RE: Recipient Policies
If there are problems with the RUS, generally you will see the errors while the System Attendant starts (because this is the process that manages the RUS). When troubleshooting RUS problems I generally only need to work with one RUS from the domain that is having the problems to see where the problem is. As long as each server running the RUS has the same set of \exchsrvr\address DLL's your problem should happen on ever server hosting the RUS for that domain (thus you should only need to restart 1 RUS to troubleshoot). I try to put the RUS's on bridgehead servers for just such a reason (needing to restart the SA to troubleshoot it). If a server that is hosting the RUS is missing an address dll, it will generally stop stamping all together and you will get a very specific error when the SA starts. Nope E2K native mode..=20 -Original Message- From: Yanek Korff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recipient Policies This happened me too. When I finally got rid of my Exchange 5.5 box and went to native mode, it worked. You don't have a 5.5 box in your org, do you? -Yanek. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday,=20 January 12, 2004 12:30 Posted To: Exchange Conversation: Recipient Policies Subject: Recipient Policies =20 =20 E2K SP3 W2K SP3 =20 =20 Any idea why I can't add an smtp address to every mailbox in the org? =20 I am trying to add it to the default policy then apply the ppolicy,=20 and it isn't working.. =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:=20 http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchanget ext_mode=3Dlang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. This electronic message transmission contains information that may be confidential or privileged. The information contained herein is intended solely for the recipient and use by any other party is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient (or otherwise authorized to receive this message by the intended recipient), any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of the information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message transmission in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Cigital, Inc. accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage resulting directly or indirectly from the use of this email or its contents. Thank You. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
PST's can have passwords put on them by users, and users forget them (rendering them useless). PST's do not synchronise (using WinXP's offline files feature), and so can be forgotten or left behind, or worse, corrupted. I think that we almost have an FAQ for why PST=bad from this list, don't we? Certainly GuruEd (the MVP Slut) has raved against them previously. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups If my users needed to access mail that was older than 2 years I'd design an Exchange setup that gave them the space they needed to store this stuff. PSTs are unreliable PSTs are expensive (e.g. cost of supporting them, disk and backup tape space as they break SIS) I think this is all covered in the FAQs, if not, certainly the archives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 23:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange; text_mode==english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
Chris, Granted... They aren't the most secure solution in that regard... I guess it is more that they are prone or corruption, and have a finite limit which users then don't find out about until they go OVER that limit (they they are stuffed!). ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups Takes about 6 seconds to strip a password from a PST file which renders them laughably insecure rather than useless. ;) -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:56 PM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Exchange 2003 backups Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST's can have passwords put on them by users, and users forget them (rendering them useless). PST's do not synchronise (using WinXP's offline files feature), and so can be forgotten or left behind, or worse, corrupted. I think that we almost have an FAQ for why PST=bad from this list, don't we? Certainly GuruEd (the MVP Slut) has raved against them previously. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups If my users needed to access mail that was older than 2 years I'd design an Exchange setup that gave them the space they needed to store this stuff. PSTs are unreliable PSTs are expensive (e.g. cost of supporting them, disk and backup tape space as they break SIS) I think this is all covered in the FAQs, if not, certainly the archives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 23:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
I agree ( I was in the middle of drafting a response to this one when Chris' advice arrived). I think that the easiest solution is good deleted retention limits, and lots of disk space. The only downside is the cost, and whatever proposal you then have to write for your new backup system to cover your new big disks on your exchange box!! themolk. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 12:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups My retention policies and mailbox size limits are based on what I feel are best for my organization (based on a lot of discussions and my mail nazi instincts). Ask around, get input and feedback from users and management and then make a proposal on storage and retention along with projected growth and cost. If management thinks it is too expensive, get their feedback and submit again. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:21 PM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Exchange 2003 backups Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups yes, this is my concern. The main part of my question was what to backup and how often. ...and retention setting for mailboxes and deleted items. I need to figure out a robust policy which won't need tobe changed 6 months because of store bloating. Import all those PSTs is just not something I'm prepared to do. I can see, that had I not used PSTs and used bigger mailboxes (not something I could have done, predecessor, etc) then staff would be forced to managed their mail better. Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups Really big hard drives is how we do it. Our users keep the mail they need and are encouraged to dispose of the mail they don't need. Occasionally they do. Of course, we have the luxury of having an abundance of storage space on our Exchange servers the bigger challenge is the effect those large information stores can have on backups and restores. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erick Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups I'd recommend a public folder. That way, not only do you have access to email from years ago, but all users (with correct permissions) have access, instead of only the user who has it in a PST. Erick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
Ed, Thanks - I had forgotten the correct term, and in its absence decided to coin one of my own... And yes, the content filters kicked in on me. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups The correct term is vendor whore. I am not a slut. Ed Waiting for the Content Filters to Kick In Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST's can have passwords put on them by users, and users forget them (rendering them useless). PST's do not synchronise (using WinXP's offline files feature), and so can be forgotten or left behind, or worse, corrupted. I think that we almost have an FAQ for why PST=bad from this list, don't we? Certainly GuruEd (the MVP Slut) has raved against them previously. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups If my users needed to access mail that was older than 2 years I'd design an Exchange setup that gave them the space they needed to store this stuff. PSTs are unreliable PSTs are expensive (e.g. cost of supporting them, disk and backup tape space as they break SIS) I think this is all covered in the FAQs, if not, certainly the archives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 23:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Dude, STFU. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now consider you incapable of having any type of intelligent discussion based on the fact that you choose to ignore 2/3rds of what was posted, or should I just assume that you chose not to discuss those points because you couldn't keep your I have my Ethics argument and all this would be moot? Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So you are going to quibble with things that I said? You people are so whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you when I was called a liar or a wife beater or stupid or idiot or that I starve children. All of that is OK in your whacky bizarro world, but explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in email for Christ's sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! How could you SAY such a thing. Never mind the liar, stupid, idiot stuff, THAT, sir, is uncalled for. Bob, you amaze me. You know, I'm just as happy to NOT read this dribble, but when someone points out so wonderfully how ethical they are, and we can all go to=20 www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml to prove it, then someone like me just might go there and read, and low and behold what is it we find? =20 Well, this character Greg, wants us all
Flame Warriors
Given our current message volume. I'm sure we all remember these... http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html --steve PS: Dude, STFU. Steve Hanna Network/Systems Administrator Niagara Plumbing Supply Company Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is nothing common about sense. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN MORE SPAM
You don't understand the definition of spam so I suggest that you may also STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Troels Majlandt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SV: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN MORE SPAM AGAIN MORE SPAM -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Greg Deckler Sendt: 22. december 2003 20:57 Til: Exchange Discussions Emne: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics John, you post some intelligent stuff I have to say. Yes, there is an order of magnitude argument to be had in all of this and you argue it well. I base my position on a couple of premises, but the main argument is: Titles are absolutely priceless and have the potential to be much, much more corrupting than any monetary gift. For proof, I will simply point to this entire discussion now 8 years old. At the mere mention that there *might* be a conflict of interest problem with the MVP title, which is what I posted 8 years ago, it has generated thousands upon thousands of hateful emails, dragged on over 8 YEARS and people STILL cannot let it go. That, in and of itself, proves how corrupting an influence it is. People are SO covetous of it that they cannot abide even the mere SUGGESTION that there might be an ethical conflict. Very true. But surely the greater motivational force in these cases would be If they don't go for product X in which I am an expert they will not employ me. rather than If they don't go for product X in which I am an MVP then there will be a slightly smaller online user community for me to help and so my chances of retaining my MVP status will be diminished. There is a much more powerful conflict of interests at work with any paid consultancy than the MVP programme could ever produce. If I had a million dollars (cue Barenakedladies tunes lodged in heads) to spend on upgrading my mail system to Exchange 2003 but was worried it would be a more troublesome process than it appears and so had decided to hire Ed as a consultant to advise me on whether or not to proceed would it be the MVP award, even if it meant a lot to him, or the chance of getting his hands on (part of) the million dollars that I should be concerned might make him recommend the upgrade even if it was not in my interests? The MVP is orders of magnitude smaller than the greats vats of cash sloshing round this industry and is trivial in comparison as are any conflicts of interest it might otherwise be able to produce. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:58 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The second scenario still presents the potential for a conflict of interest. If you are accepting gifts from vendors then you may not be forthcoming with all information about problems or issues with the system that might cause the client to choose NOT to migrate, hold off on migration, etc. Still the potential for conflict of interest. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 People mis-characterize and read things into my posts that are not there. This one I have to do in-line. First of all, I've seen plenty of statements by people who accurately depict reasons that your opinion is bunk. You've either not read or not comprehended them. No one in 8 years has proven the statement flawed or illogical that when you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry that it presents a real or perceived conflict of interest. This has been the point since day one, is the point today and will be the point tomorrow and the next day and the next. I've seen your comments repeatedly over the years, and continue to disagree with them. Its also painfully obvious to a casual observer that you're using incorrect statements in defense of your position. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. While this is technically accurate, in fact it is inaccurate. Both these professions require licenses to practice. Lawyers who decide to cross a relatively arbitrary line involving a conflict of interest can and have been disbarred - in other words, their license to practice law is revoked. Doctors, too, can have their medical license suspended or revoked. In either case, they are not allowed to practice their profession without that license. Ergo, those professions' codes of ethics *are*, if somewhat indirect, law. Yes, I understand and know all that, but that was not the point. Ethics go far, far beyond mere laws. Lawyers can be disbarred for ethics violations but not face any criminal prosecution. Yes, they can also be disbarred AND face criminal prosecution, but the point was made in response to an argument that indicated that ALL ethics must be legislated. Don't take things out of context. Your most asinine statements, however, are your explicit statements that being awarded a vendor sponsored honor automatically removes any and all objectivity for those on whom the honor is bestowed. The fact that you repeatedly use that argument shows me how weak your argument really is, especially since you can't show a single instance of where this actually has happened. I don't say this. I say that it is a real or perceived conflict of interest and hence a violation of basic ethics. I have stated repeatedly that MVP's may well NEVER cause anyone to ACT unethically. And guess what? It is irrelevant, it is still a real or perceived conflict of interest. What part of this are you missing? Because the MVP community is both under NDA's to Microsoft and also has private community newsgroups, you don't see that MVP's as a group are some of the most critical of Microsoft's products and policies. But none of that matters to you, because we're all just in Microsoft's pockets anyways. Its not like 12 of the 24 servers I've deployed this year run non-Microsoft OS's or anything.[1] Again, it does not matter if MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread, results in world peace and gives every starving kid a home. None of that changes that it is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Again, it matters not one bit if MVP's act unethically or not, it is a conflict of interest plain and simple. I would be willing to bet that most if not all of the MVP's do NOT act unethically because of the title. Guess what? Doesn't matter. Still an violation of basic conflict of interest rules. So, I think its fair to say that you've not come even remotely close to proving to anyone where this alleged conflict of interest is, and how it negatively impacts our objectivity. I didn't say that it negatively impacts your objectivity, I said it has the *potential* to impact your objectivity. Why? Because it is a real or perceived conflict of interest. And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? You obviously fail to understand what I am talking about. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] 8 OpenBSD and 4 Linux, with 2 more Linux boxes due early next year _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC ETHICS. Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want to change my mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that. Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind of craziness. Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to me. Look at the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you kidding me? And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical Microsoft barbs. If someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see them. Nobody has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, that I do not see. And all this nonsense about tone and stating things as my opinion is all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read what they want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight talk to one person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, annoying and pointless to another. There are way too many people in this world to try to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact voice that sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my posts, well, there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over every word and sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do not have the time. First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further backs up your opinion. It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that is just my opinion. Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are based upon fact or accepted truth. Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some ridiculous point. People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon. http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. =20 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 =20 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? =20 =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20 the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20 decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20 of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. =20 You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20 feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20 change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20 of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. =20 My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = =3D=20 standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes=20 time to make=20 hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20 how should I=20 proceed? Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20 deployment project.=20 =3D20 =20 First thing to be decided:=3D20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? =20 Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help=20 with =3D my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20 expertise somehow? =20 The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20 status is, IMO. =20 =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box=20 tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20 =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will=20 automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20 their own =3D=20 personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed=20 (to use him =3D as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20 made the =3D=20 decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best=20 person I can =3D find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for = their knowledge? =20 =20 =20 =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchanget ext_mode=3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchange text_mode=3D= lang=3D english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange
Just thought I would throw in my 2c. I recently took on the charge of moving a company that is running all UNIX mailhosts (Sendmail\Qpopper)...and moving them to Exchange 2000 (and then to 2003...this month..yah). Natually they have a large amount of *NIX clientsso I had this problem as well. I got a copy of the Ximian Exchange Connector the other day and let me tell you...I was really impressed. The only thing that it was missing (which is not Ximian's fault) is creating server side ruleswhich should be fixed in their Exchnage 2003 connector. I would still like to see an Exchange client that supports Regex based rules...but that is another topic. I was able to do everything that I can do with My Ol2003 client (contacts, calendaring, public folders, etc..). The only thing to consider is that you have to allow an additional WebDAV verb if you have locked down your E2k IIS environment (shame on you if you have not). From what I can tell...a very solid product. I would guess that with Novell picking up Suse as well...things should get very interesting in the distant future for the desktop environment. Best regards, Steve Novell connects Linux desktop users to Microsoft Exchange 2003 12/4/2003 http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/enterprise/2003/0312040815.asp?A=HOMEO=FPIN http://tinyurl.com/xsea Novell today announced support for Microsoft Exchange 2003 via its Ximian Connector for Microsoft Exchange. Ximian Connector for Microsoft Exchange enables users of the Ximian Evolution e-mail and workgroup information management application to easily collaborate with Windows users connected to Microsoft Exchange 2000 or 2003 servers. -Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Their website says they support Mandrake 9.1. Maybe Ximian have just not updated their site to include 9.2? Wasn't 9.2 only released in October? Did you ask one of their sales people? AW - Original Message - From: Jeremy T. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: RE: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange We looked at that, but they do not support Mandrake 9.2. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Hi, You can use Ximian Evolution http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ with their Exchange Connector http://www.ximian.com/products/connector/ for Exchange 2000 or 20003. The client is free, but the Connector will cost you. I think it costs around $25US per client. I use Evolution on my linux desktop, and it has a very Outlook-y feel. Cheers, Allison W. - Original Message - From: Jeremy T. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 AM Subject: Unix/Linux Client for Exchange Greetings! Is anyone familiar with a client that will interact with Exchange on the Unix/Linux platform (specifically Mandrake)? I am looking for the same functionality (or similar) as to Outlook. Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english
RE: Single Use E-Mail?
