Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Dave Fisher]

Hi,

One thing we could do with an external Wordpress is have tooling which captures 
posts and checks these into git.

We can probably do it with a WP addin. I've used a variation of this approach 
to provide content to an iOS app.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> Wordpress on apache infrastructure would require following every Wordpress 
> release which can be more frequently than monthly. The PMC would need to 
> provide the manpower to do this. We would also need to be careful about 
> plugins which can also have security issues.
> 
> I say if we can eat our Royale then that would be best. If we go with Git it 
> can be there and then we can refer to it from the official ask site and/or 
> merge the two under standard ASF CMS.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:36 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
>> and maintenance required.
>> 
>> Github pages should be a better place.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.
>>> 
>>> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
>>> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
>>> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
>>> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
>>> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
>>> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>>> 
>>> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
>>> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
>>> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
>>> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
>>> are ok with WordPress.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
>>> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
>>> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
>>> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
>>> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
>>> 
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
 since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
 charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
 WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
 
 WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
 convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
 the
 apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
 (code,
 GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)
 
 For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
 .as
 seems ok for me as well.
 I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
 me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
 board approve the new TLP and name.
 
 I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
 support
 as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
 approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
 make
 this website and branding work, of course.
 
 So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
 and
 of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
 low.
 
 
 
 
 2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
> 
> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
> our
> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
> solid
> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
> 
> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
> 
> My 2 

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Mark Thomas]

On 20/09/17 19:08, Alex Harui wrote:
> AIUI, we are going to build at least three sites:
> 
> 1) Royale.apache.org is a requirement.  And I think we have to use ASF CMS
> and whatever markup language it requires unless we generate html and js
> elsewhere and copy it in, which would be the case for any FlexJS/Royale
> apps.

No need to use the CMS.

Any system the project wants that results in a bunch of static files in
the right place in svn or git is fine.

Mark

> 
> 2) https://github.com/apache/royale.  Folks are going to land here quite
> often.  My understanding is that GH Pages can affect what folks land on.
> It doesn't have to be the standard page with the README.MD and a folder of
> files.  But I could be wrong about that.  Many GH projects mention a
> website on the standard landing page.  I don't know if we can make that
> something other than royale.apache.org.  We'll find out if we get to use
> GitBox.  If we can't I don't think we get to use GH Pages or control the
> landing page.
> 
> 3) Facebook/Royale.
> 
> The development of these 3 sites must be done the Apache Way and I suspect
> that there will be plenty of discussion on it.  I don't want to put stones
> in the road in front of Carlos.  I think he should go and build what he
> wants to build, host it on his hardware and show it to us.  Then we can
> ask for the minimum tweaks required to get approval as royale.xx.  If we
> can't agree on how to do that, Carlos can always publish it as
> royale.codeoscopic.com.  Domains of that pattern are supposedly easier to
> approve.
> 
> Also, we don't need to decide on royale.xx vs royale.yy if we can afford
> to get both.
> 
> Does that sound reasonable?
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On 9/20/17, 10:52 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I was not thinking in promote Codeoscopic, but if I can put a link in some
>> place, it would be ok.
>> In the end Codeoscopic is a product company and its customers are
>> insurance
>> companies, so there's no much interest for me in that regard or at least I
>> can see a logic relation since we don't sell "flex services" anymore.
>>
>> 2017-09-20 19:49 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>>
>>> True, that's a lot of rules.  Part of that is because we owe our hosts
>>> (the ASF) some "props".
>>>
>>> But that may be why it is easier for us to approve Carlos to do what we
>>> wants outside the project.  It will free him most of these rules.  AIUI,
>>> the only rules would then be:
>>> 1) make sure Apache is mentioned often enough
>>> 2) make sure there are enough links back to royale.apache.org
>>> 3) make sure he doesn't promote his company more than the project. (I
>>> think he is allowed to say the site is hosted by his company and some
>>> promotional info).
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> On 9/20/17, 10:36 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>>>
> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't
>>> be
> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.
>>> The
> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>
> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It
>>> has to
> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit
>>> WordPress
> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
> might
> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if
>>> they
> are ok with WordPress.
>

 That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity
>>> of
 the project...

 EdB



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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Alex Harui]

AIUI, one of the other "rules" for royale.apache.org is that it cannot run
web servers, so JSFiddle type of things may not be possible without
calling out to a server outside apache.org and thus facing cross-domain
issues.  I've seen some recent mention that Apache project can now get
their own VM, but that offer has been rescinded from time to time so I'm
concerned about betting on always having a VM.  So that's another reason
for a non-Apache site to host RoyaleFiddle.

Of course, I could be wrong...
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 11:09 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
 wrote:

>I use to update my WP installations regularly. I did it just minutes ago
>;)
>I get notifications when some update is ready. As others in the team will
>have admin privileges in the installation, we can organice us easily to
>see
>how is in charge of doing updates. Others in the team could only have
>editor profiles to avoid a bloated admin interface but be able to publish
>in the system.
>
>As I said we can in the future to change to a Royale App since we can get
>data from WP REST APIs, but based in my experience I think you'll end
>thinking that's not the right way as you manage the system for some time.
>
>For me the real goal to get is to make our landing very intuitive. If we
>get people that doesn't know anything about Flex or Royale, and can make
>them understand and try it in minutes, we can transform that visit in a
>new
>Royale user, and that should be our real target.
>
>If you see competitors sites, they post code to show people what can they
>do. It's easy to post code in the same way, but we could make a difference
>if we can create a Royale App that could run the code posted and make
>people do updates in our home to see how easy is to get ready with Royale.
>
>If we get something like that I'm sure we'll make people get on board.
>
>We should plan as well a great launch of our new brand and website as we
>get ready talking with as most tech sites as we can to make people turn
>their heads and look at us.
>
>
>
>
>
>2017-09-20 19:51 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher :
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Wordpress on apache infrastructure would require following every
>>Wordpress
>> release which can be more frequently than monthly. The PMC would need to
>> provide the manpower to do this. We would also need to be careful about
>> plugins which can also have security issues.
>>
>> I say if we can eat our Royale then that would be best. If we go with
>>Git
>> it can be there and then we can refer to it from the official ask site
>> and/or merge the two under standard ASF CMS.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:36 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security
>>issues
>> > and maintenance required.
>> >
>> > Github pages should be a better place.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Om
>> >
>> > On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui" 
>>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hmm.
>> >>
>> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't
>>be
>> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
>> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
>> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.
>>The
>> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
>> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>> >>
>> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It
>>has to
>> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit
>>WordPress
>> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
>> might
>> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if
>>they
>> >> are ok with WordPress.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web
>>presence.
>> >> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built
>>in
>> >> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know
>>that
>> >> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in
>>the
>> >> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
>> >>
>> >> My 2 cents,
>> >> -Alex
>> >>
>> >> [1] 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
>>e.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fdomains.html=02%7C01%7C%7C4fca064ec1484
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>>d=0
>> >>
>> >> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
>> Rovira"
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Alex,
>> >>>
>> >>> that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in
>> Wordpress
>> >>> since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the
>>person in
>> >>> charge to make 

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

I cannot find it either. We need to remove his vote. That does not change the 
winner and only swaps the 3r and 4th place.

Regards,
Dave


> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave for posting the summary.
> 
> I cannot find record of Tom's vote in my email or on lists.a.o.  It is 
> bugging me because that means I wasn't sending out the right totals 
> yesterday.  And we should record here where to find his vote in the archives. 
>  What day did he send it?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Alex
> 
> From: Dave Fisher >
> Reply-To: "dev@flex.apache.org" 
> >
> Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:45 AM
> To: "dev@flex.apache.org" 
> >
> Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed 
> fork of FlexJS?
> 
> Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:
> 
> NAME:   Piotr   ErikCarlos  Chris   Harbs   Yishay  Peter   DaveOm
>   OlafMarkJeffry  AlexJustin  Tom Sum Count
> Royale  1   3   2   3   1 
>   2   3   1   16  8
> Bead (Beads)2   2 
>   1   3   2   3   2   15  7
> Braid   2   1   2   3 
>   1   2   3   14  7
> Limber (Limbr)  3   3   3 
>   2   1   1   13  6
> Arise   3   1   2 
>   3   9   4
> Boja2   1 
>   3   2   8   4
> Bend3 
>   3   1
> Crown   2 
>   2   1
> Strand
>   1   1   1
> Action  1 
>   1   1
> Total   6   6   5   6   6   6   5   6   0 
>   6   6   6   6   6   6   82  15
> Not voted   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   0 
>   6   0   0   0   0   0   0   8
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz 
> > wrote:
> 
> As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
> spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.
> 
> If you will see anything more let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Piotr
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Apache Flex PMC
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

I think that's right Alex,

I think I can start creating as we get boards approval for "Royale"

Thanks

2017-09-20 20:08 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :

