Re[10]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-23 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 If  SA  returns  a score of 15, will the return code be set to 8 (or
 whatever the value of -et) or will it just not count it as spam?

Let's  try  this  again:  if  you're using -e and -et, there's no it
counting  anything  as  spam. You're passing the SA weight (or the -et
value,  if  the SA weight exceeds -et) back to Declude, and Declude is
adding that weight to the e-mail.

Whether  the  e-mail  is  eventually  held,  deleted,  tagged, etc. is
completely up to the way you've set up Declude's weighting system.

--Sandy



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RE: Re[10]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-23 Thread GlobalWeb.net Webmaster
I just wanted to personally thank David Barker for all of his help last
night with server queue issues we had...


Sincerely,

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RE: Re[10]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-23 Thread David Barker
Thank you Randy, your post is very much appreciated. :)

David Barker 
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I just wanted to personally thank David Barker for all of his help last
night with server queue issues we had...


Sincerely,

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Re: Re[8]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-21 Thread Travis Sullivan

'returnvalue'  would  be  better  written  returnvalue,  i.e. it's a
variable  --  the  the return value you're watching for. But you don't
want  an  'external  retunvalue'  type.  You want an 'external weight'
type.


I couldn't get 'external weight' to work, am I missing something?

SPAMASSASSIN  external weight e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d 
209.215.97.193 -e -et 6 -f 4  0


Travis 


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Re[10]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-21 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I couldn't get 'external weight' to work, am I missing something?

 SPAMASSASSIN  external weight e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d
 209.215.97.193 -e -et 6 -f 4  0

Don't  assign  Declude  weights to 'external weight' tests. The weight
comes  from  the external test's result code. Stop the test definition
after the quoted command-line:

 SPAMASSASSIN  external weight e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe
 -d 209.215.97.193 -e -et 6 -f

--Sandy



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[Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan
I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove spamassassin 
server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much 
appreciated.


Thanks!
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread David Barker
Travis not sure what you are asking with how to use a remove :)

1. To remove the external test just # comment out the test in your
global.cfg
2. To use spamassassin I would suggest using this plugin SPAMC32

http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release
/

David B
www.declude.com

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove spamassassin
server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much
appreciated.

Thanks!
Travis 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

Sorry, that was a typo, remove = remote :)
I am looking into your plugin now, is this plug in the only way?  I simply 
can't just use the IP of my spamassasin server somehow?


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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin



Travis not sure what you are asking with how to use a remove :)

1. To remove the external test just # comment out the test in your
global.cfg
2. To use spamassassin I would suggest using this plugin SPAMC32

http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release
/

David B
www.declude.com

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:21 PM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove 
spamassassin

server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much
appreciated.

Thanks!
Travis

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer

Hi Travis -

Sandy's plugin does the 'somehow' part. Simply have it point to your spamd.
Here is the line from my global.cfg that may help -
EXTERNAL.SPAMASSASSIN_v3.04externalNONZERO
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 ht 
100 -f 60


-Nick

Travis Sullivan wrote:


Sorry, that was a typo, remove = remote :)
I am looking into your plugin now, is this plug in the only way?  I 
simply can't just use the IP of my spamassasin server somehow?


- Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin



Travis not sure what you are asking with how to use a remove :)

1. To remove the external test just # comment out the test in your
global.cfg
2. To use spamassassin I would suggest using this plugin SPAMC32

http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release 


/

David B
www.declude.com

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:21 PM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove 
spamassassin

server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much
appreciated.

Thanks!
Travis

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

These are the columns in my global.cfg file, can you help me plug this in?

SECURITYSAGE  rhsbl  blackhole.securitysage.com   127.0.0.5 3 0

(minus the word wrap, is this exactly as it needs to be entered?)
what are these flags?
spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 ht 100 -f

EXTERNAL.SPAMASSASSIN_v3.04externalNONZERO 
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 ht 
100 -f 60



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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin



Hi Travis -

Sandy's plugin does the 'somehow' part. Simply have it point to your 
spamd.

Here is the line from my global.cfg that may help -
EXTERNAL.SPAMASSASSIN_v3.04externalNONZERO 
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 ht 
100 -f 60


-Nick

Travis Sullivan wrote:


Sorry, that was a typo, remove = remote :)
I am looking into your plugin now, is this plug in the only way?  I 
simply can't just use the IP of my spamassasin server somehow?


- Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin



Travis not sure what you are asking with how to use a remove :)

1. To remove the external test just # comment out the test in your
global.cfg
2. To use spamassassin I would suggest using this plugin SPAMC32

http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release
/

David B
www.declude.com

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove 
spamassassin

server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much
appreciated.

Thanks!
Travis

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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I have spamassasin running on my unix servers. I want to use this as
 an external test for my imail/declude system as an external test.

A Declude external test uses filtering logic outside Declude: it sends
raw  envelope  and/or  header data to a separate filtering system from
Declude  and  returns  the  results  to  Declude  so  that they may be
aggregated  with  the  results  of  Declude's internal tests and other
externals  to  create an overall weight. SPAMC32 is a Declude external
test:  it  talks to a remote SpamAssassin SPAMD server and returns the
results  to  Declude,  with  a  sizable set of command-line options to
reduce  resource  utilization. The overall bandwidth used by SPAMC32 +
SPAMD   in  combination  is  essentially  half  that  of  a  dedicated
SpamAssassin server, since the message body need only be vectored in
one  direction  from SPAMC32 to SPAMD and the numeric results returned
--  as  opposed  to  being  transmitted completely to the SpamAssassin
server, tagged, and then transmitted completely to Declude.

A  Declude  _filter_  can  scan  the header of an incoming messages to
check  for  inserted  x- headers from earlier hops in your mail server
farm. This is not an external test, but it can check for headers added
by SpamAssassin or from any other preprocessor.

As developer of SPAMC32, of course I endorse it! However, I understand
that people have other reasons that make a non-integrated SpamAssassin
equally viable (such as multiple *nix-based stages in their mailflow).

--Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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  http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer

Hi Travis -

[I just saw Bill Landry's post - my suggestions here relate to calling 
spamd with an external test. If you have spamassassin in front of imail 
and its tagging email forget my suggestions.. - no need to do it twice!]


Travis Sullivan wrote:

EXTERNAL.SPAMASSASSIN_v3.04externalNONZERO 
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 
ht 100 -f 60  


(minus the word wrap, is this exactly as it needs to be entered?)
Yes it should work fine. Note the the ip address is the ip address of 
your spamd server. So that you will have to change.



what are these flags?
spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 ht 100 -f


If you download Sandy's spamc32.exe it includes docs and samples. He can 
explain it better than I. [I forgot.. sorry!. ]


-Nick




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Hi Travis -

Sandy's plugin does the 'somehow' part. Simply have it point to your 
spamd.

Here is the line from my global.cfg that may help -
EXTERNAL.SPAMASSASSIN_v3.04externalNONZERO 
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -D -d 12.152.254.3 -a 16000 -lt 4 
ht 100 -f 60


-Nick

Travis Sullivan wrote:


Sorry, that was a typo, remove = remote :)
I am looking into your plugin now, is this plug in the only way?  I 
simply can't just use the IP of my spamassasin server somehow?


- Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin



Travis not sure what you are asking with how to use a remove :)

1. To remove the external test just # comment out the test in your
global.cfg
2. To use spamassassin I would suggest using this plugin SPAMC32

http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release 


/

David B
www.declude.com

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis 
Sullivan

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

I can't find documentation with regards to how to use a remove 
spamassassin

server as an external test in declude v 1.81.  Any  help will be much
appreciated.

Thanks!
Travis

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan
SPAMASSASSINexternalnonzero c:\imail\declude\spamc32.exe -cw 
%WEIGHT% -sw 10 -f choose a weight  0


-f is supposed to be the filename... but the example doesn't give one.  So, 
how does spamc send a file name to spamd?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer

Travis Sullivan wrote:

SPAMASSASSINexternalnonzero c:\imail\declude\spamc32.exe 
-cw %WEIGHT% -sw 10 -f choose a weight  0


-f is supposed to be the filename... but the example doesn't give 
one.  So, how does spamc send a file name to spamd?


Declude hands it off to it. Actually I believe the entire email is given 
to spamc32.[ It works and works well.]


-Nick



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan
Thanks guys, I have it working now!  BTW... any way to retrieve any info 
from SA with regards to test failed or weight?


