Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Steven Moore;323838 Wrote: is it possible to use an external hard drive or a computers hard drive to store and play music on the Apple Tv? There are two ways an AppleTV plays music: 1. From its internal hard drive. 2. Streaming from a computer on the LAN via wifi or ethernet Although it has a USB port, I don't believe that can be used at present for an external drive. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
mortslim;324695 Wrote: There are two ways an AppleTV plays music: 1. From its internal hard drive. 2. Streaming from a computer on the LAN via wifi or ethernet Although it has a USB port, I don't believe that can be used at present for an external drive.Now don't take this wrong, but if that is a real picture of you, being an apple groupie really doesn't fit your image. :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I own a sb 1 but sooner or later it will fail and I was think of going the Apple route. I see that the Apple Tv has a 160b hard drive. As my music is around 300gb in size, all Apple lossless, is it possible to use an external hard drive or a computers hard drive to store and play music on the Apple Tv? -- Steven Moore Steven Moore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I agree that the new iPhone/iPod Touch remote app adds value to the AppleTV experience. I am sure the mentioned wishlist of additional features are just a question of future updates to the app. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
mortslim;320136 Wrote: It is easy to control the AppleTV with the included remote. Now that my iPod Touch (or iPhone) includes the new remote application, it is even better. Don't need the TV on or even connected to choose what music to listen to. Mortslim, did you notice that whenever you navigate to a text entry area of appleTV the remote app puts up the keyboard? F$%%$%^ awesome. Any place that requires text entry, searching YouTube, Movies, music, entering yoru FLICKR password, etc keyboard just pops up and keypresses are perfectly synchronized w/ TV. No delays, in fact, iphone remote seems to less delay than my Logitech IR remote. -- jharo jharo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Ok, I am long time SB owner/lover and the new remote and my existing AppleTV will NOT be replacing my SB... yet. I have a friend who i have been trying to get to retire his Audiotron (my last true love) and upgrade to SB. But now, he is very intersted in iphone airport express solution. The iphone remote is truly fantastic, its extremely fast, simple, you would think you were just using your ipod. BUT - (showstopper) the only real issue i think is that, unlike using your ipod, you have no way to make a playlist on-the-go. I can browse my existing playlists, all of my music, play an individual song, etc, but I can't sit there and queue up songs (or then edit my queue) etc. (BUT ++) Negative on the SB: my music server crashes all the time. Slimserver.exe is at the center of the crash logs, but i DO not blame slim. I'm sure i have some bad RAM or something in that P.O.S. server and i dont want to spend the time or money to 'fix' it. Sadly my server goes down every 5 days or sofor the past year and then music is down. Hard reboot brings it back... but wife blames the SB and then starts to blame me. BUT... i love Last.fm, i dont want to lose that feature. Its not impossible for AppleTV to partner as someone said (they do it with Flickr and Youtube), but I would not hold my breath. I THINK - where I sit now is that I'm going to go upstairs and reboot my server again, install the latest IPENG skin - AND - put the RCA output of my apple TV into my whole house audio system, so i can get optical to the reciever (as it does now) and RCA to the multi-zone whole house. This way, if i dont care about a queue and i just want to play something fast and easy... iphone will rock it. -- jharo jharo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Can I just ask, with the iTunes remote app UI, what does the abc...xyz running down the right hand side of the screen do? I assume pressing f will quickly take you to f in the list? If so, i have not see that utilised before and its a very neat and smart, yet so simple, way to handle long lists. I would not swap my Squeezebox setup for a second because i can do so much more with it, but Apple really are the kings of UI design, you cant deny them that, regardless of weather they were the first to do it or not. Its little things like that which can really make the difference. Of course, it requires a touch screen mind. -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.1b (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
autopilot;320034 Wrote: Can I just ask, with the iTunes remote app UI, what does the abc...xyz running down the right hand side of the screen do? I assume pressing f will quickly take you to f in the list? If so, i have not see that utilised before (although i guess its used on the iPhone/touch quite a bit) and its a very neat and smart, yet so simple, way to handle long lists. I would not swap my Squeezebox setup for a second because i can do so much more with it, but Apple really are the kings of UI design, you cant deny them that, regardless of weather they were the first to do it or not. Its little things like that which can really make the difference, long list still are not much fun with the SBc. Of course, it requires a touch screen. Yep. It's actually the very best way to browse longs lists one can imagine. But then most of the SC web skins have this, too (Default, Nokia, iPeng,...) The usability in browsing lists on the iPhone is hard to beat. However, if it comes to things like switching tracks/changing volume/things like that the touch screen comes at a cost: you always need to disable the screen saver first and look at the screen. No blind switching as with the old iPods or the SBC. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
