Re: What's a debian kid look like?
white male, 30 with too many years of school under my belt. MSc. in Marine Biology working on getting an independant web development company started. No kids. Volunteer designer for a Renaissance Faire. SCUBA, PERL, PHP, and am aiming to learn C++ soon. Started using LINUX for analysis of my thesis as windows just couldn't cut the data mangling needed. There is something pure about being able to crunch directories full of files and create a clean concise summary to be fed into SYSTAT when the rest of the lab was struggling to get it done with excel macros. Started off with Red Hat 4.1 and moved to debian::progeny this spring when i decided to make the windows half of my box run under VMWare. -dan -- o- o o o- -o- \ O -o><> o ><> WebRat \X\/ Dan Sabath><> o ><> Shrewsbury X [EMAIL PROTECTED] ><> (_/\_)><> Renaissance Faire / \www.concolor.org ==0) www.shrewfaire.com / \ www.peak.org/~kiyose www.shrewfaire.com/SHOH
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone > > > > to use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > > > business. > > > > I did not write that, it was written in a response to my email. > > > > Sorry, Erik. I thought I had sorted all the nested quotes and arrived at > the author of the quote - and this where we all correctly bottom-post. > Goodness knows how they do it where everyone top-posts! That's easy: I delete the posts ;-) And I won't say a thing, not a thing, about reposting articles to lists which shall remain nameless, formatted so that they're actually ***FUCKING READABLE***and taking the opportunity to replace "leader" with "monopolist" in "about Microsoft" portions of press releases. No, not a thing. > I assumed a single > before ' wrote' would match up to a single > > before a response. No. See above: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...the attribution line is the _current_ author's addition. So, I say "on date, foo wrote", but foo is quoted as "> what foo wrote". Above, Phillip wrote that Erik wrote > Maybe somewhere along the line the attribution got mangled. Looks like it was your doing. Your attribution lines themselves are wrapping, whihc may be part of the problem. > Then looking at your post I think I have got it wrong. No quote before > 'xxx wrote' matches single quote before comments. Yes. > I think I have eaten and drunk too much!! It could be worse. You could have drunk and eaten too much ;-) Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpLIAc5q19QX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Phillip Deackes wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:21:27 -0800 > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone > > > > to use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > > > business. > > > > I did not write that, it was written in a response to my email. > > > > Sorry, Erik. I thought I had sorted all the nested quotes and arrived at > the author of the quote - and this where we all correctly bottom-post. > Goodness knows how they do it where everyone top-posts! > > I assumed a single > before ' wrote' would match up to a single > > before a response. Maybe somewhere along the line the attribution got > mangled. Then looking at your post I think I have got it wrong. No quote > before 'xxx wrote' matches single quote before comments. that's right, and it makes sense because xxx wrote is not part of the quoted text (e.g. first line of my post which starts with Phillip... is part of my post, not part of message to which I reply to, which has one > in the beginning of the line). > I think I have eaten and drunk too much!! possibly:-)) but clearly not enough if you can formulate readable post on the next day... well, hooray for healthy life style:-)) happy holdays! erik
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:21:27 -0800 Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone > > > to use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > > business. > > I did not write that, it was written in a response to my email. > Sorry, Erik. I thought I had sorted all the nested quotes and arrived at the author of the quote - and this where we all correctly bottom-post. Goodness knows how they do it where everyone top-posts! I assumed a single > before ' wrote' would match up to a single > before a response. Maybe somewhere along the line the attribution got mangled. Then looking at your post I think I have got it wrong. No quote before 'xxx wrote' matches single quote before comments. I think I have eaten and drunk too much!! Take care. -- Phillip Deackes Using Debian Linux /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL AND NEWS / \
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Phillip Deackes wrote: > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > business. I did not write that, it was written in a response to my email. > It is about *choice* not just your choice but that of others working in > the company too. Imagine if each employee had a different opinion - there > are a plethora of different OSs and MUAs out there - and if each employee > was this dogmatic. I am ICT Coordinator in a school, so I am in a position > where I could move from Windows NT4/Windows 98 to a Linux solution, but I > must consider the opinions, however misguided, of other users in the > school. Democracy is like that. The majority opinion is in a great many > cases not the best opinion. choose an open standard which generally gives people most choices - which exchange is not (it depends how exactly you configure it though) > Are you like this when your company offers you a company car? Would you > resign because it was not the car you would have preferred? note that this is targeted to the guy who responded to me, not to me. in my opinion one should judge overall situation, not every little detail. I wouldn't go there working as mail server admin though:-) one serious problem is caledar functionality - if they would replace exchange by some other email solution how wold they achieve same calendar functionality? erik
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
* csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Monday 24 December 2001 11:19, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze > > > machines. > > > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free > > to get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage > > policies at their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a > > company that forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. > > Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access > (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? Yes and no. > I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, Pegasus, > AOL, etc. Are all these really crap? No. The problem is not that there isn't half-decent software for windows. The problem is that dumbed-down interfaces make it very difficult to set the thing up in a remotely sane fashion. IOW, it doesn't have to be One Microsoft Way, but when it isn't, it's uphill struggle all the way. As a result, majority of windoze machines are run by morons; most non-morons give up and switch to $FREENIX. Dima -- I have not been able to think of any way of describing Perl to [person] "Hello, blind man? This is color." -- DPM
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Age 64, retired CS Prof, PhD Math '65, 2 kids in their 30s, married the third time, happy this time, (15 years) musician (double bass) community orch, some attempted solo work. LOTS of cats. Computing began in 1957 with an IBM 650 borrowed for use by students night by Math and Stat Depts from the Dairy Herd Improvement Association at NCState, using SOAP, ForTransIT. I messed wtih fortran and basic over the years, then CS program started here in '78, I moved from math. There were retread CS courses at UTKnoxville in '82 Since them I have been teaching CS courses, and doing large amounts of reading to catch up and stay up. Dept acquired UNIX machines in 86, SysV.2 on 3b2 400s, SysV.4 in '92 on EISA 486 33's, Linux since 93: raw linux, then SLS then Slackware, Debian since 0.93. Ought to be an expert, but I had expert help from some friends, (Jim Bray mostly) and I spend too much time practicing that bass and writing books, reviewing texts and manuscripts on C++ to get really good at Linux, Debian in particular. Without this list and the help from you guys, I'd be less well off here. Thanks. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
I'm a 29-year old `kid', living in Belgium. I have a degree in engineering, but I'm now employed as an IT consultant. (Meaning: I write programs for use by large corporations.) I've been into computing since 1983, when my uncle bought me a ZX Spectrum. Later, I switched to an Atari ST, and finally ended up running Linux. I used Slackware for a while, but recently, I converted all my systems to Debian. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Work: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
Mail clients & Lock-in (was Re: What's a debian kid look like?)
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:53:42AM +, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > business. > > It is about *choice* not just your choice but that of others working in > the company too. Imagine if each employee had a different opinion - there > are a plethora of different OSs and MUAs out there - and if each employee > was this dogmatic. Well...listen to yourself. We're all shooting mail back and forth to each other, clients I've seen include mutt, Evolution, MS Outlook, Mozilla, Eudoroa Pro, mh, and others. The client matters far less than the interchange format and transmission standards. Similarly, if you're dealing with text, HTML, or SGML, your editor doesn't matter to the reader. With a solid, implemented, calendaring standard, it really wouldn't matter what clients users used. Microsoft strives to take away this choice. The classic text on the topic is Varian & Shapiro, _Information Rules_ (http://www.inforules.com/). The concept is called lock-in. The issues aren't dissimilar to those I've discussed regarding TexInfo. > I am ICT Coordinator in a school, so I am in a position where I could > move from Windows NT4/Windows 98 to a Linux solution, but I must > consider the opinions, however misguided, of other users in the > school. Democracy is like that. The majority opinion is in a great > many cases not the best opinion. The problem is the all-or-nothing nature of the change. By moving MS Exchange out from under your communications system, you'd liberate yourself of MSFT lock-in. Users familiar with MS Outlook could continue using it, or replace it with any of a wide range of legacy MS Windows or GNU/Linux / Unix clients. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpN3xYUL5xH1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
> Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access > (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? > I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, Pegasus, > AOL, etc. Are all these really crap? I didn't see the Microsfot logo in > the Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan movie. Eudora is quite nice actually..I use it when I'm there and like it very much..the light version that is :-) Lee
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > business. It is about *choice* not just your choice but that of others working in the company too. Imagine if each employee had a different opinion - there are a plethora of different OSs and MUAs out there - and if each employee was this dogmatic. I am ICT Coordinator in a school, so I am in a position where I could move from Windows NT4/Windows 98 to a Linux solution, but I must consider the opinions, however misguided, of other users in the school. Democracy is like that. The majority opinion is in a great many cases not the best opinion. Are you like this when your company offers you a company car? Would you resign because it was not the car you would have preferred? -- Phillip Deackes Using Debian Linux /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL AND NEWS / \
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
50. Typical North American mongrel, which is to say profoundly mixed, mostly western European ancestry. Husband and father, scouter, ham. Amateur philosopher in the true meaning of both. Closet linguist. I love to read, mostly speculative ficition. I like most kinds of music but especially blues and rock&roll. If you know the phrase "the blues had a baby and they called it rock&roll" then you know what I like. Summer of 1970 I took a short course called Intro to Computer Science. Didn't have sense enough to recognize a vocation when I saw one. Summer of '80 or '81 I paid way too much for a 32K TRS80. Then Coco, OS-9, DOS, Win3.1. Summer of '95 a friend gave me a Slackware CD and literally changed my life. Learned the hard lessons on Slack, got comfortable with SuSE, came home to Debian. Often spend too long doing things by hand, then find out that Debian has a script... Parlayed a ham ticket and a passing acquaintance with packet radio into a position in data communications at a power company. Parlayed that and a passing acquaintance with Linux into my current position. I tend a gaggle of Digital Unix boxes in the Energy Management System. Mostly sysadmin type stuff, a little perl, a little this and that. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
