RE: Unread message count
Thanks Steve for the suggestion. Yesterday evening, I closed her Outlook and restarted it in the safe mode once and then started Outlook normally and it was fine. Probably it has to also do with her mailbox size. I know it sounds crazy but she has a MB size of 9 GB. Probably that could also be the reason why Outlook was not rendering proper views. Best regards Anil From: Steve Szabo [mailto:steve...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Unread message count I know that with Outlook PST files, when a PST is exported to a new PST file, sometimes, even just moved, the rules fail to work as intended. Deleting the old rule and recreating it will resolve this issue. Have your user try this for a couple of their rules, and see if the situation improves. If so, the other affected rules will need to be recreated. \\Steve// From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:a.han...@akbank.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Unread message count Dear List, Hello to everyone. This is my first post to this list. I have a user who is using Outlook 2007 (non cached mode) connecting to Exchange 2007 server. Last weekend I moved her mailbox from Exchange 2000 to 2007, since then the unread message count in various folders (Under her inbox) is not being refreshed. This user has defined rules which moves the mails to their respective folders. Can someone have any pointers to fix this issue? It is something to do with the views but am just not able to fix it. Thanks in advance, Anil From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Group policy Junk email settings Then the option to set Overwrite or Append does not work? Thanks, Jake Gardner TTC Network Administrator Ext. 246 From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Group policy Junk email settings Overwritten, unfortunately. From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Group policy Junk email settings Does anybody know if I set the safe-senders list via a GPO will users current lists be overwritten or appended to? Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003 Thanks, Jake Gardner TTC Network Administrator Ext. 246 ***Teletronics Technology Corporation*** This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee or authorized by the addressee to receive this e-mail, you may not disclose, copy, distribute, or use this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 267-352-2020 and destroy this message and any copies. Thank you. *** _ This inbound message from KPN has been checked for all known viruses by KPN IV-Scan, powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit: http://www.veiliginternet.nl _ ***Teletronics Technology Corporation*** This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee or authorized by the addressee to receive this e-mail, you may not disclose, copy, distribute, or use this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 267-352-2020 and destroy this message and any copies. Thank you. *** _ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. Akbank N.V. (including its group companies)shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. Akbank N.V. (or its group companies)does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. This outbound message has been checked for all known viruses by KPN IV-Scan, powered by MessageLabs. _ This inbound message from KPN has been checked for all known viruses by KPN IV-Scan,
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Can some one remove me from this list?
Actually OLK 2007 isn't needed, you can set this through OWA. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud - Original Message - From: Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Mar 05 10:30:08 2009 Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can someone remove me from this list?
True. OWA 2007 is almost as good as the real thing. Actually better when you consider the ability to make files available without needing a VPN connection. TVK -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Actually OLK 2007 isn't needed, you can set this through OWA. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud - Original Message - From: Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Mar 05 10:30:08 2009 Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
Then blame the MUA for not doing something useful with the headers. :-) Yea, it's only been an Internet standard for *shocker* 11 years now. ;) http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html Would also be nice to filter lists in the standard way (List-Id: header) as well instead of relying on sender (which can change). Gee, that one turns 8 yrs old this month. ;) http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2919.html ~BangerOfTheLetsSupportStandardsDrum ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. That's your opinion; are you certain all the external users share it? ~JasonG ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Ex server name is lower case, when the rest are upper case
I'm bringing up the last ex 2007 server for our infrastructure upgrade and I noticed in the EMC that the server name is all lower case when the rest are upper case. I checked the computer properties on the server and the computer name is in all CAPS. So adsiedit reveals that the following attributes have the name in lower case for both the computer object and the server object in the config partition - CN - DN - Name So my question is, from the anal retentive side of my brain, could I edit those to reflect the case and not break anything or should I go through removing Exchange 2k7 and disjoining rejoin the domain to see if it changes? Anyone know what would cause this? I'm sure I can leave as is, but it will bug the heck out of me looking at the list of servers and seeing this one being off. Thanks for any advice. - John Barsodi ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Can some one remove me from this list?
Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox ... I don't want to have to pay to get my car's muffler fixed. We don't always get what we want. Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? It's Exchange/Outlook. A proper auto-responder would send the OOO notices to the SMTP reverse-path, which is *not* the RFC-822 From: header. Why Microsoft hasn't fixed it in 15 or so years, I have no idea. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Can some one remove me from this list?
