[expert] Accidentally removed CD1 from urpmi list
Hi, I accidentally removed the Installation CD1 from the urpmi list :-[ . Does anybody know how to RECREATE a working environment for urpmi? Thanks in advance. Best regards /stefano smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 22:42, Vincent Danen wrote: On Wednesday, December 25, 2002, at 10:57 PM, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Some short comings in this statement First it ensures that the only people who can find out how to purchase a boxes set are people who have in the past used MDK... That is exactly right. That is the context of this (Vincent's) message; this is a short term solution, Vincent was not presenting this post as a catch all philosophy for long term growth; it was a gesture to those of us in the community who already have an online relationship with Mandrakesoft. Thanks, Lyvim. You've got the idea right on. I'm not talking about long term at all... would we like to see Mandrake boxes in every Walmart, Best Buy, Future Shop, K-Mart, Zellers, (insert your favourite computer or all-purpose store here)? Absolutely! Will they have it tomorrow? No. Will this help us with the recently posted call to arms? No. Those are all long term goals and while I'm not involved in that aspect of the company, I'm sure these things are being worked on, but those things take time. Time we don't have if our existing user base doesn't step forward. It's great to be thinking long term but, at this point in time, a little premature to think long term and sacrifice the short term. I'm afraid if we concentrated on long term and neglected the short term, there will *be* no long term. So while James made some very good points, they're pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand which is, looking at the subject line, Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft, which is happening *now*... not next year. Hope everyone had a great Christmas! I was commenting on the letter in the thread immediately before me, and if the short term doesn't include the long term (or vice versa ) It can be counter productive. If MDK had a million box sets in the stores right now. Making 5 bucks a crack... would 5 mill help the short term bottom line? Yes I know that it can often be 30 to 60 days before this comes in but this kind of recievable would have possibly prevented the pull out of certain funds MDK was expecting (taken from the website announcement.) I don't wish or desire to denigrate the original letter.. but rather say yes I agree but more is needed for both short and long term success. I want to buy MDK 11.4 (yes I know they never get that high with sub numbers *grin*) I just hope there won't be another crisis like this right after 9.1 comes out, but the pattern is in place. I'm a club member, I buy my disks (not just download them, although I do that while waiting for my disks) I encourage others to buy not download. And right now... I'm tapped. My company is reaching an equally tight cash situation... but then again we are still privately funded with no Angel or Vulture investment. (soon to change) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano I have the same problems on one machine here. And it's again that suckymount at work. I wish they fixed this allready or removed it if they can't make it to work. You can disable it in MCC but you will then have to manualy controll mounting. -- Live long and prosper! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Jure, could you pls list the steps: for disabling in MCC for manually control mounting (do you mean that each time I insert a CD, I should issue [from root :-[ ] a "mount /dev/cdrom" ?) Thanks a lot. Best regards /stefano Jure Repinc wrote: Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows "why" ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano I have the same problems on one machine here. And it's again that suckymount at work. I wish they fixed this allready or removed it if they can't make it to work. You can disable it in MCC but you will then have to manualy controll mounting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[expert] cron smbtar
Hi all , I have asked this question on the newbie list, but have had no luck so far The script below works ok from the command line but when I run it as a cron job, it starts ok, but stops after backing up a few directories. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? is it a bug with cron? btw, I'm using mdk9 and the files being backed up are on an nt server, but have had the same problem backing up an xp box. I had the same problem with drakebackup, tar and cp #!/bin/sh smbtar -s elendil -t /dev/st0 -x stuff1 -v -i -X System\ Volume\ Information mt -f /dev/st0 offline -- regards, Colin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:00pm up 8 days, 3:46, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you. ..registered linux user #223862 .. _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the eject commande.g. eject /dev/hdd depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice..I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Mark, "eject" works. But, I was wondering why the HW button behaves differently in Linux and NT4 (dual boot machine). /stefano Mark Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows "why" ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the "eject" commande.g. "eject /dev/hdd" depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice..I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Accidentally removed CD1 from urpmi list
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:12, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Hi, I accidentally removed the Installation CD1 from the urpmi list :-[ . Does anybody know how to RECREATE a working environment for urpmi? Thanks in advance. Best regards /stefano Sure. You can do this with urpmi add-media, but probably easiest is through the software sources manager in MCC. Just add a new source and make it look like this: URL: removable://mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS Relative path: ../base/hdlist1.cz That's it. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
I have had the same problem in the past myself. I too believe it is a problem with SM. I disable it and then start Kwikdisk. I make sure and save my sessions upon shutting down my system so Kwikdisk starts every time I Login. The mounting CD's (or whatever is as easy as clicking on it in Kwikdisk, poof, mounted. Click again...poof, unmounted. WAY quicker than the command line but even with the CLI, once a command is in bash history, just scrol to it with your up arrow key and re-use the command so you don't have to type it each time. The problem seems to be that with SM enabled and if you are working in the /mnt/cdrom dir., then press the HW eject, SM doesn't like it and immediately overrides the HW eject command, which causes the tray to fly back in. If you change out of that working dir than all should be well, even with SM activated. My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Stefano Pogliani wrote: Mark, eject works. But, I was wondering why the HW button behaves differently in Linux and NT4 (dual boot machine). /stefano Mark Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the eject commande.g. eject /dev/hdd depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice..I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Jason, kwikdisk only shows Harddrives, no CDrom ! All my harddrive partitions, though Another question. How do I disable SuperMount ? TIA /stefano Jason wrote: I have had the same problem in the past myself. I too believe it is a problem with SM. I disable it and then start Kwikdisk. I make sure and save my sessions upon shutting down my system so Kwikdisk starts every time I Login. The mounting CD's (or whatever is as easy as clicking on it in Kwikdisk, poof, mounted. Click again...poof, unmounted. WAY quicker than the command line but even with the CLI, once a command is in bash history, just scrol to it with your up arrow key and re-use the command so you don't have to type it each time. The problem seems to be that with SM enabled and if you are working in the /mnt/cdrom dir., then press the HW eject, SM doesn't like it and immediately overrides the HW eject command, which causes the tray to fly back in. If you change out of that working dir than all should be well, even with SM activated. My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Stefano Pogliani wrote: Mark, "eject" works. But, I was wondering why the HW button behaves differently in Linux and NT4 (dual boot machine). /stefano Mark Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows "why" ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the "eject" command e.g. "eject /dev/hdd" depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice.. I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
