[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-28 Thread gutted

Volition - have a look here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25708

It's a much shorter thread, so info is easier to find.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-27 Thread Volition

In Regards to this issue. Can someone summarise for me. i am still
getting duplicates albums. Using 6.3.1,

Is this in bugzilla?
What bug #? (There are so many and i'm not sure which one is relevant)

Why doesn't the scanner just use the ALBUM tag and ALBUM ARTIST tag ?

To Create the album listing?


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-26 Thread MrSinatra

i don't think there's anything wrong w/someone mentioning it again, the
more it is, the more of a priority it becomes.  its good for SD to see
how many people care about the issue.

since SS seems to do a scan and build its own DB, and since most people
rip individual albums into album folders, can't the scan account for
this?  must it only read tags?

if it saw a folder where multiple artists (more than one) were in it,
could it not in its own DB simply mark the album as various or
compilation or whatever?

i still want SS to know who the artists are for each track, but when i
browse by artwork, which will be by artist / album next release, i want
all the comps grouped together.

also, someone said replay gain is not a standard tag...  this
concerns me b/c i absolutely want my mp3s to use it...  i use EAC and
LAME and i see in the dos window when lame is done it mentions replay
gain but in winamp, i see no mention of this...

how do i verify that the info is in the tag?  thx!  -mdw


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-26 Thread Mark Lanctot

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 how do i verify that the info is in the tag?  thx!  -mdw

LAME adds RG info to MP3s in a way hardly any program can use.  See
here:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=32288st=175p=339667#entry339667


MP3Gain can using APEv2 tags.

foobar uses a different method.  Not sure where it puts them but you
can read and edit the RG tags for both methods using foobar.

Mp3tag can show you that there are APEv2 tags but I haven't found a way
to get it to display the RG info.  I suspect it may be able to read
foobar's RG tagging method using the Extended Tags dialog box, but I
don't use foobar to write RG data so I don't know.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-26 Thread MrSinatra

ok, but the big Q is does SS read them the way LAME inserts them?

if not, is there a bugzilla request for this to be so?

some of what you are saying is above my head...  i'll check out the
thread and come back.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-26 Thread Mark Lanctot

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 ok, but the big Q is does SS read them the way LAME inserts them?
 
 if not, is there a bugzilla request for this to be so?
 
 some of what you are saying is above my head...  i'll check out the
 thread and come back.

When you check the thread you'll notice the LAME experts there note
that LAME RG support is very, very poor, with only two little-known
programs supporting it.

In fact I didn't know LAME applied RG data until I found that thread.

SS reads MP3Gain-applied RG data just fine, as well as foobar-applied
RG data from what I understand.  That's good enough for me.

But everyone could save a step now that it's known that LAME applies RG
data all on its own.

I opened an MP3 file in a hex editor and I can't find the LAME-applied
RG data.  According to that thread, it should be right at the start
with the LAME/INFO tag.  I see what I think must be the LAME/INFO tag
right at the start of the file.  I definitely see the RG data in the
APE tag at the end of the file though.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-25 Thread ModelCitizen

fairyliquidizer Wrote: 
 
 This issue may not trouble you but I like to keep my tags as slim a 
 possible and would rather it was fixed sooner and 6.5 took longer. 
 Especially as changing my tags will trigger my incremental backup to
 add a new increment which will be rather large as I have a large FLAC
 collection.
Yup, I had nearly 100 flac compilation disks disks to update. As I
backup to another set of disks I just did the main music set and the
backup at the same time, thus avoiding a large overnight backup across
my network.
The whole tagging process took less than 5 minutes. Unfortunately
Slimserver then took two hours to scan the changed files, but then that
happened in the small hours. The pain was so mininmal it was
non-existent. Probably took me longer to write this forum message.

I don't fully understand why you would want to keep your tags as Slim
as possible. There doesn't seem to be a downside to increased number of
tags. Replaygain, a non-standard tag, is almost indispensable. I also
find adding reviews and bios into the comment field a great way to read
info about the band/album on my Squeezebox as I am listening to an album
in the lounge.

Anyway, each to their own I guess. I hope Slim fix the issue for you
soon.

MC.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-25 Thread fairyliquidizer

Two reasons:  I have had experience of programs complaining of
non-standard tagging in the past and also because any change will be
detected by my backup software and cause a needlessly bloated
incremental backup.  That said I gave up and did the tagging which took
seconds I've just disabled my backup for now and will re-enable it once
I actually add some more music.

I still think there is something wrong when I have to manually
intervene to restore functionality that was previously there. 
Hopefully it will be fixed soon so I don't have to remember to tag
future compilations manually.

Fairy


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-25 Thread ModelCitizen

fairyliquidizer Wrote: 
 I still think there is something wrong when I have to manually intervene
 to restore functionality that was previously there.  Hopefully it will
 be fixed soon so I don't have to remember to tag future compilations
 manually.
 Fairy
Coudn't agree more, but as Slim are already very aware of the problem
and it's been mentioned ad infinitum, the quick fix for happiness is to
add the tag. It's simple enough to take it back off once the software
has been fixed.
MC


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread gutted

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 what is a compilation tag?  i don't see it when i edit tags in winamp.

@MrSinatra: I use MP3Tag to edit my tags.  The COMPILATION tag is
not a stadard option as far as MP3Tag is concerned - but it lets me
create custom tags.  So I added a new tag (in fact, I think I needed to
edit the name of an existing tag) and called it COMPILATION.  I then
set this to have a value of 1 and re-scanned.  Problem now solved for
me in 6.3.0.

HTH!


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread ChrisOwens

Fairy,

I've been with the company since March, and have been working to build
good test suites for the Squeezebox firmware and Slimserver.  The 6.3.0
release was my first Slimserver release.  There weren't a lot of bugs in
it, but the bugs that caused duplicated album listings were extremely
annoying to end-users.