Case in point - this list. The following all sent OoO replies to my email, and should be horsewhipped until unconscious, just because they annoy me! :) Andy Shook Cardwell, Dick Michelle Dillard Shih, Henry Knoch, James W Jeremy Phillips Wolfgang Skeries SMREKAR, JACK Le Rouc, Jacques Muncy, Robert Abdulkareem Jama Jonathan Martino On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Only the first one - he's the martyr of the group! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Case in point - this list. The following all sent OoO replies to my email, and should be horsewhipped until unconscious, just because they annoy me! :) Andy Shook Cardwell, Dick Michelle Dillard Shih, Henry Knoch, James W Jeremy Phillips Wolfgang Skeries SMREKAR, JACK Le Rouc, Jacques Muncy, Robert Abdulkareem Jama Jonathan Martino On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) ��You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ �� �� �� �� �� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com wrote: Yea, it's only been an Internet standard for *shocker* 11 years now. ;) http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html Point of order: It's an Internet Request For Comments, in the Standards Track, but is not an Internet Standard (STD); it only has Proposed status. See RFC-1796, Not All RFCs are Standards, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1796, which (appropriately enough) is also not a standard. ;-) Would also be nice to filter lists in the standard way (List-Id: header) ... Indeed. It appears Sunbelt's listserv isn't doing that, either. I dunno if that's a Lyris limitation, or just configuration. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Be careful, your next boss may be reading this list. J John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Hell, most CIOs/CTOs aren't technologically savvy. :^) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Well, all I can say is that Mr. Arod, from Borger, TX isn't exactly living in a burgeoning metropolis of technological activity, primary business in that area is going to be agriculture. Less than 15000 population and in one of the two worst locations (IMNSHO) in Texas. The only reason to drive through Borger, and I have going to New Mexico and/or Colorado, is to get to another location ;) On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to agree with that, but being a president of anything doesn't neccessarily mean they are well-versed in the details that organization's MO. At least thats been true for most of the organizations I have worked with. -- ME2 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: No argument--especially since the subscriber was the president of a technology company. -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Agreed there, but I'd think it was reasonable that some who subscribed to the list would maybe think about going back to where they subscribed and unsubscribe... -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Yeah, I know the instructions are there--but it's not reasonable to expect subscribers to dig through message headers to figure out how to leave the list. That's not a particularly intuitive design. -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:eddy+public+s...@noc.everquick.net mailto:eddy%2bpublic%2bs...@noc.everquick.net ] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? JH From: John Hornbuckle JH To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues JH Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:16:43 -0500 JH Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? JH Thread-Topic: Can some one remove me from this list? JH Thread-Index: AcmcHsOu8HdhJeplRmK/3oVuYwI2GgAD08wg [ much header snippage ] JH List-Unsubscribe: mailto:leave-long_nonce_thingy_remo...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com JH Ideally, every message the list sends out should include removal JH instructions at the bottom. Or the headers. See above. While we're on an ideally note: WHY has Outlook not figured out proper mail threading yet?! Eddy (still using PINE waaay too much after all these years) -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/0xebd DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: dav...@brics.com -*- jfconmaa...@intc.net -*- s...@everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja
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Maybe that's so in your organization. In mine, it's okay. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) ��You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) �� You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ �� �� �� �� �� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ �� �� �� �� �� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj�~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Nin~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj ��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~�� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Nin��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Maybe that's so in your organization. In mine, it's okay. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja�� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja�� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja�� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja�� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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But don't you consider it correct netiquette to not send OOO's to mailing lists? Your benefit is a drawback for me. And not intending to sound like a parent (cause I'm not actually), but just because others do something doesn't mean you have too :) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] - Show quoted text - Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~� ��� � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/N��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam
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Not on tech/professional mailing lists. The email should be seperated if you cant accomplish it with rules. I've been doing this for years. I also use OOO's, but no one here would ever know it. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) � You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ � � � � � � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ � � � � � � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj��� ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja � � � � � � � � ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja � � � � � � � � ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ � http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja � � � � � � � � ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) � You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Nin��~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ �� ���
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It would work just fine in anyone's world. You just aren't comfortable with it. In essence you are making the decision that your peace of mind is more important than any nuisance your OOO's cause others. As far as everyone's doing it, I don't buy it, especially not in this age of people who feel it is completely appropriate to take phone calls in theaters, in the middle of real life conversations, etc. I contend that the LARGE majority of the population today wouldn't know rude behavior if you hit them in the head with it. That all being said, I also don't have an answering machine at home (and haven't for years) because I don't need to know that some telemarketer tried to contact me. Your argument for OOO's to unknown senders is on essence the same thing. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Nin ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
