right? Yes. If that's the case, and you already reviewed all of the external symptoms (e.g., network sockets blink when a cable is attached in both ends) there can be happening one of these situations: - The router has no DHCP server enabled and it is configured to listen in another IP address that you don't remember. It's brand new and never been configured before. If this is the case, a reset could be the fatest way to recover from this but be careful with resetting because it can delete your ISP connection settings, so if you are not sure what data do you require to setup your WAN interface, call to service support so thay can guide you -step by step- with a reset procedure. Another option can be also to use a network device discover tool (like angry ip scanner) to find whee is your router located. - The router is locked/blocked somehow and does not respond to pings. Try by power cycling it and check if you can now reach it. yes,I've tried all this, swapped cables everything. - The router can be broken, request for a replacement. No, at least part of the router is fine. I've just borrowed somebodies XP laptop and been able to establish a wireless connection that I'm sending this on. I've got a new (well, new, secondhand) laptop coming in a fortnight. I might have to hang out till then. Thanks. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: After configuring the modem through XP laptop, I can now access the net through my Debian laptop. The connection is very glitchy - lots of 'time-outs' - but a definite improvement. At least I have access. I'll just have to iron out the bugs, now, but it's been quite a different experience. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 11 August 2011 00:01, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: snip then point your web browser to http://192.168.1.254;. With two separate browsers, the same message - Network is unreachable Restarted the modem, same result. (...) That's very weird... can you access to that same IP (192.168.1.254) from another computer in the network? I'm afraid that is the network. Just a laptop and the modem. I've even borrowed a card and tried a connection through 'eth1' to avoid any port problem potentials also. No different reaction. Thanks. Regards, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 9 August 2011 18:51, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: Here's your problem. eth0 has no address. The only IPv4 connectivity you have is to 127.0.0.1/255.0.0.0 via lo (below). Your computer has no way to reach 192.168.1.254 so is legitimately returning Network is unreachable. Try the following command: # ip addr add 192.168.1.1 broadcast 192.168.1.255 dev eth0 Done! and /sbin/ifconfig now looks like this: Bandit:/home/weaver# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.255 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:143 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:113 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:21888 (21.3 KiB) TX bytes:21435 (20.9 KiB) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:12246 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:12246 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:955628 (933.2 KiB) TX bytes:955628 (933.2 KiB) then point your web browser to http://192.168.1.254;. With two separate browsers, the same message - Network is unreachable Restarted the modem, same result. As Camaléon and others have pointed out, you need to have an address on the same subnet as your router to be able to talk to it. Often, this is done with DHCP, but you may not have that set up if you've previously configured the router. This is brand new. The second one after I took the first one back, thinking it had a firmware problem. Thanks. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 9 August 2011 01:37, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:14:29 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: (...) Tried to ping and tcptraceroute with the only reaction either way 'No network present'. Then you seem to have a network configuration problem. Your router should be configured as stated by the manual and you have to configure your network interface with an IP in the same network so you can reach it. Show us the output of /sbin/ifconfig and then what you get after a ping. Bandit:/sbin# ./ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:60:c2:63:46 inet6 addr: fe80::215:60ff:fec2:6346/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:14321 errors:0 dropped:737 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1694113 (1.6 MiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:16 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:146783 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:146783 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:11620515 (11.0 MiB) TX bytes:11620515 (11.0 MiB) And weaver@Bandit:~$ ping 192.168.1.254 connect: Network is unreachable weaver@Bandit:~$ It's almost to the stage of being of 'no never-mind'. I have to do a 'Windows' install for this course coming up anyway. I've just done one and got away with everything with using LibreOffice instead and they were over the moon with all the great work I did with 'Word' This should be kept as an example of how it should be done, etc. but this time I have to use a programme that rides on M$ only, so I'll get that down and convert it over later. I was going to do a 20GB Debian partition after the Windows install, so a new install was going to be necessary anyway. The knowledge would be good though. I'm just beginning to edge under the surface and configure files directly and finding out how many gui apps I can get rid of. I'm finding it quite an enjoyable process. Cheers, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N
On 6 August 2011 01:25, Gavin Elliot Jones ga...@grassfield.co.uk wrote: I'm not sure I understand when you mean was it detected during the install procedure. What I was asking was if it was detected during a new install of Debian, or was it connected to an already established O.S.? For the 7800N there wasn't anything to install. I simply plugged the rounter into the power adapter then connected a laptop directly to it via an ethernet port. If I remember correctly I had to manually set the laptops IP address to initially talk to the 7800N in order to turn on the DHCP server. Once that was done I connected the 7800N to my network and all my computers were able to communicate just fine. I can't get anywhere near it to configure anything. It's looking as though I have a bug of some sort in the operating system. I might have to try a new install. Looks like the only option left. Tried to ping and tcptraceroute with the only reaction either way 'No network present'. Long process getting back to SID with a Lenny disc. Thanks for your help. Regards, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: Billion 7800N
I keep neglecting to forward these to the list. Hopefully I'll be back on-line sometime and won't continue to blow it. Sorry for the personal replies. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 5 August 2011 11:43 Subject: Re: Billion 7800N To: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk On 4 August 2011 15:57, Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote: I suspect the problem is short sighted manufacturer and bad web interface ddesigners. That's what I thought it might have been initially, but there GPL'd content on their Firmware update page talked me out of it. Thanks. Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPeXKO03VsUWhepJ=sia3ts5hzkfm2uylt9wg+72g5vz0ei...@mail.gmail.com
Fwd: Billion 7800N
-- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 5 August 2011 11:50 Subject: Re: Billion 7800N To: Gavin Elliot Jones ga...@grassfield.co.uk On 4 August 2011 18:19, Gavin Elliot Jones ga...@grassfield.co.uk wrote: I also have a Billion 7800N and can access the web interface just fine. I use a mixture of Debian stable and Ubuntu 11.04 and it works without problem. The 7800N has 5 ethernet ports on the back, one of which is set up to be a cable WAN port (with the other four being ports on the gigabit switch). Perhaps you've connected your computer to that WAN port by mistake? No,you're referring to the EWAN port which is for connection to a modem for fibre access, etc. I'm plugged into the 4th LAN port and have also tried the others in order to eliminate the faulty port potential. Did you get your modem installed onto an already established O.S. or was it detected during the install procedure. My /home is on an external expansion drive and I'm considering a re-install if that detection procedure would pick it up. I'm sure that once it had been detected, there'd be no further problems. Thanks, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPeXKO31WN=tOAO+ct1yfTV2y=bhue8fhc2hpzcww9hqeab...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Billion 7800N
On 5 August 2011 00:55, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:48:35 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote: I've run into a few hiccups with a new modem, as specified in the subject line. This one? http://au.billion.com/product/wireless/bipac7800n.php Yep! That's the one. I simply can't access the modem interface with a browser, in order to configure it and yes, I've tried four different browsers. At this rate SID is going to be frozen before I get back online. (...) Manual says that your router is available at 192.168.1.254, so your network adapter has to have an IP address assigned inside that range. Have you tried to ping it? Like an idiot, no! Thanks, Cam. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Billion 7800N
Hello everyone, I've run into a few hiccups with a new modem, as specified in the subject line. I simply can't access the modem interface with a browser, in order to configure it and yes, I've tried four different browsers. At this rate SID is going to be frozen before I get back online. I thought it must be a firmware problem, but a swap model from the supplier didn't produce anything new. Hooking it up to a windows comp., detection is no problem, so something else would appear to be remiss. As no DSL facility wasn't available at the time, I couldn't configure the modem with M$ and then bring it back home, as the config asks for a username, then goes hunting for a DSL line, before asking for a password to allow access. I've contacted Billion, but so far they haven't provided anything productive. As I can't even access it, a firmware upgrade flash and reset is a little difficult. I understand it's a good modem, so I'd rather overcome the situation than try another modem option and as the budget is restrictive at the moment, I can't afford that anyway. Appreciate any ideas. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/capexko0qe79imriwgc+xc98mx-egxmaraf2f7z_6osnu7jt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: WARNING: Stay off Sid /lib upgrades!
