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October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
whack
 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
 called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
 splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the
 release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did
 this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words
 when cooker was still frozen.

OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday and 
upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple of 
minor exceptions. 
xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when the 
graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and 
KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or 
taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays.

 That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version with 
the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to do a 
bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other. I 
can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks.

I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, 
adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report 
the results here.

Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R 
disks. g

Charlie
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10:35:31 up 17:27, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.11, 0.09
Knock, knock!
Who's there?
Sam and Janet.
Sam and Janet who?
Sam and Janet Evening...
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 26, 2003 11:43 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
[..]
  I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later
  today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks,
  then report the results here.
 
  Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use
  CD-R disks. g

 Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you
 are doing.  I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes
 how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed.

Sure, as soon as I finish editing the relevant files and am able to generate a 
set of ISOs I'll burn and test.

I document _everything_ I do Greg. My short term memory sucks, so I'm one of 
those people that carries a notebook everwhere and is always jotting notes to 
myself. So as soon as I make some progress, and have readable notes, I'll 
send a copy direct to you, OK?

BTW the cooker ISOs I generated and tested for installation yesterday worked 
fine other than the xchat glitch, the KDE .80 packages built with the 
incorrect qt version, and the fact that the cooker tree hasn't really updated 
since Thursday. 

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] KWeather

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October 26, 2003 11:23 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Does anyone use this applet?  Under 9.0 it recognised my local
 station, but under 9.1 it only seems to deal with North America.  Can
 anyone tell me what the problem is?

 Anne

I use it all the time Anne, but there have been times when it doesn't seem to 
be able to connect to the servers. The last time I had this problem it was a 
problem with the servers, not the applet, but before that it was necessary to 
remove all the configuration files (~.kdeappskweatherkweatherrc) and start 
over. I could be wrong about where to find it since I can't get to my 
/home/nanook directory at the moment. But not the what part.

My box is maybe slightly over cooked right now. Almost no KDE apps, no access 
to much of anything actually.  g

Before I did that I'd be certain the server for your locale is actually up 
though. There's a link from the configure dialogue, and a link from there to 
check server status if I recall correctly.

HTH
Charlie
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11:31:06 up 31 min, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.26, 0.25
I brought my BOWLING BALL -- and some DRUGS!!
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Re: [expert] Apache2 Updates

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October 25, 2003 10:10 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 Has anybody seen the Apache2 updates that Vince Danen announced yesterday
 with this:

 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:09
6-1

 None of the mirrors have been updated since the 22nd on this page

 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php

Yeah, I've noticed. I've also noticed that most of the time the cooker and 
updates rsync I run daily (or more often) for my local mirror has been 
doing the changing time stamps but not really downloading anything dance 
since Thursday. 

I've seen this sort of thing happen quite often when the distribution master 
server (MandrakeSoft) is going through a tree change; such as when a new 
set of ISOs is being generated. It stops responding to the primary mirrors, 
then the secondary mirrors get out of sync, and everything seems to get 
strange for a while.

Is it possible the RC ISOs for AMD64 are being generated while at the same 
time the 9.2 Download Edition ISOs are being readied for ftp release?

Just a random though or two.

Charlie
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Martin was probably ripping them off.  That's some family, isn't it?
Incest, prostitution, fanaticism, software.
-- Charles Willeford, Miami Blues
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Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2

2003-10-25 Thread Charlie M.

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October 25, 2003 08:31 am, Glenn Burkhardt wrote:
 On Saturday 25 October 2003 01:27 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
  OK Since Greg did such a clear job of stating the problem and a work
  around above, I just used his words, to submit a bug report.  It's
  number #30 if anyone here would care/be so kind as to add to it.
 
  James

 Where was the bug report submitted?  Presumably not to the cooker
 bugzilla...

Vincent has set up an Anthill.

http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

HTH
Charlie
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A little inaccuracy saves a world of explanation.
-- C.E. Ayres
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 06:08 pm, Joeb wrote:
[..]
Hi Joe;
 
 In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2,
  9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate
  the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
  called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
  splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for
  the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since
  I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other
  words when cooker was still frozen.