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It's common sense, really - if you're important enough that you receive external emails from customers on a regular basis, your customers are important enough to receive non-automated replies. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:27, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of- office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
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But then all of the eWeek and ComputerWorld subscription servers wouldn't know that I had been up puking all night and wouldn't be back until Monday. ;-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? It's common sense, really - if you're important enough that you receive external emails from customers on a regular basis, your customers are important enough to receive non-automated replies. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:27, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell�� (352) 215-6944 Fa� (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) ��½ You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ��
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And they wouldn't know how to get off of it if they wanted to... :) From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Be careful, your next boss may be reading this list. :) John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Hell, most CIOs/CTOs aren't technologically savvy. :^) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Well, all I can say is that Mr. Arod, from Borger, TX isn't exactly living in a burgeoning metropolis of technological activity, primary business in that area is going to be agriculture. Less than 15000 population and in one of the two worst locations (IMNSHO) in Texas. The only reason to drive through Borger, and I have going to New Mexico and/or Colorado, is to get to another location ;) On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.commailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to agree with that, but being a president of anything doesn't neccessarily mean they are well-versed in the details that organization's MO. At least thats been true for most of the organizations I have worked with. -- ME2 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: No argument--especially since the subscriber was the president of a technology company. -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.commailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Agreed there, but I'd think it was reasonable that some who subscribed to the list would maybe think about going back to where they subscribed and unsubscribe... -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Yeah, I know the instructions are there--but it's not reasonable to expect subscribers to dig through message headers to figure out how to leave the list. That's not a particularly intuitive design. -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:eddy+public+s...@noc.everquick.netmailto:eddy%2bpublic%2bs...@noc.everquick.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? JH From: John Hornbuckle JH To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues JH Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:16:43 -0500 JH Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? JH Thread-Topic: Can some one remove me from this list? JH Thread-Index: AcmcHsOu8HdhJeplRmK/3oVuYwI2GgAD08wg [ much header snippage ] JH List-Unsubscribe: mailto:leave-long_nonce_thingy_remo...@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:leave-long_nonce_thingy_remo...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com JH Ideally, every message the list sends out should include removal JH instructions at the bottom. Or the headers. See above. While we're on an ideally note: WHY has Outlook not figured out proper mail threading yet?! Eddy (still using PINE waaay too much after all these years) -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/0xebd DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: dav...@brics.commailto:dav...@brics.com -*- jfconmaa...@intc.netmailto:jfconmaa...@intc.net -*- s...@everquick.netmailto:s...@everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~
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I use OOO here when I leave the office for more than a day... figure it to be curtious to senders, but make sure that it doesn't get sent to lists like this. ___ Cameron Cooper IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Brilliant Mr. Peck. tyvm -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add- on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cel��� (352) 215-6944 Fa� (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben
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AD won't process a change which is only relative to case. That is, if you change something from all-upper to all-lower (or anything in between), your requested change is ignored. This is a feature, actually. I believe that to get it changed, you'll actually have to delete it (which requires you to remove Exchange first!), remove it from all DNS and WINS servers, including tombstones, rename it to temp, rename it to the desired name, and finally re-add it appropriately to the domain. From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Ex server name is lower case, when the rest are upper case I'm bringing up the last ex 2007 server for our infrastructure upgrade and I noticed in the EMC that the server name is all lower case when the rest are upper case. I checked the computer properties on the server and the computer name is in all CAPS. So adsiedit reveals that the following attributes have the name in lower case for both the computer object and the server object in the config partition - CN - DN - Name So my question is, from the anal retentive side of my brain, could I edit those to reflect the case and not break anything or should I go through removing Exchange 2k7 and disjoining rejoin the domain to see if it changes? Anyone know what would cause this? I'm sure I can leave as is, but it will bug the heck out of me looking at the list of servers and seeing this one being off. Thanks for any advice. - John Barsodi ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Tall cliffsjumping people I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Could you imagine the abuse you'd get if it did? ;-) -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: I use OOO here when I leave the office for more than a day... figure it to be curtious to senders, but make sure that it doesn't get sent to lists like this. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) �You'd think so,
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I just checked my Outlook (2007) rules, and they're already configured that way. It appears that Outlook does that by default. Does it really work? I have no idea. I don't know whether my OOFs go out to this list or not. -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell�� (352) 215-6944 Fa� (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) � You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office