On 20 June 2011 17:57, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-06-20 09:38 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 15 iun 11, 17:55:56, David Baron wrote: [snip sid problems] I don't have these issues and I think messing with packages under the package managers control just asks for trouble. Did you consider re-installing? David's misadventures are tracked in http://bugs.debian.org/630608. Nobody else seems to be able to reproduce the problem. I had an issue tonight when upgrading. Libre office didn't upgrade, it seemed to uninstall and I found it again in 'uninstalled packages'. Reinstalled it and I'm back in action. I'm studying and submitting work done in Libre Office that is supposed to be done in Word and none of them seem to be able to spot the difference. If I'm late a day or two in submitting they don't seem to mind. SID doesn't seem to be any different to what it is normally. Freezing for a minute or two, but that's just part of it. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: WARNING: Stay off Sid /lib upgrades!, more
On 17 June 2011 03:37, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: ** On Wednesday 13 Sivan 5771 17:55:56 you wrote: Since this is now a mixed-up system (until Sid's maintainers get stuff together, completely, responsibly (posting defective /lib upgrades is inexcusable because of the mess made for us Debian Sid users!), there may still be problems, i.e. another package or two to downgrade. Problem 1: Trying a normal synaptic upgrade of some programs, I got errors that UTF8 could not be converted to latin1... and it aborted. Apt-get does work (in a non-X terminal) because I did that with the KDE stuff. So what package needs be up/down-graded to fix the character conversions? Hint: reportbug-ng yields messages like: QIconvCodec::convertFromUnicode: using Latin-1 for conversion, iconv failed for BOM: Bad file descriptor QIconvCodec::convertFromUnicode: using Latin-1 for conversion, iconv_open failed QIconvCodec::convertToUnicode: using Latin-1 for conversion, iconv_open failed So I do not know. Not having synaptic working is not nice but I guess there are alternative including (yipes!) CLI. Also, no man pages will display! These errors are confusing, however. The iconv stuff comes from libc6. The gconv conversion .so's are from testing to sid are ... identical. All of them. So what am I missing here? Going to the aptitude cli or ncurses interface might yield something profitable. There is an app or x-term that doesn't accept unicode gracefully, but I can't remember which. I'd check the /etc/apt/sources.list for discrepancies there also, if you've recently, or even not so recently jumped a distribution. The read-outs at the bottom of the aptitude ncurses interface are useful in resolving incompatibilities I've found. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: WARNING: Stay off Sid /lib upgrades!
On 16 June 2011 01:59, Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2011 10:55 AM, David Baron wrote: After being assured by a maintainer that the problems in upgrading were fixed in -7, I upgraded, without a hitch ... except now everything segfaults, even after reboot. I had also upgraded x-windows stuff dependent on that which made things even worse. Actually, the reboot proceeds perfectly. Only when I log on and have a shell (i.e. bash, sh) does everything crash out. So the bug might be there and not in the libc6-7! snip Strange that I am not seeing the same problems as you are but have some of my own. I think that most my problems are udevd related: 1. k3b can't find the cd/dvd device 2. the usblp module can't find the printer 3. root login on ttys0 logs in then jumps to another tty and login there then jumps to yet another tty and only stops jumping when a user logs in. That was from the 2011-06-11 upgrade But hey we are running unstable so this is to be expected. Don't sweat te small stuff. It will be fixed within days so run wheezy for a while. That's right! Unstable is never advertised as 'production ready' and these things are to be expected. I'm in the same boat, with freezes predominantly with KDE apps, but not completely restricted to that. The freeze seems to clear itself after about a minute. It'll right itself after an upgrade in a couple of days. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Subscription
On 11 June 2011 13:13, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), Morning Star wrote: i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to subscribe. Yes, join the list if you have a substantial number of questions to ask, or you intend running Debian, or for any other instance of longer term use. But for one question, simply ask. This is why it's an open list. If nobody replies directly, the answer will be in the archive which is also readily publicly available. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
With ref. to earlier zfs commentary.
Greetings, Interesting developments. Being in a spot of bother, let's hope it has a re-licencing potential hovering in the future: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/33gsu0/www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-zfs/index.html?cmp=dwcpb=dwlinct=dwgracr=twitterccy=zzcrs=lxzfzfuseit Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] Mice
On 8 June 2011 05:28, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 06/07/2011 01:40 PM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] I still see some disadvantages for laser or BlueTrack based mice: 1/ They do not work on crystal or clear surfaces I can't remember the last time I put my mouse on a clear (glass?) surface. But if I did, then I'd use a mousepad. Disadvantages of ball mice: 1) The ball gets dirty and sticks. Yes, you can clean it, but laser mice never get dirty. 2) The ball doesn't roll well on some surfaces. The laser works on more surfaces. Balls also wear and cause a perfectly good mouse to become unusable. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Medical Icons.
Hello, Free medical icons, anybody? http://www.goomedic.com/free-60-medical-icons-for-medical-apps-developers-and-designers.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+Goomedic+%28GooMedic.com%29 From my Egyptian doctor friend currently caring for the rebel forces in Libya, with his Ubuntu laptop. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Re (3): diamondcard (so much for Skype.)
