Re: post-install questions
Le 11.08.2013 23:53, François Patte a écrit : See attachment: auctex package is only a lisp package for emacs and texlive is absolutely not needed The dependency problem is only a packager craze! The easier solution I can see is to make an empty package with the name you want, and then use dpkg to install it. In few words, such a package can be made by creating a folder with the name of the final package (not sure that this naming stuff is required), say barfoo. Then, create the file barfoo/DEBIAN/control, and fill it with desired info, like this: == barfoo/DEBIAN/control __ Package: barfoo Version: X.Y.Z Section: whatever Priority: optional Architecture: all Maintainer: john doe j...@foobar.org Description: what do you think I am? == Next step is to do #dpkg-deb -b barfoo ./ dpkg -i barfoo.deb and this will create and install your package. Now, you have two solutions: make a package for auctex, with the dependencies you want, or make dumb packages for it's dependencies you do not want. Of course, it auctex really depends on them, you will only achieve to break it... but I think you guessed that :) PS: there are probably a lot of better ways to create debian packages. But, this one seems the easiest one for me. You can also add other files in DEBIAN, so that the package manager can manage other informations like hash of the files... you can have all the examples you want from the debian's packages you will find in /var/cache/apt/archive. You just need to extract files from the debs, with a usual archive manager or dpkg itself, I do not know if there is a real difference. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9380b47448767418db22733d5587a...@neutralite.org
Re: post-install questions
Message original Sujet: Re: post-install questions Date : Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:06:17 +0200 De :François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr Pour : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org Le 16/08/2013 14:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 11.08.2013 23:53, François Patte a écrit : See attachment: auctex package is only a lisp package for emacs and texlive is absolutely not needed The dependency problem is only a packager craze! The easier solution I can see is to make an empty package with the name you want, and then use dpkg to install it. In few words, such a package can be made by creating a folder with the name of the final package (not sure that this naming stuff is required), say barfoo. Then, create the file barfoo/DEBIAN/control, and fill it with desired info, like this: == barfoo/DEBIAN/control __ Package: barfoo Version: X.Y.Z Section: whatever Priority: optional Architecture: all Maintainer: john doe j...@foobar.org Description: what do you think I am? == Next step is to do #dpkg-deb -b barfoo ./ dpkg -i barfoo.deb and this will create and install your package. Now, you have two solutions: make a package for auctex, with the dependencies you want, or make dumb packages for it's dependencies you do not want. Of course, it auctex really depends on them, you will only achieve to break it... but I think you guessed that :) PS: there are probably a lot of better ways to create debian packages. But, this one seems the easiest one for me. You can also add other files in DEBIAN, so that the package manager can manage other informations like hash of the files... you can have all the examples you want from the debian's packages you will find in /var/cache/apt/archive. You just need to extract files from the debs, with a usual archive manager or dpkg itself, I do not know if there is a real difference. Thanks for the suggestion; I followed the command given by Andrew and it worked: dpkg --force-depends package.deb I don't understand the way packagers build the dependencies because I installed the same way another package, lyx, which strongly depends on texlive (or other TeX installation) because you cannot use it without latex. The first time I launched lyx, it found without any problem my texlive installation which is on /opt debian installation of texlive (2012, one year late...) is on /usr. Who can understand! Regards. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
Re: post-install questions
Hello, On 16/08/13 15:07, François Patte wrote: Message original Sujet:Re: post-install questions Date :Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:06:17 +0200 De : François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr Pour :berenger.mo...@neutralite.org Le 16/08/2013 14:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 11.08.2013 23:53, François Patte a écrit : See attachment: auctex package is only a lisp package for emacs and texlive is absolutely not needed The dependency problem is only a packager craze! The easier solution I can see is to make an empty package with the name you want, and then use dpkg to install it. In few words, such a package can be made by creating a folder with the name of the final package (not sure that this naming stuff is required), say barfoo. Then, create the file barfoo/DEBIAN/control, and fill it with desired info, like this: == barfoo/DEBIAN/control __ Package: barfoo Version: X.Y.Z Section: whatever Priority: optional Architecture: all Maintainer: john doe j...@foobar.org Description: what do you think I am? == Next step is to do #dpkg-deb -b barfoo ./ dpkg -i barfoo.deb and this will create and install your package. Now, you have two solutions: make a package for auctex, with the dependencies you want, or make dumb packages for it's dependencies you do not want. Of course, it auctex really depends on them, you will only achieve to break it... but I think you guessed that :) PS: there are probably a lot of better ways to create debian packages. But, this one seems the easiest one for me. You can also add other files in DEBIAN, so that the package manager can manage other informations like hash of the files... you can have all the examples you want from the debian's packages you will find in /var/cache/apt/archive. You just need to extract files from the debs, with a usual archive manager or dpkg itself, I do not know if there is a real difference. Thanks for the suggestion; I followed the command given by Andrew and it worked: dpkg --force-depends package.deb I don't understand the way packagers build the dependencies because I installed the same way another package, lyx, which strongly depends on texlive (or other TeX installation) because you cannot use it without latex. The first time I launched lyx, it found without any problem my texlive installation which is on /opt debian installation of texlive (2012, one year late...) is on /usr. 2012 is so far away ! Who can understand! I am afraid you mixed up package dependencies and package (default) configurations. Package dependency concerns dependency between piece of software, and their default configuration assume a working Debian set up. As you force your Debian box to work with a personalized set up, at one stage you have to configure your box to reflect your specific set up: for texlive, you may set up correctly the configuration file in /etc/texmf (mainly in /etc/texmf/texmf.d), and update accordingly. hth, Jerome Regards. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/520e28e0.7010...@rezozer.net
Re: post-install questions
Thanks for the suggestion; I followed the command given by Andrew and it worked: I read that message, and yes it should work, but I think that on the first update you will make with apt-get or aptitude, the system may say your software is broken. I never tried that command, so I can not be very affirmative about that... The first time I launched lyx, it found without any problem my texlive installation which is on /opt debian installation of texlive (2012, one year late...) is on /usr. Who can understand! Well, in my opinion, good softwares does not have a lot of hard-coded data (some are mandatory, but in a lot of softwares I know about there are hard-coded things which could be sent in configuration files). Now, I can see 2 ways to make a software working without any change in the situation you described: 1) you have /opt in your path, and lyx uses the path to find it's stuff 2) lyx have hard-coded stuff to locate it's dependencies in various places. I would tend to bet on the second, since I became pessimistic after having read few source codes of softwares which actually works... ( And, if you wonder why I do think that the 2nd approach is bad: what if the user's system uses a completely different approach for the folder scheme? He will need to change hard-coded things, and recompile. And if he only uses the standard way of his system, the software will make useless checks, while in the 1st way all of that things would be made automatically. Of course, there are drawbacks to automatisms too, like the need of a valid fallback and probably calls to non portable stuff. ) Anyway, it is able to manage that situation, which is definitely a good thing. I guess that tex related stuff have some nice quality standards, maybe because it's not used by average users and so face a lot of different situations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/137e902268261ed55f97bff1da102...@neutralite.org
Re: post-install questions
berenger.morel writes: The easier solution I can see is to make an empty package with the name you want, and then use dpkg to install it. The easy solution is to use aptitude's -R option. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9khbua7@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: post-install questions
Le 16.08.2013 16:10, John Hasler a écrit : berenger.morel writes: The easier solution I can see is to make an empty package with the name you want, and then use dpkg to install it. The easy solution is to use aptitude's -R option. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA Since my first action on a Debian I just installed is to disable permanently the installation of the recommended packages (and I save a lot of disk space and CPU like that, for features I would anyway not use), so I tend to forgot that they are installed by default. I was talking about the easier way to get rid of wrong dependencies, not to work around recommendations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/af40a866ceb6ccab38c1cbe093ce4...@neutralite.org
post-install questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I have just finished my debian installation and I have a few questions: 1- For some reason the root account was not activated (I, maybe, missed some step); so I activated it following the docs, but there are two problems: a) root can login through lightdm and access a graphical session! How to disable this? b) root umask is set to 077, which is problematic if you don't pay attention to this setting. 2- Is there a gnome-network-manager like program under xfce? I try to have an installation with a minimum number of gnome packages. I tried to install gnome-network-manager, but I got a full installation of gnome desktop which made a coup d'état and took power over xfce. I purged my system from gnome packages. 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. 4- I installed emacs24, and it returns a warning when it is launched from an xfce terminal: Gtk-WARNING **: gtk window parse geometry() called on a window with no visible children; the window should be set up before gtk window parse geometry() is called. What does this mean? Thank you. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlIHwKAACgkQdE6C2dhV2JXiZgCdEBNNsYD15S3UbMsq/J53/mkA bfwAn2DH0rF1HRSgp0PDAks/7RKwGfgK =4Xw5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5207c0a0.2040...@mi.parisdescartes.fr
Re: post-install questions
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT), François Patte wrote: I have just finished my debian installation and I have a few questions: 1- For some reason the root account was not activated (I, maybe, missed some step); so I activated it following the docs, but there are two problems: a) root can login through lightdm and access a graphical session! How to disable this? I don't use lightdm, so I don't know. Someone else will have to answer this question. b) root umask is set to 077, which is problematic if you don't pay attention to this setting. That's strange. That is not the Debian default. The Debian default for umask is 022. (See /etc/login.defs.) Perhaps pam_umask is overriding this? FTP servers have their own method for specifying the umask value. For example, vsftpd sets the local_umask value in /etc/vsftpd.conf for ftp client sessions. 2- Is there a gnome-network-manager like program under xfce? I try to have an installation with a minimum number of gnome packages. I tried to install gnome-network-manager, but I got a full installation of gnome desktop which made a coup d'état and took power over xfce. I purged my system from gnome packages. I don't use xfce, so I don't know. 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Maybe, but in general, you shouldn't. There are three levels of dependency. A package can DEPEND on another package, RECOMMEND another package, or SUGGEST another package. By default, aptitude, and I think apt-get as well, installs all packages that are dependencies or recommendations. You can suppress the installation of recommended packages with aptitude -R install package_name or apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name This may help. But if the extra packages are truly dependencies of the package you want to install, it probably won't work without the dependent packages, even if you can get it installed. 4- I installed emacs24, and it returns a warning when it is launched from an xfce terminal: Gtk-WARNING **: gtk window parse geometry() called on a window with no visible children; the window should be set up before gtk window parse geometry() is called. What does this mean? I don't use emacs and I know nothing about gtk. I hope others can help you with the questions I couldn't answer. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1723425972.2588008.1376245293270.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: post-install questions
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 02:21:33PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT), François Patte wrote: [...] 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Maybe, but in general, you shouldn't. There are three levels of dependency. A package can DEPEND on another package, RECOMMEND another package, or SUGGEST another package. By default, aptitude, and I think apt-get as well, installs all packages that are dependencies or recommendations. You can suppress the installation of recommended packages with aptitude -R install package_name or apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name This may help. But if the extra packages are truly dependencies of the package you want to install, it probably won't work without the dependent packages, even if you can get it installed. If it's possible for the package to work without its dependencies (because the package uses/expect paths that match your manually installed stuff) you can force install via dpkg dpkg --force-depends package.deb A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: post-install questions
On Sunday 11 August 2013 17:49:36 François Patte wrote: 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Have you tried installing texlive before auctex? apt-get might recognise it as fulfilling the dependencies. Otherwise you are probably stuck with what apt-get wants to do. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201308112148.36119.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: post-install questions