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This argument about OOF's reached religious status back when Exchange was version 2000 and Office XP was the client of choice. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured
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Maybe that's so in your organization. In mine, it's okay. Which is great, but I (for one) am not part of your organization so this does not hold. How about this: every time I get up to go to the restroom or get a cup of coffee I'll let you know I won't be able to respond right away via email. Oh but you say but I'll only be gone for 5 minutes which is within the timeframe of an expected reply. Alrighty, at lunch I'm gone for a half hour so I'll just let you know then--oh and also when I go home for the day since I won't respond for *ouch* over 12 hours. Ridiculous, yes... I think the point you're missing here is that email is not a real-time or even near real-time way of messaging, unlike say IM or a phone call which are designed for anything important enough to need an immediate or near-immediate reply. In fact, the only job description that's ever somewhat convincingly argued against this is some kind of account executive role. However, the outside individual is then certainly in the address book which once again removes the perceived need to send unsolicited and unwanted automated responses outside the org. Instead of trying to justify, you'll be better off to just say (like so many others have) I'm gonna do it and you can't stop me; make a filter. Yay, I've got five languages in my filter now and I still get OOFs due to some languages having more than one way to say out-of-office and several hundred languages missing. So much for scalability... ~JasonG ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I appreciate your input, but you're not in any more of a position to judge what's best for my position and organization than I am to judge for you. I'll make the best decisions I can based on my education and experience, and you do the same. It's certainly possible for us to differ without one of us being right and the other being wrong. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? It's common sense, really - if you're important enough that you receive external emails from customers on a regular basis, your customers are important enough to receive non-automated replies. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:27, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Yeah.. from seeing the response here... whoooeee... no thank you. Shook can be the group pawn. ___ Cameron Cooper IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Uh, it's older than that. -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? This argument about OOF's reached religious status back when Exchange was version 2000 and Office XP was the client of choice. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from
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~2600 list members here; no way of knowing for sure how many are actually out of the office. I just got 10 OOFs which OK sure, might be quite a few at a third of a percent. Eerily, something is telling me there's a good chance an awful lot more than that are actually away from their desk right now for longer than a day and have managed somehow to NOT SPAM ME in the process. Many thanks to the nameless ones! :) You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I'm sure it is. I've been on the list since it was first founded for Exchange 4.0 early adaptor program and Elaine Sharp was still the program manager for Exchange at Microsoft. It gets very tiresome to listen to the same arguments made in the same tired way over and over and over again. As someone else said here, there is nothing set in stone about the proper way of using OOF's. I would tell them all to quite trying to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat. If you don't like them, set up a rule and filter them, or if you're lazy, the delete key works just as well. Personally I get a kick out of how creative some people can be with what they put in the notice. But that's just me. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? Uh, it's older than that. -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? This argument about OOF's reached religious status back when Exchange was version 2000 and Office XP was the client of choice. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original
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And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Can some one remove me from this list?
I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
I just changed my Rule to incorporate Stop Processing More Rules. I'm out tomorrow, we'll see what happens. Oh and just in case it DOES work: I'll be out of the office tomorrow, returning on Monday. LOL Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Brilliant Mr. Peck. tyvm -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add- on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cel (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.ukmailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can someone remove me from this list?
Not having worked in the public sector, I would think that there would be even less need for external users to know when someone with a school (or any government agency) is away. If anything it could possibly be spun as a security issue. TVK From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.ukmailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
I would have people like that whom I work with fairly regularly in my contacts list, then they would still get the updates. From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.ukmailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don’t live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they’re out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I’m assuming—crazy as this may sound—that they might appreciate the same treatment. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title
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Much... and yet it reoccurs a few times a year... -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com wrote: Uh, it's older than that. -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? This argument about OOF's reached religious status back when Exchange was version 2000 and Office XP was the client of choice. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. -- Peter Drucker -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John
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I've heard the security argument before. Haven't been persuaded. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? Not having worked in the public sector, I would think that there would be even less need for external users to know when someone with a school (or any government agency) is away. If anything it could possibly be spun as a security issue. TVK From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.ukmailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Very true, I have not - was just trying to imagine the reason an IT type in a school district would need to notify external senders - internal, sure. Oh well - in my world, I activate internal only OOO's - external vendors or partners I'm actively working with I notify ahead of time - the rest can wait a few days or a week (and I frequently monitor from my BB in case something comes up that REALLY requires attention). -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I would have people like that whom I work with fairly regularly in my contacts list, then they would still get the updates. From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.ukmailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image
