RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message I kind of wish the Wings would win the damn cup, just so they will retire and go away. All though, I got a great big smile on my face after the Canes kicked their a$$. Maybe it will be an upset….the Wings gone in 4… -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller GO AVS!! Still feeling the pain. Sure would be a little better if the Canes take the wingnuts. :-) Employed in Colorado but choking on forest fire smoke. :-) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller RED WINGS SUCK……! I’m from Denver. What do you expect? -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We have a hockey team here too. Actually, we have all the major pro sports teams here.but, that being said, I would rather go to a High School baseball game than go see the Rangers play, that's where it is ALL about the game. BTW, what's wrong with the Wings??? -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath" baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod :) -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the same.h. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
He's
probably on steroids just like Sosa.
-Original Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Gee,
you think maybe the owner is the idiot, not A-Rod?
FYI -
A-Rod is leading the ML in RBI, 2nd in Total Bases, tied with Bonds and Sosa in
HR, batting .317, .661 Slugging Percentage, etc. Not doing too bad.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:48 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
85
Million??? What about the 250 Million that A-Fraud is getting for his 10
year contract?
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06,
2002 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
Football
sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet
paper bag.
Baseball is
alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced
idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond
me.
Now Hockeythere
is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a
diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The
Wngs
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Great! His team is in last place There is no "I" in team last time I checked... -Original Message-From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Gee, you think maybe the owner is the idiot, not A-Rod? FYI - A-Rod is leading the ML in RBI, 2nd in Total Bases, tied with Bonds and Sosa in HR, batting .317, .661 Slugging Percentage, etc. Not doing too bad. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:48 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller 85 Million??? What about the 250 Million that A-Fraud is getting for his 10 year contract? -Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: For Kevin Miller
English? - Original Message - From: "Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Folks, I might to have to put an action phrase on this... Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Right on Thanks.. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
GO
AVS!! Still feeling the pain. Sure would be a little better if the Canes take
the wingnuts. :-)
Employed in Colorado but choking on forest fire smoke.
:-)
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:25
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
RED WINGS
SUCK……!
I’m from
Denver. What do
you expect?
-Original
Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06,
2002 2:13
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We have
a hockey team here too. Actually, we have all the major pro sports
teams here.but, that being said, I would rather go to a High School
baseball game than go see the Rangers play, that's where it is ALL about the
game.
BTW,
what's wrong with the Wings???
-Original
Message-From: Garland
Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06,
2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Football
sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet
paper bag.
Baseball is
alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why
someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond
me.
Now
Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And
it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The
Wngs
-Original
Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:06
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Unfortunately, the
Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen anything yet that has
proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football fanatic, I married into a
family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath" baseball. I'm now a baseball
fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year old's Little League season, they
went to playoffs & then he went on to play in All-Stars. We have a
great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who was 8 at the time with
Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by Nolan Ryan, you
couldn't pay us enough money to part with that baseball & I wouldn't pay
.02 cents for one autographed by ARod :)
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You
can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Paul, your
Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head
except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original
Message-From:
Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:31 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking
Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul
green
seattle
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Gee, you think maybe the owner is the idiot, not A-Rod? FYI - A-Rod is leading the ML in RBI, 2nd in Total Bases, tied with Bonds and Sosa in HR, batting .317, .661 Slugging Percentage, etc. Not doing too bad. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:48 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller 85 Million??? What about the 250 Million that A-Fraud is getting for his 10 year contract? -Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message RED WINGS SUCK……! I’m from Denver. What do you expect? -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We have a hockey team here too. Actually, we have all the major pro sports teams here.but, that being said, I would rather go to a High School baseball game than go see the Rangers play, that's where it is ALL about the game. BTW, what's wrong with the Wings??? -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath" baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod :) -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the same.h. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Folks, I might to have to put an action phrase on this... Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Right on Thanks.. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
We
have a hockey team here too. Actually, we have all the major pro
sports teams here.but, that being said, I would rather go to a High School
baseball game than go see the Rangers play, that's where it is ALL about the
game.
BTW,
what's wrong with the Wings???
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Football sucks
Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.
Baseball is alright,
but becoming way too commercial. More over priced
idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond
me.
Now Hockeythere is
a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse
sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs
-Original
Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:06
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Unfortunately, the
Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen anything yet that has
proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football fanatic, I married into a
family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath" baseball. I'm now a baseball
fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year old's Little League season, they
went to playoffs & then he went on to play in All-Stars. We have a
great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan
Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay
us enough money to part with that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for
one autographed by ARod :)
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You
can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar
Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head except
for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking
Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul
green
seattle
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Right on…. Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.aflac.com ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:38 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Where did you get the duck -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.h
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Ook…. Now baseball sucks… -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller 85 Million??? What about the 250 Million that A-Fraud is getting for his 10 year contract? -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
It was
that AFLAC/Edgar Martinez bobble head.
-Original Message-From: Kevin Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
2:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
how
did a thread with my name end up talking about little
league???
--Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and
WebDesign, GO here!
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't
seen anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a
football fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath"
baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year
old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to
play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old
step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball
autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with
that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod
:)
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
1:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head...
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday,
June 06, 2002 2:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex
Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:31 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From:
Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange
2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 3:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:10 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those
of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into
these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to
learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:42 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I have a
great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of
this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting, Jeff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:39 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
AFLAC!! :P
'nuff
said :)
-Original Message-From: Kevin Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
how
did a thread with my name end up talking about little
league???
--Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and
WebDesign, GO here!
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't
seen anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a
football fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath"
baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year
old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to
play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old
step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball
autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with
that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod
:)
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
1:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head...
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From:
Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday,
June 06, 2002 2:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex
Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:31 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From:
Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange
2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 3:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:10 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those
of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into
these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to
learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:42 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I have a
great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of
this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting, Jeff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:39 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message 85 Million??? What about the 250 Million that A-Fraud is getting for his 10 year contract? -Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Football sucks Over paid idiots who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockeythere is a sport. It's still about the game, not the money. And it's more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
how
did a thread with my name end up talking about little
league???
--Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and
WebDesign, GO here!
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen
anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football
fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath"
baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year
old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to
play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old
step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball
autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with that
baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod
:)
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
1:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head...
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
2:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex
Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum
Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From:
Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:10 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those
of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these
lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and
who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:42 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I have a
great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of
this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:39 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
someone
leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You can
keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that
I'm hiring for.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Football sucks…. Over paid idiots who couldn’t find their way out of a wet paper bag. Baseball is alright, but becoming way too commercial. More over priced idiots. Why someone gets paid $ 85 million for 10 years is beyond me. Now Hockey….there is a sport. It’s still about the game, not the money. And it’s more of a diverse sport. The only down side to hockey is The Wngs…. -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath" baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to play in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with that baseball & I wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod :) -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the same.h. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Yes, yes it does. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Yeah, well, try being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today from one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put in the paper. It sucks in the marketplace right now. -Original Message- From: Desiree Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow me to go to class during business hours. When things in your personal life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped me realize it's not so great to work all the time and miss out on real life. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Not at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights). That's how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my career. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Hahaha. I-CHI-RO! I-CHI-RO! I-CHI-RO!
;)
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002
11:10 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For
Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You
can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
2:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex
Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From:
Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:10 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those of
us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these
lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and
who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:42 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I have a
great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of
this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:39 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm
hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:11 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
12:56 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike
you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world
knowledge that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:58 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram
site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From:
Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Se
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message This is just normal Don from what I can tell. J -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Unfortunately, the Rangers paid way too much for him and I haven't seen
anything yet that has proven he's worth ityears ago I was a football
fanatic, I married into a family of guys that "eat, sleep, breath"
baseball. I'm now a baseball fanatic, just finished up with my 12 year
old's Little League season, they went to playoffs & then he went on to play
in All-Stars. We have a great picture of my now 20 year old step-son who
was 8 at the time with Nolan Ryan, we have also have a baseball autographed by
Nolan Ryan, you couldn't pay us enough money to part with that baseball & I
wouldn't pay .02 cents for one autographed by ARod :)
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You
can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
2:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex
Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From:
Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:10 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those of
us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these
lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and
who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:42 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I have a
great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of
this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:39 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm
hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:11 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
12:56 PMTo:
MS-Exch
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
You can get the duck
on Aflac's site. I think it is like $10.
I am a big EMart
fan. Hope he is to form when he gets off the DL (as does my fantasy team
*wink*)
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:38 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Where did you get the
duck
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My
talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul
green
seattle
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green Posted At: Thursday,
June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
"If
your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work"
-Original
Message-From:
Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
4:13 PMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a
jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything
on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
TIA
List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message A bunch of some bodies are getting rif'd. Me first ... J Rick -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Why is that? Somebodies getting RIF'd? Or did a service firm go Tango Uniform? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Corgiat, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Tomorrow at noon, Howard's Pub, County Line Rd in Mequon WI. There's gonna be a LOT of IT types draining the tappers... We'll leave when it's too hard to stand up... Rick -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller True Story So where's the beer (looking around)? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
You
can keep your "a-fraud" bobble head... :P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie,
Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:06
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez
bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at
work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head.
;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green Posted
At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted To: Exchange
2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this
cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too
many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$
from a hole in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm
hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
12:56 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For
Kevin Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after you
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message It’s a marketing conspiracy… -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Paul, your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head except for the uniform colors, the face is the same.h. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: htt
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Paul,
your Edgar Martinez bobble head looks just like my Alex Rodriguez bobble head
except for the uniform colors, the face is the
same.h.
-Original Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:31
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My
talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green Posted
At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
"If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss
work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a
jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything
on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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RE: For Kevin Miller
That is hilarious -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller ROTFLMAO Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.wav <http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.wav> ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:47 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Now I just need a .wav file -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.aflac.com <http://www.aflac.com> ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:38 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Where did you get the duck -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg <http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg> My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
There's always that too... I'm a sharing individual...
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:43
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Or
Don and I would work it out over a few beers and divide the world in
half.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
10:56 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Jim isn't too far from me actually. Then again, he and I would
probably be fighting for his position. I like being king myself.
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Please
contact Jim Schwartz J
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well, where are
these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that
"cheese"! :o)
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've
seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the
largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking
salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45%
for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No
offense to Don or anyone else.
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I
am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're cheap. [1]
[2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be
a bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don Ely -
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Why is that? Somebodies getting RIF'd? Or did a service firm go Tango Uniform? John Matteson; Exchange ManagerGeac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards(404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message-From: Corgiat, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:51 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Tomorrow at noon, Howard's Pub, County Line Rd in Mequon WI. There's gonna be a LOT of IT types draining the tappers... We'll leave when it's too hard to stand up... Rick -Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller True Story So where's the beer (looking around)? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
ROTFLMAO Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.wav <http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.wav> ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:47 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Now I just need a .wav file -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.aflac.com <http://www.aflac.com> ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:38 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Where did you get the duck -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg <http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg> My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.wav
;)
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002
10:47 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For
Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Now I just need a
.wav file….
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Thursday, June 06,
2002 11:44
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
www.aflac.com
;)
-Original
Message-From: Garland
Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Thursday, June 06,
2002 10:38
AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Where
did you get the duck
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06,
2002 11:31
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My
talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul
green
seattle
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green Posted At:
Thursday, June 06,
2002 10:22
AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
"If
your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work"
-Original
Message-From:
Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 4:13
PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation:
For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Now I just need a .wav file…. -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller www.aflac.com ;) -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:38 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Where did you get the duck -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.h
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
www.aflac.com
;)
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002
10:38 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For
Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Where did you get the
duck
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My
talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul
green
seattle
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green Posted At: Thursday,
June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted
To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
"If
your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work"
-Original
Message-From:
Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
4:13 PMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a
jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything
on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
TIA
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Or Don
and I would work it out over a few beers and divide the world in
half.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
10:56 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Jim
isn't too far from me actually. Then again, he and I would probably be
fighting for his position. I like being king myself.
