[Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account
I would like to disable the subject line warning that gets placed in the subject line for one particular email account on a domain. He is complaining that he sees too many emails with a subject warning. Kind of like this. if the email address = [EMAIL PROTECTED] then don't put subject line warning Any rule I can place in the config file to do this? Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet W: www.123marbella.net --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account
Not a rule, but either a domain-level or user-level config to change the WARN action to IGNORE. Darin. - Original Message - From: Craig Edmonds To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account I would like to disable the subject line warning that gets placed in the subject line for one particular email account on a domain. He is complaining that he sees too many emails with a subject warning. Kind of like this. if the email address = [EMAIL PROTECTED] then don't put subject line warning Any rule I can place in the config file to do this? Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet W: www.123marbella.net --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account
Hi Darin, That sounds like it. Any instructions on how to do it? Put a file in the domain directory? What would the format be? Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet W: www.123marbella.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:41 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account Not a rule, but either a domain-level or user-level config to change the WARN action to IGNORE. Darin. - Original Message - From: Craig Edmonds mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] disable subject line warning on one email account I would like to disable the subject line warning that gets placed in the subject line for one particular email account on a domain. He is complaining that he sees too many emails with a subject warning. Kind of like this. if the email address = [EMAIL PROTECTED] then don't put subject line warning Any rule I can place in the config file to do this? Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet W: www.123marbella.net --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Well, David. You've known about the problem for a very long time, and from a customer perspective absolutely nothing has been done. No potential fix release date. Nothing other than we're working on it. From your post to the list, it doesn't even sound like we're working on it was true. Pardon my frustration at the continual lack of progress on almost every front, but this post makes it sound like you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. If you need help identify the various scenarios, post samples to the list and we'll help you. There are a lot of bright people on this list who can help you out. Bottom line, figure out what needs to be done, get it done, and we'll stop hounding you on this issue. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Unfortunately Andy you are incorrect we have seen numerous instances where IMail likewise has put its headers at the end of the body. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi, As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response I never asked them to address it because Imail prepends the Received headers at the top and appends the other headers in the correct spot, as far as I can tell. It's accepting a message, works around the non-standard line feeds and delivers the message. So there's nothing to fix for them, in my opinion. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 04:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Darin, I will not commit to a date of having a fix and then not reach that date. I understand your frustration with this issue. The truth is we are currently working on it, I think that your statement of being plain lazy to make an effort is uncalled for. I have posted we are open to suggestions, again if you feel like you need to vent your frustration feel free to call me directly 978-499-2933 xt 7007 David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Well, David. You've known about the problem for a very long time, and from a customer perspective absolutely nothing has been done. No potential fix release date. Nothing other than we're working on it. From your post to the list, it doesn't even sound like we're working on it was true. Pardon my frustration at the continual lack of progress on almost every front, but this post makes it sound like you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. If you need help identify the various scenarios, post samples to the list and we'll help you. There are a lot of bright people on this list who can help you out. Bottom line, figure out what needs to be done, get it done, and we'll stop hounding you on this issue. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
We're not asking Declude to fix IMail's problem, just do some intelligent parsing and put the headers Declude adds with the rest of the header. We'll work on Ipswitch to fix their issues. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Unfortunately Andy you are incorrect we have seen numerous instances where IMail likewise has put its headers at the end of the body. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi, As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response I never asked them to address it because Imail prepends the Received headers at the top and appends the other headers in the correct spot, as far as I can tell. It's accepting a message, works around the non-standard line feeds and delivers the message. So there's nothing to fix for them, in my opinion. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 04:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
David, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will not apologize for my post. Frankly I've had it with posts from Declude that seem to indicate no interest in solving the problem, as David F-R's post seemed. I've tried to be as nice as I could be through these past two years, but I've had enough of put-offs and lack of progress towards fixing issues over the past two years. Instead of a put-off, how about making some statements about what is or will be done? Refusal to give a date for anything just indicates poor project management practices. Our main business is software development, so I completely understand the issues of meeting dates, but in our business it's not acceptable to not give dates. We must use good project estimation and management skills to assess what needs to be done to perform a task, and balance the triangle of due date, resources, and task requirements to get the task done. That said extenuating circumstances can occur, requiring a due date to be moved. Communicating early and often with customers alleviates any concerns that customers might have with due date changes, but again, not giving a date is simply not acceptable. Giving a reasonable outside estimate, and meeting the date earlier is, however. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Darin, I will not commit to a date of having a fix and then not reach that date. I understand your frustration with this issue. The truth is we are currently working on it, I think that your statement of being plain lazy to make an effort is uncalled for. I have posted we are open to suggestions, again if you feel like you need to vent your frustration feel free to call me directly 978-499-2933 xt 7007 David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Well, David. You've known about the problem for a very long time, and from a customer perspective absolutely nothing has been done. No potential fix release date. Nothing other than we're working on it. From your post to the list, it doesn't even sound like we're working on it was true. Pardon my frustration at the continual lack of progress on almost every front, but this post makes it sound like you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. If you need help identify the various scenarios, post samples to the list and we'll help you. There are a lot of bright people on this list who can help you out. Bottom line, figure out what needs to be done, get it done, and we'll stop hounding you on this issue. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Darin, 1. Personal attacks ie. you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. on this list will not be tolerated I will remove you from the list if you cannot keep to the issue. 2. I have posted how we are looking to resolve this and asked for any helpful feedback, do not forget we had implememnted a fix, but as we have seen it did not solve the problem and we are looking at it again. 3. If this issue cannot be resolved for you when you want it resolved I suggest finding another solution we are not forcing you to use Declude. 4. To start to lecture on how to best run a software development business is again out of the scope of this conversation. My answer is that as of now there is no release date for a fix, as soon as we have determined that we have one I will post this information. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line David, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will not apologize for my post. Frankly I've had it with posts from Declude that seem to indicate no interest in solving the problem, as David F-R's post seemed. I've tried to be as nice as I could be through these past two years, but I've had enough of put-offs and lack of progress towards fixing issues over the past two years. Instead of a put-off, how about making some statements about what is or will be done? Refusal to give a date for anything just indicates poor project management practices. Our main business is software development, so I completely understand the issues of meeting dates, but in our business it's not acceptable to not give dates. We must use good project estimation and management skills to assess what needs to be done to perform a task, and balance the triangle of due date, resources, and task requirements to get the task done. That said extenuating circumstances can occur, requiring a due date to be moved. Communicating early and often with customers alleviates any concerns that customers might have with due date changes, but again, not giving a date is simply not acceptable. Giving a reasonable outside estimate, and meeting the date earlier is, however. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Darin, I will not commit to a date of having a fix and then not reach that date. I understand your frustration with this issue. The truth is we are currently working on it, I think that your statement of being plain lazy to make an effort is uncalled for. I have posted we are open to suggestions, again if you feel like you need to vent your frustration feel free to call me directly 978-499-2933 xt 7007 David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Well, David. You've known about the problem for a very long time, and from a customer perspective absolutely nothing has been done. No potential fix release date. Nothing other than we're working on it. From your post to the list, it doesn't even sound like we're working on it was true. Pardon my frustration at the continual lack of progress on almost every front, but this post makes it sound like you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. If you need help identify the various scenarios, post samples to the list and we'll help you. There are a lot of bright people on this list who can help you out. Bottom line, figure out what needs to be done, get it done, and we'll stop hounding you on this issue. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David: Unfortunately Andy you are incorrect we have seen numerous instances where IMail likewise has put its headers at the end of the body. In that case, I agree. Once I encounter a message with Imail Headers trailing the message, I will certainly open a report with Ipswitch. Unfortunately, so far, I have yet to encounter one (but that may just be a function of the type of mail I receive and/or which messages I'm blocking/deleting outright, etc.) Without any files to document the problem to Ipswitch, I don't feel I can approach the other vendor. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 08:58 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Unfortunately Andy you are incorrect we have seen numerous instances where IMail likewise has put its headers at the end of the body. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi, As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response I never asked them to address it because Imail prepends the Received headers at the top and appends the other headers in the correct spot, as far as I can tell. It's accepting a message, works around the non-standard line feeds and delivers the message. So there's nothing to fix for them, in my opinion. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 04:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David: The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. I think part of the frustration is, that some of us are in the business of problem solving and/or even systems programming and have a hard time relating to the specific difficulties you have encoutered without seeing live samples. After all, if Outlook can show the intended content of the message correctly, there IS a way how Outlook was able to determine the intended end of header (with Decludes headers appearing at the bottom of the message body in Outlook). Since Microsoft only cooks with water too (and I can't imagine them having put any deep thought into dealing with broken headers), it seems somewhat obvious that there is solution out there that just has been escaping whoever is working on it. Dave said in his message that he was asking for help / input / suggestions from users. I think some of us would love to step up to the plate and give it a try to devise an algorithm that discards white spaces, detects any newline sequences and then manages to detect the end of header the same way the human eye does and/or the same way Outlook clearly manages to. It may be unconventional - but if you placed sample text files of your different scenarios into a zip file and upload it somewhere, we all could collaborate - in the same way that we collaborated in the past when defining/devising new rules, filters, etc. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 08:32 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David F, David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] wrote: The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line).What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. Would it be possible for you to post to the list samples of emails that are problematic? Lets all have a look and maybe the solution will be found right off - Heck maybe even Scott who I just saw post may chime in on this one. Regards, -Nick --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}
OK sounds reasonable. Since you are the expert and I am trying to understand. Have you ever seen a legitimate message with a no real end of headers, where the two line terminators designating the end of headers are separated by more than white space, tab or space characters? Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:32 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}
What about a brute force rule "I am appending a header more than x characters from the beginning of a y length message so this cannot be a correctly formatted message" and you have set the "deletebadforematmail" switch to "Yes" so delete. Herb Kevin Bilbee wrote: OK sounds reasonable. Since you are the expert and I am trying to understand. Have you ever seen a legitimate message with a no real end of headers, where the two line terminators designating the end of headers are separated by more than white space, tab or space characters? Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:32 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: "Kevin Bilbee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as "just fix it" there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}

I've seen some messages with dozens of Kbytes of CC
and TO E-mail lists that would fail this test.
- Original Message -
From:
Herb Guenther
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:30
PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] End of
headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}
What about a brute force rule "I am appending a header more
than x characters from the beginning of a y length message so this cannot be a
correctly formatted message" and you have set the "deletebadforematmail"
switch to "Yes" so delete.HerbKevin Bilbee wrote:
OK sounds reasonable. Since you are the expert and I am trying to understand. Have you ever seen a legitimate message with a no real end of headers, where the two line terminators designating the end of headers are separated by more than white space, tab or space characters?
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:32 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Kevin,
I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a
line.
However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long
ago.
Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where
IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message.
The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a
given
message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other
(with
leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may
appear
obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene.
You may
look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body
begins
(the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily
contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere.
David Franco-Rocha
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Bilbee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you
already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the
message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite
the
message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly
detect the end of headers.
If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then
you
have the end of headers.
For example if you have
CRLFCRLF
OR
LFCRLFCR
OR
LFLF
I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line.
There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when
writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original
byte
sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper
CRLF
sequences.
My two cents!
Kevin Bilbee
1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy
as
"just
fix it" there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot
more
complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of
line
terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a
potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}
Hi Mike;
I'm sure that you are correct, but it would have to be both malformed
and have the large header. Right now there are hundreds of messages a
day slipping thru that are not being addressed at all. This MAY be a
way to get the vast majority of them without the apparent difficulty of
finding the end of the header so that it can by modified. So far the
ones I have seen have been image spam that are do not have a large
number of to addresses.
Thanks for your feedback.
Herb
Mike N wrote:
I've seen some messages with dozens
of Kbytes of CC and TO E-mail lists that would fail this test.
-
Original Message -
From:
Herb Guenther
To:
declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject:
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying
subject line}
What about a brute force rule "I am appending a header more than x
characters from the beginning of a y length message so this cannot be a
correctly formatted message" and you have set the
"deletebadforematmail" switch to "Yes" so delete.
Herb
Kevin Bilbee wrote:
OK sounds reasonable. Since you are the expert and I am trying to understand. Have you ever seen a legitimate message with a no real end of headers, where the two line terminators designating the end of headers are separated by more than white space, tab or space characters?
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:32 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Kevin,
I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a
line.
However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long
ago.
Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where
IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message.
The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a
given
message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other
(with
leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may
appear
obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene.
You may
look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body
begins
(the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily
contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere.
David Franco-Rocha
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Bilbee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you
already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the
message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite
the
message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly
detect the end of headers.
If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then
you
have the end of headers.
For example if you have
CRLFCRLF
OR
LFCRLFCR
OR
LFLF
I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line.
There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when
writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original
byte
sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper
CRLF
sequences.
My two cents!
