RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

[Robert Reil]

Shawn, and others:
Thanks, your unanimous agreement cinches it as the next book after finishing
the WACK 3 months from now. I remember Shawn sharing that this was the book
in the past but I forgot the name. I am now ready to buy.

Dean: 
Thanks for the additional words. I will also get SQL for Smarties by Joe
Celko also. I know I will need to build scripts etc in due time and such.
This seems that it will be a good primer for that.


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

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From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:57 AM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

Ditto.  Eventually reach guru status by reading SQL for Smarties by Joe
Celko.  Its not about design but about how to use the DB and SQL.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
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On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> Shawn Gorrell
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> Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand  
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> Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB?
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> I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes,  
> foreign
> keys, scripts, etc.
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> I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me  
> command line
> notes.
> I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN  
> MASON!!).
> But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what  
> changes
> to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to  
> do in
> designing our Corporate Intranet.
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> Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie?
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> Thanks in advance.
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[ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

[Robert Reil]

Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things
about DB design.
Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB?

I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign
keys, scripts, etc.

I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line
notes.
I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!).
But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes
to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in
designing our Corporate Intranet.

Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie?

Thanks in advance.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Smith Project

[Robert Reil]

VERY interesting...
 

Robert P. Reil

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Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

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Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com   

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Smith Project



Anyone seen this yet? 

http://www.smithproject.org/ 

Smith is a freeware, cross-platform ColdFusion engine, written entirely in
Java. Running on the top of Java Runtime Environment and Java Servlet
Container, it can be virtually deployed on any operating system and work
with any web server. Smith represents lightweight, yet reliable alternative
to the existing ColdFusion servers. It supports most important CF features
(see   Features) and
already drives several large ColdFusion applications. 

Deeply integrated in J2EE, Smith works as part of ordinary Java Web
application and can easily be used together with servlets and JSPs. The
server behaviour is easily configurable through the simple Web interface
where database connections, debugging options, server mappings and more can
be set. 


Smith is freeware software, which means that it comes with permission for
anyone to use, copy, and distribute it. It is also being seriously
considered to open-source it. 


Shawn Gorrell
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[ACFUG Discuss] "FOO" used as a wildcard to discuss "CF" <-- CF Relevant!

[Robert Reil]

FOO:

 

I see "FOO" around a lot as a variable character set in examples.

 

Teddy Payne uses it often in describing CF

(Token phrase of CF relevance for those concerned about subject relevance)

I just saw it in an explaination of Velocity "The Apache Jakarta Project"

 

I was wondering why "FOO"?

What does it stand for?

 

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

Well here is where the plot thickens.

After digging a bit deeper I noted in one of my earlier emails that the
column is not called PartNumber so $orderitem.getPartNumber would not work.

I just tried it incase and it did not work.

 

The table is the same but the column is called 

"Vend_Number"

 

Also this column was manually added to the table as the Ablecommerce cart
did not have that column.

 

So if it is a Java Class it wont know how to find it and I presume I can not
get into the classes.

 

So I wonder if CF can call it by itself?

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

  _  

From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:56 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Just for my own curiosity, Did you try adding the "()" like Misha suggested?
So the call would be like $orderitem.getPartNumber() instead of
$orderitem.getPartNumber ...

 

Also another thought is that maybe the getPartNumber() method is not
supported by the "orderitem" object. Maybe there is another object you
should be using (like a "part" object). Don't know if this thought helps or
hinders but may be worth a shot.

 

Dusty

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:17 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Third time trying to send..

 

It probably is.

 

Again this is a CF app on top of a Java app.

I would try digging into this help doc they have called JavaDocs.

But I don't know what it is and how to dive into it to figure it out.

 

Heres a link for the Java BRAVE!

http://motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/javadoc/index.html
<http://motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/javadoc/index.html> 

 

After some more digging:

I have found this doc at 

http://help.ablecommerce.com/faqs/ablecommerce_55_cfmx/developer/email_templ
ates.htm
<http://help.ablecommerce.com/faqs/ablecommerce_55_cfmx/developer/email_temp
lates.htm> 

---


 Email Templates in AbleCommerce 5.5 CFMX


Merchants can fully customize the customer notification email. It can
include plain text, static HTML, and even dynamic information with the help
of the full fledged template engine. 

Velocity (http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
<http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/> ) is used as the template engine to
process the email templates. Templates are written in velocity template
language (VTL), which is extremely simple and powerful. 

In a velocity template, certain objects put in the velocity context, can be
accessed directly in a straight forward manner. For example if a 'Store'
object, named "store" is available in the context, then using
$store.getName() we will get the name of the store. Similarly any method
available in the 'Store' object can be called directly.

While writing templates for email messages in AbleCommerce, certain objects
are automatically made available to the context, depending on the type of
event. 

The following table illustrates the objects and their availability for
different events.


Email Notification Objects available for Events 


---  I list here only one that seems relevant.


OBJECT: $orderItem

TYPE:  com.ablecommerce.ac5.order.OrderItem

AVAILABLE TO:

ORDER_ITEM_ADDED

ORDER_ITEM_CHANGED

ORDER_ITEM_MOVED

ORDER_ITEM_REMOVED

ORDER_ITEM_RETURNED

-

 

Ideally I want to be able to pull data from:

Table: Products

Column: Vend_number

 

Can I mix these languages to get that data?

Or will there be a lost token somewhere?

Can I run a separate token for CF?

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

  _  

From: Justin Haygood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

That looks awfully a lot like Java Server Pages to me

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dusty Hale
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:36 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Are you sure it is a CF File? This doesn't look like normal tag based cf
code ...

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF ed

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

Third time trying to send..

 

It probably is.

 

Again this is a CF app on top of a Java app.

I would try digging into this help doc they have called JavaDocs.

But I don't know what it is and how to dive into it to figure it out.

 

Heres a link for the Java BRAVE!

http://motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/javadoc/index.html
<http://motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/javadoc/index.html> 

 

After some more digging:

I have found this doc at 

http://help.ablecommerce.com/faqs/ablecommerce_55_cfmx/developer/email_templ
ates.htm
<http://help.ablecommerce.com/faqs/ablecommerce_55_cfmx/developer/email_temp
lates.htm> 

---


 Email Templates in AbleCommerce 5.5 CFMX


Merchants can fully customize the customer notification email. It can
include plain text, static HTML, and even dynamic information with the help
of the full fledged template engine. 

Velocity (http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
<http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/> ) is used as the template engine to
process the email templates. Templates are written in velocity template
language (VTL), which is extremely simple and powerful. 

In a velocity template, certain objects put in the velocity context, can be
accessed directly in a straight forward manner. For example if a 'Store'
object, named "store" is available in the context, then using
$store.getName() we will get the name of the store. Similarly any method
available in the 'Store' object can be called directly.

While writing templates for email messages in AbleCommerce, certain objects
are automatically made available to the context, depending on the type of
event. 

The following table illustrates the objects and their availability for
different events.


Email Notification Objects available for Events 


---  I list here only one that seems relevant.


OBJECT: $orderItem

TYPE:  com.ablecommerce.ac5.order.OrderItem

AVAILABLE TO:

ORDER_ITEM_ADDED

ORDER_ITEM_CHANGED

ORDER_ITEM_MOVED

ORDER_ITEM_REMOVED

ORDER_ITEM_RETURNED

-

 

Ideally I want to be able to pull data from:

Table: Products

Column: Vend_number

 

Can I mix these languages to get that data?

Or will there be a lost token somewhere?

Can I run a separate token for CF?

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

  _  

From: Justin Haygood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

That looks awfully a lot like Java Server Pages to me

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dusty Hale
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:36 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Are you sure it is a CF File? This doesn't look like normal tag based cf
code ...

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to
what to do.

 

I need to make an edit to a CF file.

 

It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for
us from an AbleCommerce cart.

 

[code]




$orderItem.getSKU()

$orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage()


$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true)

  

$orderItem.getQuantity()

[/code]

 

The question is:

 

That I need the equivalent of a "

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

For the first row to replace the 




 

However when I revise that line of code to:

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

I get:

$orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output.

 

What is happening?

Why is it happening?

How do I fix it?

 

This app is CF on top of a Java app.

I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber" is a Java command and I should be
doing this some other way?

 

Any and all help would be appreciated.

 

 

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

 <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

This is a piece of code put into an db field. This is pulled from either  a
CFC, or a CFM.

 

If you get the email that I have been trying to send about some support docs
called JAVADOC then it may give clarity

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com  

  _  

From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:20 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Justin,

Considering we do not see <% above the code or if the HTML is surrounded by
a tag based JSP declaration, it can look like JSP, Perl and PHP.

 

Robert,

You can tell if a file is ColdFusion by the extension of the file.

 

ColdFusion: .cfm, .cfc, .cfml

PHP: .php

Perl: .pl, .cgi

JSP: .jpg

 

These are the most commin file extensions for the related technologies.

 

Teddy

 

On 11/30/06, Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote: 

Just a hunch, try to add (), like so:

$orderitem.getPartNumber()

/m


>
I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to
what to do. 

I need to make an edit to a CF file.

It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for
us from an AbleCommerce cart.

[code]
  
  $orderItem.getSKU()
  $orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage() 
  
$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true)
   
  $orderItem.getQuantity()
[/code]

The question is:

That I need the equivalent of a
   $orderitem.getPartNumber  
For the first row to replace the
 

However when I revise that line of code to:
   $orderitem.getPartNumber  
I get:
  $orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output.

What is happening?
Why is it happening?
How do I fix it?

This app is CF on top of a Java app.
I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber is a Java command and I should be
doing this some other way? 

Any and all help would be appreciated.




Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com  , Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com   <



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The Banker's Exchange, Inc.
2020 Hills Avenue NW
Atlanta, GA  30318 

Phone:(404) 605-0100 ext. 10
Fax:(404) 355-7930
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

TMI Teddy...

 

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Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com  

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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:06 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Umm, wow.  That was from no where.  Flying cow patties would be a bad day.

 

Teddy

 

On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


I think it looks like cows flying 

Ok, I've had a bad day.  Cows Flying would be a nice change. 

mcg 





Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > 
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   

11/30/2006 03:02 PM 


Please respond to
discussion@acfug.org  


To

Web Site mailto:discussion@acfug.org> > 


cc

 


Subject

re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 


 

 

 





Just a hunch, try to add (), like so:

$orderitem.getPartNumber()

/m


> 
I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to
what to do. 

I need to make an edit to a CF file. 

It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for
us from an AbleCommerce cart. 

[code] 
  
  $orderItem.getSKU() 
  $orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage() 
  
$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true) 
 
  $orderItem.getQuantity() 
[/code] 

The question is: 

That I need the equivalent of a  
   $orderitem.getPartNumber  
For the first row to replace the  
  

However when I revise that line of code to: 
   $orderitem.getPartNumber  
I get: 
  $orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output. 

What is happening? 
Why is it happening? 
How do I fix it? 

This app is CF on top of a Java app. 
I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber is a Java command and I should be
doing this some other way? 

Any and all help would be appreciated. 




Robert P. Reil 
Managing Director, 
Motorcyclecarbs.com   , Inc. 
4292 Country Garden Walk NW 
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 
Office 770-974-8851 
Fax 770-974-8852 
www.motorcyclecarbs.com   <



Mischa Uppelschoten
The Banker's Exchange, Inc.
2020 Hills Avenue NW
Atlanta, GA  30318

Phone:(404) 605-0100 ext. 10
Fax:(404) 355-7930
Web: www.BankersX.com  
Follow this link for Instant Web Chat:
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

That's what I thought. 

Now how to get the info?

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:28 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

 

Robert,

The notation you are showing is not CF.  CF uses the "#" symbol around
variables to refer to values.

 

eg #foo#

 

Now, the $orderItem.getSKU() is showing that orderItem is an object that has
methods.  We call these type of methods setters and getters, which is
related to the idea of a Java bean or also known as a Value object because
it holds values about a particular item. 

 

The notation looks similar to PHP really.

 

Teddy

 

On 11/30/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to
what to do.

 

I need to make an edit to a CF file.

 

It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for
us from an AbleCommerce cart. 

 

[code]


 

$orderItem.getSKU()

$orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage() 


$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true) 

  

$orderItem.getQuantity()

[/code]

 

The question is:

 

That I need the equivalent of a "

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

For the first row to replace the 


 

 

However when I revise that line of code to:

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

I get:

$orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output.

 

What is happening?

Why is it happening?

How do I fix it?

 

This app is CF on top of a Java app.

I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber" is a Java command and I should be
doing this some other way? 

 

Any and all help would be appreciated. 

 

 

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://motorcyclecarbs.com/> , Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

 <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/> www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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[ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit

[Robert Reil]

I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to
what to do.

 

I need to make an edit to a CF file.

 

It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for
us from an AbleCommerce cart.

 

[code]




$orderItem.getSKU()

$orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage()


$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true)

  

$orderItem.getQuantity()

[/code]

 

The question is:

 

That I need the equivalent of a "

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

For the first row to replace the 




 

However when I revise that line of code to:

 $orderitem.getPartNumber" 

I get:

$orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output.

 

What is happening?

Why is it happening?

How do I fix it?

 

This app is CF on top of a Java app.

I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber" is a Java command and I should be
doing this some other way?

 

Any and all help would be appreciated.

 

 

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

  www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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RE: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Shopping carts

[Robert Reil]

Sounds like my situation.

To thicken the mix, I have many vendors, same part, different part numbers
Also that same part has many uses but those uses are proprietary info.
So I have a Many SKU=One PN=Many vendors=One Mfr Part no=Many vendor part
numbers. What a mess..

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Lansford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Shopping carts

I agree with buying something, but only if it works. The last site I did had
some complexities that I just couldn't handle without doing it myself. They
had some items that shipped from stock, some that had a drop ship
arrangement and some bulk items that shipped by freight. That made the
real-time shipping calculations a bit cumbersome. Plus, they wanted
customers to be able to purchase by credit card or with an established
corporate account and to add sales tax to in-state purchases. I just
couldn't find anything off the shelf that would work.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Ross
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:20 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Shopping carts


Yeah except the price ratio goes way up for building it yourself. If
you can save cycles on development by buying something then it may pay
off.

Course you may have to fix their code so... might not be that
productive. Definately buy something that does 80% of what you need it
to do out of the box.

-Steven

On 11/22/06, Rick Lansford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lowest price - build it yourself.
>
> It's not that difficult and if you just want a basic system, you can
create
> one that meets your specific needs then add on some bells and whistles
> later. I found much of the complexity of the "off the shelf" products were
> from an attempt to make a one size fits all, and trying to allow some
degree
> of customization. If you are just building it for yourself, then you don't
> need all those added functions.
>
> Just my humble comments.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Bellevue
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:50 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Shopping carts
>
>
> Anyone here on Saturday?
>
> I'm looking for suggestions/recommendations/feedback on CF shopping carts.
> I'm currently looking at CFWebStore and AbleCommerce. This is for me, not
a
> client - need to get my retail business online!
>
> Of course, I want everything at the lowest cost possible.
>
> Of importance:
> - Stability
> - Ability to customize pages quickly and easily (particulartly product
> display)
> - Very flexible product attributes
> - Ability to manage all site pages thru a single interface
> - Ability to capture CC info without actually processing it
>
> Any feedback is appreciated...
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Bellevue
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[ACFUG Discuss] Quickbooks and CF

[Robert Reil]

Has anyone ever found it possible to build an CF app that
enables data in Quickbooks to be read?

 

My idea is that if I can take my Able Commerce app and Using
Quickbooks is there a way to integrate between the two?

 

Just a thought I wanted to throw out there...

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country
 Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Huge! 3000W UPS Available

[Robert Reil]

Done. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.
Feel free to remove this thread if desired I put it on the Community list.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006
10:22 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Huge!
3000W UPS Available



 

Robert,
I am not sure on the policy for the ACFUG lists, but part of me thinks that
soliciting to sell something that service oriented may not be normal
behavior.  The discussion list is for discussion CF technology
topics.  The community list would be more appropriate as that list is a
more "off topic" list. 

Teddy





On 11/7/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





I
am sorry for putting this on the discussion list but don't know where to get
the publicity for it.

 

I
have a MONSTER UPS that I am putting up for sale.

 

It
is a 110VAC Unit that has run my 10 servers, switches, KVM, Backups etc for
about 3 hours in the past.

 

It
was completely factory serviced, and technically upgraded to current technology
in 2003 and is in fine shape. New batteries were purchased and the others were
tested at Batteries plus. This system runs on 30amp service and is in great
shape. It is rack mountable. There are 4 units, the main unit is 7U tall, and
the other 3 battery units are 6U tall. Each battery unit holds 4 Riding
lawnmower sized 12VDC batteries. There are also 2 spare batteries included.
This system works wonderfully but it is too big for me, and is taking up too
much space.

Pics
available on request.

These
items are HEAVY! I would guess the whole assembly would be 200-250 lbs.

 

It
has the same specs as 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7611161217

The
system  on this link is a standup vs rack mount and it is newer than mine
but is just as functional. 

 

Let
me know if you or anyone you know are interested. This is said to run 4
cabinets for an hour.

 

I
am open to any reasonable bids. Call if interested.

 

 

Robert
P. Reil

Managing
Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.


4292
Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152


Office
770-974-8851

Fax
770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

 










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[ACFUG Discuss] Huge! 3000W UPS Available

[Robert Reil]

I am sorry for putting this on the discussion list but don’t
know where to get the publicity for it.

 

I have a MONSTER UPS that I am putting up for sale.

 

It is a 110VAC Unit that has run my 10 servers, switches,
KVM, Backups etc for about 3 hours in the past.

 

It was completely factory serviced, and technically upgraded
to current technology in 2003 and is in fine shape. New batteries were
purchased and the others were tested at Batteries plus. This system runs on
30amp service and is in great shape. It is rack mountable. There are 4 units,
the main unit is 7U tall, and the other 3 battery units are 6U tall. Each
battery unit holds 4 Riding lawnmower sized 12VDC batteries. There are also 2
spare batteries included. This system works wonderfully but it is too big for
me, and is taking up too much space.

Pics available on request.

These items are HEAVY! I would guess the whole assembly
would be 200-250 lbs.

 

It has the same specs as 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7611161217

The system  on this link is a standup vs rack mount and
it is newer than mine but is just as functional. 

 

Let me know if you or anyone you know are interested. This
is said to run 4 cabinets for an hour.

 

I am open to any reasonable bids. Call if interested.

 

 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country
 Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Debbie Gregory

[Robert Reil]

Look forward to seeing those files/games
online for download.

Can you send them to the powers that be to
put them up for download?

 

Thanks so much Debbie. I agree with all
stated so much. The level of detail and visuals that demonstrated cause and
effect was very powerful.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Debbie Gregory
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006
5:38 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Debbie Gregory



 

Thank you so very much for the compliment
and the best wishes.   I want to thank everyone who came for being
such a great (and patient) audience.  

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy
Payne
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006
2:51 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Debbie
Gregory



 



I wanted to say thank you to Debbie Gregory for her presentation last
night.





 





I was sincerely tickled at the visual aids on how strings, lists,
arrays and queries were represented.





 





Also, was I the only person that was impressed by the detail of the
examples?





 





I know she had some troubleshooting issues, but the code examples and
the two games were a solid way to engage people in learning development ideas.





 





 





Thanks again Debbie and best of wishes in your new adventure in
marriage.





 





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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

Ill try that, thanks.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006
6:52 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 



Do:





 





jrunsvc -remove "Name of service to
remove Case Sensitive"





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006
4:55 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup

Thump. Asking again

 



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Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
3:56 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Well…

 

I installed the CFusion7 service but it
wont start.

I also installed a Default server while
going through some how to’s last night. I want to remove it and cant seem
to.

 

For the removal of:

“Macromedia JRun Default
Server” Service

I try to run:

Jrunsvc –remove 

Macromedia JRun Default Server

Default

JRun Default

JRun Default Server

 

And none of these work.

 

I prefer to work in the Windows services
console but have to get it to work first.

 

I feel so silly not being able to get this
service to remove, and the other to start.

 

 









From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
11:51 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

 



On 10/19/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Only the following services seem relevant

 

Macromedia JRun Admin Server

Macromedia JRun CFusion Server

Macromedia JRun Default Server

 

No other Macromedia JRun services are installed 

 

Digging around in Google and LiveDocs I have come to this
conclusion.

 

I need to use the jrunsvc as Doug has replied to, and I saw
that livedoc, to install a windows service for that service.

I can't seem to get the service to load using that command
though there are no samples, only wild cards and I think I am getting the
syntax wrong.

I wish I had a sample of a command line, with an extaction of
the Windows services entry.








C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"  
that is a sample, no wildcards are mentioned.  replace 
with your server name and the string literals with whatever you
want.  You can always edit the descriptions in the services panel too. 





 





If I use the JRun welcome.jsp file console to turn off the
cfusion service, and to turn on the cfusion7 service that works, but the
cfusion turns back on.

I did notice that going into windows services and stopping
the cfusion service does completely stop it.










The ' JRun welcome.jsp file' access via port
8000 is known as the JMC.  I STRONGLY recommend using this or the windows
services panel in a mutually exclusive manner.  Using both of these to
start/stop jrun servers is a bad idea, they don't play well with others and may
even use pointy scissors. 

If you are doing all this on your local desktop for development, I wouldn't use
any of this.  Just simply use
c:\jrun4\jrun -start   to start the server from a
command line.  Creating a BAT file for this is cake and can be dbl-clicked
in good old windows. 





 





So with that, I guess I should turn the JRun cfusion svc to
manual (which I just did)

And that I need some help on getting the JRun cfusion7 svc to
install and have it run in the Windows services as Automatic.

 

I want to run:

C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"

 

I want it to post into Windows Services as:

Name:

Macromedia JRun CFusion7 Server

 

Description:
Macromedia JRun ColdFusion 7 Server

 

Startup Type:

Automatic

 

Please help me with the syntax

 









From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
5:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Are both of these listed in the Windows Services MMC
Snap In?

DK



On
10/18/06, Robert
 Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:





I
have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How
do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



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Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com













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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

Thump. Asking again

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
3:56 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Well…

 

I installed the CFusion7 service but it
wont start.