I will. For my personal mail I have a catch-all account. When I sign up for paypal for example I use paypal@mypersonaldomain.com. If I start to get spam on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just start sending mail sent to that address into a black hole. Note: I'm not suggesting that Paypal sells address's. Although this method is a good way to find out who does. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Single Use E-Mail? I dont think this will reduce unwanted email. -Original Message- From: David Hekimian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Single Use E-Mail? I'd like to allow my users to create a single use e-mail address to help reduce unwanted e-mail. - User mailbox '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' This user can create any new e-mail address by adding a suffix (with a special char '-' for example) such as '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. All suffixes are by default allowed. There would need to be a method that would allow the user to blacklist a specific suffix. My idea would be to create an EventSink for Exch 2000/2003 that when a message is addressed to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' it would parse the LHS of the @ and then do a lookup in a table to see if the blacklist existed. If it did, then it would return a '550 Mailbox does not exist' error code. If it does not exist, then the To: Field would be rewritten to strip out the '-suffix' and deliver the mail to the intended recipient '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Questions: 1. Does something already exist today that does this? An event sink? 3rd Party App (MailMarshal, GFI MailEssentials)? Freeware on Linux, etc? 2. I've already coded the basic functionality for the database look and web interface to modify the blacklist but the Event Sink is causing me some issues. Anyone have experience in Event Sink programming willing to jump in an help with the development? 3. Is this a crazy idea and I should just abandon it? - David _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RUS problems.
Reason I asked was becuase I had a problem similar to this and it ended up being that I didn't realize the OL 2003 uses an OAB when running cached mode (duh). So the OL2003 client, running in cached mode, will only get an updated GAL after the new OAB is generated (normally once a day). I guess the real trick would be to use something like OWA to see if the new objects you created resolve\show up there. Yes, but the only users using that are on Exchange 2003.=20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RUS problems. You would not be using Outlook 2003 in cached mode would you? Exchange 2k sp3 =20 =20 I have a weird problem with my exchange 2000 RUS. When I create a new Distribution Group and let the RUS do its thing, the group doesn't=20 show up in the default GAL. Even though the RUS stamped it with all=20 the correct attributes that the Default GAL is looking for. There is=20 a flip side to that. I have custom address lists under the default=20 GAL with custom LDAP queries on them to pull groups and users. If I=20 go to that specific address list it shows up there, but again, not in=20 the default GAL. Another thing, if I do a preview of the GAL in ESM,=20 the group shows up there. It finally shows up if I go back and edit=20 any part of the group. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RUS problems.
You would not be using Outlook 2003 in cached mode would you? Exchange 2k sp3 I have a weird problem with my exchange 2000 RUS. When I create a new Distribution Group and let the RUS do its thing, the group doesn't show up in the default GAL. Even though the RUS stamped it with all the correct attributes that the Default GAL is looking for. There is a flip side to that. I have custom address lists under the default GAL with custom LDAP queries on them to pull groups and users. If I go to that specific address list it shows up there, but again, not in the default GAL. Another thing, if I do a preview of the GAL in ESM, the group shows up there. It finally shows up if I go back and edit any part of the group. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exch2003 GAL update problem?
When creating new mail objects it is taking roughly 24 hours before they appear in the GAL to MAPI clients. My first thought was the RUS, but I have created some new objects and done the following: 1. Opened the default GAL object in ESM and did a preview to see if the new objects appeared there. They do. 2. Verified that the new objects have teh showinAddressbook attribute populated (along with the other attributes that the RUS populates...all checked out ok). I can send mail to the new objects though thier proxy addresses, but the object do not appear in the GAL and I am having a rough time figuring out why. My environment is a native Exchange 2003\Windows 2003 environment (inplace upgraded). Has anyone else seen this or have a suggestion on something that I might try or check? Thanks, Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exch2003 GAL update problem?
Which version of Outlook? If it's Outlook 2003 in cached mode it's because Outlook is using a OAB, which is only updated by default once a night. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exch2003 GAL update problem? When creating new mail objects it is taking roughly 24 hours before they appear in the GAL to MAPI clients. My first thought was the RUS, but I have created some new objects and done the following: 1. Opened the default GAL object in ESM and did a preview to see if the new objects appeared there. They do. 2. Verified that the new objects have teh showinAddressbook attribute populated (along with the other attributes that the RUS populates...all checked out ok). I can send mail to the new objects though thier proxy addresses, but the object do not appear in the GAL and I am having a rough time figuring out why. My environment is a native Exchange 2003\Windows 2003 environment (inplace upgraded). Has anyone else seen this or have a suggestion on something that I might try or check? Thanks, Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exch2003 GAL update problem?
doh! It is Friday right? Thanks Steve Which version of Outlook? If it's Outlook 2003 in cached mode it's because Outlook is using a OAB, which is only updated by default once a night.=20 Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exch2003 GAL update problem? When creating new mail objects it is taking roughly 24 hours before they appear in the GAL to MAPI clients. My first thought was the RUS, but I have created some new objects and done the following: 1. Opened the default GAL object in ESM and did a preview to see if the new objects appeared there. They do. 2. Verified that the new objects have teh showinAddressbook attribute populated (along with the other attributes that the RUS populates...all checked out ok). I can send mail to the new objects though thier proxy addresses, but the object do not appear in the GAL and I am having a rough time figuring out why. My environment is a native Exchange 2003\Windows 2003 environment (inplace upgraded). Has anyone else seen this or have a suggestion on something that I might try or check? Thanks, Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exchange on the road
I have a customer that wants to be able to get their inter-office Exchange mails on the road. They want to do this from within Outlook. When I POP the Exchange server from outside the office, it starts to download ALL his messages, even those he has already read. Is there a way around this? If I let all the messages download, when he reconnects to the domain, will he get duplicates? Thanks, Steve Cobb _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Limits
One approach you might want to consider is educating your users about the use of Personal Folders. Then, educate yourself about all the problems you will have with PST's... Remember, PST = bad. themolk. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2K Outlook 2K3 - increase in size of *.stm
Neil Andy (and anyone else interested!), Firstly thanks for your replies - every bit helps when you have a conundrum. I managed to increase the size of the exchange drive, and then last night dismounted the store and ran eseutil /d. *.stm file went from approx 9GB to 1.5 GB (what I was expecting!). To that end - not sure WHY it did it, but that solved the problem. And Andy, yes - we need bigger drives (however politics dictate that what the servers have is what they will keep until we upgrade them in 12 months or so). Damn proprietary hard drives! ;) Thanks for your help - this list is a goldmine. themolk. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2K Outlook 2K3 - increase in size of *.stm Sounds like you need bigger drives! Not sure why you want to run eseutil. How much space are you going to reclaim if you do? -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2K Outlook 2K3 - increase in size of *.stm All advice appreciated... We have recently introduced Outlook 2K3 into our Exchange 2000 environment. Our laptop users we have configured to run Outlook in cached exchange mode. In the same time frame, our *.stm has exploded from about 1.5 GB to approx 9GB. The *.edb file has not grown (apart from normal mail services). Why would this have happened? Is it not related to the introduction of Outlook 2K3? Is it related? I have not yet run esutil, as there are other space issues this has now highlighted (and means until I free up some space elsewhere I can't run it, knowing I need approx 110% free space, and we now only have 1.79GB free on the drive the db's live on). I have searched the MS-KB and come up with nada. Ideas, suggestions all welcome... Thanks, themolk. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tumbleweed
I have used Tumbleweed's SecureMail in a 100,000+ seat Exchange shop and I can certainly vouch for them. Solid product with top notch performance. It backends on SQL, which allows for some pretty nifty stuff that you can do as an admin (assuming you know SQL...always a good time to learn). Out of the box you really don't need to know SQL to use it, but if you wanted to tweak it you certain could with some well executed SQL queries. I have seen a single Tumbleweed box push out over 50,000 messages an hour in production and not break a sweat. The AV component is nice, but the content filters are really nice and really powerful in the right hands (it does take awhile to get the content filter just right...which is true of any content filter I think). Anyhow..I would highly recommend it if you can afford it. Has anyone used tumbleweed with Exchange 2000? Thanks Richard Tracy _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exchange 2K Outlook 2K3 - increase in size of *.stm
All advice appreciated... We have recently introduced Outlook 2K3 into our Exchange 2000 environment. Our laptop users we have configured to run Outlook in cached exchange mode. In the same time frame, our *.stm has exploded from about 1.5 GB to approx 9GB. The *.edb file has not grown (apart from normal mail services). Why would this have happened? Is it not related to the introduction of Outlook 2K3? Is it related? I have not yet run esutil, as there are other space issues this has now highlighted (and means until I free up some space elsewhere I can't run it, knowing I need approx 110% free space, and we now only have 1.79GB free on the drive the db's live on). I have searched the MS-KB and come up with nada. Ideas, suggestions all welcome... Thanks, themolk. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Password Mainenance
Ouch., --steve -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Password Mainenance No. We have always manually created the passwords in the past and kept a list. Doesn't make me a hacker of any sort. The company is getting so big, Just looking for a way of automating it yet maintaining a password structure. I am one person managing two departments and too many servers and sorkstations :) John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Password Mainenance What, you mean report what all the new passwords are to you? Are you out of your mind? I sure hope you are kidding. If you seriously want to get a list of ALL passwords, why don't you go out and buy LophtCrack - after all, what you are wanting is something to make you a hacker of the company you work for. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Disappearing email Subject: Password Mainenance Hey all, I am nearing a time when once again, I need to do a password change for my company. Is there any password automation out there, that will allow me to setup a password structure, changes the passwords and give me a report of the new ones? There has to be something out there like that... Thanks John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Excluding specific email message types from backups
Yes, we are using brick level backups. Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you saying that you are using brick-level backups??? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Excluding specific email message types from backups
Background: Running Exchange 2000 with Cisco Unity's Unified Messaging. Management wants us to continue to use Cisco Unity to deliver voice messages left on our IP phones to our email. However, they do not want us to backup the voice messages. We are currently using Veritas Datacenter for backups. We have looked at the Veritas client, Leggato Exchange client, and the Microsoft Backup Utility. None of them allow you to exclude specific messages. They will allow you to exclude specific folders inside the mailbox but not the object or message level. Questions: Does anyone know of a backup client specific for Exchange 2000 that will allow you to exclude all .WAV files from backups? Is there anyone else that is not backing up voice messages within their message stores? Is there a way to do this with a script? How are others handling unified messaging in their environment? Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. 65 Hayden Ave Lexington, MA 02421 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Excluding specific email message types from backups
Problem is that the entire company is using Cisco's Unified Messaging and IP phones. We are looking for the lowest cost solution. Obviously the zero cost solution is to disable the unified messaging. The highest cost solution is not to back up the stores at all. The moderately expensive option is to use the Exchange server that runs on the Unity server and just create everyone in the company a separate mailbox and configure outlook to open the second mailbox and not back up that store. The problem here is the cost for the additional mailboxes/virus scanning/unity lisences/ect... We would really like to stick with the exclude from backups if it is available. Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I would do is make a separate storage group for those mailboxes that contain wav files and not back them up during you normal runs. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Excluding specific email message types from backups
Has nothing to do with saving any money on backups. Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: Just Released - Digital Cable Descrambler 3899
Larry = pst = bad. themolk. P.S. I wish he was the M:\ drive... -Original Message- From: Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 7:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: RE: Just Released - Digital Cable Descrambler 3899 UNLOCK Digital Cable - FREE! ***NEWEST VERSION - Released September 4, 2003*** * Sporting PPVs like Wrestling Boxing * Adult Channels * Special Musical Concerts * Blockbuster New Release PPV Movies Cheapest Price on the NET !! Only $39 ! http://www.noveltynet2003.biz/promo.php?id=93758 Take off list: http://www.noveltynet2003.biz/1/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trend's change to how it reacts to eicar
With pattern 653 (from today) this change in how Scanmail reacts to the EICAR file has been returned to the way it was (it no longer passes the EICAR by default anymore). Cheers Greetings all, I recently had a problem with Scanmail 6.1 that required using the eicar file to troubleshoot (SM was not quarantining when I configured it to do so). To my surprise, no matter what I set the action to SM would pass the eicar file (it sees it and alerts on it...but passes it). So needless to say I got alarmed because who knows what else it was passing. So I opened a case. After a week and 12 engineers later I found this: http://kb.trendmicro.com/solutions/solutionDetail.asp?solutionId=16659submit2=Search Which was also confirmed by this email from Trends support: We have asked our Pattern PM regarding this issue and he told us that this was because of requests from marketing to change the active action of EICAR Test file to pass. This can be resolved by changing the Active Action on SMEX. We are in negotiations with SMEX team on their preferred Active Action. Please wait for further announcements. I wanted to share this with the list for those of us who are using SM (I suspect a number of us are since it tends to be the most recommended). For my current problem this leaves me with no way to trouble shoot it (sending a live virus through SM to see if it quarantines stuff is what I am left with which isnt gonna happen). I personally have big problems with this change (and the fact it was forced on all Trend customers without making it some sort of option) and I have told Trend my feelings about it .but I am but a single voice. Anyhow...now you know if you did not before. Enjoy, Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trend's change to how it reacts to eicar
