Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

[Max Nikulin]

On 04/06/2024 02:08, Chris M wrote:
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox 
format to store emails.

It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.


You may configure local IMAP server (e.g. dovecot) to store your 
archive. It allows to avoid issues with variations of mbox formats 
across mail user agents. Perhaps it is reasonable to disable message 
caching in mail client for the local IMAP server to avoid another copies 
of messages on disk.


On the other hand IMAP offline cache for remote servers allows to work 
with messages when network is unavailable.

Re: WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

[David Wright]

On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 14:08:46 (-0500), Chris M wrote:
> I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
> format to store emails.
> It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
> 
> Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox
> a certain size?
> or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
> 
> The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
> on Windows 10. And you had
> to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.
> 
> I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
> reading emails.

AIUI the critical issue here is how and where the active INBOX is
stored, as you have no control on when an incoming email is going to
arrive. I pay the professionals who host my domain to handle that for
me, and then I access the INBOX with IMAP, using mutt as my MUA.

If you use mbox, then you need to make sure that file-locking
is working with every program involved in delivery, filtering etc.
I've trusted mutt for over 25 years with my local mbox files.
Size isn't an issue AFAICT, with individual boxes up to 500MB with
7000 entries. Meanwhile IMAP is handling a 600MB and 38000 entry INBOX.

Cheers,
David.

Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

[Chris M]

Felix Miata wrote:
As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM. 



What I meant was, I always click in SM:

File > Offline > Work Offline

That way SM isn't doing anything in the background while I am compacting 
folders. OLD bad habit, I know.




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Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

[Felix Miata]

Chris M composed on 2024-06-03 14:08 (UTC-0500):

> Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a 
> certain size?
> or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
...
> I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done 
> reading emails.

In SM at least, since I've only ever used it and its ancestors, deleting an 
email
merely copies a "deleted" email to the Trash "folder", and marks its source that
it's been "deleted" so that it becomes invisible in the mailnews reader. It's 
the
compacting process that actually frees disk space by removing the "deleted"
emails. IOW, "deleting" an email roughly doubles the disk space it consumes 
until
such time as compacting its source occurs, when both copies get removed from the
storage system.

As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM.
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WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

[Chris M]

I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox 
format to store emails.

It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a 
certain size?

or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on 
Windows 10. And you had

to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done 
reading emails.


Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

Number Of Messages: 4776

Size: 300 MB


THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

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Re: Mail clients

[lee]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> Here's the snippet I use:
>
>
> # Use everything that looks like a mailbox in ~/Maildir/
> # except the ones explicitely excluded
> mailboxes ! + `\
> for file in ~/Maildir/.*; do \
> box=$(basename "$file"); \
> if [ ! "$box" = '.' -a ! "$box" = '..' \
>   -a ! "$box" = '.debian' \
> -a ! "$box" = '.notmuch' \
> echo -n "\"+$box\" "; \
> fi; \
> done`

Yeah I wrote a program to do something like that.  At least it helped.
I'd have made a Debian package for it if it wasn't so insanely difficult
to make a package, so I put it on sourceforge or freshmeat and last time
I checked, it had disappeared without notice.

Oh, google still finds it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mutt-mb/

Hm, their download counter is funny ...


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Re: Mail clients

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 22 oct 12, 15:41:48, lee wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at the documentation of mutt?  It talks about mail
> folders.  It also talks about directories.  It cannot rename folders or
> directories and it cannot (re-)move them (the argument is that mutt
> isn't a file manager), and it doesn't really show you a list of the
> folders or directories you have stored your mail in.  You can configure
> it to kinda do that, and when the folders/directories change (like when
> you create a new one or rename or (re-)move one), you either need to
> update the configuration or use some external software to dynamically
> generate a list to use in the configuration.  I call that awkward.
> Again: mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders (or directories)
> in mind.

Here's the snippet I use:


# Use everything that looks like a mailbox in ~/Maildir/
# except the ones explicitely excluded
mailboxes ! + `\
for file in ~/Maildir/.*; do \
box=$(basename "$file"); \
if [ ! "$box" = '.' -a ! "$box" = '..' \
-a ! "$box" = '.debian' \
-a ! "$box" = '.notmuch' \
echo -n "\"+$box\" "; \
fi; \
done`

This is not needed for IMAP. It also understands the concept of 
subscribed folder:

# only show subscribed folders
set imap_list_subscribed

# check all subscribed folders for new mail
set imap_check_subscribed


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Re: Mail clients

[John L. Cunningham]

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:10:09AM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> On 21/10/12 10:51, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a 
> > matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really 
> > optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge!
> > 
> Not really, the challenge is mutt + heavy html emails...

That depends on what you expect, I suppose. I find setting Autoview to
use w3m -dump (which I believe is the default on Wheezy) does a great
job. But, then I also find an inverse correlation between the amount of
html formatting an email has, and my desire to read it.
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Re: Mail clients

[lee]

Chris Bannister  writes:

> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 05:58:59PM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders in mind.  It merely
>> acknowledges the concept because the mails need to be stored
>> /somewhere/.
>
> You mean it doesn't work out of the box and requires some configuration?

No, I mean that mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders in mind.

> Hey, JFYI most good software is like that.

Oh really?  I never noticed and I'm so surprised you wouldn't believe it
...

> It is designed with the concept of directories, which is the
> Unix/Linux equivalent of the Win/Mac concept of folders.

Have you looked at the documentation of mutt?  It talks about mail
folders.  It also talks about directories.  It cannot rename folders or
directories and it cannot (re-)move them (the argument is that mutt
isn't a file manager), and it doesn't really show you a list of the
folders or directories you have stored your mail in.  You can configure
it to kinda do that, and when the folders/directories change (like when
you create a new one or rename or (re-)move one), you either need to
update the configuration or use some external software to dynamically
generate a list to use in the configuration.  I call that awkward.
Again: mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders (or directories)
in mind.

> Have you *actually* looked at the configuration options available with
> mutt? 

Sure, I looked at them many times.  I have used mutt for over 15 years
and then switched to gnus.

>> There isn't much I could elaborate.  I was told mutt can be configured
>
> So you never bothered looking yourself.

Not for imap, like I said.

> Oh, now you are saying you have never really used it with imap.

I never said I did.  I know it does imap because I occasionally used it
with imap and it was very awkward.  I was told it can be configured to
make using it with imap less awkward.  I never tried to do that, so
there isn't much I could elaborate about that.  I already said that.

> Well, I have, and it works a treat thankyou very much.

I haven't said it doesn't work.

> Please don't spread FUD.

Please learn to read.


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Re: Mail clients

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 05:58:59PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders in mind.  It merely
> acknowledges the concept because the mails need to be stored
> /somewhere/.

You mean it doesn't work out of the box and requires some configuration?
Hey, JFYI most good software is like that. It is designed with the
concept of directories, which is the Unix/Linux equivalent of the
Win/Mac concept of folders.

Have you *actually* looked at the configuration options available with
mutt? 

> There isn't much I could elaborate.  I was told mutt can be configured

So you never bothered looking yourself.

> to make it less awkward to use with imap and I never bothered to figure

Of course it has to be configured, just like any other software!

> out how to do that because I never really used it with imap because mutt
> is so awkward to use with imap :) 

Oh, now you are saying you have never really used it with imap.

Well, I have, and it works a treat thankyou very much.

Please don't spread FUD. If you don't know don't guess. Or at least
state that it is a personal problem that it didn't work for you and that
it is not a generally held belief.

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Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]

[lee]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote:
>> 
>> Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs
>> and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best.
>> Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be
>> rather awkward.
>
> Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a 
> matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really 
> optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge!

Mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders in mind.  It merely
acknowledges the concept because the mails need to be stored
/somewhere/.

There isn't much I could elaborate.  I was told mutt can be configured
to make it less awkward to use with imap and I never bothered to figure
out how to do that because I never really used it with imap because mutt
is so awkward to use with imap :)  I'm not really using imap anyway, and
if I need it for some reason, I use seamonkey.  Now if I seriously
wanted to use imap, I'd set up gnus for it.  And I'm not using gmail,
either.


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Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 21 oct 12, 11:10:09, Erwan David wrote:
> On 21/10/12 10:51, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge!
> > 
> Not really, the challenge is mutt + heavy html emails...
> GMail is easy once you activate imap and use mutt as an imap reader (in
> that case it's better to use the header caching).

Of course I'm using Gmail via IMAP ;) but it needs special handling:

$ grep 'imap.gmail.com.*macro' .mutt/hooks_muttrc | wc
  6  44 722

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Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]

[Erwan David]

On 21/10/12 10:51, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote:
>>
>> Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs
>> and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best.
>> Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be
>> rather awkward.
> 
> Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a 
> matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really 
> optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge!
> 
Not really, the challenge is mutt + heavy html emails...
GMail is easy once you activate imap and use mutt as an imap reader (in
that case it's better to use the header caching).


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Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote:
> 
> Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs
> and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best.
> Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be
> rather awkward.

Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a 
matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really 
optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge!

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Re: Searching inside e-mail clients (was: KMail - forwarding issues)

[Celejar]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:01:28 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:35:31 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> >> with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files
> >> are big (measured in GiB :-P).
> > 
> > If you're still doing on-demand searching, have you considered using a
> > mail indexer, such as Sylph-Searcher, or a generic file indexer, such as
> > recoll?
> 
> Yep, I'm using Tracker. But Tracker for Lenny still lacks Icedove 
> integration so I have to use Icedove embedded search, which is fine but 
> so basic. And I need to keep Icedove because of its hmtl support. Another 
> option is Evolution but always found it too much resource consuming and 
> bloated.

I use recoll, which has no MUA integration.  I'm thinking of configuring
Sylph-Searcher, which uses a postgresql backend.