tharrison;319243 Wrote: (And PS. Someone should write an iPhone application for SB that works just like the iTunes remote. That would be cool). http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7889 VOTE NOW -- jrichardson James R. QA - breaking things so you don't have to jrichardson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7889 VOTE NOW Not exactly what's been talked about here. That request is for an iPod/iPhone compatible SqueezeNetwork skin. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pippin;320038 Wrote: But then most of the SC web skins have this, too (Default, Nokia, iPeng,...) The usability in browsing lists on the iPhone is hard to beat. Yeah very similar, but not exactly the same thing. Is there any way this could be implemented on a non-touch screen like the Duet controller? -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.1b (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
And the beat goes on: LastFM has now been added as a service on the iPhone/iPod Touch. Logitech, the parent of Slim Devices, sells several models of ipod docking speaker systems. They sound great for your ipod. I use their Pure-Fi system in addition to my Squeezebox. So Logitech has hedged its bets here. It wins either way. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
aflo;319904 Wrote: What there needs to be is a way to convert your squeezebox into an airport express or somehow get that functionality. Then people who purchased SBs can try both without buying an airport express. Is this possible? You may be better with an Apple TV. Better sonics than an airport express when using a DAC but it is prone to getting hot and some reviewers and users have complained about the fact that it never truly shuts down unless you pull the cord from the back. Now that the duet can be used as a handset, I would wonder (though do not know) whether you might be able to control the Apple TV without needing the screen on which was always a serious problem for me. The fact that Apple can do something that is as good as this, means that there is the possibility of Logitech doing something that is close to being as good but with Squeezebox flexibility in the next Duet iteration. -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
The AppleTV has a digital audio out. It does shut down, at least I get the impression that the hard drive has gone to sleep because its initial startup after not being used for awhile is always a couple of seconds, whereas while in use the feedback from the remote is instantaneous. I understand that the hard drive has to spin up just like in a computer hard drive that has gone to sleep while in power saving mode. Be careful about reviews. The AppleTV has gone through several firmware updates since initial release and you need to make sure you are looking at a recent review. Older reviews won't help you because they were based upon out of date firmwares. I have the AppleTV and my review is that it works great. No complaints at all. It does what it says it does, and no configuration issues. It works with my computer, it works standalone, it works with my iPod Touch. It looks great on my HDTV, it sounds great on my stereo system. It is easy to control the AppleTV with the included remote. Now that my iPod Touch (or iPhone) includes the new remote application, it is even better. Don't need the TV on or even connected to choose what music to listen to. As far as Logitech's response to this, I have seen wishlists on this forum that have mentioned a squeezebox with built-in harddrive. That would be a serious competitor. Thus no need for your computer to be on, no need for the configuration issues of an NAS. That is what AppleTV gives you. That is what Logitech may need to meet this challenge. And to take this even further, with the continual fall in price of laptops, e.g. the Asus Eee PC, you could just hook up a laptop directly to your stereo system and use an iPod Touch to control your music and other services. There is an evolution occurring that is blurring the lines in the conjunction of a standalone music device and an all-purpose computer. I am sure Logitech is not standing still and is taking note of these developments. My own observation is that if Logitech wants to break out of the hobbyist niche and into the mainstream, it has to focus on ease of use. That means eliminate the need for configuration issues, just make it work right out of the box (of course it can keep this option for advanced users). Anything that makes it hard to use a product builds in resistance to its adoption for the general consumer. This is where Apple excels. It has its own ecosystem of hardware and software that talks to each other flawlessly and easily. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pablolie;319583 Wrote: ... The first is a great shortcut to a pleateu with great usability. The second is an invitation to a tortuous, never-ending journey to perfection :-D. The perfect world is in a seamless compromise in the middle, because we need *both* depending on context. Thanks, that is exactly my feeling. And, as time is short, i always head for the most easy way getting things done. But- i like to torture myself sometimes, too, it is just the lack of time. -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pski;319618 Wrote: Back to the beginning of the thread: Nobody told this guy he could use wifi and the /handheld skins to control SC. Duh. Again the concept of a webserver controlling streams.. and listening to music on the ipod itself is only incredible if you like squashed MP3 sound. I used iPeng on the iPod, and the webinterface on my macbook. it is slow. main problem. it is slow, the serving iMac is old, the library huge. remote on the ipod touch is much much faster. But, after reading your comments, i might keep my squeezebox. The're still things left to love :) -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