Greetings all, I recently had a problem with Scanmail 6.1 that required using the eicar file to troubleshoot (SM was not quarantining when I configured it to do so). To my surprise, no matter what I set the action to SM would pass the eicar file (it sees it and alerts on it...but passes it). So needless to say I got alarmed because who knows what else it was passing. So I opened a case. After a week and 12 engineers later I found this: http://kb.trendmicro.com/solutions/solutionDetail.asp?solutionId=16659submit2=Search Which was also confirmed by this email from Trends support: We have asked our Pattern PM regarding this issue and he told us that this was because of requests from marketing to change the active action of EICAR Test file to pass. This can be resolved by changing the Active Action on SMEX. We are in negotiations with SMEX team on their preferred Active Action. Please wait for further announcements. I wanted to share this with the list for those of us who are using SM (I suspect a number of us are since it tends to be the most recommended). For my current problem this leaves me with no way to trouble shoot it (sending a live virus through SM to see if it quarantines stuff is what I am left with which isnt gonna happen). I personally have big problems with this change (and the fact it was forced on all Trend customers without making it some sort of option) and I have told Trend my feelings about it .but I am but a single voice. Anyhow...now you know if you did not before. Enjoy, Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations
MailScanner with SpamAssassin. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations They didn't rank very high in Network World's test of anti-spam vendors, though. NWfusion has a nice table though: http://www.nwfusion.com/bg/2003/spam/results.jsp?category=Server (I've been tasked to find almost the same thing except they're more concerned about spam. We already use Trend's AV product which I swear by. Ever since we installed Trend we haven't had a virus outbreak.) Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Rob Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New AV Gateway Recommendations Something from GFI? Regards, Rob Ellis IT Manager Samsara Group plc Tel 023 9224 7979 Mob 07974 111867 MCP BEng(hons) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 October 2003 16:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: New AV Gateway Recommendations I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just like usual. Here are the features I am looking for * Keyword Blocking * The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking. * AV scanner * Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV gateway and an Antispam gateway are on the same box) * Recipient Exclusion * Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified email addresses without scanning for content or virus's) * Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from specified persons) * A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and just dump any email for an address that does not exist * Must run on Wintel platform * Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc Martin Blackstone Director, Information Technologies Microsoft Exchange MVP Superior Access Insurance Services 949.470.2111 x279 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New AV Gateway Recommendations
When I was running an Exchange consulting gig at a big oil company (100,000+ seats) we used Tumbleweed's product. The thing I really liked about their product was that it is very fast and VERY flexible (SQL backend\web front-end). We were using it for keyword filtering (string matching (with wildcards) with a point scale, so each string has a point value...once the defined threshold for that value it reached while reading through a message it does the desired action on a message) and for AV scanning. You can use a number of different scan engines (I seem to remember using Norton's, but the point is you can choose so you can have a different engine on the SMTP scanner then you do downstream). This was by far the best SMTP scanner I have worked with to date. Anyhow...I highly recommend it as it is fast, flexible, and the support was excellent (plus I believe it does everything that you require). -Steve I'm looking for a new AV gateway product. I'm looking for something that has the following features. Right now we use NAI Websheild SMTP gateway which does a pretty good job but is getting rather dated and it does not appear that this program will updated past its 4.5 version. The program has some nice features, but anything NAI blows, the support gets worse by the day, so I want to move on. The current setup I have is a single server that receives to WebSheild for AV scanning and keyword content filtering. Then it passes it on via port 26 to my MailFrontier for antispam scanning (both run on the same box) which then finally passes it on to the Exchange server boxen on port 25 just like usual. Here are the features I am looking for * Keyword Blocking * The ability to turn anti spam off and just use keyword blocking. * AV scanner * Ability to pass the mail on another port (such as when an AV gateway and anAntispam gateway are on the same box) * Recipient Exclusion * Sender exclusion (allow mail to pass directly from specified email addresses without scanning for content or virus's) * Originator Blocking (just dump any email that comes from specified persons) * A bonus would be that if it could do a lookup against my GAL and just dump any email for an address that does not exist * Must run on Wintel platform * Customizeable NDR's for content filtering, etc Martin Blackstone Director, Information Technologies Microsoft Exchange MVP Superior Access Insurance Services 949.470.2111 x279 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to find total number of mailboxes
Is there an easy way to get the total number of mailboxes I have in the organization across multiple servers? Is there a utility that I can run against the servers? Just looking for a total number of mailboxes without counting them all manually? TIA, Steve Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to find total number of mailboxes
Sorry, Exch 2000. Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: How to find total number of mailboxes What version of Exchange? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delegate Sent on behalf of is not being displaying
That was the issue. Thanks. Steve Steve Iadarola Senior Support Specialist Cubist Pharmaceuticals, Inc. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Delegate Sent on behalf of is not being displaying Are you sure that they are filling in the From field, or still have it displayed? That's usually the culprit in cases like this. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delegate Sent on behalf of is not being displaying
Has anyone ever seen an instance when a delegate sends an email and it displays as From: Delegate and not the standard Sent on behalf of Delegate? This was working fine now all of a sudden it displays the messages as if the Delegate sent the email form their own account. Environment is a primary Exchange 2000 Enterprise running on Windows 2000 Advanced Server. I am in the process of moving mailboxes over to a new Exchange 2000 Cluster. I have about 90% of the company on the new cluster and the remaining 10% still on the original server. I have already removed the delegate permissions from the users mailbox and then re added the delegate to the mailbox. I also made sure that the delegate was in the Send on behalf of field in AD Users and Computers for the user. Could this have been screwed up by the mailbox move? Both the User and the Delegate are in the same OU and Storage Group. Anyone have any thoughts? TIA Steve Iadarola _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delegate Sent on behalf of is not being displaying
Not sure. I will check with them in the morning. Thanks, Steve Iadarola -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Delegate Sent on behalf of is not being displaying Are you sure that they are filling in the From field, or still have it displayed? That's usually the culprit in cases like this. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: forward for a transaction
I'm a big fan of the fact that it is an EXTREMELY BUSINESS TRANSACTION. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September 2003 10:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: forward for a transaction FROM DESK OF:MR.JERRY JOSEPH. NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION(NNPC) FALOMO OFFICE COMPLEX IKOYI, LAGOS NIGERIA. DEAR SIR, EXTREMELY BUSINESS TRANSACTION RE: REMITTANCE OF US28,500,000.00 MILLION DOLLARS INTO PRIVATE/COMPANY ACCOUNT BASED ON A RECENT RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR COMPANY FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE.WE ARE COMPELLED TO CONTACT YOU ON THIS BUSINESS PROPOSAL,WHICH WILL CERTAINLY BOOST OUR FINANCIAL STAND WHEN CONCLUDED. WE ARE TOP FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONARIES WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) HEADQUARTERS, LAGOS AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE TENDER BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR AWARD OF ALL NNPC FOREIGN CONTRACTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES, WE PROPOSE TO REMIT THE SUM OF US$28,500,000.00 (TWENTY EIGTH MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED TATES DOLLARS ONLY)INTO AN HONEST NOMINATED FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT AND LATER INVEST PART OF THIS FUND IN A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS IN YOUR COUNTRY. THIS AMOUNT WAS DERIVED FROM OVER ANVOICED CONTRACT VALUE ON VARIOUS NNPC CONTRACT, AT PORT HARCOURT AND WARRI RE FINERIES WHICH HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED AND COMMISSIONED AND ACCORDINGLY THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTORS DULY PAID. THIS OVER INFLATED AMOUNT IS NOW IN A SUSPENSE ACCOUNT AWAITING PROPER DOCUMENTATION FOR REMITTANCE INTO A RELIABLE FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT, WE HAVE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO ALLOCATE YOU 25% OF THIS FUND FORPROVIDING THE FOREIGN BANK WHERE THIS FUND WILL BE REMITTED AND DEQUATE ASSISTANCE EQUALLY, WE HAVE SET ASIDE 5% FOR LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL EXPENSES,WHILE 70% IS FOR US THE OFFICIALS CONCERNED. YOU SHOULD INDICATE YOUR INTEREST AND ABILITY IN ACCEPTING AND ASSISTING US ADEQUATELY TO ACHIEVE THIS GREAT OBJECTIVE TO ENABLE US PUT UP PAYMENT CLAIMS AND TO EFFECT REMITTANCE OF THE FUND INTO YOUR ACCOUNT, YOU SHOULD SEND URGENTLY THE FOLLOWING TO THE ABOVE NUMBER: A.ACCOUNT NAME/ADDRESS, TELEX/FAX NUMBER OF YOUR BANK B.YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER, YOUR PRIVATE FAX/TELEPHONE NUMBERS RESPECTIVELY. AT THE RECEIPT OF THESE VITAL REQUIREMENTS FROM YOU, WE SHALL QUICKLY CONTACT THE CONCERNED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES FOR SPEEDY APPROVALS OF THE PAYMENT. THIS TRANSACTION IS VERY URGENT AND SENSITIVE IN VIEW OF THIS FACT, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT IT WILL LAST FOR (14) WORKING DAYS FROM THE RECEIPT OF THE ABOVE NAMED REQUIRE MENTS TO THE DATE OF REMITTANCE OF FUND INTO YOUR ACCOUNT WE SHALL USE A GREATER PART OF OUR SHARE FOR INVESTMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY AS TO BE DIRECTED BY YOU.AS WE SOLICIT FOR ADEQUATE ASSISTANCE. HONESTY AND MAXIMUM COOPERATION FROM YOU. YOU SHOULD MAINTAIN STRICTLY CONFIDENTIALITY OF THIS BUSINESS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING YOUR POSITIVE RESPONSE. BEST REGARDS, MR.JERRY JOSEPH. FROM DESK OF:MR.JERRY JOSEPH. NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION(NNPC) FALOMO OFFICE COMPLEX IKOYI, LAGOS NIGERIA. DEAR SIR, EXTREMELY BUSINESS TRANSACTION RE: REMITTANCE OF US28,500,000.00 MILLION DOLLARS INTO PRIVATE/COMPANY ACCOUNT BASED ON A RECENT RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR COMPANY FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE.WE ARE COMPELLED TO CONTACT YOU ON THIS BUSINESS PROPOSAL,WHICH WILL CERTAINLY BOOST OUR FINANCIAL STAND WHEN CONCLUDED. WE ARE TOP FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONARIES WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) HEADQUARTERS, LAGOS AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE TENDER BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR AWARD OF ALL NNPC FOREIGN CONTRACTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES, WE PROPOSE TO REMIT THE SUM OF US$28,500,000.00 (TWENTY EIGTH MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED TATES DOLLARS ONLY)INTO AN HONEST NOMINATED FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT AND LATER INVEST PART OF THIS FUND IN A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS IN YOUR COUNTRY. THIS AMOUNT WAS DERIVED FROM OVER ANVOICED CONTRACT VALUE ON VARIOUS NNPC CONTRACT, AT PORT HARCOURT AND WARRI RE FINERIES WHICH HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED AND COMMISSIONED AND ACCORDINGLY THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTORS DULY PAID. THIS OVER INFLATED AMOUNT IS NOW IN A SUSPENSE ACCOUNT AWAITING PROPER DOCUMENTATION FOR REMITTANCE INTO A RELIABLE FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT, WE HAVE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO ALLOCATE YOU 25% OF THIS FUND FORPROVIDING THE FOREIGN BANK WHERE THIS FUND WILL BE REMITTED AND DEQUATE ASSISTANCE EQUALLY, WE HAVE SET ASIDE 5% FOR LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL EXPENSES,WHILE 70% IS FOR US THE OFFICIALS CONCERNED. YOU SHOULD INDICATE YOUR INTEREST AND ABILITY IN ACCEPTING AND ASSISTING US ADEQUATELY TO ACHIEVE THIS GREAT OBJECTIVE TO ENABLE US PUT UP PAYMENT CLAIMS AND TO EFFECT REMITTANCE OF THE FUND INTO YOUR ACCOUNT, YOU SHOULD SEND URGENTLY THE FOLLOWING TO THE ABOVE NUMBER:
RE: Exchange 2003 RBL
Matt, What does this have to do with the thread in place? Perhaps if you want help you need to send a new e-mail so that a new thread starts (or continue the thread this started on)?? I know those that will want to help will find it easier if this is the case. My $0.02 (inc GST). themolk. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 7:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed to get MOST of my users to transfer over. Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not transfer inexplicably. They now have no mailboxes. Also, even more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a whole lot of data here. I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I get any of it back now? The tape drive that was used for those backups was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4 domain before. I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on the upgraded box. Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5 servers and restore or backup data to them remotely. However, the 5.5 management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to. It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD domain. Is this the problem? Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD domain and try restoring there? Is this a common problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server? I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users are having major panic attacks. Thanks, Matt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SAN
Yeah but that's not necessarily because it was a SAN. If you double the number of disks the databases are on for example your going to see a performance increase, whether it's DAS or SAN. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN Just to add my 2 bits We moved our Exchange 5.5 running on win2k from direct attached disk raid 5 to a IBM ESS 2105 Shark, and we saw about 300 to 400% performance increase. -Original Message- From: Rosales, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN Clarification Windows 2000 and Exchange 5.5 -Original Message- From: Rosales, Mario Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:17 AM To: 'Exchange Discussions' Subject: Exchange and SAN Has anyone ran Exchange in a SAN, and were there any issues with it? I've always had a raid array attached to it which could be the same thing but did not know if there were any major differences? Any help would be appreciate it. Thanks, Mario *** The contents of this communication are intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication and notify the sender. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this communication that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SAN