As part of the QA process, I collect sample data from user-reported
bugs or create my own to test for these problems in the future.

In the case of the CUE sheet album duplication issue (bug 3716), we did
try to fix that bug prior to the 6.3.1 release.  However, it turned out
that fixing it introduced unacceptable additional instability into
Slimserver, so we reverted the changes.  In the end, in this case, it
was not a failure to find the bug, but rather an engineering decision
to release the software anyway.  Quality is not just a matter of
testing, but a process that involves all members of a team.

That said, we are very aware that in order to reach a market outside of
our hackerish roots, we need to improve our Slimserver releases.  With
the invaluable help of you, our users, we will continue to work on it.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread MrSinatra

ChrisOwens Wrote: 
 That said, we are very aware that in order to reach a market outside of
 our hackerish roots, we need to improve our Slimserver releases. 
 With the invaluable help of you, our users, we will continue to work on
 it.

thats awesome, and i'm sure it will be news to some of the old timers
around here!  :)  don't flame me, i'm just pointing it out.  ;)

btw, speaking of extremely annoying things to end users, being able to
browse artwork in album title alphabetical only mode is high on the
list, altho i think this has finally been fixed in the upcoming
release.

also, my albums with multiple artisits say they are by the last artist
listed on the CD.  annoying.  how does one fix that?  i also will be
curious to see how thats fixed in browsing artwork.

and, while i realize this may not matter in upcoming releases, in the
SS explanations when you tell it what file to use for artwork, and it
says hit change it makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER that it is also
necessary to do a clear and rescan!!!

talk about annoying!

don't get down though, we all love the SB...  we just want to love it
more.  -mdw

ps. thx gutted...  but i need a more standard solution.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread Siduhe

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 btw, speaking of extremely annoying things to end users, being able to
 browse artwork in album title alphabetical only mode is high on the
 list, altho i think this has finally been fixed in the upcoming
 release.

Different options are included in 6.5 AFAIK

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 also, my albums with multiple artisits say they are by the last artist
 listed on the CD.  annoying.  how does one fix that?  i also will be
 curious to see how thats fixed in browsing artwork.

Depends if you are talking about 6.3.1 or 6.5.  I would try including
the Compilation tag that gutted suggests and using the option Group
Compilation Albums together - does that fix it for you in 6.3.1 ?

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 ps. thx gutted...  but i need a more standard solution.

You've mentioned before that you want something that works within your
existing processes, but IMHO sometimes you will need to try something
new to get the results you need.  You can do what gutted suggests in
Mp3tag pretty easily, or you can swap to a tagging program like Tag 
Rename which is a bit more standard, and you just select all songs
and tick the Compilation box and Save to add the relevant tag. Tag 
Rename is not freeware but there is a 30 day subscription.

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread gutted

MrSinatra,

With MP3Tag you can filter on various things.  In my library, I've got
each individual disc in a folder name like artist name - title.  So
in my case, I just filtered the file path to include Various Artists. 
That gives me all my comilation albums available for edit - then you can
tag the whole lot in one go.

It's pretty cool - and it's freeware.  There are loads of other tag
tools available, but MP3Tag is working well for me right now.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread ModelCitizen

MrSinatra Wrote: 
 
 ps. thx gutted...  but i need a more standard solution.
Well there isn't one and as 6.5 is coming along nicely and most of the
developers are working on that there is probably little point in
mentioning the issue again (how many threads have there been about it
recently?). Just add the tag and then go and do something
constructive.

Just to make it simple for you MP3Tag can be downloaded here:
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html. It's powerful, easy to use and
free. You add the tag to all your compilations albums by selecting
View/Extended Tags from the top menu whilst selecting all the tracks
you've opened and wish to add the tag to. Then you hit the little
button in the middle top with the star in it and write COMPILATION in
the field box and 1 in the value box. Then hit enter, wait a few secs
and all is done.,
Very simple. In may not be what you consider standard but it's the
only thing that's going to fix your problem.
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread fairyliquidizer

ModelCitizen Wrote: 
 Well there isn't one and as 6.5 is coming along nicely and most of the
 developers are working on that there is probably little point in
 mentioning the issue again

ModelCitizen,

This issue may not trouble you but I like to keep my tags as slim a 
possible and would rather it was fixed sooner and 6.5 took longer. 
Especially as changing my tags will trigger my incremental backup to
add a new increment which will be rather large as I have a large FLAC
collection.

ChrisOwens,

Thanks for the courteous reply.  Sorry if I seemed hostile , I was
tired when I upgraded and didn't welcome the hassle.

Best of luck with the job and remember to enjoy it.  Life's a game and
there's no extra time.

Fairy


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-24 Thread ChrisOwens

No apology necessary.  It's a strange job, in that many customers know
Slimserver (or at least some parts of it) better than I do, still. 
It's an extremely complex application, with a lot of years of added
features.

I take the criticism as constructively as possible.  When you're
selling to end-users, customer satisfaction is the primary measure of
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-23 Thread zooropa320

I saw dups in 6.2.2 and they didn't disappear after upgrading to 6.3.0
so I cleared then rescanned my entire library and the dups are gone -
at least the ones which I noticed before.  Worth a try if you are
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-22 Thread fairyliquidizer

No it's not and I must admit that having to use the nightlys to get bug
free performance when the nightlys are clearly alphas and Slimdevices
warn against using them is somewhat unsatisfactory for a consumer
device.  

I think the people who have expressed frustration in the thread have
been poorly treated.  They have every right to be frustrated as this is
a glaringly obvious regression in the software and should have been
picked up in testing.

I love my squeezebox but am less than impressed with the slimserver
software reliability.  I used to be a professional developer and this
reminds me of some of the less rigorous QA regimes that I have seen.