> AIUI, we are going to build at least three sites:
>
> 1) Royale.apache.org is a requirement.  And I think we have to use ASF CMS
> and whatever markup language it requires unless we generate html and js
> elsewhere and copy it in, which would be the case for any FlexJS/Royale
> apps.
>
> 2) https://github.com/apache/royale.  Folks are going to land here quite
> often.  My understanding is that GH Pages can affect what folks land on.
> It doesn't have to be the standard page with the README.MD and a folder of
> files.  But I could be wrong about that.  Many GH projects mention a
> website on the standard landing page.  I don't know if we can make that
> something other than royale.apache.org.  We'll find out if we get to use
> GitBox.  If we can't I don't think we get to use GH Pages or control the
> landing page.
>
> 3) Facebook/Royale.
>
> The development of these 3 sites must be done the Apache Way and I suspect
> that there will be plenty of discussion on it.  I don't want to put stones
> in the road in front of Carlos.  I think he should go and build what he
> wants to build, host it on his hardware and show it to us.  Then we can
> ask for the minimum tweaks required to get approval as royale.xx.  If we
> can't agree on how to do that, Carlos can always publish it as
> royale.codeoscopic.com.  Domains of that pattern are supposedly easier to
> approve.
>
> Also, we don't need to decide on royale.xx vs royale.yy if we can afford
> to get both.
>
> Does that sound reasonable?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 9/20/17, 10:52 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Alex,
> >
> >I was not thinking in promote Codeoscopic, but if I can put a link in some
> >place, it would be ok.
> >In the end Codeoscopic is a product company and its customers are
> >insurance
> >companies, so there's no much interest for me in that regard or at least I
> >can see a logic relation since we don't sell "flex services" anymore.
> >
> >2017-09-20 19:49 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> >
> >> True, that's a lot of rules.  Part of that is because we owe our hosts
> >> (the ASF) some "props".
> >>
> >> But that may be why it is easier for us to approve Carlos to do what we
> >> wants outside the project.  It will free him most of these rules.  AIUI,
> >> the only rules would then be:
> >> 1) make sure Apache is mentioned often enough
> >> 2) make sure there are enough links back to royale.apache.org
> >> 3) make sure he doesn't promote his company more than the project. (I
> >> think he is allowed to say the site is hosted by his company and some
> >> promotional info).
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/20/17, 10:36 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't
> >>be
> >> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> >> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> >> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.
> >>The
> >> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> >> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
> >> >>
> >> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It
> >>has to
> >> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit
> >>WordPress
> >> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
> >> >>might
> >> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if
> >>they
> >> >> are ok with WordPress.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity
> >>of
> >> >the project...
> >> >
> >> >EdB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Ix Multimedia Software
> >> >
> >> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >> >3521 VB Utrecht
> >> >
> >> >T. 06-51952295
> >> >I.
> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>
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> www.ixsoftware.nl
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> >
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> >
> >Carlos Rovira
> >
> >Director General
> >
> >M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

I use to update my WP installations regularly. I did it just minutes ago ;)
I get notifications when some update is ready. As others in the team will
have admin privileges in the installation, we can organice us easily to see
how is in charge of doing updates. Others in the team could only have
editor profiles to avoid a bloated admin interface but be able to publish
in the system.

As I said we can in the future to change to a Royale App since we can get
data from WP REST APIs, but based in my experience I think you'll end
thinking that's not the right way as you manage the system for some time.

For me the real goal to get is to make our landing very intuitive. If we
get people that doesn't know anything about Flex or Royale, and can make
them understand and try it in minutes, we can transform that visit in a new
Royale user, and that should be our real target.

If you see competitors sites, they post code to show people what can they
do. It's easy to post code in the same way, but we could make a difference
if we can create a Royale App that could run the code posted and make
people do updates in our home to see how easy is to get ready with Royale.

If we get something like that I'm sure we'll make people get on board.

We should plan as well a great launch of our new brand and website as we
get ready talking with as most tech sites as we can to make people turn
their heads and look at us.





2017-09-20 19:51 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher :

> Hi -
>
> Wordpress on apache infrastructure would require following every Wordpress
> release which can be more frequently than monthly. The PMC would need to
> provide the manpower to do this. We would also need to be careful about
> plugins which can also have security issues.
>
> I say if we can eat our Royale then that would be best. If we go with Git
> it can be there and then we can refer to it from the official ask site
> and/or merge the two under standard ASF CMS.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:36 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala 
> wrote:
> >
> > I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
> > and maintenance required.
> >
> > Github pages should be a better place.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm.
> >>
> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
> >>
> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
> might
> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> >> are ok with WordPress.
> >>
> >> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
> >> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
> >> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
> >> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
> >> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> >>
> >> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Alex,
> >>>
> >>> that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in
> Wordpress
> >>> since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
> >>> charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in
> the
> >>> WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
> >>>
> >>> WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
> >>> convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
> >>> the
> >>> apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
> >>> (code,
> >>> GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so
> on)
> >>>
> >>> For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
> >>> .as
> >>> seems ok for me as well.
> >>> I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok
> for
> >>> me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
> >>> board approve the new TLP and name.
> >>>
> >>> I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
> >>> support
> >>> as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
> >>> approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me 

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Alex Harui]

AIUI, we are going to build at least three sites:

1) Royale.apache.org is a requirement.  And I think we have to use ASF CMS
and whatever markup language it requires unless we generate html and js
elsewhere and copy it in, which would be the case for any FlexJS/Royale
apps.

2) https://github.com/apache/royale.  Folks are going to land here quite
often.  My understanding is that GH Pages can affect what folks land on.
It doesn't have to be the standard page with the README.MD and a folder of
files.  But I could be wrong about that.  Many GH projects mention a
website on the standard landing page.  I don't know if we can make that
something other than royale.apache.org.  We'll find out if we get to use
GitBox.  If we can't I don't think we get to use GH Pages or control the
landing page.

3) Facebook/Royale.

The development of these 3 sites must be done the Apache Way and I suspect
that there will be plenty of discussion on it.  I don't want to put stones
in the road in front of Carlos.  I think he should go and build what he
wants to build, host it on his hardware and show it to us.  Then we can
ask for the minimum tweaks required to get approval as royale.xx.  If we
can't agree on how to do that, Carlos can always publish it as
royale.codeoscopic.com.  Domains of that pattern are supposedly easier to
approve.

Also, we don't need to decide on royale.xx vs royale.yy if we can afford
to get both.

Does that sound reasonable?

-Alex

On 9/20/17, 10:52 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
 wrote:

>Hi Alex,
>
>I was not thinking in promote Codeoscopic, but if I can put a link in some
>place, it would be ok.
>In the end Codeoscopic is a product company and its customers are
>insurance
>companies, so there's no much interest for me in that regard or at least I
>can see a logic relation since we don't sell "flex services" anymore.
>
>2017-09-20 19:49 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>
>> True, that's a lot of rules.  Part of that is because we owe our hosts
>> (the ASF) some "props".
>>
>> But that may be why it is easier for us to approve Carlos to do what we
>> wants outside the project.  It will free him most of these rules.  AIUI,
>> the only rules would then be:
>> 1) make sure Apache is mentioned often enough
>> 2) make sure there are enough links back to royale.apache.org
>> 3) make sure he doesn't promote his company more than the project. (I
>> think he is allowed to say the site is hosted by his company and some
>> promotional info).
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 9/20/17, 10:36 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>>
>> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't
>>be
>> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
>> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
>> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.
>>The
>> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
>> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>> >>
>> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It
>>has to
>> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit
>>WordPress
>> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
>> >>might
>> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if
>>they
>> >> are ok with WordPress.
>> >>
>> >
>> >That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity
>>of
>> >the project...
>> >
>> >EdB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
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>> >
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>> >3521 VB Utrecht
>> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Alex,

I was not thinking in promote Codeoscopic, but if I can put a link in some
place, it would be ok.
In the end Codeoscopic is a product company and its customers are insurance
companies, so there's no much interest for me in that regard or at least I
can see a logic relation since we don't sell "flex services" anymore.

2017-09-20 19:49 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :

> True, that's a lot of rules.  Part of that is because we owe our hosts
> (the ASF) some "props".
>
> But that may be why it is easier for us to approve Carlos to do what we
> wants outside the project.  It will free him most of these rules.  AIUI,
> the only rules would then be:
> 1) make sure Apache is mentioned often enough
> 2) make sure there are enough links back to royale.apache.org
> 3) make sure he doesn't promote his company more than the project. (I
> think he is allowed to say the site is hosted by his company and some
> promotional info).
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/20/17, 10:36 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>
> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
> >>
> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
> >>might
> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> >> are ok with WordPress.
> >>
> >
> >That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity of
> >the project...
> >
> >EdB
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> >T. 06-51952295
> >I.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

Wordpress on apache infrastructure would require following every Wordpress 
release which can be more frequently than monthly. The PMC would need to 
provide the manpower to do this. We would also need to be careful about plugins 
which can also have security issues.

