date:20060828


Craig D. Smith wrote:

Interesting comments earlier about a new 160 tru 10 KX-1 replacement.  I'd
like to offer another alternative.

To do all the bands will add significant cost / size / weight.  I would
favor a modular approach with just the case and common circuitry/ controls
in the main enclosure and then room inside for a single pluggable module so
you could add the band of your choice for any occasion. 
   My idea was to have a radio about the size of the current K2 with 
all bands inside just like the big rigs. No plug in's no parts to misplace.


73 Karl K5DI


  Kind of like the
pluggable coil assembly on the old National HRO 50 and HRO 60 receivers for
you fellow old codgers out there.  For most of my trips these days, I'd just
take 20 and 40 modules.  Later in the sunspot cycle, I could see myself
taking 20, 15 and 17 modules.  I usually only take one antenna each time
anyhow.  Extreme flexibility and only need to pay for and build the bands of
interest to you.   Similar to the approach taken in the K1 except need
faster and easier plugging of the modules w/o need for any tools, etc.

73Craig   AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] A new KX1, maybe KX2?

Mike Morrow wrote:

Karl wrote:

The DDS chip with a TCXO frequency standard makes a really stable
radio. If Elecraft wanted to make an all band CW radio this design
might be the one to use.

The clock frequency of the DDS in the KX1 is 50 MHz, the highest for which the chip is rated.

There are new chips that run with a 100 MHz clock.
The highest usable output frequency from a DDS is about one-third of its DDS clock.

Exactly right Mike.

You'll be out of luck trying to generate any transmit signal or receiver
local oscillator signal above about 16.6 MHz.

Not a problem doing so if we either use the faster DDS Chip and
TCXO. I think the new DDS uses much more current, as expected, and if
not good then consider using a simple doubler circuit for obtaining
17,15,24, and 10 meters.
It seems to me that using a TXCO unit as the DDS clock would be gross overkill. The current design is already just about as stable as any simple crystal-controlled oscillator. It would be hard to justify the cost, size, and power consumption of the TXCO unit unless the radio is to be used for long sessions in frequency-critical data-mode operation, which the KX1 doesn't support for unrelated reasons.

This off the wall KX2 is not a simple radio. It should be complex
and have all the features you have on the expensive radios at a lower
cost. The TXCO is cheap, like $5.00 for a 75 MHz job and it's 1/2 by 1/4
inch solid copper. I have one in my ATS-3 kit radio.

The new Double Balanced Mixers can go a long way towards improving
Image rejection, a current problem with single conversion.

The relatively high 4.9 MHz IF of the single conversion Elecraft rigs is
already excellent for image rejection.

Not so. Ask any European user and they will talk about Broadcast
spurs that occur when a 350,000 Watt station is 1 hop away on the Image
frequency. The latest mixers can help to stop this problem.

Using a simple DDS frequency generating scheme, as opposed to a PLL locked to a
DDS, is less than optimum for transmitter spurious output and for receiver
performance, due to the DDS frequency spurs that always accompany the desired
DDS frequency in the raw output.

There are some spurs from the Digital part of the DDS and you must
be smart to filter them out. This can be done and is done in the KX1.

These are the main issues that degrade the RF performance of the KX1, compared
to the K1 with its simple LC VFO and heterodyne crystal oscillator frequency
generation scheme.

The K2 is about 1992 technology. It will work fine but I expect the
KX2 to be superior.

73,
Mike / KK5F

73 Karl K5DI

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[Elecraft] K2 Front Panel Extension

2006-08-28 Thread Lemkes

 I really like the idea of a Front Panel Extension for the K2 and have 
seriously thought about building one myself.  I like lots of knobs, switches 
and buttons.  I dislike having to do repeated "long presses" of a button to 
cycle through the DSP filter bandwidths, for example.  I'd much rather have 
a button for each bandwidth for both the DSP and crystal filters.  And, as 
another example, I long press for "tune" several times a day, but never use 
short press "Ant 1/2" except inadvertently when I'm trying to tune in a 
hurry!
 So, my K2 front panel extension, some day, will have single function 
buttons with indicators, and be run by a dedicated computer mother board 
that talks to the front panel and the K2.

 73, Dick, AD7AF

Dick and Marty Lemke
PO Box 1038
Ocean Park, WA 98640
Tel. 360-665-2438
www.lemkestudios.com 


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[Elecraft] August RFTB Summary

2006-08-28 Thread Larry Makoski W2LJ

We had another good month.  In August 35 folks made use of the Autolog.  
I see we had some newer members enter the fray.  Good job!  Have fun 
with the RFTB and before you know it, contest like Sweepstakes and other 
"biggies" won't seem so daunting!


Congratulations, and a tip o' the Flying Pig cap to this months top 
three scorers:
Bob N4BP in First, Randy K7TQ in Second and John K4BAI in Third.  
Gentlemen, you are the envy of us all as well as our role models.  We 
all aspire to get as good as you guys are.


