[Elecraft] [K3] CE Marking, Update Software
Hi, A couple short questions: 1) Does the K3 have a CE marking (yet)? 2) What is the soft situation like for updating the K3 with computers which do not run windows, e.g. MAC-OS X, Linux etc. I seem to remember that the updater was written in C#. Have you tried to port the software using Mono? vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Can the values of all these parameters be uploaded and downloaded from the control port? If so, someone (I wish I could) needs to write a program to do those functions and display them all with the differences from defaults marked. 73, doug Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:48:36 -0700 From: Vic K2VCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are literally hundreds of parameters in a radio like the K3 that could be made adjustable. Some of them are extremely useful because they allow you to customize the rig for your personal preferences (like the AGC slope) and others because they are related to integration with other station equipment or your environment (like the high and low gain settings for the mic and speaker/phones amplifiers). If everything that could be adjustable was, you'd have a huge menu, people would find it confusing and hard to use, and they would set things wrong and forget what they changed and how to reset it. It would not be a better radio, it would be a worse radio. One of the decisions out of the thousands that Wayne had to make was to choose a reasonable set of configurable parameters. Everybody might not agree with the set that he chose, but then everybody isn't happy with the size of the K3, or the available options, etc. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - keying an amp
Stuart My K2 keys my Acom 1000 just fine. Full QSK too. 73 Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
We knew we'd get a lot of new feedback on firmware issues once we released the manual. After a huge amount of private e-mail and discussion today over the AGC issue, I've concluded that some of the AGC controls should go back in. They might not be available the instant you get your K3, however. The next revision of the manual (A3) will reflect the changes. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wayne, I read your reply to this thread with great consideration. I think your observation that most field testers did not adjust the AGC parameters is a good one. However, I think that that K3--and the Elecraft product line in general--particularly appeals to people who value amateur experimentation. I don't presume to speak for Wayne, but I don't see a problem here. There are literally hundreds of parameters in a radio like the K3 that could be made adjustable. Some of them are extremely useful because they allow you to customize the rig for your personal preferences (like the AGC slope) and others because they are related to integration with other station equipment or your environment (like the high and low gain settings for the mic and speaker/phones amplifiers). If everything that could be adjustable was, you'd have a huge menu, people would find it confusing and hard to use, and they would set things wrong and forget what they changed and how to reset it. It would not be a better radio, it would be a worse radio. One of the decisions out of the thousands that Wayne had to make was to choose a reasonable set of configurable parameters. Everybody might not agree with the set that he chose, but then everybody isn't happy with the size of the K3, or the available options, etc. In the case of the AGC, he removed some things that were there before, so you might feel that you had lost something. Actually -- I hope I don't get into trouble for saying this -- there were a lot of things on the early field test units that went away as the firmware was developed. Some were there for the development team to tweak, some turned out not to be useful, some could seriously compromise performance, etc. The AGC attack parameter is a particularly good example. It was originally made adjustable so that the owner could find a compromise between fast AGC action and immunity to noise spikes that might inappropriately trigger the AGC. But when they came up with the AGC Pulse function, it was unnecessary. All it could do is make the AGC perform worse. What Wayne did was make about twenty zillion interrelated choices, each one of which affected performance, usability, cost, sex appeal, and many other things. He made what I think is a radio with an excellent balance of all of these things. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB TX BP Adjust
.. 8 Band... :-) --- Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Our 8 and TX EQ will allow you to do exactly this. 73, Eric WA6HHQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB TX BP Adjust
Our 8 and TX EQ will allow you to do exactly this. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- Ray Kiesel wrote: Would like to know if the adjustable transmit DSP bandpass is on the short list for inclusion in the menu. (Maybe I missed it in the manual?) I plan to use a narrow tx bandpass (400Hz to 2.6kHz) to have maximum power concentrated where many receivers have their effective receive passband. I'll most likely get a lot of time using the processor too. Compromise antennas and low power from my location call for these operating parameters to be engaged. It would also be good to go with a narrower passband when operating on 60M to stay well within the occupied bandwidth limits assigned to that band here in the U.S. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] FW: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
This thread is a great example of Elecraft excellence. The changes in user-adjustable AGC parameters were a result of the company remaining open to feature details while they got customer feedback, primarily through field test. Now that production units are shipping, a larger number of customers can give specific feedback and they will be heard. If there is good rationale for additional AGC parameters, such as those described in the FAQs but subsequently removed, then Elecraft will be all ears. Simply arguing that the product has a few differences from the FAQs is not useful, because any changes were very seriously considered and based on a lot of testing and discussion between the field testers and the Elecraft team. The only reason for changes is that customer interaction and usage of the product led to enhanced conclusions. What is very helpful is specific rationale such as Don outlined today about what he wants in AGC control and why. If warranted, the AGC control parameters will be improved further. Don't be surprised if you find other details different between the current radio and the past FAQs. And don't be surprised if future firmware versions continue to change and enhance the radio. And, particularly don't be surprised when you give good sound feedback with specific use scenarios and the product improves further in the future. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Oct 13 - Nov 11, 2007
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
N6KR: >2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing, except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once it became clear that there was such a small range in use by our testers. Just to reinforce what Wayne said, I used an Orion for about 4 years. It probably has the most adjustable AGC of any rig on the market, with Threshold, Decay and Hang separately adjustable over a wide range. After some initial user problems, Ten-Tec integrated Threshold with the Gain control which effectively made a separate Threshold AGC adjustment redundant. Decay (e.g. separately adjustable "Fast", "Medium" or "Slow") was also not really necessary beyond a couple of settings. Hang was the only parameter I used much and that was mainly to defeat Orion's Flat AGC response on weak signals near the noise floor (I would set Hang very high to effectively defeat the AGC). With the variable AGC SLP setting, I suspect that the need for a separate Hang control is unnecessary. Just a comment on the widely publicized DSP "AGC problem" Rob Sherwood gave in a 2007 Dayton paper (below). I've listened to his recordings and my Orion **never** had any AGC recovery problems like that even though I operate 160m a lot where there is plenty of impulse (lightning) QRN. In his recording, it sounds like the RX desenses for a long time following an impulse. If my Orion had done that, it would have been sold in a heartbeat! To my ears, it sounded like someone who did not know how to adjust a rig in high QRN, i.e. like you were using Slow AGC with a long Hang time and then wondering why the RX desensed. I know Rob knows better and I'm sure the rig mentioned (IC-7000 specifically) does have that problem, but my Orion definitely did not. Given that Elecraft says they have addressed this problem in the K3, I am going to take them at their word until I hear otherwise on my K3. http://www.sherweng.com/documents/Dayton2007w.pdf (On slide #8 click on the speaker at the bottom to hear the sound clip) Bottom line: I'm not too conceerned about AGC issues as long as both Sloped AGC and the Impulse issues are implemented. I would be curious to know how the AGC "Off" is implemented however, since the Analog AGC can never be truly turned off due to the need to protect the DSP's ADC from overload. In Orion, "AGC Off" was emulated by a very high Decay setting with zero Hang. I suspect the same is true in the K3. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Mono v. Stereo Headphones?