François Patte wrote: 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. Auctex does not depend on any Tex packages. It merely recommends them. Just use --no-install-recommends. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haevew8d@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: post-install questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 11/08/2013 20:21, Stephen Powell a écrit : On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT), François Patte wrote: I have just finished my debian installation and I have a few questions: 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Maybe, but in general, you shouldn't. There are three levels of dependency. A package can DEPEND on another package, RECOMMEND another package, or SUGGEST another package. By default, aptitude, and I think apt-get as well, installs all packages that are dependencies or recommendations. You can suppress the installation of recommended packages with aptitude -R install package_name or apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name This may help. But if the extra packages are truly dependencies of the package you want to install, it probably won't work without the dependent packages, even if you can get it installed. See attachment: auctex package is only a lisp package for emacs and texlive is absolutely not needed The dependency problem is only a packager craze! - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlIIB80ACgkQdE6C2dhV2JVlkQCgs4mhEo2mAdsVnFzbNwW7L8iM o9UAoMAqItn13kGpl/fQUjmVxZvAHwg6 =ulZx -END PGP SIGNATURE- drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/sbin/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root 3925 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/sbin/update-auctex-elisp drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/ -rw-r--r-- root/root152514 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/tex-ref.pdf.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 19456 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/history.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 5742 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/wininstall.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 9114 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/changes.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 3908 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-readme.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 12043 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-latex.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 4063 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-problems.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 2154 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/copying.texi -rw-r--r-- root/root 4570 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/todo.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 4627 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/quickstart.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root43 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/version.texi -rw-r--r-- root/root 3969 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/intro.texi -rw-r--r-- root/root 7457 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-dtxdoc.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 7002 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/tex-ref.tex.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 1644 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/macros.texi -rw-r--r-- root/root 2121 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-todo.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 5181 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/preview-faq.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 8142 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/fdl.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 8018 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/install.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 48594 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/auctex.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 2777 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/src/faq.texi.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 17365 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/preview-ChangeLog.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-12-02 18:48 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/auctex/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 7015 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/auctex/auctex_1.html -rw-r--r-- root/root 3669 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/auctex/auctex_fot.html -rw-r--r-- root/root 5891 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/auctex/auctex_abt.html -rw-r--r-- root/root 61571 2012-12-02 18:47 ./usr/share/doc/auctex/HTML/auctex/auctex_5.html -rw-r--r-- root/root 20723 2012-12-02
Re: Server install questions
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 01:23:49PM -0400, Tenant wrote: 2. What will be the partitioning scheme? Damn if I know. I'd appreciate thoughts on whether to use 32/64 bit versions, and are there any established partitioning schemes (I always uesed defaults) I think that the only apps that need 32-bit are desktop ones, but I don't know on the server side if, for example, you want to generate/serve flash or java content, what you need. Other than this, go with amd64. For partitioning, part of it depends on how you want to set things up. are you doing software raid1? Will you use LVM to allow resizing of partitions (even migrating to different devices online)? I use LVM over software raid1 and here's how I have it: 1. Grub can't read LVM so you need a /boot partition big enough to hold a couple of kernels. I was generous with 32 MB for /boot. This fs is directly on md0. md1 is used as the physical device for LVM which is then split up. 2. Since I separate everything else out, I went with a 480 MB /, of which I am using 182 MB. Between / and /boot, it comes to 512MB. On my bix box this is meaningless, on my smaller old boxes its important. 3. I have a /usr of 4GB and I'm using 1.8 GB. 4. I have a /var of 4 GB and I'm using 2.1 GB. 5. On my desktop I run an i386 chroot in /srv on its own 2 GB LV. 6. I have a /home of 10 GB. Keep things split up so that if something messes up a filesystem it doesn't necessarily bring down the box. Be especially careful to split up /var for your server needs. Ideally, keep the variable data you serve on a separate filesystem from the main system. Depending on what you use for backup, this may make life easier. Read the LVM HOWTO (in the doc-linux-howto packages) to see how easy it is to resize, move around, etc, the LVMs. Read the fhs that comes with the debian policy manual package to see how things can be split. If you will be adding third-party large packages, you may want an LV for /opt. You may need /srv. In any event, if you go with LVM, this doesn't have to be fixed in stone at install time. If you want to split something off onto its own filesystem, just create the new LV, put a filesystem on it, mount it somewhere, copy the stuff, unmount it, change fstab, change the name of the old directory (so you have it to test), and remount in the new spot. Test, then remove the old renamed directory. If a filesystem is too small, enlarge the LV, then grow the fs. All can be done on-line; schedule a reboot to ensure everything comes up OK before you forget what you did. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Server install questions
We just ordered a new 1U server that will operate in a Colo setup. The specs are: Xeon Yorkfield X3350, quad 2.67Ghz, 12M L2, 1333fsb Supermicro X7SBI socket 775 server board 4-Gig (2x 2G) DDR2-667 2x 750-Gig Seagate ES2 RAID Edition, 7200rpm on-board Intel ICH9R 4-port SATA-II Controller on-board Intel dual GB NICs 24-speed slim CD-ROM, no floppy Supermicro 1U SC813MT-300CB Rackmount Chassis 4x hot-swap SATA bays supermicro 300-watt power supply 1U Rail Kit We specified it be installed with Etch 4.0_r3 with software RAID for the two drives. So the vendor emails back, asking: 1. Do you want i386 or x86_64 Debian? 2. What will be the partitioning scheme? Damn if I know. I'd appreciate thoughts on whether to use 32/64 bit versions, and are there any established partitioning schemes (I always uesed defaults) Thanks
RE: Server install questions
32 vs 64 bit is a question that you really should answer. If you are using applications that are only 32 bit then be prepared for the changes if you go 64bit. If this is a general purpose type of server (MySQL, Apache, ect ) then I suggest you go 64bit. In my world (eg everything that I do) the 64bit MySQL works SOO much better then the 32bit version doing the same tasks. Some tasks you may not notice the difference in the slightest. I also have need of upwards of 8GB of memory so that obviously influenced my decision to go 64bit as well. As for the partitioning, I don't know what you are doing so I can't give you anything more then a few suggestions. I personally always set aside 10GB for /. I also set my swap space to be 2x the amount of memory or 5GB, whichever is the smallest. If the box is going to be using a lot of temporary files I will set a large /tmp partition if need be. If it is a web server, I usually give /var/www its own partition. I have a few applications that use /opt extensively so on those systems I give a 10GB /opt. The rest of the space always goes to /home. It really depends on what you are doing with the system. Probably not the definitive answer you wanted, but hopefully it helps ;-) Have fun with that server! From: Tenant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:24 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Server install questions We just ordered a new 1U server that will operate in a Colo setup. The specs are: Xeon Yorkfield X3350, quad 2.67Ghz, 12M L2, 1333fsb Supermicro X7SBI socket 775 server board 4-Gig (2x 2G) DDR2-667 2x 750-Gig Seagate ES2 RAID Edition, 7200rpm on-board Intel ICH9R 4-port SATA-II Controller on-board Intel dual GB NICs 24-speed slim CD-ROM, no floppy Supermicro 1U SC813MT-300CB Rackmount Chassis 4x hot-swap SATA bays supermicro 300-watt power supply 1U Rail Kit We specified it be installed with Etch 4.0_r3 with software RAID for the two drives. So the vendor emails back, asking: 1. Do you want i386 or x86_64 Debian? 2. What will be the partitioning scheme? Damn if I know. I'd appreciate thoughts on whether to use 32/64 bit versions, and are there any established partitioning schemes (I always uesed defaults) Thanks
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It's a general web server with LAMP - apache, php, mysql, many virtual web sites, running postfix and so on ... nothing exotic, no desktop environment or desktop apps. Since it's Colo, access via SSH only. It will have 4 GB memory, but there's room to go to 8 GB. I feel no real reason to go to 64 bit, but if there's no danger with doing so, then I wouldn't mind it. I guess I'm looking for problem areas. At 02:49 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: 32 vs 64 bit is a question that you really should answer. If you are using applications that are only 32 bit then be prepared for the changes if you go 64bit. If this is a general purpose type of server (MySQL, Apache, ect ) then I suggest you go 64bit. In my world (eg everything that I do) the 64bit MySQL works SOO much better then the 32bit version doing the same tasks. Some tasks you may not notice the difference in the slightest. I also have need of upwards of 8GB of memory so that obviously influenced my decision to go 64bit as well. In my experience, the installer gives you defaults for partitions and I always took the defaults with no problems ever. These days, with cheaper and larger drives, things may not be as tight as they were say 5-6 years ago. As for the partitioning, I don't know what you are doing so I can't give you anything more then a few suggestions. I personally always set aside 10GB for /. I also set my swap space to be 2x the amount of memory or 5GB, whichever is the smallest. If the box is going to be using a lot of temporary files I will set a large /tmp partition if need be. If it is a web server, I usually give /var/www its own partition. I have a few applications that use /opt extensively so on those systems I give a 10GB /opt. The rest of the space always goes to /home. It really depends on what you are doing with the system. thanks
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For a general web server, you shouldn't have any problems. As I mentioned before, I was having a hard time with a MySQL database that is being slammed pretty hard and the move to 64bit was a huge factor in helping relieve the system. It probably wouldn't hurt going with 64 bit just so you have the power when you need it but certainly don't stress about it. Take care and enjoy your new server! From: Tenant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:29 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Server install questions It's a general web server with LAMP - apache, php, mysql, many virtual web sites, running postfix and so on ... nothing exotic, no desktop environment or desktop apps. Since it's Colo, access via SSH only. It will have 4 GB memory, but there's room to go to 8 GB. I feel no real reason to go to 64 bit, but if there's no danger with doing so, then I wouldn't mind it. I guess I'm looking for problem areas. At 02:49 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: 32 vs 64 bit is a question that you really should answer. If you are using applications that are only 32 bit then be prepared for the changes if you go 64bit. If this is a general purpose type of server (MySQL, Apache, ect ) then I suggest you go 64bit. In my world (eg everything that I do) the 64bit MySQL works SOO much better then the 32bit version doing the same tasks. Some tasks you may not notice the difference in the slightest. I also have need of upwards of 8GB of memory so that obviously influenced my decision to go 64bit as well. In my experience, the installer gives you defaults for partitions and I always took the defaults with no problems ever. These days, with cheaper and larger drives, things may not be as tight as they were say 5-6 years ago. As for the partitioning, I don't know what you are doing so I can't give you anything more then a few suggestions. I personally always set aside 10GB for /. I also set my swap space to be 2x the amount of memory or 5GB, whichever is the smallest. If the box is going to be using a lot of temporary files I will set a large /tmp partition if need be. If it is a web server, I usually give /var/www its own partition. I have a few applications that use /opt extensively so on those systems I give a 10GB /opt. The rest of the space always goes to /home. It really depends on what you are doing with the system. thanks
debian install questions