:P
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Please
contact Jim Schwartz J
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well,
where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some
of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've
seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest
I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then
150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits
and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don
or anyone else.
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I am
not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Where did you get the duck -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg My talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;) paul green seattle -Original Message- From: Paul Green Posted At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message- From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ a
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
http://www.kcr.org/pccam/aflac!!.jpg
My
talking Aflac duck. Just one of my desk items here at work. And
yes, that is my Edgar Martinez bobble head. ;)
paul
green seattle
-Original Message-From: Paul Green Posted
At: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:22 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
"If
your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work"
-Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
AFLAK!!!
-Original
Message-From: Andy
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that
we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht,
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site did
you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab
at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them
in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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RE: For Kevin Miller
You're just full of answers aren't you...
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
They are in the process of that :
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&guid=%7BBFAB1CE2%2D531
1%2D4F71%2DB227%2D4D601F515EC3%7D&
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are
down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the
point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs
in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll
be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who
are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for
$40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers
to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience
of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that
was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I
do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is
all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in
mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need
to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
RE: For Kevin Miller
They are in the process of that :
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&guid=%7BBFAB1CE2%2D531
1%2D4F71%2DB227%2D4D601F515EC3%7D&
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are
down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the
point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs
in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll
be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who
are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for
$40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers
to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience
of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that
was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I
do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is
all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in
mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need
to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message "If your hurt and miss work-- it won't hurt to miss work" -Original Message-From: Lathrum Matt-P55173 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:13 PMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller AFLAK!!! -Original Message-From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message-From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Ummm…. Being as I am in Denver/Boulder I don’t think that is going to work… Although, if anyone on the list is in the area, I’m willing to find a bar….. -Original Message- From: Corgiat, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Tomorrow at noon, Howard's Pub, County Line Rd in Mequon WI. There's gonna be a LOT of IT types draining the tappers... We'll leave when it's too hard to stand up... Rick -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller True Story So where's the beer (looking around)? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Yes, but what do they have no tap? That is a long drive and I need to know if it is worth it -Original Message-From: Corgiat, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:51 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Tomorrow at noon, Howard's Pub, County Line Rd in Mequon WI. There's gonna be a LOT of IT types draining the tappers... We'll leave when it's too hard to stand up... Rick -Original Message-From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller True Story So where's the beer (looking around)? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Tech
mailbox???
Nope,
didn't move back and don't plan to for quite some time. I like it down
here where the sun shines frequently and it's actually warm.
However, I was up there for two weeks a couple of weeks ago to rip
apart a legacy network and implement a "real" networking solution versus the
patchwork that was installed there. :P
D
-Original Message-From: Matt Moore
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
12:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: For
Kevin Miller
hey Don did ya move back. I see a tech.
mail box.
Matt
- Original Message -
From:
Ely,
Don
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:59
PM
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Good story!
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 5:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
True
Story
Our Intern (who
we refer to as a mini me) is going to CSU and majoring in IT. He wants to
become a Sys Admin. Nevermind the fact that the
first 2 days he was here we asked him to setup some laptops. He had never
loaded an OS before. So I go into the server room and was working on my
Exchange migration and he comes in to watch. Asks me were I learned
everything, what school I went too... I told him I was baptized by fire.
Self Taught. He wasn't impressed, not that I cared or wanted him to be.
Then he began asking what our Oracle consultants did and what they got
paid. When I said, depending on what they do and how much experience they
have, I said some where between $60 and $90k to start.
This is where he
blew my mind. He asked me and I quote "is that all?!?"
These kids come
out of school thinking that the dot com boom is still alive and our
expecting huge 6 figure salaries. After that I didn't have the heart to
tell him, that the only way he was going to make that kind of money as an
admin was to have 10-15 years of experience and be damn good at it.
Unfortunately
they want the huge paychecks and are not interested in the job.
Personally, I love what I do. I make enough money. More is always better,
but the bottom line is I still love what I do. I'll love it more when I'm
off this migrationbut that's another
story.
So where's the
beer (looking around) ?
-Original
Message-From: Ray
Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:52
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Yeah, well, try
being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the
argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today
from one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put
in the paper. It sucks in the marketplace right
now.
-Original
Message-From:
Desiree Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:44
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I concur, I
tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to day
job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time
working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning
behind not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay
and to allow me to go to class during business hours. When things
in your personal life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it
can really help you recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to
you, that really helped me realize it's not so great to work all the
time and miss out on real life.
-Original
Message-From:
Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:45 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Not at all. I
feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my company
wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights). That's
how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Tomorrow at noon, Howard's Pub, County Line Rd in Mequon WI. There's gonna be a LOT of IT types draining the tappers... We'll leave when it's too hard to stand up... Rick -Original Message- From: Garland Mac Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller True Story So where's the beer (looking around)? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm This electronic transmission, including any attachments may contain information which is confidential and/or proprietary and is intended for review solely by the party(s) to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error please either immediately return the transmission to the sender or delete the transmission.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Bah! I'd be jumping for joy for 38/hr
-Original Message-From: Preston Jeffares
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:44
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
150
dollars and hr?!?! *cries* I'd be jumping for joy for
38/hr!! Oh the joys of state government!!
Preston JeffaresNetwork EngineerGeorgia Department of
Motor Vehicle Safety[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Please
contact Jim Schwartz J
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well,
where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some
of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've
seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest
I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then
150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits
and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don
or anyone else.
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I am
not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't us
Re: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
hey Don did ya move back. I see a tech.
mail box.