Mark Twain said: Put all your eggs in one basket, and watch that basket. Seriously though if you have good SAN hardware, the uptime on that equipment is amazing. You have to remember that everything is redundant. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 3:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN I can't get past the concept that if the SAN dies (ie FC card or Power Supplies) then all teh servers you have attached to it are dead in the water. Sounds like a quasi mainframe to me. I still prefer many eggs and many baskets and take the disk hit. Mind you I would be interested in SAN technology just to put the tape drives external to the server room (like a few miles away via fibre) cheers Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/09/2003 7:52:42 a.m. I'll kindly ask you to get off of my soapbox. My favorite one I've heard lately: Well, it uses fiber to attach to the SAN so it's much faster for Exchange. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN As long as you don't buy into the great white lie of SAN's, you're golden. That lie is that there's no performance hit created by taking a single large array and carving it into a bunch of LUNs - there's a physics issue there. Other than that, its just a bunch of disks, just like the SCSI attached ones you probably have now. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Rosales, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SAN Has anyone ran Exchange in a SAN, and were there any issues with it? I've always had a raid array attached to it which could be the same thing but did not know if there were any major differences? Any help would be appreciate it. Thanks, Mario ** * The contents of this communication are intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication and notify the sender. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this communication that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ** * _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Northland State of the Environment Report 2002 now online at www.nrc.govt.nz ** NORTHLAND REGIONAL COUNCIL This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A CHALLENGE to the List
Ditto from an Aussie... themolk. -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 8:08 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: A CHALLENGE to the List I see the 10 to 12 looks like its gone, but I would be happy to accept your challenge should you want a non-USA review of your book. regards Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/09/2003 8:23:27 a.m. Well, it appears that a number of individuals from this list have chosen to engage in childish and cowardly ad hominem attacks on myself and Achieving Process Profitability: Building the IT Profit Center without ever even reading a single page of it. I have been in contact with Amazon.com so these reviews will be removed in the near future. I could take this opportunity to opine about how unprofessional, unfair, childish and cowardly this is, but instead I offer this challenge: I will send you a copy of my Achieving Process Profitability at my own expense for you to review. All that I ask in return is that you actually read Achieving Process Profitability and post an honest, impartial review of it's contents, not your personal prejudices, to Amazon.com and this list. I will only respond to indivuals that publicly accept my challenge on this list, just respond to this message and then privately email me your name and address. I have a limited supply of books so I will accept the first 10-12 responses to this challenge. All fair-minded individuals will accept this challenge and the rest of the pompous bags of gas will be exposed for what they are. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Northland State of the Environment Report 2002 now online at www.nrc.govt.nz ** NORTHLAND REGIONAL COUNCIL This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SAN
Anything newer than a F840 is a NAS/SAN. It's a traditional NAS and you can have block level access to a LUN via FC, just like a traditonal SAN. It would be like taking an EMC and sticking a Ethernet NIC on it. Also anything newer than the 800 series gives you iSCSI for free. It will be interesting to see how quickly Exchange and iSCSI come along. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN I thought NetApp only made NAS boxes, not SANs. Oh, yeah - snapshots don't work, but a local backup to disk (with NTBackup) would most likely smoke. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SAN I have run into this in a couple of situations. One where we had a cluster communicating to a SAN and the other where we had a single member server talking to a SAN. In both cases I have seen network communications problems result in the IS shutting down because the SA can't talk to it. In the cluster environment the Cluster Server restarts the service just fine after about 5 minutes. In the single server environment I have seen this occur as well. However, I have also seen where the SAN (Network Appliance) corrupted the file because there was a backup going on at the same time the snapshot was being taken. In this case we simply do a snapshot restore and we are back up in about 15-20 minutes. In this case we adjusted the backup job to start well after the snapshot was taken and haven't had any problems since. I hope this helps. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Rosales, Mario Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Exchange and SAN Has anyone ran Exchange in a SAN, and were there any issues with it? I've always had a raid array attached to it which could be the same thing but did not know if there were any major differences? Any help would be appreciate it. Thanks, Mario ** * The contents of this communication are intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication and notify the sender. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this communication that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ** * _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=la ng=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security
It doesn't, but it keeps people from reusing credentials. At least I believe that's the posters point. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security I don't see how that would stop key-logging. Ed --- Greg Marr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have set up our OWA to require two-factor authentication (SecurID) which eliminates any key-logging concerns but this system is not cheap at approx $300 AU ($160 US) per user. The upside is that you can use the same system to authenticate all of your remote access users (dial-up, VPN, etc) and this is the function that really allows me to sleep well at night. I guess that it all depends on how many people are going to require this functionality and of course, your budget. Greg -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security We talked about this exact scenario. We decided that given how easy it is to install a key logger, and other malware, on public systems we decided it was too risky. We are planning on using public folders quite heavily with data that we can't risk getting out. Same with the address books. We are trying to figure out a way to give people access to email only from a public terminal. No public folders or address books. If you have any suggestions, that would be great. Erick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security ISA is a better solution in a DMZ because it doesn't require the plethora of holes in the internal firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tec hnet/prodtechnol/isa/deploy/isaexch.asp Requiring VPN (your other message) is a good idea, however, you may be coming back to ISA or some other idea when your users demand to be able to get e-mail from a coffeehouse kiosk terminal. Ed --- Erick Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to admit to being a little confused, how would ISA help, aside from being a proxy? Which isn't nothing, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something else. Thanks, Erick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security Don't forget you also have to fully protect the front end server from all the other servers on the DMZ from which it is not isolated. Those other systems may have been placed on the DMZ in an insecure state with the thought that if anyone broke them, they would be isolated from the internal LAN. What happens when you put the FE in the DMZ is you break that theory. The DMZ is no longer isolated from the LAN. You definitely have to secure the FE, but once you have, why not put it inside where it is not at risk from questionable systems on the DMZ? Better to put an ISA server in the DMZ as was suggested earlier. Regarding IPSEC, Exchange 2003 explicitly states that IPSEC is now supported between front end and back end. So if you upgrade, that's perhaps an option. Though a lesser one than using ISA imho. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leeann McCallum Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security You could throw an OWA front end server in the DMZ, put certificate on as Ed suggests, and then wrap everything up in an IPSEC packet that goes between the front end and backend. Between the client on the net and the front end, you would use SSL, so just open 443. -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 11:29 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security Ed, I'm a little confused. You're recommending that I put in a front end server, but not in the DMZ? It seems to me that I might have to open a bunch of ports, but if the front end server is in the LAN, all ports are by default open. Just to clarify, I have one Exchange server which lives on my LAN
RE: Mailbox moves completed, but....
Where does AD say the mailbox is? Has c run on the old database lately? Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Duncan Scott Subject: Mailbox moves completed, but Good afternoon, I have completed moving 1700+ mailboxes from one server to the other. We are using Outlook 98 Exchange Windows 2000. After the moves were completed I have a few stray mailboxes that are hanging around that are duplicated on the two servers. Under total K they show 0K, even though the mailbox on the correct server (the one moved to) show the correct space 58,098K. I am afraid if we delete the mailbox on the almost empty server, we will delete the real mailbox. So we don't want to do that. We could dump the mailbox to a PST, delete the mailbox and restore the mailbox, but that would cause problems because all communications to the old mailbox would be severed and people couldn't do replies to the eMAILs that are sitting in the mailbox. Meetings couldn't be canceled. What a quandary. What do we do? Just turn off the server and clean it off.. I don't think so. Thanks for any help you might have. Regards, Mike Mitchell Systems email Administrator Alverno Information Services * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211 Education is when you read the fine print, experience is what you get when you don't! - Pete Seeger _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Tony, If you agree with Andy, then why not do something about it and CHANGE THE SUBJECT?! themolk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? I completely agree with you. I have progressed on the issue. I deleted the administrator local profile, now the tools work. However, I am getting a nasty message in the event log that suggests there is a schema problem... Maybe Ed can look at it ? Source EXOLEDB Event Id 111 Microsoft Exchange OLEDB was unable to do Schema propagation on MDB startup HRESULT = 0x80040e19 Is a Windows 2003 Server with Exchange 2003, recently upgraded from Windows 2000 Exchange 2000... Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: 16 September 2003 00:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The question is, do you have anything to contribute to the ethics/book discussion or are you just hijacking this topic? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100
Re: Strange behaviour after running ISINTEG
Glenn, I have seen this exact issue as well and the SIS hotfix does resolve it (after applying it and then running ISINTEG on each DB). When you run ISINTEG without the fix it will temporarily resolve the discrepancy between the real mailbox size and what is reported (thus the sudden mailbox size increases), but it will come back until the SIS hf is applied. Jason, I did find the article in the end, IIRC you transposed some of the numbers in the article ID. IIRC the article is more in reference to a bug in the SIS component, where a message received by multiple users on the same store is modified by one or more users and the size / references are not updated correctly (or something like that). It certainly could be one of the problems we are having, however the level of corruption (in the order of several hundred thousand messages in one store alone) points to something more fundamental. Glenn - Original Message - From: Kelley, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: RE: Strange behaviour after running ISINTEG It wasn't a premier article. I had pulled up the article when I sent the e-mail but now I can't find it either. It's not even on the list of bugs that the rollup hotfix addresses. Basically the mailbox size in ESM is different than what outlook tells the user and when you run an isinteg the mailbox size in ESM is larger, more accurate to what outlook says it is. Sorry I didn't send the full link initially Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Corbett Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Strange behaviour after running ISINTEG Is that a premier only article ? cant seem to find it on technet. G. - Original Message - From: Kelley, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: RE: Strange behaviour after running ISINTEG Check out Q article Q818830 We applied the single instance store hotfix before it was part of the Sept hotfix rollup. When we ran isinteg we had many mailboxes jump in size. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Corbett Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Strange behaviour after running ISINTEG All, Recently we have been having some strange behaviours with user mailboxes, such as users being denied access to folders in their mailboxes, rules disappearing etc. After running ISINTEG on all stores (approx 20), a number of errors were found and fixed...all good so far. After remounting the stores everything looked fineuntil the next morning when people came back to work. A number of mailboxes had suddenly a LOT more mail in their inboxes and deleted items folders, some users over 200mb worth, which threw a lot of the organisation over the store limits and stopped them sending and receiving mail. We temporarily increased the store limits to cope with the problem, however we are still at a loss to explain what happened. After speaking with PSS, they are also at a bit of a loss as well. I've also checked Technet and other online resources, but no mention is made of this sort of problem. - Some users had no effect on their mailboxes - Some users had lots of mail return to either their deleted items or inbox (we are surmising that the way the message was originally deleted has determined where it came back to - shift-delete - back to inbox, deleted via deleted items - back to delete items). - The restored messages don't seem to be from the previous days. In all of the cases we have confirmed, messages deleted the couple of days previous didn't come back, but messages deleted prior to that did come back. Has anyone seen this behaviour before and could possibly explain what happened ? As with all of these things, the people most affected were senior management, and they are screaming for a satisfactory response. Config: Windows 2000 SP2 with hotfixes Exchange 2000 SP2 - 6 Servers, 2 badly affected, 1 with minor effects, 3 not affected at all Trend Scanmail installed on all servers 1 Storage group on each server, between 2 and 4 databases per storage group On the servers that were affected, only one or two of the 4 stores was affected. As far as we can determine, either Exchange wasn't properly cleaning out deleted items from mailboxes (but was reducing the size of mailboxes as users were under the mailbox limit cap until the messages were restored), OR something happened and exchange replayed some of the transaction logs restoring old messages (but in that case all of the stores in the storage group should have been affected, but weren't) Thoughts ? TIA Glenn
RE: Another NAV for Exchange Question
It does. You list it as a file in a file filter, then don't check the box that says block (or something along those lines) Steve Evans SDSU Foundation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Another NAV for Exchange Question I'm not sure that exists in Antigen either, though I don't have their latest Beta yet. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Another NAV for Exchange Question I have not seen this ability in NAV for Exchange. -Original Message- From: Woods, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Another NAV for Exchange Question Hello, NT 4 SP6a Exch 5.5 SP4 NAV for Exch 2.18 With the attachment blocking in NAV, is it possible to exclude certain files by exact file name? We have Faxination here and it's forms call two exe's to produce the forms. Their support said that Antigen and/or Trend have the ability to exclude certain files from the file blocking process. Does NAV? They weren't sure and I can't find anything to that effect on their support site. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tony _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
That's absolutely right - to quote the Great Ed...