I also installed a Default server while
going through some how to’s last night. I want to remove it and cant seem
to.

 

For the removal of:

“Macromedia JRun Default
Server” Service

I try to run:

Jrunsvc –remove 

Macromedia JRun Default Server

Default

JRun Default

JRun Default Server

 

And none of these work.

 

I prefer to work in the Windows services
console but have to get it to work first.

 

I feel so silly not being able to get this
service to remove, and the other to start.

 

 









From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
11:51 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

 



On 10/19/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Only the following services seem relevant

 

Macromedia JRun Admin Server

Macromedia JRun CFusion Server

Macromedia JRun Default Server

 

No other Macromedia JRun services are installed 

 

Digging around in Google and LiveDocs I have come to this
conclusion.

 

I need to use the jrunsvc as Doug has replied to, and I saw
that livedoc, to install a windows service for that service.

I can't seem to get the service to load using that command
though there are no samples, only wild cards and I think I am getting the
syntax wrong.

I wish I had a sample of a command line, with an extaction of
the Windows services entry.








C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install
 "service-name" "service-display"  
that is a sample, no wildcards are mentioned.  replace 
with your server name and the string literals with whatever you
want.  You can always edit the descriptions in the services panel too. 





 





If I use the JRun welcome.jsp file console to turn off the
cfusion service, and to turn on the cfusion7 service that works, but the
cfusion turns back on.

I did notice that going into windows services and stopping
the cfusion service does completely stop it.










The ' JRun welcome.jsp file' access via port
8000 is known as the JMC.  I STRONGLY recommend using this or the windows
services panel in a mutually exclusive manner.  Using both of these to
start/stop jrun servers is a bad idea, they don't play well with others and may
even use pointy scissors. 

If you are doing all this on your local desktop for development, I wouldn't use
any of this.  Just simply use
c:\jrun4\jrun -start   to start the server from a
command line.  Creating a BAT file for this is cake and can be dbl-clicked
in good old windows. 





 





So with that, I guess I should turn the JRun cfusion svc to
manual (which I just did)

And that I need some help on getting the JRun cfusion7 svc to
install and have it run in the Windows services as Automatic.

 

I want to run:

C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"

 

I want it to post into Windows Services as:

Name:

Macromedia JRun CFusion7 Server

 

Description:
Macromedia JRun ColdFusion 7 Server

 

Startup Type:

Automatic

 

Please help me with the syntax

 









From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
5:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Are both of these listed in the Windows Services MMC
Snap In?

DK



On
10/18/06, Robert
 Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:





I
have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How
do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

Well…

 

I installed the CFusion7 service but it
wont start.

I also installed a Default server while
going through some how to’s last night. I want to remove it and cant seem
to.

 

For the removal of:

“Macromedia JRun Default Server”
Service

I try to run:

Jrunsvc –remove 

Macromedia JRun Default Server

Default

JRun Default

JRun Default Server

 

And none of these work.

 

I prefer to work in the Windows services console
but have to get it to work first.

 

I feel so silly not being able to get this
service to remove, and the other to start.

 

 









From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
11:51 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

 



On 10/19/06, Robert
Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Only the following services seem relevant

 

Macromedia JRun Admin Server

Macromedia JRun CFusion Server

Macromedia JRun Default Server

 

No other Macromedia JRun services are installed 

 

Digging around in Google and LiveDocs I have come to this
conclusion.

 

I need to use the jrunsvc as Doug has replied to, and I saw
that livedoc, to install a windows service for that service.

I can't seem to get the service to load using that command
though there are no samples, only wild cards and I think I am getting the
syntax wrong.

I wish I had a sample of a command line, with an extaction of
the Windows services entry.








C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"  
that is a sample, no wildcards are mentioned.  replace 
with your server name and the string literals with whatever you
want.  You can always edit the descriptions in the services panel too. 





 





If I use the JRun welcome.jsp file console to turn off the
cfusion service, and to turn on the cfusion7 service that works, but the
cfusion turns back on.

I did notice that going into windows services and stopping
the cfusion service does completely stop it.










The ' JRun welcome.jsp file' access via port
8000 is known as the JMC.  I STRONGLY recommend using this or the windows
services panel in a mutually exclusive manner.  Using both of these to
start/stop jrun servers is a bad idea, they don't play well with others and may
even use pointy scissors. 

If you are doing all this on your local desktop for development, I wouldn't use
any of this.  Just simply use
c:\jrun4\jrun -start   to start the server from a
command line.  Creating a BAT file for this is cake and can be dbl-clicked
in good old windows. 





 





So with that, I guess I should turn the JRun cfusion svc to
manual (which I just did)

And that I need some help on getting the JRun cfusion7 svc to
install and have it run in the Windows services as Automatic.

 

I want to run:

C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"

 

I want it to post into Windows Services as:

Name:

Macromedia JRun CFusion7 Server

 

Description:
Macromedia JRun ColdFusion 7 Server

 

Startup Type:

Automatic

 

Please help me with the syntax

 









From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
5:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Are both of these listed in the Windows Services MMC
Snap In?

DK



On
10/18/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:





I
have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How
do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



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Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

Thanks Doug. Been waiting all morning for
this. Ill
give it a try. And I agree about the batch files. 

This is my dev learning laptop. With CF6,
and CF7 on it to try different things.

 

Ill make a
desktop folder and put the bats in there.

 

Off to play!

 

If I don’t reply again then no news is
good news!

 

Thanks again!

 



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Inc.

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From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006
11:51 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

 



On 10/19/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Only the following services seem relevant

 

Macromedia JRun Admin Server

Macromedia JRun CFusion Server

Macromedia JRun Default Server

 

No other Macromedia JRun services are installed 

 

Digging around in Google and LiveDocs I have come to this
conclusion.

 

I need to use the jrunsvc as Doug has replied to, and I saw
that livedoc, to install a windows service for that service.

I can't seem to get the service to load using that command
though there are no samples, only wild cards and I think I am getting the
syntax wrong.

I wish I had a sample of a command line, with an extaction of
the Windows services entry.








C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"  
that is a sample, no wildcards are mentioned.  replace 
with your server name and the string literals with whatever you
want.  You can always edit the descriptions in the services panel too. 





 





If I use the JRun welcome.jsp file console to turn off the
cfusion service, and to turn on the cfusion7 service that works, but the
cfusion turns back on.

I did notice that going into windows services and stopping
the cfusion service does completely stop it.










The ' JRun welcome.jsp file' access via port 8000
is known as the JMC.  I STRONGLY recommend using this or the windows
services panel in a mutually exclusive manner.  Using both of these to
start/stop jrun servers is a bad idea, they don't play well with others and may
even use pointy scissors. 

If you are doing all this on your local desktop for development, I wouldn't use
any of this.  Just simply use
c:\jrun4\jrun -start   to start the server from a
command line.  Creating a BAT file for this is cake and can be dbl-clicked
in good old windows. 





 





So with that, I guess I should turn the JRun cfusion svc to
manual (which I just did)

And that I need some help on getting the JRun cfusion7 svc to
install and have it run in the Windows services as Automatic.

 

I want to run:

C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
"service-name" "service-display"

 

I want it to post into Windows Services as:

Name:

Macromedia JRun CFusion7 Server

 

Description:
Macromedia JRun ColdFusion 7 Server

 

Startup Type:

Automatic

 

Please help me with the syntax

 









From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
5:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Are both of these listed in the Windows Services MMC
Snap In?

DK



On
10/18/06, Robert
 Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:





I
have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How
do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com













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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

Only the following services seem relevant

 

Macromedia JRun Admin Server

Macromedia JRun CFusion Server

Macromedia JRun Default Server

 

No other Macromedia JRun services are
installed 

 

Digging around in Google and LiveDocs I
have come to this conclusion.

 

I need to use the jrunsvc as Doug has
replied to, and I saw that livedoc, to install a windows service for that
service.

I can’t seem to get the service to
load using that command though there are no samples, only wild cards and I
think I am getting the syntax wrong.

I wish I had a sample of a command line,
with an extaction of the Windows services entry.

 

If I use the JRun welcome.jsp file console
to turn off the cfusion service, and to turn on the cfusion7 service that
works, but the cfusion turns back on.

I did notice that going into windows
services and stopping the cfusion service does completely stop it.

 

So with that, I guess I should turn the JRun
cfusion svc to manual (which I just did)

And that I need some help on getting the
JRun cfusion7 svc to install and have it run in the Windows services as
Automatic.

 

I want to run:

C:/jrun4/bin/jrunsvc –install 
“service-name” “service-display”

 

I want it to post into Windows Services
as:

Name:

Macromedia JRun CFusion7 Server

 

Description:
Macromedia JRun ColdFusion 7 Server

 

Startup Type:

Automatic

 

Please help me with the syntax

 









From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
5:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Are both of these listed
in the Windows Services MMC Snap In?

DK



On 10/18/06, Robert
Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:





I
have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How
do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com













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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

I don’t see my posting or any
replies... I was wondering what was going on

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

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Fax 770-974-8852

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From: Charlie Arehart
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
4:31 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Robert, if you've sent this a second time,
I'll point that it did arrive already at 9:30 this morning, with a couple of
replies from others since then.



 



/charlie

http://www.carehart.org/blog/



 



 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
2:34 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup

I have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com









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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

OOPs. NOOB emailer! Gosh what a busy day I
guess I didn’t scroll down far enough!

 

NOOBB

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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From: Charlie Arehart
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
4:31 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup



 

Robert, if you've sent this a second time,
I'll point that it did arrive already at 9:30 this morning, with a couple of
replies from others since then.



 



/charlie

http://www.carehart.org/blog/



 



 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
2:34 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] jrun
setup

I have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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[ACFUG Discuss] jrun setup

[Robert Reil]

I have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

[ACFUG Discuss] jrun set up

[Robert Reil]

I have CFMX, and CFMX7 running in the JRUN console.

How do I make a default of MX stopped, and MX7 in run mode?

 

Robert Reil

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: [ACFUG Announce] Web Application Construc tion Kit (WACK) Study Group starts next week

[Robert Reil]

It will depend on the census of the group.
Chapter by chapter yes. What is the web? Most likely no.

The first 3-4 chapters are software
configurations. Daniel and I (thanks to Teddy) have our laptops properly
configured now and if noone needs to go through it we will pass till there is
info to cover.

 

Mohammed:

 

Maybe we could have a conference call
going on speaker phone and you could remote in per se’

 



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From: Precia
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006
3:07 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re:
[ACFUG Announce] Web Application Construction Kit (WACK) Study Group starts
next week



 



Please feel free to ask questions, too.  We ACFUGers live for
answering questions.   :)





 





Precia

 





On 10/12/06, Ajas,
Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 







Hello everyone, 
   
Before I start let me introduce myself. My name is Ajas Mohammed, currently
working as Web Developer (ColdFusion, SQL Server) in Chattanooga, TN.


Robert, I was wondering if you would be going through the WACK book chapter by
chapter. If yes then which chapter you would be covering in this session. I
cannot come over there but I could go over the book myself and maybe we could
share in the group what was covered. Just a suggestion. 

Thanks.

Ajas Mohammed.





- Original Message

From: Robert Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: announcements@acfug.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:20:41 PM 
Subject: [ACFUG Announce] Web Application Construction Kit (WACK) Study Group
starts next week



Just
a reminder that the Web Application Construction Kit Study Group will be
meeting in Kennesaw next Tuesday night at 6:30pm. 

 

See
http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=meetings.meetingdetail&EventID=176
for details.

 

Robert
P. Reil

Managing
Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc. 

4292
Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 

Office
770-974-8851

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[ACFUG Discuss] Web Application Construction Kit (WACK) Study Group starts next w eek

[Robert Reil]

Just a reminder that the Web Application Construction Kit
Study Group will be meeting in Kennesaw next Tuesday night at 6:30pm.

 

See http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=meetings.meetingdetail&EventID=176
for details.

 

Robert P. Reil

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Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country
 Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CFMX7 Web App Const Kit Book Study Group

[Robert Reil]

Weekly.

Robert P. Reil
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Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
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Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:30 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CFMX7 Web App Const Kit Book Study Group

Robert, I'll post this on the calendar on the web site also, but what is
your expected frequency of meeting? Weekly? Bi-weekly? Monthly?

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:24 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CFMX7 Web App Const Kit Book Study Group

Two weeks from now on Tuesday Daniel and I will begin going through the
CFMX7 Web App Construction Kit book by Forta, and Camden.

If anyone is interested in meeting at 6:30pm in Kennesaw to go through this
book please contact me for further info.

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Data Aquistion App

[Robert Reil]

Thanks again Charlie!

Robert P. Reil
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www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:43 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Data Aquistion App

Sound like you need a content management system--and not just one that makes
it easy to "create web pages" but rather one that is customizable and really
as much a data-entry/reporting system. I'll leave it to others to propose
alternatives out there that may suit your needs. More than that, it has to
suit one's coding ability. Some are easier to use (but less customizable).
Still, sometimes anything's better than nothing.

If you really to mean to propose that you'd like to see Ray's wiki tweaked,
I'll point out that there's a forum at Ray's site,
http://ray.camdenfamily.com/forums/forums.cfm?conferenceid=532550A6-E0FE-334
D-789E7D0DD9749BDB, (indeed, running his own Galleon software) where you can
bring up ideas for enhancements and perhaps even get feedback from others
who use it who may help you see how to tweak it. It is open source, after
all. :-)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:47 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Data Aquistion App

During Ray Camden's demonstration of Canvas Wiki it occurred to me that that
may be a useful app if it was tweaked.

Heres what I need to happen.
We need to aquire proprietary information.
This info will not be for public viewing.
I will need lots of year/make/model specific info from owners.
The info will not overwrite other aquired info for the same
yr/make/model.
The info history will be shown internally when called.

What would be the best way to have a site visitor fillout a data
questionnaire. I would prefer an open source app. Has anyone seen or heard
of one? 

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[ACFUG Discuss] Data Aquistion App

[Robert Reil]

During Ray Camden's demonstration of Canvas Wiki it occurred to me that that
may be a useful app if it was tweaked.

Heres what I need to happen.
We need to aquire proprietary information.
This info will not be for public viewing.
I will need lots of year/make/model specific info from owners.
The info will not overwrite other aquired info for the same
yr/make/model.
The info history will be shown internally when called.

What would be the best way to have a site visitor fillout a data
questionnaire. I would prefer an open source app. Has anyone seen or heard
of one? 

Robert Reil
www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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[ACFUG Discuss] CFMX7 Web App Const Kit Book Study Group

[Robert Reil]

Two weeks from now on Tuesday Daniel and I will begin going through the
CFMX7 Web App Construction Kit book by Forta, and Camden.

If anyone is interested in meeting at 6:30pm in Kennesaw to go through this
book please contact me for further info.

Robert Reil
www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

Iz waiting for that... :P

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 
-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:18 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX


Is it Robertday (er, Friday) already? ;-)
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On August 29, 2006, Robert Reil wrote:

> In the past thread termination (in SeeFusion) seems to take about 5
minutes
> to recover from.
> 
>  
> 
> I guess I could do a stack trace if someone told me what and how to do it.
> 
>  
> 
> Robert P. Reil
> 
> Managing Director,
> 
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> 
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> 
> Office 770-974-8851
> 
> Fax 770-974-8852
> 
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:21 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX
> 
>  
> 
> More importantly, what pages does SeeFusion note as running during your
> "lockups"?
> 
>  
> 
> If you terminate the execution of those threads (using SeeFusion), is the
> server able to handle requests normally?
> 
>  
> 
> Can you provide a stack trace of the threads running at the time of
lockup?
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Drucker
> CEO
> Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com <http://www.figleaf.com/> 
> http://training.figleaf.com <http://training.figleaf.com/> 
> Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training
> Partner 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:00 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX
> 
> Well using SeeFusion showed me that if I decrease thread volume I
increased
> UP TIME!
> 
> What was more important?
> 
>  
> 
> 4 hours between 1-2 minute lock ups, or
> 
> 2 hours between 40 minute lock ups?
> 
>  
> 
> I think I did the only logical thing I could do considering my pathetic
lack
> of knowledge.
> 
> I am sure that one day I will comment to myself how IGNORANT I was at this
> time.
> 
>  
> 
> Robert P. Reil
> 
> Managing Director,
> 
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> 
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> 
> Office 770-974-8851
> 
> Fax 770-974-8852
> 
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:41 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX
> 
>  
> 
> Umm, why would you reduce the thread count? Threads are like available
> channels that can execute code in tandom.  You have a queue of requests
and
> the threads are the ones that handle all of the requests.   If you have
100
> requests and 10 threads handle them, that is faster than 100 requests and
2
> threads handling them.  The only thing that has to observed is how much
> memory is best suited for the threads.  Each threads takes up resources as
> individual and asynchronous processes.   I typically increase my threads
> over time and watch the performance of a box.  I try to keep the CPU to
> around 30% if possible.  60-70% works just fine if you have over 1000
queues
> per minute. 
> 
> Teddy
> 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

Nice analogy Doug:

 

Unfortunately I had to pay $100 for the tool
(seefusion) to realize there was a peel and stick bandaid to use.

I didn’t know how to play with all
the bells and whistles under the hood and deep into the diagnostic equipment.

 

I just seemed to see a knob on the dash
that made a difference and figured it would limp along till I knew what I was
doing...

If that day ever gets here that is...
lol...

 

As to what pages are doing it? I think a
few of them. But even if I find them I don’t know how to read the code
yet to be able to debug it.

I have a feeling that the data is out of
sync in the DB, but then how to sync it?

 

Ah... I better just be happy with the
bandaid for a while and learn, or I could win t the lottery (as if I played)
and hire a guru for a week to fix it...

(as if I’d win)...

 

Stumbling along...

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
11:47 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX



 

 



On 8/29/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:







Well using SeeFusion showed me that if I decrease thread
volume I increased UP TIME!

What was more important?

 

4 hours between 1-2 minute lock ups, or

2 hours between 40 minute lock ups?

 

I think I did the only logical thing I could do considering
my pathetic lack of knowledge.

I am sure that one day I will comment to myself how IGNORANT
I was at this time.











gee, I do this daily!   

Messing with thread count limits is a fairly advanced topic and from my
experience can enlist the use of some voodoo magik.  Lowering your thread
count max basically says give more processing power to each thread, which can
lead to these threads executing faster.  But this sacrifices the ability
to handle several requests at once.  As others have said, its those cfm
pages causing the bottleneck that need help.  Lowering the thread count
can act as a bandaid in these situations.  

>4 hours between 1-2 minute lock ups

this is not a 'up time' really.  'up time' would usually refer to CF
running continuously.  
Some water in a fuel line would cause your motorcycle to stutter here in there,
but not shut off completely, eh?  To fix, need to take care of the water,
not lower the amount of fuel flow.  ...a stab at a analogy here, its been
quite a few years since I messed around with me dirt bike! 

DK





 









Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
10:41 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX







 

Umm, why
would you reduce the thread count? Threads are like available channels that can
execute code in tandom.  You have a queue of requests and the threads are
the ones that handle all of the requests.   If you have 100 requests
and 10 threads handle them, that is faster than 100 requests and 2 threads
handling them.  The only thing that has to observed is how much memory is
best suited for the threads.  Each threads takes up resources as
individual and asynchronous processes.   I typically increase my threads
over time and watch the performance of a box.  I try to keep the CPU to
around 30% if possible.  60-70% works just fine if you have over 1000
queues per minute. 

Teddy

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

See fusion didn’t recommend it.

However...

 

I had I think the default of 8,

Then I went to 6, it ran better longer and
recovered sooner

Then I went to 4,

Then 2.

 

All I know is cause and effect. The behind
the scences server performance issues at this time are still voodoo majik!

 

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
11:27 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX



 

SeeFusion recommended reducing the thread count by 80%?  That
would choke most application servers I know.

Teddy

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

In the past thread termination (in
SeeFusion) seems to take about 5 minutes to recover from.

 

I guess I could do a stack trace if
someone told me what and how to do it.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
11:21 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX



 

More importantly, what pages does
SeeFusion note as running during your "lockups"?

 

If you terminate the execution of those
threads (using SeeFusion), is the server able to handle requests normally?

 

Can you provide a stack trace of the
threads running at the time of lockup?

 

Regards,
Steve Drucker
CEO
Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com
http://training.figleaf.com
Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner


 

 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
11:00 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX

Well using SeeFusion showed me that if I
decrease thread volume I increased UP TIME!

What was more important?

 

4 hours between 1-2 minute lock ups, or

2 hours between 40 minute lock ups?

 

I think I did the only logical thing I
could do considering my pathetic lack of knowledge.

I am sure that one day I will comment to
myself how IGNORANT I was at this time.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
10:41 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX



 

Umm, why would you reduce the thread count? Threads are like available
channels that can execute code in tandom.  You have a queue of requests
and the threads are the ones that handle all of the requests.   If
you have 100 requests and 10 threads handle them, that is faster than 100
requests and 2 threads handling them.  The only thing that has to observed
is how much memory is best suited for the threads.  Each threads takes up
resources as individual and asynchronous processes.   I typically
increase my threads over time and watch the performance of a box.  I try
to keep the CPU to around 30% if possible.  60-70% works just fine if you
have over 1000 queues per minute. 

Teddy

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

Well using SeeFusion showed me that if I
decrease thread volume I increased UP TIME!

What was more important?

 

4 hours between 1-2 minute lock ups, or

2 hours between 40 minute lock ups?

 

I think I did the only logical thing I
could do considering my pathetic lack of knowledge.

I am sure that one day I will comment to
myself how IGNORANT I was at this time.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
10:41 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] RE:
JRUN Hangs REDEUX



 

Umm, why would you reduce the thread count? Threads are like available
channels that can execute code in tandom.  You have a queue of requests
and the threads are the ones that handle all of the requests.   If
you have 100 requests and 10 threads handle them, that is faster than 100
requests and 2 threads handling them.  The only thing that has to observed
is how much memory is best suited for the threads.  Each threads takes up
resources as individual and asynchronous processes.   I typically
increase my threads over time and watch the performance of a box.  I try
to keep the CPU to around 30% if possible.  60-70% works just fine if you
have over 1000 queues per minute. 