On 18 May 2011 01:30, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:37:16 +1000 I'm in Australia, but I can't see how it would be any different. Open http://www.diamondcard.us/did Look under Personal Phone Number. Example 1: Set the country to AU, city to Canberra, Area codes to 61-26, Duration to 1 yr. The setup fee is 10 $US, the price is 10 $US/yr. Example 2: Set the country to US, state to WA, city to Aberdeen, Duration to 1 yr. The setup fee is 3 $US, the price is 24 $US/yr. Incoming calls are not tolled. Just pay the subscripton fee according to the duration chosen. The setup fee is only paid once. I don't know of any cheaper rates. I opened an account with just $20:00, all of which I can use on calls - no yearly registration, nothing. Yes, your outgoing calls are tolled against that balance. It doesn't give you a DID number to receive incoming calls. Refer above. O.K. Cheers for that. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Re (2): diamondcard (so much for Skype.)
On 17 May 2011 10:54, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: Green, From: green greenfreedo...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:43:35 -0500 ... it must be called DID ... Yes. Ref. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01246.html; Unfortunately, diamondcard's pricing for those is overmuch ... Isn't a number in the USA $10 setup + 20 $/yr? Is anything cheaper? I'm in Australia, but I can't see how it would be any different. I opened an account with just $20:00, all of which I can use on calls - no yearly registration, nothing. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?
On 12 May 2011 21:25, Charles Blair c-bl...@illinois.edu wrote: Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying the /etc/apt/sources.list file. I tried changing this to: deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free Hello Charles, You can do all this on the one line, as in: deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free Then do: Update Safe-upgrade You will have to ensure that you have saved the changes after editing the file, also, otherwise it will simply revert to it's former state, which is what sounds like is happening. but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main. The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages for emacs. I don't know about this as I'm one of the lucky ones that uses Vim, but I should suspect that those should be in main anyway? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?
On 13 May 2011 01:38, Charles Blair c-bl...@illinois.edu wrote: [Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let me post follow-ups] Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have a problem. My /etc/apt/sources.list includes deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free I tried typing aptitude update. Part of the output: Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages However, when I start aptitude, click on not installed packages, then on editors, the only thing I see is main. Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace? I suspect there are a lot of basic things I don't know. There's a package in the repositories (in main) called aptitude-doc-en, I think from memory. You could check that be searching through the ncurses aptitude interface. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: So much for Skype.
On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: So Skype has been bought by Microsoft. I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is shaking his head with the inevitability of it all. This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives. And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could. iirc, microsoft has more investment in more linux products than anyone else. they also have (or had?) quite a large investment in apple to stop them from going under in early 2000. i don't know what they plan to do with skype. maybe roll it into netmeeting (does that still exist?) or msn messenger. Probably to be integrated into their 'Ling' function. Aiming at executive market functionality. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: So much for Skype.
On 12 May 2011 06:11, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: So Skype has been bought by Microsoft. I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is shaking his head with the inevitability of it all. This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives. And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could. iirc, microsoft has more investment in more linux products than anyone else. they also have (or had?) quite a large investment in apple to stop them from going under in early 2000. i don't know what they plan to do with skype. maybe roll it into netmeeting (does that still exist?) or msn messenger. Probably to be integrated into their 'Ling' function. Aiming at executive market functionality. Sorry. That's Linc'. http://www.microsoft.com/communicationsserver/en/au/default.aspx Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On 6 May 2011 21:02, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Big snip I appreciate your willingness to help, don't get me wrong. But just as I am here to learn, I thought that you might also be interested in learning the error of using url-shortening services. Oh, I remember you now. I apologise if I stepped on toes or tried to teach the old dog new tricks. I'm always keen to learn. Where's the trick? But in any case, even if I am fantasising about tracking or advertising, the links are most certainly broken. I click on both of them and they lead me straight to the target, every time. Broken browser? In any case, this situation has already absorbed too much of my time. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On 5 May 2011 18:04, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously I've done something wrong because on a virgin Squeeze install /etc/apt/sources.list has no repos other than the disc! Can someone please send to me a copy of this file. Custom added repos are fine, I'll be able to figure it out. Thanks. Why not install netselect-apt and let that do it for you? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Customising Debian install
On 6 May 2011 06:08, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 07:21:22PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:12:47 +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: For certain things like removing OpenOffice and replacing it with LibreOffice this approach works but is time consuming. For other packages it just results in disaster, for example Ive tried removing the empathy package and have inadvertently removed the entire OS. How is that? Empathy is just an IM client, it should be easily removable :-? The problem here, I think, is that gnome-desktop-environment depends on empathy. As with many of these all encomapssing meta packages you are usually better off picking just the subset of packages that you actually want. This is what I normally do, then use fluxbox or openbox for a smaller installation. Installing 'just what you want' drags in required dependencies but can lead, sometimes, to a little instability I have found. Installing one or two other related packages normally stabilises the situation though. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Poll - What Smartphone do you use?
On 4 May 2011 03:13, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 03 May 2011 16:55:40 shawn wilson wrote: On May 3, 2011 11:06 AM, green greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote: giovanni_re wrote at 2011-05-02 22:35 -0500: What Smartphone do you use? Probably the Nokia N810 does not count, considering it is not GSM or CDMA capable. And at this point it seems unlikely that Debian will ever run on it. What? Might want to Google again. IIRC, Nokia's phones were the closest to linux 5+ years before Apple or Google ever thought of making a phone. The n7xx, n8xx and n9xx should run most (if not all?) linux programs that can be compiled on an ARM. IIRC, OS2008 was a port of debian. Also, even symbian has Unix roots as I remember an old defcon or bh talk where the guy was explaining how they had implemented an old kernel with tons of known vulnerabilities. Yes. But now that Nokia is throwing its lot in with MS, and closing down many of its software development facilities, and symbian is already dead, that is all likely to change, and is probably what green meant. So on this particular occasion it is probably you who should Google! No, Symbian is still actively developing. They've just gone back to their original O.S. goals. They were around before Nokia started splashing money around and still are. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Poll - What Smartphone do you use?