Do we know what is being done to fix this?

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-19 Thread ajmitchell

Anyone kow if this is corrected by 6.3.1. release?


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-17 Thread Rangdo

Not sure if I've missed someone say this but I've noticed the same
problem today - a small handful of albums I've ripped recently have
duplicate entries.

The only difference between old and new rips is I've started saving the
cue file in the same folder.  The only albums with dupes had a cue file,
not all of the albums with a cue duped and there doesn't appear to be
any obvious pattern to which ones dupe and which don't.

I've deleted the cue files from the respective album folders and the
dupes appear to be gone (at least the 2 offenders that hit me today
aren't duping now) :)


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-17 Thread dangerous_dom

Rangdo Wrote: 
 Not sure if I've missed someone say this but I've noticed the same
 problem today - a small handful of albums I've ripped recently have
 duplicate entries.
 
 The only difference between old and new rips is I've started saving the
 cue file in the same folder.  The only albums with dupes had a cue file,
 not all of the albums with a cue duped and there doesn't appear to be
 any obvious pattern to which ones dupe and which don't.
 
 I've deleted the cue files from the respective album folders and the
 dupes appear to be gone (at least the 2 offenders that hit me today
 aren't duping now) :)

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25313

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3716


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-17 Thread ModelCitizen

Rangdo Wrote: 
 Not sure if I've missed someone say this but I've noticed the same
 problem today - a small handful of albums I've ripped recently have
 duplicate entries.
 The only difference between old and new rips is I've started saving the
 cue file in the same folder.  The only albums with dupes had a cue file,
 not all of the albums with a cue duped and there doesn't appear to be
 any obvious pattern to which ones dupe and which don't.
 I've deleted the cue files from the respective album folders and the
 dupes appear to be gone (at least the 2 offenders that hit me today
 aren't duping now) :)
Yup, SlimServer has problem with .cue files. I keep all my cue files
(EAC, gaps detected, non-compliant) just in case I would like to
perfectly recreate the original CD at some point. However, once ripped
I rename the extension to .cue_ to stop SlimServer getting in a twist.
I guess I could always stop .cue files being recognised by SlimServer
in the configuration file... but I did not know this at the time I
first had the problem (years ago!).
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-17 Thread Rangdo

Fair do's, thanks for the replies ;)

Shame I didn't look on the forum *before* spending an hour this morning
figuring out what was causing the dupes.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-17 Thread MrSinatra

this may have been said already...

but when i browse artwork, if a tag of one song in an album has
something different from the others, even something as small as a
change of case, it shows up THREE times.  one for the first similar
grouping, one for the odd song, once again for the second similar
grouping.

punctuation causes it too.  (thats more sensible i think)

what is a compilation tag?  i don't see it when i edit tags in winamp.

also, again when browsing artwork, (the only way i browse), any various
album or comp album is only listed once, BUT is stated as being by
whoever the last artist on an album is.  clearly, not good.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread MrSinatra

kdf Wrote: 
 On 11-Jul-06, at 10:27 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
 
 
  obviously its not the difference of opinion kdf, its the WAY or
 manner
  those differences of opinion are conveyed.
 
  i don't talk down to anyone when i post, i don't think i get all
 huffy
  or defensive.
 
 yes, but the issue is done.  some let it go.  clearly you don't.
 that is why I left the conversation. Time to move on to something
 else.
 -k

i'm not quite sure what that refers to...  but u seem to be assuming
i'm directing my comments solely at you, and i'm not.

i leave it up to ...whoever... to decide if my comments apply to them
or not.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread kdf


On 11-Jul-06, at 10:56 PM, MrSinatra wrote:


i'm not quite sure what that refers to...  but u seem to be assuming
i'm directing my comments solely at you, and i'm not.

I'm not.  but I do read the threads, and you do seem to be clinging to 
the issue.
I made a request, which I felt would be a good one to avoid me going 
selective and no longer reading your posts.


I mean no offense by it, and it is simply a request that you can choose 
to ignore if you wish.


Some good, helpful people have given up on these forums long before you 
came along.  One side of the story could be labeled defensive, and the 
other side could be called tiring.  Make of that tidbit of info as you 
will.

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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Marc Sherman

MrSinatra wrote:


yes, its open source  but that doesn't mean when i buy it i am
obligated to fix errors in official releases.  the onus is NOT on me.


You _didn't_ buy it. It's _free_ software. What you bought was the 
Squeezebox.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Michaelwagner

Yeah, well.

It's free software but it's the only software around that will drive a
squeezebox, which he did pay for.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Marc Sherman

Michaelwagner wrote:

Yeah, well.

It's free software but it's the only software around that will drive a
squeezebox, which he did pay for.


If he wasn't happy with the software when he bought his squeezebox, he 
should have returned it for a full refund. If he was happy, he should 
downgrade until his VERY IMPORTANT bug gets fixed in the current rev. 
Either way, continued and unrelenting ranting at kdf and the other 
volunteer developers can do nothing but harm to the slimserver user 
community by driving away more skilled volunteers.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Michaelwagner

I don't think it's that bad. KDF has shown in the past he can take care
of himself.

A lot of people don't understand (and don't much care) that the
development effort is shared between volunteers and paid staff. 

They just want to come home, kick back with a glass of wine and listen
to music.

It doesn't sound like it's all that much to ask for.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Marc Sherman

Michaelwagner wrote:


A lot of people don't understand (and don't much care) that the
development effort is shared between volunteers and paid staff. 


They just want to come home, kick back with a glass of wine and listen
to music.

It doesn't sound like it's all that much to ask for.


That's a fine explanation for his first message. His persistent 
harassment is quite annoying.