Matt
- Original Message -
From:
Ely,
Don
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:59
PM
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Good
story!
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 5:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
True
Story
Our Intern (who we
refer to as a mini me) is going to CSU and majoring in IT. He wants to
become a Sys Admin. Nevermind the fact that the
first 2 days he was here we asked him to setup some laptops. He had never
loaded an OS before. So I go into the server room and was working on my
Exchange migration and he comes in to watch. Asks me were I learned
everything, what school I went too... I told him I was baptized by fire.
Self Taught. He wasn't impressed, not that I cared or wanted him to be. Then
he began asking what our Oracle consultants did and what they got paid. When
I said, depending on what they do and how much experience they have, I said
some where between $60 and $90k to start.
This is where he
blew my mind. He asked me and I quote "is that all?!?"
These kids come out
of school thinking that the dot com boom is still alive and our expecting
huge 6 figure salaries. After that I didn't have the heart to tell him, that
the only way he was going to make that kind of money as an admin was to have
10-15 years of experience and be damn good at it.
Unfortunately they
want the huge paychecks and are not interested in the job. Personally, I
love what I do. I make enough money. More is always better, but the bottom
line is I still love what I do. I'll love it more when I'm off this
migrationbut that's another story.
So where's the beer
(looking around) ?
-Original
Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:52
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Yeah,
well, try being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the
argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today
from one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put in
the paper. It sucks in the marketplace right
now.
-Original
Message-From:
Desiree Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:44
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I
concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day
to day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much
time working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning
behind not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and
to allow me to go to class during business hours. When things in
your personal life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can
really help you recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to you,
that really helped me realize it's not so great to work all the time and
miss out on real life.
-Original
Message-From:
Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:45
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Not at all. I
feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my company
wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights). That's how
much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
11:39 AMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You can
keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that
I'm hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL
RE: For Kevin Miller
It's good to be the king Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Jim isn't too far from me actually. Then again, he and I would probably be fighting for his position. I like being king myself. :P Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Please contact Jim Schwartz :-) -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging :-) -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message I think he is being naïve because he hasn’t even finished school and already dreaming of the big bucks. With the market they way it is, they’re people out there who are killing themselves to land a job. In the IT market, unless you have a lot of experience or you are just god you aren’t going to land that kind of salary. 60-90k a year is a lot of money. If he comes out the gate and lands something for 30- 35k a year, that’s plenty of money for a kid coming out of school with no experience. It goes back to the paper cert. it’s meaning less unless you have some experience. To sum it up, my point is this. Everyone in this industry has to pay their dues. At some point in their career they are going to have be whored out. Then comes the true test. Do you do this for the money or because you like what you do? The best admins I have ever met, did it because they loved what they did. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have high expectations or goals to achieve, but from what I’ve seen of what he knows, he has a long way to go. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE'
Re: For Kevin Miller
Play nicely. Missy Koslosky hp Services - Original Message - From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Point -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-) -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs in their eyes. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll be able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who are seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for $40k jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions. Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a position. Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs because they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks will jump to better paying jobs. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This doesn't refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers to the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience of different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two technologies. Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that was some time ago now!). Kevin -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit ridiculous -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message----- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Re: For Kevin Miller
Remember that a lot of those jobs will be from redundancies - Admin, HR, etc. will get hit the hardest, then manufacturing (for products that are being phased out). - Original Message - From: "William Lefkovics" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs in their eyes. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll be able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who are seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for $40k jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions. Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a position. Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs because they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks will jump to better paying jobs. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This doesn't refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers to the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience of different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two technologies. Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that was some time ago now!). Kevin -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit ridiculous -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message----- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Ke
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
150 is a
consulting rate.
-Original Message-From: Preston Jeffares
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:44
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
150
dollars and hr?!?! *cries* I'd be jumping for joy for
38/hr!! Oh the joys of state government!!
Preston JeffaresNetwork EngineerGeorgia Department of
Motor Vehicle Safety[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Please
contact Jim Schwartz J
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well,
where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some
of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've
seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest
I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then
150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits
and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don
or anyone else.
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I am
not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message 150 dollars and hr?!?! *cries* I'd be jumping for joy for 38/hr!! Oh the joys of state government!! Preston JeffaresNetwork EngineerGeorgia Department of Motor Vehicle Safety[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Please contact Jim Schwartz J -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message-From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in U
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message HEY! Most of us here are already certifiable. John Matteson; Exchange ManagerGeac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards(404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message-From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Try job hunting in the UK.. not easy, though our market is definately not as saturated as yours. There's just no jobs, and the ones there are are paying nothing for good certs and experience. :( -Original Message- From: mwhitton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: For Kevin Miller Try job hunting in the Houston area :( - Original Message - From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > Point > > -Original Message- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs > > -Original Message- > From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an > IT > individual > really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they > salaries > overall > are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick > back up > to > the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT > wannabes with > dollar signs in their eyes. > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and > they > want > experience, and they want to pay as little as > possible. And > they'll be > able to find that person. I've talked to a couple > of > recruiters > who are > seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making > $70-$80k > applying > for $40k > jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center > out > here, > and > supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 > positions. > Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 > resumes for > a > position. > Some company that is apparently doing a very large > w2k > migration > has > been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people > with > certs > because > they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. > > Someday, the economy will come back, and all the > underpaid > folks > will > jump to better paying jobs. > > -Original Message- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape > candidate. > This > doesn't > refer to their physical shape although I guess it > might. It > refers to > the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a > broad > experience of > different technologies with in-depth knowledge of > one or > maybe > two > technologies. > > Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left > college > (but > that was > some time ago now!). > > Kevin > > -Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no > question...but > overall > a kid coming out of school expecting to make that > amount is > a > bit > ridiculous > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Carpenter > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Earlier someone mentioned a story about a > kid saying > that 60-90K > was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was > naive. > Although > I do > agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ > thoughts > these > days, > instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think > that > 60-90K > is all > that high either. It all depends on yo
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Jim isn't too far from me actually. Then again, he and I would probably be fighting for his position. I like being king myself. :P Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Please contact Jim Schwartz J -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message-From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Please contact Jim Schwartz J -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Da
Re: For Kevin Miller
Try job hunting in the Houston area :( - Original Message - From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > Point > > -Original Message- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs > > -Original Message- > From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an > IT > individual > really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they > salaries > overall > are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick > back up > to > the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT > wannabes with > dollar signs in their eyes. > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and > they > want > experience, and they want to pay as little as > possible. And > they'll be > able to find that person. I've talked to a couple > of > recruiters > who are > seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making > $70-$80k > applying > for $40k > jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center > out > here, > and > supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 > positions. > Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 > resumes for > a > position. > Some company that is apparently doing a very large > w2k > migration > has > been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people > with > certs > because > they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. > > Someday, the economy will come back, and all the > underpaid > folks > will > jump to better paying jobs. > > -Original Message- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape > candidate. > This > doesn't > refer to their physical shape although I guess it > might. It > refers to > the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a > broad > experience of > different technologies with in-depth knowledge of > one or > maybe > two > technologies. > > Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left > college > (but > that was > some time ago now!). > > Kevin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no > question...but > overall > a kid coming out of school expecting to make that > amount is > a > bit > ridiculous > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Carpenter > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Earlier someone mentioned a story about a > kid saying > that 60-90K > was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was > naive. > Although > I do > agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ > thoughts > these > days, > instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think > that > 60-90K > is all > that high either. It all depends on your market, > experience, > and > abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a > job that > paid 3 > times what I make here, simply due to market > differences. > Keep > in mind > that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex > border > though...jk > -Original Message- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL
RE: For Kevin Miller
Point
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an
IT
individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they
salaries
overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick
back up
to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT
wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and
they
want
experience, and they want to pay as little as
possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple
of
recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making
$70-$80k
applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center
out
here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50
positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700
resumes for
a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large
w2k
migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people
with
certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the
underpaid
folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape
candidate.
This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it
might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a
broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of
one or
maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left
college
(but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no
question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that
amount is
a
bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
RE: For Kevin Miller
I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT
individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries
overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up
to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they
want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of
recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k
applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out
here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50
positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for
a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k
migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with
certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid
folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate.
This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or
maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college
(but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no
question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is
a
bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive.
Although
I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts
these
days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that
60-90K
is all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience,
and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that
paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences.
Keep
in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border
though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
RE: For Kevin Miller
That's a real shame! I'm off to my island in the Pacific at the end of the
year so there's no dollar signs in front of my eyes anymore just Ray-Bans!
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 15:21
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are
down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the
point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs
in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll
be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who
are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for
$40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers
to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience
of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that
was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that
60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I
do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is
all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in
mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need
to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at.
I'm
underpaid! I
RE: For Kevin Miller
Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT
individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries
overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up
to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they
want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of
recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k
applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out
here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50
positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for
a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k
migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with
certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid
folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate.
This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or
maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college
(but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no
question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is
a
bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive.
Although
I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts
these
days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that
60-90K
is all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience,
and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that
paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences.
Keep
in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border
though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a
bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although
I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these
days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K
is all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that
paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep
in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border
though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make
the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they
need to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs
at.
I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-
RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall are
down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to the
point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with dollar signs
in their eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll
be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who
are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for
$40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers
to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience
of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that
was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that
60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I
do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is
all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in
mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need
to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at.
I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PM
To: MS-E
RE: For Kevin Miller
Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here, and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks will
jump to better paying jobs.
-Original Message-
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit
ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a
whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an
hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52
weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes =
$452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone
else.
-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about
Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It refers to the
fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad experience of different
technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe two technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but that was some
time ago now!).
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall a
kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was
too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that
many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love
of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all
depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor.
I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market
differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex
border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code
some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k -
$600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after
having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour
plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks =
$312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary
costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him.
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You're cheap. [1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But not easy!
[2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the
experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
So
RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall a
kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was
too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that
many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love
of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all
depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor.
I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market
differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex
border though...jk
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code
some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k -
$600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after
having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour
plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks =
$312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary
costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him.
-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You're cheap. [1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But not easy!
[2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the
experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Something wrong with charging $150 an hour?
That's my usual going rate... :o)
-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Then you must be having authority to pay
$150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be c
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Earlier someone
mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was too low for OCPs, and he
thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that many kids go in with much
higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't
think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all depends on your market,
experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that
paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border
though...jk
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
He
was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language.
During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The
reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to
all the medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine
removal surgeries.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
9:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid!
I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-From: Schwartz,
Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 5:08 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more
than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses.
If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks =
$312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in
salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone
else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I
am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about
your authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You're cheap.
[1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But
not easy!
[2] For someone
like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Then you must
be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he
will be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this
cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too
many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$
from a hole in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
He was
an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language. During
Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The reason
that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the
medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine removal
surgeries.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
9:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I
want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than
that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you
were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in
about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth
that. No offense to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I
am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're cheap. [1]
[2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be
a bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROT
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
crack?That might explain this whole thread!!
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I know this... That wasn't what my crack was
referencing... There are a few people here that probably understand
where I was going with that though... ;o)
-Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:17
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
ummm, the original "cram site" question was about the coveted UCC+WCA
cert. :-)
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:03 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well give me some sarcasm tags next time... :P You should
know as well as I do how hard it is to read expressions through
email.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 2:38 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Main Entry: sar·casm Pronunciation:
'sär-"ka-z&mFunction: noun
2 a : a mode of satirical wit
depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language
that is usually directed against an individual b : the use
or language of sarcasm sarcasm>
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 1:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply
for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We
actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;)
?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at
the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find
anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Sorry,
I've taken them all!