AFAIK, Kwikdisk only shows non-SM controlled devices. Go to MCCMount PointsCD Burner/CD RomOptions (click ok) Then uncheck the box that says supermount and check the boxes that say no auto and user. After saving the changes, reboot the system and supermount will be off. Then Kwikdisk should see the drive. Hope this helps. Cheers Jason Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jason, kwikdisk only shows Harddrives, no CDrom ! All my harddrive partitions, though Another question. How do I disable SuperMount ? TIA /stefano Jason wrote: I have had the same problem in the past myself. I too believe it is a problem with SM. I disable it and then start Kwikdisk. I make sure and save my sessions upon shutting down my system so Kwikdisk starts every time I Login. The mounting CD's (or whatever is as easy as clicking on it in Kwikdisk, poof, mounted. Click again...poof, unmounted. WAY quicker than the command line but even with the CLI, once a command is in bash history, just scrol to it with your up arrow key and re-use the command so you don't have to type it each time. The problem seems to be that with SM enabled and if you are working in the /mnt/cdrom dir., then press the HW eject, SM doesn't like it and immediately overrides the HW eject command, which causes the tray to fly back in. If you change out of that working dir than all should be well, even with SM activated. My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Stefano Pogliani wrote: Mark, eject works. But, I was wondering why the HW button behaves differently in Linux and NT4 (dual boot machine). /stefano Mark Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the eject commande.g. eject /dev/hdd depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice..I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] postfix 2.0.0.1
Mulling upgrading to the new postfix release. Happiest case is a new Mandrkae RPM. Simon Mudd has RedHat and SRPMS at http://www.WL0.org/~sjmudd/postfix/en/available-packages/ The Mandrake postfix.spec is ancient. The RedHat8 RPM from Simon may work and rebuilding the SRPM is even more likely. I am more or less disposed to a couple of days of intellectual effort to make a Mandrake 9.0 suitable RPM but there are many things to do and if this effort has been done I would happily more on to other alligators. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Accidentally removed CD1 from urpmi list
Thanks !!! /stefano Brian Parish wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:12, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Hi, I accidentally removed the Installation CD1 from the urpmi list :-[ . Does anybody know how to RECREATE a working environment for urpmi? Thanks in advance. Best regards /stefano Sure. You can do this with urpmi add-media, but probably easiest is through the software sources manager in MCC. Just add a new source and make it look like this: URL: removable://mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS Relative path: ../base/hdlist1.cz That's it. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Hi Stefano, I've discover that if you have a open window that calls indirectly to the cdrom, like if you are seeying (sorry if it's mispelled) the /mnt dir with konqueror, it will close. You just have to close the windows open that calls for the cdrom(or be fast enough to get the CD out :) ). I Think that's the supermount that gives the problem. Hope that this helps. Saludos On Thursday 26 December 2002 05:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano -- Gonzalo Avaria Linux User #297343 (http://counter.li.org) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alumno de Licenciatura en Ciencias Fisicas Facultad de Ciencias Fisicas y Matematicas Universidad de Concepcion No existe mejor educacion que el ejemplo. Aunque sea el ejemplo de un monstruo Albert Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB Flashcard Reader problem under 9.0
I see the device in usbview but I cannot figure out how to mount/use it. It is not autodetected on plugin and I don't know where the hotplug error logs are located. What other logs would show usb activities?? /dev/sd does not exist and I was under the impression that it would be generated autmatically if need be. What am I missing?? Cheers Jason PS, I even tried transitmount with no success: http://amphi-gouri.org/transitmount/ Narfi Stefansson wrote: On Wednesday 25 December 2002 18:51, Jason wrote: Hi All, I have a vanilla 9.0 install at work. I plugged an external USB Sony memory stick reader in and poof, mandrake found it and I could mount it with Kwikdisk and view the contents via a link ML made on my desktop (I was duly impressed). Now my problem. I just bought a 6 in 1 (reads memory stick, CF, SM etc.) external USB card reader for use at home. I run cooker at home but I have just done a vanilla 9.0 install on a new HDD. The reader is a Packard Bell and the literature says it is supported on Linux running 2.4 kernels. I tried plugging this reader in at home and on my work laptop and...nothing. ML didn't notice it was plugged in and I cannot get it to work for the life of me. Anyone have any ideas?? Did you look into the logs? Were there messages from hotplug? Did you look at /dev/sd* ? Was it possibly the case that no such device /dev/sd* existed before you plugged your new reader into the USB port and one or more did appear a couple of seconds after you plugged it in? Does usbview show you any device on the USB bus? I know that I can't solve your problem, but maybe these things lead you in the right direction. Narfi. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jure, could you pls list the steps: 1. for disabling in MCC 2. for manually control mounting (do you mean that each time I insert a CD, I should issue [from root :-[ ] a mount /dev/cdrom ?) Nah! Just use kdf (Applications - Monitoring - KDiskFree) to do all your mounting and unmounting by just clicking on the right line.For KDE, leave the kdf window up all the time by giving it its own desktop called Mount. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] troels... now updated to use ftp.sunet.se server. See: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
I find Kwikdisk better (it sits in the systray) and you can activate KDF from it as well. Cheers Jason Ron Stodden wrote: Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jure, could you pls list the steps: 1. for disabling in MCC 2. for manually control mounting (do you mean that each time I insert a CD, I should issue [from root :-[ ] a mount /dev/cdrom ?) Nah! Just use kdf (Applications - Monitoring - KDiskFree) to do all your mounting and unmounting by just clicking on the right line.For KDE, leave the kdf window up all the time by giving it its own desktop called Mount. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /stefano Ron Stodden wrote: Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jure, could you pls list the steps: 1. for disabling in MCC 2. for manually control mounting (do you mean that each time I insert a CD, I should issue [from root :-[ ] a mount /dev/cdrom ?) Nah! Just use kdf (Applications - Monitoring - KDiskFree) to do all your mounting and unmounting by just clicking on the right line.For KDE, leave the kdf window up all the time by giving it its own desktop called Mount. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Small speed increase
On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:29:03PM +0100, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: I need to improve my box speed a bit because I can't watch divx well (the skip only a bit). Will I obtain a 5-8% speed improvement if I recompile kernel 2.4.20 (from kernel.org plus http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ patches) and xfree 4.2? try first maybe to enable dma in /etc/modules.conf and to set the resolution to a minimum. would be supprised if you'd get a significant performance boost by (re-?)compiling the kernel. have phun ;) miLosh -- DONT ATTACK IRAQ !!! this message was sent by: +--+ |.::|[ The pleXus Network ]|::.| +--+ www:plexus.shacknet.nu | ftp:plexus.shacknet.nu +---+ irc:plexus.shacknet.nu:6667 channel: #plexus | +--+---+ pub 1024D/C944D699 miLosh (pleXus) [EMAIL PROTECTED] \_ Key fingerprint = 18FB 24BA 77A8 813F 6A8C F67B C08C 5A76 C944 D699 \ +--+ msg63302/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
Stefano, I've got one of these on a box we use for test installs. It's done it on everything from MDK to RH through SuSe. Any time I use the eject command I have to have one hand immediately there to grab the tray. I'm convinced the only cure is dropping this dang thing out a window. James On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 00:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why my CD does not want to get out ?