22, er, 32, er, 33 year old (how'd that happen?) WM. In the heart (pit?) of the Silicon Valley right now, a stone's throw from one of the first Internet nodes (SRI). Not likely to be found at this particular ICBM coordinate set much longer, though I'm likely to remain in northern California. User, some development, lots of systems and network administration. Professionally, my main computer gig has been SAS work (large scale proprietary enterprise reporting package), though I've been divorcing myself of that for the past few years, largely for the ways it doesn't resember GNU/Linux or free software in any meaningful way. Education. Um. They tell me so. BS Ag & Man Econ, UCDavis, on the "I'll take another" year plan. Despite that, a long-term interest in sciences (was originally a physics major) and computers (first experience was as a kid at the Lawrence Hall of Science computer labs, using what must've been early BSD or System 6, on teletype). But interests are eclectic: history, biology, information theory, semiotics, ecology, and others. Smattering of German, less French, and minimal Spanish. Offline: swimming and biking (nationally ranked as a young'un, 200 & 400 medley relay), backpacking & peak bagging (Sierras), travel (AU, NZ, and an x-country US roadtrip in the past year, also a few EU trips). Classical and jazz, though I typically listen to NPR these days. Commercial radio sucks, and TV isn't worth the time. Politics/Religion. Hmmm..."Church of the Third Law" applies to both. If you've not heard of Ursula Hegi's _Stones From the River_, read it. Her experience is similar to my mother's -- childhood in WWII Germany, emigrated to the US, raised a family here. First heard her on a radio interview about four or five years back, it was an epiphany. Other strong influences include Mancur Olsen's _The Logic of Collective Action_, and anything written by Lawrence Lessig. Not left or right. Firm belief that large pools of low entropy are inherently dangerous: tall buildings, large crowds, nuclear power, comprehensive databases, absolute power, monopolies. Seek the mean, keep energies and potentials balanced. Bipolar constructs are inherently more stable than monopolar (hegemonical) ones, and multipolar (diversified) structures better than both. That's not total anarchy -- nexuses of power or control within a larger pool are OK, and virtually requisite. Above all else: pragmatism, though not without a measure of idealism. Strong interest in legal and structural issues within free software, and the interplay of these and the technology. Peace, and best $MIDWINTER_RITUAL wishes to all. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpPGLwrUA3fg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 16:54, Brian Nelson wrote: > > No matter what OS platform you have to use for your job, there is no > excuse to ever use a broken MS mailer. Hopefully no one on this list is > ignorant enough to argue that any MS mailer is even halfway decent or > acceptable to use. You can use mutt in cygwin, or Mozilla Mail, or > whatever. There are plenty of superior alternatives. If your company > is fuxored enough to *require* you to use an MS mailer (with all the > outlook viruses and other broken behavior), then why the hell are you > working for them? > Have you ever used CC-Mail If you had you would be begging for outlook! Actually come to think it to hell with workthe kids can look after themselves while I go and find a real job. -- Nic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Public Key: http://www.nscompservices.demon.co.uk/gpg-key.txt PGP/GnuPG Key ID: 0xD0ACB097 Fingerprint: 2E50 6E43 CF85 763A C2C4 C3BA F341 D3E4 D0AC B097
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson wrote: > > > > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0101 +0100]: > > > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last > > > > time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html > > > > poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even > > > > better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful > > > > answer that was worth reading? > > > > > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze machines. > > > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free to > > get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage policies at > > their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that > > forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. > > > > In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up > > with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and > > therefore I choose to ignore them. > > choice of email client is not the only factor in choosing the job. No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the business. > e.g. at my job we do all the development on solaris but outlook is the > only suported email client (they don't even offer pop3 anymore). I don't > see it as a reason to quit. would you? Yes, but I suppose my priorities are different. > I lobby for using better tools here and there (I have other thing to > do on my job as well:-) but changing email for a company of 200.000 is > not that easy. And that's why you'll never find me working in a large company... -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
I have to use windows cause i have a crappy winmodem,but as soon as a new release of debian will appear i'll burn the cds and put a nice deb server at home.. yeah,outlooku is crap.Eudora is very nice,The Bat and Pegasus too..Calypso also.. c yah. At 04:51 AM 12/25/01 +0800, csj wrote: On Monday 24 December 2001 11:19, Brian Nelson wrote: > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze > > machines. > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free > to get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage > policies at their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a > company that forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, Pegasus, AOL, etc. Are all these really crap? I didn't see the Microsfot logo in the Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan movie. BTW, Happy Holidays! -- Sir Isaac Newton: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator Canad Systems Pitesti Romania, http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+4048220044, +4048206200
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, I use Eudora on doze and have been doing for the last 5 years. In that time I've never had a virus on my PC. I am gettng for Christmas a new pooter to install debian on (yay!) which will be the first time I have had a machine with enough space to really use as a desktop machine and I may move my mail onto that as the virii and worms seem to be getting nastier and perhaps there will be a time when using Eudora won't be enough to keep my doze boxen safe. Rachel
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Monday 24 December 2001 04:37, Geoff Ludwiczak wrote: > 17, male, english, still going to high-school, learning how to do > things the "debian way", hacking C programs, writing php, and > learning more about computers in general > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 08:20:32PM +, Aniartia wrote: > > 22 y/o Fem, English, single mother of 1, Free-lance Audio & Comp > > Techi. with NVQ > trades also part-time 'Working Assistant' at Cambridge Uni (cleaner > > of equipment that they don't let a normal cleaner have the key to > > the room it reside in), dyslexic, Amiture Astromer, cyclist & likes > > to design & TRY to make things (note: the TRY is very important :). 30-something, vegetarian. Functionally unemployed. -- Sir Isaac Newton: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Monday 24 December 2001 11:19, Brian Nelson wrote: > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze > > machines. > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free > to get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage > policies at their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a > company that forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, Pegasus, AOL, etc. Are all these really crap? I didn't see the Microsfot logo in the Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan movie. BTW, Happy Holidays! -- Sir Isaac Newton: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
It was said on this list: Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free to get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage policies at their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. Are jobs that plentiful where you live that you are able to dictate the working conditions to that degree? In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and therefore I choose to ignore them. I sense a disturbance in the pond, but hey, it's your time and you can do with it as you choose. -- Andrew
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Brian Nelson wrote: > > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0101 +0100]: > > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last > > > time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html > > > poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even > > > better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful > > > answer that was worth reading? > > > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze machines. > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free to > get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage policies at > their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that > forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. > > In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up > with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and > therefore I choose to ignore them. choice of email client is not the only factor in choosing the job. e.g. at my job we do all the development on solaris but outlook is the only suported email client (they don't even offer pop3 anymore). I don't see it as a reason to quit. would you? I lobby for using better tools here and there (I have other thing to do on my job as well:-) but changing email for a company of 200.000 is not that easy. erik
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 10:19:41AM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: | martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | > also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0101 +0100]: | > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last | > > time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html | > > poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even | > > better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful | > > answer that was worth reading? | > | > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are | > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze machines. | | Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free to | get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage policies at | their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that | forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. Yeah, I've certainly got dozens of companies just begging to hire me. I do need to eat, ya know. | In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up | with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and | therefore I choose to ignore them. Actually, I think they must have more spine than you, if they can work all day in MS then work all night without pay to make debian for you. It would be easier for them to give up and use windows at home too. -D -- Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips. Proverbs 14:7 The wise in heart are called discerning, and pleasant words promote instruction. Proverbs 16:21 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.1754 +0100]: > You can use mutt in cygwin, or Mozilla Mail if you have read/write access to the system... i know companies that operate on terminal server principle, or that lock down workstations to the point of no return. still, i even worked at one of those, and i loved my job! granted, there is always some way to get a console login through ssh :) > > but my ideal job doesn't deal with computers anyway... > > Yes, but we all can't be porn stars, can we? :) i won't take that as an offense, you funny character. :) -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] heisenberg may have been here. pgp1PQsYjp4vn.pgp Description: PGP signature
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martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.1619 +0100]: > > In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up > > with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and > > therefore I choose to ignore them. > > i don't want to be on the side arguing for windoze, but there are jobs > which require windoze because of certain software, or because the > infrastructure was a given and there weren't enough resources to > switch. in the end, micro$oft is inherently bad, but you can still > secure even a micro$oft net. I realize sometimes you'll need to deal with Windows for a job. I do some software development for Windows at my job. And, my procmail filter only filters out emails with HTML content or headers identifying the mailer as a Microsoft mailer (OE and Outlook). No matter what OS platform you have to use for your job, there is no excuse to ever use a broken MS mailer. Hopefully no one on this list is ignorant enough to argue that any MS mailer is even halfway decent or acceptable to use. You can use mutt in cygwin, or Mozilla Mail, or whatever. There are plenty of superior alternatives. If your company is fuxored enough to *require* you to use an MS mailer (with all the outlook viruses and other broken behavior), then why the hell are you working for them? > > Come on, where are your morals? > > i didn't say i was that way, but to be quite frank with you, if i had > a job that i loved, then i wouldn't switch to another one because of > the software employed. surely, using micro$oft will significantly > diminish the love for the job, but my ideal job doesn't deal with > computers anyway... Yes, but we all can't be porn stars, can we? :) -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.1619 +0100]: > In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up > with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and > therefore I choose to ignore them. i don't want to be on the side arguing for windoze, but there are jobs which require windoze because of certain software, or because the infrastructure was a given and there weren't enough resources to switch. in the end, micro$oft is inherently bad, but you can still secure even a micro$oft net. > Come on, where are your morals? i didn't say i was that way, but to be quite frank with you, if i had a job that i loved, then i wouldn't switch to another one because of the software employed. surely, using micro$oft will significantly diminish the love for the job, but my ideal job doesn't deal with computers anyway... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "this week dragged past me so slowly; the days fell on their knees..." -- david bowie pgpfqdWe0qTpd.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Monday 24 December 2001 09:19 am, Brian Nelson wrote: > In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up > with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and > therefore I choose to ignore them. And in my not so humble opinion anyone arrogant enough to judge to whole world sight unseen is not worth listening to and therefore I choose to ignore them. plonk. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