I was cleaning out my parents home the other day and ran across my father's Telex HTW-2A twinset headphones. He was a Pan American Captain flying 727s and 707s at the end of his career. The twinset was the favorite headset because it had good audio and was comfortable for long hauls. But it is a mono headset. I have been using it for CW qsos and it is quite comfortable and seems to work well. However, is there an advantage to using stereo phones for cw work (or for ssb, which I do rarely), assuming you are piping the audio from a single receiver? Howard, W1WF * This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and may be protected by privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or email, and permanently delete all copies, electronic or other, you may have. To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. The foregoing applies even if this notice is embedded in a message that is forwarded or attached. * ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Wayne, I read your reply to this thread with great consideration. I think your observation that most field testers did not adjust the AGC parameters is a good one. However, I think that that K3--and the Elecraft product line in general--particularly appeals to people who value amateur experimentation. Perhaps the solution is to enable the AGC customization feature, and simply state explicitly in the instructions with a large caveat and explanation the fact that most people do not change the setting, and most of those who do, do so to their detriment. That statistic speaks for itself. Those who are so inclined can proceed at their own risk. I, for one, would not plan on tweaking the feature. But for someone who, after all, is planning on assembling his own K3, it's nice to know the option is there :) Adam, N1KO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Any K3s this weekend
OK, if any of you first run goobers get your K3's this weekend, us late birds expect a lot of input from you. hihi ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] PL-259 modification pix posted (Thanks WE0H!)
Everyone who sent me e-mail, Many thanks for the interest! Mike WE0H posted it on his website. Someone asked if a triangle file would work. NO. Use a common chainsaw file for a regular "consumer" type chainsaw chain. You can get them at hardware stores, sears, and probably WalMart. here's the link: http://www.we0h.us/tmp/PL-259-Modification.jpg 73 to all! Sandy W5TVW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 SSB TX BP Adjust
Would like to know if the adjustable transmit DSP bandpass is on the short list for inclusion in the menu. (Maybe I missed it in the manual?) I plan to use a narrow tx bandpass (400Hz to 2.6kHz) to have maximum power concentrated where many receivers have their effective receive passband. I'll most likely get a lot of time using the processor too. Compromise antennas and low power from my location call for these operating parameters to be engaged. It would also be good to go with a narrower passband when operating on 60M to stay well within the occupied bandwidth limits assigned to that band here in the U.S. Thanks. Ray Kiesel K3RIZ P.S. VERY nice operating manual! Great job! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
I can understand where Wayne is coming from- bad eHam reviews are sure to follow if people who don't know how to use these controls are given access to them. Scott, N9AA wayne burdick wrote: Don, It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to whether it's a good idea. I'm open to discussion. Perhaps we could put them back in along with cautions in the manual. Please send me a description of how you would use the controls, i.e. the qualitative effects you have in mind or specific decay values you've used before, etc. I'd like to evaluate how your needs differ from the nominal settings already present. Here's my reasoning for removing some of the controls: 1. Months of field testing revealed that our testers -- despite a wide variety of operating styles -- barely ever changed any of the settings except flatness and hold (hang) time. 2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing, except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once it became clear that there was such a small range in use by our testers. 3. Some settings can compromise the performance not just of AGC, but that of other functions, as well (e.g., DSP noise blanking and AGC pulse detection/removal). 73, Wayne N6KR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 - keying an amp
If a radio has proper Key-Out before RF sequencing, like the K3 and K2 do, this is NOT necessary. We have no problem running with relay based amplifiers, including those with large, slow relays, like the SB-220 etc. A few radios out there have a TX loop feature, but most others do not. Its not needed with the K3. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Doh.the FAQ says "The variable delay is a feature that will be available after initial shipment." Still wondering about the TXInhibit feature though and whether (A) it's a normal feature of most transceivers and (B) is it a useful feature for modern amps like the Acom when wishing to operate CW/ full QSK? 73, Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Hi Wayne, As -always- thanks so much for listening. This is not a trivial issue for me, it's the "glue" that brings all the other aspects of the transceiver into line. Here's the list in priority order, what I'm looking for in a flexible AGC: 1. Slope - I want S9 CW signals to sound stronger than S2 signals (more AF) when using a speaker, filling the room with signal. When using headphones I'd like to dial it so the signals are at the same level. This setting was not changed. 8-) 2. Threshold - this is possibly somewhat redundant with SLOPE, but I'd like the AGC for CW to behave as if it's in the OFF position until (example) S5, then to become active. The threshold would change appreciably by band and noise level. 3. Decay - this is more for phone modes, especially AM. I'd like an S9 AM carrier when unkeyed to slowly decay to the squelch at the rate that I choose. CW would be the fastest decay. 4. Hold - (Hang AGC?) I guess this is Ten Tec emulation mode. ;-) I don't have much use for this, but would use it for phone modes occasionally. I'd rely on DECAY the majority of the time. 5. Attack - this one, well really isn't that critical either for my operation, if THRESHOLD is available, but some others may have modes where this would be beneficial. In the past I have been amazed at what sounded "good" with some of my friends. IC756Pro in Full NR for example does not even sound human to me but some others hate band noise so much it makes sense to them. So as long as there is a defaults reset, I lean towards customization. Those of us that have fiddled with hardware AGC circuits realize the large practical benefits in being able to shape it. C U Don Don Rasmussen wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based on being able to > adjust these (5) things. Don, It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to whether it's a good idea. I'm open to discussion. Perhaps we could put them back in along with cautions in the manual. Please send me a description of how you would use the controls, i.e. the qualitative effects you have in mind or specific decay values you've used before, etc. I'd like to evaluate how your needs differ from the nominal settings already present. Here's my reasoning for removing some of the controls: 1. Months of field testing revealed that our testers -- despite a wide variety of operating styles -- barely ever changed any of the settings except flatness and hold (hang) time. 2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing, except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once it became clear that there was such a small range in use by our testers. 3. Some settings can compromise the performance not just of AGC, but that of other functions, as well (e.g., DSP noise blanking and AGC pulse detection/removal). 73, Wayne N6KR --- wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don Rasmussen wrote: > > > I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 > based on being able to > > adjust these (5) things. > > Don, > > It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons > given below. It's > trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to > whether it's a good > idea. I'm open to discussion. Perhaps we could put > them back in along > with cautions in the manual. > > Please send me a description of how you would use > the controls, i.e. > the qualitative effects you have in mind or specific > decay values > you've used before, etc. I'd like to evaluate how > your needs differ > from the nominal settings already present. > > Here's my reasoning for removing some of the > controls: > > 1. Months of field testing revealed that our testers > -- despite a wide > variety of operating styles -- barely ever changed > any of the settings > except flatness and hold (hang) time. > > 2. Some combinations of settings can end up being > very confusing, > except for the advanced and/or experimentally > inclined operator who can > recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly > played out on some > of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such > difficulties once > it became clear that there was such a small range in > use by our > testers. > > 3. Some settings can compromise the performance not > just of AGC, but > that of other functions, as well (e.g., DSP noise > blanking and AGC > pulse detection/removal). > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > --- > > http://www.elecraft.com > > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraf
[Elecraft] Re: K3 - keying an amp
"Still wondering about the TXInhibit feature though and whether (A) it's a normal feature of most transceivers and (B) is it a useful feature for modern amps like the Acom when wishing to operate CW/ full QSK? 73, Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF" This is a useful feature if your transceiver's RF output power is available before the amplifier relay finishes switching. This is more of an issue with non-QSK amplifiers rather than with QSK amplifiers, since non-QSK amps tend to use large power relays with relatively long (15-20ms) switching times. As an example, I currently have a Yaesu MKV (which will be replaced with a K3!!) that has a 0-30ms adjustable "amp enable to RF power output" delay. The default delay is 5ms. I recently modified my ALS-600 amp for QSK using high speed signal relays which switch in about 3ms. So the amp is on-line before the RF is available, and so there is no problem hot-switching the MKV. I have also used my MKV with both an EXPERT 1K-FA and a THP HL-1.5KFX amplifier - and both of these amplifiers are QSK amps. However, the 5ms delay of the MKV is faster than the relays in either of those two amplifiers. So I could have connected up the TX-INH input to the MKV to ensure that the MKV can't put out RF power until the amp says it is OK to do so (the EXPERT has this output, but I don't remember if the THP does). BUT - rather than do this I just set the MKV delay for 10ms. I see that the TS-480 and TS-2000 have minimum delay specs of 10ms. The TS-2000, OMNI VII and ORION all have 15ms minimum delay times. I measured the "HSEND to RF output" delay time on an IC-7000 and IC-706MKIIG (ICOM doesn't have this delay spec'd) and found the delay to be 10ms and 13ms repectively. Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: Could you put in a config menu item that turns on/off the possibility of changing them, so default state is off and it uses your settings Wayne. There are various possibilities for the user interface, David; this is one of them. But first I'd like to consult with Don and others who wish to vary these parameters more than I do :) tnx Wayne N6KR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
To stick my 2p worth in here and not that I'm knowledgeable about this or want to change them, but ... Could you put in a config menu item that turns on/off the possibility of changing them, so default state is off and it uses your settings Wayne. If the state is changed to on, another 4 menu items (or whatever) become active and start with the default state until someone changes them. From that point, when this menu item is on, it uses the setting from the operator, when off it uses default settings, but remembers the setting applied by the op and goes back to them if the menu item is turned on again? On 11/10/07 23:39, "wayne burdick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > Don Rasmussen wrote: > >> I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based on being able to >> adjust these (5) things. > > Don, > > It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's > trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to whether it's a good > idea. I'm open to discussion. Perhaps we could put them back in along > with cautions in the manual. > > Please send me a description of how you would use the controls, i.e. > the qualitative effects you have in mind or specific decay values > you've used before, etc. I'd like to evaluate how your needs differ > from the nominal settings already present. > > Here's my reasoning for removing some of the controls: > > 1. Months of field testing revealed that our testers -- despite a wide > variety of operating styles -- barely ever changed any of the settings > except flatness and hold (hang) time. > > 2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing, > except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can > recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some > of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once > it became clear that there was such a small range in use by our > testers. > > 3. Some settings can compromise the performance not just of AGC, but > that of other functions, as well (e.g., DSP noise blanking and AGC > pulse detection/removal). > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR -- If all our misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart. -Socrates (469?-399 B.C.) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Don Rasmussen wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based on being able to adjust these (5) things. Don, It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to whether it's a good idea. I'm open to discussion. Perhaps we could put them back in along with cautions in the manual. Please send me a description of how you would use the controls, i.e. the qualitative effects you have in mind or specific decay values you've used before, etc. I'd like to evaluate how your needs differ from the nominal settings already present. Here's my reasoning for removing some of the controls: 1. Months of field testing revealed that our testers -- despite a wide variety of operating styles -- barely ever changed any of the settings except flatness and hold (hang) time. 2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing, except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once it became clear that there was such a small range in use by our testers. 3. Some settings can compromise the performance not just of AGC, but that of other functions, as well (e.g., DSP noise blanking and AGC pulse detection/removal). 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] ACC Connector
Both the ACC and RS-232 K3 connectors are sockets (holes). 73, Eric Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Is the K3 rear panel mounted ACC connector a socket (holes) or a plug (pins). Is the corresponding mating connector provided as part of the kit? Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] ACC Connector
G'day, Is the K3 rear panel mounted ACC connector a socket (holes) or a plug (pins). Is the corresponding mating connector provided as part of the kit? Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Hi Greg and the List, Thanks for your comment. But... AGC parameter control is a major issue for some of us. It represents a major deviation form what was discussed initially in the FAQ's. I'm sure its lack discussion in light of the change and the million things going on was an oversight but I also wish it had been communicated or mentioned briefly earlier. It really needs a clarifying comment from the mother ship right now IMO. Regards and 73 de N1LQ-Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 - keying an amp
Stewart Rolfe wrote: (without reading the FAQ) ...and also was wondering if there is a variable delay function to adjust the timing between Key Out switching the amp and the K3 squirting out RF? 73, Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF Doh.the FAQ says "The variable delay is a feature that will be available after initial shipment." Still wondering about the TXInhibit feature though and whether (A) it's a normal feature of most transceivers and (B) is it a useful feature for modern amps like the Acom when wishing to operate CW/ full QSK? 73, Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] test
Not rec any postings since 10/9. Checkd with my ISP and they say problem is with QTH.net Phil ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
When Wayne decided to remove these menu items he also mentioned that if there was a need he could put them back. None of the field testers seemed to have missed them however. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 On Thu Oct 11 16:49 , Don Rasmussen sent: >I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based >on being able to adjust these (5) things. Even if they >can be "optimized", I WANT to be able to set these for >my preference as advertised. > >Attack - Hold - Decay - Threshold - Slope. > >All of these have meaning to me. > >If any of these are not really available or do not >work as advertised I'll be majorly bummed. > > >[Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters >Vic K2VCO vic at rakefet.com >Thu Oct 11 14:32:33 EDT 2007 > >Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment >Parameters >Next message: [Elecraft] Soldering stations >Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >author ] > > > >dhhdeh at comcast.net wrote: > >> But I need some enlightenment. In reading the FAQ's >concerning the >> AGC parameters of the K3, I found the following >discussion: > >> "Are the settings variable in terms of attack, hang, >and decay? In >> the menu, you can set the following parameters for >AGC: Attack time, >> Hold (Hang) time, Decay rate (in dB/sec for Fast >and Slow), >> Threshold, and Slope. Slope sets the compression you >get from AGC, >> whether you like everything above the threshold to >be flat (S4 and 40 >> over S9 are the same level) or some sort of slope >(2:1, 10:1 >> whatever) so stronger signals are somewhat louder." > >> In the User Manual under the program menus on page >50, I only see >> adjustable AGC paramenters for Hold, Pulse and >Slope. Nothing on >> adjusting the 'attack time', 'decay rate' or >'threshold'. > >> Did I miss something elsewhere in the manual or am I >misinterpreting >> something? > >The other parameters were there in early beta versions >of the firmware, >but were removed for production. I believe (but you >will have to get >this from the horse's mouth) that it was found >possible to optimize >these settings, so they didn't need to be adjustable. > >I know, for example, that the attack time was >originally adjustable so >that you could set it to ignore short noise pulses. >But since then, the >AGC Pulse function was implemented to deal with this, >and so the attack >can be as short as possible for best performance. >-- >73, >Vic, K2VCO >Fresno CA >http://www.qsl.net/k2vco > > >___ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] PL-259 modification
