Re: [discuss] The best way to answer questions on this list
Can you encourage one of the webmasters to add this to the signup page for discuss and user lists? Rigel On 3/31/06, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to remind everyone of a few simple points which may help new users get the most out of our answers: 1) For many new users they are not always the most comfortable at using the internet nor email 2) Many will not even know that discuss@openoffice.org is a mailing list, nor even how a mailing list works 3) So we need to be patient and polite in our responses 4) We should also CC: the posters of messages that contain a Delivered-to: moderator header since they are from users who are not subscribed and thus they would otherwise not see our responses. 5) For FAQs we should redirect the users to the appropriate web pages at http://user-faq.openoffice.org or http://documentation.openoffice.org 6) For development related email we should redirect the users email advising them to subscribe to the mailing list to dev@the-appropriate-project.openoffice.org 7) Ignore trolls i.e. those with the na-na MSWord is better than OOo and always will be! attribute or similar as they serve no useful purpose 8) Adhere to the usual Netiquette Note 1 : So how do I know if someone is not subscribed ? That is easy : there is a field in every email on this list called Delivered-to. For subscribed users it will show your email address. For unsubscribed users, there will be two Delievered-to fields, the one as described above, and a second one with the value moderator. Any email delivered to the moderator and then to the list, means that the email was from an unsubscribed user and therefore you should try to CC: that user. Many people use their email tool to filter the users@ emails so that those with the field Delivered-to with a value of moderator get flagged to indicate that they should be treated specially. Regards -- CPH : openoffice.org contributor Maybe your question has been answered already? http://user-faq.openoffice.org/#FAQ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Feature request (does this belong in this list?)
If you use Keynote alot, you may want to look at: WikidPad: http://www.jhorman.org/wikidPad/ or FreeMind: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freemind/ Each of them has their benefits and drawbacks, neither one integrates, but I like them both better than KeyNote. One lets you use a Wiki right on your desktop, and the other allows for very flexible handling of hierarchial data. Rigel On 3/23/06, Mark David Dumlao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using an open source information manager application for quite a while now, but I've been having difficulty getting it to work in Linux/wine. The program, keynote, saves a collection of rtf files as a single file, something like a master document in openoffice. I was wondering if a plugin existed that allowed me to open .knt files in openoffice, possibly as a master document? If there are none, then is it possible for one to be written? project page of keynote: keynote.sourceforge.net the specs are open, but the community seems small, and the main developer doesn't know how to do portable guis like gtk, so I was thinking petitioning to openoffice groups would be faster. -- thing. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2
found the data. It's actually at this address inside the forum page http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=131268#131268 If you don't do a search for premium or something similar you'd assume it's just a generic writer thread. Rigel On 3/20/06, Szalai Kálmán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you think it is spam? I just send this letter to inform about Openoffice related product. It is a same product with extras. You can read more here: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=18046postdays=0postorder=ascstart=45 KAMI Chad Smith írta: If I reply to an email advertising something (even if it is free) - and I get the original email sent back to me... That's SPAM in my book. On 3/20/06, Justin Fitzgibbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not actually spam I think OO.o premium is as I understand it the standard version of OO.o plus clip art from OO Extras and addons such as fonts See http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=56131for details It looks to be 176mb in size which is not bad considering the additions. -Original Message- From: Chad Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 9:39 AM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 Can we spell SPAM? On 3/20/06, Szalai Kálmán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! Please download the latest Premium version of OpenOffice.org 2.0.2 from here: ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium HU and EN language versions available on Win and Lin platforms... KAMI - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Google Acquires Writerly
I disagree that Microsoft has lost the desktop war. However, they are gradually losing the desktop war. Rigel On 3/17/06, Jonathon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad wrote: I marginallized his pet project of ODF What you fail to understand is that Microsoft has lost: i) The office suite war; ii) The server war; iii) The desktop war. iv) The file format war; xan jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Motto of Nacarima. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] RE: Testimonial
I thought it was funny. On 3/16/06, Tork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm ashamed to say I read thru all this crap hoping for just one line to make my reading-time worth while, but no. (My 4-letter words cannot be repeated here.) Tork Patrick Ashley Meuser-Bianca wrote: My negative view on this product is slight. I know its because SAA must be integrated by OpenOffice.org. Is it really Sun's last hope though. I think its a psuedo-C++ layer in fact. You can research my claim of a PSI-TAU Moderator Robot in order to more efficiently implement the Pico Java at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psycho-cybernetics. What I mean to convey is that my machine is NSTL compliant and I've been conductin intelligence on its key-pad. I shall include the reports for a chance to integrate gag-clustering to my vantage, with Inventure America, and US WEB-Reach where I discovered a URLConnection that actually implemented a session so that only one could be active at a time for a HTTP Firewall application, so it was discontinued as US WEB went out of business. OpenOffice.org should be focused on recovering Sailfish at Reuters to scan the Ancient Egyptian Pyramids for remenants and use that as the base case instead, re-build the aforemention until SAA has be integrated as an Upsilon mail block module in the PICO chip would suffice. But it goes farther than this, achieve these goals and the famous second generational nanite supposition of ancient fusion in the imminent destruction of 911 would pop the duplex parity in the mail block and return the structures with my polluted system as a momento. It's been determined as a result, there's no proof of ancient egyptian fusion as I believed, but still believe. Let's go team. Patrick Ashley Meuser-Bianca Cyberneticist http://www.xyz9000.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Google Acquires Writerly
Chad? Do you want people to not like you? You don't like people telling you what to do, I'm sure they don't like you telling them what to do. Civillity is a virtue. If you don't want to be berrated, perahaps you should not barrate others, or is this simply a mood you go through occasionally? Rigel On 3/16/06, Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/16/06, Sam Hiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you unaware that Google employs some of the Hamburg SO/OOo engineers? I *KNOW* that Google employs 2 OOo coders. That has jack squat to do with what I am saying. Google BOUGHT Writely! Did they buy OOo? No - they didn't. Did they buy Sun? Not yet anyway. Do they even distribute OOo? No - they don't. My *point* was that GIVEN that they already work with OOo (even though it's all behind the scenes so far) if they were pushing a download thing - it would be OOo - not the ugly pre-alpha vaporware that Daniel brought up. Seriously - if you don't know what the thread is about - keep your mouth shut. READ THE SUBJECT LINE NEXT TIME! Maybe try not reviving threads that are 5 days dead that you have no clue what your talking about. iRows works today. It is alive today. It is real today. It has users today. It looks similiar to Blogger (Google properity) and Writely (Google properity). It is a service for people to do spreadsheets from their browser - like Blogger does for web editing, and Writely does for Word processing. iRows is a far better choice for Google than wikicalc, which is none of those things. It doesn't even exist yet. This is really ticking me off - people, read the thread. Read the emails. If you don't understand them - either *ASK* what it means (don't assume you know) - or stay out of it. Especially if the thread ended last week. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] calc suggestion
first of all. can you put a sheet inside a sheet? if not, a tree doesn't make much sense... Nesting doesn't occur. Rigel On 3/10/06, Niklas Nebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: De Leeuw Guy wrote: In the futur devellopment of calc, I suggest the replacement of the tab vieuw of the sheet by a tree vieuw. Your advice ? Any more details on what you imagine? I suppose we'd need more structure in the data first - a list of rows, each of which, when expanded, shows its cells doesn't really sound better than a table view. Niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice Feature Suggestion: Mind-mapping Software
this is linux only... Do you know if there's a win32 port Alexandro? Rigel On 2/26/06, Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, my bad: http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/ On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:14:06 -0600, Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't find anything on google by that name. sorry On 2/25/06, Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:57:17 -0600, Jeremy Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenOffice Developers: I'm not really a programmer but I was thinking that one simple feature that OpenOffice could consider building in as an additional supplement to the software making it much more attractive to managers, executives, and developers is a mind-mapping module. There are a few open source projects that do mind-mapping, one in particular is Freemind (freemind.sourceforge.net) which is written in Java. Regardless, I think if a mind-mapping program were included as part of the suite it would bring with it an additional advantage over Microsoft Office. Further, give the mind-mapping component the ability to be exported or shared and edited with other OpenOffice users. Thanks, Jeremy Thornton There is a program called kdisstress which is basically mind-mapping and is compatible with OOo -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice Feature Suggestion: Mind-mapping Software
Yep. I use freemind. I like it. Thanks Robin. Rigel On 3/7/06, Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: this is linux only... Do you know if there's a win32 port Alexandro? Rigel On 2/26/06, Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, my bad: http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/ On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:14:06 -0600, Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't find anything on google by that name. sorry On 2/25/06, Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:57:17 -0600, Jeremy Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenOffice Developers: I'm not really a programmer but I was thinking that one simple feature that OpenOffice could consider building in as an additional supplement to the software making it much more attractive to managers, executives, and developers is a mind-mapping module. There are a few open source projects that do mind-mapping, one in particular is Freemind (freemind.sourceforge.net) which is written in Java. Regardless, I think if a mind-mapping program were included as part of the suite it would bring with it an additional advantage over Microsoft Office. Further, give the mind-mapping component the ability to be exported or shared and edited with other OpenOffice users. Thanks, Jeremy Thornton There is a program called kdisstress which is basically mind-mapping and is compatible with OOo -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org Take a look at FreeMind. Linux, Mac OS X, any other OS and off course Windows. http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page -- Robin Laing - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Fr: Bug sur le bonton KP_DEL et le point (.) dans openoffice
http://fr.openoffice.org/ Partie francophone d'OpenOffice.org http://fr.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList Liste de discussion à propos d'OpenOffice.org, de la communauté, du produit et de l'Open Source. On 3/5/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonjour, voici un bug que je constate dans Openoffice depuis la version 1.1 et qui est toujours présent dans la version 2.0.1. J'ai un clavier AZERTY, je suis sous Windows XP SP2, mis à jour. Mon bug est le suivant: lorsque j'appuie sur le bouton KP_DEL, pour le *point* (point à la fin d'une phrase), ce n'est pas un point qui s'écrit dans Openoffice, mais une *virgule*. Bonne continuation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Why do you force me to use M$ Excel???
