Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Looking for D-Star UHF Repeater/Controller

[John Hays]

Sorry typo - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcrepeatercontroller/files/


On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:06 PM, John Hays wrote:


OpenG2 stuff, which you can find at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/prcrepeatercontroller/files


John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Looking for D-Star UHF Repeater/Controller

[John Hays]

You might look for a Motorola RP1225 or a narrow banded Kenwood TKR --  
I have a stock TKR-820 in service with a minimum of work, just pulled  
the deviation down (the receive is still wide but works).


Read about it here: http://k7ve.org/blog/2010/06/converting-the-kenwood-tkr-820-to-use-with-d-star/ 
  -- I am waiting for G4ULF's package before putting it on the  
USTRUST, but it is running on the Multi-Trust right now using the  
OpenG2 stuff, which you can find at http://groups.yahoo.com/prcrepeatercontroller/files



On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:42 PM, J. Moen wrote:



If you haven't already, I'd recommend you consider the non-ICOM  
approach, which will allow you to save significant money.   This  
would be using a gmsk modem or Node Adapter board to interface  
between the server and an analog radio.  The boards are in the US  
$100 - $150 range.


For initial testing, you could start out with DVAR Hot Spot by  
KB9KHM in full duplex repeater mode.  This supports DPlus but not  
callsign routing and runs only on Windows.  Soon to be released is  
Dave Lake G4ULF's NI-Star software, which has been tested and  
accepted by the US Trust team to be fully G2 compliant.  It runs on  
Linux, typically CentOS, and repeaters running it during the careful  
test phase typically run the other standard applications like Dplus,  
DPRS/D-Star Monitor, etc. without modification.


David's blog at http://g4ulf.blogspot.com/ says they are now working  
on packaging and documentation, and that release is "imminent." 
The first repeater up and running was GB7MH in Sept 2009 as reported  
by the RSGB RadCom magazine Feb 2010.  One of the most recent to  
come online is WG2MSK.  See

http://www.sidigital.org/

Once NI-Star is officially released, I expect to see many more new D- 
Star repeaters brought up with considerable savings compared to the  
ICOM only installation.


   Jim - K6JM



John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Looking for D-Star UHF Repeater/Controller

[J. Moen]

If you haven't already, I'd recommend you consider the non-ICOM approach, which 
will allow you to save significant money.   This would be using a gmsk modem or 
Node Adapter board to interface between the server and an analog radio.  The 
boards are in the US $100 - $150 range.

For initial testing, you could start out with DVAR Hot Spot by KB9KHM in full 
duplex repeater mode.  This supports DPlus but not callsign routing and runs 
only on Windows.  Soon to be released is Dave Lake G4ULF's NI-Star software, 
which has been tested and accepted by the US Trust team to be fully G2 
compliant.  It runs on Linux, typically CentOS, and repeaters running it during 
the careful test phase typically run the other standard applications like 
Dplus, DPRS/D-Star Monitor, etc. without modification. 

David's blog at http://g4ulf.blogspot.com/ says they are now working on 
packaging and documentation, and that release is "imminent."The first 
repeater up and running was GB7MH in Sept 2009 as reported by the RSGB RadCom 
magazine Feb 2010.  One of the most recent to come online is WG2MSK.  See
http://www.sidigital.org/

Once NI-Star is officially released, I expect to see many more new D-Star 
repeaters brought up with considerable savings compared to the ICOM only 
installation.

   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Scott 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com ; mids...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:10 PM
  Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Looking for D-Star UHF Repeater/Controller  
  All:

  Before I go out looking to buy new, does anyone have a UHF voice module 
  (ID-RP4000V) and controller (ID-RP2C) available? Two? We're looking to 
  put up two sites in Northern Michigan, primarily for E-Comm use. One 
  site already has a transmitter combiner and receiver multi-coupler with 
  separate recieve/transmit antennas so I could litterally just plug it in 
  there (would be replacing an existing UHF analog repeater). The second 
  location we'll probably have to install antenna hardware. Both have good 
  network connectivity. Would be good if we could save a bit rather than 
  pay retail. If not, where's the best deals?

  Thanks,

  Chuck - N8DNX

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Linking and Unlinking questions

[J. Moen]

Congratulations on getting into D-Star, and for asking about linking etiquette. 
 Steve and Ted pretty much nailed it in their responses.  I'll try to add a 
some additional info.  I hope this isn't all old info for you.

As you probably know, the D-Star design and ICOM's implementation is to do 
callsign routing, and that is explained in each D-Star radio manual.   But the 
beauty of the D-Star architecture is that repeater owners can run additional 
(including non-ICOM) software on their gateway server.  It happens Robin 
Cutshaw AA4RC designed and wrote such a program called DPlus, which allows a 
repeater to be linked to another repeater or reflector.  It turns out most 
repeater owners outside Japan have chosen to install DPlus on their gateways, 
so linking and unlinking are very widely available.  As Steve wrote, not all 
repeater administrators allow normal users to issue link and unlink command, 
but in my experience, many and probably most do.

Anyway, since DPlus linking is not an ICOM feature, that's why you won't read 
about it in your ICOM radio manuals.

The linking is very quick.  But since the gmsk protocol used by D-Star places 
the pertinent info for routing (MyCall, UrCall, RPT1, RPT2) in the headers 
preceeding the digital voice payload, if you link into a repeater with an 
in-flight QSO, it's likely, as Steve and Ted pointed out, that the current 
transmission at the far end will not be routed back to where you are.  So it is 
best to wait until any possible current transmission ends, so the comeback can 
be routed properly and you'll know a QSO is in progress.  

How long to wait?  Well, I've read some repeater websites that suggest you wait 
3 minutes.  That is probably safest, and if you have something else to do while 
waiting, that is probably best.   But in reality, I'm not sure most people wait 
that long.  I think most people wait a minute or so.

Many repeaters also run a script that checks for inactivity over a link, and 
after, say, 10 minutes of no use, will automatically unlink and relink to that 
repeater's default.  Others don't do that.  If you discover your favorite 
repeater has a default link and doesn't automatically re-establish it, then 
when you are finished, you should unlink and link to the default manually.  
Often the repeater's website will tell what's the normal link.  If I'm near a 
computer and want to link to a new repeater, I first try to bring up its 
website (not all have one) and see if they have any info specific to their 
repeater that I should know.

I put the following web address in a shortcut on my desktop, so the repeater 
directory comes up sorted by "state."  This makes it easy to search for 
repeaters in different states.
http://www.dstarusers.org/repeaters.php?repeatersort=5

By the way, if at some time you buy a DV Dongle or a DVAP, or if you build 
yourself a Hotspot, you should know all those depend solely on DPlus linking 
(they don't support callsign routing).  It turns out Robin wrote the software 
for both the Dongle and the DVAP.  Obviously the same etiquette for linking 
using these devices also applies.

   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: kc9ony 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:55 AM
  Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Linking and Unlinking questions  
  Still learning about D-Star here. The other night, we tried linking
  into one of the popular reflectors. We didn't hear anything, so my
  buddy called CQ. I seem to think I then heard a partial conversation
  and then acknowledgement of my buddy's callsign. That brought to 
  mind a few questions:

  How long does it take for the repeater to connect to the reflector?

  How long should one wait before trying to initiate a call?
  So far, in the few times we have done it, no one has yelled at
  us for interrupting or causing any disruption of data, if that did 
  occur. I just don't want to step on any toes if we are possibly
  not waiting or listening for a long enough time period.

  When unlinking, is it necessary to announce to the reflector that you
  are unlinking? 

  If I want to unlink and not interrupt a conversation, can I just do it?

  Will they hear a beep and my callsign or does this disrupt the data in
  any way or just see my callsign with no audio?

  Just wondering if there is a write up on common courtesy and protocol
  for D-Star? I know that on the Calculator page, they say to announce
  your intentions. Obviously, if you are not near a computer or have
  access to the internet, you can't see how busy or how many things are
  connected to a repeater or reflector.

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Linking and Unlinking questions

[Ted Wrobel]

Hi,
 
When a repeater is linked to a reflector an internet connection is made and
the local repeater will transmit over the air any data sent from the
reflector. The repeater will send and data stream it hears to the reflector
for retrnasmission by any other linked repeaters.
 
The courtesy of announcing that you intend to link or unlink a repeater
advises any other reperater users that the change is comming (unless they
object, of course). This avoids disrupting any others comms that may be in
progress at that time. Of course if you have listened a bit before taking
any action you would likely hear any comms in progress.
 
Unlinking is the only direction that can disrupt comms - a pair of hams
might be conversing thru the link. Linking only "adds repeaters", and the
only issue is the courtesy of letting others know that they might now speak
to a much larger audience.
 
In practice most (all?) repeaters announce the link / unlink action so folks
are indeed notified. On the link however the repeater does not announce what
reflector is being linked.
 
The link / unlink process is effectively instantaneous - any delay is only
latency over the internet. Very unlikely you could beat the link or unlink
process.
 
Hope this helps,
 
73
Ted
W1GRI

  _  

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of kc9ony
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 09:56
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Linking and Unlinking questions


  

Still learning about D-Star here. The other night, we tried linking
into one of the popular reflectors. We didn't hear anything, so my
buddy called CQ. I seem to think I then heard a partial conversation
and then acknowledgement of my buddy's callsign. That brought to 
mind a few questions:

How long does it take for the repeater to connect to the reflector?

How long should one wait before trying to initiate a call?
So far, in the few times we have done it, no one has yelled at
us for interrupting or causing any disruption of data, if that did 
occur. I just don't want to step on any toes if we are possibly
not waiting or listening for a long enough time period.

When unlinking, is it necessary to announce to the reflector that you
are unlinking? 

If I want to unlink and not interrupt a conversation, can I just do it?

Will they hear a beep and my callsign or does this disrupt the data in
any way or just see my callsign with no audio?

Just wondering if there is a write up on common courtesy and protocol
for D-Star? I know that on the Calculator page, they say to announce
your intentions. Obviously, if you are not near a computer or have
access to the internet, you can't see how busy or how many things are
connected to a repeater or reflector.

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Linking and Unlinking questions

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

I suppose I would first send UR=XXNXX^^I (^=blank character space and
XXNXX is the call sign of your local repeater - I must be in the 8th
character space) to see if your local repeater is already linked to
something.  You can't dplus link to 2 places at once so if linked you may
want to unlink - UR=^^^U - call sign is not needed to un-link - not all
systems allow users to link/unlink

Next link to another repeater set UR=XXNXX^AL to link to XXNXX module A -
far end must not already be linked to something.

Or link to a reflector UR=REFNNNAL  where NNN is the reflector number, A, B,
C is the 'time slot (for lack of a better term), and L requests a link.

If there is a conversation in progress you will NOT hear the far end if you
join mid stream of the transmission.  Once the transmission is finished, you
will hear the next transmission.  Linking happens quickly, but if there is a
lengthy transmssion, it may take a bit to hear the next transmission.

It is good etiquette for the folks wanting to link to listen for a bit after
linking to see of there is a conversation in progress and test the water.
You will not over ride the far end transmission.  For the folks on the far
end it is wise to keep transmissions short and leave plenty of time between
transmissions.  Also keep the contact  short - you may be going out on 5, 10
or 20 repeaters.  This is nothing new - just common repeater use courtesy.

For the station joining, before you jump in, can you add to the ongoing
conversation ?  Sometimes it is better to just listen.  When there is a 3
way or more it is very courteous to direct the next transmission to a
particular station, ie, "over to you John" etc, to reduce the chance of
doubling.  When you double, you may be heard on your local repeater, but
maybe not on the far end.  Digital does not seem to tolerate doubles very
well at all.

Finally - have fun and enjoy the contact - meet new people - share ideas,
etc. This is my take on operation, and as always, I may be completely wrong.
  73, steve nu5d




On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:55 AM, kc9ony  wrote:

> Still learning about D-Star here.   The other night, we tried linking
> into one of the popular reflectors.We didn't hear anything,
>
-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-880H for Sale

[Donald Jacob]

Bill,
I haven't seen any replies to your email, do you still have the 880H for
sale?

73
Don  WB5EKU


On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Bill Jourdain  wrote:

>
>
> Like new ID-880H for sale.  Used only in my shack, never mobile.  Have all
> original accessories, box and manual.  Looks and works like new.  Asking
> $400.  I pay shipping.  Will only sell in CONUS.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> AB4BJ
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Business Management Online With Virtual reference

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

This is an inappropriate post to this group.  Has this users account been 
hijacked or is this an error in judgement?

73 de Tim, AF1G

 nodjaffery  wrote: 

=

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Once you've decided to study business in the United States, you may feel
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If you are considering studying business in the US, there is such a wide
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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

I just changed the radio in the pulldown menu from one to the other and it 
worked perfectly.  You didn't hold your mouth right!

73 de Tim, AF1G

 "Mike Besemer (WM4B)"  wrote: 

=
H…. Mine griped up a storm when I went to input my ID-880 file into my 
IC-80.

 

I solved the problem by exporting each 100 channel cluster into Excel and then 
importing it into the IC-80 file.  Musta been something funny.

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim Hardy AF1G
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:50 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

 

  

The ID880H and the IC80AD both use the same programming cable and the same 
software. The Icom software has a pulldown menu at the top to choose whether 
you are working with the 880 or the 80. All the programming parameters are the 
same for both radios. Once you have entered programming information into the 
software, you can load the same file into both radios just by selecting the 
correct radio from the top menu. You can also download the programming from an 
880 and load it into the 80, or vice-versa.

73 de Tim, AF1G

 Dan Smith mailto:dsmith%40danplanet.com> > wrote: 

=
> Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ? I see where
> Chirp works with the 880 - steve

Having never laid hands on an ID-80 before, I'm not sure at what level
they are "the same". It's possible that they have different memory
formats (as do all the other radios) but that the software can read them
both. It's also possible that they truly use the same memory format
entirely, although I doubt it.

-- 
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Dan Smith]

>> Chirp will not read my id-80 icf file, it reports it's an unsupported radio.
> 
> Can you send me an ID-80 ICF file?  If you have a matching ID-880 ICF
> file to go with it, that would be helpful.

Gary sent me an ID-80AD ICF file.  The model data is different, but the
image format appears identical.  A quick tweak of the code and I can
read the ID-80 ICF file just fine.

I will include support for this in the next chirp beta I post.  I can
test that importing ID-80AD ICF files work, and that may cause full
cloning to work as well, but I won't be able to test it.  I can add a
little bit of debug to the next version so that someone with the actual
radio can log and send me that part of the exchange.

-- 
Dan Smith
dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@/
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Dan Smith]

> Chirp will not read my id-80 icf file, it reports it's an unsupported radio.

Can you send me an ID-80 ICF file?  If you have a matching ID-880 ICF
file to go with it, that would be helpful.

-- 
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Mike Besemer (WM4B)]

H…. Mine griped up a storm when I went to input my ID-880 file into my 
IC-80.

 

I solved the problem by exporting each 100 channel cluster into Excel and then 
importing it into the IC-80 file.  Musta been something funny.

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim Hardy AF1G
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:50 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

 

  

The ID880H and the IC80AD both use the same programming cable and the same 
software. The Icom software has a pulldown menu at the top to choose whether 
you are working with the 880 or the 80. All the programming parameters are the 
same for both radios. Once you have entered programming information into the 
software, you can load the same file into both radios just by selecting the 
correct radio from the top menu. You can also download the programming from an 
880 and load it into the 80, or vice-versa.

73 de Tim, AF1G

 Dan Smith mailto:dsmith%40danplanet.com> > wrote: 

=
> Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ? I see where
> Chirp works with the 880 - steve

Having never laid hands on an ID-80 before, I'm not sure at what level
they are "the same". It's possible that they have different memory
formats (as do all the other radios) but that the software can read them
both. It's also possible that they truly use the same memory format
entirely, although I doubt it.

-- 
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Gary]

Chirp will not read my id-80 icf file, it reports it's an unsupported radio.

Gary
KB2BSL
WG2MSK repeater

-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Smith
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:38 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

> Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ?  I see where 
> Chirp works with the 880 - steve

Having never laid hands on an ID-80 before, I'm not sure at what level they
are "the same".  It's possible that they have different memory formats (as
do all the other radios) but that the software can read them both.  It's
also possible that they truly use the same memory format entirely, although
I doubt it.

--
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS





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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

The ID880H and the IC80AD both use the same programming cable and the same 
software.  The Icom software has a pulldown menu at the top to choose whether 
you are working with the 880 or the 80.  All the programming parameters are the 
same for both radios.  Once you have entered programming information into the 
software, you can load the same file into both radios just by selecting the 
correct radio from the top menu.  You can also download the programming from an 
880 and load it into the 80, or vice-versa.

73 de Tim, AF1G


 Dan Smith  wrote: 

=
> Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ?  I see where
> Chirp works with the 880 - steve

Having never laid hands on an ID-80 before, I'm not sure at what level
they are "the same".  It's possible that they have different memory
formats (as do all the other radios) but that the software can read them
both.  It's also possible that they truly use the same memory format
entirely, although I doubt it.

-- 
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS





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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Dan Smith]

> Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ?  I see where
> Chirp works with the 880 - steve

Having never laid hands on an ID-80 before, I'm not sure at what level
they are "the same".  It's possible that they have different memory
formats (as do all the other radios) but that the software can read them
both.  It's also possible that they truly use the same memory format
entirely, although I doubt it.