filzer;319693 Wrote: I used iPeng on the iPod, and the webinterface on my macbook. it is slow. main problem. it is slow, the serving iMac is old, the library huge. remote on the ipod touch is much much faster. But, after reading your comments, i might keep my squeezebox. The're still things left to love :) Have you tried the new one (0.5.1) with FW 2.0? It's considerably faster now, although admittedly still not as fast as iTunes Remote. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pippin;319700 Wrote: Have you tried the new one (0.5.1) with FW 2.0? It's considerably faster now, although admittedly still not as fast as iTunes Remote. thanks pippin, i *will* give it a try. part of the slowlyness is fault of the slow server, i suppose, cause the normal webinterface is slow, too. -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
filzer;319708 Wrote: thanks pippin, i *will* give it a try. part of the slowlyness is fault of the slow server, i suppose, cause the normal webinterface is slow, too. Yes, but iPeng is MUCH faster than the normal webinterface if compared on the same machine. And Apple did a good job in improving speed on the browser even in the places where I didn't change anything... -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I've created '*a photo gallery*' (http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/5421906_3gXVj) comparing a few similar screens of the Apple Remote application controlling iTunes and the SB Controller. -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
dem;319740 Wrote: I've created '*a photo gallery*' (http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/5421906_3gXVj) comparing a few similar screens of the Apple Remote application controlling iTunes and the SB Controller. So what? I mean: it's nothing new about that, it's the same controls and menus the iPod application has been using since iPhone is out with the omission of Cover Flow. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pippin;319759 Wrote: So what? I mean: it's nothing new about that, it's the same controls and menus the iPod application has been using since iPhone is out with the omission of Cover Flow. I figured there were one or two people left who'd never seen one or both of these UIs. My bad. -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
dem;319800 Wrote: I figured there were one or two people left who'd never seen one or both of these UIs. My bad. OK, those people will like it, since it's cool. But pictures don't tell the whole story, don't they ... http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7 -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
dem;319800 Wrote: I figured there were one or two people left who'd never seen one or both of these UIs. My bad. Actually, I was interested. I've just had a go with the remote application on the Ipod. It's extremely slick and responsive but doesn't have Coverflow. The criticisms still stand about flexibility, audio quality and multi user functionality. I actually don't mind Itunes. If it could cope with FLAC, used an EAC-like routine as it's backbone to import CDs, it would be a tempting proposition. The thing that it has in it's favour is that it's stable enough and simple enough to get my wife to maybe use it. -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
pippin;319809 Wrote: http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7 Very pretty! -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
What there needs to be is a way to convert your squeezebox into an airport express or somehow get that functionality. Then people who purchased SBs can try both without buying an airport express. Is this possible? -- aflo aflo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
aflo;319904 Wrote: What there needs to be is a way to convert your squeezebox into an airport express or somehow get that functionality. Then people who purchased SBs can try both without buying an airport express. Is this possible? Frankly, I'd rather find a way to turn my airport express into a duet equivalent! -- ianr ianr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
ianr;319908 Wrote: Frankly, I'd rather find a way to turn my airport express into a duet equivalent! We all have different setups and i respect that. My setup consists of using itunes for my tagging and storage and using slimserver to host it to my SB. the problem with this is since i tag from my remote using some plugin, it will open up itunes anyway. Now I have 2 processes around 150k instead of 1. Whether you enjoy slimserver or Itunes is personal preference. Since Itunes will be loaded anyway, and i just picked up an iphone, i might as well try to make everything play nice with each other. -- aflo aflo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Probably an Ipod in a dock is actually all that most normal users need. I'm currently using completely separate music databases for Itunes and Squeezebox Slightly scruffy 320k files and disorganized ID3 tags for the Itunes data and FLAC with perfectly organized id3 tags for the Squeezebox Duet. It's quite interesting that because the FLAC files are better quality, that emotionally I feel I should keep it better organized! Ipods are better for most people because they rarely crash and you don't have to reconnect with the router or the server PC when something minor goes wrong. Most people just aren't in to it that much. On the subject of sound quality; I've got both an Airport Express and a Squeezebox Duet. The latter definitely sounds better. Yes, you can control a Squeezebox with a Touch or an Iphone just as the new remote control app can control Itunes but in actual use, there are likely to be varying degrees of stability and functionality. Dogs and fish can both swim, but they're not equally good at it! -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
