Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Wayne Burdick]

Great story, Jim. Thanks.

10 m is amazing when it's open. I once worked Italy from Massachusetts mobile, 
driving up 495, running about 250 mW CW to a mag-mount whip about 3' long. The 
rig was homebrew, about 4x2x1", powered by a 9 V lithium battery. I would say 
"doesn't get much better than that," but every year I then get surprised by 
things that *are* better.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:14 AM, KK1W  wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> A small group of SOTA activators were on Burley Hill, W1/MR-002, September
> 30th, 2012 using the SOTA Jerks club call NE1SJ. Propagation was better in
> 2012 and toward the end of the activation I tuned around the 10 meter band
> with my KX3 looking for more contacts. Back then I was probably using a 41'
> end fed wire and it wasn't very high.
> 
> I found some strong RTTY signals, apparently a contest but I don't know
> which one. Remembering the KX3 could do RTTY with the paddles I quickly
> figured out how to make it work (well, maybe not so 'quickly' but it didn't
> take too long) and managed to work Marco, IK0YVV. I put another contact in
> my SOTA log and Marco logged another contest Q.
> 
> I think there were four of us on this activation (KX1X, N1FJ, K1MAZ and
> myself) and I'm sure everyone remembers working Italy on 10m RTTY, QRP that
> day.
> 
> Anyway, that was my only SOTA RTTY experience with KX3 #1124. I've made
> hundreds of SOTA contacts since but most are CW.
> 
> Still using my KX3, this year not many SOTA activations but it has had a
> workout in FD 2019 and 2020, 2A battery, QRP.
> 
> '73...
> Jim/KK1W
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I've made hundreds of Field Day and contest QSOs using RTTY on Elecraft
>> rigs, but I was wondering...has anyone tried RTTY on a SOTA outing?
>> 
> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[KK1W]

Wayne,

A small group of SOTA activators were on Burley Hill, W1/MR-002, September
30th, 2012 using the SOTA Jerks club call NE1SJ. Propagation was better in
2012 and toward the end of the activation I tuned around the 10 meter band
with my KX3 looking for more contacts. Back then I was probably using a 41'
end fed wire and it wasn't very high.

I found some strong RTTY signals, apparently a contest but I don't know
which one. Remembering the KX3 could do RTTY with the paddles I quickly
figured out how to make it work (well, maybe not so 'quickly' but it didn't
take too long) and managed to work Marco, IK0YVV. I put another contact in
my SOTA log and Marco logged another contest Q.

I think there were four of us on this activation (KX1X, N1FJ, K1MAZ and
myself) and I'm sure everyone remembers working Italy on 10m RTTY, QRP that
day.

Anyway, that was my only SOTA RTTY experience with KX3 #1124. I've made
hundreds of SOTA contacts since but most are CW.

Still using my KX3, this year not many SOTA activations but it has had a
workout in FD 2019 and 2020, 2A battery, QRP.

'73...
Jim/KK1W





> I've made hundreds of Field Day and contest QSOs using RTTY on Elecraft
> rigs, but I was wondering...has anyone tried RTTY on a SOTA outing?
>

> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>






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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Dave Fugleberg]

A few weeks ago, I was playing with my KX2 and tuning around on 20m when I
ran across a RTTY signal. It was a special event station. I worked them
with the paddle on the KX2.
I wouldn’t want to work RTTY all day that way, but it does get the job done
without a PC, and RTTY outside of contests does happen from time to time!
73 de W0ZF


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 7:04 PM Adrian  wrote:

> Jim, Yes tough to find RTTY on the bands now. I have had to setup skeds
>
> via RTTY online groups/clubs to
>
>
>
> get a RTTY session. Also Gabe VK2LGS please PM (good on qrz re vk4tux
>
> email), for a RTTY contact if interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Adrian Fewster
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19/8/20 8:44 am, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> > On 8/17/2020 6:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
> >> RTTY is the easiest to use, for three reasons -- assuming you have a
>
> >> KX3 or KX2:
>
> >
>
> > That's the easy part. The hard part is finding someone to work, except
>
> > during RTTY contests, and contesters are not going to be happy with
>
> > RTTY sent that way. :)
>
> >
>
> > 73, Jim K9YC
>
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Adrian]

Jim, Yes tough to find RTTY on the bands now. I have had to setup skeds 
via RTTY online groups/clubs to


get a RTTY session. Also Gabe VK2LGS please PM (good on qrz re vk4tux 
email), for a RTTY contact if interested.



Adrian Fewster


On 19/8/20 8:44 am, Jim Brown wrote:

On 8/17/2020 6:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
RTTY is the easiest to use, for three reasons -- assuming you have a 
KX3 or KX2:


That's the easy part. The hard part is finding someone to work, except 
during RTTY contests, and contesters are not going to be happy with 
RTTY sent that way. :)


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Jim Brown]

On 8/17/2020 6:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

RTTY is the easiest to use, for three reasons -- assuming you have a KX3 or KX2:


That's the easy part. The hard part is finding someone to work, except 
during RTTY contests, and contesters are not going to be happy with RTTY 
sent that way. :)


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Rick M0LEP]

On Tue 18 Aug Wayne Burdick wrote:
> If someone would like to experiment with this on a sked, I'd be happy
> to give it a go.

The 2020 SOTA Challenge is running different "Flavours" for the first
seven UTC days of each month this year. As luck would have it, the
flavour for September 1st-7th is datamodes. I'm pretty sure RTTY counts
there. :)

For more details see the announcement on the SOTA reflector at
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/sota-flavours-challenge-2020/21808

with more at
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/flavours-challenge-discussion/21953

and discussion of the previous datamodes week at
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/datamodes-challenge-flavour-1st-7th-february-2020/22009

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Wayne Burdick]

Yeah, Mike, there's something "magic" about it. Receive tuning isn't finicky. 
And when you send CW with the paddle, you get to hear both your CW sidetone as 
well as the FSK mark/space tones, 12 dB down :)

Wayne
N6KR

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> Wayne
> 
> I think doing RTTY is a good idea.  Speaking from someone who used to own a 
> Model 15 with Tube Terminal Unit!  :)
> 
> I still do RTTY today.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 9:27 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> No, this is not a trick question :)  And yes, I'm aware that most data mode 
> operation uses computer based modes like FT8 and JS9call these days. But read 
> on.
> 
> Of all the data modes available to ultralight adventures, RTTY is the easiest 
> to use, for three reasons -- assuming you have a KX3 or KX2:
> 
> - it's easy to tune in mark/space tones using the CWT display on the rig's LCD
> 
> - text decode appears immediately on the VFO B display -- no other gear 
> required
> 
> - paddle-sent CW gets converted to RTTY while in FSK-D mode
> 
> - no need for a computer, smartphone, etc. to do demodulation
> 
> The K3/K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have these RTTY and PSK modes built-in, at 
> multiple baud rates.
> 
> I've made hundreds of Field Day and contest QSOs using RTTY on Elecraft rigs, 
> but I was wondering...has anyone tried RTTY on a SOTA outing? 
> 
> If someone would like to experiment with this on a sked, I'd be happy to give 
> it a go.
> 
> I also have the vague notion that slower, nonstandard RTTY might be fun to 
> experiment with to improve SNR and reduce bit error rate during fading. 
> Thoughts on this topic would be welcome. It would be easy to add such a mode 
> to our KX line.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY for SOTA?

[Michael Walker]

Wayne

I think doing RTTY is a good idea.  Speaking from someone who used to own a
Model 15 with Tube Terminal Unit!  :)

I still do RTTY today.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 9:27 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> No, this is not a trick question :)  And yes, I'm aware that most data
> mode operation uses computer based modes like FT8 and JS9call these days.
> But read on.
>
> Of all the data modes available to ultralight adventures, RTTY is the
> easiest to use, for three reasons -- assuming you have a KX3 or KX2:
>
> - it's easy to tune in mark/space tones using the CWT display on the rig's
> LCD
>
> - text decode appears immediately on the VFO B display -- no other gear
> required
>
> - paddle-sent CW gets converted to RTTY while in FSK-D mode
>
> - no need for a computer, smartphone, etc. to do demodulation
>
> The K3/K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have these RTTY and PSK modes built-in, at
> multiple baud rates.
>
> I've made hundreds of Field Day and contest QSOs using RTTY on Elecraft
> rigs, but I was wondering...has anyone tried RTTY on a SOTA outing?
>
> If someone would like to experiment with this on a sked, I'd be happy to
> give it a go.
>
> I also have the vague notion that slower, nonstandard RTTY might be fun to
> experiment with to improve SNR and reduce bit error rate during fading.
> Thoughts on this topic would be welcome. It would be easy to add such a
> mode to our KX line.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3

[Jim Rhodes]

Over the years I have built all of my interfaces. Started with
optoisolators but when trying to go SO2V I couldn't make them work with the
outputs paralleled.  Now I have 2 db9 serial plug with a single 2n & 1k
resistor in each, outputs paralleled into a db15hd for the acc on the K3.
PTT is via CAT. This is the simplest solution that I have found. I use I/O
usb to serial converters with 4 or 8 ports. Enough to run everything on
rs232. Only use usb for CAT and sound. This is the least number of cables
and connections I have used, and I like how it works. Am really starting to
regret selling the house and moving into an apartment building though.

On Sun, May 24, 2020, 08:45 Bill Gillenwater  wrote:

> Thanks for the help on this. Found the problem. All working now. My eyes
> don’t work like they used to. The PTT side of my home brew switching box
> was not working. Re-solder and all good.
>
> 73 Bill K3SV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 24, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Ed W0YK  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > CAT and FSK/PTT must be on separate COM ports.
> >
> > 73,
> > Ed W0YK
> >
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Nr4c 
> > Date: 5/23/20 22:33 (GMT-08:00)
> > To: k...@pa.net
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3
> >
> > I think you need another program to make this work. It intercepts the
> serial port for the FSK/PTT and makes it all work together.
> >
> > I use 2-Tone instead of myth and seem to get by with just it and n1mm.
> >
> > For interface I use my WINKEYER-USB with the latest firmware. I use a
> “Y” adapter in the KEY line. The second line goes to K3/Acc2 FSK pin.
> “Diddles” go to FSK and “Dit-Dahs” go to CW.  works well.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ...nr4c. bill
> >
> >
> > > On May 24, 2020, at 1:14 AM, "k...@pa.net"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am fairly new to the K3 but have no problems setting up N1MM and
> other software, getting things to work properly. My problem is I cannot get
> RTTY to send/TX. I have made a homebrew interface with optoisolators for
> both the FSK line and the PTT line. I'm going from a separate serial port,
> pins 3 and 7, for FSK and PTT, to the Assy(15 pin) connector. To pins 1 for
> FSK, 4 for PTT and 5 for ground.
> > >
> > > When I run MMTTY I cannot get the rig to key. If I switch to SSB or CW
> and use the CAT line to work the PTT, no problem. If I switch to RTTY and
> try to use the CAT line it will not key the TX. I've tried a variety of
> setting in MMTTY and get no TX. I have a 1000MP set up with a similar
> homebrew interface and have no issues.
> > >
> > > Can anyone shed some help on me?
> > >
> > > 73 Bill K3SV
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3

[Bill Gillenwater]

Thanks for the help on this. Found the problem. All working now. My eyes don’t 
work like they used to. The PTT side of my home brew switching box was not 
working. Re-solder and all good. 