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martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0101 +0100]: > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last > > time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html > > poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even > > better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful > > answer that was worth reading? > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze machines. Assuming most of us live in so-called "free" countries, we are free to get another job then. Or, lobby to change the brain-damage policies at their work. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that forces their workers to use broken, dangerous software. In my not so humble opinion, anyone that is spineless enough to put up with working in a forced MS environment is not worth listening to, and therefore I choose to ignore them. Come on, where are your morals? > > If you want to waste your time, go ahead and answer stupid > > questions. I see no reason to waste my time reading or responding > > to such worthless noise. > > oh my. thank you ever so much, oh you high mr. nelson, for taking the > time to participate in this thread... You're welcome. I'm always glad to contribute. :) -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0101 +0100]: > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last > time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html > poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even > better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful > answer that was worth reading? it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze machines. > If you want to waste your time, go ahead and answer stupid > questions. I see no reason to waste my time reading or responding > to such worthless noise. oh my. thank you ever so much, oh you high mr. nelson, for taking the time to participate in this thread... this is ridiculous! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "we should have a volleyballocracy. we elect a six-pack of presidents. each one serves until they screw up, at which point they rotate." -- dennis miller pgpK9C8CklXuI.pgp Description: PGP signature
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you're all right.. lets drop the subject and focus on debian.. i think of converting all my redhat isp servers on debian :))) wish me luck.. At 02:44 PM 12/23/01 -0600, Jor-el wrote: On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > So, what are you doing here? > > He shouldn't be here, so make him go away with procmail: > > :0 > * ^TO_debian > * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) > /dev/null > > I never saw his noise until you quoted it... > Brian, Now thats plain mean. There are lots of polite folks deserving of answers, who post to this list from Microsoft platforms. Dont throw out the baby with the bathwater. Regards, Jor-el -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator Canad Systems Pitesti Romania, http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+4048220044, +4048206200
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right on.. On 23 Dec 2001 at 16:50, MH wrote: > "Jeremy" == Jeremy L Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeremy> Who gives a fuck what everybody on the list is like? You Jeremy> have hundreds, probably thousands of people on this list Jeremy> so chances are good all aspects of covered. This crap is Jeremy> sooo far off-topic I almost can't even spot the messages Jeremy> in my Outlook Express Inbox. Hell, this message I'm Jeremy> replying to sounds like some damn personals ad. Let's Jeremy> drop this thread already and get back to answering the Jeremy> most basic questions these morons who can't read Jeremy> documentation ask. So, what are you doing here? -- (Dr.) Michael Hummel mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fprint = F24D EAC6 E3D7 372C 9122 D510 EB24 01CA 0B56 B518 id: 1024D/0B56B518 key: http://www.seitung.net/key Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator, Canad Systems Pitesti Romania http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel:+4048220044,+4048206200
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Thought I'd throw in mine: 40 - ack thpt! - yr old ex actor and present poet. Separated from second wife; no kids but a seeming multitude of cats. Have an M.F.A. in acting and a Ph.D. in Dramatic Arts ... by all rights, I should presently be teaching Theatre at some fine institution of higher learning but it just didn't happen. Instead, I started writing (I can't in all honesty say 'designing') websites back in 1995, which was my first contact with anything UNIX-y and with the idea that a computer could be more than a souped-up typewriter (despite my early love of the sciences and one assembly-language class back in high school in the mid-70s). Tried Linux, out of sheer massed interest, in late 1998 ... went from Slackware to SuSE to Debian, which I love for its purity and ease of use. I'm also running and greatly enjoying FreeBSD. Employed as an E-Business Manager at The United Way of New York City -- unfortunately an all-Windows house. Linux opened the box at my feet and showed me its wonders like nothing else before or since.
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dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 07:01:16PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: > | Jor-el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | > On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > > | > > :0 > | > > * ^TO_debian > | > > * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) > | > > /dev/null > | > > > | > > I never saw his noise until you quoted it... > | > > > | > Brian, > | > > | > Now thats plain mean. There are lots of polite folks deserving > | > of answers, who post to this list from Microsoft platforms. Dont throw out > | > the baby with the bathwater. > | > | Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last time a > | question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html poster that > | couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even better, when's > | the last time one such user offered an inciteful answer that was worth > | reading? > > Hall Stevenson is just one example of a debian-user who uses Outlook > (at work). He has asked questions that aren't in the FAQ or archives, > and has provided good answeres too. Poor guy, though you can only work so long for a company that forces its workers to use such crap. He'll come around eventually. -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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Cam Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Jor-el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last time a > > question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html poster that > > couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even better, when's > > the last time one such user offered an inciteful answer that was worth > ^ > > Sure do like those Freudian slips! ;-) > > > -- > Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. ^ Heh, figures you'd catch that... > From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 07:01:16PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: | Jor-el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: | > > :0 | > > * ^TO_debian | > > * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) | > > /dev/null | > > | > > I never saw his noise until you quoted it... | > > | > Brian, | > | > Now thats plain mean. There are lots of polite folks deserving | > of answers, who post to this list from Microsoft platforms. Dont throw out | > the baby with the bathwater. | | Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last time a | question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html poster that | couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even better, when's | the last time one such user offered an inciteful answer that was worth | reading? Hall Stevenson is just one example of a debian-user who uses Outlook (at work). He has asked questions that aren't in the FAQ or archives, and has provided good answeres too. -D -- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. -- Dave Parnas
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* Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Jor-el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last time a > question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html poster that > couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even better, when's > the last time one such user offered an inciteful answer that was worth ^ Sure do like those Freudian slips! ;-) -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jor-el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > So, what are you doing here? > > > > He shouldn't be here, so make him go away with procmail: > > > > :0 > > * ^TO_debian > > * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) > > /dev/null > > > > I never saw his noise until you quoted it... > > > Brian, > > Now thats plain mean. There are lots of polite folks deserving > of answers, who post to this list from Microsoft platforms. Dont throw out > the baby with the bathwater. Sure, and someone else can answer them. Besides, when's the last time a question was asked by a Microsoft mailer user or an html poster that couldn't be found in a FAQ or google search? Or, even better, when's the last time one such user offered an inciteful answer that was worth reading? If you want to waste your time, go ahead and answer stupid questions. I see no reason to waste my time reading or responding to such worthless noise. -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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On 23 Dec 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > So, what are you doing here? > > He shouldn't be here, so make him go away with procmail: > > :0 > * ^TO_debian > * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) > /dev/null > > I never saw his noise until you quoted it... > Brian, Now thats plain mean. There are lots of polite folks deserving of answers, who post to this list from Microsoft platforms. Dont throw out the baby with the bathwater. Regards, Jor-el
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17, male, english, still going to high-school, learning how to do things the "debian way", hacking C programs, writing php, and learning more about computers in general On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 08:20:32PM +, Aniartia wrote: > 22 y/o Fem, English, single mother of 1, Free-lance Audio & Comp Techi. with > NVQ 'Working Assistant' at Cambridge Uni (cleaner of equipment that they don't > let a normal cleaner have the key to the room it reside in), dyslexic, > Amiture Astromer, cyclist & likes to design & TRY to make things (note: the > TRY is very important :). > > Ani > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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22 y/o Fem, English, single mother of 1, Free-lance Audio & Comp Techi. with NVQ
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Hi! 26 years, german, student of computer science at university, scuba diver. I run linux because of its beauty ;) in contrary to Windows. Debian, because it doesn't bother me with bad working tools for dummies. -- Markus Grunwald Registered Linux User Nr 101577 http://counter.li.orghttp://www.grunwald.2xs.de
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MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Jeremy" == Jeremy L Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Jeremy> Who gives a fuck what everybody on the list is like? You > Jeremy> have hundreds, probably thousands of people on this list > Jeremy> so chances are good all aspects of covered. This crap is > Jeremy> sooo far off-topic I almost can't even spot the messages > Jeremy> in my Outlook Express Inbox. Hell, this message I'm > Jeremy> replying to sounds like some damn personals ad. Let's > Jeremy> drop this thread already and get back to answering the > Jeremy> most basic questions these morons who can't read > Jeremy> documentation ask. > > So, what are you doing here? He shouldn't be here, so make him go away with procmail: :0 * ^TO_debian * (^X-Mailer:.*Microsoft|^Content-Type:.*html) /dev/null I never saw his noise until you quoted it... -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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also sprach Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.23.1138 +0100]: > Who gives a fuck what everybody on the list is like? i think more will worry about the choice of language, so please restrain yourself! > This crap is sooo far off-topic I almost can't even spot the > messages in my Outlook Express Inbox. there are a lot of problems you seem to have... but hey, even outlook express can delete messages that match a certain subject line. or you could get a real MUA which can handle mail the way you want it, not the way the clowns in redmond force you to... > Hell, this message I'm replying to sounds like some damn personals > ad. Let's drop this thread already and get back to answering the > most basic questions these morons who can't read documentation ask. here's the solution: unsubscribe. we don't want people like you on this list! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] stay the patient course. of little worth is your ire. the network is down. pgpboXBoIXiW7.pgp Description: PGP signature