iTunes? It used to be a decent option for choice when it came to commercial music. But I will take Amazon MP3s over iTunes any day now. And I *hate* bossy, proprietary devices and software. I have never liked the iPod concept. I like portable devices to be dumb memory sticks that allow me to just dump music onto them without needing a conversion agent and anyone's permission. I have no doubt that the SB3 is the closest thing to my needs - bridges the gap between computerized and audiophile world the nearly perfect way. I truly hope Logitech stays the course!! -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I'm glad Apple have done this, this a great option for existing Touch owners and its good to see more competition in the market. And it will suit some people more than the Squeezebox system. But it's not a replacement, it will appeal to a different niche in the market. The Squeezebox is a much more open, flexible and feature rich platform. They are like chalk and cheese. I cant ever see Apple allowing, let alone developing, partnerships and functionality like the brilliant Last.FM, Pandora, Rhapsody (and hopefully soon Napster). I always keep an open mind and if something better came along that suited me better i would sell up and say so long, and thanks for all the fish. Before you slam the door and stick two finger up to logitech/slim devices, just remember you have a lot to thank them for. I have no doubt many of the features/functionality Apple will now offer owes a lot to Slim Devices, who had let the way in this market (along with Sonos to be fair). And i know that works both ways before you say it. But its not for me and one thing that would really annoy me is to conflict between the portable and the home remote - mom, where is the music remote?, Oh, your dad had it at work -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.1b (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
just to be clear, the iPod in my setting is used as a remote, not as a player. i know salling clicker, but ist not as fast and as easy as remote on the ipod touch. one thing is absolutly right: how will wife and kids play music when i take my ipod to work... i think i have to buy a iphone then... :) when it comes to buy. The Duet i was thinking about is 399 here in Germany, thats a lot of $$$. The remote alone is still a 300 and its just a remote. iPod is nearly the same price. -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Yeah it's clear to me that you use the Touch as a remote and not a player. Sometimes I use my HTC Touch as a remote to control the Mac or the PC with Salling Clicker and sometimes I use it to stream audio from my Mac or PC to the phone and listen to it with headphones. I can't stream flac though. Not enough bandwidth on the HTC touch wifi. And the HTC Touch on wifi gives me like 1 hour of battery lol. Anyway I wake up today to see my SO listening to music on the balcony from the squeezebox to a pair of HD600. Since I like to sleep in she tries to spare me from a musical barrage. The squeezebox was connected to the slimserver on the Mac and she was listening through her iTunes collection while basking in the sun (what little sun we get here in Sweden). So I go to the Mac, start Softsqueeze and Airfoil and let it connect to the Airport Express which is connected to the hometheater system and hand her the Duet remote. Here ya go. Connect to a player. Now you can choose Listening Corner or iMac or PC. If you connect to iMac then you can stay on the balcony with the remote and listen to music through the speakers since the remote is controlling softsqueeze now. She pauses for a second and then goes Oh damn that's cool!. So I say yup, now you don't have to try pointing to your iMac with your remote from across the living room and you don't have to cry about not being able to install Salling on your Prada phone. I was thinking of buying just any crappy phone for that purpose but now it's solved with the duet remote. Also you can tell slimserver to scan iTunes AND a folder. Now I just have to see if Softsqueeze on OS X can playback FLAC. Or we just stick to ALAC on the iMac. The squeezebox I use is connected to a headphone amp (X-CANV8) in a listening corner in the living room with a pair of HD600 and AKG701. There are some cool features in Salling though, like pausing playback when somebody phones me, shutting down the computer, etc... The only thing separating us men from boys is the price of our toys. =) As for my SO... she's been a Mac fan since day one. iTunes, iPod, iMac, iBook (lol), you name it. I don't see myself convincing her to stop using iTunes lol. But I did show her what ALAC is the other day. And FLAC, and Cog.app. I prefer PC and Foobar but I work with Macs 90% of the time. Ah, the irony. -- Random Access Random Access's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Random Access;319321 Wrote: Squeezebox allows you to stream music without interacting with the computer. It's a totally different concept than remote controlling your computer to playback audio onto a remote audio device. Both methods have their uses and purposes. When playing your own local music library the iTunes + AirTunes + Apple Remote (on iPod Touch or iPhone) is very similar to the SqueezeCenter + Squeezebox Duet Receiver + Controller setup. What are the main differences in your opinion? For those of you with a little patience, Pippin might soon have something for us without an Airport to play with: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=319433postcount=125 -- morberg morberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8757 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
tharrison;319243 Wrote: (And PS. Someone should write an iPhone application for SB that works just like the iTunes remote. That would be cool). Ever heard of iPeng ? (www.penguinlovesmusic.com) Or the SqueezeBox Controller ? (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html) -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