charting component? Rigel On 3/1/06, Rod Engelsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: He has two choices, he can implement it himself (it's open source) or he can submit an official feature request and let the community vote for it (a high vote count can be a good indicator for a fast implementation) and when somebody else volunteer to implement it the feature will find it's way into the product. Life can be so simple ;-) Juergen What's the point? The relevant issue is #5289, http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5289, and it has been open since May 26, 2002. That's almost four years! It's also closely related to http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=366, which has been open since Feb 2, 2001 (over 5 years!), and http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7998, open since Oct 1, 2002. So basically, if you can't code it yourself, and very, very, few people can, you really have no choice but to use the competitor's product. On the bright side, there is some indication that this will be addressed when the new Charting component hits the streets. But your guess is as good as mine as to when that will appear. -- Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Web Office Suite: best of breed products
here's my 2c In spite of new web technologies, and reliability one still needs to concern themselves with a few other problems. A: Where is your data, and what happens if where it's stored gets fried somehow. This could be a result of admin errors, stupid staff, power surge, or virus. B: The feedback loop even on a highspeed connection is ridiculous. Don't expect real-time updating or slide-show type presentations to actually work online C: who's controlling the data going, and the data coming? Corporations are only going to want to put their data where they can control how its accessed. They can't control a google server. They can however control their own. My 2 cents. Rigel On 2/23/06, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: You need to look for customers who won't mind not being able to access their files for one day. Why if you provide them with a backup connection? Its about £25 a month for our 2 meg ADSL connection so doubling that cost is not prohibitive. ...or go to a market where people can get a backup connection at a reasonable price. You can't guarantee kids have a computer or Internet connection at home. I was thinking of school, not home. Daniel. -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for \/_/ stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels / off of everything and let the problem solve itself? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Searching for special characters
Well here's one for teh help and support documentation team. If each heading had a couple examples for each description that could help people find what they're looking for sooner. Ex: Regular expressions in reference to the question. Allows you to use wildcards in your search. List of Regular Expressions So what are wildcards? what are expressions? These two terms should be double-underlined with definitions that pop-up. Also, if an example or two were tossed into the description or an example link that would help too. These two things would beef of the contextual nature of searching for help. Rigel On 2/17/06, Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:06:48 -0600, Ken Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Word, when doing a search replace, I could search for hard returns. Is there a way to do this in Writer? I think this question was already answered, the answer is yes. The how well I will need to rescue that mail, but AFAIK you can use regular expressions to find that, such as \n for end of line. I will look on the archieves of this mailing list since this was responded recently (1 week ago). -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Feature Idea - Timed Mail Merge
I think if Mike wants to cary this thread he's welcome to Tork. This is after all a free forum. I'm not sure if you're new to the discuss list, but the first amendmant(freedom of speech) was not left at the door. If you stop responding then the issue will probably close itself, but I don't see any purpose in appearing to try to get the last word. That's just a bit childish in my experience. He may be a personal user, but a business down the road might have the very same complaint. As it is. BASIC in OOo is quite a bit more complicated than it should have to be to use. If he wants a mail merge, I'd say add it to bugzilla and vote on it! However I don't know how to properly file a bug report as I've never done it with a link, so if someone wants to help out. Rigel On 2/16/06, Tork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mike, who's missing the big picture! I realize now you can not visualize yourself as the owner/operator of an IP. As far as your personal bulk problem, start sending your blurrs to the 25 or whatever your IP accepts, and then send it 5 times or whatever to reach your 125 subscribers. No macros, no fuzz, and perhaps a good idea to drop the subject?? Tork Michael Lissner wrote: I don't know what the solution here is, but I do find it annoying. I mean, do they really need to set their ISP filter to catch somebody after 25 emails? The real enemy is going to be sending something more like 10,000 or 500,000 emails right? In an hour right? So why do they stop me? I'm sure they also have the technology and ability to log email usage. If I send five emails a day for years, and then attempt to send 100, that should be considered OK by them (I'm obviously an OK guy, with years of good usage). Now, if I start sending 200/day for a month, maybe they need to do something. Even then, I feel like it's not really their responsibility, but that's another story. I've just researched this, and the Internet doesn't seem to have a solid stance that I can find. Anyway, I would write a macro, if I knew how. The problem is, the average person doesn't know how to write a macro of that level, and the average person does want to send mass emails occasionally. Hence the feature suggestion. So, I repeat: Is this a constructive way to make a suggestion, or is there another venue? -mike Tork wrote: OK Mike; now for a minute put yourself in the internet provider's shoes. How do you distinguish spam from club activity? Do a word scan on contents? Not likely. By quantity of recipients? More likely. So what's your magical number if not 25? Ok, so perhaps 125 in your case, this time, or this year. Comeon Mike; you have a problem like all clubs with a newsletter of some kind and quantity. Write your own macro to break it up to get by your IP. And good luck to your AIDS and hiking adventures. Tork Michael Lissner wrote: Ok. I have officially joined the forum, and am here to defend my honor. No, I am not a spammer, nor am I getting married or am I hosting soccer games or band practice. I do have a website, aidshike.org, and I do feel strongly about fighting the AIDS pandemic. However, these things have little to do with the email I was going to send out. Really, I have upwards of 125 friends and acquantances, and I want them to all get the same email about how I just finished hiking from Mexico to Canada. A mass email, but not spam by any means. Anyway, this would be a good feature. Is there a way to make it happen, or push it forward? Is this email that way? -mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] A new project for the incubator
Sophie, where do I find the OOo wiki? On 2/16/06, Sophie Gautier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Konrad, Konrad wrote: [...] After several thoughts I think strefa (Eng. zone) is unneccessary. Although CVS lacks several features, like PHP. That's why we can not have anything more than dosumentsfiles, which doesn't allow previews or comments. It's not possible, at least certain people are claiming so, to create a knowledge base, that is FAQ with comments or a forum that looks like a forum, or a blog/news, etc within Collabnet/Sun servers. Are you aware that you can use the OOo wiki ? Charles has made a proposal about this on the native lang list. But eventually I think the less features, the less place left for quarelling. And the less place to puzzle energies ;) From what i have observed recently certain people, who have done nothing, are criticizing or even trying to take over the functions of our i18n or l10n projects, abusing the fact that some features are not yet implemented or foisting irrational conditions on us. Ok, I understand this, unfortunately that arise some time in several projects. So in the end I've come to the same conclusion as it was in the beginning of all projects and just leave everything as is. What is the real problem here ? Is it technical : do you need special tools like phpbb forums for example, or a wiki or something like that to solve your problem. As Pavel I didn't understand what is your need for a new incubator project, if it's technical, let discuss the tools you need on the native-lang list and see how we can help you and share our experience here. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Oh no!
errr. I thought that text was supposed to be black on white background. Was this a joke? Rigel On 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reverse type? Is that to make your email even harder to read? May I suggest you Google typography and read some of the articles about the difficulties of reverse type? Not being a smarty pants, but my eyes can't take it any longer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software
I might have a wrong view here. But I feel that reserving idle personal chatter should be kept to personal e-mails as much as heated debate about individuals. Does anyone else agree with this? Should we attemp to work this into the platform of the list, to an extent? Just to clean it up a bit of course. I tend to get alot e-mails from this list that are off-topic, or not really on any topic at all. There is a social list for idle chatter Cyrille. It is also free, so please try to use it. Rigel On 2/8/06, Cyrille Moureaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Armin, And it's nice to see you back :) thanks - though I even have hardly time for lurking Let me get this straight, you don't have time for lurking, what with royally observing solar physics and such, and yet you choose to involve yourself in such a constructive discussion about easter eggs? ;-) Nice to see (read) you back too. Cyrille - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] RE: very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software
I think I'm going to have to start setting up filters for my web mail that look for key phrases like shut up and superior and expert and years and other such shenanigans. This isn't a sounding board for the screenplay of a soap opera. If one has issues with another they don't go at them in a crowd of hundreds. Not only is it embarrasing to the irate individual, it also disturbs the activities of every person in that crowd. Please guys, if you have an issue with eachother take it into personal e-mail. The discussion list isn't here to discuss eachother, it's to discuss our contributions to OOo. We're not here to joust, and I feel that this behavior of venting publicly is going to hurt those venting more than anyone else, and it certaintly isn't going to help the project. On the issue of the easter eggs, I don't think it's a matter of whether or not to remove them per sey. That's a given. Once they're known they're going to get attention. The question is, how can we introduce them back in? There are going to be individuals that will enjoy finding the easter eggs and it may even be beneficial to code them using OOo's BASIC programming language. This could be a challenge and it could show up places where the codebase needs to be cleaned up to make macros and scripts easier to write, and faster to run. Rigel On 2/7/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith schreef: On 2/7/06, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 09:16 -0500, Chad Smith wrote: There is no point to remove easter eggs. It's not going to get us in more schools. How is it Chad that you are an expert in every field? You know more about education than I do despite the fact that I have worked at a senior level in that industry for many years. You know more about marketing than Steven despite the fact he is a 20 year experience professional in that field. I'm sorry, did I ever claim to be an expert? Did I ever claim to know more than you or Steven? By disagreeing with someone - does that mean I claim superiority? If so - then you have claimed superiority to me numerous times. You seem to think that just because you are a so-called expert that I should just lay down and agree with every word you say on the subject. I won't do that. How many times have I asked for something - OOo Lite, a PIM, etc. - and you - yourself, personally, Ian, have told me that I could either code it myself or convince someone to code it for me or shut up? Well, take your own expert advice. Find a bug report - oh wait, someone did that already and it was turned down. Try again - oh, you mean it's been tried a couple of time and shot down each time? Hmmm... Maybe code it yourself. Seriously, unless there are some developers lurking on these list that are deciding to remove the ee or not - I don't see a point to this discussion. Even if I were to agree with you, (which I don't), how would that remove the EE? What if every person who commented on this thread, or the 3 or 4 other threads about this, suddenly agreed that all easter eggs should be removed - or that all interactive ees should be removed? What then? File yet another IZ report, all of us quick vote and confirm it, and set it at the highest priority, only to have to shot down again as either CLOSED WILL NOT FIX or DUPLICATE or left open with no action... What do you propose - meaning what action do you want to take to remove the EEs? -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software! I propose you either be productive, even if you disagree, or shutup about it Chad. Every Government has its opposition. Why not try to get something done together, Chad, instead of spilling frustrations all over the threads. We are serious about this issue and if you care, or want to keep the EEs in, because they are usefull, you could help to find a way how to let the public voice decide instead of forcing us to justify your claims. How about it Chad? In for a challenge? Want to try to get this done, either the EEs in or the EE's out? You could join in on our effort to point out that there is a general marketing problem in this community. I would like you to use your 'ambitious force' and join in on having constructive discussions. Let us know? Steven P - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] RE: very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software
perhaps we can offer them as a downlaodable extension for OOo. Of course then we'd have to document how to access them, and they'd no longer be a secret... Kind of takes the fun out of it. Ideas on how to nest a known easter egg for consenting users of an extension? Rigel On 2/6/06, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 23:56 +, Martin Taylor wrote: Listen, I'm glad that developers want to have a bit of fun. But you're trying to market OOo to people for whom fun is not part of their agenda. Martin, are you a member of the marketing project? If not please join! We need more expertise in marketing. This thread demonstrates it. Let's do OOo a favour. Find some way of making the Easter eggs optional, at least. Agreed. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software
could be a troll chad. Easter egg or no easter egg their voice is just as relevant as yours or anyone elses. Let the guy have a life. Rigel On 2/5/06, Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculus. Who cares if there's an easter egg? It doesn't hurt anything. Gesh. get a life, man. Dang. On 2/5/06, Emmanuel Mortier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, During our last meeting of the Liege Linux Team (LiLiT), a member shows me the game starwar available on the openoffice calc. It's a pity to fall down on the same problem as commercial softwares. One of the argument for the open source software is, this program do what he says to do, not more. I understand a program is more and more heavier to add functionnality or possibilities I probably never use (but others users can use). But I cannot undersand to add 'hidden' functions , for the fun. It's far away from the alternate way we promote. Please think about the open-source philisophy before to add this kind of thinks. If I want a small game, I install a game, If i want a 100% serious office program it must be 100% serious. You do a fantastic work for the future of the world, congratulations!! Please, don't fall down of so a detail. Best regards, - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] log files for error reporting
Let me know if I should direct this to the developers list instead. Can I PLEASE get some feedback here? I try to cover worth while issues and often get few or no responses... :( Is there any way to make the logging feature of OOo run in a foreground state so I can see everything as it happens? This way I when I or Anyone else send in an error report we can specificaly say. I did this, and the at that moment the log file registered that. In this way, the developers and debug team could have a direct correlation every step of the way if some users want to be generous enough to identify the exact moment in time that something happened. In fact this could be extended even further to run OOo in debug mode which could be ALOT simpler for end users, and not that difficult for developers. It would just involve an Inser tag here kind of command into the logging mechanism where the user simply has a button in the bottom right of the application and when they hit any critical moment in the process they can tell the logger to tag this! and add a comment. This would put in a descriptive block right above or below the command that was either a problem or what the user considered a key point where OOo went foul handling their data or the API went tits-up so to speak. I think the latter option would be a better course of action for end users, but for the geeks and nerds (like me) I KNOW they'll want to pry into the processes. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] log files for error reporting