Teddy

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[ACFUG Discuss] RE: JRUN Hangs REDEUX

[Robert Reil]

As of now due to many of you I have decreased the active thread count in CF
to 2 from 10.
JRUNS errors are now at 1-2 mins every 2-4 hours vs the previous 40 mins
every 2 hours.

I have had activity that looks promising on the AbleCommerce site about:

"ColdFusion MX 6.1: Updated DataDirect drivers for 100% CPU utilization and
other issues"

It seems that I have 3.2 and 3.3 fixed a bunch of issues related to this and
there is now a 3.5 version..

I'm interested to see what you all have to say after reading:
http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?p=15586#15586


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:58 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: JRUN Hangs

Im actually trying one thing at a time. The DNS issue will be the hardest to
fix I think and I only have small blocks of time to keep at this. Having an
hour or 2 uninterupted and a luxury now adays.

Im now on the Able Commerce list to see what they say.
I know I have some DNS issues but they have been there for a while, and this
JRUN problem has not been there as long in my opinion. Though I HAVE been
wrong before!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:05 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: JRUN Hangs

it would be a good idea to evaluate what errors are in that log.

also, I didn't see a respose to my post about how slow dns could
actually be causing the problem.  did I miss your response, r are you
only trying one solution at a time?

On 7/2/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Removed the column in the table I added previously.
> Still following JRUN Hang pattern.
>
> Need to try making a new log file I guess but it wont let go.
> Any ideas?
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:41 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> Cant rename that log as it's in use. Would have to stop/start and im still
> monitoring. Will wait to see if column removal will fix it.
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:55 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> I think you should be able to remove the log and see what happens.  Should
> not be an issue.
>
> Cody
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:40 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> It hung again.
> ---
> 14:35:12 Begain to stack up
> It stacked up to 10 at max
> 15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
> 15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)
>
> Server Log view:
> http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
> http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm
>
> 14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
> -
> Date  TimeSeverityThreadIDApplication
> Name
> Jul 1, 2006   2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not
listed]
> -
> Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
> C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm, completed
in
> 93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
> -
>
> I don't think that is it though.
> However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
> Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse
this???
> If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the settings?
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -O

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

[Robert Reil]

Thanks guys. I got a good feel of what to do.
Teddy:
I have a relationship with them and then it kind of fell apart when Harry
started managing the store.
Martin however is a realist.
The E-Store is an ASP managed by a consultant.
He wont give me the consultant contact info so we can not collaborate, but
he filters, and then forwards.

I think he will go for the csv and I sent him this request as a result.

I cant thank you guys enough.
Guess what it looks like my first real project will be...

Stay tuned for more episodes on "ROBERT'S DAY"!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:21 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

Either way will work. I've made my point for why checking on demand (via
either cfhttp or a web service) may be better than just getting a daily
feed. It's really your (and their) call.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:55 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

Good stuff Charlie and all.

I understand what you are saying and how teddy is saying CSV etc.
So am I hearing you say have them provide a CSV? Are there better solutions?

So I should ask them to create an automated daily CSV that we can navigate
to and import? This sounds reasonable.

I think I am about to propose this request to them.

Charlie and Teddy:

If you were me is that what you would ask for?

As to minutely updates, I can deal with the occasional opps they sold the
last one they said they had. That will rarely happen and the work to get
them to integrate with me like that is unlikely.

I understand that other competitors can use these services I am asking them
to provide as well. Im ok with that. We charge HIGH!! We have the name, we
are the premier Motorcycle Carburetor Source. We pretty much OWN the
keywords in search engines. Everyone elsedoes all things for all people. We
focus on carbs and our SEO shows it. So Im ok with being beat out price
wise.

Unfortunately this one vendor is the North American Distributor for the
manufacturer that make 80-90% of the product line support for this industry.
I pretty much CAN'T, not support their product line.

Robert P. Reil



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

[Robert Reil]

Good stuff Charlie and all.

I understand what you are saying and how teddy is saying CSV etc.
So am I hearing you say have them provide a CSV? Are there better solutions?

So I should ask them to create an automated daily CSV that we can navigate
to and import? This sounds reasonable.

I think I am about to propose this request to them.

Charlie and Teddy:

If you were me is that what you would ask for?

As to minutely updates, I can deal with the occasional opps they sold the
last one they said they had. That will rarely happen and the work to get
them to integrate with me like that is unlikely.

I understand that other competitors can use these services I am asking them
to provide as well. Im ok with that. We charge HIGH!! We have the name, we
are the premier Motorcycle Carburetor Source. We pretty much OWN the
keywords in search engines. Everyone elsedoes all things for all people. We
focus on carbs and our SEO shows it. So Im ok with being beat out price
wise.

Unfortunately this one vendor is the North American Distributor for the
manufacturer that make 80-90% of the product line support for this industry.
I pretty much CAN'T, not support their product line.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:16 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

I'm saying you would ask them to create a NEW page that take in URL
variables to control what to show, and then not only shows only those
records, but does so in a simpler way (not all that HTML that is designed
for making the site friendly to humans). We're talking about getting them to
create a new page (as you requested), but one to be used (consumed) only by
other web applications, not real people.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

I see where you are going but I don't know if that will work.
The page that posts the data is at:

Take a peek and see. I think it is too many pages and does not show complete
info.
http://www.siriusconinc.com/carb/parts.asp
However I will be looking for part number "K?-" where ? is a variable so
maybe a search that the form is populated with a K in part number may make
it easier. Though I see some undesireables. The only ones I want are:

KH- (32 pages), KK- (7 pages), KS- (8 pages), KY- (13 pages).

What would be the best:
Type of file to have them provide,
Way to filter this info either on provision or on filtering on my end.


Robert P. Reil



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

[Robert Reil]

The capture idea is a reasonable one but that makes more work for us on our
end. Right now we tell the card vendor to process at 11:30 pm daily. And on
the weekends we miss the opportunity to catch these items.

There are no other vendors for this product line. As to adapting... IM
trying a find a way to do that...

It seems they just decided to cut back on products. I have some
understanding of why as the manufacturer has QA problems with the kit
contents, and they only supply the product if it justifies a product run.

Example. It seems obvious that the distributor has a 20 kit minimum but
maybe the Mfr has a 100 kit run minimum. Meaning that 5 distributors may
need to order 20 kits before they will make a product run. I don't know but
this seems to be the pattern.

I don't have a problem with discontinued parts, back orders, etc. I just
need to know what can and can not be supplied.

Data file. Is there an easy way for them to provide this? It sounds as
though this may be realistic.

I understand that you may not advocate data scraping. I can appreciate that
too. But at this time... I want results. If no one gets hurt then to me it
is ethical, moral, and legal unless I hear otherwise. However if you
disagree that's fine. If you find reasons to justify why this is either
illegal, immoral, or inethical then start a new topic in reguards to a reply
to that and I will watch all of you banter back and forth about it. I wont
reply to that as it is at this time not my interest. My interest is in
getting this data to synchronize on some level.

Dave: Your idea of the capture though is a keeper. I will try to find a way
to integrate that into our business model.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Bellevue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:28 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

If their inventory policies changed, then it is up to you to adapt. If they
didn't tell you, then you need to ask. I would expect they didn't change it
only because they needed something to do, but rather did some analysis to
determine what inventory moves the quickest. If it was forced upon them by
the manufacturer, then again, you have to just adapt. Moving forward, you
are going to need a way to get updates for discontinued products,
specification changes, part number changes, etc.

As to collecting at order fulfillment, I meant that you charge your
customers' cards when you know what you can ship, charging only for what you
ship - only capture the card information at the time of sale and process
later. Hold onto the card info for when the backorders are able to be
fulfilled. If the customer cancels, you cancel your order. You might need to
investigate your agreement with your credit card processors
(MasterCard/Visa/Amex/Novus). Because you state something on your web site
doesn't mean it supercedes your agreement with them. 

As to minimums, I was referring to your vendor's statement "If a non stock
item we can order in if Keyster will manufacture - minimum 20 kit order - 3
moths lead time". To me that clearly states a minumum.

If possible, you might consider finding alternative vendors for similar
products.

I have never been an advocate of screen scraping. My suggestion was that
your vendor provides you a data file (text, xml, MS Access, whatever) on a
daily basis for you to use to update your inventory. They may be doing this
for larger customers now.

Thanks,
Dave Bellevue


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:22 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

I can understand your perspective.
However one fact that may or may not be relevant.
They are the North American Distributor for this Japanese Manufactured
product line.

As to thought out etc. They changed their inventory policy and product line
without telling anyone.

It used to work perfect. Now it hardly works at all.
I can take blame where blame is due.
But Im just trying to make things work.
The problem is that when they run out of stock it takes 90 days to restock.
I have no way of knowing what will or wont be available till I order it.

Collect money after order fulfillment? Our business model will not allow it.
There are about 3 million products we support. The industry does NOT expect
us to inventory all this. We have a niche market and the policy of our store
is payment up front, then we order it, then we ship it. Our legal link on
the bottom of any page states our policies.

If an order is cancelled, then restock fees and our expences are covered.
That's just how it has to be. If not I may as well turn off the servers and
get a 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

[Robert Reil]

I see where you are going but I don't know if that will work.
The page that posts the data is at:

Take a peek and see. I think it is too many pages and does not show complete
info.
http://www.siriusconinc.com/carb/parts.asp
However I will be looking for part number "K?-" where ? is a variable so
maybe a search that the form is populated with a K in part number may make
it easier. Though I see some undesireables. The only ones I want are:

KH- (32 pages), KK- (7 pages), KS- (8 pages), KY- (13 pages).

What would be the best:
Type of file to have them provide,
Way to filter this info either on provision or on filtering on my end.


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:09 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

Robert, are you familiar with the CFHTTP tag? It's a CFML tag that allows
you to point at any web page and pull its results into a variable. The
thinking here (if you don't use web services) is to have them offer a page
which accepts whatever input you need to be able to give them, and it give
back its result. You can then create a page on your site that does the
CFHTTP passing in the needed data and get back your desired result. That
page could return HTML, or a CSV, and more. 

Now, you're talking about doing it a couple times a day, but I'm proposing
instead that you could do it on the fly when the order is placed. Then
you're getting more up to date info. There's no guarantee, of course, that
between the time you check and then do place the order that the part may be
gone. Other than doing just doing the check one more time immediately before
ordering, doing something more elaborate (where the part is placed on hold
on their end, for at least a couple minutes, and released if you don't buy)
is doable but certainly a lot more work on their end.

If you do for some reason just want to stick with checking once or twice a
day, and updating your DB instead, you could also set up a scheduled task on
your server (CFSCHEDULE or the admin interface) to do run this page doing
the CFHTTP.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:29 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

Charlie, and Dave:

Thanks for your replies.

I am intrigued that you guys eluded to the possibility of using an ASP
results file to data scrape.

The real question is what is the easiest and most reasonable way to:
List Part numbers and their availability, where:

PN = Yes/no

I wish I could do the following:
Give a page of code to them.
Know how to scrape it once it was pulled.
Have it automated twice a day to update the status in our DB.

This would do 2 things.
Keep the DB in Sync with the distributor Post to me when new part numbers
are available.
They should have about 2-4k items.

Is having them post it on HTML reasonable?
Could a CSV be generated on their end?

Ideas?

The end result needs to be an automated solution to keep in sync.




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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

[Robert Reil]

but the vendor should know that it is
their responsibility to notify all the people who want to buy their products if
their product is available

 

... THANK YOU...

 

You feel my pain I see...

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:51
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?



 

Robert,
All that you are referring to is best served as a webservice as Charlie had
suggested.  HTML is a very poor container for data.  CF can consume
webservices created by other technologies, so the ASP aspect is not too
relevant.  The only caveat to the webservice is the type of webservice
whther it is SOAP or REST.  Currently, I believe CF supports SOAP
only.  This may sound like gibberish, but the vendor should know that it
is their responsibility to notify all the people who want to buy their products
if their product is available.  

If they want to assist more resellers, it would probably serve them well to
have sort of process to cover this issue.

If I was a distributor, I would offer webservices for various notifications and
reseller portals to check stock inventory.  It goes in line with any
commerce site question: 

What do you have?
Is it available?
How long to restock?
When I can I get it?
How can you ship it?
How much does it cost?
How much is shipping and handling?
Do I need to pay tax?

You get the point.  It sounds like both parties are right and wrong. 
If you reason with them on the bottom line of we want to give you more
business, then one would expect expect that they should ask you, "what can
we do to earn your business?" 

Companies show favoritism to larger clients.  You cannot avoid this. 
Good companies will sell you one cigar or 10,000 cigars and treat you the same
way.  That is good business.

$.02 here.

Teddy

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem HOW TO?

[Robert Reil]

Charlie, and Dave:

Thanks for your replies.

I am intrigued that you guys eluded to the possibility of using an ASP
results file to data scrape.

The real question is what is the easiest and most reasonable way to:
List Part numbers and their availability, where:

PN = Yes/no

I wish I could do the following:
Give a page of code to them.
Know how to scrape it once it was pulled.
Have it automated twice a day to update the status in our DB.

This would do 2 things.
Keep the DB in Sync with the distributor
Post to me when new part numbers are available.
They should have about 2-4k items.

Is having them post it on HTML reasonable?
Could a CSV be generated on their end?

Ideas?

The end result needs to be an automated solution to keep in sync.


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 
---

Dave Bellevue also replied with the thought of:
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If your vendor is hesitant to give you access to their servers, ask them to
provide a daily file to you to update your inventory, giving them access to
your server.
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-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:37 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

Robert, if I understand, you're asking them to expose some data to you in a
form that some current web page doesn't suffice, right? And you're asking
them to either create a new web page for you to scrape, or grant you
security to be able to have a local DSN that points at their remote
database. I can see why they may be reluctant on the latter.

As for the former, this is a good case for using web services instead. You
could instead ask them to expose some data as a web service, where you pass
in your product ID and get back its availability. It's just much cleaner
than you scraping a web page that they expose. Places like Amazon and many
others do it, to solve these very problems. Still, if they're not familiar
with it (and I sense they aren't), then it may be an uphill battle.  And if
you aren't either, then it may also be too much to chew on.

That said, yes, if they just would expose a page that takes in a stock
number and reports if it's available, that would solve your problem, right?
Just have them return the barest HTML, like "true" or "false". That will
simplify things on both ends. 

There was a lot to digest there, so I may have missed something. 

I think we will officially call Friday's "Roberts Day" from now on. :-) For
those who miss the joke, Robert has tended to bring up topics that have led
to significant interchange. I noticed that they tended to be on Thurs and
Fri, and he said at the last meeting that it's because those are the days he
gets freed up from running the business to consider the technical
challenges.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:45 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

For a good laugh on how not to run a business read this.
Read from the bottom up for a laugh, and please advise me if I am correct in
my assumptions that my proposal would work...

Respectfully...

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com

Thanks Martin:

Both ways is how I meant it. 

There are securities that can be set up as described below that Svetlana may
not be considering.

You would own and hold the page secure and Svetlana would authorize the
page. 

Once the page is built and authorized we just call the page.

Is it possible for me to email her to further discuss the technicalities of
doing such?

I think the 2 of us talking tech for a couple letters would yield a secure
win-win solution.

You can forward the following for her to better understand where we are
coming from and our end goal.

-

Svetlana:

We are using a ColdFusion driven JAVA cart named AbleCommerce.

AbleCommerce is able to HOST many stores. But we only use one store, as we
are not a Store Hosting Company.

Using this feature we have had to assign unavailable products to a store
with a different ID than our store.

This results in the ability to toggle on and off the unavailable products.

What we would like to be able to do is to do a stored procedure in our MySQL
server to go to Martin's Database.

You set up the securities so that all the customer (we) can do is run a
SELECT statement. (Martin: Select means view only)

You would give us an account and password and that is all we have to even
get the results of 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

[Robert Reil]

I can understand your perspective.
However one fact that may or may not be relevant.
They are the North American Distributor for this Japanese Manufactured
product line.

As to thought out etc. They changed their inventory policy and product line
without telling anyone.

It used to work perfect. Now it hardly works at all.
I can take blame where blame is due.
But Im just trying to make things work.
The problem is that when they run out of stock it takes 90 days to restock.
I have no way of knowing what will or wont be available till I order it.

Collect money after order fulfillment? Our business model will not allow it.
There are about 3 million products we support. The industry does NOT expect
us to inventory all this. We have a niche market and the policy of our store
is payment up front, then we order it, then we ship it. Our legal link on
the bottom of any page states our policies.

If an order is cancelled, then restock fees and our expences are covered.
That's just how it has to be. If not I may as well turn off the servers and
get a job. We NEVER have a problem with customer satisfaction in this area.
Go to any cycle dealership and ask for a part. Standard reply is "pay up, we
will call you in 2 weeks when the part arrives". So this is nothing new to
customers.

Our agreement is that we are a Dealer account for their wholesale product
verbally. That's it, that's all. There are no min orders.

The problem with representing the product but not taking payment is one in
which we are using AbleCommerce and I cant seem to find a way to manage this
variable. So I am trying to do this within the framework of the tools we
have.

As to altering our business process I am all for that... I don't care who's
right or wrong etc. I just need a solution. The question is... HOW? That's
the whole reason for this thread as I am HUMBLING my self enough to realize
I DON'T know it all and I may have overlooked an easier way.

As to HOW. I will reply to Charlies email shortly for better understanding.

Thank Dave for your perspective.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Bellevue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:40 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

 
Well, I don't post here much, but have to speak up

>From what I read, this should all have been thought out and documented
BEFORE you posted a site. You're dealing with a common vendor problem. On
one hand, you want to sell the vendor's product but you're depending on the
vendor to bear the cost of stocking the items you want to sell. If there's
an agreement to that end, fine. But, is it really the vendor's
responsibility to do that? Do your sales of their products make it
beneficial to them to hold inventory just for you? It's also not their
responsibility to manage your PO's.

It sounds as though you're dealing with a wholesaler and have to meet
quantity minimums to by products. Is there some reason that you should not
be subject to those minimums? If so, I'd think again, it would have been
discussed and documented before now.

You could solve the issue of credit card charges by not charging the
customer for back ordered items in the first place, assuming you know your
vendor's inventory levels (but that appears to be the basis of the problem).
Alternatively, you could charge the customer's card manually before you
ship. I think if you read your credit card agreements, there is a
requirement that product is shipped within a specific amount of time after
the card is authorized.

If your vendor is hesitant to give you access to their servers, ask them to
provide a daily file to you to update your inventory, giving them access to
your server.

You're expecting your vendor to mold their processes to accommodate you.
IMHO, you need to be a little more humble here, and alter YOUR business
processes to work better with your vendor(s). Unless, of course, you're
their largest customer.

Thank,

Dave Bellevue


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:45 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

For a good laugh on how not to run a business read this.
Read from the bottom up for a laugh, and please advise me if I am correct in
my assumptions that my proposal would work...

Respectfully...

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com

Thanks Martin:

Both ways is how I meant it. 

There are securities t

[ACFUG Discuss] Vendor Data Problem (funny)

[Robert Reil]

For a good laugh on how not to run a business read this.
Read from the bottom up for a laugh, and please advise me if I am correct in
my assumptions that my proposal would work...

Respectfully...

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

Thanks Martin:

Both ways is how I meant it. 

There are securities that can be set up as described below that Svetlana may
not be considering.

You would own and hold the page secure and Svetlana would authorize the
page. 

Once the page is built and authorized we just call the page.

Is it possible for me to email her to further discuss the technicalities of
doing such?

I think the 2 of us talking tech for a couple letters would yield a secure
win-win solution.

You can forward the following for her to better understand where we are
coming from and our end goal.

-

Svetlana:

We are using a ColdFusion driven JAVA cart named AbleCommerce.

AbleCommerce is able to HOST many stores. But we only use one store, as we
are not a Store Hosting Company.

Using this feature we have had to assign unavailable products to a store
with a different ID than our store.

This results in the ability to toggle on and off the unavailable products.

What we would like to be able to do is to do a stored procedure in our MySQL
server to go to Martin's Database.

You set up the securities so that all the customer (we) can do is run a
SELECT statement. (Martin: Select means view only)

You would give us an account and password and that is all we have to even
get the results of the SELECT privilege.

You would further only be giving us access to 

SELECT

PARTNO (of that table)

INVENTORY STATUS (of that table).

I am positive you can secure this info in the User Security portion of your
DB program.

You see you have the ability to say what username and password can get in.
And once in that user can only view the above mentioned items.

With the DB location, name, username, and password we should be able to have
our Stored Procedure call the PartNumber, and its status (in stock, not in
stock)

Theory is that if we can run this SP say twice a day then we will know what
Martin has in stock. And have that logic toggle that item in our store to
being in or out of inventory in our store.

This is basically all I need.

However some less sophisticated companies may want to have something similar
based on an ASP that you generate to have in their site.

Alternatively if you can not or will not we could create a page on our site
with a snippet of code that calls your ASP content as a frame or cell
content if possible.

But it would not allow the items to be listed in our cart or searchable on
our site, and many sales opportunities would be lost. 
---
Thanks for listening Martin...

I hope that you can see the win-win in this and that Svetlana can understand
the simplicity and security functions of Database Applications.

Robert P. Reil

From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:53 PM
To: Robert Reil
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I beg you. Please dont read this till you have a clear mind.

Hi Robert...I will agree to the second paragraph

Hi Martin,

Not sure I understand what  he is talking about. To
give access to the database to other companies could
not be save, because they can delete all data or
change prices or something else. I would strongly
recommend NOT give access to the database to others. 

On opposite side if they need to create some asp page
with specific information, or have already created asp
page and they want to put it to our server and that
page will access our database - it could be done. 
But that page will be on our server and they will not
have access to the code on that page after
implementing on our server.

Thanks,
Svetlana 

- Original Message - 

From: Robert Reil 
To: Martin 
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: I beg you. Please dont read this till you have a clear mind.

Thanks so much Martin. This is more than fair. Finally some forward
progress.

I look forward to hearing what is said by Svetlana.

Thank you.

Robert P. Reil

From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:44 PM
To: Robert Reil
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I beg you. Please dont read this till you have a clear mind.

