Re: Seg fault
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:15:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Anders Lagerås wrote: | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400 | Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Anders Lagerås wrote: |Bug report on it's way | |What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this. | Using aptitude is the easiest way. | If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description show | up. At the bottom of the page are the Versions of libgtk listed. | Select the row of the version you want and use + on the numeric keypad | to select it and then g to install. | = to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can also be | useful. | ~ Doesn't work here. The ONLY version shown is the current one. enable the lenny repos. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault
Kent West wrote: Bruno Voigt wrote: I'm currently not able to start iceweasel ii iceweasel 3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel Segmentation fault [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe Segmentation fault System ist debian/unstable uptodate. On other debian/unstable systems it still works. I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I haven't had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when I run ldd against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to believe the problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem. I wasn't able to do as much testing today as I would have preferred. But after an aptitude dist-upgrade followed by an aptitude install kde, iceweasel ... works as normal user in Gnome does not work as normal user in KDE does not work as sudo in KDE when KDE started from KDM (sudo can't access display 0:0) does work as sudo in KDE when started from startx I hope to be able to track down the problem further late Tuesday; in the meanwhile, I've started the user in KDE via startx and showed her how to start iceweasel using sudo. -- Kent West ))) Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:11:47PM +0100, andy wrote: Greetings The following is one of a number of sites (including, for example, parts of the NASA site) where I am told that my version of Flash Player is outdated: You need the latest Flash Player plugin to view the multimedia content of this site. http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/environment/global-warming/gw-impacts-interactive.html do you have flashplayer at all? That is, does it show up in about:plugins? I noticed that abunch of flashpages weren't working on my laptop, and started poking around. It seems that the package flashplugin-nonfree (from debian repos) is not working with IW3.0 but marillat's flashplayer-mozilla package (from his repos) is working. hth A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Device busy, but lsof doesn't help
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/18/08 17:39, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: [snip] To ensure that /data/03 is /dev/sda1. Ah, ok. May be, try lazy unmount? I want to know what's happening. Lazy umount is, to me, distateful except when using network services like nfs. maybe cd out od /data/03? maybe you have a session somewhere with a PWD of /data/03/*? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:36:57PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 19:04 -0700, Brian Marshall wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep your data and your apps on your local machine. So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? Host it yourself on an extra machine shoved in a closet. Works for me. The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up everything for email on a local server (not the least of which preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. There's always other ISPs. If you're on Comcast, try switching to DSL. The telcos are, for the first time in a very long time, the lesser of two evils. I want to second that on switching to DSL. Further, you can often find DSL resellers that work with the phone company but have their own block of ip. My guy charges me about $60.00 per year on top of the regular dsl charge. For that I get true static ip in a non-dynamic ip block (keeps me off the blacklists). I get fantastic personalized service. And I get a complete hands off policy with no closed ports. The speed is not as good as cable, but I don't really care. It's plenty fast enough for whatever I feel like doing. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Contributing to the Debian website - easier than some think
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:23:08AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:23:55AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: [breaking the thread on purpose because this is totally unrelated] On Thu,17.Jul.08, 15:28:09, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 08:27:25PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: You should contact debian-www about that. I think I recall a discussion about the children-distros page being outdated, but I guess manpower is missing again. I you would be willing to supply patches against the CVS source I'm sure they will be at least looked over. Or maybe that page Yeah, but you have to download the **WHOLE** website so you can submit patches. :-( Makes you think twice about helping. Although, hopefully, if you mention it on the debian-www mailing list someone will do the necessary without being an [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder where you got the info that you need to download the whole website, it should be corrected. It was in a post on the debian-www mailing list in a thread talking about whether two spaces after a full stop was acceptable English by M.J Ray, I think. so long as they paint the bike shed red, I don't care how many spaces they use... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: x.org
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 05:07:50PM -0600, Cliff McAtee wrote: Hi my name is Cliff McAtee I am new to Debian. I installed from a disc. Went through the install. every thing looked ok until trying to open. starting from GRUB I was informed x.org did not install correctly. All I get is a repeating 'PHY reset until link up'. What am I supposed to do? Help I've not seen that message before. Google says it's related to a network card. There is a suggestion that the network card may be bad, or improperly installed (not seated properly), or that perhaps some device on the other end of the cable is bad (router, switch, cable modem etc). To trouble shoot this, I would methodically go over the network situation beginning with just unplugging the network cable and possibly going so far as to remove the card itself. Can you provide any more information? Does it ever get to a login? Who informed you that x.org did not install correctly? I suspect you've got a couple of things going wrong there. You might want to boot into single-user mode (it should be an option in the GRUB menu). From there you can do more trouble shooting. hth A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Device busy, but lsof doesn't help
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 04:29:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/19/08 14:30, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/18/08 17:39, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: [snip] To ensure that /data/03 is /dev/sda1. Ah, ok. May be, try lazy unmount? I want to know what's happening. Lazy umount is, to me, distateful except when using network services like nfs. maybe cd out od /data/03? maybe you have a session somewhere with a PWD of /data/03/*? lsof would have shown that... d'oh... sorry. A SESSION 1: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cd /data/03 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/data/03$ SESSION 2: $ lsof | grep /data/03 lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. bash 4892 me cwd DIR8,1 4096 2 /data/03 -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: TV tuner/capture cards?
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 06:51:58PM -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote: Greetings; Does anybody know of a tv tuner/capture card that will work with Debian? An FM tuner option would be nice, but not necessary. I use a pvr 150 and a pvr500 from hauppage using the ivtv drivers. Not strictly on debian though. It's a knoppmyth system - knoppix - debian. But both those cards have worked in knoppmyth for at least a couple of years... Might have to use lenny or sid though. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: x.org
Please be sure to reply to the list and not to me personally. You will miss out on the wisdom of many more knowledgeable people than me... On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 06:57:54PM -0600, Cliff McAtee wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 05:07:50PM -0600, Cliff McAtee wrote: Hi my name is Cliff McAtee I am new to Debian. I installed from a disc. Went through the install. every thing looked ok until trying to open. starting from GRUB I was informed x.org did not install correctly. All I get is a repeating 'PHY reset until link up'. What am I supposed to do? Help ... Can you provide any more information? Does it ever get to a login? Who informed you that x.org did not install correctly? I suspect you've got a couple of things going wrong there. You might want to boot into single-user mode (it should be an option in the GRUB menu). From there you can do more trouble shooting. ... booting Debian several pages roll by ending at login: okay, this is normal and good. Then automatically switches to dialog box Failed to start the X server( your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? select yes this is common and not necessarily a big deal. This particular issue can be solved a number of ways, but we need to deal with the persistent kernel messages on the screen first so that you can see what you're doing. Then automatically starts eth0: no IPv6 routers present this message is normal and no big deal. you can safely ignore it. eth1: PHY reset until link up eth1:PHY reset until link up continues repeating about every three to four seconds okay. it appears you have two network interfaces. I suggest you remove one of them for the time being. There is something more going on here, but if you are a true newbie, it could be a difficult problem to tackle. Try taking out one, and then the other, network card until this message goes away. When selecting yes the page switches to the server output page. The repeating message quickly covers the page in black background and white letters obscuring the diagnostic page. what you are seeing is a kernel message that is of a high enough priority that it spills onto your console screen. You can configure those messages so that they don't interfere, but it's a little difficult to do so with all those messages scrolling by. Hopefully someone else will pipe up with a way to stop them easily. Then tried re-booting using the single user. Several pages roll by then the question ' Press enter for manual or control -d to continue.' Control -d starts the automatic eth0: no IPv6 sequence again. pressing Enter clifford:~#NET: Request protocal form 10 lo: Disabled Privacy Ext IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver eth0: no IPv6 router present Enter clifford:~# tried entering login info clifford:~# you are already logged in. That is a shell prompt. Do you get the eth1 message at that point? If not, you can do some work there to both shutdown those messages and diagnose your X problem. Start with the messages. You need to edit the file /etc/sysctl.conf. THere are probably a couple of editors available, but nano is the easiest one to use out of the box. try this command from the shell prompt nano /etc/sysctl.conf look for the line #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 remove the # from the front of the line, save the file and exit. Hopefully that will stop the messages. issue this command sysctl -p which should reset those kernel log parameters for you. then do ctrl-d to exit single user mode and continue on to a normal boot. At that point you can begin trouble shooting the X problem. As a starting point, try, as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and work your way through configuration. If that fails to work for you, you should provide us with a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log which captures all the output from the X server as it tries to start up. it's a lot to tackle for a new user, but stick with it, you'll get it. This list will help you if you make a real effort. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: TV tuner/capture cards?
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 09:57:28PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Andrew Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 19 19:46 -0500]: I use the pvr 500 using the ivtv driver and play using mplayer. Works just fine, native debian. I getting ready to jump into MythTV using Mythbuntu. I'm collecting hardware and the PVR-150 is on my list. One thing of note in my research is that using the PVR-150 and friends on a VIA chipset seems to have a lot of DMA issues. So I'm building this on an Intel chipset box. I think some of the via chipsets and epia mother boards (all via) have real problems with that card. You are wise to stay away. I've got a mini-itx sitting here just dying to go in a set-top box, but... i'd have to move the capture cards to another system and run just a mythtv frontend I guess. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Marvell 88E80856 switching from static to dhcp configuration all on its own
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:14:25AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Hi All, I'm having a strange problem with a Marvell 88E8056 - 10/100/1000 Controller on a Biostar TA 770 A2+ motherboard. This is an Etch AMD64 install, but I have added the 2.6.25-amd64 kernel as I could not get the Marvell controller to work at all with the 2.6.18 kernel. ... I have two NICs. The onboard Marvell and a 3Com 3c905b. The 3Com handles dhcp and dns requests. Both are configured for statically configured IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces. However, the Marvell will, after some unknown amount of time--less than 12 hours--drop its static IP address and request a dhcp address from the 3Com adapter. ... I'm assuming this is a bug in the sky2 module, but don't know enough about things in this area to do more than assume. I bet it's not a driver problem but simply that you have inadvertently started a dhclient. It picks up a lease from somewhere, but then you restart networking which reverts the interface to a static address. Then when the dhclient thinks the lease has expired, it goes and gets another one. I've seen this happen on my laptop when I've been monkeying around with getting a connection at a new location. I'll forget that I manually started dhclient and then some time later... maybe days, I'll connect somewhere where I get static ip (like home) and then all of the sudden the dhclient will wake up and go looking for a new address... probably a killall dhclient will sort it out. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cannot find /dev/parport0 - ANY SUGGESTIONS?