I don't do HTML mail ;)

> > Obviously, dedicated mail indexers have the advantage of understanding
> > the structure of emails, so you can search for mail with specific field
> > contents.
> 
> I would like to see Icedove supporting both, mbox and maildir :-)

Sylph uses MH, similar to maildir, but can import and export mbox.

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Searching inside e-mail clients (was: KMail - forwarding issues)

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:35:31 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files
>> are big (measured in GiB :-P).
> 
> If you're still doing on-demand searching, have you considered using a
> mail indexer, such as Sylph-Searcher, or a generic file indexer, such as
> recoll?

Yep, I'm using Tracker. But Tracker for Lenny still lacks Icedove 
integration so I have to use Icedove embedded search, which is fine but 
so basic. And I need to keep Icedove because of its hmtl support. Another 
option is Evolution but always found it too much resource consuming and 
bloated.
 
> Obviously, dedicated mail indexers have the advantage of understanding
> the structure of emails, so you can search for mail with specific field
> contents.

I would like to see Icedove supporting both, mbox and maildir :-)

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Re: Mail clients attaching files (was Re: [SOLVED] How to reduce a debian system to a base system)

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 03:29:05 Ron Johnson wrote:
> Next time you attach such a file, I suggest that you add a ".txt" so
> that your email/webmail app knows that it is a text file, instead of
> base64 encoded application/octet-stream.
>
> (Iceweasel/Thunderbird seems to "peek" into it, probably using some
> built-in libmagic and knows to set the attachment to be inline
> text/plain.  Don't know what Mutt, Sylpheed, KMail and Evolution do.)

KMail opens it as text.

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Re: Mail clients attaching files (was Re: [SOLVED] How to reduce a debian system to a base system)

[Tom Furie]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:29:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-22 21:56, Mike Viau wrote:

>> Attached for you convenience!
>> sourced from: Debian Lenny
>
> Next time you attach such a file, I suggest that you add a ".txt" so  
> that your email/webmail app knows that it is a text file, instead of  
> base64 encoded application/octet-stream.
>
> (Iceweasel/Thunderbird seems to "peek" into it, probably using some  
> built-in libmagic and knows to set the attachment to be inline  
> text/plain.  Don't know what Mutt, Sylpheed, KMail and Evolution do.)

Mutt sees that there is no mailcap entry for it, and so views it as
text. That's fine in this case, but for other files certain manual
intervention would be required.

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RE: Mail clients attaching files (was Re: [SOLVED] How to reduce a debian system to a base system)

[Mike Viau]

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:29:05 -0500  wrote:
> 
> On 2010-03-22 21:56, Mike Viau wrote:
> > Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:29:01 -0400  wrote:
> >  >
> >  > On 23:37 Fri 19 Mar , Mike Viau wrote:
> >  > > > > My output with the suggestion above.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > debian:~# dpkg --dry-run --purge $(join -v2 <(awk '{if 
> > ($2=="install")
> >  > > > > print $1}' < debian-5.04-base-selections | sort) <(dpkg 
> > --get-selections |
> >  > > > > awk '{if ($2=="install") print $1}' | sort)) bash: command 
> > substitution:
> >  >
> >  > I like your idea.
> > 
> > Credit goes out to Mike Bird 
> > +1
> > 
> >  > Would you post the file debian-5.04-base-selections or give us a 
> > reference?
> > 
> > Attached for you convenience!
> > sourced from: Debian Lenny
> > 
> 
> Next time you attach such a file, I suggest that you add a ".txt" so 
> that your email/webmail app knows that it is a text file, instead of 
> base64 encoded application/octet-stream.
> 
> (Iceweasel/Thunderbird seems to "peek" into it, probably using some 
> built-in libmagic and knows to set the attachment to be inline 
> text/plain.  Don't know what Mutt, Sylpheed, KMail and Evolution do.)
> 
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Thanks for the information, I wasn't aware of that...



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Mail clients attaching files (was Re: [SOLVED] How to reduce a debian system to a base system)

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-22 21:56, Mike Viau wrote:

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:29:01 -0400  wrote:
 >
 > On 23:37 Fri 19 Mar , Mike Viau wrote:
 > > > > My output with the suggestion above.
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > > debian:~# dpkg --dry-run --purge $(join -v2 <(awk '{if 
($2=="install")
 > > > > print $1}' < debian-5.04-base-selections | sort) <(dpkg 
--get-selections |
 > > > > awk '{if ($2=="install") print $1}' | sort)) bash: command 
substitution:

 >
 > I like your idea.

Credit goes out to Mike Bird 
+1

 > Would you post the file debian-5.04-base-selections or give us a 
reference?


Attached for you convenience!
sourced from: Debian Lenny



Next time you attach such a file, I suggest that you add a ".txt" so 
that your email/webmail app knows that it is a text file, instead of 
base64 encoded application/octet-stream.


(Iceweasel/Thunderbird seems to "peek" into it, probably using some 
built-in libmagic and knows to set the attachment to be inline 
text/plain.  Don't know what Mutt, Sylpheed, KMail and Evolution do.)


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Funky e-mail clients [Was] Re: why linux?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 12:22:38PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
 
> Mail clients known to reply funky:
> 
> Outlook, Outlook Express (top posted by default, no viable fix except
> switching)
> 
> GMail (breaks threading, any workarounds??).

SMTP ;)

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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Ron Johnson]

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> George Borisov wrote:
> 
>> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>>  
[snip]
> You may be required to use the proprietary "Ximian Evolution" which is
> the same as the free version, but it contains a module that allows it to
> talk to Exchange.

That proprietary plugin was open-sourced quite a while ago.  Around
v2.2, I think.  It is now "in Debian".

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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Arafangion]

George Borisov wrote:

>Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
>>MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.
>>
>>
>
>I use Thunderbird with our Exchange through IMAP. Depends if your server
>has it enabled.
>
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>  
>
You may be required to use the proprietary "Ximian Evolution" which is
the same as the free version, but it contains a module that allows it to
talk to Exchange.

I have never used it.  imap4 user myself.


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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[George Borisov]

Dmitri Minaev wrote:
>
> And both Evolution and Thunderbird as IMAP clients are PITA to work
> with . Thunderbird sometimes can't copy the outgoing message into Sent
> Items folder [1].

Yup, but this seems to be more of a problem with Exchange IMAP
component. In the same client I am connected to my own Courier IMAP
server at home and it works just fine.

Also, I have managed to mostly fix the problem by setting
"mail.imap.max_cached_connections = 1" in Thunderbird. Not 100% reliable
though. :-(


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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Dmitri Minaev]

And both Evolution and Thunderbird as IMAP clients are PITA to work
with . Thunderbird sometimes can't copy the outgoing message into Sent
Items folder [1]. Evolution crashes when replying to a message with an
embedded image. [2]

[sigh] Nothing is perfect in this world... I sometimes think about
switching to Wanderlust. All those traditional MUAs give me headaches.

1. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=218625
2. 
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2005-August/25.html

On 5/24/06, George Borisov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
> MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

I use Thunderbird with our Exchange through IMAP. Depends if your server
has it enabled.


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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[George Borisov]

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
> MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

I use Thunderbird with our Exchange through IMAP. Depends if your server
has it enabled.


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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Mihira Fernando]

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
> MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

MS Outlook on Wine ?

Ace.

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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 07:25:32PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
>MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

If the Exchange server is recent enough it supports IMAP. Talk to your
system admin and ask about it. Chances are it's already turned on,
otherwise ask nicely. If she/he refuses I suspect you're out of luck.

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Re: Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Dmitri Minaev]

It depends on the protocols enabled on your Exchange server. There are
a lot of MUAs to work with IMAP and POP (including Thunderbird). If
OWA is available, you can use Evolution. If the only option is MAPI, I
am afraid that the only way out is to run a Win32 client under WINE or
on a remote desktop. There was a commercial solution from HP, called
OpenMail, but it is not available anymore.

You may find something useful on this page, though:
http://dcs.nac.uci.edu/~strombrg/exchange.html

On 5/23/06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,
Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

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Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

Hi,
Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

malebo

Which e-mail clients can I use to access MS-Exchange servers?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

Hi,
Which other e-mail clients, other than Evolution, can I access
MS-exchange accounts with? I tried and failed with Thunderbird.

malebo

Re: web-centric mail clients

[Roberto Sanchez]

Tom Allison wrote:
I've been using squirrelmail as my web-mail interface.
But I'm wondering what else it out there in Debian packages.

Horde is 'da bomb.  In addition to webmail, it also has a password
changer (no need for shell access to change password),
addressbook/contact manager (can connect to LDAP source), calendar,
memo program, task list manager, vacation announcement and forwarding.
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Take a look at http://turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw/openwebmail/
It's pretty full-featured, and runs fairly nicely there's an online 
demo on that page somewhere that you can try out to get a feel for it.

Tom Allison wrote:
I've been using squirrelmail as my web-mail interface.
But I'm wondering what else it out there in Debian packages.


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I've been using squirrelmail as my web-mail interface.
But I'm wondering what else it out there in Debian packages.
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Re: Sylpheed and mail clients (was: Can Kmail be used outside ofKDE)?

[Bill Moseley]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Shawn Lamson wrote:

> Did you right click on "Mailbox (MH)" folder and "rebuild folder tree" ?

No, but that does seem to fix it.  I wonder why it keeps getting off in   
its counts.


> >http://hank.org/images/sylpheed.png

> That image looks just like mine - it looks like you have "short" lines
> but then when you send it should wrap correctly.

Yes, it does fix it when sending.  But it sure isn't very nice to look at
when responding to the long emails my boss writes.


> > also include things like URLs that you do not want wrapped?