-- 
Dan Smith
www.danplanet.com
KK7DS





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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

Yes, you can load the same file into both radios, or download the file from one 
radio and load it in the other.  That being said, it works with the Icom 
programming software.  I can't speak for Chirp, as I haven't used it, but I 
would expect it to work there as well.

73 de Tim, AF1G

 "Steve Bosshard (NU5D)"  wrote: 

=
Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ?  I see where Chirp
works with the 880 - steve

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gary  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the link to that program, never knew it existed.
>
> Unfortunately it doesn’t work with IC80 icf files.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> KB2BSL
>
> WG2MSK repeater
>
>
>
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Are the 80D and 880 icf convertible between each other ?  I see where Chirp
works with the 880 - steve

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gary  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the link to that program, never knew it existed.
>
> Unfortunately it doesn’t work with IC80 icf files.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> KB2BSL
>
> WG2MSK repeater
>
>
>
>

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Gary]

Thanks for the link to that program, never knew it existed.

Unfortunately it doesn't work with IC80 icf files.

 

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:46 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

 

  

Chirp lets you export into a spread sheet and import between models.

http://chirp.danplanet.com/

73 steve

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:48 AM, n2gyn  wrote:

Can a Icom 91AD ICF file be used with a 80AD file?

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Chirp lets you export into a spread sheet and import between models.

http://chirp.danplanet.com/

73 steve

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:48 AM, n2gyn  wrote:

> Can a Icom 91AD ICF file be used with a 80AD file?
>
-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Icom ICF Files

[John Hays]

ICF files really only make sense in a local area.  The best place to  
get local icf files is by talking to local D-STAR users.


You can see how to extract the data from a 91AD ICF here 
http://k7ve.org/blog/2007/06/csv-load-for-icom-ic-91ad/

The 880 and 80 are, to my knowledge, the only mutually compatible file  
format.


However, since the 880/80 software has cut and paste, you can take the  
csv generated from the 91AD ICF (documented on my blog, URL above) and  
open it in a spreadsheet and cut and paste columns into the 80AD  
program.



On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:48 AM, n2gyn wrote:


Can a Icom 91AD ICF file be used with a 80AD file?
Are the Icom ICF file compatible?
Also is their a website that people post there ICF files?

John
N2GYN


___


John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Reflector question

[Gerald Creager]

OK, I'll give that a try.

gerry

Peter Scherp wrote:
>  
> 
> restart Dplus on your server, that helps most,I do so,if I hear that 
> message,and after Reboot,it's gone
> AI4UE
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Joey  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  > Has anyone seen a problem where, when you attempt to link to a
>  > reflector, the response is, "Remote system is currently busy"? I get
>  > this consistently on several of 'em.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I could be wrong but I've seen that when the node you are attempting
> to link to is already linked elsewhere or that node has been setup
> to prevent (block) linking.
> 
> Joey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter Scherp
> 

-- 
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Reflector question

[Peter Scherp]

restart Dplus on your server, that helps most,I do so,if I hear that
message,and after Reboot,it's gone
AI4UE

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Joey  wrote:

>
>
>
> > Has anyone seen a problem where, when you attempt to link to a
> > reflector, the response is, "Remote system is currently busy"? I get
> > this consistently on several of 'em.
>
> Hi,
>
> I could be wrong but I've seen that when the node you are attempting to
> link to is already linked elsewhere or that node has been setup to prevent
> (block) linking.
>
> Joey
>
> 
>



-- 
Peter Scherp

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Debbie Fligor]

REF001 is having known server issues. I exchanged email with W9XA (who owns the 
system) yesterday as our repeater is one of the ones that can't connect.  He 
has a new server built and ready to install but hasn't been able to get time to 
take it to the hosting location.  As soon as he gets it swapped, things should 
get better.  I don't believe it's a dplus issue as Kermit knows of server 
problems.

This has been discussed in the Gateway list, and it has to do with REF001 not 
taking updates for gateways that have changed IP address since ~ 7/23.  If your 
gateway has a fixed IP address, or just hasn't changed since then, it works. If 
your gateway picked up a new dynamic IP address after that, it doesn't.

Using other reflectors in the mean time is the best option I know of.

73,
-debbie, N9DN


On Aug 17, 2010, at 0:56, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM wrote:

> 
> 
> I would suggest that since REF001 is having some issues, it might be time to
> look at using OTHER reflectors that are out there...
> 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Robbie De Lise]

Could you send me a copy of this script ?

Thx
Robbie
ON4SAX


On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tom Carpenter  wrote:

>
>
> On our repeaters here in Dist 1 in Michigan we are using a script that
> allows us to link and or unlink any time we want.  After there is no traffic
> for 10 min. the script will re-link the repeater to your default reflector
> link.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* J. Moen 
> *To:* dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:02 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue
>
>
>
> I wonder what percentage of USTrust repeaters allow anyone to issue DPlus
> unlink and link commands.  All the repeaters I have access to in the San
> Francisco Bay Area allow that.
>
> I typically do linking from a module that normally is not linked, and I
> unlink afterwards.  We all try to leave it in the state we found it.  Works
> for our community out here, anyway.
>
>Jim - K6JM
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Gary Lindtner 
> *To:* dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:32 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue
>
>
>  Well..
>
> We do not park the repeater on ANY reflector.
>
> Our policy allows open linking. I know, it's strange to let the user
> actually decide.
>
> As hardly any repeaters allow this, I can understand your assumption.
>
> It's much easier to just write a cron job to link/unlink every few hours.
>
> Please be assured that all other reflectors work just fine for us.
>
> Gary
>
> KB2BSL
>
> WG2MSK repeater
>
>  --
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Tom Carpenter]

On our repeaters here in Dist 1 in Michigan we are using a script that allows 
us to link and or unlink any time we want.  After there is no traffic for 10 
min. the script will re-link the repeater to your default reflector link.


Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: J. Moen 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue




  I wonder what percentage of USTrust repeaters allow anyone to issue DPlus 
unlink and link commands.  All the repeaters I have access to in the San 
Francisco Bay Area allow that.

  I typically do linking from a module that normally is not linked, and I 
unlink afterwards.  We all try to leave it in the state we found it.  Works for 
our community out here, anyway.
 
 Jim - K6JM

- Original Message - 
From: Gary Lindtner 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue
  

Well..


We do not park the repeater on ANY reflector.

Our policy allows open linking. I know, it's strange to let the user 
actually decide. 

As hardly any repeaters allow this, I can understand your assumption.

It's much easier to just write a cron job to link/unlink every few hours.


Please be assured that all other reflectors work just fine for us.


Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater


  


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14:35:00

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[J. Moen]

I wonder what percentage of USTrust repeaters allow anyone to issue DPlus 
unlink and link commands.  All the repeaters I have access to in the San 
Francisco Bay Area allow that.

I typically do linking from a module that normally is not linked, and I unlink 
afterwards.  We all try to leave it in the state we found it.  Works for our 
community out here, anyway.
   
   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gary Lindtner 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue


  Well..



  We do not park the repeater on ANY reflector.

  Our policy allows open linking. I know, it's strange to let the user actually 
decide. 

  As hardly any repeaters allow this, I can understand your assumption.

  It's much easier to just write a cron job to link/unlink every few hours.



  Please be assured that all other reflectors work just fine for us.



  Gary

  KB2BSL

  WG2MSK repeater

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Gary Lindtner]

Call sign routing is a great method of getting in touch with someone.

The only problem is you have to know who that someone is.

 

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John D. Hays
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:22 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue


Yes - though in testing for Dayton we clearly saw that a couple of hundred
streams through a reflector can be supported.

If more people would learn about the native D-STAR method of callsign
routing, calling targeted individuals and areas are easily supported.
Earlier this evening I had a nice QSO across the US, using callsign routing
specifically to his station.  The interesting side note is that the repeater
I was on, is registered on the UKTRUST and the repeater the other station
was using is registered on the USTRUST.  Both run ircDDB so we were able to
find each other by callsign and since I can hit another couple of repeaters
on ircDDB (USTRUST) I could have moved, without the other station even
knowing or caring.

Linking and reflectors are great tools, which I believe have enhanced D-STAR
for new users and wide area nets, but there is more to D-STAR than just
pumping voice through a reflector.

-- 

John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE <http://k7ve.org> 
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223

VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Gary Lindtner]

Well..

 

We do not park the repeater on ANY reflector.

Our policy allows open linking. I know, it's strange to let the user
actually decide. 

As hardly any repeaters allow this, I can understand your assumption.

It's much easier to just write a cron job to link/unlink every few hours.

 

Please be assured that all other reflectors work just fine for us.

 

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:56 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

 

  

I would suggest that since REF001 is having some issues, it might be time to

look at using OTHER reflectors that are out there...

 

Day In and Day Out, I see at least 10 emails about not being able to make it
into

REF001. 

 

Yes, 1C is the international CALLING Channel, but there are some 25+
reflectors out there

with 3 channels each that are barely being used...

 

I think we are getting thinned out a bit much with the RPTR / REFLECTOR in
each

hams backyard syndrome here... NOT that its a bad thing, but there are other

reflectors out there, while Robin and his testers go to work on figuring out

what ales REF001 use another, see if this issue is cropping up on
another

box don't bash it, test it out if more then one system shows the
same

issue, then we know there's a limit of operational means to the d-reflector
program

and Robin will get it fixed.

 

 

 

just saying

 

 

 

Evans F. Mitchell
KD4EFM / WQFK-894

 Fla. D-Star Tech Support Group
 http://www.florida-dstar.info <http://www.florida-dstar.info/> 

 Polk ARES A.E.C.
 http://www.polkemcomm.org <http://www.polkemcomm.org/> 

BB8330 PIN: 30965B58

 

 

  _  

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Lindtner
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:44 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

  

Greetings,

For the past month or so, I have been unable to link the WG2MSK repeater to
REF001C.

I have tried with echo "REF001CL" >/dstar/tmp/link-b and with the radio UR
set correctly.

All attempts yield the busy message.

No other reflectors seem to be an issue, just this one.

Any advice, or a pointer to a D-Plus discussion group would be appreciated.

Thanks

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[John D. Hays]

 On 8/16/2010 10:56 PM, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM wrote:


I would suggest that since REF001 is having some issues, it might be 
time to

look at using OTHER reflectors that are out there...
Day In and Day Out, I see at least 10 emails about not being able to 
make it into

REF001.
Yes, 1C is the international CALLING Channel, but there are some 25+ 
reflectors out there

with 3 channels each that are barely being used...
I think we are getting thinned out a bit much with the RPTR / 
REFLECTOR in each
hams backyard syndrome here... NOT that its a bad thing, but there are 
other
reflectors out there, while Robin and his testers go to work on 
figuring out
what ales REF001 use another, see if this issue is cropping up on 
another
box don't bash it, test it out if more then one system shows 
the same
issue, then we know there's a limit of operational means to the 
d-reflector program

and Robin will get it fixed.



Yes - though in testing for Dayton we clearly saw that a couple of 
hundred streams through a reflector can be supported.


If more people would learn about the native D-STAR method of callsign 
routing, calling targeted individuals and areas are easily supported.  
Earlier this evening I had a nice QSO across the US, using callsign 
routing specifically to his station.  The interesting side note is that 
the repeater I was on, is registered on the UKTRUST and the repeater the 
other station was using is registered on the USTRUST.  Both run ircDDB 
so we were able to find each other by callsign and since I can hit 
another couple of repeaters on ircDDB (USTRUST) I could have moved, 
without the other station even knowing or caring.


Linking and reflectors are great tools, which I believe have enhanced 
D-STAR for new users and wide area nets, but there is more to D-STAR 
than just pumping voice through a reflector.


--
John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE 
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org 

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM]

I would suggest that since REF001 is having some issues, it might be time to
look at using OTHER reflectors that are out there...
 
Day In and Day Out, I see at least 10 emails about not being able to make it
into
REF001. 
 
Yes, 1C is the international CALLING Channel, but there are some 25+
reflectors out there
with 3 channels each that are barely being used...
 
I think we are getting thinned out a bit much with the RPTR / REFLECTOR in
each
hams backyard syndrome here... NOT that its a bad thing, but there are other
reflectors out there, while Robin and his testers go to work on figuring out
what ales REF001 use another, see if this issue is cropping up on
another
box don't bash it, test it out if more then one system shows the
same
issue, then we know there's a limit of operational means to the d-reflector
program
and Robin will get it fixed.
 
 
 
just saying
 
 
 

Evans F. Mitchell
KD4EFM / WQFK-894

 Fla. D-Star Tech Support Group
 http://www.florida-dstar.info  

 Polk ARES A.E.C.
 http://www.polkemcomm.org  

BB8330 PIN: 30965B58



 

  _  

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Lindtner
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:44 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue


  


Greetings,

For the past month or so, I have been unable to link the WG2MSK repeater to
REF001C.

I have tried with echo "REF001CL" >/dstar/tmp/link-b and with the radio UR
set correctly.

All attempts yield the busy message.

No other reflectors seem to be an issue, just this one.

Any advice, or a pointer to a D-Plus discussion group would be appreciated.

Thanks

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] How long does it take get registered with the gateway system?

[J. Moen]

Just saw a note from Mike AE0MW that your registration request has been 
approved.  The most important thing is don't try to register on any other 
repeater.  That can really foul things up.

I don't know how Mike's repeater works, since different admins have different 
procedures, but some of them, after establishing your callsign in their 
database, take the next step for you and set up a "terminal" with your callsign 
and a blank "initial" or "node extension".  This is what everyone needs to get 
started.  

Other repeater procedures are to have you log on, once your call is in their 
database, and you need go to the Personal Information tab and create a new 
terminal with a blank "initial."   When that is completed, it can take from an 
hour to 24 or more hours for that information to propagate though the worldwide 
network.  But typically it is pretty quick.

If you need to do the above, your repeater folks may have their own 
documentation.  If not, take a look at 
http://www.dstargateway.org/D-Star_Registration.html

   Jim - K6JM

PS, to see if your information has propagated out, go to 
http://query.ki4swy.org/index.php and put in your callsign. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: djh...@rockwellcollins.com 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:01 PM
  Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] How long does it take get registered with the 
gateway system?



  I just started getting into this DSTAR stuff, and I have a question. 

  I just purchased a DV access point, and went to the nearest DSTAR repeater to 
get registered.  That was last week, and I have not heard anything since.  I 
tried going back to the gateway to login, but I get "ERROR!! : The registration 
of this CallSign not approved ! "   I also tried re-registering, but that gives 
me an error about already being in the system.  Does this mean I have been 
rejected, or is the sysop too busy to get to it yet? The error code is not very 
specific. 

  It tells me to go to my "local" DSTAR repeater, but this is my nearest one, 
100+ miles away, way out of repeater range.  Should I just try to go on to 
another repeater somewhere else, or wait a couple more weeks and try again? 

  license agreement from webpage: 

  Welcome to the KD0IAN D-Star Repeater. 
  Please note that only local area users who are known to the system 
administrators will be allowed to register on this gateway. 
  Out of area users should register on their local D-Star gateway. 


  Thanks, 
  David 
  W0IM - Cedar Rapids, IA 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[J. Moen]

Rick,

You've already gotten some excellent advice.  Let me just add this.  Since you 
live near Boston, you should be able to hear and talk to a D-Star repeater.  So 
first off, program your new radio to do that.  Steve's note outlines the basics.

If you only set up MyCall, UrCall = CQCQCQ,  the repeater frequency and offset, 
DV mode and RPT1 for the repeater and module (band) you are going to talk on, 
you will be able to talk to other local people through that repeater.   But a 
lot of the fun is to talk to people on other repeaters and reflectors.  
Basically, you need to program RPT2 for the same repeater callsign but with a G 
in the 8th position so when you talk, your transmission will be forwarded by 
that repeater's gateway to any connected (or linked to) repeater. 

Doing just that will open up a ton of fun.  

Later, assuming your repeater's admin allows users to issue link and unlink 
commands, learn how to do that.  This is called DPlus linking and unlinking, 
and it's really easy.  Sometimes in the middle of the night, I'll link the 
local repeater to a reflector in Europe and chat away with interesting people.  

During this whole phase, I strongly recommend you NOT read the part of your 
ICOM manual that talks about Callsign Routing, areas, zones, etc.  You will 
want to learn those things, but you don't need them to get started, and they 
are generally confusing to the person starting out in DStar.

Once you have some experience with all that, then go back and read about 
Callsign Routing, etc.  That can be fun, too.  But please, skip reading that 
stuff until later.  Have fun now.

   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Bosshard (NU5D) 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of 
me...lol

  It's can be intimidating Rick, but once you get the basics - not so bad.

  http://www.dstarusers.org/viewrepeater.php?system=W1MRA

  First - send / receive frequencies work just the same as FM except in 2M 
there may be some non- standard splits and you may have to program and odd 
split.  The database shows 145.160 minus offset -600 kHz.

  There are 4 fields in dstar that determine who and how you will talk.

  The easiest is MY.  My for you is KB1JSW and unless you change calls 
shouldn't change.