I say if we can eat our Royale then that would be best. If we go with Git it 
can be there and then we can refer to it from the official ask site and/or 
merge the two under standard ASF CMS.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:36 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala  wrote:
> 
> I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
> and maintenance required.
> 
> Github pages should be a better place.
> 
> Thanks,
> Om
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> 
>> Hmm.
>> 
>> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
>> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
>> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
>> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
>> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
>> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>> 
>> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
>> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
>> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
>> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
>> are ok with WordPress.
>> 
>> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
>> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
>> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
>> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
>> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
>> 
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>> 
>> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
>>> since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
>>> charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
>>> WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
>>> 
>>> WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
>>> convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
>>> the
>>> apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
>>> (code,
>>> GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)
>>> 
>>> For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
>>> .as
>>> seems ok for me as well.
>>> I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
>>> me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
>>> board approve the new TLP and name.
>>> 
>>> I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
>>> support
>>> as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
>>> approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
>>> make
>>> this website and branding work, of course.
>>> 
>>> So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
>>> and
>>> of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
>>> low.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>>> 
 Hi Carlos,
 
 We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
 about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
 redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
 least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
 association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
 page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
 
 But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
 our
 hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
 solid
 web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
 
 Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
 Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
 
 My 2 cents,
 -Alex
 
 On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
 Rovira"
 
 wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> 
> @Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out
 there
> that would fit for us" ;)
> 
> @Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for 

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[piotrz]

Alex,

I would like to see getting the website done in FlexJS for a long time. If
Carlos will design the things, let's see what can we actually do. It just
would be awesome not waiting half year or so to launch our website. 

+1 for building it in FlexJS, but before that we should have some start - no
matter in what technology. Nice and shiny website. :)

Let's give Carlos free what kind of design it will be and we will see how
much work it need to be putted in order to have it in FlexJS.

Piotr



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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi,

as Erik stated, apache put stones on our road, and we must look more
careful were you step.

@Om, my problem with gihub pages is that I can't get the same product that
I could do in WP. Take a look at one of my websites (i.e
https://www.avant2.es). Maybe I could get a final static page, but in the
end, we'll lost all the benefits of the WP publishing system and resource
management. Github pages are very simple.

@Alex, nowadays is normal to use each tool for what it was build. If we
want to expose real Apps, we can make a showcase section that people will
want to look at, Other path is to make a Royale App that consume the new WP
REST API, but that should happen as Royale gets more expression options,
since right now it can't compete with a great WP theme that will has a
great design. For me the right step in our actual situation is to create a
showcase section in the site and in the future recheck to see if we still
want Wordpress or we can go with some custom website build in Royale




2017-09-20 19:36 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :

> > I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> > hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> > Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> > third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> > policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> > implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
> >
> > IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> > be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> > themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
> > have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> > are ok with WordPress.
> >
>
> That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity of
> the project...
>
> EdB
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Alex Harui]

True, that's a lot of rules.  Part of that is because we owe our hosts
(the ASF) some "props".

But that may be why it is easier for us to approve Carlos to do what we
wants outside the project.  It will free him most of these rules.  AIUI,
the only rules would then be:
1) make sure Apache is mentioned often enough
2) make sure there are enough links back to royale.apache.org
3) make sure he doesn't promote his company more than the project. (I
think he is allowed to say the site is hosted by his company and some
promotional info).

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 10:36 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:

>> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
>> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
>> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
>> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
>> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
>> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>>
>> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
>> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
>> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
>>might
>> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
>> are ok with WordPress.
>>
>
>That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity of
>the project...
>
>EdB
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Erik de Bruin]

> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>
> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> are ok with WordPress.
>

That is an awful lot of rules that seem to work against the creativity of
the project...

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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
and maintenance required.

Github pages should be a better place.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> Hmm.
>
> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>
> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> are ok with WordPress.
>
> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>
> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Alex,
> >
> >that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
> >since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
> >charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
> >WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
> >
> >WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
> >convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
> >the
> >apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
> >(code,
> >GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)
> >
> >For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
> >.as
> >seems ok for me as well.
> >I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
> >me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
> >board approve the new TLP and name.
> >
> >I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
> >support
> >as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
> >approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
> >make
> >this website and branding work, of course.
> >
> >So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
> >and
> >of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
> >low.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> >
> >> Hi Carlos,
> >>
> >> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> >> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> >> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> >> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> >> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> >> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
> >>
> >> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
> >>our
> >> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
> >>solid
> >> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
> >>
> >> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> >> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> >>Rovira"
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> >> >
> >> >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out
> >>there
> >> >that would fit for us" ;)
> >> >
> >> >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the
> >>service
> >> >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as
> >>many
> >> >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
> >> >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
> >> >external servers or tools actually.
> >> >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website
> >>and
> >> >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> >> >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
> >> >hopeless
> >> >to work in and organization with such limitations.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Alex Harui]

OK, well it doesn't affect the outcome, but Tom, can you forward your vote
to dev@ so the archives match the totals?

I think we can count it even if it didn't hit the list on time.  At least,
it is close enough for me.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 10:13 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

>Alex,
>
>You are right! I just checked in the email chain and I see Tom's vote, but
>he did mistake and send it only to me!!
>
>Vote was as we see in the summary.
>
>Piotr
>
>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 19:02 Alex Harui  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave for posting the summary.
>>
>> I cannot find record of Tom's vote in my email or on lists.a.o.  It is
>> bugging me because that means I wasn't sending out the right totals
>> yesterday.  And we should record here where to find his vote in the
>> archives.  What day did he send it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Alex
>>
>> From: Dave Fisher >
>> Reply-To: "dev@flex.apache.org" <
>> dev@flex.apache.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:45 AM
>> To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
>>> >
>> Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for
>> Proposed fork of FlexJS?
>>
>> Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:
>>
>> NAME:   Piotr   ErikCarlos  Chris   Harbs   Yishay  Peter   Dave
>> Om  OlafMarkJeffry  AlexJustin  Tom Sum Count
>> Royale  1   3   2   3   1
>>  2   3   1   16  8
>> Bead (Beads)2
>>2
>>  1   3   2   3   2   15  7
>> Braid   2   1   2   3
>>  1   2   3   14  7
>> Limber (Limbr)  3   3   3
>>  2   1   1   13  6
>> Arise   3   1   2
>>  3   9   4
>> Boja2   1
>>  3   2   8   4
>> Bend3
>>  3   1
>> Crown   2
>>  2   1
>> Strand
>>   1   1   1
>> Action  1
>>  1   1
>> Total   6   6   5   6   6   6   5   6
>>0
>>  6   6   6   6   6   6   82  15
>> Not voted   0   0   1   0   0   0   1
>>0
>>  6   0   0   0   0   0   0   8
>>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz  piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in
>>the
>> spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.
>>
>> If you will see anything more let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Piotr
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Apache Flex PMC
>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
>> --
>> Sent from: 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fl
>>ex-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C6d955d12d64e4f3
>>df01008d5004aecbc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364152441
>>71277674=DT5XsA1ryzRZDRmdu8DiZ%2BzqIPeMvzSq8Hj7n%2FshFCU%3D
>>d=0
>>
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Alex Harui]

Hmm.  

I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.

IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
are ok with WordPress.

Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?

My 2 cents,
-Alex

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html

On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
 wrote:

>Hi Alex,
>
>that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
>since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
>charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
>WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
>
>WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
>convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
>the
>apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
>(code,
>GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)
>
>For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
>.as
>seems ok for me as well.
>I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
>me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
>board approve the new TLP and name.
>
>I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
>support
>as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
>approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
>make
>this website and branding work, of course.
>
>So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
>and
>of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
>low.
>
>
>
>
>2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
>> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
>> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
>> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
>> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
>> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
>>
>> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
>>our
>> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
>>solid
>> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
>>
>> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
>> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
>>Rovira"
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
>> >
>> >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out
>>there
>> >that would fit for us" ;)
>> >
>> >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the
>>service
>> >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as
>>many
>> >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
>> >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
>> >external servers or tools actually.
>> >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website
>>and
>> >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
>> >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
>> >hopeless
>> >to work in and organization with such limitations.
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :
>> >
>> >> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
>> >> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more
>>than
>> >> the 1st runner up.
>> >> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and
>>job
>> >> ads might sound strange.
>> >> Just imagine:
>> >> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >>
>> 

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Alex,

You are right! I just checked in the email chain and I see Tom's vote, but
he did mistake and send it only to me!!

Vote was as we see in the summary.