> I don't know about this, sorry... i just put a colon and the url on
> it's own line, if it still wraps that the receivers issue :) for
> example:

> http://madzimambo.sytes.net:8080/israel/FactsOfIsrael

> I know that isnt long enough to wrap though, sorry.

but you don't have wrap turned on (your paragraphs are coming in
unwrapped and I'm using Pine's ^J to rewrap).


> I use claws and get the CVS version compiled regularly...  obviously
> sylpheed-claws isnt perfect, but for every "darn" I get one "cool",
> know what I mean? :)

I agree.  It has a lot of cool features, which is why I'm trying really
hard to use it.  Just wish it did the standard things well, too! ;)


> You could try posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your issues 
>too.

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Re: Sylpheed and mail clients (was: Can Kmail be used outside ofKDE)?

[Shawn Lamson]

On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:12:41 -0800
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 08:31 AM 12/18/02 +, Carlos Sousa wrote:
> 
> Sorry for taking so long to get back to this -- it's been one of those weeks.
> 
> >On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote:
> >> That version of Sylpheed doesn't seem to deal well with counting new
> >> messages, and when I use the threaded view I seem to miss new
> >> messages.  I need to figure out how to show messages in *received*
> >> order.
> >
> >Must be a temporary breakage. I'm using vanilla Sylpheed 0.8.6, it
> >counts the messages right, doesn't miss any messages and the default
> >order is received order. 
> 
> Perhaps, although I seemed to have the same bad luck a few months ago.  I
> just renamed my Mail and .sylpheed directories and it fixed the counting
> problems with the inbox, but now the trash count is wrong (says there's new
> messages when there isn't).

Did you right click on "Mailbox (MH)" folder and "rebuild folder tree" ?

> 
> >> That also causes a weird effect when replying even when the original
> >> message was wrapped sylpheed still sometimes will wrap again so it
> >> looks like:
> >> 
> >>   > so you see a line like this and then sylpheed wraps
> >>   right here
> >>   > so you get a wrapped word or two without "> ". 
> >
> >It definately does not do that here. It wraps quotations correctly,
> >readjusting the > marker when necessary.
> 
> This is what it does on my machine.  It makes replying to long email
> messages awkward.
> 
>http://hank.org/images/sylpheed.png
That image looks just like mine - it looks like you have "short" lines but then when 
you send it should wrap correctly.
> 
> >If you want to wait to wrap before sending, click the Linewrap button.
> 
> I can't get that button (or any of the menu wrap options) to do anything.
> I've tried different combinations of the Compose wrap options, too.  I'm
> trying both the latest source tarball from the claws site, and the Debian
> package from testing and now unstable.  
> 
> What wrap options are you using?
> 
> How do you compose a message with a lot of text that you want wrapped, but
> also include things like URLs that you do not want wrapped?
I don't know about this, sorry... i just put a colon and the url on it's own line, if 
it still wraps that the receivers issue :) for example:
http://madzimambo.sytes.net:8080/israel/FactsOfIsrael
I know that isnt long enough to wrap though, sorry.

> >It seems that all the problems you've presented about Sylpheed are
> >easily overcome by carefully chosing your preferences. Also, Perhaps you
> >would be better served by the vannila (stable) Sylpheed version.
> 
> Perhaps.  A lot of people really like Sylpheed, so I'm sure these problems
> are not showing up for everyone -- I hope it's just a configuration issue.
I use claws and get the CVS version compiled regularly...  obviously sylpheed-claws 
isnt perfect, but for every "darn" I get one "cool", know what I mean? :)
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Re: Sylpheed and mail clients (was: Can Kmail be used outside of KDE)?

[Bill Moseley]

At 08:31 AM 12/18/02 +, Carlos Sousa wrote:

Sorry for taking so long to get back to this -- it's been one of those weeks.

>On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote:
>> That version of Sylpheed doesn't seem to deal well with counting new
>> messages, and when I use the threaded view I seem to miss new
>> messages.  I need to figure out how to show messages in *received*
>> order.
>
>Must be a temporary breakage. I'm using vanilla Sylpheed 0.8.6, it
>counts the messages right, doesn't miss any messages and the default
>order is received order. 

Perhaps, although I seemed to have the same bad luck a few months ago.  I
just renamed my Mail and .sylpheed directories and it fixed the counting
problems with the inbox, but now the trash count is wrong (says there's new
messages when there isn't).

>> That also causes a weird effect when replying even when the original
>> message was wrapped sylpheed still sometimes will wrap again so it
>> looks like:
>> 
>>   > so you see a line like this and then sylpheed wraps
>>   right here
>>   > so you get a wrapped word or two without "> ". 
>
>It definately does not do that here. It wraps quotations correctly,
>readjusting the > marker when necessary.

This is what it does on my machine.  It makes replying to long email
messages awkward.

   http://hank.org/images/sylpheed.png

>If you want to wait to wrap before sending, click the Linewrap button.

I can't get that button (or any of the menu wrap options) to do anything.
I've tried different combinations of the Compose wrap options, too.  I'm
trying both the latest source tarball from the claws site, and the Debian
package from testing and now unstable.  

What wrap options are you using?

How do you compose a message with a lot of text that you want wrapped, but
also include things like URLs that you do not want wrapped?

>It seems that all the problems you've presented about Sylpheed are
>easily overcome by carefully chosing your preferences. Also, Perhaps you
>would be better served by the vannila (stable) Sylpheed version.

Perhaps.  A lot of people really like Sylpheed, so I'm sure these problems
are not showing up for everyone -- I hope it's just a configuration issue.

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Re: Sylpheed and mail clients (was: Can Kmail be used outside of KDE)?

[Carlos Sousa]

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote:
> That version of Sylpheed doesn't seem to deal well with counting new
> messages, and when I use the threaded view I seem to miss new
> messages.  I need to figure out how to show messages in *received*
> order.

Must be a temporary breakage. I'm using vanilla Sylpheed 0.8.6, it
counts the messages right, doesn't miss any messages and the default
order is received order. 

> My biggest issue with it is the word wrapping, and it's partly that I
(...)
> ... I use Pine and I love the way ^J will re-wrap a quoted long line
> and place ">" at the start of every newly wrapped line.

That's exactly what Sylpheed does.

> By default it wraps on input which is odd because

Turn it off, then, in Configuration -> Common Preferences -> Compose.

> it opens a wide compose window yet only part of it is used. 
> Resizing has no effect of where it wraps when composing -- if you

It wraps to a value of characters per line defined in Configuration.

> That also causes a weird effect when replying even when the original
> message was wrapped sylpheed still sometimes will wrap again so it
> looks like:
> 
>   > so you see a line like this and then sylpheed wraps
>   right here
>   > so you get a wrapped word or two without "> ". 

It definately does not do that here. It wraps quotations correctly,
readjusting the > marker when necessary.

> It gets put back correctly on send but it's hard to read the quoted
> text when composing.

If you want to wait to wrap before sending, click the Linewrap button.

> The other thing I haven't figured out is how to keep it from wrapping
> when I don't want it to -- for example paste in a URL and it gets
> wrapped.  Not very helpful for person receiving the mail.

Then turn off automatic wrapping in Configuration, and wrap by clicking
the Linewrap button when desired.

It seems that all the problems you've presented about Sylpheed are
easily overcome by carefully chosing your preferences. Also, Perhaps you
would be better served by the vannila (stable) Sylpheed version.

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Sylpheed and mail clients (was: Can Kmail be used outside of KDE)?

[Bill Moseley]

At 06:33 PM 12/17/02 -0500, Shawn Lamson wrote:
>Short answer yes it can be used withouth KDE; as to your particular
problem I don't know... have you tried sylpheed-claws as a mail agent?  It
is a lot lighter than say Evolution.

I have tried sylpheed-claws -- I've tried using it a few times, quite a bit
over the last week or so.

I do like sylpheed-claws, but it's not for me yet.  (I realize it's open
source and I should contribute.)

I'm using:
X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; )

That version of Sylpheed doesn't seem to deal well with counting new
messages, and when I use the threaded view I seem to miss new messages.  I
need to figure out how to show messages in *received* order.

My biggest issue with it is the word wrapping, and it's partly that I want
it to be a mix of the best of all things, which it can't be.  (What I
really want is a graphical Mutt, I guess -- or Mutt crossed with an old
version of Eudora.)

For example, you have wrapping turned off so your mail is not wrapped.  You
can see the way it was quoted above with only one ">" (this mailer (old
Eudora in windows) will wrap when I resend).  When I'm on the road I use
Pine and I love the way ^J will re-wrap a quoted long line and place ">" at
the start of every newly wrapped line.

By default it wraps on input which is odd because (on my screen at least)
it opens a wide compose window yet only part of it is used.  Resizing has
no effect of where it wraps when composing -- if you resize smaller you can
type off into the right margin and not see what you are typing.

That also causes a weird effect when replying even when the original
message was wrapped sylpheed still sometimes will wrap again so it looks like:

  > so you see a line like this and then sylpheed wraps
  right here
  > so you get a wrapped word or two without "> ". 

It gets put back correctly on send but it's hard to read the quoted text
when composing.

The other thing I haven't figured out is how to keep it from wrapping when
I don't want it to -- for example paste in a URL and it gets wrapped.  Not
very helpful for person receiving the mail.

Sorry, I'm not meaning to complain about Sylpheed -- it's my favorite
graphical mail client for Linux, so far.  And I'm very thankful for the
work that's going into it.  

I'm always amazed how well plain old Pine works for me when on the road.
Maybe I just need to learn Mutt and forget about a graphical interface.  Or
run Eudora in Wine.

The *only* reason I have this windows machine still is because I haven't
found a replacement for Eudora 3.0 yet!  That's all I use it for, I have
three Debian and one SuSE machines under my desk right now (with a KVM) and
a laptop with Debian (where I use Pine to read my mail).