  Next is RPT1.  RPT1=W1RMA**C  -  C stands for the 2M band and by convention 
in the US is A for 23cm, B for 70cm and C for 2M.  In Japan A is the first 
repeater installed and B is the second repeater installed.

  dstar users shows that W1RMA is not connected to the gateway system, so RPT2 
is not used.

  Where there is a Gateway and you want your calls to go out of town, onto the 
network, the RPT=W1RMA**G  ([*] represents a blank space)

  RPT1 and RPT2 don't change unless you move to a different repeater for 
coverage.

  Finally, UR determines who you want to talk to.  For local calls set 
UR=CQCQCQ .  If your friends use call sign squelch (probably not) set UR=(your 
friend's call) and DSTAR will selectively call your friend.  If there is a 
gateway, the network will route your call the the repeater that you friend last 
used.

  There are many variations and add on features like reflectors that link many 
repeaters together, but this is just a get on the air and make a contact email. 
 Once you get familiar with the basics it get to be old hat.

  73, steve





  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rick  wrote:

Hi,
I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go to 
pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff the more 
nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the death of 
me...lol ?

Thanks
--Rick McKinney
 KB1JSW
 Outside of Boston

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] REF001C weird linking issue

[John D. Hays]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DStar-Gateway/message/5521

On 8/16/2010 7:44 PM, Gary Lindtner wrote:Greetings,


For the past month or so, I have been unable to link the WG2MSK 
repeater to REF001C.


I have tried with echo "REF001CL" >/dstar/tmp/link-b and with the 
radio UR set correctly.


All attempts yield the busy message.

No other reflectors seem to be an issue, just this one.

Any advice, or a pointer to a D-Plus discussion group would be 
appreciated.


Thanks

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater


--
John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE 
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] How long does it take get registered with the gateway system?

[Michael A. Waldron]

For some reason we did not get an email from the system telling us your 
registration was pending so we never knew to look to approve it.

I've gone in and approved your registration.

Sorry for the delay, hope to hear you on the air soon!

73's de AE0MW

-Mike


On 8/16/2010 3:01 PM, djh...@rockwellcollins.com wrote:
>
>
> I just started getting into this DSTAR stuff, and I have a question.
>
> I just purchased a DV access point, and went to the nearest DSTAR repeater to 
> get registered. That was last week, and I have not heard anything since. I 
> tried going back to the gateway to login, but I get "ERROR!! : The 
> registration of this CallSign not approved ! " I also tried re-registering, 
> but that gives me an error about already being in the system. Does this mean 
> I have been rejected, or is the sysop too busy to get to it yet? The error 
> code is not very specific.
>
> It tells me to go to my "local" DSTAR repeater, but this is my nearest one, 
> 100+ miles away, way out of repeater range. Should I just try to go on to 
> another repeater somewhere else, or wait a couple more weeks and try again?
>
> license agreement from webpage:
>
> Welcome to the KD0IAN D-Star Repeater.
> Please note that only local area users who are known to the system 
> administrators will be allowed to register on this gateway.
> Out of area users should register on their local D-Star gateway.
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
> W0IM - Cedar Rapids, IA


-- 
Michael A. Waldron, AE0MW
http://www.mikew.org
PGP: http://www.mikew.org/mypgpkey.txt

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Francis Miele]

don't let it to you. We are hear to help.

--
Fran, W1FJM




On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Rick  wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
> I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go to
> pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff the
> more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the death
> of me...lol ?
>
> Thanks
> --Rick McKinney
> KB1JSW
> Outside of Boston
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] How long does it take get registered with the gateway system?

[Aaron Elekes]

http://www.dstartx.com

Same day registration

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2010, at 15:01, djh...@rockwellcollins.com wrote:

> I just started getting into this DSTAR stuff, and I have a question. 
> 
> I just purchased a DV access point, and went to the nearest DSTAR repeater to 
> get registered.  That was last week, and I have not heard anything since.  I 
> tried going back to the gateway to login, but I get "ERROR!! : The 
> registration of this CallSign not approved ! "   I also tried re-registering, 
> but that gives me an error about already being in the system.  Does this mean 
> I have been rejected, or is the sysop too busy to get to it yet? The error 
> code is not very specific. 
> 
> It tells me to go to my "local" DSTAR repeater, but this is my nearest one, 
> 100+ miles away, way out of repeater range.  Should I just try to go on to 
> another repeater somewhere else, or wait a couple more weeks and try again? 
> 
> license agreement from webpage: 
> 
> Welcome to the KD0IAN D-Star Repeater. 
> Please note that only local area users who are known to the system 
> administrators will be allowed to register on this gateway. 
> Out of area users should register on their local D-Star gateway. 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> David 
> W0IM - Cedar Rapids, IA 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Donald James]

That's was a short and funny read - thanks Rick!

Donald ~ N2VU

 

 

-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mwbese...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:35 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of
me...lol

 

  

But to answer Rick's original question, I know I'LL be dead if my wife 
ever sees the credit card receipts! (And all because Tim drug me into 
it with him!)

Welcome, Rick!

73,

Mike
WM4B

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
> Don't worry about that. Using D-Star is similar to things you may 
> already
> have done.
>
>
> First, you can program all your normal FM repeaters and freqs into it. 
> The
> D-Star programming is similar - frequency and offset for repeaters, 
> but no
> PL or DCS tones. You then add routing instructions to tell the radio 
> how
> you want to use it, locally on a nearby repeater or linked to another
> repeater or reflector. You put this information into each of the 
> channels.
>
>
> For example, using a traditional FM radio, you want to talk on 
> repeater A
> that you have programmed into channel 1 on your radio. To do that you 
> turn
> the channel selector to channel one and talk. For repeater B you 
> program
> another channel and select channel 2 to talk there.
>
>
> Once you've programmed your D-Star channels, you do the same thing. 
> To talk
> on the local repeater, your select the channel position you've 
> programmed to
> do that. To talk on a distant repeater, you select the channel you've
> programmed for that. It's all in the programming, but once you've 
> done
> that, it's just selecting the channel/path you want to use.
>
>
> It's also similar to Echolink, in that when you're linked to a 
> reflector or
> distant repeater, you are using VOIP in addition to local RF.
>
>
> For me, the easiest way to learn and understand the nuances of the
> programming was to get someone who has been a D-Star user to email me 
> their
> programming file for their radio. Find someone in your area with an 
> ID-880H
> and "borrow" their programming file to get you started. Once you see 
> "how"
> it works, I believe you've find it to be a lot easier than most people 
> think
> (those who've never tried D-Star, that is).
>
>
> I am still a relative newbie to D-Star but I'm so enthused about it 
> that I'm
> building my own non-Icom D-Star repeater.
>
>
> Hope to meet you on the air soon!
>
>
> 73 de Tim, AF1G
>
>
>
> From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:07 PM
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of
> me...lol
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go 
> to
> pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff 
> the
> more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the 
> death
> of me...lol ?
>
> Thanks
> --Rick McKinney
> KB1JSW
> Outside of Boston
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3071 - Release Date: 
> 08/16/10
> 02:35:00

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Mike Murphy]

Rick,

You will love the 880 (I have several of them).

Let me echo that you should indeed purchase the programming cable for it and 
download the software from Icom.  I would be glad to share my icf file with you 
if that would help you get started or you can find examples on them of the 
DSTAR 
sites.

There is a learning curve, but let me suggest that you (if you have not 
already) 
go to Youtube and search for KN4AQ and watch his 2 DSTAR videos.  They are well 
done and while they don't specifically cover the 880, they will give you a 
better understanding of what you are getting into.  Gary does a great job with 
his videos.

 
Then get on the air and have fun.  I'm sure in time you will become a 
DSTARaholic like the rest of us.

Look for you on the air.

73!

__


Michael Murphy - KD8OK


kd...@yahoo.com


twitter.com/kd8ok
__





From: Rick 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:07:07 PM
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of 
me...lol

   
Hi,
I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go to pick 
up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff the more 
nervous 
I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the death of 
me...lol ?

Thanks
--Rick McKinney
KB1JSW
Outside of Boston


 

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

Mike, You’ve been enjoying every minute of it!

 

Tim, AF1G

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of mwbese...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:35 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of 
me...lol

 

  

But to answer Rick's original question, I know I'LL be dead if my wife 
ever sees the credit card receipts! (And all because Tim drug me into 
it with him!)

Welcome, Rick!

73,

Mike
WM4B

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
> Don't worry about that. Using D-Star is similar to things you may 
> already
> have done.
>
>
> First, you can program all your normal FM repeaters and freqs into it. 
> The
> D-Star programming is similar - frequency and offset for repeaters, 
> but no
> PL or DCS tones. You then add routing instructions to tell the radio 
> how
> you want to use it, locally on a nearby repeater or linked to another
> repeater or reflector. You put this information into each of the 
> channels.
>
>
> For example, using a traditional FM radio, you want to talk on 
> repeater A
> that you have programmed into channel 1 on your radio. To do that you 
> turn
> the channel selector to channel one and talk. For repeater B you 
> program
> another channel and select channel 2 to talk there.
>
>
> Once you've programmed your D-Star channels, you do the same thing. 
> To talk
> on the local repeater, your select the channel position you've 
> programmed to
> do that. To talk on a distant repeater, you select the channel you've
> programmed for that. It's all in the programming, but once you've 
> done
> that, it's just selecting the channel/path you want to use.
>
>
> It's also similar to Echolink, in that when you're linked to a 
> reflector or
> distant repeater, you are using VOIP in addition to local RF.
>
>
> For me, the easiest way to learn and understand the nuances of the
> programming was to get someone who has been a D-Star user to email me 
> their
> programming file for their radio. Find someone in your area with an 
> ID-880H
> and "borrow" their programming file to get you started. Once you see 
> "how"
> it works, I believe you've find it to be a lot easier than most people 
> think
> (those who've never tried D-Star, that is).
>
>
> I am still a relative newbie to D-Star but I'm so enthused about it 
> that I'm
> building my own non-Icom D-Star repeater.
>
>
> Hope to meet you on the air soon!
>
>
> 73 de Tim, AF1G
>
>
>
> From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:07 PM
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of
> me...lol
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go 
> to
> pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff 
> the
> more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the 
> death
> of me...lol ?
>
> Thanks
> --Rick McKinney
> KB1JSW
> Outside of Boston
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3071 - Release Date: 
> 08/16/10
> 02:35:00



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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[mwbesemer]

But to answer Rick's original question, I know I'LL be dead if my wife 
ever sees the credit card receipts!  (And all because Tim drug me into 
it with him!)

Welcome, Rick!

73,

Mike
WM4B


On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
> Don't worry about that.  Using D-Star is similar to things you may 
> already
> have done.
>
>
> First, you can program all your normal FM repeaters and freqs into it. 
> The
> D-Star programming is similar - frequency and offset for repeaters, 
> but no
> PL or DCS tones.  You then add routing instructions to tell the radio 
> how
> you want to use it, locally on a nearby repeater or linked to another
> repeater or reflector.  You put this information into each of the 
> channels.
>
>
> For example, using a traditional FM radio, you want to talk on 
> repeater A
> that you have programmed into channel 1 on your radio.  To do that you 
> turn
> the channel selector to channel one and talk.  For repeater B you 
> program
> another channel and select channel 2 to talk there.
>
>
> Once you've programmed your D-Star channels, you do the same thing. 
> To talk
> on the local repeater, your select the channel position you've 
> programmed to
> do that.  To talk on a distant repeater, you select the channel you've
> programmed for that.  It's all in the programming, but once you've 
> done
> that, it's just selecting the channel/path  you want to use.
>
>
> It's also similar to Echolink, in that when you're linked to a 
> reflector or
> distant repeater, you are using VOIP in addition to local RF.
>
>
> For me, the easiest way to learn and understand the nuances of the
> programming was to get someone who has been a D-Star user to email me 
> their
> programming file for their radio.  Find someone in your area with an 
> ID-880H
> and "borrow" their programming file to get you started.  Once you see 
> "how"
> it works, I believe you've find it to be a lot easier than most people 
> think
> (those who've never tried D-Star, that is).
>
>
> I am still a relative newbie to D-Star but I'm so enthused about it 
> that I'm
> building my own non-Icom D-Star repeater.
>
>
> Hope to meet you on the air soon!
>
>
> 73 de Tim, AF1G
>
>
>
> From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:07 PM
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of
> me...lol
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go 
> to
> pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff 
> the
> more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the 
> death
> of me...lol ?
>
> Thanks
> --Rick McKinney
> KB1JSW
> Outside of Boston
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3071 - Release Date: 
> 08/16/10
> 02:35:00

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

It's can be intimidating Rick, but once you get the basics - not so bad.

http://www.dstarusers.org/viewrepeater.php?system=W1MRA

First - send / receive frequencies work just the same as FM except in 2M
there may be some non- standard splits and you may have to program and odd
split.  The database shows 145.160 minus offset -600 kHz.

There are 4 fields in dstar that determine who and how you will talk.

The easiest is MY.  My for you is KB1JSW and unless you change calls
shouldn't change.

Next is RPT1.  RPT1=W1RMA**C  -  C stands for the 2M band and by convention
in the US is A for 23cm, B for 70cm and C for 2M.  In Japan A is the first
repeater installed and B is the second repeater installed.

dstar users shows that W1RMA is not connected to the gateway system, so RPT2
is not used.

Where there is a Gateway and you want your calls to go out of town, onto the
network, the RPT=W1RMA**G  ([*] represents a blank space)

RPT1 and RPT2 don't change unless you move to a different repeater for
coverage.

Finally, UR determines who you want to talk to.  For local calls set
UR=CQCQCQ .  If your friends use call sign squelch (probably not) set
UR=(your friend's call) and DSTAR will selectively call your friend.  If
there is a gateway, the network will route your call the the repeater that
you friend last used.

There are many variations and add on features like reflectors that link many
repeaters together, but this is just a get on the air and make a contact
email.  Once you get familiar with the basics it get to be old hat.

73, steve



On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rick  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go to
> pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff the
> more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the death
> of me...lol ?
>
> Thanks
> --Rick McKinney
>  KB1JSW
>  Outside of Boston
>
>
-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of me...........lol

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

Rick,

 

Don't worry about that.  Using D-Star is similar to things you may already
have done.

 

First, you can program all your normal FM repeaters and freqs into it.  The
D-Star programming is similar - frequency and offset for repeaters, but no
PL or DCS tones.  You then add routing instructions to tell the radio how
you want to use it, locally on a nearby repeater or linked to another
repeater or reflector.  You put this information into each of the channels.

 

For example, using a traditional FM radio, you want to talk on repeater A
that you have programmed into channel 1 on your radio.  To do that you turn
the channel selector to channel one and talk.  For repeater B you program
another channel and select channel 2 to talk there.

 

Once you've programmed your D-Star channels, you do the same thing.  To talk
on the local repeater, your select the channel position you've programmed to
do that.  To talk on a distant repeater, you select the channel you've
programmed for that.  It's all in the programming, but once you've done
that, it's just selecting the channel/path  you want to use.

 

It's also similar to Echolink, in that when you're linked to a reflector or
distant repeater, you are using VOIP in addition to local RF.

 

For me, the easiest way to learn and understand the nuances of the
programming was to get someone who has been a D-Star user to email me their
programming file for their radio.  Find someone in your area with an ID-880H
and "borrow" their programming file to get you started.  Once you see "how"
it works, I believe you've find it to be a lot easier than most people think
(those who've never tried D-Star, that is).

 

I am still a relative newbie to D-Star but I'm so enthused about it that I'm
building my own non-Icom D-Star repeater.

 

Hope to meet you on the air soon!

 

73 de Tim, AF1G

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:07 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IS this D-Star going to be the death of
me...lol

 

  

Hi,
I'm a new member, I don't have a D-Star as of yet but am planing to go to
pick up an 88o today or tomorrow. The more I read some of this stuff the
more nervous I get that it'll be over my head. Is it going to be the death
of me...lol ?

Thanks
--Rick McKinney
KB1JSW
Outside of Boston



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Petition PDF

[Bob McCormick W1QA]

> Click on the "Visit Your Group" link at the bottom of these notes, then
> Log In and go to the Files section of that website, where we can upload
> files to be share with others who subscribe to this list.

Not everyone who is subscribed to this list (like myself) 
has a Yahoo! login.  If the petition is posted in a public
location can someone post that link?  (Or alternatively
I'd welcome a copy of it via email to the address used 
in posting this reply.)

73 - Bob W1QA

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Dvap question

[Gary Pearce KN4AQ]

Hi, Mike,

Welcome to D-STAR!

Try the connection again. It takes some time (up to a few hours) to 
propagate information about newly registered hams to all the repeaters on 
the network. "Receive only" indicates that the system you link to doesn't 
have a record that you are registered. So it should work today.


73,
Gary KN4AQ

PS - a friend of mine in Raleigh NC is Mike Murphy WA4BPJ - one of another 
44 "Michael Murphy's" in the FCC database.


At 11:19 PM 8/14/2010, KD8OK  wrote:


I picked up a dvap earlier today. Setup was easy and it was up and running 
in short order.


I can connect tx an rx to any reflector that I have tried, however I can 
only connect rx only to the local repeaters (3 in my area).