On 3 May 2011 14:05, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:35 PM, giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us wrote: Isn't it great to get to know your Debian community members, things about them, like what kind of stuff they use? Maybe that would be good stuff for _you_ to get at some point. :) = So, today's poll is: What Smartphone do you use? Please reply to this message with: Manufacturer name Model name, OS name, Cell Carrier name, Country you live in. while phones have vulnerabilities (ie, android 2.0 and many versions of ios) i don't think this is very wise information to give out. that is, debian users aren't the only ones who read these emails. i have noticed 10x (or more) spam sense i've started reading mailing lists. and, these lists are archived (for better or for worse). i try to minimize how much personally identifiable information i provide on these lists. asking about my phone is almost like asking how the lock on my front door is pinned - most people won't know how to abuse the information, but those who do would have an easy way in. Yes. A good way to assess a market, gather email addresses and employ the same or on-sell them. I find it difficult to assess what positive result could come from overtly gathering and collating information like this on a list that simply doesn't relate to that subject. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: file systems
On 27 April 2011 10:11, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: I'm missing a detail here. Was the assertion re FSCK specifically that XFS doesn't call this exec during boot, or was it that under XFS, FSCK can't be called at all? (And -- for whichever -- why so?) No, it's because somebody asked advice concerning which filesystem was better and why. After that, Stan the Baptist emerged from the desert and required all of us to convert to XFS immediately. Unfortunately, some of us are free-thinkers and other heretics, but the luxury of putting us up against the wall and shooting us, after suitable torture techniques have been indulged in (which would be subject matter enough for another thread), has not, as yet, been approved of by the almighty and we are stuck with opposing points of view rather than eradicating them as in accordance with the aura of grace which some of us possess (I do not lay claim to this commodity for myself. I'm one of the advocates of free-will heresy). We are, instead, forced into the position of having to debate the situation and be guided by the element of informed free-will, rather than the dictates of modern concepts of theocracy. About sums it up. Welcome! Regards, Weaver. Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/26/2011 04:44 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Ron Johnson put forth on 4/26/2011 9:29 AM: On 04/26/2011 02:41 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I'm CC'ing back to debian-user as I believe others may find this information useful. Ron Johnson put forth on 4/25/2011 11:15 PM: Stan: Thus moving to EXT4 gains you nothing on a 32 bit machine, Ron: It gives me the ability to do a fsck! Only on rare occasions should one _need_ to run xfs_check or xfs_repair. Only one rare occasions should one *need* to change a tire. Yet we still carry one in the trunk/boot. [snip] The reason why you use a 32 bit system is irrelevant to me. Though up to this point I assumed we were discussing a server. Regardless, use 'xfs_repair -n instead of xfs_check and you should be good to go, again, assuming 'xfs_repair -n' doesn't run out of memory on your machine. As I expect storage capacity to do nothing but grow, I'm not going to take that chance. It seems strange to me that you're so adamant WRT ditching XFS on a whim due to a well known problem WRT which you seem to have performed little or zero basic research of your own. Silly me took for granted that you can fsck your fs. This is odd for someone who apparently uses a given piece of software in production, and such a critical piece at that. People don't normally chuck production filesystems, especially the best Linux filesystem, on a whim without at least doing some basic research into a problem. Don't ass-u-me. Business isn't the only reason that people have really large filesystems. Think HTPC. [snip] The first I recall seeing you mention this issue was in rebuttal to my evangelism of XFS. Strange, that. This saga likely prompts people to wonder about your motivations in this thread, and the validity of the information you've provided and claims you've made. My motivation is full disclosure. I originally created my two big file systems as xfs because I've seen many benchmarks showing how well it performs w/ big files. And it does. Really, Really Well. But not being able to fsck the fs that I just created is unacceptable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db75f4d.8060...@aya.yale.edu -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: Where do I get a list of all the fonts in my system?
Did it again. Getting rid of gmail soon anyway. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 24 April 2011 18:12 Subject: Re: Where do I get a list of all the fonts in my system? To: John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net On 24 April 2011 16:09, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: Just in case you are not averse to using a GUI, Fontmatrix is an excellent tool. It should be in your repos. So should 'defoma'. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 24 April 2011 10:05, William Cooper wkcoo...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 April 2011 17:56, Panayiotis Karabassis pan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/23/2011 06:04 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: Sounds like the problem is in your host, can you try the same pieces in another box? Actually I tried on two boxes, a desktop running Squeeze and a notebook running Wheezy. The first enclosure failed on both, the second worked for a while and then I had to 'halt -nf' the computer. Probably the filesystem became corrupt during this, because the case signaled an error afterwards. Anyway I solved my problem by connecting the hdd directly to the motherboard. I'd like to research this further, but I've returned both cases to the shop. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis I've had similar problems with an enclosure from a company called Zogis using WD drives (don't have any other drive types to test yet), will not be detected under Linux or Windows. I'm in the process of trying to identify the problem and if necessary return/exchange/whatever the enclosures. Bill There are variables of all sorts in scenarios like this. I have a 1TB Seagate external expansion drive. It is recognised and installed under windows and Debian - everything from Lenny to current unstable. But with the BSDs? Not a chance! With FreeBSD and PC-BSD it is dropped at the USB register stage of both the install and all consequent boots after O.S. install - so it's in the mothercode. An extremely rough hack of unplugging it at the wall immediately prior to that and immediately plugging it back in, forces recognition, but who needs that? On install, even after recognition, the drive is impossible to find anywhere, so it can't be configured in for mount. What do you put that down to? Code - firmware interface? Other brands of external drives are recognised, installed, partitioned and immediately available/operable after initial boot, which would appear to give credence to that. I sympathise with your problem. What do you do in this regard? Keep on buying enclosures/drives till you find one that works? Perhaps an update to compatible hardware lists and manufacturer notifications in this aspect also? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 24 April 2011 14:01, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: But with the BSDs? Not a chance! With FreeBSD and PC-BSD it is dropped at the USB register stage of both the install and all consequent boots after O.S. install - so it's in the mothercode. I assume the topic is on install to the hdd? Not using usb hard drive as a storage? Not quite. With this set-up, I wanted the home partition on the external drive. It all depends on the possibility to boot from mobo via usb device. Some older boards are not prone to let it go. That is a potential candidate, because allthe installs mentione were on a laptop - HP nx6120 - which is now almost six years old. Almost all modern do the trick. During install process, you could choose hard drive you want to install to and where you want boot loader to reside. If used as a storage device, usb hdd is just fine as it shows in /dev directory. Freebsd has dynamic /dev and, after some time, it is there as dax or daxsy (aka da0 or da0s1). Then you could mount it with something like: mount_msdosfs -l /dev/da0 /my_directory This was the problem. It showed up nowhere. If it had, I would have been able to mount it somehow, but I couldn't because as far as the O.S. was concerned, it didn't exist. With Debian, no problem! I'm writing to it now. But no chance with BSD. In my case, I found that some cheap enclosures are not able to boot from mobo, but some integrated, branded, are. If you know the exact number, search forums for boot linux usb hdd or similar. Best regards Thanks, Zoran. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: file systems