what is the best way to make sure i get the infrastructure i need to support kmail? i read in the install notes that gnome and not kde is installed as the desktop, unless you use preseeding, for which the notes are so far rather opaque to me; nowhere for example does the section tell exactly how to enter the boot parameter (cheart code) which tells the installer where to find the preseeding file. thanks, tom arnall arcata -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, nowhere for example does the section tell exactly how to enter the boot parameter (cheart code) which tells the installer where to find the preseeding file. The boot parameter is the first question the installer asks when you boot from the installer of your choice. To install KDE for example, you should type: install tasks=standard, kde-desktop It is in the Release Notes of etch under heading of Desktop selection (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-installing.en.html). It might be a good idea to read the whole thing. d: The release notes can be extremely useful. Regards, Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all, I just got a new install of Debian 3.1 and want to set up Unreal Tournament 2k4 for use as a dedicated server. I have the DVD edition of it, and it seems to have no problem reading the files. On the DVD is a file named linux-installer.sh. I su to root and try to execute it when I get the following message: bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied I can execute other scripts on under both KDE and Gnome. Does anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? It auto-mounts the DVD under /media/cdrom0. Could it be a problem that it thinks its a CD-ROM drive and not a DVD drive? Thanks, -Mike Markiw
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:36:31 + Mike Markiw III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just got a new install of Debian 3.1 and want to set up Unreal Tournament 2k4 for use as a dedicated server. I have the DVD edition of it, and it seems to have no problem reading the files. On the DVD is a file named linux-installer.sh. I su to root and try to execute it when I get the following message: bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied I can execute other scripts on under both KDE and Gnome. Does anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? It auto-mounts the DVD under /media/cdrom0. Could it be a problem that it thinks its a CD-ROM drive and not a DVD drive? Thanks, -Mike Markiw mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 cd / /mnt/cdrom0/linux_installer.sh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 06:36:31PM +, Mike Markiw III wrote: On the DVD is a file named linux-installer.sh. I su to root and try to execute it when I get the following message: bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied Most likely, the script doesn't have the executable bit set, or the DVD is mounted 'noexec'. You have several options, e.g. * call the shell explicitly, i.e. type /bin/sh linux-installer.sh * copy linux-installer.sh to somewhere where you have write (and execute) permission and do a chmod +x linux-installer.sh. Then, cd back into the directory on the DVD where the original script resides, and call the other script (the one you copied) with absolute path from there... Cheers, Almut -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have installed Woody 2.4 some of the gnome control windows are oversized. I can't reach the control points to shrink them, stop them or execute them. All fonts seem abnormally large. Also, I don't know how to use SU to change from user to root in the gnome desktop. Arthur -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Arthur Schafer wrote: I have installed Woody 2.4 some of the gnome control windows are oversized. I can't reach the control points to shrink them, stop them or execute them. All fonts seem abnormally large. Sounds like your resolution is set too low. Try getting out of X and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and play with the resolution/color depth settings. Also, I don't know how to use SU to change from user to root in the gnome desktop. Just open up a terminal window and type su -. Better yet, use sudo; it offers several advantages from a safety/security standpoint. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 23:32 Subject: Re: heres my noob install questions, smart people please help I bow to experience guess I was just afraid. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 21:47 Subject: Re: heres my noob install questions, smart people please help In linux or windows I dont qualify as smart but I have some experience with this subject. I think you are under some misconception about whats happening. I had a windows system and a RH system on the same disk. The RH system auto mounted the windows at /mnt/windows so I had access to all of the windows files it was easy to transfer xxx to RH by cp xxx xxx. I was mostly using gimp on the RH but could not think of a way to transfer from RH to windows except via floppy. Consider the following when windows is mounted on the linux system it is just a file on a directory (mnt/windows) windows isnt running! Should you write a file to /mnt/windows there is nothing to check for free space, nothing to register the file as far as windows is concerned the file dosent exist but you have corrupted the system by overwriting files that it knows about. What would happen ? Who knows! All you have to do is mount linux on a windows part. and then you will have access to the linux files. GFL (not translated). Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:22:18AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: Consider the following when windows is mounted on the linux system it is just a file on a directory (mnt/windows) windows isnt running! Should you write a file to /mnt/windows there is nothing to check for free space, nothing to register the file as far as windows is concerned the file dosent exist but you have corrupted the system by overwriting files that it knows about. What would happen ? Who knows! Huh? Linux has a driver for the filesystem used by Windows. That driver checks for free space and ensures the integrity of the filesystem. As far as Windows is concerned the file most certainly does exist. If you're writing to NTFS, then I think you're on your own as write support in that filesystem driver is experimental, but that's a different matter. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:22, Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 21:47 Subject: Re: heres my noob install questions, smart people please help In linux or windows I dont qualify as smart but I have some experience with this subject. I think you are under some misconception about whats happening. I had a windows system and a RH system on the same disk. The RH system auto mounted the windows at /mnt/windows so I had access to all of the windows files it was easy to transfer xxx to RH by cp xxx xxx. I was mostly using gimp on the RH but could not think of a way to transfer from RH to windows except via floppy. Consider the following when windows is mounted on the linux system it is just a file on a directory (mnt/windows) windows isnt running! Should you write a file to /mnt/windows there is nothing to check for free space, Surely the Linux that you're running will check for free space if you write to a FAT32 partition? nothing to register the file as far as windows is concerned the file dosent exist but you have corrupted the system by overwriting files that it knows about. What would happen ? Who knows! Hmmm... I have a Lose98 partition on my box...maybe I'll just copy a couple of files to it and see what happens when I boot w98 again (Btw, DOS doesn't care if I do that.Nor is DOS nearly so paranoid about where it boots from.A far superior OS to Windows, is DOS 8) cr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:22:18AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: In linux or windows I dont qualify as smart but I have some experience with this subject. I think you are under some misconception about whats happening. I really don't think I'm the one with the misconception. I had a windows system and a RH system on the same disk. The RH system auto mounted the windows at /mnt/windows so I had access to all of the windows files it was easy to transfer xxx to RH by cp xxx xxx. I was mostly using gimp on the RH but could not think of a way to transfer from RH to windows except via floppy. It's very simple. Just copy the files into the appropriate subdirectories inside /mnt/windows. I did this routinely for years (before switching entirely to linux). See below. Consider the following when windows is mounted on the linux system it is just a file on a directory (mnt/windows) windows isnt running! Should you write a file to /mnt/windows there is nothing to check for free space, nothing to register the file as far as windows is concerned the file dosent exist but you have corrupted the system by overwriting files that it knows about. What would happen ? Who knows! Sorry to be heavy-handed, but this is simply completely wrong. If you mount a windows FAT partition under your linux system, linux looks at the existing (windows) filesystem on that partition and respects it fully. (You're certainly right that windows is not running.) When you have that partition mounted to, say /mnt/windows like your example, you can treat it like any other directory. All the existing windows files are plainly visible, etc. If you write a file in there somewhere, it goes _exacly_ where windows would expect to find it, within the framework of the filesystem. Reboot into windows, and you'll find the new file right where you put it. Along with all the old files right where you left them. This does *not* corrupt the filesystem or any such thing. I used to do this on a daily basis so I had read-write access to my MP3 collection from both Linux and Windows. Of course if you mount your windows partition under linux and start _deleting_ stuff, then when you reboot into windows the deleted stuff will be gone. No surprise there. All you have to do is mount linux on a windows part. and then you will have access to the linux files. Even in the event that there are drivers to let windows mount my ext2, ext3, or reiserFS partitions, there is NO WAY I'm going to trust that broken POS OS with that job. Of course, if your windows drives are formatted NTFS instead of FAT, that's a different story entirely. The linux drivers for NTFS are experimental and it's recommended to mount those drives read-only. Cheers! -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | Reporter: What do you think of western civilization? Please do not | Ghandi: I think it would be a good idea. reply off-list. | `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
heres my noob install questions, smart people please help
ok so i've been doing this linux desktop thing for about a year now, started with redhat, then went to mandrake, now i want to move on to debian, i'm still a noob so i've been reading up on the install instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install but before i got started i wanted to ask you all a few questions: 1) are these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install the best for a noob like me or are there some better ones out there somewhere? 2) i have 2 harddrives, hda and hdb, hda has win2000 on it, its divided into 3 fat32 partitions, hdb has an old install of mandrake on it, i want to put debian on hdb, is the filesystem manager on the install cds comprehensible enough to where i'll be able to format the partitions on hdb without messing up hda? all my important data is on hda, so if something happens to hda i'm screwed 3) i see that lilo is the default bootloader, i know that if i put the windows lines in lilo.conf and i run /sbin/lilo it should let me choose between booting into windows or linux when i restart, are there any hangups or problems i need to look out for? i have some experience editing the lilo.conf file with good success in mandrake... 4) once i get debian up and running, i want to set it up to where the second partition on hda, my win2000 fat32 drive, is mounted as my home directory as a user. in other words, i want one of my fat32 partitions mounted at /home/david/ after i create the david user account. can that be done? thanx in advance for the help. i'm really excited about debian. david -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Millet said on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:25:24PM -0700: 1) are these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install the best for a noob like me or are there some better ones out there somewhere? They are probably best. 2) i have 2 harddrives, hda and hdb, hda has win2000 on it, its divided into 3 fat32 partitions, hdb has an old install of mandrake on it, i want to put debian on hdb, is the filesystem manager on the install cds comprehensible enough to where i'll be able to format the partitions on hdb without messing up hda? all my important data is on hda, so if something happens to hda i'm screwed Then, if I were you, I would back up hda before doing anything. Mistakes can happen. That being said, you shouldn't have any trouble installing onto hdb; I have done it before. 3) i see that lilo is the default bootloader, i know that if i put the windows lines in lilo.conf and i run /sbin/lilo it should let me choose between booting into windows or linux when i restart, are there any hangups or problems i need to look out for? i have some experience editing the lilo.conf file with good success in mandrake... Nothing that I'm aware of; it's always worked well for me. You no longer need to make the 10MB /boot partition. 4) once i get debian up and running, i want to set it up to where the second partition on hda, my win2000 fat32 drive, is mounted as my home directory as a user. in other words, i want one of my fat32 partitions mounted at /home/david/ after i create the david user account. can that be done? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. The FAT filesystem semantics aren't the same as Unix, and it's not a very good filesystem anyway. I would leave your Unix homedir on a Unix filesystem, and mount the fat32 partition somewhere else. If, however, you wanted to do this, you could by putting /dev/hda2 /home/david vfatdefaults 0 0 in your /etc/fstab. thanx in advance for the help. i'm really excited about debian. Good luck. M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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hey thanx so much for your help, just one quick question Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. The FAT filesystem semantics aren't the same as Unix, and it's not a very good filesystem anyway. I would leave your Unix homedir on a Unix filesystem, and mount the fat32 partition somewhere else. i want to easily be able to share certain files between windoze and linux, for example .fla macromedia flash files, flash has issues under wine so i'd prefer to boot into windoze when i need to use flash and i thought it would be easiest to just mount that windoze logical drive as my /home/david drive, would you suggest something else? obviously i cant format that windows partition with a non-bill-gates-approved filesystem, so i guess i could mount it to /home/david/windozefiles or something like that. if i were to mount it to /home/david would linux corrupt the fat32 or something? david -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:32:33PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: David Millet said on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:25:24PM -0700: 4) once i get debian up and running, i want to set it up to where the second partition on hda, my win2000 fat32 drive, is mounted as my home directory as a user. in other words, i want one of my fat32 partitions mounted at /home/david/ after i create the david user account. can that be done? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. The FAT filesystem semantics aren't the same as Unix, and it's not a very good filesystem anyway. I would leave your Unix homedir on a Unix filesystem, and mount the fat32 partition somewhere else. If, however, you wanted to do this, you could by putting /dev/hda2 /home/david vfatdefaults 0 0 in your /etc/fstab. You may also run into some problems regarding permissions. Some applications specifically check the permissions on the user configuration data files and I'm not sure if these applications will work with the data files residing on a FAT32 partition. As Mark has suggested you'd be better off mounting the FAT32 partition elsewhere. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Millet wrote: 1) are these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install the best for a noob like me or are there some better ones out there somewhere? These instructions cover lots of different methods of installation and lots of different situations. As a result, they are vague in spots. It would be ideal if you could find instructions tailored to your hardware and your desires for what you want to do with the box, but you're not likely to find that. So I'd highly recommend you read these instructions, and then google for two or three other documents that cover Debian installation, just so you can compare concepts as one author leaves out some detail that another author includes. Even better, do an installation, use it for about thirty minutes, then wipe it and do it again. Repeat about three times. Then, if you can swing it, do the same thing on some different type of hardware, like a Macintosh or a Sparc. Nothing beats experience. 2) i have 2 harddrives, hda and hdb, hda has win2000 on it, its divided into 3 fat32 partitions, hdb has an old install of mandrake on it, i want to put debian on hdb, is the filesystem manager on the install cds comprehensible enough to where i'll be able to format the partitions on hdb without messing up hda? all my important data is on hda, so if something happens to hda i'm screwed If it's really important, make a backup first. Having said that, you won't have any trouble. Probably. 3) i see that lilo is the default bootloader, i know that if i put the windows lines in lilo.conf and i run /sbin/lilo it should let me choose between booting into windows or linux when i restart, are there any hangups or problems i need to look out for? i have some experience editing the lilo.conf file with good success in mandrake... It's been my experience that the installation program doesn't include Windows in lilo.conf (that may have changed in more recent versions). So you may have to add that back in manually after your reboot into Debian. Also, if you upgrade kernels (the default on a Woody install is 2.2.x I believe), you'll need to make the change in lilo.conf mentioned during the upgrade, about adding initrd=/initrd.img into the kernel stanza. (You can ignore the other tip for now, about editing kernel-img.conf - that's just for convenience on subsequent kernel upgrades.) I also believe that the default lilo.conf doesn't present you with the prompt/menu; you'll have to uncomment the appropriate lines and re-run lilo. 4) once i get debian up and running, i want to set it up to where the second partition on hda, my win2000 fat32 drive, is mounted as my home directory as a user. in other words, i want one of my fat32 partitions mounted at /home/david/ after i create the david user account. can that be done? It can be done, but I wouldn't. Instead, I'd create a directory something like /home/david/SharedWithWin and mount the partition there. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:56:44PM -0700, David Millet wrote: hey thanx so much for your help, just one quick question Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. The FAT filesystem semantics aren't the same as Unix, and it's not a very good filesystem anyway. I would leave your Unix homedir on a Unix filesystem, and mount the fat32 partition somewhere else. i want to easily be able to share certain files between windoze and linux, for example .fla macromedia flash files, flash has issues under wine so i'd prefer to boot into windoze when i need to use flash and i thought it would be easiest to just mount that windoze logical drive as my /home/david drive, would you suggest something else? obviously i cant format that windows partition with a non-bill-gates-approved filesystem, so i guess i could mount it to /home/david/windozefiles or something like that. I think the traditional (and likely easiest) way to share stuff back and forth is to just create a directory somewhere (like /mnt/windows, or /home/david/windozefiles if you prefer) to use as a mount-point for that fat32 partition. if i were to mount it to /home/david would linux corrupt the fat32 or something? No. But lots of programs save stuff to your home dir, and some of them will later check back to see if those files have the right permissions on them. fat32 doesn't _have_ permissions, so those programs may barf. It's just going to be less of a headache for you to leave /home/david on an appropriate linux filesystem, and mount your windows partition someplace else. Cheers! -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | Please do not | Bwahahaha-- I mean, oops. reply off-list. | `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: heres my noob install questions, smart people please help
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:25:24PM -0700, David Millet wrote: ok so i've been doing this linux desktop thing for about a year now, started with redhat, then went to mandrake, now i want to move on to debian, i'm still a noob so i've been reading up on the install instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install but before i got started i wanted to ask you all a few questions: 1) are these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install the best for a noob like me or are there some better ones out there somewhere? 2) i have 2 harddrives, hda and hdb, hda has win2000 on it, its divided into 3 fat32 partitions, hdb has an old install of mandrake on it, i want to put debian on hdb, is the filesystem manager on the install cds comprehensible enough to where i'll be able to format the partitions on hdb without messing up hda? all my important data is on hda, so if something happens to hda i'm screwed It has already been suggested that you back up /dev/hda , but if you don't have a means for doing that, you can keep your Windoze stuf safe by opening your computer box and disconnecting the power cable from the /dev/hda drive before you attempt the install on /deb/hdb (do this with the power OFF). In fact, I would recommend disconnecting the hda drive whenever you are doing major surgery on /dev/hdb . During the surgery, access to Windoze is not needed, so put that stuff in a condition where spilt blood won't damage it. After the patient recovers from the operation, you can give it access to the Windoze stuf. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this the list for install questions?
eauclair wrote: Is this the list for install questions? Those are fine here. debian-user is the miscellaneous and other list for debian issues. But there is a lot of discussion here so be prepared for lots and lots of messages about all topics. But please don't reply to an existing thread. Start a new message. When you reply to an existing thread your message will be lost inside of another discussion. Many fewer people will read it. Hi, I'm trying to install Debian. I am trying both 2.2 and 3.0. I'd rather have 3.0 working, so I will focus on that one. My advice is to stick to the 3.0 woody as the 2.2 potato version is very old. I have a Compaq 6024. When I boot off the 3.0 disk, all my hardware is detected - usb (uhci), NIC (eepro100), and CD-roms (DVD CDRW). Hmm... Debian does not autodetect anything. So when you say it is detected I have to wonder if you are really installing Debian. Because that simply does not make sense. When installing, I choose the kernel modules for the NIC (eepro100) and the USB core, uchi, and mass storage options. Okay, you choosing those modules makes sense. The modules you chose should end up in /etc/modules. When I reboot, none of those devices are detected. I can't access the cdrom or NIC, so I cant get any more packages. My sources.list is empty. During the 2nf half of the install, it actually says it cannot detect a cd-rom. :-( If you have a network running the easiest and probably best way to install Debian is over the network. Assuming that you are on a DHCP network are you telling the installer to configure your machine for DHCP? Does that work? If so then you should be in good shape. For choice of Debian install locations choose http and not cdrom. It will test that it can get the package list from the network and then do all of the installation from the network. You will have the latest versions this way with all of the security updates. I forgot to mention, I have to boot off the bf4.2 CD, then put in the regular Generic Boot CD. If I only boot off Generic, it does not let me pick USB as a kernel module to load. After it boots off the bf4.2, I have to put in the generic for it to be able to copy the modules, otherwise it complains it I dont have an installable module CD. The bf4.2 CD does not seem to be a stand alone CD. Okay, you have lost me again. Here is faq entry for which cd is which. As you can see none of the disks are labeled generic. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#bootable * binary-1: multiboot. This CD offers you a choice between all available kernels, so unless you happen to have one of the very few machines on which the multiboot feature does not work (typically very old systems or SCSI systems), you should boot from this CD. * binary-2: vanilla. A 2.2 kernel with many drivers for older hardware (such as ISA-based systems) and USB support. * binary-3: compact. A 2.2 kernel with PCI SCSI and IDE drivers. * binary-4: idepci. A one-size-fits-all 2.2 kernel which should work on most machines. This is also booted by default if you just press Return at the prompt of the multiboot (binary-1) CD. * binary-5: bf2.4. A 2.4 kernel with ext3 and ReiserFS support. You should choose this kernel if your hardware is recent, e.g. you are using a USB keyboard. So you could easily boot off of CD1 and select bf24 as the boot image. This is probably what 99.44% of people installing should be doing. Then install using http over the network and you should be fine. I am new to Debian, but I'm determined to make this work! Keep asking questions. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Is this the list for install questions?
Is this the list for install questions? Hi, I'm trying to install Debian. I am trying both 2.2 and 3.0. I'd rather have 3.0 working, so I will focus on that one. I have a Compaq 6024. When I boot off the 3.0 disk, all my hardware is detected - usb (uhci), NIC (eepro100), and CD-roms (DVD CDRW). When installing, I choose the kernel modules for the NIC (eepro100) and the USB core, uchi, and mass storage options. When I reboot, none of those devices are detected. I can't access the cdrom or NIC, so I cant get any more packages. My sources.list is empty. During the 2nf half of the install, it actually says it cannot detect a cd-rom. :-( I forgot to mention, I have to boot off the bf4.2 CD, then put in the regular Generic Boot CD. If I only boot off Generic, it does not let me pick USB as a kernel module to load. After it boots off the bf4.2, I have to put in the generic for it to be able to copy the modules, otherwise it complains it I dont have an installable module CD. The bf4.2 CD does not seem to be a stand alone CD. So I first boot off the bf4.2, then I put in the Generic boot CD to insall kernel modules, when I reboot, it can't find the CD drive(s) I have tried doing all this off my DVD (hdc) and my CRDW (hdd), they both end up stuck at the same point. I am new to Debian, but I'm determined to make this work! thx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a couple of install questions
hi, i have an old Acer 486 notebook computer that is currently using win95. i would like to start using debian but i didn't see it in your list of compatible computer types... is it still possible to install it? also my notebook isn't highspeed, but i have a computer that is, would there be any problems downloading to one computer and burning an install disk to use on another computer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a couple of install questions
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:18:55PM -0500, Meredith Richmond wrote: hi, i have an old Acer 486 notebook computer that is currently using win95. i would like to start using debian but i didn't see it in your list of compatible computer types... is it still possible to install it? well one way to find out :) seriously, it will almost certainly install, but you may find that you have trouble with stuff like X (which i don't know if you'd want to be running on a 486 anyways) and stuff like your sound card. also my notebook isn't highspeed, but i have a computer that is, would there be any problems downloading to one computer and burning an install disk to use on another computer? not at all, though if you can get network connectivity with the laptop you may find it faster to just boot from a 'compact' bootfloppy and install over the net. good luck sean msg15725/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fresh install questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 08:41:27PM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote: That's a tough one. Try putting the CD in? 8:o) - -- Baloo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9HUCMNtWkM9Ny9xURAngEAKCpp9nnvBNM3rBZKOY3J4S/vXOE5wCeOztK +Crxr0LmO7QUpaEXjZK53ts= =nePI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-Jun-2002 Paul Johnson wrote: Never attempt to send just before dropping of to sleep. ;-) On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 08:41:27PM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote: That's a tough one. Try putting the CD in? 8:o) I finally got a spare machine installed with Debian Potato stable 22rev6, and I'm coming from the RedHat world, so I've got a few questions. 1: I have a PCI 3com network card installed, but evidently not found, though when I do modprobe 3c59x it's mentioned in /var/log/messages. How do I go about getting recognized on every boot? 2: When I boot, I go directly into the X version of the login prompt. I knew on RH how to change this, but it's setup different than Debian. Where do I look to make the change(s)? 3: When I installed the 3 CD set, I got numerous errors in the process, but when I logged om after the install, I could not find the log file. Where should the log file be located? Thanks - -- Rodney D. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amateur: KG6ANXGMRS: WPOM592 ICQ# : 18002350Have A NORML Day AIM#: mailman452 Yahoo Chat: Mailman42_5 I'll be comfortable on the couch. Famous last words. -- Lenny Bruce -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Have A NORML Day iD4DBQE9HbDGRzSENXJW+i8RAikUAJ9/ggT+eg44iZ8uoiNUEbG8pkKb0gCY5IwS VQm3tFDGszLgyWkOpAjBkg== =pKd4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fresh install questions
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Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
Hi, I've been given the opportunity at my place of work (which is currently a Mandrake shop) to tout Debian. I was intending to use Woody, and have created the 8 CD's. I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. and question #2: Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to be able to provide a set of packages for it to pre install. Could I create my own task package or something? Is there a set of documentation for customising the installation at all? Any help would be appreciated, I'd really like to see Debian get up here. Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
