Re: [e-users] [E-devel] user community guidelines (please reply to ALL)
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Tom Hacohen t...@osg.samsung.com wrote: I don't think fake fluff and walking on eggshells around everyone are productive or beneficial. It takes me much more time to second guess every word I write and carefully word everything, where the information conveyed and the intent end up being exactly the same. I honestly think, that like you said, the problem is with the people getting insulted. When I talk to people, unless I know them very well, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. This works great for me, I have no memory of ever being railed up by anyone who hasn't explicitly and undoubtedly tried to offend me and go personal. The so-called fluff is only fake if one fails to actually care about people's feelings. Blaming the victim, and putting the onus on the abused to respond differently rather than addressing one's own abusive behavior, is itself further abuse. If a person is hurting people's feelings with their words and causing others to feel badly about themselves, THAT PERSON is the problem, and the solution is that person changing THEMSELVES, not everyone else making excuses for them and saying, Well that's just so-and-so. He's an ass. Expecting everyone else to change to accommodate one's own personal failings is selfish, narcissistic, and just plain wrong. So what if it takes you more time to choose your words carefully? That's time well spent if it saves others from having to endure the sting of cyberbullying. I can say these things because I used to be the resident asshole of this community. I used to be the one who was insulting, abusive, and downright mean. I set a really shitty example, and I'm not proud of who I used to be. But I've grown up now. And I encourage anyone else who might be treating others badly to do the same. If I can do it, anyone can. I think E very much needs a Code of Conduct, and its contents should be considered carefully if its purpose is to make sure people are treated fairly, particularly women and other under-represented minorities, within the community. The Enlightenment project, despite its name, has not been very enlightened over the years in the way it has dealt with people who aren't straight white men, and that has undoubtedly cost us contributors. (Yes, I know I bear a rather large amount of responsibility for that. And that makes me very sad.) Much of the reason has to do with our long-held tradition of harsh criticism and verbal abuse in the face of perceived stupidity (which was in most cases, and continues to be, more about ignorance, apathy, and/or error). Even being blunt and harsh with people who claim they can handle it, or might even prefer it, may still scare off potential timid contributors. Everyone making the effort to treat each other better will pay off handsomely in the long run! In the interest of improvement, I offer this: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Code_of_conduct_evaluations I think it offers some valuable insights into what might be missing from the current version as well as some alternatives from other projects that have proven successful and effective. It might also be educational for the men in the community to read this list of reasons why women don't tend to contribute to Wikipedia -- many of their reasons resonate in the open source world as well! http://suegardner.org/2011/02/19/nine-reasons-why-women-dont-edit-wikipedia-in-their-own-words/ Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@eterm.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology packages for Debian or list of build packages?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Marc MERLIN marc_...@merlins.org wrote: While we're at it, another thing I really liked with Eterm. Eterm had 'steal focus' in its menu. I use this when the WM is hung but X still works so that I can type in that terminal to fix things. Use an NFS homedir that hangs, or kill -STOP enlightenment to see what I mean, and then you can't move your typing focus to a terminal to fix things unless you already have an Eterm running. Would that be easy to add? It should be fairly trivial. It's just an action binding which leads to the following: XSetInputFocus(Xdisplay, my_window, RevertToParent, CurrentTime); XRaiseWindow(Xdisplay, my_window); Eterm's escape sequence for that is \e]5;\a if you want to use the same one. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] gmail and reply-to
On Sunday, 31 July 2011, at 18:04:46 (+0100), Steve Jones wrote: I'm with Paul on this one. This is incorrect. Adding reply-to is bad behavior. Here's why: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html The most important reason being that it becomes essentially impossible for most e-mail clients, including GMail, to reply to author only. This can make for very embarassing public posts which were not meant to be, among other things. It boggles my mind how people who've been using e-mail for 15+ years have managed to go this long without ever having to reply to more than the original sender of an e-mail. :-P We can reply to all, but it's not ideal and people (me included) frequently just hit reply - that's what you do when you respond to an email. It shouldn't be. What *should* happen is that you determine to whom you wish to reply and then take appropriate action. Yes, this requires thought. Most worthwhile things do. The default position should be that all responses to mailing list messages go back to the mailing list, unless the user decides to override it. How? How does one override it? Most e-mail clients only have 2 options: Reply and Reply All. There is no Reply to Author button in the majority of cases. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I know I could have saved our love that night if I'd known what to say. Instead of making love, we both made our separate ways. Now I hear you've found somebody new and that I never meant that much to you. To hear that tears me up inside, and to see you cuts me like a knife. -- Poison, Every Rose Has Its Thorn -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] ACPI Settings Changed to Buttons?
On Wednesday, 11 May 2011, at 08:16:01 (-0500), Jeff Hoogland wrote: Touche - but I also think closing lid is hardly a Button :P Power Management, Energy Conservation, or even Green Computing would be more appropriate and clear. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You did not tell the truth, and so you will have to pay the consequences.-- Bob Barker, Truth or Consequences -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Saturday, 17 April 2010, at 17:33:59 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Nope, but I gave up trying to coerce Eterm to play nice with mc. Yes, I did search and read web pages about how other people had to change things to get Eterm to do some of what I needed, but I could never get it to do all that I need. Roxterm just works as far as my mc usage is concerned, there was no need to mess with it. I've used mc on numerous occasions with no problems. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Saying 'no' to something is actually much more powerful than saying 'yes.' -- Tom Hanks on Charlie Rose -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 10:17:21 (+0200), Christian Ullmann wrote: What about eterm right now? I saw the sources on SVN but i havnt compiled them. As you answered it seems eterm is a bit incomplete... Eterm is complete and rock-solid. It is not, however, based on evas or the current EFL; it still uses Imlib2 for the time being. (That will change.) Many people still use it every day, myself obviously included. And AFAIK, no other terminal sports a feature like Escreen. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Only time will tell if our love is scratched in sand, Or if it's etched in stone.-- Poison, Only Time Will Tell -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] RES: Some constructive criticism
On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 10:12:39 (-0300), Paulo Diovani wrote: 3) There is not a terminal emulator Eterm can be mentioned as E's terminal emulator, and it is a great terminal emulator. It's only problem is the lack of utf-8 support, reason for qhat i changed to urxvt, that's very lite, clean, and don't have tabs (i don't like tabs on terminals). If you check out the Eterm-0.10 branch from SVN, it *does* feature UTF-8 support. Feedback on this is most welcome as it may still have some rough edges, but it does work. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The key to success? Work hard, stay focused, and marry a Kennedy. -- Arnold Schwarzenegger -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some constructive criticism
On Friday, 16 April 2010, at 13:33:21 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: I was a long time konsole user, but switched to eterm. I gave up on eterm though, mostly coz it just plain don't play well with mc, which is a critical app for me. Roxtem does work well for me now. I've never had any problems using mc with Eterm. Are you trying to set $TERM to something other than Eterm by any chance? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- With every kiss our love is like brand new, and every star up in the sky was made for me and you. Still we both know that the road is long. But we know that we will be together because our love is strong. -- Firehouse, Love of a Lifetime -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Forecasts codes
On Friday, 13 November 2009, at 19:57:06 (+0200), Viktor Kojouharov wrote: Of course, if anyone knows an easier way to get these codes, do share! I guess you can also click on the rss button in the firefox address bar, and then the url will contain the code. Still way too roundabout though. This is exactly why weather uses airport codes. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Have I told you today how much I love you? Yes, but you may continue to repeat it for as long as you like. -- President Sheridan and Delenn, Babylon Five -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Forecasts codes