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I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.commailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be
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Just wondering, but wouldn't you call first if the issue was truly urgent instead of emailing? If it's not truly urgent then...? BTW, my more courteous vendors (i.e. those that can expect regular purchases) are kind enough to email or even call me proactively, *before they leave*, letting me know the dates, who I can mail in their absence and would I like to expedite anything through. Some may call *that* spammy but I've let them know it's ok since it's an ongoing relationship and they're not pushing anything, just being friendly and informative. Jason -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 15:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Sigh. We don’t live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they’re out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I’m assuming—crazy as this may sound—that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email mailing lists before subscribing :) You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~
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I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) ½ You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/N½~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/N~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
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Actually less than a dozen OOO's (normally) from a list of 2600 or so - that's a pretty small percentage. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? There are me's and I's in *everyone's* response. We're all speaking from a position of personal experience and opinion; there are no rules carved in stone here. You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. There's only personal preference. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? John, no offense. But there are a lot of 'me's' and 'I's' in your response. You are projecting your needs and business practices on a community that, like you I am sure, don't need a bunch of OOF's in their inbox every time they reply to try and help someone. If you need OOF's that is fine, I totally understand that. But the list doesn't need your OOF's and you can work around it without too much trouble. Second mailbox, auto forward them to your inbox and when you reply use the 'from' option to change the from so the list accepts it. And then add a rule to not send OOF's to the forwarding mailbox. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? It doesn't quite work that way in my world. Normally, people can expect an e-mail response from me very quickly. If I'm in a position where my access to e-mail will be sporadic (mobile devices don't work everywhere, so coverage while traveling is spotty) or non-existent, I find it polite to let senders know this. And based on the number of OOO responses I get when sending messages, I'm not the only one. We were just discussing this topic in a class I'm taking. The sentiment voiced by everyone in the discussion was that the use of auto-replies was correct netiquette. I agree. Is it a pain when you post a message to a listserv and get a stack of OOFs? Yes. But the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can someone remove me from this list? I must agree, at least partially, that cold calling emailers don't need an automated response as to your reachability. Anyone who is of such importance that their absence could cause strangers to be inconvenienced should have some mobile way (BB, WM device) of staying in contact 24/7, which would negate the need for OOO all together. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list?
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E-mail is asynchronous, but it's a quick and effective means of communication. In our environment, we frequently use e-mail for urgent matters. Not outright emergencies--we do use the phone for that--but urgent matters, yes. We're a small group, and e-mail is generally a better way to reach us than phone. We all have cell phones, but we live in a rural area with spotty coverage and often can't get reception inside school buildings. It's actually often easier (quicker) to reach us via e-mail than phone. Plus, people often need to reach me who don't have my cell phone number, so if I'm out of the office e-mail is the better way to reach me. Plus, e-mail provides the advantage of written documentation. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Just wondering, but wouldn't you call first if the issue was truly urgent instead of emailing? If it's not truly urgent then...? BTW, my more courteous vendors (i.e. those that can expect regular purchases) are kind enough to email or even call me proactively, *before they leave*, letting me know the dates, who I can mail in their absence and would I like to expedite anything through. Some may call *that* spammy but I've let them know it's ok since it's an ongoing relationship and they're not pushing anything, just being friendly and informative. Jason -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 15:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Sigh. We don’t live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they’re out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I’m assuming—crazy as this may sound—that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk
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But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General’s office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn’t be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I’m up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don’t live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they’re out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I’m assuming—crazy as this may sound—that they might appreciate the same treatment. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not good customer service to be told that their email is going to be ignored until you get back from vacation. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 08:32, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some
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I've seen the error of my ways. I *am* using e-mail wrong. Have been for years. Thanks for convincing me. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not
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My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of this list, you'd probably need a modicum of knowledge about email + mailing lists before subscribing :) ½ You'd think so, but then you'd look at the flurry of out-of-office notices one gets when posting around the holidays.