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 06 June 2002 03:06To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I'm
with you on that.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
6:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid!
I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-From: Schwartz,
Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 5:08 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more
than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses.
If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks =
$312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in
salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone
else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I
am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about
your authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You're cheap.
[1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But
not easy!
[2] For someone
like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Then you must
be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he
will be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this
cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too
many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$
from a hole in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm
hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
12:56 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually us
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
I'm
with you on that.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I
want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than
that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you
were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in
about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth
that. No offense to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I
am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're cheap. [1]
[2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be
a bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13
RE: For Kevin Miller
2 days in a row and the conversations are still about Don's backside.
Scrubbing the brain just isn't working - time to drown it.
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-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:52 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I didn't say MCSE's don't know their shit. I am an MCSE and I most
certainly know my shit. It's the paper one's that don't know shit (e.g. the
ones with the cert and no background to speak of).
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:43 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just be
objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we enjoy
lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it to say,
there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that know more. It
all depends on who you get. If you do your job interviewing the candidate,
shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all MCSE's don't know $hit is
asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still
valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND
have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his
MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still
looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at
the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always
be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less
plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code
all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-Original Message-
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that
didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard
drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get
them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling
clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing
interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how
do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope
in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the
most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
RE: For Kevin Miller
Intimate knowledge of bovine fecal matter is not something that
interests me.
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:52 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I didn't say MCSE's don't know their shit. I am an MCSE and I most
certainly know my shit. It's the paper one's that don't know shit (e.g.
the ones with the cert and no background to speak of).
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:43 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just
be objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we
enjoy lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it
to say, there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that
know more. It all depends on who you get. If you do your job
interviewing the candidate, shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all
MCSE's don't know $hit is asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is
still valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your
worth AND have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get
his MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is
still looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was
an MCP at the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience
should always be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on
a WS, much less plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know,
now they color code all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-Original Message-
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE
that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would
format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went,
and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are
only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when
doing interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like
how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is
the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it
sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to
the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a
job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
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-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issue
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Good
story!
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Garland Mac
Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 5:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
True
Story
Our Intern (who we
refer to as a mini me) is going to CSU and majoring in IT. He wants to become
a Sys Admin. Nevermind the fact that the first 2
days he was here we asked him to setup some laptops. He had never loaded an OS
before. So I go into the server room and was working on my Exchange migration
and he comes in to watch. Asks me were I learned everything, what school I
went too... I told him I was baptized by fire. Self Taught. He wasn't impressed,
not that I cared or wanted him to be. Then he began asking what our Oracle
consultants did and what they got paid. When I said, depending on what they do
and how much experience they have, I said some where between $60 and $90k to
start.
This is where he blew
my mind. He asked me and I quote "is that all?!?"
These kids come out
of school thinking that the dot com boom is still alive and our expecting huge
6 figure salaries. After that I didn't have the heart to tell him, that the
only way he was going to make that kind of money as an admin was to have 10-15
years of experience and be damn good at it.
Unfortunately they
want the huge paychecks and are not interested in the job. Personally, I love
what I do. I make enough money. More is always better, but the bottom line is
I still love what I do. I'll love it more when I'm off this migrationbut
that's another story.
So where's the beer
(looking around) ?
-Original
Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:52
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Yeah,
well, try being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the
argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today from
one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put in the
paper. It sucks in the marketplace right
now.
-Original
Message-From: Desiree
Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:44
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I
concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to
day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time
working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind
not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow
me to go to class during business hours. When things in your personal
life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you
recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped
me realize it's not so great to work all the time and miss out on real
life.
-Original
Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:45
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Not
at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my
company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights).
That's how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
11:39 AMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm
hiring for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:11 PMTo:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 12:56 PMTo:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
I know this... That wasn't what my crack was
referencing... There are a few people here that probably understand where
I was going with that though... ;o)
-Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:17
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
ummm, the original "cram site" question was about the coveted UCC+WCA
cert. :-)
-Original Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 3:03 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well give me some sarcasm tags next time... :P You should
know as well as I do how hard it is to read expressions through
email.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 2:38 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Main Entry: sar·casm Pronunciation:
'sär-"ka-z&mFunction: noun
2 a : a mode of satirical wit
depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language
that is usually directed against an individual b : the use
or language of sarcasm sarcasm>
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 1:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for
a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We
actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted
At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at
the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find
anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
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Well,
where are these high paying jobs at. I'm underpaid! I want some of
that "cheese"! :o)
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Like
I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think
the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking
salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for
benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense
to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I am
not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that
we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht,
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site did
you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab
at the "c
RE: For Kevin Miller
I didn't say MCSE's don't know their shit. I am an MCSE and I most
certainly know my shit. It's the paper one's that don't know shit (e.g. the
ones with the cert and no background to speak of).
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:43 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just be
objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we enjoy
lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it to say,
there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that know more. It
all depends on who you get. If you do your job interviewing the candidate,
shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all MCSE's don't know $hit is
asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still
valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND
have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his
MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still
looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at
the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always
be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less
plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code
all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-Original Message-
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that
didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard
drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get
them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling
clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing
interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how
do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope
in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the
most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job
that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE
certified. Sheesh
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
You're cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual
going rate... :o)
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how
to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the ground.
-Original
Message-From:
Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave
their sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don Ely -
NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge
that we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site
did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange
Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a
jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything
on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message AFLAK!!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
I
never said I did. Too busy working and with school.
-Original Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:56To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We,
unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world
knowledge that we've learned over the years...