Am I missing something.

Thanks!


ARVN: Amateur Radio//Video News
Gary Pearce KN4AQ
508 Spencer Crest Ct.
Cary, NC 27513
kn...@arvideonews.com
919-380-9944
www.ARVideoNews.com  

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Dvap question

[Francis Miele]

Make sure you have registered the call sign you are using with the DVAP.

Fran Signature

--

Fran  , W1FJM


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On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mike Murphy  wrote:

>
>
> I picked up a dvap earlier today. Setup was easy and it was up and running
> in short order.
>
> I can connect tx an rx to any reflector that I have tried, however I can
> only connect rx only to the local repeaters (3 in my area).
>
> Am I missing something.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Rats

[Carl Davis]

I have it working on XP.  I am pretty sure it works on Vista.  Make sure you 
install the text line properly with the slash and C: and not spaces in the 
environmental spot.  Also, did you download the dictionary file that aspell 
needs to spell check?  That is a common snag.
Carl, KB1EJH

--- On Sat, 8/14/10, paul_ka3qxb  wrote:

> From: paul_ka3qxb 
> Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Rats
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 10:04 PM
> Does anyone have the spell check
> functioning in D-Rats?  I am using Windows Vista and
> have followed the instructions but still the spell check
> function is grayed out.
> 
> Paul, KA3QXB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to
> include the original  message in reply unless needed
> for clarity.  ThanksYahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>     dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 


  

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Petition PDF

[J. Moen]

Click on the "Visit Your Group" link at the bottom of these notes, then Log In 
and go to the Files section of that website, where we can upload files to be 
share with others who subscribe to this list.

   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: bosshardss 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:57 PM
  Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Petition PDF

  Is there a website or url where someone can download the PDF if they want to 
? Just post the link and then anyone interested can download the petition.

  steve

  > Since attachments are NOT allowed, email me and I will send you
  > the file directly.
  > 
  > Evans F. Mitchell
  > KD4EFM 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] questions about architecture and reflectors

[Tony Langdon]

At 06:13 AM 8/14/2010, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm busy scraping together money for a D-STAR radio.  Someone has 
>loaned me a dongle, and I've been playing around with that.  I'm 
>reading up on D-STAR as much as I can.  I have a couple questions:
>
>I've read about the various Trust Servers, and I'm curious how it 
>all works.  I read that there is such a thing as a "multi-trust" 
>gateway, which can't communicate with a gateway using the K5TIT 
>Trust Server.  I also read that there is some work-around so that 
>Japanese stations and US stations (and presumably stations on 
>gateways in other countries that use the K5TIT Trust Server) can talk.

I know of 3 trust networks, the Japanese network, K5TIT and Open 
D-STAR/Multitrust.

The Japanese and K5TIT networks can communicate with each other, the 
Multitrust is entirely separate.

>My next question concerns D-STAR reflectors.  I know that reflectors 
>are made possible by DPlus, thanks to Robin AA4RC.  I presume that 
>these reflectors are just computers in server rooms with good 
>internet connections, and that a reflector doesn't have to be 
>connected to an ID-RP2C repeater controller.  I'm curious, is there 
>a list of who sponsors and pays for these reflectors?  It must be 
>expensive to keep a colocated server going, and I would like to know 
>whom to thank.

I haven't seen a list of reflector sponsors.  However, the cost of 
running a reflector depends on a number of factors, most notably type 
of Internet connection, type of server and what other financial 
arrangements are in place.  I run REF023, and it's not particularly 
expensive to run.  I'm using a virtual private server, hosted in a 
data centre for the reflector.

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] questions about architecture and reflectors

[Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM]

Please see my notes in-between you questions, and welcome to the Digital
World!
 
 
 
I'm busy scraping together money for a D-STAR radio. Someone has loaned me a
dongle, and I've been playing around with that. I'm reading up on D-STAR as
much as I can. I have a couple questions:

I've read about the various Trust Servers, and I'm curious how it all works.
I read that there is such a thing as a "multi-trust" gateway, which can't
communicate with a gateway using the K5TIT Trust Server. I also read that
there is some work-around so that Japanese stations and US stations (and
presumably stations on gateways in other countries that use the K5TIT Trust
Server) can talk.
 
This work around is specific between the USROOT and Japan ROOT. Not a
concern for any user, as this is an
ICOM proprietary thing between the two servers...
There is no real documented manuals or wiki's on a TRUST SERVER. Just is
what it is.
 
 
Is there a list somewhere of the other major Trust Servers, and what
countries they serve, and whether they have agreements with the K5TIT Trust
Server? Mainly I'm just curious about which gateways I can talk to, and
which I can't. (I heard about the unique situation in France.) 
 
There are SPLINTER GROUPS, groups that choose not to be on the USROOT
network, and then those who are.
Those who are part of the USROOT "tree"  can be found on dstarusers.org.
 
There are two other groups that are out there, but since your asking on
DSTAR, I will focus on this grouping.
The others allow PBX, Analog interface, and or other forms of external
connections to the dstar data
protocol.
IN A NUT SHELL: cross connections ARE out there, but 98% of the USROOT
admins are
vigorous about maintaining per DSTAR signals over injections from Analog
(hang timers, and other
sounds...) By the way try sending a sound over digital that is not created
by the originating radio
like a 1k Hz tone, and you will have a tone that just went into a blender
for wild ride 
 
 
 
 
My next question concerns D-STAR reflectors. I know that reflectors are made
possible by DPlus, thanks to Robin AA4RC. I presume that these reflectors
are just computers in server rooms with good internet connections, and that
a reflector doesn't have to be connected to an ID-RP2C repeater controller.
I'm curious, is there a list of who sponsors and pays for these reflectors?
It must be expensive to keep a colocated server going, and I would like to
know whom to thank. 
 
MOST of these people do it out of the respect to Amateur Radio, and are also
HAMS themselves.
(They lurk on this group)
In a nutshell, the reflectors or on 10Mbps on up to DS3 / OC3, and a couple
are even so high up
the food chain, they sit literally on two 3Terabps fibers with OC128
redundancy, "Chicogo" and Dallas.
The two and maybe a third UK reflectors sit on 100Mbps fibers.
Yes, collocated in Datacenters, these machines are not your homebrew slap
together blade servers...
 
Expense... I can not answer that other then YES, someone has to foot the
bill
 
 

73,
- Rob W7GH
 
Back to you Rob
 
 
Evans F. Mitchell
KD4EFM / WQFK-894

 Fla. D-Star Tech Support Group
 http://www.florida-dstar.info  

 Polk ARES A.E.C.
 http://www.polkemcomm.org  

BB8330 PIN: 30965B58



 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] questions about architecture and reflectors

[John Hays]

On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Rob wrote:


Hi all,

I'm busy scraping together money for a D-STAR radio. Someone has  
loaned me a dongle, and I've been playing around with that. I'm  
reading up on D-STAR as much as I can. I have a couple questions:


I've read about the various Trust Servers, and I'm curious how it  
all works. I read that there is such a thing as a "multi-trust"  
gateway, which can't communicate with a gateway using the K5TIT  
Trust Server. I also read that there is some work-around so that  
Japanese stations and US stations (and presumably stations on  
gateways in other countries that use the K5TIT Trust Server) can talk.


Is there a list somewhere of the other major Trust Servers, and what  
countries they serve, and whether they have agreements with the  
K5TIT Trust Server? Mainly I'm just curious about which gateways I  
can talk to, and which I can't. (I heard about the unique situation  
in France.)


My next question concerns D-STAR reflectors. I know that reflectors  
are made possible by DPlus, thanks to Robin AA4RC. I presume that  
these reflectors are just computers in server rooms with good  
internet connections, and that a reflector doesn't have to be  
connected to an ID-RP2C repeater controller. I'm curious, is there a  
list of who sponsors and pays for these reflectors? It must be  
expensive to keep a colocated server going, and I would like to know  
whom to thank.


73,
- Rob W7GH





The K5TIT USTRUST is the primary trust server with the majority of  
gateways around the world, it pretty much only supports Icom and G4ULF  
gateway implementations.  (400+ see http://dsync.dstarusers.org/)
The multi/Xtrust is a group of trust servers that have a smaller group  
of gateways but are open to more gateway implementations (including  
all on K5TIT plus others). (See http://uktrust.xreflector.net/multiTrust.php)
K5TIT and the Multi-Trust do not interoperate or update each other.   
The Multi-Trust was seeded with K5TIT registered callsigns initially,  
but you must now register on each independently.


K5TIT is setup to allow callsign routing information to be transferred  
to and from the Japan Trust which runs an older version of the  
software. Japan gateways do not use DPLUS, you must use callsign  
routing.


IRCDDB has the mechanism to update individual station location  
information (what repeater was station w1xyz last on) -- see http://ircddb.net


The K5TIT USTRUST  does reflectors and linking using Robin (AA4RC)'s  
DPLUS software (including DPLUS for gateways and reflectors, DVTOOL  
for DVDongles, and the DVAP device ... it also supports the DVAR  
Hotspot)
The Multi-TRUST could run DPLUS but mostly uses DEXTRA and a variety  
of clients to accomplish the same effect as DPLUS (It has equivalents  
to DVTOOL, Hotspot, etc.)  You can find the software on the Yahoo!  
group pcrepeatercontroller in the files section.


The DPLUS Reflectors are listed here: 
http://www.dstarinfo.com/Reflectors/Reflectors.aspx
The Dextra Reflectors are listed here: 
http://de.xreflector.net/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=25

Most of the reflectors are self financed and sometimes the bandwidth  
and server space are donated but a thank you note (and/or  
contribution) would be helpful.  Not all reflectors are in data-centers.



John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Tony Langdon]

At 07:47 AM 8/12/2010, you wrote:


>  hand the breaking station knows what repeater or ham call he is 
> trying to reach with call sign routing.  (and if by a pc on the 
> internet looking at dstarusers.org know who 
> is occupying what repeater).

Assuming they have Internet access.  We can't assume this.  They 
might be a mobile station, so we have to assume that many of the 
contacts are "blind" when using callsign routing.

>I have never played with IRLP or Echolink but in 30 years of PMR / 
>Land Mobile service I have seen some of the very best and also some 
>of the very worst amateur linked systems in terms of audio levels, 
>quality, noise and distortion.  Dstar seems to be consistent in that 
>stations are all

Well, you get that mix with IRLP and Echolink as well, from audio 
almost as good as a hardwired link, to lousy. :)

>pretty much equal in loudness and there is no white noise / crackle, 
>etc.  Instead we have loss of sync beyond forward error correction's 
>ability to fill in the blanks.  R2D2, so to speak.

However, this is beside the point.  The thread was about the relative 
"intrusiveness" of callsign routing vs linking.


>For me, a hybrid of linking and callsign routing works best.  One 
>size doesn't fit all.
>
>I am sure each system has it's pluses and minuses - as said 
>"different horses for different courses."

Yep, agree 100% on this one, and I'm happy to use both (when I can - 
out here, direct RF access is quite limited, so restricted to DPlus 
most of the time these days by the available technology).

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Absolutely true about occasional breaking stations in between 'overs' during
a conversation.  I try and leave a few seconds pause between PTTs just to
accommodate breaking stations (who have no clue about the conversation in
progress).  Also I / the station I am in contact with have the option to
ignore the breaking station.  I do agree that it can be a bit disrupting.
On the other hand the breaking station knows what repeater or ham call he is
trying to reach with call sign routing.  (and if by a pc on the internet
looking at dstarusers.org know who is occupying what repeater).

I have never played with IRLP or Echolink but in 30 years of PMR / Land
Mobile service I have seen some of the very best and also some of the very
worst amateur linked systems in terms of audio levels, quality, noise and
distortion.  Dstar seems to be consistent in that stations are all pretty
much equal in loudness and there is no white noise / crackle, etc.  Instead
we have loss of sync beyond forward error correction's ability to fill in
the blanks.  R2D2, so to speak.

For me, a hybrid of linking and callsign routing works best.  One size
doesn't fit all.

I am sure each system has it's pluses and minuses - as said "different
horses for different courses."

steve



On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Tony Langdon  wrote:

> At 02:35 AM 8/12/2010, you wrote:
>
>
> Callsign routing has similar limitations, even more so, because it's
> a stateless system.  Before DPlus came to Melbourne, it was not
> uncommon to have a routed conversation taking place, and someone else
> from an entirely different part of the world put out a call, because
> they just happened to slip in between transmissions.  The status
> reporting via the radio is all well and good, but my experience over
> the last 10 years (IRLP has a similar mechanism that attempts to
> avoid intruding on local QSOs before making a link) is that it's
> actually quite common for the timing to be such that the query about
> remote end status occurs in between transmissions.
>
> On IRLP, the answer is to listen before transmitting, just in
> case.  With callsign routing, this is not possible (because it's one
> way stateless and doesn't setup a link), and you're operating totally
> blind.  On IRLP, it's also possible to set a time after the last
> transmission where the node will report itself as "busy" to incoming
> connections.  This prevents connections sneaking in between local
> transmissions.
>
> Just pointing out that callsign routing is not immune to intruding in
> on remote conversations and in some cases can be even worse.  At
> least with DPlus, you can wait a few minutes after linking and
> eventually hear the remote conversation, or not.
>
> We need to be aware of the limitations of whatever technology we're
> using.  DPlus and callsign routing both have their respective limitations.
>
> 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
> http://vkradio.com
>
>

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Tony Langdon]

At 02:35 AM 8/12/2010, you wrote:


>One of the shortcomings of the linking arrangement - the near 
>station has no idea whether the far end station is linked or not 
>unless the near station has internet access.  The near station 
>cannot interfere with a contact on the far end or transmit over the 
>far end station.  If the far end is

Callsign routing has similar limitations, even more so, because it's 
a stateless system.  Before DPlus came to Melbourne, it was not 
uncommon to have a routed conversation taking place, and someone else 
from an entirely different part of the world put out a call, because 
they just happened to slip in between transmissions.  The status 
reporting via the radio is all well and good, but my experience over 
the last 10 years (IRLP has a similar mechanism that attempts to 
avoid intruding on local QSOs before making a link) is that it's 
actually quite common for the timing to be such that the query about 
remote end status occurs in between transmissions.

On IRLP, the answer is to listen before transmitting, just in 
case.  With callsign routing, this is not possible (because it's one 
way stateless and doesn't setup a link), and you're operating totally 
blind.  On IRLP, it's also possible to set a time after the last 
transmission where the node will report itself as "busy" to incoming 
connections.  This prevents connections sneaking in between local 
transmissions.

Just pointing out that callsign routing is not immune to intruding in 
on remote conversations and in some cases can be even worse.  At 
least with DPlus, you can wait a few minutes after linking and 
eventually hear the remote conversation, or not.

We need to be aware of the limitations of whatever technology we're 
using.  DPlus and callsign routing both have their respective limitations.

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

Yes, a very neat feature.  Being primarily a DVAP user at this moment, I can't 
make much use of callsign routing, but in the near future we shall have two 
D-Star repeaters in my area - one funded by the GA Emergency Management Agency 
(GEMA) and one I'm building.

Nice to meet you on the air, too.  Look forward to chatting again soon.  Will 
be going to the Huntsville, AL hamfest weekend after next to learn more about 
D-Star.

73 de Tim, AF1G

 "Steve Bosshard (NU5D)"  wrote: 

=
Thanks for the chat this morning Tim.  Nice to set UR=AF1G, me call and you
answer, no wondering what repeater or reflector you might be using.  Really
slick.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

> I enjoy all the posts and learn quite a bit just by reading them,
> especially as a relatively new D-Star user myself.  Not only am I learning
> how it works but also how to use it more effectively and efficiently.
>

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Thanks for the chat this morning Tim.  Nice to set UR=AF1G, me call and you
answer, no wondering what repeater or reflector you might be using.  Really
slick.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

> I enjoy all the posts and learn quite a bit just by reading them,
> especially as a relatively new D-Star user myself.  Not only am I learning
> how it works but also how to use it more effectively and efficiently.
>

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

One of the shortcomings of the linking arrangement - the near station has no
idea whether the far end station is linked or not unless the near station
has internet access.  The near station cannot interfere with a contact on
the far end or transmit over the far end station.  If the far end is busy
the near end will get RPT* or RPT? in their display letting them know that
the far end was busy (call sign routed calls).  The near end station can
cause the far end repeater to transmit during gaps or pauses between
transmission.  When the near end does successfully transmit to the far end,
then near end station will get UR* in their display letting them know they
reached their destination.

The dashboard, one of the niceties of Dplus will tell you via internet, the
status of the far end repeater:  https://k5ctx.dstargateway.org/

Reflector calls routed to CQCQCQ and RPT2 set to Gateway always display RPT?
because as far as DSTAR (not Dplus) is concerned the call never reached
destination.

steve

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:43 AM, kg8iu  wrote:

> Fascinating.  And very, very informative.
>
> Is there any way for a DStar user, either RF or Dongle, to determine the
> link status of a far-end repeater node?
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Jim McCloskey]

If you go to the dashboard page for that repeater, you can see the current 
status of it's modules.

Jim, NS3K





From: kg8iu 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 10:43:42 AM
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

  
Fascinating. And very, very informative.