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That does it! I'm not telling any of you I won't be in the office most of next week! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.commailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some
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Out of Facility -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sobey, Richard A r.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: And looking at the title of
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Out Of Facilities John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March
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Out of field is where that originates. I prefer OOO, though. Lord, I hope we don't start arguing about whether OOF is better than OOO... -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from
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Can this one die then? Please From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I've seen the error of my ways. I *am* using e-mail wrong. Have been for years. Thanks for convincing me. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Heh. Not unless you're a one-man shop. If there is anyone else in your office, a co-worker should have delegate rights, and monitor your mail. It's not
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Come on Don, You have seen this before? http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/07/12/180899.aspx -troy -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009
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Again? From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? That does it! I'm not telling any of you I won't be in the office most of next week! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If you're unsure, then you've probably never worked for a school district. -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? And from looking at your email domain name, you are probably not in a sales or external customer service position so I'm unsure of the reason EXTERNAL users need to know when your out. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one
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The old-school reference... -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Eric Wittersheim ewittersh...@aasmnet.org wrote: Out of Facility -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't get sent to the list. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some
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It would be impolite to pass up a free invite to the InfoSEC conference at Disney World! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Again? From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? That does it! I'm not telling any of you I won't be in the office most of next week! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this may sound-that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: If
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Everyone has valid point as to why or why you shouldn't send 000's out to the big wide world. I think we should all agree to disagree :) As one of the people who does send 000's to the outside world, it is either to inform people that I'm travelling, eg sat on a plane for 13 hours, working in a different time zone, or just plain out 0f the office, my reasoning, which may be flawed is that people these days expect a instant response, and hopefully the 000 will remind them, they may not get an instant response. Some of the list I subscribe to don't have the problem with 000's perhaps our sponsors can do something about it, in the mean time I have taken the suggested step of adding the stop processing more rules in the hope it solves the problem. That's my 2 pence worth. Thanks Matt -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 20:53 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution
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Sweet! How'd you swing that? -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: It would be impolite to pass up a free invite to the InfoSEC conference at Disney World! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Again? From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? That does it! I’m not telling any of you I won’t be in the office most of next week! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General’s office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn’t be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I’m up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don’t live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they’re out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I’m assuming—crazy as this may sound—that they might appreciate the same treatment. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? I have worked for a school district, and I still don't know why external users would need to know I'm out. -Jonathan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Hornbuckle
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I got people! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Sweet! How'd you swing that? -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: It would be impolite to pass up a free invite to the InfoSEC conference at Disney World! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Again? From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? That does it! I'm not telling any of you I won't be in the office most of next week! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. - John Hornbuckle The problem is, there are 67 school districts in Florida and any number of people from any of them may contact me. Other state agencies from DOE to the Auditor General's office also contact me, and those are big bureaucracies with lots of employees. It wouldn't be practical to try to add them all to my contacts. -John Hornbuckle Pot, kettle, black. I was not being arrogant, I was saying you're using email wrong. If you think it's arrogant for me to say that, I find your comments to have a similar air about them. You're so important that you can't be bothered to manage OOO's to other people because some other external entity out there might need to contact you. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I'm up for a good disagreement any time. But arrogance? Not so much. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Can some one remove me from this list? Ok, then you're not using email correctly. Even though email is nearly instantaneous, urgent communication should take place over the phone. I harp on employees all the time that email is not a substitution for more direct client contact. You should realize that your email might not ever make it to the intended recipient for whatever reason. At least with a telephone call follow-up you know much more, such as if the person is actually available to receive it and if you spoke to them if they received it and maybe even had a chance to read it and had been forumulating a response, but hey they're glad you called so you could discuss it more in depth. I do not OOO, my organization is flat enough that people know when I'm out on vacation or sick, or whatever. The clients I work with call me when something is urgent, and I do the same when I find out something that they need to know. I like to think of an OOO as a notification to the original emailer that I'm doing other business, which is more important than your business right now. Normally, clients don't know if you haven't seen their email right away, an OOO tells them that you won't see the email right away and that there is another client more important. While a client may academically understand that we service other clients, not one of them wants to think of themselves as the small client or the invaluable client, or at least less valuable than any other client. An OOO can and does reinforce the fact that the client is not the center of the universe. Right or wrong, there is something to be said for having a client-centric approach to business. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Sigh. We don't live in a bubble here. I regularly communicate with the Florida Department of Education, other school districts, and vendors. If I e-mail any of them when they're out, I like to get an OOO so that I know when I can expect a reply, or whom to contact if my issue is urgent. I'm assuming-crazy as this