Piotr

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 19:02 Alex Harui  wrote:

> Thanks Dave for posting the summary.
>
> I cannot find record of Tom's vote in my email or on lists.a.o.  It is
> bugging me because that means I wasn't sending out the right totals
> yesterday.  And we should record here where to find his vote in the
> archives.  What day did he send it?
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> From: Dave Fisher >
> Reply-To: "dev@flex.apache.org" <
> dev@flex.apache.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:45 AM
> To: "dev@flex.apache.org"  >
> Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for
> Proposed fork of FlexJS?
>
> Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:
>
> NAME:   Piotr   ErikCarlos  Chris   Harbs   Yishay  Peter   Dave
> Om  OlafMarkJeffry  AlexJustin  Tom Sum Count
> Royale  1   3   2   3   1
>  2   3   1   16  8
> Bead (Beads)2   2
>  1   3   2   3   2   15  7
> Braid   2   1   2   3
>  1   2   3   14  7
> Limber (Limbr)  3   3   3
>  2   1   1   13  6
> Arise   3   1   2
>  3   9   4
> Boja2   1
>  3   2   8   4
> Bend3
>  3   1
> Crown   2
>  2   1
> Strand
>   1   1   1
> Action  1
>  1   1
> Total   6   6   5   6   6   6   5   6   0
>  6   6   6   6   6   6   82  15
> Not voted   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   0
>  6   0   0   0   0   0   0   8
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz > wrote:
>
> As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
> spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.
>
> If you will see anything more let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
>
> -
> Apache Flex PMC
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Piotr,

as you said, I'll go for WP, but we can point to some GitHub pages if we
need. That would be more clear as we start the website development

2017-09-20 18:56 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :

> I think Carlos's idea with using wordpress can be better one. He can build
> based on that system our website much faster. I don't think we will have so
> much possibility visually using github pages.
>
> Although in githubpages I would see Olaf's documentation [1].
>
> [1] https://github.com/ok-at-github/flexjs-docs/wiki
>
> Thanks, Piotr
>
> 2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> > about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> > redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> > least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> > association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> > page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
> >
> > But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
> our
> > hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
> solid
> > web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
> >
> > Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> > Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> > >
> > >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out
> there
> > >that would fit for us" ;)
> > >
> > >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the service
> > >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as many
> > >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
> > >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
> > >external servers or tools actually.
> > >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website
> and
> > >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> > >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
> > >hopeless
> > >to work in and organization with such limitations.
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :
> > >
> > >> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
> > >> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more
> than
> > >> the 1st runner up.
> > >> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and
> job
> > >> ads might sound strange.
> > >> Just imagine:
> > >> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
> > >> :)
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
> > >>>
> > >>> Royale.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are
> reasons,
> > >>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
> > >>>
> > >>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board
> > >>>first.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think
> if
> > >>>we
> > > can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
> > > "apacheroyale.XXX".
> > >
> > > .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted
> >  upon.
> >  Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want
> > anything
> >  like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
> > 
> >  Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
> > 
> >  I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation
> takes
> >  over
> >  and then transfer the domain.
> > 
> >  Thanks,
> > 
> >  EdB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  --
> >  Ix Multimedia Software
> > 
> >  Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >  3521 VB Utrecht
> > 
> >  T. 06-51952295
> >  I.
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > www.ixsoftware.nl
> > ta=02%7C01%7C%7Cab05fef4543644f67e2c08d5003c
> > ad9e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794ae
> > d2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636415182976392829=
> > LDQFlmzgCBkY3NyhB%2BZ1W
> > bJnC6FcmPRRXhB7Ltggre8%3D=0
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > > > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo
> > >scopic.com=02%7C01%7C%7Cab05fef4543644f67e2c08d5003c
> > ad9e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Alex Harui]

Thanks Dave for posting the summary.

I cannot find record of Tom's vote in my email or on lists.a.o.  It is bugging 
me because that means I wasn't sending out the right totals yesterday.  And we 
should record here where to find his vote in the archives.  What day did he 
send it?

Thanks,
-Alex

From: Dave Fisher >
Reply-To: "dev@flex.apache.org" 
>
Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:45 AM
To: "dev@flex.apache.org" 
>
Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed 
fork of FlexJS?

Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:

NAME:   Piotr   ErikCarlos  Chris   Harbs   Yishay  Peter   DaveOm  
OlafMarkJeffry  AlexJustin  Tom Sum Count
Royale  1   3   2   3   1   
2   3   1   16  8
Bead (Beads)2   2   
1   3   2   3   2   15  7
Braid   2   1   2   3   
1   2   3   14  7
Limber (Limbr)  3   3   3   
2   1   1   13  6
Arise   3   1   2   
3   9   4
Boja2   1   
3   2   8   4
Bend3   
3   1
Crown   2   
2   1
Strand  
1   1   1
Action  1   
1   1
Total   6   6   5   6   6   6   5   6   0   
6   6   6   6   6   6   82  15
Not voted   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   0   
6   0   0   0   0   0   0   8


On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz 
> wrote:

As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.

If you will see anything more let me know.

Thanks,
Piotr



-
Apache Flex PMC
piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
--
Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Alex,

that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.

WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in the
apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now (code,
GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)

For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but .as
seems ok for me as well.
I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
board approve the new TLP and name.

I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to support
as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to make
this website and branding work, of course.

So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as, and
of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
low.




2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :

> Hi Carlos,
>
> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
>
> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be our
> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a solid
> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
>
> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> >
> >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out there
> >that would fit for us" ;)
> >
> >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the service
> >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as many
> >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
> >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
> >external servers or tools actually.
> >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website and
> >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
> >hopeless
> >to work in and organization with such limitations.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :
> >
> >> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
> >> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more than
> >> the 1st runner up.
> >> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and job
> >> ads might sound strange.
> >> Just imagine:
> >> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
> >>>
> >>> Royale.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons,
> >>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
> >>>
> >>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board
> >>>first.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if
> >>>we
> > can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
> > "apacheroyale.XXX".
> >
> > .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted
>  upon.
>  Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want
> anything
>  like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
> 
>  Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
> 
>  I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes
>  over
>  and then transfer the domain.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  EdB
> 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Piotr Zarzycki]

I think Carlos's idea with using wordpress can be better one. He can build
based on that system our website much faster. I don't think we will have so
much possibility visually using github pages.

Although in githubpages I would see Olaf's documentation [1].

[1] https://github.com/ok-at-github/flexjs-docs/wiki

Thanks, Piotr

2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :

> Hi Carlos,
>
> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
>
> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be our
> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a solid
> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
>
> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> >
> >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out there
> >that would fit for us" ;)
> >
> >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the service
> >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as many
> >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
> >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
> >external servers or tools actually.
> >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website and
> >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
> >hopeless
> >to work in and organization with such limitations.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :
> >
> >> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
> >> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more than
> >> the 1st runner up.
> >> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and job
> >> ads might sound strange.
> >> Just imagine:
> >> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
> >>>
> >>> Royale.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons,
> >>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
> >>>
> >>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board
> >>>first.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if
> >>>we
> > can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
> > "apacheroyale.XXX".
> >
> > .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted
>  upon.
>  Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want
> anything
>  like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
> 
>  Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
> 
>  I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes
>  over
>  and then transfer the domain.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  EdB
> 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Alex Harui]

Hi Carlos,

We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".

But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be our
hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a solid
web presence there, again within Apache's rules.

Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
Royale.as appears to be unregistered.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
 wrote:

>Hi,
>
>as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
>
>@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out there
>that would fit for us" ;)
>
>@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the service
>apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as many
>other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
>tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
>external servers or tools actually.
>For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website and
>there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
>apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
>hopeless
>to work in and organization with such limitations.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :
>
>> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
>> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more than
>> the 1st runner up.
>> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and job
>> ads might sound strange.
>> Just imagine:
>> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
>> :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
>>>
>>> Royale.apache.org
>>>
>>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons,
>>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
>>>
>>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board
>>>first.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:
>>>
>>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if
>>>we
> can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
> "apacheroyale.XXX".
>
> .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted
 upon.
 Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want
anything
 like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?

 Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?

 I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes
 over
 and then transfer the domain.

 Thanks,

 EdB



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Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Alex Harui]

Hi Harbs, Yishay,

Congratulation on your migration!

I agree, everyone who has contributed to our PAYG philosophy and use of
Beads deserves credit.  It may not be fair to say that all performance
gains are due to the coding patterns we've used.  The JS runtimes in the
browsers have gotten much faster and at startup, you don't spend time
loading and initializing the Flash Player.  But you and Yishay have proven
that you can reproduce an existing Flex app feature-for-feature, save time
in migration by choosing FlexJS and don't have to sacrifice performance
and can even improve it.

Congratulations again, and thank you for contributions to FlexJS.
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 12:28 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
>getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
>
>The feedback has been good so far.
>
>I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
>> Super fast and responsive
>I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
>is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
>network IO, etc.
>
>This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
>optimizations on my todo list.
>
>It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
>passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
>designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
>
>We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks
>yet, but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just
>about any other framework.
>
>Harbs

Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Angelo Lazzari]

We are still getting in thouch with last graphic tendencies, behaviours and
so on... We will soon share a doc with the result...the plan is: get info
and ideas
- Create the doc
- Share the doc and get your opinion
- Elaborate the fonal doc
- Create ui on doc detail


This should be the road map...