unless oo.org completely stops, there probably would be a lot of information between the exact moment and user tag. *snip* Actually, when I said process I meant, the user would run through a series of actions. If they do something they think is important they can add a bookmark right at that point. This way the developers could be tipped off that hey. I might have done something right here that cantributes to a later event. Keep it in mind, kind of deal... I didn't really consider it important that there be more or less space between the event, and the time that OOo crashes. Normally users don't create error reports unless behavior becomes consistent. That would just get annoying for them. They'll know what they're looking for. I'm fairly confident this self identifying system could be helpful. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] log files for error reporting
Who knows... I might start a project a on SourceForge for an logging api for OOo and let OTHER developers work on it. Saves me the work LOL. I used to be a wiz with code. Now I can't read notes on sheet paper :|... yikes Rigel On 1/26/06, Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: Let me know if I should direct this to the developers list instead. Can I PLEASE get some feedback here? I try to cover worth while issues and often get few or no responses... :( Is there any way to make the logging feature of OOo run in a foreground state so I can see everything as it happens? This way I when I or Anyone else send in an error report we can specificaly say. I did this, and the at that moment the log file registered that. In this way, the developers and debug team could have a direct correlation every step of the way if some users want to be generous enough to identify the exact moment in time that something happened. This is a topic that was discussed in development also. Sometimes we would love to have some information about what the user actually had done before a crash appeared and add that information to the crash report. There are several different tools in OOo that can track user actions: Undo, Change Tracking and Macro Recording. While the first has by far the best coverage (nearly every user action leaves a trace in the Undo buffer) it is the least specific - it does only tell what was done but not where. The other two are much more specific but OTOH for different reasons have a much smaller coverage. Change Tracking only deals with text and its attributes, the incomplete coverage of the Macro Recorder is caused by bugs (and Draw/Impress lack the recorder anyway). You also have to switch it on and leave it on all the time to use it for crash reports - usually not an option. OK, let's assume we'd go for adding the content of the Undo buffers of all open documents to crash reports. Now we have the problem that unfortunately users might not want to log their actions and get this phoned home. Do you remember the roar when it was revealed that iTunes sends data to a server (let alone all the stories about the evil empire ;-))? This sets a clear limit: you must make sure that no user unintentionally sends out data he doesn't want to be sent so it must be a special explicit action that adds the content of the Undo buffers to the crash report. I'm afraid that most users wouldn't do this even if they didn't see a privacy problem involved, just because each extra action necessary for a feature makes its usage less probable. So currently it could be that the result wouldn't be worth the effort, but perhaps our discussion can reveal some new facts?! BTW: any other logging that could be extended to a full debug mode is not available. If we had a way to precisely log what exactly a user has done to his document you can be sure that our macro recorder would be much better. :-) Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer - OpenOffice.org Application Framework Project Lead Please reply to the list only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a spam sink. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons
On 1/24/06, Robert Derman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: No wonder they call it the golden age :) Rigel Actually the CD's last longest in paper sleeves. This minimizes air movement and reduces oxidization. Storing CD's verticaly typicaly prevents the CD itself from moving around itself. The spindle in the case can over time warp the CD if it's stored horizontaly. Not sure why though. I'll see if I can find a web site :) It seems to me that with a paper sleeve there would be no spindle or tensioned keeper holding the disk in place and constantly putting pressure on the edges of the center hole, therefore stressing the disk and possibly causing air to enter the plated layer causing damaging oxidation. I suspect that due the the differences in composition CD-R may also outlive CD-R/W in archival storage. BTW I have some Scotch reel-to-reel tapes that are well over 50 years old that still play! Perhaps that just says something about mid-century US quality. Rigel On 1/23/06, Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: Burned CDs last longer when they are stored vertically. If you had indeed read my previous email and checked the links I sent, you'd know that already. I read your claim about vertical storage in your previous email. My response then was the same as it is now: WTF? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons
Okay. This message has gotten way off track. I'm changing it CD-Storage and moving it to the social list, if no one minds? No reason to clutter up the discuss list with non OOo related info. Regardless of whether OOo ships CD's, once they get to the consumer, it's out of our hands how they store them really. On 1/24/06, Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/06, Robert Derman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: No wonder they call it the golden age :) Rigel Actually the CD's last longest in paper sleeves. This minimizes air movement and reduces oxidization. Storing CD's verticaly typicaly prevents the CD itself from moving around itself. The spindle in the case can over time warp the CD if it's stored horizontaly. Not sure why though. I'll see if I can find a web site :) It seems to me that with a paper sleeve there would be no spindle or tensioned keeper holding the disk in place and constantly putting pressure on the edges of the center hole, therefore stressing the disk and possibly causing air to enter the plated layer causing damaging oxidation. I suspect that due the the differences in composition CD-R may also outlive CD-R/W in archival storage. BTW I have some Scotch reel-to-reel tapes that are well over 50 years old that still play! Perhaps that just says something about mid-century US quality. Rigel On 1/23/06, Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: Burned CDs last longer when they are stored vertically. If you had indeed read my previous email and checked the links I sent, you'd know that already. I read your claim about vertical storage in your previous email. My response then was the same as it is now: WTF? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] some problems
Before we send this to the api-dev list alexandro. We may want to consider ways of augmenting the present techology. Alot of what is tossed around on the discuss list includes UI. Ultimately it's the UI that's going to be one of the biggest factors for end users. Also the development lists depend on the discuss and users lists to flesh out ideas so they have something they can work with. On the issue of spreadsheet use, I confer on the count of being able to view and edit read only files. I think the simplest way to get around this is to not actually open the real file. But for OOo to recognize it's copy protected, and then create a new version to open in the editor. This would allow the end user to do whatever they like with it, but not be able to save it to the same file name. Sort of like opening a template file, but a template file that can't be over-written. As for the other concerns I'm not familiar with needing to go straight to new features, or buttons. I normaly just expect my mouse to jump to the most common feature or button first. This saves me time. As a solution, the mouse could simply be centered by default in every dialogue box to provide an easy way to find the pointer. Some dialogue boxes in other app's are white. Not sure about all the ones in OOo though. Rigel I am beginner user of openoffice,but I like it and I think is really useful. -- snip -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons
Actually the CD's last longest in paper sleeves. This minimizes air movement and reduces oxidization. Storing CD's verticaly typicaly prevents the CD itself from moving around itself. The spindle in the case can over time warp the CD if it's stored horizontaly. Not sure why though. I'll see if I can find a web site :) Rigel On 1/23/06, Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: Burned CDs last longer when they are stored vertically. If you had indeed read my previous email and checked the links I sent, you'd know that already. I read your claim about vertical storage in your previous email. My response then was the same as it is now: WTF? -- Daniel Kasak IT Developer NUS Consulting Group Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060 T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2 9922 7989 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.nusconsulting.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Archives discuss asleep?
Actually this is not an error. There is a delay in the mail aggregator for OOo. It'll update itself approximately every 24 hours or so. Rigel On 1/19/06, Cor Nouws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joost Andrae wrote: please file an issue to the component www and sub component mailing list regarding this problem. Thanks for you advice. It's #60817 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] missing capabilities
If an OOo geek wants to write a macro for the print one page problem I think that could be translated and integrated into the machine code somewhere. I may forward your e-mail to our development team. On the second request you can use the character the AutoCorrect / Replace feature to create your own spacing style. Just put in a single space, and in the replace space put in whatever number of spaces you need. Bear in mind you'll have to turn it on and off manually. As for the spreadsheet. I couldn't help you there. I don't use it extensively. Rigel On 1/9/06, Nikolaidis Panos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, and congrats for your very good work. I 'm a user of Corel office and I decided to jump to openoffice. As I try to use the writer programme, I found 2 missing characteristics that seem important to me, at least : 1st is that there is not a direct option to print only the current page. I have to select its contents to print only them. I suppose it would be easy to implement this. 2nd is that I cannot find a way to adjust the spacing between words (without affecting the spacing of the letters into words). In Calc, my problem is that it does not have filters to open a quattro pro spreadsheet. I have to save it to excel format and then translate to OO. Keep up the good work ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Separability
Unfortunately at the present time OOo isn't engineered this way, but if you want to head up a project to find your way out of this dilemma you're welcome to. See the developers list for assistance. dev@openoffice.org Rigel On 1/9/06, James E. Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no desire to start a flame war over this issue. The OOo Users list gets a lot of messages of the type, I only want the part of OOo that supplies Word (or Excel, or Access, or PowerPoint etc). functionality. In other words, they are asking for a separable OOo. I was wondering how much of OOo is common to more than one of the applications (Writer/Calc/Base/Impress/etc) and could be supplied as a core module and how much of OOo is unique to each of its applications. I realize that OOo is not currently packaged this way but if the Core module plus any one application module would be significantly smaller than the whole package then it would certainly be nice for users who need to download via a dial up link to have OOo broken up into these component parts. -- Jim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] keynote
Actually Chad, I'm presently using WikidPad for windows:
http://www.jhorman.org/wikidPad/
It would simply be nice if I could integrate this form of linking
into OpneOffice.Org
Something similar to this already exists in Writer, called bookmark,
however this method involves multiple steps. I was looking more at
simply hotlinking between parts of a document, versus creating new
ones.
This would allow the link to any part of the document to be put in any
other part of the document by simply using wiki brackets or some other
convention instead of having to manage a list of unruly bookmarks.
Rigel
On 1/8/06, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 10:22 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Hi,
On 2005-12-03, at 03:51 , Olivier Nyssen wrote:
This project has been stopped by its creator. I think its a very
useful program that maybe could be integrated in OO ?
http://www.tranglos.com/free/keynote.html
Thanks. Hm, the project is interesting. I'll contact them and see if
they'd be interested in working with OOo.
Interesting could this be done in JAVA making one version work for all
OS supported now by OOo?
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Re: [discuss] Office lite
Daniel, has pointed out, as I understand it, that 90% of the office suite sits on a data processing component that allows the application to do its work. The other 10% is skin's for the applications buttons and windows, as well as some exporting functionality. It is this integration that allows for the transfer of images to text documents, to spreadhseets, to the presentation. Since SUN doesn't have direct access to the Windows OS, and since it's written to run on several platforms, they had to write it to be dependant on itself. You can find more specific information if you subscribe to the developers list. Rigel On 1/6/06, Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 1/6/06 1:50 AM Paul wrote: I don't believe that a 'lite' version is on the roadmap... No, at least not on Sun's, afaik. However, there is and has been and will continue to be real interest in the idea. The problem, as I understand it, is architectural. OOo is tightly integrated and it would require a re-architecture of the suite to produce a lite version. But, as I said, there is real interest in this. I get contacted by companies and individuals interested in it all the time. I also think that a re-architecture, if feasible (read: if people can or want to do this) that allows for componentization (so you can start Writer, say, without needing to start the entire application) is equally desirable. /paul Best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] help me!!!!!!!!
Dear Fabio Acosta Barrientos. Below you will find the address to the language component project page. Please use OpenOffice.org's integrated wizard (File Menu - Wizards - Install new dictionaries) to install spell checking dictionaries, hyphenation dictionaries, and thesauri, because these lists may be out of date! http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/spell_dic.html On 1/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! My name is Fabio Acosta. I´m from Costa Rica. This year, I´m starting to use Open Office 2.0. When I download open office, download two version, one in english, and the other in spanish. To the version in english, I download the languagepacked of spanish. I don´t have problems to install the english version. And next I install the language packed. I look that all the instruction are in spanish after to install. But the problem is here. All the documents that I write, all are in spanish. Then, when I check the documents with the spellcheck, the diccionary don´t check the spanish word´s. Okey, I uninstall this version and install the spanish version. And this time, I see that all the instruction are in spanish. But when I check the documents, don´t check the spanish word´s. I don´t know, if it´s correct. But if it´s wrong, And it´s posible to help me , I will thankful. Fabio Acosta Barrientos Costa Rica. - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Calc with graphical view of equations
Hi Daniele :) OpenOffice has a bult in equation editor you can use :) When you're done with the equation you can copy the translated data back to OOo calc :) It's called Formula! Hope that helps Rigel On 12/26/05, Daniele Filippetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, I often use OOo Calc to write and solve complex equations. In some cases it's very hard to check if the formula is written correctly because it's visualized in a text mode. I would love if someone could develop a graphical way to show the expressions. (I prepared a basic picture to express my idea). I know it's something hard, since the formulas may include more than just mathematical equations, like, for example, if expressions, and so on. But, in case of success, it would be a great revolution and a great advantage in front of MS Excel!! Many thanks for your attention, I would appreciate any feedback. Daniele - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Oo Base insert new fields
http://de.openoffice.org/ OpenOffice and Discussion Lists in German / Deutsch http://fr.openoffice.org/ OpneOffice and Discussion Lists in Frencch / Francais Hope that offers a bit of direction to where to start looking :) Rigel On 12/19/05, Jean Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Developpers! impossible to - insert - a new file in the table! we just download the stable version 2 on two different machines, one in french and one in german: the same bug! the small box is really opened column left, by clicking the line -insert new field - the field is always added - at the end - of the column. we need to insert at the right order. this will be of course very important to join tables later and to modify them. we did not found for hours searching by openoffice and by google. please help us thanks hanschen registered -- Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch? NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Well-well-well...