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 05:05, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jason, kwikdisk only shows Harddrives, no CDrom ! All my harddrive partitions, though Another question. How do I disable SuperMount ? supermount disable. will disable all of it's mount points... supermount /mnt/cdrom disable will do just the cdrom James TIA /stefano Jason wrote: I have had the same problem in the past myself. I too believe it is a problem with SM. I disable it and then start Kwikdisk. I make sure and save my sessions upon shutting down my system so Kwikdisk starts every time I Login. The mounting CD's (or whatever is as easy as clicking on it in Kwikdisk, poof, mounted. Click again...poof, unmounted. WAY quicker than the command line but even with the CLI, once a command is in bash history, just scrol to it with your up arrow key and re-use the command so you don't have to type it each time. The problem seems to be that with SM enabled and if you are working in the /mnt/cdrom dir., then press the HW eject, SM doesn't like it and immediately overrides the HW eject command, which causes the tray to fly back in. If you change out of that working dir than all should be well, even with SM activated. My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Stefano Pogliani wrote: Mark, eject works. But, I was wondering why the HW button behaves differently in Linux and NT4 (dual boot machine). /stefano Mark Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:15, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am experimenting a strange issue. No problem in inserting a CD into its bay for reading it. When I need to remove it (to insert another one) and I press the HW eject button, the CD tray gets out and IMMEDIATELY gets in again, making it a real adventure to extract the CD itself (fighting with the tray) Anybody knows why ? Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /Stefano 1/ Just guessing here, make sure that you have changed out of your CD dir e.g. /mnt/cdrom to say / 2/ Have you ever tried the eject commande.g. eject /dev/hdd depending where your CD is. Plus I hate the eject button on the CD-roms I don't how many times I have pressed that button twice..I just about never use the umount command after I have discovered the eject command. Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 01:15 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
[...]
So while James made some very good points, they're pretty much
irrelevant to the topic at hand which is, looking at the subject line,
Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft, which is happening *now*... not
next year.
Hope everyone had a great Christmas!
I was commenting on the letter in the thread immediately before me, and
if the short term doesn't include the long term (or vice versa ) It can
be counter productive. If MDK had a million box sets in the stores
right now. Making 5 bucks a crack... would 5 mill help the short term
bottom line? Yes I know that it can often be 30 to 60 days before this
Yes, but you're still missing the point, James. I don't know if there
*are* a million boxed sets in stores right now. Sure $5M would be
helpful, it would be excellent! But if those boxes aren't there
*today*, I fail to see how this helps us get to the point where we will
be putting that number of boxes on store shelves.
comes in but this kind of recievable would have possibly prevented the
pull out of certain funds MDK was expecting (taken from the website
announcement.) I don't wish or desire to denigrate the original
letter..
I don't know about a pull-out of funds. It's been postponed/delayed
according to the website announcement, not retracted or cancelled.
but rather say yes I agree but more is needed for both short and
long term success. I want to buy MDK 11.4 (yes I know they never get
that high with sub numbers *grin*) I just hope there won't be another
crisis like this right after 9.1 comes out, but the pattern is in
place. I'm a club member, I buy my disks (not just download them,
although I do that while waiting for my disks) I encourage others to
buy
not download. And right now... I'm tapped. My company is reaching an
equally tight cash situation... but then again we are still
privately funded with no Angel or Vulture investment. (soon to change)
And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if
we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that
aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is
perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but
you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths
and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro
to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there
don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use
Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the
same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or
who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking.
I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one
ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this.
Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think
the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and
I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire
philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not.
At any rate, I don't think there is much value in debating/discussing
this further. The real value is for people to step up and do something
to keep their distribution alive. That's right... *their*
distribution; it isn't our distro. It's *your* distro. We have opened
the process so much that almost anyone can put their mark on the distro
it is, essentially, a community distribution that we just maintain and
put the nuts and bolts on. If having that kind of distribution is
important to people, I trust they put their money into it to ensure
it's survival.
I don't want to sit here and become an evangelist for Mandrake...
that's not my job. But I do feel that certain things need to be
understood about how all of this works.
I also don't want anyone to feel we are neglecting the long term for
the sake of the short term as that is not the case at all.
I've said enough on this particular thread. I think it's time to have
actions speak instead of words.
Thanks.
--
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[expert] Possible Hack? -- Change in Suid Root files found
Guy Gals, I need help. Something went whacko with eth0 and with my system just before my nightly cron job ran and I got a lot of weird messages in my log files. I don't know if this was a successful hack or if it was just a noral response from the system after eth0 went bonkers. The log entries are as follows: Dec 26 03:54:01 Nemesis kernel: eth0: Tx hung, 2256843 vs. 2256833. Dec 26 03:54:01 Nemesis kernel: eth0: PNIC2 transmit timed out, status e400, CSR6/7 0100c000 / ebff CSR12 90ce, resetting... Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis CROND[22621]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/security.sh) Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis CROND[22622]: (root) CMD ( /sbin/rmmod -as) Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis kernel: smb_get_length: recv error = 5 Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis kernel: smb_request: result -5, setting invalid Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Change in Suid Root files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/mount Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/ping Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/su Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/umount Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/dump Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/linuxconf Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/pwdb_chkpwd Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/restore Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/unix_chkpwd Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Changes in Suid Group files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/dump Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/netreport Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/restore Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Change in World Writeable Files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.ICE-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.X11-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.font-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.font-unix/fs-1 Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432 Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : I understand that the eth0 PNIC2 error is from my tulip driver, but I haven't seen this error in the 2 years this box has been running. I have never seen the kernel smb errors. What concerns me is the Change in Suid Root files found. I haven't changed a thing on this LM 7.2 box for a long time. This is the first time I have seen this Security Warning and I am concerned I may have been hacked. Has anyone else seen something like this? Does it look like a hack? Where can I get a good check root kit package? Any help will be greatly appreciated. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Possible Hack? -- Change in Suid Root files found
On Thursday 26 December 2002 02:20 pm, you wrote: Guy Gals, I need help. Something went whacko with eth0 and with my system just before my nightly cron job ran and I got a lot of weird messages in my log files. I don't know if this was a successful hack or if it was just a noral response from the system after eth0 went bonkers. The log entries are as follows: Dec 26 03:54:01 Nemesis kernel: eth0: Tx hung, 2256843 vs. 2256833. Dec 26 03:54:01 Nemesis kernel: eth0: PNIC2 transmit timed out, status e400, CSR6/7 0100c000 / ebff CSR12 90ce, resetting... Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis CROND[22621]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/security.sh) Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis CROND[22622]: (root) CMD ( /sbin/rmmod -as) Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis kernel: smb_get_length: recv error = 5 Dec 26 04:00:00 Nemesis kernel: smb_request: result -5, setting invalid Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Change in Suid Root files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/mount Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/ping Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/su Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /bin/umount Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/dump Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/linuxconf Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/pwdb_chkpwd Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/restore Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid root files : /sbin/unix_chkpwd Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Changes in Suid Group files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/dump Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/netreport Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed suid group files : /sbin/restore Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : Security Warning: Change in World Writeable Files found : Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.ICE-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.X11-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.font-unix Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.font-unix/fs-1 Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : - Removed writables files : /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432 Dec 26 04:00:15 Nemesis : I understand that the eth0 PNIC2 error is from my tulip driver, but I haven't seen this error in the 2 years this box has been running. I have never seen the kernel smb errors. What concerns me is the Change in Suid Root files found. I haven't changed a thing on this LM 7.2 box for a long time. This is the first time I have seen this Security Warning and I am concerned I may have been hacked. Has anyone else seen something like this? Does it look like a hack? Where can I get a good check root kit package? Any help will be greatly appreciated. You can get the latest version of chkrootkit here: http://www.chkrootkit.org/ Good Luck Mike ~ Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Thu Dec 26 14:36:21 EST 2002 2:36pm up 1 day, 18:01, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.10, 0.02 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Well, even though I can't really afford it right now,, you have convinced me
to join the club for a year (well see after that.) I've bought powerpacks
from mandrakestore before, and I will purchase 9.1 the same way..