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No, I think we should disagree over disagreeing! ;-) -Original Message- From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Everyone has valid point as to why or why you shouldn't send 000's out to the big wide world. I think we should all agree to disagree :) As one of the people who does send 000's to the outside world, it is either to inform people that I'm travelling, eg sat on a plane for 13 hours, working in a different time zone, or just plain out 0f the office, my reasoning, which may be flawed is that people these days expect a instant response, and hopefully the 000 will remind them, they may not get an instant response. Some of the list I subscribe to don't have the problem with 000's perhaps our sponsors can do something about it, in the mean time I have taken the suggested step of adding the stop processing more rules in the hope it solves the problem. That's my 2 pence worth. Thanks Matt -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 20:53 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:
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D'oh! -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Out Of Facilities John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus, this distribution list could be configured such that those notices don't
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My solution to avoid the list receiving OOF's from me is to simply set my list preferences to nomail for the period which I will be out of the office. Quite easy to do via the forums, and I can set all my lists at the same time . . . Thanks, James Winzenz Infrastructure Systems Engineer II - Security Pulte Homes Information Services -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? D'oh! -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Out Of Facilities John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal
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No I hadn't, thanks. I just knew it was lingering from somewhere just didn't even have the time when curiosity hit - xenix huh? - no wonder they bought Network Courier and called it MSMail. -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Come on Don, You have seen this before? http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/07/12/180899.aspx -troy -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Second mailbox for yourself, subscribe to lists with that. Or Outlook 2007 and have the out of organization messages sent only to those in your contact list if that works for you..it is in the OOO setup area of Outlook 2007. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? But I don't want to do that; external users need to know when I'm out of the office. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Exchange 2007 with Outlook 2007 makes it very easy. There are separate Out Of Office settings for internal vs. external. Just don't turn on OOO for external users. TVK -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Guilty! But in all fairness, doesn't Exchange 2007 make it a bit tougher to prevent this than 2003 did? I seem to recall that 2003 had a registry hack for minimizing this, but 2007 doesn't have this. Plus,
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I use a separate personal account for mailing lists for several reasons. Most importantly, I don't want to have to change my subscription information to several lists if I change jobs, and also, I do support OOOs to the internet in my environment, so its my way of not pissing anyone else off :-) While I used to get slightly annoyed by the number of OOOs I see on this list, I do understand their usefulness in certain cases. It was incredibly simple for me to filter all OOOs and send them directly to trash using the filter rules in GMail. I'm sure most of everyone's mail client has similar capabilities. It takes a lot less effort to control the mail you receive than to convince others to change their behavior. - Sean On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, James Winzenz james.winz...@pulte.comwrote: My solution to avoid the list receiving OOF's from me is to simply set my list preferences to nomail for the period which I will be out of the office. Quite easy to do via the forums, and I can set all my lists at the same time . . . Thanks, James Winzenz Infrastructure Systems Engineer II - Security Pulte Homes Information Services -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? D'oh! -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? Out Of Facilities John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? My last - how the heck did Out Of Office get abbreviated as OOF? (Out Of Foffice?) -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I think I'll add a rule sending any further messages on this topic to the bit-bucket... -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? In outlook, I used to have a rule. When receive message from [whatever list] move to folder and Stop Processing more rules. This seemed to have prevented me from sending out corporate required OOOs. Steven On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Don't think it works on 2007. If it's 2003 here's a nice little add-on that helps http://www.ivasoft.biz/selectiveoof.shtml John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fa (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=825370 That works with 2003, nfi if it works with 2007 S -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? I don't know who's defining this particular best practice, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of companies I do business with do it the way I do it. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list? The blame falls on you, for not following best business practices. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 09:01, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: I don't want a second mailbox, but OOOs need to go to people who send me messages regardless of whether they're in my contact list. I know this issue has come up before... Where exactly does the fault lie with this issue? Is Exchange doing things wrong? Or is Lyris? Or is this just how SMTP is designed, and there really is no blame? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OOF's was
OT: favorite phone
We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.commailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: favorite phone
What's wrong with the iPhone? From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Can someone remove me from this list?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: You don't like getting OOFs from mailing lists. I don't either. But based on the number that we get, it appears that quite a few list members do things the way I do. People are murdered ever day; that doesn't mean it's right. (For those bad at logic: I'm not equating sending OOFs to a list with murder. I'm demonstrating the fallacy of the frequent occurrence of something means it is okay to do it.) Does that make it right? It's neither right nor wrong--there is no right or wrong solution here. I think the arguments about public OOF in general are missing the point. I'm not about to tell anyone they should or shouldn't use OOF -- that's their choice, based on their needs. If you need 'em, use 'em. But we were talking about OOF's that get sent to a mailing list like this one. I can't see any argument in favor of that. To me, that seems -- objectively -- to be incorrect behavior. The rest of the list subscribers have no need to know that a general message in a public forum might not be read by a random person. So it's inconveniencing many, simply because you object to using a separate mailbox/address for lists. Do you have a valid reason for that objection? If there's some overriding reason I might buy it. Otherwise, you're just putting your own convenience ahead of hundreds or even thousands of others. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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On the basis that this may start another disagreement J Blackberry Bold or Curve, forget the storm it's c**p From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 22:45 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com mailto:h...@generalatlantic.com. Thank You. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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My favorite is the Motorola 2950 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motorola2950.jpg No email, contacts, calendar, or web. Also does not have voice dialing. -troy -Original Message- From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: favorite phone