Sorry. This one should have gone to the list also. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 21 April 2011 22:13 Subject: Re: file systems To: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com On 20 April 2011 19:57, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Heddle Weaver put forth on 4/19/2011 6:58 PM: XFS is excellent for large file sizes - graphics, music, videos, etc, but ext3/4 are better for a range of file sizes and therefore better for a This is simply not true. Modern XFS is just as performant with small files as EXT3/4, especially with multiuser or highly parallel workloads. EXTx traditionally has had two advantages over XFS: 1. Workloads with zero or low parallelism 2. Metadata write heavy operations The first typically holds true for many single threaded workloads. That's fine. XFS was designed for single threaded workloads, but high bandwidth multithreaded workloads. The second evaporated when Dave Chinner introduced delayed logging last year. Today XFS metadata operations are on par with all Linux filesystems, and surpass all others with many workloads. Apparently you've not used XFS for maildir storage. It's throughput is quite a bit better than EXT3/4. Based on the file types you mention above, it would appear you are strictly a desktop Linux user. This would explain your lack of knowledge of XFS and your penchant for repeating misinformation. It would also explain and your preference for EXTx. smaller operation, which is what the O.P. seems to be describing. XFS is just as applicable to a small operation as a large one. For instance, it is the premier filesystem used in building MythTV servers. A DVR is a pretty small operation. XFS is the only Linux filesystem with a defrag utility, and an online one at that. This is beneficial to all operations, regardless of size. XFS has a far richer set of management tools than any other Linux filesystem. You simply can't go wrong with XFS on any size server, assuming you first read the basic documentation and the XFS FAQ. In case of mishap, they fall back to ext2. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. I doubt you are either. *http://tinyurl.com/3tu3ww9 *And this example is somewhat dated, but illustrates one such instance:* **http://tinyurl.com/3qjtj82 * What kind of mishap would require converting the EXT3/4 filesystem back to EXT2? Performance is trivial, as any file system can be tuned. This statement clearly demonstrates your lack of filesystem architecture knowledge. I've done it a number of times. No lack of knowledge in this regard at all. You might have to reassess this one as well. Just as you can't tune a Ford Pinto to outrun a Ferrari, you can't tune EXTx to outperform XFS in highly parallel workloads. That particular parallel simply doesn't work. Cars? Your religious fervor does you credit, but beware of crucifixion. Yours and others. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: New to Linux
On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years. Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie. With Debian, you need to know, at least somewhat, what you're doing. B I think if someone is capable of reading and comprehending the excellent documentation available, there should be no problem using Debian. This is how many people have learned. It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them how to. No learning required. Most users don't read the manual, because they come from windows and windows doesn't have one. I can remember being totally frustrated at the lack of one when the occasion arose and one was required, but you become conditioned to an environment to the degree that even when there is a manual available, you don't read it because you assume that it doesn't exist. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: file systems
Another one that should have gone to the list. On 22 April 2011 07:52, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 April 2011 05:27, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes: are there any feelings or recommendations regarding the above? one possibility i forgot to ask about is zfs using debian/freebsd. i understand that zfs works well with freebsd, so presumably it would with debian/freebsd as well. i'm curious as to feelings on this combo vs xfs with straight debian (which is really what we are leaning to) as we start our research on the matter. I think zfs is absolutely brilliant and that Debian should take a serious look at it as contender for the default. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Libre Office Impress.
On 22 April 2011 09:42, godo go...@dobosevic.com wrote: On 2011-04-18 22:20, Heddle Weaver wrote: Using this programme on a Debian SID base. When I used OO Impress, I had access to a full range of presentation backgrounds, which I believe came by way of a separate package install. I can't see an equivalent package for LO Impress in Aptitude. No news from an extremely slow Freenode #libreoffice and I can find nothing on the LibreOfffice site. I am old and blind, so I may have missed something. Does anybody have any information on this? I know I can change backgrounds through the 'format' menu tab, but the backgrounds I did have access to were usually all I needed except for exceptional requirement. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Hi, you can download and install Impress templates from here http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/Impress%20Template I tried one on my Wheezy LibreOffice Impress. Right! Thanks for that, Goran. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: New to Linux
On 22 April 2011 10:39, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell a...@patriot.net wrote: A couple of comments. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them how to. No learning required. If someone tells you how to, you've certainly learned something. Only if they retain it. Haven't we all been to school? Yes, but a lot has changed--for the worse--since I attended. A few years ago, tutored my niece, who is now a college junior, with her high school geometry and algebra. The texts reminded me of the ones I had used in 8th grade--large print, simple language, few or no proofs of theorems, etc. They weren't even required to prove or even shown the proof of The Pythagorean Theorem. Amazing! Her history and English text books were equally retrograded. I also discovered that the grading system had been significantly downgraded since I attended. Most of the honor roll students in her school would have only been C students, average, in mine. In mine, you had to have an overall average of 90%, B minus, or higher to make the honor roll. Something not all that easy to do. In her's, 80% was a B minus; in mine, C minus. Lower standards begets lower achievement. No wonder the median high school graduate (in the US, anyway) only reads at an 8th grade level. Yes, I've found this to be exactly the case. I've developed a strong interest in quantum, chaos and game theory so I decided to up my math ability. Applied to the local tech. colleges and discovered that they could teach me household budgeting and a bit about statistics. The logs, algebra, geometry, etc., that I was learning in my first year of high school, isn't taught here in Australia until after the third year of high school, now. To get anything better I have to drop work/career and go to university at a phenomenal cost. The 'conspiracy theory' that we are educated to meet the standards of a 'product' that the corporate entities require, isn't a far-flung one. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Why does Linux crash?
On 20 April 2011 14:16, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: Enormous snip Probably the second largest one I've done since I've been back! But given your experience with Eclipse, I hope you are developing a healthy scepticism about proposals to have elections voted and votes counted on the Internet. Imagine what malicious persons could do with that. Well there'll be no problem there, because of the new RealID programmes being introduced in order to 'protect us' from ourselves. But, beside that, well said! And true, that man, but they pay no heed to the electorate now. The vote means nothing. The only consideration given is to the 'Back-Pocket Electorate' as I term them. Look at what has been happening to the good people of Wisconsin, Minnesota and Ohio, amongst other locations. Look at the dissatisfied personalities marching through London. But still the poorer classes and now also, the middle classes, are required to lose their homes in order to fund massive pay-outs for Bankers and business executives along with the wars required to gain the raw materials for a manufacturing sector that is destroying the planet we all exist on with its effluent. But that will be quite enough of my rabble-rousing. I should, if truth be known, have been classified a 'terrorist' years ago. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: file systems
On 20 April 2011 06:50, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 04/19/2011 03:18 PM, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 19. 04. 2011 20:45:38 je prad napisal(a): we are thinking of redoing our existing servers and workstations in june. our servers is low volume and run out of our home via cable. right now the servers are running freebsd and our personal machines use arch linux, but we'd like to unify everything onto debian because a) we've liked it in the past b) we like the social contract c) we appreciate the no-nonsense attitude about 'free' we are contemplating the fs to use: ext4 (which we've used for a couple of years) Is good, especially for the fall-back option that both ext4 and 3 provide in case of failure. zfs (we've heard this is really good) It is extremely good and being seized on by delight by BSD aficionados for its speed, stability, configurability and ease of administration. btrfs (ditto - though it's still 'new' and 'lacking' features) I've seen this, somewhere, touted as the next default for Debian. It isn't yet and there are reasons for that. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Libre Office Impress.