Thats as much as I can do right now...
$120 AUD a year is quiet alot of money to pay.. would be double that for
the silver member..
if only the AU dollar was worth something..
rgds
Frank
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Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 2:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 01:15 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
[...]
So while James made some very good points, they're pretty much
irrelevant to the topic at hand which is, looking at the subject line,
Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft, which is happening *now*... not
next year.
Hope everyone had a great Christmas!
I was commenting on the letter in the thread immediately before me, and
if the short term doesn't include the long term (or vice versa ) It can
be counter productive. If MDK had a million box sets in the stores
right now. Making 5 bucks a crack... would 5 mill help the short term
bottom line? Yes I know that it can often be 30 to 60 days before this
Yes, but you're still missing the point, James. I don't know if there
*are* a million boxed sets in stores right now. Sure $5M would be
helpful, it would be excellent! But if those boxes aren't there
*today*, I fail to see how this helps us get to the point where we will
be putting that number of boxes on store shelves.
comes in but this kind of recievable would have possibly prevented the
pull out of certain funds MDK was expecting (taken from the website
announcement.) I don't wish or desire to denigrate the original
letter..
I don't know about a pull-out of funds. It's been postponed/delayed
according to the website announcement, not retracted or cancelled.
but rather say yes I agree but more is needed for both short and
long term success. I want to buy MDK 11.4 (yes I know they never get
that high with sub numbers *grin*) I just hope there won't be another
crisis like this right after 9.1 comes out, but the pattern is in
place. I'm a club member, I buy my disks (not just download them,
although I do that while waiting for my disks) I encourage others to
buy
not download. And right now... I'm tapped. My company is reaching an
equally tight cash situation... but then again we are still
privately funded with no Angel or Vulture investment. (soon to change)
And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if
we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that
aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is
perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but
you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths
and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro
to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there
don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use
Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the
same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or
who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking.
I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one
ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this.
Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think
the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and
I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire
philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not.
At any rate, I don't think there is much value in debating/discussing
this further. The real value is for people to step up and do something
to keep their distribution alive. That's right... *their*
distribution; it isn't our distro. It's *your* distro. We have opened
the process so much that almost anyone can put their mark on the distro
it is, essentially, a community distribution that we just maintain and
put the nuts and bolts on. If having that kind of distribution is
important to people, I trust they put their money into it to ensure
it's survival.
I don't want to sit here and become an evangelist for Mandrake...
that's not my job. But I do feel that certain things need to be
understood about how all of this works.
I also don't want anyone to feel we are neglecting the long term for
the sake of the short term as that is not the case at all.
I've said enough on this particular thread. I think it's time to have
actions speak instead of words.
Thanks.
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[expert] anyone have Hp 820cse working in MDK9?
Hi all , quick question, does anyone have a hp 820cse working in mandrake 9.0 ? I had my working when I first installed MDK 9 but it won't work now . I know it still works as i moved it to another box ( 98lite ) and it works fine. I did the usual updates ( no cooker ) , maybe this broke it ? since it's my only printer, I would like to get it working in 9.0 , especially now that I have everything else working well in 9.0. any help is greatly appreciated. -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ° Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 8.0 kernel 2.4.3-20; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Registered Linux User #248955 ° If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cron smbtar
Argh, another broken reply-to... (yes, I know it's RFC-compliant to do this... it's also RFC-compliant to have a non-contiguous IPv4 subnet mask and you don't see people doing _that_ little bit of insanity do you?) On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 01:55, Colin Jenkins wrote: Hi all , I have asked this question on the newbie list, but have had no luck so far The script below works ok from the command line but when I run it as a cron job, it starts ok, but stops after backing up a few directories. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? is it a bug with cron? btw, I'm using mdk9 and the files being backed up are on an nt server, but have had the same problem backing up an xp box. I had the same problem with drakebackup, tar and cp #!/bin/sh smbtar -s elendil -t /dev/st0 -x stuff1 -v -i -X System\ Volume\ Information mt -f /dev/st0 offline usually this sort of error is due to differing environment or permissions. If it's a user's crontab ($crontab -e) then you need to su to that user and debug from there. If it's root's crontab (#vi /etc/crontab) then make sure root can run it from command line. Another possibility is that the network is fine when you're debugging, but congested by other traffic when your cron job runs. Try doing something less sensitive to network issues, like rsync'ing to a temp directory a couple of times, then tar'ing that temp directory to the tape. -- regards, Colin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:00pm up 8 days, 3:46, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you. ..registered linux user #223862 .. _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Small speed increase
Ok, I'll lower the res (I already have dma on). What about an xfree recompile for i686? Thanks Olaf At 18.24 26/12/2002, you wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:29:03PM +0100, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: I need to improve my box speed a bit because I can't watch divx well (the skip only a bit). Will I obtain a 5-8% speed improvement if I recompile kernel 2.4.20 (from kernel.org plus http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ patches) and xfree 4.2? try first maybe to enable dma in /etc/modules.conf and to set the resolution to a minimum. would be supprised if you'd get a significant performance boost by (re-?)compiling the kernel. olaf@ kjws.com for every kind of mail, except spam! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Stable video card
Does anyone have any experience with the Voodoo 2? I am trying to get one working with mdk9. Brian From: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Stable video card Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:38:38 +1100 Jack Coates wrote: Voodoos are good, but I've had overheating problems with mine -- there's also a lot of outdated documentation out there that can really help you screw it up :-) I run my AGP Voodoo3 3000 with a little 5 volt fan (any computer shop) attached to the heat sink with cable ties, blowing on to the heat sink. Sink and fan are the same length and width and all the holes line up for the ties. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] troels... now updated to use ftp.sunet.se server. See: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Stable video card
I haven't but when I had trouble with my SIS card (in a laptop), I ran Knoppix (which configured it correctly) and then copied the XF86Config and XF86Config-4 files over to Mandrake and it worked perfect. Knoppix works great as a diagnostic tool I find. If it doesn't find and configure your hardware then you must have a pretty strange beast as I have yet to see it fail. Just an idea. Cheers Jason Brian Schroeder wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Voodoo 2? I am trying to get one working with mdk9. Brian From: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Stable video card Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:38:38 +1100 Jack Coates wrote: Voodoos are good, but I've had overheating problems with mine -- there's also a lot of outdated documentation out there that can really help you screw it up :-) I run my AGP Voodoo3 3000 with a little 5 volt fan (any computer shop) attached to the heat sink with cable ties, blowing on to the heat sink. Sink and fan are the same length and width and all the holes line up for the ties. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] troels... now updated to use ftp.sunet.se server. See: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] perl 5.8.0 is broke on mdk 9 ?
perl runs ok, but I have been unsuccessful in installing ANY CPAN module. i know how to, it is just that for one reason or another the modules never compile, and stuff it ought to be able to find it doesn't. Should I just uninstall the perl rpm and then install perl from perl.org? -- -- sillema sillema nika su -- Value Freedom (Linux) -- not Tyranny (Microsoft) Linux Registered User 275424 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Accidentally removed CD1 from urpmi list
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:12, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Hi, I accidentally removed the Installation CD1 from the urpmi list :-[ . Does anybody know how to RECREATE a working environment for urpmi? Thanks in advance. Best regards /stefano You might also want to take a look at http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] perl 5.8.0 is broke on mdk 9 ?