73 Bill K3SV 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Ed W0YK  wrote:
> 
> 
> CAT and FSK/PTT must be on separate COM ports.
> 
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Nr4c 
> Date: 5/23/20 22:33 (GMT-08:00)
> To: k...@pa.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3
> 
> I think you need another program to make this work. It intercepts the serial 
> port for the FSK/PTT and makes it all work together. 
> 
> I use 2-Tone instead of myth and seem to get by with just it and n1mm. 
> 
> For interface I use my WINKEYER-USB with the latest firmware. I use a “Y” 
> adapter in the KEY line. The second line goes to K3/Acc2 FSK pin. “Diddles” 
> go to FSK and “Dit-Dahs” go to CW.  works well. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On May 24, 2020, at 1:14 AM, "k...@pa.net"  wrote:
> > 
> > I am fairly new to the K3 but have no problems setting up N1MM and other 
> > software, getting things to work properly. My problem is I cannot get RTTY 
> > to send/TX. I have made a homebrew interface with optoisolators for both 
> > the FSK line and the PTT line. I'm going from a separate serial port, pins 
> > 3 and 7, for FSK and PTT, to the Assy(15 pin) connector. To pins 1 for FSK, 
> > 4 for PTT and 5 for ground.
> > 
> > When I run MMTTY I cannot get the rig to key. If I switch to SSB or CW and 
> > use the CAT line to work the PTT, no problem. If I switch to RTTY and try 
> > to use the CAT line it will not key the TX. I've tried a variety of setting 
> > in MMTTY and get no TX. I have a 1000MP set up with a similar homebrew 
> > interface and have no issues.
> > 
> > Can anyone shed some help on me?
> > 
> > 73 Bill K3SV
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3

[Ed W0YK]

CAT and FSK/PTT must be on separate COM ports.73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Nr4c  Date: 5/23/20 
 22:33  (GMT-08:00) To: k...@pa.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: 
[Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3 I think you need another program to make this 
work. It intercepts the serial port for the FSK/PTT and makes it all work 
together. I use 2-Tone instead of myth and seem to get by with just it and 
n1mm. For interface I use my WINKEYER-USB with the latest firmware. I use a “Y” 
adapter in the KEY line. The second line goes to K3/Acc2 FSK pin. “Diddles” go 
to FSK and “Dit-Dahs” go to CW.  works well. Sent from my iPhone...nr4c. bill> 
On May 24, 2020, at 1:14 AM, "k...@pa.net"  wrote:> > I am fairly 
new to the K3 but have no problems setting up N1MM and other software, getting 
things to work properly. My problem is I cannot get RTTY to send/TX. I have 
made a homebrew interface with optoisolators for both the FSK line and the PTT 
line. I'm going from a separate serial port, pins 3 and 7, for FSK and PTT, to 
the Assy(15 pin) connector. To pins 1 for FSK, 4 for PTT and 5 for ground.> > 
When I run MMTTY I cannot get the rig to key. If I switch to SSB or CW and use 
the CAT line to work the PTT, no problem. If I switch to RTTY and try to use 
the CAT line it will not key the TX. I've tried a variety of setting in MMTTY 
and get no TX. I have a 1000MP set up with a similar homebrew interface and 
have no issues.> > Can anyone shed some help on me?> > 73 Bill K3SV> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3

[Larry (K8UT)]

Bill,

You could begin by breaking the problem in half - test at the output of 
the optoisolators.


Front Half - Test what's coming from N1MM and MMTTY:
Put a scope or meter on the PTT line and click [TX] in MMTTY. Does the 
line go low and stay low for the duration of TX?Put a scope or meter on 
the FSK line and click [TX] in MMTTY. Does the line toggle at 15ms RTTY 
intervals? With a meter the voltage would drop, indicating lower average 
voltage - but something would be different between RX and TX.
>If this doesn't work, first place to check is the MMTTY >Options >Setup 
>TX, "PTT and FSK" and >MISC, "Tx Port"


Back Half - Test whether the K3 is sending RTTY:
Use a clip lead to short the optoisolator PTT output to ground. Does the 
K3 go to TX?While the K3 is still in TX, use a second clip lead to short 
the optoisolator FSK output to ground. Does the TX monitor tone shift?

-larry (K8UT)

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Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3


I am fairly new to the K3 but have no problems setting up N1MM and  other 
software, getting things to work properly. My problem is I  cannot get RTTY to 
send/TX. I have made a homebrew interface with  optoisolators for both the FSK 
line and the PTT line. I'm going from a  separate serial port, pins 3 and 7, 
for FSK and PTT, to the Assy(15  pin) connector. To pins 1 for FSK, 4 for PTT 
and 5 for ground.

When I run MMTTY I cannot get the rig to key. If I switch to SSB or CW  and use 
the CAT line to work the PTT, no problem. If I switch to RTTY  and try to use 
the CAT line it will not key the TX. I've tried a  variety of setting in MMTTY 
and get no TX. I have a 1000MP set up with  a similar homebrew interface and 
have no issues.

Can anyone shed some help on me?

73 Bill K3SV

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problems on K3

[Nr4c]

I think you need another program to make this work. It intercepts the serial 
port for the FSK/PTT and makes it all work together. 

I use 2-Tone instead of myth and seem to get by with just it and n1mm. 

For interface I use my WINKEYER-USB with the latest firmware. I use a “Y” 
adapter in the KEY line. The second line goes to K3/Acc2 FSK pin. “Diddles” go 
to FSK and “Dit-Dahs” go to CW.  works well. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 24, 2020, at 1:14 AM, "k...@pa.net"  wrote:
> 
> I am fairly new to the K3 but have no problems setting up N1MM and other 
> software, getting things to work properly. My problem is I cannot get RTTY to 
> send/TX. I have made a homebrew interface with optoisolators for both the FSK 
> line and the PTT line. I'm going from a separate serial port, pins 3 and 7, 
> for FSK and PTT, to the Assy(15 pin) connector. To pins 1 for FSK, 4 for PTT 
> and 5 for ground.
> 
> When I run MMTTY I cannot get the rig to key. If I switch to SSB or CW and 
> use the CAT line to work the PTT, no problem. If I switch to RTTY and try to 
> use the CAT line it will not key the TX. I've tried a variety of setting in 
> MMTTY and get no TX. I have a 1000MP set up with a similar homebrew interface 
> and have no issues.
> 
> Can anyone shed some help on me?
> 
> 73 Bill K3SV
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[tomb18]

HiScore this as another wonderful MS 'feature'.Yes it is. Permissions are made 
to prevent unknowedgable users and programmers from writing to areas which are 
under control of the operating system... The error lies with the MTTY 
developers. It should be in app data, My documents or a folder that MTTY uses 
or creates. Not in program files. 73 Tom va2fsq.com 
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Rick WA6NHC <wa6...@gmail.com> Date: 
2018-03-17  3:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: 
[Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) 
It may depend on where the file is stored.  If under \programs(X86) that 
folder needs 'special' permission for software to write that the writers 
must include.  When that happens, it's best to install that type of 
program under \MMTTY which does not have the limitations for writing.

Score this as another wonderful MS 'feature'.

Rick nhc


On 3/17/2018 12:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. 
>
> I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is 
> saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if 
> you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Rick WA6NHC]

It may depend on where the file is stored.  If under \programs(X86) that 
folder needs 'special' permission for software to write that the writers 
must include.  When that happens, it's best to install that type of 
program under \MMTTY which does not have the limitations for writing.


Score this as another wonderful MS 'feature'.

Rick nhc


On 3/17/2018 12:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. 


I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is 
saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if 
you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken?


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Jim Brown]

On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. 


I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is 
saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if 
you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken?


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini.
Replace DefMarkFreq in *BOTH* files with your chosen MARK
(also "PITCH" in the K3 for AFSK_A and FSK_D).

There will be one instance of DefMarkFreq in MMTTY.ini and one
instance in each [Define  ] section (typically 10 sections -
Define0 - Define7 plus Define1025 and Define1026) in USERPARA.ini.
Note: some logging applications support 16 user configurations instead
of MMTTY's default of 8 - in those cases USERPARA.ini can have up to 18
Define sections!

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/17/2018 1:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
I prefer 915 Hz tones, and I ran into the same problem. I learned that 
there are several things I needed to change. First is to change the HAM 
default. This will work fine, UNTIL you choose another decoding 
algorithm, like Flutter, and MMTTY will switch back to 2125 Hz.


To really solve this, you need to edit the USERPARA.INI file. With MMTTY 
NOT running, open file with Notepad, Search and Replace 
DefMarkFreq=2.125000e+03  with DefMarkFreq=1.275000e+03, and save the file.


When you restart MMTTY, make sure that 1275 Hz is set, and also that the 
HAM Default is is 1275 Hz.


73, Jim K9YC


I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps
jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that?



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Jim Brown]

I prefer 915 Hz tones, and I ran into the same problem. I learned that 
there are several things I needed to change. First is to change the HAM 
default. This will work fine, UNTIL you choose another decoding 
algorithm, like Flutter, and MMTTY will switch back to 2125 Hz.


To really solve this, you need to edit the USERPARA.INI file. With MMTTY 
NOT running, open file with Notepad, Search and Replace 
DefMarkFreq=2.125000e+03  with DefMarkFreq=1.275000e+03, and save the file.


When you restart MMTTY, make sure that 1275 Hz is set, and also that the 
HAM Default is is 1275 Hz.


73, Jim K9YC


I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps
jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that?



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Martin Sole]

Rich, Jamie,

Many thanks, all good now.
It was AFSK A, just got confused as after exiting the menu it says DATA 
on the screen.


Of course it was (insert favourite name of some obscure person from 
history) law that I found out about NET shortly after posting. I guess I 
never needed that in the past as I had always used FSK. Will look into 
doing that with the K3 in future I think.


I now have it set at 915Hz as that sounds even better when trying to 
tune by ear. I'm not sure if there are any downsides to using lower 
tones but it does seem easier on the ears and to tune by.


Is there a way to set it to default to that? Honestly I've never dug 
that far into MMTTY. I'd like to set that up as part of my profile if it 
can be made to work that way.


Thanks
Martin, HS0ZED



On 17/03/2018 19:20, Richard Ferch wrote:

I'm not sure why you are using DATA A instead of AFSK A, but ...

If you don't want MMTTY to transmit on a different frequency from your
receive frequency, turn NET on - in AFSK, that will force the TX to follow
the RX. Also, you should tell MMTTY that your preferred frequency is 1275
Hz. To do this, set your HAM default to 1275.

A general rule for AFSK is: while S, turn NET on and AFC off; while
CQing, turn NET off and either turn AFC on or leave AFC off and use RIT
instead for off-frequency callers. Some software will switch the NET and
AfC settings for you automatically between run and S modes.

If you do use AFSK A instead of DATA A, you will have to change the K3's
PITCH setting to 1275-170 from the default 2125-170.

73,
Rich VE3KI


HS0ZED wrote:


MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and
transmit too provided I use 2125Hz.

I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps
jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that?

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Richard Ferch]

I'm not sure why you are using DATA A instead of AFSK A, but ...

If you don't want MMTTY to transmit on a different frequency from your
receive frequency, turn NET on - in AFSK, that will force the TX to follow
the RX. Also, you should tell MMTTY that your preferred frequency is 1275
Hz. To do this, set your HAM default to 1275.

A general rule for AFSK is: while S, turn NET on and AFC off; while
CQing, turn NET off and either turn AFC on or leave AFC off and use RIT
instead for off-frequency callers. Some software will switch the NET and
AfC settings for you automatically between run and S modes.

If you do use AFSK A instead of DATA A, you will have to change the K3's
PITCH setting to 1275-170 from the default 2125-170.

73,
Rich VE3KI


HS0ZED wrote:

> MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and
> transmit too provided I use 2125Hz.
>
> I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps
> jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that?
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?)

[Jamie WW3S]

It will transmit on high tones, 2125low tones, 1275 is for receive...no 
matter what receive tones are set, will always transmit on 2125, works fine.

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On Mar 16, 2018, 11:53 PM, at 11:53 PM, Martin Sole  wrote:
>Not sure where to go with this but hope someone here can advise.
>
>MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and 
>transmit too provided I use 2125Hz.
>
>I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps
>
>jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that?
>
>Thanks
>Martin, HS0ZED
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

Many USB to serial adapters do not work at slower speeds, and the FSK 
input to the K3 is at a slow speed (the baud rate for RTTY is slow).


The Edgeport USB to serial converters seem to work well at any speed (I 
have the 4 port converter).  Note that there is an apparent difference 
between "converter" and "adapter".


If you do not wish to purchase another adapter (converter), you might 
want to set the K3 up for AFSK-A and use your soundcard to both the K3 
LINE IN and LINE OUT - just set the audio levels as you would for any 
other soundcard data mode - 4 bars solid on the K3 ALC meter with the 
5th bar flashing.


Once the audio levels are set, you should not have to touch them during 
operation.  An external soundcard is best as long as it is not set to be 
the default soundcard in your computer - if it is, turn off any sounds 
from your Operating System.