On 20 April 2011 03:23, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 19. 04. 2011 04:42:40 je Heddle Weaver napisal(a): On 19 April 2011 10:34, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 12:20:13 pm Heddle Weaver wrote: Using this programme on a Debian SID base. When I used OO Impress, I had access to a full range of presentation backgrounds, which I believe came by way of a separate package install. I can't see an equivalent package for LO Impress in Aptitude. No news from an extremely slow Freenode #libreoffice and I can find nothing on the LibreOfffice site. I am old and blind, so I may have missed something. Does anybody have any information on this? I know I can change backgrounds through the 'format' menu tab, but the backgrounds I did have access to were usually all I needed except for exceptional requirement. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. AFAIk, OO used a separate site for add-ons and the like, was this an add-on? It might have been, but I don't think so. I'm sure it was in the repositories, though not there now. I'll look on the OO site later and if it's there I'll install it. Some of the presentation backgrounds I used from OO in the past are represented properly in LO, so it should be compatible. I'll get back regarding this and possibly record a bug with LO * *O.K., after extensive time and effort and no small expence to the management, I find that Open Office extensions found here:* http://tinyurl.com/3ho4u9r *are fully interoperable with Libre Office, so they must be still talking amongst themselves and there's still hope for the world.* *I found that downloading them through the Libre Office extension manager wasn't native so downloaded them to a file then a standard double click on the file then worked well through the extension manager. But I'm running SID so that could well be a factor. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: web page image alignment
On 20 April 2011 07:33, Dean Allen Provins, P. Geoph. provi...@telusplanet.net wrote: Hello: I'm trying to use the Writer program to put a web page together. I want to include some images, and I'd like to cut back on the document length. I tried placing the PNG images side by side (I used the LEFT alignment and RIGHT alignment controls on the menu bar), and they looked just fine in the Writer document. Sending them out to HTML (via export) and displaying them with iceweasel (and I also tried the most recent Firefox, and the installed Epiphany Web Browser) wasn't very satisfactory. They overlaid each other! Any ideas on how to correct this? In the repositories, in any distribution from Squeeze onward and even available in Lenny through backports: *http://tinyurl.com/3o9acyn * Writer is essentially an html capable word processor but is far from a mature web authoring app. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Libre Office Impress.
Using this programme on a Debian SID base. When I used OO Impress, I had access to a full range of presentation backgrounds, which I believe came by way of a separate package install. I can't see an equivalent package for LO Impress in Aptitude. No news from an extremely slow Freenode #libreoffice and I can find nothing on the LibreOfffice site. I am old and blind, so I may have missed something. Does anybody have any information on this? I know I can change backgrounds through the 'format' menu tab, but the backgrounds I did have access to were usually all I needed except for exceptional requirement. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: New to Linux
Sorry. That should have gone to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 19 April 2011 10:33 Subject: Re: New to Linux To: Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com On 19 April 2011 09:58, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This was the first year Linux had a major presence at COMDEX. Having the Linux people all in one exhibit hall greatly simplified my investigations of making the switch from the Amiga. I still have the book. However, ultimately, I chose Mandrake 7 as my first distro. Debian was not a distro for the noobie, either then or now. I wouldn't agree. I started with Debian being a complete noob and I manage somehow. I didn't actually start with Debian, but with a debian-based distro from Canada, called Libranet. Taught me everything I know about partitioning (cfdisc) and other installation tasks through an NCurses interface. Being forced to think doesn't hurt. When that folded, I moved straight to Debian. Still learning. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: New to Linux
On 19 April 2011 10:06, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com wrote: Practicing installing the system and doing it a bunch of times also helps a lot. Massive snip A bunch? I've done it a million times more than necessary and everytime I've learnt something. I've fallen asleep over the keyboard installing for the fifth time at about 3 am. I've often thought that the path to a particular package or doc or whatever could be included in the 'About' section of the help tab and at the head of the docs themselves, just to help noobs find their way around the system. That would do a lot to help with initial orientation. Regards, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Libre Office Impress.
On 19 April 2011 10:34, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 12:20:13 pm Heddle Weaver wrote: Using this programme on a Debian SID base. When I used OO Impress, I had access to a full range of presentation backgrounds, which I believe came by way of a separate package install. I can't see an equivalent package for LO Impress in Aptitude. No news from an extremely slow Freenode #libreoffice and I can find nothing on the LibreOfffice site. I am old and blind, so I may have missed something. Does anybody have any information on this? I know I can change backgrounds through the 'format' menu tab, but the backgrounds I did have access to were usually all I needed except for exceptional requirement. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. AFAIk, OO used a separate site for add-ons and the like, was this an add-on? It might have been, but I don't think so. I'm sure it was in the repositories, though not there now. I'll look on the OO site later and if it's there I'll install it. Some of the presentation backgrounds I used from OO in the past are represented properly in LO, so it should be compatible. I'll get back regarding this and possibly record a bug with LO Depending on licensing issues, everything should be in Debians repositories. My preference is to use only Debians repositories for LO stuff. Well, yes, everything with both OO and LO are. I can never remember seeing a contrib or non-free package, but then I've never looked until today, just to make sure. Regards and thanks, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: When installing from a CD image How to Gain Internet Access using a router and What is to Enter as Proxy information?