On Friday 26 April 2002 12:17 am, Andrew Pollock wrote: Hi, I've been given the opportunity at my place of work (which is currently a Mandrake shop) to tout Debian. I was intending to use Woody, and have created the 8 CD's. I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. and question #2: Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to be able to provide a set of packages for it to pre install. Could I create my own task package or something? apropos the installation, do some research on apt-get and dpkg. once you get the gist, you will never favor any any other installation method. as far as port 25 is concerned, unless you're deliberately running an smtp server, port 25 ain't no issue. otherwise it's access is only vulnerable to the inherent flaws of whatever external smtp server you deliberately enable access to your network setup. as for your employer's reliance on mandrake's security, as far as i remember, mandrake's security is based on the user's arbitrary selection of menu choices described as minimal security, medium security, and maximum security. in the real world, none of these mean jack. straight up, your employer is seriously deluded about security if he recommends mandrake over redhat, and possibly certifiably incompetent if he thinks that debian belongs on his list. mandrake is the distro one recommends only to those who know absolutely goddamn nothing about linux, as a means of having them learn, at the least possible detrimental risk to their emotional welfare, what linux is about. it's toy linux. alternatively, if you're not willing to invest the time in learning how to secure port 25, along with a bunch of other ports, maybe linux is not the path you should take. maybe you'd be better off working with that other os where you don't get to assume responsibility for anything, at all, and where, when the shit hits, as it inevitably does, you can foist off the all too ubiquitous excuse of computer malfunction, rather than the real reason--operator handicap--as an excuse for why those you intended to serve aren't being serviced at this time. mandrake is the ideal desktop-user introduction to linux. it is definitely not the distribution that any seriously market-competitive enterprise should employ. do your own research and kick 'em in the ass. they obviously need it. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
#include hallo.h Andrew Pollock wrote on Fri Apr 26, 2002 um 05:17:28PM: Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on Release notes. With the stable release, you get kernel choice with the first CD. Otherwise, try CD#4 or CD#5. this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. Kernel 2.4 does it, but not many controllers. Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to google - search for FAI Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Das wahrlich arnoootische daran ist, das wahrscheinlich _alle_ Regulars diesem Thread absolut faziniert folgen, nur traut sich keiner was zu sagen, weil man die beiden ja offiziell im Killfile hat. Alexander Stielau in de.alt.arnooo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
begin Andrew Pollock quotation: I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Define what they meant by port 25 open. If you don't install an SMTP daemon of any kind, such as sendmail or exim, you won't have anything listening on that port, but open means different things in different contexts. Also, want nothing installed is irrational. If NOTHING is installed, you won't have any ports listening, because you'll have a blank hard drive. You can't say when I installed RedHat (or Mandrake or Debian etc.) I told it to install nothing. It's nonsensical. Either you're misremembering what was said, or the person saying it was very very confused. -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support: http://www.eiv.com | 1) There's more than one way to do it AIM: spmcmahonfedex, smcmahoneiv | 2) Somebody thinks your way is wrong pgpo5IhZ8qwcI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: begin Andrew Pollock quotation: I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Define what they meant by port 25 open. If you don't install an SMTP daemon of any kind, such as sendmail or exim, you won't have anything listening on that port, but open means different things in different contexts. Debian installs exim by default. i.e. it doesn't ask you if you'd like an SMTP server, it installs it. Sure, one of the very next things it asks you is how do you want exim configured, but I believe even if you choose the do nothing response, it leaves exim activated via inetd. Also, want nothing installed is irrational. If NOTHING is installed, you won't have any ports listening, because you'll have a blank hard drive. You can't say when I installed RedHat (or Mandrake or Debian etc.) I told it to install nothing. It's nonsensical. Okay, nothing vs minimalist, meaning you get a bare bones system with just the bare necessities, and anything beyond that you explicitly choose to install. Either you're misremembering what was said, or the person saying it was very very confused. Basically what was said about Red Hat's minimalist install was it included too much. Andrew -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support: http://www.eiv.com | 1) There's more than one way to do it AIM: spmcmahonfedex, smcmahoneiv | 2) Somebody thinks your way is wrong -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
install questions
I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks
RE: install questions
1. its alright, as far as i know.. 2. ncurse5-devel is the package for developing ncurse... you would probably need to install ncurse only.. i am not sure.. why not use make xconfig?? Kundan -Original Message- From: Dale Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:08 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: install questions I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install questions
I get an error2 message when I try to use make xconfig #KUNDAN KUMAR# [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. its alright, as far as i know.. 2. ncurse5-devel is the package for developing ncurse... you would probably need to install ncurse only.. i am not sure.. why not use make xconfig?? Kundan -Original Message- From: Dale Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:08 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: install questions I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are entitled to your actions...not the results --Bhagavad Gita
Re: install questions
Here's the error message I get with the make xconfig command: ake[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/scripts' wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 Error in startup script: invalid command name button while executing button .ref (file scripts/kconfig.tk line 51) make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are entitled to your actions...not the results --Bhagavad Gita
RE: install questions
Are you using su to run the xcnofig? If that is the case, try running xhost + inside the termianal. Then run su and do the kernel compilation... let's see if it works.. just a guess.. Kundan -Original Message- From: Dale Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: install questions Here's the error message I get with the make xconfig command: ake[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/scripts' wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 Error in startup script: invalid command name button while executing button .ref (file scripts/kconfig.tk line 51) make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are entitled to your actions...not the results --Bhagavad Gita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install questions
Hello, On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Dale Morris wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? You must add the user to the audio group by editing /etc/groups or type: adduser ernie audio greetz, Jo
Re: install questions-SOLVED
Got it working thanks for your help! I'm now using kernel 2.4!! #KUNDAN KUMAR# [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you using su to run the xcnofig? If that is the case, try running xhost + inside the termianal. Then run su and do the kernel compilation... let's see if it works.. just a guess.. Kundan -Original Message- From: Dale Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: install questions Here's the error message I get with the make xconfig command: ake[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/scripts' wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 Error in startup script: invalid command name button while executing button .ref (file scripts/kconfig.tk line 51) make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are entitled to your actions...not the results --Bhagavad Gita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are entitled to your actions...not the results --Bhagavad Gita
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:08:20AM -0800, Dale Morris wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? chmod 660 /dev/dsp adduser yourusername audio 2. If I try to compile the kernel I get errors when I type the commands make menuconfig and make xconfig. I have installed bin utils and also tryed it the way it's described in the debian faq with make-kpkg. The make menu config says I'm missing Ncurses, although I have installed the ncurse5-dev package. I'm probably missing a package here, but I'm not sure which one. are you sure you have libncurses5-dev installed? -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpwJZPSFnjsF.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:00:41AM -0800, Dale Morris wrote: Here's the error message I get with the make xconfig command: ake[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/scripts' wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 Error in startup script: invalid command name button while executing button .ref (file scripts/kconfig.tk line 51) make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 looks like your compiling the source as a different user then yourself, you can't do that if you want to use X config. don't compile the kernel as root, its not necessary nor desirable. (there is no reason to keep kernel source in /usr/src either, unless you have personal preference for it, in that case add yourself to group src and untar the kernel source as you and not root) -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpDy9xkyqbp3.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 06:05:03AM +0800, #KUNDAN KUMAR# wrote: Are you using su to run the xcnofig? If that is the case, try running xhost + inside the termianal. Then run su and do the kernel compilation... let's see if it works.. just a guess.. don't do that, that disables ALL X security and lets any bozo on your network or the internet to connect to and snoop your entire X session. never do that unless you are not connected to ANY NETWORK! in short xhost + is a HUGE SECURITY HOLE -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpr5yXOAgcpu.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Lo, on Monday, February 26, Ethan Benson did write: On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 06:05:03AM +0800, #KUNDAN KUMAR# wrote: Are you using su to run the xcnofig? If that is the case, try running xhost + inside the termianal. Then run su and do the kernel compilation... let's see if it works.. just a guess.. don't do that, that disables ALL X security and lets any bozo on your network or the internet to connect to and snoop your entire X session. never do that unless you are not connected to ANY NETWORK! in short xhost + is a HUGE SECURITY HOLE Absolutely. Two options which are much better: 1) xhost +foo where foo is your local hostname. Still not ideal, as this allows anyone who can log on to your machine full access to the X server, as Ethan described above. 2) xauth merge ~bar/.Xauthority where `bar' is the user who started X (or logged in at the *dm window). This is the best situation, as it only allows the user who runs xauth access. Richard
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 09:22:36PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote: Lo, on Monday, February 26, Ethan Benson did write: On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 06:05:03AM +0800, #KUNDAN KUMAR# wrote: Are you using su to run the xcnofig? If that is the case, try running xhost + inside the termianal. Then run su and do the kernel compilation... let's see if it works.. just a guess.. don't do that, that disables ALL X security and lets any bozo on your network or the internet to connect to and snoop your entire X session. never do that unless you are not connected to ANY NETWORK! in short xhost + is a HUGE SECURITY HOLE Absolutely. Two options which are much better: 1) xhost +foo where foo is your local hostname. Still not ideal, as this allows anyone who can log on to your machine full access to the X server, as Ethan described above. i consider this a bad idea. 2) xauth merge ~bar/.Xauthority where `bar' is the user who started X (or logged in at the *dm window). This is the best situation, as it only allows the user who runs xauth access. or simpler: ssh -l username -X localhost then ssh will forward the X stuff for you, no xauth or .Xauthority fiddling, and no leakage of your X keys. no muss no fuss. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpzskvqSGXJ3.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:08:20AM -0800, Dale Morris wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? chmod 660 /dev/dsp adduser yourusername audio I also had to do a chmod 666 to get /dev/cdrom working in my user directory. Is that acceptable from a security standpoint? (sound sure works good..) thanks dale
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:28:59PM -0800, Dale Morris wrote: Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:08:20AM -0800, Dale Morris wrote: I just did a fresh install of 2.2 by cd. Couple of questions: 1. I didn't have sound in my user directory, but had it as root. I did a chmod 666 /dev/dsp and it works but I'm not sure that's the proper permission. What's the right permission? chmod 660 /dev/dsp adduser yourusername audio I also had to do a chmod 666 to get /dev/cdrom working in my user directory. Is that acceptable from a security standpoint? (sound sure works good..) no. chmod 660 /dev/cdrom chgrp cdrom /dev/cdrom (or rather its target since its a symlink) adduser yourusername cdrom -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpYC7hhoe1Yz.pgp Description: PGP signature
