[Elecraft] contest

[Manuel Pareja]

Hi,

Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend overcrowded band's?
how do you avoid splatters from very close station?

73 de Manolo EA7LL
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[Elecraft] contest

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

There is NOTHING you can do to reduce received SPLATTER other than
move away from that frequency.  The other tools work well (very well)
for IMD, but not for splatter.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] contest

[Manuel Pareja]

Hi Elecrafters,

Cqww is here, and I wonder how you use your k3 against splatters and
ovecrowded bands. Any advise or trick is wellcome.

Hope to work you.

73 de Manolo EA7LL
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[Elecraft] contest

[Manuel Pareja]

Hi Elecrafters,

Cqww is here, and I wonder how you use your k3 against splatters and
ovecrowded bands. Any advise or trick is wellcome.

Hope to work you in the contest.

73 de Manolo EA7LL
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[Elecraft] Contest

[Kenneth A. Christiansen]

I have been a ham for 46 years and except for field day which I was not 
very good at avoided contests. I always found 30 meters to be better 
than normal during contests because many wonderful hams came down there 
when the bands were busy. About 10 years ago I did my first contest 
using my IC-746 PRO and RTTY. My results were modest but I did find it 
rather fun and started to make sense of the exchanges. The IC-746 had 
problems with close strong stations and that was often a problem on CW 
QSOs as well. I made many portable CW QSOs with my K2-100 while camping 
and still do but at home in a contest the problems were different and I 
still could not enjoy contests. I have now had my K3 for 4 years and my 
P3 for going on two and this year have enjoyed contests I never would 
have even tried before. I made more CW LOW power contacts during FIELD 
DAY for our club than the 2 SSB station combined. I made 63 LOW power 
contacts in the ARRL Sweep Stakes contest, 46 contacts with LOW power in 
the ARRL RTTY contest and this week end 52 contacts and 37 countries 
using QRP 5 watt power in the ARRL DX CW contest. The K3 and P3 do all 
the wonderful things for me that they do for a top notch contest station 
such as rejecting close in QRM and finding stations to work. The 
problems I noticed with my IC-746 PRO just are not there with the K3. I 
get 599 reports like everyone else but I also notice that I do not get 
an answer when I call a station if there is any other station in a 
pileup with me. That still makes me pleased though when I work a Europe, 
Africa, or South America  station from my modest city lot and 5 watts of 
power and 7 meter high antenna in Fargo ND.
73. I may work you in another contest or I may join you for a rag chew 
on 30 meters but either way I will be enjoying my K2 or K3 plus other 
family activities on the same week ends.

W0CZ Ken Christiansen Fargo ND
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[Elecraft] Contest

[DANIEL HUBBARD]

Hi to all,

Looking forward to working a few K2's on SSB from here in RSAI have 
#4633 to exchange 3 points with.

Will try to get Gavin ZS6BG to participate...he has another K2 to air

73
Daniel ZS6JR..sk
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Re: [Elecraft] contest

[Dave Hachadorian]

Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
NB, NR OFF
High cut = 2.05

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Manuel Pareja" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] contest


> Hi,
>
> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend 
> overcrowded band's?
> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>
> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Re: [Elecraft] contest

[Andrew Faber]

Dave's suggestions are good ones, but having used a K3 for over 6,000 Qs in 
ARRL Phone from P49Y, I can say that they only go so far.  You will still 
get splatter from close stations.  The K3 is excellent at not creating 
digital artifacts due to nearby signals, but unfortunately a lot of the 
splatter you hear from nearby stations in a phone contest really is in your 
radio passband, and can't be eliminated by any setting of the controls on a 
K3 or any other radio.
 Note, it's also possible to run the DSP at a width as narrow a 1.6 kHz or 
so in extreme circumstances. Also consider backing off the RF gain at times.
  GL and 73, Andy, AE6Y.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Hachadorian" 
To: "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Manuel Pareja" 

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] contest


> Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
> Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
> NB, NR OFF
> High cut = 2.05
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Manuel Pareja" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:48 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] contest
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend
>> overcrowded band's?
>> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>>
>> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Re: [Elecraft] contest

[Greg - AB7R]

I use a 1.5 kHz filter when phone contesting.  I set the FC to about 1.1 and 
have not problems.  I tell the K3 to kick in that filter at BW=1.7 kHz.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Tue Oct 20 14:58 , "Andrew Faber"  sent:

>Dave's suggestions are good ones, but having used a K3 for over 6,000 Qs in 
>ARRL Phone from P49Y, I can say that they only go so far.  You will still 
>get splatter from close stations.  The K3 is excellent at not creating 
>digital artifacts due to nearby signals, but unfortunately a lot of the 
>splatter you hear from nearby stations in a phone contest really is in your 
>radio passband, and can't be eliminated by any setting of the controls on a 
>K3 or any other radio.
> Note, it's also possible to run the DSP at a width as narrow a 1.6 kHz or 
>so in extreme circumstances. Also consider backing off the RF gain at times.
>  GL and 73, Andy, AE6Y.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Dave Hachadorian" k...@arrl.net>
>To: "Elecraft Reflector" elecraft@mailman.qth.net>; "Manuel Pareja" 
>manolo.ea...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] contest
>
>
>> Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
>> Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
>> NB, NR OFF
>> High cut = 2.05
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Manuel Pareja" manolo.ea...@gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:48 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] contest
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend
>>> overcrowded band's?
>>> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>>>
>>> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Re: [Elecraft] contest

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I think the common definition of splatter has changed over the years. In the
past, "splatter" meant RF transmitted well outside the intended bandwidth.
In the case of a typical Amateur SSB signal, that would be something beyond
the 3 kHz bandwidth such signals normally occupy. It is usually caused by a
non-linear amplifier in the transmitter - often an external amplifier when
the operator over-drives it in an attempt to get a little more output. 

That is solely a fault of the transmitting station and there's not much you
can do about it at the receiver although the strength of the noise will
diminish as you tune far away.

What often seems to be called splatter today is someone simply trying to
operate too close in frequency to another station so his receive bandwidth
overlaps the bandwidth already being used by the other station. That, too,
can cause splatter-like sounds in the receiver, but it's not the
transmitter's fault. It's the problem of the receiver's operator. You have
to move farther away from the other station's frequency to stop the
interference and to avoid interfering with him. It's easy to check, just
tune in the other station and check his frequency. You should not hear any
interference beyond 3 kHz on the direction of his sideband (that is, tuning
lower in frequency on the 7 MHz band and below or tuning higher in frequency
on the 14 MHz band and above). 

And that's why we carefully follow that common standard for which sideband
to use on various bands. It's quite legal to use either sideband on any band
(at least in the USA), but if people randomly choose sidebands we'd need to
allow at least 6 or 7 kHz between stations to ensure no interference, just
as we do for double sideband A.M. If everyone uses the same sideband, a
separation of 3 or 4 kHz is usually enough (depending upon the quality of
the filters in the receiver). 

Ron AC7AC

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[Elecraft] Contest usage

[Mike Kasrich]

Keep the contest usage setting thread going.  Thats what I am going to 
use my K-3 for when it gets here.  Would love to see/hear more about 
what settings were useful, what filters were useful.


Mike/aj9c

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[Elecraft] Contest noise

[greenacres113]

In W TN I use a HyTower vertical on the low bands. 80m & 40m were
very quiet and very good condx

here. With K3 & KPA500 got 38 entities on 80m & 69 on 40m. One night
on each band.

K9IL
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[Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[J F]

Doug,

1.  QSK.  This is user skill level dependent.  If you
do 20 wpm or less, the K2 QSK may be fine for you. 
During contesting, I am going at least 32-34 wpm, and
not uncommonly at 40wpm.  At these speeds and during a
contest, I NEED to hear everything immediately (that
is what top-end contesting is about).  So not hearing
between dits at "slow" contest speeds of 32 wpm is an
issue for me.  NOTE that I still used the K2 despite
that deficit because OVERALL, it is a great radio. 
But
for someone used to real QSK, this is not real QSK. 
Ask other serious contesters and they will say the
same.  For most K2 users, who are clearly not serious
contesters, this is not an issue at all.  Since the K3
says "very much better QSK than the K2," I would
easily assume that the deficit is real and
acknowledged.

*** I would argue that this is not "skill level"
dependent, but user preference. Considering the number
of Yaesu rigs used by the top ops, QSK isn't an end
all issue. If 32 WPM is "slow", I've been in the wrong
contests. I listen to some of the folks cranking at
over 35WPM and don't see any advantage when you look
at the repeat rates. Maybe time is saved with non
relevant items or repeatable items like CQ TEST or
5NN, but unless conditions or you have a killer
signal, high speed means high repeat rates.

2.  Stable power output.  

*** I've not seen this problem in QRP mode with my
K2's either as standalone or with the KPA installed. I
have had some issues on 160, but attribute this more
to my antennas than the radio.

SO IN CONCLUSION
The K2 is an awesome value and for all, including
serious contesters. At US$600 base, nobody expects it
to be 100% perfect for all market niches.  This is
clearly the ABSOLUTE BEST VALUE going in ham radio.

*** There are more than a few "serious" contesters
here. Like you, I read the various contest reflectors
and I doubt there is a single rig that would define
the "ultimate" contesting radio. This is very
subjective. It is also dependent on the category you
play in, how you operate, what you have for antennas.
What one might want for a major HP M/M operation is
not the same that a SOSB op would want. Yes, there are
basics that everyone wants... a bulletproof receiver
comes to mind ;o) Some of us would like to see the HP
stations have better Tx performance (better keying
shape, stop overdriving their amps). 

The K2 has exceeded it's design purpose as I see it.
As a CW contest rig, I can't think of anything I'd
rather have... well except the K3 ;o)

Thanks for the Q in WPX!

Julius
n2wn

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[Elecraft] Contest QTH

[J F]

Hi David,

I married into the contest QTH ;o) It puts a little
strain on the finances, but what ham would turn down a
couple acres in the country for antennas??

I'm so bloody fortunate, she even helps with the
antennas and radials!

Cheers,

Julius
n2wn
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[Elecraft] Contest Settings

[a45wg]

Fellow Hams,
Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had spent the 
past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest (CW), now I realise that 
Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so please no “Contests should be banned”.

But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs 

This is what I have been doing - 

0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is too wide.
2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
3)  Disable PreAmp

What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I am working 
easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)

Attentate (Just thought of this)
NR Settings ?
Notch filter ?

Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together the common 
suggestions.

Many thanks,
Tim A45WG
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[Elecraft] Contest QRM

[Jim Brown]

On 4/30/2014 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:

They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
enjoy the bands.


Contests always avoid the WARC bands, and most contests are a single 
mode -- CW or SSB or RTTY -- leaving lots of space for those who don't 
enjoy them.


73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] contest logging software

[Brian Lloyd]

I think I have mentioned that my students and I will be running our K2  
for field day. I was wondering which logging software people have  
used, especially if it interfaces to the K2 for getting frequency and  
mode info. I would prefer software that runs on MacOS but we can use  
Windows software. (Our Macs run both MacOS and Windows as the same  
time.)


Thanks in advance.

BTW, thank you to everyone who responded to my queries about CW  
operation. I really appreciate it.


Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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[Elecraft] Contest this weekendw

[Paul Gates, KD3JF]

Can anyone tell me where I can find the rules for the SS
for this weekend?
Paul, KD3JF
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[Elecraft] Contest Soapbox link

[J F]

Here's a link from mwdink of 3830 

http://www.eskimo.com/~mwdink/3830/

He's made text journals of of the last two major
contest's soapbox comments. All sorts of fun info in
these.

Believe it or not, my antennas were very simple. I
used a full size wire vertical on 80 with two raised
radials (about 10' above ground) in a V shape (only
supports I had. For 160, I used a top loaded hastily
erected 48' wire vertical. I did use a 295' coax
beverage for 80m this time around and it helped. I
tried using the same on 160, but only to drop the
static on Friday night. Used the Tee for Rx the rest
of the weekend. Wasn't thrilled with the performance
of the beverage on 160.

I give my K2 a lot of credit for hearing more than I
could work.

Cheers and thanks for all the QSOs!

Julius

n2wn


 

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[Elecraft] Contest RST reports

[ERIC MANNING]

If you want an accurate signal report, the place to go is RBN
http://www.reversebeacon.net/main.php

Just Send CQ and wait for the spots to roll in.

Everything else is preamble [contest 599 - for everyone] or overly polite, or a 
wild guess,
or all of the above.

Eric
VA7DZ



Why be upset with a 599? Because of that very same variability; it is highly
unlikely that you will have exactly the same propagation to different parts
of the world at the same time, so why should you accept the same report from
all contacts without question?

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU


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[Elecraft] Contest Update Issues

[Ken Kopp]

http://www.arrl.org/contest-update-issues?issue=2012-01-04  
  
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Fw: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Ken Kopp]

Subject: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

  For most K2 users, who are clearly not serious
contesters ...