Is there any way for a DStar user, either RF or Dongle, to determine the link 
status of a far-end repeater node? In this case, for example, could Yoh have 
gleaned the fact that WB8THD C was linked to REF001C before making his /WB8THDC 
CQ call?

If I wanted to make a CQ call to, say, /W4AES B, is there any way from my 880 I 
could find out if it were linked first?

Thanks,
Jeff KG8IU

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "n0...@..."  wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> The station was JA7NJN, Yoh.
> This was picked up on KJ4MMC at the AES store in Orlando, which is always on 
>REF001 C.
> This is the second transmission from Yoh:
> 
> "Remote gateway tx start (REF001 C) streamid fe26 hdr BAD 2010/08/09 
>09:30:40.899
> rpt2 (REF001 C) rpt1 (WB8THD G) urcall (CQCQCQ ) mycall (JA7NJN /YOH )
> user message (CAPTURE CALL BY R>CS) mycall (JA7NJN ) streamid fe26
> hdr f 40 r2 JP1YJR G r1 JP1YJR ur /WB8THDC my JA7NJN /YOH fc 32e6 OK
> Remote gateway tx end (REF001 C) streamid fe26 cnt 94 missed 0 2010/08/09 
>09:30:42.383"
> 
> The header would indicate he was using repeater callsign routing (/WB8THDC) 
> to 
>WB8THD, port C. I know you can see a "CQCQCQ" in his UR field in the tx start 
>line. That is a Dplus quirk, but the header line information (hdr f 40) 
>clearly shows he was using "/WB8THDC" in his UR field. Later on, Yoh switched 
>to 
>your call for callsign routing after contact was established:
> 
> "Remote gateway tx start (REF001 C) streamid 4b75 hdr BAD 2010/08/09 
>09:40:20.156
> rpt2 (WB8THD G) rpt1 (REF001 C) urcall (JA7NJN ) mycall (KG8IU /880 )
> hdr f 40 r2 WB8THD G r1 WB8THD C ur JA7NJN my KG8IU /880 fc 19f6 OK
> Remote gateway tx end (REF001 C) streamid 4b75 cnt 243 missed 0 2010/08/09 
>09:40:24.989
> Remote gateway tx start (REF001 C) streamid 575b hdr BAD 2010/08/09 
>09:40:27.368
> rpt2 (REF001 C) rpt1 (WB8THD G) urcall (KG8IU ) mycall (JA7NJN /YOH )
> missed 1 packet(s) from stream 575b last 10 curr 12
> missed 1 packet(s) from stream 575b last 13 curr 00"
> 
> You can see that both of you are now using your personal calls to callsign 
>route to each other. Unfortuantely, Yoh had some bad data, but still made it 
>through. I hope you find this of some interest.
> 
> 73's
> 
> James, N0XIA
> 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[mwbesemer]

 This has been a very interesting and informative thread.  Thanks to 
all who have contributed.


73,

Mike
WM4B

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote:

   I enjoy all the posts and learn quite a bit just by reading them, 
especially as a relatively new D-Star user myself.  Not only am I 
learning how it works but also how to use it more effectively and 
efficiently.


And let's not forget that mentoring new Hams (and even old Hams who are 
new to a mode like D-Star) is one of the characteristics that make our 
pasttime/hobby what it is.  Mentor those who don't know how and they 
will make the most of their equipment's capabilities and will enjoy 
their equipment and their hobby even more.


73 de Tim, AF1G

 "Steve Bosshard (NU5D)" < bossh...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:


=
You speak a great truth Joe.  All of these add ons that Robin brings to 
the

hobby are nice and I am sure they are here to stay.

In the context of a fellow driving down the road trying to answer a 
call,
however, DVAPS and Dongles, and DSTAR Mon while nice are not very 
useful.  I
suppose I could use a wireless connection and a PC, but I don't know 
that

such would aid in answering a call on the radio.

Also right this moment, if I wanted to call you on my dstar radio, all I
need to do is set the UR=W8SS and call.  I know that you know how to 
answer,

but lots of folks don't and that is the point.

I don't have a DVAP (I have a dstar system instead) and I do own a 
dongle
that I don't use very often.  For me it is more convenient to use the 
radio
and I have more flexibility.  With the radio I can link / unlink and 
make
calls to a particular station - I don't believe you can do these things 
with

a dongle, but I may be wrong.

In this little corner of the world there are 10 to 15 repeaters linked 
to
reflector 4B.  Users can un-link and relink at will and during 
inactivity,
the gateway computer automatically re-links.  4B is not very busy, so we 
get
the best of both call sign routing and at the same time reflector 
linking.
As far as causing QRM - call sign routing will not transmit on top of 
the
far end station, but it will allow transmit when the far end is not busy 
in

between transmissions.

So no, I am not anti Dplus - it is what it is and like you said Robin 
brings
many things to the market.  I just hate to see folks limit themselves by 
not

knowing more about the capabilities of their radios.

All meant for the betterment of the hobby and no flames or such intended 
and

as always, I may well be completely wrong.  Keep smiling,  steve nu5d

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Dr. Joeseph Mesh < j...@drsmesh.com 
 > wrote:



". Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for quite some time."
Gee Steve "A"OK... When was that?   I have been in D-Star since the 
beginning


 
 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

I enjoy all the posts and learn quite a bit just by reading them, especially as 
a relatively new D-Star user myself.  Not only am I learning how it works but 
also how to use it more effectively and efficiently.

And let's not forget that mentoring new Hams (and even old Hams who are new to 
a mode like D-Star) is one of the characteristics that make our pasttime/hobby 
what it is.  Mentor those who don't know how and they will make the most of 
their equipment's capabilities and will enjoy their equipment and their hobby 
even more.

73 de Tim, AF1G


 "Steve Bosshard (NU5D)"  wrote: 

=
You speak a great truth Joe.  All of these add ons that Robin brings to the
hobby are nice and I am sure they are here to stay.

In the context of a fellow driving down the road trying to answer a call,
however, DVAPS and Dongles, and DSTAR Mon while nice are not very useful.  I
suppose I could use a wireless connection and a PC, but I don't know that
such would aid in answering a call on the radio.

Also right this moment, if I wanted to call you on my dstar radio, all I
need to do is set the UR=W8SS and call.  I know that you know how to answer,
but lots of folks don't and that is the point.

I don't have a DVAP (I have a dstar system instead) and I do own a dongle
that I don't use very often.  For me it is more convenient to use the radio
and I have more flexibility.  With the radio I can link / unlink and make
calls to a particular station - I don't believe you can do these things with
a dongle, but I may be wrong.

In this little corner of the world there are 10 to 15 repeaters linked to
reflector 4B.  Users can un-link and relink at will and during inactivity,
the gateway computer automatically re-links.  4B is not very busy, so we get
the best of both call sign routing and at the same time reflector linking.
As far as causing QRM - call sign routing will not transmit on top of the
far end station, but it will allow transmit when the far end is not busy in
between transmissions.

So no, I am not anti Dplus - it is what it is and like you said Robin brings
many things to the market.  I just hate to see folks limit themselves by not
knowing more about the capabilities of their radios.

All meant for the betterment of the hobby and no flames or such intended and
as always, I may well be completely wrong.  Keep smiling,  steve nu5d





On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Dr. Joeseph Mesh  wrote:

> ". Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for quite some time."
>
> Gee Steve "A"OK... When was that?   I have been in D-Star since the
> beginning
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Carl W8KRF]

 That is by far the best explanation I have read lately.  
There are so many myths flying around.  It gets really 
confusing but you just cleaned it up a bit more for me.  I 
will make those changes and make  MYCALL  the same in all 
radios.  I will leave my DVAP and Hotspot as is.


Thanks, John.

73,

Carl

On 8/10/2010 2:39 PM, John D. Hays wrote:



By not understanding call sign routing there has been a 
trend to assign too many radio specific "initials" by 
D-STAR users.


A station has *one* callsign, in Carl's case that is 
W8KRF.   All radios; handheld, mobile, base, etc. should 
have the MYCALL set to "W8KRF"  (blank initial).  Having 
radio specific callsigns breaks simple callsign routing.  
The only exceptions to this should be, two radios 
operating on different repeaters/frequencies *at the same 
time* or if you have a couple of ID-1s and want to have a 
special callsign for "digital data" (128K) and one for 
digital voice.   All other initials "P", "M", "H", ... are 
both unnecessary, but also counter productive.  (A club 
with multiple radios operating in network fashion is a 
possible exception.)


If you run a Hotspot and/or DVAP they should probably have 
their own initials for the DPLUS network, as they don't 
provide callsign routing anyway.


/So why do I say that additional initials are not only 
unnecessary but probably bad?/


Let's say I want to contact Carl, and I don't know what 
Reflector or Repeater he is on, nor which radio he is 
using, with callsign routing I can simply set "URCALL" to 
"W8KRF" and if all of his radios use the same "MYCALL" my 
signal will be routed to the last repeater he was heard 
on, regardless of whether he was on his handheld, mobile, 
or base.  This makes it very simple to find someone (and 
quite frankly the feature of D-STAR that I think is 
unique, linking is just like analog linking).  If, on the 
other hand, Carl has "A" assigned to his handheld, "M" to 
his mobile, "J" to his second mobile, I have to set 
"URCALL" to each of these in succession to try to find 
him, assuming I even know what initials he is using.  
(Each callsign and initial combination is a unique address 
on the D-STAR network.) -- If you want to let the world 
know which radio you are using, put it in the short 
message or the 4 letter comment.


Callsign routing probably would have gained traction 
earlier if the updates to gateways weren't so slow, but 
ircddb has solved this problem if gateway owners will just 
install it.  (http://www.ircddb.net) I have observed 
updates for a station moving to a new repeater completing 
before PTT is released by the operator. With these rapid 
updates, you just have to key up on a new repeater and you 
can continue your callsign routed qso fairly seamlessly.


--
John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE 
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

You speak a great truth Joe.  All of these add ons that Robin brings to the
hobby are nice and I am sure they are here to stay.

In the context of a fellow driving down the road trying to answer a call,
however, DVAPS and Dongles, and DSTAR Mon while nice are not very useful.  I
suppose I could use a wireless connection and a PC, but I don't know that
such would aid in answering a call on the radio.

Also right this moment, if I wanted to call you on my dstar radio, all I
need to do is set the UR=W8SS and call.  I know that you know how to answer,
but lots of folks don't and that is the point.

I don't have a DVAP (I have a dstar system instead) and I do own a dongle
that I don't use very often.  For me it is more convenient to use the radio
and I have more flexibility.  With the radio I can link / unlink and make
calls to a particular station - I don't believe you can do these things with
a dongle, but I may be wrong.

In this little corner of the world there are 10 to 15 repeaters linked to
reflector 4B.  Users can un-link and relink at will and during inactivity,
the gateway computer automatically re-links.  4B is not very busy, so we get
the best of both call sign routing and at the same time reflector linking.
As far as causing QRM - call sign routing will not transmit on top of the
far end station, but it will allow transmit when the far end is not busy in
between transmissions.

So no, I am not anti Dplus - it is what it is and like you said Robin brings
many things to the market.  I just hate to see folks limit themselves by not
knowing more about the capabilities of their radios.

All meant for the betterment of the hobby and no flames or such intended and
as always, I may well be completely wrong.  Keep smiling,  steve nu5d





On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Dr. Joeseph Mesh  wrote:

> ". Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for quite some time."
>
> Gee Steve "A"OK... When was that?   I have been in D-Star since the
> beginning
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Horses for courses

[Andy McMullin]

Yup,

Horses that are good for flat racing may not be any good for jumping, and 
jumping horses may not be any good for a gentle hack through the countryside. 
Horses for courses implies something more than just "one size does not fit all" 
-- it adds that an element of expertise in one field is not always applicable 
to a different field; but it's that element of fitting perfectly into one use 
(but not into a different one) that is also important.

Who says that this modern digital stuff is complicated?

-- 
Regards
Andy, G8TQH
http://www.rickham.net/



On 10 Aug 2010, at 22:02, J. Moen wrote:

> 
> 
> I pretty much agree with all that.  Purpose for this note is Tony's final tag 
> "Horses for courses." 
>  
> From the context I guessed what it means, but I looked it up to verify.  
> usingenglish.com says "Horses for courses means that what is suitable for one 
> person or situation might be unsuitable for another."
>  
> Learning English in midwestern US as I did, I'd never heard that phrase.  We 
> do typically use "Different strokes for different folks,"  "One size does not 
> fit all" and "To each his own."
>  
> But I like the term Tony used, which apparently is derived from British horse 
> racing and was first used in the 1890s.  Thanks for giving me that learning 
> opportunity.
>  
>Jim - K6JM
>  
> 
> 
> 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[John Hays]

On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:


At 04:39 AM 8/11/2010, you wrote:

Callsign routing probably would have gained traction earlier if the  
updates to gateways weren't so slow, but ircddb has solved this  
problem if gateway owners will just install it.


ircddb is certainly a huge improvement that makes callsign routing  
much more useful.  However, I beg to differ as to how much traction  
it would gin in the long run.  I see that callsign routing often  
suits a different scenario to what most hams actually do.


Callsign routing is at its best in a one on one scenario, especially  
when you're looking for a specific station (and even more so if  
ircddb is in use).  However, many hams use wide area repeater  
networks for nets and ragchewing.  For these applications, callsign  
routing is usually inferior to DPlus reflectors.


Normal callsign routing doesn't really accommodate (say) a net  
involving 3 or more gateways (where do you direct UR to so that  
everyone can hear you?  Sure, there is the multicast feature, which  
is designed to do this, but this has two serious limitations in my  
book:


1.  It requires administrator intervention on all participating  
gateways to setup.  This is the big show stopper in my book, it  
lacks flexibility.  Doable here in Australia, where the WIA runs  
most of the gateways, but bugging administrators in this way is not  
what most end users want to do, just to run a net, especially when  
it's a simple matter to link to a reflector (and for courtesy, ask  
ONE person, rather than several if they can hold their net there).


2.  It puts demand on the upstream bandwidth of gateways.  In most  
installations, this is the biggest bandwidth limitation, and not all  
gateways will comfortable support the upstream data rate (obviously  
those running DD ports _should_ be OK, unless running heavy DD  
activity at the same time).  DPlus reflectors are generally  
installed in data centres with good bandwidth available.




Wide area linking has its place and I'm grateful that Robin added it  
to the toolbox. However, it also has its downside:


Links tend to be up for long periods of time, and local users are  
either unaware or don't consider the fact.  I don't know how many  
times I've listened to local conversations between two hams 800 miles  
away, that have no interest to anyone but the two hams involved.  I've  
even heard (for several hours) a US ham and a VK ham using reflector  
connected gateways as a personal intercom as they were working HF.   
(Not that having an "Intercom" running is an inappropriate activity,  
but it would be better to only involve the two repeaters and not the  
entire collection of gateways on the rather widely used reflector.)   
I've also noted in some of these situations that the operators don't  
leave gaps for others to get on their local repeaters or join the  
conversation ... sometimes delaying the ability to gracefully leave  
the reflector.


A net I participate in meets weekly and at least 3 repeaters  
automatically connect to the reflector for the network, but sometimes  
there are no net participants on those repeaters.  Aside from just  
listening for pleasure, it may prevent people who aren't familiar with  
(or worse yet are restricted) linking from disconnecting.


One on one is a natural for callsign routing, especially if one of the  
participants doesn't know the location of the other.  However, it  
would be possible to create network server software that used callsign  
routing rather than linking and would be much more flexible.  How it  
would work is for everyone participating in the network would put the  
network "pseudo-callsign" in the URCALL field.  The gateways would  
direct transmissions to the "pseudo-callsign" which is really a daemon  
running on a server on the D-STAR network, which would note the  
stations checking in and what gateways they were on.  Every  
transmission to the "pseudo-callsign" would be repeated to all  
gateways with network members present.  If a station moved from one  
repeater/gateway to another and keyed up, the network would add the  
new repeater/gateway to the list and repeat to it as well.  Very  
dynamic, no "linking/unlinking" of gateways, it just uses the  
underlying native callsign routing.








John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Francis Miele]

the reality of it is that call sign and source routing doesn't work with the
dvdongle, dvap nor hotspots Just via RF.