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 14:42, jerry wrote: perl runs ok, but I have been unsuccessful in installing ANY CPAN module. i know how to, it is just that for one reason or another the modules never compile, and stuff it ought to be able to find it doesn't. Haven't had any problems... are you using good mirrors? Maybe the data is corrupt? Should I just uninstall the perl rpm and then install perl from perl.org? Not a bad idea if you intend to do a lot of CPAN-ing. It's another case of two different authorities defining what's right for the same software -- if you do a lot of CPAN, sooner or later you'll overwrite something that is controlled by an RPM and get difficulties that are tough to troubleshoot; or install an RPM that overwrites a CPAN file with simiar results. -- -- sillema sillema nika su -- Value Freedom (Linux) -- not Tyranny (Microsoft) Linux Registered User 275424 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK 7.2 cds?
Anyone there with MDK 7.2 cds available? A client machine was hacked and I need to restore the packages again. Unfortunately net-tools, procps, etc. aren't available as updates. I didn't find any useful link googling. Anyone there with the packages online that could let me download the necessary ones? Or a ftp site with old distributions? Regards, -- Ruben Olague msg63317/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] MDK 7.2 cds?
found it! thnx anyway. -- Ruben Olague msg63318/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
hi all, christmas has maxed out my cc but as soon as i make a payment i'll take out a silver membership long live mandrake!!! 9.0 has blown me away I used 8 for a long time up untill about a month ago and thought that was good but w 9.0 ROCKS can't wait for 10.0 jason Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 7.2 cds?
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:16:58 -0600 Ruben Olague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: found it! thnx anyway. For others who may need rpms from/for older versions of Mandrake or even the ISOs you can use this link to select a mirror. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftptmp/1040946720.c10673d77d85f324f2cd02ede2b45b63.php#older The link should be all 1 line with no spaces Charles I got everybody to pay up front...then I blew up their planet. Now why didn't I think of that? -- Post Bros. Comics -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
No one has mentioned the share option yet, I'm taking this up, its less than market value and you might even get your money back. JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
What are the Mandrake shares looking like right now? And why is Mandrake so disinterested in raising revenue out of Europe and North America. I swear I have emailed Mandrake 15 times asking how I can pay for a club membership - not ONE reply!! I am beginning to suspect that Mandrake is not too fussed about their financial health.. Shame really - I really like Mandrake! -Original Message- From: J. Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft No one has mentioned the share option yet, I'm taking this up, its less than market value and you might even get your money back. JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Hi Vincent, And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking. I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this. Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not. I noticed this issue, it is confounded by the fact that mdkstore releases are upto 1 month after the free (as in beer) downloads that I often have to take (even though i have an order in the post). Others might just not bother with the purchase of a box set if they download it, i've downloaded ISO's for several releases. If mdk can either speed up the release of cds in the shop or delay the ISO download release they can make 20% more cash I am sure. Please pass on my ideas Regards and happy new year JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
too right - I just gave up waiting around for Mandrake to make it easy for them to receive $$$ and just stuck with the download version - because by the time it finally arrives in Australia it's probably out of date anyway. And I never received a reply to my 15 or so emails regarding Mandrake Club and how to pay for it from Australia either. Mandrake really need to try harder if they want to remain financially healthy (indeed I hope they still are!) -Original Message- From: J. Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:10 PM To: Vincent Danen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft Hi Vincent, And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking. I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this. Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not. I noticed this issue, it is confounded by the fact that mdkstore releases are upto 1 month after the free (as in beer) downloads that I often have to take (even though i have an order in the post). Others might just not bother with the purchase of a box set if they download it, i've downloaded ISO's for several releases. If mdk can either speed up the release of cds in the shop or delay the ISO download release they can make 20% more cash I am sure. Please pass on my ideas Regards and happy new year JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 17:39, J. Grant wrote: snip I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this. Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not. I noticed this issue, it is confounded by the fact that mdkstore releases are upto 1 month after the free (as in beer) downloads that I often have to take (even though i have an order in the post). Others might just not bother with the purchase of a box set if they download it, i've downloaded ISO's for several releases. I really don't get a warm fuzzy feeling from glossy cardboard boxes, fancy silkscreening on the CD, or enough paper documentation to slap the nearest MCSE silly with... I'll be downloading ISOs or buying burned ISOs from cheapbytes.com exclusively. I am perfectly willing to accept a rate-limited download though, which might help with the bandwidth cost. If mdk can either speed up the release of cds in the shop or delay the ISO download release they can make 20% more cash I am sure. I really think they need to improve the icon set, I'm sure that a flashier default icon set would improve cash flow by 14.6562144% in the first three months (not including February in this analysis) :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cron smbtar
is it really broken? The reply-to should not be changed/added by the
list. It is the mdk config problem I believe.
JG
Jack Coates wrote:
Argh, another broken reply-to... (yes, I know it's RFC-compliant to do
this... it's also RFC-compliant to have a non-contiguous IPv4 subnet
mask and you don't see people doing _that_ little bit of insanity do
you?)
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 01:55, Colin Jenkins wrote:
Hi all ,
I have asked this question on the newbie list, but have had no luck so
far
The script below works ok from the command line but when I run it as a
cron job, it starts ok, but stops after backing up a few directories.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? is it a bug with cron?
btw, I'm using mdk9 and the files being backed up are on an nt server,
but have had the same problem backing up an xp box.
I had the same problem with drakebackup, tar and cp
#!/bin/sh
smbtar -s elendil -t /dev/st0 -x stuff1 -v -i -X System\ Volume\ Information
mt -f /dev/st0 offline
usually this sort of error is due to differing environment or
permissions. If it's a user's crontab ($crontab -e) then you need to su
to that user and debug from there. If it's root's crontab (#vi
/etc/crontab) then make sure root can run it from command line.
Another possibility is that the network is fine when you're debugging,
but congested by other traffic when your cron job runs. Try doing
something less sensitive to network issues, like rsync'ing to a temp
directory a couple of times, then tar'ing that temp directory to the
tape.