Hmmm ... I expect the guys who make up "Team Vertical"
who have set 3 QRP world records and 4 NA records in the
CQWWCW, along with other "firsts" ... using K2's ... would
be considered "clearly serious"contesters  ...

See (friend) KB7Q's photo on Pg 98 of the June QST ... 4th
place S/O LP 2006 ARRL 160 Contest ... another "clearly not
serious contester" ... with a K2

2.  Stable power output.

I've not seen any evidence of this with my K2 S/N 5665

The K2 has exceeded it's design purpose as I see it.  As a CW contest
rig, I can't think of anything I'd rather have... well except the K3 ;o)

Ditto (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Sam Morgan]

J F wrote:

Doug,

1.  QSK.  This is user skill level dependent.  If you
do 20 wpm or less, the K2 QSK may be fine for you. 
During contesting, I am going at least 32-34 wpm, and

not uncommonly at 40wpm.  At these speeds and during a
contest, I NEED to hear everything immediately (that
is what top-end contesting is about).  So not hearing
between dits at "slow" contest speeds of 32 wpm is an
issue for me.  

snip

*** I would argue that this is not "skill level"
dependent, but user preference. 

snip

I listen to some of the folks cranking at
over 35WPM and don't see any advantage when you look
at the repeat rates. Maybe time is saved with non
relevant items or repeatable items like CQ TEST or
5NN, but unless conditions or you have a killer
signal, high speed means high repeat rates.


perhaps stretching the topic a bit,
but here's my, low speed, 2nd class commoner's 2 cents on the "top-end 
contesting" game.


My cw qso speed is a comfy 13-15wpm.
I can sorta copy (75%) at about 20-22wpm.
When I participate in the (other than qrp) contests, like the wpx,
it's strictly to see if/where I can be heard and to hand out a few points.
I can cope with the 25wpm and under guys just fine.
I figure it only enhances my learning.

Above that I have to listen to the guy as many times as it takes,
sometime 10 or more, just to get his call and the exchange info,
so when/if I answer him he won't have to deal with my requests for repeats.

If he isn't rare dx that I want to see if I can be heard by.
(Not for certificates, but just for my own satisfaction that I was heard)
I don't even bother with him.

Is that a fun way to contest? no.
Do I get fed up with the 40wpm (sic) big contesters? often.
Do I usually just blow them off and they don't get my contact for points?
You better believe it.

Just another view of how the fast ones often fail to serve themselves well by 
going so bloody fast. More power to them that they are capable of doing so. I 
just wonder how many q's they miss out on in doing so?


--
GB & 73's
KA5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[W2AGN]

Sam Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(05/30/2007 22:33)

>
>My cw qso speed is a comfy 13-15wpm.
>I can sorta copy (75%) at about 20-22wpm.
>When I participate in the (other than qrp) contests, like the wpx,
>it's strictly to see if/where I can be heard and to hand out a few points.
>I can cope with the 25wpm and under guys just fine.
>I figure it only enhances my learning.
>
>Above that I have to listen to the guy as many times as it takes,
>sometime 10 or more, just to get his call and the exchange info,
>so when/if I answer him he won't have to deal with my requests for repeats.
>
>If he isn't rare dx that I want to see if I can be heard by.
>(Not for certificates, but just for my own satisfaction that I was heard)
>I don't even bother with him.
>
>Is that a fun way to contest? no.
>Do I get fed up with the 40wpm (sic) big contesters? often.
>Do I usually just blow them off and they don't get my contact for points?
>You better believe it.
>
>Just another view of how the fast ones often fail to serve themselves well by 
>going so bloody fast. More power to them that they are capable of doing so. I 
>just wonder how many q's they miss out on in doing so?
>
>-- 
>GB & 73's
>KA5OAI
>Sam Morgan


Not that many. There are plenty of contesters running at 30-40 wpm.

"Dissing" contesters because  you do not have the skill  they have is 
rather like the Sunday Buick driver  complaining he is not allowed  
to drive  his Buick in the Indy 500.

John - W2AGN
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[J F]

Sam,

I think there are more than a few who feel the way you
do. Generally, if some one comes back to me slow when
I'm running, I'll drop my speed some, probably above
what they were sending at, but slow enough where I
think they can get the exchange right the first time.

Lately, I've noticed a lot of folks who send quite
slow and I speculate these are first time contesters.
I figure they want to learn the game, but may get
frustrated if blown out of the water. In my mind it's
better to slow down, make a solid contact and let the
other guy feel good about it as well. 

The last few big contests I picked up some nice
multipliers from guys who were sending slow with
pileups on them, not because I was the loudest, but
because I sent at a rate they could copy...
> 
> My cw qso speed is a comfy 13-15wpm.
> I can sorta copy (75%) at about 20-22wpm.
>
> Above that I have to listen to the guy as many times
> as it takes,
> sometime 10 or more, just to get his call and the
> exchange info,
> so when/if I answer him he won't have to deal with
> my requests for repeats.

This is a good way to pick up your speed. Much easier
if the signal is solid, generally one of the
superstations. I'd say the vast majority of contesters
run in the mid 20 WPM to the low 30s... Some of the
Eastern and Southern EU will crank 40+. Some exchanges
are a lot easier to recognize than others at those
rates.
> 
> Is that a fun way to contest? no.

If it's not fun, pass 'em by... Of course, not
everything in a contest is "fun". How you want to play
makes it fun. It's a rush to get a run going and
working smoothly, it's a lot of fun to find a rare one
all by his lonesome. The vast majority of the folks
who play great. Like everything else in life, there
are those who you wish weren't involved.

> I just wonder how many q's they miss out on in doing
> so?

It's an interesting question and would make for an
interesting study. Assuming you could get unbiased
reporting from both sides, it might change the
perspective of some.

Hope to catch you in one of the contests. Don't be
afraid to send QRS if ya need to.

Julius
n2wn
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[J F]

> Not that many. There are plenty of contesters
> running at 30-40 wpm.

I think the best ones know when to drop their speed,
or the QSO in some cases, else they gum up their runs.
If someone has plenty of folks coming back to them at
high speeds, they won't break cadence for someone
slow, unless that signal is overpowering.

> 
> "Dissing" contesters because  you do not have the
> skill  they have is 
> rather like the Sunday Buick driver  complaining he
> is not allowed  
> to drive  his Buick in the Indy 500.
> 
> John - W2AGN
> 


That's why they have dirt tracks, drag strips, NASCAR,
demolition derbies, La Mans... you have to drive in
'em all, but they all have different skill sets (and
equipment). Some can master them all, some don't want
to...

Cheers,
Julius
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Doug Person]

To some degree there is a bit of speed snobbery out there. I too am 
comfortable as 13-15 wpm.  Too often, someone will return on my cq at 
about 20.  I do my best but it just isn't fun.  I can't copy in my head 
and I have arthritis in my hands and can't write faster than about 15.  
The best solution is to join FISTS and work lots of FISTS stations.  
These guys and girls are a real pleasure and helped me make cw an 
enjoyable mode to operate.


73 - Doug --K0DXV

Sam Morgan wrote:

J F wrote:

Doug,

1.  QSK.  This is user skill level dependent.  If you
do 20 wpm or less, the K2 QSK may be fine for you. During contesting, 
I am going at least 32-34 wpm, and

not uncommonly at 40wpm.  At these speeds and during a
contest, I NEED to hear everything immediately (that
is what top-end contesting is about).  So not hearing
between dits at "slow" contest speeds of 32 wpm is an
issue for me.  

snip

*** I would argue that this is not "skill level"
dependent, but user preference. 

snip

I listen to some of the folks cranking at
over 35WPM and don't see any advantage when you look
at the repeat rates. Maybe time is saved with non
relevant items or repeatable items like CQ TEST or
5NN, but unless conditions or you have a killer
signal, high speed means high repeat rates.


perhaps stretching the topic a bit,
but here's my, low speed, 2nd class commoner's 2 cents on the "top-end 
contesting" game.


My cw qso speed is a comfy 13-15wpm.
I can sorta copy (75%) at about 20-22wpm.
When I participate in the (other than qrp) contests, like the wpx,
it's strictly to see if/where I can be heard and to hand out a few 
points.

I can cope with the 25wpm and under guys just fine.
I figure it only enhances my learning.

Above that I have to listen to the guy as many times as it takes,
sometime 10 or more, just to get his call and the exchange info,
so when/if I answer him he won't have to deal with my requests for 
repeats.


If he isn't rare dx that I want to see if I can be heard by.
(Not for certificates, but just for my own satisfaction that I was heard)
I don't even bother with him.

Is that a fun way to contest? no.
Do I get fed up with the 40wpm (sic) big contesters? often.
Do I usually just blow them off and they don't get my contact for points?
You better believe it.

Just another view of how the fast ones often fail to serve themselves 
well by going so bloody fast. More power to them that they are capable 
of doing so. I just wonder how many q's they miss out on in doing so?





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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

J F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :


Lately, I've noticed a lot of folks who send quite
slow and I speculate these are first time contesters.
I figure they want to learn the game, but may get
frustrated if blown out of the water.



The last few big contests I picked up some nice
multipliers from guys who were sending slow with
pileups on them, not because I was the loudest, but
because I sent at a rate they could copy...



Hi Julius,

Perhaps some of the people who keep the speed down could work at 40wpm, but 
are experienced in the effects of propagation on paths where multipliers 
might be lurking. A good example of this can be found on the 40m short path 
(0500 Z ish) from here to the West Coast. During the WPX there were many CA 
stations heard at good strength, those running at high speed were difficult 
if not impossible to copy because of the usual echo and auroral zone flutter 
which runs characters together, but those running at slow speed allowed for 
good copy.


As you know I am not a Contester but enjoy dabbling :-)

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


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RE: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Darwin, Keith]

I think a heads-up contester could pick up more points by slowing down
during those times when the QSO rate has dropped.  Better to call one
time at 12 wpm and work a station than to call 10 times at 30 wpm and
work nobody.  I've not heard this during a contest however.  Seems most
are only interested in collecting high-speed points and would prefer to
continue calling CQ TEST at 30 wpm with no answer.

Yea, I know speed changes are not always easy to do, but if it helps the
final score, I bet folks would find a way.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[J F]

> Hi Julius,
> 
> Perhaps some of the people who keep the speed down
> could work at 40wpm, but 
> are experienced in the effects of propagation on
> paths where multipliers 
> might be lurking. A good example of this can be
> found on the 40m short path 
> (0500 Z ish) from here to the West Coast. During the
> WPX there were many CA 
> stations heard at good strength, those running at
> high speed were difficult 
> if not impossible to copy because of the usual echo
> and auroral zone flutter 
> which runs characters together, but those running at
> slow speed allowed for 
> good copy.

The longer one plays in CW contests, particularly the
majors, the easier it is to copy high speed code. Your
observation is another example of a good reason to be
flexible when it comes to speed. I just find it
humorous when I'm doing S&P to listen to some guys
cranking HSC and repeating the exchange 5 or 6 times
before either the QSO is made, or one or the other
gives up in frustration. It's a judgment call fer
sure.

I guess "winning" to me includes not discouraging
newbies or scaring away folks who may not be so
anti-contest if someone takes a little more time with
them. Maybe I can afford to do this as a LP or QRP
operator, certainly contesting is stratified, and
folks have different perspectives and objectives...

I'm getting way too long winded on this Geoff! ;o)

Cheers,

Julius
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[R. Kevin Stover]

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That's exactly it.

I worked one field day with a bunch of guys out in the Black Hills. Each
one of them capable and comfortable at 40+ wpm. They always ran at
17-22wpm with the logic being there are a lot more guys/gals out there
that can work that speed range copying a contest exchange than there are
 guys/gals who can do 40+.

They finish top 10 in the country EVERY YEAR!

I'd think the same logic would work in "real" contests as well. Unless
the speed merchants actually like sending their exchanges 10 times to
get one Q in the log.

Darwin, Keith wrote:
> I think a heads-up contester could pick up more points by slowing down
> during those times when the QSO rate has dropped.  Better to call one
> time at 12 wpm and work a station than to call 10 times at 30 wpm and
> work nobody.  I've not heard this during a contest however.  Seems most
> are only interested in collecting high-speed points and would prefer to
> continue calling CQ TEST at 30 wpm with no answer.
> 
> Yea, I know speed changes are not always easy to do, but if it helps the
> final score, I bet folks would find a way.
> 
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Reflections

[Rick Tavan N6XI]

Serious, skilled contesters play to win by maximizing rate when CQing. If
they have so many responses that it becomes difficult to pick out calls,
they QRQ to work them as quickly as possible. If they have too few
responses, they QRS to attract more callers. Faster, louder callers get
through sooner. If conditions like fading or echo make copy difficult at
high speed, skilled ops slow down.  If they are loud and fast, they win.
There may be a few "bulls in the china shop" who persist at high speed
despite indications that it's hurting their score. They lose. It's that
simple.