morberg;319456 Wrote: When playing your own local music library the iTunes + AirTunes + Apple Remote (on iPod Touch or iPhone) is very similar to the SqueezeCenter + Squeezebox Duet Receiver + Controller setup. What are the main differences in your opinion? For those of you with a little patience, Pippin might soon have something for us without an Airport to play with: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=319433postcount=125 Both methods achieve the same result which is streaming music to a receiver. The iTunes + Airtunes + Receiver + Apple Remote combo occupies iTunes and prevents anyone else from using iTunes on the computer. This can be solved by using another program to play back audio while iTunes is busy streaming audio via Airtunes. This is cumbersome if the iTunes library is automagically sorted by iTunes. The Squeezecenter + Squeezebox Duet + Receiver + Controller setup does not occupy the computer in any way other than streaming audio files from it (simply requiring that it be on). This is not a problem if you live alone since there will most likely ever be only one person listening to music at a given time. Then you don't have to worry about your SO going over to the Mac, slapping on some headphones and start flipping through iTunes and then going Ooops! Sorry I didn't know you were listening to music on Airtunes. Oh honey that's okay... do you mind turning on another audio app and airfoil so I can stream audio from that instead?. Right now she's on the balcony listening to music with slimserver + softsqueeze + airfoil + receiver + speakers + duet controller. I'm sitting in front of the Mac typing this and the only way for me to interrupt her by accident is by turning off slimserver of the computer. And if I want to slap on my SE530 and listen to music through iTunes I won't screw her over (though I will shut her out :P). If she was sitting in front of the Mac she would be using Airtunes though (or headphones). But then I wouldn't be able to listen to music from iTunes unless I use my squeezebox. Or my PC. Airtunes means in most cases you will have 1 audio source for music playback unless you also use a folder based structure which is easy to navigate. Squeezebox means you gain an audio source. -- Random Access Random Access's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
filzer;319275 Wrote: regarding multiroom: you can select several airport stations to stream to. or all together. you cannot stream different music to different stations. That would be the biggest issue that I have with the system, to me one of the beauties of the SC/SB system is that I, my sons, my wife and her children can all listen to different music in different rooms at the same time. -- MuckleEck Alasdair SB3 - Linn Majik - Acoustic Energy Extreme 5 (garden) | SB3 - Cambridge Audio 640R - Morduant Short (TV room) | SB3 - AudioEngine 2 (bedroom) | SB3 - AudioEngine 2 (kitchen) | SBR - Music Fidelity X-A1 - Mission 701 (office)| Chumby (bedroom) | Two Controllers Last Fm http://www.last.fm/user/MuckleEck/ MuckleEck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
MuckleEck;319501 Wrote: That would be the biggest issue that I have with the system, to me one of the beauties of the SC/SB system is that I, my sons, my wife and her children can all listen to different music in different rooms at the same time. Another thing with the iphone remote system is what happens when you are gone. Leave your phone for the rest of the family? Buy one for just a remote? Buy everyone their own? Even with a touch, you want to use it outside to listen to as a portable but your wife wants it for a remote. It has a coolness factor but it could get costly to be cool. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I tried the new Remote application on my iPod Touch to control my music on my AppleTV. Very cool. At first I didn't get it. I said, hey, my AppleTV already has a remote and I can scroll through the songs on my television. But the Remote application on the Touch does add a new dimension of ease of control. I also have squeezeboxes too and I agree that both devices have their own advantages and I will keep them all. By the way, the new 2.0 operating system for iphone and ipod touch adds applications for free streaming internet radio as well, such as Pandora, over 200 channels of AOL music, and access to all of Shoutcast. Just put your iphone or touch into a dock connected to your stereo (I use a yamaha receiver that offers this option) or get one of the logitech stereo systems with ipod docking and you have streaming internet music akin to the squeezebox. Why are we mentioning all this? So that Slim Devices keeps up the good work, feels the heat of its competition to continue to add features, continues to be creative about future partnerships with other companies, etc. Its all good and ultimately benefits everyone - the companies that continue to evolve and the consumers that enjoy the entertainment. We've come a long way since top 40 AM radio and vinyl records. Keep it moving forward !!! -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Just to clarify, the appletv is a combo of an ipod plus airport plus a lot more. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mortslim;319546 Wrote: We've come a long way since top 40 AM radio and vinyl records. Keep it moving forward !!! Top 40 maybevinyl..as far as music quality is concerned...debatable! -- MuckleEck Alasdair SB3 - Linn Majik - Acoustic Energy Extreme 5 (garden) | SB3 - Cambridge Audio 640R - Morduant Short (TV room) | SB3 - AudioEngine 2 (bedroom) | SB3 - AudioEngine 2 (kitchen) | SBR - Music Fidelity X-A1 - Mission 701 (office)| Chumby (bedroom) | Two Controllers Last Fm http://www.last.fm/user/MuckleEck/ MuckleEck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
tharrison wrote: So rather than making remarks about people who use iTunes or are thrilled with the idea of the Remote application for the iPhone, perhaps the community could recognize that we're not all audiophiles, and sometimes it's just nice to listen to music without pain and suffering! Don't use itunes and don't suffer. It's as simple as that isn't it? Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