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:35:23PM -0700, Account for Debian group mail wrote: Hello Again, I just upgraded our print server/samba machine from sarge to etch. In the /var/log/dmesg file i see: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP LaserJet 6MP This looks correct. In the /etc/printcap file I have: lp|Our Printer:\ :lp=/dev/parport0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\ :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\ :pl#66:\ :pw#80:\ :pc#150:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: When I do a checkpc I get: Warning - lp: cannot stat lp device '/dev/parport0' - No such file or directory What is it that I'm doing wrong? well first, you are expecting help in approximately two and a half hours from an all volunteer list... and yelling when you don't get it. I don't know much about parallel ports anymore, but the first thing I would do is grep for parport in /var/log/syslog in case it shows up somewhere else. It's possible that udev is doing something tricky like moving it to a different node. Also I would ls /dev and look through that for other things that might be a parport. hth... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: regexp q.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:22:53AM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: ... Besides, Andrew's eyes need time to heal ;) no hope of that. I just need to finally bite the bullet and grok some more regex. The only issue with Florian's now snipped line is that its so daunting I don't know where to start. And I can't pass up the opportunity to get modded funny! oh.. wait. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Marvell 88E80856 switching from static to dhcp configuration all on its own
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:36:43PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:14:25AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Hi All, I'm having a strange problem with a Marvell 88E8056 - 10/100/1000 Controller on a Biostar TA 770 A2+ motherboard. This is an Etch AMD64 install, but I have added the 2.6.25-amd64 kernel as I could not get the Marvell controller to work at all with the 2.6.18 kernel. ... I have two NICs. The onboard Marvell and a 3Com 3c905b. The 3Com handles dhcp and dns requests. Both are configured for statically configured IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces. However, the Marvell will, after some unknown amount of time--less than 12 hours--drop its static IP address and request a dhcp address from the 3Com adapter. ... I'm assuming this is a bug in the sky2 module, but don't know enough about things in this area to do more than assume. I bet it's not a driver problem but simply that you have inadvertently started a dhclient. It picks up a lease from somewhere, but then you restart networking which reverts the interface to a static address. Then when the dhclient thinks the lease has expired, it goes and gets another one. I've seen this happen on my laptop when I've been monkeying around with getting a connection at a new location. I'll forget that I manually started dhclient and then some time later... maybe days, I'll connect somewhere where I get static ip (like home) and then all of the sudden the dhclient will wake up and go looking for a new address... probably a killall dhclient will sort it out. I wondered about it, but it didn't make sense in that the networking system is completely ignoring its own configuration. Plus, this behavior has survived several reboots of the system. However, I will give that a try and see if the behavior changes. do you have network-mangler^Wmanager installed? perhaps some other package is starting dhclient? Basically, if you have both interfaces using static ip, dhclient shouldn't even be started. care to post /etc/network/interfaces? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: virtual machine choices in Debian
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 04:48:14PM -0400, H.S. wrote: Hello, Many months ago I had first installed a virtual machine, VMWare. I used it for a few months and then never touched. IIRC, it was free for students back then. This week I looked it up again (I still have the virtual machines installed) and wanted to reinstall the new version of VMWare Desktop. I noticed that it is not free anymore but comes with a 30 day trial feature. So, what free and preferably open source choices do we have for virtual machines in Debian? Pros and cons based on your experiences will be appreciated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines is a start. I've used Qemu to run windows xp with no problems other than it's slow. I use xen to run my server with three domU's (all etch on an etch dom0), works great, though is probably overkill. It can be a little fragile on a reboot, and definitely took a lot of learning to get it all running properly. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: virtual machine choices in Debian
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: H.S. wrote: So, what free and preferably open source choices do we have for virtual machines in Debian? Pros and cons based on your experiences will be appreciated. I was succesfully used kvm and qemu. There is also 'virtualbox-ose' in Debian archive. I'm rather content with virtualbox-ose, but you have to be careful to run a kernel with all the pieces needed (linux-image + virtualbox-ose-modules to match). I'm currently running a -486 kernel instead of the -amd64 I would prefer to run because of this, but, meh. -- Kent West *))) http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marvell 88E80856 switching from static to dhcp configuration all on its own
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:30:42PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:36:43PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:14:25AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: [...] I have two NICs. The onboard Marvell and a 3Com 3c905b. The 3Com handles dhcp and dns requests. Both are configured for statically configured IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces. However, the Marvell will, after some unknown amount of time--less than 12 hours--drop its static IP address and request a dhcp address from the 3Com adapter. [...] probably a killall dhclient will sort it out. [...] [I] will give that a try and see if the behavior changes. [...] perhaps some other package is starting dhclient? Basically, if you have both interfaces using static ip, dhclient shouldn't even be started. care to post /etc/network/interfaces? [...] For some reason dhclient WAS running, but I don't know why. if it reappears, try a `ps aux`, maybe there will be a clue there as to where it's coming from. And after a reboot, run watch grep dhclient /var/log/syslog or some equivalent and watch for it to show up. You wouldn't happen to have any guesses on the second problem I listed would you? :) nope, sorry. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Marvell 88E80856 switching from static to dhcp configuration all on its own
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:53:25PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: ... These troubleshooting suggestions really don't help explain to me why dhclient would override the settings in /etc/network/interfaces for one NIC and not the other though. And why would it override manual settings? Isn't there some process watching the settings in /etc/network/interfaces to stop just such a thing from happening, or doesn't the driver and device itself record its state so that dhclient wouldn't even attempt this unless there is some type of user override, i.e. ifdown/ifup, /etc/init.d/networking restart, etc... ? so far as I know, interfaces is only read once, when it's needed, at the time the interface is upped. Once it's up, that file's not read. You can test this by upping an interface, commenting it out of interfaces and then trying to down the interface (ifdown). It will fail because it can't find the interface in the file. At least that's how I remember it. There's something going on that I really don't understand here, and just troubleshooting it at the level shown here doesn't seem to me that it will answer my base questions. Can anyone point me to documentation on how this works, because I must be missing something. Why wouldn't restarting networking not have killed dhclient after /etc/network/interfaces was read, the NIC's configured, and all NIC's were configured with a static IP address? dhclient doesn't care about /etc/network/interfaces at all. It just tries to get dhcp lease over the specified interfaces. Why only the one interface? because something is specifying that interface to dhclient. WHy doesn't the process get killed? because the rest of the networking system doesn't know about it. When you start networking, or do an ifup, those scripts keep track of the dhclient that it starts by pid. If dhclient is started by some other process, those scripts don't know about it. At least, again, that's how I understand it. That comes from just using them a lot, playing with it to see what it does. The canonical answer is to be found in the code. best A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: unable to load ipw2200 module
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 02:59:45AM +0200, oneman wrote: I've got a Dell Latitude D810 and I tried to get the wireless to work. I installed the ipw2200 driver, but get an error in dsmesg: dull:/home/oneman# dmesg | grep ipw ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0mq ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 ipw2200: failed to register network device ipw2200: probe of :03:03.0 failed with error -5 Does this mean the card is broken or is there anything I can do to get it loaded? which version of debian? I believe you need the firmware which is likely in non-free. enable the non-free repos in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an aptitude update and search for firmware. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: regexp q.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:45:03PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
...
The insane approach (dedicated to Andrew S-W, who is a great perl
aficionado):
#! /usr/bin/perl -w
#read file
open ( FH, test.txt );
$string = FH;
close ( FH );
# match and count
while ( $string =~ /('(\\'|[^'\\])*'|(\\'|[^'\\)])*|\)[^,\\]|\),[^(])*\),\(/g
) { $count++ }
print $count\n
gak my eyes bleed!