On the calling side, if you are weak and/or slow, you won't get through as
quickly as those who are loud and fast. Be patient. Copy repetitive exchange
items while you wait. Anticipate subsequent serial numbers. These techniques
increase your ability to complete a QSO when you do get through, even at a
higher speed than you can use for rag-chewing.  If you aren't getting
through, come back when the fast operator's rate declines. Most will QRS
when they work a slow caller, at least after a repeat request. Winning ops
want to work everyone they can. They just do it in the most rational
sequence to maximize their own score.

Did you know that a good radio makes it easier to copy at high speed?
Ringing filters, mushy audio and invasive DSP reduce your effective code
speed. That's why I love my K2 and why I look forward to the K3.

/Rick N6XI

On 5/31/07, R. Kevin Stover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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That's exactly it.

I worked one field day with a bunch of guys out in the Black Hills. Each
one of them capable and comfortable at 40+ wpm. They always ran at
17-22wpm with the logic being there are a lot more guys/gals out there
that can work that speed range copying a contest exchange than there are
guys/gals who can do 40+.

They finish top 10 in the country EVERY YEAR!

I'd think the same logic would work in "real" contests as well. Unless
the speed merchants actually like sending their exchanges 10 times to
get one Q in the log.

Darwin, Keith wrote:
> I think a heads-up contester could pick up more points by slowing down
> during those times when the QSO rate has dropped.  Better to call one
> time at 12 wpm and work a station than to call 10 times at 30 wpm and
> work nobody.  I've not heard this during a contest however.  Seems most
> are only interested in collecting high-speed points and would prefer to
> continue calling CQ TEST at 30 wpm with no answer.
>
> Yea, I know speed changes are not always easy to do, but if it helps the
> final score, I bet folks would find a way.
>
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QTH

[Jozef Hand-Boniakowski]

Lucky man.  Me too!  We live on 16 acres in the hills of rural Vermont 
(past 22 years).  There is an antenna farm including tower and 
tribander.  Wife, JeanneE, helped me put in 40 radials for the 40 meter 
1/4 wave vertical.  The longest is 250 feet!  Some at 128 feet, etc.  
She even suggested that the new electric dog fence which is a 975 loop 
one inch under the grass and under the inverted-L be flipped with a 
switch from loop antenna to shorted )disconnected from the fence TX) and 
grounded counterpoise.  Ah, and then there is the great callsign she 
has.  JeanneE is KA1PMS.  And the kids are Guinnevere KA1ZWK, and Dylan 
N1UKP.  The club call is W1PAZ.  With the new (Feb 2007) very easy no-CW 
ham U.S. exams  the two dogs are considering getting their ham tickets.


Jozef WB2MIC


J F wrote:

Hi David,

I married into the contest QTH ;o) It puts a little
strain on the finances, but what ham would turn down a
couple acres in the country for antennas??

I'm so bloody fortunate, she even helps with the
antennas and radials!

Cheers,

Julius
n2wn
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QTH

[J F]

Dang Jozef!!

Could it be our Eastern European Ancestry providing
such wonderful luck?? ;o) JeanneE does have a loverly
call. I'm trying to talk Rita into getting her
license, no luck yet...

We shoulda looked you up when we were there in July!

Next time we head up that way it'd be nice to have an
eyeball Q. I know we've worked plenty of times, will
have to check the other calls.

What do you have for 160?? Our longest radials are
about 120', most are 70' or less, but have a lot of
'em. They don't stay in the clay as well as sod
unfortunately.

Not sure if our sheltie is inclined to study for an
exam hihi

72,
Julius
n2wn

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> Lucky man.  Me too!  We live on 16 acres in the
> hills of rural Vermont 
> (past 22 years).  There is an antenna farm including
> tower and 
> tribander.  Wife, JeanneE, helped me put in 40
> radials for the 40 meter 
> 1/4 wave vertical.  The longest is 250 feet!  Some
> at 128 feet, etc.  
> She even suggested that the new electric dog fence
> which is a 975 loop 
> one inch under the grass and under the inverted-L be
> flipped with a 
> switch from loop antenna to shorted )disconnected
> from the fence TX) and 
> grounded counterpoise.  Ah, and then there is the
> great callsign she 
> has.  JeanneE is KA1PMS.  And the kids are
> Guinnevere KA1ZWK, and Dylan 
> N1UKP.  The club call is W1PAZ.  With the new (Feb
> 2007) very easy no-CW 
> ham U.S. exams  the two dogs are considering getting
> their ham tickets.
> 
> Jozef WB2MIC
> 
> 
> J F wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I married into the contest QTH ;o) It puts a
> little
> > strain on the finances, but what ham would turn
> down a
> > couple acres in the country for antennas??
> >
> > I'm so bloody fortunate, she even helps with the
> > antennas and radials!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Julius
> > n2wn
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QTH

[Jim Brown]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:44:12 -0400, Jozef Hand-Boniakowski wrote:

>Lucky man. Me too!  We live on 16 acres in the hills of rural Vermont 

I got lucky too!  After 42 years in Chicago apartments and city lots, 
my XYL and I found a lovely place in the Santa Cruz Mountains with 8.5 
acres of redwoods, lots of peace and quiet, and the support for both of 
our hobbies. In Chicago I had a short 80/40 dipole, a 20/15/10 fan, 
both up about 30 ft, and a noise level that rarely dipped below S8.  
Here I've got 160/80/40 dipoles at 120 ft, 20/15/10 fans at 100 ft, an 
80/160 vertical with 40 radials, two reversible Beverages, and a noise 
level that rarely hits S3. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Dave Cole]

Hi,

I use a Genovation keypad connected to the P3, and hence the K3, for
all contesting...  It allows built in macros to be fired with a single
keypress into the K3...  See: 

http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/

for more info on the keypad.

I switch between very wide for listening around, and then zoom to
narrow...  The steps are as follows:

1.  As wide as possible, scanning around, zero in close to station by 
    hand.
2.  Hit ALIGN button on Genovation Keypad.  This centers the signal in 
    the passband, and on the spot frequency set in the K3 via macros.
2a. If split, hit the SPLIT +5 button, on the Genovation, this puts    
    the radio in split, moves the DX to the left edge of the P3 
    screen, and then adjusts the span of the P3 to 6 KHz.  I can then 
    see the openings, and the stations answering the DX.  Lets me find 
    a hole in the crowd to answer in as well.
3.  If too much QRM hit the Filter button on the Genovation Keypad, 
    this narrows the bandwidth to any filter selected using one button 
    press.
4.  Enter data to log by hand, or if via spot it is already there.
5.  Hit the NK7Z button on the keypad, this sends my call at a 
    selected CW speed, or triggers the memory if in SSB.
6.  If station answers, hit the EXCHANGE button on the software, 
    or the keypad.
7.  Press Wide bandwidth on keypad, then Goto 1.  CLear SPlit if 
    needed.

The Genovation has the following filters set up on it:

2800, 1000, 750, 500, 300, all of which can be selected with a single
key press, for each mode.

If I want NB/NR, I hit the button on the keypad for NB/NR, but I
normally don't use either.  Same for attenuation.

Once you get used to the keypad, it is like playing a piano, I can
operate the K3 and never even touch the radio...  Wonderful for
contests...

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On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 17:07 +0400, a45wg wrote:
> Fellow Hams,
>   Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had
> spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest (CW),
> now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so please
> no “Contests should be banned”.
> 
> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs 
> 
> This is what I have been doing - 
> 
>   0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
>   1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is
> too wide.
>   2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
>   3)  Disable PreAmp
>   
> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I
> am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
> 
>   Attentate (Just thought of this)
>   NR Settings ?
>   Notch filter ?
> 
> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together the
> common suggestions.
> 
> Many thanks,
>   Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,3/20/2016 6:07 AM, a45wg wrote:

But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs


On CW, my IF bandwidth is usually set around 250 Hz for Search and 
Pounce, a bit wider for Running (calling CQ) so that I don't miss 
off-frequency callers. When QRM is really bad, I'll go as narrow as 150 
Hz to copy a weak signal, but return to a wider setting when I'm 
finished with that weak station. When in S&P mode, I use XIT to move my 
TX a few hundred Hz off of zero beat to separate my call from others. 
When in Run mode, I use RIT (but not XIT) to tune in off-frequency callers.


Virtually all "contesters" use a contest logging program of some sort. I 
use N1MM Logger Plus, which is freeware. It is the most popular contest 
logger both because it is very good, and because it is free. Most other 
contest loggers are shareware. Contest loggers send messages that we 
pre-program before the contest (call CQ, send our exchange, send fills), 
check that a station we want to call is not a Dupe, and maintain the 
log. For SSB contests, the logger can play back voice messages that you 
recorded before the contest. For most SSB contests, I only record CQ 
messages. After the contest, it will automatically produce the Cabrillo 
file, a plain text file that is sent to the contest organizers to enter 
our score.


I try to avoid use of the NB, because it generates clicks and band noise 
from strong off-frequency signals. If band noise is bad, I DO use NR to 
pull out signals close to the noise level, and if the band is noisy, I 
leave it on all the time, because it takes the NR a few seconds to 
adjust to band noise and compensate for it. Whether or not to use the 
preamp or attenuator depends on band conditions. Generally the preamp is 
needed at its highest setting on the higher bands (6, 10, 12, and 15M), 
less often on 20M, rarely on 40M and below. On the lower bands, the 
ATTENuator should often be used.


I use the P3 extensively, with the SVGA option, to find activity on a 
slow band (like 10, 15 when they are marginally open), and to find a 
"hole" in which I can call CQ.


For some contests where it is permitted, or is permitted for the class I 
want to enter, I'll use the Cluster system to help me find stations to 
work. When I do that, I use VE7CC's excellent freeware CCluster software 
to filter spots. For most contests, I choose to see spots FROM stations 
within about 1,000 miles from me (I'm near San Francisco, so I choose 
all of W6, W7, VE7, VE6, NM, and CO), but I also choose KH6, KL7, and 
MD, because that gets me spots that show the stations in my area that I 
can't hear, but who I have to fit in between when I'm looking for a CQ 
frequency. Most contest loggers can be set to show those spots on a 
vertical band map, and to color code them to show them as a multiplier, 
not yet worked, already worked, non-workable in this contest.


Contest loggers can be set to send CW on the serial port (including a 
USB serial port), or using a dedicated keyer called a WinKey. WinKey is 
sold as a kit, and is easy to build. On some computers, keying via the 
serial/USB port can be choppy, and the WinKey solves that problem.


That's all I do during contests -- no fancy keyboards or other tools. I 
don't use K3 memories at all -- I use only those in the logging program.


Welcome (back) to contesting. It's the "on the air" activity I enjoy 
most. You would probably also enjoy joining a local contest club if 
there is one. I see from your website that you are considering LOTW. By 
all means DO put your log on both eQSL and LOTW. It saves those who want 
your QSL a lot of money for postage, and it saves both of you a lot of 
time. Some awards accept one or the other, but usually not both.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Jeff Kinzli]

Tim,

You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how
bad the pileups are.

Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to
discern signals.

Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e.
you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud.

For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to
allow for better hearing of weak signals.

YMMV, 73 de N6GQ

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote:
> Fellow Hams,
> Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had spent the 
> past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest (CW), now I realise 
> that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so please no “Contests should be 
> banned”.
>
> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs
>
> This is what I have been doing -
>
> 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
> 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is too wide.
> 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
> 3)  Disable PreAmp
>
> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I am 
> working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
>
> Attentate (Just thought of this)
> NR Settings ?
> Notch filter ?
>
> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together the common 
> suggestions.
>
> Many thanks,
> Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Don't forget the K3/K3S has an audio limiter that you can set to protect your 
ears when the AGC is off (CONFIG:AF LIM). 

I'm assuming from the notations that you are using a K3/K3S since it's not 
noted in the Sj. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

Tim,

You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how bad the 
pileups are.

Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to discern 
signals.

Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e.
you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud.

For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to allow for 
better hearing of weak signals.