Robert I am not blowing you off to Harry, I pay Harry almost 100k/ year to
run things, Harry does most of the web updates and I have forwarded your
e-mail to my web girl...believe me I want nothing more than NOT to be out of
stock of kits.Harry hears about it from me dailyI will wait to here
back from what Svetlana says and Harry abo

[ACFUG Discuss] appheader.cfm and tags

[Robert Reil]

I asked the question;

" Also we have come to realize that Google SEO takes points for not having a
 tag on the head of a page." To an AbleCommerce accessory vendor that
we have done business in the past with. Of which he replied:

"You can also put a  tag at the top of the appheader.cfm so it displays
at the top of every page.  Or put it into application.cfm to be sure that it
is the first element output.  Just make sure that if it is between
 tags that you wrap it in
 tags."

If I do this will I end up with double entry tags, tags on pages that don't
need tags etc? Will this be sloppy practice or will it work out just fine?


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

[Robert Reil]

Ohhh got me with real bullets.. 



Ok Ill learn to google.

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-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:30 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

Hmm. How should I answer "what's POI"?

I could answer in my best Leslie Nielsen voice, from Airplane: "it's a
traditional Hawaiian food made from ground up taro leaves, but that's not
important right now..."

Or I could do my helpful Charlie voice and point to you to
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ 

Or I could do the RTFM voice and say that dropping that acronym into Google
would have pointed that link out as its first result. :-)

Seriously, Robert, I realize that you may have feared (as we discussed last
week) that you couldn't reasonably expect that a search for that term alone
would have been useful, but in this case it was, and you'd see it refers to
some of the terms mentioned in the thread so far (ole 2, pdf, etc.). So
searching even for a moment is indeed always worth a try. :-)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:06 PM
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Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

Whats a POI?

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-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:46 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

For those wondering about the context of this discussion, it was moved over
from the community list. Here was the first message in the thread, to which
these are replies:

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Ive added the poi scratchpad jar so i have access to word ole2 stuff. 
> I
initially was getting the error seen 
> here john.lyons-den.org. once i fixed the file input stream, I have a
valid poi HDFDocument object. I need to out that object as a pdf any
suggestions? 


/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:11 PM
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Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

yes:poi-scratchpad-2.5.1-final-20040804.jar

exposes the hdf classes.





On 8/17/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do not think too many people are going to know how to use the POI library.

Which library JAR did you use?  The one from Apache?

Teddy





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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

[Robert Reil]

Whats a POI?

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-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:46 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

For those wondering about the context of this discussion, it was moved over
from the community list. Here was the first message in the thread, to which
these are replies:

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Ive added the poi scratchpad jar so i have access to word ole2 stuff. I
initially was getting the error seen 
> here john.lyons-den.org. once i fixed the file input stream, I have a
valid poi HDFDocument object. I need to out that object as a pdf any
suggestions? 


/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:11 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] POI

yes:poi-scratchpad-2.5.1-final-20040804.jar

exposes the hdf classes.





On 8/17/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do not think too many people are going to know how to use the POI library.

Which library JAR did you use?  The one from Apache?

Teddy





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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] White Space In Source Code

[Robert Reil]

Teddy: Jared will be out till Wednesday
but we are running 6.x

 



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From: Teddy Payne
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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:34
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] White
Space In Source Code



 

Jared,
Well, we would need to know what version of ColdFusion you are running. 
There is a handy application file that can achieve this cleanly and elegantly.

With the ColdFusion MX 7, application.cfc makes this task simple: 

In your application.cfc file you can have the following:



    
    
    
    

    



pathToHeader/someHeaderPage.cfm can be any file in your web root, but what it
will do is at the beginning of every page request, it will include the header
which can contain your  page. 

The application.cfc file typically is at the root folder of where your
application starts.

Teddy



On 8/11/06, Jared Rapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:







Okay…that definitely helped our site get rid of all that
whitespace. Thanks for the help guys! 

 

But here's a new challenge for us.I was wondering if you guys
could help us get something going at the top of all our pages. We need to put a
 tag at the top of all of our pages eventually…but there are s
many pages. Is there a way to globally apply that  tag to all of our
pages from the CF admin? I know that HTML and CF are embedded to one another,
so is there some kind of script / setting that we can make / change to make a
 tag appear on all of our pages? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again guys for the help earlier. 

 

It's almost time for me to cf_signout from work hah…that
was lame I know. Happy Friday everyone.

 









From: Robert
 Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:27
PM






To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] White
Space In Source Code







 

WOW guys! This is awesome.

 

I could have googled it but in the past I have found that my
selection of keywords if poor as I don't yet know the language to search in.

So its just easier with my insane schedule to just ASK. I was
always taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question except the one
not asked...

So I asked.

 

This is all exciting news as now we have efficient info to
study to decide the best solution.

 

Charlie, Dean, I know Im a pain on here sometimes but I am
really trying to find my way. (or maybe Im just "trying" your
patience.)

 

Either way THANKS TO ALL!

You guys (and gals) ROCK!

 



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From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:05
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] White
Space In Source Code



 

Robert, there are many solutions, 3 specific tags, 2 tags
with related output control, one admin console setting, a new feature in
CFMX 7 that might be helpful, and a couple of approaches not related to CFML.
Pardon the few paragraphs to explain it all, but each has difference nuances
and indeed offers varying levels of suppression and has slightly varying
purpose (which reflect the evolution of CFML over time). 

 

First, there are 3 tags:

 

<cfprocessingdirective
suppresswhitespace="Yes">



 





    ... do whatever








 





It's described as controlling "whether to suppress white space
characters within the cfprocessingdirective block that are generated by CFML
tags and often do not affect HTML appearance. Does not affect any white space
in HTML code.". That's its intent, anyway. I
think people have had varying experience, but I could be wrong.





 





Note that with that tag you MUST offer a closing
tag--and it has to be in one template, can't be split with one in the
application.cfm, and the closing in the onrequestend.cfm.  :-)





 







Still another tag is <CFSILENT >.
It's described as, "Suppresses output produced by CFML within a tag's scope.
". Again, this is a paired tag and both must be in a single template
(can't be split up).







 





An older form is:





 





<cfsetting enablecfoutputonly ="Yes">





 





which doesn't require a closing tag. With it, then the ONLY
output generated from the CFML page (including HTML tags and static text) will
be that placed within a CFOUTPUT statement. Again, even to write out an html
tag and/or static text, you'd need to wrap it (or a big block of it) in a
CFOUTPUT. This often confuses people, either because they forget it's on and
wonder, "where's my text"? Or they turn it on int

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] White Space In Source Code

[Robert Reil]

d). I wrote about them in a Feb 2003 CFDJ article, "Fun
with Filters", at http://cfdj.sys-con.com/read/41574.htm.





 





(Actually, that reminds me that in CFMX 7,
you could also do something like that (manually remove excessive whitespace) in
the new application.cfc onrequestend method.)





 





And last but not least, as John talked
about at the ACFUG meeting, you could also ask the web server to do gzip
compression of all (or some) pages. Note that this does not REMOVE the
whitespace, but it compresses the page so that during transfer from server to
client the penalty of it is lessened. It's worth noting that the whitespace
will still remain in the browser, and while browsers generally ignore it, it
still could impact the speed with which the browser page loads (and possibly
other behavior, since again the whitespace is indeed still there.)





 





Hope that helps. 





 





 



/charlie

http://www.carehart.org/blog/



 



 







From:
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Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:18
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] White
Space In Source Code

Is there a way to have CF output a page
with no whitespace in the source code?

 



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[ACFUG Discuss] White Space In Source Code

[Robert Reil]

Is there a way to have CF output a page
with no whitespace in the source code?

 



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

GUI SVN! 

 

Im a GUI guy (not gooey Preesh).

Do these SVN’s provide the
functionality that everyone is talking about in the regular SVN?

What are my GUI options for this service?

I have to have a Windows based utility, 

I also prefer one that is IIS friendly.

But I’m ok with going to Apache as
long as it is windows based in order to take advantage of some functionality.

 

So now we have 

Cameron: http://svn1clicksetup.tigris.org/

AXUnderwood: http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/  and
its older sibling http://tortoisecvs.org/.

    These
are sweet clients for using these services.  I've been really liking
Eclipses support lately myself.

 

Trying to read into this it seems that
Camerons link is a link to a quick install of Tortoise, but then looking at the
tortoise links it seems that they may be different.

 

This is god stuff guys! Keep up the
banter!!

 



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From:
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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006
8:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 



Tortise SVN is an awesome windows
integration tool - you don't have to use command line...





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Robert
 Reil
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
4:55 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.

Tortoise

 



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From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
4:37 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

Not sure, it is command
line on linux... that much i know.. course the only command you need to know is
create and the rest is managed through something like TortoiseSVN



On 8/8/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







U was going to put this on the Win Dev Server. 

What work arounds will I encounter?

 

I can see already that I will probably have to load Apache to
use this.

 

Is this a command line only tool? No GUI?





 



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From: Steven
Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
2:32 PM






To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG
Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.







 

I posted a blog entry about setting up a fedora box
and getting SVN going:

easy stuff... course now I'm liking ubuntu, but the basic commands stay the
same (except you use apt instead of yum) and some config files are in different
places. 

http://www.zerium.com/zerium/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=63467E64-E1E5-119E-19FA55A04B20E4F3




On
8/8/06, Robert Reil
<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Doug:

 

You did not hijack my thread. I opened it up for debate and I
just stood back and absorbed. It seems that the debate provided a general
consensus of SVN.

I appreciate the candid banter and absorbed a lot from it.

 

Objective fulfilled! 

 

Thanks again.





 



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From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:42
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

thank you Jeremy!  As Charlie pointed out, it
would be  a good blog post to get consumed.

Robert, we kind of hijakced your thread, but this is some good fudge for your
version control sundae you will be eating!

I made a couple in line comments below.

I'll add one thing I really hate about CVS, you can't export a module from teh
repository to a existing directory where you exported the module
previously.  CVS will not overwrite files.  This forced us to
checkout working copies on our prod server.  No biggie, we are a intranet
only team, but a pain. 

DK



On
8/7/06, Jeremy Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



THe
points for SVN go like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the
contents of the repository as a whole with a version numb

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

Tortoise

 



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From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
4:37 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

Not sure, it is command
line on linux... that much i know.. course the only command you need to know is
create and the rest is managed through something like TortoiseSVN



On 8/8/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







U was going to put this on the Win Dev Server. 

What work arounds will I encounter?

 

I can see already that I will probably have to load Apache to
use this.

 

Is this a command line only tool? No GUI?





 



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From: Steven
Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
2:32 PM






To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG
Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.







 

I posted a blog entry about setting up a fedora box
and getting SVN going:

easy stuff... course now I'm liking ubuntu, but the basic commands stay the
same (except you use apt instead of yum) and some config files are in different
places. 

http://www.zerium.com/zerium/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=63467E64-E1E5-119E-19FA55A04B20E4F3




On
8/8/06, Robert Reil
<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Doug:

 

You did not hijack my thread. I opened it up for debate and I
just stood back and absorbed. It seems that the debate provided a general
consensus of SVN.

I appreciate the candid banter and absorbed a lot from it.

 

Objective fulfilled! 

 

Thanks again.





 



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Managing Director,

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Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:42
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

thank you Jeremy!  As Charlie pointed out, it
would be  a good blog post to get consumed.

Robert, we kind of hijakced your thread, but this is some good fudge for your
version control sundae you will be eating!

I made a couple in line comments below.

I'll add one thing I really hate about CVS, you can't export a module from teh
repository to a existing directory where you exported the module
previously.  CVS will not overwrite files.  This forced us to
checkout working copies on our prod server.  No biggie, we are a intranet
only team, but a pain. 

DK



On
8/7/06, Jeremy Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



THe
points for SVN go like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the
contents of the repository as a whole with a version number. That to me is what
makes SVN so much better. 






We use tags in CVS for this.  Works fine, but certainly doesn't tie in
with the version of a file.  This is a interesting concept.  This
means a file that was created as teh first file in your tree and never edited
for 5 years still has the version listed at the max of all file versions, eh? 





 



SVN is
easier to manage. This is a personal opinion but my experiences bear this one out.
The command line for SVN is much more intuitive. 

SVN allows for you to delete and rearrange branches. This is HUGE. Deleting
folders in CVS is plain not possible. CVSs delete functionality is just lacking
in every way. 








yes, this is a major PITA for sure in CVS.  Most clients hide this issue
by 'pruning' empty dirs.  





 



Directories
have revision numbers too. Everything in the system behaves consistently and
there are no surprises or differences to deal with with different types of
entities in the system as there is with CVS. 

SVN has no special functionality for branching, merging, or tagging. It is all
implemented using the same functionality so how you arrange your repository is
up to you. The cost of these operations in SVN is constant O(1) which is great
compared to CVS and its slowness with many of these operations, especially on
larger codebases. 








branching and merging is a major PITA, luckily we rarely do it.  The team
of 10 here usually works on seperate projects.





 



That is
all I can remember off the top of my head. I know there are a couple of other
good points somewhere in

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

U was going to put this on the Win Dev
Server. 

What work arounds will I encounter?

 

I can see already that I will probably
have to load Apache to use this.

 

Is this a command line only tool? No GUI?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
2:32 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

I posted a blog entry
about setting up a fedora box and getting SVN going:

easy stuff... course now I'm liking ubuntu, but the basic commands stay the
same (except you use apt instead of yum) and some config files are in different
places. 

http://www.zerium.com/zerium/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=63467E64-E1E5-119E-19FA55A04B20E4F3





On 8/8/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







Doug:

 

You did not hijack my thread. I opened it up for debate and I
just stood back and absorbed. It seems that the debate provided a general
consensus of SVN.

I appreciate the candid banter and absorbed a lot from it.

 

Objective fulfilled! 

 

Thanks again.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:42
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

thank you Jeremy!  As Charlie pointed out, it
would be  a good blog post to get consumed.

Robert, we kind of hijakced your thread, but this is some good fudge for your
version control sundae you will be eating!

I made a couple in line comments below.

I'll add one thing I really hate about CVS, you can't export a module from teh
repository to a existing directory where you exported the module
previously.  CVS will not overwrite files.  This forced us to
checkout working copies on our prod server.  No biggie, we are a intranet
only team, but a pain. 

DK



On
8/7/06, Jeremy Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



THe
points for SVN go like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the contents
of the repository as a whole with a version number. That to me is what makes
SVN so much better. 






We use tags in CVS for this.  Works fine, but certainly doesn't tie in
with the version of a file.  This is a interesting concept.  This
means a file that was created as teh first file in your tree and never edited
for 5 years still has the version listed at the max of all file versions, eh? 





 



SVN is
easier to manage. This is a personal opinion but my experiences bear this one
out. The command line for SVN is much more intuitive. 

SVN allows for you to delete and rearrange branches. This is HUGE. Deleting
folders in CVS is plain not possible. CVSs delete functionality is just lacking
in every way. 








yes, this is a major PITA for sure in CVS.  Most clients hide this issue
by 'pruning' empty dirs.  





 



Directories
have revision numbers too. Everything in the system behaves consistently and
there are no surprises or differences to deal with with different types of
entities in the system as there is with CVS. 

SVN has no special functionality for branching, merging, or tagging. It is all
implemented using the same functionality so how you arrange your repository is
up to you. The cost of these operations in SVN is constant O(1) which is great
compared to CVS and its slowness with many of these operations, especially on
larger codebases. 








branching and merging is a major PITA, luckily we rarely do it.  The team
of 10 here usually works on seperate projects.





 



That is
all I can remember off the top of my head. I know there are a couple of other
good points somewhere in there that favor SVN. Sure a lot of these are small
things but add them up and it makes SVN much better to work with. So if you are
starting from scratch why bother with CVS? Unless you have very specific
interoperability requirements or you are already really experienced with CVS
from a management perspective I recommend using SVN. Its not just about solving
"issues" with CVS. The system is also a bit more cohesive overall.
And I promise you that with a team of 10 developers that consistently write
code every week you WILL have to deal with these "issues" in CVS.
They are common and frequently annoying problems not 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

Doug:

 

You did not hijack my thread. I opened it
up for debate and I just stood back and absorbed. It seems that the debate
provided a general consensus of SVN.

I appreciate the candid banter and
absorbed a lot from it.

 

Objective fulfilled! 

 

Thanks again.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:42
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

thank you Jeremy! 
As Charlie pointed out, it would be  a good blog post to get consumed.

Robert, we kind of hijakced your thread, but this is some good fudge for your
version control sundae you will be eating!

I made a couple in line comments below.

I'll add one thing I really hate about CVS, you can't export a module from teh
repository to a existing directory where you exported the module
previously.  CVS will not overwrite files.  This forced us to checkout
working copies on our prod server.  No biggie, we are a intranet only
team, but a pain. 

DK





On 8/7/06, Jeremy
Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



THe points for SVN go like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the
contents of the repository as a whole with a version number. That to me is what
makes SVN so much better. 






We use tags in CVS for this.  Works fine, but certainly doesn't tie in
with the version of a file.  This is a interesting concept.  This
means a file that was created as teh first file in your tree and never edited
for 5 years still has the version listed at the max of all file versions, eh? 





 



SVN is easier to manage. This is a personal opinion but my experiences
bear this one out. The command line for SVN is much more intuitive. 

SVN allows for you to delete and rearrange branches. This is HUGE. Deleting
folders in CVS is plain not possible. CVSs delete functionality is just lacking
in every way. 








yes, this is a major PITA for sure in CVS.  Most clients hide this issue
by 'pruning' empty dirs.  





 



Directories have revision numbers too. Everything in the system behaves
consistently and there are no surprises or differences to deal with with
different types of entities in the system as there is with CVS. 

SVN has no special functionality for branching, merging, or tagging. It is all
implemented using the same functionality so how you arrange your repository is
up to you. The cost of these operations in SVN is constant O(1) which is great
compared to CVS and its slowness with many of these operations, especially on
larger codebases. 








branching and merging is a major PITA, luckily we rarely do it.  The team
of 10 here usually works on seperate projects.





 



That is all I can remember off the top of my head. I know there are a
couple of other good points somewhere in there that favor SVN. Sure a lot of
these are small things but add them up and it makes SVN much better to work
with. So if you are starting from scratch why bother with CVS? Unless you have
very specific interoperability requirements or you are already really
experienced with CVS from a management perspective I recommend using SVN. Its not
just about solving "issues" with CVS. The system is also a bit more
cohesive overall. And I promise you that with a team of 10 developers that
consistently write code every week you WILL have to deal with these
"issues" in CVS. They are common and frequently annoying problems not
just edge case things that come up once in a while. 

That said if you already have a lot of experience with CVS or have some
specific requirements SVN may not work out. If this is starting from scratch
and you have not managed CVS or SVN before SVN wins quite easily in my mind.
Why use an inferior system if you have no requirements holding you to it? 

Jeremy





 



On 8/6/06, Charlie
Arehart < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And a good book of
exploration (which also discusses the differences and
benefits over CVS) is "Pragmatic Version Control with Subversion",
which I
have obtained from the publisher and am one chapter from finishing and then 
will write up a review. Someone else had asked me at the meeting about
borrowing it, but after him, you could take it, Doug. Sounds like you're in
no hurry, right? :-)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Cameron
Childress 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

This would be a good subject for a
Wednesday meeting! I know I could use a primer!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:42
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

thank you Jeremy! 
As Charlie pointed out, it would be  a good blog post to get consumed.

Robert, we kind of hijakced your thread, but this is some good fudge for your
version control sundae you will be eating!

I made a couple in line comments below.

I'll add one thing I really hate about CVS, you can't export a module from teh
repository to a existing directory where you exported the module
previously.  CVS will not overwrite files.  This forced us to
checkout working copies on our prod server.  No biggie, we are a intranet
only team, but a pain. 

DK





On 8/7/06, Jeremy
Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



THe points for SVN go like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the
contents of the repository as a whole with a version number. That to me is what
makes SVN so much better. 






We use tags in CVS for this.  Works fine, but certainly doesn't tie in
with the version of a file.  This is a interesting concept.  This
means a file that was created as teh first file in your tree and never edited
for 5 years still has the version listed at the max of all file versions, eh? 





 



SVN is easier to manage. This is a personal opinion but my experiences
bear this one out. The command line for SVN is much more intuitive. 

SVN allows for you to delete and rearrange branches. This is HUGE. Deleting
folders in CVS is plain not possible. CVSs delete functionality is just lacking
in every way. 








yes, this is a major PITA for sure in CVS.  Most clients hide this issue
by 'pruning' empty dirs.  





 



Directories have revision numbers too. Everything in the system behaves
consistently and there are no surprises or differences to deal with with
different types of entities in the system as there is with CVS. 

SVN has no special functionality for branching, merging, or tagging. It is all
implemented using the same functionality so how you arrange your repository is
up to you. The cost of these operations in SVN is constant O(1) which is great
compared to CVS and its slowness with many of these operations, especially on
larger codebases. 








branching and merging is a major PITA, luckily we rarely do it.  The team
of 10 here usually works on seperate projects.





 



That is all I can remember off the top of my head. I know there are a
couple of other good points somewhere in there that favor SVN. Sure a lot of
these are small things but add them up and it makes SVN much better to work
with. So if you are starting from scratch why bother with CVS? Unless you have
very specific interoperability requirements or you are already really
experienced with CVS from a management perspective I recommend using SVN. Its
not just about solving "issues" with CVS. The system is also a bit
more cohesive overall. And I promise you that with a team of 10 developers that
consistently write code every week you WILL have to deal with these "issues"
in CVS. They are common and frequently annoying problems not just edge case
things that come up once in a while. 

That said if you already have a lot of experience with CVS or have some
specific requirements SVN may not work out. If this is starting from scratch
and you have not managed CVS or SVN before SVN wins quite easily in my mind.
Why use an inferior system if you have no requirements holding you to it? 

Jeremy





 



On 8/6/06, Charlie
Arehart < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And a good book of
exploration (which also discusses the differences and
benefits over CVS) is "Pragmatic Version Control with Subversion",
which I
have obtained from the publisher and am one chapter from finishing and then 
will write up a review. Someone else had asked me at the meeting about
borrowing it, but after him, you could take it, Doug. Sounds like you're in
no hurry, right? :-)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Cameron
Childress 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

On 8/6/06, Douglas Knudsen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> righto.  So, in a team of 10 developers that don't seem to run
into
> the

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

Well thanks all.