You do have a soundcard that you are using for the RTTY decode, use the 
same one.


AFSK-A is as good as FSK-D, and may give even better IMD performance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:

Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked USB 
from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an opto-isolator 
adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and no keying is coming 
through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters. Seems I read somewhere 
there's a special one (expensive) that is the only one that will work?

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3

[Tox]

TrippLite Keyspan model USA-19HS should work, is about $25, has solid
drivers for both windows and mac, and can help you program arduinos if that
becomes interesting.

Tox
AD6YT

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

>
> Are you trying to use the USB to serial converter as a serial port
> (COM# in MMTTY's FSK & PTT Port) or are you using EXTFSK/EXTFSK64?
>
> I know of only one manufacturer of USB to serial converter ("Edgeport")
> that works at the serial rate required for standard RTTY.
>
> What version of MMMTTY are you trying to set up?   I recommend you
> download the most recent version of MMTTY (1.70K) and study the Help
> file information on FSK (with EXTFSK/EXTFSK64).
>
> 73,
>
>... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked
>> USB from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an
>> opto-isolator adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and
>> no keying is coming through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters.
>> Seems I read somewhere there's a special one (expensive) that is the only
>> one that will work?
>>
>> Tom, K4IE
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Are you trying to use the USB to serial converter as a serial port
(COM# in MMTTY's FSK & PTT Port) or are you using EXTFSK/EXTFSK64?

I know of only one manufacturer of USB to serial converter ("Edgeport")
that works at the serial rate required for standard RTTY.

What version of MMMTTY are you trying to set up?   I recommend you
download the most recent version of MMTTY (1.70K) and study the Help
file information on FSK (with EXTFSK/EXTFSK64).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:

Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked USB 
from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an opto-isolator 
adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and no keying is coming 
through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters. Seems I read somewhere 
there's a special one (expensive) that is the only one that will work?

Tom, K4IE
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Back in the 1950's Soviet Hams could not discuss anything but their rigs
(mostly homebrew) with us in the "west". So exchanges were short even
without a contest. And visiting friends in Cuba was off-limits for us
Americans. Still, I believe those contacts had a positive effect.

Just participating in the contest enhances international goodwill in a small
way.  

Yes, the internet and softening of relationships has changed the role Ham
contacts have, but they are still part of the international goodwill
equation. I submit that is true in its small way even of automated context
exchanges. 

And Ham contacts have changed too. Time was, a few weekends a year one might
find a contest in progress. Now it's hard to find a contest-free weekend on
the CW bands where I hang out. But that is what a great many Hams enjoy. 

Personally, as a rag-chewer, I have over the past 60+ years of pounding
brass made several life-long friends by Ham radio. Only a few I have managed
to visit personally since they are scattered world-wide. Most of the
memories are fixed by QSL cards - real paper cards sent via the "burro".
Others by a memento of a personal visit, such as the nice carved AC7AC call
sign I have on my desk from a great fellow in The Netherlands when I visited
him. 

And it is true that instead of many on-air QSOs over a few years as in
decades long past, we often resort to e-mail. Indeed, some started via
e-mail right here on the Elecraft reflector. 

Maybe "enhance international goodwill" as a justification for Ham radio will
come to an end along with rag-chewing, but somehow I doubt that will happen.

People everywhere are more comfortable with others who they know and with
whom they share some common interests.  

73, Ron AC7AC

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W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:44 PM
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Okay, Kevin

Here is the appropriate section: 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f320c16fc6e027120cc58558cc7a0926
c=true=se47.5.97_11=div8>

I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur Radio
-- no place at all.

97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew.  Not sure where contesting
comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1 somewhere.

It does not say that every place is a good place for a ragchew, at any time.
It seems intuitively obvious that a DX pileup is neither the time nor the
place.

You then compare typing on a keyboard to using paddles, and going back to
the post just before mine, it was about using pre-programmed macros for a
contest exchange.

The operators aren't really talking.  They're pressing two macro keys and
making an entry in the log.

NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, SOMEONE WILL SAY "THIS ISN'T 
AMATEUR RADIO." 

I do respectfully disagree.

It may not be what I want to do, but I've seen the Full-Scan TV ops get very
excited about their favored mode.  Moonbounce doesn't excite me, but it
excites moonbounce enthusiasts.  Satellites?  Did it once, happy to know
about it, not enough to really gear-up for it.

There is room for all of this in Amateur Radio.

... and I'm more than happy to do something else on big Contest weekends,
and to steer clear of the pileups.

I won't name the person I quoted, but his technical contributions are
significant.  He'd still rather carry on a conversation than just send
macros.

In my opinion, it is a little bit sad that we have reduced communication to
a couple of macros.

I don't require you to share that opinion, Kevin, nor will I deny you the
pleasure of operating that way if it's what you love.

I won't ridicule it either.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/15/2017 3:45 PM, Kevin wrote:
> Ridiculous!
>
> Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human 
> conversation in a DX pileup.
>
> The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your 
> computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using 
> the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm 
> mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. 
> No difference between that and punching a function key on a computer 
> keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the 
> difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?
>
> I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the 
> internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to 
> human personalization thing.
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:
>>
>> Section 97.1
>>
>> (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to 
>> enhance international goodwill.
>>
>&

Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Bill Frantz]

IMHO, all the things we normally do in amateur radio are 
justified under one or more of the sectuib 97.1 Basis and purpose.


Contests simulate emergency communications, where getting a 
message (the contest exchange) through accurately and quickly is 
very important. I enter several contests a year, and retreat to 
the WARC bands when I don't want to play in a contest.


DXing builds operator skill in pulling information out of very 
weak signals. It also supports an amazing number of 
international trips to put rare entities on the air. I chase DX 
and dream of getting to be a good enough operator to join a 
DXpedition. I think Nigel Jolly would agree that amateur radio 
has helped build international understanding.


Rag chewing builds operator skills, as well as ensuring that 
people's equipment is still working. I like a good rag chew and 
I have been known to chat back and forth for 15 minutes to 1/2 
an hour on PSK-31. (Note that as a retired software guy, I can 
type reasonably well.)


I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:



I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur Radio -- 
no place at all.

97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew.  Not sure 
where contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be 
fit into 97.1 somewhere.


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Don Wilhelm]

"There is a time for every thing, turn, turn, turn.  There is a season 
for every purpose under Heaven" Those words of Pete Seeger ring in my head.


It is the same on the hambands.  There is a time for ragchews and there 
is a time for contests, and there is a time for DX contacts which are 
looking for the maximum number of QSOs.


On contest weekends, do not expect ragchew QSOs with those who are 
contesting.
For DX contacts who are trying to maximize their contacts, the will not 
be willing to ragchew.


If you want to ragchew, then do it with stations that are also willing. 
Send them a bit of personal information and see if they respond.  If 
not, they are not willing to ragchew.


Bottom line - it all depends.  It takes two to make a conversation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/15/2017 8:44 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:



I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur
Radio -- no place at all.

97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew.  Not sure where
contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1
somewhere.


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Okay, Kevin

Here is the appropriate section: 



I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur 
Radio -- no place at all.


97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew.  Not sure where 
contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1 
somewhere.


It does not say that every place is a good place for a ragchew, at any 
time.  It seems intuitively obvious that a DX pileup is neither the time 
nor the place.


You then compare typing on a keyboard to using paddles, and going back 
to the post just before mine, it was about using pre-programmed macros 
for a contest exchange.


The operators aren't really talking.  They're pressing two macro keys 
and making an entry in the log.


NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, SOMEONE WILL SAY "THIS ISN'T 
AMATEUR RADIO."	


I do respectfully disagree.

It may not be what I want to do, but I've seen the Full-Scan TV ops get 
very excited about their favored mode.  Moonbounce doesn't excite me, 
but it excites moonbounce enthusiasts.  Satellites?  Did it once, happy 
to know about it, not enough to really gear-up for it.


There is room for all of this in Amateur Radio.

... and I'm more than happy to do something else on big Contest 
weekends, and to steer clear of the pileups.


I won't name the person I quoted, but his technical contributions are 
significant.  He'd still rather carry on a conversation than just send 
macros.


In my opinion, it is a little bit sad that we have reduced communication 
to a couple of macros.


I don't require you to share that opinion, Kevin, nor will I deny you 
the pleasure of operating that way if it's what you love.


I won't ridicule it either.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/15/2017 3:45 PM, Kevin wrote:

Ridiculous!

Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human
conversation in a DX pileup.

The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your
computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using
the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm
mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. No
difference between that and punching a function key on a computer
keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the
difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?

I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the
internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to
human personalization thing.


On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:

Section 97.1

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.

Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located
in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original
comment was  establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" --
actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and
purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a
radio...

I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not
how most hams communicate.

... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad.


This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT
include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the
purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing
operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad
to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham
bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of
ham radio.

FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face
conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to
maintain community with nearby hams.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Kevin]

Ridiculous!

Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human 
conversation in a DX pileup.


The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your 
computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using 
the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm 
mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. No 
difference between that and punching a function key on a computer 
keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the 
difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?


I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the 
internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to 
human personalization thing.



On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:

Section 97.1

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to 
enhance international goodwill.


Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located 
in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original 
comment was  establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" -- 
actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and 
purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a 
radio...


I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not 
how most hams communicate.


... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad. 


This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT 
include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the 
purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing 
operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad 
to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham 
bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of 
ham radio.


FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face 
conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to 
maintain community with nearby hams.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Ed Muns]

That's what the phrase "most contests" means.  Contests where exchanges
don't change.

Ed W0YK


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j...@kk9a.com
Sent: 13 March, 2017 11:47
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

Memory only exchanges would be impossible in the WPX contest.

John KK9A

Ed Muns wrote:
Mon Mar 13 13:26:17 EDT 2017

For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed.  There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.  All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
your exchange.

Ed W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:

Section 97.1

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to 
enhance international goodwill.


Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located 
in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original 
comment was  establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" -- 
actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and 
purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a 
radio...


I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not how 
most hams communicate.


... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad. 


This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT 
include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the 
purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing 
operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad 
to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham 
bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of 
ham radio.


FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face 
conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to 
maintain community with nearby hams.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY -- (mostly OT)

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

In many communities you can grow old, wither up, and blow away in the wind 
before finding someone to “maintain community” with on a local repeater (WX 
nets excepted).  I stopped going there years ago .. the final straw was a local 
couple who never seemed to tire of having “repeater sex” in the wee hours of 
the morning on the primary repeater of an (un-named) large city radio club.  
Not that it wasn’t sometimes interesting … 

Different strokes I guess.  There is virtue in HF exchanges that go beyond “599 
TX TU QRZ“ and "advancing the art", which is not to say that the content 
(regardless of mode) is markedly better  :-)

> And I use local repeaters to maintain community with nearby hams.
> 


Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad. 


This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT include 
rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the purpose of 
developing technical skills and knowledge, developing operating skills, 
and providing emergency communications. What's sad to me is the mindless 
stuff that passes for conversation on our ham bands and the fact that 
many hams seem to think that's the purpose of ham radio.


FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face conversation 
far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to maintain community 
with nearby hams.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... and not a single actual conversation with another human being.

Sad.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/13/2017 11:04 AM, brian wrote:
This works very well.  K4CIA who never operated RTTY before a few 
years ago uses only the K3 display and built-in memories to call and 
work DX.  He has now worked over 300 RTTY countries with the K3 only 
one finger method.  No computer, sound card or RTTY program used. KISS.


73 de Brian/K3KO


On 3/13/2017 17:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will 
send the

RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed.  There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.  
All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the 
other with

your exchange.

Ed W0YK
 


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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
w7aqk

Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs 
(which I am
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just 
using

the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it.  I just did that on 40
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast.  I crank out CW at about 25-30 
WPM and

the K3 does the rest!  Cool!  I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
antennas were better!

That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition 
band
slot this way is fun.  It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to 
do it
in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the 
nomenclature
was--I've forgotten now.  That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a 
BC-610, an

R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff.  It sure got hot inside
those vans  With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[brian]

This works very well.  K4CIA who never operated RTTY before a few years 
ago uses only the K3 display and built-in memories to call and work DX. 
 He has now worked over 300 RTTY countries with the K3 only one finger 
method.  No computer, sound card or RTTY program used. KISS.