YMMV, 73 de N6GQ

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote:
> Fellow Hams,
> Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had spent the 
> past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest (CW), now I realise 
> that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so please no “Contests should be 
> banned”.
>
> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs
>
> This is what I have been doing -
>
> 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
> 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is too wide.
> 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
> 3)  Disable PreAmp
>
> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I am 
> working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
>
> Attentate (Just thought of this)
> NR Settings ?
> Notch filter ?
>
> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together the common 
> suggestions.
>
> Many thanks,
> Tim A45WG

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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Dave Cole]

Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic range to
blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a KW, and
if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak DX, it
hurts...
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On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 12:51 -0700, Jeff Kinzli wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how
> bad the pileups are.
> 
> Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to
> discern signals.
> 
> Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e.
> you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud.
> 
> For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to
> allow for better hearing of weak signals.
> 
> YMMV, 73 de N6GQ
> 
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote:
> > 
> > Fellow Hams,
> > Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had
> > spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest
> > (CW), now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so
> > please no “Contests should be banned”.
> > 
> > But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs
> > 
> > This is what I have been doing -
> > 
> > 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
> > 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is
> > too wide.
> > 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
> > 3)  Disable PreAmp
> > 
> > What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I
> > am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
> > 
> > Attentate (Just thought of this)
> > NR Settings ?
> > Notch filter ?
> > 
> > Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together
> > the common suggestions.
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Wayne Burdick]

If you run with AGC off, you'll probably want to use CONFIG:AF LIM to establish 
an upper volume limit. See AF LIM in the menu listings.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic range to
> blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a KW, and
> if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak DX, it
> hurts...
> -- 
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> 
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> http://www.nk7z.net
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> 
> 
> On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 12:51 -0700, Jeff Kinzli wrote:
>> Tim,
>> 
>> You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how
>> bad the pileups are.
>> 
>> Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to
>> discern signals.
>> 
>> Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e.
>> you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud.
>> 
>> For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to
>> allow for better hearing of weak signals.
>> 
>> YMMV, 73 de N6GQ
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fellow Hams,
>>> Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had
>>> spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest
>>> (CW), now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so
>>> please no “Contests should be banned”.
>>> 
>>> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs
>>> 
>>> This is what I have been doing -
>>> 
>>> 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
>>> 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is
>>> too wide.
>>> 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
>>> 3)  Disable PreAmp
>>> 
>>> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I
>>> am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
>>> 
>>> Attentate (Just thought of this)
>>> NR Settings ?
>>> Notch filter ?
>>> 
>>> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together
>>> the common suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Dave Hachadorian]

I used to operate CW with AGC OFF, but a loud signal would come 
along and trigger the AF Limiter, which causes gross distortion.


Now I operate CW with fast AGC , AGC SLP = 0, and AGC THR = 20. 
It's almost as good as no AGC , and you don't have to worry about 
the AF Limiter.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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To: d...@nk7z.net
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

If you run with AGC off, you'll probably want to use CONFIG:AF 
LIM to establish an upper volume limit. See AF LIM in the menu 
listings.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic 
range to
blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a 
KW, and
if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak 
DX, it

hurts...
--
73's, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)

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On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 12:51 -0700, Jeff Kinzli wrote:

Tim,

You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending 
on how

bad the pileups are.

Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as 
needed to

discern signals.

Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, 
i.e.
you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really 
loud.


For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it 
seems to

allow for better hearing of weak signals.

YMMV, 73 de N6GQ

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  
wrote:


Fellow Hams,
Having not Contested for over 5 years - I 
just had
spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX 
Contest
(CW), now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of 
tea so

please no “Contests should be banned”.

But I would be interested in how other contesters set up 
their rigs


This is what I have been doing -

0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 
(hz?) is

too wide.
2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a 
little

3)  Disable PreAmp

What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other 
stations I
am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR 
??)


Attentate (Just thought of this)
NR Settings ?
Notch filter ?

Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put 
together

the common suggestions.

Many thanks,
Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Ha, ha!! It does that. But many of us O.T.s worked for years listening to
the thumps and howls of an overloaded receiver as our "sidetone" while
transmitting or listening to monitors using sawtooth oscillators to generate
the tone. 

But, really, the limiter is an ear-protection device to keep your hearing
intact for the few seconds it takes to back off the gain. 

I'm an old commercial CW operator from the 1950's and grew up with the audio
gain set fairly high and controlling the listening level with the RF gain.
But modern AGC such as the K3/K3S has is so good I'm getting out of my old
habits. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Hachadorian
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:29 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

I used to operate CW with AGC OFF, but a loud signal would come along and
trigger the AF Limiter, which causes gross distortion.

Now I operate CW with fast AGC , AGC SLP = 0, and AGC THR = 20. 
It's almost as good as no AGC , and you don't have to worry about the AF
Limiter.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Dave Cole]

I ceased using the limiter for that reason as well...  I have been
playing with the AGC to get that sort of clamping as well...
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On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 17:29 -0700, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> I used to operate CW with AGC OFF, but a loud signal would come 
> along and trigger the AF Limiter, which causes gross distortion.
> 
> Now I operate CW with fast AGC , AGC SLP = 0, and AGC THR = 20. 
> It's almost as good as no AGC , and you don't have to worry about 
> the AF Limiter.
> 
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:23 PM
> To: d...@nk7z.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings
> 
> If you run with AGC off, you'll probably want to use CONFIG:AF 
> LIM to establish an upper volume limit. See AF LIM in the menu 
> listings.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic 
> > range to
> > blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a 
> > KW, and
> > if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak 
> > DX, it
> > hurts...
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[John K3TN via Elecraft]

Hi, Tim - From an AGC perspective, I use the same approach K6LL does, seems
to work well for all cases except when I am running, get spotted and get hit
with a dozen stations all calling zero beat on the exact same frequency.
That is the scenario where I occasionally back off the RF gain or adjust the
Shift control off of my 600 hz pitch frequency a bit. As a fairly rare DX
station in a contest, you will probably hit that condition more often.

On pre-amp/attenuator, for conditions here on the East Coast, I have the
pre-amp on for 10 and 15m, usually off for 20, always off for 40 and 80.
During a 160M contest, I will turn on the attenuator on 160M but for most
multi-band contests I find it is usually not necessary there. But,
conditions where you are will likely be very different.

I leave all NB/NR off for contests, with lots of loud signals on bands they
seem to add more noise than they remove. Since the notch filter is manual
for CW, I never use it and certainly never in contests.

On  the PVRC mailing list we had an interesting discussion about filter
bandwidth and CW pitch - generally  pitch or center frequency between 400
and 600 hz was preferred, much feeling that lower meant that when adjusting
RIT you would be causing a larger % frequency change in the signals and thus
differentiating more. I usually run my 500 hz filter, rarely going lower
unless there is some multiple snuggled between two loud running stations!

Of course, there is always the Fred K3ZO data point, though he isn't a K3
user: he believes in leaving his filters wide open for CW contests and does
the filtering between his ears... That only works if you have a similar CPU
between your ears!

73 John K3TN



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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Ed Muns]

Wayne, is hardware AGC still "on" when (software) AGC is set to "off"?

73,
Ed W0YK
On Mar 21, 2016 00:23, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>
> If you run with AGC off, you'll probably want to use CONFIG:AF LIM to 
> establish an upper volume limit. See AF LIM in the menu listings. 
>
> 73, 
> Wayne 
> N6KR 
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dave Cole  wrote: 
>
> > Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic range to 
> > blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a KW, and 
> > if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak DX, it 
> > hurts... 
> > -- 
> > 73's, and thanks, 
> > Dave (NK7Z) 
> > 
> > For software/hardware reviews see: 
> > http://www.nk7z.net 
> > 
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> > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info 
> > 
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 12:51 -0700, Jeff Kinzli wrote: 
> >> Tim, 
> >> 
> >> You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how 
> >> bad the pileups are. 
> >> 
> >> Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to 
> >> discern signals. 
> >> 
> >> Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e. 
> >> you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud. 
> >> 
> >> For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to 
> >> allow for better hearing of weak signals. 
> >> 
> >> YMMV, 73 de N6GQ 
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Fellow Hams, 
> >>> Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had 
> >>> spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest 
> >>> (CW), now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so 
> >>> please no “Contests should be banned”. 
> >>> 
> >>> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs 
> >>> 
> >>> This is what I have been doing - 
> >>> 
> >>> 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz) 
> >>> 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is 
> >>> too wide. 
> >>> 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little 
> >>> 3)  Disable PreAmp 
> >>> 
> >>> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I 
> >>> am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??) 
> >>> 
> >>> Attentate (Just thought of this) 
> >>> NR Settings ? 
> >>> Notch filter ? 
> >>> 
> >>> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together 
> >>> the common suggestions. 
> >>> 
> >>> Many thanks, 
> >>> Tim A45WG 
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[Barry N1EU]

Hardware AGC is ALWAYS on.  It simply protects the ADC from dynamic range
overload and doesn't come into play until signals are s9++.

73, Barry N1EU

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Ed Muns  wrote:

> Wayne, is hardware AGC still "on" when (software) AGC is set to "off"?
>
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
> On Mar 21, 2016 00:23, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> >
> > If you run with AGC off, you'll probably want to use CONFIG:AF LIM to
> establish an upper volume limit. See AF LIM in the menu listings.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> >
> > > Be very careful with the AGC off...  The K3 has enough dynamic range to
> > > blow your ears up pretty well..  I have a neighbor that runs a KW, and
> > > if he comes up on my frequency, while I am listening for weak DX, it
> > > hurts...
> > > --
> > > 73's, and thanks,
> > > Dave (NK7Z)
> > >
> > > For software/hardware reviews see:
> > > http://www.nk7z.net
> > >
> > > For MixW support see:
> > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > >
> > > For SSTV help see:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 12:51 -0700, Jeff Kinzli wrote:
> > >> Tim,
> > >>
> > >> You might also consider "riding the RF gain" route, depending on how
> > >> bad the pileups are.
> > >>
> > >> Turn AGC off, turn up the RF gain, and modulate RF gain as needed to
> > >> discern signals.
> > >>
> > >> Be careful though, in this mode AF gain is mostly unbounded, i.e.
> > >> you'll hurt your ears and/or headphones if a signal is really loud.
> > >>
> > >> For me, I use that mode sometimes when signals are weak, it seems to
> > >> allow for better hearing of weak signals.
> > >>
> > >> YMMV, 73 de N6GQ
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, a45wg  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Fellow Hams,
> > >>> Having not Contested for over 5 years - I just had
> > >>> spent the past 24 hours participating in the Russian DX Contest
> > >>> (CW), now I realise that Contests are not everyone’s cup of tea so
> > >>> please no “Contests should be banned”.
> > >>>
> > >>> But I would be interested in how other contesters set up their rigs
> > >>>
> > >>> This is what I have been doing -
> > >>>
> > >>> 0)  Narrow Filter enable (500 Hz)
> > >>> 1)  Very narrow Bandwidth at times even 10-20 (hz?) is
> > >>> too wide.
> > >>> 2)  Vary where I am listening up and down a little
> > >>> 3)  Disable PreAmp
> > >>>
> > >>> What other steps can I do to make my life (and the other stations I
> > >>> am working easier - I forgot how many times I sent R7?? or NR ??)
> > >>>
> > >>> Attentate (Just thought of this)
> > >>> NR Settings ?
> > >>> Notch filter ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Appreciate any input - if you wan to PM me - I will put together
> > >>> the common suggestions.
> > >>>
> > >>> Many thanks,
> > >>> Tim A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest Settings

[a45wg]

Fellow Hams,
Many thanks for the guidelines and suggestions…. I will try and 
experiment with some/all of those suggestions.

I had been running with AGC Off - but after having being deafened by 
the POPs of several RU using Kw - I went back to AGC Slow - I never knew about 
the limit setting for the AF Output !! (Time to read the manual again).

Likewise great info on the various Settings & Operating Modes.

Being a slightly ‘exotic call’, does mean in Contests your rarity 
increases (I am sure that also works for US stations in different ITU Zones - 
and a lesser extent CQ Zones) - so I 95% of the time have to “Run” a frequency. 
Because I almost never do S&P, I do not use the cluster or any other spotting 
utilities (skimmer, Reverse Beacon Network) - so I can enter the un-assisted 
section (if there is one)  - However should you operate in “Run” mode - then 
you cal really tell when you have been spotted on the cluster systems - as the 
increase in traffic is exponential. Often too much to cope with. I would 
normally work a split - something laughable in contest mode.

Recently I think that the “smart contesters” are increasingly using the 
Reverse Beacon Network (or their own skimmers) - with at least 3 stations 
always calling me within 2 CQ's after QSY-ing. Interestingly a well known 
German Dx contester - would always wait 10 minutes after I QSY-ed…. and the 
general melee had calmed down. I do use the RBN network the day prior to the 
contest - to try and get a feeling of how well my signals are getting out to 
various parts of the world. Alas Asian/Africa seems to be a little lacking in 
spotting stations - so it is rather a US/EU centric propogation exercise - but 
interesting nevertheless. 

Despite sending at 25 WPM - and I can happily receive at that, it often 
seems that stations with 1.5KW of power, into some monstrous 4x4x4 12 Element 
Array “farm” can only QRS to 32.5 wpm instead of their normal 33 wpm…. 
Fortunately I do not have to log some of my rather choice comments.

Many thanks for the most excellent suggestions - this list, as well as 
the radios it supports continues to amaze and enthral me.

Regards

Tim - A45WG, Muscat. Sultanate of Oman.


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QRM

[KQ8M]

I am always amazed at those that point to a chart and say there are contests 
every weekend. I only operate the big contests of which
there are 5 a year that affect each mode that I can think of. The rest are 
small and occupy very little band space if you even
notice them at all. If that really bothers you then I feel sorry for you. It 
must be tough that things bother you to that extent.

Plus, as Jim says, the WARC bands are contest free zones.

73,
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Subject: [Elecraft] Contest QRM

On 4/30/2014 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:
> They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't enjoy the 
> bands.