filzer wrote: just to be clear, the iPod in my setting is used as a remote, not as a player. i know salling clicker, but ist not as fast and as easy as remote on the ipod touch. one thing is absolutly right: how will wife and kids play music when i take my ipod to work... i think i have to buy a iphone then... :) when it comes to buy. The Duet i was thinking about is 399€ here in Germany, thats a lot of $$$. The remote alone is still a 300€ and its just a remote. iPod is nearly the same price. You mean you haven't tried the 40% off voucher code? I just got a controller for 150 EUR excl VAT. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Just trying to make a comparison of prices of the Slim Devices Duet to the AppeTV, iPod Touch setups: Slim Devices Duet: $400. AppleTV: $230. (no tv required to play music) iPod Touch: $300. (or iPhone for $200., plus ATT contract) Total Apple: $530. So actually the Duet is more reasonably priced, just looking at playing your own music on your stereo system with remote control in a handheld controller. However after price comparisons, then of course everyone has to weigh the other intangibles. With the Apple setup, you dont need your computer running, you dont have to worry about configuration issues as much (at least from my own experience) and both the AppleTV plus iPod Touch do so much more than just play music (including wifi streaming internet music from Pandora, AOL, shoutcast). Again, I have all of the above devices and I recommend all of the above. Just making some comparisons. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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In my humble opinion, we are witnessing 2 different approaches: The Apple system is driven by the usual brilliance in usability - intuitive, pretty interfaces and as much of a self-configuringcorrecting environment as can be implemented with state of art stuff. The Slim-Logitech approach bows to more traditional audiophile qualities: you can customize the great audiophile potential to your very own preferences, you can make it fit your very individual audiophile shrine. It represents a declaration of freedom to fiddle and configure and customize, and as such comes with the usual pitfalls associated with a proposition that assumes the audience knows what it's doing. :-) The first is a great shortcut to a pleateu with great usability. The second is an invitation to a tortuous, never-ending journey to perfection :-D. The perfect world is in a seamless compromise in the middle, because we need *both* depending on context. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I might say something stupid here, but then enlighten med if there is something I missed. Unfortunately I am not into all the plugins, gadgets, shortcuts, whatever I really like the SB3, and ITunes. But, I am a little put off by the SB3 original remote, and the small screen of SB3. I love the ITunes layout on the computer, everything is so perfect, browsing for music is a breeze, have to admit I seldom browse for music with the SB3 remote I do not buy anything from the ITunes store. Hmmm, did anyone mention the Controller as a solution for me?? -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
erland;319457 Wrote: Ever heard of iPeng ? (www.penguinlovesmusic.com) Or the SqueezeBox Controller ? (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html) And now with the iPhone 2.0 version: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49821 Sorry, two days late, but I had to work my way through a few nice bugs Apple left in the system. And, yes: the native app will come, too. Yet this is a bit comparing apples to oranges :-) I like the iTunes remote app, but for iTunes I have to keep my computer (whichever one) running (with iTunes, which is a resource hog) and it has much less capabilities than SC with iPeng (for example...): Try to manage playlists, play internet radio, use MusicIP, use several players, sync them, get Lyrics, and, and and... with iTunes. It's just different systems for very different applications and I don't feel they will compete a lot. Unless Apple vamps up AppleTV, of course... -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
mortslim;319578 Wrote: Slim Devices Duet: $400. AppleTV: $230. (no tv required to play music) iPod Touch: $300. (or iPhone for $200., plus ATT contract) Total Apple: $530. No need to buy an AppleTV just for music. Use an Airport Express for $99, a more fair comparison. So $400 for either approach. I love my Duet, but the new Apple Remote application blows the SBC away in terms of usability. It's really quite impressive. -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;319591 Wrote: I like the iTunes remote app, but for iTunes I have to keep my computer (whichever one) running ... The Remote application will wake up your computer if it has gone to sleep (if your computer's not using a wireless connection). -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I relocated recently, temporarily separating myself from my vinyl and CD collection while setting up a new business. My Squeezeboxes and Transporter kept me sane by providing an unending stream of music, news, new music and even background sounds, all with superb sound quality. I let my Pandora and Rhapsody services guide me to new artists and new albums, enjoying the meeting an old friend I never knew feeling of connecting with an artist introduced by the squeezebox. I tapped into my FLAC files, re-listening to albums whose originals were 1500 miles away. I never felt deprived of my music and enjoyed it through my best stereo rig, or through a pair of advent AV570 powered speakers in the kitchen while I cooked or even through a ridiculously cheap super T amp powering spherical sattelite speakers while I shaved. I laughed at comedy podcasts I had downloaded, enjoyed public radio programs on the internet radio and fell asleep here in the U.S. while listening to a jazz radio station in Paris. I'm sure the iPod users enjoy their music as is. Good for them. I want more. More sound quality, more musical and information choices and more of a CONNECTION to the world of sounds that waits to be