If the new software is buggy in a way that bothers you, there's 
absolutely no good reason to keep running it and not downgrade back to 
the version that was obviously acceptable to you when you bought your 
squeezebox. I know this for a fact -- I'm still quite happily running 
5.4.1. It plays music.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread shabbs

I had a similar issue. But rolling back to v6.2.2 did not solve the
issue even though v6.2.2 was working fine before I upgraded to v6.3.0.
I was only able to solve the issue after rolling forward to v6.5b1.
Very strange.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread Michaelwagner

Marc Sherman Wrote: 
 I'm still quite happily running 5.4.1. It plays music.
True enough. I did the same for quite a long time. I had only SB1s at
the time, hated the upgrade to 6, backed down to 5 and ran that for at
least 6 months.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread kdf


On 12-Jul-06, at 6:05 AM, Michaelwagner wrote:



They just want to come home, kick back with a glass of wine and listen
to music.

It doesn't sound like it's all that much to ask for.


This is completely possible with all currently built versions.
Why is listening to music lumped together with counting all my albums 
and the number isn't right
yes, it's a problem.  It's not like someone cut off your right arm.  
Even then, you can still use your left to relieve that nagging tension


it clearly isn't just come home and listen.
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-12 Thread MrSinatra

Marc Sherman Wrote: 
 Michaelwagner wrote:
  Yeah, well.
  
  It's free software but it's the only software around that will drive
 a
  squeezebox, which he did pay for.
 
 If he wasn't happy with the software when he bought his squeezebox, he
 
 should have returned it for a full refund. If he was happy, he should 
 downgrade until his VERY IMPORTANT bug gets fixed in the current rev. 
 Either way, continued and unrelenting ranting at kdf and the other 
 volunteer developers can do nothing but harm to the slimserver user 
 community by driving away more skilled volunteers.
 
 - Marc


amusing to say the least.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread finnie

shabbs Wrote: 
 Update: I installed v6.5b1 - 8255 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 and it
 cleared up my duplicate listings on Various Artists issue after it
 scanned the whole library. I was quite surprised that I still had the
 issue even after rolling back to v6.2.2 as my old system is still
 running v6.2.2 and does not have the issue. Very strange.

Is anyone from Slim Devices looking at this.  I have also gone back to
6.2.2 and still no joy.

I run on a QNAP NAS drive, and can't use nightly or beta releases.

It is driving me nuts, I have about 1000 artists listed now because my
compilation albums are now listed under each artist.

Help

Andrew.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread kdf

Quoting finnie [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



Is anyone from Slim Devices looking at this.  I have also gone back to
6.2.2 and still no joy.


http://bugs.slimdevices.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedtarget_milestone=6.3.1bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNED
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread MrSinatra

its nice to see some people here anyway share my pov that features in an
official release should work, and if they don't, the onus is on SD to
fix them asap.

for a while, i thought i entered bizarro world, where reasonable
expectations were wrong, and unreasonable ones, right.

i love SS, SD, SN, and SB.  i would recommend it above anything else
for lots of various reasons, point being however i love it.

but that DOES NOT mean that i can't criticize it, lodge a complaint,
request a change, or point something out.

yes, its open source  but that doesn't mean when i buy it i am
obligated to fix errors in official releases.  the onus is NOT on me.

its still a great product, and SD has to prioritize new features, and
even what problems to fix...  but i don't have to sit in a corner with
a dunce cap on and shut up until they do.

i fully believe i should document my problems, and if i find any fixes,
document those too.  i fully believe SD benefits from this, and thats
why (one reason) they provide such a forum in the first place.

i only wish that everyone who loved their SB and SD's wouldn't get so
defensive and offended that someone actually has a criticism to make,
ESPECIALLY when its done in a constructive manner.

-mdw


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread kdf


On 11-Jul-06, at 10:02 PM, MrSinatra wrote:


i only wish that everyone who loved their SB and SD's wouldn't get so
defensive and offended that someone actually has a criticism to make,
ESPECIALLY when its done in a constructive manner.


yes, how dare anyone have a difference of opinion
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread MrSinatra

obviously its not the difference of opinion kdf, its the WAY or manner
those differences of opinion are conveyed.

i don't talk down to anyone when i post, i don't think i get all huffy
or defensive.  i think i simply make my point or comment in a
constructive and worthwhile way.  yes, i vigorously defend my pov, but
that doesn't mean i don't respect someone elses, it just means i may
disagree with it.  also, i don't think anyone has cause to take offense
at constructively offered criticisms, whatever they may be.

unfortunately, some people here when stating their contrary opinion to
this, that, or whatever, don't do so respecting the opposite viewpoint,
and it shows.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-11 Thread kdf


On 11-Jul-06, at 10:27 PM, MrSinatra wrote:



obviously its not the difference of opinion kdf, its the WAY or manner
those differences of opinion are conveyed.

i don't talk down to anyone when i post, i don't think i get all huffy
or defensive.


yes, but the issue is done.  some let it go.  clearly you don't.
that is why I left the conversation. Time to move on to something else.
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread Patrick Dixon

shabbs Wrote: 
 Well - I just rebuilt my new home system and loaded v6.3.0 on it after
 running v6.2.2 on my old system and had the same issue as everyone else
 here. Main screen was showing that I had 14,000+ songs in my library
 when I knew full well I only had 9,000+. Re-installed, re-scanned,
 etc... many times over in the past few days and then came here. My tags
 are clean and have been from the start. Now I'm rolling back to v6.2.2
 to fix the issue.
 
 Looks like v6.3.0 was not ready for prime time just yet...
 
 Hopefully v6.3.1 will have a fix.
 
 Cheers.It would help if you file and/or contribute to a bug report as this 
 will
ensure that the problem gets addressed and fixed.