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> "Jeremy" == Jeremy L Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeremy> Who gives a fuck what everybody on the list is like? You Jeremy> have hundreds, probably thousands of people on this list Jeremy> so chances are good all aspects of covered. This crap is Jeremy> sooo far off-topic I almost can't even spot the messages Jeremy> in my Outlook Express Inbox. Hell, this message I'm Jeremy> replying to sounds like some damn personals ad. Let's Jeremy> drop this thread already and get back to answering the Jeremy> most basic questions these morons who can't read Jeremy> documentation ask. So, what are you doing here? -- (Dr.) Michael Hummel mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fprint = F24D EAC6 E3D7 372C 9122 D510 EB24 01CA 0B56 B518 id: 1024D/0B56B518 key: http://www.seitung.net/key pgpNqvGRQsf9q.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Who gives a fuck what everybody on the list is like? You have hundreds, probably thousands of people on this list so chances are good all aspects of covered. This crap is sooo far off-topic I almost can't even spot the messages in my Outlook Express Inbox. Hell, this message I'm replying to sounds like some damn personals ad. Let's drop this thread already and get back to answering the most basic questions these morons who can't read documentation ask. Geez. j. -Original Message- From: Paul Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 3:47 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: What's a debian kid look like? 59, male, married, three grown kids, American of Welsh and English descent living in Tucson, Arizona, U.S.A. Actively play flute, clarinet and saxophone, classical, jazz and shows. Metaphysically oriented and on "Eastern" spiritual path. Don't get too close to conventional religions. BS Math, took all courses for BS Elect.Engr. Formerly Scientific Programmer at observatory for 17 years on mainframes and minicomputers. Wrote the first Forth system for HP mini's. Now consulting mostly doing software development using mostly C++ and Pascal. Teach programming part time at community college. Used Unix in 70's. Been using M$ OS's for about 16 years Installed Debian on this machine about 6 months ago dual boot with Windows 2K finally spending more time on the Debian (woody maybe headed toward sid) side for the last two weeks. Hope to use Wine to move my development Windows development software over soon. I have always been aware of the many well thought out principles of *nix based software and am excited to be able to use them. Actively involved with Tucson Computer Society advocating open source software. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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59, male, married, three grown kids, American of Welsh and English descent living in Tucson, Arizona, U.S.A. Actively play flute, clarinet and saxophone, classical, jazz and shows. Metaphysically oriented and on "Eastern" spiritual path. Don't get too close to conventional religions. BS Math, took all courses for BS Elect.Engr. Formerly Scientific Programmer at observatory for 17 years on mainframes and minicomputers. Wrote the first Forth system for HP mini's. Now consulting mostly doing software development using mostly C++ and Pascal. Teach programming part time at community college. Used Unix in 70's. Been using M$ OS's for about 16 years Installed Debian on this machine about 6 months ago dual boot with Windows 2K finally spending more time on the Debian (woody maybe headed toward sid) side for the last two weeks. Hope to use Wine to move my development Windows development software over soon. I have always been aware of the many well thought out principles of *nix based software and am excited to be able to use them. Actively involved with Tucson Computer Society advocating open source software. Paul Scott
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:24:53AM -0500, Matt wrote: > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. > > Crushing realities like, "Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me > from the rest?" > > Controversial questions like, "Will I ever meet more than 1 or 2 female > Debian users who are active on mailing lists? Am I a Microsoft-branded > pinko 'cause I like open-source?" > > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? > > I'll try to break the ice a bit: white male, 22, Canada, FineArts ex-pat > turned CompSci near-grad, downtempo and raregroove on the weekends, > csound, php and java development on the weekdays. Left-leaning (Harpers, > not New Republic), piano-playing, community-oriented, social. Curious > why so many people use RedHat. > > (Just an experiment) > > cheers, > Matt > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] im 19, male from the Philippines. i like rock music(anything actually except pop), and im pretty good in balancing my geeky side and my "social life". Im interested in Operating Systems, knows c++,perl,vbasic(duh!),java. i am a former mandrake user and now a Debian advocate. Why people love MS so much? -- "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --Sherlock Holmes _The Sign of Four_
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on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 08:20:57PM -0800, Paul Mackinney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'd love to find a local Linux group and meet people in person. Tried > BAD once, very nice people, but by the end of the night I felt like > the only person in the crowd who hadn't ever written a device driver. > I'll try again sometime when they meet in the north bay, would also > like to hear about other local groups. I don't know what counts for "local", but if you're in the SF Bay Area, you've got plenty of pickings. Starting where you're at, there's a Cal Berkeley LUG. BAD meets at various locations (last was at Cafe Boronne, a stone's throw from my apartment, after nobody had announced a location up through the day prior and, ahem, someone took charge ;-). BALUG meets in San Francisco, Chinatown, reachable via BART and either a bit of a hike, or Muni. SVLUG meets in San Jose monthly. Rick Moen's BALE page lists any number of events, typically more than one per day. http://www.linuxmafia.com/bale/ I've seen people trekking from Santa Cruz and Davis to various events, regularly. And despite your impression of BAD, I suspect you're not as poor a fit with the group as you think you are. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgp0jbMT0nGy4.pgp Description: PGP signature
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37 and working as a sysadmin, alas, have yet to convince management of debian merits. My real professional interest is mathematics with particular interest in algebraic geometry and number theory. Looking to get back into this as I did my Ph.D in this. Oh, btw, I am a member of the human speciesnot sure sure everybody else is considering the plausibility of the tv show Second Wave...any Gua on the list ;-) -walter
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Phillip Deackes wrote: ... > comformity within X and how silly things like copying and pasting works > between most apps but not others, or how I can't get the Euro symbol did you try xcutsel? erik
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On Wednesday 19 December 2001 04:24, Matt wrote: > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least > compared to those who don't. 31 years old single white male from Argentina, Systems Engineer, some years developing in Visual Basic, DB2, C, Java, etc, recently unemployed. I enjoy very much various kind of music, from ethnic to punk to pop rock to tecno, I hope some day I'll learn to play guitar decently. Also lots of reading, mostly latin american and european literature and some sci-fi and fantasy. Many years playing role playing games both in table and by mail. Linux is a good alternative for developing countries who cannot afford the expensive licenses of propietary software, specially in areas such as government, education and health. I started using Debian some 16 months ago, after trying for a while another distros such as Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSE. Hard to learn but you get the guts of the thing. Currently searching for a new job or, in the worst case, for a new country where to live in (some 20% unemployment rate here and getting worse). Cheers, Daniel -- "There is no spoon..." - The Matrix
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 December 2001 7:24 am, Matt wrote: > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. UK, age 50 - been in the business for 30 years - now do non technical work at work so "play" at home. - -- Alan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Iylu1mf3M5ZDr2kRApmaAKCbJOcjlqTR4yT7h9X272mMJFW5FACgrxKH yQh80ztf2qiqAAG+Jy5QfYI= =OyBP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Wednesday 19 December 2001 09:24, Matt wrote: 31 years old male, married + 2 dogs, living in Israel. Programmer for both windows and Linux(PHP,Oracle,PostgreSql,MySql, Delphi/Kylix,C,C++). System administrator (Novell, Windows, Linux). Own a development, consulting and support company. Play the guitar. Doing 3D graphics and animations with Gimp/Blender (learning Blender as I write this). Like to watch and play basketball, read sci-fi. Like to listen to Rock and Metal. Used (and still using) many computers and OS's, to name a few - OS/2, Windows (all version) . Linux : Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake. Used LinuxFromScratch for several months (great learning experience) - worked great but the maintenance is a killer. Tried Debian and liked it. I'm using Debian Sid in workstations at home and at the office. Using potato for servers in out office, in addition to SuSE, Mandrake and two servers one with Novell and the other Win2000 (relax - they're used only for support :-) In Israel I'm considered Left wing because of the support in the peace process (which unfortunately seems dead for now :-( ). Well that's enough about me. -- Meir Kriheli > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. > > Crushing realities like, "Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me > from the rest?" > > Controversial questions like, "Will I ever meet more than 1 or 2 female > Debian users who are active on mailing lists? Am I a Microsoft-branded > pinko 'cause I like open-source?" > > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? > > I'll try to break the ice a bit: white male, 22, Canada, FineArts ex-pat > turned CompSci near-grad, downtempo and raregroove on the weekends, > csound, php and java development on the weekdays. Left-leaning (Harpers, > not New Republic), piano-playing, community-oriented, social. Curious > why so many people use RedHat. > > (Just an experiment) > > cheers, > Matt
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:48:59 -0800 Cam Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Matt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > them but using them all the same. I grabbed OS/2 when Warp came out -- > always had an aversion to M$ -- and hung onto that until a little after > slink came out; then I made the switch to Debian, though I had > considered BSD (before I got into OS/2, which I still like), and also > Slackware, which looked like too much work. I too arrived at Debian via OS/2. I really miss it though - I know it is still around, albeit only just. I wish IBM would release the OS/2 GUI for Linux. I like Linux, but I am exasperated sometimes by the lack of comformity within X and how silly things like copying and pasting works between most apps but not others, or how I can't get the Euro symbol despite having followed advice from others who have achieved it, or how I sometimes get silly little boxes instead of fonts - again I have followed advice from all quarters - xfs on, xfs off, changing lines here, changing lines there. Exasperating describes Linux well! -- Phillip Deackes Using Debian Linux /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL AND NEWS / \
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. FWIW, I'm a 22yo male, single, Christian. BSc (Comp. Sci), studying Grad Diploma in Info Tech. I live in Brisbane, Australia. I installed my first Linux System in 1997 (Debian) on a 486 with no Net and no CD. I downloaded all the packages I wanted on my Mac and copied them onto floppies for transfer! That was painful! A few months later the HD crashed, so to avoid that slow process again, I bought a cheap RedHat CD and borrowed a friends CD drive. I gave up on RedHat around 7.0 and returned to Debian, and haven't looked back! I also run an OpenBSD firewall/gateway/proxy. I do coding in C/C++, Java and shell. I've also done Python and Ada as well as Prolog, Haskell, MIPS assembler, and a little Lisp at uni. I'm learning Perl and PHP at the moment. I'm also doing some work at the moment using C# and .NET. In my spare time, I play too much HL/CS/Q3A. I also like to read, write, watch movies, ski, drive, sleep, and just go out with my friends. Craig -- Craig Holyoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uq.net.au/craigh/
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Australian, 21 years old, of equally mixed Tongan and Scots descent. Computer science undergrad (got into my course on the strength of my English and Literature marks, though, heh heh. Hooray for bizarre statewide marking systems! :). Happy hip-hop, electronic and rock fan. Like Python a lot, but mostly program in C for school. Student of Shintaiikudo karate. Left-leaning. Intimidated by crowds. Mostly amiable. Done :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
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* Matt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. > I/O psychologist (I help organizations select and develop managers and executives), 56, married, two soccer-playing and bright kids, sing when I can, which is unfortunately seldom, go kayaking when I can, live in the best place in the world even though it means a 2-hour commute by ferry to work, first machine I ever saw was an IBM 1620 (in 1962 -- it was a pretty hot machine then), got to play with one a few years later, writing octal machine language programs on punch cards (anyone following UserFriendly? I could have been Sid), graduated to punched paper tape on a PDP-8, but never really got into serious coding though I worked as an operator for a while. Got into PCs in the early 80s, not focusing on them but using them all the same. I grabbed OS/2 when Warp came out -- always had an aversion to M$ -- and hung onto that until a little after slink came out; then I made the switch to Debian, though I had considered BSD (before I got into OS/2, which I still like), and also Slackware, which looked like too much work. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On 2001.12.21 01:38 Akintayo Holder wrote: Almost all Linux s/w [free and commercial] run on redhat and most support it. IOTW, there are rpms for Yahoo's IM but no debs True, so I used Alien to make a deb from an rpm for Yahoo Messenger. Yahoo Messenger ran on my laptop just fine, but locked up my desktop almost every time. I have no idea why this happened, since both machines were using Debian unstable. RH is easier to install by FAR RH is 'easier' to use. More people use it therefore there are more sources for assistance. This is a big concern when you are trying to get your modem to work. Yes it is easier to install but after that you find out why they call it Red Hat ;) -- Andrew
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Black Guyanese {West Indian/South American} - English Speaking
24 yrs Software Developer ~ 6mths
Socialist/Idealist, Antisocial
Music: Reggae, Soca, Rap
Debian ~ 1 1/2 yrs started w 2.2r2 -> Sid
Linux ~ 4 1/2 yrs started w Redhat 5.2
Why People choose RedHat ?