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioural problems
A length of 2x4 is hardly technological, and supremely satisfying
wielded in the hands of a frustrated IT admin. Win - Win!
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: Michael L. Callahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
In all seriousness, this is a policy issue. If you don't
have an acceptable use policy for your internal network and
applications, then get one, get sign off by management,
publish it and enforce it. If you have one and it doesn't
cover this, amend it so that it will.
As someone wise on this list has mentioned, technology is not
a cure for bad behavior. A 2x4, however, is.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moir
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
I can see a recurring theme in all our replies...
-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 01/09/2003 19:44
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: Mdeamon on my Network!
Grab a baseball bat and pay the user a visit.
-Original Message-
From: Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:27 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Mdeamon on my Network!
Subject: Mdeamon on my Network!
Hello there, I have E2k and W2k environment, what I
have seen today is
that one of our user installed Mdeamon mail server
used my E2k as a
gateway to send mails to internals users with a
different domain name.
How can I restrict this kind of activity?
Hope you gurus out there can have some idea on this.
Regards,
Irf.
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Messagelabs. Postini, etc..
Hello all, I wonder if those of you that have have experience with the above services could take a moment and share them, good or bad? We're currently using Messagelabs (the idea was to help control spam and add an additional layer of virus protection to our network), and while the anti-spam and anti-virus scanning service are good, the outbound mail has been very unreliable and we've actually moved our outbound back to our gateway SMTP servers as a result. Technical support has been poor as well. TIA for any comments. Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc..
Thanks for the reply Aaron. Do you happen to know what percentage of spam Postini is catching at your company? -Original Message- From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. We are early in the process of using Postini. So far, the experience has been positive with no issues experienced. I have not yet used technical support. Documentation is complete and useable. It's is doing a very good job of detecting SPAM. We won't be using their spooling service. I don't believe they offer an outbound solution. Aaron -Original Message- From: Steve Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. Hello all, I wonder if those of you that have have experience with the above services could take a moment and share them, good or bad? We're currently using Messagelabs (the idea was to help control spam and add an additional layer of virus protection to our network), and while the anti-spam and anti-virus scanning service are good, the outbound mail has been very unreliable and we've actually moved our outbound back to our gateway SMTP servers as a result. Technical support has been poor as well. TIA for any comments. Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc..
Thanks for the reply, Raj. Are you letting your users control their own spam settings (I believe that Postini offers this), or do you control it company-wide? Thanks again, Steve -Original Message- From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. We have used Postini for a couple of months now. Looks good so far, we are only using it for spam control on inbound mail. I would highly recommend it, Tech support is good as well. Raj -Original Message- From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. We are early in the process of using Postini. So far, the experience has been positive with no issues experienced. I have not yet used technical support. Documentation is complete and useable. It's is doing a very good job of detecting SPAM. We won't be using their spooling service. I don't believe they offer an outbound solution. Aaron -Original Message- From: Steve Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. Hello all, I wonder if those of you that have have experience with the above services could take a moment and share them, good or bad? We're currently using Messagelabs (the idea was to help control spam and add an additional layer of virus protection to our network), and while the anti-spam and anti-virus scanning service are good, the outbound mail has been very unreliable and we've actually moved our outbound back to our gateway SMTP servers as a result. Technical support has been poor as well. TIA for any comments. Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail message, including any attachments, contains information that is confidential, may be protected by the attorney/client or other applicable privileges, and may constitute non-public information. This message is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, do not read it; please immediately notify the sender that you have received this message in error and delete this message.Unauthorized use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, reproduction of this message or the information contained in this message or the taking of any action in reliance on it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc..
Tom, Messagelabs was right around $4500/yr for the services we've contracted for - antivirus, antispam and antiporn. The first two work well. The last one is worthless, IMHO. The users are happy with the spam levels we're seeing. Messagelabs also offers an outbound scanning service (comes with every account) and has not been reliable at all. We're getting sporadic 553 errors as well as bounces because one or more of their servers have found their way into SPEWS.ORG's lists. At this point, the appeal of SpamAssasin isn't lost on me. When we went with messagelabs, the goal was less administration which has turned out to be a myth with Messagelabs. I've used the Postfix in the past and will take a look at SpamAssasin again. Thanks for the reply! Steve -Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. I dunno how much you're paying for MessageLabs' service, but it's pretty much a customized front end for the open-source SpamAssassin. The only benefit I can see over a stock Postfix/Sendmail gateway using Spamassassin, perhaps with MailScanner or amavisd or Anomy Sanitizer for some more advanced content routing, is that it gives more granular per-user settings. That's a lot of money on a bet that they can do better than 99.5% with 0 false positives than I do with a server I had laying around gathering dust, and routing sensitive information through a third party. Not familiar with how much better Postini does than 99.5% catch with 0 FPs. My users are simply thrilled. But I haven't told them they *could* have individualized Bayesian databases rather than a monolithic domain-wide one. -Original Message- From: Steve Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. Subject: Messagelabs. Postini, etc.. Hello all, I wonder if those of you that have have experience with the above services could take a moment and share them, good or bad? We're currently using Messagelabs (the idea was to help control spam and add an additional layer of virus protection to our network), and while the anti-spam and anti-virus scanning service are good, the outbound mail has been very unreliable and we've actually moved our outbound back to our gateway SMTP servers as a result. Technical support has been poor as well. TIA for any comments. Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
We have Messagelabs - NAV for Gateways - NAV for Exchange - NAV Corporate on the desktops. Seems to work well as we've never had a virus reach one of the desktops. Steve -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels. _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
When I was a messaging consultant I worked for a very large oil company (well over 100k seats) that had scanning done on the SMTP gateways and on the desktop, but nothing on the Exchange side (something like 120 e2k servers). From what I remember they had not had a email born virus outbreak\infection in years. But the way they got away with this was being very strict on what machines were allowed to plug into their network. Normally I recommend 3 levels, but I have to say this oil company seemed to make 2 levels work (each using a different AV engine). I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels. _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
Samantha, This list is at sometimes a little rough. If you wish to communicate within this community there are certain expectations # 1, read the FAQ for this list (as you should for any list). There are a bunch of very smart folk on this list that are giving advise for *free*.. If you don't like the advise ask for a refund[1] [1] This was a quote sorry I can't remember who first made the statement. --steve -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thanks Tony for your advice. Why do you care what I ask on this listserv? I thought this list was for questions. Maybe the questions asked by people in this list seem stupid to you, but they are not. Who made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and which ones are not? If you are too good for the questions being asked on this list then don't answer. I don't know if all you do all day is work on an Exchange servers but I wear many hats here in the name of special education children and I don't have time during or after work everyday/and every minute to read books on Exchange server. I have picked up a few good books in the past few weeks and they are helpful and hopefully I won't have to bother this list.I wish for nothing more. But until I become a pro like yourself, I will look to people like yourself who know this stuff backwards and forwards to give some direction. I take great offense to your undeserved comments and wish that you could remember the days when you were learning. I was given this project and am doing the best I can. This list is for getting help, not a social event for buddies. It is a shame that you are not more patient. Thanks and I have appreciated your help in the past. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You really really need to get trained on Exchange or start reading books on it as oppossed to asking this list for every thing you do. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Why is it there though? Will services run without it? Why would M:icrosoft put that there? Thanks Sam -Original Message- From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Are you being funny? There is definitely a M: drive! What is that He's saying IGNORE the M: drive. Don't use it for anything. Don't virus scan it! Don't back it up! -kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trend? (Was Exchange Services).
I have to admit that Trend does tend to be the better product out there (from what I have heard and seen). I know Groupshield at a VERY intimate level (more then I would like to admit on this list) and I would recommend staying away from it personally. One thing to point out about Trend (and any AV vendor really) is that when you go to buy their Exchange product they will try to tell you to put the Exchange AV product on every Exchange server (many even go so far as to put it in their documentation). The problem with this is that if they are using the AVAPI (2.0 and below) then it only scans MAPI transactions (not SMTP). So putting an Exchange AV solution on a bridge head that just routes SMTP mail is worthless (again..as long as it is using the AVAPI v2.0 and below). Exchange 2003 includes version 2.5, which allows for scanning of SMTP transactions, at which point it does then make sense to put an AV solution on a bridge head server. Just wanted to make this point because I have seen a number of companies paying for licenses for an Exchange AV solution on a bridgehead server that uses the AVAPI. Anyhow...Enjoy Trend if that is what you get...it is definitely a good product. For those of you who care, after many sleepless nights, it turns out my problem came down to good old Groupshield for Exchange. Needless to say it's gone now. Is Scanmail still the defacto? I would like to get the best antivirus package out there. Thanks, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps OWA, perhaps not...
NT4.0sp6a + ex 5.5 + owa, this is a small simple exchange deployment with OWA is running so that my warehouse guys can see mail. Yesterday we had a power failure and dispite UPS's my exchange box went down fast (and not quietly). The box came back up but it seems like OWA is now pooched.. I'm not sure if the problem is with IIS or OWA, I would lean more to IIS but I'd like more to go on. I get Event IDs 5 290 1003 1011 (the last two seem more like IIS) I'm also looking at Q184841 XWEB: OWA Component for IIS May Cause Heap Corruption I also can't telnet to :80 on the box anymore. When I try to start the MMC for IIS I get an error cannot connect to mail the data is invalid Thoughts --steve Steve Hanna Network/Systems Administrator Niagara Plumbing Supply Company Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is nothing common about sense. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003
Bob, Its all about IIS. That is the easiest way to remember it. Exchange 2000 cannot run on IIS 6.0, but Exchange 2003 can run on IIS 5.0. -Steve What? I thought it was the other way around? OK, for those in the know, please clear this up. You upgrade Exchange first, then OS? Or OS first, then Exchange? Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life! http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=3Db4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68=20 -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003 I do not believe you can install Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003. Windows 2003 runs IIS 6.0, which Exchange 2000 does not support. On the other hand Exchange 2003 can run on IIS 5.0. So the proper upgrade path is upgrade Exchange 2000 first and then upgrade the OS to Windows 2003. Thanks, Steve Are there any restrictions on running Exchange 2000 on a Windows 2003=20 platform? =20 =20 Ron Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003
I do not believe you can install Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003. Windows 2003 runs IIS 6.0, which Exchange 2000 does not support. On the other hand Exchange 2003 can run on IIS 5.0. So the proper upgrade path is upgrade Exchange 2000 first and then upgrade the OS to Windows 2003. Thanks, Steve Are there any restrictions on running Exchange 2000 on a Windows 2003 platform? Ron Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000 ForestPrep Fails
Jamie, As I understand it, Forestprep is only meant to be run on a Windows 2000 domain... I am happy to be wrong, however. themolk. -Original Message- From: Jamie Domingue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 2:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Greetings, I am encountering into a problem when I try to run ForestPrep to add the first Exchange 2000 server to an existing Exchange 5.5 site. At the time setup runs its checks I am getting an Invalid Character error. I have checked the display names of both the Organization and Sites and there is no problem there. I have also looked at the XADM: Invalid Character Error Occurs When You Upgrade or Join an Exchange Server 5.5 Site KB article 289671. I am in the process of checking for schema attributes that may have multiple descriptions though I have not found any yet. Have any of you encountered this problem before? Are there any recommendations on how to resolve this? Exchange 5.5 SP4 Windows NT SP6 CA Backup software Mcafee Virus Scanning Thanks in advance, Jamie Domingue _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003
According to the deployment guide: Before you install Exchange Server 2003, ensure that your network and servers meet the following system-wide requirements: Domain controllers are running Windows 2000 Server Service Pack 3 (SP3) or Windows Server 2003. Global catalog servers are running Windows 2000 SP3 or Windows Server 2003. It is recommended that you have a global catalog server in every domain where you plan to install Exchange 2003. Domain Name System (DNS) and Windows Internet Name Service (WINS) are configured correctly in your Windows site. Servers are running Windows 2000 SP3 or Windows Server 2003 Active Directory. So there is no requirement for AD to be hosted on a Win2003 box. The requirement to install Exchange 2003 first on a particular box is because Exchange 2000 does not work with IIS 6.0. -Steve The real reason is that 2003 AD Schema is very different than 2000, so this should be the upgrade path. Upgrade Windows 2000 to 2003, then upgrade E2K to E3K, but I would be scared to do this. Eric -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003 What? I thought it was the other way around? OK, for those in the know, please clear this up. You upgrade Exchange first, then OS? Or OS first, then Exchange? Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life! http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=3Db4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68=20 -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Running Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003 I do not believe you can install Exchange 2000 on Windows 2003. Windows 2003 runs IIS 6.0, which Exchange 2000 does not support. On the other hand Exchange 2003 can run on IIS 5.0. So the proper upgrade path is upgrade Exchange 2000 first and then upgrade the OS to Windows 2003. Thanks, Steve Are there any restrictions on running Exchange 2000 on a Windows 2003 platform? =20 =20 Ron Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Attachments and the Priv