This is what I have in my logs:
Msg failed SPAMASSASSIN (Message failed SPAMASSASSIN: 1.). Action=WARN

All I have is a 1, that is the score I have set as the test weight, for now 
until I figure it all out, with your help of course :)


Thanks
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Thanks  guys,  I have it working now! BTW... any way to retrieve any
 info from SA with regards to test failed or weight?

This  info  is  not currently used by Declude, though it is accessible
when  you run SPAMC32 against a message from the command line. Declude
Junkmail doesn't support the use of report files as in Declude Virus
--  secondary  files  left  behind by external tests whose results can
then  be  parsed by the Declude for insertion in headers or weighting.
If  it  did,  it'd  be  straightforward to drop a report file for each
message and have these integrated into the Declude log.

Anyway,  the  next version of SPAMC32 is coming out very soon with the
ability  to  consult  a  local  SPAMC32 log file (rather than the main
SPAMD  log  file)  to  check which individual SA rules failed for each
message; this is a definite need.

As for SPAMC32 inserting headers directly, this is technically simple,
but  I  have purposely avoided implementing this functionality because
it  will  add  significant  extra  disk  I/O  to  reread and alter the
original  message,  rather than letting Declude add all of its headers
at  once  when  done  processing. Plus, adding the names of 10, 20, or
more SA rules to the message headers can be pretty sloppy. So, in sum,
header  insertion  will  likely  be  added as an optional command-line
switch,  but  it's  not  as  much  of  a priority as the local logging
function. I will keep the list posted, as always.

--Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

Anyway,  the  next version of SPAMC32 is coming out very soon with the
ability  to  consult  a  local  SPAMC32 log file (rather than the main
SPAMD  log  file)  to  check which individual SA rules failed for each
message; this is a definite need.


Thanks Sandy, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

So, the only thing I will see in the headers is the total score SA results:

X-RBL-Warning: SPAMASSASSIN: Message failed SPAMASSASSIN: 3.

And declude scores only for the test group, like other tests in the 
global.cfg file?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Matt




Sandy,

The latest Declude's support bitmasked result codes. You might
consider creating a user maintained map from tests failed in SA to
bitmapped result codes returned to Declude. I'm not sure what the
limit might be in Declude for the number of unique tests, but I have
managed to use 16 so far without issue. It probably is limited to
either 16 or 32 if it is limited. It might very well not be.

Matt




Sanford Whiteman wrote:

  
Thanks  guys,  I have it working now! BTW... any way to retrieve any
info from SA with regards to test failed or weight?

  
  
This  info  is  not currently used by Declude, though it is accessible
when  you run SPAMC32 against a message from the command line. Declude
Junkmail doesn't support the use of "report" files as in Declude Virus
--  secondary  files  left  behind by external tests whose results can
then  be  parsed by the Declude for insertion in headers or weighting.
If  it  did,  it'd  be  straightforward to drop a report file for each
message and have these integrated into the Declude log.

Anyway,  the  next version of SPAMC32 is coming out very soon with the
ability  to  consult  a  local  SPAMC32 log file (rather than the main
SPAMD  log  file)  to  check which individual SA rules failed for each
message; this is a definite need.

As for SPAMC32 inserting headers directly, this is technically simple,
but  I  have purposely avoided implementing this functionality because
it  will  add  significant  extra  disk  I/O  to  reread and alter the
original  message,  rather than letting Declude add all of its headers
at  once  when  done  processing. Plus, adding the names of 10, 20, or
more SA rules to the message headers can be pretty sloppy. So, in sum,
header  insertion  will  likely  be  added as an optional command-line
switch,  but  it's  not  as  much  of  a priority as the local logging
function. I will keep the list posted, as always.

--Sandy



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer


Travis Sullivan wrote:

So, the only thing I will see in the headers is the total score SA 
results:


X-RBL-Warning: SPAMASSASSIN: Message failed SPAMASSASSIN: 3.

And declude scores only for the test group, like other tests in the 
global.cfg file?


Correct. Very slick huh? And good job getting it to go!
-Nick



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Keith Johnson
Nick,
   If you don't mind, is SA heavy on the CPU?  What kinda load are
you running with SA?  We are wanting to pursue it, however, Sanford had
mentioned awhile back it would be heavy on the CPU.  Thanks again,

Keith

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Travis Sullivan wrote:

 So, the only thing I will see in the headers is the total score SA
 results:

 X-RBL-Warning: SPAMASSASSIN: Message failed SPAMASSASSIN: 3.