I'm sure you can assume that had the developers known about it prior to
release they would have already fixed it, so it obviously doesn't show
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread dangerous_dom

Another thing with 6.3.0...

If you have a CUE and Image file, The almum is shown twice. Once for
the CUE and tracks within that CUE, and again for the Image file.

Is this the same bug?


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread Michael Herger

I'm sure you can assume that had the developers known about it prior to
release they would have already fixed it, so it obviously doesn't show
up with their test dataset.


The multi-disc issue has been fixed by Dan. I can't speak for the VA  
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread shabbs

Patrick Dixon Wrote: 
 It would help if you file and/or contribute to a bug report as this will
 ensure that the problem gets addressed and fixed.
 
 I'm sure you can assume that had the developers known about it prior to
 release they would have already fixed it, so it obviously doesn't show
 up with their test dataset.
I would love to help out. This is actually the first issue I've ever
had with either the Slim Server software or my Squeezebox. It turns out
I have the same issue after rolling back to v6.2.2. Very strange - I
need to take a closer look.

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread shabbs

Update: I installed v6.5b1 - 8255 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 and it
cleared up my duplicate listings on Various Artists issue after it
scanned the whole library. I was quite surprised that I still had the
issue even after rolling back to v6.2.2 as my old system is still
running v6.2.2 and does not have the issue. Very strange.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-03 Thread ntom

As one who looks in from time to time it's interesting to see the
responses to the 6.3 release

I upgraded some time back, encountered the compilation issue, read a
few threads on it  concluded I needed to tag compilations as such
-took no time with mp3 tag  about 700 albums all told.

My point is that as far as I was concerned it was no big deal  I've
got used to having to tinker with settings etc.  I've got used to
getting p'ed off with my belkin router occasionally failing to
recognise the wireless connection

This is a product that requires some level of technical understanding 
a little patience and technical nurturing, but rewards with outstanding
sound quality and outstanding vfm.

The nature of open source is great with sometimes unpredictable
functionality + rapid response to issues.  Downsides ...poor
documentation  not much packaging of new releases.

Sure that more time explaining what's in a new release  the possible
impact on existing library would mean people making a more informed
decision as to whether to upgrade or not.

Of course if you are like me, you'd upgrade anyway, curse for a few
day's while you get it all working how you want it again, then settle
back to enjoy until the next time.!!


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-02 Thread mherger

Bradley Wrote: 
 These are obviously Albums containing tracks with different artists,
 otherwise known as compilation albums.

At the risk of getting back to the subject: do you also see problems
with multi disc sets of the same artist? I'm using the Group albums
option, have set the TPOS (Part of a set) tags and still see discs of a
single separated. The second album displays the track numbers as 2-1,
2-2 (album - track number) while the first won't display the album
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-02 Thread Patrick Dixon

mherger Wrote: 
 At the risk of getting back to the subject: do you also see problems
 with multi disc sets of the same artist? I'm using the Group albums
 option, have set the TPOS (Part of a set) tags and still see discs of a
 single separated. The second album displays the track numbers as 2-1,
 2-2 (album - track number) while the first won't display the album
 number.
Please see my bug 3662 - this was working correctly and is broken in
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-02 Thread MrC

This thead prompted me to examine my setups 6.3 treatment of multi-disc,
and noticed the same issue that Pat is experiencing.  I had submitted a
patch (which went into 6.3) to allow J.River's Media Center's tag
('Disk #') to be mapped to DISC, and prior to the final release,
multi-disc was working.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-02 Thread mikerob

bmountney Wrote: 
 I began having this same problem after upgrading to 6.3.0, and in my
 case it appears to be related to the data coming in from MusicIP
 Server, rather than from SlimServer's own scan.
 
 If I do a full rescan with Don't use MusicMagic the duplicate albums
 are gone.  If, on the other hand, I point SlimServer's music library at
 an empty folder, and enable MusicMagic, I get all of the duplicates,
 which completely eliminates SlimServer's own scan from the experiment.
 
 So, SlimServer appears to be misinterpreting MusicMagic's data.
 
 - Bill

I came across exactly the same scenario.  Going back to 6.2.2 fixed the
problem and no duplicates were displayed.

I don't think Slimserver is misinterpreting MusicMagic's data -
MusicMagic just provides a list of file paths.  SlimServer still needs
to go to the files and extract the tags so the problem seems to be with
the interpretation of the tags.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-02 Thread shabbs

Well - I just rebuilt my new home system and loaded v6.3.0 on it after
running v6.2.2 on my old system and had the same issue as everyone else
here. Main screen was showing that I had 14,000+ songs in my library
when I knew full well I only had 9,000+. Re-installed, re-scanned,
etc... many times over in the past few days and then came here. My tags
are clean and have been from the start. Now I'm rolling back to v6.2.2
to fix the issue.

Looks like v6.3.0 was not ready for prime time just yet...

Hopefully v6.3.1 will have a fix.

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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf


realtyler Wrote:

Responses of get the nightly build to questions posed makes me
frustrated...




would you prefer wait for the next release in 6 months?
pointless complaint in my book.  releases have problems, fine.
don't bitch about the availability of NIGHTLY freaking updates and 
fixes.

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread oreillymj

KDF,

While some posts in this thread do seem to have a bitchiness about
them, I do think some of Slim's CUSTOMERS do have a point.

Some users bought this sytem to just rip their CD's and start listening
to music. They did not expect to become a sysadmin.

I recently had some synch problems with my 2 wireless SB's. Just out of
curiosity, I thought I look at the Sonos forums to see if their
customers had the same problem. A poster there was asking for a
purchase recommendation of Slim Vs. Sonos. One of the replies from a
former Slim owner made the very point that Sonos is a plug and play
system for non-computer literate music lovers, whereas Slim requires a
degree of constant tinkering/upgrading. That's fine by me, but many
people find iPod/iTune confusing. They are clueless about
computers/software and want something that just works. Apple have
focused their business around building computer products for people who
don't care orwant to know about how computer work. They want something
thy can switch on and be productive.