I also want to move to IMAP, but last I checked I had over 60,000 email
messages in Eudora with a number of folders with around 10,000 messages.  I
think I need to figure out better archiving before I move to IMAP.

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Petro]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:37:06PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> begin  Alan James  quotation:
> 
> > I'd like to give maildir a go, so how do I convert MH to MailDir ?
> 
> If you use procmail, just set up new empty maildir folders corresponding
> to each of your old MH folders, edit .procmailrc to use the new folders
> (and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
> messages back through procmail again.

I just went through this last week, and had a *lot* of hand-sorted
folders. 

Here's the script I used. It uses a program called "safecat",
google's your buddy for that: 

#!/bin/sh

SAFECAT=/usr/bin/safecat
MAILD=/home/petro/Maildir/
$here=`pwd` 
for DIR in `ls -1`
do
echo "doing $here/ $DIR :" 
if [ ! -d $MAILDIR/$DIR ]
then
mkdir -m 2700 $MAILD/$DIR
mkdir -m 2700 $MAILD/$DIR/cur
mkdir -m 2700 $MAILD/$DIR/new
mkdir -m 2700 $MAILD/$DIR/tmp
fi

cd $DIR
echo "Inside: "
pwd 
for FLE in `ls -1` 
do
cat $FLE | $SAFECAT $MAILD/$DIR/tmp  $MAILD/$DIR/cur
done
cd ..
echo "$DIR done"
done

Basically safecat is just used to give the MH mail file the proper
Maildir name. You could fake this by generating your own. According to
the safecat man page the format for the file name is
.., where time is seconds in the Unix Epoch, pid is,
well, pid, and host is, well, the hostname. 

Any, HTH. 

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Alan James]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:25:31AM -0500, Chris Hilts wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:37:06PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> > (and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
> > messages back through procmail again.
> 
> I believe procmail comes with a utility called 'formail' which you might
> find useful for this.

It was actually pretty straightforward. It each MH folder I did :

for files in ./[[:digit:]]*; do cat $files |procmail; done

No problem, until I got the SMS folder..

Thanks for the help.

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Chris Hilts]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:37:06PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> (and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
> messages back through procmail again.

I believe procmail comes with a utility called 'formail' which you might
find useful for this.
 
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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Alan James  quotation:

> I'd like to give maildir a go, so how do I convert MH to MailDir ?

If you use procmail, just set up new empty maildir folders corresponding
to each of your old MH folders, edit .procmailrc to use the new folders
(and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
messages back through procmail again.

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[Alan James]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:59:15PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> begin  Alan James  quotation:
> 
> > Are you still using MH folders ?  How'd you get mutt to show a list of MH 
> > folders with the new message count for each ?
> 
> I converted my MH folders to maildir and now I use that. Mutt seems to
> handle maildir better, and it's a better format in general (you don't
> have to lock the whole folder to add or remove messages).
> 
> Craig

I've now gone all mutt. You're right, the lack of sequences support in sylpheed
did get annoying. 
I've got my MH folders displaying the way I wanted now too, but mutt seems to 
get things wrong occasionally and say theres new mail when there isnt.

I'd like to give maildir a go, so how do I convert MH to MailDir ?

Alan

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Alan James  quotation:

> Are you still using MH folders ?  How'd you get mutt to show a list of MH 
> folders with the new message count for each ?

I converted my MH folders to maildir and now I use that. Mutt seems to
handle maildir better, and it's a better format in general (you don't
have to lock the whole folder to add or remove messages).

Craig


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[Alan James]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:44:30 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I found it a major annoyance, but maybe I just receive a lot more mail
> than you do.

Probably, ive just joined this list, and I've more than doubled my daily mail.

> To me, also, there was the basic question, why do I need two different
> mail clients? Aside from the lack of point-and-click to select messages,
> mutt has a pretty decent UI, and it's customizable enough that I was
> able to work around the things that annoyed me the most about it. So
> now I just use mutt.

Are you still using MH folders ?  How'd you get mutt to show a list of MH 
folders with the new message count for each ?

I'll probably go all mutt too, when I get to know it a bit better.

> Procmail understands MH format, so why do you need rcvstore?

I cant remember. There was something I didnt like about procmails handling.

> Craig
> 

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[Craig Dickson]

begin  Alan James  quotation:

> Bob Thibodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I thought I'd try Sylpheed after seing mention of it on this
> > list, but never felt like configuring another client. Now that
> > I've read it doesn't play nice with mutt, I'll just remove it.
>
> I've got it working reasonable nicely with mutt/procmail. The only
> issue is that slypheed uses its own mechanism for marking mail as read
> rather than a sequences file. This means that when I use mutt, I see
> the mail thats new since the last time i ran mutt, and Sylpheed shows
> whats new since I last ran sylpheed.
>
> This is only a very minor annoyance though, and I think I'll stick
> with this configuration for a while.

I found it a major annoyance, but maybe I just receive a lot more mail
than you do.

To me, also, there was the basic question, why do I need two different
mail clients? Aside from the lack of point-and-click to select messages,
mutt has a pretty decent UI, and it's customizable enough that I was
able to work around the things that annoyed me the most about it. So
now I just use mutt.

> Of course migrating to Sylpheed means converting your mailboxes into
> MH format, and modifying your procmail scripts to use rcvstore.

Procmail understands MH format, so why do you need rcvstore?

Craig


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[Alan James]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:36:18 -0500
Bob Thibodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I thought I'd try Sylpheed after seing mention of it on this
> list, but never felt like configuring another client. Now that
> I've read it doesn't play nice with mutt, I'll just remove it.

I've got it working reasonable nicely with mutt/procmail. The only issue is that
slypheed uses its own mechanism for marking mail as read rather than a sequences
file. This means that when I use mutt, I see the mail thats new since the last 
time i ran mutt, and Sylpheed shows whats new since I last ran sylpheed.

This is only a very minor annoyance though, and I think I'll stick with this 
configuration for a while.

I was particularly impressed with Sylpheeds GPG handling, something that Balsa, 
which I was using previously, lacks.

Of course migrating to Sylpheed means converting your mailboxes into MH format,
and modifying your procmail scripts to use rcvstore. 

Alan

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:00:03 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > I dunno. Don't have it installed anymore.  Pretty recent version
> > > of the non-claws version (last month or so).  The memory leak was
> > > a slow but substantial one.  I was often leaving Sylpheed running
> > > for days, but after a couple it would have about 50MB under its
> > > process (and be starting to drag a little).  So, it's probably
> > > a small leak (1K or less), that just adds up over time.
> > ok, I'll talk to upstream about this
> 
> I saw this in 0.7.0.  Haven't seen it in 0.7.2, since I shut down
> most userland programs before doing my nightly "apt-get upgrade".

well,

from Hiroyuki:

"I think the bloat is because of the log messages in LogWindow
keeps growing (this is significant on IMAP4 because of the log
size). I've already got a patch to solve this by limiting the
log size (though it requires some modification), so it will be
solved in the near future."

maybe that's not leak, at all

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:53:02 -0300 Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:06:10 -0800
> "Eric G. Miller"  wrote:
> 
> > I dunno. Don't have it installed anymore.  Pretty recent version
> > of the non-claws version (last month or so).  The memory leak was
> > a slow but substantial one.  I was often leaving Sylpheed running
> > for days, but after a couple it would have about 50MB under its
> > process (and be starting to drag a little).  So, it's probably
> > a small leak (1K or less), that just adds up over time.
> ok, I'll talk to upstream about this

I saw this in 0.7.0.  Haven't seen it in 0.7.2, since I shut down
most userland programs before doing my nightly "apt-get upgrade".

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On 24 Feb 2002 20:28:56 +
Patrick Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 19:55, Bill Moseley wrote:
> > At 11:25 AM 02/24/02 -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Although I read that IMAP can be slow if you have many mailboxes (I have
> > almost 100), and hundreds of messages a day.
> > 
> > 
> I have the same problem.  The truth is that most mail cleints that claim
> to be IMAP compliant are simply unusable.  syplheed exposes a list of
> each and every item in the directory where the mail account lives.  so
> on one of my servers, syplheed shows over 500 items and I have to select
> my active mailboxes from that lot!

one of the Sylpheed-Claws' devel said:

"The "IMAP server directory" (on the Receive tab in acoount
settings) parameter can help in this case.  Put all mailboxes
under the same directory (e.g. ~/Mail) and enter the name of
that directory (relative to home, e.g. Mail in this case) as the
IMAP server directory."

I don't use/know IMAP, so I'm unable to help...

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:06:10 -0800
"Eric G. Miller"  wrote:

> I dunno. Don't have it installed anymore.  Pretty recent version
> of the non-claws version (last month or so).  The memory leak was
> a slow but substantial one.  I was often leaving Sylpheed running
> for days, but after a couple it would have about 50MB under its
> process (and be starting to drag a little).  So, it's probably
> a small leak (1K or less), that just adds up over time.
ok, I'll talk to upstream about this

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Bob Thibodeau]

I switched from Eudora and Pegasus in Windows to
Elm and now mutt in Linux. I found the transition to be
painless, although I did miss the folder handling in the
early days. I did run Pegasus with WINE for a while, but
made the final switch because I wanted to get away from
the non-standard mailbox format.

I thought I'd try Sylpheed after seing mention of it on this
list, but never felt like configuring another client. Now that
I've read it doesn't play nice with mutt, I'll just remove it.

I'm a pfe fan from way back. I still install it on any Windows
machine I'm forced to use for an extended period of time. For
most quick-and-dirty editing under Linux, I run whatever vi
clone I have. When the mood strikes me, I use emacs ( for instance
as my mail editor with mutt ).