 And declude scores only for the test group, like other tests in the
 global.cfg file?

Correct. Very slick huh? And good job getting it to go!
-Nick


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin - topic change

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer

Anyway, the next version of SPAMC32 is coming out very soon with the


ability  to  consult  a  local  SPAMC32 log file (rather than the main
SPAMD  log  file)  to  check which individual SA rules failed for each
message; this is a definite need.
 


Hi Sandy,

Well since you are working on the code - something that for me would be 
nice  is a modification to your -e switch. What I would like to have 
happen is return the SA weight only after a threshold is met. For 
example with a setting of 5 an email of 4.99 would not be considered 
spam but anything above would and the total score would be passed.  
Hopefully I'm clear on this - I'm trying! Thanks for the consideration.


-Nick




As for SPAMC32 inserting headers directly, this is technically simple,
but  I  have purposely avoided implementing this functionality because
it  will  add  significant  extra  disk  I/O  to  reread and alter the
original  message,  rather than letting Declude add all of its headers
at  once  when  done  processing. Plus, adding the names of 10, 20, or
more SA rules to the message headers can be pretty sloppy. So, in sum,
header  insertion  will  likely  be  added as an optional command-line
switch,  but  it's  not  as  much  of  a priority as the local logging
function. I will keep the list posted, as always.

--Sandy



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

Nick,
  If you don't mind, is SA heavy on the CPU?  What kinda load are
you running with SA?


I have 3k plus users getting 300k emails per day... my SA is running on a 
linux server, P4 2ghz... no increase in load when I started using SA with 
declude today.


The best config I have set is:
SPAMASSASSIN externalnonzero e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d 
209.215.97.193 -r -lt 4 -et 6 -f 3  0


I 'think' so far that spamassassin only reports if SA's score is 4 or more, 
if so, I score it a 3 on the email test.  I am still playing with the values 
to tune the system.


thanks for everyone's help today.  I hope to have MRTG running reports on 
declude soon to show some statistics.


Travis 


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Nick Hayer

Hi Keith,

Keith Johnson wrote:


Nick,
  If you don't mind, is SA heavy on the CPU?  What kinda load are
you running with SA?

First I am no authority here but am willing to share my experience. 
Sandy's spamd32 seems to be no issue as near as I can tell. The cpu 
issue is with spamd. .I have spamd running under cygwin on an older dual 
PIII 1.13 processor machine. Its raid 5 with a gig of ram. At least on 
my system spamd will spawn 6 perl processes each w/about 75k of ram.


A couple of weeks ago we had some spam leakage to the Imail box with the 
result of like 2 mill or more emails in the spool/overflow dir. The main 
server was fine but the spamd box was running at 90-100% full cpu.to 
clear up that mess. If I guessed I would say the max the spamd box  
could do was 3 email a second.So bottom line is how many email would you 
max process in a second. would dictate if a separate spamd box would be 
necessary. Overall now  I am doing ~ 15,000 email a day and the spamd 
box is running easy under 10%load.


I personally really like spamassassin under Declude. With the weighting 
system of Declude it makes another excellent test. 


-Nick

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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin - topic change

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Well since you are working on the code - something that for me would
 be  nice is a modification to your -e switch. What I would like to
 have  happen  is return the SA weight only after a threshold is met.
 For  example  with  a  setting  of  5  an email of 4.99 would not be
 considered  spam  but anything above would and the total score would
 be  passed. Hopefully I'm clear on this - I'm trying! Thanks for the
 consideration.

I  think  I see your point. If you have the -lt option set, that'll be
the  low  end of what's considered spam, and it's designed to accept a
couple  of decimal places, so you could pass '-lt 4.99'. The -e switch
seems  like  it  could  be  used  concurrently  to pass back the SPAMD
weight, but by design -e will pass the SPAM weight no matter what else
SPAMD  or  SPAMC32  thinks  about the message (-e is designed to allow
SPAMC32  to  function  as a 'weight' type test). So what you're asking
for  is  a switch like -e, but which is more conditional, allowing the
possible result codes:

 -  0,  if  -lt  not  met

 - SPAMD weight, if -lt met and SPAMD weight = -et value

 - -et value, if SPAMD weight  -et value

Sounds like a good option, and I can't think of a way of kludging that
in  one  external  test  instance with the current switches (you could
actually do it with multiple SPAMC32 runs -- don't!). I'll add it in.