Another "take" on W5TVW's "soldering PL-259's" item... If the four solder holes are reamed out with a taper reamer until the tool (reamer) comes into contact with the sides of the u-shaped area there will be room for the tip of a soldering iron to make contact with BOTH the connector AND the braid. Backing up a step ... the braid should first be lightly tinned and then cut off flush with a small tubing cutter. A bottle of alchol to dip the coax and/or the connector into immediately after soldering cools things off quickly and saves melting and deformation. I use a spray bottle for the alchol, actually. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based on being able to adjust these (5) things. Even if they can be "optimized", I WANT to be able to set these for my preference as advertised. Attack - Hold - Decay - Threshold - Slope. All of these have meaning to me. If any of these are not really available or do not work as advertised I'll be majorly bummed. [Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters Vic K2VCO vic at rakefet.com Thu Oct 11 14:32:33 EDT 2007 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters Next message: [Elecraft] Soldering stations Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] dhhdeh at comcast.net wrote: > But I need some enlightenment. In reading the FAQ's concerning the > AGC parameters of the K3, I found the following discussion: > "Are the settings variable in terms of attack, hang, and decay? In > the menu, you can set the following parameters for AGC: Attack time, > Hold (Hang) time, Decay rate (in dB/sec for Fast and Slow), > Threshold, and Slope. Slope sets the compression you get from AGC, > whether you like everything above the threshold to be flat (S4 and 40 > over S9 are the same level) or some sort of slope (2:1, 10:1 > whatever) so stronger signals are somewhat louder." > In the User Manual under the program menus on page 50, I only see > adjustable AGC paramenters for Hold, Pulse and Slope. Nothing on > adjusting the 'attack time', 'decay rate' or 'threshold'. > Did I miss something elsewhere in the manual or am I misinterpreting > something? The other parameters were there in early beta versions of the firmware, but were removed for production. I believe (but you will have to get this from the horse's mouth) that it was found possible to optimize these settings, so they didn't need to be adjustable. I know, for example, that the attack time was originally adjustable so that you could set it to ignore short noise pulses. But since then, the AGC Pulse function was implemented to deal with this, and so the attack can be as short as possible for best performance. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] PL-259 modification
Hello All, There was a thread about soldering PL-259 connectors. I usually do a modification to all mine by taking a 5/32" chainsaw file and filing grooves in two of the solder holes for the braid on opposite sides of the connector barrel. It makes soldering the braid M UCH easier and neater! Solder flows better too. The notch bottom is even with the inner edge of the existing holes. Those interested please e-mail me and I will send a photograph. Maybe someone can post this on someone's website if you think it will be helpful. 73, Sandy W5TVW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - keying an amp
Hi All,
Just acquired my very first amp (Acom 1K) and intend hanging it off the
back of my K3 in due course. According to my reading of the manual there
is just a Key-Out line for switching an amp but no input back from the
amp to inhibit the K3 tx until the amp is ready ('ground when ready', TX
Inhibit etc...)
So was wondering if I'd missed something here and also was wondering if
there is a variable delay function to adjust the timing between Key Out
switching the amp and the K3 squirting out RF? Using a FT990 at the
moment which has a TXInhibit function though apparently the timing even
then is a bit tight for some amps' relays. As I said, it's my first amp
so virtually no experience at interfacing these things and don't want
fireworks, bonfires or welded relays with a new amp *and* new K3...!
73,
Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
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[Elecraft] Soldering stations
It's Kit Building Season :-) This temeprature controlled soldering stations are for sale: Weller EC1002 soldering station (Refursbished). $65 plus shipping Weller WTCP soldering station (circa 1970-1976). $30 plus shipping Pace ST-25 (NEW, metal case verison). $125 plus shipping Revision 3 control boards for EC1002 stations and restoration/repair parts for Weller TCP series stations, and some other Weller models --- Inquire at w9gb at arrl dot net. Greg w9gb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, David Pratt wrote: I never use half-spaces in ES or DE but I do use di-dah-di-di-dah-dit for inverted commas and di-dah-dah-di-dah-dit for @ which I presume will be included in the K3 character set. Never understood half-spacesmaybe I just leanred how to do it w/o understanding...but I think es an de feel and sound different than those letters within a word. I guess I need to read the manual more to determine if I need to learn new code(or unlearn old code). 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I need some enlightenment. In reading the FAQ's concerning the AGC parameters of the K3, I found the following discussion: "Are the settings variable in terms of attack, hang, and decay? In the menu, you can set the following parameters for AGC: Attack time, Hold (Hang) time, Decay rate (in dB/sec for Fast and Slow), Threshold, and Slope. Slope sets the compression you get from AGC, whether you like everything above the threshold to be flat (S4 and 40 over S9 are the same level) or some sort of slope (2:1, 10:1 whatever) so stronger signals are somewhat louder." In the User Manual under the program menus on page 50, I only see adjustable AGC paramenters for Hold, Pulse and Slope. Nothing on adjusting the 'attack time', 'decay rate' or 'threshold'. Did I miss something elsewhere in the manual or am I misinterpreting something? The other parameters were there in early beta versions of the firmware, but were removed for production. I believe (but you will have to get this from the horse's mouth) that it was found possible to optimize these settings, so they didn't need to be adjustable. I know, for example, that the attack time was originally adjustable so that you could set it to ignore short noise pulses. But since then, the AGC Pulse function was implemented to deal with this, and so the attack can be as short as possible for best performance. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft][OT] re: printing new manuale: Elecraft Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Giancarlo Moda wrote: A CD is OK as a lirary back-up ... imagine yourself going to the the toilette with a PC to read how to tune the DDS maybe one day we will be forced to use a CD in that place too ... to save a tree that someone else will burn down so he can plant another one and make money... I know a few hams that are so into technology they have a telephone, tv and computer terminal in the bathroom. If I would have spent the time they do in there, my parents would have wondered all sorts of things. As far as being forced to use the cd nedia therewhen growing up in the primative country, where we still had outside privies, the phrase "Rough as a Cob" was well understood. Perhaps a CD in the bathroom is cutting technologyI'll pass, I'd rather kill a tree. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] KDVR3
Oh :-( Hadn't seen that - maybe I get an Xmas present under the tree Thanks (I think) On 11/10/07 18:10, "Bruce Beford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > > "Also, KVDR3 (sic) will not be available until Nov anyway." > > Latest shipping status update says mid-December for this option, same for > the KRX3 module. -- The high minded man must care more for the truth than for what people think. -Aristotle, philosopher (384-322 BCE) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] KDVR3
David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: "Also, KVDR3 (sic) will not be available until Nov anyway." Latest shipping status update says mid-December for this option, same for the KRX3 module. -Bruce, N1RX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?