Redhat is better in quite a few areas.
Almost all Linux s/w [free and commercial] run on redhat and most
support it. IOTW, there are rpms for Yahoo's IM but no debs
RH is easier to install by FAR
RH is 'easier' to use. More people use it therefore there are more
sources for assistance. This is a big concern when you are trying to get
your modem to work.
Sorry, but I couldn't resist
> I feel the urge to challenge the use of skin color as a
> significant defining element of personnality. To us Europeans, this is
> very alien.
Tsk, tsk. The first step is admitting the problem.
National Front 15% 1997 Parliamentary elections - France
Race 'segregation' caused riots [BBC 11/12/01] - England
--
There are two ways of constructing a software design; one way is to make
it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way
is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The
first method is far more difficult.
-- C. A. R. Hoare
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 09:34, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2001, Matt wrote:
>
> > Debian people believe in the GPL,
>
> Not all of them. Some find it overly restrictive and prefer to use BSD,
> Artistic license etc. Code I write usually goes under the Crowley Public
> License ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the license")
>
Good point. I just read over some of the licensing stuff over at
FreeBSD. Interesting..
> Definitely. But if you pardon me going back into politics for a minute,
> the difference between our community and communism is participation is not
My communism references were not based on fact nor on my actual
opinions. I was just ruffling some feathers on the list after things got
too political for my liking. The whole notion of "left," "right,"
"pink" and rhino bugs me, especially when in reference to open source.
Most people who get real mad about such things don't really understand
contemporary politics anyway. And you're absolutely right -- free and
community, not mandatory participation.
> > the restrictions of commercial software licenses
>
> Again not necessarily or to different extents. Some people would lie to
> see non-free software banned by law. Others (like me) have all kinds of
> non-free stuff installed and see no problem with it coexisting with free
> software.
Again, I agree with you. There is a place for commercial software.
However,generally speaking many of the licenses of major software
products go further than they have to (Microsoft, Adobe, Apple are all
guilty as charged.
> > and freedom of expression.
> > Nothing more (well, sort of) and nothing less.
>
> For some reason people have this stereotype of Debian and Debian people.
> As your mini-poll shows there is actually an immense amount of diversity
> out there.
My simple community sum-up was meant to highlight just that -- the
impossibility of defining Debian people, despite a set of relatively
uniform values that most (active) users of the OS share.
> Tenacious D.
Good call. :)
cheers,
Matt
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53 y/o kid (male), Registered Nurse (currently on strike), no computer education, but I got the "bug" when I bought my kids their first computer in the mid 80's. Apple IIE. I learned Linux with Debian (hamm), tried Redhat a couple of years ago, but got too confused over where the config files were. All my cds are of Dave Matthews Band, enjoy science fiction books/movies. I'm between religions at the moment, and am apolitical. John -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Sig space for rent _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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"Dan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: What's a debian kid look like? >> Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:24 PM >> Am I a Microsoft-branded >> pinko 'cause I like open-source?" Wow! I have to admit, Matt did a great job - he made all the information necessary to get on a decent list available without a dime. :-) anyway, I'll submit some, too: white male, 32, no kids, wife, comp-addict, early adopter, educated, some money, non-computer-job, oh, and *european* :-) -- Tschoe,http://gecius.de/gpg-key.txt - Fingerprint: Jens 1AAB 67A2 1068 77CA 6B0A 41A4 18D4 A89B 28D0 F097 pgpxr2TF9mpCy.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-- > From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: What's a debian kid look like? > Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:24 PM > Am I a Microsoft-branded > pinko 'cause I like open-source?" There's worse things to be branded. White male, 66, Oregon, college but no degree (and not especially sorry), amateur scientist/innovator, independent left social activist, new here and pre-new to Linux. This was one of the few posts I can fully understand. I'm trying to get Debian going on my laptop that someone gave me for parts. Debian because another friend reccomended it, Linux (w/o GUI) because MS systems get ever more complicated, consumerist and update-dependent. I tend to think Linux was designed by nerds (you'll agree?) but also for nerds. But with Linux I hope to be able to eventually learn to correct the many deficiencies I find in most programs, or at least to talk about them to someone who might listen, and go beyond that to writing socially meaningful software. I only recently moved from DOS (and CPM not so long ago) to W95, and still wish there were more up-to-date DOS programs available. Dan Robinson 541-465-4790 350 Pearl St. #1105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eugene OR 97401 http://www.efn.org/~danrob/ My "Golden Rule" (based on versions from several cultures): "Think of yourself not as just an individual, but as part of all the partnerships and communities to which you belong, including humanity, with their gains and losses as your gains and losses. Love thy neighbors.
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23 year old American male, college student, Psychology major (I intend to be a psychotherapist), have always been a computer geek (though not quite a hacker; I've played around with C, C++, and Python a bit, but don't have time to become really proficient). Linux became my primary OS the day I first tried it, with RedHat 5.2 a few years ago. I switched to Mandrake later when their 6.0 version came out, and then was disgusted enough by the bugs (and curious enough about apt-get) to try Debian. I haven't performed a new installation of Linux since I installed Debian over a year and a half ago. I also converted my girlfriend to Linux a couple years ago, and we're both happy sid users. (And my gf, bless her heart, converted her college's student-run webserver from RedHat to Debian potato.) -- Thomas J. Hamman "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." -Galileo Galilei
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Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Controversial questions like, "Will I ever meet more than 1 or 2 female > Debian users who are active on mailing lists? I have my girlfriend using Debian, though I haven't gotten her on the mailing lists yet. Maybe someday I'll help get that total to 2 or 3... > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? > > I'll try to break the ice a bit: white male, 22, Canada, FineArts ex-pat > turned CompSci near-grad, downtempo and raregroove on the weekends, > csound, php and java development on the weekdays. Left-leaning (Harpers, > not New Republic), piano-playing, community-oriented, social. 24 yo, B.S. in Mechanical Engineering (Cornell), born and raised on Cape Cod, MA, USA. Currently living in Seattle, telecommuting for a tiny gas turbine consulting firm writing multi-platform software (using Qt at the moment). Been using Linux since '95, though I've only been using it exclusively for about a year (damn Doom, Quake, Warcraft 2, Diablo, Starcraft, Asheron's Call addictions throughout college). Other stuff... Instruments: guitar, learning piano Music: Radiohead License: GPL Politics: completely against anything known as "politics" in the US, anti-corporate, _No Logo_ > Curious why so many people use RedHat. I'd say mostly because of marketing and reputation. To most commoners, Redhat == Linux. It's gotten a lot of press and has a decent corporate reputation. It's the distro everyone has heard of. It's supposed to be "easy to use". Also, RPM's are everywhere; Redhat is the target platform for most commercial Linux software. To the outsider, it appears to be the most supported distro. -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
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Male, age 37, married, 5 children, electrical engineering Ph.D., data compression research, LDS church member, scoutmaster, English native tongue, reasonably fluent in Spanish, hobbies of skiing and waterskiing (although no time to do them), debian user for about 1 year, RedHat and Solaris x86 user prior to that, employed doing research and related programming, mostly C, desktop and embedded processors. Subscribed to debian-user a few months ago to get help recovering from an unsuccessful upgrade on 'testing' and switch to the 'stable' debian distribution (problem resolved successfully in a few days - it was lilo-related). Veering a little off-topic: I read an article last night that I think gives some insight into why debian-user is successful. It appears some people actually study such things! The article citation is: N. Kock, "Compensatory adaptation to a lean medium: An action research investigation of electronic communication in process improvement groups," IEEE Transactions on Professional Communication, vol. 44, no. 4, Dec. 2001, pp. 267-285. Here's my "article report" (similar to the book reports I always hated in school - somehow I developed a bit of a taste for it, I guess!): A dominant theory in the area of computer-mediated communication research is known as "media richness theory", and classifies the various means of communication on a scale from "rich" to "lean". Examples are face-to-face meetings as the ideal rich medium, and e-mail lists as a rather lean medium of communication. "Media richness theory hypothesizes that lean media are not appropriate for knowledge sharing ... and claims that the selection of media and the outcomes of its use will always reflect this hypothesis." The particular study found an apparently-contradictory result, however. The study dealt with fairly small groups organized for 10-45 days in order to make suggestions of how to improve processes within their organizations (which were a business and a university in New Zealand). Participants had been involved in earlier process improvement groups using face-to-face meetings and the researcher helped them (an approach known as "action research") to replace the physical meetings with e-mail ones. The author did in-depth interviews after the groups concluded their work to gather evidence in the form of perceptions of group cost, group knowledge sharing, group outcome quality, and group success. He concluded that the group work had been better in all four ways, and gave two points of explanations. The first was that the group members adapted to compensate for the leanness of the medium. The second involved the motivation to compensate, which he suggested came from "social norms associated with group-based process improvement tasks, which led to social influences, such as perceived group mandate and expected behavior by other ... group members, that were conducive to compensatory adaptation." Basically, in the case of e-mail which is written, vs. more media-rich vocal means of communication, I think this quote from one of the interviews sums up the situation quite well: "When I write, my thinking process from formulating the ideas in my head to getting them down becomes more elaborate. I have to take much more time over that than I would if I was speaking. I think that, because one is forced to do that by writing the answer down, then the written answer you get is much more focused. So I think that is an advantage. It requires more time from the participants, because they have to focus their writing, but, as a result, you get [better individual contributions]." A primary conclusion was that "electronic communication tools used to support groups do not have to be much more sophisticated than simple email list servers as long as there are social (or perhaps financial) factors in place that motivate group members to compensate for the leanness inherent in the electronic communication media used." He mentioned a few limitations of the research, such as the possibility that unexpected consequences may happen (for example, "one possible negative consequence is avoidance by group members to participate in future electronic groups after their initial experience, as they become increasingly aware of the extra effort required from them."). I hope someone else finds the above interesting (I've spared you many details). Over the last few years I've been impressed with how effective e-mail and newsgroups, combined with search tools have been. In the case of debian, the process improvement goal is to get the most out of one's computer hardware by using free software. Regards, Kris Huber
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:24:53AM -0500, Matt wrote: > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL$ P+++$ L+++$>$ E- W--(++) N o+ !K w--$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI D G e* h r% y+ -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss
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American male, born 25 years ago. Living in and detesting San Francisco. Working for a research skunkworks attached to a New York hedge fund. I like to refer to them as the East Coast banker fuckbags. Married, no kids. I like to hack audio hardware but lately I've noticed that everything requires a microcontroller, so even my hardware projects turn into software projects. I code C, C++, Perl, Java, PPC asm, and PIC asm. Used Slackware Linux from 1995-2001 before switching to Debian. -jwb
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| Crushing realities like, "Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me | from the rest?" | | IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? | 31 year old european-american male, wife, 3 kids, mortgage. I am employed with dual purpose as Accounting Manager and ERP Systems Admin. Educated (two bachelors degrees [Finance, Real Estate and Land Use Economics], Master of Business Administration, working on a Master of Computer Science. I like Sci-Fi, U2, beer (preferably Coors Light, but any beer will do in a pinch). I am an idealist and anarchist (i.e., things ought to be as they ought to be, no BS) and I like a good argument. I can be arrogant and single minded, etc; but I'm usually right :). Member of a progressive Missouri Synod Lutheran Church (yes, it can happen) including Praise Team and Praise Choir. I don't believe in either emacs or vi, I still use pine and pico. As for programming, I can do C, C++, Java, VB; but my opinion is that if you can't do it in C it can't or shouldn't be done.