-Original Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original Message-From:
Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000
ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For
Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on what all
that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified"
world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I
had 2 minutes to spare to look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message True Story…. Our Intern (who we refer to as a mini me) is going to CSU and majoring in IT. He wants to become a Sys Admin. Nevermind the fact that the first 2 days he was here we asked him to setup some laptops. He had never loaded an OS before. So I go into the server room and was working on my Exchange migration and he comes in to watch. Asks me were I learned everything, what school I went too… I told him I was baptized by fire. Self Taught. He wasn’t impressed, not that I cared or wanted him to be. Then he began asking what our Oracle consultants did and what they got paid. When I said, depending on what they do and how much experience they have, I said some where between $60 and $90k to start. This is where he blew my mind. He asked me and I quote “is that all?!?” These kids come out of school thinking that the dot com boom is still alive and our expecting huge 6 figure salaries. After that I didn’t have the heart to tell him, that the only way he was going to make that kind of money as an admin was to have 10-15 years of experience and be damn good at it. Unfortunately they want the huge paychecks and are not interested in the job. Personally, I love what I do. I make enough money. More is always better, but the bottom line is I still love what I do. I’ll love it more when I’m off this migration….but that’s another story….. So where’s the beer (looking around) ? -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Yeah, well, try being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today from one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put in the paper. It sucks in the marketplace right now. -Original Message- From: Desiree Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow me to go to class during business hours. When things in your personal life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped me realize it's not so great to work all the time and miss out on real life. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Not at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights). That's how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my career. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are t
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Canary… -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Was that a parrot I heard? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller quack -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Did they accept the KMAP RFC yet? Do I need to rewrite it? -Original Message-From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:48 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller UCC+WCA that would the Urban Computer Commando + Wall Climbing Ability. Paul went over the wall to unlock a Door When we did a network rebuild one night. The WLKMMAS is under development. KMAP-SR is the Kevin Miller Access Protocol. I have a knack for getting into places. See The first sentence. And the M is step a to getting the MOSMWNMTK Yes they are a stab at people who have MCP, MCSE, MCSE+I, A+, N+, CCNA after the name yet ask what does Wins do? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:09 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Exactly.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:43 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just
be objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we
enjoy lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it
to say, there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that
know more. It all depends on who you get. If you do your job
interviewing the candidate, shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all
MCSE's don't know $hit is asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is
still valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your
worth AND have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get
his MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is
still looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was
an MCP at the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience
should always be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on
a WS, much less plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know,
now they color code all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-Original Message-
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE
that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would
format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went,
and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are
only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when
doing interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like
how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is
the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it
sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to
the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a
job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE
certified. Sheesh
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use
real world k
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
I agree with you on
this one. For young people trying to get in the field because they are truly
interested in learning and gaining experience, it is hard, and the market sucks
badly. The plus side to that is that orgs can weed out people who talk but can
not walk, if they have the skills themselves to do so (my CTO does
not).
-Original Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:52
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Yeah, well, try being unemployed right now without a cert.
Regardless of the argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an
e-mail today from one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position
they put in the paper. It sucks in the marketplace right
now.
-Original Message-From: Desiree
Herrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 1:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
I
concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to
day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time
working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind
not striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow
me to go to class during business hours. When things in your personal
life start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you
recheck your thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped
me realize it's not so great to work all the time and miss out on real
life.
-Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 1:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
Not at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified
(unless my company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no
nights). That's how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 11:39 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home
today?
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply
for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We
actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;)
?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at
the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find
anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
The
location affects the rate, too. In Las Vegas for $150 an hour, you'd
better be getting a team of people and expect full post party documentation as
well. $525 an hour gets you a backroom at the Spearmint
Rhino.
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Like
I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think
the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking
salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for
benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense
to Don or anyone else.
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I am
not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your
authority to hire him or somebody like
him.
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong
with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate...
:o)
-Original
Message-From: Mal
Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that
we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht,
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site did
you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
W
RE: For Kevin Miller
My 2c I think certification is an unecessary evil. What I have seen in the industry they are only good for getting you in the door as is a Degree. What I dislike is that many of those paper MCSE's or CNE's only place those letter after their name to boost their own nerdy ego. I am certified those diplomas are in a drawer somewhere for when an HR person wants proof. I have been in IT for 15 years and I see more cocky attitudes from young certified people than not. It is a good accomplishment that you took the time to memorize stuff that you probably will not likely use in the real world. What I frown on the majority of the people who get the letters post their diplomas all over the desk are just being assess. You know what yourself worth is what you know and what you do not know there is no need to be tooting your horn with parpers and letters. I would rather someone tell me I do not know but I know how to reasearch a problem if I get stuck I will ask for help. Than someone that hides in that unapproachable, snooty, attitude. We are all humans you can't know everything so stop pretending by putting letters after your name. Miguel Bosseloo Corporate Services Network Engineer Jack Henry & Associates INC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Reminds me of a quote I saw, maybe even on one of these lists (but I couldn't find the post so I can't give credit where it's due), that speaks very succinctly of the way admins work. "Knowledge is not what you know. Knowledge is what you do when you don't know" -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss. There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews. I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime. PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great. John -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: Fo
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
ummm,
the original "cram site" question was about the coveted UCC+WCA
cert. :-)
-Original Message-From:
Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 3:03 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Well
give me some sarcasm tags next time... :P You should know as well
as I do how hard it is to read expressions through email.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:38 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
Main Entry: sar·casm Pronunciation:
'sär-"ka-z&mFunction: noun
2 a : a mode of satirical wit
depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that
is usually directed against an individual b : the use or
language of sarcasm sarcasm>
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a
job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually
use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted
At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the
"certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on
them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else. -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message-From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.