Contests always avoid the WARC bands, and most contests are a single mode -- CW 
or SSB or RTTY -- leaving lots of space for those
who don't enjoy them.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QRM

[AG0N-3055]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 09:16:18 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:

> Contests always avoid the WARC bands, and most contests are a single 
> mode -- CW or SSB or RTTY -- leaving lots of space for those who don't 
> enjoy them.

That's not bad, unless it is the weekend for your favorite mode, OR the other
mode spills out of its normal area of the band and takes over everything in
sight.  That happens all the time.  And I don't care what you or anyone else
says, I know and regularly hear, people just pile into areas of the band where
there is other activity, regular nets, etc.  Contest organizers should designate
a portion of the band where they will accept valid contacts, and disallow the
rest.

I know, just my opinion, but I assure you, I'm not alone.  This whole thing is
off topic for the list anyway.

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Re: [Elecraft] Contest QRM

[Jim Brown]

On 4/30/2014 5:40 PM, AG0N-3055 wrote:

That's not bad, unless it is the weekend for your favorite mode, OR the other
mode spills out of its normal area of the band and takes over everything in
sight.  That happens all the time.  And I don't care what you or anyone else
says, I know and regularly hear, people just pile into areas of the band where
there is other activity, regular nets, etc.  Contest organizers should designate
a portion of the band where they will accept valid contacts, and disallow the
rest.


Gary,

The thing you seem to be missing is that the big contests attract 
several thousand participants, and propagation drives those participants 
into bands that are open. It is rare that more than three bands are open 
at the same time, and often there are only two. Indeed, during sunspot 
minimums, there's often only 20M during the day. With two bands 
available, that means that there are a thousand or more stations trying 
to fit into each sub-band,in addition to the 50-100 non-contesters who 
are active on that band. The 20M phone band is 200 kHz wide, and a very 
clean rig occupies about 3 kHz. That means there's room on 20M SSB for 
about 70 stations to call CQ, and for 83 on 15M SSB. Things are a lot 
better on CW and RTTY, where clean signals burn 300 Hz and dirty ones 
three times that. That means 500 stations can fit into 20M CW, nearly 
700 into 15 CW.


We all have the same right to use those frequencies, on a first come, 
first served basis. Contesters should not be chasing QSOs off a 
frequency, and those wanting to start a QSO must realize that if 
someone's there first, it's their frequency. But I will not QSY because 
someone 10 kHz down the band from me hears me on his el cheapo rig.


73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] Contest... cq sp?

[Clint Sprague]

Heard a bunch of stations last nite on 40CW calling
CQ sp  test
exchange was state & power(w)
I searched all the contest listing but couldn't find
a contest that was being run at this time.
Anyone know what contest this was, and where I can
find a good webpage listing all contest activity?

73,
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WS1V




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[Elecraft] Contest use of KRX3

[Guy, K2AV]

Now that I have the KRX3 installed and have been playing with it a bit... 

It is quite a new thing for me to have a sub RX that is useable as the run
RX or as an SO2V search & pounce RX with good selectivity.  I would be
interested in knowing how others have used the KRX3 in a CW contest.   

One specific question aside from the general question: if I am still working
the run frequency and have taken the sub RX off the run frequency (SO2V) for
mults, have a weak DX station in the sub RX narrow filter and I want to call
higher or lower to work the pile-up, can I use the XIT based upon the sub RX
frequency? If I do BSET and then XIT it just clears the BSET and does
nothing.  Can this be done from the K3 front panel or can it be done somehow
from a logging program with sent commands? 

73, Guy. 

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Re: [Elecraft] contest logging software

[Stephen W. Kercel]

Brian:

I cannot speak for MacOS, but following the advice of someone on the 
Elecraft list, I downloaded the N1MM logger for contest operation. It 
runs on Windows and works very easily with the K2 (including 
automatic capture of frequency and mode data). I was extremely happy 
with its effectiveness in the ARRL DX contest this past winter.


Two things for you to consider:

1) There are two flavors of logging programs, contest and general 
purpose. You want a contest style logger like N1MM for Field Day.


2) Do not try to send canned CW messages through the logging software 
via the PC/K2 interface. Due to timing problems, they will not come 
out right. Instead, use the WinKey keyer, which bypasses the PC/K2 
interface and actuates the keyer via a USB line. Practically all 
logging programs support WinKey.


73,

Steve Kercel
AA4AK

At 12:45 PM 4/28/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote:

I think I have mentioned that my students and I will be running our K2
for field day. I was wondering which logging software people have
used, especially if it interfaces to the K2 for getting frequency and
mode info. I would prefer software that runs on MacOS but we can use
Windows software. (Our Macs run both MacOS and Windows as the same
time.)

Thanks in advance.

BTW, thank you to everyone who responded to my queries about CW
operation. I really appreciate it.

Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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Re: [Elecraft] contest logging software

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

I think MacLoggerDX is the best and do many others (your milage may  
vary), but it's licensed - I don't know if you might get a discount.

see http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html

there is also Aether (http://www.aetherlog.com/index.html)

A list of lots of Mac software for Ham Radio is available at 
http://www.machamradio.com/

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

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On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:45, Brian Lloyd wrote:

I think I have mentioned that my students and I will be running our  
K2 for field day. I was wondering which logging software people have  
used, especially if it interfaces to the K2 for getting frequency  
and mode info. I would prefer software that runs on MacOS but we can  
use Windows software. (Our Macs run both MacOS and Windows as the  
same time.)


Thanks in advance.

BTW, thank you to everyone who responded to my queries about CW  
operation. I really appreciate it.


Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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Re: [Elecraft] contest logging software

[Lee (WW2DX)]

Brian,

Check out Tom's DL2RUM's page:

http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Home.html

There is RUMlog for everyday logging and RUMped for contesting.

73 de Lee
WW2DX


On Apr 28, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

I think I have mentioned that my students and I will be running our  
K2 for field day. I was wondering which logging software people have  
used, especially if it interfaces to the K2 for getting frequency  
and mode info. I would prefer software that runs on MacOS but we can  
use Windows software. (Our Macs run both MacOS and Windows as the  
same time.)


Thanks in advance.

BTW, thank you to everyone who responded to my queries about CW  
operation. I really appreciate it.


Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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Re: [Elecraft] Contest this weekendw

[vze3v8dt]

Rules should be available on the ARRL website since it is an ARRL sponsored 
event.  

Yup, here it is:

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2006/novss.html

Fun event, one of my favorites every year.  Unfortunately I've usually got 
something else going on the weekend of the CW event, but I put in a pretty good 
effort on the Phone event last year (QRP).  

72 & good luck!

Mark, NK8Q


>From: "Paul Gates, KD3JF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2006/11/02 Thu AM 06:37:57 CST
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Contest this weekendw

>Can anyone tell me where I can find the rules for the SS
>for this weekend?
>Paul, KD3JF
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest this weekendw

[Tom Hammond]

Hi Paul:


Can anyone tell me where I can find the rules for the SS
for this weekend?
Paul, KD3JF



Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2006/novss.html

Entry Forms: (ASCII) http://www.arrl.org/contests/forms/sscw.frm.html
   (PDF) http://www.arrl.org/contests/forms/sscw.pdf

Log Sheets:(PDF) http://www.arrl.org/contests/forms/novsslog.pdf

Havew fun.

73,

Tom   N0SS


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest RST reports

[Hank Garretson]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:17 PM, ERIC MANNING  wrote:

If you want an accurate signal report, the place to go is RBN
> http://www.reversebeacon.net/main.php
>

Skimmer and RBN are many wonderful things, but I'm not sure they are
signal-level "accurate." The signal level Skimmer gives you is SNR.

1. Noise levels will vary among different Skimmers.

2. Noise level will vary over time (both short- and long-term) for an
individual skimmer.

Ski Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX

Mammoth Lakes, California

Elevation 8083 feet in John Muir's Range of Light
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest RST reports

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

All true, Hank.  You can't get an absolute signal report, particularly 
given the wide variation in antenna systems, preamps, and so on.  OTOH, 
if you want to compare your signal to a given Skimmer over time, or with 
another station, the Signal Comparison Tool on the RBN web site will 
give you data that are averaged among multiple spots by a given 
Skimmer.  Multiple data points go a long way toward averaging out the 
effects of QRM or QRN on the SNR of a particular Skimmer.

73, Pete N4ZR
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spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and
arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


On 2/20/2012 7:47 PM, Hank Garretson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:17 PM, ERIC MANNING  wrote:
>
> If you want an accurate signal report, the place to go is RBN
>> http://www.reversebeacon.net/main.php
>>
> Skimmer and RBN are many wonderful things, but I'm not sure they are
> signal-level "accurate." The signal level Skimmer gives you is SNR.
>
> 1. Noise levels will vary among different Skimmers.
>
> 2. Noise level will vary over time (both short- and long-term) for an
> individual skimmer.
>
> Ski Exuberantly,
>
> Hank, W6SX
>
> Mammoth Lakes, California
>
> Elevation 8083 feet in John Muir's Range of Light
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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones

[Fred Jensen]

Actually, entire bands have been declared "contest-free" by general 
agreement among hams, worldwide.  30, 17, and 12 meters have been 
contest-free from their beginnings in 1979.  30 is a lot like 40, albeit 
CW/RTTY/Digital-only for most of the world except Region 1 south of the 
equator in places.  17 behaves a lot like 20, and 12 is a pleasant 
mixture of 15 and 10, often open when 10 isn't these days.  The Summits 
On The Air crowd [QRP in the field] is slowly increasing usage on these 
WARC bands.  I'd venture a guess that if additional HF bands were ever 
to be authorized, we make them contest-free too by agreement between all 
of us.


When the 60 meter channels came along, they too are contest-free, and 
there's no contesting in the allocations below 160, although ERP limits 
at 137 KHz and likely around the Holy Frequency if that ever happens 
puts a damper on contesting there anyway. :-)


All of our allocations are shared, both in the frequency domain and in 
the time domain, no one has claim to any frequency.  Admittedly, there 
are those who don't believe that, but if you got there first and it was 
empty, you have the right to use the frequency.  Intentional 
interference is prohibited although you'd never know that in the 
14230-14236 range.


Even The Old Man was complaining about "Rotten QRM" well before anyone 
at Elecraft was born.  All in all, I think we share the bands pretty 
well.  Contests do have the distinct advantage of really populating 
bands that otherwise would give regulators and those coveting yet more 
spectrum the impression that our bands are unused.  And yes, the ARRL 
Operating Manual was separated from the Handbook when operating became 
more complex and with more choices.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org

On 3/21/2013 1:21 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:



It would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off
limits” for contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band
in areas that General/Tech class people or higher could use during
the “tests”.


You've got to be kidding - particularly on 80/40 meter CW and data.
With the most recent "land grab" by phone there is less than 50 KHz
for US data operations.  On 40, the area between 7100 and 7150 is
almost completely void of CW/RTTY contest activity even in CQWW -
the most crowded of all contests.


even if ARRL doesn’t care anymore. (They no longer put the “Operating
an Amateur Station” chapter in the “Handbook” anymore!)


That's because it has been expanded to an entire book:
 The ARRL Operating Manual (now in the 10th Edition)
http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-Operating-Manual-10th-Edition/




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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones

[Gary Gregory]

Good analysis Fred.

73

Gary
Vk1ZZ
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On 22/03/2013 8:43 AM, "Fred Jensen"  wrote:

> Actually, entire bands have been declared "contest-free" by general
> agreement among hams, worldwide.  30, 17, and 12 meters have been
> contest-free from their beginnings in 1979.  30 is a lot like 40, albeit
> CW/RTTY/Digital-only for most of the world except Region 1 south of the
> equator in places.  17 behaves a lot like 20, and 12 is a pleasant mixture
> of 15 and 10, often open when 10 isn't these days.  The Summits On The Air
> crowd [QRP in the field] is slowly increasing usage on these WARC bands.
>  I'd venture a guess that if additional HF bands were ever to be
> authorized, we make them contest-free too by agreement between all of us.
>
> When the 60 meter channels came along, they too are contest-free, and
> there's no contesting in the allocations below 160, although ERP limits at
> 137 KHz and likely around the Holy Frequency if that ever happens puts a
> damper on contesting there anyway. :-)
>
> All of our allocations are shared, both in the frequency domain and in the
> time domain, no one has claim to any frequency.  Admittedly, there are
> those who don't believe that, but if you got there first and it was empty,
> you have the right to use the frequency.  Intentional interference is
> prohibited although you'd never know that in the 14230-14236 range.
>
> Even The Old Man was complaining about "Rotten QRM" well before anyone at
> Elecraft was born.  All in all, I think we share the bands pretty well.
>  Contests do have the distinct advantage of really populating bands that
> otherwise would give regulators and those coveting yet more spectrum the
> impression that our bands are unused.  And yes, the ARRL Operating Manual
> was separated from the Handbook when operating became more complex and with
> more choices.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 3/21/2013 1:21 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>>
>>  It would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off
>>> limits” for contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band
>>> in areas that General/Tech class people or higher could use during
>>> the “tests”.
>>>
>>
>> You've got to be kidding - particularly on 80/40 meter CW and data.
>> With the most recent "land grab" by phone there is less than 50 KHz
>> for US data operations.  On 40, the area between 7100 and 7150 is
>> almost completely void of CW/RTTY contest activity even in CQWW -
>> the most crowded of all contests.
>>
>>  even if ARRL doesn’t care anymore. (They no longer put the “Operating
>>> an Amateur Station” chapter in the “Handbook” anymore!)
>>>
>>
>> That's because it has been expanded to an entire book:
>>  The ARRL Operating Manual (now in the 10th Edition)
>> http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-**Operating-Manual-10th-Edition/
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[K2GN]

Won't you get better participation in one on e the "Contest" forums??
This is not an Elecraft related topic.
I'm sure the contest population would have a lot to say.
I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment.
I don't care to weed through all the none Elecraft related message.
Larry/K2GN




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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[tnnyswy]

EASY, Larry! Elecraft Radios do participates in Contest as well. 
A little bit of tolerance with a spoon full of Sugar makes the medicine go down.