Thanks,

Sandy



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Keith Johnson
Travis,
 In your setup, your Declude is running on a Windows 2k/2003 box calling 
your SA server on a Linux box on the same local network?  I guess the speeds 
are much the same as quering a local DNS server for lookups.  Sounds great, I 
will have look into this, my loads are around the same for our three servers.  
Thanks again,
 
Keith



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Nick,
   If you don't mind, is SA heavy on the CPU?  What kinda load are
you running with SA?

I have 3k plus users getting 300k emails per day... my SA is running on a
linux server, P4 2ghz... no increase in load when I started using SA with
declude today.

The best config I have set is:
SPAMASSASSIN externalnonzero e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d
209.215.97.193 -r -lt 4 -et 6 -f 3  0

I 'think' so far that spamassassin only reports if SA's score is 4 or more,
if so, I score it a 3 on the email test.  I am still playing with the values
to tune the system.

thanks for everyone's help today.  I hope to have MRTG running reports on
declude soon to show some statistics.

Travis

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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 The  latest  Declude's  support  bitmasked  result  codes. You might
 consider  creating  a user maintained map from tests failed in SA to
 bitmapped  result  codes  returned to Declude. I'm not sure what the
 limit might be in Declude for the number of unique tests, but I have
 managed  to  use  16 so far without issue. It probably is limited to
 either 16 or 32 if it is limited. It might very well not be.

Interesting  possibility, and I can see the usefulness. . . would be a
certain  bandwidth  saver  vs.  having  different SPAMD instances (and
different  SPAMC32  runs) for different rulesets, but what you save in
bandwidth  might be offset be a nearly ridiculous amount of complexity
on  the  client  side.  One  SPAMD  might  have  tens  of rulesets and
thousands  of  rules, so trying to bitmask to identify the rules would
be  pretty crazy. Bitmasking at the ruleset level would be doable, but
you  wouldn't  get the actual offending RegEx line from that, just the
file that contained it.

Rather  than  trying  to  match  result  codes  up  to a matrix of all
possible  results,  I  think  such  a  full-featured  external test as
SpamAssassin  is  really a better push for a dumb report.txt kind of
feature,  which  could  simply  gulp  up  a  TESTSFAILED-style  string
returned   from  SPAMC32  and  either  put  it  in  the  logs  without
inspection,  put  it  into  a  Declude  variable  for  further use, or
whatever.

In  the  meantime,  SPAMC32's upcoming local logging by queuefile name
should  help immensely with tracking results by rule. Remember that SA
has  its  own  weighting  features, so tweaking rule-level weights and
inter-rule/inter-ruleset  dependencies  lets  you do weight management
like  Declude's  before  returning  an  aggregate  SPAMC32 weight. . .
albeit  at  a  management  cost  vs.  doing as much as possible within
Declude.

I'd see bitmasking in the far future, though I can't see putting aside
time for it right now.

Thanks,

Sandy



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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I  guess  the speeds are much the same as quering a local DNS server
 for  lookups.

SA  advocate  though I am, I can't say that's the case. The speed of a
UDP  DNS  lookup is far faster than a SPAMC32/SPAMD TCP connection for
even  a  tiny  message,  due  both  to UDP vs. TCP differences and the
amount  of  data  sent for SMTP/MIME mail (i.e. the entire message, if
it's = SPAMC32's max message size). The _response_ stage from DNS and
SPAMD  servers  might  be  somewhat  comparable in size and speed, but
certainly not the request or processing stages.

--Sandy



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Matt




Sandy,

The utility in this is that the tests failed would be centralized in
one application, Delude, and available for combo tests and easier
diagnosis within that framework.

Of course SpamAssassin has a multitude of different tests and scores
within those tests, and it isn't practical to do everything in bitmask
fashion, but I could see some utility in separating out a bayesian test
as BAYESIAN-LOW, BAYESIAN-MED and BAYESIAN-HIGH for instance, or
lumping together multiple Nigerian/Advance Fee Fraud filters into one
separate test trackable by Declude.

I understand that this probably isn't within the scope of your current
plans, but it does offer some interesting potential for the future. I
personally find the combo filtering technique within Declude to be
very, very valuable. For instance finding out that a message hit both
a DUL list and SPAMCOP is enough to delete a message, but these tests
are not reliable enough to even hold on individually (IMO of course).