On Friday, 13 November 2009, at 21:53:34 (+0200), Viktor Kojouharov wrote: for me, both of these types of codes are equally hard to obtain for someone who has no idea where to look. Everyone knows their airport code, or at least should. And there are millions of places to find them, not the least of which being Google. I hope the new weather can obtain any codes automatically I hope the new weather doesn't make the same mistakes forecasts did. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Don't you see what Watley is after? Total joke-telling immunity! He's already got the big two religions covered. If he ever gets Polish citizenship, there'll be no stopping him! -- Jerry Seinfeld -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Forecasts codes
On Friday, 13 November 2009, at 22:06:02 (+0200), Viktor Kojouharov wrote: strange that only you complained about the method yahoo uses to identify locations. imho, I doubt everyone knows or should know these airport codes. I certainly don't know any of these codes, and so far I haven't needed to know them. I'm not sure why you think that's strange or what point you're trying to make here. As for not knowing your airport code, the vast majority of people do know them, even if you don't. And I'll guarantee you that significantly more people know their airport code than know their obscure Yahoo! weather code. Google for airport code or ICAO code if you want to find yours. which also brings another question. how do you provide a weather forecast for a location that has no airport? That's exactly why Yahoo! uses a different system -- because it provides greater granularity. But it does so at the expense of accessibility. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I try to smile so the hurt won't show, tell everybody I was glad to see you go. But the tears just won't go away. Loneliness found me; looks like it's here to stay. -- Expose, I'll Never Get Over You (Getting Over Me) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment_remote retired? {expletive deleted}
On Thursday, 01 October 2009, at 02:04:54 (-0400), Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Or to put it another way, Who do I gotta kill to get them to keep something like enlightenment_remote around, even if it's really just a wrapper written to keep as many things scriptable as possible... Stop whining. E is free. If you were paying for it, you might have a right to get mad, but you're not, and you don't. So stop being a crybaby and do something about it. You have 3 choices: Suck it up and deal, pay someone to make whatever additions/modifications/ changes/reverts you wish, or contribute something yourself. Nothing pisses off open source authors more than users who think they're entitled to something simply because they do us the honor of using our software. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I don't care if you win or lose, just as long as you win. -- Vince Lombardi -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment_remote retired? {expletive deleted}
On Thursday, 01 October 2009, at 21:33:43 (+0200), Ralf Mardorf wrote: your note is fair, but anyway I guess you misunderstood him. OTOH don't speak for all FLOSS coders. Some do like to get feedback, also negative feedback, that's why there are a lot of very good WMs/ DEs for Linux. There's a big difference between one who offers constructive criticism and whiny little bitch. Had the referenced e-mail been more of an inquiry or a suggestion, the responses would have been quite different (though what Gustavo said would still have been the bottom line -- it's being replaced by a dbus-based tool which will have largely equivalent functionality eventually). But that's not what happened. Most authors, myself included, are thrilled to pieces when others find their software useful enough to use it. That's why we do what we do. But that doesn't mean it's okay to chew out an author because he does something you don't agree with with software that HE wrote and that HE gave away for free despite the massive amount of hours that went into it. It's absolutely okay that every argument to change something is appeased. E17 is from you coders for you coders, but not for users with special needs. I've got e17 from svn installed because I liked it some years ago, when it was too unstable. Today I'm missing to much, so I'll watch the development, but I don't use it or would recommend to use it, especially because you coders don't like tips from users. Don't get me wrong, I accepted it, anyway I guess it's not clever to ignore users for your own progress ;). Nobody's ignoring anybody, and user feedback is important. But there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it. He chose poorly. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- With you I never wonder will you be there for me. With you I never wonder. You're the right one for me. -- Firehouse, Love of a Lifetime -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment_remote retired? {expletive deleted}
On Thursday, 01 October 2009, at 22:06:57 (+0400), batden wrote: pay someone to make whatever additions/modifications/ changes/reverts you wish Very good idea! How about hiring a dev to implement utf-8 in Eterm, you lazy brat... No need. There's already a patch out there for UTF-8 support. kwo sent it to the mailing list awhile back; I just have to figure out how to merge it without breaking non-UTF-8 locales. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry' ...-- Gary Larson, The Far Side -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is E17 causing memory leak in X.org ?
On Saturday, 13 June 2009, at 09:07:44 (+0100), Peter Kraus wrote: Well, I tried everything I could think of to track this issue. Sorry that my occupation is not a programmer that I couldn't fix it myself, but I've been asking at #e about this for quite a long time, being willing to provide you guys with anything you wanted, just to get responses works for me or doesn't leak for me all the time. Logically, if the only thing I changed was the WM (E17 vs Openbox/Fluxbox) and the memleak magically stopped on both machines (nouveau / radeon drivers), I think the assumption the fault is in E was not too illogical. I'm still here, happy to provide you with any debug output you want; just don't mock me, okay? Ignore him. He was being rude. He doesn't seem to realize that server-side X resources are not stored as pointers on the client side and thus probably aren't trackable via valgrind. Not to mention that trying to track leaks and resources with gdb is like using an astrolabe for automobile navigation. It sounds like there are a few different people experiencing strange server-side leaks, but if xrestop isn't showing anything, it may simply be a server-specific issue. I'm not sure we can offer much help on that. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Touch passion when it comes your way. It's rare enough as it is. Don't walk away when it calls you by name. -- Marcus Cole (Jason Carter), Babylon Five -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is E17 causing memory leak in X.org ?
On Thursday, 11 June 2009, at 12:03:57 (+0200), RocketIII Scientist wrote: res-base Wins GCs Fnts Pxms Misc Pxm mem Other Total PID Identifier 08080 1912 4391K 13K 10013K 31676 Enlightenment Background ... Isn't the Pxm mem value a bit large ? (I'm using E17 default background image). Umm, no? There are only 2 pixmaps, and 1K is only 10MB. You have a 3200x1200 desktop. Assuming 24bpp, that's 3*3200*1200, or 1152 bytes (about 10MB). Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Shouldn't we help her find her way back to a place called home? Honey, she's wearing synthetic plaid. It's a four day drive and a boat trip to a place called home. -- Sean Hayes (Jack) and Megan Mullally (Karen), Will and Grace -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Eterm 0.9.5 pasting
On Thursday, 14 May 2009, at 14:59:11 (+0200), Pavel Sanda wrote: with upgrade from eterm 0.9.4 to 0.9.5 i have lost the possibility to use middle-button-pasting to other apps, eg from eterm to ooffice. can anybody confirm? There was a patch made to Eterm before 0.9.5 was released that affected copy-and-paste. It is said to fix problems with Qt apps, but I've also been told by others that it breaks things. Here's the patch: --- 8 - cut here --- 8 --- Index: src/screen.c === --- src/screen.c(revision 34572) +++ src/screen.c(revision 34573) @@ -3320,7 +3320,7 @@ target_list[0] = (Atom32) props[PROP_SELECTION_TARGETS]; target_list[1] = (Atom32) XA_STRING; XChangeProperty(Xdisplay, rq-requestor, rq-property, rq-target, -(8 * sizeof(target_list[0])), PropModeReplace, (unsigned char *) target_list, +8, PropModeReplace, (unsigned char *) target_list, (sizeof(target_list) / sizeof(target_list[0]))); ev.xselection.property = rq-property; #if defined(MULTI_CHARSET) defined(HAVE_X11_XMU_ATOMS_H) --- 8 - cut here --- 8 --- Try reverting that change, and see if it helps. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see. -- Taoist Proverb -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Edje Enlightenment failed to build
On Saturday, 03 January 2009, at 21:56:36 (-0500), Christopher Michael wrote: Yea, ended up running into this error myself :( wondering if it's just a typo... Sachiel forgot to remove the '8' when he changed from Xutf8 to Xmb Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- USA Today has come out with a new survey: Apparently three out of four people make up 75 percent of the population. -- David Letterman -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] proper way to compile eina using gcc 3.3.6
On Monday, 10 November 2008, at 08:28:21 (-0500), Chris Wright wrote: And that version of GCC is pretty out of date; is there any reason you're using that rather than a more recent version? This is not true. gcc 4 is actually quite new, in the grand scheme of compiler lifespan, and a lot of code does not compile with it. It is perfectly reasonable for a particular distribution to stick with gcc 3.x for the time being, and eina should not require gcc 4 to build. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world. -- Dave Barry - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Forecasts module broken?