Now, as for the Various artists issue, iTunes will tag all of your
Various artists tracks in 1 minute. You just need to be able to
identify them in your library.

I suggest that Slim add some guidance for users to the release notes
prior to download giving some guidance on any new behaviour existing
users may see after upgrading. Then users can make an informed choice
on whether to upgrade or live with existing bugs.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf


On 1-Jul-06, at 12:29 AM, oreillymj wrote:



KDF,

While some posts in this thread do seem to have a bitchiness about
them, I do think some of Slim's CUSTOMERS do have a point.


sure, but do I HAVE to agree...no.


Some users bought this sytem to just rip their CD's and start listening
to music. They did not expect to become a sysadmin.


no, but then they also want the latest skinno?

I also suggest some focus...but that would require some restraint from 
users. how dare I suggest that.

customer driven, has its price.
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread JJZolx

kdf Wrote: 
 
  realtyler Wrote:
  Responses of get the nightly build to questions posed makes me
  frustrated...
 
 
 would you prefer wait for the next release in 6 months?
 pointless complaint in my book.  releases have problems, fine.
 don't bitch about the availability of NIGHTLY freaking updates and 
 fixes.
I think the point was simply that the quality level of SlimServer
releases has been sorely lacking.  Since I do run the nightlies, and
think that they tend to be much more reliable than the releases, this
hasn't been an issue for me.  But try to realize the fact that most
people don't want to screw around with beta software and installing
fixes to basic functionality every other day.  Start releasing software
that has been tested more thoroughly.  SlimServer doesn't have a stellar
record of quality and 6.3.0 certainly doesn't appear to have changed
that record.  Slim Devices has quickly gotten into the rut of marketing
pushing out software well before it's ready to be released, and someone
needs to put an end to this stupid habit.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf


On 1-Jul-06, at 1:01 AM, JJZolx wrote:



  But try to realize the fact that most


yeah...I'm the one who has to realise.
keep singing the same song, mate.  stupid...really
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread Ledwidge

In Australia the issue of releases is significant. If a customer
purchased a squeezebox and the software clearly doesn't run properly
i.e. duplicates entries etc, the distributor in Australia would be
liable under consumer law. The customer could demand a full refund etc
etc.

This is not good for Slim Devices. Offering a formal release with a
major bug in a competitive market is just plain stupid.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Dixon

Ledwidge Wrote: 
 In Australia the issue of releases is significant. If a customer
 purchased a squeezebox and the software clearly doesn't run properly
 i.e. duplicates entries etc, the distributor in Australia would be
 liable under consumer law. The customer could demand a full refund etc
 etc.
 
 This is not good for Slim Devices. Offering a formal release with a
 major bug in a competitive market is just plain stupid.
I think there's probably a legal issue as to whether the 'bug' is in
the customer's tags or in slimserver, but in any event SD will give you
30 days to return their product if it doesn't work for you.

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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread Michael Herger

people don't want to screw around with beta software and installing


...that's why everybody's running after that latest Windows XYZ beta  
release which makes MS talk about breaking the internet due to demand...  
People just LOVE beta software if it's announced loud enough :-)


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread Michaelwagner

Patrick Dixon Wrote: 
 in any event SD will give you 30 days to return their product if it
 doesn't work for you.
As I understand it, this is only for sales direct from SD.

Sales through the retail chain don't work the same way. It's up to the
retailer to offer this guarantee (or not) and Slim doesn't back them
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread oreillymj

Personally, I would disagree with the notion that marketing dictate when
Slim release software.

As someone unable to use the Pandora feature in 6.3, the release
contain nothing new except bug-fixes for me.

I would also agree that if customers constantly request new features,
they must accept some of the pain of new bugs.
And I would also agree with the fact the different usage models of
users means that there is no right way for Slim to build a library.
Just the way that meets most people's needs.

That doesn't alter the fact that a large percentage of computer
users/slim customers neither understand or care a great deal about
computers. All they want is a music appliance that works reliably.
New releases should not change the user experience.

Apple  Sonos's way of dealing with this is to provide a complete
closed end to end solution, ripping, library and playback. If you don't
like any part of the system, then tough luck, go somewhere else.

Perhaps Slim would consider a maintenance release. No new features,
plugins or skins would be accepted, just bug-fixes.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread realtyler

kdf Wrote: 
 don't bitch about the availability of NIGHTLY freaking updates and
 fixes.
 -k

Whoa...hold on cowboy. If you read my post, you'll see that I did not
complain about their availability at all...I think it's fantastic that
they're available and that fixes come quickly and that there's a
responsive and transparent development group behind SlimServer.

My point was, and is, that Slimdevices is selling an appliance and it's
not working like one. Like a CD player. Or an amplifier. Or an iPod.
Official releases of the server software just have to work better. To
have such serious regressions in functionality with a major release just
isn't OK, and it will lose customers  keep new ones from joining. And
it's a shame, because the product is excellent (I mean
seriously...Pandora integration? Rhapsody integration? How ridiculously
greatis that?).

Your clear disdain  righteous indignation of my wanting this to just
work is all well and good, but come on now...there's a very very small
customer base out there who wants to play and futz and tweak and install
nightly builds of these things. I want the Squeeze to succeed...I've
been using mine for years. Better Server quality of official releases
is mandatory for the Squeeze to be a bigger player.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread Michaelwagner

Didn't Slim just hire a new QA guy?


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf


On 1-Jul-06, at 9:22 AM, Michaelwagner wrote:



Didn't Slim just hire a new QA guy?

oh please, dont start attacking individuals... I know you aren't here, 
but just dont even start.
The class level of these forums don't need to sink any further. qsnap 
thread was bad enough.