In a recent message, Kevin Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ... International Morse code does not use certain half spaces like the American Morse code does. However there are still half spaces in well formed code in certain prowords such as DE and ES. If you send them without the half space they don't mean the same thing. I never use half-spaces in ES or DE but I do use di-dah-di-di-dah-dit for inverted commas and di-dah-dah-di-dah-dit for @ which I presume will be included in the K3 character set. -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AGC Adjustment Parameters
Hi Everyone, While only my second post to the reflector, I have read everything about the K3 here since last May. I have my K3 order in queue in the second run in November. First to Eric, Wayne and all at Elecraft, my hearty congratulations on the birthing of the K3 this week. If the User Manual is representative of the tranceiver, this is going to be one fine journey ahead for us all. But I need some enlightenment. In reading the FAQ's concerning the AGC parameters of the K3, I found the following discussion: "Are the settings variable in terms of attack, hang, and decay? In the menu, you can set the following parameters for AGC: Attack time, Hold (Hang) time, Decay rate (in dB/sec for Fast and Slow), Threshold, and Slope. Slope sets the compression you get from AGC, whether you like everything above the threshold to be flat (S4 and 40 over S9 are the same level) or some sort of slope (2:1, 10:1 whatever) so stronger signals are somewhat louder." In the User Manual under the program menus on page 50, I only see adjustable AGC paramenters for Hold, Pulse and Slope. Nothing on adjusting the 'attack time', 'decay rate' or 'threshold'. Did I miss something elsewhere in the manual or am I misinterpreting something? Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Now...Wayne and Eric, et. al. ...bring on that K3 panadaptor and especially that KPA800 Linear! 73 de N1LQ-Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manuale: Elecraft Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
Hi all, the question of giving a manual on a CD is generally supported by people producing the manual but not reading it. The phrase .. we do not like to cut trees... is usually an excuse we can use recycled paper. I am one of those tha still like to read a paper book anywhere when necessary ... at a doctyor while waiting the turn, in the train, in the plain, in bed, at the table, in the living room ... in the thinking room, alias the bathroom ... Apart the trouble in going around to find a printing service at a low cost ... in this side of the world ... a page from a photocopy service usually is around 10 cents of an euro, 15 US cents, a page .. front to retro is like two pages, although you have a single paper sheet... plus if you are copying a book there is a legislationto protect the copyright and you are charged an additional tax If Elecraft is going to sell 1000 K3, can print a manual in china, india, bangladesh fora couple of US$... now imagine those poor K3 owner having a 100s pages all loosen that after a few readingsa will get dameged broken and lost somewhere .. so new printing ... then you will have to make these in a configuration like a book ... Imagine ... 3000$ versus 1$ (if a cheap rpinting service will be found). A CD is OK as a lirary back-up ... imagine yourself going to the the toilette with a PC to read how to tune the DDS maybe one day we will be forced to use a CD in that place too ... to save a tree that someone else will burn down so he can plant another one and make money... 73 Gian I7SWX Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?
International Morse code does not use certain half spaces like the American Morse code does. However there are still half spaces in well formed code in certain prowords such as DE and ES. If you send them without the half space they don't mean the same thing. Therefore you can sense meaning from the spacing. Since that is the way it has been used and still is being used why should we change the protocol? Kevin. On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:02:01 -0700, Bob Cunnings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sure, but we're not using American Morse here - there's no "half step" in International Morse. Whatever - I'm the communications protocol design guy at work, and can't avoid a purist attitude about gateways (CW to ASCII in this case). I can see prosigns used as link control characters since they are distinct codes, but think that International Morse text, numeric, and punctuation characters should pass through untouched - why second guess the intention of the sender? Bob NW8L On 10/10/07, Kevin Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If I remember my history correctly ES was the American Morse method of sending an ampersand. Leigh was quite correct in mentioning this proword as using the half step much like DE uses. My favorite drift was the original HO HO to HEE HEE to HI HI. Much like the great vowel shift of Middle English which was still sliding while William Shakespeare was writing his plays and sonnets. Some of his rhymes no longer work in our English but they did then. My vote is to use the old methods and allow the ampersand its due. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual error
I found that too, but decided to wait until I have the rig before I asked questions that might be answered by having it in front of me. Also, KVDR3 will not be available until Nov anyway. On 11/10/07 17:21, "Ian J Maude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > Hi guys, > Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder... > > mentions both page 16 and 26. There is nothing on page 26 for this > topic that I can see and I am not sure why the page 16 reference when > you are on page 16 to begin with :-) > There is another mention of page 26 in the section below it too. > > Ian -- One can pay back the loan of gold, but one dies forever in debt to those who are kind. -Malayan Proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual error
Ian: At 11:21 10/11/2007, Ian J Maude wrote: Hi guys, Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder... mentions both page 16 and 26. There is nothing on page 26 for this topic that I can see and I am not sure why the page 16 reference when you are on page 16 to begin with :-) There is another mention of page 26 in the section below it too. That was undoubtedly an error on my part...! We were inserting the page references late(!) Tuesday evening and just as early Wednesday morning, and I caught myself inadvertently referring a couple pages back to themselves. I thought(!) I'd managed to catch and fix the errors, but it looks like I allowed one (but hopefully not more) slip in. I'm sure I'm also to blame for the errant page 26 reference as well, but I have NO CLUE why it's there. Will have to check to see if I can find where it SHOULD have referenced, if at all. THANKS for reporting these errors. We'll use them to clean things up once a bit more of the dust settles. Cheers, Tom HammondN0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] K3 Rcv Ant Question
I was talking to a friend on the phone tonight and he came up with a K3 question . How many dB of isolation are there between the main antenna ports and the RX antenna ports? I ask because on my current radio (an Omni VI), the noise floor when listening on my 'aux' antenna is raised when my transmit antenna is connected to the main antenna port. Of course, there are outboard devices and other mods to help this problem, but I wondered how well the K3 handles this without 'help'? 73HankK8DD -- --- If God intended you to be on single sideband, he would have given you only one nostril. - Steve, K2PTS (SK) --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Manual error
Hi guys, Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder... mentions both page 16 and 26. There is nothing on page 26 for this topic that I can see and I am not sure why the page 16 reference when you are on page 16 to begin with :-) There is another mention of page 26 in the section below it too. Ian -- Ian J Maude G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member of RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 | K3 #? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:47:18AM -0400, Thom LaCosta wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote: > > >On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire > >>cable, > > > >Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. > > I remember all sorts of cautions about NOT using a standard rs-232(serial) > cable with the K2... > > Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that > we can use a standard serial cable with the K3? I have used my K2 cable on my K3 - and it works FB. Just don't use a standard RS232 cable on a K2 - or you will have some smoke. :-( Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: RS-232 cable
I had a typo in the last part of my previous note. That should have been *K3*. Do *not* use a standard serial cable with the K2! Sorry, Don W3FPR Don Wilhelm wrote: So *if* only RXD and TXD with Signal Ground are needed for the application, yes, the K2 cable (computer end, not KAT100 or XV end) will work just fine, but why not pick up a standard serial cable and take advantage of the PTT/Keying circuits built into the *K2* - that will work with no external keying devices. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: RS-232 cable
JT and all, Pins 2 and 3 are not swapped on the K2 either. The problem is that the K2 used the nomenclature differently than the K3. The K2 used 'TXD' to denote the line *it* was sending on and 'RXD' to denote the line it was receiving on. The K3 apparently uses the opposite nomenclature and labels *its* data *output* line 'RXD (that is correct for a DCE device). Pin 2 is the data from the DTE (K2 or K3) to the DCE (PC) and is normally termed RXD. Pin 3 is data from the DCE (PC) to the terminal device (DTE) and is normally labeled TXD. This has been a source of confusion when working with DCE devices for as long as I can recall. So *if* only RXD and TXD with Signal Ground are needed for the application, yes, the K2 cable (computer end, not KAT100 or XV end) will work just fine, but why not pick up a standard serial cable and take advantage of the PTT/Keying circuits built into the K2 - that will work with no external keying devices. 73, Don W3FPR JT Croteau wrote: On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire cable, Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. On the K3, pin 2 is RXD and pin 3 is TXD On the K2, pin 2 is TXD and pin 3 is RXD Also, some K2 serial cables use additional pins for things like XV and KAT100 control. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: DIG 0