On Friday, 08 August 2008, at 14:42:16 (+0100), Steve Jones wrote: A couple of days ago my forecasts module stopped working - all I get is null weather conditions. Is anyone else seeing this, and if so is it a known problem? My first guess would be that Yahoo Weather's interface has changed, so the modules can't figure out its output any more. The weather module still seems to be working, so I'd give that a try in the meantime. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Know that I love you, and no matter what, I'll see you again. -- Brian Sweeney, passenger on a hijacked airliner, to his wife - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Eterm 0.9.5 Released
Eterm 0.9.5 has been released. This release contains several bugfixes, a couple new features, and most importantly a fix for CVE-2008-1692. All users are strongly advised to upgrade to this version as soon as possible. Source and binary RPM's as well as the source tarballs have been posted at the following locations: http://www.eterm.org/download/ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=212 Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Though it's been a while now, I can still feel so much pain. Like the knife that cuts you, the wound heals, but the scar, that scar remains. -- Poison, Every Rose Has Its Thorn - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] imlib2-1.4.1 Released
Imlib2 1.4.1 has been released to address security vulnerabilities in the PNM and XPM image loaders which can be exploited to cause applications linked against Imlib2 to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running the application (or root, if the application is setuid/setgid). All users are encouraged to upgrade to this latest release immediately. More information on the vulnerabilities maybe found here: http://secunia.com/advisories/30401/ http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-2426 Users may download the appropriate source package from sourceforge.net (indirect URLs): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/imlib2-1.4.1-1.src.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/imlib2-1.4.1.tar.bz2 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/imlib2-1.4.1.tar.gz Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again. -- Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4
On Tuesday, 13 May 2008, at 14:18:58 (+0100), sda wrote: Your credentioals are mentioned as Packager: in spec files. It's funny, because I've got no idea which distro could use them out of the box. All of them should be modified to reflect at least naming differences of different distros packeges. And disclosure needed that they're NO WAY capable to work with E-cvs without some naming modifications. Or better to say that they're simply not intended for E-cvs at all. I'd like to try to keep this productive, but I think the FUD here needs to be addressed. RPM convention is to have the package name (i.e., the RPM name) match the upstream package name (i.e., the tarball name), so that is the convention we follow. Distributions which violate that standard are incorrect and will obviously require spec file changes. I'll admit that I haven't done a build run recently, so there may be some spec file drift in current CVS. I will resolve that very soon. Obviously packages which use *.spec instead of *.spec.in are more prone to this drift. That said, I just tested eet, and both of the following worked fine and build both source and binary packages: $ ./autogen.sh make dist mzbuild $ ./autogen.sh make dist rpmbuild -ta eet*.tar.gz So yes, they are exactly intended to work with E CVS as shown above. They follow standard RPM best practices and conventions and work with standard tools (i.e., rpmbuild) as well as supplemental toolkits such as Mezzanine and pkgbuilder. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Know that I love you, and no matter what, I'll see you again. -- Brian Sweeney, passenger on a hijacked airliner, to his wife - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e16 from Fedora Repos failure
On Thursday, 24 April 2008, at 15:50:22 (+0700), Jean-Phi wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum -y update [...] Package Arch Version RepositorySize Updating: e16 i386 0.16.8.12-3.fc7 updates 964 k Transaction Summary Install 0 Package(s) Update 1 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 964 k Downloading Packages: (1/1): e16-0.16.8.12-3.fc 100% |=| 964 kB00:37 [...] Running Transaction Updating : e16 # [1/2] First off, we don't supply this repo or these packages, so you should really take this up with the repo maintainer, not this list. Error unpacking rpm package e16 - 0.16.8.12-3.fc7.i386 error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/e16/themes/winter/ttfonts: cpio: rename Updated: e16.i386 0:0.16.8.12-3.fc7 Complete! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# -Is it because I am currently running a straight-from-sourceforge e16.8.12? -If the issue is on Fedora Repos side, I will take care of filling a bug report by the packager. renaming errors often comes from Permissions issues, so I checked to see if there were any obvious difference from one file to the other but nope. And I don't have a cpio file there. cpio is the internal format that RPM stores files in. The rename error comes not from permissions but rather from trying to replace a directory with a symbolic link. This operation must be done in %pretrans, which the packager probably didn't know. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The last time I checked, the Constitution said, 'of the people, by the people, and for the people.' That's what the Declaration of Independence says. -- President Bill Clinton, criticizing anti- government rhetoric during campaign (The quote is actually from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.) - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 photo gallery
On Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 10:06:57 (-0300), andres wrote: I would have gone with detour myself, but since it get's no publicity for some reason. Perhaps you didn't knew about it? Someone is nice enough to give us some publicity, and we respond by being rude? I think a more correct response would've been thanks. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I want to stand with you on a mountain. I want to bathe with you in the sea. I want to lay like this forever, until the sky falls down on me.-- Savage Garden, Truly, Madly, Deeply - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] AC_CHECK_HEADERS_ONCE errors building e on Red Hat EL 5
On Monday, 10 March 2008, at 16:06:10 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: One of the developers thought it would be a god idea to use macros from a bleeding edge version of the autofoo development tools. Makes it hard for us that are using older, more stable distros. Especially in this case where the change only gives a slight improvement in build time. Not worth it yet. Change all references to AC_CHECK_HEADERS_ONCE to be AC_CHECK_HEADERS. Fixed in CVS. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You've got more paranoid fantasies than Stephen King on crack. -- Mr. James, Newsradio - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
On Monday, 27 August 2007, at 07:45:08 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: yes - and the bad bit is - this conflicts with code for the config gui. the fact is that almost every app on the planet provides a GUI (built in) to configure itself - preferences dialogs for firefox, settings dialogs for gimp. almost NONE provide remote control. most of the time people don't care - and don't need it. This is, of course, not true. Most systems, including firefox (prefs.js) and GIMP (gimprc, et al.), use text-based configurations which do not require specialized remote control tools beyond a simple text editor. But even they provide mechanisms for controlling program behavior from afar, from JavaScript and Script-Fu to special command line parameters. An automated way of manipulating program configuration is both wanted and needed. The current implementation of E IPC is pretty ugly, yes. That doesn't mean IPC is bad. It means the IPC code was not designed properly. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Pleure pas petite sirene, la ville dort encore. Ton histoire commence a peine. Pleure pas petite sirene, le jour attend dehors dans les brumes et les fontaines. -- Francis Cabrel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot
On Friday, 24 August 2007, at 00:27:12 (+0200), giglio robbo' d'acciaio wrote: I know that e17 uses fake transparency. Not on this planet. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- God hears them cry. (Thou shalt not kill.) You hear the lie. (Do what you will.) And you simply look the other way. -- Holy Soldier, See No Evil (re abortion) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Launching Eterm, xserver from git, BAD performance
On Thursday, 05 July 2007, at 20:56:35 (+1000), Daniel Kasak wrote: I've *finally* tracked this down to UTF8 support ( or lack thereof ), somewhere. If I start eterm: LC_ALL=en_AU Eterm it starts up normally. This is actually an issue with multibyte fonts and really has little to do with Eterm. It's an Xlib problem. It just so happens that Eterm loads all its fonts in advance instead of waiting until they're used...a behavior which I'll probably have to revert because of this. Just haven't yet. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Savor the fruit of life, my young friends. It has a sweet taste when it is fresh from the vine. But don't live too long; the taste turns bitter after a time.-- Kor, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thursday, 23 August 2007, at 10:15:35 (+), Peter wrote: I think that if engage standalone is to survive, it will have to fork off the existing modular project and become independent. Next, it will have to have a standardized, non-eap-style, method of accessing programs and objects. .desktop files are so small as are most png files, there's no point to package them. It's free software. If you think you know what needs to be done, do it. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Narrow is the road and too high a price to pay when loneliness is such a sanctuary. Empty are the musings and wasted are the days when you say you were only waiting. -- Jars of Clay, Famous Last Words - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] new project for e17
On Sunday, 03 June 2007, at 22:18:27 (+0200), Morten Nilsen wrote: For simplicity, might I suggest you call it e3p, or maybe eras? Eppp might be confused with epp which is something else all together. Please be reasonable. eppp makes perfect sense; the only thing clearer might be e-ppp and that's arguable. e3p does not imply anything about PPP, and eras evokes erase long before anything about dial-up networking. Michele, eppp is a great name. Ignore the nonsense. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a 'protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor,' and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargill, C++ Journal - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] New WWW site??