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For your USB question, I've compiled a 2.2.18 kernel on my debian potato in order to use a USB mouse (and a internel trackpoint in the same time). First I can tell you that it works really good. I'm able to hot-plug and hot-unplug the mouse and that's a good point for a laptop. There's already USB support in the potato kernel but you need to modify a makefile to see it when you do make xconfig. I don't know if it works for a USB mouse (certainly) because I've figured out HowTo after switching to 2.2.18. For GPM the command is the following : gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2 Note that it's mice and not mouse because the kernel send all mouse events here so you can use simultaneously multiple mice on your USB tree. For X you can use gpm as a repeater (option -R) or configure /dev/input/mice as a imps2 mouse. For my XFree86 4.0.2 I use the following configuration: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 5 EndSection Christophe On 2001.01.04 01:40:04 +0100 David B. Small wrote: I haven't been able to find an install-help list. If I've sent this to the wrong list, I'll be happy to resend to a different one. I have a well-aged Dell Dimension with, among other things, a Promise UDMA-66 card and an old CDROM drive. I was given 3 CD's of the potato release, and I intended to install this alongside W98 (this disk is already partitioned). By moving the UDMA-66 drive to the onboard EIDE controler, I was able to install from CD's (though it took several hours, either because the CDROM drive gave Read errors, or becasue the CD's were bad...I suspect both.), use APT to change the kernel to one friendlier to my Promise controller, adjust LILO and /etc/vfstab, and get things to---sort-of---work. There were all sorts of s/w missing, that I'd have expected. I tried adding packages from Corel Linux, to fix this, which was a mistake. So, now I'm starting over. Here are my questions (in decreasing order of importance to me) 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it likely mine are bad. 2) Is it possible to install directly to the UDMA drive, on the promise. (Stated differently: can I make an install diskette using the kernel with IDE patches?) 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I installed? (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there recommendations? Eazel/Nautilus? Konqueror? Others? 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager? (or is apt-get/dpkg the only way to go?) 5) Is there a printer adder/control panel (a la Corel Linux's)? If it's not standard, is there one other folks can recommend? 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system? (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS) Thanks for any help folks can offer, --- David B. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I haven't been able to find an install-help list. If I've sent this to the wrong list, I'll be happy to resend to a different one. I have a well-aged Dell Dimension with, among other things, a Promise UDMA-66 card and an old CDROM drive. I was given 3 CD's of the potato release, and I intended to install this alongside W98 (this disk is already partitioned). By moving the UDMA-66 drive to the onboard EIDE controler, I was able to install from CD's (though it took several hours, either because the CDROM drive gave Read errors, or becasue the CD's were bad...I suspect both.), use APT to change the kernel to one friendlier to my Promise controller, adjust LILO and /etc/vfstab, and get things to---sort-of---work. There were all sorts of s/w missing, that I'd have expected. I tried adding packages from Corel Linux, to fix this, which was a mistake. So, now I'm starting over. Here are my questions (in decreasing order of importance to me) 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it likely mine are bad. 2) Is it possible to install directly to the UDMA drive, on the promise. (Stated differently: can I make an install diskette using the kernel with IDE patches?) 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I installed? (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there recommendations? Eazel/Nautilus? Konqueror? Others? 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager? (or is apt-get/dpkg the only way to go?) 5) Is there a printer adder/control panel (a la Corel Linux's)? If it's not standard, is there one other folks can recommend? 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system? (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS) Thanks for any help folks can offer, --- David B. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll try to help where I can :) To quote David B. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED], # 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it # likely mine are bad. I can't say for sure - I only used one CD, but it went flawlessly(after I figured out how to get through the install process ;). # 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I # installed? (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there # recommendations? Eazel/Nautilus? Konqueror? Others? Come to think of it, I don't think there is. However, I do have some suggestions. a) 'mc': Console app, very popular. b) 'gmc': GNOME version of 'mc', also fairly popular. Ageing technology, will be replaced by Nautilus as soon as is feasible. c) 'konqueror': KDE file manager, does HTML fairly well(I use it as my daily browser). Fairly stable, but not terribly feature-full as a file manager. Think Windows Explorer. d) 'dfm': Old, but still useful. Light on resources, uses X. I use it for desktop icons(when I need them). e) 'nautilus': Unstable and slow, but very very pretty. Will use Mozilla for HTML, with appropriate decrease in stability and decrease in speed. f) 'filerunner': 'mc'-like, uses X and Tcl/Tk(or just Tk, dunno for sure). I used this for a fair while. Powerful and easy to use. g) 'emelfm': Like 'filerunner', but more up-to-date, and uses GTK+ as its widget set. When don't use command-line tools, this is what I use. # 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager? (or is apt-get/dpkg # the only way to go?) More options: a) 'dselect': Old and difficult to use for most. b) 'console-apt': Also known as 'capt', relatively easy-to-use. I use this for the most part. Console based. c) 'gnome-apt': GNOME frontend to 'apt'. Not entirely bug-free, but useful nevertheless. d) 'stormpkg': GTK+/GNOME-based package manager. I find it very useful. Similar interface to console-apt. When I'm going to be working on package management for more than three minutes, this is what I use. # 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system? # (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS) I don't know for sure, but kernel 2.2.18 *does* have support for USB. Never had to use it myself, though. I imagine the hardest part would be to get X to use the right device/protocol. Hope I helped, Dave
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On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:40:04PM -0800, David B. Small wrote: I haven't been able to find an install-help list. If I've sent this to the wrong list, I'll be happy to resend to a different one. I have a well-aged Dell Dimension with, among other things, a Promise UDMA-66 card and an old CDROM drive. I was given 3 CD's of the potato release, and I intended to install this alongside W98 (this disk is already partitioned). By moving the UDMA-66 drive to the onboard EIDE controler, I was able to install from CD's (though it took several hours, either because the CDROM drive gave Read errors, or becasue the CD's were bad...I suspect both.), use APT to change the kernel to one friendlier to my Promise controller, adjust LILO and /etc/vfstab, and get things to---sort-of---work. There were all sorts of s/w missing, that I'd have expected. I tried adding packages from Corel Linux, to fix this, which was a mistake. So, now I'm starting over. Here are my questions (in decreasing order of importance to me) 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it likely mine are bad. I would expect that commercially-produced CD's are most likely good. If they were made with CD-R or (especially) CD-RW there might be some read problems. I just did a potato (2.2r2) installation from CD-R and had no problems. 2) Is it possible to install directly to the UDMA drive, on the promise. (Stated differently: can I make an install diskette using the kernel with IDE patches?) Yes. 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I installed? (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there recommendations? Eazel/Nautilus? Konqueror? Others? mc, gmc 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager? (or is apt-get/dpkg the only way to go?) dselect, aptitude 5) Is there a printer adder/control panel (a la Corel Linux's)? If it's not standard, is there one other folks can recommend? I use magicfilter + lprng. woody has printtool. 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system? (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS) kernel-2.2.18 has some USB support backported from 2.4. I don't know exactly what devices are supported. Bob
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Q1 It usually defaults to the user directory in /home...unless you changed it...then it will default to the last chaged directory Q2 Suggest you go to http://www.google.com and type in yamaha opl3sa linux and see what comes up Q3 See the LDP at the various mirror sites... Patrick Cheong Information Systems Assurance Measat Broadcast Network Systems E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at: http://www.astro.com.my -Original Message- From: Dale Morris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:17 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Newbie Install Questions I've used Linux (Redhat) for about 6 months and have just installed potato via ftp. I have some newbie questions I would appreciate some help with: 1.) If I download a file from the net, where does it go? Which directory, as netscape seems to automatically determine the target. 2.) Where's the *best* newbie info for installing my Yamaha opl3a sound card? 3.) What do I do to get printing? I installed lpr module in the kernel and installed aps filter, but when trying to print a test page, nothing happened. Again, any good sources for printer config info? thanks -- dale -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 07:16:45PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: I've used Linux (Redhat) for about 6 months and have just installed potato via ftp. I have some newbie questions I would appreciate some help with: Please set your mailer and/or editor to wrap lines at 72 characters. 1.) If I download a file from the net, where does it go? Which directory, as netscape seems to automatically determine the target. Depends on the method. If you download through Netscape, file defaults to the directory you've started Netscape in. If you launch Netscape from a windowmanager or desktop menu, this is usually your home directory. You can change this default in the download dialog. Using command-line tools (eg: ftp, wget), you can specify DL directory with the command. 2.) Where's the *best* newbie info for installing my Yamaha opl3a sound card? I'd start with Deja and the HOWTOs. 3.) What do I do to get printing? I installed lpr module in the kernel and installed aps filter, but when trying to print a test page, nothing happened. Again, any good sources for printer config info? You can install the RedHat printtool configurator, which tends to be pretty good at working things out. apt-get install printtool -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpuh4nCxObdD.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Please set your mailer and/or editor to wrap lines at 72 characters. Ok, that should work. I wouldn't have thought mutt would have allowed anything longer than 72 characters to go out.. I'll have to check the .muttrc file. You can install the RedHat printtool configurator, which tends to be pretty good at working things out. apt-get install printtool When I try to run this command output is debian:~# apt-get install printtool Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package printtool debian:~# does this mean I have to include a redhat url in my apt.sources file? thanks dale
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Dale Morris wrote: [...] If I download a file from the net, where does it go? [...] The best thing is to create a directory tree like the one on the ftp- server: /debian/dists/stable/main/... etc. You just need to build the paths that are important to you. Put the downloaded files along these paths and dselect will find the packages you want to install, automatically. apt-get might work similar, but I haven't used it yet. Andreas
Newbie Install Questions
I've used Linux (Redhat) for about 6 months and have just installed potato via ftp. I have some newbie questions I would appreciate some help with: 1.) If I download a file from the net, where does it go? Which directory, as netscape seems to automatically determine the target. 2.) Where's the *best* newbie info for installing my Yamaha opl3a sound card? 3.) What do I do to get printing? I installed lpr module in the kernel and installed aps filter, but when trying to print a test page, nothing happened. Again, any good sources for printer config info? thanks -- dale
newbie install questions
I'm currently running redhat 6.2 and have been using Linux for about 6 months. I have a cable modem and my system is an Athalon 600 w/128megs ram 15g hd 3com 905c-TX NIC In the past I've tried to install debian from CD and have been unable to get the 3c905x kernel module loaded. I figured I would wait until potato was released with the newer kernel, but now I'm wondering if there isn't an easier way, ie, ftp install. I downloaded the base image and saved it to a directory (/debian) and also made a disk with the rescue image. What I want to do here is use the newer kernel I already have for redhat 6.2 with debian. That way, I shouldn't have any NIC problems and can go ahead with an ftp install. But I get a little confused at this point and rtfm isn't really making it clear for me. Can anyone direct me to some sort of bonehead install instructions or maybe give me a step by step scenario of what I should do? I have ordered a book from amazon, debian for dummies that should address my level of expertise but it's not been released yet.. Thanks in advance dale Even a positive thing casts a shadowits unique excellence is at the same time it's tragic flaw. --William Irwin Thompson
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you will need 5 disks, download rescue.bin root.bin and drivers 1 - 3 .bin put them on a disk however you wish, boot from rescue and get you drivers/modules etc loaded and then do an ftp install, thats about all the help i can give right now, you will need at least those disks though At 23:02 23/07/00 -0700, Dale Morris wrote: I'm currently running redhat 6.2 and have been using Linux for about 6 months. I have a cable modem and my system is an Athalon 600 w/128megs ram 15g hd 3com 905c-TX NIC In the past I've tried to install debian from CD and have been unable to get the 3c905x kernel module loaded. I figured I would wait until potato was released with the newer kernel, but now I'm wondering if there isn't an easier way, ie, ftp install. I downloaded the base image and saved it to a directory (/debian) and also made a disk with the rescue image. What I want to do here is use the newer kernel I already have for redhat 6.2 with debian. That way, I shouldn't have any NIC problems and can go ahead with an ftp install. But I get a little confused at this point and rtfm isn't really making it clear for me. Can anyone direct me to some sort of bonehead install instructions or maybe give me a step by step scenario of what I should do? I have ordered a book from amazon, debian for dummies that should address my level of expertise but it's not been released yet.. Thanks in advance dale Even a positive thing casts a shadowits unique excellence is at the same time it's tragic flaw. --William Irwin Thompson -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=- -=| Daniel Free Earthlight Communications LTD|=- -=| [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ#15707938 |=- -=| Cellular # 021 258 3389 HTTP://quake.earthlight.co.nz/ |=- -=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-=|=-