73 de Brian/K3KO


On 3/13/2017 17:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:

For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed.  There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.  All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
your exchange.

Ed W0YK

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w7aqk
Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using
the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it.  I just did that on 40
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast.  I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and
the K3 does the rest!  Cool!  I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
antennas were better!

That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would
generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition band
slot this way is fun.  It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to do it
in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the nomenclature
was--I've forgotten now.  That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a BC-610, an
R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff.  It sure got hot inside
those vans  With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Don Wilhelm]

All,

Also end the message memories with the "|" character so the RF ends 
IMmediately.
If you are entering the message with the paddles use "IM" sent as one 
character (no space).


You can use those same message memories on CW too, the | character is 
ignored.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/13/2017 1:26 PM, Ed Muns wrote:

For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed.  There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.  All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
your exchange.

Ed W0YK

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Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using
the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it.  I just did that on 40
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast.  I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and
the K3 does the rest!  Cool!  I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my
antennas were better!

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Ed Muns]

For DXpeditions and most contests, using the K3/K3S memories will send the
RTTY at normal 60 WPM speed.  There is no reason to send CW and have the
RTTY come out at a slow speed which is rude to the other operator.  All you
need is two memories programmed, one with your call sign and the other with
your exchange.

Ed W0YK

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Sent: 12 March, 2017 22:52
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY

I know this is "old hat" now, especially for serious RTTY buffs (which I am 
not!), but every time I work one of these DXpeditions on RTTY, just using 
the K3 and CW input, I get a big kick out of it.  I just did that on 40 
meters with TU7C in the Ivory Coast.  I crank out CW at about 25-30 WPM and 
the K3 does the rest!  Cool!  I could do this with my KX3 or KX2 if my 
antennas were better!

That's about the only time I venture into the RTTY segment, and I would 
generally rather just rag chew on CW, but snagging another DXpedition band 
slot this way is fun.  It sure beats the heck out of the way I had to do it 
in the Army eons ago, with those model 21's, or whatever the nomenclature 
was--I've forgotten now.  That was in an AN/GRC-26 van, with a BC-610, an 
R390, and a rack panel filled with other stuff.  It sure got hot inside 
those vans  With the K3, I can do it all on a TV tray!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Contest with the KX3 and Win4K3

[Michael Blake]

Having now used the KX3/Win4K3 combination more extensively on RTTY, CW and PSK31 I have 
been amazed that when the spectrum display is zoomed adequately clicking on the 
"Mark" tone in RTTY, The CW peak or the center of a PSK31 signal tunes them in 
perfectly.  The signals are centered in the chosen passband and decoding starts 
immediately.  If fldigi is on line and correctly tuned for the correct offset you get the 
same result.





Very nice job Tom,  makes a perfect little rig even better :)




Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI



On Jul 02, 2016, at 07:35 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:






What a great combination for search and pounce RTTY. Double click the mark Tone 
(upper tone peak) and go! The KX3's built in RTTY engine worked 100% with no 
other RTTY programs required. MMTTY and fldigi were available but not necessary.




Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Wes]

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Mic-VOX-interaction-td7606353.html


On 5/1/2016 5:15 PM, Wes wrote:
Allow me to add a dissenting voice.  I found it much easier (with admittedly 
more clutter) to set proper audio/ALC levels with my K3 and the computer sound 
card than I do with my K3S and the built in sound card/USB interface.  There 
are other issues related to Mic/Line Level/VOX/Anti-VOX that I brought to 
Elecraft's attention 8 months ago and that reportedly were "discovered" by one 
of their engineers before my report and was going to be bumped up "the list."


If this had been fixed, I wouldn't be bringing it up.




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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Gene Gabry]

Wes,

I am also curious of any issues that might be unresolved? I've been using
the sound card in the K3S with N1MM+ and MMTTY as the engine, and it's been
plug and play since day one. I don't use VOX to key, as either with MMTTY by
itself or with N1MM+, I use the PTT line, and all is good. 
Just curious what I might need to watch for?

73 Gene, N9TF

K3S 10057

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Dodd
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 8:30 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

On 5/1/2016 8:15 PM, Wes wrote:
> Allow me to add a dissenting voice.  I found it much easier (with 
> admittedly more clutter) to set proper audio/ALC levels with my K3 and 
> the computer sound card than I do with my K3S and the built in sound 
> card/USB interface.  There are other issues related to Mic/Line 
> Level/VOX/Anti-VOX that I brought to Elecraft's attention 8 months ago 
> and that reportedly were "discovered" by one of their engineers before 
> my report and was going to be bumped up "the list."
>
> If this had been fixed, I wouldn't be bringing it up.

Can you be more specific? I was able to set the audio transmit and receive
levels without problem (at least I think so), and the VOX level too for use
with MMTTY standalone (I use PTT with N1MM+/MMTTY).

What else should I be looking for?

Thank you.

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Louisa County, VA USA
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Mike Dodd]

On 5/1/2016 8:15 PM, Wes wrote:

Allow me to add a dissenting voice.  I found it much easier (with
admittedly more clutter) to set proper audio/ALC levels with my K3 and
the computer sound card than I do with my K3S and the built in sound
card/USB interface.  There are other issues related to Mic/Line
Level/VOX/Anti-VOX that I brought to Elecraft's attention 8 months ago
and that reportedly were "discovered" by one of their engineers before
my report and was going to be bumped up "the list."

If this had been fixed, I wouldn't be bringing it up.


Can you be more specific? I was able to set the audio transmit and 
receive levels without problem (at least I think so), and the VOX level 
too for use with MMTTY standalone (I use PTT with N1MM+/MMTTY).


What else should I be looking for?

Thank you.

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Louisa County, VA USA
Elecraft K3s/100
Carolina Windom up 45'
http://n4cf.mdodd.com
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Wes]

Allow me to add a dissenting voice.  I found it much easier (with admittedly 
more clutter) to set proper audio/ALC levels with my K3 and the computer sound 
card than I do with my K3S and the built in sound card/USB interface.  There are 
other issues related to Mic/Line Level/VOX/Anti-VOX that I brought to Elecraft's 
attention 8 months ago and that reportedly were "discovered" by one of their 
engineers before my report and was going to be bumped up "the list."


If this had been fixed, I wouldn't be bringing it up.


On 5/1/2016 4:48 PM, Mike Dodd wrote:

On 5/1/2016 7:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Gerald,

Can I assume a K3S or a K3 that has been upgraded with the KIO3B? The
"built-in" soundcard on your K3S is like an external soundcard. You
 will not use the internal soundcard on the computer, but use that
USB "soundcard" instead for the data audio to and from the K3.


Allow me to add that the internal USB sound card is _wonderful._ It is as 
simple to use as Don described, and is easy to set up in MMTTY. Naturally, 
you'll select AFSK-A instead of FSK-D when using the sound card. For me, it 
eliminated a bunch of cables, and a little PC board I bought to interface my 
PC's sound card to my former rig (KX3) -- and all the hassles that entails -- 
is now surplus.




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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Mike Dodd]

On 5/1/2016 7:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Gerald,

Can I assume a K3S or a K3 that has been upgraded with the KIO3B? The
"built-in" soundcard on your K3S is like an external soundcard.  You
 will not use the internal soundcard on the computer, but use that
USB "soundcard" instead for the data audio to and from the K3.


Allow me to add that the internal USB sound card is _wonderful._ It is 
as simple to use as Don described, and is easy to set up in MMTTY. 
Naturally, you'll select AFSK-A instead of FSK-D when using the sound 
card. For me, it eliminated a bunch of cables, and a little PC board I 
bought to interface my PC's sound card to my former rig (KX3) -- and all 
the hassles that entails -- is now surplus.


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

[Don Wilhelm]

Gerald,

Can I assume a K3S or a K3 that has been upgraded with the KIO3B?
The "built-in" soundcard on your K3S is like an external soundcard.  You 
will not use the internal soundcard on the computer, but use that USB 
"soundcard" instead for the data audio to and from the K3.


If you have a K3 without the new KIO3B, then an external soundcard would 
be in order.
Just make sure that external soundcard is *not* the default soundcard.  
It is common for Windows (or other OS) to set the latest installed 
soundcard as default.


Tell your data mode applications which soundcard to use.

Your computer sounds and background music will come out of your computer 
speakers, and the data mode communications will use the 'external' 
soundcard - there should be no conflict.  It is all in the computer setup.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2016 12:02 PM, Jerry Muller via Elecraft wrote:

Hello all:
  I have a K3/P3 and want to do RTTY, JT,  PSK.   I know that there is a
section, Page 31, in the manual that  address this area.  I do not wish to
use the sound card in my PC as I  listen to back ground music while on the
air. No the QSO can not hear it as I  have checked that out. For those that
are into digi would you suggest  the built in function on the K3 or an
external and why .  What  external if any and why.
  



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY, Terminal and ALC questions

[Don Wilhelm]

Paul,

The ALC bars is not relevant when using FSK D (or PSK D), that is only 
for soundcard driven data modes.


K3 Terminal is there for convenience, and while is does the job, it was 
not intended to be a "logger", so no serial number incrementing is possible.


For FSK D, take a look at MMTTY - it can do both soundcard AFSK A and 
FSK D if you build a "one transistor keying device" to 'wiggle' the FSK 
IN pin on the K3 ACC connector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2016 10:01 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:

I'm using the K3 Terminal and FSK D mode for the RTTY contest and am doing
"okay" but have the following questions:

1. My ALC indicator shows 6 or 7 bars, more than I would like. Is there any
way to adjust the output in FSK D mode?

2.  In the K3 Terminal, is there any way to have an incrementing serial
number (required in this contest)?

I usually use FLDigi which has that feature with AFSK, but I'm trying to
get the hang of FSK-D.
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY, Terminal and ALC questions

[Peter Pauly]

Thanks Don

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The ALC bars is not relevant when using FSK D (or PSK D), that is only for
> soundcard driven data modes.
>
> K3 Terminal is there for convenience, and while is does the job, it was
> not intended to be a "logger", so no serial number incrementing is possible.
>
> For FSK D, take a look at MMTTY - it can do both soundcard AFSK A and FSK
> D if you build a "one transistor keying device" to 'wiggle' the FSK IN pin
> on the K3 ACC connector.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 2/13/2016 10:01 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:
>
>> I'm using the K3 Terminal and FSK D mode for the RTTY contest and am doing
>> "okay" but have the following questions:
>>
>> 1. My ALC indicator shows 6 or 7 bars, more than I would like. Is there
>> any
>> way to adjust the output in FSK D mode?
>>
>> 2.  In the K3 Terminal, is there any way to have an incrementing serial
>> number (required in this contest)?
>>
>> I usually use FLDigi which has that feature with AFSK, but I'm trying to
>> get the hang of FSK-D.
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Hang time

[Bill Breeden]

Bill,

If you are using the CW memory keys M1-M4 to send RTTY, add a "pipe" 
character ( I ) at the end of the message.  The K3 will ignore the 
"pipe" character in CW mode, but will end the transmission immediately 
when it encounters it in RTTY (FSK D) mode.  The "pipe" character is the 
upper case character on the same key as the backslash character.  You 
can use the "Edit CW Memories..." function in the K3 Utility to add this 
character to your messages.


73,

Bill - NA5DX



I'm sure this has been brought up before but I've been told that there's a
hang time issue when I'm done transmitting RTTY.  Some folks use a keyer and
type IM.  There's got to be a way to go to the config Macro to include this
so I don't have to do it manually.  Can someone walk me through the process
of doing this once and for all?



Thanks,



Bill



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY No Audio into K3S

[Don Wilhelm]

Irwin,

The K3S USB codec is no different than any other USB soundcard. Those do 
have computer and OS dependencies that I cannot give specifics for.  In 
addition, how MMTTY interacts with your computer is another area that 
must be looked at.  You must tell MMTTY which soundcard to use.  Then in 
your Operating System, open the sound panel and set the sliders for 
output to about 2/3 of maximum.