I still have those ISOs and a set of CD-RW disks I burned from them. I also 
have a set I made yesterday with all of the updates, and the set I made from 
the 9.2 tree. Neither of the latter two will install the distribution here, 
they both hang at second stage install stage. The ISOs I used to update my 
son's machine to 9.2 (made from a torrent download through his Club account) 
worked fine. So did the original cooker set made on 24 September 2003.

 Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake
 Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc.
 
 But not for this box. It stays cooked.

This still applies. I won't be trying to make any more ISOs until cooker is no 
longer frozen. I will try an install just far enough to be certain everything 
works but since I'm already running it for all intents and purposes I won't 
be too concerned about a fresh install or upgrade.

 I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
 how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
 because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
 there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
 have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
 connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
 and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
 pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
 contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
 to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
 production).

As stated above, I did try to install with the disks I made just to check, and 
they hang at stage two.

 In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
 significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
 should be shipping in the next two weeks!

 Joeb

Installing from a boot disk made from hdimg.cz in the 9.2 tree and the cooker 
tree both work. But the disks I made don't. Go figure.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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October 24, 2003 03:05 am, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
 At 17.32 19/10/2003, you wrote:
 There's nothing wrong with waiting a little bit but, since you would have
 to have the 9.2 tree downloaded to make the isos, have you considered
 doing an hd install from the tree?

 Probably I will download the full tree (could someone tell me in advance
 how much big it is? I have to warn the friend that will download it...) and
 then make the CDs on my PC (I have linux 9.1).
 I don't know whether to install from HD or from those CD I will make.
 Probably from HD, where I will keep the tree until the HD gets filled.

 Olaf

If you exclude all SRPMS and jpackage entries you can get away with about 6.0 
GB for main and contrib. If you want everything including those directories 
count on around 10.5 GB. Or at least that's what the Mandrake current tree 
(9.2) is here.

You may want to rsync the 9.2 updates directory as well. I did. It's only 
248.4 MB.

Good luck.
Charlie
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[expert] [OT]Virus; the Next Generation?

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/flea.shtml

Even signature files aren't to be trusted in HTML e-mails now. Not that I've 
ever trusted HTML e-mails anyway. Quote from the advisory:

Flea activates when an infected email message is opened. At this point, the 
worm connects to a web site in Spain (a private page under terra.es), and 
silently downloads and executes a JavaScript code available in a web site. 
This JavaScript code will download an another script written in Visual Basic 
Script and execute it. This code will contain the actual worm code.

The Visual Basic script code changes Internet Explorer settings so, that any 
URL entered into address bar without a specific protocol prefix (usually 
http: part in the beginning of the URL) will be directed into worm code, 
causing that the system will be reinfected.

I know it has nothing to do with Mandrake Linux and very little to do with the 
focus of this list but... It's more work for those of us that volunteer as 
cleaners and more aggravation for everyone connected to any network. 

Especially you admins. sigh

Charlie
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You're dead, Jim.
-- McCoy, Amok Time, stardate 3372.7
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Re: [expert] msec and Directory permissions......

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October 23, 2003 09:36 am, Ralph Crpngeyer wrote:
 Jack, Your right.
 The user.group for the entire jail is root.root only the file
 permissions are different. Also looking at /usr/share/msec/perm.5 the
 directory /opt is not touched at all. I think that something else must
 have been happening. I wasn't the only one with root access to this
 system, till now. I just ran msec 5 and all is well.

 I think the answer to the question (How do I get msec to skip a dir?) is
 to make sure that it is not listed in the /usr/share/msec/perm.2/3/4/5
 file. In other words, msec only changes owner.group perms for the
 dir's listed in the perm.2/3/4/5 file.

 Does that sound right?

 Thanks for your help.

 Ralph

Ralph did you forget how to spell your own name, or have you taken to calling 
yourself Crpngyer for a reason? g

Just curious 'cause I couldn't figure out what was bothering me about your 
posts.

Regards;
Charlie
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Really??  What a coincidence, I'm shallow too!!
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Re: [expert] Upgrade Path from 8.2

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October 23, 2003 10:14 am, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have a solid/stable 8.2 box working as a webserver.
 Since 8.2 is no longer supported, I imagine i have no
 choice but to upgrade (not that savvy to make my own
 update rpm's!)
 I want to throw 9.1 in there. Do i have to go in
 steps, 8.2 --9.0 --9.1 or simply throw 9.1 cd's and
 install (live or from bootcd?).
 Is it workable or I should simply go thru a
 Complete-re-install?