I thought I had settled this the last time guys. Just ignore him :) He'll stop, when he's had enough. Lowers clutter on the list too. Rigel On 12/18/05, Steve Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee there's *another* e-mail address to add to my killfile. I may not agree with much of anything Chad/Rod post, but I am getting tired of the anti-Chad tirades. SJK on 12/18/05 18:29 'Roger Markus' wrote: Hmm... Chad and Rod pouring Microsoft propaganda into the list again! (See: Norwegian article on school software licensing) Why are we not surprised? Chad - get a life and/or quit working for Microsoft. Rod - open your eyes and see the light of day! Microsoft is an illegal corporation that has caused massive damage to the computer industry. If they are not stopped, or at least held in check, then OpenOffice is doomed. Is that your goal? To see OpenOffice destroyed? You will likely huff and puff and profess your substantial contributions to OpenOffice - but in writing propaganda for Microsoft, your actions are clearly towards the destruction of OpenOffice. Please refrain from doing this... or maybe you can join a Go Microsoft list and write Microsoft propaganda that is well received by a sheep readership. RM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OOo2 for OS X
Err... You could try using the feedback tab... http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/ On 12/15/05, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the OpenOffice.org download page at Apple.com, I see that it was last updated in 2004 and contains only version 1.1.2: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/openoffice.html Who should I contact to get that fixed? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason's Why Part-4 (of 4)
On 12/13/05, Cor Nouws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No doubt that it helps OOo, if the advantages in sence of honust open are communicated well. And it is possible and useful to show the difference with MS. However, that has to be done without putting people off, becoming unpolite or making other marketing-mistakes. Many of the contributions I see here, regardless they are true or not, are not the way to bring that message to the public. This is not meant as critisism. I do not know what hase been discussed on the marketing-list the past years, but to me that's the right place for fine-tuning this idea. Greetings, Cor Has anyone considered yet the virtuous approach to this debacle and simply not responding to what you deem as being irrelevant? You can comment, but at this moment this has become a flame war, and I'm not sure this is condusive to anyone on this list, or the OpenOffice.org project in general. Ahem. Have to type it correctly. Mmhmm. If anyone remember's their elementary school years, if you feed a troll, they'll keep looking for more. I do not feel that any of us, except maybe for Daniel, and only because he's diffused so many flame wars, is really in a position to criticize anyone else. So a post pro, or against Microsoft gets on the list. And does this matter? Not significantly. An individual can only speak one sided for a period of time before they will either get bored, or get the hint that No one's listening, or wants to hear it. Responding with hostility will only strengthen their resolve, and also make them vindictive for that matter. Stop trying to moderate others on this list, and let us start moderating ourselves instead. Everything else will come out in the wash. Rigel
Re: [discuss] Call For Moderation
On 12/11/05, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun December 11 2005 06:17, Paul wrote: I personally think this is a stupid idea. +2 -- Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Revision History
Why are we looking for ways to reduce file size? Why would we want to save the whole file, and not just the changes to that file? It seems some very powerful wiki software out there, has achieved this quite nicely. I think by looking for ways to get around having to re-engineer part of the version handling, we are also digging ourselves into a bigger hole down the road. Every other software project that has sidestepped engineering problems in the past has ended up causing themselves more grief later. Rigel On 11/12/05, Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2005/11/12, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip What would be more reasonable would be a plug-in interface to a CM tool, such as CVS, or Subversion. I agree. I don't want my documents to grow indefinitely, And I don't want to export all versions of my documents. But can Subversion handle OpenDocuments in a good way? From another thread: 2005/11/10, Jim Higson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a bunch of sxw files in a subversion repository (documentation for an Open Source project). It'd be nice if the repo didn't have to treat them as binary so it could do merge operations when several people make minor changes. Is it possible to save in an uncompressed XML format? Is this the only solution? Being forced to check in directory trees for each document seems cumbersome. Why shouldn't the version control systems be able to handle zipped files directly? If they just know that the files are compressed, they ought to be able to handle differences between document versions as efficient as if the files were pure text. OTOH, I don't want to see the differences in the xml. I want the differences to be visible in Writer. Which result in: 2005/11/12, G. Roderick Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmm, does File Versions not fill your requirements? I think it should do the job. A bit of both would be to use subversion as is, and then use a diff-program that produce the same result as I expect File Versions to produce. Is there such a diff function included in OOo? Or does another OpenDocument diff utility exist? I'm sorry for being too verbose. /$ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] CNET - OpenDocument format gathers steam
*Big guns in the software industry are massing behind OpenDocument as government customers show more interest in alternatives to Microsoft's desktop software.* ** http://news.com.com/OpenDocument+format+gathers+steam/2100-7344_3-5942913.html?tag=carsl Rigel
[discuss] Revision History
One thing I noticed missing recently is a revision history for OpenOffice documents. This may seem kind of ridiculous, but sometimes people work for a long time on some documents, and they may at some point think. ' OMG! I wish I had that back! *sigh* '... Perhaps a Revision History could be one thing to be considered in the 3.0version of the software. Not only that, but a person could track their own progress on a project, and choose to fish out anything pertinent that previosly didn't fit, or has changed in relevance. Rigel
Re: [discuss] a more complete office suite
Maybe then, Jonathan, we should re-name it to a Desktop Publishing, suite, instead of an Office Suite. Office suit implies everything you would use commonly ever day in your office. An office suite typicaly includes e-mail, an address book, and schedule, as well as a project management application, which hasn't been mentioned. Rigel On 11/7/05, Jonathon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad wrote: Why? - WHY? Because it makes *SENSE* to, that's why. It makes absolutely no sense to include an email client in an office suite. spell-checker should draw from the same list of words. That is what elm is for. It makes sense that since email is mostly words, and text documents are mostly words, the interface should be similiar, if not identical. But email and docuemtns are two completly different crittters. They might have words in common, but that is _all_ they have in common. It makes much more sense for OOo to be functionally equivalent to a Dekstop Publishing Program, than to be functinally equivalent to an email client. contact information (Names, emails, addresses, phone numbers, birthdays, relationships, Those datapoints belong in a databse. How many email client can reaed a _true_ database --- something thaty can be created and edited using SQL? For these, and I am sure dozens of other reasons, How many email clients can read MySQL, Oracle, FireBird, SQLite or similar databases? it makes sense to have an email client as a part of your office suite, whether that suite is How can it make sense to include something, which is incapable of using the tools it _needs_ to perform its function? xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes
I have tried writely over broadband cable at 5 Mbps, and it's pretty darn fast! Once it loads the interface, the actual back and forth data transfer is minimal. Everything happens localy on your machine until you tell it to save the document. If you click the special characters button, it gets the table ONCE, and then it accesses the cache every other time. I find it to be very well done. But watch out for the pop-ups. They're not ads. Just half their functions come up in other windows. Kind of annoying. Rigel On 11/9/05, Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: On 11/9/05, Alex Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think writely.com http://writely.com http://writely.com or windows live or office live will be replacing OOo in my office any time soon. I know that you can speculate that it might, but it won't. We like having our software run locally and having our data local, not on someones server somewhere in internetland. Just imagine someone you don't know filtering through your company data without your knowledge. It could happen if you give someone else control over your data. No, it wouldn't be a good idea for a businesses. But for the home users market, and for the student market, it would be a good idea. -- - Chad Smith Personally, I can't imagine using an office suite over the Internet. Unless I was hooked up over really fast, fat, pipes all the way, the delay would drive me nuts. Maybe in a University environment over a LAN that had a multi-Gbps ISP hookup, but not over any normal home hook-up, not even broadband. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Trademarks and patents :-(
OMG! LMFAO(that isn't patented right?) This is hilarious!! The fair use act will have this injunction tossed out in a heart-beat. Unless of course this was a joke, and in that case, great! Otherwise, wow! Someone sure is delusional. What do you guys think? Do you think people will start using the frown emoticon en mass just to stick his finger up his ass? Rigel On 11/4/05, RobinH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a little warning: http://www.despair.com/demotivators/frownonthis.html Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Dynamic document switching (was openoffice available as an extension for firefox)
Nagarjunam Kancharla wrote: I was just thinking, wouldn't it be great if each tool of openoffice (writer, impress, math, draw) are available individually as an extension of firefox and available as one of the tabs. Its like you open the writer tab, impress tab, draw tab etc. When the user clicks on the tab, all the toolbars change to match the tab selected. When I read this post, my first thought was It would be silly to create extensions of OOo for Firefox. Then about 2 seconds later, I had the idea of taking the exact same approach and integrating into OOo itself, so you Open OOo, and you have tabs that you can click, that will take you immediately to writer, calc, impress, draw, base, etc etc... Since most of each component runs off the same 90% of code, it shouldn't be difficult for OOo, to simply juggle one temporary document for each different app, and you could just switch back and forth, and, a little button on the right could say Create Project, and all the files would be tied by a single Master Document, rendering all the changes combined. Neat, eh? *grin* Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] This is why we need a slim OOo
Alexandro Colorado wrote: MIT want to release a cheap $100 laptop. http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ They will distribute it with FLOSS including linux... the only way to make it productive is to keep OpenOffice.org working under less than 64MB ram at a good speed. Poop. They aren't available for purchase. But hey. That's bus. You charge whatever the market will bear. And our economy will in their view, bear much more. Oh well Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenDocument standard in Massachussets
Hey that's great :) And that other person had a point when they respodned with read it carefuly. W3C standards are rather... flexible to say the least. Microsoft could weasel their way out of it yet. But hooray! all the same :D Rigel M. Fioretti wrote: Hooray! http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2005083102426NWCYPB Ciao, Marco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: DB Rev 1
Is there a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, for this kind of thing? Or
is it a discussion item and I'm confused?
Rigel
Jonathan Lang wrote:
James E. Lang wrote:
Route Database (Proposed Revision 1)
Overview: A route list will be a set of Transitions and Segments alternating
with Customers associated with the Segments.
Table Master
Printer (color | black)
Why do you need a DB Table for this?
Table: Routes
Route (e.g.: 26 | 28)
{key}
Start (Transitions::Index)
Good.
Table: Transitions
Index (To be defined)
{key}
FromSegment (nul | Segments::Index)
{nul only if referenced by Routes::Start}
FromSegmentDirection (Ascending | Descending)
ToSegment (nul | Segments::Index)
{nul only if end of static route}
ToSegmentDirection (Ascending | Descending)
Direction (nul | Left | Right | Straight | U-Turn | Cross)
{nul and Cross are used only if the street name remains unchanged}
{Straight is used only if the street name changes}
Modifier (nul | Bear | Hard)
{i.e. Bear Left or Hard Right etc.}
OK.
Table: Segments
Index (To be defined)
{key}
StreetName (e.g.: Brentwood | Abbeywood)
StreetPrefix (e.g.: nul | N | E | W)
StreetSuffix (e.g.: nul | Av | Cir)
EvenSide (Left | Right)
{The next two fields are needed to compute ordinals in reverse}
EvenCount (e.g. nul | 0 | 2 | 25)
OddCount (e.g. nul | 0 | 2 | 25)
Perhaps change to LastOrdinalEven and LastOrdinalOdd?
Length (nul | Short | Medium | Long | VeryLong)
{Useful for dynamic routing}
{e.g. Short = 1, Medium = 3, Long = 6, VeryLong = 20}
{I don't like the next four fields but have not found a better way to do it}
FromRemarkIn (e.g.: nul | Gate Code: #9630 | Use key to enter building)
FromRemarkOut (e.g.: nul | Gate Code: #9630)
ToRemarkIn (e.g.: nul | Gate Code: #9630)
ToRemarkOut (e.g.: nul | Gate Code: #9630)
Agreed. Please elaborate on when each of these would be used.
Add:
NextTransition (e.g.: nul | Transitions::Index where
Transitions::FromSegment == Index)
{nul if dynamically assigned}
Table: Customers
Index (To be defined)
{key}
Number (e.g.: 2604 | 2652)
Unit (e.g.: nul | A)
StreetName (e.g.: nul | Brentwood | Abbeywood)
{nul means look at Segments for this info}
StreetPrefix (e.g.: nul | N | E | W)
StreetSuffix (e.g.: nul | Av | Cir)
Segment (Segments::Index)
SideOverride (nul | Left | Right)
Schedule (Schedule::Index)
Status ( Active | Stopped)
Ordinal (e.g.: nul | 1 | 5 | 19 | Last | Corner)
Bag (Yes | No)
Porch (Yes | No)
Handicapped (Yes | No)
SatSunonMon (Yes | No)
Instruct (e.g.: nul | Del to garage door)
Landmark (e.g.: nul | Green Fish MB | Past St Light)
Sequence (e.g.: 7740) {from Arden's database}
Order
{used for sorting within a segment}
{not quite the same as Customers::Sequence}
Also not quite the same thing as Ordinal. :)
Looks good.
Table: Schedule
Index {Key} (e.g.: 7DY | FSS | JJL | EX.)