On Friday, 01 June 2007, at 10:43:36 (-0500), MillTek wrote: I see a lot of posts on the E-CVS mailing list about changes/additions to a new web-site. Can anyone send me a link to the site itself? Or has it not been published yet? Tried www.enlightenment.org? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Your Plan and the stuff that comes out of my asshole bear a suspicious resemblance to each other.-- The Long Walk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules
On Tuesday, 22 May 2007, at 14:01:16 (-0400), Christopher Michael wrote: yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them (libtldl in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package files for e17 remove any .a's for modules same for evas and emotion. I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just checked the official E modules installations, and they are also installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module. No, raster's right. Using libtool basically forces us to install the *.a files with make install, but if you look at the spec files for e, evas, etc., you'll see this: rm -f `find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/enlightenment -name *.a -print` I think you were confused about what sample package files meant. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] desktop Icon AND aplication menu
On Sunday, 20 May 2007, at 14:53:18 (+0200), gimpel wrote: the e17 packager only updates, when the version number changes on enlightenment.freedesktop.org - there is no way to see if there are updates other than asparagus Congratulations on finding the flaw in your e17 packager. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- So when I'm far away, I will always be with you. You will never be alone. So if you feel the need, take my hand and share this night. It will be Eternity. -- Blessid Union of Souls, Forever for Tonight - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] libxine
On Monday, 30 April 2007, at 11:51:17 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: i know from a user point of view this can be frustrating that we get a bit edgy helping out with these things - because we would prefer that such prerequisite experience and knowledge of their system is handled outside of our support because it is not something we can really fix in code - if it is a problem we can fix in our code - then it is of interest. :) so don't take this wrongly - i'm just letting you know that you should always FIRST check your own system and os - keep your house in order and use support mechanism from your distribution or google for things BEFORE writing an email to here - because once emails come in, it involves the time and effort of a bunch of people other than yourself to help you. if you can help yourself first - try that :) And every time a user learns to Google before spamming the list with questions unrelated to the project's code, not only have we helped save ourselves unnecessary support time, but we've saved other projects the same. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I will sail my vessel till the river runs dry. Like a bird upon the wind, these waters are my sky. I'll never reach my destination if I never try, so I will sail my vessel till the river runs dry. -- Garth Brooks, The River - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] libxine
On Saturday, 28 April 2007, at 11:50:08 (-0400), roland wrote: Hi fellow E ers. Where does one obtain this library ? www.google.com Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Quit playin' games with my heart before you tear us apart. I should've known from the start before you got into my heart. -- Backstreet Boys - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] libxine
On Saturday, 28 April 2007, at 19:23:52 (+0200), Nikolas Arend wrote: up a lot of hits for libxine (mostly links to distros and all sorts of binary packages), Distro packages. Hmmm...packages one can install on one's distro. Hmmm... Yes, you're right, very unhelpful. Silly me. :P Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- 90% of a woman's pheromones come out the top of her head. That's why women are shorter: so that men will fall in love when they hug them. -- Phoebe Buffay (Lisa Kudrow), Friends - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Another issue with CVS
On Tuesday, 03 April 2007, at 14:58:46 (+1000), Daniel Kasak wrote: Strangely enough I seem to remember being flamed by Michael for asking a stupid question of my own a little while ago. At least he doesn't discriminate. If you mean over a year and a half ago, then I did point out to you that opinions on distros were off-topic. I did not flame you then, and I did not flame anyone here. Nor did I ever use the phrase stupid question. In fact, no one even asked a question. Someone jumped to a conclusion, and that conclusion was wrong. Apparently I come off a lot more pissed off than I really am. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Oh gaze of love, so melt my pride that I may in your house but kneel, and in my brokenness to cry spring worship unto thee. -- Jars of Clay, Hymn - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Another issue with CVS
On Sunday, 01 April 2007, at 21:31:15 (-0500), MillTek wrote: OK, CVS itself may be functioning properly but there's something wrong with those files (or the ones immediately after them). No, there isn't. The script has performed flawlessly in the months since I started using it. Therefore something in the CVS files orfilestructure has changed. Your logic is in error. My car has driven flawlessly in the months since I started using it. Therefore something in your road has changed. Maybe I'm wrong but if so, I can't see how. I'd start by trying to figure out what the 'C' means in a CVS update. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I am I myself alone. I realize I never need [anyone]. Money, power, holy roads...Freedom puts my faith in none of the above. -- Duran Duran, None of the Above - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Another issue with CVS
On Monday, 02 April 2007, at 10:07:09 (-0500), Zachary Goldberg wrote: To more directly attempt to actually solve your problem: Try and delete all your old stuff, and do a fresh checkout. That should definetely solve your issue. Yes, because that's the solution to all problems: Nuke everything and start over. Reboot. Reinstall. Don't try to educate people on what's actually going wrong or why things are behaving differently. Don't encourage people to seek out information or learn anything new. Just perpetuate the ignorant automatons and reinforce the mantra: Restart. Reboot. Reinstall. Seems I've heard that rhetoric somewhere before Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- USA Today has come out with a new survey: Apparently three out of four people make up 75 percent of the population. -- David Letterman - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About cvs
On Tuesday, 06 March 2007, at 11:22:08 (-0500), Ross Vandegrift wrote: I've got version 1.12.13 it's got list. Pardon me for not knowing all about my version of cvs which seems to be otherwise functional and typical. Be careful about what, and amongst whom, you speak authoritatively. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You cannot look into the eyes of him whose face you cannot see. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About cvs
On Monday, 05 March 2007, at 19:11:08 (-0500), Ross Vandegrift wrote: In general, cvs has a list command that can list, but the CVS server doesn't support it for e17. Oh really? And what would the syntax for this list command be? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I listen to your favorite song playing on the radio. Hear the DJ say love's a game of easy come and easy go, but I wonder, does he know? Has it ever felt like this? And I know that you'd be here right now if I could have let you know somehow. -- Poison, Every Rose Has Its Thorn - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About cvs
On Monday, 05 March 2007, at 23:26:32 (-0600), Jesse Luehrs wrote: $ cvs help 21 | grep ls ls List files available from CVS rls List files in a module $ cvs -H ls Unknown command: `ls' $ cvs --version Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.11.22 (client/server) That's the latest stable version. So no, CVS in general does NOT support list. But thanks for playing. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I long for the warmth of days gone by, when you were mine, but now those days are memories in time. Life's empty without you by my side. My heart belongs to you no matter what I try. -- Boyz II Men, Four Seasons of Loneliness - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] On Entrance and Shutdown on E16
On Thursday, 22 February 2007, at 13:16:23 (+), Paulo J. Matos wrote: When I installed Entrace 0.9.0.007 through Gentoo Portage and ran it, it only appeared in the top left part of my monitor, not completely filling it, i.e., I don't think it was running in fullscreen or maybe it didn't detect screen resolution correctly. Does anyone know something about this issue? Or the best thing is just to use entrance straight from cvs head? I've had the same problem using the CVS version, but only on some machines, and it's not at all consistent. One of these days I'm going to have to sort through the recent changes and see if I can find the one responsible. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Ready? Why do your people always ask if someone is ready right before you're going to do something massively unwise? Tradition. -- Ambassadors Sinclair and Delenn, Babylon Five - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Can't compile embryo from actual CVS
On Saturday, 10 February 2007, at 18:47:21 (+0100), Mirek wrote: make: Warning: File `configure.in' has modification time 2,8e+02 s in the future Try fixing your clock. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. -- George Carlin - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Digital Clock Module
On Monday, 08 January 2007, at 22:04:14 (+0100), Andreas Volz wrote: Ups :-) Here it is. Your attachment has been rejected due to a naughty MIME type. Try text/plain if you want it to get through, and do NOT attach binary files. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Blessed are the shallow; depth they'll never find. Seems to be some comfort in rooms I try to hide. Exposed beyond the shadows, you take the cup from me. Your dirt removes my blindness; your pain becomes my peace. -- Jars of Clay, Frail - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Icon in Border and Window List and iBox
On Wednesday, 06 December 2006, at 08:54:29 (+1300), Jochen Schroeder wrote: the Eterm you are starting still has the normal Eterm window name. You don't know that. The name can be in the theme just like every other setting. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- When the Lord closes a door, somewhere he opens a window. -- Maria Von Trapp (Julie Andrews), The Sound of Music - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] DR17, eterm (cust and paste) and bioapi usage
On Saturday, 02 December 2006, at 20:29:43 (+0100), Mirek wrote: I think eterm is very outdated, i am using gnome-terminal, Eterm doesnt support even UTF8 locales. But it has one big advantage, it is very fast, very very fast :) Please ignore the stupid people. Thanks. In Konsole I could highlight text using mouse, right click =, and cut 'n paste this to anywhere else. I seem to have lost this ability in eterm. A right click just does nothing. Right click being bound to cut or copy violates the standard and is a bug in Konsole. The correct use for right click, which you'll see in Eterm, xterm, and most any other terminal, is extend selection. If you have made a selection, for instance back in the scrollback buffer, right clicking will extend the selection from the original starting point to wherever you right click. Eterm automatically copies the selected text to the X PRIMARY selection, so no manual copy action is required. Most applications will properly paste this selected text using the middle mouse button. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The notion that something as complex and thermodynamically improbable as life could form out of a bit of ooze is about as believable as a jet airliner being assembled during a hurricane in a junkyard. -- Fred Hoyle (quoted by Sonia Shah) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e_modules and engage - systray access
On Monday, 27 November 2006, at 16:05:45 (+), Andrew Williams wrote: Sorry to be a broken record here, but on what are you basing these claims? Rectal-Cranial Inversion. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- When I hear about people making vast fortunes without doing any productive work or contributing anything to society, my reaction is, 'How do I get in on that?'-- Dave Barry - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] force people to do things right !!!
On Sunday, 22 October 2006, at 00:35:41 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: but the title is a line from a commit log of mine - completely unrelated to anything YDL or PS3. i am wondering what connection there is? Ignore the guy. He's clearly nym-starved and in dire need of a pub. Pants off! Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Oh Rosie, tout est blanc; tes yeux m'eclairent. De t'avoir eue un instant, j'etais tellement fier. Tout ce qu'il me reste a present; l'envie de tout foutre en l'air, et de recommencer la nuit -- Francis Cabrel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] force people to do things right !!!