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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf


On 1-Jul-06, at 9:16 AM, realtyler wrote:



My point was, and is, that Slimdevices is selling an appliance and it's
not working like one. Like a CD player. Or an amplifier. Or an iPod.


yup, the iPod is perfect.  never a word of troubles there.

however, your point is moot because a great number of users never have 
a problem, thus never post here and give us no way of knowing any real 
facts.
the rants are from people who are upset because their obsession of the 
day isn't working right. I have no doubt in my mind that a fair portion 
of that same crowd would also be complaining about the lack of a 
release if they didn't come out at a good clip.  I've been around long 
enough to remember the ranting that resulted in the whole nightly build 
process in the first place. That is what they are there for: users who 
want the fix now can get the latest nightly.  No one holds a gun to 
their head to do so.  They are perfectly free to stick with the 
released versions.  In fact, there hasn't been a 6.3 nightly since the 
release, and there are already users who are asking why not. If there 
isn't a patent yet on a retroactive software release fix, perhaps 
that's a good one for someone to file.  Someday it might actually be 
possible and you can sue them for their entire profits.


and no, I'm not expecting you to understand, care, or stop trying to 
make your (I use 'you' because you are there, but it applies globally 
as this is a public discussion) point over and over.  just don't expect 
me to convert .

if you don't like my opinion, that's ok. you don't have to.
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread oreillymj

KDF,

I'm not saying that the iPOD is perfect. Far for it, I don't own one.
Bought a flash iRiver that takes AA batteries.

The point I'm making is. Most users a clueless sheep ;-)
They want something simple that just works

This is final post in this thread as it risk becoming bad tempered and
has already veered a long way away from the original subject.

I marked all my various artist albums compilations in iTunes, did a
full rescan and I'm now enjoying a beer, watching  the World Cup. 
Life's too short.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-07-01 Thread kdf
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kdf Wrote:

oh please, dont start attacking individuals...

KDF: you misunderstood my intention.
So let me reword it.
Rather than focusing on the person,

didn't Slim recently create and fill a position for Quality Assurance?


yes, they did.
however, the rewording fails to sound any less of a leading question to me.
but hey, never matters what I think :)
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-30 Thread realtyler

Bradley Wrote: 
 A word to SlimDevices:  It's great that you've enjoyed success to date
 with your products, but start facilitating BS like this 6.3.0 release
 and watch your customer base rapidly shrink towards zero.
 
 *Bradley

This has been my experience with this product (and I'm experiencing the
duplicate entries as well), and others whom I have tried to turn on to
it. The product is marvelous, the hardware beautiful, the solution it
provides better than any other product (especially @ the price point)
that I can find.

I struggle with the fact, 'though, that it needs to be an *appliance*
that just works, and not something that I spend lots of time mucking
around with server settings, rescanning my library, wondering why my
playlists disappeared, scratching my head over duplicate album entries,
puzzling over why when my Slimserver shuts down, my Squeeze won't
automatically reconnect when I start up my computer again. Responses of
get the nightly build to questions posed makes me frustrated...I can't
imagine someone less technically inclined/interested dealing with it. At
the end of the day, the overhead to running this is so high...it's a
high price to pay for what is admittedly a hugely cool product.

A product like this, for it to really move into serious sales numbers,
just has to be more plug and play.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-30 Thread dae3dae3

realtyler Wrote: 
 Responses of get the nightly build to questions posed makes me
 frustrated...

At least you don't see much of the RTFM answers that you typically see
on Linux/Open Source forums.  Unfortunately, getting information out of
the open source crowd is usually like pulling teeth.  The same thing is
true on a Do It Yourself speaker building forum that I post on.  They
have their know-how and don't like to share it. 

I agree that the product needs to just work in order to go big time. 
My Slim Server is working well right now so I doubt I will upgrade any
time soon unless I read that they have all the bugs out or there is a
new feature that I just can't pass up.  I have learned that when there
are upgrades on software packages I always read what the fixes are
before I run the patch.  If I'm not having the problems that are
supposed to be fixed and I don't think I'll use the new feature I won't
run the newer version.

You just have to resist the urge to over-tweak.  Newer isn't always
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread Bradley

Siduhe Wrote: 
 
 This is a known issue, but it isn't yet clear whether it is a bug or
 something to do with a slightly revised way that Slimserver reads tags.


I'm sorry, but this IS A BUG.  It did not exist in previous versions. 
It's ruining my experience with this product -- It will no doubt ruin
the experience of other users (especially new users).

I have a huge music library of solely FLAC files and many, many
compilation albums.  My system runs on Gentoo Linux

It is LUDICROUS to ask me to go into some editor and resave tags.  The
tags are fine.  THE CODE IS BROKEN, not the Tags.  All I did was take a
fully functioning 6.2.2 release and install 6.3.0.  Developers MUST fix
it, NOT put the burden on users.

If you folks changed the way the system handles tags, then either write
a compatibility layer that bridges any changes in logic, or write a
converter that fixes tags to what Slimserver needs to see.

As a former VP of Development and CTO at many firms, I would never
tolerate a situation like this -- nor a release of software that breaks
basic functionality.  Where is the regression testing?

A word to SlimDevices:  It's great that you've enjoyed success to date
with your products, but start facilitating BS like this 6.3.0 release
and watch your customer base rapidly shrink towards zero.

*Bradley


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread MadScientist

Totally agree, if a newer software release screws up what a previous
version was performing well, it has a bug.

Think I'll hold 'upgrading' to 6.3 until the consensus of opinion is
that it's a sensible thing to do.