;-P
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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:44:02PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Cyorxamp) wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: to add to this... it sounds like OP is asking for known good snapshots of lenny to be tagged somehow and frozen until the next known good snapshot comes along. Okay, it's an interesting idea.. You're the first person to truly grasp what I was trying to say, I'm sorry folks if it was confusing but to me it really didn't read back as confusing. 1) who determines what constitutes a known-good snapshot? No idea, what do you think? Seriously I don't know. 2) and which of the roughly 18000 packages are to be included in the snapshot? 3)does that mean that the entire repo is duplicated at that point in time? that adds roughly 25% of the current repo size for every snapshot that is kept around Hopefully the repo doesn't need to be duplicated... I was thinking there might be a way of informing the preinstalled apt from the Alpha ISO cd that it should ignore updates until just a flag is raised. Thus you don't need another repository. so you would have to either create all the disk images for a complete install (like 16 cds, don't know how many dvd's) and host those, or create a snapshot of the repo for installing over the network. 4) security updates? the security team has enough to do already, you don't seriously think its a good idea to freeze a potentially bug-ridden pre-release set of packages without security support, do you? It's Alpha... so yes you freeze it and face the risks... 5) if security support is provided for alpha snapshots, is security expected to backport fixes to the latest alpha snapshot even if testing has moved on to another later version but hasn't yet kicked out a new snapshot yet? It wouldn't be supported. it's a complicated thing that OP proposes, I think. ISTM that it's much easier to realize that testing is a moving target alpha release (complete with security support, BTW) and the RC's are beta releases. Nope, its not complicated now you have those answers I hope :D I still think it's more complicated than you make it out to be. I personally don't buy it, but if it's what you really need, and if you aren't alone, then perhaps you can generate enough momentum to get it done. Or, heck, do it yourself! You could certainly run your own repository and pull updates into as needed to generate this alpha snapshot. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
apcupsd test fails
I'm new to UPS monitoring, but I googled that the most appropriate tool for my needs (single server attached to an APC MartUPS 750XL) is acupsd. I aptitude install'd it (testing) and then looked through /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf, and left everything alone; to my untrained eye, everything looks satisfactory. I then edited /etc/default/apcupsd so that the ISCONFIGURED line = yes. I then /etc/init.d/apcupsd start. ps ax reveals: 28402 ?Ssl0:00 /sbin/apcupsd The online web documentation suggested running apcaccess, which reveals: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log: sudo apcaccess Password: APC : 001,051,1213 DATE : Tue Jul 15 10:29:02 CDT 2008 HOSTNAME : goshen RELEASE : 3.12.4 VERSION : 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) debian UPSNAME : UPS_IDEN CABLE: Custom Cable Smart MODEL: Smart-UPS 750 XL UPSMODE : Stand Alone STARTTIME: Tue Jul 15 10:10:57 CDT 2008 STATUS : TRIM ONLINE LINEV: 127.4 Volts LOADPCT : 16.9 Percent Load Capacity BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent TIMELEFT : 55.0 Minutes MBATTCHG : 5 Percent MINTIMEL : 3 Minutes MAXTIME : 0 Seconds MAXLINEV : 127.4 Volts MINLINEV : 126.7 Volts OUTPUTV : 113.0 Volts SENSE: High DWAKE: 000 Seconds DSHUTD : 090 Seconds DLOWBATT : 02 Minutes LOTRANS : 106.0 Volts HITRANS : 127.0 Volts RETPCT : 000.0 Percent ITEMP: 27.9 C Internal ALARMDEL : 5 seconds BATTV: 27.5 Volts LINEFREQ : 60.2 Hz LASTXFER : Unacceptable line voltage changes NUMXFERS : 0 TONBATT : 0 seconds CUMONBATT: 0 seconds XOFFBATT : N/A SELFTEST : NO STESTI : OFF STATFLAG : 0x070A Status Flag REG1 : 0x00 Register 1 REG2 : 0x00 Register 2 REG3 : 0x00 Register 3 MANDATE : 11/19/04 SERIALNO : AS0447133208 BATTDATE : 11/19/04 NOMOUTV : 120 NOMBATTV : 24.0 EXTBATTS : 0 FIRMWARE : 630.3.D APCMODEL : FWD END APC : Tue Jul 15 10:29:05 CDT 2008 That same documentation says I need to test communication (http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/Testing_Apcupsd.html) by disconnecting the serial cable and seeing if a message pops up or shows up in the log files (/var/log/syslog I assume, or /var/log/apcupsd.events). I unplugged it for about 10-15 seconds, then reconnected it. syslog shows: Jul 15 09:52:46 goshen apcupsd[28224]: apcupsd 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) debian startup succeeded Jul 15 09:52:48 goshen apcupsd[28224]: NIS server startup succeeded and apcupsd.events shows: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log: sudo cat apcupsd.events Tue Jul 15 09:52:46 CDT 2008 apcupsd 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) debian startup succeeded I then modified the /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf file, changing the STATTIME from 0 (default, disabled) to 10, and then did an /etc/init.d/apcupsd restart. The expected /var/log/apcupsd.status file did not appear, and the only changes in /var/log/apcupsd.events was an additional note of stopping/starting the daemon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log: sudo cat apcupsd.events Tue Jul 15 09:52:46 CDT 2008 apcupsd 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) debian startup succeeded Tue Jul 15 10:10:46 CDT 2008 apcupsd exiting, signal 15 Tue Jul 15 10:10:46 CDT 2008 apcupsd shutdown succeeded Tue Jul 15 10:11:11 CDT 2008 apcupsd 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) debian startup succeeded I then ran apcaccess again, and now the /var/log/apcupsd.status file exists, with the contents of the output of apcaccess. Later I ran apcaccess again, and it seems to have overwritten the /var/log/apcupsd.status file with the new run. In short, I'm not seeing the activity in the apcupsd.event and apcupsd.status logfiles I would expect to see based on my understanding of the documentation. Any suggestions/clues? Thanks! -- Kent West *))) http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JRE which openjdk gcj
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:35:55PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 05:26:14 pm Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 02:59:00PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 02:47:06 pm Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:02:05AM +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Hi I have noticed that openjdk has made it into the repo's. Wondering what people thoughts where on openjdk, gij and gcj ? ... I haven't used openjdk and I used gcj a while back (its installed but I default to the sun implementation) there is also the ibm version and bea's versions with sun-java fully open now, it will be interesting to watch what happens. Will gcj continue, pulling code from sun-java, or will the gcj people accept sun-java and allow gcj to just die. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: JRE which openjdk gcj
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:06:08PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Tuesday 15 July 2008 02:17:55 pm Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:35:55PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 05:26:14 pm Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 02:59:00PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 02:47:06 pm Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:02:05AM +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Hi I have noticed that openjdk has made it into the repo's. Wondering what people thoughts where on openjdk, gij and gcj ? ... I haven't used openjdk and I used gcj a while back (its installed but I default to the sun implementation) there is also the ibm version and bea's versions with sun-java fully open now, it will be interesting to watch what happens. Will gcj continue, pulling code from sun-java, or will the gcj people accept sun-java and allow gcj to just die. A I have been wondering about that. And that is also the reason why I am confused by *java* in Linux. Sun-java is GPL IFAIK. well, it wasn't DFSG free for a long time. hence the competing platforms for java. http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/story.jsp A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: JRE which openjdk gcj
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:02:05AM +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Hi I have noticed that openjdk has made it into the repo's. Wondering what people thoughts where on openjdk, gij and gcj ? Seems like we have lots of choice, and there might be a chance to see a 64B browser plugin now, but how ready are they to use in production. My understand is gcj and the classpath libraries are still a bit wanting I ran into a problem the other day... my current class sort of requires the use of Eclipse, okay that's fine, though it's no emacs ;-P. Anyway, in sid currently, installing eclipse pulls in gcj and uses that as the default. THe problem? no Scanner... wtf? why won't my code work at home when it will at school? long story short, sun-java6-jdk works great. very very much .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: screen resolution
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:03:46PM +0200, niclas wahlgren wrote: Can't get screen resolution up to 1600x1200. xrandr says: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 768, maximum 1280 x 1280 VGA1 disconnected DVI0 disconnected VGA2 connected 1280x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1280x800 60.0 1280x768 60.0* 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 640x48059.9 640x400 120.0 640x384 120.2 512x384 120.0 Both screen and video card manages 1600x1200. (works with winxp) Whatever I try in screen configuration editor it says : Sorry, this configuration video card driver and monitor doesn't appear to work. you should provide us with you're xorg.conf. I would suggest that it's possible that to achieve the resolution you want requires a clock that's just outside the configured parameters, resulting in Xorg abandoning those resolutions. As an exmaple, my wife's monitor has (making up numbers here just to show the example) a max HorizSync of 64mhz, but the calculated HorizSync for her preferred resolution ends up being 64.03mhz or something silly like that. It's surely some kind of rounding error or some such. A tweak to the xorg.conf allowing 64.5mhz solves the problem. your /var/log/Xorg.0.log should provide detailed information on the status of all the attempted resolutions. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sudo password visible through ssh command line
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:26:58PM +0100, Chris Davies wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:04:31PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote: In sid with key passwordless auth : ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo ls password: password And password is shown you I definitely consider that a bug. Who to file against? I don't know. Is this new behavior? It's not a bug (well, not in the classic sense), and it's not new behaviour. Su doesn't work at all. su complains su: must be run from a terminal, and this helps point towards the underlying issue. When you run ssh with a command argument, it does not (by default) create a terminal. This means there's no way to disable echo, so sudo ends up prompting with a visible password. The solution is to force ssh to allocate a pseudo-tty, with the -t flag: ssh -t [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo ls thanks for the lesson. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 02:11:13PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:36 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: it's a complicated thing that OP proposes, I think. ISTM that it's much easier to realize that testing is a moving target alpha release (complete with security support, BTW) and the RC's are beta releases. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sid alpha, testing beta, and frozen the RC? sure, I was just trying to come up with a way to fit OP's idea into the way debian works. Your attempt is better... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