Matt



Sanford Whiteman wrote:

  
The  latest  Declude's  support  bitmasked  result  codes. You might
consider  creating  a user maintained map from tests failed in SA to
bitmapped  result  codes  returned to Declude. I'm not sure what the
limit might be in Declude for the number of unique tests, but I have
managed  to  use  16 so far without issue. It probably is limited to
either 16 or 32 if it is limited. It might very well not be.

  
  
Interesting  possibility, and I can see the usefulness. . . would be a
certain  bandwidth  saver  vs.  having  different SPAMD instances (and
different  SPAMC32  runs) for different rulesets, but what you save in
bandwidth  might be offset be a nearly ridiculous amount of complexity
on  the  client  side.  One  SPAMD  might  have  tens  of rulesets and
thousands  of  rules, so trying to bitmask to identify the rules would
be  pretty crazy. Bitmasking at the ruleset level would be doable, but
you  wouldn't  get the actual offending RegEx line from that, just the
file that contained it.

Rather  than  trying  to  match  result  codes  up  to a matrix of all
possible  results,  I  think  such  a  full-featured  external test as
SpamAssassin  is  really a better push for a "dumb" report.txt kind of
feature,  which  could  simply  gulp  up  a  TESTSFAILED-style  string
returned   from  SPAMC32  and  either  put  it  in  the  logs  without
inspection,  put  it  into  a  Declude  variable  for  further use, or
whatever.

In  the  meantime,  SPAMC32's upcoming local logging by queuefile name
should  help immensely with tracking results by rule. Remember that SA
has  its  own  weighting  features, so tweaking rule-level weights and
inter-rule/inter-ruleset  dependencies  lets  you do weight management
like  Declude's  before  returning  an  aggregate  SPAMC32 weight. . .
albeit  at  a  management  cost  vs.  doing as much as possible within
Declude.

I'd see bitmasking in the far future, though I can't see putting aside
time for it right now.

Thanks,

Sandy



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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

The best config I have set is:
SPAMASSASSIN externalnonzero
e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d
209.215.97.193 -r -lt 4 -et 6 -f 3  0


I 'think' so far that spamassassin only reports if SA's score is 4 or 
more,
if so, I score it a 3 on the email test.  I am still playing with the 
values

to tune the system.


I  think  your  external test's behavior won't be what you expect. The
-et  switch  won't be used without the -e switch, the -lt switch won't
be  used without the -ht switch, and the -r switch report isn't parsed
by Declude, so what you're saying is the same as if you had no special
switches  at  all:  Just gimme a 0 if SPAMD says it's ham, and a 1 if
SPAMD says it's spam. What did you want it to do?

--Sandy


A few more tests later, I have found the SA results of 1 to be spam, and my 
global.cfg line scores a hit at 3, this 3 gets added to the result of SA's 1 
and therefore I get 4 points.  Hummm... I was hoping to get the real score 
of SA, max of 10, and score that value against the email message for the 
weighting system.  So, for now, it's ham or spam :)


Travis 


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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Of course SpamAssassin has a multitude of different tests and scores
 within  those  tests,  and  it  isn't  practical to do everything in
 bitmask  fashion,  but  I could see some utility in separating out a
 bayesian  test  as  BAYESIAN-LOW, BAYESIAN-MED and BAYESIAN-HIGH for
 instance,  or  lumping  together multiple Nigerian/Advance Fee Fraud
 filters into one separate test trackable by Declude.

I  agree.  It  will be built, but not in the near term unless I have a
(not  atypical)  fit  and  put  it all in place in one long night this
month. . . .

--Sandy



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Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 A few more tests later, I have found the SA results of 1 to be spam,
 and  my  global.cfg line scores a hit at 3, this 3 gets added to the
 result of SA's 1 and therefore I get 4 points.

There  should  be no _addition_ of Declude-defined weights to external
test result codes! I don't even know how your test definition could be
doing that. Certainly, that's not the intended use of SPAMC32.

What's confusing you seems to be the way of pairing Declude's external
test  types ('external nonzero' or 'external weight') with the related
SPAMC32 options (default or '-e').