Angelo



On mié., 20 de septiembre de 2017 10:05 Carlos Rovira <
carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

> Angelo,
>
> great, great news!. I think UI design is crucial for us, so that work would
> be very appreciated! :)
>
> Could Trevor and you share something of your work?
>
> I think we need something "punchy" in the visuals to make this project be
> more eye candy for newcomers. That joined to new brand, website that
> showcase it would be great! :)
>
> I think that deserves a new thread if you consider
>
> Let us know!
>
>
> 2017-09-20 9:36 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>
> > Angelo!
> >
> > That is wonderful news!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:34 Angelo Lazzari 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really great!!! and really promising!!!
> > >
> > > @Harbs: can you share some app screenshots? just to see which
> components
> > > you are using... it's a porting from a Flex app you did ?
> > >
> > > PS: We (Trevor and I) are working on the FlexJS UI, we are trying to
> find
> > > time slots in our time (as everyone do in this project) ... so even we
> > are
> > > in silent mode...we are working!!! :)
> > >
> > > Thank you!!!
> > > Angelo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El mié., 20 sept. 2017 a las 9:28, Harbs ()
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > > We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> > > > getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
> > > >
> > > > The feedback has been good so far.
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > > > > Super fast and responsive
> > > > I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app
> > which
> > > > is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots
> > of
> > > > network IO, etc.
> > > >
> > > > This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> > > > optimizations on my todo list.
> > > >
> > > > It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and
> FlexJS
> > > > passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that
> > Alex
> > > > designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team.
> :-)
> > > >
> > > > We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks
> > > yet,
> > > > but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about
> > any
> > > > other framework.
> > > >
> > > > Harbs
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Dave,

Thank you for posting that! It would be extremely hard today to me find the
time pasting here the vote.

Piotr

2017-09-20 17:45 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher :

> Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:
>
> NAME: Piotr Erik Carlos Chris Harbs Yishay Peter Dave Om Olaf Mark Jeffry
> Alex Justin Tom Sum Count
> Royale 1   3 2 3 1   2 3 1   16 8
> Bead (Beads)   2   2   1   3 2 3 2 15 7
> Braid 2 1 2 3 1 2 3 14 7
> Limber (Limbr)   3   3 3 2 1 1   13 6
> Arise 3 1 2   3 9 4
> Boja   2 1 3 2 8 4
> Bend   3   3 1
> Crown 2 2 1
> Strand 1 1 1
> Action   1   1 1
> Total 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 0 6 6 6 6 6 6 82 15
> Not voted 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 8
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz  wrote:
>
> As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
> spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.
>
> If you will see anything more let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Dave Fisher]

Here is my summary from the google doc with additional Excel analysis:

NAME:   Piotr   ErikCarlos  Chris   Harbs   Yishay  Peter   DaveOm  
OlafMarkJeffry  AlexJustin  Tom Sum Count
Royale  1   3   2   3   1   
2   3   1   16  8
Bead (Beads)2   2   
1   3   2   3   2   15  7
Braid   2   1   2   3   
1   2   3   14  7
Limber (Limbr)  3   3   3   
2   1   1   13  6
Arise   3   1   2   
3   9   4
Boja2   1   
3   2   8   4
Bend3   
3   1
Crown   2   
2   1
Strand  
1   1   1
Action  1   
1   1
Total   6   6   5   6   6   6   5   6   0   
6   6   6   6   6   6   82  15
Not voted   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   0   
6   0   0   0   0   0   0   8


> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, piotrz  wrote:
> 
> As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
> spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.
> 
> If you will see anything more let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Piotr
> 
> 
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Justin,

Vote now looks proper to me from the tallies.

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Spreadsheet with VOTES. Royale has a two points less, but still this is our 
>> choose [1].
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOvPBUgkxcdIksEWOgKhzipy5EPR0eDz8JrlB2aDTCo/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> 
> So looks like there's 14 voters their not 13? Was Tom missed in the first 
> count?
> 
> The total votes (14*6 == 84) still doesn’t tally with the total votes in that 
> spreadsheet i.e. 82 with 3 people only placing 2 votes it still seems off by 
> one? Given the top 4 choices are separated by 1 vote in that spreadsheet that 
> may be important and change the result.

Om abstained which means 6 points missed from the total of 90 possible with 15 
ballots.
Adding the two who did not have a third pace gives 8 missing points and 
therefore 82 points is the correct overall total.

Royale it is in a squeaker.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Thanks,
> Justin



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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi,

as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.

@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out there
that would fit for us" ;)

@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the service
apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as many
other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
external servers or tools actually.
For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website and
there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be hopeless
to work in and organization with such limitations.

Thanks


2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic :

> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more than
> the 1st runner up.
> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and job
> ads might sound strange.
> Just imagine:
> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
> :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
>>
>> Royale.apache.org
>>
>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons,
>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
>>
>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board first.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:
>>
>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
 can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
 "apacheroyale.XXX".

 .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted
>>> upon.
>>> Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want anything
>>> like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
>>>
>>> Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
>>>
>>> I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes
>>> over
>>> and then transfer the domain.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> EdB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>>
>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>>
>>> T. 06-51952295
>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Tomislav Pokrajcic]

Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much more than 
the 1st runner up.
Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds and job 
ads might sound strange.

Just imagine:
"Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
:)

Cheers,

Tom

On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:

As an Apache project the domain would be:

Royale.apache.org

I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons, 
requirements, approvals around use of other domains.

I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board first.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:


* Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
"apacheroyale.XXX".


.com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted upon.
Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want anything
like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?

Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?

I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes over
and then transfer the domain.

Thanks,

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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Harbs]

It looks like I miscounted due to Piotr changing his vote:

Votes for Royale:
piotr - 1
carlos - 3
yishay - 2
peter - 3
jeffry - 2
dave - 1
justin 1
alex - 3
Total - 16

Royale still wins.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Even if we’re off by one, Royale is the clear winner. (I get 18 votes as 
>> well.)
> 
> I’m not seeing 18 votes for Royale would you mind listing them out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Dave Fisher]

As an Apache project the domain would be:

Royale.apache.org

I can write a long discussion about policy later but there are reasons, 
requirements, approvals around use of other domains.

I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by the board first.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:

>> 
>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
>> can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
>> "apacheroyale.XXX".
>> 
> 
> .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted upon.
> Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want anything
> like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
> 
> Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
> 
> I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes over
> and then transfer the domain.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[piotrz]

As for you question. I'm not sure who was missed, but as you can see in the
spreadsheet I did mistake, cause Royale has less votes.

If you will see anything more let me know.

Thanks,
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Justin,

I can give you edit rights - can you put there corrections ? Cause I don't
know where I have mistake.

Let me know.

Thanks,
Piotr


2017-09-20 14:22 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean :

> Hi,
>
> > Spreadsheet with VOTES. Royale has a two points less, but still this is
> our choose [1].
> >
> > [1]
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOvPBUgkxcdIksEWOgKhzipy5EPR0
> eDz8JrlB2aDTCo/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> So looks like there's 14 voters their not 13? Was Tom missed in the first
> count?
>
> The total votes (14*6 == 84) still doesn’t tally with the total votes in
> that spreadsheet i.e. 82 with 3 people only placing 2 votes it still seems
> off by one? Given the top 4 choices are separated by 1 vote in that
> spreadsheet that may be important and change the result.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin




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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Spreadsheet with VOTES. Royale has a two points less, but still this is our 
> choose [1]. 
> 
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOvPBUgkxcdIksEWOgKhzipy5EPR0eDz8JrlB2aDTCo/edit?usp=sharing


So looks like there's 14 voters their not 13? Was Tom missed in the first count?

The total votes (14*6 == 84) still doesn’t tally with the total votes in that 
spreadsheet i.e. 82 with 3 people only placing 2 votes it still seems off by 
one? Given the top 4 choices are separated by 1 vote in that spreadsheet that 
may be important and change the result.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[piotrz]

I will put those scores in the plain text here later today. 

Thanks,
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[piotrz]

Spreadsheet with VOTES. Royale has a two points less, but still this is our
choose [1]. 

[1]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOvPBUgkxcdIksEWOgKhzipy5EPR0eDz8JrlB2aDTCo/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Even if we’re off by one, Royale is the clear winner. (I get 18 votes as 
> well.)

I’m not seeing 18 votes for Royale would you mind listing them out.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Harbs]

Carlos and Peter both only voted for two options.

Even if we’re off by one, Royale is the clear winner. (I get 18 votes as well.)

I don’t see a reason to be concerned or give Piotr more work. If you are 
concerned, you can double-check the tally. Make sure you get Erik’s final vote 
which might be in a separate thread in your email.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think you may need to double check the count.
> 
>> Royale  18
>> Limber (Limbr)  13
>> Bead (Beads)11
>> Braid 10
>> Arise  9
>> Boja   8
>> Bend  3
>> Crown2
>> Action1
>> Strand0
>> Boinga   0
> 
> If 13 voted this should add up to 13*(3+2+1) = 78 the above only adds up to 
> 75 so there seems to be a missing vote or two. I think only one person didn’t 
> give 3 votes which would make 77?
> 
> From a quick count I’m seeing different totals to you. Do you mind putting in 
> it in a google spreadsheet so people can double check the results.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I think you may need to double check the count.

> Royale  18
> Limber (Limbr)  13
> Bead (Beads)11
> Braid 10
> Arise  9
> Boja   8
> Bend  3
> Crown2
> Action1
> Strand0
> Boinga   0

If 13 voted this should add up to 13*(3+2+1) = 78 the above only adds up to 75 
so there seems to be a missing vote or two. I think only one person didn’t give 
3 votes which would make 77?