Here's the rundown:

N4BP   Bob   3220 pts
K7TQ   Randy 2254 pts
K4BAI  John  1458 pts
K3NCO  Marc  1311 pts
NG7Z   Paul  0966 pts
WØUFO  Mert  0960 pts
K1EV   Bill  0924 pts
NØJRN  Jerry 0885 pts
W8HC   Hal   0855 pts
AB9CA  Dave  0770 pts
W2LJ   Larry 0742 pts
K3OQ   Jeff  0658 pts
WA8THK Perry 0588 pts
N5EBD  Ken   0546 pts
W2SH   Charles  0480 pts
W5TB   Doc   0451 pts
K8KFJ  Gary  0408 pts
KW4JS  John  0350 pts
KA2KGP Tom   0344 pts
K4KO   Greg  0261 pts
KB6NU  Dan   0224 pts
AD5QB  Ken   0176 pts
WA3OFF Dave  0176 pts
K7TP/6 Grover  0174 pts
WU7R   Ci0147 pts
N1LT   Dick  0090 pts
W5ESE  Scott 0080 pts
W3TUA  Korey 0054 pts
W1PID  Jim   0048 pts
K6DGB  Chris 0035 pts
W9NX   Kent  0014 pts
N3HJV  Rob   0012 pts
K4TWJ  Dave  0012 pts (200 mW with a Tuna Tin 2!)
KD2MX  Paul  0003 pts
K6BBQ  Rem   0003 pts

I'd like to remind you that those Piggies who participate in at least 10 
RFTBs this year will receive an attendance certificate at the end of the 
year.  However, those Piggies who have a PERFECT attendance record for 
the year so far are: K4KO, K6BBQ, KA2KGP, KD2MX, NØJRN, W2LJ, W9NX and 
WA8THK.


Also, the top 3 scorers (accumulated points) will receive some handsome 
mementos commemorating their success and achievements. 

Don't forget - the next RFTB is Sunday night September 17th.  See you 
there - think we can exceed 40 logs this time?


73 es oo
Larry W2LJ

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[Elecraft] A new KX-1 ?

2006-08-28 Thread Craig D. Smith

Interesting comments earlier about a new 160 tru 10 KX-1 replacement.  I'd
like to offer another alternative.

To do all the bands will add significant cost / size / weight.  I would
favor a modular approach with just the case and common circuitry/ controls
in the main enclosure and then room inside for a single pluggable module so
you could add the band of your choice for any occasion.   Kind of like the
pluggable coil assembly on the old National HRO 50 and HRO 60 receivers for
you fellow old codgers out there.  For most of my trips these days, I'd just
take 20 and 40 modules.  Later in the sunspot cycle, I could see myself
taking 20, 15 and 17 modules.  I usually only take one antenna each time
anyhow.  Extreme flexibility and only need to pay for and build the bands of
interest to you.   Similar to the approach taken in the K1 except need
faster and easier plugging of the modules w/o need for any tools, etc.

73Craig   AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Tony Morgan

Exactly Keith,
You need that $1100 to put towards the new Elecraft amp!

73
Tony W7GO
- Original Message - 
From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

Bob, that's a GREAT idea.  As I think about it, I realize ...

I DON'T WANT A K3.

There, I said it.  I don't want a K3, I just want an larger and more
spread out UI for the K2.  I want a new front panel, bigger case, bigger
knobs.

BUT that ruins the K2 for portable use, now doesn't it.

So, your approach of a K2 "docking station" may be the better answer.
Plug in to the thingy and you have a larger UI.  Unplug and your rig is
still portable.  No PC to lug around.  Now combine the large UI panel
with the 100 watt PA in a single case and it gets cooler yet!

How much?  I guess I'm willing to spend $250 or so on a new front panel
thingy.  I'm not willing to spend $1100 on a new rig. 

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -

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Re: [Elecraft] 2 Elecraft kits I've pondered

2006-08-28 Thread JT Croteau


On 8/28/06, John Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Another niche within ham radio are lowband DXers & I've often wondered
whether there would be a market for an *optimized* 40/80/160m transceiver.


I couldn't agree more.  Especially if Elecraft can keep it below the
price of an excellent condition Omni VI+ but it might be hard to do if
you want 500W finals.  ;-)

--
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ARS #2,147 | NoGA-QRP | SEDXC | SECC | ARRL
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Re: [Elecraft] A new KX1, maybe KX2?

2006-08-28 Thread Mike Morrow

Karl wrote:

>The DDS chip with a TCXO frequency standard makes a really stable 
>radio. If Elecraft wanted to make an all band CW radio this design
>might be the one to use. 

The clock frequency of the DDS in the KX1 is 50 MHz, the highest for which the 
chip is rated.  The highest usable output frequency from a DDS is about 
one-third of its DDS clock.   You'll be out of luck trying to generate any 
transmit signal or receiver local oscillator signal above about 16.6 MHz.