Display (e.g.: | FSS | JJL | EX.)
Publication (e.g.: LA Times | Jewish Journal)
Mon (Yes | No)
Tue (Yes | No)
Wed (Yes | No)
Thu (Yes | No)
Fri (Yes | No)
Sat (Yes | No)
Sun (Yes | No)
Color (e.g.: red)
As before, no problems here.
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Re: [discuss] Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings
Please help me to understand how over the course of 24 hours, we can have 38 messages, all dedicated to a single thread on an argument about replying to e-mails of users not on the list? I still don't understand why we are arguing about the philosophy of the act, when this is a technical list. It would help everyone alot more if we looked at the technicalities of the situation, and established three questions. Is the behavior achieving a logical end? Does the ends justify the means? Is this a matter of conduct inhibiting or promoting the mission statement of OOo? If we can figure those out, hopefuly we can overcome the hurdle of attitudes and move onto analyzing the technical barriers that prevent us from becoming a more efficient technical facility on CollabNet, and in the SUN corporate schema. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings
M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 12:21:04 PM -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As you are not subscribed, you may have missed this post. Peter (and all the others who lately have re-sent messages for the same reason, that's why I'm posting here), as we *are* duly subscribed, we had *not* missed that post, and the three others you re-sent in short sequence. I understand that, due to the amount of traffic here, casual visitors may not subscribe, just shot questions (**), and I also thank all you volunteers for your work, but please don't make traffic even higher. Thanks, MarcoWilliam W. Austin wrote On 2005-07-23 00:12:27, Vaso Vukotic wrote: Dear Open Office.org Community, (**) To tell the truth no, I still don't understand why non subscribers are allowed to post to this address, and I've said it several times, but until this doesn't change OK, let's cope with it in the least intrusive way... Before I was subscribed to the list... Some time ago now, I never failed in receiving responses to my answers? :) And when someone re-posted because I may not have gotten it I got that response too... The OOo mailer daemon has never had difficulty sending me any mail for lists I haven't been subscribed too, if that e-mail was a reply to my own... Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Conversions for Microsoft Works Format
Maybe the fellow is simply still learning about the OOo mailing lists, and decided to re-post his request to a more appropriate list, as Users tends to be for support, versus discussion... :) Rigel Paul wrote: You asked the same question on a different email list - cross posting is not encouraged. Have a look at the answer on the users forum. Reply to the list if issue still persists... /paul On 7/19/05, gp40mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning. I am asking that the developers of OpenOffice integrate a file conversion into OpenOffice for Microsoft Works. No one even has a conversion program available and if there is one it cost more then Works. I hope some one is listening as this would greatly enhance the products usability and popularity. I use it all the time but could use the conversion for WKS and WPS files created by Works. Thank you. Larry Brown, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. Rigel I agree but we need the massiveness, I have a wiki for my local LUG and it went well until people had too many tools and couldn't keep up. Right now we are having forums, wikis, mailing list, chat rooms, cms, and a lot of fragmentation is going on. OOoAuthor is the same thing, volunteers from OOoAuthors is equal to the concept of everyone building content and providing content. Same as the Knowldege Base, even OOoAuthors have blogs and the search functionalities of Plone are very advanced simply because they are based in Python which is a language who excelently handle strings (text). My advise is to really dig into OOoAuthors and see if this is what you were talking about and what difference u think wiki will provide. Hi alexandro. One of my links was wrong, and so I'll update it here. * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://wikicities.com/wiki/Wikicities not sure why that didn't paste properly the first time. Anyway. I'll go look at OOo Authors, and if you like, you can follow that link. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Daniel Carrera wrote: Rigel wrote: I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. We have 42 chapters published for OOo v1 and 46 for OOo v2. How many more do you need before you can call them ready to be published? Cheers, Daniel. Err... Daniel? I didn't mean to be offensive... It was... Just a thought Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Text Color Changing in Writer
Zachary Barnett wrote: Is there a way to change text color that does not involve highlighting already-typed text? If this feature is not already available, it might be something that could make typing multi-colored text in documents easier. Microsoft Word has a feature like this that enables one to instantly change the color of all text typed from the cursor from that point on by simply clicking the color one wants. You don't have to highlight text to change color, although it is an option. I apologize if this feature is already present (if so, please inform me on how to use it), but I have noticed that when I have to type documents quickly (taking notes at a lecture, for example), I simply don't have time to change text color by highlighting it, then choosing the color. But it is not a problem to simply mouse over to the color panel, click the color I want, then keep typing in the new color. On the toolbar at the top, you have the option of switching the text foreground, and background. The options will be on your format toolbar. If you are using a resoultion of 640 x 480 you may need to use the double arrow at the end to scroll down the rest of the toolbar, but the selection pallete is there nonetheless. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Mischievous [Users]
Pierre wrote: G'day OOo folks, I've been reading through recent posts in users@openoffice.org Some seem a little mischievous, i.e. I wonder if they are from genuine frustrated users or attempts to discredit the OOo effort? And how much help should the group offer? For example there is a thread from one user who has difficulties navigating directories from within a DOS (cmd) shell. From the examples being given the syntax used seems wrong. Should the group be offering to help with basic command line usage? How long is a piece of string? g A piece of string is as long as it has been cut, or woven. Heck, if it gets stretched or soaked, it might get longer or shorter. Perhaps paste that into the feedback for the user :P Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] oooauthors.org
Daniel, the link doesn't work for me either. Mozilla FireFox 1.0.4 gave up, and said it couldn't resolve the domain, but it did find the provider.. John Batt wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: Yay! Welcome aboard! Yes, we could definitely use a hand. This is what you should do next: 1) Join the authors mailing list (as I wrote earlier). 2) Make a login at the Authors website: http://oooauthors.org 3) Send an email to the list saying hi and introducing yourself. Give us your Authors username and say that you'd like the author role. This means that you'll be able to add/remove/edit files on the site. After that we'll show you what to do next. It's not very hard. I'll happily guide you through your first taslk (which will be reviewing a chapter you find interesting). I tried to go to the OOoAuthors website using the link above, through typing it in myself, and by going through Google and all I get is the following: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request /GET / http://oooauthors.org//. Reason: *Error reading from remote server* Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at oooauthors.org Port 80 What is wrong with the website? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice
I was reading the previous post, and decided to do some experimenting with page styles and discovered that to my disbelief, OOo can't seem to do automatic page number using fields, that will print out. Is there any way to implement this? Am I missing it? Can it be added into version #3? Rigel Paul wrote: So I'd better copy them in... /paul On 7/5/05, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question is probably better for our users list. You can insert page numbers which are then incremented automatically. They are best to be inserted into the headers/footers of the document. // create a footer insert footer default // insert a page number field insert fields page number Have fun. Reply to the list if you have any further queries. /paul On 7/4/05, Ocie K. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really love your software. i use it to create website for person benefit. I also enjoy the way it will convert my writings into pdf files with such ease. So, when i ask this question, don't think i am in any way shape, form or fashion condemning your software. I was just wondering when you're going to program it so it can automatically insert page numbers without my having to manually do it one page at a time. However, if it already has this capability, i am truely worry for writing this email. Yet, i still would love to hear how one my as of yet do this inside open office. Again, thank you for your response. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Help with graphic borders
Hello Pieter Badonhorst. This is not an automated response BUT. If you want to add a border, simply right click teh object in draw, and select line, which will probably be at the top of the context menu, and you'll be able to define whatever you want to from there. The line function simply defines the perimeter of whatever you've drawn on screen. You can also multiple select items and change them at the same time. Remember however that any line settings that they had individualy will be otherwise deleted as well. Rigel On 6/17/05, Pieter Badenhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please help: I can't find a border icon. I need to put borders / outlines around graphics in draw, and can't find the option under the format menu or anywhere else. Thanks Pieter
Re: [discuss] Autosave issue.
Hi Terry. You can download version 1.14 from the OpenOffice.Orghttp://OpenOffice.Orgweb site. Go nuts :) Rigel On 6/9/05, Terry Wallwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My name is Terry Wallwork and I've been using OpenOffice since when it was Star Office and it's great. Im currently using OpenOffice 1.1.2 (the one that came as standard with Fedora Core 3). I do a lot of diagramming using the Open Draw program and they can be very large and complicated diagrams which as a consequence can take OpenOffice A while to save. I have noticed once or twice that when OpenOffice is in the middle of saving that if my autosave time period expires while im currently in the middle of saving it will stop my current save and ask me if i want to save! I have to click cancel and it carries on saving. It's not a really big problem and clicking cancel solves it but it seems silly that it doesnt first check if im not already saving the document before asking me in autosave if it should save my document. Ps. if this is fixed already sorry. Your Terry Wallwork (OpenOffice user and loving it) __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow to Open Source
for all the idealism in the post, I will simply comment that MicroSoft would only benefit themselves. They aren't around to benefit anyone else. Spyglass model or otherwise, they make more profit lieing cheating and stealing then by excercising integrity. My two cents. Rigel On 6/6/05, Gary Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eWeek has published a series of articles covering the recent anti trust settlement between Microsoft and the European Union. To me the most interesting piece is an article titled, Microsoft's EU Proposal a Blow to Open Source. The article can be found at: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824675,00.asp Under the current terms of the Microsoft proposal, the author of the article, Matthew Broersma has got it right. It's an enormous blow to Open Source. Measures imposed on Microsoft by the European Commission last year were meant to restore competition in the workgroup server market. Microsoft was forced to come up with a means of disclosing important protocols and interfaces that connect the MS desktop productivity environment to MS servers and MS devices. The plan Microsoft came up with is a RAND (Reasonable and Non Discriminatory) license for access to these communications and connectivity protocols and interfaces. Price and licensing restrictions effectively excludes Open Source access. Even though Open Source alternatives are the only meaningful competition left, the Microsoft juggernaut having crushed any and all profit oriented corporate efforts, the European Commission is nevertheless at a loss to do anything other than accept this measure of Redmond magnanimity. But fear not. There is a solution, which, as measure of our own magnanimity, i'll call the Spyglass Model of Fair Access and Licensing. The model attempts to provide some structure and meaning to the meaningless RAND. What's reasonable and non discriminatory to Microsoft turns out to be a catch-22 highway to oblivion for everyone else. To be reasonable we need to have a solid marker, reflecting the marketplace, against which access rights to communications essentials can be reasonably distributed. Let me try to explain. Clearly we need a solution to the problem of providing fair and equitable access to these critically important interfaces and protocols. Without access there can be no open market interoperability worth a competitive damn. Lucky for us that Microsoft has already come up with a solution that has worked very well for them in the past, and if applied to the current situation would preserve the competitiveness of open source alternatives. Let's call it the Spyglass Model. Remember Spyglass? Faced with the prospect of the Netscape Browser totally taking over the Internet, and having no expertise to write their own response, Microsoft turned to Mosaic Browser expert Spyglass. The deal was simple. Spyglass writes a competitive browser for Microsoft, and Microsoft pays them a percentage of every browser sold. A win win for everyone. Microsoft then proceeded to bolt the Spyglass browser into every Windows distro. Since there was no break down of the Windows bundle into specific charges for specific components like the browser, there was no requirement to reimburse Spyglass for Herculean effort in providing Microsoft with a competitive browser. Funny how MS Office was handled differently, but nevertheless managed to ship bundled with most distributions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think the EU can solve the interoperability problems between MS desktops and competitive servers and services by following the Spyglass model and putting some structure to the RAND licensing model Microsoft has proposed. Let competitors needing totally open, clear and transparent access to these critically important protocols and interfaces pay Microsoft according to what they charge for components utilizing these interfaces in their distributions. Let the regulators audit Microsoft to make certain they provide all interfaces and protocols. It's been more than a year since Microsoft came to similar terms with the USA Courts regarding competitive access rights to the same interfaces and protocols. Since then only seven companies have come up with the booty to purchase MS RAND access rights. And they did so with no guarantee that the interfaces and protocols they were provided with represented the whole enchilada. For all these seven know, they could have purchased themselves into second class competitiveship for aeon's to come. The Microsoft way has long been to provide one set of protocols and interfaces to third parties, and reserve another, secret and enhanced set for themselves. Why should they give up a proven, battle tested business practice guaranteed to fill the coffers? The MS desktop productivity environment has a 93% plus market dominance. What server, device or Internet service doesn't need access
Re: [discuss] Re: XML patent hahaha :)
What is this? I pasted in your PGP signature it shows up as junk in G-Mail... Rigel Cheers, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCob/N64+f0AXUe+4RAtYwAJ9zwFJ2g9ZnBSugkPaIeWF2h/JgYQCgkjhu Ds+Dd9B5fDNC6+xUULTmYU0= =iGJL -END PGP SIGNATURE- On 6/4/05, Jonathan Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 En/La Wesley Parish ha escrit, a 03/06/05 11:22: | Oh god, that is hilarious! Copying and barefacedly lying about it are the | most significant innovations across any industry? I can see where South | Park got a lot of its inspiration from! | There's some prior art on the subject of M$ imitating humour that even predates South Park. Remember Peter Cook in the patent office trying to register the plig? It surely goes back to the 60's. Have a listen and a laugh. http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/html/discography.htm Cheers, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCob/N64+f0AXUe+4RAtYwAJ9zwFJ2g9ZnBSugkPaIeWF2h/JgYQCgkjhu Ds+Dd9B5fDNC6+xUULTmYU0= =iGJL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] MS To Make Office Files More Net Friendly - XML - Office 12
as long as the foundation of the file format remains the same they can say they've used the same format. That's Rich Text Format. It changed names, but that doesn't mean the under-lieing technology is different. The Microsoft Document Format, still relies on OLE and TTF standards. Just like it ever was. Just like it ever was Rigel On 6/2/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: quote We've used the same binary file formats from Office 97 through Office 2003, says Chris Capossela, a corporate VP in Microsoft's information worker group. /quote Told ya the files were the same from 97-today... Everyone knows that Microsoft *claims* that the format is the same. But there's still no explanation of different file sizes, or the fact that a file made in Office 2000 won't open well on Office 97 or a file in Office XP will be gibberish on Office 97 (I've witnessed this myself). Maybe MS uses a conveniently flexible definition of the same format :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] autoupdate number2word
Well before this goes to the developer community I would also like to
present a technical alternative to using recursive if then statements.