--
regards,
Colin
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Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
2.27 €, but they are selling for 2.2 to us :) anyway i emailed them, they replied asking for my name, that was the last I have heard. perhaps the amount I wanted was not enough, but then asking users for support is never going to generate 300K €. JG Mcleod, Ian wrote: What are the Mandrake shares looking like right now? And why is Mandrake so disinterested in raising revenue out of Europe and North America. I swear I have emailed Mandrake 15 times asking how I can pay for a club membership - not ONE reply!! I am beginning to suspect that Mandrake is not too fussed about their financial health.. Shame really - I really like Mandrake! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
What's the share price history like? -Original Message- From: J. Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft 2.27 €, but they are selling for 2.2 to us :) anyway i emailed them, they replied asking for my name, that was the last I have heard. perhaps the amount I wanted was not enough, but then asking users for support is never going to generate 300K €. JG Mcleod, Ian wrote: What are the Mandrake shares looking like right now? And why is Mandrake so disinterested in raising revenue out of Europe and North America. I swear I have emailed Mandrake 15 times asking how I can pay for a club membership - not ONE reply!! I am beginning to suspect that Mandrake is not too fussed about their financial health.. Shame really - I really like Mandrake! File: message.footer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] two sound cards
I had to do much research on the matter. But, Now I play music in one sound card while doing SSTV in the second sound card simultaneously. SSTV, or Slow Scan TV, is an Amateur Radio thing which requires a decent sound card. How about that for a cool hack on Mandrake 9.0? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cron smbtar
rant This is a religion issue, really. I usually try to avoid those and live quietly with my choices, but this one bugs me because it causes either needlessly duplicated mail or replies to questions to be unpublished/unarchived. The RFCs for mailing lists and many MUA authors/contributors feel that mailing lists should not munge REPLY-TO because the end-user and MUA set it and no other authority should be able to override that desire. The administrators of and frequent contributors to mailing lists love reply-to munging because it prevents needless duplication of mail and helps to keep discussion threads in the mailing list, where they can be archived and publicly posted. On the one hand: pedantically correct behavior; on the other: rule-bending for the sake of practical usage. The pedantics will rightly point out that workarounds exist. In order to avoid seeing the needless duplication of email, simply have every user of the mailing list set up their own Unix mail server where they can install procmail and configure it to find and delete duplicated email. In order to make sure that everything is archived simply instruct all list users to always use reply-all, at which point another set of people is going to get upset because they're getting duplicate messages, at which point everyone else flames them for not have their own Unix mail server and procmail setup :-) The best solution? Removing reply-to functionality from MUAs is tempting but impractical; even though it is almost an anachronism in today's world of ubiquitous email services, those who rely on it do rely on it. Removing reply-to munging from MLM software would represent a pretty ugly choice for the reasons above. (Hmm, in light of the ongoing discussion of Mandrake's money problems, would they be happy about a two-fold increase in the amount of email traffic? I know I wouldn't be.) Changing the standard so that MLMs are allowed to munge reply-to but MTAs are still prohibited? Sounds reasonable to me, and no one has yet given me a valid reason not to (which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist). So in my opinion, it is not mdk's config which is broken, but rather the standard which they are rightly not adhering to; just as, in my original example, anyone who fully adheres to the IP RFC's subnet mask guidelines needs to have their head examined. /rant Jack On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 17:51, J. Grant wrote: is it really broken? The reply-to should not be changed/added by the list. It is the mdk config problem I believe. JG Jack Coates wrote: Argh, another broken reply-to... (yes, I know it's RFC-compliant to do this... it's also RFC-compliant to have a non-contiguous IPv4 subnet mask and you don't see people doing _that_ little bit of insanity do you?) On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 01:55, Colin Jenkins wrote: Hi all , I have asked this question on the newbie list, but have had no luck so far The script below works ok from the command line but when I run it as a cron job, it starts ok, but stops after backing up a few directories. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? is it a bug with cron? btw, I'm using mdk9 and the files being backed up are on an nt server, but have had the same problem backing up an xp box. I had the same problem with drakebackup, tar and cp #!/bin/sh smbtar -s elendil -t /dev/st0 -x stuff1 -v -i -X System\ Volume\ Information mt -f /dev/st0 offline usually this sort of error is due to differing environment or permissions. If it's a user's crontab ($crontab -e) then you need to su to that user and debug from there. If it's root's crontab (#vi /etc/crontab) then make sure root can run it from command line. Another possibility is that the network is fine when you're debugging, but congested by other traffic when your cron job runs. Try doing something less sensitive to network issues, like rsync'ing to a temp directory a couple of times, then tar'ing that temp directory to the tape. -- regards, Colin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:00pm up 8 days, 3:46, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you. ..registered linux user #223862 .. _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
STFW. http://fr.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MAKE.PAd=c On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:08, Mcleod, Ian wrote: What's the share price history like? -Original Message- From: J. Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft 2.27 , but they are selling for 2.2 to us :) anyway i emailed them, they replied asking for my name, that was the last I have heard. perhaps the amount I wanted was not enough, but then asking users for support is never going to generate 300K . JG Mcleod, Ian wrote: What are the Mandrake shares looking like right now? And why is Mandrake so disinterested in raising revenue out of Europe and North America. I swear I have emailed Mandrake 15 times asking how I can pay for a club membership - not ONE reply!! I am beginning to suspect that Mandrake is not too fussed about their financial health.. Shame really - I really like Mandrake! File: message.footer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] two sound cards
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 20:05, Tom wrote: I had to do much research on the matter. But, Now I play music in one sound card while doing SSTV in the second sound card simultaneously. SSTV, or Slow Scan TV, is an Amateur Radio thing which requires a decent sound card. How about that for a cool hack on Mandrake 9.0? so, you gonna tell how?? :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Mcleod, Ian wrote: too right - I just gave up waiting around for Mandrake to make it easy for them to receive $$$ and just stuck with the download version - because by the time it finally arrives in Australia it's probably out of date anyway. And I never received a reply to my 15 or so emails regarding Mandrake Club and how to pay for it from Australia either. Mandrake really need to try harder if they want to remain financially healthy (indeed I hope they still are!) There are links to Mandrake Club all over the site, including on the Downloads page and the header of the main page: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ Following one of those links will take you to the introductory Club page for not-logged-in viewers: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/ In the introduction at the top of that page is a link to join: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/ On that page are links to information and buttons to join at various levels, one of which might bring you to this page: http://mandrakesecure.com/storev2/pay.php Where Australia is on the list of countries 'shipped to'. I use a Visa bankcard for my transactions. I have seen mention of 'cheques' on these pages (international money order?) and Pay Pal. A 'voluntary contributions' page that predates the club but is not actively promoted is available to anyone who spends nothing to get the distro they use and want to support it monetarily: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/donations/ There is nothing free about what it takes to develop the isos on those servers, the infrastructure that houses that development, that hosts this list. If anybody here is still laboring under the misconception that they are entitled to a free download because of the GPL ought to take a close look at the text: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost. Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on. .http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