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I just installed potato successfully from the FTP site. Here is what I did. 1 made floppy images of root.bin the driver floppies the boot floppy I booted off, you guessed it, the boot floppy, which asked me to load the root floppy and the drivers. I simply followed directions. I partitioned the disk, creating the / partition as well as others that I like to have seprartely. I installed the kernel, etc. I configured the network. That is, I chose the driver for my ethernet card. Now, I believe I have the same card as you. You are correct that there is no module that says 905c. However, there is one with a TX extension (I think it was the 509c card.) At any rate, I simpy went through the list of 3com cards until one installed correctly. I then installed the base system from the ftp site. When you install the base system, one of the option is to do that. The boot system even knows the correct addresses. After that it was straight forward. -- Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
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Thanks Art. One other question just came to mind, my cable connection is dhcp. Does the install differentiate between dynamic and static connections? I might just have to get a static ip address.. thanks dale On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Art Edwards wrote: I just installed potato successfully from the FTP site. Here is what I did. 1 made floppy images of root.bin the driver floppies the boot floppy I booted off, you guessed it, the boot floppy, which asked me to load the root floppy and the drivers. I simply followed directions. I partitioned the disk, creating the / partition as well as others that I like to have seprartely. I installed the kernel, etc. I configured the network. That is, I chose the driver for my ethernet card. Now, I believe I have the same card as you. You are correct that there is no module that says 905c. However, there is one with a TX extension (I think it was the 509c card.) At any rate, I simpy went through the list of 3com cards until one installed correctly. I then installed the base system from the ftp site. When you install the base system, one of the option is to do that. The boot system even knows the correct addresses. After that it was straight forward. Even a positive thing casts a shadowits unique excellence is at the same time it's tragic flaw. --William Irwin Thompson
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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:32:45AM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: Thanks Art. One other question just came to mind, my cable connection is dhcp. Does the install differentiate between dynamic and static connections? I might just have to get a static ip address.. The Potato installer differentiates between static and dynamic connections, but it supports both. The slink installer doesn't know anything about DHCP, though you can normally get around this by getting an IP allocated in Windows and then claiming this is your static IP for the purposes of the installer. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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Hi Ron, Local packages are exactly that. If you create your own Packages.gz file and .deb files and keep them locally (usually developers do this) then you can determine where the local packages are kept in this step. I'm not sure exactly where your configuration isn't working in the Install step, especially since you get an instant error message. Make sure you selected the multi_cd option in the Access step and you have the Binary #2 CD-ROM in the drive. I assume the CD-ROM is working: Did you boot from CD-ROM or floppy? Keep asking questions, we'll keep trying to help! On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Ron Stordahl wrote: Nathan Duehr replied: Ron, Due to various laws and licenses, the non-free and non-US packages and directories are not on the CD-ROM's, for good reason. Answer none for the non-free and non-US stuff, finish installing your packages selected, then change your Access method to APT go online and do an Update to get the non-US and non-free packages listed in your Select list. Thus I answered 'none' to the question regarding the non-free and non-US packges only to be confronted with the same question regarding '_local_ Packages.cd' file. Moving forward I have also answered 'none' to this although unlike non-free and non-US it would seem that I have no good reason to so answer.. but here goes. Having done that and selecting [ I ] for install I immediately get 'installation script returned error exit status 1' Then press RETURN to continue which returns me to the 'dselect' package handling frontend. At this point I would guess the install has basically failed, so there is no point in not trying CD 1 starting with [U] for update: I did that and it immediately failed with 'installation script returned error exit status 1'. So it looks like my install is dead! Can it be this difficult? Ron +---++ | Nate Duehr - [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Support Amateur Radio Linux! | | Private Pilot, Telephony Engineer | Ham Callsign: N0NTZ | | UNIX Hack, Perl Hack, Tech-Freak | Grid Square: DM79 | | | May the Source be with you. | +---++ | HamRadio and Linux mailing lists available for interested parties: | |http://www.natetech.com/mailman/listinfo| ++
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Sorry for so many messages. Too much coffee makes me too quick to hit SEND! Does the Update step work correctly? (Do you see the CD-ROM light up and does the system respond appropriately that the available packages have been updated? On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Ron Stordahl wrote: Nathan Duehr replied: Ron, Due to various laws and licenses, the non-free and non-US packages and directories are not on the CD-ROM's, for good reason. Answer none for the non-free and non-US stuff, finish installing your packages selected, then change your Access method to APT go online and do an Update to get the non-US and non-free packages listed in your Select list. Thus I answered 'none' to the question regarding the non-free and non-US packges only to be confronted with the same question regarding '_local_ Packages.cd' file. Moving forward I have also answered 'none' to this although unlike non-free and non-US it would seem that I have no good reason to so answer.. but here goes. Having done that and selecting [ I ] for install I immediately get 'installation script returned error exit status 1' Then press RETURN to continue which returns me to the 'dselect' package handling frontend. At this point I would guess the install has basically failed, so there is no point in not trying CD 1 starting with [U] for update: I did that and it immediately failed with 'installation script returned error exit status 1'. So it looks like my install is dead! Can it be this difficult? Ron +---++ | Nate Duehr - [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Support Amateur Radio Linux! | | Private Pilot, Telephony Engineer | Ham Callsign: N0NTZ | | UNIX Hack, Perl Hack, Tech-Freak | Grid Square: DM79 | | | May the Source be with you. | +---++ | HamRadio and Linux mailing lists available for interested parties: | |http://www.natetech.com/mailman/listinfo| ++
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I am trying to do a fresh install of Debian 2.1r2 using the 4 disk set. I am following 'Installing Debian GNU/Linix For Intal x86' as well as dselect Documentation for Beginners. After about a half a dozen unsuccessful installs I am now going to do this step by step, not proceeding when I receive error messages or am faced with questions for which I do not know the answer. Here is where I am now: I have successfuly reached 7.23 (see the first mentioned reference) Select and Install Profiles. There I selected Work_std (for standard workstation). At that point I was told to skip the [S] step, since the selection of packages was made by virtue of selecting Work_std, and rather I should just use A, U and go to I afterward. The second document refered to above describes the multi_cd method and advises that I should begin with the second binary CD, i.e. CD 2 and I have done so. Immediatly I am told: I can't find the non-free 'Packages.cd' file. The information in the 'Packages.cd' file is important. finally leading to the point at which I am stopped: 'Where is the _non-fee_ 'Pacakges.cd' file (if none is available, say 'none') [ ] ? If I answer none to this I will be beginning the path which I took the previous half a dozen times and make no forward progress. So what is the correct answer to this question? And how could I be expected to know the answer in the first place. Keep in mind that I have the full 4 disc set, I have read the documentation noted above and have no idea of what the correct answer should be. Thanks Ron
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Ron, Due to various laws and licenses, the non-free and non-US packages and directories are not on the CD-ROM's, for good reason. Answer none for the non-free and non-US stuff, finish installing your packages selected, then change your Access method to APT go online and do an Update to get the non-US and non-free packages listed in your Select list. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Ron Stordahl wrote: I am trying to do a fresh install of Debian 2.1r2 using the 4 disk set. I am following 'Installing Debian GNU/Linix For Intal x86' as well as dselect Documentation for Beginners. After about a half a dozen unsuccessful installs I am now going to do this step by step, not proceeding when I receive error messages or am faced with questions for which I do not know the answer. Here is where I am now: I have successfuly reached 7.23 (see the first mentioned reference) Select and Install Profiles. There I selected Work_std (for standard workstation). At that point I was told to skip the [S] step, since the selection of packages was made by virtue of selecting Work_std, and rather I should just use A, U and go to I afterward. The second document refered to above describes the multi_cd method and advises that I should begin with the second binary CD, i.e. CD 2 and I have done so. Immediatly I am told: I can't find the non-free 'Packages.cd' file. The information in the 'Packages.cd' file is important. finally leading to the point at which I am stopped: 'Where is the _non-fee_ 'Pacakges.cd' file (if none is available, say 'none') [ ] ? If I answer none to this I will be beginning the path which I took the previous half a dozen times and make no forward progress. So what is the correct answer to this question? And how could I be expected to know the answer in the first place. Keep in mind that I have the full 4 disc set, I have read the documentation noted above and have no idea of what the correct answer should be. Thanks Ron -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null +---++ | Nate Duehr - [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Support Amateur Radio Linux! | | Private Pilot, Telephony Engineer | Ham Callsign: N0NTZ | | UNIX Hack, Perl Hack, Tech-Freak | Grid Square: DM79 | | | May the Source be with you. | +---++ | HamRadio and Linux mailing lists available for interested parties: | |http://www.natetech.com/mailman/listinfo| ++
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Nathan Duehr replied: Ron, Due to various laws and licenses, the non-free and non-US packages and directories are not on the CD-ROM's, for good reason. Answer none for the non-free and non-US stuff, finish installing your packages selected, then change your Access method to APT go online and do an Update to get the non-US and non-free packages listed in your Select list. Thus I answered 'none' to the question regarding the non-free and non-US packges only to be confronted with the same question regarding '_local_ Packages.cd' file. Moving forward I have also answered 'none' to this although unlike non-free and non-US it would seem that I have no good reason to so answer.. but here goes. Having done that and selecting [ I ] for install I immediately get 'installation script returned error exit status 1' Then press RETURN to continue which returns me to the 'dselect' package handling frontend. At this point I would guess the install has basically failed, so there is no point in not trying CD 1 starting with [U] for update: I did that and it immediately failed with 'installation script returned error exit status 1'. So it looks like my install is dead! Can it be this difficult? Ron
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On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 04:06:02AM -0500, Joakim Svensson wrote This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by Joakim Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi debian users, I am a very new user of Linux. I do have some 10+ year users experience with different unixes though so It feels pretty good. I am awaiting a new high spec pc and while waiting I picked up an old used P75 with 32M and 1G hd. Without almost any knowledge about the hardware (used borrowed 14 monitor) I installed slink and slack 4.0 without any real problems. I installed slink from a cd set and it worked pretty well. So now I have some things I do wonder about. First. On my new system I plan to set up a pretty much complete slink and I also will setup a potato wich I would like to have very configured. Slink will be no problems I think but I could need some advice on what tactics to use when installing potato. I want to have a system (potato) that ofcourse have all the basic stuff but I don't want to have 10 different text editors (if I can avoid it) I really don't want emacs (sorry all emacs users, vi rules *smile*) I don't want all the games etc etc. So how will I acomplish this ? Should I install some very very basic task or profile and then add on using ftp ? Should I install a somewhat more complete system and then remove things I don't need and build from that ? Any other ideas ? Also could anyone update me on the use of dselect versus apt and dpkg ? I think I read something like Is anyone really using dselect anymore? a while ago and would really like to know the current usability. I haven't installed Potato myself, but I'll assume that it's not entirely unlike slink (as seems to be the case from your message). I always select the 'basic' system profile, and then use dselect to add the extra packages I want. There's no problem doing this that I can see; choosing a profile simply pre-selects a bunch of packages, that you can then fine-tune using dselect. Dselect is just a front end for dpkg, and has the virtue of listing *everything* available for installation. It's not fast and it's not particularly pretty, but a new user who reads the help should make it out alive. It has the great advantage of ensuring that dependencies will be met. It can *only* be used with suites of packages that are accessible through one of dselect's access methods, and you can only use one access method at a time. The speed with which dselect does the back-end work has a lot to do with the access method you use - multi-cd and apt seem to be the best. Apt is really cute and is what I'd use every time for installing regular packages. It's very flexible in terms of where packages come from and handles dependencies well, but you do have to set it up (not exactly difficult), and it relies on the package management system working correctly (e.g., if you have unmet dependencies you have to use '-f' or fix things with dpkg first). Underneath it all, it is still just a front end to dpkg. Apt is what I'd normally use to add or remove 'regular' packages on an existing system. Dpkg does all the work whatever front end you use, and may be required to fix dependency problems. If you've downloaded or built a single .deb, dpkg -i some*.deb is quick and easy, and won't louse up other stuff for you. In summary, I'd use dselect when first installing the system, apt for regular maintenance, and dpkg for when I can't be bothered configuring and running apt to install or remove a single package. John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh - I - you know - my job is to fear everything. - Bill Gates in Denmark