>>> I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment. <<< 

So does most of us just like you do own and use Elecraft equipment. 
Some only use their K3 for Contesting because of the Quality that goes into 
and along with the radio.

Let us all get along.

73 Milverton.







>
> From: K2GN 
>To: Elecraft   
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones
> 
>Won't you get better participation in one on e the "Contest" forums??
>This is not an Elecraft related topic.
>I'm sure the contest population would have a lot to say.
>I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment.
>I don't care to weed through all the none Elecraft related message.
>Larry/K2GN
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I'm not a contester, but I want to know where they are, what they do, 
and when I can steer clear of a contest and enjoy my KX3.


I've been licensed for a few decades, but QRP is new.

Digital modes aren't.  I was on autostart in the '70's and early 80's.

-- Lynn

On 3/21/2013 5:58 PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:

EASY, Larry! Elecraft Radios do participates in Contest as well.
A little bit of tolerance with a spoon full of Sugar makes the medicine go down.


I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment. <<<


So does most of us just like you do own and use Elecraft equipment.
Some only use their K3 for Contesting because of the Quality that goes into
and along with the radio.

Let us all get along.

73 Milverton.









From: K2GN 
To: Elecraft  
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

Won't you get better participation in one on e the "Contest" forums??
This is not an Elecraft related topic.
I'm sure the contest population would have a lot to say.
I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment.
I don't care to weed through all the none Elecraft related message.
Larry/K2GN




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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[DBellW6AQ]

The contest free zones are called the WARC bands, and the KX3 operates well 
 on all of them.
 
73, Dave
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2013 6:20:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com writes:

I'm not  a contester, but I want to know where they are, what they do, 
and when I  can steer clear of a contest and enjoy my KX3.

I've been licensed for a  few decades, but QRP is new.

Digital modes aren't.  I was on  autostart in the '70's and early 80's.

-- Lynn

On 3/21/2013 5:58  PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:
> EASY, Larry! Elecraft Radios do  participates in Contest as well.
> A little bit of tolerance with a  spoon full of Sugar makes the medicine 
go down.
>
>>>> I  joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft equipment.  <<<
>
> So does most of us just like you do own and use  Elecraft equipment.
> Some only use their K3 for Contesting because of  the Quality that goes 
into
> and along with the radio.
>
>  Let us all get along.
>
> 73  Milverton.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>  ____
>> From: K2GN  
>> To: Elecraft   
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013  6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free  zones
>>
>> Won't you get better participation in one on e  the "Contest" forums??
>> This is not an Elecraft related  topic.
>> I'm sure the contest population would have a lot to  say.
>> I joined this forum because I own and use Elecraft  equipment.
>> I don't care to weed through all the none Elecraft  related message.
>>  Larry/K2GN
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Gary Smith]

For most of the contests out there I use this:

http://hornucopia.com/contestcal/weeklycont.php

Click on the contest on the left & it takes you to the info page of 
the contest group.

Gary
KA1J

> I'm not a contester, but I want to know where they are, what they
> do, 
> and when I can steer clear of a contest and enjoy my KX3.
> 
> I've been licensed for a few decades, but QRP is new.
> 
> Digital modes aren't.  I was on autostart in the '70's and early
> 80's.

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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones

[Jim Brown]

On 3/21/2013 3:42 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Actually, entire bands have been declared "contest-free" by general 
agreement among hams, worldwide.  30, 17, and 12 meters have been 
contest-free from their beginnings in 1979. 


Yes, and these bands are EXCELLENT for QRP, rag-chewing, digital modes, 
and back-packing because the QRM level is usually much lower and a lot 
can be done with simple antennas.


As to contesting -- the reason the bands are full during contests is 
that a LOT of hams are using them, and are using them very actively. A 
major contest will attract thousands of participants worldwide, and the 
more serious operators will often make several thousand contacts in a 
weekend with about half that many different stations.


By contrast, if you tune around the bands at times when a contest is NOT 
going on and count the QSOs, you'll find a tiny fraction of that 
number.  I've got pretty good antennas and a fairly quiet location, and 
I rarely hear more than a handful of signals at any given time on the 
CW/digital portions of 160 or 80 at night or on 40 during the day, and 
perhaps twice that number on 40 at night.  Likewise, I often call CQ at 
times when the bands are open and get no responses.


A major reason that the K3 and KX3 are so good is that the demands of 
contesters drove much of the design!


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Quite true that the WARC bands are "contest free" but many of those who
avoid contests are also those who love using old "boat anchor" gear that
does not cover those bands.

Since wall-to-wall almost-every-weekend contesting is something that evolved
over the last few decades, they quite reasonably ask why contesting isn't
limited to band segments or to the WARC bands, leaving the Ham bands they
have enjoyed for longer than many of us have been alive free of the QRM. 

Of course, only a few of those who operate boat anchors are likely to be
here on the Elecraft reflector, but this O.T. has had the privilege of
knowing many of them. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

The contest free zones are called the WARC bands, and the KX3 operates well
on all of them.
 
73, Dave
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Rich]

Sure do love driving my Edsel.  Wish there was a lane on the freeway 
that was left empty so I could take nice weekend drives without all 
those young speed demons racing along at 70 mph.




Rich
NU6T

On 3/21/2013 6:55 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Quite true that the WARC bands are "contest free" but many of those who
avoid contests are also those who love using old "boat anchor" gear that
does not cover those bands.

Since wall-to-wall almost-every-weekend contesting is something that evolved
over the last few decades, they quite reasonably ask why contesting isn't
limited to band segments or to the WARC bands, leaving the Ham bands they
have enjoyed for longer than many of us have been alive free of the QRM.

Of course, only a few of those who operate boat anchors are likely to be
here on the Elecraft reflector, but this O.T. has had the privilege of
knowing many of them.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:23 PM
To: k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

The contest free zones are called the WARC bands, and the KX3 operates well
on all of them.
  
73, Dave
  



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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Don Wilhelm]

Rich,

If you "press the pedal to the metal" a little bit more, that Edsel will 
easily go up to 80 mph and run rings around those 'speed demons'.  That 
is if you can afford the gasoline it takes to do that.  The Edsel was 
created in the era of 'muscle cars' and had an engine to match, so it 
can hold its own in the competition.  It may not be as nimble as some of 
today's cars, but it is superior in terms of raw horsepower.


I long for a replacement for my 1989 Mazda MX6 turbo, but it died after 
300,000 miles - the replacement 2008 Mazda3 handles almost as well, but 
lacks that turbo boost which made the MX6 a really "fun to drive" 
vehicle - it was really a Zoom-Zoom car.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/21/2013 10:49 PM, Rich wrote:
Sure do love driving my Edsel.  Wish there was a lane on the freeway 
that was left empty so I could take nice weekend drives without all 
those young speed demons racing along at 70 mph.





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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[Gary Gregory]

Don

As we get more mature (read old) we are supposed to slow downnot yearn
for "the need for speed" as mentioned in long ago movie:-)
73

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 22/03/2013 1:39 PM, "Don Wilhelm"  wrote:

> Rich,
>
> If you "press the pedal to the metal" a little bit more, that Edsel will
> easily go up to 80 mph and run rings around those 'speed demons'.  That is
> if you can afford the gasoline it takes to do that.  The Edsel was created
> in the era of 'muscle cars' and had an engine to match, so it can hold its
> own in the competition.  It may not be as nimble as some of today's cars,
> but it is superior in terms of raw horsepower.
>
> I long for a replacement for my 1989 Mazda MX6 turbo, but it died after
> 300,000 miles - the replacement 2008 Mazda3 handles almost as well, but
> lacks that turbo boost which made the MX6 a really "fun to drive" vehicle -
> it was really a Zoom-Zoom car.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/21/2013 10:49 PM, Rich wrote:
>
>> Sure do love driving my Edsel.  Wish there was a lane on the freeway that
>> was left empty so I could take nice weekend drives without all those young
>> speed demons racing along at 70 mph.
>>
>> 
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

[John Lemay]

I really, really, really wish that people would not drift so far from
Elecraft topics 

 

Thanks in anticipation

 

John G4ZTR

 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: 22 March 2013 03:38
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contest free zones

 

Rich,

If you "press the pedal to the metal" a little bit more, that Edsel will
easily go up to 80 mph and run rings around those 'speed demons'.  That
is if you can afford the gasoline it takes to do that.  The Edsel was
created in the era of 'muscle cars' and had an engine to match, so it
can hold its own in the competition.  It may not be as nimble as some of
today's cars, but it is superior in terms of raw horsepower.

I long for a replacement for my 1989 Mazda MX6 turbo, but it died after
300,000 miles - the replacement 2008 Mazda3 handles almost as well, but
lacks that turbo boost which made the MX6 a really "fun to drive"
vehicle - it was really a Zoom-Zoom car.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/21/2013 10:49 PM, Rich wrote:
> Sure do love driving my Edsel.  Wish there was a lane on the freeway
> that was left empty so I could take nice weekend drives without all
> those young speed demons racing along at 70 mph.
>
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Contest... cq sp?

[John D'Ausilio]

That was the Spartan Sprint .. http://www.arsqrp.com/

de w1rt

On 11/8/05, Clint Sprague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heard a bunch of stations last nite on 40CW calling
> CQ sp  test
> exchange was state & power(w)
> I searched all the contest listing but couldn't find
> a contest that was being run at this time.
> Anyone know what contest this was, and where I can
> find a good webpage listing all contest activity?
>
> 73,
> Clint
> WS1V
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Contest... cq sp?

[Bob Nielsen]

On Nov 8, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Clint Sprague wrote:


Heard a bunch of stations last nite on 40CW calling
CQ sp  test
exchange was state & power(w)
I searched all the contest listing but couldn't find
a contest that was being run at this time.
Anyone know what contest this was, and where I can
find a good webpage listing all contest activity?


That was the ARS Spartan Sprint.  A good comprehensive source of  
contest information is SM3CER's Contest Service at .


73,
Bob, N7XY


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[Elecraft] Contest win using K2

[chris meagher]

The Summerland Amateur Radio Club from Lismore has won the all-band 
all-mode multi-operator section of the Australia-wide John Moyle Field 
Day contest. The HF rig used was Elecraft K2 #3666 with Tokyo Hi-Power 
HL-200B amplifier.


Chris Meagher
VK2LCD
PO Box 61
Woodburn NSW  2472
Australia

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[Elecraft] Contest software for PDA etc.

[DL8MBS]

Hello,
I want to do a bit more portable qrp-contesting with my K2. When doing 
it up to 24 hours or more the power consumption of laptops to run the 
logging software will be an issue - I don´t like to carry >70 Ah for the 
logging hardware when the RF-hardware (K2) is done with less than 20 Ah. 
So I´m looking for contest software that can run on any of the devices 
like Palm, PDA, Pocket PC etc. It should be able to send CW (with serial 
numbers when needed), mark dupes per band and log the contacts (and 
allows a paddle still to be used for fills). No rig control needed 
neither gadgets like cluster, etc. Until now I found GOLog and K2logger 
by K0PC to look at them closer. Has anyone experiences with them or 
knows other software of that kind?

Many thanks in advance for any information and best 73, Chris

(www.dl8mbs.de)


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[Elecraft] contest rst/s meter reports

[ussv dharma]

I have to agreeit UPSETS me that almost every station gives 599 or 40/9 sig 
reports but asks for call signs three or four times.

My usual response"sorry, no qso with lids" and I change frequency.

Cranky? yes!, out of tune with the times?  Maybe!...but having been on the air 
steady for over 56 years, and being 75 years old...yep, that's me.  I give 
accurate "how I hear you" reports...many times that is enhance by the radio I 
am using, "communications" is the operative word.


Grandmaw Susan.