Kevin Bilbee
1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy
as
"just
fix it" there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot
more
complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of
line
terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a
potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the tests are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where they are, and perhaps update the links in the KB so that they do point to them? Thanks, Herb David Barker wrote: Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the tests are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where they are, and perhaps update the links in the KB so that they do point to them? Thanks, Herb David Barker wrote: Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the tests are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where they are, and perhaps update the links in the KB so that they do point to them? Thanks, Herb David Barker wrote: Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Andy Schmidt wrote: I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Well said Andy. I completely agree. Bill Green dfn Systems --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the tests are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where they are, and perhaps update the links in the KB so that they do point to them? Thanks, Herb David Barker wrote: Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the tests are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi, As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response I never asked them to address it because Imail prepends the Received headers at the top and appends the other headers in the correct spot, as far as I can tell. It's accepting a message, works around the non-standard line feeds and delivers the message. So there's nothing to fix for them, in my opinion. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 04:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
David -- The problem exists in Interceptor, as well, so a fix from Ipswitch or Smartermail isn't going to solve all of the problems, unfortunately. If it helps at all, every message that is malformed this way is bad, spam scores off the charts. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Rob, Thanks for the info. Yes we know that these messages are most likely always spam, the problem comes in that some admins just tag their subject lines and rely on either rules at the mail server level or client to process the message based on the subject. But with the altered header in the body theses email get through. There is a work around in that one could use a different action. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:22 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line David -- The problem exists in Interceptor, as well, so a fix from Ipswitch or Smartermail isn't going to solve all of the problems, unfortunately. If it helps at all, every message that is malformed this way is bad, spam scores off the charts. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David, How about today's suggestion that you not fix the message, but just interpret all of the variants of CRLF in order to place added headers with the original headers? An additional test would be nice for the weighting system, but just getting the headers where they need to be is the critical issue. I do agree that permanently fixing the issue by rewriting the message is a good thing, and best handled by the mail server, but if we can handle these exceptions and get headers in the right place, a lot of people would be happy. Darin. - Original Message - From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way, Declude can: A) append it's own header at the proper location (not append it below the message body.) B) determining where the message content starts (so that the content can be properly scanned for Viruses) I get the feeling this issue of end-of-line detection is being made overly complicated. Declude is not a message-fixer-upper. I have enough problems with people using CISCO SMTP FIXUP that breaks everything. Declude's job is to correctly determine the header vs. content and then subject the header and content to appropriate analysis. If a message is found to be malformed, then Declude can make it fail a Test so that the mail admin can decide to accept or reject those messages - but it's not Declude's job to artificially make an incompatible message compatible with email clients. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Same in SmarterMail. It is interesting when you receive one of these messages to find the Declude header lines at the end of the message, and the one or two header lines that SmarterMail appends (after Declude hands the message back to SmarterMail) right where they should be at the end of the header. SmarterMail knows where the header is even after Declude has processed the message. Maybe Declude should be talking to SmarterMail to find out how they know where the header is in these malformed messages. Gary Original Message From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:12 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi, As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response I never asked them to address it because Imail prepends the Received headers at the top and appends the other headers in the correct spot, as far as I can tell. It's accepting a message, works around the non-standard line feeds and delivers the message. So there's nothing to fix for them, in my opinion. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 04:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. 2. Just so that you know we are a privately funded company and do not have any VC funding. 3. As per previous posts I agree that Declude needs to deal with this issue, as neither SmarterMail or Imail have addressed this, just out of curiosity has anyone contacted SmarterMail or Imail and asked them to address this issue, and if so what was their response ? David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Me three! Is it done yet? No? Darn. Frankly, David, if the Declude app is going to have to rewrite the whole message anyway to insert headers, make it an optional *feature* to fix up the line terminators. Then market it as a unique feature; I understand that Venture Capitalists love their startups to have innovative features that differentiate their product in the marketplace. Meanwhile, just fix the Declude app so that inserts the header correctly as befits our reasonable expectations as set by all the other products in the marketplace. Andrew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Agreed. Put the headers where they need to be. Don't worry about fixing the message. Having this additional test could be worthwhile as well, to identify and report on mailers that are broken in this fashion. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi Dave: 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. Although I know this had been suggested - I personally don't feel that Declude needs (or even SHOULD) rewrite the message. If the message is readable by Imail, Outlook, etc. - then the sender is in luck. If not, then the fact that other software can't read the message will motivate the sender to use RFC compliant formatting. I feel all that's necessary is that Declude's end-of-line parsing should be made intelligent enough so that it DOES detect various CR CR/LF LF LF/CR combinations and treat them as end-of-line, so that it can properly detect the intended last header. This way
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Hi David; Thanks for the tip on the resource directory, never thought of looking there, altho would be good to restore the link in your KB as well. I would also like to respond to your reply to others in the thread in which you state that it is not productive to have to repeatedly address the same issue. I would respond as a customer by telling you that we spend a significant amount of our time addressing customer complaints. I know that ourselves, and I am sure many others are not in a position to delete email messages, but need to mark them to give users the ability to create and maintain their own filters. So our pain becomes your pain. So, if our customers are getting hammered on this issue every day and every week, and folks want to know why spam that you are identifying is not being marked as spam, I'd sure like to know an elegant answer to give them other than "it doesn't work and is being worked on". I personally get at least 10-20 of these a day, so I get 10 - 20 reminders that I am unhappy. I am not trying to beat up on you or Declude, we have been a customer for many years, and wish to remain so. I'm sure that it will be some work to solve the problem as it is a non trivial task. However, what do you expect us to do, go quietly into the night? There are two ways to stop getting questions on this subject. 1. Fix the problem and get kudos instead of complaints. or 2. Give a real expected date to address the issue and tell us where in the task stack the issue is. The we can either wait or go elsewhere if the timing on the issue is not going to work for us. Last point, on contacting Smartermail in our case, or Imail in other cases. What we would be asking them to do is not deliver messages that they, Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, and I would guess most every other mail server and email client handle somehow. Non RFC complaint mail is part of the environment, I don't think that that is really the way to go. My goal is not to discourage you, or pick on yourself and Declude, but to get the issue addressed. Wouldn't it be great to cross this item off your list :) Take care, Herb David Barker wrote: Herb, 1. This is currently being worked on, there are several other things that need to be taken into account when doing this, for example if Declude has to rewrite all me messages in order to correct this problem there will be a hit on performance. We are also looking at some other alternatives. Any suggestions are welcome. 