It seems to me that using a TXCO unit as the DDS clock would be gross overkill. 
 The current design is already just about as stable as any simple 
crystal-controlled oscillator.  It would be hard to justify the cost, size, and 
power consumption of the TXCO unit unless the radio is to be used for long 
sessions in frequency-critical data-mode operation, which the KX1 doesn't 
support for unrelated reasons.  

>The new Double Balanced Mixers can go a long way towards improving
>Image rejection, a current problem with single conversion.

The relatively high 4.9 MHz IF of the single conversion Elecraft rigs is 
already excellent for image rejection.

Using a simple DDS frequency generating scheme, as opposed to a PLL locked to a 
DDS, is less than optimum for transmitter spurious output and for receiver 
performance, due to the DDS frequency spurs that always accompany the desired 
DDS frequency in the raw output.

These are the main issues that degrade the RF performance of the KX1, compared 
to the K1 with its simple LC VFO and heterodyne crystal oscillator frequency 
generation scheme.

73,
Mike / KK5F
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[Elecraft] 2 Elecraft kits I've pondered

2006-08-28 Thread John Harper

The KX1 (and to some extent, the K1) filled a void when they were offered. 
Heathkit evaporated in the late 80's and, for over a decade, no HW-9 
equivelant was available. Despite the fact that both the KX1 and the K1 
appealed to only one segment of hams - QRPers - a ton of them are now on the 
air.


Another niche within ham radio are lowband DXers & I've often wondered 
whether there would be a market for an *optimized* 40/80/160m transceiver. 
Ten Tec began the trend of HF transceivers dedicated strictly to the ham 
bands when the other Big 3 where making rigs with general coverage 
receivers. Today, three of the most-prized rigs for DXing the low bands are 
an old Drake R4C (modified) and Ten Tec's Omni 6+ and now the Orion II. 
These rigs all have ham-bands-only receivers rather than a compromised 
general coverage receiver. Being "old school" I've always believed something 
dedicated to a specific task is better than something that tries to do it 
all. But that doesn't necessarily apply to radios within the 1.8-30 MHz 
range... or does it? Would an optimized lowband rig be able to offer 
performance greater than a general 10-160m rig? If so, would it be 
profitable to offer such a kit? Successful lowband DXers typically have the 
property available for decent antennas on these wavelengths and dedicate 
both money and energy into fine-tuning their stations. I don't count myself 
among them, but their stations are the reason for the success of small-gun 
stations like mine on the lower bands. Based on the effort put into these 
stations, I bet the market is there if the performance was there for such a 
rig. Also, such a rig would have a 500w transmitter.


Another kit I'd like to see is a 10-160m portable QRP kit similar to the 
KX1. Index Labs' QRP+ was such a rig and used 80's technology to make it 
available. What would be possible now? The KX1 morphed overnight from a 
2-bander to a tribander and is now a 4 band rig. How about a 9 band rig, 5 
watts out, CW & SSB with all the other features of the KX1 in a package size 
somewhere between the KX1 and Index' QRP+.


Just thinking out loud here, folks..just thinking out loud... ;-)

John Harper AE5X
Portable QRP: http://www.ae5x.com


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread Lloyd Lachow


On 8/28/06, Lloyd Lachow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's not "Grosse" or "Goose," it's "Gosse," and it looks to be VE7ECK,
who, apparently, inadvertently left his out-of-office reply on.


 sorry, I meant that he was apparently away and we're getting an
automated response. Seems obvious, but...

  LL/K3ESE
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread Lloyd Lachow


It's not "Grosse" or "Goose," it's "Gosse," and it looks to be VE7ECK,
who, apparently, inadvertently left his out-of-office reply on. So,
no, the sky is not falling, or worse...the "offender" is not (gasp!) a
"European."

Sheesh!

LL/K3ESE
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[Elecraft] K1 and internal battery packs

2006-08-28 Thread ARDUJENSKI

I am in the process of building the K1 but I  found this site with battery 
packs (some with substantial Ah ratings) and  various battery pack connectors. 
With some of the concerns over connectors and  difficulty removing cells 
expressed in several postings, I am not sure if any of  these battery packs 
with 
connectors may facilitate battery  removal.

Thought I would pass  along

http://www.onlybatterypacks.com/main.asp

Alan  KB7MBI
Woodinville, WA
FISTS 5702   CC: 1885  

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I received an identical message.

Doug
W6JD

-- Original message -- 
From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

  
The last 2 messages I sent to the list made it, but I also got a funny 
"bounce" message. 

--- 
Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: 

Keith Gosse (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 
 



Anyone else seeing this? Do I have a virus? 

   This is the result of some idiots email server that is full and 
sends everyone who writes this list that message. It is normal but 
should not happen. I think it must be from Europe.