 

Sounds like SVN is the way to go then for
me.

 

More stuff to learn I guess but you gotta
start somewhere...

 

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Jeremy Allen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:48
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Change Management Options Debate.



 

THe points for SVN go
like this:

Versioning is much more sane and manageable. When I first started using SVN it
was much more bearable to me. Your entire codebase can be encapsulated in one
SVN version number instead of each file having its own version. When I say
version 543 of the codebase with SVN there is no ambiguity about the state of
the system when I say that. CVS has no easy concept of referring to the
contents of the repository as a whole with a version number. That to me is what
makes SVN so much better. 

SVN is easier to manage. This is a personal opinion but my experiences bear
this one out. The command line for SVN is much more intuitive. 

SVN allows for you to delete and rearrange branches. This is HUGE. Deleting
folders in CVS is plain not possible. CVSs delete functionality is just lacking
in every way. 

Directories have revision numbers too. Everything in the system behaves
consistently and there are no surprises or differences to deal with with
different types of entities in the system as there is with CVS. 

SVN has no special functionality for branching, merging, or tagging. It is all
implemented using the same functionality so how you arrange your repository is
up to you. The cost of these operations in SVN is constant O(1) which is great
compared to CVS and its slowness with many of these operations, especially on
larger codebases. 


That is all I can remember off the top of my head. I know there are a couple of
other good points somewhere in there that favor SVN. Sure a lot of these are
small things but add them up and it makes SVN much better to work with. So if
you are starting from scratch why bother with CVS? Unless you have very
specific interoperability requirements or you are already really experienced
with CVS from a management perspective I recommend using SVN. Its not just
about solving "issues" with CVS. The system is also a bit more
cohesive overall. And I promise you that with a team of 10 developers that
consistently write code every week you WILL have to deal with these
"issues" in CVS. They are common and frequently annoying problems not
just edge case things that come up once in a while. 

That said if you already have a lot of experience with CVS or have some
specific requirements SVN may not work out. If this is starting from scratch
and you have not managed CVS or SVN before SVN wins quite easily in my mind.
Why use an inferior system if you have no requirements holding you to it? 

Jeremy



On 8/6/06, Charlie
Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

And a good book of
exploration (which also discusses the differences and
benefits over CVS) is "Pragmatic Version Control with Subversion",
which I
have obtained from the publisher and am one chapter from finishing and then 
will write up a review. Someone else had asked me at the meeting about
borrowing it, but after him, you could take it, Doug. Sounds like you're in
no hurry, right? :-)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cameron
Childress 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:00 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

On 8/6/06, Douglas Knudsen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> righto.  So, in a team of 10 developers that don't seem to run
into
> these 'issues' in CVS that SVN solves, it doesn't seem very economical
> to go through changing, eh? 

All things held equal, I'm always a proponent of using the tools your team
is most familiar and proficient at.  If there aren't any compelling
reasons
for you to change, then don't.

It's just like the age old CF vs [insert other language here]
argument.  No 
reason to change horses midstream if both horses get you there just fine,
and the development teams know one better than the other.  If it
ain't
broke, don't fix it.

I would, however, thoroughly explore the differences and advantages of one 
over the other before dismissing it.  Once that due diligence is
over, make
the educated decision.

-Cameron


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[ACFUG Discuss] Change Management Options Debate.

[Robert Reil]

While I am new to development I have reached a point where I realize that we
have to modify AbleCommerce (our CF based shopping cart) but that Able
continues to revise their product, and create new updated builds.

This is going to become a mess as we go our way with their product and they
go theirs.

What I need to do is manage changes. We have been keeping a log file on
changes but they are only as good as the technician that documents it.
With this being the case I had a discussion last night at the study group
with Teddy, and John that there are many many other options that may be good
for me.

I will need to compare Older AbleCommerce builds with newer ones so I can
see the changes.
Also to save as a base line a certain config as a build once updates are
done. Then examining the AbleCommerce changes integrate them into our code.
Or Vice versa. And this needs to be as simple as possible.

So I respectfully open the floor for debate on what is the best FREEWARE
product for us to manage these ongoing changes.

Note:
These changes would be CFM, CSS, & WZC (AbleCommerce Wizard) files only for
the most part that I can see.
It would also be nice however if certain tables in the DB could be saved
with a build as well if that would be possible. (for cart settings mostly)
We are using CF6 at the moment on a Windows 2K server in MySQL4.1

Let the debate begin!

Thanks!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] if//else algebra on image output.

[Robert Reil]

Well we do that to an extent.

 

The thing is that image1 and image2 are
used in more than just one spot.

We do make a large image and a small image
of both image 1, and 2 automatically.

Just that the formatting wigs out
sometimes and I am trying to control that.

 

Thanks again guys.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:18
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
if//else algebra on image output.



 

Robert,
WriteOutput("" & chr(10)
& chr(13));

The above line is calling an object or structure that returns the path to the
image and then writeoutput makes the image 100x100 and then adds a new line at
the end.

You are right to possibly want to show the real images, but a lot of ecommerce
sites screen their images prior to adding products.  What I mean by screen
is to resize and crop the images so that they are homogenous in their
size.  

A typical approach is to find the max width and height you can have for a
product image and then resize the image to fit in that size.  After that,
you have the same image in its original form as a link to a full size
image.  So kind of like a thumbnail view and then you can click a link to
create a pop-up to see the full size.  So that would be two images for
each product.  The small version and the large version. 

If you just change the height or width of the image, the image will still
render in its original and then it is cropped by the browser.  You can
save bandwidth by providing thumbnails and then loading a larger image. 
Not everyone will click the large image, so you will save bandwidth there. 

Makes sense?

Teddy



On 7/28/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:







My web guy Jared showed me that there were other variables
that were removed for the ht/width incase anyone needed to see this info.





 

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Jared
 Rapp 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:37
PM
To: Robert
 Reil
Subject: WAIT SORRY ABOUT
THAT



 

Here
was the original code…

 

WriteOutput(""
& chr(10) & chr(13));

 

Here
is the NEW code: Notice getImage1Params had been taken out. Sorry about that! L 

 

WriteOutput("" & chr(10)
& chr(13));












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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] if//else algebra on image output.

[Robert Reil]

We add products daily, potentially by the
gobs.

Images are named by partno.jpg.

This leads into what I discussed
yesterday.

 

 

We have 2 images potentially.

The DB has an IMAGE1, and IMAGE2 listing a
path to the image.

Most images are vendor supplied and can be
FTP’d or transferred from cd, or exported from a PDF export and renamed.

Anyways the thought of changing the images
in photoshop by the masses is just too much to manage. 

 

This logic below would solve our problem.

Matter of fact we could take it a step
further and make the X constant of 100pixels to some percentage table width
from client resolution etc, or some variable gotten from some other location.

But starting small here is where I am with
it.

 

I am led to belive from experience that (well
let me try Dean’s width=100 and remove the height.)

 

WELL DEAN IT WORKS!

 

So much for all that logic waste.

 

Thanks!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:03
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
if//else algebra on image output.



 

How often do you add new
products?  How do you upload the images?

Teddy



On 7/28/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







I have an image window called "New Products"

This window calls the image associated with the product.

However to save space I would like to give the image the rule
of being shown at 100px wide no matter what and still be proportionate.

But some images are tall and some wide.

 

I don't think I can call a width and still stay
proportionate.

If my assumption is correct I need to interject logic that
manages proportion.

 

[ACFUG Discuss] if//else algebra on image output.

[Robert Reil]

My web guy Jared showed me that there were
other variables that were removed for the ht/width incase anyone needed to see
this info.

 

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Jared Rapp 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:37
PM
To: Robert
 Reil
Subject: WAIT SORRY ABOUT
THAT



 

Here was the original code…

 

WriteOutput("" & chr(10) & chr(13));

 

Here is the NEW code: Notice getImage1Params had been taken
out. Sorry about that! L

 

WriteOutput("" & chr(10)
& chr(13));

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Been following you silly folks since my
last reply and this is all symantics.

But im glad you are having fun..

 

 

Now what are the pros cons of php cfml? Ohoh!
Did I go there? Lol

No don’t answer that one.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:02
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 


Or we can go with C-esque.  I'm guessing Robert is
getting the point by now.  :)  It's Friday man, my brain has checked
out. 

mcg







 
  
  Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  Sent
  by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  07/28/2006 01:07 PM 
  
   

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discussion@acfug.org

   
  
  
  
  
  
   

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cc


 

   
   

Subject


Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown
logic help?

   
  
   
  
   

 


 

   
  
  
  
 





I'll be nitpicky and say _javascript_-esque syntax = )

believe me if it was at all like java you wouldn't use it!



On 7/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

And CFSCRIPT allows you to use Java-esque syntax.  Some of us like this
syntax, but it's not necessary.  :) 

mcg 





 
  
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  Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  07/27/2006 01:46 PM 
  
   

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cc


 

   
   

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logic help?

   
  
   
  
   

 


 

   
  
  
  
 






Ok, I will try not to confuse you here.

ColdFusion is an interpreted language.  

ColdFusion has tags and functions that give instructions to a Java engine.
 

ColdFusion is a Java application.

You don't need to know Java to be proficient at ColdFusion. 

Teddy

On 7/27/06, Robert
 Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Told you I was new! 

  

Ok so the CF and CFscript wrapper calls Java objects
sometimes is what you are saying. 

I can live with that. 

  

Robert P. Reil 

Managing Director, 

Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW 

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 

Office 770-974-8851 

Fax 770-974-8852 

www.motorcyclecarbs.com








From: Steven
Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:15 PM 


To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?


  

Are you
sure of this? Could they just be referencing the fact that CF is built on java?


Flexible Development Languages 

An
assortment of completely working store templates are provided for you to begin
selling quickly and easily. A variety of templates and code samples are
provided for easy customization of your store's look and feel. Free Development Kit for download 

AbleCommerce
5.5 is written for 3 different languages, and available for Linux or Windows
servers. 


 Microsoft's Asp.Net 1.1 Framework 
 Macromedia's ColdFusion MX Server 
 Macromedia JRun Server (JSP-Java version in beta) 
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 version in beta)


  

On
7/27/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Sure but this Able commerce seems to be a JAVA engine with a
GUI web language wrapped around it. 

From time to time there are multiple languages in any CFM
page. 

  

But hey what do I know? But I'm learning! 

  

Robert P. Reil 

Managing Director, 

Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW 

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 

Office 770-974-8851 

Fax 770-974-8852 

www.motorcyclecarbs.com








From: Dusty Hale [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:26 AM 


To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?


  

Also if
it is CF script a dead give away would be if the file with the code in it had a
file name with a .cfm extension … 

  

Dusty 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Robert
 Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?


  

OK got you. Now I have clarity. 

  

Time to crunch code! 

  

Robert P. Reil 

Managing Director, 

Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW 

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 

Office 770-974-8851 

Fax 770-974-8852 

www.motorcyclecarbs.com








From: Teddy Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?


  

lol
Doug..that was good geek humor :)

We d

[ACFUG Discuss] if//else algebra on image output.

[Robert Reil]

I have an image window called “New
Products”

This window calls the image associated
with the product.

However to save space I would like to give
the image the rule of being shown at 100px wide no matter what and still be
proportionate.

But some images are tall and some wide.

 

I don’t think I can call a width and
still stay proportionate.

If my assumption is correct I need to
interject logic that manages proportion.

 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Told you I was new!

 

Ok so the CF and CFscript wrapper calls
Java objects sometimes is what you are saying.

I can live with that.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
12:15 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

Are you sure of this?
Could they just be referencing the fact that CF is built on java?

Flexible
Development Languages

An
assortment of completely working store templates are provided for you to begin
selling quickly and easily. A variety of templates and code samples are
provided for easy customization of your store's look and feel. Free Development Kit for download 

AbleCommerce
5.5 is written for 3 different languages, and available for Linux or Windows
servers. 


 Microsoft's Asp.Net 1.1 Framework
 Macromedia's ColdFusion MX Server
 Macromedia JRun Server (JSP-Java version in beta)
 Apache Tomcat (JSP-Java
 version in beta)


 



On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







Sure but this Able commerce seems to be a JAVA engine with a
GUI web language wrapped around it.

From time to time there are multiple languages in any CFM
page. 

 

But hey what do I know? But I'm learning!





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
11:26 AM






To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG
Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?







 



Also if
it is CF script a dead give away would be if the file with the code in it had a
file name with a .cfm extension … 

 

Dusty











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
11:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

OK got you. Now I have clarity.

 

Time to crunch code!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
10:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate
image shown logic help?



 

lol
Doug..that was good geek humor :)

We did notice the ";" Robert.  This is a dead giveaway of
cfscript.  Writeoutput can be used in many places, but it is very commonly
used inside of cfscript tags.

Kind of like:


    if FileExists("C:\www\images\picture.gif")
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else if FileExists("C:\www\images\no_picture.gif")

    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
 

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Sure but this Able commerce seems to be a
JAVA engine with a GUI web language wrapped around it.

From time to time there are multiple
languages in any CFM page. 

 

But hey what do I know? But I’m learning!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Dusty Hale
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
11:26 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 



Also if it is CF script a dead give away would be if the file with the
code in it had a file name with a .cfm extension … 

 

Dusty











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
11:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

OK got you. Now I have clarity.

 

Time to crunch code!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:49
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

lol Doug..that was good geek humor :)

We did notice the ";" Robert.  This is a dead giveaway of
cfscript.  Writeoutput can be used in many places, but it is very commonly
used inside of cfscript tags.

Kind of like:


    if FileExists("C:\www\images\picture.gif")
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else if FileExists("C:\www\images\no_picture.gif")

    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
 

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

OK got you. Now I have clarity.

 

Time to crunch code!

 



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Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006
10:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

lol Doug..that was good geek humor :)

We did notice the ";" Robert.  This is a dead giveaway of
cfscript.  Writeoutput can be used in many places, but it is very commonly
used inside of cfscript tags.

Kind of like:


    if FileExists("C:\www\images\picture.gif")
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else if FileExists("C:\www\images\no_picture.gif")

    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
    else
    {
        writeoutput("");
    }
 

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Hmm that’s a realistic perspective
worth considering... But since this is an output template it shouldn’t matter
except I need to do change management to cover AC upgrades.

 



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Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

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From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:06
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

I am saying I don't see a
reason to change your logic here...  your just throwing in more variables.
I would assume that they (ablecommerce) are doing this for some reason this way
and the less alteration the better.



On 7/27/06, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



All you have to do is change this line to point to the unavailable
image:







writeoutput("No Picture Available");





to:

writeoutput(""); 





 



On 7/27/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Is there a way to have an
alternate image called if an image called does not
exist?

For example:
We call out the image path for the image as if it would one day be there.
When we shoot an image as it comes into inventory we place the image in the 
correct directory, and name it the part number.jpg.

We would like to have a default image show if the correct image does not
exist.

Using the string:
**
//'display the right product image 
if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) &
Chr(13));
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2
()) GT 0 ){ 
writeoutput("
objProduct.getImage2Params() & ">");
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); 
}
WriteOutput("");
***
How would you modify this to be able to do that?

I can see that it would be easy to change
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); 
to show a path name but it is VERY easy to add the file name even if it does
not exist up front.

Im thinking that instead of changing
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); 
I should use elseif logic (hmm this is not even CF is it?)
To say if the pic is not available then call a certain image.
If that is not there then do
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); 

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga.
 30152
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Good stuff all of you.

However if I want to put 3 steps in there
the middle step would be 

 correct?

 

I am also a little uneasy about what seems
like multiple languages.

It seems that the orgininal code is in
Java (?).

 

How will I imbed the CF into that
language?

 

Ex:






    

    

  
    
    

 


    
     
    
    writeoutput("");


 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:05
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
Alternate image shown logic help?



 

Robert,
Chris has it right with using the FileExists function.  Here is a
definition of the usage of the function: http://techfeed.net/cfQuickDocs/?FileExists

Let's look at what Chris was was demonstrating:








    

    


    
     
    
    






Now you can display whatever you want when a file does not exist, but the
FileExists function can save you some code and make your code more legible. 

Teddy



On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

This would work even
though it is not this other language is the site is a
CF site?

Also I am not quite clear.

If I am reading this right the logic should break down like this:

*
 
if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) & Chr(13));
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2())
GT 0 ){ 
writeoutput("
objProduct.getImage2Params()
& ">");
 
?

}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); }
WriteOutput("");
* 

Or are you saying that this should be structured a different way.
Excuse my ignorance as I am a total newbie and this is my first real attempt
at logic manipulation.

Can you explain further?


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga.
 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:14 AM 
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

You can use FileExists(absolute_path) in an if statement.

Eg.
 





Chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:28 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

Is there a way to have an alternate image called if an image called does
not exist?

For example:
We call out the image path for the image as if it would one day be 
there.
When we shoot an image as it comes into inventory we place the image in
the correct directory, and name it the part number.jpg.

We would like to have a default image show if the correct image does not 
exist.

Using the string:
**
//'display the right product image
if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) &
Chr(13)); 
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2())
GT 0 ){
writeoutput("
objProduct.getImage2Params () & ">");
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); }
WriteOutput("");
***
How would you modify this to be able to do that? 

I can see that it would be easy to change
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); to show a path name
but it is VERY easy to add the file name even if it does not exist up 
front.

Im thinking that instead of changing
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available"); I should use elseif
logic (hmm this is not even CF is it?) To say if the pic is not 
available then call a certain image.
If that is not there then do
}else{
writeoutput("No
Picture Available");

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga.
 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

This would work even though it is not this other language is the site is a
CF site?

Also I am not quite clear.

If I am reading this right the logic should break down like this:

*

if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) & Chr(13));
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2()) GT 0 ){
writeoutput("");
 
?

}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available"); }
WriteOutput("");
*

Or are you saying that this should be structured a different way.
Excuse my ignorance as I am a total newbie and this is my first real attempt
at logic manipulation.

Can you explain further?


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:14 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

You can use FileExists(absolute_path) in an if statement.

Eg. 






Chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:28 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

Is there a way to have an alternate image called if an image called does
not exist?

For example:
We call out the image path for the image as if it would one day be
there.
When we shoot an image as it comes into inventory we place the image in
the correct directory, and name it the part number.jpg.

We would like to have a default image show if the correct image does not
exist.

Using the string:
**
//'display the right product image
if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) & Chr(13));
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2()) GT 0 ){
writeoutput("");
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available"); }
WriteOutput("");
***
How would you modify this to be able to do that?

I can see that it would be easy to change 
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available"); to show a path name
but it is VERY easy to add the file name even if it does not exist up
front.

Im thinking that instead of changing
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available"); I should use elseif
logic (hmm this is not even CF is it?) To say if the pic is not
available then call a certain image.
If that is not there then do
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available");

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 


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[ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?

[Robert Reil]

Is there a way to have an alternate image called if an image called does not
exist?

For example:
We call out the image path for the image as if it would one day be there.
When we shoot an image as it comes into inventory we place the image in the
correct directory, and name it the part number.jpg.

We would like to have a default image show if the correct image does not
exist.

Using the string:
**
//'display the right product image
if ( intImagePos EQ 3 ){
WriteOutput("" & Chr(10) & Chr(13));
//'show image
if( Len(objProduct.getImage2()) GT 0 ){
writeoutput("");
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available");
}
WriteOutput("");
***
How would you modify this to be able to do that?

I can see that it would be easy to change 
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available");
to show a path name but it is VERY easy to add the file name even if it does
not exist up front.

Im thinking that instead of changing
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available");
I should use elseif logic (hmm this is not even CF is it?)
To say if the pic is not available then call a certain image.
If that is not there then do
}else{
writeoutput("No Picture Available");

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT MACQU ARIUM: August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space

[Robert Reil]

Very good. Now I see it. Thanks Charlie.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:13 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT
MACQUARIUM: August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space

On the announcements list. There are two different lists, one for
announcements and one for discussions. I was referring here to the
announcement I had sent earlier today to the announcements list. I had
confirmed that it had been received by a couple folks before sending that
note. 

If you're on the announcements list and just hadn't gotten it, then be
patient. Email delivery is non-deterministic. If you are not on the
announcements list, see the link that I offered in the first paragraph
(trying to forestall such confusion.)

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:22 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT
MACQUARIUM: August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space

" (See the announcement for how we pleasantly dealt with the surprise.)"

Where was the announcement? I didn't see that.


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:50 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT MACQUARIUM:
August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space


*** we interrupt this mailing list discussion for an important news bulletin
from your ACFUG board ***

Folks, pardon me using the discussion list but just in case any here are not
on the announcements list
(http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=mailinglists.info), this is important
info, and also I want to open the floor to more than what was said in the
announcement.

First, please note that we are NO LONGER MEETING AT THE MACQUARIUM. It's a
real shame, but we've lost our sponsor there (she left the company), and
while we thought we had arranged another sponsor there, that proved not to
be the case, as those who came to the July meeting so clearly learned. (See
the announcement for how we pleasantly dealt with the surprise.)

Second, this month's meeting (next Wednesday) will be held at the offices of
FusionLink, our host and the company of board member (and this month's
speaker) John Mason. Thanks, John! He has also graciously arranged to cover
the cost of parking in that building's underground lot. Even so, taking
Marta may be "smarta" to avoid traffic. :-)

More information on John's office location is at:

http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=home.meetinglocation&eventid=159

Finally, that is only a temporary location. We realize that most prefer not
to meet downtown, for various reasons (traffic, costs, etc.). Further, we've
found that most attending the meetings come from the north, or are at least
comfortable with heading north of the city, so the board has again been
investigating alternatives this past month and have some good propositions,
with more still to come.

If anyone knows any other facilities, drop me a note off-list (let's not
flood the list with such ideas, as we may get duplicates and indeed we may
have already looked into ones that would be recommended.) I don't mind
responding to each who writes me to let you know if your idea has already
been considered. Thanks for your patience.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT MACQU ARIUM: August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space

[Robert Reil]

" (See the announcement for how we pleasantly dealt with the surprise.)"

Where was the announcement? I didn't see that.