On Saturday, 21 October 2006, at 19:41:58 (+0400), sitarane wrote: I don't like to be forced to do anything... After one hour and half manually compiling all the libs and apps, I was facing an error message like the one above. And NO way to login because of a stupid diktat. This is the 'one size fits all': do it my way or go away... Yes, I think Raster is going mad. ... Your inability to hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login on a console, or login via ssh, is not our problem. E17 already forces you to do certain things because doing otherwise would result in undefined, unacceptable, or unrecoverable behavior: - Run e17 without another WM already running - Use eet/edje config files instead of, for example, GConf2. - Use image formats which are supported by evas. - Use the evas canvas backend instead of Gtk or Qt equivalents. - Not waste developer time with crybaby whining. If you object to the change, you have 3 choices: Suck it up and deal, remove that portion of the code and accept the consequences, or use something else. There are numerous things we're forcing you to do, but using E is certainly not one of them. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Reality makes believers of us all. -- Enola Gay - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] e17 mixer module [Fwd from MillTek]
- Forwarded message from MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Does the mixer work? For a while it would display the volume slider for me, but lately when I update sources it doesn't. At no point has it ever actually changed the volume. Is there something I should have done? Is there Docs somewhere I can read? Thanks, Jim - End forwarded message - -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Three six nine, the goose drank wine; the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line. The line broke, the monkey got choked, and they all went to heaven in a little row boat. -- Nursery Rhyme - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Evidence make fails
On Sunday, 01 October 2006, at 11:11:59 (-0700), Justin wrote: Evidence isn't being developed anymore. The replacement is called Entropy. There is no truth to this statement whatsoever. Evidence development has not stopped, and Entropy is not a replacement for anything. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I am not running for office here. I won't keep it purposefully vague. I've heard New Age Life-force trip; I'd rather be dipped in bubonic plague. Take back your free advice I don't accept. I will not play those games. God is not a secret to be kept. -- Newsboys - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Struggling with Eterm
On Saturday, 02 September 2006, at 09:23:04 (-0500), Jeff Rush wrote: I'm a big fan of being able to do my work using only the keyboard, but there doesn't seem to be a way within Eterm to scroll back and forth in the lookback buffer with a keystroke. Since Shift-PgUp and Shift-PgDn are the universal standard for terminal scrollback key combos, which you surely would've tried, I must assume that they are not working for you? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- For the life of me I cannot remember what made us think that we were wise and we'd never comprimise. For the life of me I cannot believe we'd ever die for these sins. We were merely freshman. -- The Verve Pipe, The Freshman - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Eterm - url mouse
On Friday, 25 August 2006, at 18:27:53 (+0200), Sanda Pavel wrote: in gnome-terminal there is a feature, which enable url recognition when moving the mouse over the url-text and after mouse click on it allows to open web browser with a given url. is there any possibility howto configure eterm so that it behaves in a similar way ? 1. Double-click on a URL. 2. Middle-click in Firefox window. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- And you women try to make us feel better about it. 'It's not the size of the ship that counts; it's the motion of the ocean.' Well, that may be true, but it takes an awfully long time to get to England in a rowboat. -- Jeff Foxworthy - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Script to change all uses of ALT to WIN
On Saturday, 26 August 2006, at 19:36:08 (+), Asfand Yar Qazi wrote: You're getting ruby confused with rails :-) And you're confusing Perl with Bash. I used Ruby here in place of Perl, since I don't like the idea of running about 5 programs in backquotes and pipes when 1 will do. Perl is also a single program and is significantly more capable than Ruby. Please explain to me the merits of starting about 5 programs when you can just use one to interpret a single file? Because using shell is far, far more portable than using Ruby. Even Perl is several dozen times more portable than Ruby. And this is not the venue for arguing about languages. Get back on topic, please. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- After all the stops and starts, we keep coming back to these two hearts, two angels who've been rescued from the fall. After all that we've been through, it all comes down to me and you. I guess it's meant to be forever you and me after all. -- Peter Cetera - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] cvs, servers and stuff.
On Monday, 14 August 2006, at 12:08:06 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: anyway - we have been living on caosity's cvs for a while now - but we are killing it (sorry kainx!) so its time to finally bite the bullet and dredge up the issue of us needing servers again. What we really need is anoncvs mirrors. We need systems that we can point anoncvs.enlightenment.org to. A nice round-robin DNS should solve the load problem quite nicely. here is what i think we need: 1. devel cvs server + future web server (for downloads too of official tarballs etc.) 2. an anonymous cvs server and possibly second download mirror. so 2 systems really. The developer CVS server is doing acceptably, is it not? We are working on obtaining another server for the E project to have as its very own. Hopefully that will pan out. i hear that svn is significantly less load for anonymous access - even developer - who has experience with this server-side? can you confirm or deny? i would consider a possible move to svn if we can keep our history from cvs. It's not true. SVN requires a lot more overhead (including Apache with SVN and DAV modules), uses a BDB backend (you remember your love of BDB, right?), and requires DOUBLE the amount of disk space for a checkout. Yes, I said double. Furthermore, branching and tagging don't really exist for SVN (it uses copies which, while they may be zero overhead on the server, are murder on the checkout). And last I checked, you could not keep your history. CVS is the devil we know. There's really nothing we need it to do that it doesn't do. I see no compelling reason to move. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Love?! What does *love* have to do with *marriage*?! -- Peter Jurasik (Ambassador Londo Mollari), Babylon Five - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] antialiased fonts
On Thursday, 22 June 2006, at 13:25:49 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: aa fonts in x require use of Xft (which provides different font drawing routines to core x ones) - well ok you can DIY with xrender and pixmaps etc, or in software. did you add xft support to eterm? No, that's my point. If they had done it right the first time by enhancing the core X routines instead of grafting on Yet Another Extension Library, it wouldn't be an issue. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- It is strange to be known so universally and yet be so lonely. -- Albert Einstein Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Again with the mail problems...
On Tuesday, 16 May 2006, at 23:05:18 (+0900), Yasufumi Haga wrote: I have the same symtom for subscribing the E-intl list. I re-subscribed the list using the web interface of the list, and replied to a confirmation mail. But I have not received the welcome message from the list yet. In addition, before unsubscribing the list, I sent two mails to the list yesterday night, and one of them was delivered to me just now. It takes a whole day to deliver the mail. Sooner or later, one of two things will happen: Either SF will get its shit together and catch up, or enough users and developers will get sufficiently pissed off by it that we'll move the mailing lists just like we did the CVS stuff. The Foundation would be more than happy to provide that service as well. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The last time I checked, the Constitution said, 'of the people, by the people, and for the people.' That's what the Declaration of Independence says. -- President Bill Clinton, criticizing anti- government rhetoric during campaign (The quote is actually from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.) --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Eap properties - distinguishing between programs running in terms
On Tuesday, 02 May 2006, at 00:40:43 (+0900), Yasufumi Haga wrote: --name option doesn't seem to work well. Works just fine, actually, as does its shorter version, -n Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, he spends all his time in the basement tying flies and neglecting his personal hygiene. -- NewsRadio --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Moving the cvs server was a very good idea.