73 Karl K5DI

- Keith KD1E - 
- K2 5411 - 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread Gregg R. Lengling

You have to remeber that when you reply to all on this remailer, it goes to 
the group and to the orginatorso the bounce may be coming from the 
original poster.


Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
K2/100 SN 3075
http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org

- Original Message - 
From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith 
Grosse?"



The last 2 messages I sent to the list made it, but I also got a funny
"bounce" message.

---
Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

Keith Gosse (Mailbox or Conference is full.)



Anyone else seeing this?  Do I have a virus?

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -
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RE: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "KeithGrosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A


Same here after my post yesterday.



Arie PA3A

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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

Brilliant idea!  I would buy one, without question.

David, k3tue
.

--- "Solosko, Robert B (Bob)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't want to have to haul a laptop with me when I travel with my K2,
> what I would like is [...] a simple, and small front panel extension box...
> [...]
> So, would you buy such a front panel extension? How much would this go toward
> satisfying your desire for a K2+ or a K3, and how much would you be willing
> to pay for it?

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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

Someone's already done this.  I forget his reason, but if I recall, he used a
pic controller to send commands to the i/o connection.  I immagine such a
device could be made to be quite flexable/programmable.

--- "Solosko, Robert B (Bob)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It seems to me that the K2 does everything I want it to do from a feature and
> performance point of view - where it's lacking, as may people have said,  is
> in user ergonomics. There are just too many functions that are squeezed into
> the limited front panel to make it very easy to use. While I haven't yet
> hooked my K2 to a computer, it looks like a number of the programs that work
> with the K2 effectively expand the front panel with more "push buttons" and
> controls. But since I don't want to have to haul a laptop with me when I
> travel with my K2, what I would like is not another bigger (and more
> expensive) K2+ or K3 but a simple, and small front panel extension box...
> perhaps something about the size of a KX-1. This box would have separate push
> buttons for each XTAL and DSP filter and for each of the  tuning rates - that
> way I can just press a button and not have to cycle around all of the
> different choices to get to the one that I want. And, each button would have
> a built in L!
>  ED that would light to indicate which button I pushed so that the choice is
> immediately obvious. This front panel extension box could also have a number
> of buttons for other functions that now require several menu steps, such as
> turning the DSP noise filter on and off, displaying the clock, etc. It can
> also have separate LED indicators to indicate when the RIT is on, when the
> XIT is on, etc. The box wouldn't duplicate any of the functions that are now
> directly available on the K2 front panel but would make it much easier to get
> to the frequently used functions that require multiple pushes of a button or
> multiple menus. 
> 
> The nice thing about such a front panel extension, besides making the K2 much
> more user friendly, and being small and light enough to take along, is that
> it could be easily implemented with a small processor that interfaces to the
> K2 via the remote K2 commands through the KIO2. 
> 
> So, would you buy such a front panel extension? How much would this go toward
> satisfying your desire for a K2+ or a K3, and how much would you be willing
> to pay for it?
> 
> Bob W1SRB
> 
> P.S. I sent this idea to Wayne and Eric several months ago.
> 
> 
>   . 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred (FL)
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:13 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?
> 
> 
> I feel, all Elecraft needs to consider - is creating
> a 2007 version of the K2, updated with 2006
> technology, 2006 microelectronics, better display,
> and a few bells and whistles to play with.
> 
> What the HOO  bigger knobs, larger front
> panel to boot.  
> 
> Call it the K2+ or K2MKII or K207  IMHO many
> new and previous K2 owners would buy it.  Consider
> how many auto owners upgrade to buy the latest
> VERSION of their favorite auto.  Happens every day.
> Unfortunately, in the U.S. auto industry - NEW
> MODELS may contain less features, and less
> quality. Ala no chrome, no metal bumpers, no
> HP, no 8 cylinders, no oil pressure 
> 
> If Elecraft told me I could buy the K2+ or K207
> - why wouldn't I want one?
> 
> And this would give the Elecraft principals - more
> memory to play around in, and more technology to
> beef up the performance even more.  Its a win,
> win.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fred
> N3CSY
> 
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

Bob, that's a GREAT idea.  As I think about it, I realize ...

I DON'T WANT A K3.

There, I said it.  I don't want a K3, I just want an larger and more
spread out UI for the K2.  I want a new front panel, bigger case, bigger
knobs.

BUT that ruins the K2 for portable use, now doesn't it.

So, your approach of a K2 "docking station" may be the better answer.
Plug in to the thingy and you have a larger UI.  Unplug and your rig is
still portable.  No PC to lug around.  Now combine the large UI panel
with the 100 watt PA in a single case and it gets cooler yet!

How much?  I guess I'm willing to spend $250 or so on a new front panel
thingy.  I'm not willing to spend $1100 on a new rig. 

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -

-Original Message-
From: Robert B (Bob)

So, would you buy such a front panel extension? How much would this go
toward satisfying your desire for a K2+ or a K3, and how much would you
be willing to pay for it?