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37 years old, male, outside Chicago, 2 kids, professional web developer (PHP mostly) and network monkey. Run all sid machines and mostly for desktop use ... sadly I find stable to be too stable, as in *old* most of the time so I run FreeBSD on platforms that need to be stable -- perhaps not politically correct viewpoint for this list, but it's the way I see the world;) Politically I'm close to being a libertarian -- I look like a republican on fiscal, foriegn policy and taxation matters, but I like my civil liberties and oppose the usual social-agenda of the republicans. I'm a mutt/procmail/fetchmail/exim mail guy, vim for editing, kde and windowmaker depending on my whim and the horsepower of the machine. > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. -- Hank Marquardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://web.yerpso.net GPG Id: 2BB5E60C Fingerprint: D807 61BC FD18 370A AC1D 3EDF 2BF9 8A2D 2BB5 E60C *** Web Development: PHP, MySQL/PgSQL - Network Admin: Debian/FreeBSD *** PHP Instructor - Intnl. Webmasters Assn./HTML Writers Guild *** Beginning PHP -- Starts January 7, 2002 *** See http://www.hwg.org/services/classes
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21 y.o. male and recent Mandrake convert. Currently employed as a developer in the south eastern U.S. but formerly lived in South America, where I learned Spanish. (Computer) languages used at job include c/c++ and perl, for the most part. Musical interests range from the Gin Blossoms and Sarah McLachlan to Bruce Dickinson and Cubanate. Recently started collecting (mostly out-of-print) CDs by Klay Scott (Circle of Dust/Argyle Park/etc). In my spare time I usually read (currently working on CS Lewis' Space Trilogy) and watch movies (recently got into anime).
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:24:53AM -0500, Matt wrote: | Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I | know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be | interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared | to those who don't. computer geek, likes the *nix architecture, ;-) American, 21, Software Engineering Major (4th year, 5-year program), New York (state), I plan to enter full-time ministry after I graduate -D -- Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. Proverbs 16:3
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On 19 Dec 2001, Matt wrote:
> Debian people believe in the GPL,
Not all of them. Some find it overly restrictive and prefer to use BSD,
Artistic license etc. Code I write usually goes under the Crowley Public
License ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the license")
> the power of community,
Definitely. But if you pardon me going back into politics for a minute,
the difference between our community and communism is participation is not
mandatory. A freedom I cherish as a Linux developer is the freedom to not
give a flying ferrets fundament what the community wants if I think
otherwise. (Of course if you don't like that you are equally free to take
the code and make it do what *you* want. Everybody wins.) I especially
detest the armchair generals on slashdot etc. Back when I started using
Linux there was definitely an ethos of "put up code or shut up" and I'd
hate to lose that as Linux becomes more of a product.
> the restrictions of commercial software licenses
Again not necessarily or to different extents. Some people would lie to
see non-free software banned by law. Others (like me) have all kinds of
non-free stuff installed and see no problem with it coexisting with free
software.
> and freedom of expression.
> Nothing more (well, sort of) and nothing less.
For some reason people have this stereotype of Debian and Debian people.
As your mini-poll shows there is actually an immense amount of diversity
out there.
Oh btw, I'm 30 years old, born in England to Gujarati parents, now living
in the USA. Married, with one brand new baby girl. Been using Linux for
8 years, Debian for 5. My noatun playlist indicates I'm currently
listening to Iron Maiden, Radiohead, Ozzy, Kraftwerk, Steely Dan, and
Tenacious D.
--
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/
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Greetings, Green hemaphrodite 453 years old. Home is half a dozen light years from the Earth. Enought off-spring to populate three planets (and have done so!). Master of all I survey. Enjoys temporal dynamics theory, invading solar systems and embroidery. also I find I am quite taken with Debian. Zob Zob XIV A Starship Luna-syncronous orbit on the far side of your moon
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Hi, White-(indian),male, 30 , 5'10", working as a computer programmer at Model Engineerig College, Cochin, Kerala, India - where stallman visited a few months back during his India tour. Fell in love with computers at the age of 15. What I saw through the "Windows" was my world until 1997. Wore a "Red Hat" for 3 Years and 6 months from 1997, only to throw it away in july 2001 when I installed my first Debian GNU/Linux system.( Potato 2.2) Months passednow our institution has a web server, an email server, a squid proxy server and an ftp server all running Debian 2.2 for the past six months with a very few reboots. Our institution now has about 50 PCs all running debian 2.2 with icewm. Interested in photography and watching people. Likes cooking, but a poor eater ( weighs just 50 Kg). Tt.
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On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 08:44, Phillip Deackes wrote: > OK, male, 44 years old, British living in the UK. We usually don't feel > the need to explain the colour of our skin Very clear trend here, and every time I read '$age years old $color american' I feel the urge to challenge the use of skin color as a significant defining element of personnality. To us Europeans, this is very alien. While I'm at it : 25 years old, European citizen of French nationality, married, telecom and Internet strategy consultant and project manager, graduate degree, spends too much time toying with computers and networks, moderate centrist. Interests: obsessing about technological artefacts, playing strategy games against friends, operational art and tactics, adventure travel (41 countries so far including 17 african countries), history, sociology and geopolitics, too much reading (both web and dead tree), martial arts, the great outdoors (walking, biking, rollerblading)... pgpbgYsLebUDW.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, Single white male, 33, systems admin at a small financial services company here in the island Republic of Cyprus in the Eastern Medirerranean. About to complete the process of moving most services and networking at my workplace to Debian GNU/Linux, with office users on Windoze accessing a Samba server. Would be over the moon with joy if I could get some office application under Linux to read M$ Word and Excel files written in Greek characters, because then I could flush M$ completely out of the company and have done with viruses, crashes and users installing silly software. I am in the happy position of being able to take most decisions in my area (OS/network) myself, and have the support of the company's financial controller who is tech-aware and now also a Debian fan. I bet that makes most of the sysadmins on the list envious... Absolutely delighted with Debian, and love the mailing lists too. Nothing easier than keeping a Debian machine current with all the security updates and stability patches. I keep everything on stable, with the exception of my personal workstation which runs testing. My bosses also love the stability and performance improvement of our systems since the switch to Debian. Hated computers until doing my B.Sc. in Physics at Imperial College in London in '91-'95, where I found a cluster of DEC Alphas running mostly GNU software in the second year lab. Heve been a GNU addict since. Eventually Linux saved me from the drudgery of earning my living by teaching Physics to rude teenagers who hate learning in general and learning Physics in particular. Have written some half-decent ISDN setup scripts and ipchains firewalling scripts, but generally can't program to save my life. I have no interest at all in computer games. Own four Alfa Romeos from '96 to '79, one in very nice condition, one being restored to even nicer condition, one long-term restoration project (read disaster area) and one complete but immobile, with a questionmark hanging over its future. Have a big record (LP, not CD) collection, mostly classical. Latest read: Cliff Stoll's "The Cuckoo's Egg" (am I the last person on the list to read this?). Mess about with antique/high end audio: turntables, valve (I think you call them tubes in the States) amplifiers, reel-to-reel tape decks (big fan of Revoxes), electrostatic loudspeakers and the like. Best regards, | | | George Karaolides 8, Costakis Pantelides St., | | tel: +357 99 68 08 86 Strovolos, | | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicosia CY 2057, | | web: www.karaolides.com Republic of Cyprus | | | | Please note Cyprus telephone area codes have changed; see above. | On 19 Dec 2001, Matt wrote: > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. > > Crushing realities like, "Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me > from the rest?" > > Controversial questions like, "Will I ever meet more than 1 or 2 female > Debian users who are active on mailing lists? Am I a Microsoft-branded > pinko 'cause I like open-source?" > > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? > > I'll try to break the ice a bit: white male, 22, Canada, FineArts ex-pat > turned CompSci near-grad, downtempo and raregroove on the weekends, > csound, php and java development on the weekdays. Left-leaning (Harpers, > not New Republic), piano-playing, community-oriented, social. Curious > why so many people use RedHat. > > (Just an experiment) > > cheers, > Matt > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Afrikaans speaking male - 50 years old. Living near Cape Town, South Africa and working in Stellenbosch. D.Th - degree (Theology). Due to financial problems of the congregation where I was a church minister, they could no longer employ me. Now I am working as ftp-adminstrator. I am married and have 4 children. Using LateX, postgresql, glade, python, ocaml etc. Johann -- Johann Spies Telefoon: 021-808 4036 Informasietegnologie, Universiteit van Stellenbosch "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name JESUS; for he shall save his people from their sins."Matthew 1:21
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(Lance SImmons :Fiu!!! Seven !), we have two (male and female). I'm 37, i.e. married, sofware engineer in an government organization (Malaga, Spain), Iyengar yoga, footing, mountain bike, reads 'every readable thing', watch DVD's by Nvidia TV-out ripped's with transcode :-), LEGO Mindstorms, user & developer (C++, Python, glade, postgresql, ...) > -Mensaje original- > De: Lance Simmons [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enviado el: jueves 20 de diciembre de 2001 0:12 > Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Asunto: Re: What's a debian kid look like? > > 39-year old white male, Texan, professor, Ph.D. in Philosophy, user not > developer, submit bug reports and sometimes suggest packages for > adoption. Spend most time in textmode using mutt, vim, LaTeX, ogg123, > nget, w3m, mplayer. In X, use ion, gkrellm, galeon, pan, LyX. Catholic, > married with (so far) seven children. Recently began playing Doom. > > -- > Lance Simmons > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OK, male, 44 years old, British living in the UK. We usually don't feel the need to explain the colour of our skin, but I am white. I am a teacher in a 10-14 high school in Leicestershire. I used to teach French, but am now Head of ICT. Have dabbled with many Linux distros but found the Debian branch some time ago. Looking forward to Xandros Linux. I have no programming or other coding experience apart from writing some very basic bash cripts for my box. Politically very anti control by others who grant themselves the authority to control - government or school authorities! -- Phillip Deackes Using Debian Linux /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL AND NEWS / \