2. This is not as simple as having these type of messages fail a test as there are too many variables in play wrt line terminators. 3. In your \Declude folder there should be a \Resources folder which has the latest config files. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David; In an earlier message (below) you mentioned that you were working on adding the ability to handle these malformed messages. A couple questions. 1. When will this happen as it has been a problem for quite a while now? 2. The messages themselves are not failing any of the tests that I am using. Shouldn't we at least be able to have them fail a test and then take an action based on that? Also, I want to make sure that all of my config files are correct, and that I do not have any depreciated tests in them. When I go to the online manuals on your site, the links to the "tests" are broken, and I cannot find samples of the config files. Can you tell me where they are, and perhaps update the links in the KB so that they do point to them? Thanks, Herb David Barker wrote: Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are "only as defect as the other guys". Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.ju
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:59 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi All; Another week has went by and I have not heard any time schedule for fixing the issue with not modifying the message header correctly. This continues to allow hundreds of spam messages to land in our customers mailboxes every day. Again, what is required to get this fixed? We are happy to send samples, message source examples, or whatever is required. Otherwise we are going to move to a gateway filter model and just abandon declude. How did declude get in a situation where phone calls, emails, and service tickets can just be ignored because no one wants to take the bull by the horn? I know that our business does not operate that way. I assume that my disappointment is showing thru, frankly at a loss. Herb -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Agreed Andy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:31 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Hi David; First, I'd like to thank you for your response, it is the first that I have had and I really appreciate it. I realize that the issue is the either accidentally or purposely malformed messages. I would assume that there is a whole spectrum of message rfc compliance out there, and everyone has to draw the line somewhere. In an ideal world we could apply some very exact rules and just say too bad, so sad and reject the messages. However customers would view this as I did not get my email and in effect a false positive. So, outright rejection would not be the solution I think. However, to answer your question, we have not approached smartermail on the issue as that is not our spam tool vendor. I think that any message that an email client can display should be viewed as compliant enough from a real world perspective, even tho I agree that philosophically that is not the way it should be. Do you have an idea as to what the time frame for an update to this will be? Take care, Herb David Barker wrote: Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Guenther Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:59 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi All; Another week has went by and I have not heard any time schedule for fixing the issue with not modifying the message header correctly. This continues to allow hundreds of spam messages to land in our customers mailboxes every day. Again, what is required to get this fixed? We are happy to send samples, message source examples, or whatever is required. Otherwise we are going to move to a gateway filter model and just abandon declude. How did declude get in a situation where phone calls, emails, and service tickets can just be ignored because no one wants to take the bull by the horn? I know that our business does not operate that way. I assume that my disappointment is showing thru, frankly at a loss. Herb -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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I agree. That and the fact that RFCs are non-enforceable standards. There are many cases of RFCs not being followed. We can't just decide which non-RFC situations to handle and which not. We also cannot force all non-standard mailers to adapt to our requirements. We must accept mail and process it appropriately, since we cannot control the sending parameters. This is especially true when all it entails on our part is handling an additional case while parsing the message. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Hi David: Pardon me - but lets not forget that we choose to pay Declude license and maintenance fees, precisely because of its claim of being superior in detecting viruses, vulnerabilities and RFC violations that other components are known to letting through. When your business model is based on the premise that you will be closing the holes that other components leave, then Declude cannot retreat behind an argument that you are only as defect as the other guys. Clearly, if Imail/Smartermail did act appropriately and offered all the features it should, then you wouldn't have a customer base in the first place. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Herb, I need to clarify something here. This source of this problem is that these messages do not conform to the RFC's and are extremely broken and should not be accepted by the mail server in the first place. That is the source of the problem, Declude is showing the symptom. Have you approached SmarterMail/Imail and asked them to fix this issue, either not accept the message or apply message standardization ? What was their response ? With that said, we are working on correcting this problem because clearly the Mail server is not doing it. Secondly, there are alternatives to marking the Subject line and having the mail server take action based on the headers. You could use actions like. # MAILBOX will move the E-mail to a user's folder (no, not a Windows directory) # ROUTETO will re-route the E-mail to an alternate address # HOLD will hold the message in the spool\spam directory. David B --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
Hi All; Another week has went by and I have not heard any time schedule for fixing the issue with not modifying the message header correctly. This continues to allow hundreds of spam messages to land in our customers mailboxes every day. Again, what is required to get this fixed? We are happy to send samples, message source examples, or whatever is required. Otherwise we are going to move to a gateway filter model and just abandon declude. How did declude get in a situation where phone calls, emails, and service tickets can just be ignored because no one wants to take the bull by the horn? I know that our business does not operate that way. I assume that my disappointment is showing thru, frankly at a loss. Herb -- Herb Guenther Lanex, LLC www.lanex.com (262)789-0966x102 Office (262)780-0424 Direct This e-mail is confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s)only. If you are not an intended recipient please advise us of our error by return e-mail then delete this e-mail and any attached files. You may not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Title: Message Thank Mike, The second I put that in, 3 were captured straight away. NICE! Kindest RegardsCraig Edmonds123 Marbella InternetW: www.123marbella.comE : [EMAIL PROTECTED]Marbella Guide Web PortalW: www.marbellaguide.comE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael JaworskiSent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:37 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blank body Subject Looks like the followingfilter is working well. Using the HOLD action to verify filter success/failure. Caught 32 in the last 5 minutes. Global.cfg FILTERMSCfilterD:\SmarterMail\declude\msc.txtx00 msc.txt HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS from:HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS subject: $default$.junkmail FILTERMSCHOLD D:\smartermail\spool\msc Mike---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Bunch more blank subject blank body
Must be either more broken spam or testing for a new spam storm. John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Title: Message Since my original post we've caught about 1200 of them. Looks like some of the IPs are showing up in Spamcop now. Mike -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:22 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bunch more blank subject blank body Must be either more broken spam or testing for a new spam storm. John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Title: Message I'd suggest that this would work better without false positives. The headers are missing darn near everything, the date, the message-id, the subject, and the from. Any one of these could be missing, but Michael's script will punish with a weight of 30 if either of the two tests trigger. Try this instead: begin of msc.txt --MINWEIGHTTOFAIL 2 HEADERS 1 NOTCONTAINS From:HEADERS 1 NOTCONTAINS Subject: endof msc.txt -- test definition in Global.cfg - FILTERMSCfilterD:\SmarterMail\declude\msc.txtx180 action definition in $default$.junkmail (for inbound) or global.cfg (for gatewayed domains) FILTERMSCWARN which will result in a hold weight of 20 on my system, with my weight20 action being a HOLD. For what it's worth, I'm seeing these hit the BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS and lots of RBL hits such as SPAMCOP, so these are pushed easily over my hold weight. Andrew 8) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael JaworskiSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:37 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blank body Subject Looks like the followingfilter is working well. Using the HOLD action to verify filter success/failure. Caught 32 in the last 5 minutes. Global.cfg FILTERMSCfilterD:\SmarterMail\declude\msc.txtx00 msc.txt HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS from:HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS subject: $default$.junkmail FILTERMSCHOLD D:\smartermail\spool\msc Mike---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