Bob W1SRB

P.S. I sent this idea to Wayne and Eric several months ago.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread W4ABW

I got him too, just about an hour ago.
 
Al
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Solosko, Robert B (Bob)

It seems to me that the K2 does everything I want it to do from a feature and 
performance point of view - where it's lacking, as may people have said,  is in 
user ergonomics. There are just too many functions that are squeezed into the 
limited front panel to make it very easy to use. While I haven't yet hooked my 
K2 to a computer, it looks like a number of the programs that work with the K2 
effectively expand the front panel with more "push buttons" and controls. But 
since I don't want to have to haul a laptop with me when I travel with my K2, 
what I would like is not another bigger (and more expensive) K2+ or K3 but a 
simple, and small front panel extension box... perhaps something about the size 
of a KX-1. This box would have separate push buttons for each XTAL and DSP 
filter and for each of the  tuning rates - that way I can just press a button 
and not have to cycle around all of the different choices to get to the one 
that I want. And, each button would have a built in L!
 ED that would light to indicate which button I pushed so that the choice is 
immediately obvious. This front panel extension box could also have a number of 
buttons for other functions that now require several menu steps, such as 
turning the DSP noise filter on and off, displaying the clock, etc. It can also 
have separate LED indicators to indicate when the RIT is on, when the XIT is 
on, etc. The box wouldn't duplicate any of the functions that are now directly 
available on the K2 front panel but would make it much easier to get to the 
frequently used functions that require multiple pushes of a button or multiple 
menus. 

The nice thing about such a front panel extension, besides making the K2 much 
more user friendly, and being small and light enough to take along, is that it 
could be easily implemented with a small processor that interfaces to the K2 
via the remote K2 commands through the KIO2. 

So, would you buy such a front panel extension? How much would this go toward 
satisfying your desire for a K2+ or a K3, and how much would you be willing to 
pay for it?

Bob W1SRB

P.S. I sent this idea to Wayne and Eric several months ago.


. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred (FL)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:13 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?


I feel, all Elecraft needs to consider - is creating
a 2007 version of the K2, updated with 2006
technology, 2006 microelectronics, better display,
and a few bells and whistles to play with.

What the HOO  bigger knobs, larger front
panel to boot.  

Call it the K2+ or K2MKII or K207  IMHO many
new and previous K2 owners would buy it.  Consider
how many auto owners upgrade to buy the latest
VERSION of their favorite auto.  Happens every day.
Unfortunately, in the U.S. auto industry - NEW
MODELS may contain less features, and less
quality. Ala no chrome, no metal bumpers, no
HP, no 8 cylinders, no oil pressure 

If Elecraft told me I could buy the K2+ or K207
- why wouldn't I want one?

And this would give the Elecraft principals - more
memory to play around in, and more technology to
beef up the performance even more.  Its a win,
win.

Thanks,
Fred
N3CSY


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread Thom R LaCosta


On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Darwin, Keith wrote:


The last 2 messages I sent to the list made it, but I also got a funny
"bounce" message.

---
Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

Keith Gosse (Mailbox or Conference is full.)



Anyone else seeing this?  Do I have a virus?


Are you Keith Goose?  I am getting the same thing

Problem should go away once he clears his mail box...

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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

> I'm glad that Elecraft didn't design and produce a rig that I could never 
> afford!

Amen!

dt
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

2006-08-28 Thread w6jd

Yes, I received an identical message.

Doug
W6JD

-- Original message -- 
From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> The last 2 messages I sent to the list made it, but I also got a funny 
> "bounce" message. 
> 
> --- 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: 
> 
> Keith Gosse (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 
>  
> 
> 
> Anyone else seeing this? Do I have a virus? 
> 
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RE: [Elecraft] K2 crystal grounding

There is an errata that says to put 2 grounds to each crystal.  One to
the top, one to the side (or maybe one on each side?  I believe the
change was part of the errata for the SSB module???

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-Original Message-

Could anyone send me a picture of the crystals X7-X11 that are correctly
grounded?

The manual says the grounding wires should be soldered to the sides of
the crystals but on all the pictures I found on the net they are
soldered on top.

Jurgen Geldhof
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

I could embrace that, as I doubt (I do not know if) it would be a huge
development investment.  A bigger case with a new bigger front panel for
more/larger knobs, larger display, and analog S-meter;  As someone said, more
base/main station like.  Your old K2 could attach right to the new
control/display board and you would be off and running.  But who knows if it
would be worth the investment for Elecraft.

'T'would be sweet.

David, k3tue
.