Ok...I'm nitpickingbut just so the terminology is right...doesn't really store attachments as a file anywhere, but stores the data in a database with multiple pointers (if multiple people received the message). Best regards, Steve Hi, I get asked this all the time and really have never figured it out. Is there a link on MS about this or in a book somewhere. I have not been able to find it. As an Exchange Admin I should know this - argh. When an email with attachment gets sent to 'N' people does that attachment stay in the store as one file or is it stored as 'N' files? TIA, Erik L. Vesneski WCDC Intel Lead/Sr. Systems Specialist ISO - Intel Systems=20 Ph#: 925-658-6161 www.pmigroup.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forward all unknown email addresses to an external server
Erick, I believe what you are looking for is on the properties of the SMTP Virutal server in ESM. Go to the Messages tab and there is a field on the bottom titled Forward all mail with unresolved recipients to host:. Thanks, Steve I am in the process of moving from an SMTP/POP system to Exchange 2000. At the moment, I have specific address on the SMTP system forwarding to another domain, which is handled on the Exchange system. For example, my address [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets redirected to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is the domain of the Exchange system. However, fairly soon I would like to set up Exchange to handle the nbr.org domain, change the MX records, and forward unknown addresses (those accounts that haven't been moved) to the old SMTP system. Can Exchange do this? If so, how should I set it up? Thanks, Erick _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange calendar problems - Exchange 2000, Outlook 2002
Chris, Thanks for the response. I checked, and no, the user doesn't have mail delivered to a PST. The only PST in use is ARCHIVE.PST. Mail goes straight to the users' mailbox on exchange. Steve -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Strange calendar problems - Exchange 2000, Outlook 2002 Does the recipient have mail delivery set to a PST file? On 07/25/03 14:39, Steve Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We are having a strange problem with one user's (we'll call her User A) calendar and specifically with meeting requests. Here is the scenario: 1) User A sends invitation to User B for a meeting. 2) User B accepts invitation. 3) A short while later (the time varies), User A will receive a meeting cancellation of that meeting. 4) A check of User B's Sent Items folder shows a cancellation even though they never issued the cancellation. This has happened to User A at least a half-dozen times, and is not with any specific recipient. Also, they have been able to send many other successful meeting requests. This is on Exchange 2000 SP3 with Outlook 2002 on an all Windows 2000 network. Also, this is not happening to other users. Here's some of what I've tried so far: 1) I've checked the recipients' workstations for any auto-cancel rules and found none. 2) I've scanned the workstation for viruses and found none. 3) Searched MS's knowledgebase and read anything I could find on canceled meetings. 4) Tried starting Outlook with the /celanfreebusy and /cleanreminders switches. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Export of Global Address List E2K
You can copy the LDAP query that is used to generate the global address list (assuming you are talking about the default) it is: ( (mailnickname=*) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(!(homeMDB=*))(!(msExchHomeServerName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(|(homeMDB=*)(msExchHomeServerName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact))(objectCategory=group)(objectCategory=publicFolder) )) Just use this query with a command line LDAP tool like LDIFDE. It would go something like this: ldifde.exe -s yourADservername -d dc=yourdomain,dc=com -r ( (mailnickname=*) (| ((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(!(homeMDB=*))(!(msExchHomeServerName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=user)(|(homeMDB=*)(msExchHomeServerName=*)))((objectCategory=person)(objectClass=contact))(objectCategory=group)(objectCategory=publicFolder) )) -f output.ldf -l displayname This would query your AD server for all entries that would be in the GAL and dump the returned objects DN and their displayname. Enjoy, Steve I am trying to export a list of all my users that have an active mailbox that is visable with the GAL. Is there a tool or resource that could assist. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT - Beta EntourageX v10.1.4
Ditto... Particularly if this is the integration of Entourage to use an Exchange server properly! themolk. -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 1:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions I'd be interested in hearing about it as well... -Original Message- From: Stephens, Tara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT - Beta EntourageX v10.1.4 Anybody trying to work with this yet? Please email offlist. Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reccomended Black Lists
If you are using Sendmail as your message relay you could use greylisting. I have seen it work very well in a number of places...even large shops. http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Brasslett Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Reccomended Black Lists Hi all, I'm planning to install spam blocking software soon and I was wonder what mailhost black lists you all recommend. Thanks. Aaron _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RUS not working to child domain?
Joe, When you restart the SA are there any errors generated? If the RUS is going to spit out any initialization errors...this is when you would see them (learned this the hard way when I put a RUS on a mailbox server that also hosted over 5000 mailboxes a year or so ago). Initialization errors tend to only occur when the SA is started (a reason to not put a RUS on a mailbox server). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RUS not working to child domain? Neil, Thanks for the quick rundown, but none of those appear to be the problem: 1. All DC's listed in RUS are available from the Exchange server. No problem with connectivity either by FQDN or short name (netbios name). 2. I've checked all the way to the individual object in AD. Exchange Enterprise Servers have permissions to the users in question. The Exchange Server in question is part of the Exchange Enterprise Servers. 3. No third party address generators are installed. No event errors in the event log with logging set to max. 4. No problems with Dist. lists with hidden membership. Again, no errors in the event log. And the hunt continues... Thanks though. Joe Pochedley Weiler's Law - Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RUS not working to child domain? 4 commons ways RUS can break are below. They may not all be appropriate to you, but I've cut pasted them from a word doc of mine. :-) 1) RUS configuration references a deleted DC or E2K server, or the servers defined in RUS configuration are flakey at best. Browse both entries and choose alternates, if available. 2) Inheritable permissions are removed on an OU and the RUS is no longer able to reach the objects within it. (Q297124) 3) RUS is unable to generate email addresses because it is unable to locate a third party email address generator (DLL file). This can occur in mixed environments where an Exchange 5.5 server had fax software or the like installed. Exchange 2000 builds its recipient policies based on Ex55 site addressing (which includes the third party address). Since the DLL does not exist on the E2K server used by the RUS, the RUS will fire Event IDs 2035, 2037, and 2027 if MSExchangeAL logging is set to max. (Q286356) 4) If the RUS encounters a distribution list that has its membership hidden, it will not be able to stamp it with mail attributes and will go to sleep. (Q287137) Neil -Original Message- From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 25 July 2003 15:32 Posted To: Swynk Exchange List Conversation: RUS not working to child domain? Subject: RE: RUS not working to child domain? Chris, Thanks for the suggestion. Tried it this morning and Domainprep ran quite quickly (much more quickly than I've ever seen it run when truly prepping a domain for the first time)... Unfortunately the problem persists. Further suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Joe Pochedley Weiler's Law - Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RUS not working to child domain? Might try rerunning domainprep as well in that domain... Don't think it would hurt anything anyway. On 07/24/03 14:41, Joe Pochedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind ladies and gentlemen, once again I come forth seeking your assistance... A number of months ago we began integrating the systems of a company we purchased with our own. As part of the consolidation we added their network to our existing AD as a child domain. We consolidated email servers to a single server. Adding Exchange mailboxes for their child domain accounts went smoothly. Once the RUS to their child domain was added, all the information replicated to the GAL just as I expected and they had live mailboxes... Now, for some reason RUS no longer appears to be working properly with the child domain... Changes to accounts (spelling changes in names for instance) aren't reflected in the GAL and new accounts in the child domain never appear in the GAL. RUS appears to be working fine within the main domain though. I've tried to force an update and a rebuild in RUS, neither of which made a difference. I've turned logging for MSExchangeAL (LDAP, Service Control, and Address Book Synch) to Max, but I don't see any failures or warnings (just a lot of informational messages which I've perused but can't discern anything that looks like a problem). I've verified connectivity to the remote child DC which is configured in the RUS (MSKB 294222) by both short name and FQDN. I even tried
Strange calendar problems - Exchange 2000, Outlook 2002
Hello, We are having a strange problem with one user's (we'll call her User A) calendar and specifically with meeting requests. Here is the scenario: 1) User A sends invitation to User B for a meeting. 2) User B accepts invitation. 3) A short while later (the time varies), User A will receive a meeting cancellation of that meeting. 4) A check of User B's Sent Items folder shows a cancellation even though they never issued the cancellation. This has happened to User A at least a half-dozen times, and is not with any specific recipient. Also, they have been able to send many other successful meeting requests. This is on Exchange 2000 SP3 with Outlook 2002 on an all Windows 2000 network. Also, this is not happening to other users. Here's some of what I've tried so far: 1) I've checked the recipients' workstations for any auto-cancel rules and found none. 2) I've scanned the workstation for viruses and found none. 3) Searched MS's knowledgebase and read anything I could find on canceled meetings. 4) Tried starting Outlook with the /celanfreebusy and /cleanreminders switches. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! Steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side
Open ESM and browse to the SMTP VS of the server that receives inbound SMTP (or the SMTP VS to which you want the filter to be applied to) and open the properties of the SMTP VS. On the General Tab, next to the IP address: field there is an Advanced button. Click that and then select the network interface you want to apply the filter to (if there is no specific IP defined then you will see All Unassigned). Select that and click Edit and presto..you have a small and obscure check box that says Apply Filter. Enjoy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hague, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side I dont see how to enable or disable the filter on the SMTP virtual server - Exch2K, SP3. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jeff Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side Be sure to enable the filter on the SMTP virtual server Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johansson Patrick Posted At: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:19 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side Subject: RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side Open exchange system manager, open global settings and right click on message delivery and choose properties. You should see a tab called filtering and you can then add the sender there. Hth, Patrick -Original Message- From: Rui Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. heinäkuuta 2003 13:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side OPS, sorry. Exchange 2000 Server + SP3 The clients are using Outlook 2000 and XP. -Original Message- From: Johansson Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side What version of exchange are you using? -Patrick -Original Message- From: Rui Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. heinäkuuta 2003 13:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: HOWTO: Block messages at server-side Hi all I would like to block messages from someone at server-side (Exchange). I tried to use an Outlook Rule to permanently delete messages from someone, but this kind of rule is a client-only rule. Is there another way I can do this? I just want to stop receiving annoying messages from someone without receiving them in Outlook. Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: EMail Stamp Request for {RE: Help -- Login Scripts !!!}
I know we discussed this at length before - I posted to the NT/2000
list, and got this back (first time). To say that I am not happy that
someone on the list is sending these to people on the lists is an
understatement.
Can we not bump this user? Where do they get off sending something like
this??
I am just angry...
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 8:14 AM
To: Steve Molkentin
Subject: Re: EMail Stamp Request for {RE: Help -- Login Scripts !!!}
I use EMail Stamps to curb the flow of unwanted junk e-mail. Your
message has been queued for delivery. If you would like your message
delivered to my InBox, it will cost you $300.00.
This modest sum is enough to keep unwanted junk e-mail from flooding my
account. This e-mail was sent to you only because you contacted me by
e-mail. Thank you for your understanding.
If you choose not to pay, I completely understand, and I respect your
decision.
If your message is important, and you choose to pay $300.00 to allow
your e-mail through, the message will be automatically sent once PayPal
informs me that the payment has been made. There is no need to send the
message again.
You can pay me securely by PayPal with Visa, Mastercard, Discover or
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RE: EMail Stamp Request for {RE: Help -- Login Scripts !!!}
Missy,
In retrospect, I agree with you. Who thinks they can charge $300 to get
you to read an e-mail!! ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] the size of boulders...
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 8:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
LOL. I think it's hysterical.
- Original Message -
From: Steve Molkentin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: FW: EMail Stamp Request for {RE: Help -- Login Scripts !!!}
I know we discussed this at length before - I posted to the
NT/2000 list, and got this back (first time). To say that I
am not happy that someone on the list is sending these to
people on the lists is an understatement.
Can we not bump this user? Where do they get off sending
something like this??
I am just angry...
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 8:14 AM
To: Steve Molkentin
Subject: Re: EMail Stamp Request for {RE: Help -- Login Scripts !!!}
I use EMail Stamps to curb the flow of unwanted junk e-mail.
Your message has been queued for delivery. If you would like
your message delivered to my InBox, it will cost you $300.00.
This modest sum is enough to keep unwanted junk e-mail from
flooding my account. This e-mail was sent to you only because
you contacted me by e-mail. Thank you for your understanding.
If you choose not to pay, I completely understand, and I
respect your decision.
If your message is important, and you choose to pay $300.00
to allow your e-mail through, the message will be
automatically sent once PayPal informs me that the payment
has been made. There is no need to send the message again.
You can pay me securely by PayPal with Visa, Mastercard,
Discover or American Express. If you do not have a PayPal
account, you can sign up for one at no cost.