A  Declude  'external nonzero' test is designed for tests whose return
codes  you  want  Declude to convert to binary pass/fail-- it's either
'pass'  (return  code 0) or 'fail' (return code 1+). [A test that only
returns a 0 or 1 (never 1+) can alternately be defined as an 'external
1'  test,  but  I  think  most  people just use the catchall 'nonzero'
type.] After you define a a test as nonzero, from the manual:

 You  can  add weights, by adding two numbers at the end of the line:
 the first one is the standard weight (the weight if the test fails),
 the second is the negative weight (the weight if the test does not
 fail, usually 0)

On  the  other  hand, a Declude 'external weight' test is designed for
tests  whose return code you want to reuse _as_ the Declude weight for
the  test.  This  is  designed for tests that return a range of values
that represent increasing spamminess, such as SPAMC32 with the -e (and
optionally  the  -et) option. In these cases, you're passing the SPAMD
weight,  up  to  the -et threshold, directly back to Declude, which is
what you seem to want to do.

 Hummm...  I  was  hoping to get the real score of SA, max of 10, and
 score that value against the email message for the weighting system.
 So, for now, it's ham or spam :)

Only because you haven't defined the test correctly in Declude. :)

The  -et switch on its own is useless, because that just sets an upper
threshold  if  -e  is in use; -et requires -e, but -e does not require
-et  (I'm  not  going  to  change  the  behavior  at this point, but I
understand why you thought that -et implied -e.) You need both.

And  if you want to get the SPAMD score in raw form, don't think about
-lt  or  -ht. These switches set client-side thresholds that allow you
to  override the server-wide spam/ham threshold set on a central SPAMD
server.  But  you're  already  overriding SPAMD's spam/ham decision by
passing  the  raw SPAMD result without any simplification. The -lt and
-ht are useful if multiple SPAMC32s are running against the same SPAMD
rulesets  and  need  different  sensitivities  (for example, if you're
running  SPAMC32  from  different  client  scanning boxes at a hosting
provider). You don't need them.

--Sandy



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Re: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

Sandy;


There  should  be no _addition_ of Declude-defined weights to external
test result codes! I don't even know how your test definition could be
doing that. Certainly, that's not the intended use of SPAMC32.


Yes, another mistake on my part.  Sorry :(


What's confusing you seems to be the way of pairing Declude's external
test  types ('external nonzero' or 'external weight') with the related
SPAMC32 options (default or '-e').

A  Declude  'external nonzero' test is designed for tests whose return
codes  you  want  Declude to convert to binary pass/fail-- it's either
'pass'  (return  code 0) or 'fail' (return code 1+). [A test that only
returns a 0 or 1 (never 1+) can alternately be defined as an 'external
1'  test,  but  I  think  most  people just use the catchall 'nonzero'
type.] After you define a a test as nonzero, from the manual:


Can you point me to the manual please?  :)
I would like to see what else can be done besides the nonzero (ham or spam).
I would like to rate how smelly the spam is :)


On  the  other  hand, a Declude 'external weight' test is designed for
tests  whose return code you want to reuse _as_ the Declude weight for
the  test.  This  is  designed for tests that return a range of values
that represent increasing spamminess, such as SPAMC32 with the -e (and
optionally  the  -et) option. In these cases, you're passing the SPAMD
weight,  up  to  the -et threshold, directly back to Declude, which is
what you seem to want to do.


Hummm...  I  was  hoping to get the real score of SA, max of 10, and
score that value against the email message for the weighting system.
So, for now, it's ham or spam :)


Only because you haven't defined the test correctly in Declude. :)


Yes, exactly, this is what I want to do :)

Travis 


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Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Can  you  point me to the manual please? :) I would like to see what
 else  can be done besides the nonzero (ham or spam). I would like to
 rate how smelly the spam is :)

Take a look:

 http://www.declude.com/Version/Manuals/2.0.6.asp

--Sandy



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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] declude / spamassassin

2005-09-20 Thread Travis Sullivan

Take a look:

http://www.declude.com/Version/Manuals/2.0.6.asp


Ah!  I was thinking of your manual.  Well, anyhow, I couldn't get the 
'returnvalue' to work.  only nonzero seams to work.  any ideas?


I used the following without success:
SPAMASSASSIN externalreturnvalue e:\imail\declude\spamd\spamc32.exe -d 
209.215.97.193 -e -et 6 -f 4  0


ideas?
Travis 


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