--- "Fred (FL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I feel, all Elecraft needs to consider - is creating
> a 2007 version of the K2, updated with 2006
> technology, 2006 microelectronics, better display,
> and a few bells and whistles to play with.
> 
> What the HOO  bigger knobs, larger front
> panel to boot.  
> 
> Call it the K2+ or K2MKII or K207  IMHO many
> new and previous K2 owners would buy it.  Consider
> how many auto owners upgrade to buy the latest
> VERSION of their favorite auto.  Happens every day.
> Unfortunately, in the U.S. auto industry - NEW
> MODELS may contain less features, and less
> quality. Ala no chrome, no metal bumpers, no
> HP, no 8 cylinders, no oil pressure 
> 
> If Elecraft told me I could buy the K2+ or K207
> - why wouldn't I want one?
> 
> And this would give the Elecraft principals - more
> memory to play around in, and more technology to
> beef up the performance even more.  Its a win,
> win.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fred
> N3CSY
> 
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Thom R LaCosta


On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Fred (FL) wrote:


I feel, all Elecraft needs to consider - is creating
a 2007 version of the K2, updated with 2006
technology, 2006 microelectronics, better display,
and a few bells and whistles to play with.



It's very interesting to hear all the second guessing of the Elecraft folks 
hereone might make the assumption that without the K3 Elecraft will dry up 
and blow away in the winds.


Another viewpoint might be that Eric and Wayne looked long and hard at the 
Amateur Radio market and produced a superior product that is well accepted, and 
if judged by price is quite a value, or if judged by quality is quite a value, 
or if judged by the ability for the owner to repair the unit is quite a value.
Other benefits such as building your own rig, having something that is 
sub-sub-sub battleship size, easily used in portable and emergency situations 
seem to appeal to many.


But what do I know, simple appliance operator that I am, and not with unlimited 
funds to purchase the latest(but not always greatest) technology with large 
knobs, multi-colored displays and bands from DC to light, including a general 
coverage receiver, TV monitor, radar detector and security system.


I'm glad that Elecraft didn't design and produce a rig that I could never 
afford!


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[Elecraft] K2 crystal grounding

2006-08-28 Thread Jurgen ON5MF


Hi,

For the moment I'm enjoying the construction of K2 number 5549.

Could anyone send me a picture of the crystals X7-X11 that are correctly 
grounded?


The manual says the grounding wires should be soldered to the sides of 
the crystals but on all the pictures I found on the net they are 
soldered on top.

--

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Kenwood 480 (was ... K3?)

2006-08-28 Thread f5nhj


Hi

480 a K3 ? i don't know but a new trx is on air ( prototype for now)  the 
Tokyo Hy-Power HT-200 QRP. 10 w hf 20 w on 6 meters.. SSB CW AM FM only 
already made i think...

You can found the little trx on the hamfair 2006 in Tokyo.

Jean louis
F5NHJ
K2#5371 


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[Elecraft] OT - Virus? Problem with list server? Who is "Keith Grosse?"

The last 2 messages I sent to the list made it, but I also got a funny
"bounce" message.
 
---
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Keith Gosse (Mailbox or Conference is full.)

 
 
Anyone else seeing this?  Do I have a virus?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Kenwood 480 (was ... K3?)

So basically you have a slick case along with a number of knobs and features to
manipulate fascets of an inferior receiver?  I guess this is how you sell an
appliance that is inferior in performance.

Even if the argument is that the K2 is inferior in aesthetics, mounting, and
features, how much of what is "inferior " is not compensatable by your hands
and your brain (eg. IF shift = BFO shift + VFO shift)?

I know where I am spending my money (when I finish saving it up).  Is it my
immagination or does anyone else feel like they are a kid saving their paper
route money for, well, a really cool radio?

David, k3tue
.

--- "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I believe the ample info available from the ham community, the
> Kenwood, while offering a lot of polish, is lacking in what I'd call
> essential performance.  At the core, it's receiver does not do as well
> as the K2 (or K3 presumably) at handling the dynamics of the current HF
> bands and doesn't do as well at producing clean, pleasing audio.  In
> exchange for giving up that basic solid receiver performance, you get a
> lot more features that allow the rig to do things the K2 cannot.
> 
> Of course, that does not negate the validity of your point.  Yes, the
> Asian rigs do offer features not available from Elecraft and to many
> hams, their eye-candy appeal is too good to pass up, provided you can
> check your critical ear and high standards at the door.
> 
> 73 Jim & all!
> 
> - Keith KD1E -
> - K2 5411 -
> 
> -Original Message-
> ...
> As far as price goes, you need to consider that the Kenwood TS-480SAT
> has all the features the K2 has, PLUS general coverage receive, PLUS 6M.
> It also comes standards with the remoteable control head.  And it's
> available right now for less than 1 kilobuck.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

I can't imagine how many days or weeks of time and cost of shipping, labor, and
parts the same damage on a Kenwood 480 would be.