Sign up for PayPal
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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet
My take on this is that it sounds like the minimum requirement is end to end secure connection over the Internet (as Andrey pointed out)...which does sound like a TLS candidate. The problem with using PGP or the like is that you then rely on the customer (client) to encrypt the email. If the requirement is that all transactions are encrypted then at least TLS enforces a secure transmission between two gateways. But I would also implement actual message encryption as well (again..PGP or the like). So in the best case, you have an encrypted message traveling over a secure channel (public channel that is...this doesn't address what happens to the message while it is on its way to gatewayA and what happens to the message once it leaves gatewayB). The worst case is that a client forgets to encrypt the email, but it is still transmitted over a secure channel (thus still meeting the requirement to transmit it securely over the Internet). Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet Ok I suggested it. Because from what I read, they want to always send mail to the same destination in a secure way (We want to send reports to the State that contain information about our students) In order to use PKI encryption, they would have to ask the recipient to obtain a certificate first, then get the recipient's public key from a digitally signed message, then always remember to encrypt individual messages. With TLS, you set it up once and then start sending e-mail - the server does the job of encrypting the transmission every time. If I had to send encrypted mail to many different destinations, I would sure go with PKI or maybe PGP. But when you are targeting the same place all the time, why not TLS? -Original Message- From: Johansson Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little over excited using technology we don't really have to use. Well, just my 5 cents. -Patrick -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 19:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support it, TLS is an option. Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG. www.gnupg.org Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet Exchange 5.5 sp4 Windows 2000 Advanced Server Outlook 2000 and XP clients Hello All. I work for a school district in Michigan. We want to send reports to the State that contain information about our students. The information contained in the email attachments must remain confidential and private. Therefore, I need to provide a secure way of sending reports/attachments via email over the Internet. Any ideas or comments would be greatly appreciated. SSL only provides secure logonsright??? Thanks for any help. Samantha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k
Is NetBIOS still enabled on the LAN connection facing the clients? -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 July 2003 15:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k Go into your OUTLOOK client and change the connection from the DNS name to the IP Address and see if you can make a connection that way. Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life! http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=b4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68 -Original Message- From: Lynne July [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k Your original message indicated that you restarted the servers. Do you have multiple Exchange servers, all with the same issue? -Original Message- From: Todd Boynton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k Nothing indicating that it is not ok. I can't believe this is happening today. This sucks Global Catalog ok ? - Original Message - From: Todd Boynton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k There's nothing obvious in the event log. I've also turning on a dianostic logging to maximum. Yes I can rpcping the server. - Original Message - From: Missy Koslosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k Anything in the event logs? Can you use rpcping to reach the server from the desktop? - Original Message - From: Todd Boynton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Help. Can't connect to Exchange2k Just started this morning. When people try to connect to the exchange server (2000, sp3) they get the message saying Microsoft Exchange Server is unavailable. IMAP, HTTP, and POP3 work great. None of the services are complaining and I can't figure out what the problem is. Just for the heck of it (I'm getting desperate) I restarted the servers. Still have the same problem. Please give me some advice. Thanks Todd Boynton _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . --- Information in this email may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all
RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging
Why not store the voice mail messages in public folders (each person gets their own of course) that live on a dedicated pf store for vm and set a different type of backup schedule for that pf store? You could also set up the folders so that they delete any messages in the folders that are over say 2 weeks (or whatever is required). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Hmmm.. You've got some interesting lawyers then... Anyway, why not script something like ExMerge or the Mailbox Cleanup agent to delete all VM's older than XX days? I'd also suggest getting a clarification of longer than needed from the attorneys. That's vague, even from a lawyer! -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Wendel, Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Unified Messaging Roger and others, We're the largest utility in the Pacific Northwest. We have a high legal profile. Per our attorneys, we are not to back up voice messages longer than needed for disaster recovery. If I put them in a second store, I can back that store up just enough (say, 1-2 weeks) for disaster recovery, but not long term, like the years we are required by FERC to keep tapes of our email. What we want to avoid is having to go through or hand over voice mail during legal discovery process. Which we'd have to do if they were backed up as part of the regular email store. But if they're off in their own store, we just don't back up that store (or keep tapes for very long), and there isn't a problem. The problem with doing this, as I said below - is that Cisco's UM doesn't support secondary authentication, so I do what I'd originally planned, which is, make a secondary mailbox for voice and just have people attach to it; it has to be the primary account people are logged in as, or we lose some UM functionality. And I really don't want to write some kludged up event sink based on message class to check if its a voice mail or not, and if not, to rewrite the From line and move the sent message over to the non-voice mail Exchange mailbox. So I'm hoping someone has another idea. Because I'm stuck. Jesse Wendel Sr. Technical Systems Analyst Primary Messaging/DNS Administrator www.pse.com -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Yeah. Back it up as part of the store. What's the big deal? Its going to be backed up anyway, and going to take the same amount of time and space. Why are you making it needlessly complex? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Wendel, Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Unified Messaging I'm trying to figure out how to back up Exchange Servers WITHOUT backing up voice mails placed into Exchange by Cisco's Unified Messaging (UM). I had thought of routing messaging from the UM to a separate store - creating a secondary mailbox for each user - say, John User (juser) and John User - Voice (juser-v) - and grant permissions to juser to access juser-v. Unfortunately, UM is junk software and doesn't support secondary authentication. It requires one to be logged in with the juser-v account. And if I log everyone in as juser-v and let their secondary be juser, then every time they send mail, it isn't in the proper sent items mail box, and it isn't coming from the appropriate address. And obviously people aren't going to use the FROM box and manually move items from the one Sent Items folder to the other. I'm now reduced to speculating about writing code using the event sink, based on the class used by UM, to set where mail goes, and who it is from, but grrr, what a kludge. So I don't know what to do. Any ideas? Jesse Wendel Sr. Technical Systems Analyst Primary Messaging/DNS Administrator www.pse.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget
RE: Outlook/Exchange/VPN connectivity problem
Could not hurt to verify that RPC is working correctly using something like rpings. You could also configured a client that is normally having problems to used IMAP or POP and see if it goes awaycould be the VPN having problems with RPCs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Cundy Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outlook/Exchange/VPN connectivity problem Hi guys, A few users are having an intermittent connectivity problem to Exchange server over a VPN connection. Here's what we're using: Exchange 2000 Sp3, Outlook 2002 Sp2 on the clients. When these users connect to our VPN, they can see/ping everything, including Exchange, but always have problems opening outlook. First they have to set their profile to manually control the connection and force an online connection. Even then they have to hit retry a few times, but it finally connects, although very slowly. I know DNS DNS DNS, but they can ping the Exchange server by name, and I even gave them entries in the HOSTS file for the local (internal VPN) address of the Exchange server... any thoughts here? Its driving me crazy. -W _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging
If you wanted to get all convoluted and all you could make hidden mailboxes that forward to the pfs. Its a lot of work and it would not be pretty..but I bet it would work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendel, Jesse Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Cisco won't authenticate to a PF. It requires a mailbox. -Original Message- From: Presley, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Why not store the voice mail messages in public folders (each person gets their own of course) that live on a dedicated pf store for vm and set a different type of backup schedule for that pf store? You could also set up the folders so that they delete any messages in the folders that are over say 2 weeks (or whatever is required). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Hmmm.. You've got some interesting lawyers then... Anyway, why not script something like ExMerge or the Mailbox Cleanup agent to delete all VM's older than XX days? I'd also suggest getting a clarification of longer than needed from the attorneys. That's vague, even from a lawyer! -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Wendel, Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Unified Messaging Roger and others, We're the largest utility in the Pacific Northwest. We have a high legal profile. Per our attorneys, we are not to back up voice messages longer than needed for disaster recovery. If I put them in a second store, I can back that store up just enough (say, 1-2 weeks) for disaster recovery, but not long term, like the years we are required by FERC to keep tapes of our email. What we want to avoid is having to go through or hand over voice mail during legal discovery process. Which we'd have to do if they were backed up as part of the regular email store. But if they're off in their own store, we just don't back up that store (or keep tapes for very long), and there isn't a problem. The problem with doing this, as I said below - is that Cisco's UM doesn't support secondary authentication, so I do what I'd originally planned, which is, make a secondary mailbox for voice and just have people attach to it; it has to be the primary account people are logged in as, or we lose some UM functionality. And I really don't want to write some kludged up event sink based on message class to check if its a voice mail or not, and if not, to rewrite the From line and move the sent message over to the non-voice mail Exchange mailbox. So I'm hoping someone has another idea. Because I'm stuck. Jesse Wendel Sr. Technical Systems Analyst Primary Messaging/DNS Administrator www.pse.com -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Uni fied Messaging Yeah. Back it up as part of the store. What's the big deal? Its going to be backed up anyway, and going to take the same amount of time and space. Why are you making it needlessly complex? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Wendel, Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Back up Exchange WITHOUT backing up voice mail from Cisco Unified Messaging I'm trying to figure out how to back up Exchange Servers WITHOUT backing up voice mails placed into Exchange by Cisco's Unified Messaging (UM). I had thought of routing messaging from the UM to a separate store - creating a secondary mailbox for each user - say, John User (juser) and John User - Voice (juser-v) - and grant permissions to juser to access juser-v. Unfortunately, UM is junk software and doesn't support secondary authentication. It requires one to be logged in with the juser-v account. And if I log everyone in as juser-v and let their secondary be juser, then every time they send mail, it isn't in the proper sent items mail box, and it isn't coming from
Mail enabled public folder
Gurus, Ex2K - Native mode I have a mail enabled public folder (calendar) for a meeting room that I can e-mail when booking a meeting to ensure it is booked. This works, however it only tentatively accepts the meeting request. Some questions: - Can (and how, if so) can I get it to auto accept meeting requests? - Can (and how, if so) can I have the meetings it has already booked in show in the Free/Busy grid that displays when I select other users? - Can (and how, if so) can I get it to delete the appointment if I send a cancel meeting request? I am happy to be pointed to somewhere the KB - I have spent some time looking there, however MS have done something to their support site and every new page I get up asks me to debug. All help graciously appreciated... themolk. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up
Norbu Can you connect if you manually dial using dial-up networking to the local ISP, then use Outlook [in case it is an Outlook-DUN interconnection problem]? Cheers Steve -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 July 2003 12:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up Norbu S*** - line breaks didn't work Enter : user YourUserName ENTER pass YourPassword ENTER list ENTER Freddie -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 13:37 To: Exchange Discussions Norbu (your real name ?) :) telnet to the mailserver on port 110 When it says POP3 server ready stuff, enter user YourUserName pass YourPassword list (Needless to say replace YourUserName and YourPasword with your actual data) See how far you get - if it lists a lot you should have no problem from outlook unless your pst file is very large (2GB) or you have thousands of mails in your mailbox and activated 'leave messages on the server'. Then it can hang like this Freddie _ Freddie Soerensen Conares Metal Supply Limited Tel : +423 235 5040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.conares.com Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more user-friendly... Their best approach, so far, has been to take all the old brochures, and stamp the words, 'user-friendly' on the cover.- Bill Gates. -Original Message- From: Tshering NORBU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 13:08 To: Exchange Discussions Steve, OK, am using my name now :) The exchange server is not behind a firewall. Freddie, From remote, I cannot telnet to mail server without specifying ports 25 or 110. NORBU (The BOYZ) - Original Message - From: Knight, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up Boyz [do any of you have a real name?] Is the exchange server behind a firewall, preventing access via the internet? Steve -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 13:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up Try to log in to the POP3 server with telnet and list the messages -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 13:59 To: Exchange Discussions with port 25, I get: MS Exchange Internet Mail service **version** ready With port 110: MS Exchange Server POP3 server **version** ready BOYZ On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:42:35 +0200 Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens if you try to telnet to the mailserver on port 25 and 110 ? -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 13:33 To: Exchange Discussions There is no error message, the status of 'checking and sending messages' goes forever and there is nothing happening. BOYZ On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:26:21 +0200 Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the error message(s) you are receiving ? -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 12:58 To: Exchange Discussions Hello list, On the LAN where there is mail server and on Dial-up connection to the server, all my (Internet E-mail) mails work fine. But when I dial-up to the local ISP, the mails sending / receiving do not work at all. No mail can be sent out nor can be received even after I choose the connection manually to the local ISP dial-up from the choices. What would be wrong. Please advice. The BOYZ. +++ Get a free DrukNet e-mail account and stay in touch http://www.druknet.bt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange; text_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up
Boyz [do any of you have a real name?] Is the exchange server behind a firewall, preventing access via the internet? Steve -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 13:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet E-mail on dial-up Try to log in to the POP3 server with telnet and list the messages -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 13:59 To: Exchange Discussions with port 25, I get: MS Exchange Internet Mail service **version** ready With port 110: MS Exchange Server POP3 server **version** ready BOYZ On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:42:35 +0200 Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens if you try to telnet to the mailserver on port 25 and 110 ? -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 13:33 To: Exchange Discussions There is no error message, the status of 'checking and sending messages' goes forever and there is nothing happening. BOYZ On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:26:21 +0200 Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the error message(s) you are receiving ? -Original Message- From: The BOYZ from BHUTAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 12:58 To: Exchange Discussions Hello list, On the LAN where there is mail server and on Dial-up connection to the server, all my (Internet E-mail) mails work fine. But when I dial-up to the local ISP, the mails sending / receiving do not work at all. No mail can be sent out nor can be received even after I choose the connection manually to the local ISP dial-up from the choices. What would be wrong. Please advice. The BOYZ. +++ Get a free DrukNet e-mail account and stay in touch http://www.druknet.bt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange; text_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ Get a free DrukNet e-mail account and stay in touch http://www.druknet.bt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange; text_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ Get a free DrukNet e-mail account and stay in touch http://www.druknet.bt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . --- Information in this email may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks
bridgehead/smtp best practices?
I seem to be involved in a bit of philosophical debate and want to get opinions from the field on this. Basically, I have some service mailboxes that I would prefer not to run on regular mailbox servers. These particular mailboxes do not hold any email, they are simply needed for the cirictal operation of exchange dependant third party services (like a peice of monitoring software that needs its own mailbox). They pose no risk to any server and do not need special attention. I feel better if they reside on infrastructure servers such as bridgeheads or smtp gateways since these servers tend to have less problems than regular mailbox servers do (as far as is's stopping or mailbox servers needing to be rebooted more often and then large transaction logs replaying that contribute to a longer down time for these services that rely on the mailbox). What do you guys/gals feel about this? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
Nope - that's just Andy. Up there with Martin Ed as far as I am
concerned when it comes to knowing their stuff.