2011/4/17 Varuna Seneviratna varunasenevira...@gmail.com: I am trying to install from a CD image of 180MB, On the way I am asked to select a Mirror and also a proxy, This may sound basic, but have you undertaken an agreement with an Internet Service Provider? Did you fill in all the equired information when your modem was configured in the install? I don't remember how the basic install happens, but this should be catered for. I am Using a router to connect to the Internet. I selected a mirror and left the proxy information blank.The Installation process displays a message that says unable to gain Internet connection and that only a basic Debian System can be installed.How will I be able to gain Internet connection.What is the proxy information that I should Enter If you are connecting directly to the internet through a modem, there should be no requirement to configure a proxy. The problem lies with your connection to your ISP or the configuration of your modem. If your modem is new, there should be configuration paperwork that came with it. Check all that. Check with your ISP to ascertain the quality of the connection. They can quite often tell what is wrong from their end. From what you are saying, there's nothing else that could affect the situation. I wouldn't try to switch to 'expert Install' just yet. That has the potential to introduce further problems when you need to resolve the ones you have. I'd keep things simple. That usually works. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 05:34, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 18:39, Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! Your question was boring as you self-answered in your original mail. Just do the damn unsubscribe/subscribe dance. If it causes you problems, please reconsider the wisdom of owning a complex bit of kit like your computer. Also, learn how to respond to people trying to help you with your questions whilst /not/ sounding like a git. If this is a secondary-language thing, hence you didn't otherwise realise it: your email, above, made you sound like a git. Stop that. Agreed! It carries on like an attention deficit disorder and qualifies as noise pollution. That's all I can see. The 'Newbie' tag others are attaching to it simply doesn't fit with its references to Ubuntu lists etc. It knows what the deal is. Do it. Anything that might have remotely resembled a valid question was answered some time ago, politely. If he chooses to persist in lunacy, it's time for the other. Sounds like the kind of idiot that would use toilet paper and then complain that it was soiled. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 06:41, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: On 17 April 2011 21:19, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Dear List, My cat, much enjoying this thread, would like to know: What please, referencing particular persons, is a 'git'? Tell it to have a look at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=git It's a predominately British insult. But it works in any language. Even the American dialect! Hello, Ron. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 11:50, sal migondis salmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2011 14:40:46 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Osamu Aoki wrote: ... Hi Osamu, thank you for taking time to write a long answer, Nonetheless, there is a basic misunderstanding of my post:for me, asking a question is not equivalent to complaining! quote PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... /quote That is definitely complaining. Oh yeah... care to explain why...?? He is saying that 'it bothers him'.. would it not bother _you_, Ms. Lisi, if _you_ wrote to the list owner and got no reply..??? The OP wastes perhaps ten minutes sending a polite request to the list owner and he never gets a reply.. On the face of it, Mr. Frankiel is merely stating that he would have preferred to get some kind of answer. Anything wrong with that..? The OP also states one is 'welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org' and that he suspects that this address is managed by a bot. Hell.. who knows.. Big snip of a whole lot of totally immaterial, immature garbage. Two of them? Strike me pink! And me? A Kiwi living in Australia, a Brit?? No need to be insulting! The OP got so many appropriate answers they would have choked an elephant. Now what? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
New App. for Debian.
Greetings all. IBM have just come up with something that I think we could probably use. I'll just supply the link here and then sit back and see who's going to take a punt on clicking on it. *http://tinyurl.com/3dau4ly *Regards Weaver.* * -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] English language
On 4 April 2011 22:41, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: * On 2011 04 Apr 03:21 -0500, Lisi wrote: On Monday 04 April 2011 01:24:03 David Jardine wrote: I just love the spelling of Advertiser. ;) Do Americans spell it with a zed? Mostly, yes. No, they spell it with a 'zee'. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Server down?
Hello, After a successfull update/upgrade last night, I know get messages pertaining to: ftp.au.debian.org being 'unavailable'. Anybody got any word on this? Have received nothing from Debian-announce, seen nothing on-site. Can't access it by browser so it looks like a mirror down. Just wondering if anybody has any info? Thanks for any. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Server down?
On 5 April 2011 02:35, Estelmann, Christian c.estelm...@gmx.net wrote: Server is pingable, but does not reply to HTTP and FTP. debian-mirrors is CCd. Perhaps somebody can inform the admins. Am 04.04.2011 18:26, schrieb Heddle Weaver: Hello, After a successfull update/upgrade last night, I know get messages pertaining to: ftp.au.debian.org being 'unavailable'. Anybody got any word on this? Have received nothing from Debian-announce, seen nothing on-site. Can't access it by browser so it looks like a mirror down. Just wondering if anybody has any info? Thanks for any. Mirror is now back up. You'd think they would have given some notice, though, if they'd had to take it down for maintenance or something. Regards, Weaver -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Debian was hacked: The Canterbury Distribution (howto write the date)
On 3 April 2011 19:06, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/04/11 16:54, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 01:20:10 Scott Ferguson wrote: I suspect Liam's response was made in jest :-) I'm sure it was - and a successful jest. But mine was not. In that case, context made the date's form redundant, but it _is_ a problem. Not major one, a very minor one. But a problem - and one with a very easy solution. I prefer the 11-04-01 (or 2011-04-01) Either of those options works for me. solution to the one I myself offered, because month names in a foreign language (and for many here English is a foreign language), whilst certainly unambiguous, may be confusing. snip The logical progression, in the English language and not the American dialect, is 'day' of the 'month' of the specified 'year'. dd/mm/yy. This is obvious. Anything else is the calender equivalent of top-posting. Thanking you, for your time and attention to this matter. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 4 April 2011 06:17, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. Kinda like Spanish... In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? To study the enemy and sow dissension. rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. You don't even use capital letters at the beginning of sentences any more. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. He just cleaned up the mess that the French, Germans and Romans had made of the language. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. That wouldn't have mattered if you lot hadn't stolen America from us. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: OT: crypto, auth, CAs, web-of-trust, and phony certs
On 24 March 2011 11:18, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote: Apropos some of the recent discussion we've had here of various Debian signing keys. A major CA (certificate authority) has issued fake SSL certs for Google.com, Yahoo.com, and Skype.com (and apparently 6 other sites) after its signing keys were compromised. http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/phony-web-certificates-issued-google-yahoo-skype-others-032311 Under the CA / SSL model, you trust a website because you trust the CA. Personally, I think the Dane factor is worth more than a look: *http://tinyurl.com/4z54hzq *Regards Weaver.* *-- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On 17 March 2011 08:37, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote:
on 07:34 Wed 16 Mar, Heddle Weaver (weaver2wo...@gmail.com) wrote:
On 15 March 2011 23:40, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 03:11, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:
I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always
spam
or malware. I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
either.
The problem here is the use of the redirect service. I also never
follow those links. Not only are they blind links masking the
destination, but why add an unreliable extra link to the
already-fragile chain of events that must transpire to access a
webpage. What if tinyurl's server is down, or gets hacked, or goes out
of business, or becomes malicious?