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:50 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Reminder: ACFUG meeting is NO LONGER AT MACQUARIUM:
August at FusionLink, beyond that we will need a new space


*** we interrupt this mailing list discussion for an important news bulletin
from your ACFUG board ***

Folks, pardon me using the discussion list but just in case any here are not
on the announcements list
(http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=mailinglists.info), this is important
info, and also I want to open the floor to more than what was said in the
announcement.

First, please note that we are NO LONGER MEETING AT THE MACQUARIUM. It's a
real shame, but we've lost our sponsor there (she left the company), and
while we thought we had arranged another sponsor there, that proved not to
be the case, as those who came to the July meeting so clearly learned. (See
the announcement for how we pleasantly dealt with the surprise.)

Second, this month's meeting (next Wednesday) will be held at the offices of
FusionLink, our host and the company of board member (and this month's
speaker) John Mason. Thanks, John! He has also graciously arranged to cover
the cost of parking in that building's underground lot. Even so, taking
Marta may be "smarta" to avoid traffic. :-)

More information on John's office location is at:

http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=home.meetinglocation&eventid=159

Finally, that is only a temporary location. We realize that most prefer not
to meet downtown, for various reasons (traffic, costs, etc.). Further, we've
found that most attending the meetings come from the north, or are at least
comfortable with heading north of the city, so the board has again been
investigating alternatives this past month and have some good propositions,
with more still to come.

If anyone knows any other facilities, drop me a note off-list (let's not
flood the list with such ideas, as we may get duplicates and indeed we may
have already looked into ones that would be recommended.) I don't mind
responding to each who writes me to let you know if your idea has already
been considered. Thanks for your patience.

/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Then what would I do? Oh I guess I could
assign the CF admin as a website. Didn’t think about that.

Good idea!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Cody Wehunt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:59
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

You shouldn’t have to terminal into
the servers to do admin work if your workstation is on the same network, unless
you are purposefully blocking it.

 

Of course you will have to replace the
local host address with the machine name.

 

Cody

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:13
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

OK heres the scenario:

 

There are 3 machines involved in this
equation:

 

Live server. 

 
  Server Product
 :  ColdFusion MX 

 
  Version  : 
6,1,0,63958 

 
  Edition  : 
Standard 

 

   
Operating System   :  Windows 2000 

 

   
MySQL 4.1, Database Name: Carbs

 

Beta Server,

   
Same config.

 

Local machine.

   
Terminal Services to either server

   
Local Dream Weaver install.

   
Live server INETPUB mapped as W:

   
Beta server INETPUB mapped as V:

 

I put the site in
V:/wwwroot/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

If I do CFADMIN work I terminal into the
Live or Beta Server as appropriate.

 

Teddy I totally understand IP and used to
teach TCP/IP for fun and professionally.

The problems I am having are surely not IP
related. If they are “ILL EAT MY HAT!”

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:17
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Robert,
I think we need to take a deep breathe here.

127.0.0.1 is for local development.  Local
development can also be considered a testing server.  A testing server is
a generic term for any location you have a web server and application server
installed.  Now in more formal scenarios, a testing server will resemble
what the production environment would be like.  For large budget
organizations, the testing server is an exact replica of the production box. 

Now for your error.  Which web server are you running and which version of
ColdFusion did you install?

Teddy


On 7/21/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:











Weirder still:

The Admin opened and I noticed that its address is: 

http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm

 

So I don't know what that is all about...

However DNS has been a bit slow in the past couple months, but
we haven't invested in repairing it as we are migrating to a new Win2K3 domain.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:06
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file
'http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm' (or one of its components).
Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are
available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle



 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

"To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites's testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source."

 

Looks like Im stuck on 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Hmm thought this would not be that much
info. 

 

Ok time to reconfigure some things. 

At least RDS is now off on the Production
svr.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:31
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Robert,
Well first thing.  When posting configurations about your environment,
please be more vvague.  I really would not want your network compromised
from giving us too much detail.  I am not inferring anyone on the list
would do such things, but more of the people who may intercept the list.  

So you are locally trying to connect from your local DW to the beta server? Yes?

Teddy






On 7/21/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







OK heres the scenario:

 

There are 3 machines involved in this equation:

 

Live server. 

   
Server Product  :  ColdFusion MX 

   
Version  :  6,1,0,63958 

   
Edition  :  Standard 

 

   
Operating System   :  Windows 2000 

 

   
MySQL 4.1, Database Name: Carbs

 

Beta Server,

   
Same config.

 

Local machine.

   
Terminal Services to either server

   
Local Dream Weaver install.

   
Live server INETPUB mapped as W:

   
Beta server INETPUB mapped as V:

 

I put the site in V:/wwwroot/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

If I do CFADMIN work I terminal into the Live or Beta Server
as appropriate.

 

Teddy I totally understand IP and used to teach TCP/IP for
fun and professionally.

The problems I am having are surely not IP related. If they
are "ILL EAT MY HAT!"

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:17
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Robert,
I think we need to take a deep breathe here.

127.0.0.1
is for local development.  Local development can also be considered a
testing server.  A testing server is a generic term for any location you
have a web server and application server installed.  Now in more formal
scenarios, a testing server will resemble what the production environment would
be like.  For large budget organizations, the testing server is an exact
replica of the production box. 

Now for your error.  Which web server are you running and which version of
ColdFusion did you install?

Teddy


On 7/21/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:











Weirder still:

The Admin opened and I noticed that its address is: 

http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm

 

So I don't know what that is all about...

However DNS has been a bit slow in the past couple months,
but we haven't invested in repairing it as we are migrating to a new Win2K3
domain.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:06
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file 'http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm
' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct
and that all required libraries are available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm" 

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle



 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

"To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites's testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data sour

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

RDS Security enabled check box

CF Application Server service Stopped and
started.

SeeFusion que settled down to Zero requests

Dreamweaver RDS reports same error.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:19
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Let me clarify, file
system information about your webroot.

RDS can also be used in windows explorer as a network connection to browse data
from windows as well.

Teddy



On 7/21/06, Teddy
Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



RDS is Remote Development Service

This allows you to connect to the application server from your programming tool
that offers RDS support.  Dreamweaver and Eclipse both have support for
RDS.  From RDS, you can get file system information.  Also, you can
see all of the databases that are connected to that application server and view
their tables, columns and even write remote queries to test for your code. 

When restarting cold fusion, it will make the coldfusion web site unavailable,
sessions will be dropped and data stored on the coldfusion server about
temporary information will be purged typically.  

If it is your production server, a lot of organizations plan outages during
lower network traffic periods so not to interupt processing. 

Teddy





 



On 7/21/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







I see that and it was unchecked. 

 

How will this affect the site?

Will users have problems?

I have to stop and start the CF service for this to work so I
am awaiting a response on this before I commit.





 

 






Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Steven
Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:12
AM






To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

Go into the CF admin and set the RDS password and make
sure that feature is on...

Security tab > RDS



On
7/21/06, Robert
 Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







I am terminaled into the CF server.

And I am using DW locally.

The wwwroot directory is mapped as the W drive.

 

The 127.0.01 was a typo'

 

I wanted to duplicate the error so I closed CF Admin in the
terminal session and reopened it and now it does not error.

Probably just a little slow I guess.

 

Anyways if on the DW client and click Application, Databases,
or Bindings etc it still is stuck on RDS login.

And gives that error. 





 

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site's testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running)."





   
(Note: This is a CF server box)

 

Any ideas?

I know CF works as I can
browse our site

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

and see that it works.

So I think #2 is not the
problem.

But I can browse http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


No problem as well.





 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:19
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

this on your local PC?  No IIS?  You are
running CF on a different port than 80, probably 8500 or 8300.

DK







On
7/21/06, Robert
 Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:







Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file '
http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm ' (or one of its components).
Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are
available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup str

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Actually the next better time to do a svc
stop start would be Wednesday evening typically. We get hit hard with weekend
tinkerers.

Restarting svc now.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:18
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

RDS is Remote Development
Service

This allows you to connect to the application server from your programming tool
that offers RDS support.  Dreamweaver and Eclipse both have support for
RDS.  From RDS, you can get file system information.  Also, you can see
all of the databases that are connected to that application server and view
their tables, columns and even write remote queries to test for your code. 

When restarting cold fusion, it will make the coldfusion web site unavailable,
sessions will be dropped and data stored on the coldfusion server about
temporary information will be purged typically.  

If it is your production server, a lot of organizations plan outages during
lower network traffic periods so not to interupt processing. 

Teddy



On 7/21/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







I see that and it was unchecked. 

 

How will this affect the site?

Will users have problems?

I have to stop and start the CF service for this to work so I
am awaiting a response on this before I commit.





 

 






Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Steven
Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:12
AM






To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG
Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle







 

Go into the CF admin and set the RDS password and make
sure that feature is on...

Security tab > RDS



On
7/21/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







I am terminaled into the CF server.

And I am using DW locally.

The wwwroot directory is mapped as the W drive.

 

The 127.0.01 was a typo'

 

I wanted to duplicate the error so I closed CF Admin in the
terminal session and reopened it and now it does not error.

Probably just a little slow I guess.

 

Anyways if on the DW client and click Application, Databases,
or Bindings etc it still is stuck on RDS login.

And gives that error. 





 

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site's testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running)."





   
(Note: This is a CF server box)

 

Any ideas?

I know CF works as I can
browse our site

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

and see that it works.

So I think #2 is not the
problem.

But I can browse http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


No problem as well.





 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:19
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

this on your local PC?  No IIS?  You are
running CF on a different port than 80, probably 8500 or 8300.

DK







On
7/21/06, Robert
 Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:







Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file '
http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm ' (or one of its components).
Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are
available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org

Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle







 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

&q

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

OK heres the scenario:

 

There are 3 machines involved in this
equation:

 

Live server. 

    Server
Product  :  ColdFusion MX 

    Version
 :  6,1,0,63958 

    Edition
 :  Standard 

 

    Operating
System   :  Windows 2000 

 

    MySQL
4.1, Database Name: Carbs

 

Beta Server,

    Same
config.

 

Local machine.

    Terminal
Services to either server

    Local
Dream Weaver install.

    Live
server INETPUB mapped as W:

    Beta
server INETPUB mapped as V:

 

I put the site in
V:/wwwroot/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

If I do CFADMIN work I terminal into the
Live or Beta Server as appropriate.

 

Teddy I totally understand IP and used to
teach TCP/IP for fun and professionally.

The problems I am having are surely not IP
related. If they are “ILL EAT MY HAT!”

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:17
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Robert,
I think we need to take a deep breathe here.

127.0.0.1 is for local development.  Local
development can also be considered a testing server.  A testing server is
a generic term for any location you have a web server and application server
installed.  Now in more formal scenarios, a testing server will resemble
what the production environment would be like.  For large budget
organizations, the testing server is an exact replica of the production box. 

Now for your error.  Which web server are you running and which version of
ColdFusion did you install?

Teddy


On 7/21/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:











Weirder still:

The Admin opened and I noticed that its address is: 

http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm

 

So I don't know what that is all about...

However DNS has been a bit slow in the past couple months,
but we haven't invested in repairing it as we are migrating to a new Win2K3
domain.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert Reil
[mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:06
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file
'http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm' (or one of its components).
Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are
available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory "C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle



 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

"To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites's testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source."

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a "Site Definition
for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the TESTING SERVER
information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:
  
ColdFusion

Access:   
Local/Network

Testing server
folder: 
W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

   
(Our web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL
Prefix:   
http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
The URL Prefix is the location of the site's root folder on the testing server.

   
I just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/
and now #3 check's as done

 

But now I get another error:

   
"The server name or add

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

I see that and it was unchecked. 

 

How will this affect the site?

Will users have problems?

I have to stop and start the CF service
for this to work so I am awaiting a response on this before I commit.

 

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Steven Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:12
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Go into the CF admin and
set the RDS password and make sure that feature is on...

Security tab > RDS



On 7/21/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







I am terminaled into the CF server.

And I am using DW locally.

The wwwroot directory is mapped as the W drive.

 

The 127.0.01 was a typo'

 

I wanted to duplicate the error so I closed CF Admin in the
terminal session and reopened it and now it does not error.

Probably just a little slow I guess.

 

Anyways if on the DW client and click Application, Databases,
or Bindings etc it still is stuck on RDS login.

And gives that error. 





 

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site's testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running)."





   
(Note: This is a CF server box)

 

Any ideas?

I know CF works as I can
browse our site

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

and see that it works.

So I think #2 is not the
problem.

But I can browse http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


No problem as well.





 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:19
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle







 

this on your local PC?  No IIS?  You are
running CF on a different port than 80, probably 8500 or 8300.

DK







On
7/21/06, Robert
 Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file 'http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm
' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct
and that all required libraries are available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle







 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

"To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites's testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source."

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a "Site Definition
for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the TESTING SERVER
information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:
  
ColdFusion

Access:
  
Local/Network

Testing server
folder: 
W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

   
(Our web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL
Prefix:   
http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
The URL Prefix is the location of the site's root folder on the testing server.

   
I just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/
and now #3 check's as done

 

But now I get another error:

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

I am terminaled into the CF server.

And I am using DW locally.

The wwwroot directory is mapped as the W
drive.

 

The 127.0.01 was a typo’

 

I wanted to duplicate the error so I
closed CF Admin in the terminal session and reopened it and now it does not
error.

Probably just a little slow I guess.

 

Anyways if on the DW client and click Application,
Databases, or Bindings etc it still is stuck on RDS login.

And gives that error. 

 

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site's testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running)."

   
(Note: This is a CF server box)

 

Any ideas?

I know CF works as I can
browse our site

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

and see that it works.

So I think #2 is not the
problem.

But I can browse http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


No problem as well.

 

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Douglas Knudsen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:19
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

this on your local
PC?  No IIS?  You are running CF on a different port than 80,
probably 8500 or 8300.

DK





On 7/21/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:







Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the web server and got
this error:

 

'Cannot find the file
'http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm' (or one of its components).
Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are
available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the wwwroot directory
"C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm"

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the same path name.





 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com















From: Robert
 Reil [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle







 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to set up a Record set
as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings, to associate the
database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application sub tabs all have:

 

"To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites's testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source."

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a "Site Definition
for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the TESTING SERVER
information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:
  
ColdFusion

Access:
  
Local/Network

Testing server
folder: 
W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

   
(Our web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL
Prefix:   
http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

   
The URL Prefix is the location of the site's root folder on the testing server.

   
I just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/ and now #3 check's as
done

 

But now I get another error:

   
"The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site's testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/


   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running)."

   
(note: This is a CF server box)

 

Do I have to tell CF to see this new IIS hosted site I made
this AM?

   
How where?

 

Forta says I should be able to click the + sign on the
bindings tab and have a GUI called RECORDSET pop up.

Any ideas where to figure out whats going on?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw , Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Weirder still:

The Admin opened and I noticed that its
address is: 

http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm

 

So I don’t know what that is all
about...

However DNS has been a bit slow in the
past couple months, but we haven’t invested in repairing it as we are
migrating to a new Win2K3 domain.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:06
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW
Record set setup struggle



 

Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the
web server and got this error:

 

‘Cannot find the file
‘http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm’ (or one of its
components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required
libraries are available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the
wwwroot directory
“C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm”

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the
same path name.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle



 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to
set up a Record set as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings,
to associate the database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application
sub tabs all have:

 

“To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites’s testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source.”

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a
“Site Definition for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the
TESTING SERVER information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:
  
ColdFusion

Access:
  
Local/Network

Testing server
folder: 
W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

   
(Our web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL Prefix:   
http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

   
The URL Prefix is the location of the site’s root folder on the testing
server.

   
I just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/
and now #3 check’s as done

 

But now I get another error:

   
“The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site’s testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running).”

   
(note: This is a CF server box)

 

Do I have to tell CF to see this new IIS hosted
site I made this AM?

   
How where?

 

Forta says I should be able to click the +
sign on the bindings tab and have a GUI called RECORDSET pop up.

Any ideas where to figure out whats going
on?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Thinking further I opened CF Admin on the
web server and got this error:

 

‘Cannot find the file ‘http://127.0.01/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm’
(or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and
that all required libraries are available.

 

Checking the local path I do find in the
wwwroot directory “C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm”

Hmm... What gives now?

 

FYI I also saw an error in DW with the
same path name.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:48
AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DW Record
set setup struggle



 

Im in fortas Construction book trying to
set up a Record set as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings,
to associate the database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application
sub tabs all have:

 

“To use dynamic data on this page:

   
1. Create a site for this file.
(checked)

   
2. Choose a document type.   (checked)

   
3. Set up the sites’s testing server

   
4. Specify the RDS login information for

   
 ColdFusion server.

   
5. Create a Coldfusion data source.”

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a
“Site Definition for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the
TESTING SERVER information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:
  
ColdFusion

Access:
  
Local/Network

Testing server
folder: 
W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

   
(Our web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL
Prefix:   
http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

   
The URL Prefix is the location of the site’s root folder on the testing
server.

   
I just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/
and now #3 check’s as done

 

But now I get another error:

   
“The server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the
page in my browser find with that path)

   
Possible reasons:

   
1. The URL specified for this site’s testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

   
2. The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion
may not be running).”

   
(note: This is a CF server box)

 

Do I have to tell CF to see this new IIS
hosted site I made this AM?

   
How where?

 

Forta says I should be able to click the +
sign on the bindings tab and have a GUI called RECORDSET pop up.

Any ideas where to figure out whats going
on?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

[ACFUG Discuss] DW Record set setup struggle

[Robert Reil]

Im in fortas Construction book trying to
set up a Record set as on page 89.

 

Im trying to click Application, Bindings,
to associate the database to the site in DW.

All I get in any window in the Application
sub tabs all have:

 

“To use dynamic data on this page:

    1.
Create a site for this file. (checked)

    2.
Choose a document type.   (checked)

    3.
Set up the sites’s testing server

    4.
Specify the RDS login information for

    
ColdFusion server.

    5.
Create a Coldfusion data source.”

 

Looks like Im stuck on step 3.

 

Clicking on the link in step 3 opens a “Site
Definition for (SiteName) dialogue box and wants me to fill our the TESTING
SERVER information.

That info as far as I can tell is correct.

 

Server model:    ColdFusion

Access:    Local/Network

Testing server folder:  W:\wwwroot\intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com\

    (Our
web path in IIS)

Refresh remote list auto  ON

URL Prefix:    http://localhost/intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

    The
URL Prefix is the location of the site’s root folder on the testing
server.

    I
just changed it to http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/
and now #3 check’s as done

 

But now I get another error:

    “The
server name or address could not be resolved. (note I can hit the page in my
browser find with that path)

    Possible
reasons:

    1.
The URL specified for this site’s testing server may be incorrect: http://intranet.motorcyclecarbs.com/

    2.
The testing server may be incorrectly configured (for example, ColdFusion may
not be running).”

    (note:
This is a CF server box)

 

Do I have to tell CF to see this new IIS
hosted site I made this AM?

    How
where?

 

Forta says I should be able to click the +
sign on the bindings tab and have a GUI called RECORDSET pop up.

Any ideas where to figure out whats going
on?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] $token.queryVaule?

[Robert Reil]

Why am I getting the data out?

    This
document is called “OUR NOTIFICATION” and is an email sent to us 

    from
the cart to alert us of a customers order.

    I
am trying to set up a rudimentary purchasing system.

    As
it is now I have to use the Name and with knowledge know who sells it to

    look
up the vendor part number.

    I
recently used Access to resolve the SKU which is printed on this notification 

    to
find the Part Number.

    But
it makes so much more sence to just have Able Commerce give it to me.

    

OK, so  is the tag to get things
started.

    

Able Commerce Customization Docs...

    It
would seem that you are implying what would require editing the JAVA source 

    code
which would need a $1000 investment.

    Well
you know the answer to that one! Lol.

    This
is also a temporary fix as the completion of the many:one:many relationship

     that
I am working on will be the permanent fix for this need as a separate 

    purchasing
module would be developed to manage this.

    But
for now, these 2 simple lines of code would save me 90 seconds per item sold.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Cody Wehunt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:31
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
$token.queryVaule?



 

Robert,

 

You would write a select query using
 to get the data from that table.  But why are you getting
the data out?  To display or to use in another manner?

 

When you say “enter this data into
there”, if you are wanting to insert data into this table then you would
write and insert query using .  

 

Also, you will need to check the
AbleCommerce Customization Documentation, because if memory serves me correctly
some changes directly to the database will not be immediately visible on
product pages, you have to run a routine first.

 

Cody

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:07
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss]
$token.queryVaule?



 

Well AbleCommerce come to find out is a
JAVA engine with a GUI wrapped around it. In this case CF.

 

But what would I use to go get data from a
table

The table is PRODUCTS.VEND_NUMBER etc.

 

Sorry for this basic question but I guess
I have to start somewhere.

This is officially my first problem to
solve.

Can I have some guidance to how to enter
this data into there?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:51
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
$token.queryVaule?



 

Well, the reason being is
that the code that is being executed is not coldfusion.  =) 
ColdFusion uses the "#" symbol and not the "$"
symbol.  From your example it looks like a perl script to me.  PHP
uses the "$" symbol, but it is usually surrounded by <%
%>.  The typical extension to a perl file is .pl. 

Teddy



On 7/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Can I get some
elaboration on the following thread I saw that relates
explicitly to what I need done?

Im not asking for someone to do it for me. But I am asking for a format that
needs to be followed to make this work. 

More questions at the bottom of this mail
Bottom line: I looked for TOKEN in my Forta books and see no reference to
it. So I don't understand this.

--

The question was asked: 
---
Okay...In the Ablecommerce Shopping cart admin, I am in the Email section,
and underneath that, I'm editing "Our Notification". Right now...our
table
has some variables that need to be filled out. The thing is, these variables 
were custom created. We added two new columns to the Products table,
Vend_Name, and Vend_Number. How can we call these variables through
coldfusion Methods such as

$orderItem.getVendName()
$orderItem.getVendNumber() 


so they will display on the Our Notification E-mail??? Does anyone know
where these values are recognized by AbleCommerce / Coldfusion?

Also, if we can figure this out, is it possible to make a coldfusion app 
that tests these values to see if they actually work correctly, rather than
us having to wait on a customer ordering one of our products??? Any help
would be appreciated.
-
Replied:
- 
If these are fields that you have added to the database manually you won't
be a

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] $token.queryVaule?