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 8:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
Oh man, you must keep that RFC next to your mouse! Or have
you remembered it word for word?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy
Sent: 02 July 2003 23:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
+ is a perfectly valid SMTP character as defined by the
specification in RFC2821 of atext as the fundamental atom
of the local part of the address and then definition of atext
in RFC2822 (3.2.4) as containing: ALPHA / DIGIT / ! / # /
$ / % / / ' / * / + / - / / / = / ? /
^ / _ / ` / { / | / } / ~
The + character in some mailers indicates a special
function, but only during local delivery, not routing.
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-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:57 PM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
Subject: Re: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
A + has no business in an SMTP address. Exchange 200x
should not even let you create that.
William
- Original Message -
From: Douglas, Josh D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: Exchange 2000 invalid characters
Group,
we are about to migrate to Exchange 2000 using the move mailbox
method.
I'm a little confused on the invalid characters situation.
Everything
that
I've researched says that it is just at the organization and site
name. We
have a consultant that says it is everywhere, account names,
mailboxes,
dl's. We did have an at our organization level and my boss is
worried
about the + sign in our dl's. I have not been able to find
anything on
the
web that mentions anything other than organization and site name.
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Josh Douglas
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RE: Winmail.dat
Carmila, It's the international dateline - every time you send an e-mail to a group across it, it attaches the winmail.dat file so that when it is opened, it is read in the local time zone (and reflects that).[1] themolk. [1] Complete BS - but I couldn't help but throw it out there. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Winmail.dat Some of my users are getting the winmail.dat attachments. The messages are coming from users in our Australian office. We're running Exchange 2000 SP3 on both servers, same Org, still on mixed mode. The users in both offices are all running Outlook XP. The weird thing is it's intermittent and it only seems to happen when it's sent to a distribution list. I've been searching on the web and a lot of the articles point to sending from exchange to a non-exchange mail server or sending to a non-Outlook client. Any ideas? Thanks, Carmila This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winmail.dat
July 1 is like April 1... Is like any day I can try pulling a joke on any user! ;) You'd be amazed how many admins fell for that when I suggested it on another list (albeit not an exchange one). V. funny. Interested to see what the resolution is - I've never heard of the problem. themolk. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2003 10:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Winmail.dat I would've fallen for it if I didn't know better. Maybe I can try telling my users that and see if they buy it. :) -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 5:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Carmila, It's the international dateline - every time you send an e-mail to a group across it, it attaches the winmail.dat file so that when it is opened, it is read in the local time zone (and reflects that).[1] themolk. [1] Complete BS - but I couldn't help but throw it out there. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Winmail.dat Some of my users are getting the winmail.dat attachments. The messages are coming from users in our Australian office. We're running Exchange 2000 SP3 on both servers, same Org, still on mixed mode. The users in both offices are all running Outlook XP. The weird thing is it's intermittent and it only seems to happen when it's sent to a distribution list. I've been searching on the web and a lot of the articles point to sending from exchange to a non-exchange mail server or sending to a non-Outlook client. Any ideas? Thanks, Carmila This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how to cut down on spam
You forgot one... Tupperware = 100% themolk. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 June 2003 1:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Death and Taxes = 100% -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Nothing in life is ever 100%. I would be worried about any company that claimed their product worked 100% of the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam edoxs blocks 0% legitimate messages because they verify all entries in their filter are spam. Regards, Orin -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Well, you can set up the spamfilter to quarantine the filtered messages for later review and if there should be a legitimate message it can be retrieved. I don't think there are any spamfilters which blocks 100% spam and 0% legitimate messages. Freddie -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 25. Juni 2003 16:46 To: Exchange Discussions Has anyone heard or used the surf control product. It seems much more expensive than logstat ISP or XWALL. Can anyone mention any differences? We definitely don't want to block real customers from sending us email--just the spam. --- Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you want to take a look at this : http://www.logsat.com/SpamFilter/default.asp It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 23:38 To: Exchange Discussions Hi all... We are running Exchange 5.5 and as most of you we receive a lot of spam in the company. My company does not want to buy any spam sofware as it cost a lot of money. Is there anything built into exchange that will help reduce the spam? Is there anything that could be done on the Outlook Client that will reduce the spam? We are also running GroupShield. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: how to cut down on spam
Peter, That said, the latest on the Spammunition website is to suggest he is changing the logic so that there is no need to manually rescan. I agree the errors are frustrating - but the product is not bad for free for a client. themolk. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 3:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Spammunition filters very well, though you have to maintain a good collection of spam for it to use in building its rules. It just pops up error screens every once in a while. It also doesn't deal well with Inboxes containing lots of unread messages, as it rescans all of them whenever something new comes in, increasing the frequency of the aforementioned error screens. -Peter -Original Message- From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Can you elaborate flakey? They are hit or miss on filtering or the crash Outlook -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam There are a couple of free Bayesian spam filters that work with Outlook in an Exchange environment, Spammunition and SpamBayes. They're both beta at this point so they're kind of flakey, but Spammunition, the one I'm using right now, is quite effective. If you have individuals who are really getting hammered and need immediate relief, one or the other may help. -Peter -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Has anyone heard or used the surf control product. It seems much more expensive than logstat ISP or XWALL. Can anyone mention any differences? We definitely don't want to block real customers from sending us email--just the spam. --- Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you want to take a look at this : http://www.logsat.com/SpamFilter/default.asp It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 23:38 To: Exchange Discussions Hi all... We are running Exchange 5.5 and as most of you we receive a lot of spam in the company. My company does not want to buy any spam sofware as it cost a lot of money. Is there anything built into exchange that will help reduce the spam? Is there anything that could be done on the Outlook Client that will reduce the spam? We are also running GroupShield. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To
RE: Configuration Settings
Raji, From my memory, the outlook bar shortcuts are stored in the user's profile (in application data local settings (I think)). To specify a folder to start up in, go to: Tools Options Other Advanced options - but I think it only allows to specify the big 7 (inbox, calendar, etc). I hope that helps. Good showing in the Rugby on Saturday... We are looking pretty sad for the Bledisloe and Tri-Nations at the moment! ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Raji Arulambalam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Configuration Settings Hi In Outlook if I create a folder under Outlook Today and put it in the Outlook Shortcuts, where is this setting kept ?? In Exchange server or in the local registry.? Also how can I specify this folder as the startup folder when Outlook starts.?? Using Exchange Server 5.5 , soon to upgrade to Exchange 2k Could you tell me where these settings are kept, as we need to deploy this to all our users. Thanks Email disclaimer: This email and any attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. If you receive this message in error, please let us know by return email and then destroy the message. Environment Bay of Plenty is not responsible for any changes made to this message and/or any attachments after sending. ** This e-mail has been checked for viruses and no viruses were detected. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
5.5 on a WIN2000 Server
Currently running Exchange 5.5 on a Win NT 4.0 Server. Have just purchased a new Hardware platform for it. Compaq DL380 G3. Want to build the new server running WIN2000, but still want to remain using Exchange 5.5. I know 5.5 will run on 2000 but my dilema is that I want to build the new box exactly the same as the old one. As in same Server Name, same org, site name etc...Is this going to be possible? Also will need to get all the current data from the old server onto the new server. Can anyone help out or point me in the direction for some online documentation? Thanks for your help. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Brick level backups
Why not put a link as the disclaimer? E.g.: signature Steve Molkentin BSES Phone, fax,etc http://www.bses.org.au/legal.html (there is no link here, just an example) /signature I just thought this might save 50 lines of crap in an e-mail... The person has been made aware of the legality of the document through the link... What do you think? Pointless? Saves rubbish in e-mails! ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 11:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's ok some company will make a 3rd party app I am sure, that will force you to read or click ok before you actually get to see the email. Hopefully that won't happen. Probably has just haven't seen it yet. From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:46 +0100 1: Nobody ever reads them 2: Nobody ever reads them 3: People read the message, and forget to read the disclaimer 4: go to 1 Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups You have one like this for disclaimers. I know the basics why not. I would like to see your reasons of why disclaimers are bad. From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:19:25 -0700 I probably should reread this, but thwas my answer to this question A year ago - plus an added point. Why not to do Brick Level Backups: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all
RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in both, so people must speak it. Should we not then make disclaimers available in these languages too? themolk. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers About a billion people on this planet speak Chinese ... going to included that as well ? I like the fact you are going to add Dutch to the disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population speaks and understands English very well. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might not be online when they read the message. We thought of using Latin since most of the legal team know that. Esperanto is a bit too leading edge. -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers *Has* anyone tested email disclaimers in the courts in the UK, EU or US? I'm not aware of any cases. I do find it ironic that lawyers, who knowingly write in a way that most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the disclaimer should be written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's all Greek to me. Or double-Dutch. Perhaps your disclaimer could consist of Legal disclaimer - you must read this in every relevant language, each linked to a web page which contains the text in that language. Or write it in Esperanto. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its
RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Scott, and others, I totally get your point, and to some degree agree. An interesting addition... The Australian federal govt recently (last year) passed legislation to say that it is illegal to forward and e-mail without the authors express permission. Thus, a whole NEW addition to the disclaimer in Australia is popping up, saying that the author DOES NOT give permission for the e-mail to be forwarded. I think, whether we like it or not, the disclaimer is here to stay... It is how we as Admins manage it. My additional $0.02 (inc GST). themolk. -Original Message- From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Well I am not a legal speagle by any means, but the disclaimer issue it bad joke. The true responsibility of who the message went to is in the hands of the sender. If the message was addressed correctly then the need for disclaimers would be a non-issue. Sorry I watched this thread long enough that I had to put my two cents in there. I find it hard that anyone should accept the burden of responsibility for receiving an electronic message that was sent to them by mistake. And those disclaimers that try to shift the burden of responiblity from the shoulders of the sender to the reciever are a sad attempt at just that. -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in both, so people must speak it. Should we not then make disclaimers available in these languages too? themolk. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers About a billion people on this planet speak Chinese ... going to included that as well ? I like the fact you are going to add Dutch to the disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population speaks and understands English very well. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might not be online when they read the message. We thought of using Latin since most of the legal team know that. Esperanto is a bit too leading edge. -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers *Has* anyone tested email disclaimers in the courts in the UK, EU or US? I'm not aware of any cases. I do find it ironic that lawyers, who knowingly write in a way that most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the disclaimer should be written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's all Greek to me. Or double-Dutch. Perhaps your disclaimer could consist of Legal disclaimer - you must read this in every relevant language, each linked to a web page which contains the text in that language. Or write it in Esperanto. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware
RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Ben, I agree... Sadly, due to all the legal eagles rubbing their hands in glee over more work, and the fact that unless you tell someone not to, independent of the law, they can get away with it somehow, it's been stated that you have to tell them that they do not have permission to forward. sigh... I am looking forward to seeing any prosecutions out of it too... I guess it is designed to protect people like that whole thing in the UK with that lawyer talking about the taste of her boyfriend's... Umm... I don't think I need to complete that sentence. You know what I mean. Most legislation re: IT in Australia is knee-jerk at best. For example, they are currently discussing the legality of making spam illegal - but whose problem is it (ISP, sender, etc, etc, etc). But I think that all this is a whole other thread. themolk. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Seems like that disclaimer (I do not give permission to forward) would be unnecessary. If the law requires express permission then the absence of any disclaimer wouldn't constitute permission and thus unless the message specifically said I *DO* give permission to forward it would be illegal to forward it. I'll be curious to know how many people they actually get prosecuted under this law. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 13:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Scott, and others, I totally get your point, and to some degree agree. An interesting addition... The Australian federal govt recently (last year) passed legislation to say that it is illegal to forward and e-mail without the authors express permission. Thus, a whole NEW addition to the disclaimer in Australia is popping up, saying that the author DOES NOT give permission for the e-mail to be forwarded. I think, whether we like it or not, the disclaimer is here to stay... It is how we as Admins manage it. My additional $0.02 (inc GST). themolk. -Original Message- From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Well I am not a legal speagle by any means, but the disclaimer issue it bad joke. The true responsibility of who the message went to is in the hands of the sender. If the message was addressed correctly then the need for disclaimers would be a non-issue. Sorry I watched this thread long enough that I had to put my two cents in there. I find it hard that anyone should accept the burden of responsibility for receiving an electronic message that was sent to them by mistake. And those disclaimers that try to shift the burden of responiblity from the shoulders of the sender to the reciever are a sad attempt at just that. -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in both, so people must speak it. Should we not then make disclaimers available in these languages too? themolk. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers About a billion people on this planet speak Chinese ... going to included that as well ? I like the fact you are going to add Dutch to the disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population speaks and understands English very well. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might not be online when they read the message
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RE: MS Purchase
Ex2K3 sp1 ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: MS Purchase totally unrelated but MS just bought RAV anti virus . . . Any predicitions on how long until we see MS AV client/server or MS AV for Exchange? :) This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Purchase
Sorry william - rtm? Not read the manual? themolk. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 8:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: MS Purchase Exchange 2000 RTM. - Original Message - From: Steve Molkentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: RE: MS Purchase Ex2K3 sp1 ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: MS Purchase totally unrelated but MS just bought RAV anti virus . . . Any predicitions on how long until we see MS AV client/server or MS AV for Exchange? :) This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