Bob

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 09:38:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> My head is swimming a bit trying to limit my choices of mail clients to test.
> 
> I'm wondering if someone can help narrow my choices.
> 
> Background: Like many, I'm coming from a Windows environment.  I've got
> three linux machines under my desk and for a year now I've booted Win98
> used basically only browsers and Eudora (3.0) on my Win98 machine, and
> spent all day  with SecureCRT ssh'ed into my Linux machines and to other
> machines I work with.
> 
> So, for graphical mail clients:  Knowing that I'm coming from a simple life
> with Eudora (and have never liked Outlook), any comments or simple
> overviews of the following:
> 
> I know it's a lot to ask, but please no flame wars on which client stinks
> or is best.  I guess I'm looking for someone with a similar history as mine
> that can say "try this", or "Evolution is cool, but it's too huge and slow..."
> 
> Also, on my home machines (I think) I'd like to switch to IMAP to make
> managing mail from different locations a bit better.  I know very little
> about IMAP.  Currently I think I've got about 50,000 messages in my Eudora
> folders, so I'm not clear if IMAP will be slow working with that many
> messages.
> 
> And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
> Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
> (pfe)?

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:30:17PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:56:23 -0800
> "Eric G. Miller"  wrote:
> 
> >   Possibly dead?
> > 
> > > Sylpheed: (which I just read about on this list).
> > 
> >   Works pretty well.  Is fairly lightweight.  I noticed it leaks a
> >   significant amount of memory over time (days).  No idea about
> >   IMAP support (think it's supported, don't know how well).
> what version? memory leaks should be fixed =P

I dunno. Don't have it installed anymore.  Pretty recent version
of the non-claws version (last month or so).  The memory leak was
a slow but substantial one.  I was often leaving Sylpheed running
for days, but after a couple it would have about 50MB under its
process (and be starting to drag a little).  So, it's probably
a small leak (1K or less), that just adds up over time.

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:56:23 -0800
"Eric G. Miller"  wrote:

>   Possibly dead?
> 
> > Sylpheed: (which I just read about on this list).
> 
>   Works pretty well.  Is fairly lightweight.  I noticed it leaks a
>   significant amount of memory over time (days).  No idea about
>   IMAP support (think it's supported, don't know how well).
what version? memory leaks should be fixed =P

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:41:54 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 09:33:55AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> > 
> > Sylpheed is quite nice. I don't use it myself because I don't want to be
> > dependent on an X app to read my mail (I use mutt), but my wife switched
> > to Sylpheed after we decided that Outlook Express was too dangerous, and
> > she's quite happy with it.
> 
> Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?
yes, I am the maintainer

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:22:22 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> begin  Michael P. Soulier  quotation:
> 
> > Sylpheed is excellent I'm told. 
> 
> Sylpheed is quite nice. I don't use it myself because I don't want to be
> dependent on an X app to read my mail (I use mutt), but my wife switched
> to Sylpheed after we decided that Outlook Express was too dangerous, and
> she's quite happy with it.
yes, I, my girlfriend , mother and sister all use sylpheed... it is the better
mail client I used.. I come from KDE 1.2's kmail, which runned quite well
on my 486... newer doesn't, and sylpheed runs smootlhy on it

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 14:28, Patrick Kirk wrote:

> Evolution is a heavy application and has some quirks.  but it is a very
> good IMAP client in that it allows shortcuts to your frequently used
> mailboxes and only asks you to select from mailboxes as opposed to all
> files.

I run an IMAP server to make it easier to get at my mail remotely, and
Evolution works great with it. Yes, Evolution is a bit on the "heavy"
side, but if you've got a relatively recent system, it's not really
noticeable. As for speed with IMAP, I've got about a dozen folders
holding ~10,000 messages, and I have no complaints. I periodically run a
filter which moves messages older than 1 month to an Archive folder so
that my inbox stays around 500 messages, and it takes about 1.5 seconds
for the folder to open when I'm on the LAN. (Time will vary depending on
your connection speed to the IMAP server.)

-Alex

p.s. In regards to the original message, esp. the part about a good text
editor, I'd STRONGLY encourage anyone who doesn't already know one, to
either learn Vim or Emacs. I perfer Emacs and I have all of my Gnome
keybindings set to Emacs style, and each passing day I wonder how I ever
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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Patrick Kirk]

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 19:55, Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 11:25 AM 02/24/02 -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:

> 
> Although I read that IMAP can be slow if you have many mailboxes (I have
> almost 100), and hundreds of messages a day.
> 
> 
I have the same problem.  The truth is that most mail cleints that claim
to be IMAP compliant are simply unusable.  syplheed exposes a list of
each and every item in the directory where the mail account lives.  so
on one of my servers, syplheed shows over 500 items and I have to select
my active mailboxes from that lot!

I find mutt running locally is very good.  Its actiually more convenient
that it can be run with multiple sessions on the same mail account.  So
I can have mutt -f Mail/rootmail and mutt -f Mail/debian.

Evolution is a heavy application and has some quirks.  but it is a very
good IMAP client in that it allows shortcuts to your frequently used
mailboxes and only asks you to select from mailboxes as opposed to all
files.

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Bill Moseley]

At 11:25 AM 02/24/02 -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
>I believe nmh uses .mh_sequences or some such.  So, that would probably
>be the "standard" way.  Sylpheed uses it's own sequence file, so it
>won't even jibe with the mh way of managing mail.  This is something
>the Sylpheed folks should fix.  I tried to get gkrellm to watch my
>mailboxes when using sylpheed, but it never worked because of this.

Would IMAP be a solution to all of this?

Although I read that IMAP can be slow if you have many mailboxes (I have
almost 100), and hundreds of messages a day.


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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 01:00:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:05:13 -0800 Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  quotation:
> > 
> > > Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?
> > 
> > Yes, in Woody and Sid.
> > 
> > > BTW -- why would using an X mail application exclude you from also
> > > running mutt?
> > 
> > It's not so much "prevented" as "made sufficiently painful". I tried
> > using Sylpheed and mutt together several months ago, and at that time it
> > did not work well because Sylpheed and mutt used incompatible ways of
> > indicating that a message has been read. I would read messages in one
> > program, then run the other and see all those messages still marked as
> > new. That was too annoying for words, considering the amount of mail I
> > get every day. So, since I need a non-X MUA for ssh sessions from remote
> > locations over slow connections, I just stopped using Sylpheed.
> 
> Interesting.  Is there a Standard Way of indicating that MH mails
> have been read?

I believe nmh uses .mh_sequences or some such.  So, that would probably
be the "standard" way.  Sylpheed uses it's own sequence file, so it
won't even jibe with the mh way of managing mail.  This is something
the Sylpheed folks should fix.  I tried to get gkrellm to watch my
mailboxes when using sylpheed, but it never worked because of this.

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:05:13 -0800 Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  quotation:
> 
> > Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?
> 
> Yes, in Woody and Sid.
> 
> > BTW -- why would using an X mail application exclude you from also
> > running mutt?
> 
> It's not so much "prevented" as "made sufficiently painful". I tried
> using Sylpheed and mutt together several months ago, and at that time it
> did not work well because Sylpheed and mutt used incompatible ways of
> indicating that a message has been read. I would read messages in one
> program, then run the other and see all those messages still marked as
> new. That was too annoying for words, considering the amount of mail I
> get every day. So, since I need a non-X MUA for ssh sessions from remote
> locations over slow connections, I just stopped using Sylpheed.

Interesting.  Is there a Standard Way of indicating that MH mails
have been read?

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[csj]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:41:54 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 09:33:55AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> > 
> > Sylpheed is quite nice. I don't use it myself because I don't want to be
> > dependent on an X app to read my mail (I use mutt), but my wife switched
> > to Sylpheed after we decided that Outlook Express was too dangerous, and
> > she's quite happy with it.
> 
> Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?

Yes. And in two flavours.  Sylpheed, the vanilla version, and
Sylpheed-claws, the strawberry bleeding-edge version, which is actually
stable enough for my none-too-demanding needs.

> BTW -- why would using an X mail application exclude you from also running 
> mutt?

No, it won't. But it does pose a problem if you suddenly misconfigured
X. As a fall-back I began learning mutt ;-). You can run Sylpheed
alongside with mutt if you use the MH format for your mailbox. You can
even use Sylpheed as a popclient and mailfilter for mutt. The only
problem I've had is with rereading mail. Mail marked as read in mutt
doesn't appear as read in Sylpheed.

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  quotation:

> Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?

Yes, in Woody and Sid.

> BTW -- why would using an X mail application exclude you from also
> running mutt?

It's not so much "prevented" as "made sufficiently painful". I tried
using Sylpheed and mutt together several months ago, and at that time it
did not work well because Sylpheed and mutt used incompatible ways of
indicating that a message has been read. I would read messages in one
program, then run the other and see all those messages still marked as
new. That was too annoying for words, considering the amount of mail I
get every day. So, since I need a non-X MUA for ssh sessions from remote
locations over slow connections, I just stopped using Sylpheed.

Craig


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[moseley]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 09:33:55AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> 
> Sylpheed is quite nice. I don't use it myself because I don't want to be
> dependent on an X app to read my mail (I use mutt), but my wife switched
> to Sylpheed after we decided that Outlook Express was too dangerous, and
> she's quite happy with it.

Is there a debian package for Sylpheed?

BTW -- why would using an X mail application exclude you from also running mutt?

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Bill Moseley]

At 08:46 AM 02/24/02 -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
>> So, to start off with, I'm looking to make the transition to full-time
>Linux easy by finding similar tools to I'm used to using.
>[snip]
>
>Similarities can be confusing.  Maybe -- maybe -- you'd do better
>to accept differences, even seek them out.

Thanks for the advice.  I'll try to keep an open mind.  

>Another: vi.  It seems that many users are revolted by its modal
>character -- its refusal to behave like Word.  But black & white are
>easier to distinguish precisely because there are no shades of grey.

I have a color monitor, but thanks I'll keep that in mind.