Ah. In the table on page 18 that pin is called FSK IN. Those of us who get lost following a signal around multi-page schematics would never have figured it out, though I suppose it would be a good guess from the description. But then I don't always understand what *is* explained clearly in the manual, so I try and avoid guessing. :) Thanks for the clarification. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, Greg - AB7R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DIG0-IN is pin 1 on the ACCY connection. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ssb on k3
Hi Larry: At 07:27 10/11/2007, Larry Maguire wrote: I've read many of the messages about the K3 so far. My interest is ssb only and its receive capabilities. To sum it all up: From the ones who have tested the rig in the field, how does the K3 do on ssb and taking out the qrm on 75 meters each evening? Is it advisable to get the 2.8, 2.1 and 1.0 roofing filters to have at least some "peace" when operating 75 meters at night? Like just about any other SSB radio, you can only do so much in this mode, especially on this band and at this time of day (err, night). The K3 has an excellent AUTO-NOTCH feature which will do a great job at notching out an interfering carrier. Regarding the roofing filters, I'd not go any more narrow than 1.8kHz (if one comes available), and even this is pretty narrow... I'd think that a 1.0 kHz filter for SSB would be out of the question. The available 2.1 kHz filter should do a good job while still permitting a moderate level of received audio quality, though the audio passband will be somewhat restricted. The K3s IF DSP will also help greatly is rolling off QRM above or below your operating frequency. Will it make 75M 'enjoyable'... probably not... but the only way to make 75M SSB enjoyable in the evenings is to go to 80M CW... 73, Tom HammondN0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: DIG 0
DIG0-IN is pin 1 on the ACCY connection. This is where you would connect your FSK keying line for direct FSK with the K3. This should also be the same line for direct keying of PSK if you decide to use that. I think most folks will use DATA-A for PSK when using a soundcard program. PSK-D is there primarily for direct sending using your CW paddles without the need of an external computer. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 On Thu Oct 11 8:55 , "Julian G4ILO" sent: >I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to "DIG 0" >which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using >search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this? > >I'm also interested in how this modulation is achieved. Years ago, I >operated RTTY with an FT-301 using a home made modem and direct >modulation. I wrote a program which sent and received 5-bit Baudot >code at 45.5 baud via the serial port. Is this what the K3 would need, >or can you send plain ASCII at a normal supported speed and the >firmware buffers it? > >If the modulation is really "direct" as stated, how would direct >modulation of PSK31 be achieved, or do I misunderstand this >capability? I'm not sure I will ever need this capability (the use of >KY commands via the CAT interface seems to me to be more useful) but >it looks interesting. Everything else is going to stop the moment my >K3 arrives, that's for certain. :) >-- >Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? >G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com >Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com >___ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
Yes, You can use a standard serial cable with the K3. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 On Thu Oct 11 8:47 , Thom LaCosta sent: >On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote: > >> On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire >>> cable, >> >> Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. > >I remember all sorts of cautions about NOT using a standard rs-232(serial) >cable >with the K2... > >Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that we >can use a standard serial cable with the K3? > >73-thom-k3hrn >Blessed be standards, as they shall change with time. > >www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon >www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month >___ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Milestone Technologies
Andy I did a quick Google and found the company is just one state south of me (I'm in Wyoming) and gave them a phone call this morning and talked to Nancy. She was surprised to hear you were being blanked...but given the vagaries of the web, who knows. I gave her your direct email address and she was going to try and make contact. But, to pass along their info... Milestone Technologies/Morse Express http://www.mtechnologies.com/index.html contact info is: Milestone Techologies, Inc. Morse Express / OHR / AMECO 10691 E. Bethany Dr., Suite 800 Aurora, CO 80014 USA Telephone (303) 752-3382, Orders (800) 238-8205 Fax 303-745-6792 Additionally, she told me that books of course are heavier than magazines, etc...but 4 pounds (lbs) at the Priority Rate International runs about $40.00 (US) and there is a$2-3 dollar handling cost added on as well. Hope that helps David King KE7EKA Andy - GM0NWI wrote: Guy's.. Anyone on the list know if Marshall Emm @ Milestone Technologies is still around..? I have been trying to find out how much a few of his stocked publications would be in total ...to be delivered To Scotland... I've sent a few e-mails thru his website e-mail client, and also through my own to no avail to date.. Anyone help..? 72's 73's[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy GM0NWI Elecraft K2 "Fully Loaded" QRP S/n 01432 Elecraft K2 "Fully Loaded" QRO S/n 05469 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 09/10/2007 16:43 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS-232 cable
hehe.. I expect we'll see quite a bit of flogging over the next few months. :-> I found the manual to be very well done. It is well written, coherent and very easy to understand. Everything makes sense. Kudos to those that worked on it. I can't believe people are whining about the serial cable. Come on guys.. Wouldn't you rather use a standard serial cable than to have to make a custom one yourself (like the K2) ? Congrats, Wayne and Eric, et al.. Can't wait to play with mine.. David, W4SMT In on the first batch "Joe, aa4nn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The K3 Manual has been flogged. The RS232 cable has been whipped. What's next, fellers? de Joe, aa4nn ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: You're right. It's a lot to take in. I read that paragraph the first time round but it didn't sink in that it was referring to the PTT and key lines, not the serial data. It's not enough just to RTFM, you also have to U(nderstand)TFM. Getting old, I guess. :( It's good that Elecraft is supplying a printed manual since SOODBWP (Some Old Operators Do Better With Print) 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
You're right. It's a lot to take in. I read that paragraph the first time round but it didn't sink in that it was referring to the PTT and key lines, not the serial data. It's not enough just to RTFM, you also have to U(nderstand)TFM. Getting old, I guess. :( -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, Ed Muns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The downside being that ready made cables usually have > > molded-on plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside. > > No, there is no need for a "keying circuit" or level shifter with the K3. > It is RS232 levels on both the computer and K3 ends. Furthermore, the > CONFIG menu lets you choose which pins (RS232 signals) are used for CW > keying and/or PTT. > > 73, > Ed - W0YK > > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual Question [END of thread]
Let's end this thread for now. We are shipping printed manuals in the box with every K3. 73, Eric WA6HHQ -- Julian G4ILO wrote: I don't agree. Printing it yourself for most people would take a long time, cost more than a mass-reproduced manual, use twice as much paper (most hams don't have office-type printers that will print on both sides) and not be bound. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Ham Radio Deluxe & K3
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: To avoid the questions I am receiving by email, here's the Ham Radio Deluxe and K3 support status. The programming information is not yet published but will be similar to the K2 / Kenwood which makes life easy for me. As soon as I get my first wave K3 I'll screw it together and get on with the HRD support, programming will take just a few hours initially but I will then spend a week or two extending HRD to add support for the new K3 features. For what it's worth, HRD now seems to work with the K3 when "K2" is specified as the radio type. I say "seems" because I didn't try more than the most basic features. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Put [K3] etc. on all product specific subject lines
Folks, On ALL postings that refer to a specific radio or product, please include [K3], [K2], [KX1], [XV] as the first item on your subject line. This will really help everyone sort through the list email. Thanks! 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator and company bottle washer.. ;-) -- _..._ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, Thom LaCosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And for those that care to discuss things without treading of the toes of > varios > folks...there's a venue at www.zerobeat.net/smf/ Thom is so 31337. :-D -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS-232 cable
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Joe, aa4nn wrote: The K3 Manual has been flogged. The RS232 cable has been whipped. What's next, fellers? Asking about the next flogging, of course. And for those that care to discuss things without treading of the toes of varios folks...there's a venue at www.zerobeat.net/smf/ Of course it's not luddite in nature, so your email box won't get filled up 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
> The downside being that ready made cables usually have > molded-on plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside. No, there is no need for a "keying circuit" or level shifter with the K3. It is RS232 levels on both the computer and K3 ends. Furthermore, the CONFIG menu lets you choose which pins (RS232 signals) are used for CW keying and/or PTT. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You don't need to. The K3 is wired for DTS and RTS keying, see page > 18 of the web manual: I should have said DTR not DTS, my bad. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?