Steven Maddox (Cyorxamp) wrote: --- All we have to do is form an official sister project that makes a slightly tweaked version of stable (Etch) with a different Kernel that doesn't contain the binary firmware. snip This sister project can act as a constant reminder we use binary firmware and keep us focussed on (one day, I admit its a long way off) moving towards that goal. And hopefully eventually (personal opinion here) GNU/Hurd... so it no longer matters anyway. Debian has the upper hand in servers, stability, and multi architecture... it's time we show FSF why endorsing an OS that _only_ a x86 desktop-orientated OS is not enough. One of the reasons I chose Debian when I started in Linux years ago was because Debian was committed to Free. As I read your rant here, I find myself in basic agreement with you. However, not being a coder, and not having organizational skills to herd cats and the like, I'm not sure I have any ability to help except perhaps as a cheerleader (and being lazy and basically unexcitable, not a very good one). Still, I very much like the idea of Debian being known as the reference (i.e. the one-and-only-True) GNU distribution. (I've always wished Hurd was mature enough to use.) --- NOTE: I only use Dreamlinux occasionally to see how its doing, I'm not a regular user and this isn't an advert - I'm using it as an example of a 'not so bad fork'. snip To some degree these Sporks (less than forks) make me think a win for them, is at the very least a small win for us... if we can have official KDE leaning and XFCE leaning editions of Debian (alternate CD1's) then these are like unofficial editions of debian with their own cause... but not straying totally on two feet from our project like Ubuntu. I had not been aware of DreamLinux. Generally when I recommend Linux to someone, I recommend Debian (via http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com for ease of installation) or Ubuntu (Debian-based). Now that I'm aware of DreamLinux, I'll take it for a spin in the next day or so, and probably started recommending it instead of Ubuntu. (I've always felt just a tad dirty recommending Ubuntu; now perhaps I can feel better about my recommendations.) --- Now for my final rant... I've been using testing (Lenny)... snip Every day there's a good twenty odd updates which makes sense since it is -testing-. A few months back I couldn't even boot up because lilo had updated and screwed the boot up process (don't say use grub, there's a good reason why I use lilo) but I fixed it, woo! I don't really mind the fixing of stuff and that was barely a problem (only a few hours :S). At the moment I can't use my number pad keys and every now and then focus gets stuck on an individual object (like a text box) in a program and you can't click or do anything else _on_ anything else. This occurred a could of week back... _after_ updates ;P DUN DUN DUUUNN. I've found that for me, running Sid is less painful than running Testing. -- Kent West *))) http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:28:38PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Cyorxamp) wrote: ... 3) Lets try a medium ground between stable and testing. ... This wouldn't be one more step... as I have already explained! It won't be unstable - testing - alpha - stable... that would be plain stupid. Alpha will just be a slightly re-badged ISO (one of the weekly generated ones) that represents a significant but feasibly usable step... it doesn't need a separate repository or much management at all. Please re-read what I originally wrote about this idea, I don't think you grasped how simple the suggestion was. Steven, welcome to DU. I'm not sure what you're proposing here, but we already do something like this with the combination of testing, code freeze and release candidates. When testing gets to a point where it is almost ready for release, the release manager issues a code freeze. That means no new code moves into testing (unstable too? not sure on that). Then the last of the RC bugs get worked on while the release team makes occaisional Release Candidate releases. I figure these are essentially beta test releases. Prior to a release candidate coming out, testing is in a constant state of alpha, it just doesn't have any numbering scheme. I suppose, one could arbitrarily assign numbers to it. Take the weekly snapshots and call each one lenny.alpha.xx where xx is the week number or something like that. But that's really only a naming convention, and not of any actual use. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 01:17:44PM -0500, Stackpole, Chris wrote: To be blunt... -Fail- That is not what I have suggested what so ever in any way shape or form. I could re-explain but I won't... you just wasted 8 reading paragraphs of my life listening to you arguing against a suggestion I didn't make. Please re-read what I suggested in my -original- message and not the one with the highlights for the other person that totally misunderstood the purpose of original message. OK. I will. I quote from your original email: If we had Alpha releases, say 'lenny-alpha1' release at a point where there's no major block/crash-like problems being caused then people could download that milestone release. 'lenny-alpha1' could then not update until 'lenny-alpha2' is released Sounds like you want to have pre-stable release to me. It's called a Release Candidate. I still see no reason to have separate releases or stages within testing. I think it is more trouble then it is worth for the developers. to add to this... it sounds like OP is asking for known good snapshots of lenny to be tagged somehow and frozen until the next known good snapshot comes along. Okay, it's an interesting idea, but I think it's a non-starter for several reasons: 1) who determines what constitutes a known-good snapshot? 2) and which of the roughly 18000 packages are to be included in the snapshot? 3)does that mean that the entire repo is duplicated at that point in time? that adds roughly 25% of the current repo size for every snapshot that is kept around 4) security updates? the security team has enough to do already, you don't seriously think its a good idea to freeze a potentially bug-ridden pre-release set of packages without security support, do you? 5) if security support is provided for alpha snapshots, is security expected to backport fixes to the latest alpha snapshot even if testing has moved on to another later version but hasn't yet kicked out a new snapshot yet? it's a complicated thing that OP proposes, I think. ISTM that it's much easier to realize that testing is a moving target alpha release (complete with security support, BTW) and the RC's are beta releases. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:55:19AM -0500, Kent West wrote: .. I've found that for me, running Sid is less painful than running Testing. AOL that. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 08:31:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in proprietary locations. second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point: last month the family and I took a vacation. For several days we were going to be at separate locations, so the kids would be without my laptop (which carries separate accounts for each of them, I am the best dad in the world!). Well, no, because I am. Anyway... ;-) Creating individual accounts for everyone on a computer *should* be nothing to crow about. Not doing it should be a reason the Geek Police takes your computer away from you. didn't mean to crow about that... I was attempting to dissuade the potential raft of OMG, I hope you kids have separate accounts... responses. Oh well. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sudo password visible through ssh command line
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:04:31PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote: Hi, In sid with key passwordless auth : ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo ls password: password And password is shown you just confirming I see this behavior as well. Any tip to avoid this ? don't issue sudo commands in an ssh command like that. Separate them into two steps. Where should be reported this bug if it could be consider as such (note I don't know if there are more programs with this problem)? I definitely consider that a bug. Who to file against? I don't know. I don't use ssh this way, so... Is this new behavior? If so can you pinpoint when it started and determine from your aptitude logs which package may be involved? I can't come up with another program that will prompt for a password over ssh like that. Su doesn't work at all. There is this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337484 which seems like it *might* be related. If you can't come up with anything more definitive, I would recommend filing against openssh-client as a starting point. They can likely pinpoint where the problem is and forward appropriately. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in proprietary locations. second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point: last month the family and I took a vacation. For several days we were going to be at separate locations, so the kids would be without my laptop (which carries separate accounts for each of them, I am the best dad in the world!). I installed squirrelmail on my mail server, pointed it at the IMAP server (dovecot) and the problem was solved, in about 5 minutes. The whole family had mail access over the web without mucking around with teaching them how to configure clients (and then clean up afterwards!) and so forth. easy peasy. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Solved] Re: Unable to remove trousers (package!!!)
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:50:33PM +0200, Julian wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:28:39PM -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: yes, but it has brought so much joy to others. i even forwarded it to people not on list. :D I have to admit, this quite funny ;) But why the hell, do someone call a package trousers, with such a name you are supposed to walk into that kind of trap. At least it's not Panties. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Energy efficiency difference btw GNU/Linux, Mac MS
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 07:55:56AM +0100, andy wrote: Hello all As part of my studies I must draw up a spec for providing a hypothetical building with power sourced solely from renewables (solar, PV, wind). This building is an educational establishment for about 20 people using computers. The budget is (naturally) tight. Logically, before one powers a building, one needs to ensure that the existing loads are the most efficient that they can be so that the supply is not being wasted by hungry loads. What I want to find out is whether anyone here knows of any studies/reports that identifies whether or not there is a difference in the energy efficiency among GNU/Linux systems, Mac and Microsoft. I bet it's pretty hard to find a reasonable, non-biased study about this, but if you find one, I'd be intrigued. I can easily make the argument that licensing and maintenance costs would be cheaper using GNU/Linux, as well as recommending either a system of laptops and/or a system of thin clients. ISTM that regardless of who's software is more efficient, arguably the best method is thin clients, from an energy perspecitve. This is based on the assumption that you will have a few 24/7 machines anyway. And that points, at least in my mind, a little bit towards OSS because of the inexpensive virtualization options. A few physical machines running at nearly full capacity seems to me to be more energy efficient than a bunch of machines running at lower loads. But that is all idle speculation around the water cooler. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why do you add spaces to your url links?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:14:44AM +, T o n g wrote: On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:07:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: http://i37. tinypic .com/2d9y07o.jpg (without space) That totally defeats the purpose of having hyperlinks. please post back the actual url, without space of course. whoosh! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Solved] Re: Unable to remove trousers (package!!!)
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/08/08 17:25, stabbyjones wrote: the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. He's the one who wants to talk about taking off his trousers... Norm: oooh ouch Sammy:what's the matter Norm! Norm:my shorts are binding up on me Sammy:well get up and fix it Norm:it's okay, they'll self-correct. How about another beer Sammy --Cheers A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Scripting Question - tar
I have this script (stripped down to basics): #!/bin/bash sourceDir='/home/'# Directory you're backing up targetDir='/TERASTATIONBACKUP/GOSHEN/'$(date +%Y)# Destination directory for the tarball targFileBase='GoshensHome'# Desired base part of the tarball's filename targetFile=$targetDir/`date +%Y-%b-%e`.tgz echo Tarring up source into target echo $targetFile tar -czvf - --one-file-system $sourceDir | split -b 2000m $targetFile The script fails with this output: Tarring up source into target /TERASTATIONBACKUP/GOSHEN/2008/2008-Jul-10.tgz split: cannot open `/TERASTATIONBACKUP/GOSHEN/2008/2008-Jul-10.tgz' for reading: No such file or directory tar: Removing leading `/' from member names But, if I comment out the tar line above and replace it with this line: tar -cvzf - --one-file-system /home | split -b 2000m - /TERASTATIONBACKUP/GOSHEN/2008/2008-Jul-10.tgz the script works. Am I just not seeing a typo somewhere? Why is my script failing? Thanks! -- Kent West *))) http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scripting Question - tar
Owen Townend wrote: Kent West wrote: Am I just not seeing a typo somewhere? Why is my script failing? Hey, You're missing the '-' for stdin tar -czvf - --one-file-system $sourceDir | split -b 2000m - $targetFile Ah, thank you! -- Kent West ))) Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Chris Davies wrote: Barclay, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message? Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded. Thanks. (And thanks to others who sent me copies.) Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed .. Daniel P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response message doesn't says anything about changing that setting. So far as I know, the default is to get copies of everything. Unless you've changed it otherwise, you should be recieving them. Is you mail system perhaps seeing them as duplicates and deleting them? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:41:57PM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: ... P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response message doesn't says anything about changing that setting. So far as I know, the default is to get copies of everything. Unless you've changed it otherwise, you should be recieving them. Is you mail system perhaps seeing them as duplicates and deleting them? That's a good theory. Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)? try a different MUA? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to create qemu-bootable image using debootstrap?