Just accept this as technical jibberish.
main
{
The recursive if then statements can be replaced by a series of
for-next(case else) statements that will radicaly increase speed of
execution and eliminate clutter in the source.
}
Rigel
On 5/21/05, Miguel Mayol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm expecting OO2beta in spanish, I do use 1.4 spanish version, and
I've
installed the english version, but I cannot share this with my friends
becouse of their unknowledgement of english.
I would like an autoupdate tool, as many programs an OSs have, instead
of
knowing upgrades becouse of my web visits or reading some news.
LOOK FOR UPDATES (with a configuration option, weekly, dayly, always at
start, at start if last time was more than XX days, etc.)
Other function for Calc is NUMBER2WORD if you want to put some result
in
words, as is necessary in some bills (it depends of laws) or becouse you
want to do it would be vey useful, of course it would be different for each
language, but, once programmed (very easy with recursive if - thens, I did
it in a spreadsheet, but unfortunately I do not know how to program if-then
sentences in c++, but I can learn if nobody can do it soon)
Last, but not least, I use to be teacher of MS Office, and at the end I
teach OpenOffice to the advanced pupils, It would be very useful a
collection of exercises that would teach step by step the features of each
module. I teach this way MS Office and Open Office in Spanish, If OO2 in
spanish is ready in 3 weeks or less I can make this exercises for my next
(1 month) course and share it with the world comunity.
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Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Andrew. Please refer to the archive for this thread on the OOo discuss web site, in the message archives. The confusion has long since been resolved, at least as far as I'm concerned. Rigel On 5/22/05, Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: He _will_ have to upgrade. No ifs, ands, or buts,. MSO97 can not correctly read files created by MSO98, MSOXP, MSO2003. There are some _major_ differences in the file formt between MSO97, and MSOXP. I don't know. I have Word 97 on this machine, and it reads everything I get from the BBC, who are several versions more advanced. -- Andrew Brown The email in the header does not work. Contact details and possibly useful macros from http://www.darwinwars.com/lunatic/bugs/oo_macros.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Access Help from QuickStarter
I will repeat myself, again. Sir. Your idea to add access to help and to options from the quickstarter I think is a novelle idea, and will add my un-official vote to that feature. Having access to the help and options from the quickstarter would eliminate the need to load a full OOo component just to get some info or change a setting. Peter. I can see why most ideas are useful in their own respects. But I suppose we can only put ourselves in our own shoes, and not anyone elses. Or so one woudl be lead to believe Rigel On 5/21/05, Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caleb Marcus wrote: I'd like to be able to access Help and Options from the QuickStarter. Any thoughts? I don't see why this would be useful? -- Peter Kupfer -- Using OOo since 'OO4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to help? http://www.oooauthors.org For OOo tips: http://openoffice.peschtra.com/tips/ooo_tips_tricks.html To order OOo: http://openoffice.peschtra.com/distro/ooo_distro.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Find stuff! On the OOo servers? Hey! Google it!
Google Desktop Search now has a heck of alot of functionality. You can practicaly search your entire computer the way you search the internet, and the web, including meta-data and file handles. One of the new plugins for GDS(Google Desktop Search) is that you can add on a DNKA web server plugin, which actualy enables you to create a web server, that will behave just like a google search page. I presently use this technology on my computer and am excited to see how it works out when searching from elsewhere. Most of the time I get results back in under a second, and I do not need to worry about organizing my files by hand, or creating web directories if I need to provide files online. With Google's click and go functionality it records each file added to or created in the folders you choose to monitor, and adds them to the index automaticaly. Could this be a viable option for providing on the fly access to new content on one of the OOo servers, that hasn't been added to the web site yet? Or provide independant searching if some users want to get new related content out into the community? Thoughts? Ideas? Does SUN already have a solution that can be implemented this way? Would it be possible to use that instead? Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Access Help from QuickStarter
If I'm looking for help on OpenOffice, but I don't desire to go through the process of loading Writer, or Calc, I may want to access the help for those from the startup menu. I may also want to alter options in context for any of the OOo components from the quickstarter. This would allow me to alter the way the program behaves, by changing settings in context to the specific OOo component. Lastly. I didn't imply your inability to do anything. I pointed out a broad possibility that people in general may have difficulty stepping out of their circumstances. And as for not caring, I suppose that's just the stance you take. Dis-interest has a habit of forming mis-understanding on a subject, and that's okay too. Rigel On 5/21/05, Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel -- I resent the implication that I can't put myself into other people's shoes. I just didn't know why it would be useful. I can't think of a whole lot of situations I would want to read help that I wasn't using OOo. Can you elaborate as to when this might be useful. I don't really care if this feature is implemented, it won't hurt me, I was just curious. Thanks, Peter Rigel wrote: I will repeat myself, again. Sir. Your idea to add access to help and to options from the quickstarter I think is a novelle idea, and will add my un-official vote to that feature. Having access to the help and options from the quickstarter would eliminate the need to load a full OOo component just to get some info or change a setting. Peter. I can see why most ideas are useful in their own respects. But I suppose we can only put ourselves in our own shoes, and not anyone elses. Or so one woudl be lead to believe Rigel On 5/21/05, Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caleb Marcus wrote: I'd like to be able to access Help and Options from the QuickStarter. Any thoughts? I don't see why this would be useful? -- Peter Kupfer -- Using OOo since 'OO4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to help? http://www.oooauthors.org For OOo tips: http://openoffice.peschtra.com/tips/ooo_tips_tricks.html To order OOo: http://openoffice.peschtra.com/distro/ooo_distro.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO2 Beta Impress Problem
Actualy the latest version is 1.9.104, not 1.9.101 Rigel On 5/19/05, Caleb Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a problem. It's simply a limitation of OOo. Motion in OOo slideshows is jerky, I too hope that they will fix it soon. However, you aren't using the latest version. The latest version is 1.9.101. Steven Harzmann wrote: Hello OpenOffice.org Team, I have downloaded the german version 1.9.79 (OpenOffice2 Beta). After testing it for a wile i got faced with a kind of problem within the OO2-modul Impress. Description of problem: A loaded original MS PowerPoint presentation as well as a presentation created by Impress (OpenOffice 2 Beta), caused an disturbing effect while doing the slideshow. The animated (the motion) sliding in of text- and graphicsparts where buckling, or lagging. There was no smooth or fluent motion. No matter from wich side the textparts moved in. Further more the longer the presentation is, the harder this effekt appear. It seemed to me that Impress had problems by processing the slideshow. Actions: I tried to fix that effect by altering different values in the memory management within the OpenOffice2 options. All settings i tried were ineffective, the slideshow is stil lagging. However starting the same presentation files with MS PowerPoint the problem was gone. By the way my operating system is windows xp. So i wondered if there is any similar problem known or is it just a setup thing? I know that this version of OpenOffice is not finished yet, but i thought you might be interested in my observations. I hope Impress will work properly some day. I realy like the whole package! Thx anyway, Steven H. PS: Is there any release date for the final version 2 yet -- Caleb Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Okay. I am going to set a particular record straight here. Chad. You're right, and you're wrong. Jonathon. You're right, and you're... Sort of wrong. A: Microsoft Word / Spreadsheet / and OLE formats are based on a series of TTF font conventions and RTF(Rich Text Format) conventions B: Microsoft Writer uses RTF 3.0 C: Microsoft Windows Word 97 uses RTF 3.0 Word 98 uses RTF 3.5 Word 2000 uses a fully fledged version of RTF 4.0 but that was a widespread alteration to the spreadsheet handles and formulas. Forget opening a 2000 spreadsheet in Writer or Word 97 E: Office XP uses a new propriety format that's not called RTF 5.0. Now it's called MSD, which is an chute from RTF, and backwardly compatible with all previous conventions but pathetic at loading old Word paragraph, footer, header, biblio, and other meta data that was so elegantly incorporated into 2000 / 97 D: Office 2003 is entirely backward compatible with XP, except that it's not at all compatible with Office XP. On the one hand, everything will display fine, but don't try to print, unless you have a limitless supply of paper. Your printer driver's all need to be upgraded... Rigel On 5/20/05, Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even my copy of MS Word has 97-2001 as a single file format. (It *is* Office 2001, so 2003 and 2004 aren't included since they didn't exist when the dialog box was writen. On 5/20/05, Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathon Blake wrote: Chad wrote: he will *HAVE TO* up grade. When a MSO 97 or 98 user comes across a MS Word 2004 file, a .doc, he double clicks on it, and it opens without a hitch. He does not *HAVE TO* upgrade. He _will_ have to upgrade. No ifs, ands, or buts,. MSO97 can not correctly read files created by MSO98, MSOXP, MSO2003. There are some _major_ differences in the file formt between MSO97, and MSOXP. I'm curious then why the OOo Open and Save As dialogs lists Word 97/2000/XP as one format. Whatever differences there are can't be *that* major. MSO users from 97 on up can interact with MSO user from 97 on up backwards and forwards without any add-ons or special tools So long as they have the same version of MSO as the document was created on. Or newer, or somewhere in the 97/2000/XP range. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -Chad Smith *G-Mail ROCKS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
You're Welcome Steven. I do my best :)... btw: Microsoft Writer, shouldn't be confused with OOo writer... MS Writer was the old name for WordPad. Rigel On 5/20/05, Jonathon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve wrote: Can we put this one to bed now. Please? I'm going to suggest that Rigel's answer be put in FAQ, as part of the explanation of why OOo is not 100% compatible with MSO. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
what things are those Johnathon that can be done with 1.13 but can't be done since then? Rigel On 5/19/05, Jonathon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no migration in OOo. There is a migration from 1.1.x to 2.0. The question is whether or not the migration is cost-effective. [Actually, there also is a migration between 1.1.2 and 1.1.3, and 1.1.3 and 1.1.4. In retrospect, for me, it was cost effective to migrate from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 ZA. It was not cost-effective for me to migrate from 1.1.3 ZA to 1.1.4 US, nor to 1.9.96 US.] OOo 1.1.n and OOo 2.0 basically use the same format, and it is documented, and access to the data does not necessitates OOo itself. a) The default format of 1.1.x and 2.x are different. b) The default setup for 1.1.x and 2.0x are different. c) There are things that one can do with 1.1.3 ZA that not only are not available, but SUN is adamant will never be available in another version of OOo. Features that, if omitted in 2.0 should be treated as Priority 1 bug fixes, because they cripple the functionality of OOo 2.0. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: pedanting
Shouldn't this really be moved over to the social list? How does the conversation of how to use the word obsolete pertain the development of OpenOffice or any part of OpenOffice? Rigel On 5/19/05, Detlef Grittner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fun discussion. I still think to obsolete something sounds ugly whatever the dictionaries say. Even in the USA. (Strine I cannot speak for - or even speak) Adrian But: obsolete stems from Latin obsoletus and this comes from the Latin *verb* obsolescere. So to obsolete obviously has inherited the right to be a verb. Detlef - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO integrated help system
What OS are you running Philip? Would it be possible to download the install package and grab the help files from there if they aren't included in the source package? Is there any reason the help files wouldn't be included in the help package, or is there a specific procedure to compiling the OOo sources I'm un-aware that has a specific step for integrating the help files? What OS are you running Philip? Rigel On 5/18/05, Philip Carlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason no help seems to exist when I press F1 i writer: »The requested document does not exist in the database !!« And that's when requesting the index-page of the help-files... Neither are any files found when I search for some arbitrary thing.. The 'content' and 'index' panes are empty as well... It's been like this fore some time.. every time I've installed OO i've done it by compiling the sources.. I've tried to find the files on the project site, but without luck :-/ Does anyone know how to acquire the missing files? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Version 1.9.101
Actualy Caleb. The developers don't release every snapshot to the servres. The way it works, is that a set of tasks are set up to complete. Each integration task marks a building step, and when it's done they're all bundled together. Ex. .89, .95, .97, and so on. The next consecutive build isn't always the next one to be displayed :) Rigel On 5/18/05, Caleb Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I'm not familiar with the numbering. I just want to know about when it should be out. Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Caleb, On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 10:56:08 -0400, Caleb Marcus wrote: When will OOo 1.9.101 be out? You missed it ;-) No, honestly, the next snapshot probably will be m104. Eike -- Caleb Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] 2 questions
Sir. If you are looking for chinese discussion list, for OpenOffice.ORG you can look here :) , OpenOffice.ORG :) http://zh.openoffice.org/ Unfortuantely the list you have reached is primarily english. Best of luck :) :) Quick. Daniel. We need you. Where's the Chinese Native Lang group?? I babble fished the text below. Hold on a second... I have also enclosed a response for him. I hope I got the link right here. On 5/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1,CalcWriter,. 2, MS office WORD. ?