I have looked at the sites, etc - they don't accept American Express (not that I blame them - I can't wait to get rid of Amex - they are such greedy bastards and no vendor will touch them anymore - anywhere - people scoff at me when I pull out the Amex). I never received a reply to that. Internationally from Australia one is looking at bank fees, horrific delays and all sorts of stuffing around one doesn't need to send money overseas. That and the fact that in Australian currency (we are a deluded farming nation that thinks agriculture is the way of the future - hence our currency devaluation) - it becomes quite expensive (double in price) - so I asked them to look at a local Australian contact or 'point of presence'. Never received a reply to that either.. -Original Message- From: Rolf Pedersen [mailto: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft Mcleod, Ian wrote: too right - I just gave up waiting around for Mandrake to make it easy for them to receive $$$ and just stuck with the download version - because by the time it finally arrives in Australia it's probably out of date anyway. And I never received a reply to my 15 or so emails regarding Mandrake Club and how to pay for it from Australia either. Mandrake really need to try harder if they want to remain financially healthy (indeed I hope they still are!) There are links to Mandrake Club all over the site, including on the Downloads page and the header of the main page: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ Following one of those links will take you to the introductory Club page for not-logged-in viewers: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/ In the introduction at the top of that page is a link to join: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/ On that page are links to information and buttons to join at various levels, one of which might bring you to this page: http://mandrakesecure.com/storev2/pay.php Where Australia is on the list of countries 'shipped to'. I use a Visa bankcard for my transactions. I have seen mention of 'cheques' on these pages (international money order?) and Pay Pal. A 'voluntary contributions' page that predates the club but is not actively promoted is available to anyone who spends nothing to get the distro they use and want to support it monetarily: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/donations/ There is nothing free about what it takes to develop the isos on those servers, the infrastructure that houses that development, that hosts this list. If anybody here is still laboring under the misconception that they are entitled to a free download because of the GPL ought to take a close look at the text: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost. Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on. .http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] free (as in beer)
What does this mean and why do I keep seeing it in connection with any discussion of Linux?.free (as in beer)? Thanks, Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] free (as in beer)
On Thursday 26 December 2002 11:41 pm, you wrote: What does this mean and why do I keep seeing it in connection with any discussion of Linux?.free (as in beer)? Thanks, Rob With free beer comes irresponsibility, with free software comes responsibility. Mike ~ Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Thu Dec 26 23:57:32 EST 2002 11:57pm up 2 days, 3:23, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] free (as in beer)
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 20:41, rob wrote: What does this mean and why do I keep seeing it in connection with any discussion of Linux?.free (as in beer)? Thanks, Rob I'm not an expert on licensing, but since the experts are still recovering from all that spiked eggnog... Free as in Freedom = you can do whatever you want with this product. Ultimate expression is probably BSD license, followed by all sorts of derivatives like MPL and PAL and APL, followed by GPL (since it explicity says what you have to do upon distribution, it is less free). Free as in Beer = you may use a copy of this product without giving the producer any money. Lite versions of shareware, adware, and market-seeding efforts like MSIE go here. Imagine a Venn diagram of these two circles, with freely downloaded distributions of open source operating systems in the overlap area, and you've got a pretty big swath of the software world. Surround it with an ocean of software that isn't free in any sense, and then imagine it as a very thin horizontal layer. Below it is a bottomless pit of mud and broken machinery, which is old software. Above it is a nebulous sky of things that might someday be possible. That's the entire software world -- Pythagoras, eat your heart out :-) Still got plenty of eggnog here, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] free (as in beer)
On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 15:41, rob wrote: What does this mean and why do I keep seeing it in connection with any discussion of Linux?.free (as in beer)? When discussing Free Software, you will often hear free used in two ways. Free (as in beer) and Free (as in speech). Free (as in beer) means no cost. Free Beer! Yeeehh Free (as in speech) is best described in this excerpt from the Free Software Foundation web site: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software: * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. I hope this answers your immediate question. You may want to do a bit more reading about Free Software at the GNU/Free Software Foundation website as mentioned above to understand more about the issues. Kind regards, John... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] two sound cards
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 20:14, Jack Coates wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 20:05, Tom wrote: I had to do much research on the matter. But, Now I play music in one sound card while doing SSTV in the second sound card simultaneously. SSTV, or Slow Scan TV, is an Amateur Radio thing which requires a decent sound card. How about that for a cool hack on Mandrake 9.0? so, you gonna tell how?? :-) Jack I agree this hack sounds like one that should be documented for sure. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] free (as in beer)
I think you have had too much egg nog!! Can I have some too??? --- Imagine a Venn diagram of these two circles, with freely downloaded distributions of open source operating systems in the overlap area, and you've got a pretty big swath of the software world. Surround it with an ocean of software that isn't free in any sense, and then imagine it as a very thin horizontal layer. Below it is a bottomless pit of mud and broken machinery, which is old software. Above it is a nebulous sky of things that might someday be possible. That's the entire software world -- Pythagoras, eat your heart out :-) Still got plenty of eggnog here, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 7.2 cds?
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 16:09, Ruben Olague wrote: Anyone there with MDK 7.2 cds available? A client machine was hacked and I need to restore the packages again. Unfortunately net-tools, procps, etc. aren't available as updates. I didn't find any useful link googling. Anyone there with the packages online that could let me download the necessary ones? Or a ftp site with old distributions? Regards, http://mandrake.secsup.org/Mandrake-old/7.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ to get rpms for 7.2 http://mandrake.secsup.org/Mandrake-old/iso/ to grab the iso's James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] free (as in beer)
Simple response. Free = Free from cost or required payment. Free = Freedom and liberty and all that American propaganda we all hear daily around the world - that kind of heart thumping tear welling freedom. One would suspect in this context that many Americans have interpreted their constitutional right to freedom as freedom to consume rather than freedom from oppression - hence now why Americans are the largest consumers per person on the planet (next to Australia where I am from - shamefully). The word freedom is one of the most 'flexible' words in the English language. It once meant 'freedom through community' - not freedom through not giving a flying rat about anyone else. So depending on your personality - you will either interpret GPL as 'freedom from cost' or 'freedom of and through community'. Thankfully - many Linux-heads don't yet seem to have gone down the path the American constitution has - to reinterpret 'freedom' and 'rights' in a self centred narcissistic way. In the Linux sense - Freedom means 'freedom of expression and community' and that's what keeps it all together - and membership of any community involves reciprocation and responsibility. Hence - why Linux-heads can be so pedantic at times over correct ways of doing things and 'open source community standards'. Enforcing standards of quality on others in the community ultimately helps that individual too. That is also why many Linux-heads have absolutely no concern over the commercial exploitation of Linux / open source. As long as the 'community of Linux' remains free and some of that revenue is put back in to the 'community'. -Original Message- From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] free (as in beer) What does this mean and why do I keep seeing it in connection with any discussion of Linux?.free (as in beer)? Thanks, Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
I was just about to try signing up and then got this email... don't they accept credit cards from Australia I bought my 8.1 powerpack about a year or so ago that way, I just assumed the club would work the same way... it doesn't??? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcleod, Ian Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 9:43 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft too right - I just gave up waiting around for Mandrake to make it easy for them to receive $$$ and just stuck with the download version - because by the time it finally arrives in Australia it's probably out of date anyway. And I never received a reply to my 15 or so emails regarding Mandrake Club and how to pay for it from Australia either. Mandrake really need to try harder if they want to remain financially healthy (indeed I hope they still are!) -Original Message- From: J. Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:10 PM To: Vincent Danen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft Hi Vincent, And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking. I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this. Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not. I noticed this issue, it is confounded by the fact that mdkstore releases are upto 1 month after the free (as in beer) downloads that I often have to take (even though i have an order in the post). Others might just not bother with the purchase of a box set if they download it, i've downloaded ISO's for several releases. If mdk can either speed up the release of cds in the shop or delay the ISO download release they can make 20% more cash I am sure. Please pass on my ideas Regards and happy new year JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] perl 5.8.0 is broke on mdk 9 ?