If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're 
headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM USSV 
DHARMA 


--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Gary Dezern  wrote:

> From: Gary Dezern 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
> To: "The Smiths" 
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" 
> Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 8:13 AM
> As this drifts further from the
> original topic...
> 
> I find it amusing that a station will ask me to repeat my
> callsign and name several times, and then give me a "59"
> report. 
> 
> I think I messed up several people over the weekend contest
> by giving them "5-7 08" reports instead of what they
> expected.  One station actually lost their "contest
> tempo" when I came back with "45 zone 8."  
> 
> Working back toward the original topic...
> 
> I generally give signal reports based on what I think the
> signal would be with the RF gain fully clockwise, and
> attenuator and preamp both turned off.  To me, that
> would be the "natural" and unmodified smeter reading. 
> (I've never given better than 57 on 10
> meters.)   This best meets my understanding
> of what that portion of the signal report should be:  A
> report of signal level as it is received by my rig (and not
> a signal level as my rig has modified it.)
> 
> Of course, I'm a "newbie" ham, so I'm probably doing it all
> wrong.
> 
> 73 - Gary / k3wow
> 
> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:21 PM, The Smiths wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Exactly!  
> > 
> > Regardless of the fact that in 1934 (as was indicated
> to me in off reflector email) we used to not use the meter
> for the S report, at some time (1970's when proper
> calibration and standardizations' came about) we were able
> to shift that OLD antiquated 1934's definition over to a
> STANDARDIZED S meter reading as part of the RST.  
> > 
> > Now R is  just that, Readability. How well can
> you copy someone.  S is Strength of the meter, which
> everyone should have set to the same approximate level, and
> T for quality of tone.
> > 
> > Some old habits die hard.  Not everything first
> invented in Ham radio has to be forced until the world
> ends.  Much to some peoples Chagrin, we DO evolve as
> ham radio operators.
> > 
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[Elecraft] contest reflections on K2 - addendum

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Hi all:

I was going to post this privately, but since I've received several
private (direct) comments in addition to the public postings, most
recently by Dave, G3YMC, I'm making it public, using up some
bandwidth, as I think this might benefit others.

1.  QSK.  This is user skill level dependent.  If you do 20 wpm or
less, the K2 QSK may be fine for you.  During contesting, I am going
at least 32-34 wpm, and not uncommonly at 40wpm.  At these speeds and
during a contest, I NEED to hear everything immediately (that is what
top-end contesting is about).  So not hearing between dits at "slow"
contest speeds of 32 wpm is an issue for me.  NOTE that I still used
the K2 despite that deficit because OVERALL, it is a great radio.  But
for someone used to real QSK, this is not real QSK.  Ask other serious
contesters and they will say the same.  For most K2 users, who are
clearly not serious contesters, this is not an issue at all.  Since
the K3 says "very much better QSK than the K2," I would easily assume
that the deficit is real and acknowledged.

2.  Stable power output.  I use multiple antennas PER BAND.  All are
resonant (monoband yagi's, Optibeam tribanders, and quads).  EXAMPLE:
During the WPX contest that took place this weekend I may have been
working Europe on my yagi pointed to EU (about 45 degree from NJ).  If
I hear a potential qso in South America (170 degrees), I simply turn
the antenna switch to my QUAD which is already pointed south.  When I
do that, the power output indicated on the K2 DRAMATICALLY changes.
It might go from 5 watts to 2 watts or to 15 watts!  I am not sure
why, but some of the "technical" guys explained it to me long ago
(something about how the power output is set [calculated] on the K2).
I cannot justify entering the qrp category of a contest if the radio
is running 15 out when qrp is defined as 5 out.  So whenever I change
antennas (which I do a million times during a contest), I have to hit
TUNE to make sure the power stays at qrp (goldie locks syndrome).
NOTE:  I do not have the internal antenna tuner.  I don't know that
would make a difference or not.  IF THIS IS NOT HOW THE RADIO SHOULD
WORK, PLEASE TELL ME!  W3FPR tells me that this IS how it works.

3.  AGC.  Using the K2 S meter, signals here range from zero S units
on the meter (even though atmospheric noise is supposed to be S1) to
40 or even 60 over 9 (all LEDs lit up).  A 40 over 9 signal is VERY
LOUD in the phones while S1 is not.  This has to be real because the
K3 provides tools to address this.  I assume (know) that this is how
the radio was designed.  Many contesters have commented (here) that
they like this aspect because it is easier to pick out the LOUD
signals in a big pileup.  Different strokes

AND FINALLY
I have been reminded that the K2 was not designed as contest
radio...that it simply ended up being so good in other aspects, that
it ended up being that way.  Agreed.  My comments were posted in
response to a recent number of reflector posts suggesting
"improvements" for the K2.  I doubt that any of these will be
addressed because the K2 is a fine radio the way it is and being a
serious contester puts me out of the main target market for the K2,
esp now with the K3 on the near horizon (which I have ordered).  But
if Lyle, Eric, Wayne, et all ever catch their breath, and if K2 users
want improvements, I thought I'd add my "contester-centric" dime.

SO IN CONCLUSION
The K2 is an awesome value and for all, including serious contesters.
At US$600 base, nobody expects it to be 100% perfect for all market
niches.  This is clearly the ABSOLUTE BEST VALUE going in ham radio.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] contest reflections on K2 - addendum

[Bill Tippett]

KR2Q:

>1.  QSK.  This is user skill level dependent.  If you do 20 wpm or
less, the K2 QSK may be fine for you.  During contesting, I am going
at least 32-34 wpm, and not uncommonly at 40wpm.

Hmmm...guess I should return the stack of plaques I've
won over the years since I have NEVER used QSK.  This includes
all 6 current USA records for CQ WW, ARRL DX and CQ WPX on
10m, both CW and SSB.  I also normally compare favorably with
the top USA multi-multi stations:

http://users.vnet.net/btippett/new_page_6.htm

>2.  Stable power output.  I use multiple antennas PER BAND.
So whenever I change antennas, I have to hit TUNE.

You need a peak-responding meter like a Mirage MP1.
No need to hit TUNE since it responds quite well to fast CW.

>3.  AGC.  Using the K2 S meter, signals here range from zero S units
on the meter (even though atmospheric noise is supposed to be S1) to
40 or even 60 over 9 (all LEDs lit up).  A 40 over 9 signal is VERY
LOUD in the phones while S1 is not.

Orion's flat AGC response was a major dislike
by operators at W8JI in multiop 160 contests.  Yaesu and
Ten-Tec have both now added Sloped AGC options to their
flat responses.  See K8ZOA's interesting results below:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-May/067727.html

As you said above..."different strokes".

73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] Contest software for PDA etc.

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Also try G4FON's QSO Diary - a simpler loggin program, here:
http://www.g4fon.net/QSO%20Diary.htm
--  
The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to  
choose

from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- )

On 4 Oct 2008, at 18:42, DL8MBS wrote:


Hello,
I want to do a bit more portable qrp-contesting with my K2. When  
doing it up to 24 hours or more the power consumption of laptops to  
run the logging software will be an issue - I don´t like to carry  
>70 Ah for the logging hardware when the RF-hardware (K2) is done  
with less than 20 Ah. So I´m looking for contest software that can  
run on any of the devices like Palm, PDA, Pocket PC etc. It should  
be able to send CW (with serial numbers when needed), mark dupes per  
band and log the contacts (and allows a paddle still to be used for  
fills). No rig control needed neither gadgets like cluster, etc.  
Until now I found GOLog and K2logger by K0PC to look at them closer.  
Has anyone experiences with them or knows other software of that kind?

Many thanks in advance for any information and best 73, Chris

(www.dl8mbs.de)


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest software for PDA etc.

[Simon (HB9DRV)]

What's wrong with the ASUS EEE PC and similar? They run off 12v and require 
minimal current.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

- Original Message - 
From: "DL8MBS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I want to do a bit more portable qrp-contesting with my K2. When doing
it up to 24 hours or more the power consumption of laptops to run the
logging software will be an issue - I don´t like to carry >70 Ah for the
logging hardware when the RF-hardware (K2) is done with less than 20 Ah. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Contest software for PDA etc.

[Nigel]

Have a look at CTR Remote.  
http://www.lynovation.com/

Works on windows mobile 5.I have used it with an Ipaq to drive my K2 via
the I/O interface.  Reads the frequency from the K2 and will control it as
well.  Works well for logging and has memories which can be set up for
keying

73,  Nigel ZL2DF



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Re: [Elecraft] Contest software for PDA etc.

[David Woolley (E.L)]

DL8MBS wrote:
So I´m looking for contest software that can run on any of the devices 
like Palm, PDA, Pocket PC etc. It should be able to send CW (with serial 
numbers when needed), mark dupes per band and log the contacts (and 
allows a paddle still to be used for fills). No rig control needed 


Be careful.  You could easily violate the assumptions that underly the 
power management on these devices, and run the battery down very 
quickly.  In particular, the tactic apparently used on some Windows 
keyers, to get accurate timing, would run the device continuously at 
full power.


Violating the power management assumptions may also violate the thermal 
management assumptions and result in either overheating, or the the 
procesor throttling back, to protect itself.


--
David Woolley
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Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio"

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Re: [Elecraft] contest reflections on K2 - addendum

[Jack Smith]

Doug:

You might find my measurements useful in understanding your K2's audio 
output with changes in RF input levels. 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/receiver_agc_curves.htm


Some receivers have an AGC curve that holds the audio output constant 
for 80 dB or more variation in input level, such as the Racal RA6790/GM. 
The K2's AGC does not have this flat-top characteristic. Rather, the 
audio output increases with RF input, but obviously not at a 1 dB : 1 dB 
rate.


Depending on whether you have the pre-amp on or off, the K2's audio 
changes as much as 40 dB over an input range from -120 dBm to -20 dBm. 
Under those operating conditions, the AGC works at about a 2.5 dB : 1 
dB, RF to audio change.


As you say, some folks like the AGC to hold the audio constant and 
others a K2-type action.



Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com





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Re: [Elecraft] contest reflections on K2 - addendum

[Jack Smith]

I said:


Depending on whether you have the pre-amp on or off, the K2's audio 
changes as much as 40 dB over an input range from -120 dBm to -20 dBm. 
Under those operating conditions, the AGC works at about a 2.5 dB : 1 
dB, RF to audio change.


I did not mean that statement to imply that the audio output to RF input 
transfer ratio remains constant throughout the 100 dB input range. It's 
definitely non-linear, as the curves at 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/receiver_agc_curves.htm demonstrate.


Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com





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Re: [Elecraft] contest reflections on K2 - addendum

[Tim Heasman]

Hi All,

Regarding the K2 qsk; in comparison to my TT Corsair II it sounds almost 
like semi break in to me.  However, I bought the K2 for portable operation, 
and it beats anything I have used in the past.


Tim

gm4lmh 


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[Elecraft] [CONTEST] CQC Great Colorado Snowshoe Run (corrected)

[Ken Newman]

N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar Correction:

CQC Great Colorado Snowshoe Run

WHEN: December 12, 2004 02:00 through 03:59 UTC (2 Hours)
   (Saturday evening, December 11, North America local time, 
19:00 - 20:59 Mountain)


http://www.cqc.org/contests/snow2004.htm

Ken Newman
Woodbury, NJ
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[Elecraft] Contest cw speed and a ham since 1952

[ussv dharma]

Peoples:
I operate from quite a few dx spotsI have been on the air steady since 
1952,,,call me old fashioned,call me crotchedy...BUTI never , ever 
answer or qso with a high speed cw station that does not slow down to my speed.

Yes I do 35wpm, but I prever 20.sorry, had to vent my spleen somewhere.

My, My, there are a lot of lids on the air todaybut then most of them do 
not know what lid refers to.