--
Fran, W1FJM




On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Carl W8KRF  wrote:

>
>
> Will this apply to my hotspot?  I have several calls registered.  My 92AD
> is W8KRF  A,  my car is W8KRF  M, my hotspot is W8KRF B, and my DVAP is
> W8KRF C.  90% of the time I am on the hotspot which is linked to WB8THD C.
> WB8THD C is usually linked to REF001C.   The only time I am on RF is when I
> am in the car and out of range of my hotspot.  It gets very confusing when
> Dongels, DVAPS and Hotspots are involved.  AND...is it G2 or DPlus...or
> whatever else the gurus are coming up with.
>
> What is "traditional" for those of us who are coming into this in the
> middle of all this change.
>
> 73,
>
> Carl
>
> On 8/10/2010 11:55 AM, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:
>
>
>
> The addition of Dplus to the native Dstar transport system can make for
> some un-intended consequences. Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for
> quite some time. Dplus is nice for tying repeaters together for wide
> area operations and a great add on to the native system. For me, it is
> easier to set UR=W8KRF and call you than to try and figure out if you
> are linked / unlinked / or know what repeater you are using. I'll try
> and give you a call - use One Touch, RX>CS to capture my call to reply.
> 73, steve
>
> Carl W8KRF wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe he said he was using a dongle and he may very well have been
> > linked to the Cle repeater which was linked to REF001C.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
> EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas
>
>   
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[John D. Hays]

On 8/10/2010 10:36 AM, Carl W8KRF wrote:


Will this apply to my hotspot?  I have several calls registered.  My 
92AD is W8KRF  A,  my car is W8KRF  M, my hotspot is W8KRF B, and my 
DVAP is W8KRF C.  90% of the time I am on the hotspot which is linked 
to WB8THD C.   WB8THD C is usually linked to REF001C.   The only time 
I am on RF is when I am in the car and out of range of my hotspot.  It 
gets very confusing when Dongels, DVAPS and Hotspots are involved.  
AND...is it G2 or DPlus...or whatever else the gurus are coming up with.


What is "traditional" for those of us who are coming into this in the 
middle of all this change.


73,

Carl



By not understanding call sign routing there has been a trend to assign 
too many radio specific "initials" by D-STAR users.


A station has *one* callsign, in Carl's case that is W8KRF.   All 
radios; handheld, mobile, base, etc. should have the MYCALL set to 
"W8KRF"  (blank initial).  Having radio specific callsigns breaks simple 
callsign routing.  The only exceptions to this should be, two radios 
operating on different repeaters/frequencies *at the same time* or if 
you have a couple of ID-1s and want to have a special callsign for 
"digital data" (128K) and one for digital voice.   All other initials 
"P", "M", "H", ... are both unnecessary, but also counter productive.  
(A club with multiple radios operating in network fashion is a possible 
exception.)


If you run a Hotspot and/or DVAP they should probably have their own 
initials for the DPLUS network, as they don't provide callsign routing 
anyway.


/So why do I say that additional initials are not only unnecessary but 
probably bad?/


Let's say I want to contact Carl, and I don't know what Reflector or 
Repeater he is on, nor which radio he is using, with callsign routing I 
can simply set "URCALL" to "W8KRF" and if all of his radios use the same 
"MYCALL" my signal will be routed to the last repeater he was heard on, 
regardless of whether he was on his handheld, mobile, or base.  This 
makes it very simple to find someone (and quite frankly the feature of 
D-STAR that I think is unique, linking is just like analog linking).  
If, on the other hand, Carl has "A" assigned to his handheld, "M" to his 
mobile, "J" to his second mobile, I have to set "URCALL" to each of 
these in succession to try to find him, assuming I even know what 
initials he is using.  (Each callsign and initial combination is a 
unique address on the D-STAR network.) -- If you want to let the world 
know which radio you are using, put it in the short message or the 4 
letter comment.


Callsign routing probably would have gained traction earlier if the 
updates to gateways weren't so slow, but ircddb has solved this problem 
if gateway owners will just install it.  (http://www.ircddb.net) I have 
observed updates for a station moving to a new repeater completing 
before PTT is released by the operator. With these rapid updates, you 
just have to key up on a new repeater and you can continue your callsign 
routed qso fairly seamlessly.


--
John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE 
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[J. Moen]

I completely agree with Joe W8SS about the value of DPlus to DStar users 
worldwide except in Japan, where I understand DPlus is normally not added to 
ICOM DStar repeaters.  

Clearly a newbie can get up to speed and enjoy DStar faster when they 
concentrate on DPlus linking and unlinking, versus Callsign routing.  Once 
they've enjoyed DPlus style DStar for awhile, they are free to read the ICOM 
manual and begin to use Callsign routing if they want.  We all see a few 
occasions where Callsign routing has some advantages.  But for everyday DStar, 
including mobile, taking advantage of DPLus is easier and safer.  

It seems obvious to me that DPlus generated a second and larger growth in DStar 
usage.  DVAPs leverage DPlus and require a DStar radio.  I find it ironic ICOM 
Japan, whose profits are improved by all those DStar radios being sold because 
of DPlus and DVAP, continues to ignore and tries to trivialize DPlus.  I'm sure 
there are cultural issues at play, and I respect that, but in the meantime, the 
rest of us can enjoy this really valuable tool.

I will say, however, that if someone is no longer a DStar newbie, they really 
should read about Callsign routing and use it a few times.  I commend Jeff 
KG8IU for quickly figuring out what was going on and making the contact using 
Callsign routing.  But I noticed some comments about his post revealed not 
everyone has taken the time to read up on this original feature of DStar.  We 
don't have to use it, but we should all kind of understand it.

   Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dr. Joeseph Mesh 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing 
[1 Attachment]

  [Attachment(s) from Dr. Joeseph Mesh included below]
   ". Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for quite some time."

  Gee Steve "A"OK... When was that? I have been in D-Star since the
  beginning and I certainly do not remember anything as valued by the majority
  as the functional capabilities added by D-PLUS. D-Plus gives us the power
  to do what we enjoy with our modules today and it is MUCH more than just the
  ability to link to reflectors. I am usually one that is in total agreement
  with nearly every NU5D post but I really urge you to reconsider your view
  point on promoting the North American use of this "one-touch" idea when
  D-PLUS is here to stay in North America. Call sign routing was a hall mark
  of the original design of D-Star but the "as used in North America" version
  of D-Star has clearly pushed it to a seat at the very far back of the bus
  just behind the rear bumper. Without D-PLUS there would be NO DV Dongles,
  DV tools, DVAPs, automated voice announcements, automated digital messages
  on modules, automated voice services such as running Amateur Radio News,
  Dashboards, echo testing, on air voice mail services, and of course linking
  of reflectors. D-Plus is definitely a major part of North American D-Star
  that is here to stay!

  Robin has made a remarkable contribution to the D-Star community by writing
  and maintaining D-PLUS. Although the loss of "one-touch" is a slight draw
  back one-touch was a "pain" for most D-Star operators as most find it
  difficult to learn, few understood its value, many forget that the CS code
  line has changed and forget to return it to CQCQCQ, using it today creates
  accidental QRMing of net operations even when employed by fine operators
  with great technical skills like NU5D, and with very limited use in North
  America it was little to give up in view of the major contributions provided
  by D-PLUS.

  Once again - By using D-PLUS and limiting the use of "one-touch" we are not
  following the world. The American D-Star community is indeed setting the
  pace and reshaping the game as all fine contributors do to better the lives
  we lead.

  Thanks...Joe / W8SS / Mesh Engineering / Trustee & Sysop on D-Star for K8LCD
  AKA: Dr. Joe Mesh, D.M.D., C.A.G.S. (Prosthodontics) 
  from beautiful downtown HELL, Michigan 
  Always available at: i...@drsmesh.com 
  
   
  See us on the web at:

  W8SS, W8SSS & K8LCD all on QRZ.com and at drsmesh.com

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Carl W8KRF]

 Will this apply to my hotspot?  I have several calls 
registered.  My 92AD is W8KRF  A,  my car is W8KRF  M, my 
hotspot is W8KRF B, and my DVAP is W8KRF C.  90% of the time 
I am on the hotspot which is linked to WB8THD C.   WB8THD C 
is usually linked to REF001C.   The only time I am on RF is 
when I am in the car and out of range of my hotspot.  It 
gets very confusing when Dongels, DVAPS and Hotspots are 
involved.  AND...is it G2 or DPlus...or whatever else the 
gurus are coming up with.


What is "traditional" for those of us who are coming into 
this in the middle of all this change.


73,

Carl

On 8/10/2010 11:55 AM, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:


The addition of Dplus to the native Dstar transport system 
can make for
some un-intended consequences. Folks did AOK without Dplus 
linking for
quite some time. Dplus is nice for tying repeaters 
together for wide
area operations and a great add on to the native system. 
For me, it is
easier to set UR=W8KRF and call you than to try and figure 
out if you
are linked / unlinked / or know what repeater you are 
using. I'll try
and give you a call - use One Touch, RX>CS to capture my 
call to reply.

73, steve

Carl W8KRF wrote:
>
>
> I believe he said he was using a dongle and he may very 
well have been

> linked to the Cle repeater which was linked to REF001C.
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing [1 Attachment]

[Dr. Joeseph Mesh]

". Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for quite some time."

Gee Steve "A"OK... When was that?   I have been in D-Star since the
beginning and I certainly do not remember anything as valued by the majority
as the functional capabilities added by D-PLUS.   D-Plus gives us the power
to do what we enjoy with our modules today and it is MUCH more than just the
ability to link to reflectors.   I am usually one that is in total agreement
with nearly every NU5D post but I really urge you to reconsider your view
point on promoting the North American use of this "one-touch" idea when
D-PLUS is here to stay in North America.   Call sign routing was a hall mark
of the original design of D-Star but the "as used in North America" version
of D-Star has clearly pushed it to a seat at the very far back of the bus
just behind the rear bumper.   Without D-PLUS there would be NO DV Dongles,
DV tools, DVAPs, automated voice announcements, automated digital messages
on modules, automated voice services such as running Amateur Radio News,
Dashboards, echo testing, on air voice mail services, and of course linking
of reflectors.   D-Plus is definitely a major part of North American D-Star
that is here to stay!

 

Robin has made a remarkable contribution to the D-Star community by writing
and maintaining D-PLUS.Although the loss of "one-touch" is a slight draw
back one-touch was a "pain" for most D-Star operators as most find it
difficult to learn, few understood its value, many forget that the CS code
line has changed and forget to return it to CQCQCQ, using it today creates
accidental QRMing of net operations even when employed by fine operators
with great technical skills like NU5D, and with very limited use in North
America it was little to give up in view of the major contributions provided
by D-PLUS.

 

Once again - By using D-PLUS and limiting the use of "one-touch" we are not
following the world.   The American D-Star community is indeed setting the
pace and reshaping the game as all fine contributors do to better the lives
we lead.

Thanks...Joe / W8SS / Mesh Engineering / Trustee & Sysop on D-Star for K8LCD
AKA: Dr. Joe Mesh, D.M.D., C.A.G.S. (Prosthodontics) 
from beautiful downtown HELL, Michigan 
Always available at:   i...@drsmesh.com 

 
See us on the web at:

W8SS, W8SSS & K8LCD all on QRZ.com and at drsmesh.com

 

 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)]

The addition of Dplus to the native Dstar transport system can make for 
some un-intended consequences.  Folks did AOK without Dplus linking for 
quite some time.  Dplus is nice for tying repeaters together for wide 
area operations and a great add on to the native system.  For me, it is 
easier to set UR=W8KRF and call you than to try and figure out if you 
are linked / unlinked / or know what repeater you are using.  I'll try 
and give you a call - use One Touch, RX>CS to capture my call to reply.  
73, steve

 Carl W8KRF wrote:
>
>
> I believe he said he was using a dongle and he may very well have been 
> linked to the Cle repeater which was linked to REF001C. 
>>
>>
>
>
> 

-- 
Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Carl W8KRF]

 I believe he said he was using a dongle and he may very 
well have been linked to the Cle repeater which was linked 
to REF001C.  Another JA station was on this morning and 
talked with a station in OKC.  They had no problems and I am 
certain there was no callsign routing or anything like that.


BUT...all that said, I am new to D-STAR and all these 
permutations are very confusing.   It's the ole Beta vs VHS 
thing all over again.


73,

Carl

On 8/10/2010 10:50 AM, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:


Just out of curiosity Carl, how can you tell that the JA 
station was
using a dongle ? I suspect the JA station was call sign 
routing to
Cleveland (CQ Cleveland) and because Cleveland was linked 
to a
reflector, all stations likewise linked heard the JA 
station. Why else

would the US station need RX>CS to be heard in JA ? steve

Carl W8KRF wrote:
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> As has been said, he was coming through the reflector 
because other
> stations were hearing him. I had the DVR running on my 
hotspot and I
> was able to listen to your entire exchange with him. I 
believe any
> problems were on his end since he was using a Dongle. I 
keep these
> recording for 30 days, so if you are interested, I can 
play them back

> for you on WB8THD C local sometime.
>
> 73,
>
> Carl W8KRF
>
>

--
Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)]

Just out of curiosity Carl, how can you tell that the JA station was 
using a dongle ?  I suspect the JA station was call sign routing to 
Cleveland (CQ Cleveland) and because Cleveland was linked to a 
reflector, all stations likewise linked heard the JA station.  Why else 
would the US station need RX>CS to be heard in JA ?  steve

Carl W8KRF wrote:
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> As has been said, he was coming through the reflector because other 
> stations were hearing him.  I had the DVR running on my hotspot and I 
> was able to listen to your entire exchange with him.  I believe any 
> problems were on his end since he was using a Dongle.  I keep these 
> recording for 30 days, so if you are interested, I can play them back 
> for you on WB8THD C local sometime.
>
> 73,
>
> Carl W8KRF
>
>

-- 
Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Carl W8KRF]

 Jeff,

As has been said, he was coming through the reflector 
because other stations were hearing him.  I had the DVR 
running on my hotspot and I was able to listen to your 
entire exchange with him.  I believe any problems were on 
his end since he was using a Dongle.  I keep these recording 
for 30 days, so if you are interested, I can play them back 
for you on WB8THD C local sometime.


73,

Carl W8KRF

On 8/10/2010 8:58 AM, Adrian wrote:


On 08/10/2010 10:25 PM, Jeff Pyle wrote:


Hello,


Driving around town yesterday day I happened to hear a 
JA7 station calling "CQ Cleveland, CQ Cleveland..."  I 
thought this was in response to my "KG8IU listening, 
Cleveland Ohio" call about a minute before.  Perhaps he 
heard the "Cleveland" but not the call sign, something 
like that.  Anyway, the local WB8THD C node is normally 
linked to REF001C, so while certainly interesting, DX 
wasn't unheard of.  Over the next 10 minutes or so I 
heard him a few more times.  It seemed like he wasn't 
hearing my replies.


So I had a thought.  Perhaps he wasn't on the reflector, 
but he was routing to /WB8THDC.  "CQ Cleveland" would 
make a lot more sense in that case.  I've had an 880 for 
near two months now but until yesterday I hadn't had need 
of the RX>CS key.  I tried it, verified his callsign was 
in the UR field, and called him back.  This time he heard 
me, and we had a nice QSO.
Sounds like he was on a transceiver in that case, or just 
a coincidence if he was on a dongle and your earlier 
attempts were not heard due to stream collisions, a common 
event on dstar hence the ¨dstar black hole¨ ops speak of.


I didn't think to check the RPT1 and RPT2 fields.  I 
imagine RPT1 was still my normal "WB8THD C", but what of 
RPT2?  In all the domestic examples I've seen, this is 
set to the ".. G" callsign.  Is that appropriate for 
basic callsign routing as well?  Or, was there likely 
something more specific to him?  I do know he was on a 
dongle.
If he was on a DV Dongle, he cant have been callsign 
routing, only possible on a dstar transceiver, a DV Dongle 
only utilises cqcqcq in a urcall inication.


Yes RPT2 set to WB8THD G was required for callsign routing 
or dplus linked transmissions to occur
via the gateway gateway internet connection. If that is 
not enabled then only local repeater transmission occurs.


Now, the main question.  It is my understanding that in a 
dplus-style reflector link anything that hits the local 
port is also linked to the reflector.  If that's the 
case, did the JA7 station's "CQ Cleveland" calls make it 
into the reflector?
If he was on a Dv dongle yes as that´s the way he is 
connected via a dplus udp port.
Not all incoming repeater callsign routed calls transfer 
to dplus links, they used too in the past, but I
think that was stopped in newer versions of dplus on the 
gateway machines.

Depends on the software configuration used.
 Did my transmissions after I hit the RX>CS key?  If so, 
perhaps someone heard it.  I think it was during the 9 
o'clock hour EDT.


He did make a comment that many North American stations 
"don't know how to contact Japanese station".  I can 
conclude only that we simply don't use callsign routing 
much, so we don't know how to answer Japanese stations 
that do.  In his short message he did have something to 
the effect of "CAPTURE CALLSIGN..", something he 
mentioned in his audio as well.  It took me a bit to come 
up with what that might translate to, but I think RX>CS 
was the key.
Sure sounds like he was using a transceiver here, did you 
see JA7xxx/dngl on your screen?That should confirm he was 
on a dv dongle, otherwise no-one would use that type on 
message on a DV Dongle
that had a reasonable idea how it worked, you cannot one 
touch a DV Dongle, its pure dplus link udp connection or 
direct connection to your repeater gateway dplus udp port.


vk4tux 
 
 
 



.

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Adrian]

 On 08/10/2010 10:25 PM, Jeff Pyle wrote:


Hello,


Driving around town yesterday day I happened to hear a JA7 station 
calling "CQ Cleveland, CQ Cleveland..."  I thought this was in 
response to my "KG8IU listening, Cleveland Ohio" call about a minute 
before.  Perhaps he heard the "Cleveland" but not the call sign, 
something like that.  Anyway, the local WB8THD C node is normally 
linked to REF001C, so while certainly interesting, DX wasn't unheard 
of.  Over the next 10 minutes or so I heard him a few more times.  It 
seemed like he wasn't hearing my replies.