It's hard to teach an old (really old) dog new tricks, especially when
one's trying to remain productive.  My goal is to find similar tools so I
can quickly transition to linux as a desktop and keep right on working.

But, I'll learn vim, I promise.  I used to use vi way back -- but that's
all there was then.  It sure was a lot easier than those damn punch cards.


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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Michael P. Soulier  quotation:

> Sylpheed is excellent I'm told. 

Sylpheed is quite nice. I don't use it myself because I don't want to be
dependent on an X app to read my mail (I use mutt), but my wife switched
to Sylpheed after we decided that Outlook Express was too dangerous, and
she's quite happy with it.

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Wendell Cochran]

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:38:37 -0800
> From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  
[snip]
> . . . Like many, I'm coming from a Windows environment.  I've got
> three linux machines under my desk and for a year now I've booted Win98
> used basically only browsers and Eudora (3.0) on my Win98 machine . . .

> So, to start off with, I'm looking to make the transition to full-time
Linux easy by finding similar tools to I'm used to using.
[snip]

Similarities can be confusing.  Maybe -- maybe -- you'd do better
to accept differences, even seek them out.

Example:  Some of the basic commands in Unix resemble those in the
WinDOSe
world, & I'm told that some users try to speed learning by aliasing rm
to del & so on.  However, Unix is _not_ DOS, & after the first dozen
commands or so things just don't work the same.

Another: vi.  It seems that many users are revolted by its modal
character -- its refusal to behave like Word.  But black & white are
easier to distinguish precisely because there are no shades of grey.

I realize that purely personal preferences may prevail, & what works
for me may not work for you.  Just so we keep in mind that such
things can be turned wrong side out.

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 23/02/02 Bill Moseley did speaketh:

> My head is swimming a bit trying to limit my choices of mail clients to test.

My personal preference is Mutt, but coming from browsers and Eudora, you
might want to try something simpler to begin with. 

Evolution is not ready, IMHO. Even at 1.0 subcomponents crashed on me
constantly. 

Sylpheed is excellent I'm told. 
Mozilla is at 0.9.8 and coming along to a 1.0 soon. Try downloading the
binary from mozilla.org and install into a subdirectory to play with. I don't
yet use the .debs for it but I will when it goes 1.0. 
KMail is an excellent mail client, and you don't technically need to run
KDE to use it, but you'll obviously need the base libraries. 
Text clients like Pine and Mutt require you to set up other components
like a local mail server, and preferably fetchmail and procmail. We'll help
you with that too, but you might want to try something more "windowsy" first. 

As far as text editors, I _highly_ recommend that you take the time to try
both Vim and Emacs, and pick one to specialize with. Text editing is far too
common a task to default to a notepad clone with. 

Hope this helps. 

Mike

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Patrick Kirk]

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 05:55, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> 
> > I was using RedHat 7.2 for a while and I actually liked the KDE setup,
> > although a bit heavy weight.  But I also like how light-weight of a setup I
> > now have with Debian.  (I suppose I'll need a desktop environment at some
> > point.)

xfce is a very nice lightweight desktop environment.  It uses a little
more horsepower than twm but not much as the code is based on twm.  I
only started using it yesterday but its nice and clean.  Intergrates
nicely with both kde and gnome though its a lot closer to gnome.
> 
[snip]
> > Evolution:
> 
>   Nice, although I hear it has a number of annoying bugs. Also it doesn't 
> seem to handle GPG/PGP very well. If you use KDE, prepare for the fact it 
> won't integrate at all.
Evolution is very nice.  It handles GPG perfectly but not PGP though
that could be becauses I haven't set the mime handler correctly.
> 
[snip]
> 
> 
>   Let me recommend KMail. It's light weight, has a nice selection of features 
> (including IMAP), a very nice contact manager, good speed on even very large 
> folders (I'm on the SuSE list, and it only takes a matter of maybe 10 sec. on 
> my old 450 MHz desktop for a 50,000 message folder to load). Small folders 
> are very responsive.
>   I moved from Outlook to KMail and I've been very pleased with it - it has a 
> great interface. Oh, and the filters are very good too!
Kmail is very nice.  It handles IMAP well though it doesn't have the
useful shortcut panel that Evolution does.  this matters if you have
more than one account.
> 
> > And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
> > Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
> > (pfe)?
> 
>   If you are looking for a text-based interface, I'd recommend nano (a "pico" 
> clone). For a GUI, Kate provides a very nice MDI interface, that seems like a 
> light IDE. I really like both of these editors a lot.
Agreed.
> 
> 
> > I'd also like to find a nice client like SecureCRT for linux.  Something a

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[M.Alberto]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 09:38:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
> Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
> (pfe)?
Don't waste time with emacs and vi. Try jed. It's the best console
editor for those are used to windows shortcut.

Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Sam Varghese]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 09:38:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> I was using RedHat 7.2 for a while and I actually liked the KDE setup,
> although a bit heavy weight.  But I also like how light-weight of a setup I
> now have with Debian.  (I suppose I'll need a desktop environment at some
> point.)

The Ice Window Manager is about as lightweight as they come.

> Evolution:

Still very buggy. Would suit people who actually like Ouchlook Express.

> Mahogany:

No idea.

> Aethera:

No idea.

> Balsa:

Very basic but does its limited functions well.

> Sylpheed: (which I just read about on this list).

Quite nice. Used and discarded.

Have a look at TKmail (http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~raines/tkmail.html)
and KMail.

Star Office has its own mail program as well.

> Also, on my home machines (I think) I'd like to switch to IMAP to make
> managing mail from different locations a bit better.  I know very little
> about IMAP.  Currently I think I've got about 50,000 messages in my Eudora
> folders, so I'm not clear if IMAP will be slow working with that many
> messages.

I used to love GUI mail programs but after using Mutt for about five
months, I wouldn't dream of going back. 

Sam
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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 09:38:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:

> Evolution:
  
  No comment other than lots of eye candy and resource demands.
  Several like it.  It and its brethren nautilus are just to
  resource intensive for my old hardware.
 
> Mahogany:
  
  No idea.

> Aethera:

  No idea.
  
> Balsa:

  Possibly dead?

> Sylpheed: (which I just read about on this list).

  Works pretty well.  Is fairly lightweight.  I noticed it leaks a
  significant amount of memory over time (days).  No idea about
  IMAP support (think it's supported, don't know how well).

Several people like kmail, I haven't looked at it in year(s). I've gone
back to mutt and VIM after playing with GUI's for a few months...

> And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
> Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
> (pfe)?

Too many possibilities.  I'm a VIM fan, so that's about all I can say...

> I'd also like to find a nice client like SecureCRT for linux.  Something a
> little more feature rich than xterm.

Which features are missing?

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Timothy R. Butler]

> I was using RedHat 7.2 for a while and I actually liked the KDE setup,
> although a bit heavy weight.  But I also like how light-weight of a setup I
> now have with Debian.  (I suppose I'll need a desktop environment at some
> point.)

  You might give KDE 2.2.2 (from unstable) a try. It feels much lighter in 
Debian than RedHat. The nice thing is you could stick to a very light weight 
KDE here - maybe just kdebase, konqueror, and konsole - or something like 
that.

> So, for graphical mail clients:  Knowing that I'm coming from a simple life
> with Eudora (and have never liked Outlook), any comments or simple
> overviews of the following:

  That makes things easier than for Outlook users...

> Evolution:

  Nice, although I hear it has a number of annoying bugs. Also it doesn't 
seem to handle GPG/PGP very well. If you use KDE, prepare for the fact it 
won't integrate at all.

> Mahogany:

  Can't remember why I didn't like this one - I think it's contact manager 
was too light for my taste, IIRC.

> Aethera:

  Personally, I see theKompany as a company without a clear vision. Aethera's 
latest beta is the buggest yet from what I have heard. It'd probably be wise 
to look elsewhere. This is a pure QT app now, it does not integrate with KDE, 
and Palm syncing requires a proprietary $10 product.

> Balsa:

  Fine, although like Mahogany if you want anything more then the most basic 
contact management, look elsewhere.


  Let me recommend KMail. It's light weight, has a nice selection of features 
(including IMAP), a very nice contact manager, good speed on even very large 
folders (I'm on the SuSE list, and it only takes a matter of maybe 10 sec. on 
my old 450 MHz desktop for a 50,000 message folder to load). Small folders 
are very responsive.
  I moved from Outlook to KMail and I've been very pleased with it - it has a 
great interface. Oh, and the filters are very good too!

> And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
> Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
> (pfe)?

  If you are looking for a text-based interface, I'd recommend nano (a "pico" 
clone). For a GUI, Kate provides a very nice MDI interface, that seems like a 
light IDE. I really like both of these editors a lot.


> I'd also like to find a nice client like SecureCRT for linux.  Something a
> little more feature rich than xterm.

  Well, if you want some kind of better shell, take a look at Konsole. It is 
nicely customizable, and you can run a bunch of sessions concurrently in one 
window. It works great.

  Best,
 Tim

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Mail clients (and text editors)

[Bill Moseley]

My head is swimming a bit trying to limit my choices of mail clients to test.

I'm wondering if someone can help narrow my choices.

Background: Like many, I'm coming from a Windows environment.  I've got
three linux machines under my desk and for a year now I've booted Win98
used basically only browsers and Eudora (3.0) on my Win98 machine, and
spent all day  with SecureCRT ssh'ed into my Linux machines and to other
machines I work with.

So, to start off with, I'm looking to make the transition to full-time
Linux easy by finding similar tools to I'm used to using.

I was using RedHat 7.2 for a while and I actually liked the KDE setup,
although a bit heavy weight.  But I also like how light-weight of a setup I
now have with Debian.  (I suppose I'll need a desktop environment at some
point.)