Thank you. And to mention the concerns of others, I agree this would be a good idea only if it can be enabled/disabled or if it can be reliably distinguished from the letter sequence "es" via the half space. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 9:53 pm, wayne burdick wrote: On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: On p.31, the K3 manual says that the CW abbreviation ES isn't used in data modes and might lead to confusion. Why not recognize it in CW-to-Data and send an ampersand? We'll put this on the wish list, Leigh. Good idea. 73, Wayne N6KR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The downside being that ready made cables usually have molded-on > plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside. You don't need to. The K3 is wired for DTS and RTS keying, see page 18 of the web manual: "PTT and Keying: The DTR and RTS signals are not used as RS232 hardware handshaking lines. Instead, the K3 can be configured to use either of these signals as PTT IN or KEY IN via the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu entry. No external level translation is required, since these are RS232- compatible inputs. The default for both signals is inactive (unused). Refer to your software documentation to see if PTT or keying via RS232 lines is available." -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: DIG 0
> I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to "DIG 0" > which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using > search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this? In FSK mode, this input is the FSK keying line from your FSK TNC or FSK computer software, e.g. MMTTY. In the future, it will be the keying line for other digital modes. > I'm also interested in how this modulation is achieved. Years > ago, I operated RTTY with an FT-301 using a home made modem > and direct modulation. I wrote a program which sent and > received 5-bit Baudot code at 45.5 baud via the serial port. > Is this what the K3 would need, or can you send plain ASCII > at a normal supported speed and the firmware buffers it? Yes, your hardware TNC or software program needs to send the Baudot encoded "on-off" transitions where Mark = high or open and Space = closer to ground. There is a FSK POL menu entry in the K3 to reverse this logic if necessary for your external keying hardware/software. Alternatively, you can use a terminal program, or other software, to send ASCII to the RS232 connector for FSK and other digital modes. > If the modulation is really "direct" as stated, how would > direct modulation of PSK31 be achieved, or do I misunderstand > this capability? Same way ... your external hardware or software would need to provide the PSK-encoded "on-off" transitions. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RS-232 cable
The K3 Manual has been flogged. The RS232 cable has been whipped. What's next, fellers? de Joe, aa4nn ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
The downside being that ready made cables usually have molded-on plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, Ed Muns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable > > for the k3, that we can use a standard serial cable with the K3? > > Yes, a standard serial cable available at any computer outlet. "Standard", > not "Null Modem". > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
> Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable > for the k3, that we can use a standard serial cable with the K3? Yes, a standard serial cable available at any computer outlet. "Standard", not "Null Modem". 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
Personally I'd call that a major difference, too. Not as major as blowing the radio up, granted, but major enough for me to think something was wrong other than the pins were the other way round. Somehow I never imagined Elecraft would create incompatible interfaces for its two radios. Anyway, thanks for the answer. All I have to do now is remember it when the K3 actually gets here and I try connecting it to the computer. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, Mark Bayern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Big difference. Send Data and Receive Data on the K3 are opposite > > that of the K2. > > Big difference? I said 'no _major_ difference'. Crossing pins 2&3 > will not destroy anything. Since the beginning of time ... well ... at ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
> Big difference. Send Data and Receive Data on the K3 are opposite > that of the K2. Big difference? I said 'no _major_ difference'. Crossing pins 2&3 will not destroy anything. Since the beginning of time ... well ... at least since the beginning of DTE and DCE RS-232 devices, pins 2&3 have been a problem. Using the wrong cable on a K2 will destroy things. We gotta keep the priorities straight. 1--Don't let the smoke out of the chips. 2--Make it work. Mark AD5SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: DIG 0
It's on the schematics as DIG0 Julian G4ILO wrote: I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to "DIG 0" which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this? I'm also interested in how this modulation is achieved. Years ago, I operated RTTY with an FT-301 using a home made modem and direct modulation. I wrote a program which sent and received 5-bit Baudot code at 45.5 baud via the serial port. Is this what the K3 would need, or can you send plain ASCII at a normal supported speed and the firmware buffers it? If the modulation is really "direct" as stated, how would direct modulation of PSK31 be achieved, or do I misunderstand this capability? I'm not sure I will ever need this capability (the use of KY commands via the CAT interface seems to me to be more useful) but it looks interesting. Everything else is going to stop the moment my K3 arrives, that's for certain. :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote: On 10/11/07, Thom LaCosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that we can use a standard serial cable with the K3? ThanksI guess I better find my old, huge and obnoxiously colored RTFM Sign and put it back up on the wall. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] printing new manual
A complete manual comes with the K3. After orientation and familiarization with the rig, it seems to me only a few pages would be needed for reference, like pages 49-53 and maybe 5-6. No big deal to print 7 pages. GL to all. de Joe, aa4nn (2nd run factory asmby) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, Thom LaCosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that we > can use a standard serial cable with the K3? Yes, as long as it is a straight through cable. From the manual: "A straight-through, 9-pin RS232 cable is required between the K3 and the computer's RS232 port or USB-to-RS232 adapter. Use a high-quality, fully shielded cable." (Page 18, Web version of K3 manual) -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: DIG 0
I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to "DIG 0" which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this? I'm also interested in how this modulation is achieved. Years ago, I operated RTTY with an FT-301 using a home made modem and direct modulation. I wrote a program which sent and received 5-bit Baudot code at 45.5 baud via the serial port. Is this what the K3 would need, or can you send plain ASCII at a normal supported speed and the firmware buffers it? If the modulation is really "direct" as stated, how would direct modulation of PSK31 be achieved, or do I misunderstand this capability? I'm not sure I will ever need this capability (the use of KY commands via the CAT interface seems to me to be more useful) but it looks interesting. Everything else is going to stop the moment my K3 arrives, that's for certain. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote: On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire cable, Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. I remember all sorts of cautions about NOT using a standard rs-232(serial) cable with the K2... Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that we can use a standard serial cable with the K3? 73-thom-k3hrn Blessed be standards, as they shall change with time. www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
Ah. I never realised that the pins were reversed. What a pity you can't just swap the cable between radios. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. > > On the K3, pin 2 is RXD and pin 3 is TXD > On the K2, pin 2 is TXD and pin 3 is RXD > > Also, some K2 serial cables use additional pins for things like XV and > KAT100 control. > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, Mark Bayern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your K2 cable had only three wires, signal ground, send data and > receive data, there is no _major_ difference. Big difference. Send Data and Receive Data on the K3 are opposite that of the K2. (According to the K3 web manual) -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
>>"As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire cable, ... What is the point that I am missing? If your K2 cable had only three wires, signal ground, send data and receive data, there is no _major_ difference. Just the 'normal' pin 2/3 confusion. Some K2 cables include the auxbus signals that are used for the KAT100 and (I guess) the XV series. Mark AD5SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] ssb on k3
I've read many of the messages about the K3 so far. My interest is ssb only and its receive capabilities. To sum it all up: From the ones who have tested the rig in the field, how does the K3 do on ssb and taking out the qrm on 75 meters each evening? Is it advisable to get the 2.8, 2.1 and 1.0 roofing filters to have at least some "peace" when operating 75 meters at night? Many thanks and 73's Larry WD4MBE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire > cable, Yes, but the K3 is wired differently. On the K3, pin 2 is RXD and pin 3 is TXD On the K2, pin 2 is TXD and pin 3 is RXD Also, some K2 serial cables use additional pins for things like XV and KAT100 control. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: RS-232 cable
The manual says: "Do not use a cable wired for use with an Elecraft K2 or K2/100 transceiver or accessories. They may be wired differently." As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire cable, to which I added a transistor switch driven by DTR or RTS (can't remember which) for CW keying. Even with this addition, I can't see why I couldn't use it with the K3. What is the point that I am missing? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual Question
In a message dated 10/11/07 4:20:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > (most hams don't have office-type printers that will print on both > sides) I don't know any printer that won't print on both sides. Of course it may take two passes through the printer, but that's why the printing dialog box allows you to select only the even-numbered pages or only the odd numbered pages. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
The assembly manual is not part of the operating manual, its a separate manual. If you mean omitting the Theory Of Operation, then just don't print all the pages? On 11/10/07 10:22, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double > sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is > "booklet printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened > version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking > of omitting assembly stuff for instance. > -- When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us. -Alexander Graham Bell, inventor (1847-1922) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
Hi David:
Adobe Reader (Don't know about other PDF readers) has a print scaling
option to "Fit to Printable Area" which is determined by whatever size
paper you have selected. So I guess the answer to your question is
"yes," it is possible.