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Title: Message Anyone else getting slammed to just about every hosted domain with messages generally with a blank subject and body? Some messages with a return address. The body is of abasic empty html template. The headers lack to and from entries, though the Declude sender shows the sender's e-mail address. They seem to coming from just about every where. None of the spam filters are catching them. Looking back it appears they started June 9th and seem to be increasing. Looking for best advise on a Declude centered filter. Mike JaworskiPuget Sound Network, Inc.(206) 217-0400(800) 599-9485 ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blank body Subject
Title: Message Looks like the followingfilter is working well. Using the HOLD action to verify filter success/failure. Caught 32 in the last 5 minutes. Global.cfg FILTERMSCfilterD:\SmarterMail\declude\msc.txtx00 msc.txt HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS from:HEADERS30 NOTCONTAINS subject: $default$.junkmail FILTERMSCHOLD D:\smartermail\spool\msc Mike ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit report spam effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
With Declude you can add footers to text messages, and Sandy has an add-in that can add a footer to HTML messages. Or you could write a script to run as an external test in Declude (or plug it directly into the mail handling workflow) to parse the message and put a statement in the body of the message if it is being forwarded to an AOL address. You may have to check the registry to determine if it will be forwarded, though. I don't think you'll see that in the message itself due to the forwarding not occurring until after the message is delivered to the mailbox or alias. Darin. - Original Message - From: Marc Catuogno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit report spam effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
I should amend this by saying that functionality to append within Declude and Sandy's product append to all messages, so an external script would be necessary if you want to selectively append. Darin. - Original Message - From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail With Declude you can add footers to text messages, and Sandy has an add-in that can add a footer to HTML messages. Or you could write a script to run as an external test in Declude (or plug it directly into the mail handling workflow) to parse the message and put a statement in the body of the message if it is being forwarded to an AOL address. You may have to check the registry to determine if it will be forwarded, though. I don't think you'll see that in the message itself due to the forwarding not occurring until after the message is delivered to the mailbox or alias. Darin. - Original Message - From: Marc Catuogno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit report spam effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] curious about subject line
Just a curiosity: I received an email from someone at Veritas, and the subject line was: Fw: [WARNING - POSSIBLY NOT VIRUS SCANNED]Re: VERITAS Support: Case ID I'm assuming that this warning was added by their system? Why would they do that? If they knew it wasn't scanned, why wouldn't they go ahead and scan it? Ben Bednarz BC Web --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Strange messages (Subject: 1)
In the last hours a I can see some strange messages (see attached samples) send from different servers and obviously forged mailfrom adresses. Each message has as Subject and as Body 1 and an attached but empty file named 1.txt The mailfrom-adress seems to be the first part of the recipients adress + some random domain name. I've added 1.txt to the Declude Virus BANNAME-List. Markus ---BeginMessage--- 1 1.txt Description: Binary data ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- 1 1.txt Description: Binary data ---End Message---
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange messages (Subject: 1)
I have received a few of these myself. I have also banned 1.txt - considering a ban on *.txt temporarily because I get the feeling this is some kinda test. Marc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:56 PM To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Cc: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange messages (Subject: 1) In the last hours a I can see some strange messages (see attached samples) send from different servers and obviously forged mailfrom adresses. Each message has as Subject and as Body 1 and an attached but empty file named 1.txt The mailfrom-adress seems to be the first part of the recipients adress + some random domain name. I've added 1.txt to the Declude Virus BANNAME-List. Markus --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange messages (Subject: 1)
Andrew reported this on the Sniffer list yesterday. I'm pretty sure that this is either a zombie spammer that is testing out his bot network, or this is a coding mistake that caused him to spam the number instead of actual content. Matt Markus Gufler wrote: In the last hours a I can see some strange messages (see attached samples) send from different servers and obviously forged mailfrom adresses. Each message has as Subject and as Body "1" and an attached but empty file named "1.txt" The mailfrom-adress seems to be the first part of the recipients adress + some random domain name. I've added "1.txt" to the Declude Virus BANNAME-List. Markus Subject: 1 From: "Domain" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 04:39:05 +0200 To: "Domain" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Domain" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Subject: 1 From: "Markus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:52:21 +0200 To: "Markus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Markus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
[Declude.JunkMail] Off Subject But would like to know
Hello All I know that this has nothhing to do with Declude,but I figuared with the minds here I could find an answer. I have a customer that get mail for a client that uses exchange server to send there mail. All the mail has the body encoded is base64. Some of it readable with OE other is not. What I am seeing is that the mail that can be read the encoding ends with = or == the mail that can not br read ends with OK Good mail ending: SGkgTGVubnksDQogDQpXb3VsZCBpdCBiZSBwb3NzaWJsZSB0byBzZXQgdXAgYSB0ZXN0IHVzZXIgYWNjb3VudCBmb3IgbWUgb24gZXh0b2xvaGlvLmNvbT8gIEkgd2FudCB0byB3cmVzdGxlIHRoaXMgcHJvYmxlbSB3ZSBoYXZlIHRvIHRoZSBncm91bmQuICA6LSkNCiANClRoYW5rcywNCkJlY2t5DQo= Not good mail ending: SW4gZm9hbDoNCiANClN0eWxpc2ggWmlwcGVyDQpaaXBzIFN0eWxpc2ggSW52ZXN0bWVudA0KUHJp dmF0ZSBQbGVhc3VyZXMNClNvbm55cyBNaXNzIFJhem1pdGF6DQpBbWFyaWxsbyBaaXANCkhhcnRz IE4gUm9zZXMNClBvc3NvbSBSb3NlDQpERCBNYW5pYQ0KQXJ0IEkgUHJldHR5DQpaaXBzIENob2Nv bGF0ZSBTd2lybCAoRVQgLSAxIHJlY292ZXJlZCwgMSBsaXZpbmcpDQpaaXBwb3BvdGFtdXMgIChF VCAtIDIgcmVjb3ZlcmVkLCAxIGxpdmluZykNCkNyeXN0YWwgWmlwcGVyIChFVCAtIDMgcmVjb3Zl cmVkLCAxIGxpdmluZykNCkVsZWdhbnQgWmlwcG8gKEVUIC0gMSByZWNvdmVyZWQsIDEgbGl2aW5n KQ0KUmFjeSBSdW1vcnMgKEVUIC0gMiByZWNvdmVyZWQgLSB0b28gZWFybHkgdG8gY2hlY2sgdGhl bSkNClBsZWFzdXJlIFBlcnN1YXNpb24gKEVUIC0gMiByZWNvdmVyZWQsIDEgZGllZCwgMSB0b28g ZWFybHkgdG8gY2hlY2spDQpTaGUgQmUgU2Fzc3kgKEVUIC0gMSByZWNvdmVyZWQsIDAgbGl2aW5n ICsgT1YgeWVzdGVyZGF5KQ0KIA0KTm90IGV4YWN0bHkgc3VyZSBob3cgbWFueSBFVHMgdG90YWwg d2VyZSByZWNvdmVyZWQgZm9yIGVhY2ggbWFyZSwgYnV0IEkgdGhpbmsgdGhpcyBpcyByaWdodC4g IEkgYW0gc3VwcG9zZWQgdG8gYmUgZ2V0dGluZyBhIHJlcG9ydCBmYXhlZCB0byBtZSBzb29uLg0K IA0KTm90IEluIGZvYWw6DQpPbmEgSW1wdWxzZSAodG8gYmUgY2hlY2tlZCBzb29uKQ0KU3VyZSBE ZXNhcmF5IERpYW1vbmQgLSBJIGFtIGdvaW5nIHRvIGdvIG9uZSBtb3JlIHJvdW5kIG9uIGhlciBh bmQgbWF5IG5lZWQgc2VtZW4gdG9tb3Jyb3cgb3IgRnJpZGF5Lg0K Know if I change the "OK" to a "==" and sand it as a .eml OE reads it fine. I beleive the client is using owa to send the mail through the exchange serve. Any help you can give will help. Lenny Bauman
[Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
Hi, If a subject line is encoded like (all on one line): Subject: =?utf-8?B?RndkOiBbYmV0dGVybWVudF0gODYlIG9mZiBWaWNvZGluLiAgY291cmFnZW91c2 x5IHNhdmFnZXJz?= What it really says is: Fwd: [betterment] 86% off Vicodin. courageously savagers And I have a filter that looks for vicodin ANYWHERE 2 CONTAINS VICODIN The filter does not find it. I think it is because the subject line is encoded. Is there any way to check it with the filters? Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
And I have a filter that looks for vicodin ANYWHERE 2 CONTAINS VICODIN The filter does not find it. I think it is because the subject line is encoded. Is there any way to check it with the filters? Actually, I believe the issue is that ANYWHERE just looks at the subject and body (without doing any decoding). If you add a line: SUBJECT 2 CONTAINS VICODIN then it should get triggered. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