So I had a thought.  Perhaps he wasn't on the reflector, but he was 
routing to /WB8THDC.  "CQ Cleveland" would make a lot more sense in 
that case.  I've had an 880 for near two months now but until 
yesterday I hadn't had need of the RX>CS key.  I tried it, verified 
his callsign was in the UR field, and called him back.  This time he 
heard me, and we had a nice QSO.
Sounds like he was on a transceiver in that case, or just a coincidence 
if he was on a dongle and your earlier attempts were not heard due to 
stream collisions, a common event on dstar hence the ¨dstar black hole¨ 
ops speak of.


I didn't think to check the RPT1 and RPT2 fields.  I imagine RPT1 was 
still my normal "WB8THD C", but what of RPT2?  In all the domestic 
examples I've seen, this is set to the ".. G" callsign.  Is that 
appropriate for basic callsign routing as well?  Or, was there likely 
something more specific to him?  I do know he was on a dongle.
If he was on a DV Dongle, he cant have been callsign routing, only 
possible on a dstar transceiver, a DV Dongle only utilises cqcqcq in a 
urcall inication.


Yes RPT2 set to WB8THD G was required for callsign routing or dplus 
linked transmissions to occur
via the gateway gateway internet connection. If that is not enabled then 
only local repeater transmission occurs.


Now, the main question.  It is my understanding that in a dplus-style 
reflector link anything that hits the local port is also linked to the 
reflector.  If that's the case, did the JA7 station's "CQ Cleveland" 
calls make it into the reflector?
If he was on a Dv dongle yes as that´s the way he is connected via a 
dplus udp port.
Not all incoming repeater callsign routed calls transfer to dplus links, 
they used too in the past, but I

think that was stopped in newer versions of dplus on the gateway machines.
Depends on the software configuration used.
 Did my transmissions after I hit the RX>CS key?  If so, perhaps 
someone heard it.  I think it was during the 9 o'clock hour EDT.


He did make a comment that many North American stations "don't know 
how to contact Japanese station".  I can conclude only that we simply 
don't use callsign routing much, so we don't know how to answer 
Japanese stations that do.  In his short message he did have something 
to the effect of "CAPTURE CALLSIGN..", something he mentioned in his 
audio as well.  It took me a bit to come up with what that might 
translate to, but I think RX>CS was the key.
Sure sounds like he was using a transceiver here, did you see 
JA7xxx/dngl on your screen?That should confirm he was on a dv dongle, 
otherwise no-one would use that type on message on a DV Dongle
that had a reasonable idea how it worked, you cannot one touch a DV 
Dongle, its pure dplus link udp connection or direct connection to your 
repeater gateway dplus udp port.


vk4tux 
 
 
 
 



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] linked reflector + traditional callsign routing

[Francis Miele]

Yes the JA7 station should have been heard by all on the reflector and yes
your response would have been heard if you have "WB8THD G" in RPT2. As a
general rule you should always have the repeater call sign and the "G" in
the 8th position so that your transmissions go out the gateway. This is true
wether there is a gateway or not, as it does no harm if there isn't a
gateway but has you prepared when ther

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jeff Pyle  wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> Driving around town yesterday day I happened to hear a JA7 station calling
> "CQ Cleveland, CQ Cleveland..."  I thought this was in response to my "KG8IU
> listening, Cleveland Ohio" call about a minute before.  Perhaps he heard the
> "Cleveland" but not the call sign, something like that.  Anyway, the local
> WB8THD C node is normally linked to REF001C, so while certainly interesting,
> DX wasn't unheard of.  Over the next 10 minutes or so I heard him a few more
> times.  It seemed like he wasn't hearing my replies.
>
> So I had a thought.  Perhaps he wasn't on the reflector, but he was routing
> to /WB8THDC.  "CQ Cleveland" would make a lot more sense in that case.  I've
> had an 880 for near two months now but until yesterday I hadn't had need of
> the RX>CS key.  I tried it, verified his callsign was in the UR field, and
> called him back.  This time he heard me, and we had a nice QSO.
>
> I didn't think to check the RPT1 and RPT2 fields.  I imagine RPT1 was still
> my normal "WB8THD C", but what of RPT2?  In all the domestic examples I've
> seen, this is set to the ".. G" callsign.  Is that appropriate for basic
> callsign routing as well?  Or, was there likely something more specific to
> him?  I do know he was on a dongle.
>
> Now, the main question.  It is my understanding that in a dplus-style
> reflector link anything that hits the local port is also linked to the
> reflector.  If that's the case, did the JA7 station's "CQ Cleveland" calls
> make it into the reflector?  Did my transmissions after I hit the RX>CS key?
>  If so, perhaps someone heard it.  I think it was during the 9 o'clock hour
> EDT.
>
> He did make a comment that many North American stations "don't know how to
> contact Japanese station".  I can conclude only that we simply don't use
> callsign routing much, so we don't know how to answer Japanese stations that
> do.  In his short message he did have something to the effect of "CAPTURE
> CALLSIGN..", something he mentioned in his audio as well.  It took me a bit
> to come up with what that might translate to, but I think RX>CS was the key.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff KG8IU
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD

[Francis Miele]

yes, don't connect the radio, create the file, save the file, connect the
radio, wait for it to read it's memories (red arrows will turn black), read
the file, load the file intot he radio.

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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, paul_ka3qxb wrote:

>
>
> Recently got a IC91AD, data cable and software. I am able to send a file
> from the HT to my laptop. Is there a way to do all the programing on my
> laptop and then upload that file back to the HT. I can do this with my
> mobile DStar rig and it makes it much easier.
> Paul
> KA3QXB
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD

[Ken Wilhelmi]

Try using CHIRP from KK7DS. He is the author of D-RATS also.
http://chirp.danplanet.com/

Load the data in once and upload to many different radios. Save a few hours of 
data entry and makes it easy to have all your radios the same.
 ** 
Ken Wilhelmi N7QQU






From: paul_ka3qxb 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 9:12:23 AM
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD

  
Recently got a IC91AD, data cable and software. I am able to send a file from 
the HT to my laptop. Is there a way to do all the programing on my laptop and 
then upload that file back to the HT. I can do this with my mobile DStar rig 
and 
it makes it much easier.
Paul
KA3QXB





  

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD

[John Hays]

http://k7ve.org/blog/2007/06/csv-load-for-icom-ic-91ad/
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206-801-0820
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On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:12, "paul_ka3qxb"  wrote:

> Recently got a IC91AD, data cable and software. I am able to send a file from 
> the HT to my laptop. Is there a way to do all the programing on my laptop and 
> then upload that file back to the HT. I can do this with my mobile DStar rig 
> and it makes it much easier.
> Paul
> KA3QXB
> 
> 

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

[Donald James]

Noted! Thanks

 

 

-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Lindtner
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:42 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

 

  

It should be noted that communication between  "multi-trust" and K5TIT trust
(everything else) repeaters are unfortunately not possible.

In other words, if you put a "multi-trust" repeater into service, your users
will not be able to talk to the existing D-Star network and REF reflectors
that you know and love.

I learned this the hard way.

 

Gary

KB2BSL

WG2MSK repeater

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Naylor
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:42 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

 

  

As well as the options already pointed out, there are also a lot of open
source systems out there.

There is an open source experimentally minded D-Star network out there
called the multi-trust which has its own reflectors based on a system called
DExtra. It's similar to DPlus but with a completely open protocol. It
includes D-Star repeaters using sound cards connected to radios.

Experimentation is encouraged on that network, which is in the true spirit
of amateur radio.

Jonathan G4KLX

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

[Donald James]

 

Good point and thanks for mentioning it, I’ll include this is my
presentation.

 

Thanks,

 

N2VU

 

 

-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bert Bruner - KE4FOV
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:51 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

 

  

There's been a lot of discussion in this thread about D-Star itself, but,
unless I missed something, there's only been a passing mention of
DStarUsers.org.  To me, that's one of it's strong points. What other ham
radio system allows you find a list of what repeaters are active right now
and then join that conversation. That mechanism by itself makes D-Star
unique and uniquely useful. IRLP and Echolink can not do that. With
DStarUsers.org and a dongle, you're never more than about 60 seconds from a
QSO. (On RF, it may take another minute to set up the link.)

 

Bert Bruner

KE4FOV

 


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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of n2vu911
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:06 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

  

Greetings to the group,

My name is Donald ~ N2VU, and I'm in Warren County New York ... the first to
have D-Star in the area. I was on the fence about D-Star for quite a while
until 2 weeks ago and boy do I wish I got into it sooner. I love it!

I realize that there's another thread in this group about negativity towards
this new technology but what I'm asking for here is for your comments and
experiences with D-Star that I can incorporate into the presentations I'd
like to make with regards to the ways D-Star is NOT redundant to Echolink or
IRLP or anything else for that matter. While sharing my excitement about
D-Star with others in the area, aside from the most common remark being that
its way over priced, they're that its another version of what's already out
there.

Since I haven't used either IRLP or Echolink, I cant speak from experience
with comparisons, so if those of you who have can tell me how its not, I'd
like to incorporate these facts into my "argument" - as  it seems! In fact,
I'd 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

[Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)]

A wonderful tool Bert - I do wish the low speed data port could carry an 
abbreviated form accessible to mobile stations without the benefit of an 
internet connection. 

Bert Bruner - KE4FOV wrote:
>
>
> There's been a lot of discussion in this thread about D-Star itself, 
> but, unless I missed something, there's only been a passing mention of 
> DStarUsers.org. 

-- 
Ham Radio Spoken Here !!!
EM11ma - South Mountain, Texas

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

[Bert Bruner - KE4FOV]

There's been a lot of discussion in this thread about D-Star itself,
but, unless I missed something, there's only been a passing mention of
DStarUsers.org.  To me, that's one of it's strong points. What other ham
radio system allows you find a list of what repeaters are active right
now and then join that conversation. That mechanism by itself makes
D-Star unique and uniquely useful. IRLP and Echolink can not do that.
With DStarUsers.org and a dongle, you're never more than about 60
seconds from a QSO. (On RF, it may take another minute to set up the
link.)
 
Bert Bruner
KE4FOV





From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n2vu911
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:06 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...


  

Greetings to the group,

My name is Donald ~ N2VU, and I'm in Warren County New York ...
the first to have D-Star in the area. I was on the fence about D-Star
for quite a while until 2 weeks ago and boy do I wish I got into it
sooner. I love it!



I realize that there's another thread in this group about
negativity towards this new technology but what I'm asking for here is
for your comments and experiences with D-Star that I can incorporate
into the presentations I'd like to make with regards to the ways D-Star
is NOT redundant to Echolink or IRLP or anything else for that matter.
While sharing my excitement about D-Star with others in the area, aside
from the most common remark being that its way over priced, they're that
its another version of what's already out there.



Since I haven't used either IRLP or Echolink, I cant speak from
experience with comparisons, so if those of you who have can tell me how
its not, I'd like to incorporate these facts into my "argument" - as  it
seems! In fact, I'd 

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

[Tim Hardy AF1G]

Tony,

 

That is one of the best and most easily understood explanations I have
heard.  Great job!

 

Tim, AF1G

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Langdon
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:22 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...

 

  

At 08:11 AM 7/30/2010, you wrote:

>Thank you, I appreciate the reply, all that I receive will be 
>incorporated into my presentation. Like I've said, I need to arm 
>myself for the naysayers who are quick to shoot and I need to have 
>the amo to squelch their "assumptions"!

One assumption that gets bandied around is that D-STAR is an Icom 
only system. While it's true that Icom are the only manufacturer 
currently producing radios ready to go, it is far from an Icom only 
system. Also, people will complain it is proprietary. While the 
D-STAR specification does use a proprietary vocoder (AMBE), the 
actual specification (for on air) is open.

Firstly, the on air protocol is open (though you need to be able to 
read Japanese for the full specification ;) ).

Secondly, there is actually quite a lot of non Icom equipment 
available, including:

DV Dongle - This is the AMBE vocoder in a USB package. The companion 
DVTool software by AA4RC allows the dongle to talk to DPlus over the 
Internet (DPlus itself is another non Icom component). However, the 
dongle can also be teamed with the D-Star client program running on a 
PC and connected to a 9600 bps capable radio to turn the radio into a 
fully fledged D-STAR (DV mode) radio.

I've mentioned D-STAR client, see above.

GMSK node adapter. This is a hardware GMSK modem, which can be used 
for various purposes. There are versions of the GMSK Node Adapter 
manufactured or in kit form by a few suppliers, and two different 
firmware versions are available.

DVAR Hotspot - This uses the GMSK node adapter to create a local RF 
access point to the DPlus network for local D-STAR users to use. The 
hotspot works on both simplex radios and duplex repeaters.

G4ULF's gateway software - this uses a node adapter and provides a 
full blown Icom compatible gateway using a Linux box and a suitable 
set of radios and other repeater hardware. I believe it can also 
create a simplex gateway.

D-RATS - Multipurpose data terminal software for D-STAR. Uses the 
low speed data channel for text, file transfer, email and many other
functions.

And there's others I've missed. D-STAR is quite open to ham 
experimentation and tinkering. :)

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

[Mike Besemer (WM4B)]

Thanks Jim!

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of J. Moen
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:18 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

 

  

Fred Van Kempen, PA4YBR, also maintains the latest copy of DVAR Hot Spot
software by Mark McGregor, KB9KHM.  That site also sells firmware that will
run on Fred's boards, Mark Phillips G7LTT/NI2O's boards, as well as
Satoshi's boards, for 10 Euros.  You can also download the tools that help
setup and test any board running Fred's firmware.

 

Check out http://www.dutch- <http://www.dutch-star.eu/software/>
star.eu/software/

 

  Jim - K6JM

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) <mailto:mwbese...@cox.net>  

To: dstar_digital@ <mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:58 PM

Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group  

Thanks Tony. those are the files I'm looking for.

73,

Mike

WM4B

From: dstar_digital@ <mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Me
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:39 PM
To: dstar_digital@ <mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

Im in that group. It takes a day or so to get aproved. Btw the files on that
group are for using a gmsk board for a hotspot or repeater
Tony
NN1D


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless



-Original message-

From: "Mike Besemer \\(WM4B\\)" 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 20:23:57 GMT+00:00
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

  

Anybody know anything about the group in the title line? I've been waiting
since Tuesday or Wednesday to get approved and I'm dying to have a peek in
the 'Files' section.

I know most of us have a day-job... just anxious to get in and look around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

[J. Moen]

Fred Van Kempen, PA4YBR, also maintains the latest copy of DVAR Hot Spot 
software by Mark McGregor, KB9KHM.  That site also sells firmware that will run 
on Fred's boards, Mark Phillips G7LTT/NI2O's boards, as well as Satoshi's 
boards, for 10 Euros.  You can also download the tools that help setup and test 
any board running Fred's firmware.

Check out http://www.dutch-star.eu/software/

  Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:58 PM
  Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group  

  Thanks Tony. those are the files I'm looking for.

  73,

  Mike

  WM4B

  From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Me
  Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:39 PM
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

  Im in that group. It takes a day or so to get aproved. Btw the files on that 
group are for using a gmsk board for a hotspot or repeater
  Tony
  NN1D


  Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless



  -Original message-

  From: "Mike Besemer \\(WM4B\\)" 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 20:23:57 GMT+00:00
  Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group



  Anybody know anything about the group in the title line? I've been waiting
  since Tuesday or Wednesday to get approved and I'm dying to have a peek in
  the 'Files' section.

  I know most of us have a day-job... just anxious to get in and look around.

  73,

  Mike
  WM4B

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

[Mike Besemer (WM4B)]

Thanks Tony. those are the files I'm looking for.

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Me
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:39 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

 

  

Im in that group. It takes a day or so to get aproved. Btw the files on that
group are for using a gmsk board for a hotspot or repeater
Tony
NN1D


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless



-Original message-

From: "Mike Besemer \\(WM4B\\)" 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 20:23:57 GMT+00:00
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

  

Anybody know anything about the group in the title line? I've been waiting
since Tuesday or Wednesday to get approved and I'm dying to have a peek in
the 'Files' section.

I know most of us have a day-job... just anxious to get in and look around.

73,

Mike
WM4B



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

[Me]

Im in that group. It takes a day or so to get aproved. Btw the files on that  
group are for using a gmsk board for a hotspot or repeater

Tony
NN1D


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-Original message-
From: "Mike Besemer \\(WM4B\\)" 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 20:23:57 GMT+00:00
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] 'gmsk_dv_node' group

Anybody know anything about the group in the title line?  I've been waiting
since Tuesday or Wednesday to get approved and I'm dying to have a peek in
the 'Files' section.

I know most of us have a day-job... just anxious to get in and look around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Francis Miele]

Excellant! Thank you. I have it working on XP. Now to see if I can get it to
work on win7

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:02 PM, kg4vub  wrote:

>
>
> Where you downloaded the install file for aspell, go further down on the
> page, you'll see the list of languages in the table below. Download the
> language installer you want and run it, then restart D-Rats, it should pick
> up on it then.
>
> Aspell installation is a two step process, install the program, then
> install the language dictionary.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Francis Miele wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> How do you do that?
>>
>>  --
>>
>> Fran , W1fjm
>>
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[kg4vub]

Where you downloaded the install file for aspell, go further down on the
page, you'll see the list of languages in the table below. Download the
language installer you want and run it, then restart D-Rats, it should pick
up on it then.