[Robert Reil]

Well AbleCommerce come to find out is a
JAVA engine with a GUI wrapped around it. In this case CF.

 

But what would I use to go get data from a
table

The table is PRODUCTS.VEND_NUMBER etc.

 

Sorry for this basic question but I guess
I have to start somewhere.

This is officially my first problem to
solve.

Can I have some guidance to how to enter
this data into there?

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:51
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss]
$token.queryVaule?



 

Well, the reason being is
that the code that is being executed is not coldfusion.  =) 
ColdFusion uses the "#" symbol and not the "$"
symbol.  From your example it looks like a perl script to me.  PHP
uses the "$" symbol, but it is usually surrounded by <%
%>.  The typical extension to a perl file is .pl. 

Teddy






On 7/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Can I get some
elaboration on the following thread I saw that relates
explicitly to what I need done?

Im not asking for someone to do it for me. But I am asking for a format that
needs to be followed to make this work. 

More questions at the bottom of this mail
Bottom line: I looked for TOKEN in my Forta books and see no reference to
it. So I don't understand this.

--

The question was asked: 
---
Okay...In the Ablecommerce Shopping cart admin, I am in the Email section,
and underneath that, I'm editing "Our Notification". Right now...our
table
has some variables that need to be filled out. The thing is, these variables 
were custom created. We added two new columns to the Products table,
Vend_Name, and Vend_Number. How can we call these variables through
coldfusion Methods such as

$orderItem.getVendName()
$orderItem.getVendNumber() 


so they will display on the Our Notification E-mail??? Does anyone know
where these values are recognized by AbleCommerce / Coldfusion?

Also, if we can figure this out, is it possible to make a coldfusion app 
that tests these values to see if they actually work correctly, rather than
us having to wait on a customer ordering one of our products??? Any help
would be appreciated.
-
Replied:
- 
If these are fields that you have added to the database manually you won't
be able to do something simple, like $orderItme.getVendorName() without
modifying the underlying Java code. And unless you've purchased the Source 
Code you can't do that anyway.

You can, however, use the AcbDatabase object to query the database directly.
Then you could use something like this:

$token.queryValue("SELECT VendorName FROM OrderItems WHERE OrderItem_ID =
" 
& $orderItem.getID() )

I'm not sure if the syntax is correct here without trying it though. You'd
have to test it out and play with it.
-

- 

What all this means is that we need to use CF code to input a variable in an
HTML driven email.
As stated copying the JAVA Object won't work. So we need to do it some other
way.
Can I get some direction where and how to implement what is being said? 
Im so new at this I don't understand how to set up the variable in the code.

The code would be inserted into this snipit of the email format as shown on
the lines with "*":
-- 

  
  
  
*     INSERT "Vend_Name"
HERE!!!   
*     INSERT "Vend_Number"
HERE!!!
$orderItem.getSKU()
$orderItem.getName()
size=2>$orderItem.getLineMessage()
$orderItem.getOptionNames()
 
$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",tr
ue)


align="center">$orderItem.getQuantity() 
#set
($extPrice =
$VelocityUtils.multiply($orderItem.getExtPrice(),$orderItem.getQuantit
y()))

$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$extPrice,"",true)




Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga.
 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com



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[ACFUG Discuss] $token.queryVaule?

[Robert Reil]

Can I get some elaboration on the following thread I saw that relates
explicitly to what I need done?

Im not asking for someone to do it for me. But I am asking for a format that
needs to be followed to make this work.

More questions at the bottom of this mail
Bottom line: I looked for TOKEN in my Forta books and see no reference to
it. So I don't understand this.

--

The question was asked:
---
Okay...In the Ablecommerce Shopping cart admin, I am in the Email section,
and underneath that, I'm editing "Our Notification". Right now...our table
has some variables that need to be filled out. The thing is, these variables
were custom created. We added two new columns to the Products table,
Vend_Name, and Vend_Number. How can we call these variables through
coldfusion Methods such as

$orderItem.getVendName()
$orderItem.getVendNumber()


so they will display on the Our Notification E-mail??? Does anyone know
where these values are recognized by AbleCommerce / Coldfusion?

Also, if we can figure this out, is it possible to make a coldfusion app
that tests these values to see if they actually work correctly, rather than
us having to wait on a customer ordering one of our products??? Any help
would be appreciated.
-
Replied:
-
If these are fields that you have added to the database manually you won't
be able to do something simple, like $orderItme.getVendorName() without
modifying the underlying Java code. And unless you've purchased the Source
Code you can't do that anyway.

You can, however, use the AcbDatabase object to query the database directly.
Then you could use something like this:

$token.queryValue("SELECT VendorName FROM OrderItems WHERE OrderItem_ID = "
& $orderItem.getID() )

I'm not sure if the syntax is correct here without trying it though. You'd
have to test it out and play with it.
-

-

What all this means is that we need to use CF code to input a variable in an
HTML driven email.
As stated copying the JAVA Object won't work. So we need to do it some other
way.
Can I get some direction where and how to implement what is being said?
Im so new at this I don't understand how to set up the variable in the code.

The code would be inserted into this snipit of the email format as shown on
the lines with "*":
--

  
  
  
* INSERT "Vend_Name" HERE!!!  
* INSERT "Vend_Number" HERE!!!
$orderItem.getSKU()
$orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage()
$orderItem.getOptionNames()

$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",tr
ue)
  
$orderItem.getQuantity()
#set ($extPrice =
$VelocityUtils.multiply($orderItem.getExtPrice(),$orderItem.getQuantit
y()))

$LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$extPrice,"",true)



Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

Now that is realistic useable wisdom. Thanks Let me chew on that and jiggle
some CF developers ears.

I guess now would be a time for any experienced developers out there that
could spend a little time on this project for a humbling hourly rate send me
an email off list with your rate quote and a brief description of skill
level.

I put this on jobs too.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:37 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

Robert if you have no other option you might consider hiring an
experienced developer for 8-16 hours and have them come on site and
help you do some of the coding and specification of the project. This
will give you a great window in the project and possibly even allow
you to accomplish a good amount of the work. If the work doesn't get
done the day or two you would spend with an experienced developer
working to solve a particular problem can be worth weeks of time in a
classroom environment. And if it doesn't get done you would at least
have a great idea of the scope and time requirements and skill level
required to get the rest of it done. In your case and with a limited
budget even if you never do more than the initial 8-16 hours of
consultation I think it could help. This will also help you balance
getting things done, done right, and done on time.

I also like to tell people do you want it: done, done and done right,
or done and done right and on time? Each one will cost you more ;-)
(The triangle lets you explore the relationship a little better, but
this one can have more impact in casual conversation).

Jeremy

> On July 11, 2006, Robert Reil wrote:
>
> > Guess Ill go for cheap and correct. Just keep doing the best I can till
I
> > get there... Fortunately I have time to make this happen. It's a thorn
in
> my
> > side, but each simple feature makes my life easier. So once one thing
> works
> > I just add another and another till it starts working. When it works it
> > works, and until it does not it does not.
> >
> > Fortunately only one thing affects the cart. And that will be some sort
of
> > autopopulate from the output of another table. Maybe a Stored Procedure,
> or
> > a CFML logic. Better yet a SP that is ran from a CFM page.
> > The other part is just the csv importer that was given to me a couple
> months
> > ago.
> >
> > I just can not justify $7,000 for this tool. So if I have to get a
> > certification and stumble my way through it then that's what it is.
> > I appreciate DEEPLY all on list, and off list comments in this reguards.
I
> > had no idea that development was this expensive.
> >
> > Well the same enlightenment drove me to my MCSE, so I guess history
> repeats
> > itself!
> >
> > See you all in study group! :)
> >
> > Robert P. Reil
> > Managing Director,
> > Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> > 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> > Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> > Office 770-974-8851
> > Fax 770-974-8852
> > www.motorcyclecarbs.com
> >
> > On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
> >
> > > Dean:
> > >
> > > FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify
> > > the DB
> > > and normalize it without a problem.
> > >
> > > So really it will be a matter of making the app.
> > >
> > > A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a
> > > link to a
> > > Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal
> > > tool to
> > > work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and
> > > outputting to the
> > > tables I will have made.
> > >
> > > Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it
> > > will work
> > > are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking,
> > > forming,
> > > listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this.
> > > And I am.
> > >
> > > Robert P. Reil
> > > Managing Director,
> > > Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> > > 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> > > Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> > > Office 770-974-8851
> > > Fax 770-974-8852
> > > www.motorcyclecarbs.com


> > > On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
> > >
> > >> I figured that those would be the files. I just forgot how to find
> > >> t

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

Dean:

I appreciate that. But when you shake your wallet and the mortgage money has
to be scraped out, 7K$ is not an option! If it's not there its not there!

Im trying some other options too like interns as well. There has to be a
way. And the only way 7K is the way is the way for me to go to bankruptcy
court.

If it was any other year no problem. This year our seasonal business is 3
months behind the curve due to Google changing its rules in Sept and us not
knowing why we had no sales (blaming it on the winter) till April when the
numbers were not coming in like they should. Add 2 months for search engines
to note the changes and now you have our sales acting like they should but
4-5 months roughly of lost sales. THAT HURTS BAD! So we are on recovery
mode. But we have to grow too. And furthermore! October is on its way and so
are drastic sales drops.

Again I appreciate your point and value it. But I think in case as correct
as you may be your correctness is not an option for us to consider at this
time.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:39 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce


Robert,

I think you're looking at this the wrong way.

What does your time cost you?  How much other stuff could you get done in
that time if you didn't have to muck around with this?  I'm sure you have
other things going on to grow your business where you can add more value
with the limited time you have.

When you start looking at it that way, $7k suddenly doesn't seem like too
much money.

Certification will teach you the semantics of the language, but not how to
be a good programmer.  I know lots of people with certs who can't program
their way out of a wet paper bag with both ends open... 

Just some more thoughts for you to consider...

-dhs


On July 11, 2006, Robert Reil wrote:

> Guess Ill go for cheap and correct. Just keep doing the best I can till I
> get there... Fortunately I have time to make this happen. It's a thorn in
my
> side, but each simple feature makes my life easier. So once one thing
works
> I just add another and another till it starts working. When it works it
> works, and until it does not it does not.
> 
> Fortunately only one thing affects the cart. And that will be some sort of
> autopopulate from the output of another table. Maybe a Stored Procedure,
or
> a CFML logic. Better yet a SP that is ran from a CFM page. 
> The other part is just the csv importer that was given to me a couple
months
> ago.
> 
> I just can not justify $7,000 for this tool. So if I have to get a
> certification and stumble my way through it then that's what it is. 
> I appreciate DEEPLY all on list, and off list comments in this reguards. I
> had no idea that development was this expensive.
> 
> Well the same enlightenment drove me to my MCSE, so I guess history
repeats
> itself!
> 
> See you all in study group! :)
> 
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:14 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
> 
> Robert,
> 
> I hear your dilemma, but software development is not cheap.
> 
> There are three points, making a triangle, that describe  
> development.  They are: cheap, fast and correct.  You can pick any  
> two at the expense of the third.  You want cheap and fast, therefore,  
> correctness will suffer.  Maybe you want cheap and correct, in which  
> case the time it takes to develop the solution will suffer.  As a  
> project manager you should be striving to balance all three.  But  
> with a fixed budget, I fear you have a problem.
> 
> In the US a decent developer will be ~$40 - $60/hour.  A senior  
> developer may cost more, much more.  But there is truth in the axiom  
> that a senior developer may cost twice as much, but he/she will be  
> 10,000 times more productive than someone more junior.
> 
> I'm not trying to rake you over the coals, just showing you some of  
> the realities of software development.  Good luck in your quest.
> 
> -dhs
> 
> 
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his  
> own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who  
> denies another this right 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

Guess Ill go for cheap and correct. Just keep doing the best I can till I
get there... Fortunately I have time to make this happen. It's a thorn in my
side, but each simple feature makes my life easier. So once one thing works
I just add another and another till it starts working. When it works it
works, and until it does not it does not.

Fortunately only one thing affects the cart. And that will be some sort of
autopopulate from the output of another table. Maybe a Stored Procedure, or
a CFML logic. Better yet a SP that is ran from a CFM page. 
The other part is just the csv importer that was given to me a couple months
ago.

I just can not justify $7,000 for this tool. So if I have to get a
certification and stumble my way through it then that's what it is. 
I appreciate DEEPLY all on list, and off list comments in this reguards. I
had no idea that development was this expensive.

Well the same enlightenment drove me to my MCSE, so I guess history repeats
itself!

See you all in study group! :)

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:14 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

Robert,

I hear your dilemma, but software development is not cheap.

There are three points, making a triangle, that describe  
development.  They are: cheap, fast and correct.  You can pick any  
two at the expense of the third.  You want cheap and fast, therefore,  
correctness will suffer.  Maybe you want cheap and correct, in which  
case the time it takes to develop the solution will suffer.  As a  
project manager you should be striving to balance all three.  But  
with a fixed budget, I fear you have a problem.

In the US a decent developer will be ~$40 - $60/hour.  A senior  
developer may cost more, much more.  But there is truth in the axiom  
that a senior developer may cost twice as much, but he/she will be  
10,000 times more productive than someone more junior.

I'm not trying to rake you over the coals, just showing you some of  
the realities of software development.  Good luck in your quest.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his  
own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who  
denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present  
opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it."
 -- Thomas Paine, 1783


On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Robert Reil wrote:

> Dean:
>
> Your input is valued very much. But I have to ask at what rate per  
> hour can
> I expect conscientious efficient workmanship? I either have to pay  
> a project
> manager that knows what he's doing, or a developer that has PM skills.
>
> At this point due to all the broken stuff in the past months funds are
> extremely tight and I have to really count my pennies and insure  
> correct
> results the first time.
>
> Preesh turned me onto a PM that I like and we are both looking at a  
> way to
> skin this cat efficiently.
>
> Everyone seems to want money I can not afford so I have to cut all the
> corners I can.
>
> FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify  
> the DB
> and normalize it without a problem.
>
> So really it will be a matter of making the app.
>
> A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a  
> link to a
> Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal  
> tool to
> work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and  
> outputting to the
> tables I will have made.
>
> Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it  
> will work
> are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking,  
> forming,
> listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this.  
> And I am.
>
> But bottom line... I HAVE TO find a way to do it for under a grand,  
> and a
> grand is a REAL stretch!
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
>
> Robert,
>
> FWIW, buyer beware.
>
> $8/hr developers?  You get what you pay for.  Not that I think off-
> shore development is bad, quite the contrary, but it requires more
> hands-on work from you or a 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

Dean:

Your input is valued very much. But I have to ask at what rate per hour can
I expect conscientious efficient workmanship? I either have to pay a project
manager that knows what he's doing, or a developer that has PM skills.

At this point due to all the broken stuff in the past months funds are
extremely tight and I have to really count my pennies and insure correct
results the first time.

Preesh turned me onto a PM that I like and we are both looking at a way to
skin this cat efficiently.

Everyone seems to want money I can not afford so I have to cut all the
corners I can.

FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify the DB
and normalize it without a problem.

So really it will be a matter of making the app.

A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a link to a
Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal tool to
work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and outputting to the
tables I will have made.

Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it will work
are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking, forming,
listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this. And I am.

But bottom line... I HAVE TO find a way to do it for under a grand, and a
grand is a REAL stretch!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

Robert,

FWIW, buyer beware.

$8/hr developers?  You get what you pay for.  Not that I think off- 
shore development is bad, quite the contrary, but it requires more  
hands-on work from you or a project manager to get things done  
correctly.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not  
that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant."
 -- Robert F. Kennedy, 1964

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On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Robert Reil wrote:

> I figured that those would be the files. I just forgot how to find  
> them. But I think I know what you are talking about. See Fusion  
> should help me find those files.
>
>
>
> As to the 8$ an hour or so for coding this would be an offshore  
> project. I have some developers and project manager connections to  
> help me describe and plan this project.
>
>
>
> 7K$ for this modification? I can't even think about spending that  
> kind of money right now. I don't know what that kind of money looks  
> like yet, hence the reason why I have to learn CF.
>
>
>
> Cust data privacy I won't give it to them. I can copy the DB and  
> dump the content of that table. They only need access to product  
> tables, and vendor spreadsheets. What can they do with that?
>
>
>
> As it is now I think that Im going to add separate tables and just  
> have the Able Products prices populated from the other tables that  
> Able is not aware of. This seems the easiest way to keep Able from  
> writing on top of important info during an upgrade. I think I  
> FINALLY (bet you all are glad to hear that!) on the right path.
>
>
>
> Thanks all for the direction and as I said above I am getting  
> control of what it is I really need and the ability to define it.  
> Wow what a leaning curve this has been so far!
>
>
>
> Robert P. Reil
>
> Managing Director,
>
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
>
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
>
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
>
> Office 770-974-8851
>
> Fax 770-974-8852
>
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:02 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
>
>
>
> Wow.  Robert just in case you have not figured it out by now the  
> pages that were causing the problems are most likely those that you  
> posted on this list a week or so back.  I can't remember them now ,  
> but they were posted here.  That should help you if this is still  
> an issue.
>
>
>
> As to the mention of several dollar an hour coders, you will get  
> what you pay for there.  And naturally you can offshore the  
> development but you are not guaranteed a level of service or the  
> privacy of your customer data etc.
>
>
>
> I think Several hundred thousand dollars seems a bit much for the  
> project you are speaking of, however I do not think that several  
> thousand dollars would be out of the questi

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

I figured that those would be the files. I
just forgot how to find them. But I think I know what you are talking about.
See Fusion should help me find those files.

 

As to the 8$ an hour or so for coding this
would be an offshore project. I have some developers and project manager
connections to help me describe and plan this project.

 

7K$ for this modification? I can’t
even think about spending that kind of money right now. I don’t know what
that kind of money looks like yet, hence the reason why I have to learn CF.

 

Cust data privacy I won’t give it to
them. I can copy the DB and dump the content of that table. They only need access
to product tables, and vendor spreadsheets. What can they do with that?

 

As it is now I think that Im going to add
separate tables and just have the Able Products prices populated from the other
tables that Able is not aware of. This seems the easiest way to keep Able from
writing on top of important info during an upgrade. I think I FINALLY (bet you
all are glad to hear that!) on the right path.

 

Thanks all for the direction and as I said
above I am getting control of what it is I really need and the ability to
define it. Wow what a leaning curve this has been so far!

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Cody Wehunt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:02
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table
reconstruction. Able Commerce



 

Wow.  Robert just in case you have
not figured it out by now the pages that were causing the problems are most
likely those that you posted on this list a week or so back.  I
can’t remember them now , but they were posted here.  That should
help you if this is still an issue. 

 

As to the mention of several dollar an
hour coders, you will get what you pay for there.  And naturally you can
offshore the development but you are not guaranteed a level of service or the
privacy of your customer data etc.

 

I think Several hundred thousand dollars
seems a bit much for the project you are speaking of, however I do not think
that several thousand dollars would be out of the question.  You have a
fairly complex set of requirements, and you do not or did not have a full set
of requirements.  You need to fully document the requirements and how you
expect the new application to interact with ablecommerce and then decide how
that interaction should be developed.  

 

Once this is done it might point you or a
developer in the right direction.  I see too often where I work now, that
certain groups attempt to build a boat only to find out they needed something
that could fly.

 

Cody

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:08
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Table
reconstruction. Able Commerce



 

This is a new thread as a continuation
from one a while back that is all revolving around the same issues I am having
with trying to get the tables in Able Commerce moved around.

 

http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?t=3623

will catch you up to speed.

The topic changes on response 5 from
JMESTEP and really does a good job of describing what is needed for me in the
interest in getting this cart working like my business model requires.

 

This is mostly an exercise in planning a
modification, or a new app.

Those that feel that they can help please
read this thread and reply either to that thread or in here with your
perspectives.

I have reason to believe that custom code
and an app external to Able Commerce could solve my problems.

 

Please I beg for direction.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com









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[ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

[Robert Reil]

This is a new thread as a continuation
from one a while back that is all revolving around the same issues I am having
with trying to get the tables in Able Commerce moved around.

 

http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?t=3623

will catch you up to speed.

The topic changes on response 5 from
JMESTEP and really does a good job of describing what is needed for me in the
interest in getting this cart working like my business model requires.

 

This is mostly an exercise in planning a modification,
or a new app.

Those that feel that they can help please
read this thread and reply either to that thread or in here with your
perspectives.

I have reason to believe that custom code
and an app external to Able Commerce could solve my problems.

 

Please I beg for direction.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] List is SLOW! Why?

[Robert Reil]

Well I just compared my sent item time vs
my rec’d time. It normally not an issue but this weekend the hour delay
was killing me trying to get answers.

So now that im aware of it I’m
trying to tune it for next time.

 



Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.

4292 Country Garden
Walk NW

Kennesaw,
 Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com











From: Teddy Payne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 1:31
PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] List
is SLOW! Why?



 

I really don't time my email response time.  I use google's web
based email and that will typically deliver faster than my work email through
MS Exchange.  

Teddy

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] List is SLOW! Why?

[Robert Reil]

Not it takes 13 minutes instead of an hour to receive my own list mail.
I white listed acfug.org but it was not getting hung up previously.

What does everyone elses response time seem to be on average?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:01 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] List is SLOW! Why?

It would seem so.

Im going to try white listing acfug.org and see what happens.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] List is SLOW! Why?

I think you're in a time-warp... everything is moving slow for you  
right now. ;-)

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Dissent is the purest form of patriotism."
 --Thomas Jefferson

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On Jul 1, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Robert Reil wrote:

> I have noticed that it takes me approximately 1 hour to receive  
> email from
> this list.
>
> Are others having the same issues?
> All other emails take far less than that between 1~10 mins due to  
> our anti
> spam, anti virus filtering and DNS and Address verification methods.
>
> But list mail always seems to take an hour.
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

Im actually trying one thing at a time. The DNS issue will be the hardest to
fix I think and I only have small blocks of time to keep at this. Having an
hour or 2 uninterupted and a luxury now adays.