I only use the service because it saves even short links like this one
from
getting broken by MUA character limits:
http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/1/29/4737705.html
URLs ~72 characters should be reasonably safe, though that's not a
completely safe bet.
There are a hell of a lot of really broken content-management systems
which insist on insanely long URLs, often containing characters special
to the shell ('' and '?' come to mind). In this case, URL shorteners
are convenient, though they raise a host of other concerns.
And I only use tinyurl because it's stable, unlike the .ly extensions
which
are hosted in Libya,
You're confounding domain registration with hosting site.
As of a few moments ago, bit.ly resolved to 168.143.172.53, which
appears to be hosted by Verio in Dallas or NTT America, with a postal
address in Centennial, Colorado. Or so suggest mtr, hostname
resolution, and WHOIS records.
I believe a recent change, because of the trouble there.
Transfer?
I know that bit.ly disappeared when the 'net went black in the initial
stages of the conflict.
Regards,
--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful.
— Lucius Annæus Seneca.
Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On 17 March 2011 06:04, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote: on 22:36 Tue 15 Mar, Heddle Weaver (weaver2wo...@gmail.com) wrote: On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote: I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam or malware. I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't either. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from other posts) ;) Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei Regards, A smidge of context would have been helpful. Well, a smidge /more/ than 'SIP'. I'd seen reference to the GNU Free Call project elsewhere. But otherwise this was just a tad on the terse side. Well, I thought 'SIP' in this context, might have been enough. I'm not big on cocktails. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote: I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam or malware. I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't either. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from other posts) ;) Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On 15 March 2011 23:40, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 03:11, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam or malware. I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't either. The problem here is the use of the redirect service. I also never follow those links. Not only are they blind links masking the destination, but why add an unreliable extra link to the already-fragile chain of events that must transpire to access a webpage. What if tinyurl's server is down, or gets hacked, or goes out of business, or becomes malicious? I only use the service because it saves even short links like this one from getting broken by MUA character limits: http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/1/29/4737705.html And I only use tinyurl because it's stable, unlike the .ly extensions which are hosted in Libya, for example. Governments appear to be taking down sites more than the average cracker or script-kiddie does these days. I pretty much place them in the same category. What if? What if the U.S. government takes down another 84,000 sites by mistake, as it did recently? Tinyurl wasn't one of them. Still and all, before I'm guilty of contributing to yet another off-topic thread, sorry for disturbing everybody's day. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On 16 March 2011 09:13, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 15 March 2011 12:36:52 Heddle Weaver wrote: On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote: I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam or malware. I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't either. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from other posts) ;) Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei I actually found it not only on topic, but very interesting. Thanks for the heads-up! My pleasure. Actually why I posted it. Thought it would make a good edition to the family, which, in time it probably will be. Just thought I'd get the news in. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: Seagate Barracuda drives?
Sorry. That should have gone to the list. I omitted to say that the drive was a Seagate also. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 15 March 2011 07:23 Subject: Re: Seagate Barracuda drives? To: Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com On 14 March 2011 12:11, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: There has been much talk about the WD 2TB drives and the problems that they can have with linux. I just went into an electronics store that is going out of business and has 40% off all drives. For internal drives, all they have are Seagate Barracudas. They have 1.5 TB and 2 TB drives running at 5900 RPM. The 2 TB drive said it was 'Low Power'. I didn't get the model number. I was in a rush and had to move fast. Do these drives play nicely with linux, or should I look for something else. snip I don't know about the internal drives, but I have an external USB 1TB that I have my /home on and no problems. Picked up automagically on install (Lenny) and maintained that on all upgrades, currently on SID. Tried FreeBSD, the opposite was the case. Could only get the drive recognised post install, and that only with difficulty, having to repeat the process on each start. It's derivative, PC-BSD had the same problem, so it lies in the mother code. But Debian, no problem. Hope this helps. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Sip?
With reference to some of the posts I have seen here lately, this looks interesting: *http://tinyurl.com/4syb4j9 *Regards,* *Weaver.* * -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On 1 March 2011 13:47, Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:34:04AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: [Cross-posted to: d-community-offtopic, debian-user] [For those who don't know what I'm talking about, please see #425439 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425439] snip So what do I do..? recommend we continue our heated discussion on the OT mailing list..? snip Once you get agreement on something, it marks the end of the squabble. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On 1 March 2011 01:34, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [Cross-posted to: d-community-offtopic, debian-user] [For those who don't know what I'm talking about, please see #425439 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425439] Hi, Being the stubborn person that I am, I want to give one more chance to the -offtopic list for Debian users and/or developers. Off topic subjects still seem to thrive on debian-user anyway. And a separate list may have seemed necessary in the days when d-u was *really* busy, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. I see other lists that aren't employed to their potential also, e.g., posts with reference to firewalls that should (for reference sake) be posted on debian-firewall. If that policy was more strictly adhered to, it would lower the stress on d-u in times of high usage. I know it's a hassle to subscribe to another list just to post on a particular subject, but it would be at least as big a problem referencing half a dozen lists for the answer to a question, when the archive is kept for that reason in the first place. I feel that policy should be established and enforced by the users to achieve an orderly, efficient archive. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use
Got to get away from gmail. No list reply feature. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 21 February 2011 13:41 Subject: Re: selecting old machines for firewall/router use To: Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net On 21 February 2011 12:26, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: On Sunday 20 February 2011 03:03:35 pm Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2011 20 Feb 14:22 -0600, Elmer E. Dow wrote: Greetings: I'd like to set up a network with a firewall for my home computers for security, control and convenience (file sharing), as well as to learn about networking. We have the Internet entering via a Motorola DSL modem and it currently passes data through a NetGear wireless router. I'd like to construct my own firewall/router to connect our three active machines and also use the NetGear for wireless access when needed. Reusing old hardware is fine. Be sure that you're not going to spend as much or more getting the hardware into an old computer as you might with a router capable of running OpenWRT or similar. Last year I bought an Asus WL-500 GP from New Egg for about $60. Granted, one must read specs carefully if more memory/hardware capability is required. Not to be overlooked are the space and energy requirements of an old desktop versus a modern router capable of running an embedded Linux distribution. +1 ditch the old computer , todays routers with dd-wrt or openwrt are more reliable and cheaper to run. Buffalo routers come with dd-wrt pre-installed. Come with a few things installed. I remember a few years back, a furore over factory installed trojans on Belkin routers. Belkin apologised and all the noise went away, but I haven't forgotten in the current atmosphere of net/privacy invasion. Why I'm thinking off doing the same thing. Entry box with firewall/router and port forwarding to another old stackable desktop for email. Upside? Networking knowledge! Enough for a small business, and the basis to look at larger projects. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