David, k3tue
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--- Mark Bayern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 8/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > And when it fails, good luck fixing it yourself! 8-)
> 
> funny you should mention that! ... this was posted within the last
> week on a QRP group's reflector.
> 
> ~~
> 
> >From QRPland; I made the fatal mistake of leaving my K-1 plugged in
> and hooked up during an electrical storm...ZAP-POW-SPLAT...Batman!
> There was no crash, no flash of lightning, just a silent power surge
> that took out the EEprom, the Voltage regulator and a diode in the
> ATU. Total cost of repairs was $7.49 (including postage). Finding the
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Fred (FL)

I feel, all Elecraft needs to consider - is creating
a 2007 version of the K2, updated with 2006
technology, 2006 microelectronics, better display,
and a few bells and whistles to play with.

What the HOO  bigger knobs, larger front
panel to boot.  

Call it the K2+ or K2MKII or K207  IMHO many
new and previous K2 owners would buy it.  Consider
how many auto owners upgrade to buy the latest
VERSION of their favorite auto.  Happens every day.
Unfortunately, in the U.S. auto industry - NEW
MODELS may contain less features, and less
quality. Ala no chrome, no metal bumpers, no
HP, no 8 cylinders, no oil pressure 

If Elecraft told me I could buy the K2+ or K207
- why wouldn't I want one?

And this would give the Elecraft principals - more
memory to play around in, and more technology to
beef up the performance even more.  Its a win,
win.

Thanks,
Fred
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Re: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Mark Bayern


On 8/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


And when it fails, good luck fixing it yourself! 8-)


funny you should mention that! ... this was posted within the last
week on a QRP group's reflector.

~~


From QRPland; I made the fatal mistake of leaving my K-1 plugged in

and hooked up during an electrical storm...ZAP-POW-SPLAT...Batman!
There was no crash, no flash of lightning, just a silent power surge
that took out the EEprom, the Voltage regulator and a diode in the
ATU. Total cost of repairs was $7.49 (including postage). Finding the
problem took about 4 hours of bad language.

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[Elecraft] Kenwood 480 (was ... K3?)

If I believe the ample info available from the ham community, the
Kenwood, while offering a lot of polish, is lacking in what I'd call
essential performance.  At the core, it's receiver does not do as well
as the K2 (or K3 presumably) at handling the dynamics of the current HF
bands and doesn't do as well at producing clean, pleasing audio.  In
exchange for giving up that basic solid receiver performance, you get a
lot more features that allow the rig to do things the K2 cannot.

Of course, that does not negate the validity of your point.  Yes, the
Asian rigs do offer features not available from Elecraft and to many
hams, their eye-candy appeal is too good to pass up, provided you can
check your critical ear and high standards at the door.

73 Jim & all!

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -

-Original Message-
...
As far as price goes, you need to consider that the Kenwood TS-480SAT
has all the features the K2 has, PLUS general coverage receive, PLUS 6M.
It also comes standards with the remoteable control head.  And it's
available right now for less than 1 kilobuck.

73, Jim KM5M
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Re: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-28 Thread w6jd

And when it fails, good luck fixing it yourself! 8-)
And how about that terrible receiver front end?

Doug
W6JD
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> I'm sure I speak for many, and I would be very interested in a K3 if it has a 
> general coverage receiver. 
> 
> That's the main reason I can't seriously consider a K2 to meet my needs. I 
> do a LOT of listening - far more than operating. So a compact mobile 
> transceiver MUST have a general coverage receiver to be of interest to me. 
> 
> As far as price goes, you need to consider that the Kenwood TS-480SAT has all 
> the features the K2 has, PLUS general coverage receive, PLUS 6M. It also 
> comes standards with the remoteable control head. And it's available right 
> now 
> for less than 1 kilobuck. 
> 
> 73, Jim KM5M 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3? (style)

2006-08-28 Thread W4ABW

The K-3 ! How about that.
I see a more ergonomic styled Elecraft with enhanced meters and nice big  
knobs.
In kit form still but in a larger box to allow more room to populate the  
boards.
A style more in tune with the new Elecraft amplifier.
Perhaps a built in power supply as well.
 
Classic black in color, to match the new amp, for sure !
 
Al
W4ABW
Raleigh
 
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Craig Rairdin

> Yes! And the six meter band in the radio as well, and a variable IF shift,

> and a manual notch filter, and...

I sympathize with Eric and Wayne as they think about the future of this
product. Everybody wants something different. I seem to be able to work as
many stations as I care to talk to without variable IF shift and a manual
notch filter. And the last time I was on 6m was using my TV to watch channel
2 when the cable went out. Not that these aren't important features but that
everyone's needs are different.

Frankly I just want something that looks cooler. I don't know what features
those $10K rigs have that are better or different than my K2, but I like
those big color screens with lots of waveforms, numbers, and digitally
reproduced analog meters on them. Hey, maybe they pick up channel 2 on those
screens and I could work 6m, too. :-)

Craig
NZ0R

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[Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-28 Thread We5f

I'm sure I speak for many, and I would be very interested in a K3 if it has a 
general coverage receiver.