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White male, 43, wife, daughter, Berkeley, by-his-bootstraps SQA for 10-years, seeking refuge & promise of a more interesting career in the ICS masters program at Mills College, progressive politics, Christian pacifist (Quaker). Enjoy listening to KPFA, going to hear folk music at Freight & Salvage in Berkeley, and playing chess (www.pogo.com addict). I'd love to find a local Linux group and meet people in person. Tried BAD once, very nice people, but by the end of the night I felt like the only person in the crowd who hadn't ever written a device driver. I'll try again sometime when they meet in the north bay, would also like to hear about other local groups. On the "Why RedHat?" topic, here's a true story: A friend is a freelance database developer. He bought a new multimedia PC. Couldn't get peripherals to work w/Debian (I gave him a Potato CD), spent $90 on SuSE, installed, is totally delighted. Personally, I've tried RedHat, Slackware, and Debian, had some exposure to SuSE. RedHat and SuSE are very big and feature rich. If they work great on your system, you're delighted, but they can be hard to customize. If they don't work, good luck. I abandoned RedHat after my 7.0 system was hacked by script kiddie. I really like Slackware, I still use their emergency boot floppy in preference to others, but only Debian has this user group. -- Paul Mackinney | Who profited from Sept 11? [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.copvcia.com/
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Mr Iehrenwald, Your rant isn't what this thread is about. We're talking about Debian users, like myself and presumably you. Not whether those white males among them should be responsible for anything, or whether "Ted Kennedy" deserves me. :) Man... drop those lines on alt.welovedubya instead, please. [MORE IMPORTANTLY] 1. Much of what Debian is about is being open to all views and people; 2. If you read the Debian Social Contract your anti-"left" views might get rattled by its "pinko nature" and "community values"; 3. Get a life. The whole notion of "left" and "right" is bogus anyway. Debian people believe in the GPL, the power of community, the restrictions of commercial software licenses and freedom of expression. Nothing more (well, sort of) and nothing less. Leave the gun-toutin' politics at the door and maybe.. just maybe.. the other guys you're battling will leave their revisionist pamphlets too. cheers, Matt > > I am a white 22 year old very very far to the left debian user and though > > I am not personally responsible,people of my race ARE responsible for much > > of the world's woes. White males like : John Zerzan, Wendell Berry, Howard > > Zinn, and myself told ME so -- > > Oh, OK. Boy was I wrong! We should all pay dearly for other peoples > fuckups, right? Screw you, buddy. Just because someone thought it was a > good idea to buy and sell people 200 years ago doesn't mean that I should > be paying for current day people's food stamps and hair extensions and > press-on finger nails. Black reparations? Suck me, you lefty jackass. > You and Teddy Kennedy deserve eachother. > > > Tom, who is looking forward to a time when we have all f*cked race out of > > existance. > > Ian, who is looking forward to a time when leftists are shipped off to the > places they so religiously defend; then they find out the areas really ARE > shitholes. > > Consider this a reminder that not everyone that uses Linux is a Communist > long-hair who is hell-bent on destroying the "evil" USA. You dripping > sack.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Oh, OK. Boy was I wrong! [etc.] I think the last thing we need on debian-user is a political flamewar. It probably would have been tactful for Tom not to go into such detail about his political views, but at least he was civil about it, which can't be said for your response, sadly. (And btw I don't agree with Tom's statements either, so this is not one far-leftist trying to cover for another by changing the subject.) Craig
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32...volitaile personality...sensitive one minute, outrageous and warlike the next. the four food groups are cheese, chocolate, beer, and coffee. x-men, rugby, hockey, mr. bungle, frankie bones, guitar, Half-Life (no doubt), Godflesh, gina gershon... intergalactic mercenary, iron chef, enjoys the company of wild women and wild animals :) life is like a salad bar... take what you want and leave the rest? HELL NO! take all the finger jello...it makes a funny sound when you smack it against the table top :) assume an 'attitude' of prayer and remember that you're lucky to live in this country (do i think it's the greatest? yes i do) where you can believe in and talk about, think about, write about any thing you want. i think that is probably the greatest thing in the world...and if you don't like it, KISS MY WHITE-ARYAN-IRISH-INDO-EUROPEAN-GUINNESS-DRINKIN'-ARSE!!! and no, i'm not a nazi...so shut up... you are free...live life like you have one... hax on, hax off... oh yeah...debian is pretty cool too... :) -jeff -- Q: Why did the lone ranger kill Tonto? A: He found out what "kimosabe" really means.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Thomas Hallaran wrote: > I am a white 22 year old very very far to the left debian user and though > I am not personally responsible,people of my race ARE responsible for much > of the world's woes. White males like : John Zerzan, Wendell Berry, Howard > Zinn, and myself told ME so -- Oh, OK. Boy was I wrong! We should all pay dearly for other peoples fuckups, right? Screw you, buddy. Just because someone thought it was a good idea to buy and sell people 200 years ago doesn't mean that I should be paying for current day people's food stamps and hair extensions and press-on finger nails. Black reparations? Suck me, you lefty jackass. You and Teddy Kennedy deserve eachother. > Tom, who is looking forward to a time when we have all f*cked race out of > existance. Ian, who is looking forward to a time when leftists are shipped off to the places they so religiously defend; then they find out the areas really ARE shitholes. Consider this a reminder that not everyone that uses Linux is a Communist long-hair who is hell-bent on destroying the "evil" USA. You dripping sack.
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52 year old white male. A couple of years of college; mispent youth in the wilds of Alaska; electrician for many years; reader; birdwatcher; outdoorsman. I was a latecomer to computers, but have worked off and on doing tech support. I am running a straight sid machine. I really enjoy playing with operating systems and software, though I don't do any programming. I appreciate the ease of downloading and wide selection of software that Debian gives me. -- Dan Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bigfork, MT.
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Male, 45 years old, mixed heritage (African American, Jewish, Native American, Chinese). Been programming 20+ years, mostly C/C++ on Windows. Recently (1 year ago) focused on Linux and now doing Linux development for work as well (consulting). Married, 3 kids, living in Indiana though a native of New York City. Progressive politically. Like to ride my motorcycle on warm days. Read science fiction, science fact, philosophy, current events, technical stuff, novels of all sorts. BA degree in Anthropology. Like the blues, blues/rock like Blues Traveller, Dave Matthews Band, Better Than Ezra. Also what I call head/rock like Pink Floyd. A lot of other music; I'm all over the place (classical, r&b, everything but country). -- Eric Brooks | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.dimension11.net pgpXNBGRTOGAf.pgp Description: PGP signature
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This debian kid: I am a 22 year old programmer working at the Washington University Genome Sequencing Center in St. Louis. I do my work in perl, c, and php. The GSC is almost exclusively a perl shop. The GSC has been a bastion of Sun Microsystems since it's inception but lots of linux/intel machines have been showing up recently. Outside of work I do tech stuff at the St. Louis Independent Media Center [www.stlimc.org], Read, participate and plan political actions , and try to eat stuff that tastes good and is good for me. I run competitively, rock climb, hike, and have worked for entire growing seasons on organic farms. I am in the process of moving into an urban housing collective in St. Louis and generally consider myself anarchist and primitivist with a paradoxical addiction to digital technology. I love free software and wish that there was more free hardware. ;) The 'digital divide' bothers me and I am VERY interested in getting something like the Yellow Network Coalition [http://www.ync.org] going in St. Louis. I am currently listening this stuff mostly: Ani Difranco's new album "revelling and reckoning" Radio Head "Kid A" and "Amnesiac" Wilco "Yankee Hotel Fox Trot" The Mountain Goats [http://www.themountaingoats.net] Benjamin Britten's War Requiem Aphex Twin "Come to Daddy" Bjork "Vespertine" Bruce Springsteen "Tom Joad" Random Belle and Sebastion Recently read non fiction: "Blowback, Costs and Consequences of American Empire" "Life is a Miracle, an Essay against Modern Superstition" "Science of Coercion, Communication Research and Psychological Warfare 1945 - 1960" "Nickel and Dimed, on (Not) getting by in America" "The Botany of Desire, A Plant's-Eye View of the World" Recently read fiction: "All The Pretty Horses", Cormack Mccarthy "The Long Home", William Gay Tom Hallaran Informatics http://genome.wustl.edu/gsc/INFO/Staff/thallara Washington University Genome Sequencing Center 314-286-1114 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Virginian, mostly retired, 54, liberal in all matters I consider important. User not developer, part-time freelance writer, Tuesday is bridge day! BS in psych; Masters in Philo. bob On Wednesday 19 December 2001 02:24, Matt wrote: > Forget support and distro discussion for a second.. > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is. I > know this is sort of an impossible thing to answer, but it'd be > interesting to explore in vague terms who uses Debian, at least compared > to those who don't. > > Crushing realities like, "Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me > from the rest?" > > Controversial questions like, "Will I ever meet more than 1 or 2 female > Debian users who are active on mailing lists? Am I a Microsoft-branded > pinko 'cause I like open-source?" > > IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? > > I'll try to break the ice a bit: white male, 22, Canada, FineArts ex-pat > turned CompSci near-grad, downtempo and raregroove on the weekends, > csound, php and java development on the weekdays. Left-leaning (Harpers, > not New Republic), piano-playing, community-oriented, social. Curious > why so many people use RedHat. > > (Just an experiment) > > cheers, > Matt
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Single white male, 28, Chicago IL, high school graduate, programmer and project lead at Midway Games, LLC. Debian has been the OS of choice at home for a while now, and it's started to take its place at work as well. Asocial hermit, but prone to the occasional bout of Throwing It All Down And Having A Good Time. Free time finds me rarely, but when it does, it's generally spent tinkering with the millions of nifty debs available or doing the same kinds of things I do at work, only with far fewer meetings. On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:24:53AM -0500, Matt wrote: > > Who are we here? I'm curious about what the Debian demographic is.