On Friday, 21 April 2006, at 16:04:32 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Just to let everybody know how good an idea it was to move to our own cvs server, and how timely a decision it was. We stopped commits to sf.net cvs on 2006-03-23; the move to our new server was completed on 2006-03-28; to quote sf.net On 2006-03-30 the developer CVS server had a hardware issue... and it went downhill from there. Sf.net are still looking at end of this month to finish putting things back together again, and that's if they push it. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. I'm glad we were able to push things forward before the most recent implosion. I'd have liked to skip a few earlier implosions too, but we take what we can get sometimes. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- It takes more than your saline eyes to make things right. -- Jars of Clay, Crazy Times --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot and .xinitrc
On Wednesday, 12 April 2006, at 12:08:06 (-0400), Mike Russo wrote: Here's my .xinitrc: xrdb -load $HOME/.Xresources gnome-settings-daemon elapse exec enlightenment e17setroot -s /Files/Images/Wallpapers/singularity-crop.jpg exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment Once your .xinitrc calls exec enlightenment it stops executing. The dbus-launch line provides the same functionality. Remove the exec and it should work. You'd be correct if it weren't for the on the end of that line. When the shell sees the conflicting requests of exec (replace the currently running process with the given command) and (fork a new process in the background with the given command), it assumes that the user didn't know what exec was supposed to do, and takes precedence. So the exec is essentially ignored. The problem is more likely a race condition. Replace the e17setroot line with this: (sleep 5 ; e17setroot -s /Files/Images/Wallpapers/singularity-crop.jpg) See if that fixes the problem. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- There are so many things that are incredible about me. The most amazing is my humility. -- Will Smith --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Re: E CVS: libs/ecore raster
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 23:05:08 (+0800), Didier Casse wrote: Whatever opinions you guys have doesn't change the fact that it remains one of the most popular (and usable!) Linux distros in the world and THE most popular in the USA. Although others are fast-growing, the number of users it has at present is significant. I don't really want to get into a distro war. I'll just refer to the post I linked which discusses *why* it's so popular. But yes, it has lots of users. As for usable, I'm sure it works great for some folks, but I've heard more people complain about Fedora releases than any other distro in recent memory, including RH7.0 and RH8. Politics is bad, but from a user's point of view, well they want a distro that is accessible and that doesn't require too much hassle to install and run. The bulk of the herd doesn't care about politics as long as they can do what they want easily. True. I realize that different people are going to use different distros for different reasons. That's why I try to keep things as portable as I can in the spec files. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Daddy, what is virginity? It's the state below Maryland. -- Courtney Chase and Dan Aykroyd, Soul Man --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 17:38:13 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: To put it into terms that even you can understand, put up or shut up. For reasons I can't begin to fathom, you insisted on making this personal. So I went ahead and took time that I do not have (I'm getting married in under 9 days) to put in the correct solution: a configure parameter to specify either a particular virtual terminal or automatic detection with a default of tty7 for the Linux-using majority of entrance users. Or, to put it into terms that even you can understand, as you so eloquently trolled, I've put up. Now you get to shut up. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- When I get the courage up to love somebody new, it always falls apart 'cause they just can't compare to you. -- Boyz II Men, Four Seasons of Loneliness --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Friday, 31 March 2006, at 05:55:07 (+0200), Morten Nilsen wrote: I'm getting married in under 9 days Hey, congratulations man! Thanks. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- He is everything you want; he is everything you need. He is everything inside of you that you wish you could be. He says all the right things at exactly the right time, but he means nothing to you and you don't know why. -- Vertical Horizon, Everything --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 13:46:34 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You only say that because you are not a packager. I have not seen any real support issues raised by packagers, only this theoretical discussion about possible problems. Only because I fixed it myself. Instead of bitching about it, why doesn't someone with better autofoo skills than me A) test to make sure there is a real packager problem, B) fix that problem, while keeping autodetect.sh a part of install for ordinary users, and make us all happy? I already did that. Failure of the script will no longer break the build. The script solves a nasty problem for our users, simply telling them to fix that problem by hand is not what anyone should do. Perhaps not, but your solution is also sub-par. Clearly both solutions are incorrect, so rather than bickering back and forth about whose sucks more, let's focus on finding the third solution that will work for everyone. Has anyone thought about auto-detecting things at runtime rather than build time? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- G: If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do? EB: Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Re: E CVS: libs/ecore raster
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 07:21:14 (+0200), Morten Nilsen wrote: As I see it, the main package should BuildRequire all possible packages available on that system that the library being built has some sort of support of Negative. The whole point of optional packages is that they're NOT required. That's one of the things #BuildSuggests: is used for...optional dependencies. Of course, I'm pretty sure raster was talking about Debian packaging anyway. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Even in my heart I see you're not being true to me. Deep within my soul I feel nothing's like it used to be. -- Backstreet Boys, Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 14:59:21 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: That's actually what triggers the keyboard locking problem in the first place. If you don't let X know which VT to run on, it tries to autodetect the VT, but it gets into a race condition with init or a getty which is also allocating VTs at the same time. The end result is that X gets confused, and sometimes ends up with the display on one VT, but the keyboard redirected to some other VT, and with VT switching disabled for some reason. Any distribution which tries to start a getty on the same VT as X is flawed. Furthermore, Linux has standardized on X being on tty7. That should always be the default on Linux. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- It's been awhile since I've seen the way the candles light your face. And it's been awhile, but I can still remember just the way you taste.-- Staind, It's Been Awhile --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Re: E CVS: libs/ecore raster
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 07:35:15 (+0200), Morten Nilsen wrote: I'm on the one distro point of view, That is a ridiculous point of view. There is no one distro. And if you're talking about Fedora Core, you are in *dire* need of reading this: http://beta.kainx.org/journals/view/content/729 Furthermore, discussion of packaging as it relates to a single distribution is off-topic for this list. where BuildSuggests isn't all that useful, to be honest. One, it's part of rpm now. Two, Mezzanine works quite nicely on Fedora, RHEL, SuSE, and every other RPM-based distro I've tried. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden? -- Vir Cotto, Babylon Five --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Thursday, 30 March 2006, at 16:11:53 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Now I think you are just being a troll. You're welcome to think whatever you like about me. Linux is not our only target, Of course not. But does entrance actually work on any non-Linux platforms? Does your auto-detect script? How many non-Linux platforms come with both sudo and lsof installed and working out of the box? And you'll notice I said it should be the default *on Linux*. hard coding a VT into entrance was considered in the original mailing list discussion and rejected, I don't recall that discussion; do you know when it happened? Got any URL's? and your first sentence is just flat out trolling. Not at all. In every distro I've used, mingetty processes are started on each of tty1 through tty6 only. tty7 is always reserved for the first X server, and tty8 is used for the rare cases of a second. Any user or distro which would attempt to start a getty process on the same tty on which they're trying to start X is flawed because it would lead to the very type of race condition you mentioned. It's simply broken behavior. Thank you Dave for the work you did to work around some problems that lots of entrance users where complaining about. As you suggested in your commit, I reviewed your autofoo stuff and fixed a flaw in it. Is that so hard to say? This isn't about you or what contributions you've made. We are looking at problems with packaging entrance which have been created by a change you made to its build process. That is the topic of discussion right now. I'm sorry if you feel slighted because I haven't thanked you for your work, but in the world of free software, people who are driven by constant displays of gratitude are generally disappointed by the reality. As usual, instead of people helping out during the testing phase, people wait until I commit before bitching and moaning about it. I expect this now, some people are just like that. Not really much more I can do. Good grief, man. Get used to it! There are certain facts of life when it comes to open source software development, and that's one of them. People often don't try things unless they're part of the default setup. Another one is, most people don't test stuff in pre-releases of software unless they follow development closely. I've had numerous experiences where people around here have waited until after I make a release to inform me, Oh, by the way, Eterm doesn't build right on Solaris. It happens to everyone. If you get all pissy every time it happens to you, you're going to give yourself an aneurism. Let it go. P.S. All I ever want to do is help people. All I ever get in return is abuse. I'm used to it, I don't give a shit anymore about the abuse. I'll just continue to help people no matter what nasty things people throw at me. All it ever accomplishes is to move these abusive people further down on my list of people I will happily co operate with. I'm not sure where this emotional outburst came from or why you feel abused, but I think you need to take a break and relax for awhile. You seem to be lashing out over nothing. Chill out for a bit. We'll still be here. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- To live on as we have is to leave behind joy, and love, and companionship, because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash.-- Lorien, Babylon Five --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Monday, 20 February 2006, at 16:26:32 (-0500), Geoffrey wrote: Personally, I don't have to admin the box, I don't really care what it runs. :) I was just trying to stir things up as well. Then STFU. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I'll be leaving soon; it's hard to say when I'll return, and I don't want to lead you on. So if you feel the need, close your eyes and share this dream. It will be Eternity. -- Blessid Union of Souls, Forever for Tonight --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] strange behavior of Eterm in e17
On Saturday, 18 February 2006, at 02:12:24 (+0900), Yasufumi Haga wrote: There was no setting for the encoding in my .xsession at that time, so I guess it should have been ja_JP.eucJP. But when I checked the values of LANG and LC_ALL with two terminals: kterm and Eterm, LANG was ja_JP.UTF-8 and LC_ALL was ja_JP.eucJP in kterm, while in Eterm both LANG and LC_ALL were ja_JP.eucJP. Now I'm setting LANG and LC_ALL to ja_JP.UTF-8 in the .xsession and checking those values again, but they don't change. I tried running gnome-terminal and checking them in this environment, and it resulted in ja_JP.eucJP for both of them. I also understood the state of Eterm. ja_JP.eucJP is correct for Eterm. I suspect making sure the locale uses EUCJ instead of UTF-8 encoding will correct the display problems. Remember, this means both the locale Eterm starts in *and* the locale of the shell running inside it. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I guess the time is right for us to say we'll take our time and live our lives together day by day. We'll make a wish and send it on a prayer. We know our dreams will all come true with love that we can share. -- Firehouse, Love of a Lifetime --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] eap
On Thursday, 09 February 2006, at 18:03:59 (+0100), Morten Nilsen wrote: no easy way to copy the Executable string enlightenment_eapp -get-exe ~/.e/e/applications/all/foo.eap HTH, Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The Swiss have an interesting army. Five hundred years without a war. Pretty impressive. Also pretty lucky for them. Ever see that little Swiss Army knife they have to fight with? Not much of a weapon there. Corkscrews. Bottle openers. 'Come on, buddy, let's go. You get past me, the guy in back of me, he's got a spoon. Back off. I've got the toe clippers right here.' -- Jerry Seinfeld --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Difficult names and no icons...