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread Siduhe

Bradley Wrote: 
 It is LUDICROUS to ask me to go into some editor and resave tags.  The
 tags are fine.  THE CODE IS BROKEN, not the Tags.  All I did was take a
 fully functioning 6.2.2 release and install 6.3.0.  Developers MUST fix
 it, NOT put the burden on users.
 
 If you folks changed the way the system handles tags, then either write
 a compatibility layer that bridges any changes in logic, or write a
 converter that fixes tags to what Slimserver needs to see.
 

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm nothing to do with Slim.  Thanks for
making me so pleased that I took time out to try and assist you by
directing you to the ongoing discussion about this issue (which you
seemingly didn't even bother to look three threads down for), as well
offering a work-around suggestion as to how you might want to fix it,
pending something more focused from SD.

For myself, my current theory is that its something to do with the way
that Slimserver reads the ALBUMARTIST tags in 6.3.0.  As you say, it
may be a bug or it may be a logic / conflict issue, but I haven't yet
been able to reproduce it at will.  

Or perhaps you might want to file a bug yourself if you're not happy to
follow my suggestion ? It's usually the best way to get the developers
attention, rather than sounding off on these fora.

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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread ModelCitizen

I have to agree that this must be a bug and (even if it isn't) the
release of 6.3 should have been put back until it was sorted (one way
or another).

However, if it helps you at all Bradley I found is very easy to get
round by opening all my compilation albums at once in FooBar2000 (as I
am on Windows) and adding the tag COMPILATION  value  1.  Luckily for
me all my Compilation album folders begin with VA to they were instant
to identify.

The extra features included with 6.3 made this well worth doing.

MC


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread ModelCitizen

Siduhe Wrote: 
 For myself, my current theory is that its something to do with the way
 that Slimserver reads the ALBUMARTIST tags in 6.3.0.
None of my files include an ALBUMARTIST tag, so can your current theory
still stand?

Oooh, and opening the files and resaving the tags did not cure the
problem either.

MC


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread Siduhe

ModelCitizen Wrote: 
 None of my files include an ALBUMARTIST tag, so can your current theory
 still stand?
 
 Oooh, and opening the files and resaving the tags did not cure the
 problem either.
 
 MC

Ah well, as I say, just a theory.  Time for me to bow out, I think.   

Was the Oooh really necessary particularly when I did suggest the
compilation tag as a possible solution too ?  Perhaps I'm just being
over-sensitive, and whilst I understand the frustration that things
like this cause - not least because I had to go through the same
process as you to fix my db, I'm really not up for that being directed
at me when I'm just trying to contribute to the discussion.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread ModelCitizen

Hey Sidue,
I'm sorry, I did not mean my comments to be taken that way. They were
supplied in a spirit of helpfullness, not antagonism. I have been (and
still am) very, very appreciate of your help.

The Oooh, was added a I just remembered to put the comment in at the
last moment.

Sorry to offend you. I don't want to be responsable for you feeling you
cannot provide people with help any more.

:-(

MC


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread dae3dae3

A little over the top on the rage but I agree that this is a bug and not
a feature.  

End users should not have to go through and retag all their cd's.  I
know that I have many cd's  that could be affected by this bug.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread ceejay

All

have a look at http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2976 which I
think may be relevant. It discusses a bug fix for another problem. In
the discussion a side effect like the one being discussed here is
anticipated. 

I think this shows that the Slim folks did at least consider what they
did, and came to a conclusion.  Now, it may be that they've missed the
relative importance of the problem being fixed vs the one being
introduced, but I think the discussion would go smoother with a little
more light and a little less heat...


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread Philip Meyer
In the past I believe the scanning part of the software attempted to be clever 
and interpret what albums should be regarded as compilations.

A recent change to fix other issues with scanning compilations has perhaps 
changed the guessing functionality.  I'm a bit hazy on the specifics.  Proper 
tagging of your music library would certainly help.  This would have benefits 
such as perhaps working better in other software packages, and perhaps make 
scanning faster.

Its a bit like the rules for guessing missing tags in music files - they don't 
work too well.  It's much better to have proper tags so the scanner knows how 
to treat albums.

I'm sure the developers are doing their best.  I'm sure the releases are tested 
fairly well.  They have to make the software cater for many different 
situations.  Problems like this will happen, but I'm sure problems will be 
rectified.

So, I suggest you consider some of the other advice already given for quickly 
setting the COMPILATION tag correctly for your various artists albums, and 
perhaps be a tad less aggressive to the developers who are doing their best.

Alternatively, raise a bug report and see if you can provide some useful 
information to help the developers fix the issue for your situation.

Phil
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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread dangerous_dom

I too upgraded to 6.3 today and have the same problem. It's a real pain.


Also, the CD's i have ripped to an image/CUE also show up twice in
album art.


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-29 Thread bmountney

I began having this same problem after upgrading to 6.3.0, and in my
case it appears to be related to the data coming in from MusicIP
Server, rather than from SlimServer's own scan.

If I do a full rescan with Don't use MusicMagic the duplicate albums
are gone.  If, on the other hand, I point SlimServer's music library at
an empty folder, and enable MusicMagic, I get all of the duplicates,
which completely eliminates SlimServer's own scan from the experiment.

So, SlimServer appears to be misinterpreting MusicMagic's data.

- Bill


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[slim] Re: 6.3.0: Many Duplicate Albums Listed (as well as duped New Music, Album Art, etc)

2006-06-28 Thread Siduhe

You might want to look a few threads down.

This is a known issue, but it isn't yet clear whether it is a bug or
something to do with a slightly revised way that Slimserver reads
tags.

Luckily, it's easy to fix (or at least, has been for most people - one
I think is still experiencing problems).  Open the affected album in a
tagger and resave the album tag and the compilation tag (if you use
it).  Do a full clear and rescan, including deleting the existing
cache.

HTH


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