Re: [discuss] Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Dawn is nature's way of telling you to go to bed. And to just stay there until the evil yellow disk is gone again. --Anonymous Haha. I love this quote. I actualy lived this way a few years ago. I'd get up at 4:00 PM, and stay up till 8:00 AM. It was the only time it was calm enough to get anything freaking done! Complete silence. Just me and the source code. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Daniel :( I don't where the social list is... Can you point me to it? :D Rigel On 5/17/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: Dawn is nature's way of telling you to go to bed. And to just stay there until the evil yellow disk is gone again. --Anonymous Haha. I love this quote. I actualy lived this way a few years ago. I'd get up at 4:00 PM, and stay up till 8:00 AM. It was the only time it was calm enough to get anything freaking done! Complete silence. Just me and the source code. This would be a great post for the social list. Why don't you take this thread there? :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Open office icons.
Quick idea. Give the option of creating a shortcut to the quickstarter on the desktop. Then simply create a shortcut from the desktop to the quick starter app, and set it's properties to open window versus open application and that way, the shortcut actualy does something. This should be really easy :) Rigel On 5/16/05, Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Bach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you have an Folder Icon or Task Launch program so I can place the entire OpenOffice Suite on my desktop under one icon. This is pretty much what the quickstarter does, but in the system tray, rather than on the desktop. -- Andrew Brown The email in the header does not work. Contact details and possibly useful macros from http://www.darwinwars.com/lunatic/bugs/oo_macros.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Help with translating essay
Hello there. Are you trying to update the file so that it can be read by the new OpenDoc, document format used by 2.0.90 and up? If so, you should be able to open it just fine. If the file is in another language then perhaps someone on the language project could help... Rigel On 5/16/05, JMPABH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded the older beta version of open office and wrote a papper, now I can not open it . I was hoping you could translate it for me and send it back - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Turkish Tabloid Enrages Germany with Nazi Comparisons
Ci, Kami. I have also recieved the same e-mail from a spoofed addressed somewhere in my yahoo mail, I sentenced it to the the spam sentence, deletion and sender addy blocked. Oi. Dumb auto mailers. Grr. Rigel On 5/15/05, KamiHír [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caleb Marcus írta: Does this have anything to do with OpenOffice.org? I think this is an mail sended by virus. I have got about a hundred mails with this content. KAMI - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Feature request for OpenOffice draw
Hi there. I totaly agree with you, and find the same problem with draw. I do alot of flow charting, and mapping for programming, visualy, and I don't like running out of space. This is a feature I liked in a program I used to use, that would cost me several hundred dollars to buy, so I didn't buy it... In fact, I would like the concept of infinite drawing space taken one step further. I would like Draw to be able to intelligently expand the drawing surface. It would be nice for OpenOffice Draw to constantly expand the page out based on the proximity of the closest object on the drawing surface. That way the user never has to adjust the drawing space at all! There's no pre-set drawing space, and no final drawing space. Of course, OpenOffice Draw should also shrink the drawing space if objects get taken out. Rigel On 5/15/05, Teifion Swift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a note I have found a repeated use for a feature that I have only encountered in ErWin to date (though it may be more prevalent than that). It would be nice to be able to have an effectively infinite drawing area under certain circumstances and then have that area re-paginated only for the purposes of printing. This is useful far large diagrams and patterns where printing is of less importance than drawing continuity. May packages allow you to specify a larger paper size than the attached printed but this is a fundamentally clumsy substitue for a near-infinite drawing area - something that a computer should excel at since the page construct is purely artificial in computing terms. Kind Regards IcckleBlackCat. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Switch between multiple files in one instance of OO? - Idea Time
Quick solution. Is it possible to borrow object classes under OS's other than windows? Perhaps we can make OOo optionaly tabbed, so that documents show up at the bottom of an OpenOffice window, or give the option of leaving tabs turned off? Is a tabbed office suite even possible? Rigel --- Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JS wrote: When I open multiple files multiple instances of openOffice are opened, No. You see multiple windows of *one* instance of OOo (look into your task or process manager to verify this). Is it possible to switch between muliple files in one instance of openOffice? Given that, the question obviously should be: can I have more than one document in a window. And the answer is: no, you can't. At least ATM. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer - OpenOffice.org Application Framework Project Lead Please reply to the list only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a spam sink. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] New Features
--- John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to suggest a few new featues in Open Office. 1. Incorporate wordprocessor into spreadsheet perhaps by plug in.. The objective of this is to create hybrid documents where worksheets can be wordprocessor or spreadsheet documents. 2. Allow Work Chapters within Work Books. I would like to see tabs within tabs. Are these ideas any good? John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand your Work Chapters suggestion but I can tell you that you can already create a word processor in a spreadsheet by simply inserting an openoffice Writer document directly into the spreadhseet using the insert object option from the insert menu. You can also merge cells for a space to type, or create a new text box for text, and then put it anywhere in the spreadhseet. Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?
Okay. Hold your horses. Let us not forget one of the most major reasons for SUN open sourcing this project in the first place. To promote competition. If it wasn't open source, StarOffice would most likely still be free to non-commercal customers. I think SUN's biggest concern was communicating more intimately with the user base, and getting people involved with people. This does not negate the fact that SUN has still added a huge amount of work to the project, but it is STILL their baby, and their not about to see it lie down by teh wayside. Reality folks! SUN has a steak in its software suite, and one of the motives may be to get a step up from a collaborative community effort, even if SUN does most of the development themselves. Sun's end goal is to sell as many copies of StarOffice as they can. And if they can get a better idea of where customers want to go with the software, and what the development community feels is a good direction then they have a much better marketing and development strategy. As far as I'm concerned, the OOo community has contributed far more than some on this list give them credit for, and I personaly congratulate them and give thanks to all those that have even blinked an eye at the software. This project doesn't belong to any one person, organization, or even group. It is a collaboritive effort, and I want to make that clear! Every line whether code or otherwise is equaly valuable! So don't get your panties in a bunch!! Rigel --- Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erwin Tenhumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Some people might interpret the article in a way that the ration between Sun and non-Sun developers is something like 50:14. If that really was the case wouldn't that mean that a little more than 20% of the features (= functionality) in OpenOffice.org 2.0 would have been developed by non-Sun developers? Is that the case? I'd have thought it was a gross over-estimate, frankly. I can't think of a single addition to the functionality of OOo 2.0 that has come from outside Sun. Let's see -- we've got the new database framework: that was done by Sun developers. We've got the 64,000 row limit in Calc. That was Sun. There's the new scripting framework. That was Sun. There is the improvement to Impress. That was Sun; and when the new charting module comes round, that will also be the work of Sun developers. I don't know who was responsible for the redesigned icons and generally improved UI, but I''d be surprised if it were outsiders. Don't get me wrong. I think all these things are admirable, and I am grateful for them. but all the volunteer effort I have come across has gone into either localisation, support, marketing, or (with spell checking) making up in OOo for things that are already in StarOffice. Genuine improvements to the functionality that depend on volunteer labour, such as the bibliographic project, don't seem to have got anywhere much in the last four years. It may be that Novell, Suse and Redhat people have done lots and lots of work under the hood that we don't see (and does Caolan Macnamara count as both Sun and Red Hat?). But when a user looks at the functionality, the rule seems simple. If Sun doesn't do it, nothing happens. -- Andrew Brown The email in the header does not work. Contact details and possibly useful macros from http://www.darwinwars.com/lunatic/bugs/oo_macros.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] World Lingo - Language translation
do the native-lang projects, have their own discuss lists? Rigel --- Sophie GAUTIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rigel, Rigel a écrit : English For our non-english speaking individuals, a compromise, I think that could be hashed on the discuss list is below. The world lingo web site provides translation between english, french, german, spanish, and a couple others. Just propose non-english speakers to join their native-lang project. That would be much easier :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] New user
Here are the installation instructions for the windows 32 bit installation of 1.1 and up. I hope these help :) Rigel http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/instructions.html#win --- RBB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've downloaded OpenOffice and it didn't instruct me to re-boot, it just went into a file that says OOo_1.1.4_Win32Intel_Install and there's a single yellow file folder. I double click on that file folder, it opens another page with hundreds of b/w icons all marked with numbers and a prefix f0_ At the bottom of that file page are other icons for Foxfire, license, read me, setup, an Acrobat PDF set up guide, a Foxfire icon with THIRDPARTY, etc. I have no idea what I'm looking at, the OpenOffice download icon didn't go to my desktop as others do to be installed with a double click. This may be elementary, but how do I install OpenOffice now? Thanks for the reply. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] To Justin - Re: [discuss] Incorporating interactivity to help using Flash or VB for applications
Actualy. I think you missed my jist LOL If you record a macro, and then say, you want to edit that macro later, what OOo does it displays the entire macro in Visual Basic for Applications format, with all the code, allowing for introduction of, extraction of, and re-writing of any command in the entire macro. This would allow a VBA or OOo developer to add prompts, guided cursors, walkthroughs, confirmations, magnification, and even open and close windows, and play sounds! Since the OOo VBA is compatible with the OS for the one it's programmed with, I think it would be beneficial. Please let me know. Rigel For linux, for windows, for sparc, for everything!! --- Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: Hi Justin. Each time OOo records a macro, it saves it in VBA format. If I can get the OOo VBA learned, semi decently, would you like to take a look at a few things? I'm excited about how we could use the technology in OOo to teach OOo. It's an interesting concept, but you need to flesh it out more. :) Probably the main problem *flash* has with OOo training, is that the flash player itself has no capability of catching when a person does a right mouse click on it. Because there are some things in OOo that can only be done through a right click mouse context menu, this means they're impossible to do any kind of interactive testing/training on. That leaves us with only being able to do demonstration style flash training (like in the DDGTS lessons). I'm not sure if the OOo macro approach above would give a potentially alternative aveue for testing and such, but if it does, then it could be looked at. :) I think that would be a tremendous selling point to to corporations. Look what you can do, Mr. Exec. You can get your own IT team, to build custom tutorials to cut down on your training costs! One more reason that you should ditch microsoft too! Good in theory, though it takes a lot of supporting stuff around that to get it into the marketplace and have it gain traction. None of which is impossible of course. Does that help? :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Rigel -- Executive Director Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd. Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers http://www.digitaldistribution.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] World Lingo - Language translation
English For our non-english speaking individuals, a compromise, I think that could be hashed on the discuss list is below. The world lingo web site provides translation between english, french, german, spanish, and a couple others. I think the translation engine assumes the arabic alphabet. This text was converted from english to french. http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html I would like to see this added as a correspondence link to the language projects, or to the OOo homepage or something! French Version Pour nos individus parlants non-anglais, un compromis, Je pense que qui pourrait être haché sur la liste de discussion est ci-dessous. Le site Web de masselotte du monde fournit la traduction entre l'anglais, Français, Allemand, Espagnol, et un couple d'autres. Je pense que le moteur de traduction assume l'alphabet arabe. Ce texte a été converti d'anglais-français. http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html Original French Version Open office 2 version beta Remarque, comme je suis professeur de sciences naturelles, pour les documents d'élève, des symboles de dessinpré définis et adaptés au laboratoire de chimie seraient très utiles (et ce serait un plus par rapport à ms), tube à essai, tube coudés, tube en T, becher, erlen... utilisables par tout les scientifiques. Il y a des exemples a http://classroomclipart.com/cgi-bin/kids/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Science/Chemistry. Converted English Translation Martin Taylor Open office 2 version beta Remark, as I am a professor of natural science, for documents of pupil, symbols of dessinpré defined and adapted to chemistry laboratory would be very useful (and it would be one more by report/ratio at ms), test tube, tube bent, tube in T, beaker, erlen... usable by all scientists. There are examples has http://classroomclipart.COMcgi-bin/kids/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Science/Chemistry . Martin Taylor __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] 2.0 Beta GUI appearance - tiring for the eyes and working