In the K3S, set MIC SEL to LINE and adjust the input level (MIC Gain 
with LINE selected) to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 
5th bar flashing.


If you can achieve all that, you should be able to transmit RTTY with 
the K3S in AFSK A data submode.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/12/2016 5:40 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:

I am in the process of setting up a second K3S that I just built and having
difficulties setting up RTTY using MMTTY

Using the USB Codec, I can key the rig, receive Audio in and copy RTTY, but
no Audio from the computer to the radio.

I have the correct speaker in the computer selected (USB Audio Codec) . In
the Config menu I show KIO3B and set to nor.

What am I missing - Not sure what to try next?

Thanks,

Irwin KD3TB
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY No Audio into K3S

[Irwin Darack]

Thanks  to everyone. Simple Operator error. I forgot to set the mic to Lin
in for TX Data. That solved it.

Irwin KD3TB

On Friday, February 12, 2016, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:

> You do have the speaker level at about 50% on the computer.  In the
> Windows 10 system I run,  I right click on the speaker symbol in the tray,
> then select Playback devices, then Speakers CODEC, the Properties then
> Levels.  The slider is sitting about mid scale or -10.2 dB or 50%.The
> radio is in Data A mode.   I set the MIC {actually Line level} to about
> 20.  This gets me 4 to 5 bars on the ALC scale.   Then set the PWR value
> for the number of watts you want out.
>
> Nothing is plugged in the rear panel audio connectors.  I only use the USB
> cable between the radio and computer.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 2/12/2016 4:40 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of setting up a second K3S that I just built and
>> having
>> difficulties setting up RTTY using MMTTY
>>
>> Using the USB Codec, I can key the rig, receive Audio in and copy RTTY,
>> but
>> no Audio from the computer to the radio.
>>
>> I have the correct speaker in the computer selected (USB Audio Codec) . In
>> the Config menu I show KIO3B and set to nor.
>>
>> What am I missing - Not sure what to try next?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Irwin KD3TB
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Hang time

[Brian F Wruble]

I have found that a brief press of the "SUB" key ends the extra 4 seconds of 
carrier. 

de Brian W3BW

Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. 
Sent from my iPad Air 2

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Bill Breeden  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> If you are using the CW memory keys M1-M4 to send RTTY, add a "pipe" 
> character ( I ) at the end of the message.  The K3 will ignore the "pipe" 
> character in CW mode, but will end the transmission immediately when it 
> encounters it in RTTY (FSK D) mode.  The "pipe" character is the upper case 
> character on the same key as the backslash character.  You can use the "Edit 
> CW Memories..." function in the K3 Utility to add this character to your 
> messages.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bill - NA5DX
> 
> 
>> I'm sure this has been brought up before but I've been told that there's a
>> hang time issue when I'm done transmitting RTTY.  Some folks use a keyer and
>> type IM.  There's got to be a way to go to the config Macro to include this
>> so I don't have to do it manually.  Can someone walk me through the process
>> of doing this once and for all?
> 
>> Thanks,
> 
>> Bill
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Messages

[Rich]

I found it right after I sent the email.  It was a bit confusing as the 
software shows IM is "|" when actually | is all that you can type in the 
field.  It will not take quotes


Rich

On 1/4/2016 1:06 PM, Rich wrote:
When I used the Message buttons in SSB or CW at the end of the message 
the radio automatically returns to RX, however when I send a RTTY 
message the radio remains in TX.  Is there a command I can add to fix 
this?


I could not find anything in the manual.

Rich
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Messages

[Brian Hunt]

If you put the pipe character "|" at the end of the text it will drop back to 
receive right away. This character is not sent in CW mode in case you use the 
same text for both. 

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[KE1B]

On Aug 12, 2015, at 5:09 AM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca wrote:

 Following up on Salvo's post: Rich, I believe you said you are using N1MM+. 
 If that is the case, open the N1MM+ Configurer, select the Mode Control tab, 
 and on the right side, look to see what is selected for Mode sent to radio 
 for RTTY. If this is set to RTTY, N1MM+ will put the K3S into FSK D mode, 
 which will result in an unmodulated carrier if there is nothing connected to 
 the FSK pin on the AUX connector on the K3S. To use AFSK A, change the Mode 
 sent to radio to AFSK.
 

That did it, thanks!

Rich KE1B


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[Salvatore Irato]

Hi rich and all.
Maybe you have selected the wrong audio output device. You need to
change it accordingly to the new K3S USB audio interface that appeared
when the USB was inserted ... and the driver was inserted.

Maybe you have the audio generator AFSK level (inside the program i.e.
MMTTY) or the USB audio level for the proper interface way down.

But, more ... that's the best candidate!
Maybe you have something other wron as you wrote that you are getting
a pure carrier. This would mean that you are still setup as FSK and
are getting the mark carrier without the diddling to shift carrier ...
this mean that yours radio still wait for FSK manipulation and not for
the AFSK tones in input.
Having the radio properly setup for AFSK audio tones input will give
you nothing when in TX without tones, no carrier I mean. No audio no
RF ouput.
The AFSK audio tones gives you the proper RF output as on SSB.
Contrarily when you have the FSK submode setup you get plenty of RF
but no diddles if there is not manipulation in between tones.

UR radio is FSK, UR computer is AFSK. Isn't?

I would double check the Radio SubMode and after the interface, levels
setups whatever they live.

 Have a check and let us know, pse.

 73 de iw1ayd Salvo

PS use again the Joe's advice and list on the radio side. SubMode
seems to be the key in your case at least from here.


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:16:18 -0700
From: KE1B k...@richseifert.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
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On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


 On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:

 Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
 rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?

 Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
 no connection to the Line In jack.

 Mode = DATA
 SubMode  = AFSK A
 MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
 Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering


I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no 
data diddling.

Rich KE1B
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[Richard Ferch]

Following up on Salvo's post: Rich, I believe you said you are using 
N1MM+. If that is the case, open the N1MM+ Configurer, select the Mode 
Control tab, and on the right side, look to see what is selected for 
Mode sent to radio for RTTY. If this is set to RTTY, N1MM+ will put 
the K3S into FSK D mode, which will result in an unmodulated carrier if 
there is nothing connected to the FSK pin on the AUX connector on the 
K3S. To use AFSK A, change the Mode sent to radio to AFSK.


73,
Rich VE3KI


IW1AYD wrote:


UR radio is FSK, UR computer is AFSK. Isn't?

I would double check the Radio SubMode


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

If you get a pure carrier you either have the data sub-mode
(AFX hold) set to FSK_D or your data program is not operating
correctly (generating a single tone).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/11/2015 11:06 PM, Rich Seifert wrote:


On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:



On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:


Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?


Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
no connection to the Line In jack.

Mode = DATA
SubMode  = AFSK A
MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering



I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no 
data diddling.

Rich KE1B




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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:

 Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
 rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?

Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
no connection to the Line In jack.

Mode = DATA
SubMode  = AFSK A
MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering

The same settings work for other digital modes with DATA A
substituted for AFSK A.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:


Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
rather than the Line-in or Mic-in? I don’t see that choice in the
menu.

Conversely, is there any way for N1MM+/MMTTY to send ASCII data to
the K3S for FSK transmission. I don’t think they are set up to do
that. What I am trying to get is a one-cable (USB) solution for all
modes. (CW works fine with RTS/DTR over USB.)

Rich KE1B

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[Lyle Johnson]

See below


Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec rather than 
the Line-in or Mic-in? I don’t see that choice in the menu.
Yes, use LINE IN and don't plug any cable into the LINE IN jack on the 
back of the radio.  it will then use the USB.



Conversely, is there any way for N1MM+/MMTTY to send ASCII data to the K3S for 
FSK transmission. I don’t think they are set up to do that. What I am trying to 
get is a one-cable (USB) solution for all modes. (CW works fine with RTS/DTR 
over USB.)


You can use AFSK over the USB as above.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S

[KE1B]

On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 
 On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
 
 Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
 rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?
 
 Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
 no connection to the Line In jack.
 
 Mode = DATA
 SubMode  = AFSK A
 MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
 Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering
 

I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no 
data diddling.

Rich KE1B


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

[Joe Moffatt]

I think I actually misworded things.

I have N1MM and use it for CW all the time.

I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

I just have little experience recently with RTTY, and I just want to set it up 
correctly.

Joe



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On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
 Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years, but I am 
 starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

 So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3. I see FSK is much preferred 
 by most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now days.

 I know VERY little about this. I am a CW DX'er, but just interested in 
 learning this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

 Thanks,

 Joe
 AB5OR
 Tupelo, MS


Joe,
What are you using for software? Do you have the interface's
built, or bought?
See: http://www.aa5au.com/rtty/ and: http://www.rttycontesting.com/

I do lots of RTTY contesting using a K3 and WriteLog for software. N1MM
also works good.

Gordon - N1MGO


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

 I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

If everything works normally for PSK31, you should be able to use
the same configuration *except* you select AFSK A for RTTY in the
K3.

That should work with MMTTY or the MMTTY interface built into the
Digital Interface of N1MM Logger.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-03-30 2:56 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

I think I actually misworded things.

I have N1MM and use it for CW all the time.

I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

I just have little experience recently with RTTY, and I just want to set it up 
correctly.

Joe



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Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:51 PM
To: Joe Moffatt; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years, but I am 
starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3. I see FSK is much preferred by 
most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now days.

I know VERY little about this. I am a CW DX'er, but just interested in learning 
this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

Thanks,

Joe
AB5OR
Tupelo, MS



Joe,
What are you using for software? Do you have the interface's
built, or bought?
See: http://www.aa5au.com/rtty/ and: http://www.rttycontesting.com/

I do lots of RTTY contesting using a K3 and WriteLog for software. N1MM
also works good.

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

[Fred Jensen]

MMTTY [free] will provide stand-alone AFSK RTTY with your current setup. 
 N1MM will also use the MMTTY engine for you in a contest or when 
calling DX in a pileup.  Download MMTTY to someplace on your computer, 
and then in the N1MM setup, tell it where to find MMTTY.  Then, in N1MM 
when you open the digital interface window, the MMTTY window will also 
come up.  MMTTY is a tad complex and obscure, but the good news is that 
it works well right out of the box, so you can ignore most of the options.


Never understood the infatuation with direct FSK, but to each his own. 
For RTTY, select AFSK-A.  You can select audio frequency with the K3 
PITCH control, there are 4 choices I believe, mine is at 915 Hz 
[lowest].  Be sure MMTTY is also set at 915.  Recent firmware editions 
include a filter in AFSK-A which really narrows your signal.  AFSK-A is LSB.


Put the K3 in TX TEST, go to transmit, and adjust the MIC GAIN for 4 
solid bars ALC with the 5th flickering.  Then go to TX NORM and set the 
desired power.  You can't control the power on a K3 with the MIC GAIN.


You won't find many casual QSO's on RTTY.  AFSK PSK31 is actually 
redundant.  :-)


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 3/30/2015 11:56 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

I think I actually misworded things.

I have N1MM and use it for CW all the time.

I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

I just have little experience recently with RTTY, and I just want to
set it up correctly.

On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years,
but I am starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3. I see FSK is much
preferred by most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now
days.

I know VERY little about this. I am a CW DX'er, but just interested
in learning this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

Thanks,

Joe AB5OR Tupelo, MS

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

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On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years, but I am 
starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3.  I see FSK is much preferred 
by most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now days.

I know VERY little about this.  I am a CW DX'er, but just interested in 
learning this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

Thanks,

Joe
AB5OR
Tupelo, MS



Joe,
What are you using for software?   Do you have the interface's 
built, or bought?

See:  http://www.aa5au.com/rtty/ and: http://www.rttycontesting.com/

I do lots of RTTY contesting using a K3 and WriteLog for software. N1MM 
also works good.


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

[Joe Moffatt]

Definitely going to try that!




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From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
Date: 03/30/2015 3:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help


 I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

If everything works normally for PSK31, you should be able to use
the same configuration *except* you select AFSK A for RTTY in the
K3.

That should work with MMTTY or the MMTTY interface built into the
Digital Interface of N1MM Logger.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-03-30 2:56 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
 I think I actually misworded things.

 I have N1MM and use it for CW all the time.

 I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

 I just have little experience recently with RTTY, and I just want to set it 
 up correctly.