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:18:22AM -0700, David Barrett wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 11:34:52PM -0700, David Barrett wrote: Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 09:00:38PM -0700, David Barrett wrote: David Barrett wrote: What's the best way to create a raw disk image using debootstrap that can be booted with qemu? Following up on my previous post: I've figured out some of the steps, but I'm stuck on installing Grub. Do you know how to install grub on a raw device file? Forgive a silly question, but why do you want to install grub on the image? Are you planning to dd it onto a physical disk? No, I'm just going to use it as a QEMU image. It'll stay virtual, but it'll need to boot all the same. Unless there's some way to get it to boot without grub? If I recall correctly, qemu can boot a linux kernel directly so you *probably* don't need grub. Aha! I completely forgot about those options. This works great: sudo qemu -kernel-kqemu -kernel newtest.mount/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 -append root=/dev/hda1 ro -initrd newtest.mount/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-486 newtest.raw It makes the command line a bit awkward, but does the trick. This is great workaround, thanks! That said, if possible, I'd still like to get grub installed to make it self-contained and boot up like normal (else I need to update all the startup scripts to be aware of the exact kernel version). can you not use the grub floppy disk image and just cat it into the boot sector? Another idea: write a script to install grub from a chroot, copy that script into the image, and then chroot in and run that script from your other script. or: make a barebones image with grub installed by some other non-automated method and then use that bare image as the starting point for your script, eliminating the dd step. just .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SOLVED (mostly): How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Chris Burkhardt wrote: H.S. wrote: Kent West wrote: I've just discovered that upgrading from the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel to the 2.6.24-1-686 re-introduces a hang-up on booting. D'oh! (choosing the old 2.6.18 kernel from lilo gets me going again, though - whew! Stupid Optiplex 320!) This might not matter, but can you verify that with new kernel, the root variable is being set as expected in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? Except he's using LILO and not Grub. But Kent might want to make sure everything in /etc/lilo.conf looks right. Congratulations on getting it going at all :) Yep, did that. The stanzas are the same as far as the options, etc. There's just something in the .24 kernel that's not in the .18 that causes it to hang. Man, this model of Dell has left me disliking Dell. -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde volume control question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need the select the PCM since it's the master. Just right-click to the mixer icon and select select master channel and select PCM from the appeared window and select OK. Now your misbehaving slider will control your master out. Quicktip: mouse wheel on kmix icon also commands the single slider that ypu selected as master. No clicks needed ;) Well that was easy. Wonder why I've never noticed that. Thanks! And the extra tip is nice also. Thanks again! -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Kent West wrote: Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. And I've just spent a day and a half trying to find a version of Windows that would install on it so I could update the BIOS to the most recent version, hoping that'd help. The best solution I've seen so far is to use this line at the installer's (Etch, I believe) LILO prompt: boot: install pci=nomsi That gets me farther than anything else I've tried, but when it tries to find the CD-ROM, it can't find the drive. (Apparently there's something really mucky about the SATA controller on this particular model of Dell.) So I tried going the route of doing a network install via http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me any option to feed the pci=nomsi parameter (or any other similar parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to let me add boot arguments. Anyone have any suggestions? (Wow! I never thought I'd consider a Dell to be absolute cr*p, but this is it.) Thanks! http://faculty.acu.edu/~westk/optiplex320-debian.txt -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde volume control question
I have a couple of different machines doing this. Audio works fine, volume control works fine from the mixer, depending on which control I move. However, the systray volume control related to kmix doesn't control the device in kmix which controls the volume. For example, on this machine in front of me, I can be playing some audio, but the little blue KDE volume control down by the clock doesn't affect the volume, but if I click on the word Mixer when that control is open, that will open the mixer window, and I can control the volume by moving the PCM control in the Output tab. If it's easy enough to explain, I'd like to know how a mixer works (what is PCM; what do the green and red lights mean; etc), but that's probably more complicated (and may vary depending on hardware) than is suitable here, so my real question ... How do I get the volume control in the systray to control the PCM control instead of whatever other control it is presumably controlling? Thanks! -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED (mostly): How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Kent West wrote: Kent West wrote: Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. And I've just spent a day and a half trying to find a version of Windows that would install on it so I could update the BIOS to the most recent version, hoping that'd help. The best solution I've seen so far is to use this line at the installer's (Etch, I believe) LILO prompt: boot: install pci=nomsi That gets me farther than anything else I've tried, but when it tries to find the CD-ROM, it can't find the drive. (Apparently there's something really mucky about the SATA controller on this particular model of Dell.) So I tried going the route of doing a network install via http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me any option to feed the pci=nomsi parameter (or any other similar parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to let me add boot arguments. Anyone have any suggestions? (Wow! I never thought I'd consider a Dell to be absolute cr*p, but this is it.) Thanks! http://faculty.acu.edu/~westk/optiplex320-debian.txt I've just discovered that upgrading from the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel to the 2.6.24-1-686 re-introduces a hang-up on booting. D'oh! (choosing the old 2.6.18 kernel from lilo gets me going again, though - whew! Stupid Optiplex 320!) -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xen. Ohm ohm
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:26:56AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: I feel so dirty. I am using vmworkstation because at the time I wanted to learn Linux server things, not vm things. Now I am looking at Xen and it seems interesting. However, I am having a hard time on finding good info (I admit, I am not putting in hours of research, just 20 min here and there when the thought strikes me). I I have really found so far is this: http://julien.danjou.info/xen.html ignore the not maintained message, the guy updated it enough to still be relevant. I have not found anything yet to tell me how to set up host only networking. I want one VM to act as a router like this: WAN--eth0 192.168.200.15/24--dom0 ---eth1--192.168.200.16/24-domU---virt ethX--192.168.1.16/24---other domUs there is information about this on the shorewall website: http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html, though it's extremely complicated and likely more than you need. It got me started though. Combined with pciback(see Xen wiki for info) to move my red-zone interface to my domU firewall, it works pretty well. I have WAN - physical eth0 moved to domU (firewall) with pciback eth1 in firewall domU 192.168.2.1- DMZ domUs (mail, web, etc) eth2 in f/w domU 192.168.1.1- dom0 fileserver and LAN The whole thing is a little dodgy, and seems kind of fragile. It doesn't always work well on a reboot, as I don't seem to have the interfaces coming up in the right order, but it does work. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Advice for troubleshooting X (total screen loss) -- Newb Alert
Jeff Soules wrote: After install, I attempt to start X using startx. A few lines of text flash on the screen, then it blacks out and the system buzzer gives me one short beep. I cannot alt-Fx to any other terminal and lose the terminal I'm working in, and have to restart with ctrl-alt-del. Setup: I have a fresh install of Etch (AMD64 version) running on an Athlon64x2 dual-core proc. Graphics card is an EVGA-branded nVidia 8600GT. Display is a 22 Acer LCD; I ensured the refresh rates in the x configuration were within monitor specs. I would start by changing the nvidia driver to the nv driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice for troubleshooting X (total screen loss) -- Newb Alert
Jeff Soules wrote: Kent West wrote: I would start by changing the nvidia driver to the nv driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Mumia W. wrote: Re-do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the vesa driver--just to check if the nvidia driver is the source of the problem. Thanks for the suggestions. I have retried using both of the generic drivers. Now I'm getting a fatal server error -- no screens found. Still not working, but at least it's enough to start me on further research. I attempted lowering the resolution to see if that would let it detect the monitor (and also tried disabling glx) but neither resolved the problem; moreover, when I set x to autodetect the monitor, the screen goes black again with no signal to monitor and I'm forced to do a hard reboot by hitting the box's reset button. The monitor in question is an Acer 22 lcd, if anyone out there has any experience with these. I will keep looking into this and report back when I find a solution, but in the mean time if anyone has any further suggestions I am all ears At this point, I believe I'd drop all the way back to the vga driver. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Kent West wrote: Chris Burkhardt wrote: I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not press 'e' to edit. If so select kernel line and press 'e' again and add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot. No, there's not so much as a grub menu; it's like the grub menu has been pre-told which option to boot from, so there's no option for the user to over-ride the installer's choices. I was hoping someone knew a hot-key (like the left-shift (IIRC) in LILO when it's been instructed not to wait for user interaction) to bring the menu up. Display the menu by pressing ESC before it boots: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#hiddenmenu Ah, that looks like what I need. I'll be able to try it Monday. Nope. So, it looks like whoever wrote the goodbye-microsoft.com script bypassed that option somehow. So I reckon I'll give up on this method. Thanks anyway! -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 04:51:25AM -0700, Adam Hardy (debian) wrote: [snipped tales of woe regarding mixed systems] I have a 5 year-old system hosted on Xen by a hosting company, which I only use for Java and mysql - currently it's running Woody and being slap-dash, I tried to install a piece of software using apt-get, which promptly failed. Seeing the conversation above, it sounds bad - but I'm going to try something otherwise I have to ask the hosting co to wipe my Xen slice for me. If I put 'sarge' in all the sources.list urls, I should be able to upgrade to sarge OK? Or is it too late? you should read the release notes for sarge first: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and you might need to use oldstable as the identifier in sources.list. But yes, you should be able to upgrade to sarge. Once you're in the think of it, you might want to take the next step and move up to etch since it may go to old stable in the next few months. Then when that happens, you can move up to lenny when it's fairly fresh. At that point, you can let it go for another 5 years or so... ;-) A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: minimalist window managers [was Re: Preferred applications: IDE, text-editor, music player.]
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:01:59AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started with wmii, played with some others, and then stumbled on xmonad and got hooked. to each their own. Just like vimperator... tried it but I'm apparently not a vim guy... emacs seems to suit me better, thus vimperator was a bad fit. I find I use a text browser more and more. what about conkeror? It was an extension to give Firefox Emacs-style keybindings, but is now a separate XULRunner browser. http://conkeror.org/ interesting, thanks for this. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: where is xmms?
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04:52PM +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote: On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote: Ivan Glushkov wrote: Hi all, I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility to install xmms? If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream maintainer. So, people using it need to transition to something else. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install plugins package as well. just to jump in... I recommend mpd with some kind of front end. I find it just the thing: small, and out of the way. It's just a music player daemon (hence the name). You can control it with a number of different cli and graphical front ends. I like mpc, a cli frontend. You issue commands like `mpc play` or `mpc next` etc. Makes it easy to script or bind to WM keys. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cut and paste with the screen program
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:21:46AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 05:34:17PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: Hi, I'm using screen. (So I can have many terminals in one text-console). How can I cut and paste between screen terminals? (using the keyboard) I'm totally blind and use braille and a little bit of speech. Cheers, (And thanks for any help) ctrl-a ] more specifically, use ctrl-a [ to switch to copy mode. Then use the cursor keys to move to the text you want to select. Use the spacebar to mark the beginning of the selection, cursor keys to move to the end of the selection, and spacebar to mark the end of the selection. The selected text will be copied into the buffer. To paste this buffer, at the current insertion point in whatever screen you choose, use ctrl-a ]. hth, A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. And I've just spent a day and a half trying to find a version of Windows that would install on it so I could update the BIOS to the most recent version, hoping that'd help. The best solution I've seen so far is to use this line at the installer's (Etch, I believe) LILO prompt: boot: install pci=nomsi That gets me farther than anything else I've tried, but when it tries to find the CD-ROM, it can't find the drive. (Apparently there's something really mucky about the SATA controller on this particular model of Dell.) So I tried going the route of doing a network install via http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me any option to feed the pci=nomsi parameter (or any other similar parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to let me add boot arguments. Anyone have any suggestions? (Wow! I never thought I'd consider a Dell to be absolute cr*p, but this is it.) Thanks! -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Robin wrote: 2008/6/20 Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. snip So I tried going the route of doing a network install via http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me any option to feed the pci=nomsi parameter (or any other similar parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to let me add boot arguments. I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not press 'e' to edit. If so select kernel line and press 'e' again and add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot. No, there's not so much as a grub menu; it's like the grub menu has been pre-told which option to boot from, so there's no option for the user to over-ride the installer's choices. I was hoping someone knew a hot-key (like the left-shift (IIRC) in LILO when it's been instructed not to wait for user interaction) to bring the menu up. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?