discovered. Nothing beats the Squeezebox for that. Nothing even comes close. I just gave a trio of Squeezeboxes to a great friend who has an incredibly expensive stereo system and an amazing collection of music. I was trying to find a cool gift for a man who has everything. He, his wife and his kids think the Squeezeboxes are the coolest gift they have ever received. Mission accomplished. sorry for the long post boslim -- boslim boslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dem;319597 Wrote: The Remote application will wake up your computer if it has gone to sleep (if your computer's not using a wireless connection). No it will not. My PC consumes so much power I usually disconnect it from power when off. My MacBook Air comes with me and will not have a wired connection. And my Linux server cannot run iTunes. :-) -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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filzer;319200 Wrote: yesterday i installed firmware 2 on my ipod touch, and next thing was to install remote, an application from apple to remote control my itunes. and today i will put my squeezebox on ebay. i am really sorry to say that, because i love my squeezebox and i liked very much what i could do with it. but, apple once again did everything right (a little late, maybe). I have an ipod and airport express anyway, but now i can use my ipod touch to remote control itunes on my old serving iMac g3, fast, easy, no setup hassle, no server whatever IP and so on. It just works, like listening music on the ipod itself. incredible. Back to the beginning of the thread: Nobody told this guy he could use wifi and the /handheld skins to control SC. Duh. Again the concept of a webserver controlling streams was missed. -- pski pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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boslim;319607 Wrote: I just gave a trio of Squeezeboxes to a great friend Can I be your friend please? MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
and the point of this post was what exactly? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Phil Leigh;319201 Wrote: and the point of this post was what exactly?Showing off? ;) -- bonze TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - SqueezeCenter Version: 7.2 - 21515 - Windows Server 2003 - EN - cp1252 3 x wireless SB3 + a Duet bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It certainly looks interesting but it won't do FLAC. Web radio is also better on Squeezebox. It's also a better audiophile solution. Although I have a Touch, I don't think I should pay for software updates as a point of principle. I've paid for one and resented it, I don't want to pay for anymore - even if it's cheap. Microsoft don't do it with the Zune and they haven't fallen foul of SOX so why should Apple? It's a widespread gripe as you can see from many other message boards. It would be interesting to see if connection stability is as good or better. The main fault of the Squeezebox IMO is the way it copes when it loses connection. The UI on the Touch is years ahead of the one on the Duet handset albeit on a much more expensive device. -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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showing off: probably, yes, a little ;) in fact i am a little bit exited about the new possablilities of the touch. it is new, came out yesterday, and it is a true competition. i thought the board might be interested, beside my personal happiness :) -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I'm sure that there will be peeps for whom the iPhone/Mac/Airport solution will be ideal. IIRC the DAC/analogue drive of the Airport isn't quite in the same league as the Duet/SB3... -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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How is the multi-room synchronization using the ipod solution? -- upstatemike upstatemike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I have one of the old iPhones, and got the new software, including the remote app. I mostly use iTunes when I want to listen on my computer, and SB when I want to listen throughout the house. The iPhone remote is cool because it is not IR -- it uses the iPhone's wireless connection to talk to iTunes on the computer. Slick. So it would be totally cool for me to have iTunes running and providing a menu and have it play using the SB's player. Yet I have been struggling for several years now to make the iTunes support in SlimServer work completely, notably with playlists. Sometimes it works, then I upgrade, or make a change and then it sort of works, or rescanning fails, or playlists are listed but contents are not read, etc, etc, etc. Sure, Apple's not making life easy for anyone but themselves, and iTunes is a moving target (and don't get me started about DRM :-) but the Slim/Logitech folks can either fight, or they can embrace iTunes. I love my SqueezeBoxes. I have been using this product for years now. When it works it's great. But I have to say that it frequently doesn't work, and it's frustrating enough to throw up my hands and go the AirTunes direction ... and know it will just work. So rather than making remarks about people who use iTunes or are thrilled with the idea of the Remote application for the iPhone, perhaps the community could recognize that we're not all audiophiles, and sometimes it's just nice to listen to music without pain and suffering! (And PS. Someone should write an iPhone application for SB that works just like the iTunes remote. That would be cool). -- tharrison tharrison's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4831 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