Aspell installation is a two step process, install the program, then install
the language dictionary.

Tom

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Francis Miele wrote:

>
>
> How do you do that?
>
>  --
>
> Fran , W1fjm
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Francis Miele]

How do you do that?

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:40 AM, kg4vub  wrote:

>
>
> Yes Carl, thanks for asking.  Triple checked on my end, also logged out,
> etc. to rerun the environment vars.
>
> Anyway, mystery solved!!! Just need to add one more sentence to the HOW
> TO...
>
> Installation: Install Aspell first, *then run the wordlist setup*
>
> Al, Fran, need to download and install the dictionary. 
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> When you paste the string in the environmental variables did you put a
>> semi-colon in first?  There should be the original line then a ; then the
>> pasted line from Dan's webpage for the spell checker program.  No spaces
>> between the original lines, the semi-colon, and the pasted info.
>> Do you have that?
>> Carl, KB1EJH
>>
>>
>>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Francis Miele]

Yes, I did that. Still doesn't work

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:

>
>
> When you paste the string in the environmental variables did you put a
> semi-colon in first?  There should be the original line then a ; then the
> pasted line from Dan's webpage for the spell checker program.  No spaces
> between the original lines, the semi-colon, and the pasted info.
> Do you have that?
> Carl, KB1EJH
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub * wrote:
>
>
> From: kg4vub 
> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 10:45 AM
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the confirmation.
>
> 0.3.2 here.
>
> Tom
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Carl Davis 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kb1...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>   What version of D-Rats are you using?  The spell checker does work and
> is able to be turned on and off via the check box.
> Carl,kb1ejh
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kg4...@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: kg4vub 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kg4...@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
> To: 
> dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 8:44 AM
>
>
>
>
> I see your issue.
> I went back and reloaded on another XP installation (I'm using mac) and
> after installing aspell, triple checking the environment variable path,
> logging out/back in, rebooting, etc. the checkbox is still not available.
>
> Anyone else see this problem, or have success?
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Francis Miele 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=f...@miele-family.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes. I have followed all the directions.
>
> Fran, W1FJM
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Francis Miele]

I am using 0.3.2. The latest release. I can't get it to work

Fran Signature

--

Fran,W1FJM

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:

>
>
> What version of D-Rats are you using?  The spell checker does work and is
> able to be turned on and off via the check box.
> Carl,kb1ejh
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub * wrote:
>
>
> From: kg4vub 
> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 8:44 AM
>
>
>
>
> I see your issue.
> I went back and reloaded on another XP installation (I'm using mac) and
> after installing aspell, triple checking the environment variable path,
> logging out/back in, rebooting, etc. the checkbox is still not available.
>
> Anyone else see this problem, or have success?
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Francis Miele 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=f...@miele-family.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes. I have followed all the directions.
>
> Fran, W1FJM
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM, kg4vub 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kg4...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.d-rats.com/documentation/4-howtos/34-installing-spelling-support/
>
> Have you seen the above from the main page of D-Rats?
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Francis 
> http://us.mc553.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fran%40miele-family.com>>
> wrote:
> > does any know the secret to getting the spell checking option to become
> available in the drats software?
>
>
>
>
>  
>

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...and more !

[Declan Mc Glone]

I totally agree with you, I like Direct Routing, and I like things like
Callsign Squelch, it means I don't have to listen to some of the "less
interesting" QSO's that go on and tie up 20 repeaters at a time all linked
to one Reflector. And if someone wants me, they open my squelch and I'll
hear them. Don't get me wrong, I like the Reflector network, but it has
indeed reduced one of the big attractions to DStar (in my opinion) to
something about 5% of people have any competence with. Ok, maybe 5% is
dramatic, but in any event, a small number of people can competently use it.

 

On the subject of direct routing, and not having taken part in the Icom
DStar Contest which requires Direct Routing as part of the rules, has it
been a success or not this year? That would be a good/real measure of
activity of Direct Routing, or at least the best measure we have.

 

Dex.

M0TMX

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
Sent: 30 July 2010 17:39
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...and more !

 

  

Why tie up 15 to 20 repeaters with a chat between two stations - especially
when some folks LIVE on a reflector and tie it up 12 hours a day ?

Also reflectors while great for wide area nets have become much like back
yard repeaters, further fragmenting users.  Seems the bulk of the traffic is
on one CB catch all reflector slot and then many many small fragments spread
out over the remaining 90 - 100 reflector slots - just the opposite result
of concentrating contacts for nets comes about.

" the knowledge and ability to do it seems to be sliding away. " implies
that there was such to begin with.  As you say, so few bother to learn how
to use call sign routing.

The biggest single factor to me is the very unfriendly user interface to the
radio.  Why not have a mix and match basket for frequencies, UR's etc and
make it easier to program ?  or better yet ICOM make your interface known so
others can replace your control head with a smart palm top that is easy to
use ?

Again my 5 cents (recent tax increases force me to go up from 2 cents), and
I may as always be wrong, steve nu5d

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Declan Mc Glone 
wrote:

 

I think the issue there is simply that the majority of people just don't do
Callsign Routing, and depend on DPlus

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

[John Hays]

Callsign routing is analogous to direct dialing.On a phone you  
dial 999-555-1234 and you don't know if the party at the other end is  
on a call or not (or if the "party line" is busy).  If they don't have  
call waiting you get a busy tone, if they have call waiting you create  
an interruption to their current conversation to let them know someone  
is calling.


People are too anal about not having their radio contacts  
"interrupted" --- life is full of "interruptions" --- you just have to  
deal with it.  There are rude and intentional interruptions, which  
none of us appreciate, then there are circumstantial and random  
interruptions that might be necessary and good.


Now that there are options on gateway technology, including open  
source, better signaling could be built into the gateway to minimize  
interruptions and have the calling station know what was happening.  
(e.g. key mike, listen for a "busy" signal.)


DPLUS (and DEXTRA) are over utilized because many local repeater  
communities are small, so we hook them up to a conference bridge to  
generate activity.  They really should be used for established nets  
and/or regional coverage.


Every D-STAR user should absolutely know and regularly use callsign  
routing. You should see the flurry of traffic on the gateway manager's  
list (and sometimes here) when a reflector server goes down.  Nobody  
knows how to use their radios without the dplus crutch. Let's pretend  
that a regular net was held on REF055C (another silliness the "A",  
"B", "C", just give the reflector a number or name, they don't have  
modules) and that server went down.  Individual stations could  
callsign route to a network manager and find out where the net was  
meeting during the outage.


Or your buddy normally checks into a certain reflector, but he has  
moved off to another reflector, or none at all -- if he has his radio  
on and has keyed up on a gateway -- just callsign route to him. (Say  
you had urgent traffic for him and ham radio was his only contact  
method).


ircddb is "Trust Server" agnostic and updates gateways in seconds  
(usually before the PTT is released).  If we could eliminate user  
radio registration, then the "Trust Server" model could go away except  
for network attached devices (DV Dongles, DVAP, HotSpot, Gateways) and  
users could just communicate.



On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Ted Wrobel wrote:



At the risk of drawing this into a flame war, it is my opinion that  
call sign routing is an idea whose time will never come in a public  
network. It suffers a fatal flaw in that is is entirely ignorant of  
remote repeater activity and thus prohibits any attemp at etiquette.


Since there is no way to know even what repeater you are being  
directed to, and that there is no way to monitor that repeater even  
if you did, there is no way to be polite with call sign routing.


The only hope is that the repeater will ignore a message if it is  
busy at some instant - and I'm not convinced that it does.


Call sign routing appears to me much akin to the old party-line  
telephone system with the exception that no one can tell when the  
line is busy.


Frankly, Dplus is a far superior solution to remote contacts (In my  
opinon, of course).


73
Ted
W1GRI




John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Not exactly so Ted.  If the far end is busy you will not break into their
conversation.  You will get RPT ? in your display letting you know that you
did not reach your intended destination (this RPT? happens with reflector
routing because CQCQCQ is not a destination although the use of repeater 2
as a gateway does send your stream via dplus to the reflector).

Your * after you transmit means you did reach your destination.  Also using
dplus to link to just one distant repeater lets you be a "fly on the wall"
and hear what is going on provided the distant repeater is not already
linked somewhere.

It is not easy to link / unlink to different reflectors while driving, even
with lots of memories and such.  The call fields on my 2820 are very
difficult to read while driving.

I do agree with etiquette issues.  The same goes for 2 folks tying up 30
repeaters for hours on end.  Not a perfect world.

No flames taken or intended.  73 steve

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ted Wrobel wrote:

>
>
> At the risk of drawing this into a flame war, it is my opinion that call
> sign routing is an idea whose time will never come in a public network. It
> suffers a fatal flaw in that is is entirely ignorant of remote repeater
> activity and thus prohibits any attemp at etiquette.
>
> Since there is no way to know even what repeater you are being directed to,
> and that there is no way to monitor that repeater even if you did, there is
> no way to be polite with call sign routing.
>
> The only hope is that the repeater will ignore a message if it is busy at
> some instant - and I'm not convinced that it does.
>
> Call sign routing appears to me much akin to the old party-line telephone
> system with the exception that no one can tell when the line is busy.
>
> Frankly, Dplus is a far superior solution to remote contacts (In my opinon,
> of course).
>
>  73
> Ted
> W1GRI
>
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Please help me support D-Star ...and more !

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

Why tie up 15 to 20 repeaters with a chat between two stations - especially
when some folks LIVE on a reflector and tie it up 12 hours a day ?

Also reflectors while great for wide area nets have become much like back
yard repeaters, further fragmenting users.  Seems the bulk of the traffic is
on one CB catch all reflector slot and then many many small fragments spread
out over the remaining 90 - 100 reflector slots - just the opposite result
of concentrating contacts for nets comes about.

" the knowledge and ability to do it seems to be sliding away. " implies
that there was such to begin with.  As you say, so few bother to learn how
to use call sign routing.

The biggest single factor to me is the very unfriendly user interface to the
radio.  Why not have a mix and match basket for frequencies, UR's etc and
make it easier to program ?  or better yet ICOM make your interface known so
others can replace your control head with a smart palm top that is easy to
use ?

Again my 5 cents (recent tax increases force me to go up from 2 cents), and
I may as always be wrong, steve nu5d

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Declan Mc Glone wrote:

>
>
> I think the issue there is simply that the majority of people just don’t do
> Callsign Routing, and depend on DPlus
>
-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

[Ted Wrobel]

At the risk of drawing this into a flame war, it is my opinion that call
sign routing is an idea whose time will never come in a public network. It
suffers a fatal flaw in that is is entirely ignorant of remote repeater
activity and thus prohibits any attemp at etiquette.
 
Since there is no way to know even what repeater you are being directed to,
and that there is no way to monitor that repeater even if you did, there is
no way to be polite with call sign routing.
 
The only hope is that the repeater will ignore a message if it is busy at
some instant - and I'm not convinced that it does.
 
Call sign routing appears to me much akin to the old party-line telephone
system with the exception that no one can tell when the line is busy.
 
Frankly, Dplus is a far superior solution to remote contacts (In my opinon,
of course).
 
73
Ted
W1GRI

  _  

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Declan Mc Glone
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:21
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...


  


I think the issue there is simply that the majority of people just don’t do
Callsign Routing, and depend on DPlus routing instead on the K5TIT network.
So while this is a good technical solution, the knowledge and ability to do
it seems to be sliding away.  I suspect its not something that newcomers pay
a lot of attention to either. It’s a shame really, but having the ability to
reduce the “lag” in synchronising between callsigns as they move from
Repeater to Repeater is a valuable one. It just feels like its arrived too
late. If this was around near the beginning of the WW expansion of the
D-Star network, perhaps we wouldn’t have needed DPlus. Or perhaps DPlus and
Reflectors would have taken a different direction. So the ability to
Callsign Route and exchange information across Networks on a Routing basis
is a very positive development, but its just the lack of routing that’s
probably having the biggest impact on it. Who knows, but I also like the
Callsign Squelch feature in the radios. And again, because people don’t
route directly, or callsign route, it’s a feature rendered useless in the
radios.

Difficult to see how you increase uptake, DPlus and the Reflectors just seem
to be a lot easier in comparison to Direct Routing. I do accept that there
may be areas of the world where this might be the preferred way of doing
things, but none spring to mind as I write this, notwithstanding those who
currently have it installed on their repeaters.

Dex

M0TMX

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john_ke5c
Sent: 30 July 2010 15:44
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

  

> Just waiting for the "Open vs Closed" debate to start (again!) 

For callsign routing there wouldn't have to be a debate if folks would
utilize ircddb:

http://db0fhn.
<http://db0fhn.efi.fh-nuernberg.de/doku.php?id=projects:dstar:ircddb>
efi.fh-nuernberg.de/doku.php?id=projects:dstar:ircddb

Only a handful of gateways on all systems have installed it, however:

http://ircddb. <http://ircddb.net/> net/

Maybe it's a start.

73--John

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Carl Davis]

Yup, that was my next question.  I just wanted to cover each question 
separately.  The spell checker works well.
 
Have fun with D-Rats.  It's a great program.
 
Carl,KB1EJH

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub  wrote:


From: kg4vub 
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 11:40 AM












Yes Carl, thanks for asking.  Triple checked on my end, also logged out, etc. 
to rerun the environment vars.

Anyway, mystery solved!!! Just need to add one more sentence to the HOW TO...

Installation: Install Aspell first, then run the wordlist setup

Al, Fran, need to download and install the dictionary. 


Tom


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:









When you paste the string in the environmental variables did you put a 
semi-colon in first?  There should be the original line then a ; then the 
pasted line from Dan's webpage for the spell checker program.  No spaces 
between the original lines, the semi-colon, and the pasted info.
Do you have that?
Carl, KB1EJH








  

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[kg4vub]

Yes Carl, thanks for asking.  Triple checked on my end, also logged out,
etc. to rerun the environment vars.

Anyway, mystery solved!!! Just need to add one more sentence to the HOW
TO...

Installation: Install Aspell first, *then run the wordlist setup*

Al, Fran, need to download and install the dictionary. 


Tom

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:

>
>
> When you paste the string in the environmental variables did you put a
> semi-colon in first?  There should be the original line then a ; then the
> pasted line from Dan's webpage for the spell checker program.  No spaces
> between the original lines, the semi-colon, and the pasted info.
> Do you have that?
> Carl, KB1EJH
>
>
>

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

[Declan Mc Glone]

I think the issue there is simply that the majority of people just don’t do
Callsign Routing, and depend on DPlus routing instead on the K5TIT network.
So while this is a good technical solution, the knowledge and ability to do
it seems to be sliding away.  I suspect its not something that newcomers pay
a lot of attention to either. It’s a shame really, but having the ability to
reduce the “lag” in synchronising between callsigns as they move from
Repeater to Repeater is a valuable one. It just feels like its arrived too
late. If this was around near the beginning of the WW expansion of the
D-Star network, perhaps we wouldn’t have needed DPlus. Or perhaps DPlus and
Reflectors would have taken a different direction. So the ability to
Callsign Route and exchange information across Networks on a Routing basis
is a very positive development, but its just the lack of routing that’s
probably having the biggest impact on it. Who knows, but I also like the
Callsign Squelch feature in the radios. And again, because people don’t
route directly, or callsign route, it’s a feature rendered useless in the
radios.

 

Difficult to see how you increase uptake, DPlus and the Reflectors just seem
to be a lot easier in comparison to Direct Routing. I do accept that there
may be areas of the world where this might be the preferred way of doing
things, but none spring to mind as I write this, notwithstanding those who
currently have it installed on their repeaters.

 

Dex

M0TMX

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john_ke5c
Sent: 30 July 2010 15:44
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ...

 

  

> Just waiting for the "Open vs Closed" debate to start (again!) 

For callsign routing there wouldn't have to be a debate if folks would
utilize ircddb:

http://db0fhn.efi.fh-nuernberg.de/doku.php?id=projects:dstar:ircddb

Only a handful of gateways on all systems have installed it, however:

http://ircddb.net/

Maybe it's a start.

73--John

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker

[Carl Davis]

When you paste the string in the environmental variables did you put a 
semi-colon in first?  There should be the original line then a ; then the 
pasted line from Dan's webpage for the spell checker program.  No spaces 
between the original lines, the semi-colon, and the pasted info.
Do you have that?
Carl, KB1EJH

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub  wrote:


From: kg4vub 
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 10:45 AM












Thanks for the confirmation.

0.3.2 here.

Tom


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Carl Davis  wrote:









What version of D-Rats are you using?  The spell checker does work and is able 
to be turned on and off via the check box.
Carl,kb1ejh

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, kg4vub  wrote:


From: kg4vub 
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] drats spell checker
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 8:44 AM







I see your issue. 
I went back and reloaded on another XP installation (I'm using mac) and after 
installing aspell, triple checking the environment variable path, logging 
out/back in, rebooting, etc. the checkbox is still not available.

Anyone else see this problem, or have success?


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Francis Miele  wrote:




Yes. I have followed all the directions.

Fran, W1FJM