 Joe



 From: Gordon LaPoint [mailto:gordon.lapo...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:51 PM
 To: Joe Moffatt; 'Elecraft Reflector'
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

 On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
 Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years, but I am 
 starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

 So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3. I see FSK is much preferred 
 by most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now days.

 I know VERY little about this. I am a CW DX'er, but just interested in 
 learning this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

 Thanks,

 Joe
 AB5OR
 Tupelo, MS


 Joe,
 What are you using for software? Do you have the interface's
 built, or bought?
 See: http://www.aa5au.com/rtty/ and: http://www.rttycontesting.com/

 I do lots of RTTY contesting using a K3 and WriteLog for software. N1MM
 also works good.

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

AFSK PSK31? There's an oxymoron ;)

If you have PSK31 working, you can do AFSK RTTY with the same hardware
configuration, but use the AFSK A sub-mode, instead of DATA A. If
you want to do FSK instead (FSK D sub-mode), you'll need a hardware
interface of some sort (could be as simple as a couple of transistors
and resistors to level-convert between a RS232 port and the K3's PTT
and FSK inputs.

Whether or not FSK is better than AFSK is somewhat of a religious debate..

73,

~iain / N6ML



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 I think I actually misworded things.

 I have N1MM and use it for CW all the time.

 I have the audio cables, and everything works fine for AFSK PSK31.

 I just have little experience recently with RTTY, and I just want to set it 
 up correctly.

 Joe



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 To: Joe Moffatt; 'Elecraft Reflector'
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY K3 Help

 On 03/30/2015 02:42 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
 Apparently I haven't fooled with RTTY of any seriousness in years, but I am 
 starting to get interested in DX chasing with it.

 So, how do you guys recommend setting up the K3. I see FSK is much preferred 
 by most to AFSK using say FLDIGI and audio input now days.

 I know VERY little about this. I am a CW DX'er, but just interested in 
 learning this and possibly doing a contest sometime.

 Thanks,

 Joe
 AB5OR
 Tupelo, MS


 Joe,
 What are you using for software? Do you have the interface's
 built, or bought?
 See: http://www.aa5au.com/rtty/ and: http://www.rttycontesting.com/

 I do lots of RTTY contesting using a K3 and WriteLog for software. N1MM
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Did you send didit  dahdah  or diditdahdah?
The second should work.

73
Arie PA3A


Stephen Reichlyn schreef op 22-1-2015 om 17:08:
I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty 
transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has

never worked. Any hints?

73,
Steve AA4V

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[dro...@necg.de]

 
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e...--   with no 
pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

 Stephen Reichlyn a...@bellsouth.net hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 
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 I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
 transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
 never worked. Any hints?

 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Dick Dievendorff]

IM can also be put into a CW memory with a vertical bar and used with RTTY.  
See the K3/KX3 help on the CW memory editor.  May not apply to all cases, but 
you might have a memory that says something like DE your call |

73 de Dick, K6KR



 On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:47, Jim Hoge knowk...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I 
 have found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is 
 finicky at contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads 
 the prosign much more consistently.
 73,Jim W5QM 
 
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 wrote:
 
 
 
 Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e...--  with no 
 pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
 73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 
 
 Stephen Reichlyn a...@bellsouth.net hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 
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 I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
 transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
 never worked. Any hints?
 
 73,
 Steve AA4V
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Jim Hoge]

The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I have 
found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is finicky at 
contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads the prosign 
much more consistently.
73,Jim W5QM 

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wrote:
   

  
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e.    ..--  with no 
pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

 Stephen Reichlyn a...@bellsouth.net hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 
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 I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
 transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
 never worked. Any hints?

 73,
 Steve AA4V

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Brian Hunt]

I've programmed one of the CW memories to include the 'pipe' character at the 
end: DE K0DTJ |. It isn't sent when on CW and it stops the RTTY tail 
immediately. For me sending ..-- as a single character is unreliable at best. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Jim Brown]

On Thu,1/22/2015 9:28 AM, Jim N7US wrote:

I think being able to send RTTY with a paddle is very cool, but I don’t think 
I'm the only RTTY contester who is frustrated when it's done in a contest.  A 
contest program such as N1MM+ is free and works so well, and you won’t break 
the stride of the station you're calling.


YES! You'll also need MMTTY, which integrates nicely with it.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY tail

[Jim N7US]

I think being able to send RTTY with a paddle is very cool, but I don’t think 
I'm the only RTTY contester who is frustrated when it's done in a contest.  A 
contest program such as N1MM+ is free and works so well, and you won’t break 
the stride of the station you're calling.

Using a paddle to send RTTY is a novelty or maybe appropriate if it's the only 
way to work a needed DXpedition, but my personal wish is that it wouldn't be 
used in RTTY contests.

73, Jim N7US



-Original Message-

The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I have 
found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is finicky at 
contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads the prosign 
much more consistently.
73,Jim W5QM 

 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:36 AM, dro...@necg.de dro...@necg.de 
wrote:
   

  
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e...--  with no 
pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

 Stephen Reichlyn a...@bellsouth.net hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 
 geschrieben:


 I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty 
 transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has never 
 worked. Any hints?

 73,
 Steve AA4V


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY FSK

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Would like to know what is needed to make the switch to FSK such that
the K3 can be used in DATA mode instead of USB, while still using
N1MM/FLDigi integration and an RS232 interface.


fldigi *does not support an RS-232 interface for FSK*.  Look in the
fldigi help files for pFSK (pseudo FSK) and build that circuit to
convert on/off keyed audio tones to FSK.

However, *any program* capable of AFSK/PSK can be used with the K3 in
DATA mode simply by selecting DATA A (for wideband PSK and AFSK in
USB) or AFSK A (for narrow filter AFSK in LSB).  See the K3 Owner's
Manual information on DATA Sub-modes.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-09-25 11:15 AM, Robert Fanfant wrote:

I currently have N1MM integrated with FLDigi, a SignalLink unit, and
an RS232 interface to the K3. All works well using AFSK with the K3
in USB mode.

Can someone direct me on how to setup my K3 for FSK RTTY? Would like
to know what is needed to make the switch to FSK such that the K3 can
be used in DATA mode instead of USB, while still using N1MM/FLDigi
integration and an RS232 interface.

Thanks in advance.

 -rob N7QT
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3 Utility

[Dick Dievendorff]

Carl:

There is an Options dialog on the K3 Utility Terminal page that provides a
way to set the idle timeout, the time period you'd like to continue
sending diddle after all the characters you've typed into the input area
have been transmitted.

On the menu bar see Help, choose K3 Utility Help, and then Terminal.
About midway down that page is a place for you to set idle timeout.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl Yaffey
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 6:09 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3 Utility

I've been trying to figure out how to use the K3 Utility with RTTY. I set up
the K3 with FSK-D and could see the sending stations just fine both with the
utility and the text display of the K3. But I could not easily transmit.
When I clicked on the utility's transmit button, it would not stay in
transmit mode. I could transmit only by FIRST typing in what I wanted to
send and then hitting the transmit button (or control-t). Yuck!
I slept on it. Hmmm - in FSK-D, I can send using the keyer. Why not set the
utility to CW instead of RTTY? I did and all is well!
Maybe that's in some archive or manual but I couldn't find it anywhere.
73,
Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with the K3 alone

[Salvatore Irato]

Hi all.
Yes Jim you right.

Even with some difficulties, i.e. re-key each time the call sign of
the correspondent, it work better with an external keyboard. THis
using the K3/P# combo without a PC.

On the other side, using even a Net PC with just MMTTY,
But also the old and trusted MMTTY may work flawlessly. Both FSK or
AFSK. 2Tone is a great decoder and a great companion for MMTTY in FSK.
Those different setups depend on relevant interfaces that each of us
have on hands, PC capabilities and, why not, real estate of the
monitor/screen we have  ... that's clear. But still MMTTY alone and in
AFSK is well working. Not having all the N1MM Logger needs about
setup. Thus loosing the great 2Tone. But, please, when going with a PC
and MMTTY alone take care to get into the TX tones setup:
Option (O)  Setup MMTTY(O)  TX tab   TXbpf.
There the standard  tap default value is 48, pushing the f key on
the left will show the simulated filter curve. To have a better AFSK
bandwidth set the tap value to 256 and up, press again the f button to
show simulated curves and effects on the output tones bandwidth. Tight
is better, bigger tap values are better. But they are somewhat CPU
intensive, be smart and use intermediate values with older
laptops.Make it better for others than the default, but be lower than
512 taps on single core, i.e. slow, machines.

73 de iw1ayd Salvo


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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 10:15:38 -0800
 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with the K3 alone
 Message-ID: 52f12e4a.1030...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 2/3/2014 10:25 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
 I haven't worked RTTY since 1982 or so and have a K3. I've read the
 info here:http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm#RTTY  and
 then the section on RTTY operation without a computer. And the pages
 suggested in the manual.

 I've done this, but don't recommend it except when a computer is not
 available. A much better option is a P3 with the VGA module, which
 includes the ability to connect a USB keyboard via the P3. This setup
 provides very good display of decoded RTTY, CW, and PSK31 on the VGA
 display, the ability to send from the keyboard, and a bunch of memories.
 It uses the decoder in the K3, which is a VERY good one.

 A lot has changed about RTTY operation since 1982 (I did it then too).
 There are excellent software applications that generate both AFSK and
 FSK, and provide excellent decoding of signals with flutter and other
 distortions. MMTTY is VERY widely used, and there are several others. If
 you're running either WriteLog or N1MM, you can add a decoder called
 2Tone to MMTTY, which allows you to have multiple decoders running at
 the same time. This can help a lot to minimize decoding errors.

 When I want to work a DXpedition, I use the combination of MMTTY and he
 P3 for decoding, again to minimize decoding errors. For RTTY contesting,
 I use N1MM with MMTTY and 2Tone.

 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with the K3 alone

[Jim Brown]

On 2/3/2014 10:25 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

I haven't worked RTTY since 1982 or so and have a K3. I've read the
info here:http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm#RTTY  and
then the section on RTTY operation without a computer. And the pages
suggested in the manual.


I've done this, but don't recommend it except when a computer is not 
available. A much better option is a P3 with the VGA module, which 
includes the ability to connect a USB keyboard via the P3. This setup 
provides very good display of decoded RTTY, CW, and PSK31 on the VGA 
display, the ability to send from the keyboard, and a bunch of memories. 
It uses the decoder in the K3, which is a VERY good one.


A lot has changed about RTTY operation since 1982 (I did it then too). 
There are excellent software applications that generate both AFSK and 
FSK, and provide excellent decoding of signals with flutter and other 
distortions. MMTTY is VERY widely used, and there are several others. If 
you're running either WriteLog or N1MM, you can add a decoder called 
2Tone to MMTTY, which allows you to have multiple decoders running at 
the same time. This can help a lot to minimize decoding errors.


When I want to work a DXpedition, I use the combination of MMTTY and he 
P3 for decoding, again to minimize decoding errors. For RTTY contesting, 
I use N1MM with MMTTY and 2Tone.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with the K3 alone

[Gary Smith]

 On 2/3/2014 10:25 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
  I haven't worked RTTY since 1982 or so and have a K3. I've read the
  info here:http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm#RTTY  and
  then the section on RTTY operation without a computer. And the pages
  suggested in the manual.
 
 I've done this, but don't recommend it except when a computer is not 
 available. A much better option is a P3 with the VGA module, which 
 includes the ability to connect a USB keyboard via the P3. This setup 
 provides very good display of decoded RTTY, CW, and PSK31 on the VGA 
 display, the ability to send from the keyboard, and a bunch of memories. 
 It uses the decoder in the K3, which is a VERY good one.
 
 A lot has changed about RTTY operation since 1982 (I did it then too). 
 There are excellent software applications that generate both AFSK and 
 FSK, and provide excellent decoding of signals with flutter and other 
 distortions. MMTTY is VERY widely used, and there are several others. If 
 you're running either WriteLog or N1MM, you can add a decoder called 
 2Tone to MMTTY, which allows you to have multiple decoders running at 
 the same time. This can help a lot to minimize decoding errors.
 