On Thursday, 26 January 2006, at 16:24:19 (+0100), Andreas Volz wrote: since there're more and more applications I begin to forget the names and if I search for an application it's hard to remind. e.g. Eclair Elicit Embrace Engage Entice Entrance Entropy eRSS Evidence Exhibit Entangle I have said this many, many times. No one cares. So don't waste your breath. Most of them just pick random 'e' words off a list because they're cool and don't give a shit whether or not it makes sense to name an app with that word. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.-- G'Kar, Babylon 5 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wednesday, 25 January 2006, at 15:51:37 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: It seems CVS issues have been getting worse of late - SF.NET is being more overloaded than ever, and thinktux needs to go down soon enough. We need to solve this. Now This isn't edict, or guaranteed to happen, but it's an IDEA open for discussion. Apparently thinktux pulls some serious load and bandwidth - and that is not all of the anonymous CVS access we have. Apparently Thinktux's machine is farily overloaded CPU-wise and is pulling a good 25GB of CVS data traffic per day. I imagine this will only increase over time and if all anonymous CVS access is moved here - then it will get even worse. So after some discussions we have a tentative offer of free hosting and bandwidth from the guys at: http://osuosl.org/ - all we need is a server box. We can run what we want on this - including enlightenment.org's website, and we could host other pages if we want to too (get-e.org, edevelop.org etc.) if people desire, but the main issue here is easier ability to provide downloads of tarballs (currently enlightenment.freedesktop.org servers as this dumping ground due to sf.net limiting www space and use). and CVS - anonymous CVS. The problems are twofold - bandwidth and load here. The cAos Foundation (www.caosity.org) currently has a machine being hosted at OSUOSL, and we are willing to provide whatever assistance we can to the E project via that server and our other servers hosted elsewhere. We have multiple systems we can bring to bear on the problem and can provide rrDNS load balancing services to help share the burden. While we already support working Enlightenment installs out-of-the-box, we are currently moving toward using E 0.17 as our default desktop, and thanks to some excellent theming work from LinuXY and titansoccer15, we will have a customized default theme in the very near future. We are happy to provide whatever services we can to assist the project on a temporary or permanent basis, either in the interim while you gather resources for your own server, or for as long as you see fit. We are a non-profit corporation and have resources of our own for obtaining and deploying hosting, hardware, etc. which are at your disposal. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Would you know my name if I saw you in heaven? Would it be the same if I saw you in heaven? I must be strong and carry on, 'cause I know I don't belong here in heaven. -- Eric Clapton, Tears in Heaven --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tuesday, 24 January 2006, at 21:42:53 (+0100), Johan Verrept wrote: Any why not word deleted for dental health reasons? Because it is not a solution. It is a whole new set of problems. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Quit playin' games with my heart before you tear us apart. I should've known from the start before you got into my heart. -- Backstreet Boys --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tuesday, 24 January 2006, at 14:54:08 (-0600), Hawkwind Cliff Wade wrote: svn happens to have a lot more choices and is more secure. A lot more choices for what? More secure by whose definition? In fact, I'm personally thinking of setting up a mirror, but if I do I'll be using svn by all means unless it just can't be done. More power to you. IMHO, setting up a subversion mirror of a CVS repository is just silly. Setting up another CVS mirror could be looked at as another set of problems if not maintained correctly and setup correctly. Well, duh. That can be said of anything at all. Setting up _ is another set of problems if not maintained correctly and setup correctly. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again. -- Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org
On Monday, 19 December 2005, at 09:27:48 (+0100), Riemer Palstra wrote: http://www.dirac.org/hackers/ Mandrake, who sometimes goes by Geoff Harrison, is originally from Atlanta, Georgia. He moved to San Jose, California after his company, Enlightened Solutions, got bought by VA Linux Systems, and was a senior software engineer for them. Mandrake lives with his cat Cameron and girlfriend, Tammy. His hobbies include IRC, table tennis, tinkering with Linux, Quake and 6-string/bass guitar. Mandrake is working on part of XFree86 called xinerama, which is an extension to use multiple monitors with one X server. He is best known for co-authoring the best window manager ever written, Enlightenment. This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- What can I do to make you mine? Falling so hard, so fast this time. What did I say? What did you do? How did I fall in love with you? -- Backstreet Boys, How Did I Fall in Love with You --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org
On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800), Andrew Grimberg wrote: Raster, why don't you contact mandrake Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at least tried to do just that? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Fresh blood through tired skin. New sweat to drown me in. Dress up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive. -- Nine Inch Nails, last --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Entice: commands not above photos?
On Tuesday, 13 December 2005, at 19:58:48 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: you can't. unfortunately. a swallow is fixed with respect to stacking. But is it an African or a European swallow? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You did not tell the truth, and so you will have to pay the consequences.-- Bob Barker, Truth or Consequences --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: cpufreq module and rights
On Friday, 02 December 2005, at 18:11:57 (+0100), Martin Geisler wrote: Why would removing the read rights for normal users help with security? Anybody can download the source and build an identical copy anyway. Then it is only the permission bits which differ, and that's all that matters. I think it was more of a best practices sort of comment. It certainly doesn't hurt to remove the read permissions on binaries (but it DOES for scripts!), and if there were anything sensitive in said binaries, it would provide added security. Since it could help, and it doesn't hurt, paranoia dictates that you do it. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Come stand a little bit closer. Breathe in and get a bit higher. You'll never know what hit you when I get to you. -- Savage Garden, I Want You --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: cpufreq module and rights
On Friday, 02 December 2005, at 21:49:02 (+0100), Martin Geisler wrote: I agree that one should apply all security measures possible, but removing read permissions on stock binaries isn't one of them, IMHO. Be paranoid, but apply it with some reason :-) Being able to read an executable allows one to disassemble it. This can make formulating attacks against it easier. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Somehow through the lonely night, I will leave a light in the dark. Let it lead you to my heart. -- Michael W. Smith Amy Grant, Somewhere, Somehow --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: cpufreq module and rights
On Friday, 02 December 2005, at 23:22:59 (+0100), Morten Nilsen wrote: while being an excellent argument with proprietary software, last I checked.. the source for most linux binaries is available on the interweb ;) You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Getting an identical binary requires using the same compiler, assembler, and linker; the same code generation/optimization flags; the same compile-time configuration; etc. You cannot assume that the system in question will provide all this information and all these tools. Just because you're not paranoid enough doesn't mean they're not out to get you. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Blessed are the shallow; depth they'll never find. Seems to be some comfort in rooms I try to hide. Exposed beyond the shadows, you take the cup from me. Your dirt removes my blindness; your pain becomes my peace. -- Jars of Clay, Frail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] New E17/linux website
On Friday, 18 November 2005, at 12:33:57 (+1100), Daniel Kasak wrote: The installation could use some friendlying-up, I admit, but once Gentoo is installed, it's certainly the way to go. That is most definitely a matter of opinion, and those opinions are off-topic for this list. All this-distro-is-better-than-that-one comments should be sent directly to /dev/null. Here's the way to go: if you do the work, you pick the distro. That's why ELive uses Debian. Not because it's superior, but because the guy who did the work (Thanatermesis) picked it. End of story. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Reality makes believers of us all. -- Enola Gay --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7628alloc_id=16845op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] New E17/linux website
On Friday, 18 November 2005, at 14:03:46 (+1100), Daniel Kasak wrote: Calmly dude. Calmly. Uh...what? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- To err is human; to really louse things up requires root privileges. -- Alexander Pope, slightly paraphrased --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7628alloc_id=16845op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 15:20:41 (-0600), Paul Johnson wrote: in either Eterm or Aterm after it has started, or by changing the environment for all programs in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. /etc/sysconfig/i18n has more than just LANG. Try altering the other variables too. Also make sure to change LC_ALL. And please, if you can figure out the magical iconv() invocation that will convert the UTF-8 to something which can be printed by XmbDrawString(), I will be most indebted to you. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- It's not my problem any more. You see, it never really was. So you can stop 'caring,' as you call it. I'll be fine right here. -- Jars of Clay, Sinking --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 22:20:46 (+0100), Morten Nilsen wrote: how do I make the Escreen window bar less ugly? or even just hide it? Ctrl-Shift-RightClick Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Perhaps someday we will discover that space and time are simpler than the human equation. -- Jean-Luc Picard, ST:TNG --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 14:01:11 (-0600), Jesse Luehrs wrote: It's smaller, less resource intensive, Neither of these is true. Eterm's default theme is simply fancier. Try the xterm or rxvt theme sometime. and doesn't include a lot of the features that Eterm has that aren't necessary. Most features can be compiled out, and even if they're not, the blocks of code for unused features are never even loaded into memory. This is a fallacy. uses about half of the resources that Eterm does. That's what the aterm folks would like you to believe. It's simply not true. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Oh, yes, we love EE people. They have a low level of knowledge. -- Deanna G., Microsoft Recruiter --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 15:01:58 (-0600), Jesse Luehrs wrote: Those themes are smaller, but still not as small (according to ps at least... however accurate that is). It isn't. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion. It may be the greatest gift your race has ever received. -- Lorien, Babylon Five --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 23:07:55 (+0200), ?? ? wrote: the only problem with eterm currently, is that it doesn't support utf-8. http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20050407 Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You know the real reason God kicked Adam Eve Consulting Associates LLC off the Eden project, dontcha? Adam Eve wanted to audit everything and redo Creation in java. -- Ari Heitner on BugTraq --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] mplayer -fs option problem on e17
On Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 15:58:15 (+0200), Dano wrote: The problem with fullscreen Mplayer is still here (I have to use fluxbox to watch movies with subtitles). Can someone from the developers have a look at this? Works fine for me. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- The problem with the gene pool is there's no lifeguard. -- Steven Wright --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] edje themable Terminal
On Thursday, 01 September 2005, at 23:38:26 (+0300), Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: When starting enterminus, I receive a 1x1 window in the upper left corner, and when I try to resize it, I die with a floating point exception: It seems to work fine for me. Can anyone else repoduce this error? Can't reproduce that here either. No crashes. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- What kind of a person would spend the equivalent of 2 years painting her face, pluck out her eyebrow hairs, and plant silicone or saline into her chest? There is a name for this kind of person: woman. She does all these things because men, we like it. Don't talk to me about equality. -- Greg Germann (Richard Fish), Ally McBeal --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Eterm - exec and wait
On Saturday, 03 September 2005, at 00:00:25 (+0200), Andreas Volz wrote: why does exec a command and wait works with xterm: xterm -e df; read -n 1 but fail with Eterm: Eterm -e df; read -n 1 Eterm: Error: execvp() failed, cannot execute df; read -n 1: No such file or directory Because xterm runs the command under a shell. For efficiency, Eterm does not. What could I do to get it work? Eterm --pause -e df Or use something like Eterm -e /bin/sh -c df ; read -n 1 Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- He died for me; I'll live for Him. -- DeGarmo and Key --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] edje themable Terminal
On Thursday, 01 September 2005, at 10:55:50 (+0200), Andreas Volz wrote: is there a edje themable Terminal planed in future? Or does some code for this yet exist in CVS? Perhaps a future development goal of Eterm, because it's the Enlightenment default Terminal? I think it should be themable in the same way as Enlightenment and all other E-apps. Absolutely. The tricky part is to split out the terminal emulation logic from the display engine, and that will take some doing. There is a prototype project called enterminus in CVS that CodeWarrior has been working on. It's a good start, but we predicted we'd encounter some tough speed issues, and we were right. It's got a ways to go, but the effort is there and moving forward. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- If the President knowingly lies to the American people, he should immediately resign. -- Bill Clinton in 1974 --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] weird when using enlightenment_remote ...