I have a nine machine.. and just as a test.. I installed CGI::Session and HTML::Template on it.. They both went just fine.. (I have a script that uses both running on it now.) The modules sometimes have to be modified for 5.8, it ususally states if its 5.8 ready in the docs somewhere.. (or the search.cpan.org summary screen.) Does mandrake have rpm's of the modules you want?? what about contribs? or plf.. exhaust your rpm options first.. what modules are you having trouble with? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] perl 5.8.0 is broke on mdk 9 ? perl runs ok, but I have been unsuccessful in installing ANY CPAN module. i know how to, it is just that for one reason or another the modules never compile, and stuff it ought to be able to find it doesn't. Should I just uninstall the perl rpm and then install perl from perl.org? -- -- sillema sillema nika su -- Value Freedom (Linux) -- not Tyranny (Microsoft) Linux Registered User 275424 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
maybe they had to lay off the guys that answered the phones and emails :) seriously though, thats the difference between a small efficient business, and one that wants to be but isn't.. If people write in asking questions that will lead to mandrake making money.. you'd think it should be a priority for them to answer wouldn't you??? anything with queries about shareprices or problems with mandrakestore etc should have priority over nearly anything else since they are the revenue streams that mandrake need.. god knows how much income mdk have lost by ignoring such emails.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. Grant Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft 2.27 €, but they are selling for 2.2 to us :) anyway i emailed them, they replied asking for my name, that was the last I have heard. perhaps the amount I wanted was not enough, but then asking users for support is never going to generate 300K €. JG Mcleod, Ian wrote: What are the Mandrake shares looking like right now? And why is Mandrake so disinterested in raising revenue out of Europe and North America. I swear I have emailed Mandrake 15 times asking how I can pay for a club membership - not ONE reply!! I am beginning to suspect that Mandrake is not too fussed about their financial health.. Shame really - I really like Mandrake! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 10:55, Vincent Danen wrote: On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 01:15 AM, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] So while James made some very good points, they're pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand which is, looking at the subject line, Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft, which is happening *now*... not next year. Hope everyone had a great Christmas! I was commenting on the letter in the thread immediately before me, and if the short term doesn't include the long term (or vice versa ) It can be counter productive. If MDK had a million box sets in the stores right now. Making 5 bucks a crack... would 5 mill help the short term bottom line? Yes I know that it can often be 30 to 60 days before this Yes, but you're still missing the point, James. I don't know if there *are* a million boxed sets in stores right now. Oh I do get the point I'm just trying to extend it. BTW went to a local Fry's today (for those who don't know it's an electronics supermarket in California and Texas) They had 30 boxes of RH left and 15 SuSe. The gal working the software section said they got 75 roughly of each ... and of course one lone copy of MDK 8.2... This is why I feel that a million or even 500k isn't out of the question even with a 20% backwash from the channel it's still a healthy total (20% is very very high) Sure $5M would be helpful, it would be excellent! But if those boxes aren't there *today*, I fail to see how this helps us get to the point where we will be putting that number of boxes on store shelves. My point... why aren't they there? Why isn't McMillian pushing them out the door? comes in but this kind of recievable would have possibly prevented the pull out of certain funds MDK was expecting (taken from the website announcement.) I don't wish or desire to denigrate the original letter.. I don't know about a pull-out of funds. It's been postponed/delayed according to the website announcement, not retracted or cancelled. but rather say yes I agree but more is needed for both short and long term success. I want to buy MDK 11.4 (yes I know they never get that high with sub numbers *grin*) I just hope there won't be another crisis like this right after 9.1 comes out, but the pattern is in place. I'm a club member, I buy my disks (not just download them, although I do that while waiting for my disks) I encourage others to buy not download. And right now... I'm tapped. My company is reaching an equally tight cash situation... but then again we are still privately funded with no Angel or Vulture investment. (soon to change) And I thank you for that, James. The issue at this instant in time, if we could freeze on today, is not new users; it's existing users that aren't doing their part (freeloaders if you will). Mandrake Linux is perhaps one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, but you'd never know it in terms of money. One of out greatest strengths and, inevitably, our greatest weaknesses, is allowing the entire distro to be downloaded for nothing. Don't tell me that people out there don't take advantage of this and continue to download ISOs and use Mandrake all over the place without contributing a dime. These are the same people who will whine and complain if Mandrake ceases to exist, or who currently scream and yell if something doesn't work to their liking. I don't know. Maybe we need to go with SuSE's model and allow a one ISO demo a few months after release to prevent people from doing this. Then again, who wants to see Mandrake become another SuSE? I think the fact that Mandrake does this is, again, it's greatest strength and I'd hate to see that change as I think it would change the entire philosophy of the company. So is that really an option? I hope not. At any rate, I don't think there is much value in debating/discussing this further. The real value is for people to step up and do something to keep their distribution alive. That's right... *their* distribution; it isn't our distro. It's *your* distro. We have opened the process so much that almost anyone can put their mark on the distro it is, essentially, a community distribution that we just maintain and put the nuts and bolts on. If having that kind of distribution is important to people, I trust they put their money into it to ensure it's survival. I don't want to sit here and become an evangelist for Mandrake... that's not my job. But I do feel that certain things need to be understood about how all of this works. I also don't want anyone to feel we are neglecting the long term for the sake of the short term as that is not the case at all. I've said enough on this particular thread. I think it's time to have actions speak instead of words. Thanks. -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ lynx
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 14:13 +0800, Franki wrote: If people write in asking questions that will lead to mandrake making money.. you'd think it should be a priority for them to answer wouldn't you??? anything with queries about shareprices or problems with mandrakestore etc should have priority over nearly anything else since they are the revenue streams that mandrake need.. god knows how much income mdk have lost by ignoring such emails.. Now you got me really curious. All I read here is I mailed Mandrake but never got an answer!. Well, which address did you send your mails to exactly? I often read that and when I ask they give me some address which is not even remotely connected with the issue at hand. I often receive such a mail because somewhere my address is on the site as German translator. OK, I always forward those mails because I have enough time and I don't get too much mails per day. So where did you send your mails? Oh, and *why* did you send those mails? There are web pages which answer your questions. There is another mail in this thread which lists all the relevant pages. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