73, Ken K3IU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double sided from the
same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is "booklet
printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened version giving
only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking of omitting assembly
stuff for instance.
David
G3UNA
From: Dan KB6NU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2007/10/10 Wed PM 08:20:38 BST
To: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.
73!
Dan KB6NU
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On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:
When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
---
I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
alternative to local printing?
tnx,
72/73 Ken N9VV
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Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
Hi David:
Adobe Reader (Don't know about other PDF readers) has a print scaling
option to "Fit to Printable Area" which is determined by whatever size
paper you have selected. So I guess the answer to your question is
"yes," it is possible.
73, Ken K3IU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double sided from the
same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is "booklet
printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened version giving
only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking of omitting assembly
stuff for instance.
David
G3UNA
From: Dan KB6NU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2007/10/10 Wed PM 08:20:38 BST
To: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.
73!
Dan KB6NU
--
CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator
Get my Tech and General Class study guides at www.kb6nu.com/tech-manual
LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO!
On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:
When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
---
I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
alternative to local printing?
tnx,
72/73 Ken N9VV
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[Elecraft] K2 as a Subreceiver
Elecrafters, my TS-850 has an output for hooking a transverter to the rx-path. You can also hook up the Rx-ant input from the K2. This is great for listening on 2 freqs simultaneously with a K2 connected . One ear hears the K2, the other ear hears the TS-850. There is no danger to transmit into either radio directly. Would you give me advice how to protect the K2 from overloading when the other radio transmits on the same band? Break the connection to the K2?s rx-ant input? Ground the connection to the K2?s rx-ant input? Switch the K2 to transmit with power set to minimum? Mute the K2 somehow? Or a combination of this? -- 73, DM4iM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double
sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is
"booklet printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened
version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking
of omitting assembly stuff for instance.
David
G3UNA
>
> From: Dan KB6NU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/10/10 Wed PM 08:20:38 BST
> To: Elecraft Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
>
> I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
> a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
> black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.
>
> 73!
>
> Dan KB6NU
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>
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:
>
> > When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
> > fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
> > see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
> > in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
> > document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
> > ---
> > I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
> > from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
> > house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
> > realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
> > alternative to local printing?
> >
> > tnx,
> > 72/73 Ken N9VV
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Re: [Elecraft] EU Import Duty Codes
This from Lisa when I ordered my K3: Following are the codes we use for all of our amateur radio equipment we ship to the UK. We have been instructed to use these codes so that our customers do not have to pay duty, only VAT. We can certainly put "for educational purposes" on the form also if you wish. 8517 69 90 00 Radio-Telegrpahic or Radio-Telephonic apparatus not used in aircrafts 8517 70 90 00 Parts for Radio-Telegraphic or Radio-Telephonic apparatus not used in aircrafts On 11/10/07 10:07, "Peter Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > Apologies as I know this has been covered last year. But what is the > current EU Import Commodity Code (and description) for a radio kit so as to > pay zero % import duty. > Thanks Peter G3ZSS -- Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labour. -Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Ham Radio Deluxe & K3
To avoid the questions I am receiving by email, here's the Ham Radio Deluxe and K3 support status. The programming information is not yet published but will be similar to the K2 / Kenwood which makes life easy for me. As soon as I get my first wave K3 I'll screw it together and get on with the HRD support, programming will take just a few hours initially but I will then spend a week or two extending HRD to add support for the new K3 features. I will be on holiday as of tomorrow for two weeks, first at the RSGB HF Convention then as GD4ELI, so realistically I will not have K3 support before the beginning of November. While on holiday I will have my IC-703 and will be out portable on digital modes and SOTA. Simon Brown, HB9DRV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] EU Import Duty Codes
Apologies as I know this has been covered last year. But what is the current EU Import Commodity Code (and description) for a radio kit so as to pay zero % import duty. Thanks Peter G3ZSS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual Question
I don't agree. Printing it yourself for most people would take a long time, cost more than a mass-reproduced manual, use twice as much paper (most hams don't have office-type printers that will print on both sides) and not be bound. Nor would updating be any easier unless the manual was structured with a lot more white space because any additions would push text on to the next page. So you'd probably have to reprint the whole section from the amendment onward. Providing manuals only in electronic form is a cheapskate option that just passes the cost and bother of creating a printed copy on to the consumer. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/11/07, Bill W5WVO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most end users who want a paper manual would choose the option of printing it > themselves on ordinary printer paper. If the manuals and updates were designed > as I described in my previous post, they would lend themselves exceptionally > well to home printing and loose-leaf binding. The user wouldn't have to print > out a whole new manual every time there's an update. Those who care to could > keep their manuals up-to-date elegantly and with a minimum of fuss; those who > don't care to would never be bothered. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual Question
I'm glad you're not in charge, then.:) Some (many?) of us only have cheap, slow home inkjet printers that use very expensive ink cartridges and it would take a long time and be prohibitively expensive to print off a manual. And I don't want to turn on a computer every time I want to look up something in the manual. Perhaps in the cities there are places that will print a PDF at reasonable cost, but I have never come across a service that will do that here in the UK. Perhaps the answer would be to make the printed manual an extra cost option. Then those who don't want it don't have to pay for it and those who care about having the latest version could order up a new one whenever they want. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/10/07, Craig Rairdin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I was in charge I would provide an electronic manual supplemented by a > thorough quick-reference booklet like the ones from > www.niftyaccessories.com. Users could print the manual if they wanted, but > otherwise I wouldn't have killed as many trees, Al Gore would be happy, and > we'd save $10/unit sold over distributing a seldom-read manual. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?
> principle of "least surprise" - is "es" is a word in other languages "es" means "it" in German. Es ist schön = It is beautiful. vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