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I am a white 22 year old very very far to the left debian user and though I am not personally responsible,people of my race ARE responsible for much of the world's woes. White males like : John Zerzan, Wendell Berry, Howard Zinn, and myself told ME so -- Tom, who is looking forward to a time when we have all f*cked race out of existance. On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 19 Dec 2001, Cameron Matheson wrote: > > > Yeah, I'm a white (I'm not a nazi tho) 17 year old that lives in > > Uh, what does one have to do with the other? Are you such a stupid and > brainwashed mess that you feel the need to apologize for being White? > What a sick person. "Oh, I'm White so I'm responsable for all the > world's ills. Why? I dunno, Jesse Jackson and MTV told me so." Fucking > PC liberals... > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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Brazilian single male, 28, software developer (currently working with Java), but I am also one of the sysadmins at work. I'm also a PhD student (researching some weird topics in AI); I like music (a lot) -- classical in particular -- and reading, but I seldom do read sci-fi. Used to read comic books, but I don't have enough time anymore... Ah - and I *really* don't like politics (any form of it). Got my first computer (a nice Apple ][+ clone, which I still have) when I was 11 (so, I had a computer before I had a life - not sure that's a goodthing! ;-) . Programmed in BASIC, COBOL, Pascal, FORTRAN, C, C++, Java, Prolog, assembly (8086), Rexx, bash, PHP, some other that I don't remember, and I'm willing to learn Perl or Python, but don't have enough time... Used several computers and OSs (including OS/2, MacOS, FreeBSD, Solaris and Windows), and started using Debian unstable after a not very nice experience with Conectiva. I use Debian mostly because I am sort of "obsessed by quality", so I usually try to get the best of whatever it is that I am looking for. And since I started using Debian, I found nothing that could replace it. ;-) Not that it's perfect, but it fits my needs perfectly. I like to report bugs and submit patches (when I have the time). Why not Red Hat? I didn't like Conectiva (automatic configuration is good, but if you want to change it, you *suffer* until you learn several subtleties!) -- and Conectiva was initially based on Red Hat. I remember trying to use several PPP setup tools, and although some of them were "cute", the only approach that worked was editing files under /etc... (In Debian, pppconfig just *works*). I like the organization and uniformity in Debian. Oh... I almost forgot: I seldom drink coffee, and I avoid sodas as much as possible. (Now, *that* should make me an exception, I guess... ;-) J. --
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On 19 Dec 2001, Cameron Matheson wrote: > Yeah, I'm a white (I'm not a nazi tho) 17 year old that lives in Uh, what does one have to do with the other? Are you such a stupid and brainwashed mess that you feel the need to apologize for being White? What a sick person. "Oh, I'm White so I'm responsable for all the world's ills. Why? I dunno, Jesse Jackson and MTV told me so." Fucking PC liberals...
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Demographic, Employment and Education: Single White male, 25, U.S., Almost done with my Biomedical Sciences Ph.D. I sell my body to science regularly for in house Medical studies most people fear to make ends meet. Been hacking since grade school. Leisure: Music taste runs from hardcore punk and blues, experimental, ambient and postrock with a healthy dose of electronic. Used to work volunteer security at 924 Gilman Street when I was at U.C. Berkeley. I enjoy Sci-Fi, mind screw movies (Fight Club) and can't stand "popular" or mass marketed anything (including people). Love my stereo and home theater. Used to be an avid mudder (Dartmud). Computer experience: SQL, PHP, Javascript, HTML, shell scripting and whatever else it takes to get the job done. Mostly SysAdmin style, Jack of all trades/Troubleshooter user. So far over the last 4 years I've built firewalls, supercomputers, database driven web servers and many workstations, all Debian and with relative ease. I do all this in my "spare" non thesis productive time. Politics: Libertarian/Anarchist (I'm not a true anarchist, corporations are held to a very strict set of rules and oversight in my ideal world). I think the U.S. and the rest of the World is going the wrong direction with things like the DCMA and SSSCA. Coding is not a crime to paraphrase an old skateboarding slogan. Hope to one day either lobby for or be elected by techno savy constituents to fight for personal, privacy and digital rights over corporate excess and greed. Religion and Outlook on life: Athiest, Agnostic. Brutaly honest, Pragmatist. Bitter, Jaded, Realist. Hobbies: I play the Didjeridu. I also homebrew, handload, pistol shoot, practice Okinawan Karate and Kobudo, do weight lifting and play rugby. --mike
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Hey, Yeah, I'm a white (I'm not a nazi tho) 17 year old that lives in America. I like punk-rock and emo. I code in c++, java (kinda), ruby, etc. Haven't ever installed a distro other than Debian (been using Linux since 98). That's about it. Oh yeah, I'm definately leftist. Cameron Matheson _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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White male, 43, wife, daughter, Berkeley, by-his-bootstraps SQA for 10-years, seeking refuge & promise of a more interesting career in the ICS masters program at Mills College, progressive politics, Christian pacifist (Quaker). Enjoy listening to KPFA, going to hear folk music at Freight & Salvage in Berkeley, and playing chess (www.pogo.com addict). I'd love to find a local Linux group and meet people in person. Tried BAD once, very nice people, but by the end of the night I felt like the only person in the crowd who hadn't ever written a device driver. I'll try again sometime when they meet in the north bay, would also like to hear about other local groups. On the "Why RedHat?" topic, here's a true story: A friend is a freelance database developer. He bought a new multimedia PC. Couldn't get peripherals to work w/Debian (I gave him a Potato CD), spent $90 on SuSE, installed, is totally delighted. Personally, I've tried RedHat, Slackware, and Debian, had some exposure to SuSE. RedHat and SuSE are very big and feature rich. If they work great on your system, you're delighted, but they can be hard to customize. If they don't work, good luck. I abandoned RedHat after my 7.0 system was hacked by script kiddie. I really like Slackware, I still use their emergency boot floppy in preference to others, but only Debian has this user group. -- Paul Mackinney | Who profited from Sept 11? [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.copvcia.com/
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30 male, Paramedic for the Philadelphia Fire Department. Just got my B.A. in History from Temple, looking for grad program in same in Europe (hopefully). Play guitar on and off in local, very small-time punk bands. Like my computer to not die, and behave the way I asked it to, politely. User, although struggling to learn some shell scripting and a little pearl. Having fun here. Steve -- Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. pgpMMfOcOErR4.pgp Description: PGP signature
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*chuckle*, white male, 28, Queensland Australia, small time shell hoster, married, 2 kids, love waterskiing, high end (really high end) car audio, the odd game or 2 (UT has taken a special place in my heart, now that I can play it on the TV using the geforce's tv out). like a bit of sci-fi now and then, struggling to learn guitar hehehe. Probably the only diff between aussies and the US people is that we have a higher latency and pay more for it :) Peter. On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:59, Erik Steffl wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > white male, 34, U.S. Californian, Data Network Engineering > > professional, BS in Info Mgt, user not a developer, married with > > child, ride offroad motorcycles on the weekend, play HalfLife/CS > > on occassion, kinda social, Christian, read sci-fi books, watch > > sci-fi video's, love having choices. > > starts to get freaky, I am basically same as others - 35, live in US, > C++, perl, guitar (sci-fi, choices etc.) > > then again, it might be interesting to get some better statistics, few > emails do not say much about the whole crowd... > > erik
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39-year old white male, Texan, professor, Ph.D. in Philosophy, user not developer, submit bug reports and sometimes suggest packages for adoption. Spend most time in textmode using mutt, vim, LaTeX, ogg123, nget, w3m, mplayer. In X, use ion, gkrellm, galeon, pan, LyX. Catholic, married with (so far) seven children. Recently began playing Doom. -- Lance Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeff wrote: > > white male, 34, U.S. Californian, Data Network Engineering > professional, BS in Info Mgt, user not a developer, married with > child, ride offroad motorcycles on the weekend, play HalfLife/CS > on occassion, kinda social, Christian, read sci-fi books, watch > sci-fi video's, love having choices. starts to get freaky, I am basically same as others - 35, live in US, C++, perl, guitar (sci-fi, choices etc.) then again, it might be interesting to get some better statistics, few emails do not say much about the whole crowd... erik
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Romanian headbanger teenager,supposedly into r00ting activities,but in fact working legit for a local medium size isp for about 80 usd a month..,22 years old,owner of an acoustic guitar,small attempts to play "nothing else matters" sometimes,telephone bills of 75 percent of total income, insane burner of pile of software/warez cds,student at mathematics-cybernetics faculty year3 of 4 ,another 2 years in school expected..not much time to go out with friends,heave metal lover,red haired chicks hunter,undernet channels idler.. Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator, Canad Systems Pitesti http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+4048220044; +4048206200