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Gene Giannamore gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com wrote: I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? We're pretty happy with the BlackBerry phones here. Full Exchange sync, including all PIM data. GAL lookup. Access to non-inbox folders and Public folders. Lots of IT management features. If a phone is stolen, I can click Wipe and lock handheld and the device will essentially brick itself. The web browser isn't too bad for a mobile browser. It's not as good as Safari on the iPhone, but not bad. The touch-screen on the Storm's is loved by some for its large size, easy web navigation, and easy Word/Excel document editing. Others have found they really want the hard keyboard. Fortunately, there's a choice now for the BlackBerry's. If you want an iPhone with a hard keyboard, you're SOL. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OOF's was RE: Can some one remove me from this list?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: No, I think we should disagree over disagreeing! No we shouldn't! Wait, I'll come in again... -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: favorite phone
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: We're pretty happy with the BlackBerry phones here. P.S.: All the BlackBerry's do voice dialing. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: favorite phone
Blackberry 8800. It does all you require. Mine is nearly 2 yrs old and still works flawlessly. That said I would upgrade to a Bold if I had the $ John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Gene Giannamore To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Mar 05 17:45:10 2009 Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.commailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: favorite phone
When your battery craps you're SOL! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Martin Blackstone To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Mar 05 17:48:25 2009 Subject: RE: favorite phone Wh�s wrong with the iPhone? From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.commailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: favorite phone
BB 9000 (aka Bold) - on BES - BB browser slowly getting better but still not IE - yes to voice dialing though I don't use it. (this is for work of course) From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I've been looking at new cell phones for my personal use. Since I'm concerned with cost, I want to keep the monthly charges down. There are 2 types of phones, and that makes a difference in terms of monthly charges for unlimited Internet access. The true smart phones like the iPhone have an adder of from $35 a month or more, but you have full browser capabilities. I've been looking at the phones that do not use a full browser, but rather use Media Net. These phones have an adder of only $15 per month for unlimited Internet access. These phones apparently will have some issues accessing some Internet websites. The phone I'm considering is the LG VU, cheap to acquire, yet similar to iPhone with a large screen. You have 2 keyboards, a Qwerty and a numeric. The phone has voice commands dialing, but the phones without voice dialing can subscribe to ATT's voice dialing for about $5 per month. Since I haven't secured the phone yet, I'll be interested in other people's views and opinions. Murray From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: favorite phone What's wrong with the iPhone? From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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As something to use instead of an iPhone go with the Fuze. Awesome phone with a touch-screen and slide out keyboard. Does everything the OP asks and much more. TVK From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: favorite phone BB 9000 (aka Bold) - on BES - BB browser slowly getting better but still not IE - yes to voice dialing though I don't use it. (this is for work of course) From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.commailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: favorite phone
The old 4500 transportable was great.. http://www.retrobrick.com/4500x.html -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 22:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: favorite phone My favorite is the Motorola 2950 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motorola2950.jpg No email, contacts, calendar, or web. Also does not have voice dialing. -troy -Original Message- From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com mailto:h...@generalatlantic.com. Thank You. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: favorite phone
We are a BB shop and only do BB. But the iPhone is one freaking sweet piece of hardware that will do ActiveSync. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: favorite phone When your battery craps you're SOL! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud _ From: Martin Blackstone To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Mar 05 17:48:25 2009 Subject: RE: favorite phone Whs wrong with the iPhone? From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: favorite phone
Its too flocking big! Yeah I love my ipod touch but sheesh. What happened to that BB Pearl flip? I never saw that come available through our reps, is it around? Or what about Windows Mobile flips? Am I the only person that wants a small phone that fits in my pocket? -troy -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: favorite phone We are a BB shop and only do BB. But the iPhone is one freaking sweet piece of hardware that will do ActiveSync. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: favorite phone When your battery craps you're SOL! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Martin Blackstone To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Thu Mar 05 17:48:25 2009 Subject: RE: favorite phone Ws wrong with the iPhone? From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: favorite phone
our entire IT dept uses Android on the G1. We use a 3rd party program for exchange email called Touchdown that was pretty cheap; but the browser is pretty good on Exchange 2007 Lite. The battery life on the Android is much better since the last update they did. We were a WindowsMobile 6 shop for the last few years too; and that wasn't so bad. -BenN On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.comwrote: We are a BB shop and only do BB. But the iPhone is one freaking sweet piece of hardware that will do ActiveSync. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:57 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: favorite phone When your battery craps you're SOL! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud -- *From*: Martin Blackstone *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Sent*: Thu Mar 05 17:48:25 2009 *Subject*: RE: favorite phone Whs wrong with the iPhone? *From:* Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:45 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* OT: favorite phone We are looking at iphone alternatives. I was just wondering what your favorite phone is, especially for accessing exchange email, contacts, calendar, and browsing the web. Also does the phone have voice dialing? Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185Cell gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