Chris Burkhardt wrote: I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not press 'e' to edit. If so select kernel line and press 'e' again and add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot. No, there's not so much as a grub menu; it's like the grub menu has been pre-told which option to boot from, so there's no option for the user to over-ride the installer's choices. I was hoping someone knew a hot-key (like the left-shift (IIRC) in LILO when it's been instructed not to wait for user interaction) to bring the menu up. Display the menu by pressing ESC before it boots: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#hiddenmenu Ah, that looks like what I need. I'll be able to try it Monday. Thanks! -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimalist window managers [was Re: Preferred applications: IDE, text-editor, music player.]
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 05:16:47PM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: A, On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: if you decide to investigate other minimalist WM's you might look at xmonad. It's all keyboard controlled, tiled with a variety of customizable tiling layouts. pretty fun(unctional). Actually, I was using xmonad before switching to DWM. I'll take configuring DWM via editing a C header file(config.h) and recompiling DWM over Haskell any day. :-) Actually I've tried xmonad, ion3, ratpoison, awesome, evilwm, stumpwm, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. I ended up trying DWM a couple of times before I got hooked. Oh, did I mention I use the vimperator Firefox plugin to give my browser a vim look/feel. I started with wmii, played with some others, and then stumbled on xmonad and got hooked. to each their own. Just like vimperator... tried it but I'm apparently not a vim guy... emacs seems to suit me better, thus vimperator was a bad fit. I find I use a text browser more and more. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MàJ d'un soft compilé
maderios a écrit : Installer checkinstall Compiler ton programme lancer checkinstall à la place de make install et ton programme compilé apparait sous la forme d'un .deb que tu peux installer avec dpkg CheckInstall keeps track of all the files created or modified by your installation script (make install make install_modules, setup, etc), builds a standard binary package and installs it in your system giving you the ability to uninstall it with your distribution's standard package management utilities. Homepage: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/docs/README Ok, merci pour l'info. Mais dans le cas d'une mise à jour, peut ton s'aider de checkinstall ? On peu facilement installé puis désinstallé, mais j'imagine que tout est perdu, n'est ce pas ? Si ce n'est pas possible avec checkinstall ou un dpkg sur le .deb généré par checkinstall, faire un make install classique permet il de garder ses fichiers de configuration et autres ajouts de l'utilisateur(fichiers perso...) ? Je ne connais pas le comportemant d'une compilation de soft de version supérieur sur un systeme ou la version intérieur a été installée par compilation. J'ai du installé 2 3 softs par compilation (qmail, simscan, courier-imap...), mais le jour ou j'aurai besoin de les mettre à jour(cause de failles ou autres) je ne sais pas trop comment m'y prendre sans tout refaire. Vu que le serveur est en prod, j'ai pas envie de regretté ou avoir plusieurs heures de résintalltion et configuration derriere, juste pour une simple MàJ. Le make install, ne prend il pas en considération ce simple cas de MàJ ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
minimalist window managers [was Re: Preferred applications: IDE, text-editor, music player.]
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:38:42PM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Nuno, On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Nuno Magalhães wrote: The thing is i have a few requirements: i want applications that are not desktop-dependant (i.e. Gnome or KDE) and do not rely upon Java. This rules out a lot of text editors. For console, i use nano, for GUI i'm using leafpad, any other suggestions? I've gone to the extreme with desktop-independence. I use DWM as my window manager and have it tweaked such that unless I happen to have a browser or image/movie viewer open it looks just like the Linux console. The only window decorations is a one pixel wide border to show which window has focus, which I can toggle off/on. DWM can be completely controlled via the keyboard. I use the plain Jane console version of vim even when using it under X in a urxvt window. if you decide to investigate other minimalist WM's you might look at xmonad. It's all keyboard controlled, tiled with a variety of customizable tiling layouts. pretty fun(unctional). A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Root sending messages to users
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01:21PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: does no one use 'talk' anymore? MK Ehm, this is for the console... Better: xtakl or linpopup does no one use CLI anymore? :D xmonad, urxvt, mutt, emacs-nox, mpc, irssi, screen... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Preventing DNS lookup prior to sending 220 banner in exim4 on etch
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 08:32:15PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:37:59PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:34:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have exim4 (exim4-daemon-heavy) running on etch. This machine has only a few users who send directly. One of them has an ISP who seems to have a broken DNS setup. The symptom I see is that when this user connects to the server (port 25 or 587) there is a large delay before the 220 banner is shown e.g.: [snip] Is it possible to whitelist a range or turn off the check? There is a debconf option that minimizes DNS lookups. It should solve this problem, but it might disable the lookups also in places where you might want them. OK - just tried that. Seems to set the host_lookup to empty instead of * and yes - the 220 banner is now instant. I wonder if there is a way to say that host_lookup is everything except a range though? It would be great to be able to say all hosts except the IPs in this ISP's dial up ranges. I think you can do that directly in the exim.conf file, but that would more or less require a handwritten file. It's not that hard, but definitely an order of magnitude more difficult than using debconf. There may be a way to add additional lines to the debconf config as well, which would help. You should read the exim documentation (heh) for more details. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Some images not displayed by Iceweasel
Edward C. Jones wrote: I use Debian unstable, amd64 port, on a PC with a 64 bit AMD chip. The latest version of Iceweasel, iceweasel_3.0~rc2-1, sometimes fails to display images. I suspect that javascript is involved. For example see the url: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx which is a US Weather Bureau radar image. What is the problem? Just FYI: I have the same problem on 2.6.25-2-686 on an Intel box. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some images not displayed by Iceweasel
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/17/08 15:22, Edward C. Jones wrote: I use Debian unstable, amd64 port, on a PC with a 64 bit AMD chip. The latest version of Iceweasel, iceweasel_3.0~rc2-1, sometimes fails to display images. I suspect that javascript is involved. For example see the url: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx Works perfectly for me which is a US Weather Bureau radar image. What is the problem? Probably a conflict with some add-on. Do you have No-script? A more consistent example for me is http://www.drudgereport.com/ at which some images show and some don't. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some images not displayed by Iceweasel
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/17/08 15:59, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/17/08 15:22, Edward C. Jones wrote: I use Debian unstable, amd64 port, on a PC with a 64 bit AMD chip. The latest version of Iceweasel, iceweasel_3.0~rc2-1, sometimes fails to display images. I suspect that javascript is involved. For example see the url: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx Works perfectly for me which is a US Weather Bureau radar image. What is the problem? Probably a conflict with some add-on. Do you have No-script? A more consistent example for me is http://www.drudgereport.com/ at which some images show and some don't. I just tried DR on IE7 under XP Pro and Iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 on an up-to-date Sid. The only differences were that Ad-Block Plus did what it does. All of the news photos showed up properly. Here's what it looks like on my box: http://www.acu.edu/~westk/drudge.jpg -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some images not displayed by Iceweasel
Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/17/08 15:22, Edward C. Jones wrote: I use Debian unstable, amd64 port, on a PC with a 64 bit AMD chip. The latest version of Iceweasel, iceweasel_3.0~rc2-1, sometimes fails to display images. I suspect that javascript is involved. For example see the url: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx What add-ons are you running? And what version of Iceweasel? Does it in Safe-Mode, too (so no add-ons). Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061602 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-1) -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MàJ d'un soft compilé
Bonjour la liste, J'aimerais savoir comment peut on mettre à jour un logiciel installé par compilation de manière sure, sans perdre sa configuration, s'assurer que ce n'est que le delta qui soit installé. Avez vous des procédures ? Cela dépend t'il du makefile ? j'entends par là, que le développeur aurait pensé à ce cas et laisserait les fichiers de config sans modification par exemple, ou remplace t'il purement et simplement tous les fichiers. Qu'elle sont les méthodes à a voir afin d'obtenir une mise à jour propre sans trop de soucis (presque à la manière de APT) ? Sachant que le plus souvent on ne sais plus trop ce qui est installé comme fichiers et oû (meme si maintenant je prend l'habitude de faire un ls avant et apres la compilation histoire d'avoir les ajouts ou modification apres la compilation. Merci de vos lumières à ce sujet. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree hang
THis got moved off-list accidently... summarizing below for posterity On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 01:25:10PM +0200, Paul Csanyi wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 08:47:10AM +0200, Paul Csanyi wrote: Hello! My System is Debian GNU/Linux Etch and Half. I have installed flashplugin-nonfree and it works well with iceweasel so far. ... I can't to purge nor remove flashplugin-nonfree with aptitude. Aptitude hangs at this task. What can I do to solve this problem? Any advices will be appreciated! Paul , please provide details of what happens when you attempt to remove aptitude. Preferably, copy and paste the console output including the initial command line used. $ sudo aptitude remove aptitude give to me an error message about that that tasksel is a broken package. I so totally didn't mean to remove aptitude. I meant to post the exact command and output of the purge command. d'oh. After I remove aptitude and tasksel and install these again (with apt-get), I can to remove flashplugin-nonfree and install it again. Now iceweasel works fine. :) alls well that ends well. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:18:06PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. And looking at your signature, I noticed IRC wasn't really mentioned in this thread. Not exactly instant-messaging, but a good place to get support (errr... or to be labeled as n00b). I normally use xchat, which is probably also the client of choice for the Gnomes. From what I understand, Konversation is the client of choice for the Trolls (err... KDE folks). The ChatZilla extension to Iceweael (or whatever) is also quite nice. Gaim/Pidgin and Kopete have their own IRC plugins. And there's the irssi terminal-based client. irssi + screen. it's where it's at AOL that! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: configuration of a linux router
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:01:39PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folk, At Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:27:40 -0400 Douglas A. Tutty wrote, ... if you want to really understand it use shorewall after reading shorewall-doc. ipmasq works but I want to use shorewall. I wonder why rules are needed for FTP but not for POP3. In fact, a rule for POP3 produces a complaint about ... unknown protocol 'pop3' that does not mean that a rule for POP3 is not needed. I don't remember if shorewall is case sensitive, but I bet it is in the context of defining a rule. maybe post the actual config line to produces the error? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree hang
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 08:47:10AM +0200, Paul Csanyi wrote: Hello! My System is Debian GNU/Linux Etch and Half. I have installed flashplugin-nonfree and it works well with iceweasel so far. ... I can't to purge nor remove flashplugin-nonfree with aptitude. Aptitude hangs at this task. What can I do to solve this problem? Any advices will be appreciated! Paul , please provide details of what happens when you attempt to remove aptitude. Preferably, copy and paste the console output including the initial command line used. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian on laptop
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 08:34:54AM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: Later I tried to do the same trick with Debian, after I wiped Ubuntu. The results were similar, except that the CRT/LCD key no longer worked, and if I wanted the projector to see my laptop, I had to restart X. If I started X with the projector connected, the resolution adapts to the projector, not the monitor. its possible that just running xrandr will bring up that second monitor without restarting X. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Compiling fails: file missing but it's there