RE: For Kevin Miller
Reminds me of a quote I saw, maybe even on one of these lists (but I couldn't find the post so I can't give credit where it's due), that speaks very succinctly of the way admins work. "Knowledge is not what you know. Knowledge is what you do when you don't know" -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss. There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews. I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime. PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great. John -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message I am not cheap. I wasn’t talking about Don’s worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You're cheap. [1] [2] [1] Chorus: But not easy! [2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ a
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Yeah,
well, try being unemployed right now without a cert. Regardless of the
argument, lotsa companies are wanting certs. I got an e-mail today from
one company that said they got 700+ resumes for 1 position they put in the
paper. It sucks in the marketplace right now.
-Original Message-From: Desiree Herrmann
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I
concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to
day job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time
working when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind not
striving to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow me to
go to class during business hours. When things in your personal life
start taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you recheck
your thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped me realize
it's not so great to work all the time and miss out on real
life.
-Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 1:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
For Kevin Miller
Not at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified
(unless my company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no
nights). That's how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 11:39 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home
today?
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for
a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original Message-From: Ely,
Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We
actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted
At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: RE: For Kevin Miller That was kind of my point. Agreed Matthew Carpenter, IKDNSTFU -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just be objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we enjoy lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it to say, there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that know more. It all depends on who you get. If you do your job interviewing the candidate, shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all MCSE's don't know $hit is asinine. Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND have the title, I think it is worthwhile. BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code all the keyboard and...oh nevermind. PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss. There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews. I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime. PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great. John -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
I
concur, I tried a few years back to do night school, and keep up with day to day
job. I, like many sys admins am salary and spend way too much time working
when I'm not getting reimbursed. This is my reasoning behind not striving
to get certified, unless, the company wants to pay and to allow me to go to
class during business hours. When things in your personal life start
taking a nosedive because of your day job it can really help you recheck your
thinking. Lose someone close to you, that really helped me realize it's
not so great to work all the time and miss out on real life.
-Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 1:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Not
at all. I feel the exact same way. I wont even get certified (unless my
company wants to pay for it AND let me take day classes, no nights). That's
how much of a waste I believe it is at this point in my
career.
-Original Message-From: Bunting, Jeff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
11:39 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a
job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually
use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original Message-From:
Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted
At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the
"certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on
them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just be
objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we enjoy
lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it to say,
there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that know more. It
all depends on who you get. If you do your job interviewing the candidate,
shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all MCSE's don't know $hit is
asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still
valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND
have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his
MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still
looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at
the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always
be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less
plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code
all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-Original Message-
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that
didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard
drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get
them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling
clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing
interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how
do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope
in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the
most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job
that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE
certified. Sheesh
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real
world knowledge that we've learned over the years...
-Original Message-
From: Precht, David [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
S
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
You're
cheap. [1] [2]
[1]
Chorus: But not easy!
[2]
For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a
bargain.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going
rate... :o)
-Original Message-From: Mal Sasalu
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Then you must be
having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be charging J
-Original
Message-From:
Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
And those of us
with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great
sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in
the ground.
-Original
Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
someone leave their
sense of humor at home today?
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
You can keep
thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring
for.
Don
Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
It never matters
HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that
we've learned over the years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht,
David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
what cram site did
you guys use ;) ?
-Original
Message-From: Paul
Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09To: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I got him
certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew
Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
10:08 AMPosted To:
Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin
MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would
you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that
just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find
anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message Not at all. I was talking about finding somebody for less to fix the broke a$$ sh!t on the list. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Something wrong with charging $150 an hour? That's my usual going rate... :o) -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: RE: For Kevin Miller Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND have the title, I think it is worthwhile. BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code all the keyboard and...oh nevermind. PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss. There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews. I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime. PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great. John -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message
Hold
please.
-Original Message-From: Andy David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
quack
-Original Message-From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look
into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn
and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:42 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For
Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's
don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-Original Message-From: Bunting,
Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home
today?
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 2:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply
for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From:
Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never
matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified.
Sheesh
-Original
Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June
05, 2002 12:56 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We
actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-Original
Message-From: Precht, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
June 05, 2002 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;)
?
-Original
Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09To:
MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-Original
Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At:
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To:
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MillerSubject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on
what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at
the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find
anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to
look)
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RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message I had to climb over the wall here at work a few times when I left my keys at home... --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:06 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller If Paul went over the wall, why did you get the "WCA"? And KMAP for that matter? Enquiring minds want to know. -Original Message-From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:51 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Beautiful! -Original Message-From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:48 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller UCC+WCA that would the Urban Computer Commando + Wall Climbing Ability. Paul went over the wall to unlock a Door When we did a network rebuild one night. The WLKMMAS is under development. KMAP-SR is the Kevin Miller Access Protocol. I have a knack for getting into places. See The first sentence. And the M is step a to getting the MOSMWNMTK Yes they are a stab at people who have MCP, MCSE, MCSE+I, A+, N+, CCNA after the name yet ask what does Wins do? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:09 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back? That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss. There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews. I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime. PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great. John -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller someone leave their sense of humor at home today? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years... -Original Message- From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller what cram site did you guys use ;) ? -Original Message- From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server Conversation: For Kevin Miller Subject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: For Kevin Miller
Title: Message If Paul went over the wall, why did you get the "WCA"? And KMAP for that matter? Enquiring minds want to know. -Original Message-From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:51 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller Beautiful! -Original Message-From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:48 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller UCC+WCA that would the Urban Computer Commando + Wall Climbing Ability. Paul went over the wall to unlock a Door When we did a network rebuild one night. The WLKMMAS is under development. KMAP-SR is the Kevin Miller Access Protocol. I have a knack for getting into places. See The first sentence. And the M is step a to getting the MOSMWNMTK Yes they are a stab at people who have MCP, MCSE, MCSE+I, A+, N+, CCNA after the name yet ask what does Wins do? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:09 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: For Kevin Miller I got him certified in UCC+WCA. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AMPosted To: Exchange 2000 ServerConversation: For Kevin MillerSubject: For Kevin Miller Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look) TIA List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