On Wednesday, 31 August 2005, at 15:29:14 (+0200), Bertrand Jacquin wrote: There's a librarie which do Async DNS resolv with a AS-IS license : C-ares : http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/ Hope that could help Debian doesn't have c-ares, but it does have the older ares library: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=aressearchon=namessubword=1version=allrelease=all Raster, what do you think? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- But when two people are at one in their inmost hearts, they shatter even the strength of iron or of bronze. -- The I Ching --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] weird when using enlightenment_remote ...
On Friday, 26 August 2005, at 11:19:54 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: It's trying to be friendly and read everything for you! :) seriously - e has its own dns lookup code because gethostbyname is a blocking call. this is actually only used if making remote connections, but it has to parse /etc/resolve.conf to know what to do. this means ecore_con is then capable of doing nslookups asynchronously - not holding the process hostage to waiting for a dns lookup timeout or reply. it always parses this data wehn starting up the connections subsystem (ecore_con) but it doesnt mean its making remote connections. This is a horrific hack. It doesn't even take into account nsswitch settings. There are numerous ASYNC DNS packages out there to be used. Why not use one? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw. -- Unknown --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] weird when using enlightenment_remote ...
On Wednesday, 31 August 2005, at 09:16:33 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: There are numerous ASYNC DNS packages out there to be used. Why not use one? we looked at 2 Heh. Numerous turned out to be 3; most of the ones I was thinking of were actually all ADNS (which is GPL). 2. the other wasn't even included in debian's massive list of packages - that means users now have to go fine another lib they need and compile and install it - and we don't provide it. it was a tossup here, but i don't think any of us was that happy about sucking in an external build dep just for this simple thing, thus sebastien implemented dns lookups. he did the hard bit - reading the rfc's and doing the network protocol handling. the easy stuff is left to do :) I'm not sure I'd agree that NIS/YP and LDAP are easy stuff. But ecore already has hooks for spawning subprograms and getting callbacks, right? Why not write a wrapper around gethostbyname() that ecore_con would spawn? That way we wouldn't have to rewrite the whole damn thing. (Although if we do, we should make it a separate project.) Another idea I had: What about a standalone GPL daemon program that communicates via IPC and uses ADNS? Client programs wouldn't link to it, so no viral infection. Thoughts? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- If the homo sapiens were, in fact, *homo* sapiens, is that why they're extinct? Joey, homo sapiens are people. Hey, I'm not judging! -- Joey Tribbiani and Ross Gellar, Friends --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] weird when using enlightenment_remote ...
On Wednesday, 31 August 2005, at 11:59:43 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: how many people do dns via nis/yp or ldap? sure - nice theory - but actually do dns VIA that? i knwo dns servers are oftne BACKED by ldap as such - but other than very specific special cases in niche areas - actual dns VIA nis/yp or ldap... i don't know. It's not DNS via NIS/YP. It's name resolution via NIS/YP. It's really no different than using /etc/hosts. Just like /etc/passwd is the local file which can supplement NIS or LDAP account info, /etc/hosts can supplement NIS/LDAP host resolution. And yes, it's done, usually in Windows-centric (Active Directory) setups that want to use WINS and ADS without having to set up DNS. AFTER seb had written the dns procotol handling that came to mind and i suggested it... but i have to say i respect seb's work on doing th edns protocol handling and reading the rfc's etc. and i dont see just nuking the code as good. i am leaving it in seb's hands for now. it needs completeness handling. i dont see ldap/nis/yp as usefully worth implementing and if you happen to have a system with these setups - then fall back to blocking gethostbyname is an option :) something about a librarye forking off child processes seems a bit evil to me - and thus i hesitate on it. but then again re-implementing dns is evil too :) Yeah, it's a lesser of two evils thing. The problem with the current method is that the standard dictates checking nsswitch *before* doing the lookup and potentially not using DNS at all. Honestly I think forking a new process/thread (just fork(), no exec(), maybe vfork() if possible?) is cleaner than trying to re-implement not only DNS but nsswitch too. that's possible - but its a service that has to sit around and be managed. i'd much sooenr go with the fork off a child to dns lookup via gethostbyname then punt the retuned data via fd back to the parent method long before this :) Fair enough. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I want to stand with you on a mountain. I want to bathe with you in the sea. I want to lay like this forever, until the sky falls down on me.-- Savage Garden, Truly, Madly, Deeply --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] weird when using enlightenment_remote ...
On Wednesday, 31 August 2005, at 12:31:04 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: ugh! ok - point taken - i dont live in any of those setups... ever! :) Lucky you. Some of the ass-backward shit I've seen makes grown men cry. thats true - the fork will be really lean as its copy on write only a small stack segment will be copied over. and yes - i admit - we need to honor nsswitch etc. etc. etc. if doing dns DIY. :) That was my thinking. fork() is relatively cheap if we don't exec(). it's all a matter fo levels of evil i guess. god damn why did they not just impement a proper async dns lookup to start with in libc! ARGH! fools! :) Hindsight is always easier than foresight. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Et elle m'a dit, 'Tombe, tombe au fond de mon coeur. Les nuits sont trop longues, et j'ai un peu peur.' Et c'est comme ca qu'elle est entree dans ma vie, la fille de pluie. -- Roch Voisine --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Doing E-apps
On Thursday, 18 August 2005, at 23:25:20 (-0400), Jesse wrote: Most (if not all) of e17 appears to be in Standard C. All. Now, as someone who recently (6 months ago) started learning C++, I can tell you if you don't know either C or C++ you should really consider learning C++. If you learn C++ you're also learning a lot of C (after all C is just C improved). C++ is NOT C improved. C99 is C improved. C++ is C after being cornholed by a pseudo-object-oriented pine tree. C++ also gives you a lot of tools to make things easier than Standard C as far as my (albeit limited) knowledge of the subjects can see... ...none of which will do you any good with respect to E. Do yourself a favor and learn C. It will keep you from wanting to use C++-specific features (and I use the term loosely). And please refer to my signature for one example of why C++ is a dud. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- That's why C++ is so disappointing: it does nothing to address some of the most fundamental problems in C, and its most important addition (classes) builds on the deficient C type model. -- Peter Van Der Linden, Expert C Programming --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