Im now on the Able Commerce list to see what they say.
I know I have some DNS issues but they have been there for a while, and this
JRUN problem has not been there as long in my opinion. Though I HAVE been
wrong before!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:05 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: JRUN Hangs

it would be a good idea to evaluate what errors are in that log.

also, I didn't see a respose to my post about how slow dns could
actually be causing the problem.  did I miss your response, r are you
only trying one solution at a time?

On 7/2/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Removed the column in the table I added previously.
> Still following JRUN Hang pattern.
>
> Need to try making a new log file I guess but it wont let go.
> Any ideas?
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:41 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> Cant rename that log as it's in use. Would have to stop/start and im still
> monitoring. Will wait to see if column removal will fix it.
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:55 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> I think you should be able to remove the log and see what happens.  Should
> not be an issue.
>
> Cody
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:40 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs
>
> It hung again.
> ---
> 14:35:12 Begain to stack up
> It stacked up to 10 at max
> 15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
> 15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)
>
> Server Log view:
> http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
> http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm
>
> 14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
> -
> Date  TimeSeverityThreadIDApplication
> Name
> Jul 1, 2006   2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not
listed]
> -
> Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
> C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm, completed
in
> 93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
> -
>
> I don't think that is it though.
> However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
> Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse
this???
> If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the settings?
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:53 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs: (Was:Slow Site Starting on Reboot)
>
> Could adding a column to a table do this? I didn't think about that.
> Gosh I really wish I knew what I was doing... :(
> --
> Report: 12:49:00
> Update: Since the last report all has been well until.
>
> At 11:59:06 the request query started stacking up.
> At 12:00:49 the requests hit limit of 10
> At 12:18:01 the first of the 10 was processed stating 1,135,313ms
transpired
> By 12:20:12 a que qty of 9~10 went back and forth only processing 6
requests
>
> At 12:28:50 the que decreased from 10 to 9 and slowly declined
> At 12:34:49 the que balance returned to 0
> Its: 12:49:00 and the balance is still 0 and processing requests between
&g

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

Ill have to check that out Leon!
Maybe now That I have identified the symptoms in detail I should have a post
on the AbleCommerce board to get more support.

Thanks to all that have helped.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Leon Oosterwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:03 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

If you have jrun hangs and you're using AbleCommerce make SURE you're
using the latest build. The older builds had some serious SQL locking
issues. If your threads are going up to the max and just hanging, it
most likely means they're all waiting on 1 thread which is locked on
your database. 

If you're using MS SQL Svr go to the enterprise admin and look at your
threads. You'll most likely see a bunch of them all waiting for this one
blocking thread. If you kill that thread your server will 'unclog'
itself. 

We had this issue last year and it took some serious work, running SQL
profiler etc to find the source of the problem and have able commerce
fix it. We are currently running CFMX 5.5 build 1357 and the problem has
largely gone away. 

Leon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:40 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

It hung again.
---
14:35:12 Begain to stack up
It stacked up to 10 at max
15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)

Server Log view:
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm

14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
-
DateTimeSeverityThreadID
Application
Name
Jul 1, 2006 2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not
listed]
-
Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm,
completed in
93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
-

I don't think that is it though. 
However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse
this???
If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the
settings?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs: (Was:Slow Site Starting on Reboot)

Could adding a column to a table do this? I didn't think about that.
Gosh I really wish I knew what I was doing... :(
--
Report: 12:49:00
Update: Since the last report all has been well until.

At 11:59:06 the request query started stacking up.
At 12:00:49 the requests hit limit of 10 At 12:18:01 the first of the 10
was processed stating 1,135,313ms transpired By 12:20:12 a que qty of
9~10 went back and forth only processing 6 requests

At 12:28:50 the que decreased from 10 to 9 and slowly declined At
12:34:49 the que balance returned to 0
Its: 12:49:00 and the balance is still 0 and processing requests between
200~2000ms each.

Note this is a report from my last report which for convenience I will
post here.
-
Report: 9:57:28
Removed AVG.
Rebooted.
Services started.
Viewed with seefusion.
And looked at task manager.

4 requests hit (unprocessed)
JRUN at 60-100% continuously
Ran up to 10requests.
Only 2 of them processed quickly.
10th one hit at 9:25:50am
JRUN holding 95~100%
Started knocking them out of the processing que at  9:46:57am with 2
strings at 155,702ms Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a
normal capacity.
User requests average 30 seconds.
Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48 Maintained 3 in que but
processed request in approx 400ms till the request que was brought down
to zero at 9:57:28.
Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except for
30% spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:38 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

Have you modified the DB recently?  I've seen bad SQL and/or DB changes
that absolutely kill performanc

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

Removed the column in the table I added previously.
Still following JRUN Hang pattern.

Need to try making a new log file I guess but it wont let go.
Any ideas?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:41 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

Cant rename that log as it's in use. Would have to stop/start and im still
monitoring. Will wait to see if column removal will fix it.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:55 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

I think you should be able to remove the log and see what happens.  Should
not be an issue.

Cody

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:40 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

It hung again.
---
14:35:12 Begain to stack up
It stacked up to 10 at max
15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)

Server Log view:
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm

14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
-
DateTimeSeverityThreadIDApplication
Name
Jul 1, 2006 2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not listed]
-
Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm, completed in
93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
-

I don't think that is it though. 
However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse this???
If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the settings?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs: (Was:Slow Site Starting on Reboot)

Could adding a column to a table do this? I didn't think about that.
Gosh I really wish I knew what I was doing... :(
--
Report: 12:49:00
Update: Since the last report all has been well until.

At 11:59:06 the request query started stacking up.
At 12:00:49 the requests hit limit of 10
At 12:18:01 the first of the 10 was processed stating 1,135,313ms transpired
By 12:20:12 a que qty of 9~10 went back and forth only processing 6 requests

At 12:28:50 the que decreased from 10 to 9 and slowly declined
At 12:34:49 the que balance returned to 0
Its: 12:49:00 and the balance is still 0 and processing requests between
200~2000ms each.

Note this is a report from my last report which for convenience I will post
here.
-
Report: 9:57:28
Removed AVG.
Rebooted.
Services started.
Viewed with seefusion.
And looked at task manager.

4 requests hit (unprocessed)
JRUN at 60-100% continuously
Ran up to 10requests.
Only 2 of them processed quickly.
10th one hit at 9:25:50am
JRUN holding 95~100%
Started knocking them out of the processing que at  9:46:57am with 2 strings
at 155,702ms Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a normal
capacity.
User requests average 30 seconds.
Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48 Maintained 3 in que but
processed request in approx 400ms till the request que was brought down to
zero at 9:57:28.
Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except for 30%
spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:38 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

Have you modified the DB recently?  I've seen bad SQL and/or DB  
changes that absolutely kill performance.  Are you sure none of your  
code has a cartesian product from a bad join clause?  See http:// 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Cartesian_product for a definition.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EM

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

Cant rename that log as it's in use. Would have to stop/start and im still
monitoring. Will wait to see if column removal will fix it.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:55 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

I think you should be able to remove the log and see what happens.  Should
not be an issue.

Cody

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:40 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

It hung again.
---
14:35:12 Begain to stack up
It stacked up to 10 at max
15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)

Server Log view:
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm

14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
-
DateTimeSeverityThreadIDApplication
Name
Jul 1, 2006 2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not listed]
-
Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm, completed in
93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
-

I don't think that is it though. 
However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse this???
If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the settings?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs: (Was:Slow Site Starting on Reboot)

Could adding a column to a table do this? I didn't think about that.
Gosh I really wish I knew what I was doing... :(
--
Report: 12:49:00
Update: Since the last report all has been well until.

At 11:59:06 the request query started stacking up.
At 12:00:49 the requests hit limit of 10
At 12:18:01 the first of the 10 was processed stating 1,135,313ms transpired
By 12:20:12 a que qty of 9~10 went back and forth only processing 6 requests

At 12:28:50 the que decreased from 10 to 9 and slowly declined
At 12:34:49 the que balance returned to 0
Its: 12:49:00 and the balance is still 0 and processing requests between
200~2000ms each.

Note this is a report from my last report which for convenience I will post
here.
-
Report: 9:57:28
Removed AVG.
Rebooted.
Services started.
Viewed with seefusion.
And looked at task manager.

4 requests hit (unprocessed)
JRUN at 60-100% continuously
Ran up to 10requests.
Only 2 of them processed quickly.
10th one hit at 9:25:50am
JRUN holding 95~100%
Started knocking them out of the processing que at  9:46:57am with 2 strings
at 155,702ms Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a normal
capacity.
User requests average 30 seconds.
Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48 Maintained 3 in que but
processed request in approx 400ms till the request que was brought down to
zero at 9:57:28.
Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except for 30%
spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:38 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

Have you modified the DB recently?  I've seen bad SQL and/or DB  
changes that absolutely kill performance.  Are you sure none of your  
code has a cartesian product from a bad join clause?  See http:// 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Cartesian_product for a definition.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"What difference does it make to the dead,  the orphans, and the  
homeless, whether the  mad destruction is wrought under the name of  
totalitarianism or the holy name of  liberty and democracy? "
 --Gandhi

Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd/


On Jul 1, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Robert Reil wrote:

> Removed AVG.
> Rebooted.
> Services started.
> Viewed with seefusion.
> And looked at task manager.
>
> 4 requests hit (unpr

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

Overnight report: ***Note: This email contains all new data. Read ALL the
way to the bottom. The history has been truncated. This entire post is all
diagnostic data:
Contents:
 Possible anomalies 
 Counter History highlights
 Server.log offences (scroll down)



"Possible Anomalies:
C:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB
I recently added a column to a table.




"Counter History Highlights"
 Synopsis: Every 2:36 the JRUN service hangs
 For roughly 35 minutes.

---37min duration
06:07:54 hang and begin stack up
06:16:00 received 10 request
06:17:42 que fluctuated from 8-10
06:35:56 que started dropping
06:44:06 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 18min 
  (this 18min with the previous 2:10 is 
   2:28 following the general pattern)
---6min duration
05:49:12 hang and begin stack up
05:53:51 received 4thd request (didn't get to 10)
05:53:54 que started dropping
05:55:11 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:10min
---28min duration
03:39:26 hang and begin stack up
03:57:19 received 9th request (didn't get to 10)
03:57:20 que started dropping
04:07:06 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:36min
---35min duration
01:03:41 hang and begin stack up
01:07:50 received 10 request
01:26:25 que started dropping
01:38:45 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:36min
---35min duration
22:27:43 hang and begin stack up
22:31:11 received 10 request
22:51:58 que started dropping
23:02:33 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:36min
---34min duration
19:51:59 hang and begin stack up
19:53:53 received 10 request
20:04:27 que started dropping
20:26:54 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:36min
---35min duration
17:16:17 hang and begin stack up
17:18:34 received 10 request
17:41:08 que started dropping
17:50:49 que back to zero
-Hangtime Interval: 2:42min
---37min duration
14:35:12 hang and begin stack up
14:35:48 received 10 request
15:05:47 que started dropping
15:11:58 que back to zero
---


---
"Server.log offences"

Server Log content since toggled on for 20 second offences:
Should I run this at a higher benchmark than 20 seconds?
*
"Warning","jrpp-62","07/01/06","14:36:44",,"Thread: jrpp-62, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm,
completed in 93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-66","07/01/06","15:04:54",,"Thread: jrpp-66, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 1,772
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-67","07/01/06","15:05:11",,"Thread: jrpp-67, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 1,782
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-68","07/01/06","15:05:41",,"Thread: jrpp-68, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 1,805
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-69","07/01/06","15:05:46",,"Thread: jrpp-69, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 1,810
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-85","07/01/06","15:05:55",,"Thread: jrpp-85, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\sendlink.cfm, completed in 55
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-91","07/01/06","15:06:16",,"Thread: jrpp-91, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\product1.cfm, completed in 26
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-91","07/01/06","15:08:14",,"Thread: jrpp-91, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logging\index.cfm,
completed in 34 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-65","07/01/06","15:10:02",,"Thread: jrpp-65, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 2,083
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-63","07/01/06","15:10:02",,"Thread: jrpp-63, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\category.cfm, completed in 2,082
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-70","07/01/06","15:10:55",,"Thread: jrpp-70, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\sendlink.cfm, completed in 2,119
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-72","07/01/06","15:11:02",,"Thread: jrpp-72, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\webpage.cfm, completed in 2,115
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-71","07/01/06","15:11:06",,"Thread: jrpp-71, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\carbs\stores\1\webpage.cfm, completed in 2,121
seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit"
"Warning","jrpp-91","07/01/06","15:11:12",,"Thread: jrpp-91, processing
template: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

It hung again.
---
14:35:12 Begain to stack up
It stacked up to 10 at max
15:05:47 Let go of the next one to bring it to 9
15:11:58 que back to Zero (0)

Server Log view:
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog1.htm
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/060701_1525_CFAdminSrvLog2.htm

14:35 correlates to this error on Log2
-
DateTimeSeverityThreadIDApplication
Name
Jul 1, 2006 2:36 PM Warning 0   [Not listed]
-
Thread: jrpp-62, processing template:
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE\administrator\logviewer\searchlog.cfm, completed in
93 seconds, exceeding the 20 second warning limit
-

I don't think that is it though. 
However! Z:\CFusionMX\runtime\logs\default-err.log is 101MB!
Could this be relevant? Could the server be taking 20 mins to parse this???
If it is what is pulling it? How do I archive it? Where are the settings?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs: (Was:Slow Site Starting on Reboot)

Could adding a column to a table do this? I didn't think about that.
Gosh I really wish I knew what I was doing... :(
--
Report: 12:49:00
Update: Since the last report all has been well until.

At 11:59:06 the request query started stacking up.
At 12:00:49 the requests hit limit of 10
At 12:18:01 the first of the 10 was processed stating 1,135,313ms transpired
By 12:20:12 a que qty of 9~10 went back and forth only processing 6 requests

At 12:28:50 the que decreased from 10 to 9 and slowly declined
At 12:34:49 the que balance returned to 0
Its: 12:49:00 and the balance is still 0 and processing requests between
200~2000ms each.

Note this is a report from my last report which for convenience I will post
here.
-
Report: 9:57:28
Removed AVG.
Rebooted.
Services started.
Viewed with seefusion.
And looked at task manager.

4 requests hit (unprocessed)
JRUN at 60-100% continuously
Ran up to 10requests.
Only 2 of them processed quickly.
10th one hit at 9:25:50am
JRUN holding 95~100%
Started knocking them out of the processing que at  9:46:57am with 2 strings
at 155,702ms Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a normal
capacity.
User requests average 30 seconds.
Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48 Maintained 3 in que but
processed request in approx 400ms till the request que was brought down to
zero at 9:57:28.
Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except for 30%
spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:38 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

Have you modified the DB recently?  I've seen bad SQL and/or DB  
changes that absolutely kill performance.  Are you sure none of your  
code has a cartesian product from a bad join clause?  See http:// 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Cartesian_product for a definition.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"What difference does it make to the dead,  the orphans, and the  
homeless, whether the  mad destruction is wrought under the name of  
totalitarianism or the holy name of  liberty and democracy? "
 --Gandhi

Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd/


On Jul 1, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Robert Reil wrote:

> Removed AVG.
> Rebooted.
> Services started.
> Viewed with seefusion.
> And looked at task manager.
>
> 4 requests hit (unprocessed)
> JRUN at 60-100% continuously
> Ran up to 10requests.
> Only 2 of them processed quickly.
> 10th one hit at 9:25:50am
> JRUN holding 95~100%
> Started knocking them out of the processing que at  9:46:57am with  
> 2 strings
> at 155,702ms
> Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a normal capacity.
> User requests average 30 seconds.
> Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48
> Maintained 3 in que but processed request in approx 400ms till the  
> request
> que was brought down to zero at 9:57:28.
> Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except  
> for 30%
> spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be.
>
> Im now happy with it's performance but I wonder when and 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

[Robert Reil]

CF Tuning sounds like a good topic for a meeting!

Pros and cons of different J2EE, and other platforms,
Perf settings, etc.
Rules, guidelines etc.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:45 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot

you have some really long running requests.  As I said before, look in
the server log in the cfadmin tool, long running requests are
indicated there.  Look to the files indicated in these entries as
problem spots needing tuning.  SeeFusion is a great tool also
indicating these things.

Also make SURE you have
Timeout Requests after (seconds)
set to on, its typically best practise to have this set to 30 seconds
as a start.
Also make SURE you have
Log slow running requests longer then __ seconds
set to on and set ti to say 20 seconds to start.  If this is not set
to on, the above log will be useless to you as long running requests
will not be logged!

Now, go read up on ColdFusion performance topics.  This is a great
summary blog posting here
http://coolskool.blog-city.com/random_collection_of_cfmx_performance_tuning_
resources.htm
Especially understand the explanations of request timeouts,
simultaneaous threads, and such.  Forta's advanced CF book has
coverage of this topic also FYI.

Your subject line has the word REBOOT in it, hence why we are
responding with much about your system.  To me this appears to be a
ColdFsuin perfomance issue.  You are rebooting the server to try and
attack this issue, which rarely in my experience will.  In most cases,
its bad CF code somewhere that causes issues.


DK

On 7/1/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looks like it wont let go of some requests. And it pegs out JRUN.exe when
> that happens
> -
> I did KILL's to the Running Requests to keep things from hanging
> -
> Using the Counters I found that it takes between
> 900~2,500,000 ms to process a request.
> Once the request que is down to 0~1 it only takes 400~2000ms to process
and
> keeps it under control.
> -
> Just noticed that AVGW.exe was at 50% and has been active all this time
but
> I didn't think it should ever be that high.
> Looking into it I found it to be AntiVirusGrisoftWatch file. I'm removing
it
> and rebooting.
> -
> SeeFusion 3.3:   Server Status  Configuration
> CountersDebug OutputStack Trace
> SeeFusion Log
>
> SeeFusion Server Status Help
> Server: rcga01ts01
> Updated Memory [GC] Uptime  Request
> Averages:   Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since
> Startup Query
> Averages:   Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since
> Startup
> Jun 30, 2006 9:59:04 PM 108m/132m   26:33.9 0, avg 0ms
> 0/sec, avg 0ms  0/sec, avg 0ms  13  0, avg 0ms  0/sec, avg 0ms
> 0/sec, avg 0ms  0
> 8 Running Requests
> Request
> Completed   FromResponseTotalTime   #Queries
> QryTime Longest (or Active) Query
> SQL
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_C6.cfm[Stack][KillStop]
> 193.47.80.89@--ms   1,485,015ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
>
www.motorcyclecarbs.com/KEIHIN_MAIN_JET_99101-116_68_P4539C76.cfm[Stack][Kil
> lStop]
> 72.30.98.161@--ms   1,428,937ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
>
www.motorcyclecarbs.com/AIR_CUT-OFF_VALVE_SET_KAWASAK_P5285.cfm[Stack][KillS
> top]
> 72.30.103.147   @--ms   1,417,344ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com/VL800_W114.cfm[Stack][KillStop]
> 72.30.111.147   @--ms   1,383,391ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
>
www.motorcyclecarbs.com/BRAKE_CALIPER_KIT_SUZUKI_ACS-_P6131C292.cfm[Stack][K
> illStop]
> 68.142.249.162  @--ms   1,366,469ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Dellorto_PHM_Carburetor_W19C2.cfm[Stack][KillStop]
> 68.159.143.14   @--ms   1,349,750ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com/sendlink.cfm?Product_ID=2180[Stack][KillStop]
> 72.30.133.215   @--ms   1,349,734ms --  --ms--ms,--
rows
>
www.motorcyclecarbs.com/MIKUNI_AIR_JET_B42_55_140_P2165C13.cfm[Stack][KillSt
> op]
> 72.30.110.93@--ms   93,266ms--  --ms--ms,--
rows
> Recent Requests
> Request
> Completed   FromResponseTotalTime   #Queries
> QryTime Longest Query
> SQL
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm
> -01:40.1144.9.8.21  [

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JRUN Hangs

[Robert Reil]

I am using Able Commerce. I don't know whats in the code.
So until I find the problem I guess we will just wait and see what
files/tables etc are causing it.

Now that Doug told me how to set up the CF Admin maybe I can get some real
data to work with.

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:43 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Slow Site Starting on Reboot

robert-

you should look at any external systems that cf is interacting with,
including dns.  if you are making cfhttp calls, cf will need to
resolve the domains prior too fetching the pages.  during startup,
none of those dns name resolutions will be cached so the problem might
appear to be worse.

other external systems might include cfpop calls, database calls,
filesystem calls, etc.

if any of these calls slow down substantially, cf may start queueing
requests and if it happens long enough cf starts spending a lot of
energy managing the queue of requests and less on processing them,
causing a downward spiral to server death...

hth

-cameron

On 6/30/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have noticed DNS REALLY Slow lately. That was going to be the next thing
> that I looked at.
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:30 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
>
> Also check your dns services that the AD uses. Are they working?
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
>
> Sorry been doing several things at once. The missing global catalog would
be
> the next thing to resolve to speed up your reboots.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
>
> It is not and never was said it was a DC. Don't know where that came
from...
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:13 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
>
> > It does not load any network critical services.
>
> Ok?
>
> Why is this server a domain controller then?
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:38 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
>
> It boots, and shuts down normally, a bit slow but noting offensive.
> Once it loads GUI, it takes about 2-3 mins to load a browser and resolve
the
> local home page. Then about 10 mins before the CF built page will load
> instead of erroring out on JRUN.
>
> No browser warnings in event viewer.
> Not multi homed.
>
> It does not load any network critical services.
> It does run Backup Exec, IIS, Terminal Services, Grisoft AV, MySQL, and
> MSSQL.
>
> I do notice that there are a couple questionable processes running and
will
> google them for potential viruses.
> DLLHOST.exe
> CTFMON.exe
> CSRSS.exe
> LLSSRV.exe
> LSASS.exe
> Pvlsvr.exe
> Swagent.exe
> Swsoc.exe
> Swstrtr.exe
> All other processes make sense to me.
>
> I terminaled in to check things out now that it is running and JRUN was
> 99-100% again for a duration then let go. Im logged in now running 50-98%
> idle.
> Hmmm I'm just now noticing that it is showing the 2 procs in the perf
window
> of the task manager where previously it only showed one...
>
> Will look at the logs after the AV file check.
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -Ori