Doh!! Hey. If anyone still has an old version of 1.14 kicking around, can we fish out the old icons? Maybe set up both sets, and let the user pick? I can see how we could either add a butotn click to the toolbar to use the old icons, or add it to the view menu, or even throw it into the options. *flutters eyelashes* You know what they say about science. 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration. OOo is still a scientific endeavor than an artistic art piece. Rigel --- Johann Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sirs, First of all, congratulations for building OO. I'm one of the software developers in our company and we use OO 1.1.x for several tasks, we also try to push it to marketing people and others in our company. I recently installed 2.0 Beta and was really a bit shocked about the appearance, the menu and icon bar especially. The 1.1 design was really clear, very good for working because of its exact icons and so on. Now I think you've made the same mistake like Microsoft in its Office Suite 2003 and Windows XP at all: Designing Icons with millions of colors, using color slides in menu bar and icon bars, and some icons (bold, italic, invisible characters, ...) are becoming diffuse. In summary : It's very exhausting for the eyes using this 2.0 design, you cannot use it for hours without getting very tired in contrast to the 1.1 design. Ok, you can say the design of software GUI in general is going this way (because of Microsoft ?), but is it the right direction at all ? I think, the new Mickey Mouse design of software is not good the serious working on computers. If you plan to support some kind of skins for OO 2 GUI, please select an ergonomic one as default, and not one with color slides and so on where the eyes do not know where they are on the desktop. But I've not found options for changing the appearance, if there's only this design in the future I think it make it worse pushing your software packet in our company because of this ergonomic drawbacks. I appeal to think again about the design of menu and icon bars in order to make a really excellent software package... Thanks + Best Regards, -- Johann Schmid Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Electr. Development Software, EM KATHREIN-Werke KG Anton-Kathrein-Straße 1-3 P.O. Box 100 444 83004 Rosenheim, Germany Tel.: +49 8031 184-391 Fax: +49 8031 184-493 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.kathrein.de This e-mail is confidential and may contain privileged information.If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. We believe but do not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are virus free. You must therefore take full responsibility for virus checking. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] For Danial Carerra - Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Support on the Users List
Hi daniel. Sun already has the technology to bind various forums into a single cohesive hole, while making the interface for each look entirely independant. That means while the user is sending info off to a Writer forum, the only thing in the e-mail that changes is the subject line that includes Users: Writer: and then the rest of the subject line. I think this would be great because it would keep all the users group e-mails collected, and at the same time keep them all organized according to the component, and! It would allow the support team to simply sort their e-mail by subject and jump directly to what they can do, versus trying to guess at the subject line. Hey. Can someone get on the OOo executive get on the horn, and see if we can borrow sun's collab.net for mail server software? :D I think it would be a great alternative. Rigel --- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Kopischke wrote: I believe this happens because the network of individuals has little in the way of recognition Can you think of any idea to improve the ammount of recognition volunteers get? Let's forget about details like feasibility and practicality. Let's just brainstorm some ideas for a moment. Let's see... maybe if we had a way to get users (customers) to rate the help they got in terms of knowledge, helpfullness and friendliness. And we had hall of fame for the top support people on the list. At OOoAuthors we have a simple, but good, recognition system. Each chapter has a list of contributors. And the lead contributor for the chapter is listed on another line as the maintainer. The maintainer also gets final say on what goes into the chapter. So they can be dictators of their own little realm. :) We've also experimented with a news box, where we announce when a chapter gets published. We don't do that much anymore, but are rather sticking to email-based announcements. Okay, these things can't be directly applied to the users list. But it might be food for thought. Here's another thought (again, reality aside): Have several support lists, for several categories. For example: installation, writer, calc, draw, impress, base and other. Each volunteer subscribes to the lists he feels he can help in. Now, if we just manage to get emails properly directed to the right list, we will reduce the volume each person has to deal with, and increase the list relevance. So how do we distribute emails like that? We can use a web-based support form. The 'customer' selects a component from a list and types in his email and the support question. Then a program would email the appropriate list, CC the user, and add the user's email to the 'Reply-To' field. Okay, this doesn't address the recognition part. But it would address the volume problem. It could also, potentially, improve the over-all atmosphere of the list, by making the contents more relevant. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] For Danial Carerra - Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Support on the Users List
Actualy Alex, I was thinking about binding e-mail addresses. If our present setup can already do that, then great! perhaps something to try out :) I've elaborated more below. If we had individual e-mail addresses for individual components, we could easily juggle them all that way. When they get sent to the server, it changes the subject line to fit the address the e-mail was directed to, ex: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc, and instead of creating different mailing lists, the mail mailman, simply takes the e-mail and says. Hmm. the e-mail is going here. Okay. Let's change the subject line to Users.Writer (subject line) and then shuffle it off to the users@openoffice.org list, or something like that. Rigel --- Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think any Mailman will do that too, you don't really need another proprietary technology to bind a forum with a mailing list. You just need to read the manual on how to set the gateway between them. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi daniel. Sun already has the technology to bind various forums into a single cohesive hole, while making the interface for each look entirely independant. That means while the user is sending info off to a Writer forum, the only thing in the e-mail that changes is the subject line that includes Users: Writer: and then the rest of the subject line. I think this would be great because it would keep all the users group e-mails collected, and at the same time keep them all organized according to the component, and! It would allow the support team to simply sort their e-mail by subject and jump directly to what they can do, versus trying to guess at the subject line. Hey. Can someone get on the OOo executive get on the horn, and see if we can borrow sun's collab.net for mail server software? :D I think it would be a great alternative. Rigel --- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Kopischke wrote: I believe this happens because the network of individuals has little in the way of recognition Can you think of any idea to improve the ammount of recognition volunteers get? Let's forget about details like feasibility and practicality. Let's just brainstorm some ideas for a moment. Let's see... maybe if we had a way to get users (customers) to rate the help they got in terms of knowledge, helpfullness and friendliness. And we had hall of fame for the top support people on the list. At OOoAuthors we have a simple, but good, recognition system. Each chapter has a list of contributors. And the lead contributor for the chapter is listed on another line as the maintainer. The maintainer also gets final say on what goes into the chapter. So they can be dictators of their own little realm. :) We've also experimented with a news box, where we announce when a chapter gets published. We don't do that much anymore, but are rather sticking to email-based announcements. Okay, these things can't be directly applied to the users list. But it might be food for thought. Here's another thought (again, reality aside): Have several support lists, for several categories. For example: installation, writer, calc, draw, impress, base and other. Each volunteer subscribes to the lists he feels he can help in. Now, if we just manage to get emails properly directed to the right list, we will reduce the volume each person has to deal with, and increase the list relevance. So how do we distribute emails like that? We can use a web-based support form. The 'customer' selects a component from a list and types in his email and the support question. Then a program would email the appropriate list, CC the user, and add the user's email to the 'Reply-To' field. Okay, this doesn't address the recognition part. But it would address the volume problem. It could also, potentially, improve the over-all atmosphere of the list, by making the contents more relevant. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [discuss] World Lingo - Language translation
yeah that. LOL Rigel --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the translation engine assumes the arabic alphabet. This text was converted from english to french. roman alphabet ? JC Helary - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Incorporating interactivity to help using Flash or VB for applications
For those computers, that support it, I think it would be helpful to setup some walkthrough tutorials using Flash technology, or VBA (Visual Basic For applications). This may provide the opportunity to walk the user through common tasks if they're just learning the OOo interface, and get them started without them wading through volumes of material. If someone wants to get this ball rolling, it would be a great idea, to me at least. I understand the restraint on resources, and we may need to put this aside as a future project, or for version three of OOo. (if we get to version three) Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Incorporating interactivity to help using Flash or VB for applications
That looks kind of clever, but hey. I still like my idea better. OOo already has a macro / VBA component. We could utilize that, to animate an ilusionary moving cursor, routine actions, prompts, and dialogues, including veryfying cursor positions, tracking clicks, and so on. I think it would be a great idea to take advantage of OOo's VBA component. If I had more experience in VB I'd fiddle with it myself. I'm learning programming over, from years and years ago. Moving into the 21st century. Rigel --- Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: For those computers, that support it, I think it would be helpful to setup some walkthrough tutorials using Flash technology, or VBA (Visual Basic For applications). This may provide the opportunity to walk the user through common tasks if they're just learning the OOo interface, and get them started without them wading through volumes of material. If someone wants to get this ball rolling, it would be a great idea, to me at least. I understand the restraint on resources, and we may need to put this aside as a future project, or for version three of OOo. (if we get to version three) Hi Rigel, You might like to take a look at these then: http://www.digitaldistribution.com/about/lessons/ Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Rigel -- Executive Director Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd. Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers http://www.digitaldistribution.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] To Justin - Re: [discuss] Incorporating interactivity to help using Flash or VB for applications
Hi Justin. Each time OOo records a macro, it saves it in VBA format. If I can get the OOo VBA learned, semi decently, would you like to take a look at a few things? I'm excited about how we could use the technology in OOo to teach OOo. I think that would be a tremendous selling point to to corporations. Look what you can do, Mr. Exec. You can get your own IT team, to build custom tutorials to cut down on your training costs! One more reason that you should ditch microsoft too! Rigel --- Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rigel wrote: That looks kind of clever, but hey. I still like my idea better. Sorry, I thought that was you idea, seeing your description saying Flash and all. OOo already has a macro / VBA component. We could utilize that, to animate an ilusionary moving cursor, routine actions, prompts, and dialogues, including veryfying cursor positions, tracking clicks, and so on. I think it would be a great idea to take advantage of OOo's VBA component. If I had more experience in VB I'd fiddle with it myself. Reading the above, with it being a purely OOo Macro driven thing, sounds nifty. If you do get it up and running, then people will likely be interested. :) Good luck with it. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift I'm learning programming over, from years and years ago. Moving into the 21st century. Rigel -- Executive Director Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd. Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers http://www.digitaldistribution.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] customize startup menu
I just had... yes. yet another idea. *rolls eyes* You can shoot me later, okay? Anyway. Here goes. I think that it would be an effective inclusion to the startup menu to let the user custom sort the New Items list, and the Templates folders / files so that they appear in the order that they like, verus needing to be necesssarily in alphabetical order This would let the user choose whether to sort them for quickest access, or take the lazy route and always go by alphabetical listing. Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] 2e remarque
Je nes set pas francais Jacques :( Les anglais francais http://fr.openoffice.org/ :) --- Jacques Réau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open office 2 version beta Remarque, comme je suis professeur de sciences naturelles, pour les documents d'élève, des symboles de dessinpré définis et adaptés au laboratoire de chimie seraient très utiles (et ce serait un plus par rapport à ms), tube à essai, tube coudés, tube en T, becher, erlen... utilisables par tout les scientifiques. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