So, for graphical mail clients:  Knowing that I'm coming from a simple life
with Eudora (and have never liked Outlook), any comments or simple
overviews of the following:

I know it's a lot to ask, but please no flame wars on which client stinks
or is best.  I guess I'm looking for someone with a similar history as mine
that can say "try this", or "Evolution is cool, but it's too huge and slow..."

Evolution:
Mahogany:
Aethera:
Balsa:
Sylpheed: (which I just read about on this list).

Also, on my home machines (I think) I'd like to switch to IMAP to make
managing mail from different locations a bit better.  I know very little
about IMAP.  Currently I think I've got about 50,000 messages in my Eudora
folders, so I'm not clear if IMAP will be slow working with that many
messages.

And not related to email, anyone have a replacement suggestion (other than
Emacs ;) for my old basic friend on the windows side of Program File Editor
(pfe)?

I'd also like to find a nice client like SecureCRT for linux.  Something a
little more feature rich than xterm.

Sorry for the wide open question, but any pointers to reduce the time to
evaluate various mail (and other) packages will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


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Mail clients & Lock-in (was Re: What's a debian kid look like?)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:53:42AM +, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500
> 
> > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to
> > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the
> > business.
> 
> It is about *choice* not just your choice but that of others working in
> the company too. Imagine if each employee had a different opinion - there
> are a plethora of different OSs and MUAs out there - and if each employee
> was this dogmatic. 

Well...listen to yourself.

We're all shooting mail back and forth to each other, clients I've seen
include mutt, Evolution, MS Outlook, Mozilla, Eudoroa Pro, mh, and
others.  The client matters far less than the interchange format and
transmission standards.  Similarly, if you're dealing with text, HTML,
or SGML, your editor doesn't matter to the reader.

With a solid, implemented, calendaring standard, it really wouldn't
matter what clients users used.

Microsoft strives to take away this choice.  The classic text on the
topic is Varian & Shapiro, _Information Rules_
(http://www.inforules.com/).  The concept is called lock-in.  The issues
aren't dissimilar to those I've discussed regarding TexInfo.

> I am ICT Coordinator in a school, so I am in a position where I could
> move from Windows NT4/Windows 98 to a Linux solution, but I must
> consider the opinions, however misguided, of other users in the
> school. Democracy is like that. The majority opinion is in a great
> many cases not the best opinion.

The problem is the all-or-nothing nature of the change.

By moving MS Exchange out from under your communications system, you'd
liberate yourself of MSFT lock-in.  Users familiar with MS Outlook could
continue using it, or replace it with any of a wide range of legacy MS
Windows or GNU/Linux / Unix clients.

Peace.

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Re: configuring debian for network mail clients

[presi]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Carel Fellinger wrote:

I now there is gnupop-3d.
I used it and it worked quite good

> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 08:22:29PM -0500, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ...
> > What is the name of the debian pop package? I do not see one in the list
> > of packages. I do not want imap.
>
> "apt-cache search pop" will give pages full of packages,
> you'll have a little weeding to do though:), this will give you
> ipopd, cyrus-pop3d and qpoper to choose from. There may be more.
>
> > > to send mail via your debian box you need to tell exim it's okee to relay
> > > mail for your local domain (in particular for your wife's machine).
> >
> > What precise setting is that? I tried setting:
> >
> > relay_domains = verdi
>
> I think it needs a fully qualified domain name here, and its ip-nr should be
> knowable, either through bind or in /etc/hosts.
>
>

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Re: configuring debian for network mail clients

[Carel Fellinger]

On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 08:22:29PM -0500, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
> What is the name of the debian pop package? I do not see one in the list
> of packages. I do not want imap.

"apt-cache search pop" will give pages full of packages,
you'll have a little weeding to do though:), this will give you
ipopd, cyrus-pop3d and qpoper to choose from. There may be more.

> > to send mail via your debian box you need to tell exim it's okee to relay
> > mail for your local domain (in particular for your wife's machine).
>  
> What precise setting is that? I tried setting:
> 
> relay_domains = verdi

I think it needs a fully qualified domain name here, and its ip-nr should be
knowable, either through bind or in /etc/hosts.

-- 
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Re: configuring debian for network mail clients

[Dwight Johnson]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks for your reply.
 
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:33:58PM -0500, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> ...
> > When she tries to read her mail using Eudora, she gets a message that
> > her connection has been refused. When she tries to send mail, she gets
> > a message that she must change the address to one local to the debian
> > system (@runner) before delivery can take place.
> 
> to read mail via tcp from your debian box you need a pop or a imap deamon
> running on your debian box. Normally they are triggered from inetd.
 
What is the name of the debian pop package? I do not see one in the list
of packages. I do not want imap.

> to send mail via your debian box you need to tell exim it's okee to relay
> mail for your local domain (in particular for your wife's machine).
 
What precise setting is that? I tried setting:

relay_domains = verdi

(my wife's box is named 'verdi') and that had no effect -- exim on debian
still refuses to deliver mail that is not local.

Thanks in advance,
Dwight
> > (I think I remember setting this up in /etc/sendmail.cw on my Red 
> > Hat/sendmail
> > box.)
> 
> now you need to tinker with /etc/exim.conf, you could consider running
> eximconfig (again) and fill in the domain for which you are prepared to
> relay mail, or read in the excellent exim info pages to look for the
> settings for relayhost.
> 
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Re: configuring debian for network mail clients

[cfelling]

Hi Dwight,

read this on debian-user, but there was a different mailing-list
refered to in the To: header, so I'm cc-ing you/debian-user instead.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:33:58PM -0500, Dwight Johnson wrote:
...
> When she tries to read her mail using Eudora, she gets a message that
> her connection has been refused. When she tries to send mail, she gets
> a message that she must change the address to one local to the debian
> system (@runner) before delivery can take place.

to read mail via tcp from your debian box you need a pop or a imap deamon
running on your debian box. Normally they are triggered from inetd.

to send mail via your debian box you need to tell exim it's okee to relay
mail for your local domain (in particular for your wife's machine).

> (I think I remember setting this up in /etc/sendmail.cw on my Red Hat/sendmail
> box.)

now you need to tinker with /etc/exim.conf, you could consider running
eximconfig (again) and fill in the domain for which you are prepared to
relay mail, or read in the excellent exim info pages to look for the
settings for relayhost.

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configuring debian for network mail clients

[Dwight Johnson]

I must configure my debian box so my wife can read and send her mail
using Eudora from her Win95 box which is delivered to her mailbox
(/var/mail/user) on the debian box using fetchmail/procmail/exim.

Normal TCP/IP networking is already working on the network. The debian 
box is configured as an IP masquerading gateway to the Internet.

When she tries to read her mail using Eudora, she gets a message that
her connection has been refused. When she tries to send mail, she gets
a message that she must change the address to one local to the debian
system (@runner) before delivery can take place.

What process does Eudora connect to on the debian box and what 
configuration steps are required to activate the capabilities she 
requires?

(I think I remember setting this up in /etc/sendmail.cw on my Red Hat/sendmail
box.)

Thanks in advance,

Dwight

RE: mail clients

[Christian Dysthe]

Well,

there is one email client that will do most of what Outlook Express does.
XFmail. Not used alone though, but together with exim and fetchmail it works
great for me. I have two accounts dealt with fine using XFmail. Using filters,
and the option to set a custom "From" for every folder it is very easy to
run several accounts from this email client. Using XFmail's built in POP3 and
smtp is not a good idea since it won't send and receive in the background. But
letting exim do the mail deliveries it is a fast reliable solution.

The sad thing is that XFmail doesn't seem to be developed anymore. So if a coder
would take XFmail and bring it forward we WOULD have a decent X email client. 

On 22-May-99 Jim B wrote:
> Hi all.  Is there a good POP3 and/or IMAP4 client (console or GUI, doesn't
> matter) that supports multiple accounts with easy switching between them...
> and that can filter based on the "account" concept rather than just on
> headers?
> 
> If I'm not making sense, I'm looking for something for Linux that can do
> what MS Outlook Express can do.  Here's an example:
> 
> One account is username "joe" and another account is username "tom."
> 
> Someone sends to joe and the mail is filtered into his mailbox... meanwhile,
> tom's mail is filtered into his mailbox.  BUT, if someone BCCs joe, his
> username will not appear in the headers... therefore, header-based filtering
> will be useless.  The client needs to be able to filter the mail into the
> "joe" mailbox despite the fact that his address is not in the headers.  The
> idea is simple, it just needs to know "From what account did I download this
> message?" in order to be able to direct it appropriately, despite what may
> be in the headers of the message.
> 
> Anyone know of such a client?  Pine's "roles" don't cut it as a single login
> cannot access multiple e-mail accounts.  Also, procmail doesn't come into
> the picture because the filtering rules must be client-based so that all
> these mail accounts can be accessed from a single terminal login session,
> rather than by logging out and then back into another session.
> 
> Thanks!!!
> 
> 
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Re: mail clients

[Rob Browning]

Stephen Pitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> See /usr/doc/exim/filter.txt.gz
> It answered all of my questions.

See also "info exim-filter".

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Re: mail clients

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "SP" == Stephen Pitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

SP> Windows is designed for the causal user. That's great,
SP> initially. There is no learning curve,

Hahahahahahah.

Sorry. I work parttime on phone support to pay for my studies. I can
assure you, that a current Linux is no more complicated to learn than
Windows, when the user is new to computers.

"I just got your CD. What do I do now?" - "Well, you put it in your CD 
drive and start setup from the CD." - "How do I do this?"

Set someone (a relative or such) infront of windows 95 and tell them
to copy a file a textfile you have on the harddisk to a floppy. They
won't be able to do this. So far about "no learning curve".