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This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by Joakim Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi debian users, I am a very new user of Linux. I do have some 10+ year users experience with different unixes though so It feels pretty good. I am awaiting a new high spec pc and while waiting I picked up an old used P75 with 32M and 1G hd. Without almost any knowledge about the hardware (used borrowed 14 monitor) I installed slink and slack 4.0 without any real problems. I installed slink from a cd set and it worked pretty well. So now I have some things I do wonder about. First. On my new system I plan to set up a pretty much complete slink and I also will setup a potato wich I would like to have very configured. Slink will be no problems I think but I could need some advice on what tactics to use when installing potato. I want to have a system (potato) that ofcourse have all the basic stuff but I don't want to have 10 different text editors (if I can avoid it) I really don't want emacs (sorry all emacs users, vi rules *smile*) I don't want all the games etc etc. So how will I acomplish this ? Should I install some very very basic task or profile and then add on using ftp ? Should I install a somewhat more complete system and then remove things I don't need and build from that ? Any other ideas ? Also could anyone update me on the use of dselect versus apt and dpkg ? I think I read something like Is anyone really using dselect anymore? a while ago and would really like to know the current usability. Thanks in advance for any ideas/hints/further readings/ etc Best regards JS Geocrawler.com - The Knowledge Archive
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I know repartitioning with fdisk/cfdisk is destructive. Is ADDING a partition destructive? I have a 10 gig drive: 4gb(Win), 2gb(RH) and the rest unpartitioned. It seems that partitioning the remaining space wouldn't hurt the existing partitions but I'm not sure. (came so close to trying it anyway ;) ) Also, In the past I have created separate partitions for /home, ,/usr, /, and swap. I read somewhere in the documentation that gziped programs should be installed in /usr/local. This leads me to believe that .deb packages are installed in /usr. True? If so, would I benefit by creating both /usr and a /usr/local partitions? What are you guys/gals doing? Thanks. -Dan
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Use FIPS (on the CD or the FTP site in /tools or utilities or somesuch). It does exactly what you're looking for -- but READ THE DOCS CAREFULLY. == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
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Dan Furtney wrote: I know repartitioning with fdisk/cfdisk is destructive. Is ADDING a partition destructive? I have a 10 gig drive: 4gb(Win), 2gb(RH) and the rest unpartitioned. It seems that partitioning the remaining space wouldn't hurt the existing partitions but I'm not sure. (came so close to trying it anyway ;) ) Also, In the past I have created separate partitions for /home, ,/usr, /, and swap. I read somewhere in the documentation that gziped programs should be installed in /usr/local. This leads me to believe that .deb packages are installed in /usr. True? If so, would I benefit by creating both /usr and a /usr/local partitions? What are you guys/gals doing? Thanks. -Dan You can add a partition with fdisk or cfdisk without any data loss in your old partitions (it is the way I installed my system), but be careful, you can easily destroy your data. The only partitions required to install a Linux system are the swap partition and the root partition (/). Any others partitions are optional. For example, if your system is a personal home computer, you could create only these two partitions. Now if your system will be used by many users, it's may be better to add a partition for the /home directory. Look inside the Debian installation guide for more info: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/install.html But may be have you not fully understood the way partitions are working under Linux (totally different of windows). In this case, read the chapter 13 of Debian tutorial, for a very good intro on file system and partitioning. http://www.debian.org/~hp/tutorial/debian-tutorial.html/index.html -Florian
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Jaakko Niemi wrote: I tried to send this about 5 minutes ago and my system locked up... If it made it, sorry for the duplication *** Hello there, I just setup my linux system last night and finished the generic install. I have a few questions on things that didn't work as I expected. I hope this is the right place to ask. Ok, my system is a pent 166 w/32MB RAM and two hard drives I found laying around (1.6GB, 2.0GB). I created a root partition of 60MB, /usr of 1000MB /var 360MB /home 1915MB I hope this is about correct. Anyways, My two questions / problems are: #1 I was not able to install my CD drive. I have a Wearnes 8X CD drive (IDE connection and a cheap sound card.) I found one selection on the driver disk for Wearnes and some other drives, but it failed on installation. I did not type in any parameters because I didn't know what it wanted. You don't need any special drivers for IDE cd-roms. If you have the cd in the sound-cards ide-channel, it's propably more easy to move it to either primary or secondary channel. Then just point the installation to cd, just like hard disk .. /dev/hdc for master on secondary and so on... --j Thanks for the tip. I ordered the CD a couple of weeks ago, but it has not arrived yet. I went ahead and downloaded the stuff from the FTP sites. I have noticed that the LED on the CD is on alot of the time. I'm not sure if this is a problem. Can I read non-linux CD's just to test its operation? If so, how would I go about verifying the CD operation? Thanks for your help! Doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for the tip. I ordered the CD a couple of weeks ago, but it has not arrived yet. I went ahead and downloaded the stuff from the FTP sites. I have noticed that the LED on the CD is on alot of the time. I'm not sure if this is a problem. Can I read non-linux CD's just to test its operation? If so, how would I go about verifying the CD operation? assuming you have one hdd, and it's a dos formatted disk: mount -t msdos /dev/hdb /mnt cd /mnt ls HTH, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward-elect of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote: You don't need any special drivers for IDE cd-roms. If you have the cd in the sound-cards ide-channel, it's propably more easy to move it to either primary or secondary channel. Then just point the installation to cd, just like hard disk .. /dev/hdc for master on secondary and so on... --j Thanks for the tip. I ordered the CD a couple of weeks ago, but it has not arrived yet. I went ahead and downloaded the stuff from the FTP sites. I have noticed that the LED on the CD is on alot of the time. I'm not sure if this is a problem. This is typical of many CD-ROM drives. Can I read non-linux CD's just to test its operation? If so, how would I go about verifying the CD operation? Yes, most use the iso9660 file system. Assuming you connected to the master channel of the secondary controller, try (as root): mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt Then 'ls -al /mnt' should give you a directory listing of the CD, etc. Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello there, I just setup my linux system last night and finished the generic install. I have a few questions on things that didn't work as I expected. I hope this is the right place to ask. Ok, my system is a pent 166 w/32MB RAM and two hard drives I found laying around (1.6GB, 2.0GB). I created a root partition of 60MB, /usr of 1000MB /var 360MB /home 1915MB I hope this is about correct. Anyways, My two questions / problems are: #1 I was not able to install my CD drive. I have a Wearnes 8X CD drive (IDE connection and a cheap sound card.) I found one selection on the driver disk for Wearnes and some other drives, but it failed on installation. I did not type in any parameters because I didn't know what it wanted. #2 I tried to use the FTP option in dselect and it comes up with the following error message: Net::FTP: Bad peer address at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR I was able to connect to ftp.debian.org via ftp from the shell. Any idea what is wrong with this? Ideally, I would like to get this working using the ftp option. If I can't, what is the proper method of loading and installing packages. Thanks, Doug Thistlethwaite -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doug Thistlethwaite wrote: Hello there, I just setup my linux system last night and finished the generic install. I have a few questions on things that didn't work as I expected. I hope this is the right place to ask. Ok, my system is a pent 166 w/32MB RAM and two hard drives I found laying around (1.6GB, 2.0GB). I created a root partition of 60MB, /usr of 1000MB /var 360MB /home 1915MB I hope this is about correct. Anyways, My two questions / problems are: #1 I was not able to install my CD drive. I have a Wearnes 8X CD drive (IDE connection and a cheap sound card.) I found one selection on the driver disk for Wearnes and some other drives, but it failed on installation. I did not type in any parameters because I didn't know what it wanted. #2 I tried to use the FTP option in dselect and it comes up with the following error message: Net::FTP: Bad peer address at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR I was able to connect to ftp.debian.org via ftp from the shell. Any idea what is wrong with this? Ideally, I would like to get this working using the ftp option. If I can't, what is the proper method of loading and installing packages. Thanks, Doug Thistlethwaite Can't help you with #2 (never seen that error before, and I do use FTP), but about #1: if your CD-ROM drive is connected to your computer via IDE (is this what you meant by IDE connection), then its almost certainly an IDE/ATAPI drive. This means you don't need a special CD-ROM driver. By default, IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM drives are supported in the initial kernels you start with. The problem is which device is it, since you have 2 hard drives (your hard drives are IDE too right?). If your first hard drive is /dev/hda and the second is /dev/hdb then try accessing your CD-ROM as /dev/hdc, but at this point I'm just guessing. Ed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 2, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terrence M. Brannon) wrote: - dselect - can only search for package names, not sections. - suggestion: allow search for sections Yes! Please! I kept meaning to ask for this. - kinda slow: any way for it to omit all of the Skipping deselected package cmds? Yet another vote for this :-) Steve Greenland -- The Mole - I think, therefore I scream Hayl, you know an' I know that th' only way in th' world we can get that kind o' money is if we found a bottle of Coke with a mouse in it. [Randy Quaid explains funding to Pee-Wee Herman on a SNL episode] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Terrence == Terrence M Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence - how do I allow DOS to be booted Terrence from a LILO prompt? I had this same question and remember having to do more than the normal amount of manual reading to figure it out. Since the solution is extremely simple, this should not have been the case. Hopefully, this will save you from having to go through what I did. Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the following clause to it: # DOS bootable partition config begins other = /dev/hda1 label = msdog table = /dev/hda # loader = /boot/any_d.b # DOS bootable partition config ends Change '/dev/hda1' to the right device for your system (i.e. the partition on which you have msdog installed). If it doesn't work like that, try uncommenting the load = /boot/any_d.b line. If you have any trouble, feel free to contact me directly. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terrence M. Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - install MBR on /dev/hda - how do I uninstall it so I can load DOS again? - how do I allow DOS to be booted from a LILO prompt? To re-install an MS-DOS MBR, boot DOS from a floppy and type 'fdisk /mbr'. Lilo can boot any partition you like; check it's man page. If you don't like the lilo interface, you may want to check the page in my .sig; Boot Control provides alternative MBRs that give an (IMHO) nicer user interface. Gertjan. -- Gertjan Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Boot Control home page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gklein/bcpage.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- install MBR on /dev/hda - how do I uninstall it so I can load DOS again? - how do I allow DOS to be booted from a LILO prompt? - dselect - can only search for package names, not sections. - suggestion: allow search for sections - vicious circle - libc5-dev, libnet, libc5 - recommends all be installed, so I hit return - but I don't get back to package selection, I am given given the conflict resolution info - I hit space, then return. same cycle over and over - so I remove libc5-dev and hit Q - kinda slow: any way for it to omit all of the Skipping deselected package cmds? -- terrence brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephones: home: 818-844-6401 360 S. Euclid Ave #124, Pasadena, CA 91101 /o)\fax: 213-740-5687 http://rana.usc.edu:8376/~brannon \(o/ that's right, 56*8*7 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Terrence M. Brannon wrote: - install MBR on /dev/hda - how do I uninstall it so I can load DOS again? - how do I allow DOS to be booted from a LILO prompt? man lilo.conf --- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Terrence M. Brannon wrote: - install MBR on /dev/hda - how do I uninstall it so I can load DOS again? Don't do this. Just use lilo so you can boot dos or Linux. - how do I allow DOS to be booted from a LILO prompt? If your dos partition is the first partition of your first HD (IDE) you could add the following lines to the end of your /etc/lilo.conf file: other = /dev/hda1 table = /dev/hda label = dos You would want to make sure that you had a reasonable timeout or a prompt from lilo. Timeout's for lilo are in 10ths of a second. As you can see there are a few things you'll want to know about lilo before you start messing around. Look at the documentation found by doing: zless /usr/doc/lilo/Manual.txt.gz Then you can change your /etc/lilo.conf file to your liking and afterwards don't forget to run /sbin/lilo to put the changes into effect. - dselect - can only search for package names, not sections. - suggestion: allow search for sections - vicious circle - libc5-dev, libnet, libc5 - recommends all be installed, so I hit return - but I don't get back to package selection, I am given given the conflict resolution info - I hit space, then return. same cycle over and over - so I remove libc5-dev and hit Q - kinda slow: any way for it to omit all of the Skipping deselected package cmds? I'll leave these questions to those deep in the knowledge of the inner workings of dselect/dpkg. -- terrence brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephones: home: 818-844-6401 360 S. Euclid Ave #124, Pasadena, CA 91101 /o)\fax: 213-740-5687 http://rana.usc.edu:8376/~brannon \(o/ that's right, 56*8*7 -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