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 05:44:25AM +0200, Sladi wrote: Hi, I try to compile xf4vnc on Lenny AMD64 following this page: http://xf4vnc.sourceforge.net/modular.html Only compiling the xserver fails. It complains about missing pixmap.h file. The file is installed via aptitude (/usr/include/pixman-1/pixman.h) and when trying make install it seems to look in the right directory because -I/usr/include/pixman-1 is visible. Can someone help me please? Is this a typo? You have written both pixmaP.h and pixmaN.h. If you really mean pixmaP.h, then you need to install xserver-xorg-dev. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard Network Driver Availiable? Hardware compatibility with Debian?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 09:45:30PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:08:06AM +0300, Odisseas-Nearxos Pasipoularidis wrote: I own a PC with an Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard and I am trying to install Debian OS on it. I can't find the driver to configure the Ethernet Network port. I need it so I can continue the OS installation over the Internet and be able to use Internet later on. Is there a driver appropriate? If yes, can you help me by providing it? What version of Debian are you trying to install? Etch may not have the driver; try installing Lenny or Sid. I don't think there's a way to add a driver during the install: this isn't microsoft. just for the record, though I've never done it, I think you *can* insert a driver, possibly into the install image, even. As I see it, you could do one of three things: 1) get a copy of the driver and stick it on a floppy or flashcard etc. During the install switch to a different VT and modprobe the module from there. 2) mount the .iso and copy the file into the directory tree there 3) extract the entire directory structure from the iso. Make any changes, and rebuild the iso. as I said, I've done none of these things myself, so caveat... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 01:41:53PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 15 Jun 2008, Lee Glidewell wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2008 01:27:14 am Anthony Campbell wrote: snip Wireless works with th old ipw3945 stuff but I have never managed to get iwlwifi to do anything, so I can't use a later kernel than 2.6.23, Well, it Works For Me(tm). The procedure for getting iwlwifi up and running is slightly different from the older driver, but it definitely works (with a few known bugs, admittedly, such as poor LED indicator support). I would never choose a wifi chip other than Intel, so I want to say both 1) it shouldn't present compatibility problems, and 2) encourage anyone who's had such problems to post them here, along with what they've done, so that if these *are* serious problems, I can stop suggesting Intel wifi. Because otherwise, I plan to suggest that. Yes, I know others have found it worked, and probably I have been doing something very silly. But I've followed all the docs as conscientiously as I can, without success. The Intellinux wireless org site says, in bold letters: NOTE: The iwlwifi driver is experimental and may not work for you. YMMV. I'll probably try again at some stage. when did you last try? Mine still works, though it's definitely a little buggy getting it to associate. I haven't upgraded the lappy in a while though, so maybe it's better. Currently, to get it to associate I have to run through the following hoops... ifup wlan0 # can't do anything without upping the thing iwlist wlan0 scan # will perform a scan (can you get this part to work?) iwconfig wlan0 essid essid of choice and then various permutations of iwconfig wlan0 channel chan # iwconfig wlan0 ap off iwconfig wlan0 ap MAC of desired ap all while watching tail -f /var/log/syslog in another terminal until I get the (paraphrased) message: NETDEV: wlan0 comes ready or something like that. I've tried to script this, but it just doesn't work reliably, which is frustrating. It seems that the driver doesn't actually do what it claims with regard to the 'ap off' command. It usually just tries to associate with the last ap, even if that ap is 100 miles away. its frustrating, but does work. And once it comes up, it works great. hth. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 06:00:19PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 15 Jun 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: ... ifup wlan0 # can't do anything without upping the thing iwlist wlan0 scan # will perform a scan (can you get this part to work?) iwconfig wlan0 essid essid of choice and then various permutations of iwconfig wlan0 channel chan # iwconfig wlan0 ap off iwconfig wlan0 ap MAC of desired ap all while watching tail -f /var/log/syslog in another terminal until I get the (paraphrased) message: NETDEV: wlan0 comes ready or something like that. I've tried to script this, but it just doesn't work reliably, which is frustrating. It seems that the driver doesn't actually do what it claims with regard to the 'ap off' command. It usually just tries to associate with the last ap, even if that ap is 100 miles away. ... Is there really any point in doing all this? Using the old system on a 2.6.23 kernel the connection comes up immediately and works flawlessly. Apart from the fact that I can't use any later kernels there is no disadvantage. I think that the iwlwifi business has been forced on us prematurely for no obvious benefit. I know we are supposed to help find the bugs, but I think I'll wait until the thing works better before going down that route again. well, that's certainly you're perogative. I was merely pointing out the state it's in for me... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality that mozilla took out... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fetchmail
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 07:35:59AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Jamie writes: using individual user ~/.fetchmailrc files is probably a safer and preferred way to use fetchmail. Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. It appears that the fetchmail init script does something like this already. At least on my mail server, it is running as user 103. I'm not sure why this user doesn't have a name, but regardless, it's not a root process. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: 2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality that mozilla took out... I was under the impression that although Iceweasel started off as a simple rebranding project that the maintainers had greater ambitions and that they already made changes to the source that have nothing to do with the branding - am I wrong? hmmm... I don't know that. You could be right, though a moderately quick google and reviewing the debian changelogs suggests that it is largely just rebranding. Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. that would be a problem. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:43:19PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: 2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. that would be a problem. ... Just to summarise the problems - Iceweasel (and FireFox) is the only integrated GUI gopher browser, most other gopher browsers just show the gopher menu tree and in some cases plain text documents with Iceweasel I can view images, html documents, flash files, sound files etc (assuming I have the appropriate plug-in) where as other gopher browsers would have to open another application, also other GUI gopher browsers have suffered from a lack of development in recent years (mainly (IMHO) because Iceweasel/FireFox did the job so well) which means they can look quite dated and lack a certain user friendliness (as far as I know the console gopher client -is the only dedicated gopher client still under active development). so for me, this is an interesting situation. But I don't use gopher. For you it must be downright annoying. Here's how it's interesting. Firefox provided a full-blown modern gopher browser that essentially killed the other gui gopher browsers by being vastly superior. Now firefox has dropped gopher support. I think that will do one of two things: 1) largely kill what remains of gopher, 2) spur development of gui gopher browsers that have languished. I would hope for the second option. I don't think it serves anyone to have a single dominant player for a given protocol. If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fetchmail
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:25:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. Andrew Sackville-West writes: It appears that the fetchmail init script does something like this already. At least on my mail server, it is running as user 103. Yes, it appears that my method (which I developed before Fetchmail had a daemon mode (initial version, before Fetchmail existed)) is obsolete. I'm not sure why this user doesn't have a name, but regardless, it's not a root process. 103 should be the user fetchmail. yeah. I need to find out why `ps aux` shows fetchmail run by user '103' and exim run by user '101' instead of by their names... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 05:02:15PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: On 2008-06-13 13:38, David wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: read 'man tune2fs' for some tips for setting interval and mount count to something that better meets your needs. This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly, but to still have a way to by-pass it when I need to. Making fsck run less frequently will leave me with the same problem. eg every 100th boot I will still have to wait 10-20 minutes before I can start using the PC, which is a royal PITA. So basically you want to have the check without having to wait for the check to finish. I don't know, how you want this to be accomplished. Either the check runs automatically or you have to run it manually. I think maybe he's looking for an option to *defer* fsck to the next boot. That is, fsck should accept a particular key stroke to cleanly stop the fsck, but leave the partition in a state where it will fsck on the next boot. I personally think this is a pretty good idea in general, though for me a disaster as I'd just defer fsck every time. OP could probably tweak the boot scripts to test this idea with a simple prompt as to whether to proceed with the fsck or defer it. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Winmodems are soundcards Was: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:57:58PM +0200, Misko wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 02:07:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: What modem? Winmodems aren't modems, they're sound boards with the wrong audio connector. I have read something like this many times. What am I interested in is if I can make my regular soundcard force to behave like modem? What I have in mind is to connect phone line instead of one of the speakers and use that to connect to ISP. this is surely do-able. The very first modems were essentially a speaker and a microphone that were connected to the telephone reciever by a couple of rubber cup-like things. I was trying to find some info but failed (perhaps I was looking at wrong places). Is there a kernel module available that can turn soundcard into modem? it wouldn't be a kernel module, but rather a simple program that would generate the right sounds over the sound card. In fact, in my old c-64 days that was exactly how we generated touchtone dialing. You simply instructed the sound system to generate the DTMF frequencies and they were sent over the phone lines. For use in a linux system, I would imagine your best bet is to have the program create the device node like a real modem would, capture the data from that and convert it to the appropriate sounds. You'd also want to emulate the at codes as well. It sounds a royal pain to me... better to just get a modem. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE install issues
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:04:06PM -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote: I am just going to stick with Ubuntu for now, Thank you all for your help. This was a pain in Ubuntu too, but it's set up how I want it, one question though; I have grub running off of the Debian OS if I format it, will my system not boot? How to fix this thank you. It depends on specifically how your grub is set up, and in particular, how it relates to your /boot partition. For specific help on this issue, you should provide us with details of your setup: how many disks; where the bootloader is installed; the layout of the partitions, especially /boot, etc. Likely, your best bet is to boot into ubuntu, re-run grob from there to make sure it all works, and then you can do what you want with the partitions used by debian. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linux doesn't like DVD+R disks?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:02:38AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/12/08 07:20, Bob Cox wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 21:11:15 -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm trying to burn an ISO to a dual-layer DVD+R disk, but these programs instantly error out. growisofs successfully burns the disk, but mplayer and vlc can't read them. Single-layer DVD-R disks work perfectly. Am I missing something simple? I know it is of no direct help to you, but I have successfully burned several DVD+R DL disks using K3b. It 'just worked' without any fiddling or anything. I also successfully use DVD-R single layer and DVD+RW single layer disks. k3b uses wodim, just like Brasero. When I insert a DVD-R SL, GNOME (really, whatever GNOME talks to) recognizes that a valid disk has been inserted, and takes the appropriate action. With DVD+R DL, nothing. The drive is a Pioneer DVR-115D and the disks I have been using are branded 'Zerodefex'. The disks are read fine by Kaffeine and Movie Player as well as a domestic standalone DVD player. Mine is an ASUS DRW-1814BLT, and the disks (both DVD-R SL and DVD+R DL) are Memorex. sorry, I've not read the thread, but this drive only supports up to 4x burning for DL, in case that helps. To answer your question, it seems Linux really does like DVD+R disks after all. I'm using a hand-rolled kernel. Maybe I need some option? Maybe the burner's firmware need upgrading? It's definitely worth booting into a stock kernel just in case. My memory of trying to burn DL disks is that it was spotty on this Sony drive. And everything I've read suggests that it can often be a combination of media and drive... try different brands of media. I know, that's not really helpful. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: iceweasel 3 in sid
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:49:41PM +0800, Deephay wrote: Greetings all, Recently the iceweasel browser in sid updated to 3.0-rc2, everything is OK except every time I was trying to launch the browser it will pop up a dialog saying Iceweasel is not currently your default browser... This never happened before the upgrade, and I do not have the problem on another box after the upgrade, I am using gnome. Does anybody know why? Thanks in advance. there's been some chatter about this on the web. Apparently they (mozilla) decided to turn on this feature by default. The feature has always been there, just not turned on by default, or something like that. I can't find a direct reference to it now... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Winmodems are soundcards Was: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:26:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/12/08 09:49, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:57:58PM +0200, Misko wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 02:07:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: What modem? Winmodems aren't modems, they're sound boards with the wrong audio connector. I have read something like this many times. What am I interested in is if I can make my regular soundcard force to behave like modem? What I have in mind is to connect phone line instead of one of the speakers and use that to connect to ISP. this is surely do-able. The very first modems were essentially a speaker and a microphone that were connected to the telephone reciever by a couple of rubber cup-like things. Ah, the good old, slow, usually large, acoustic modem. If your handset didn't match the design of the modem, you were stuck. The *only* benefit to them was that you could use them with a pay phone. especially after shorting the receiver to ground with a pop-tab... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Winmodems are soundcards Was: Laptop for College Bound Student?