From a quick count I’m seeing different totals to you. Do you mind putting in 
it in a google spreadsheet so people can double check the results.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Harbs]

Definitely not royale.xxx. We’re trying to steer clear of adult sites. :-D

I think an apache.org  site is totally fine.

FWIW, royalesdk.io royalesdk.com , etc. are all 
available.

Harbs

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
>> can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
>> "apacheroyale.XXX".
>> 
> 
> .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted upon.
> Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want anything
> like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?
> 
> Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?
> 
> I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes over
> and then transfer the domain.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Erik de Bruin]

>
> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
> can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
> "apacheroyale.XXX".
>

.com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either in use or squatted upon.
Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we don't want anything
like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like that, right?

Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework' as well?

I can register anything we decide and sponsor until a foundation takes over
and then transfer the domain.

Thanks,

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Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Carlos Rovira]

Angelo,

great, great news!. I think UI design is crucial for us, so that work would
be very appreciated! :)

Could Trevor and you share something of your work?

I think we need something "punchy" in the visuals to make this project be
more eye candy for newcomers. That joined to new brand, website that
showcase it would be great! :)

I think that deserves a new thread if you consider

Let us know!


2017-09-20 9:36 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :

> Angelo!
>
> That is wonderful news!
>
> Thank you,
> Piotr
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:34 Angelo Lazzari 
> wrote:
>
> > That's really great!!! and really promising!!!
> >
> > @Harbs: can you share some app screenshots? just to see which components
> > you are using... it's a porting from a Flex app you did ?
> >
> > PS: We (Trevor and I) are working on the FlexJS UI, we are trying to find
> > time slots in our time (as everyone do in this project) ... so even we
> are
> > in silent mode...we are working!!! :)
> >
> > Thank you!!!
> > Angelo
> >
> >
> >
> > El mié., 20 sept. 2017 a las 9:28, Harbs ()
> > escribió:
> >
> > > We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> > > getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
> > >
> > > The feedback has been good so far.
> > >
> > > I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > > > Super fast and responsive
> > > I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app
> which
> > > is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots
> of
> > > network IO, etc.
> > >
> > > This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> > > optimizations on my todo list.
> > >
> > > It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
> > > passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that
> Alex
> > > designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
> > >
> > > We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks
> > yet,
> > > but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about
> any
> > > other framework.
> > >
> > > Harbs
> >
>



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Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Harbs]

Hi Angelo,

It’s great to hear you are working on that! Looking forward to what you come up 
with. :-)

Here’s a screenshot of the app. If you want to see more, I can follow up with 
you off-list next week. (I will not be online until Sunday.)
https://www.evernote.com/l/AI-Kk-KyF45Am7qKhwjgIF4aEn8ukhdD5wsB/image.png 


In terms of UI, we ended up with a mixture of: FlexJS components, custom drawn 
bits, modified MDL, JQuery components and custom components with CSS and JS 
taken from the web. I think we’ve proven you can use just about anything you 
want in your FlexJS app… ;-)

Yes. It’s a port from Flex. We’ve been working on it for close to a year and a 
half. If not for the fact that I had to write XML support from scratch and 
write a text engine fro scratch, the port would probably have taken a third of 
the time max.

Right now, I’m struggling with weirdness on tablets. Getting text input events 
is particularly hard…[1]

We should have a publicly accessible link in a few weeks.

Thanks,
Harbs

[1]https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=118639 

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Angelo Lazzari  wrote:
> 
> That's really great!!! and really promising!!!
> 
> @Harbs: can you share some app screenshots? just to see which components
> you are using... it's a porting from a Flex app you did ?
> 
> PS: We (Trevor and I) are working on the FlexJS UI, we are trying to find
> time slots in our time (as everyone do in this project) ... so even we are
> in silent mode...we are working!!! :)
> 
> Thank you!!!
> Angelo
> 
> 
> 
> El mié., 20 sept. 2017 a las 9:28, Harbs () escribió:
> 
>> We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
>> getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
>> 
>> The feedback has been good so far.
>> 
>> I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
>>> Super fast and responsive
>> I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
>> is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
>> network IO, etc.
>> 
>> This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
>> optimizations on my todo list.
>> 
>> It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
>> passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
>> designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
>> 
>> We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks yet,
>> but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any
>> other framework.
>> 
>> Harbs

[DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi all,

now that we decided to change our name to Royale. we must to make some
serious work in the next weeks. We talked about:

* Logo: We need to design logo to make Royale attractive at first sight
* Website: A new name, and logo requires a good, clean and beautiful
website that make us be elegible for people searching for a front end
technology
* Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale. I think if we
can find something short like "royale.XXX" would be great over
"apacheroyale.XXX".
(Something I don't know is how will register the domain once selected (and
available), this is something apache will be buying? must be done by us?)
* Social networks: we need to register new accounts for Royale in twitter,
Facebook, and the rest we want.
* ... more? (we'll be looking for the things we need as we progress)

As I stated, I can propose myself to work in website and logo if you all
want me there.
Let me know in order to take this into account in my agenda and make me a
plan.

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Re: [DISCUSS] (was Re: [VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?)

[Alex Harui]

Well, it isn't official until the board approves, hopefully tomorrow.

I updated the board resolution, and modified the board report and added
"Apache Royale will take responsibility for
what is now Apache FlexJS and related repos."

I also updated the PODLINGNAMESEARCH JIRA issue.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-132

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/20/17, 12:29 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
 wrote:

>Thanks Piotr, just see the results and very happy to see that Royale was
>the most voted. Now is time to work the brand to make us shine.
>
>:)
>
>Carlos
>
>2017-09-20 9:00 GMT+02:00 Harbs :
>
>> Thanks Piotr.
>>
>> Looks like we’re now Royale. :-)
>>
>> Harbs
>>
>> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:51 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I will end voting tomorrow 09/19/2017 6:00 - 7:00 UTC Time.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Piotr
>> >
>> > 2017-09-19 23:15 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
>> >
>> >> Justin voted.
>> >>
>> >> Now we have Royale and Limber tied again with 13 points.
>> >> Beads has 11, Braids as 10. Arise has 9.
>> >>
>> >> Royale has been mentioned on 7 out of 12 votes.
>> >> Limber on 6 out of 12.
>> >>
>> >> Limber still has the most first-place votes with 3.  Royale and Beads
>> have
>> >> 2.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> -Alex
>> >>
>> >> On 9/19/17, 1:11 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Piotr changed his vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> It dropped Royale back to 12 points, putting Limber in the lead at
>>13.
>> >>> Arise is now third at 9 points.  Beads, Boja, Braid all have 8.
>> >>>
>> >>> Royale and Limber both have been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Trademarks responded that, without thinking about it too much, they
>> aren't
>> >>> concerned about these small projects on GitHub, so if we end up with
>> >>> Royale, it won't be quickly blocked by Trademarks.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Alex
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/19/17, 11:21 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Dave changed his abstention to a vote.
>> 
>>  That tied Limber with Royale at 13 each.  Beads now has 11.
>> 
>>  Royale and Limber have now been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
>>  Boja and Beads have been mentioned 5 times.
>> 
>>  -Alex
>> 
>>  On 9/19/17, 11:12 AM, "Alex Harui" 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> > Erik changed his vote.  That put Limber in the lead over Royale,
>>13
>> vs
>> > 12.
>> > However, several folks are concerned about limber.com being an
>>adult
>> > site.  Limber has been mentioned on 6 votes.
>> >
>> > Beads and Boja have 9 votes each now.  Boja and Royale have been
>> > mentioned
>> > 5 times, Beads 4 times.
>> >
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> > On 9/19/17, 10:11 AM, "Alex Harui" 
>>wrote:
>> >
>> >> I did change the subject to discuss, but may be not enough for
>> Gmail.
>> >> I
>> >> changed it again.
>> >>
>> >> You can change your vote until the vote closes, but your vote
>>alone
>> can
>> >> move Bend enough to make a difference.  You could actually
>>increase
>> the
>> >> vote gap between Royale and Beads and Boja.
>> >>
>> >> -Alex
>> >>
>> >> On 9/19/17, 10:01 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sorry, that should have gone to the DISCUSS thread :-(
>> >>>
>> >>> EdB
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Erik de Bruin
>>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  I really don't like Royale, because it has no connection with
>>went
>>  before
>>  it, which Beads, Boja, Bend and Limber all do.
>> 
>>  My new favorite is Limber, but I still like Bend very much. If
>>I
>> can
>>  break
>>  a tie, I'll change my vote (I can do that, before the VOTE
>>closes,
>>  right?)
>> 
>>  EdB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Harui
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > What a dilemma!
>> >
>> > I've seen 10 votes and 2 abstentions.  I haven't voted yet.  I
>> > wanted
>> > to
>> > see what the trend was first.
>> >
>> > If you assign 3 points to first place, 2 to second, and 1 to
>> third,
>> > Royale
>> > has the lead at 12 points, but barely:  Bead, Boja and Limber
>> have
>> > 10.
>> > Boja has been mentioned more than any other name (6 times),
>>but 3
>> > of
>> > those
>> > are third place votes.  Royale and Limber have been mentioned
>>5
>> > times,
>> > Beads 4 times.  Beads has the most first place votes (3).
>> Royale,
>> > Limber
>> 

Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Angelo!