Susan (Old lady of 76 years)


If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're 
headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM USSV 
DHARMA 


--- On Sat, 6/19/10, Guy Olinger K2AV  wrote:

> From: Guy Olinger K2AV 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 4.03: "CW+" mode 
> (Ultra-fastbreak-in; VOX-CW up to 100 WPM)
> To: "The Smiths" 
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" 
> Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:09 AM
> For speeds that people can send with
> a bug (usually) the regular CW
> seems to work quite fine. CW plus is primarily intended to
> support
> very fast speeds, often heard now with operators sending
> with
> keyboards and other electronic keying devices.
> 
> Debouncing a bug to prevent false starts when someone has
> poor
> contacts on one side is not one of the design goals for CW
> plus I've
> heard passed about, though the buffering of keying circuits
> used in
> most transmitters now has a small amount of debouncing
> effect which
> has likely been hiding the glitch. This would include the
> regular CW
> of the K3.
> 
> With CW plus, however, that small false start has to be
> taken as
> legitimate, because pausing a small amount to "make sure"
> that the
> operator really means it, would make high speed CW sound
> jerky.  CW
> plus was made to faithfully reproduce the keying at very
> high speeds,
> and has to take the blip seriously.
> 
> Cleaning and proper adjustment of bug contacts were always
> needed in
> the day, because the condition you are talking about would
> result in
> scratchy keying...which was never blamed on the
> transmitter, only on
> the op who was not keeping his bug "greased".  The
> need is greater now
> because noone is keying the +100V or more found on the old
> open
> cathode circuits any more, and bad bug contacts will easier
> bother a
> mere 12 volts on the key, and bother 5 volts even worse.
> 
> 73, Guy.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:11 AM, The Smiths 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've noticed this as well.  For me it's a "Tick"
> sound EVERY time I hit the Dah side of my bug. Nothing on
> the dit side, regardless of the speed or preasure.
> >
> > I thought at first it was the force that I was using..
> So I tried pushing the lever slowly and carefully against
> the Dah contact, and it didn't make the sound.. So then I
> tried lighting my touch on the dah side while I was sending,
> and sure enough it was still there.
> >
> > So, I switched from my Begali Intrepid to my Vibroplex
> Original, and then I found that the ticking sound was GONE
> all together!  Now I'm competely confused.  What does the
> one dah side have that the other bug's doesn't??? Gold
> Contacts? A bad ground connection? More surface contact
> area, a larger area? You tell me.
> >
> >
> >
> > I LOVE the new QSK (QRQ), but if I had to deal with
> that Tick sound on the dah contact, I would just not use it.
> Shame.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:37:18 -0700
> >> From: drew...@verizon.net
> >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev.
> 4.03: "CW+" mode (Ultra-fastbreak-in; VOX-CW up to 100 WPM)
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, I noticed this on my bug also. This happens
> almost entirely on
> >> characters that start with a 'dah'. I think this
> is because the index finger
> >> is off the paddle between characters and the
> initial attack is a little more
> >> forceful. Subsequent dahs in the same character
> sound fine, but that first
> >> one has a 'tick' (a spike by the sound of it). No
> problem at all with the
> >> dits.
> >>
> >> BTW, I don't think this is a matter of bug
> adjustment; you can get the same
> >> effect by tapping down on a straight key from a
> slight distance. So it is a
> >> matter of technique. I can avoid it on the bug by
> keeping my index finger
> >> resting against the paddle all the time and
> avoiding that first hard strike,
> >> but can't send as well that way; maybe with
> practice...
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Drew
> >> AF2Z
> >
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[Elecraft] Contest CW speed and a ham since 1952

[joe living]

Susan... great to see your post on the Elecraft reflector. We have worked each 
other over the years, the last time with you in Honolulu on 12 June 2010. A few 
years ago we chatted when you were moored in Hilo. Do you have a website so we 
can keep track of your comings and goings? Does the K3 perform well at sea?
 
Joe KH6/W3GW and Maria
Wailuku, Maui
 
in response to
Message: 21
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:53:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: ussv dharma 
Subject: [Elecraft] Contest cw speed and a ham since 1952
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Message-ID: <483515.56010...@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Peoples:
I operate from quite a few dx spotsI have been on the air steady since 
1952,,,call me old fashioned,call me crotchedy...BUTI never , ever 
answer or qso with a high speed cw station that does not slow down to my speed.

Yes I do 35wpm, but I prever 20.sorry, had to vent my spleen somewhere.

My, My, there are a lot of lids on the air todaybut then most of them do 
not know what lid refers to.

Susan (Old lady of 76 years)


  
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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones (was: Is ham radio a sport ??)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

It would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off
limits” for contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band
in areas that General/Tech class people or higher could use during
the “tests”.


You've got to be kidding - particularly on 80/40 meter CW and data.
With the most recent "land grab" by phone there is less than 50 KHz
for US data operations.  On 40, the area between 7100 and 7150 is
almost completely void of CW/RTTY contest activity even in CQWW -
the most crowded of all contests.


even if ARRL doesn’t care anymore. (They no longer put the “Operating
an Amateur Station” chapter in the “Handbook” anymore!)


That's because it has been expanded to an entire book:
The ARRL Operating Manual (now in the 10th Edition)
http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-Operating-Manual-10th-Edition/

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/21/2013 3:54 PM, Sandy Blaize wrote:

Bill,

AGREED!  Also don’t forget about 60 meters!  A lot of people miss a “good bet” 
to contact some of the people they usually work on 80 or 40 meters when those 
bands are jammed packed on weekends with contesting!  Unfortunately, for the 
most part, you can’t work 60 with old boatanchor gear.  It is even more useful 
now that they have allocated a “new channel 3” instead of the one that always 
seemed in government use.

Even though there is no contesting on WARC bands, there are times the 
propagation isn’t right for some areas you
normally work on 80/40/20 meters  (especially 80/40 for short skip stuff).  It 
would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off limits” for 
contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band in areas that 
General/Tech class people or higher could use during the “tests”.  I queried 
ARRL about it a couple of times.  The ARRL Official Observers could be 
reporting those stations and times that the “violations” occurred.  If you got 
more than say 5 contacts in the “off limits” segments, You could have you 
entire log disqualified.  The “segments could be small, say 10-15 khz max.and 
leave a hole for those needing to work buddies across the continent.  I didn’t 
even get an answer from them about this.

What operating courtesy existed 20+ years ago and the use of calling protocols 
during CW contacts has almost ceased to exist now.  Some of the “no coders” ARE 
trying, so it’s up to us old timers to “educate” them about on the air 
politeness, even if ARRL doesn’t care anymore.  (They no longer put the 
“Operating an Amateur Station” chapter in the “Handbook” anymore!)

Most of the “newbies” I have QSOed are willing to learn, but seem to be 
mimicking the techniques of the “hit and run” techniques used by the hard core 
contesters, most of which has no place in a casual polite  QSO!

Just my 2 cents worth from someone that’s pounded a key since 1951.  All my 
stern “Elmers” are “SK” now I’m afraid.  Sometimes they had stern words for us 
beginners back then.

73,

Sandy W5TVW

From: Bill Gerth
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:27 AM
To: Sandy Blaize
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is ham radio a sport ??

Sandy,

Actually, ALL WARC BANDS (30, 17, 12 meters) are already off limits to contest 
activity.  This is strictly enforced by contest organizers by rejecting any 
QSOs submitted for those bands.  Although I am a contester, I don't enter every 
contest.  The WARC bands offer a wide variety of propagation characteristics 
and I really enjoy using them.

73,

BILL GERTH, W4RK
Jefferson City, MO
First Licensed 1954
CWOPS #459
4 States QRP Group
KX3 (S/N 112)

On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Sandy Blaize wrote:


   TOO MUCH, especially on weekends!   Shouldn't there be a small segment of the bands 
set aside for "non contest" use?  Or would this be asking too much??

   73,
   Sandy W5TVW



   -Original Message- From: Scott Manthe
   Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:05 PM
   To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is ham radio a sport ??

   Many contesters consider contesting "radiosport."

   73,
   Scott, N9AA


   On 3/20/13 8:44 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:

 The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a

 sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it

 interesting reading, maybe some others will also...



 <

 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1002473/index.htm


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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones (was: Is ham radio a sport ??)

[Gil G.]

On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 16:21 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > It would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off
> > limits” for contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band
> > in areas that General/Tech class people or higher could use during
> > the “tests”.
> 
> You've got to be kidding - particularly on 80/40 meter CW and data.
> With the most recent "land grab" by phone there is less than 50 KHz
> for US data operations.  On 40, the area between 7100 and 7150 is
> almost completely void of CW/RTTY contest activity even in CQWW -
> the most crowded of all contests.

[RANT]
If only the contesters would remain off QRP calling frequencies.. But
no, they park for hours on end there, calling non-stop with only two
seconds between calls.. All week-end! My hobby doesn't encroach on
theirs, why do they have to keep me off the bands? 7100-7150 free of
contests? That's news to me. I guess nobody has told these guys either..
I know, 30 and 17m... So I am pushed out of my favorite bands to others
for which I don't have an antenna set-up, and in most cases, my rigs
don't cover.. I'm not asking for much, just stay off a few frequencies..
Common decency.. [/RANT]

Can you tell I hate contests?

Gil.

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Re: [Elecraft] COntest free zones (was: Is ham radio a sport ??)

[Gary Gregory]

Contests can often help you get that much sought after entity...:-)

73

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 22/03/2013 6:33 AM, "Gil G."  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 16:21 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > > It would be helpful to have a small section of the bands “off
> > > limits” for contesting on the CW-data and SSB segments of each band
> > > in areas that General/Tech class people or higher could use during
> > > the “tests”.
> >
> > You've got to be kidding - particularly on 80/40 meter CW and data.
> > With the most recent "land grab" by phone there is less than 50 KHz
> > for US data operations.  On 40, the area between 7100 and 7150 is
> > almost completely void of CW/RTTY contest activity even in CQWW -
> > the most crowded of all contests.
>
> [RANT]
> If only the contesters would remain off QRP calling frequencies.. But
> no, they park for hours on end there, calling non-stop with only two
> seconds between calls.. All week-end! My hobby doesn't encroach on
> theirs, why do they have to keep me off the bands? 7100-7150 free of
> contests? That's news to me. I guess nobody has told these guys either..
> I know, 30 and 17m... So I am pushed out of my favorite bands to others
> for which I don't have an antenna set-up, and in most cases, my rigs
> don't cover.. I'm not asking for much, just stay off a few frequencies..
> Common decency.. [/RANT]
>
> Can you tell I hate contests?
>
> Gil.
>
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[Elecraft] [CONTEST] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Oct 15 - Nov 13, 2005

[Ken Newman]

 
~~~
N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR  
Oct 15 - Nov 13, 2005
~~~
Worked All Germany Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Oct 15, 1500z  to Oct 16, 1459z
Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcgr.htm
~~~
RSGB 21/28 MHz Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 16, 0700z to 1900z
Rules: http://www.contesting.co.uk/hfcc/rules/r2128.shtml
~~~
Illinois QSO Party (CW/PH)... QRP Category  
Oct 16, 1700z to Oct 17, 0100z
Rules: http://my.core.com/~jematz/ilqp/ilqso05.html
~~~
RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST! ***
Oct 17, 0100z to 0300z
Rules: http://fpqrp.com
~~~
QRP ARCI Fall QSO Party (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
Oct 22, 1200z to Oct 23, 2400z
Rules: http://www.qrparci.org
~~~
070 Club 160m Great Pumpkin Sprint (PSK) ... QRP Category
Oct 23, 2000 to Oct 24, 0200 (Local Time)
Rules: http://podxs.com/html/160_meter_sprint.html
~~~
40M QRP Fox Hunt will begin on Thursday, 10/27/05 and conclude on  3/9/06.
Details at http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/
~~~
Zombie Shuffle (CW) *** QRP CONTEST ***
Oct 28, Local Sundown to Local Midnight (Any 4 hour period)
Rules: http://www.zianet.com/QRP/
~~~
CQ WW DX Contest (SSB)  ... QRP Category
Oct 29, z to Oct 30, 2400z
Rules: http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/awards.html
~~~
Ten-Ten QSO Party (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 29, 0001z to Oct 30, 2359z
Rules: http://www.ten-ten.org/calendar.html
~~~
4th Annual Fists Coast to Coast Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 30, z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c05.html
~~~
ARCBS 2005 Spookfest (CW/SSB/PSK31) ... QRP Category
Oct 30, 1700z to Oct 31, 0300z
Rules: http://www.arcbs.org/ARCBSSpookfest2005.html
~~~
HA-QRP Contest (CW - 80 Meters) *** QRP Contest***
Nov 1, z to Nov 7, 2400z
Rules: http://www.radiovilag.hu/haqrp1.htm#32.
~~
Ukrainian DX Contest (CW/SSB/Dig) ... QRP Category
Nov 5, 1200z to Nov 6, 1200z
Rules: http://www.ucc.zp.ua/urdxc2005rules_eng.htm
~~
ARRL Sweepstakes (CW) ... QRP Category 
Nov 5, 2100z to Nov 7, 0300z
Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html?year=2005
~~
High Speed Club Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Nov 6, 0900z to 1100z and 1500z to 1700z
Rules: http://www.dl3bzz.de/html/hscconte.html
[last Sunday in February and first Sunday in November ]
~~
Adventure Radio Society - Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest***
Nov 8, 0200z to 0400z  (First Monday 9 PM EST)
Rules: http://www.arsqrp.com/
~~
WAE RTTY Contest (Digital)... 100W Category
Nov 12, z to Nov 13, 2359z
Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcwr.htm
~~
Japan International DX Contest (phone)... 100w category
Nov 12, 0700z to Nov 13, 1300z
Rules: http://je1cka.jzap.com//jidx/jidxrule-e.html
~~
OK/OM DX Contest (CW) ... QRP Category!
Nov 12, 1200z to Nov 13, 1200z 
Rules: http://okomdx.crk.cz/
~~

Thanks to SM3CER, WA7BNM, N0AX(ARRL), WB3AAL and others 
for assistance in compiling this calendar. 

Please foreward the contest info you sponsor to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
we will post it and give it more publicity.
Anyone may use this "N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar" for your website,
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72 de
Ken Newman - N2CQ 
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