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:26:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Ah, the good old, slow, usually large, acoustic modem. If your handset didn't match the design of the modem, you were stuck. The *only* benefit to them was that you could use them with a pay phone. especially after shorting the receiver to ground with a pop-tab... HA-HAA! (The young whipper-snappers don't have a clue what you're talking about.) -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE install issues
Louis Cunningham wrote: I'll try out vesa, and I have a ubuntu xorg.conf, but even when I put that in, it failed :\, i also don't have internet, so that puts anything but, well kde out of the picture for now, but i'll work on that later. so how can I go around using vesa? because nothing seems to working (that is other than my ubuntu os :)) Actually, you can take KDE out of the picture, but at the expense of being very minimalistic. Create a file in your home directory named .xinitrc and in it put the single line xterm. Now, next time you run startx, you'll get X with nothing more than a single xterm window. Typing exit in that window will shut down X. Manually edit your xorg.conf file, adding the following change to the specified section: Section Device IdentifierConfigured Video Device Driver vesa EndSection Create the .xinitrc file, and then run startx, and let us know what happens. -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:24:10AM -0700, David Fox wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money is tight, of course. If I were the student and there is a modest-priced laptop with Debian and OpenOffice I'd take it in a flash. I'm www.tuxtops.com is a place to start, and maybe this place http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html There's a dual core model starting at $799 special ends 6/15/08. I have the LC 2210S and it's great. I wiped Ubuntu and run 64bit sid on it. Works great, though I have occaisional issues with the wireless. I'm not sure how good my battery life is either, but I think that's partially the price of sid. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE install issues
Louis Cunningham wrote: I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on wifi, and I cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet. Right now, I can boot into KDE, with the gui, but apart from that there are no icons, and everytime I left click, I get a teale colored menu box. I know that I am doing something wrong, and would love help. Any other information needed I am glad to supply. It sounds like either you have an incomplete installation of KDE, or file/permissions corruption, or most-likely, video driver issues. I'd change my video driver to nv or to vesa, whichever gives the best results. You can do this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE install issues
Louis Cunningham wrote: Kent, Let me encourage you to keep the posts on the mailing list: 1) others can provide input (and you need their input, 'cause I'm pretty limited in my ability to help), 2) others can benefit from monitoring the conversation, and 3) the information thus gets archived and becomes searchable When I ran su dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it cuts out half way through the reconfigure, not allowing me to finish the reconfigure, and stopping me after keyboard, how can i fix that? I'm not sure what you mean by cuts out. Do you mean the program freezes, or terminates normally, or terminates abnormally, or what? You may have to do something like dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg; others might have better suggestions. (Original emails below) On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:29, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Louis Cunningham wrote: I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on wifi, and I cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet. Right now, I can boot into KDE, with the gui, but apart from that there are no icons, and everytime I left click, I get a teale colored menu box. I know that I am doing something wrong, and would love help. Any other information needed I am glad to supply. It sounds like either you have an incomplete installation of KDE, or file/permissions corruption, or most-likely, video driver issues. I'd change my video driver to nv or to vesa, whichever gives the best results. You can do this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE install issues
Louis Cunningham wrote: What happens is that the reconfigure will run, and then it will just stop abnormally. It is like the program is done, but it is not because I never get to set my screen or video card etc. This leaves my xorg.conf looking like this: # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section InputDevice IdentifierGeneric Keyboard Driverkbd OptionXkbRulesxorg OptionXkbModelpc104 OptionXkbLayoutus EndSection Section InputDevice IdentifierConfigured Mouse Drivermouse EndSection Section Device IdentifierConfigured Video Device EndSection Section Monitor IdentifierConfigured Monitor EndSection Section Screen IdentifierDefault Screen MonitorConfigured Monitor EndSection Which is obviously incomplete. I believe I'd try the -phigh option (see line above). If that doesn't work, I'd just start over with a new file by moving this one out of the way, and then running X -configure which will create a new xorg.conf file in your home directory (or in the directory you're currently in, I forget which). The output will tell you how to test it, or just go ahead and move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then startx or /etc/init.d/[x|k|w|g]dm restart to test it. -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intall etche on Windows Vista system with AMD64 processor
Ioannis Xydakis wrote: I am trying to install etche on a pc with an AMD64 processor that has already Windows Vista Premium (32bit) installed. I downloaded the ISO image of CD1 from Debian web site and wrote it to a CD as bootable. After i restart the pc an try to install it, it drops me to a DOS prompt and to disk A:\..!! I don't have any floppy disk on my pc. My questions are: Can i install Debian AMD64 with Windows Vista? If yes...how, or what i do wrong? That's really odd, and I cannot explain it. I think what I'd try is to boot into Vista and then browse to http://goodbye-microsoft.com and install Debian from there. This takes the CD out of the equation altogether. -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intall etche on Windows Vista system with AMD64 processor
Koh Choon Lin wrote: I think what I'd try is to boot into Vista and then browse to http://goodbye-microsoft.com and install Debian from there. This takes the CD out of the equation altogether. Is the web site an official Debian site? From the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_%28Debian%29) linked from the More details about it link: * *win32-loader* is a component of the Debian-Installer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian-Installer that runs on Windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows and has the ability to load the actual installer either from the network (as in the version used in goodbye-microsoft.com http://goodbye-microsoft.com/) or from CD-ROM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM media (as in the version included in lenny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases CD images). win32-loader was born as an independent project, for which only the network version was available. Later the code would go through a long review and polishing process to become part of the official Debian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian distribution. * It is my understanding that the site itself is not an official Debian site, but I've used this site two or three times; it merely loads a minimal boot-loader that then goes and grabs the installation files from official Debian sites to begin the actual installation. I suppose there's some risk that the boot-loader might be compromised, but the site's been up for at least a year, and I've never heard any negatives about it; I suspect that if it were a problem site, there would have been plenty of notice on the Debian boards. In addition, Debian Weekly News (http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2007/02/) mentions: *Debian-Installer Loader.* Robert Millan announced http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/01/msg01083.html the availability of a Debian-Installer Loader for win32. The program, inspired by Ubuntu's similar project https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe, features 64-bit CPU auto-detection, download of kernel and initrd netboot images, and chain-loading into Debian-Installer via grub4dos http://grub4dos.sf.net/. Graphical installations are supported http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/01/msg01092.html as well. The frontend site goodbye-microsoft.com http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ has been setup for advocacy purposes. -- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: moon-lander 1:1.0-3 goes zombie (debian etch)
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 12:22:56AM -0700, Brian Wells wrote: Welcome Brian. Installed the moon-lander 1:1.0-3 package (and its dependency package, moon-lander-data, same version) using aptitude, on debian etch. Every time the game ship lands, I hear Tranquility base here, the eagle... and then the program stops dead in its tracks. gdb shows the following error message: Couldn't load /usr/share/games/moon-lander/images/backgrounds/..: Unsupported image format [Thread -1218417744 (zombie) exited] Have you looked in that directory just to check out what's there? Assuming that all looks good, I would first try a re-install of moon-lander: aptitude reinstall moon-lander (I'm not familiar with using gdb, but was able to get that much.) Does anyone know if there's a workaround, or if and how a bug report should be filed? This is my first debian-user post. If the problem persists, the yes, you should file a bug report using the `reportbug` tool. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