 When I want to work a DXpedition, I use the combination of MMTTY and he 
 P3 for decoding, again to minimize decoding errors. For RTTY contesting, 
 I use N1MM with MMTTY and 2Tone.
 
 73, Jim K9YC

Jim,

I'd love a P3 but at this time it's not likely unless I win the big 
one. I'm parent wrangling a 97 year old at the moment and have 
stopped work to do so, so my income is zero  I'm living off savings. 
That said, I'm always looking for the right deal to come by on a used 
one, just haven't found it yet. 

I just downloaded MMTTY and will see what I can do with it with my 
computer. I sure do appreciate the advice.  BTW, back in 82 I was 
using an Apple II+ with integer basic and one of those huge cards 
inside to decode RTTY  CW. That card  computer worked really well. 
Don't remember who made it but I sold that computer  a 72 BMW 3.0 
CSL for going back to college money. Wish I had both of those right 
now!

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] rtty via cw paddle

[Jeff Stai]

hi Todd - As I understand it, the K3 when transmitting RTTY via CW paddles
does not send diddles - rather, it stays in a constant state until you
give it a character via the paddles and then it sends the character.

Some decoders and some decoders under some conditions do not respond well
to this because the decoder gets out of sync - the start time of the second
character is not an integral number of character periods from the first
character. These decoders sync with the character cycle in an attempt to
reduce errors.

Most encoders send diddles - a non-printing character like LTRS sent over
and over - to help the decoder maintain character sync when there is no
printing character to send. A great explanation of this can be found here:

http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_diddles_technical.htm

I probably have some detail of this wrong but I'm pretty sure the gist is
correct. 73 jeff wk6i



On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM, todd ruby t...@ruby-wine.com wrote:

 I tried working ZS9MADIBA  today and he kept coming back saying my
 settings must be wrong because I was not printing correctly. So indeed I
 changed the Mark to 2125 hz from 915 but that did not help either. He
 thought I was reversed but when I pressed reverse data, I could no longer
 read him so that was not the solution.

 Can any of you RTTY guys help me out?

 thanks in advance

 todd

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[wb2abd]

Perhaps a fitting end to the thread ... I still have a Tono 5000 here ... 
self-contained RTTY unit with built-in CRT and attached keyboard. Keys printed 
in English and Japanese. A DXpedition favorite because it worked off of 12v or 
AC. Cool piece of equipment that only serves to make one appreciate how easy 
digital is with a K3

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Bill W2BLC]

Model 14 tape printer was the first. Demod and scope were 19 rack 
mounted along with a power supply that weighed in at over 40 lbs. by 
itself. Later Mode 15 and eventually Mod 28 (complete console). The 
latter was last seen at the Fairfax County landfill in Virginia over 23 
years ago. I couldn't even give it away. Artwork was done with various 
characters being repeated into patterns and brag tapes hung on the wall 
for reuse (some were even on special indestructible 5-level tape).


The computer stuff may work well, but it is cold and devoid of 
personality - about the same as everything else that is computer 
controlled. Today's QSOs are done with single key strokes (and the 
chance of finding a good rag chew is very rare). It is all about a fast 
contact and computer generated logbook entries.


Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Mark Petiford]

Any discussion of early RTTY brings back warm memories.  I fell in love with 
RTTY when I first heard the diddle sounds in the headphones of my Ocean Hopper 
in the late 50's.  Didn't really get a chance to work it until I was out of 
college in the 70's when I bought a Model 19 TTY with paper tape punch and 
reader from a friend.  The whole thing (TTY, punch, reader, and current loop 
power supply)  must have weighed well over 300 lbs. I ran it with an Eldico 
R-104/T-102 for HF Rx/Tx, and eventually on VHF using a comparatively tiny 
Wilson HT.  I bought a used pair of small transistor circuit boards that 
converted the audio characters (diddle) to current loop characters (90ma 
current loop???) for RX and TX.  The boards had burned at one point, were 
repaired by an owner before me, and again by me when some of the solder joints 
failed. Sold it all in 1984 when I knew my job would be moving me around and I 
just couldn't lug all that stuff with me;
 besides, computers had taken off and they could easily replace most of that 
stuff.  Today, a KX3/KXPA100/Acer W3 gives me the same capabilities, weighs 
under 5 lbs. (not 300 lbs.) and fits in the space taken up by the paper tape 
punch alone! Now I miss the sounds of the motor in the TTY starting up as you 
approach a signal, the ker-crunch of the TTY keys as the signal is tuned in 
properly, the slight whisp of oil in the air, the ascii art (or more correctly, 
Baudot art) and more.  I had a CQ tape, a CQ Reply tape, a Brag tape, etc. 
taped to the front of the Model 19 which acted as primitive Macros.  You would 
load each tape into the reader as the QSO progressed.  Sadly, computers didn't 
replace that character.  Maybe the next generation will talk about the 
character that waterfalls have! Ltrs Ltrs CR CR LF FL

    
Mark
KE6BB

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Model 14 tape printer was the first. Demod and scope were 19 rack mounted 
along with a power supply that weighed in at over 40 lbs. by itself. Later Mode 
15 and eventually Mod 28 (complete console). The latter was last seen at the 
Fairfax County landfill in Virginia over 23 years ago. I couldn't even give it 
away. Artwork was done with various characters being repeated into patterns and 
brag tapes hung on the wall for reuse (some were even on special indestructible 
5-level tape).The computer stuff may work well, but it is cold and devoid of 
personality - about the same as everything else that is computer controlled. 
Today's QSOs are done with single key strokes (and the chance of finding a 
good rag chew is very rare). It is all about a fast contact and computer 
generated logbook entries.Bill W2BLC 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Bob W7AVK]

RTTY in the old days, like so much of ham radio then, was self help.   I 
was active in the late 1950s before the days of solid state Terminal 
Units.  Then the state of art TU was the TTL-2.  From QST had nearly a 
dozen tubes and used the famous 88 mh telephone cable loading coils.   
It was a real jewel in its 19 inch rack and if you were real up town 
included a 2 inch CRT cross tuning indicator.  Then RTTY was mostly 850 
hz shift.   Think the TTL-2 could be considered the father of the solid 
state ST series of TUs.


As for a machine.  The one I had was like a typewriter with individual 
keys coming up to hit the paper through an inked ribbon.   Not the wheel 
or box of type keys in later machines.   Model 10 or 12 maybe?   60 wpm 
was flat out for it.   You adjusted the motor speed looking through the 
head end of a tuning fork at a painted wheel on the motor.


Can almost still remember the smell of warm oil and the beat beat sound 
of the machine typing out press.


73  Bob  W7AVK
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Fred Jensen]

On 12/16/2013 8:26 AM, Mark Petiford wrote:


I
bought a used pair of small transistor circuit boards that converted
the audio characters (diddle) to current loop characters (90ma
current loop???) for RX and TX.


60mA loops.  Later, 20mA polar loops became popular, but I don't 
remember why.  Wonder what it would be like to work a RTTY contest with 
a real teletype?  Perhaps similar to:


Having inherited an SX-28, I decided to work an NAQP CW retro.  I found 
my last 40m ARC-5 and Heath power supply in the basement and fired up 
with a J-38.  I lasted 2 hours before I overdosing on nostalgia.  Unlike 
wine, 36 years in the basement did not mellow the ARC-5's key clicks.  I 
only got shocked from the key a couple of times.


The only reason the good old days are remembered as good is because 
we had no idea what was coming. :-))


73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Mark Petiford]

Fred,

I guess my memory of the current loops as 90 ma instead of 60 ma is a little 
like my memory of how great it was...both are inflated by the years! 
    
Regards,
Mark
KE6BB

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On 12/16/2013 8:26 AM, Mark Petiford wrote: I bought a used pair of small 
transistor circuit boards that converted the audio characters (diddle) to 
current loop characters (90ma current loop???) for RX and TX.60mA loops.  
Later, 20mA polar loops became popular, but I don't remember why.  Wonder what 
it would be like to work a RTTY contest with a real teletype?  Perhaps 
similar to:Having inherited an SX-28, I decided to work an NAQP CW retro.  I 
found my last 40m ARC-5 and Heath power supply in the basement and fired up 
with a J-38.  I lasted 2 hours before I overdosing on nostalgia.  Unlike wine, 
36 years in the basement did not mellow the ARC-5's key clicks.  I only got 
shocked from the key a couple of times.The only reason the good old days are 
remembered as good is because we had no idea what was coming. :-))73,Fred 
K6DGW- Northern California Contest Club- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 
2014-
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[K1FFX]

Mine was a Model 15 and the Heathkit HD-3030 TU.

The Model 15, after sitting on the floor in a corner for about 20 years, is
alive and
well at a museum in Nova Scotia.   Have a look  here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv9rrd3DYZM  .

And actually, the HD-3030 is also alive and well.  I added Baudot support to
an open-source
serial port terminal emulator I found on the web and use it with the HD-3030
and my
TS-850's FSK port.   Works great ... just confirmed Corsica on 20M RTTY.

Cheers -

Bruce K1FFX




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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Rick Johnson]

I have 2ea MPC-1000 Dovetrons and one very nice ST-6 if that would do you any 
good.
73,Rick W3BI

 From: w...@cox.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:32:28 -0600
 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old
 
 Hi Guys,
 Anyone on here that used to run RTTY back in the Machine days or early 
 computer days?  I have a friend that's looking for an old HAL ST-6000 
 Terminal Unit in working or mostly working order.  (We can troubleshoot it  
 fix it if we can find one with the books intact).
  
 Also, I've been scrounging stuff and have come up with a HAL CT-2100 with the 
 optional KB-2100 keyboard that wasn't working -- one 25K PC mount pot and 
 some solder joint touch up and it's playing just fine.
  
 Was in our local Radio Shack/Ham Store yesterday and the owner talked me into 
 buying a HAL DKB-2010 CW/RTTY Keyboard for 10 bucks.  He said he had no idea 
 whether or not it worked, and with only minor cleanup it runs just fine as 
 well.  Good find for 10 bucks for sure.
  
 It does have a few bouncy key switches on the keyboard.  They are Stackpole 
 computer keyboard switches and I'm looking for an old mechanical computer 
 terminal keyboard with those type switches if anyone happens to have one 
 laying around they don't want anymore.
  
 Jim Sheldon - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Bob]

Hi Jim,

   What do mean by  used to?   Have a Timewave 59Y that outputs 
Baudot and is interfaced to a Model 15. Elecraft content, line out of
the K3 drives the Timewave.   The mechanical aspects of the old TTY machines are 
more interesting than the software of today, IMHO.


There is an ST6 here that ran when parked years ago. Used with 
SB300/400, also still here.


73,
Bob
K2TK   ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR


On 12/15/2013 6:32 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

Hi Guys,
Anyone on here that used to run RTTY back in the Machine days or early computer 
days?  I have a friend that's looking for an old HAL ST-6000 Terminal Unit in 
working or mostly working order.  (We can troubleshoot it  fix it if we can 
find one with the books intact).
  
Also, I've been scrounging stuff and have come up with a HAL CT-2100 with the optional KB-2100 keyboard that wasn't working -- one 25K PC mount pot and some solder joint touch up and it's playing just fine.
  
Was in our local Radio Shack/Ham Store yesterday and the owner talked me into buying a HAL DKB-2010 CW/RTTY Keyboard for 10 bucks.  He said he had no idea whether or not it worked, and with only minor cleanup it runs just fine as well.  Good find for 10 bucks for sure.
  
It does have a few bouncy key switches on the keyboard.  They are Stackpole computer keyboard switches and I'm looking for an old mechanical computer terminal keyboard with those type switches if anyone happens to have one laying around they don't want anymore.
  
Jim Sheldon - W0EB




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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Wow, I guess we have to identify the era of RTTY. My experience in RTTY
(other than casually playing with the capability in the K3) is a model 19
TTY from the WWII era. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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I have 2ea MPC-1000 Dovetrons and one very nice ST-6 if that would do you
any good.
73,Rick W3BI

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 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:32:28 -0600
 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old
 
 Hi Guys,
 Anyone on here that used to run RTTY back in the Machine days or early
computer days?  I have a friend that's looking for an old HAL ST-6000
Terminal Unit in working or mostly working order.  (We can troubleshoot it 
fix it if we can find one with the books intact).