That's the main reason I can't seriously consider a K2 to meet my needs.  I 
do a LOT of listening - far more than operating.  So a compact mobile 
transceiver MUST have a general coverage receiver to be of interest to me.

As far as price goes, you need to consider that the Kenwood TS-480SAT has all 
the features the K2 has, PLUS general coverage receive, PLUS 6M.  It also 
comes standards with the remoteable control head.  And it's available right now 
for less than 1 kilobuck.

73, Jim KM5M

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Re: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-28 Thread Darrell Bellerive

On August 28, 2006 09:38 am, Darwin, Keith wrote:
> Which is why I personally favor a K2-B.  K2 internals married with a
> larger front panel featuring more and larger knobs.  Same basic K2
> performance in a larger package with more base-station oriented
> ergonomics.  Basically, I guess I'm thinking I don't really need a K3 at
> all.  The K2's performance is all I require, but a bigger box and analog
> S-meter would be nice.

Yes! And the six meter band in the radio as well, and a variable IF shift, and 
a manual notch filter, and...

Count me in.

Darrell  VA7TO  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Darrell Bellerive
Amateur Radio Stations VA7TO and VE7CLA
Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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RE: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

Quite a post there Doug.  Thanks for the comments & insight.

... But ...

That line of logic would have suggested the K2 would not have been
successful.  A QRP rig for $600?  Gee, for that price we can get a full
power rig from Asia.  But as history has show, the risk has paid off and
the K2 has indeed been a pretty successful rig both within and beyond
the QRP community.

If there were a K3 and if it offered enough improvements or changes to
differentiate itself from the K2, then you'd see some pretty good sales.
I suspect much of the sales would be to existing customers who already
have a K2, K1 and/or KX1.  We as a group have already shown that we're
eager to buy multiple Elecraft offerings.  After all there is
substantial overlap between the 3 rigs (esp. K1 & KX1) yet many have all
3!

Being a kit is a differentiator all it's own.  With no Heathkit kits
anymore, those who want to build are left rather unsatisfied.  Let's say
the K3 were a 100 watt HF rig with a full-size form factor, full size
ergonomics and operating features similar to the K2.  Further assume a
price tag of, say $1000.  I bet you'd see sales!

Of course, as you point out, the trick is just what would a K3 be?  Top
notch contest rig?  Bottom tier starter rig?  DC to Daylight all mode
rig?  SDR?  It makes my head spin just thinking about it.

Which is why I personally favor a K2-B.  K2 internals married with a
larger front panel featuring more and larger knobs.  Same basic K2
performance in a larger package with more base-station oriented
ergonomics.  Basically, I guess I'm thinking I don't really need a K3 at
all.  The K2's performance is all I require, but a bigger box and analog
S-meter would be nice.

73!

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -

-Original Message-

Wherefore at thou, K3?

*snip*

I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.  I think
the reality might be something different.  I would love to be proven
wrong
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Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936-12 Solder Station.

I am guessing from your callsign that you are in Spain.  Did you try

().  My 936-12 is labled specifically
120VAC @ 60Hz .  Of course, if you wish to use it in the US in the future it
kind of screws you.  Did you try calling one of the US Vendors (go to
www.google.us and type hakko and look at the blu box at the top, do it a few
times to get different results)?  They might be nire helpful than my attempt to
help.

David, k3tue
.

--- "Robert T. Davis Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>I'd  like to order A Nakko 936-12 solder station but I need to know if
>this  unit will work with a 220AC input. and if not I assume I can use
>a step down tranformer, 110 at 50 HZ?  Thankyou BoB AB5HG/EA7AQP   P.S
>I  sent  a  msg. to a couple of venders and received back an automated
>ans. telling me they would get back to me soon, they have never ans.
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Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936-12 Solder Station.


Robert T. Davis Jr. wrote:


  I'd  like to order A Nakko 936-12 solder station but I need to know if
  this  unit will work with a 220AC input. and if not I assume I can use
  a step down tranformer, 110 at 50 HZ?
   If you have or can find a small transformer it will work. The solder 
station I have uses 60 watts max. This is so low I can build kits when 
camped out in my trailer. I have a 12 vdc system and a inverter that 
makes 120 vac and the solder station works just fine.


73 Karl
K5DI


  Thankyou BoB AB5HG/EA7AQP   P.S
  I  sent  a  msg. to a couple of venders and received back an automated
  ans. telling me they would get back to me soon, they have never ans.


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[Elecraft] Hakko 936-12 Solder Station.

2006-08-28 Thread Robert T. Davis Jr.



  I'd  like to order A Nakko 936-12 solder station but I need to know if
  this  unit will work with a 220AC input. and if not I assume I can use
  a step down tranformer, 110 at 50 HZ?  Thankyou BoB AB5HG/EA7AQP   P.S
  I  sent  a  msg. to a couple of venders and received back an automated
  ans. telling me they would get back to me soon, they have never ans.
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[Elecraft] A new KX1, maybe KX2?