That is wonderful news!

Thank you,
Piotr

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:34 Angelo Lazzari  wrote:

> That's really great!!! and really promising!!!
>
> @Harbs: can you share some app screenshots? just to see which components
> you are using... it's a porting from a Flex app you did ?
>
> PS: We (Trevor and I) are working on the FlexJS UI, we are trying to find
> time slots in our time (as everyone do in this project) ... so even we are
> in silent mode...we are working!!! :)
>
> Thank you!!!
> Angelo
>
>
>
> El mié., 20 sept. 2017 a las 9:28, Harbs ()
> escribió:
>
> > We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> > getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
> >
> > The feedback has been good so far.
> >
> > I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > > Super fast and responsive
> > I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
> > is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
> > network IO, etc.
> >
> > This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> > optimizations on my todo list.
> >
> > It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
> > passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
> > designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
> >
> > We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks
> yet,
> > but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any
> > other framework.
> >
> > Harbs
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Peter,

voting was closed and now project is called "Royale" (see vote results
thread)
Thanks for share your thoughts!

Carlos

2017-09-20 9:30 GMT+02:00 Peter Ginneberge :

>
> I kept repeating "Bead" over and over in my head and all of a sudden
> turned it into "Beadle", which I think has a much nicer ring to it.
>
> Then looked it up and apparently it's an existing word (didn't think it
> was, but then again, English isn't my native language).
>
> Beadle: sometimes spelled "bedel", is an official of a church or synagogue
> who may usher, keep order, make reports, and assist in religious functions;
> or a minor official who carries out various civil, educational, or
> ceremonial duties.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beadle
>
> regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On 19/09/2017 23:09, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
>> makes everyone go "Yeah!".
>>
>> I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.
>>
>> I found some references to:
>>
>> Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
>> Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god
>>
>> Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
>> building
>>
>> There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
>> would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
>> Musdamma
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
>>> think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...
>>>
>>> EdB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Re: [DISCUSS] (was Re: [VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?)

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Carlos,

If you will need any help and my time allows let me know. :)

Piotr

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:29 Carlos Rovira 
wrote:

> Thanks Piotr, just see the results and very happy to see that Royale was
> the most voted. Now is time to work the brand to make us shine.
>
> :)
>
> Carlos
>
> 2017-09-20 9:00 GMT+02:00 Harbs :
>
> > Thanks Piotr.
> >
> > Looks like we’re now Royale. :-)
> >
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:51 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I will end voting tomorrow 09/19/2017 6:00 - 7:00 UTC Time.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > 2017-09-19 23:15 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> > >
> > >> Justin voted.
> > >>
> > >> Now we have Royale and Limber tied again with 13 points.
> > >> Beads has 11, Braids as 10. Arise has 9.
> > >>
> > >> Royale has been mentioned on 7 out of 12 votes.
> > >> Limber on 6 out of 12.
> > >>
> > >> Limber still has the most first-place votes with 3.  Royale and Beads
> > have
> > >> 2.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 9/19/17, 1:11 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Piotr changed his vote.
> > >>>
> > >>> It dropped Royale back to 12 points, putting Limber in the lead at
> 13.
> > >>> Arise is now third at 9 points.  Beads, Boja, Braid all have 8.
> > >>>
> > >>> Royale and Limber both have been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Trademarks responded that, without thinking about it too much, they
> > aren't
> > >>> concerned about these small projects on GitHub, so if we end up with
> > >>> Royale, it won't be quickly blocked by Trademarks.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Alex
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/19/17, 11:21 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Dave changed his abstention to a vote.
> > 
> >  That tied Limber with Royale at 13 each.  Beads now has 11.
> > 
> >  Royale and Limber have now been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
> >  Boja and Beads have been mentioned 5 times.
> > 
> >  -Alex
> > 
> >  On 9/19/17, 11:12 AM, "Alex Harui" 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Erik changed his vote.  That put Limber in the lead over Royale, 13
> > vs
> > > 12.
> > > However, several folks are concerned about limber.com being an
> adult
> > > site.  Limber has been mentioned on 6 votes.
> > >
> > > Beads and Boja have 9 votes each now.  Boja and Royale have been
> > > mentioned
> > > 5 times, Beads 4 times.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 9/19/17, 10:11 AM, "Alex Harui" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I did change the subject to discuss, but may be not enough for
> > Gmail.
> > >> I
> > >> changed it again.
> > >>
> > >> You can change your vote until the vote closes, but your vote
> alone
> > can
> > >> move Bend enough to make a difference.  You could actually
> increase
> > the
> > >> vote gap between Royale and Beads and Boja.
> > >>
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 9/19/17, 10:01 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sorry, that should have gone to the DISCUSS thread :-(
> > >>>
> > >>> EdB
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Erik de Bruin <
> e...@ixsoftware.nl
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  I really don't like Royale, because it has no connection with
> went
> >  before
> >  it, which Beads, Boja, Bend and Limber all do.
> > 
> >  My new favorite is Limber, but I still like Bend very much. If I
> > can
> >  break
> >  a tie, I'll change my vote (I can do that, before the VOTE
> closes,
> >  right?)
> > 
> >  EdB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Harui
> >  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > What a dilemma!
> > >
> > > I've seen 10 votes and 2 abstentions.  I haven't voted yet.  I
> > > wanted
> > > to
> > > see what the trend was first.
> > >
> > > If you assign 3 points to first place, 2 to second, and 1 to
> > third,
> > > Royale
> > > has the lead at 12 points, but barely:  Bead, Boja and Limber
> > have
> > > 10.
> > > Boja has been mentioned more than any other name (6 times),
> but 3
> > > of
> > > those
> > > are third place votes.  Royale and Limber have been mentioned 5
> > > times,
> > > Beads 4 times.  Beads has the most first place votes (3).
> > Royale,
> > > Limber
> > > have 2 first place votes each.
> > >
> > > In short, I don't think there is a clear winner.  It will
> depend
> > on
> > > how
> > > you count the votes.  And we can't 

Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Hi Harbs,

I have to admit I had hope that you send feedback from your customers some
day!

Wonderful!

Congrats to you and Yishay!

Thank you!
Piotr

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:28 Harbs  wrote:

> We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
>
> The feedback has been good so far.
>
> I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > Super fast and responsive
> I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
> is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
> network IO, etc.
>
> This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> optimizations on my todo list.
>
> It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
> passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
> designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
>
> We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks yet,
> but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any
> other framework.
>
> Harbs

Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Angelo Lazzari]

That's really great!!! and really promising!!!

@Harbs: can you share some app screenshots? just to see which components
you are using... it's a porting from a Flex app you did ?

PS: We (Trevor and I) are working on the FlexJS UI, we are trying to find
time slots in our time (as everyone do in this project) ... so even we are
in silent mode...we are working!!! :)

Thank you!!!
Angelo



El mié., 20 sept. 2017 a las 9:28, Harbs () escribió:

> We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
>
> The feedback has been good so far.
>
> I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > Super fast and responsive
> I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
> is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
> network IO, etc.
>
> This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> optimizations on my todo list.
>
> It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
> passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
> designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
>
> We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks yet,
> but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any
> other framework.
>
> Harbs

Re: FlexJS Customer feedback

[Erik de Bruin]

What is this FlexJS you are talking about? I sound a lot like this "Royale"
thing I'm hearing a lot about recently... Is it similar?

:-P

EdB



On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Harbs  wrote:

> We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and
> getting feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.
>
> The feedback has been good so far.
>
> I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> > Super fast and responsive
> I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which
> is churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of
> network IO, etc.
>
> This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory
> optimizations on my todo list.
>
> It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS
> passed with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex
> designed, and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)
>
> We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks yet,
> but my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any
> other framework.
>
> Harbs




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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Peter Ginneberge]

I kept repeating "Bead" over and over in my head and all of a sudden turned it 
into "Beadle", which I think has a much nicer ring to it.


Then looked it up and apparently it's an existing word (didn't think it was, 
but then again, English isn't my native language).


Beadle: sometimes spelled "bedel", is an official of a church or synagogue who 
may usher, keep order, make reports, and assist in religious functions; or a 
minor official who carries out various civil, educational, or ceremonial duties.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beadle

regards,
Peter

On 19/09/2017 23:09, Alex Harui wrote:

That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
makes everyone go "Yeah!".

I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.

I found some references to:

Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god

Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
building

There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
Musdamma

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:


Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...

EdB

Re: [DISCUSS] (was Re: [VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?)

[Carlos Rovira]

Thanks Piotr, just see the results and very happy to see that Royale was
the most voted. Now is time to work the brand to make us shine.