tharrison;319243 Wrote: (And PS. Someone should write an iPhone application for SB that works just like the iTunes remote. That would be cool). I thought they already had... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Itunes is great if you like a bloated Drm laden library / store that tells you what type of music files you can use. It kind of reminds me of America Online for people that want their hands held with digital music. Nothing wrong with that except that they are also a bit like the old company store. You don't really own them they own you. Enjoy. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Quoting filzer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): yesterday i installed firmware 2 on my ipod touch, and next thing was to install remote, an application from apple to remote control my itunes. and today i will put my squeezebox on ebay. i am really sorry to say that, because i love my squeezebox and i liked very much what i could do with it. but, apple once again did everything right (a little late, maybe). I have an ipod and airport express anyway, but now i can use my ipod touch to remote control itunes on my old serving iMac g3, fast, easy, no setup hassle, no server whatever IP and so on. It just works, like listening music on the ipod itself. incredible. I have an iPhone 3G too (replacing my year-old original). I haven't even considered installing the 'Remote' app. The only thing I would ever use iTunes for is syncing the iPhone, and even that is problematic because of the lack of FLAC support. itunes is a bloated piece of garbage. I use and love Apple and Apple products, but man what a misfire iTunes is. Have fun though! -- http://www.last.fm/user/ddewey ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
A few people I know haven't been bowled over by my Squeezebox setup (albeit in the minority ;-), saying they can achieve the same thing on their iPods and docking stations. Trying to explain the differences is futile; multi-room, FLAC and sound quality mean little to your common-or-garden iPod owner (especially the latter *ahem*). But to be honest I think they're onto something. The current gen iPod Classics have 80Gb storage, plenty for a normal user's music collection (or at least the subset of their collection they actually listen to) and each generation's storage is likely to increase at the rate of a normal user's collection. There will always be people who find this setup inadequate, most of whom are on this forum, but if Logitech want to increase growth they're going to have to appeal to the iPod-owning market and find a USP that attracts them to the Squeezebox. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
Yes, you are right. Audiophiles do not like iTunes, and i wouldnt, either. I used the squeezebox mainly to get my massive mp3 library running, and - not always and sometimes frustrating - playing. But it sat on a iTunes setup already, swapping that to airtunes was no hassle. regarding multiroom: you can select several airport stations to stream to. or all together. you cannot stream different music to different stations. -- filzer filzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
simbo;319272 Wrote: A few people I know haven't been bowled over by my Squeezebox setup (albeit in the minority ;-), saying they can achieve the same thing on their iPods and docking stations. Trying to explain the differences is futile; multi-room, FLAC and sound quality mean little to your common-or-garden iPod owner (especially the latter *ahem*). But to be honest I think they're onto something. The current gen iPod Classics have 80Gb storage, plenty for a normal user's music collection (or at least the subset of their collection they actually listen to) and each generation's storage is likely to increase at the rate of a normal user's collection. There will always be people who find this setup inadequate, most of whom are on this forum, but if Logitech want to increase growth they're going to have to appeal to the iPod-owning market and find a USP that attracts them to the Squeezebox.They are on to something... a very decent portable device. It's not an end all solution to home stereo. I have an 80gb classic but why would I want to use it when all my music is on my computer. Much handier and better decoding. I can use any program I want to change my music and use any format I want. People think they have problems with a SB wait until they have a problem with itunes. It can wipe your library pretty good. Not saying that happens all the time but it does happen. With the SB you might not be able to play your music for a bit. I've had my SB3 for about 8 months now and can't say that I've had 5 mins of downtime with it and I run beta's almost always. In my mind the SB does not compare with an Ipod for a portable device and the Ipod and itunes do not compare for home stereo with the SB. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] bye squeeze, hello ipod
I'm sorry to hear that it has taken some of you so many years to realize that you can remote control iTunes with your phone. There is a program called Salling Clicker. With it you can control iTunes, Windows Media Player and more. It works with OS X and with Windows. It works on just about any phone with a few exceptions. Many smartphones have wifi, otherwise you can use bluetooth. iTunes can stream to an Airport Express. Or... you can use Airfoil and stream from any application to your Airport Express (or to another computer). I can get bit perfect from any app on OS X but I have had trouble getting bit perfect on Windows except with iTunes. iTunes users don't really need FLAC since they have ALAC. Just about every ipod out there can handle ALAC. You can also convert FLAC to ALAC. IPOD classic has up to 160GB storage. It also has line out. It's a good way to have a backup of all your music. The quality of the DAC on the airport express isn't the best out there but all you audiophiles can use the optical out into your own DACs. Squeezebox allows you to stream music without interacting with the computer. It's a totally different concept than remote controlling your computer to playback audio onto a remote audio device. Both methods have their uses and purposes. -- Random Access Random Access's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