Declude will decode declude the subject tests Declude 1.82 found these: I've had hits in =?utf-8?B?Y2hlYXAgb2VtIHNvZnR3YXJlIHNoaXBwaW5nIHdvcmxkd2lkZS4gIHBvdW5jZWQgQ2 hhbmc=?= for SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS OEM Software I wonder if it doesn't decode the subject with an ANYWHERE test? - Original Message - From: Goran Jovanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines Hi, If a subject line is encoded like (all on one line): Subject: =?utf-8?B?RndkOiBbYmV0dGVybWVudF0gODYlIG9mZiBWaWNvZGluLiAgY291cmFnZW91c2 x5IHNhdmFnZXJz?= What it really says is: Fwd: [betterment] 86% off Vicodin. courageously savagers And I have a filter that looks for vicodin ANYWHERE 2 CONTAINS VICODIN The filter does not find it. I think it is because the subject line is encoded. Is there any way to check it with the filters? Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
Great - Fixed. Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines And I have a filter that looks for vicodin ANYWHERE 2 CONTAINS VICODIN The filter does not find it. I think it is because the subject line is encoded. Is there any way to check it with the filters? Actually, I believe the issue is that ANYWHERE just looks at the subject and body (without doing any decoding). If you add a line: SUBJECT 2 CONTAINS VICODIN then it should get triggered. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
Scott: If ANYWHERE only gets subject and body, then to fully cover everything in the message would we then need ANYWHERE# CONTAINS HEADERS # CONTAINS Thanks John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Actually, I believe the issue is that ANYWHERE just looks at the subject and body (without doing any decoding). If you add a line: SUBJECT 2 CONTAINS VICODIN then it should get triggered. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filters and encoded subject lines
If ANYWHERE only gets subject and body... Sorry, I meant that it covers the headers and body (but not any decoded parts). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] FW: Filters and encoded subject lines
Sending message again as the first one did not post. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -Original Message- From: Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:02 PM To: 'Declude.JunkMail@declude.com' Subject: Filters and encoded subject lines Hi, If a subject line is encoded like (all on one line): Subject: =?utf-8?B?RndkOiBbYmV0dGVybWVudF0gODYlIG9mZiBWaWNvZGluLiAgY291cmFnZW91c2 x5IHNhdmFnZXJz?= What it really says is: Fwd: [betterment] 86% off Vicodin. courageously savagers And I have a filter that looks for vicodin ANYWHERE 2 CONTAINS VICODIN The filter does not find it. I think it is because the subject line is encoded. Is there any way to check it with the filters? Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
Any news of the availability of the new release? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:50 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Scott. Any response to this. There should be a new release Monday that covers the issues from this week. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
There is a new build on www.declude.com 2.0.3 which has the fix in it. The only outstanding issue we are aware of is to do with the %localhost% for notifications. Regards Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:03 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Any news of the availability of the new release? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:50 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Scott. Any response to this. There should be a new release Monday that covers the issues from this week. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
If by saying the %LOCALHOST% meaning the wrong domain is used, that has been there for awhile and maybe my fault I have not said anything about it. Any thing I can do to test? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem There is a new build on www.declude.com 2.0.3 which has the fix in it. The only outstanding issue we are aware of is to do with the %localhost% for notifications. Regards Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:03 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Any news of the availability of the new release? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:50 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Scott. Any response to this. There should be a new release Monday that covers the issues from this week. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
I'll ask the guys to contact you off list tomorrow to discuss. Thanks for the offer. barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem If by saying the %LOCALHOST% meaning the wrong domain is used, that has been there for awhile and maybe my fault I have not said anything about it. Any thing I can do to test? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem There is a new build on www.declude.com 2.0.3 which has the fix in it. The only outstanding issue we are aware of is to do with the %localhost% for notifications. Regards Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:03 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Any news of the availability of the new release? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:50 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem Scott. Any response to this. There should be a new release Monday that covers the issues from this week. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update
We have been developing fixes designed to address the issues reported in the last few days and comprehensive testing will continue through the weekend. The results will be reviewed and further information will be released on Monday. Thanks for your patience. Declude Engineering --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update
I'm still running 1.81 and don't plan on changing that until all this ruckus gets settled down. :-) - Original Message - From: Ralph Krausse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update We have been developing fixes designed to address the issues reported in the last few days and comprehensive testing will continue through the weekend. The results will be reviewed and further information will be released on Monday. Thanks for your patience. Declude Engineering --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update
Thank you for the update. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Krausse Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:11 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update We have been developing fixes designed to address the issues reported in the last few days and comprehensive testing will continue through the weekend. The results will be reviewed and further information will be released on Monday. Thanks for your patience. Declude Engineering --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update
I'd upgrade to 1.82 if you use the spamheaders test. It's broken in 1.81. It's the only change between 1.81 and 1.82. - Original Message - From: Glenn \ WCNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update I'm still running 1.81 and don't plan on changing that until all this ruckus gets settled down. :-) - Original Message - From: Ralph Krausse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update We have been developing fixes designed to address the issues reported in the last few days and comprehensive testing will continue through the weekend. The results will be reviewed and further information will be released on Monday. Thanks for your patience. Declude Engineering --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update
I have that test disabled for the duration. - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update I'd upgrade to 1.82 if you use the spamheaders test. It's broken in 1.81. It's the only change between 1.81 and 1.82. - Original Message - From: Glenn \ WCNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update I'm still running 1.81 and don't plan on changing that until all this ruckus gets settled down. :-) - Original Message - From: Ralph Krausse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject: Declude 2.0 Update We have been developing fixes designed to address the issues reported in the last few days and comprehensive testing will continue through the weekend. The results will be reviewed and further information will be released on Monday. Thanks for your patience. Declude Engineering --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
Scott. Any response to this. Fred It shows this way in Spam Review and the Subject Line test also catches this. It was fixed in the 2.03b but after I installed the production 2.0 released by Barry it is now broken again. Fred - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem I am running the latest version (newly released 2.0) and the subject is showing =?iso-8859? The subject shouldn't appear that way in the E-mail itself. For Declude JunkMail usage, it may appear that way with the Subject starting with a colon issue, which has been fixed in the latest 2.0. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
Scott. Any response to this. There should be a new release Monday that covers the issues from this week. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
I am running the latest version (newly released 2.0) and the subject is showing =?iso-8859? Fred --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
I am running the latest version (newly released 2.0) and the subject is showing =?iso-8859? The subject shouldn't appear that way in the E-mail itself. For Declude JunkMail usage, it may appear that way with the Subject starting with a colon issue, which has been fixed in the latest 2.0. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem
I shows this way in Spam Review and the Subject Line test also catches this. It was fixed in the 2.03b but after I installed the production 2.0 released by Barry it is now broken again. Fred - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject problem I am running the latest version (newly released 2.0) and the subject is showing =?iso-8859? The subject shouldn't appear that way in the E-mail itself. For Declude JunkMail usage, it may appear that way with the Subject starting with a colon issue, which has been fixed in the latest 2.0. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I had the same problem. The declude.exe is about 1/2 of the size as the one it replaced. That actually is normal -- the old declude.exe file had quite a bit of extra (unnecessary) debugging code in it. This smaller version removes that code, which makes Declude slightly more efficient. I emailed support but I imagine they are fixing it, I have not heard back from them.. The person in charge of the install program just got in, so I expect you should get a response shortly. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I emailed support but I imagine they are fixing it, I have not heard back from them.. The person in charge of the install program just got in, so I expect you should get a response shortly. It is now 3 hours later. Any fix yet? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I received a phone call from Ralph at about 8:30 AM. Basically I was the engineer to fix the problem was having car problems and on his way in. They would call me on my cell when he came in a fixed it. I still have not received a call or e-mail that it has been fixed. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:47 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 I emailed support but I imagine they are fixing it, I have not heard back from them.. The person in charge of the install program just got in, so I expect you should get a response shortly. It is now 3 hours later. Any fix yet? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
John, I say give them time to do it right. Not giving things enough time previously is what has caused the present issues anyway. No one works well under an inordinate amount of pressure. Having had a major server crash just two weeks ago that required a complete rebuild, I know how hard this can be. Most of us have been there. I've moved to waiting patiently for a while after any new release of any software product that I use anyway, Declude included of course. Even things like anti-virus program updates have caused issues in the past, and we all know about the issues with IMail. Declude has stumbled several times since the changes took place last year, and in some respects, they have stumbled on each release. I trust that they already got the message that this couldn't continue, and now they are dealing with how to properly implement things so that they won't have these problems in the future. Unfortunately, but not necessarily unexpectedly, they are still grappling with all of this. I for one would like to see a normalized process of release, minor revision, hot fix and beta utilized. The 2.0 launch is a milestone for them, and I hope that they will work to implement this in the future. I'm not really uptight about it lacking currently because I see the need for this as being essential to any such business, and therefore believe that it will come in due time. We're still not quite over that hump yet however, so I'm still waiting patiently. Matt John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote: I received a phone call from Ralph at about 8:30 AM. Basically I was the engineer to fix the problem was having car problems and on his way in. They would call me on my cell when he came in a fixed it. I still have not received a call or e-mail that it has been fixed. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:47 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 I emailed support but I imagine they are fixing it, I have not heard back from them.. The person in charge of the install program just got in, so I expect you should get a response shortly. It is now 3 hours later. Any fix yet? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
[Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. Log lines and headers sent to support. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
FYI, I did not use the beta as the new version and process left me a little skeptical. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
Same here. This is the first beta I had not tested, after other experienced issues related to the new setup and I just didn't see any communication that sounded like others had successfully adopted. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:34 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 FYI, I did not use the beta as the new version and process left me a little skeptical. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I ave the same problem and have reverted to the previous 2.0 version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:58 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 Importance: High The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
That is another problem in the growing list: How do you know what version you have? Both of them showed version 2.0. Wasn't the beta 2.0b? if so, then that means the released version predates the beta version. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kornitz, David Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:21 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 I ave the same problem and have reverted to the previous 2.0 version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:58 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 Importance: High The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
In my case, I had downloaded the Full version last nightI agree that the version numbers should be changing or it will become more difficult to resolve problems for all of us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 That is another problem in the growing list: How do you know what version you have? Both of them showed version 2.0. Wasn't the beta 2.0b? if so, then that means the released version predates the beta version. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kornitz, David Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:21 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 I ave the same problem and have reverted to the previous 2.0 version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:58 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 Importance: High The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I had the same problem. The declude.exe is about 1/2 of the size as the one it replaced. I emailed support but I imagine they are fixing it, I have not heard back from them.. Don Hickey - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
I had the same problem today while installing v2.0. All Declude functions stopped. I called them and went back to the old version and everything works perfect, just like before. I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. Jeff Kratka -- Original Message -- From: John Tolmachoff \(Lists\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:58:06 -0800 The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- ** TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
Hanging on the new licensing routines? g This is why I never run stuff in production till it's old and tested. Jonathan At 11:30 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: I had the same problem today while installing v2.0. All Declude functions stopped. I called them and went back to the old version and everything works perfect, just like before. I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. Jeff Kratka -- Original Message -- From: John Tolmachoff \(Lists\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:58:06 -0800 The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- ** TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0
Jeff, the problem is everything does not work perfectly, as most likely every version has a problem with gmail and earthlink and weblists headers. This includes version 2.0 whatever. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:31 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 I had the same problem today while installing v2.0. All Declude functions stopped. I called them and went back to the old version and everything works perfect, just like before. I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. Jeff Kratka -- Original Message -- From: John Tolmachoff \(Lists\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:58:06 -0800 The latest version does not work at all, nothing, zilch, zippo. This is a disgrace. Downloaded and copied into the imail directory and ran declude -diag and all I got was the declude version line and then a line saying Imail configuration then several seconds and then back to a prompt. No output what so ever. Nothing in the logs at all. FIX THIS NOW! John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 The fix is in the current 2.0 download from the web site. Barry Simpson www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 And the fix will be when and in what form? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Problem with subject line in version 2.0 There appears to be a problem in version 2.0 where Declude is seeing the first character after the word subject as the start of the subject line. The first character is a colon and followed by a space and then the actual subject line. You are correct. I'm surprised this didn't get caught during the beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- ** TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