:)

Carlos

2017-09-20 9:00 GMT+02:00 Harbs :

> Thanks Piotr.
>
> Looks like we’re now Royale. :-)
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:51 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > I will end voting tomorrow 09/19/2017 6:00 - 7:00 UTC Time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > 2017-09-19 23:15 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> >
> >> Justin voted.
> >>
> >> Now we have Royale and Limber tied again with 13 points.
> >> Beads has 11, Braids as 10. Arise has 9.
> >>
> >> Royale has been mentioned on 7 out of 12 votes.
> >> Limber on 6 out of 12.
> >>
> >> Limber still has the most first-place votes with 3.  Royale and Beads
> have
> >> 2.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/19/17, 1:11 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Piotr changed his vote.
> >>>
> >>> It dropped Royale back to 12 points, putting Limber in the lead at 13.
> >>> Arise is now third at 9 points.  Beads, Boja, Braid all have 8.
> >>>
> >>> Royale and Limber both have been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
> >>>
> >>> Trademarks responded that, without thinking about it too much, they
> aren't
> >>> concerned about these small projects on GitHub, so if we end up with
> >>> Royale, it won't be quickly blocked by Trademarks.
> >>>
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 9/19/17, 11:21 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >>>
>  Dave changed his abstention to a vote.
> 
>  That tied Limber with Royale at 13 each.  Beads now has 11.
> 
>  Royale and Limber have now been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
>  Boja and Beads have been mentioned 5 times.
> 
>  -Alex
> 
>  On 9/19/17, 11:12 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> 
> > Erik changed his vote.  That put Limber in the lead over Royale, 13
> vs
> > 12.
> > However, several folks are concerned about limber.com being an adult
> > site.  Limber has been mentioned on 6 votes.
> >
> > Beads and Boja have 9 votes each now.  Boja and Royale have been
> > mentioned
> > 5 times, Beads 4 times.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/19/17, 10:11 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >
> >> I did change the subject to discuss, but may be not enough for
> Gmail.
> >> I
> >> changed it again.
> >>
> >> You can change your vote until the vote closes, but your vote alone
> can
> >> move Bend enough to make a difference.  You could actually increase
> the
> >> vote gap between Royale and Beads and Boja.
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/19/17, 10:01 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry, that should have gone to the DISCUSS thread :-(
> >>>
> >>> EdB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Erik de Bruin  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I really don't like Royale, because it has no connection with went
>  before
>  it, which Beads, Boja, Bend and Limber all do.
> 
>  My new favorite is Limber, but I still like Bend very much. If I
> can
>  break
>  a tie, I'll change my vote (I can do that, before the VOTE closes,
>  right?)
> 
>  EdB
> 
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Harui
>  
>  wrote:
> 
> > What a dilemma!
> >
> > I've seen 10 votes and 2 abstentions.  I haven't voted yet.  I
> > wanted
> > to
> > see what the trend was first.
> >
> > If you assign 3 points to first place, 2 to second, and 1 to
> third,
> > Royale
> > has the lead at 12 points, but barely:  Bead, Boja and Limber
> have
> > 10.
> > Boja has been mentioned more than any other name (6 times), but 3
> > of
> > those
> > are third place votes.  Royale and Limber have been mentioned 5
> > times,
> > Beads 4 times.  Beads has the most first place votes (3).
> Royale,
> > Limber
> > have 2 first place votes each.
> >
> > In short, I don't think there is a clear winner.  It will depend
> on
> > how
> > you count the votes.  And we can't default back to FlexJS either
> > given
> > the
> > other vote.
> >
> > I know some folks mentioned that Royale is associated with
> > low-quality
> > foods, but does anybody think choosing Royale will be a major
> > hindrance?
> > There is a possible conflict because some other Github project is
> > already
> > using Royale [1] for a JS framework.  Does anybody see that as a
> > show
> 

FlexJS Customer feedback

[Harbs]

We are currently in a “partner preview” of our FlexJS application and getting 
feedback from partners prior to a wider preview.

The feedback has been good so far.

I just wanted to share one bit of feedback we got:
> Super fast and responsive
I think this is even relative to our old Flash app. This is an app which is 
churning a huge amount of data, lots of transformed graphics, lots of network 
IO, etc.

This is before I have even done a lot of the performance and memory 
optimizations on my todo list.

It’s really a stress test for whatever framework it’s using, and FlexJS passed 
with flying colors. It’s a testament to the architecture that Alex designed, 
and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the team. :-)

We don’t have any real performance comparisons to other JS frameworks yet, but 
my educated guess is that we’d probably do better than just about any other 
framework.

Harbs

Re: [DISCUSS] (was Re: [VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?)

[Harbs]

Thanks Piotr.

Looks like we’re now Royale. :-)

Harbs

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:51 AM, Piotr Zarzycki  
> wrote:
> 
> I will end voting tomorrow 09/19/2017 6:00 - 7:00 UTC Time.
> 
> Thanks,
> Piotr
> 
> 2017-09-19 23:15 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> 
>> Justin voted.
>> 
>> Now we have Royale and Limber tied again with 13 points.
>> Beads has 11, Braids as 10. Arise has 9.
>> 
>> Royale has been mentioned on 7 out of 12 votes.
>> Limber on 6 out of 12.
>> 
>> Limber still has the most first-place votes with 3.  Royale and Beads have
>> 2.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> On 9/19/17, 1:11 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Piotr changed his vote.
>>> 
>>> It dropped Royale back to 12 points, putting Limber in the lead at 13.
>>> Arise is now third at 9 points.  Beads, Boja, Braid all have 8.
>>> 
>>> Royale and Limber both have been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
>>> 
>>> Trademarks responded that, without thinking about it too much, they aren't
>>> concerned about these small projects on GitHub, so if we end up with
>>> Royale, it won't be quickly blocked by Trademarks.
>>> 
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/17, 11:21 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>> 
 Dave changed his abstention to a vote.
 
 That tied Limber with Royale at 13 each.  Beads now has 11.
 
 Royale and Limber have now been mentioned on 6 out of 11 votes.
 Boja and Beads have been mentioned 5 times.
 
 -Alex
 
 On 9/19/17, 11:12 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
 
> Erik changed his vote.  That put Limber in the lead over Royale, 13 vs
> 12.
> However, several folks are concerned about limber.com being an adult
> site.  Limber has been mentioned on 6 votes.
> 
> Beads and Boja have 9 votes each now.  Boja and Royale have been
> mentioned
> 5 times, Beads 4 times.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On 9/19/17, 10:11 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> 
>> I did change the subject to discuss, but may be not enough for Gmail.
>> I
>> changed it again.
>> 
>> You can change your vote until the vote closes, but your vote alone can
>> move Bend enough to make a difference.  You could actually increase the
>> vote gap between Royale and Beads and Boja.
>> 
>> -Alex
>> 
>> On 9/19/17, 10:01 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, that should have gone to the DISCUSS thread :-(
>>> 
>>> EdB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Erik de Bruin 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I really don't like Royale, because it has no connection with went
 before
 it, which Beads, Boja, Bend and Limber all do.
 
 My new favorite is Limber, but I still like Bend very much. If I can
 break
 a tie, I'll change my vote (I can do that, before the VOTE closes,
 right?)
 
 EdB
 
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Harui
 
 wrote:
 
> What a dilemma!
> 
> I've seen 10 votes and 2 abstentions.  I haven't voted yet.  I
> wanted
> to
> see what the trend was first.
> 
> If you assign 3 points to first place, 2 to second, and 1 to third,
> Royale
> has the lead at 12 points, but barely:  Bead, Boja and Limber have
> 10.
> Boja has been mentioned more than any other name (6 times), but 3
> of
> those
> are third place votes.  Royale and Limber have been mentioned 5
> times,
> Beads 4 times.  Beads has the most first place votes (3).  Royale,
> Limber
> have 2 first place votes each.
> 
> In short, I don't think there is a clear winner.  It will depend on
> how
> you count the votes.  And we can't default back to FlexJS either
> given
> the
> other vote.
> 
> I know some folks mentioned that Royale is associated with
> low-quality
> foods, but does anybody think choosing Royale will be a major
> hindrance?
> There is a possible conflict because some other Github project is
> already
> using Royale [1] for a JS framework.  Does anybody see that as a
> show
> stopper?  I think I will write to trademarks@ and try to get their
> opinion.
> 
> Carlos, will you help with a new website regardless of which name
> is
> chosen or only if it is Royale (or Crown)?
> 
> Is anybody adamantly against Beads, Boja or Limber?  After reading
> this
> mornings posts, I'm leaning away from limber.  The spell checker
> redirect
> issue is worrisome.

[RESULT][VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Hi All,

Vote pass with following results:

13 PMC has voted. One was abstain from vote.
One non community vote for Royale.

NAME:  SCORES:

Royale  18
Limber (Limbr)  13
Bead (Beads)11
Braid 10
Arise  9
Boja   8
Bend  3
Crown2
Action1
Strand0
Boinga   0

NAME:   SCORES:

Royale   3 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1
+ 3
Limber (Limbr)   3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1
Bead (Beads)1 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 2
Braid  2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1
Arise  1 + 2 + 3 + 3
Boja   2 + 1 + 3 + 2
Bend  3
Crown2
Action1
Strand
Boinga

According to the vote our new project name is Royale! :)

Thank you for all votes!

VOTE Thread: https://goo.gl/BbT1uv
DISCUSS Thread:
1: https://goo.gl/64TUCo
2: https://goo.gl/okJCUn

Piotr