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Jay]

Oh my word.  I haven't heard the model 15 teletype machine mentioned
in a 
very long time.  As long as you keep the felts on the main shaft
oiled, it 
will work forever!!!

Jay
AJ4AY
Mobile, AL


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 boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
 Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 4:18 PM
 To: Jim Sheldon; Elecraft Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 What do mean by  used to?   Have a Timewave 59Y
 that outputs
 Baudot and is interfaced to a Model 15. Elecraft content, line
 out of
 the K3 drives the Timewave.   The mechanical aspects of the old
 TTY machines are
 more interesting than the software of today, IMHO.
 
  There is an ST6 here that ran when parked years
 ago. Used with SB300/400, also still here.
 
 73,
 Bob
 K2TK   ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY in days of old

[Rick Bates]

Kleinschmidt. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

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 Mine was a Model 26 and a BC-610E ! (:-)
 
 73!
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3/0

[Walt W0CP]

I've been using my k3/0 for a few days and can't copy rtty on it. the remote
can copy, but only if disconnected from the rrc1258. Is this a configuration
issue also?

73, Walt W0CP



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3/0

[Richard Ferch]

Bob,

In FSK mode MMTTY's REV button doesn't change the transmit polarity. 
Transmit polarity in FSK is controlled by the radio, and the only thing 
MMTTY's REV button can do in FSK is reverse the receive polarity, which 
as you noted is the opposite to what you want.


To change the transmit polarity in FSK, use the K3's CONFIG:FSK POL 
setting. I don't know for sure about your remote configuration, but when 
using MMTTY locally CONFIG:FSK POL should be set to 1.


73,
Rich VE3KI


N7IP wrote:


I'm new to RTTY and could use some help. I must use the K3 FSK D capability
because I am remote with the K3/0. With MTTY software, I can copy guys fine
in NORMAL (not REV) mode. But the other guy sees me as either on the wrong
sideband (I'm set for LSB) or reversed. If I hit the REV button on MTTY to
fix that, I can't copy him. Yes, I know, it's a dumb question, but what am I
doing wrong?


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3/0

[N7IP]

Thanks Rich. I tried changing the POL parameter to zero earlier tonite 
and it seems to work (1 is the default). Afterward, I worked XR0ZR 
without any problem or complaints (altho the DXpedition is probably not 
going to comment much!). I'm going to try to work some more guys this 
weekend to see if the POL=0 solves the problem with MTTY.

Bob

On 11/15/2013 8:31 PM, Richard Ferch [via Elecraft] wrote:
 Bob,

 In FSK mode MMTTY's REV button doesn't change the transmit polarity.
 Transmit polarity in FSK is controlled by the radio, and the only thing
 MMTTY's REV button can do in FSK is reverse the receive polarity, which
 as you noted is the opposite to what you want.

 To change the transmit polarity in FSK, use the K3's CONFIG:FSK POL
 setting. I don't know for sure about your remote configuration, but when
 using MMTTY locally CONFIG:FSK POL should be set to 1.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


 N7IP wrote:

  I'm new to RTTY and could use some help. I must use the K3 FSK D 
 capability
  because I am remote with the K3/0. With MTTY software, I can copy 
 guys fine
  in NORMAL (not REV) mode. But the other guy sees me as either on the 
 wrong
  sideband (I'm set for LSB) or reversed. If I hit the REV button on 
 MTTY to
  fix that, I can't copy him. Yes, I know, it's a dumb question, but 
 what am I
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with a K3/0

[Walt W0CP]

I have a new k3-k3/0 twin setup going. When I have the k3/0 paired up with
the k3 neither can decode digital modes. I assume that's the state of
affairs right now. Any plans to include native support for digital in the
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY with a K3/0

[Mitch Wolfson DJØQN]

It is actually very easy to use RemoteRig and the K3 with RTTY.

Assuming you have the cable already that goes between the radio RRC and 
K3's ACC port to turn on the K3, then this cable also has the wires 
connected to use FSK. Then all you need to do is the following:


To *receive *RTTY (or any other digital mode), you need to pull the 
audio off the control RRC and put it through a sound card (or sound card 
interface) to decode things. Just use a Y-cable or similar, since an 
audio cable is already going between the RRC and the K3/0.


To *send *RTTY, you can use one of two methods:
- EITHER do so by using a sound card (interface) through the RRC's MIC 
jack, which would be AFSK (also use this method for other digital modes)
- OR after connecting a USB cable between the RRC and PC, use native FSK 
mode by switching the serial COM3 mode to RTTY and using that virtual 
COM port with your program (look at the Windows Device Manager).


73,
Mitch DJ0QN

On 11.09.2013 19:16, Steven Bertsch wrote:

I have a friend who lives in a retirement community about 100 miles from me and 
he has a K3/0 which he uses to remotely connect to my K3/100 and we're both 
using the RemoteRig boxes. He wants to start doing RTTY with MMTTY. I know 
we'll use FSK but I don't know what cables are needed for me and for him and 
where they will plug in. I'm disabled and he's too shakey to make the cables.

If anyone has done RTTY remotely and could help me by letting me know what 
needs to be done and even make any cables that are needed, I am willing to pay 
you.

Thanks, Steve K6SAB


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problem

[Jim Rhodes]

Don, remember that the RTTY generated from the terminal window does not use
the FSK interface. I was reminded of this last week when trying to diagnose
a similar problem. (Which I have yet to solve, but will now have to wait
till I get home again) I was thinking that the problem was with my HB
interface, but I didn't have time to swap out the opto in the box for a new
one. Maybe I have the same problem. Won't be back till next Friday so that
will have to wait till I have some time off. I would just get a steady tone
using MMTTY/Writelog, but got transmitted  decoded RTTY using the terminal
mode. First thing I will do is put the scope to the FSK port to see if the
signal is getting that far. If so the problem is internal, if not then
probably the 2N35 is gone in the interface. Will post here once I find out
anything.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Rich,

 What firmware version are you running?  I have version 4.61 loaded and do
 not see the problem.
 I just tried it using the K3 Utility Terminal window, and listened to the
 monitor with the K3 in TX TEST and heard (and decoded) the text sent.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 12/20/2012 11:20 PM, K3RWN wrote:

 I will try to explain as best as I can.


 When I put my K3 into RTTY mode it does not TX FSK.  I get a single tone
 with no power out.


 Until I go into the menu and switch from 45baud FSK to say 31baud PSK and
 back to FSK?


 I know this has been discussed before but I have not seen any fixes in the
 newest versions of FW.


 Is there a FW fix coming for this issue?


 Rich

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problem

[Don Wilhelm]

Jim,

Yes, I understand that, but ---  If the terminal window works, the K3 
itself is capable of generating RTTY.


Still, try the K3 Utility Terminal window to help to isolate the problem.
If the Terminal window does not procuce RTTY code, then the problem is 
in the K3 DSP.  However, if the terminal generated RTTY works, next try 
RTTY from the paddles (or if you cannot use the paddles well enough, 
store a K3 memory and play that).


If both of those work, look carefully a whatever level conversion you 
are using between the K3 FSK input and your RTTY generating interface.


Problems like this are usually solved in stages - verify what is working 
as well as what is not working and you can more easily isolate to the 
source of the problem.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/21/2012 7:45 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:

Don, remember that the RTTY generated from the terminal window does not use
the FSK interface. I was reminded of this last week when trying to diagnose
a similar problem. (Which I have yet to solve, but will now have to wait
till I get home again) I was thinking that the problem was with my HB
interface, but I didn't have time to swap out the opto in the box for a new
one. Maybe I have the same problem. Won't be back till next Friday so that
will have to wait till I have some time off. I would just get a steady tone
using MMTTY/Writelog, but got transmitted  decoded RTTY using the terminal
mode. First thing I will do is put the scope to the FSK port to see if the
signal is getting that far. If so the problem is internal, if not then
probably the 2N35 is gone in the interface. Will post here once I find out
anything.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:


Rich,

What firmware version are you running?  I have version 4.61 loaded and do
not see the problem.
I just tried it using the K3 Utility Terminal window, and listened to the
monitor with the K3 in TX TEST and heard (and decoded) the text sent.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/20/2012 11:20 PM, K3RWN wrote:


I will try to explain as best as I can.


When I put my K3 into RTTY mode it does not TX FSK.  I get a single tone
with no power out.


Until I go into the menu and switch from 45baud FSK to say 31baud PSK and
back to FSK?


I know this has been discussed before but I have not seen any fixes in the
newest versions of FW.


Is there a FW fix coming for this issue?


Rich

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Problem

[Don Wilhelm]

Rich,

What firmware version are you running?  I have version 4.61 loaded and 
do not see the problem.
I just tried it using the K3 Utility Terminal window, and listened to 
the monitor with the K3 in TX TEST and heard (and decoded) the text sent.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/20/2012 11:20 PM, K3RWN wrote:

I will try to explain as best as I can.

  


When I put my K3 into RTTY mode it does not TX FSK.  I get a single tone
with no power out.

  


Until I go into the menu and switch from 45baud FSK to say 31baud PSK and
back to FSK?

  


I know this has been discussed before but I have not seen any fixes in the
newest versions of FW.

  


Is there a FW fix coming for this issue?

  


Rich

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY no transmit

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

It is time to ask some dumb questions.
You mentioned tones - if you are using soundcard generated RTTY tones, 
are you set for AFSK A data submode?

You say the Transmit button does not turn on the K3 to transmit. Are you 
tapping the XMIT button?  When you do that, does the red TX LED turn 
on?  If so, the K3 is in the transmit state.

Adjust the line in gain and the soundcard audio controls to give you 4 
bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter display. Ignore 
the conventional wisdom found on the internet - the K3 is different - 
set the desired power level with the power knob, not the audio level.

Normally, the K3 can run in VOX mode, or the software application can 
assert transmit for you if you tell that application how to do that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2012 1:11 PM, William Levy wrote:
 Obviously something simple. K3 Utility talks to the K3.
 k3 Terminal app receives RTTY perfectly.
 Can't transmit though as the transmit button doesn't turn on the K3 to
 transmit nor do tones go when I transmit manually from the K3.

 So interested to know what I am doing wrong.

 Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY no transmit

[Dick Dievendorff]

I'm going to guess that the K3's Data Mode is other than FSK-D. or PSK-D
The -D modes (and CW) are the only modes supported for transmit with the K3
Utility terminal page which uses the KY command.

See K3 Utility Help for the Terminal page, which says in part, under Data
Mode Buttons:

The K3 Utility does not change the K3's Mode, Data sub-mode, or Text Decode
settings. Use the K3 Front Panel MODE, DATA MD, and TEXT DEC buttons to
select the desired Mode (CW or Data sub-mode FSK-D or PSK-D), and enable
Text Decode. Receive-only Text Decode is available in AFSK-A, but the KY
command used for transmit requires CW, FSK-D or PSK-D. If no characters are
sent, or sending seems to stutter, it may be because your K3 is in an
inappropriate Mode or Data sub-mode, or Text Decode is not functioning. See
the Elecraft K3 Owner's Manual sections on Data Modes and Advanced
Operating Procedures: Text Decode and Display for details. 

73 de Dick, K6KR


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To: William Levy
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY no transmit

Bill,

It is time to ask some dumb questions.
You mentioned tones - if you are using soundcard generated RTTY tones, are
you set for AFSK A data submode?

You say the Transmit button does not turn on the K3 to transmit. Are you
tapping the XMIT button?  When you do that, does the red TX LED turn on?  If
so, the K3 is in the transmit state.

Adjust the line in gain and the soundcard audio controls to give you 4 bars
solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter display. Ignore the
conventional wisdom found on the internet - the K3 is different - set the
desired power level with the power knob, not the audio level.

Normally, the K3 can run in VOX mode, or the software application can assert
transmit for you if you tell that application how to do that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2012 1:11 PM, William Levy wrote:
 Obviously something simple. K3 Utility talks to the K3.
 k3 Terminal app receives RTTY perfectly.
 Can't transmit though as the transmit button doesn't turn on the K3 to 
 transmit nor do tones go when I transmit manually from the K3.

 So interested to know what I am doing wrong.

 Bill N2WL
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