If you are still having issues, just let me know and I'll code something up for you. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like it's time to learn some VBScript. I can see how your HELOISREVDNS works, but after toying with it a bit, I'm at a loss on how to move from two defined strings to comparing a blank space. No biggie... I'll figure something out. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:15 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines No problem at all. I'm guilty of much worse, besides, I responded inappropriately. I seem to recall the ISBLANK option not working with SUBJECT. Could be wrong though, but a test of this would seem definitive. Make sure there are no tabs or spaces following ISBLANK, unlike other filters, this is just three columns. If it is confirmed not to work and you know VBScript, this could be done in a few lines of code and worked into Declude as an external test like so: 1) Split on double line break 2) Check first array position (using InStr) for CRLFSubject: CRLF 3) If a match is found, return an exit code (using WScript.Quit) of 10, otherwise an exit code of 0. See the HELOISREVDNS filter on my site for an example of a simple script and configuration that can be used in Declude as an external test. http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/beta/ Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have pro and my filters work, yet ISBLANK, IS BLANK, IS, and IS , all pass mail with blank subjects through. White listing plays no part. Do you know if that is supposed to work for sure? Thanks. Sorry for the vent earlier. I got my ass chewed REAL good today because I forget to do something. Normally I'd catch it in my "end of the day" email reviews... but this one had no subject, so I (accidentally?) overlooked it. Had it carried even the vaguest of subject lines, I think it would have caught my attention last night before I left for the day. Anywho, I'm determined to get them to include subject lines one way or another. Ideally it'll be mandatory as forced by either DecludeJunkMail or Imail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines If you have Junkmail Pro, try this as a Filter: SUBJECT 10ISBLANK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
[Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
If you have Junkmail Pro, try this as a Filter: SUBJECT 10ISBLANK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
My read is that he is only attempting to enforce the subject requirement on his on users within his own domain. So if he builds his rules appropriately, either as a specific domain rule or a combo filter, he should be able to apply the subject requirement to his own users/domain without affecting or bouncing messages to anyone outside his userbase/domain. Bill - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
It's not about blocking spam, it's about forcing employees to be sensible when it comes to electronic messages. I myself get between 20 - 30 emails a day from 1 employee that carry blank subjects. Dare I say 700 a month from one person? Memos, personal requests, outside of ramming their head into a file cabinet, I have tried it all. Then you have remote users who I don't have the pleasure of beating on daily. You want to talk about a very large problem... I'd love to have 1% or 2% of my messages with no subject line. As it stands right now, this very second, 20% of my corporate inbox is filled with messages that have blank subject lines. That's a very large problem. You want to come here a sift through 100 random e-mails trying to find something? I am fully aware of problem with bouncing mail and forged headers. But using the test or filter intra-domain will have no adverse effects on yours, or anyone's server... only mine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:35 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
True. Just be careful, and understand that you can't apply such actions to whitelisted E-mail. Matt Bill Landry wrote: My read is that he is only attempting to enforce the subject requirement on his on users within his own domain. So if he builds his rules appropriately, either as a specific domain rule or a combo filter, he should be able to apply the subject requirement to his own users/domain without affecting or bouncing messages to anyone outside his userbase/domain. Bill - Original Message - From: "Matt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
I didn't read your original post carefully enough and misunderstood the exact situation as a result. Sorry to have touched on your frustration. I agree, no-subject people are annoying, especially when they do so 20 times a day. Around here that's grounds for disciplinary action :) Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not about blocking spam, it's about forcing employees to be sensible when it comes to electronic messages. I myself get between 20 - 30 emails a day from 1 employee that carry blank subjects. Dare I say 700 a month from one person? Memos, personal requests, outside of ramming their head into a file cabinet, I have tried it all. Then you have remote users who I don't have the pleasure of beating on daily. You want to talk about a very large problem... I'd love to have 1% or 2% of my messages with no subject line. As it stands right now, this very second, 20% of my corporate inbox is filled with messages that have blank subject lines. That's a very large problem. You want to come here a sift through 100 random e-mails trying to find something? I am fully aware of problem with bouncing mail and forged headers. But using the test or filter intra-domain will have no adverse effects on yours, or anyone's server... only mine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:35 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
I've actually found that ramming their head into the cubicle wall works better than a filing cabinet. They're rather resilient and don't take too much damage, nor are they so hard that they'll actually knock out the luser and make them forget why you were assaulting them. I've got the same situation at my office with the blank subject lines internally, I don't bother telling people what to do, I just find a way to enforce it through software. If/when you get this figured out I am very interested in seeing how it was pulled off. In the mean time I'll tinker around on my server and see if I can get it to work. Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not about blocking spam, it's about forcing employees to be sensible when it comes to electronic messages. I myself get between 20 - 30 emails a day from 1 employee that carry blank subjects. Dare I say 700 a month from one person? Memos, personal requests, outside of ramming their head into a file cabinet, I have tried it all. Then you have remote users who I don't have the pleasure of beating on daily. You want to talk about a very large problem... I'd love to have 1% or 2% of my messages with no subject line. As it stands right now, this very second, 20% of my corporate inbox is filled with messages that have blank subject lines. That's a very large problem. You want to come here a sift through 100 random e-mails trying to find something? I am fully aware of problem with bouncing mail and forged headers. But using the test or filter intra-domain will have no adverse effects on yours, or anyone's server... only mine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:35 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Since a sizeable amount of blank subjects are spam and come from forged addresses, please don't bounce such messages. It's called backscatter, and it is a very large problem, typically amounting to 1% to 2% of my total mail volume. This is also common enough that you would also upset many customers. If you tweak your setup properly, you can tag blank subjects with a little weight and still not have issues with blocking legitimate E-mail while improving spam detection. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- S.J.Stanaitis Network Administrator, Decorative Product Source http://www.dpsource.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (877)-650-8054 x160
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines
I have pro and my filters work, yet ISBLANK, IS BLANK, IS, and IS , all pass mail with blank subjects through. White listing plays no part. Do you know if that is supposed to work for sure? Thanks. Sorry for the vent earlier. I got my ass chewed REAL good today because I forget to do something. Normally I'd catch it in my end of the day email reviews... but this one had no subject, so I (accidentally?) overlooked it. Had it carried even the vaguest of subject lines, I think it would have caught my attention last night before I left for the day. Anywho, I'm determined to get them to include subject lines one way or another. Ideally it'll be mandatory as forced by either DecludeJunkMail or Imail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines If you have Junkmail Pro, try this as a Filter: SUBJECT 10ISBLANK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter for blank subject lines Any previous talk on filtering for blank subject lines is 2 years old, so I'd like to present the question again, and/or make a new feature request. Within our corp, we have several employees who enjoy send their mails with no subject what-so-ever. Wrist slaps have done nothing to correct this problem. I'd like very much to bounce mails lacking subjects, informing the sender that to complete the delivery, they must resend with a completed subject line. I've tried using both SUBJECTCHARS and CONTSPACES, but they don't seem to work as I'd like. Is there a specific test or filter I can use to detect blank subject lines? TIA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