Also users comming from Windows 3.1 can't use Windows95
initially. They have to learn *much* as well, as many things
changed. I also casually spek to them. Therefore you often still find
windows3.11 at work (at least here), even on new computers. It is
sufficient, it is what the employees know, the sysadmins know the
quirks of the different software acting together (win + lotus +
whatever), and you don't have to spend a huge amount of money to
teach them a new windows.

If you take a person, who isn't spoilt by windows paradigmen, and give 
hin/her a current Linux distribution, they won't have more problems
using it than windows. But they have to have someone to ask
questions. They will do this when then install windows as well.

Hmm, quite off topic now.

Ciao,
Martin

Re: mail clients

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "JB" == Jim B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dispite some vocal mails from other users, I have a simple solution
for you.

JB> Someone sends to joe and the mail is filtered into his
JB> mailbox... meanwhile, tom's mail is filtered into his mailbox.

No problem. postilion does this without any problems. You can have
local or remote folders (like pop3, imap), and for each folder, you
define name, emailaddress etc.

It has some other nice features as well.

Another option is to use fetchmail, and add an indication for the
mailbox you fetch to the program call in the mda option. This way you
have sorted them into different folders. Now you just need to use a
mail client that uses different identities depending on the folder you 
are in. AFAIK, this is no problem with mutt. Gnus, *the* news/mail
client, does this with ease as well.

Try the first suggestion first. If you want to try the second
possibility as the firstone doesn't fulfil your needs, I can get more
specific.

Ciao,
Martin

Re: mail clients

[Stephen Pitts]

On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:25:47AM -0400, Sean wrote:
> I've been wanting to set up fetchmail/exim/mutt but I've been having a
> hell of a time figuring out the syntax for the .forward file.  The docs
> talk about using the .forward file, but nowhere is there an example of
> what one should look like.
> 
> Sean
> 
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See /usr/doc/exim/filter.txt.gz
It answered all of my questions.
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Re: mail clients

[Stephen Pitts]

On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 10:01:10PM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 1999, Stephen Pitts wrote:
> 
> > Why not just have multiple instances of Communicator? It sounds to me
> > like you've become so attached to this particular piece of software
> > that you believe that you can't work any other way. Don't yell, I'm
> > not responsible for your problems. In the past, Linux users faced
> > with a problem have programmed around it. Thus, we have a dozen 
> > different window managers and a dozen different mail clients. But,
> > now, we are faced with a new group of users that whine all day
> > long, but don't lift a finger to solve the problem. What a shame!
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> 
> xfmail handles multiple pop3 accounts at the same time. I just tried that
> mahogany program ... caused me to loose about 2000 old messages ... gone,
> evaporated, dead.
> 
> It does not work well with any large mailboxes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
I tried TKMail a while back and I then realized how fast mutt opens
my 2000 message mailing list folders. Oh, well, good luck at finding
an email program that fits your needs. BTW, you can run programs as 
multiple users in one X session. Just do an "xhost +" in an xterm
as the user that started the X server. Then use "su username" to
switch to another user. Finally, run the mail program as another
user. That might be the best bet for your situation.
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Re[2]: mail clients

[Phillip Deackes]

John Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't want to break up this lively discourse but has anyone here
> tried
> the IshMail  Mail client? I am about to try it but want to know if
> there
> are homemade .debs around or if I will have to make them myself.

Yes, I use it all the time. I posted here and in the newsgroups about it
and I am beginning to feel I am in everyone's kill file or something!!

Ishmail is the *best* email app I have found for Linux - it does
everything I could possibly ask of it, and having read the thread here
would imagine it would be the one app to look at. I use fetchmail and
procmail and Ishmail to read the mail. Ishmail can work with the three
types of mailboxes, unix file, mh folders and MMDF. It can do things
like put different from headers on certain mails etc. etc. Nice
interface. The folder icons show whether new mail is available.

What is even better is that it is now free. H&L are folding and are
inviting applications for the source code.

Let me know how you get on with it!


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Re: mail clients

[Steve Lamb]

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>Have you tried running this under Wine?

Yes, doesn't install, doesn't run.


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Re: mail clients

[Jan Muszynski]

On 22 May 99, at 19:03,  Steve Lamb 
 wrote about Re: mail clients:

 
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> 
> A perfect example of this is PMMail98 on OS/2 & Windows.  Yeah, I know,
> Windows, GUI, ick.  But my point is not the GUI, not the mouse, not the
> keyboard, not the look but the underlying logic of how it handles seperate
> accounts as completely seperate entities within a single application.

Have you tried running this under Wine? That's probably what I'm 
going to end up doing, except that I run Pegasus, not PMmail98. I've 
heard reports that Pegasus runs fine under wine (although I haven't 
heard anything about the latest revision which includes IMAP). I 
haven't tried it yet for a number of reasons - I was hoping to find a 
'nix client that would match it in functionality - but so far no luck 
:(

Note that _if_ it does run *completely* under wine then it would give 
you the functionality you need/want.

 
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Re: mail clients

[John Foster]

I don't want to break up this lively discourse but has anyone here tried
the IshMail  Mail client? I am about to try it but want to know if there
are homemade .debs around or if I will have to make them myself.
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Re: Clean pipes (Was: mail clients)

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>In this case, I don't think you know what you are talking about. CNC does

Whoops, you're right.  I misunderstood what a friend of mine was showing
me.  :)

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Re: mail clients

[Steve Lamb]

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On Sun, 23 May 1999 02:06:13 -0400, Allan M. Wind wrote:

>2 is the better option, it doesn't look like mutt likes remote smtp
>servers but I could be wrong (just skimmed the docs).  There are other
>MUA that does (communicator for instance).

Now you're beginning to understand.  Now, let me show you what it takes
for me to do the same with an application that does multiple accounts.

NEW ACCOUNT
Set up incoming
Set up outgoing

The specifics are irrelevent, GUI or Test (I'd prefer text, personally)
you set up three things and you're done because the rest is assumed until
expressly said otherwise.

How would you filter the different account's mailing lists after
filtering them into individual folders? 

From what I can gather you need to set up filters for each mailing list,
which I have to do, granted.  Then you need to go into the MUA and set up the
account information there for that folder.  I don't need to do that, it is
assumed unless otherwise specified.

It is the little things like that which prevent me from moving over.  I'm
not saying it doesn't work for you, or others.  I'm saying it just doesn't
work well enough for me and others I have seen ask for it...  repeatedly.

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Re: mail clients

[Allan M. Wind]

On 1999-05-22 23:45, Stephen Pitts wrote:

> Why not just have multiple instances of Communicator?

That's trouble.  To my understanding there is only one lock file for
the .netscape directory which would render concurrent access either
inoperable or a disaster.

> Linux users faced with a problem have programmed around it.

This is what I would do (sendmail can do the + user thing easily
but I don't know if that'll work for other MTAs):

.fetchmailrc:

poll isp1
user user1
pass "secret1"
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d localuser -f localuser+user1"

poll isp2
user user2
pass "secret2"
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d localuser -f localuser+user2"

.procmailrc:

MAILDIR=some_path

* ^From localuser+user1
$MAILDIR/user1

* ^From localuser+user2
$MAILDIR/user2

For outgoing mail you have two options:

1. Send out mail for both accounts using the local MTA.
   This requires a broken MTA setup or that you specified
   that some user might set the from header.

2. Send out mail using local and remote MTA depending on user.
   You need a MUA that supports specification of both user
   and smtp server (and two config files for it).

2 is the better option, it doesn't look like mutt likes remote smtp
servers but I could be wrong (just skimmed the docs).  There are other
MUA that does (communicator for instance).


/Allan
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Re: Clean pipes (Was: mail clients)

[Steve Lamb]

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On Sat, 22 May 1999 22:23:24 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote:

>I think Concentric is in your area and their DSL will allow you to do
>this. 

Concentric gets their DSL through another company which does not.  Need
at least the 4th tier up at about $140/month to do it. 

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Clean pipes (Was: mail clients)

[Steve Lamb]

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On Sat, 22 May 1999 22:07:56 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote:

>Are you in the SF Bay area? (That Netcom comment led me to think so).
>idiom.com will sell you a clean pipe and a block of IP addresses. They
>were one of the few companies I found in the area that would do that for a
>dialup 24x7 account back before I got DSL. 

Nope.  I was up in Sacramento, now down in LA.  Most of the cable/DSL
solutions down here won't allow services for fear of the warez kiddies unless
you get their super expensive accounts, which is annoying for people who just
want to run their email server, a personal web server and be left alone.  :/

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Re: mail clients

[Pollywog]

On 23-May-99 George Bonser wrote:
> 
> xfmail handles multiple pop3 accounts at the same time. I just tried that
> mahogany program ... caused me to loose about 2000 old messages ... gone,
> evaporated, dead.
> 
> It does not work well with any large mailboxes.

I am using xfmail too.  I tried Mahogany Mail and had some problems with it,
but it is new, so I will keep trying new versions as they are released.
It complained that my Python is misconfigured, but Python is not absolutely
necessary so I won't worry about it.

--
Andrew

Re: mail clients

[Steve Lamb]

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On Sun, 23 May 1999 00:09:23 -0400, Jim B wrote:

>This is not about "what OS is for whom," "who is what kind of user," or
>anything like that.  The question is: "Does a client with these features
>exist for the Linux platform?"

No.

>If one does not, it would be nice if somebody made one.  It doesn't have to
>be any more complex an issue than that.

It would, but everyone is too stuck on continuing to point out half-assed
answers to even think that it would be nice.

>Until one does exist, I will continue to use Windows for my mail needs since
>it DOES have a client that fits MY needs (maybe not YOUR needs, but MY
>needs).  And, I will use Linux for everything else.  =)

Same here.  One of the last needs I *need* filled, PROPERLY, and they
keep handing me crap.  *sigh*  I wish someone would fulfill the joe contract
on the Software Bazaar so I can put up another one.

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