 _Thanks

The last 8.2 -- 9.1 upgrade I did wasn't an upgrade but had to be a fresh 
install. The machine concerned was running on XFS, and the installer kept 
choking. I had the same problem with a 9.0 machine yesterday trying to go to 
9.2. On that one the upgrade didn't like the flavour of Reiser FS used on 
9.0.

HTH
Charlie
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Law of Continuity:
Experiments should be reproducible.  They should all fail the same way.
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 06:29 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 October 2003 02:45 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
  Although the best security for Windows that I've found is the installer
  for Mandrake Linux and the Use Entire Disk option. (-;

 Wow, what a great sig that would make!
 -- cmg

You mean like the one on this reply? eG

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Re: [expert] msec and Directory permissions......

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October 23, 2003 11:46 am, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
 Thanks! I didn't even notice that I fat fingered my name.  :-(

 Ralph

I think we all have those brain fart moments, don't we? My latest one was my 
son's e-mail address yesterday. I had him living in .cz instead of .ca. 

I did catch it before some SA like me pointed it out though. g

You're welcome.(-:

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 03:34 am, KevinO wrote:
 Two real quick comments and then I'm out of this thread...

 1) This thread has nothing to do with running Mandrake.

This thread has a lot to do with network infiltration and an extreme lack of 
bandwidth available because so many infected machines are co-opting so much 
trying to make new friends. Since it affects the performance of at least 
local branches of the internet, and some sections of the trunk, it affects 
any connected system, Mandrake or not. 

If we need to discuss how to help neighbours de-worm their Windows boxes so we 
actually have bandwidth to use this ...has nothing to do with running 
Mandrake is not entirely accurate IMHO.

 2) She really needs a firewall, hardware firewall prefered. For ease of
 use, installation and administration, reliability and security, the best
 balance in a low or no-cost solution might be an old pentium box running
 smoothwall.

Good points. But will it be enough?

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 03:23 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]

  She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite
  security information source.
 
  Like this one:
 
  http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html

 Well, it made interesting reading.  It was Swen.  In fact of the 4
 instances her av picked up, two were said to be in her Trash, and two
 in a backup.  None of the mails were visible in those files.  We have
 come to the conclusion that emptying the Trash does not get rid of
 mails completely, and it is necessary to compact folders to do that.
 Compacting is now part of her routine.

It's a TSR (terminate, stay resident) and an agile little bastard so I doubt 
using the flush handle on the trash would accomplish anything Anne. It also 
does nasty things to the boot sector, so the removal procedure can be a 
nightmare. As soon as it or one of it's brethren becomes a migratory mutant 
there's going to develop a large market for disposable hard drives. Or new 
systems may have to be built with no HDD and run Knoppix style from a write 
protected CD-R/DVD-R.

Let's look at possibilities for the paranoid; maybe the whole thing was 
started by a secret MS lab in order to promote the Trusted Computing Alliance 
and Paladium? 

Have I just become responsible for a new urban legend/conspiracy theory? )-:

 As for how it works, I thought that only Outlook address books were
 vulnerable to this.  She keeps her av up to date, and did not send
 any mails after the report, apart from the one to me when I asked her
 to send the av report file, so hopefully she hasn't infected anyone
 else.

Since the worm uses it's own smtp engine or co-opts the Windows one it may not 
matter whether she sent anything, and it would have been possible for the 
worm to send copies of itself to any system that it could find with it's own 
scanning facility. With her address I do believe. Without any record in sent 
mail.

 She isn't on a lan, and she doesn't use file-sharing programs, so that
 part's OK.

Is she connected by dial-up or a broadband connection? If the latter the 
network she uses to access the web can be treated as a lan by the worm. It 
will scan for any vulnerable system on any type of network it's connected to.

 She would not have filled in an email details request form without
 asking me - she plays safe every time - nor would she have allowed
 the fake windows update.  I had sent her reminders to avoid the fake
 M$ emails and she would have made the connection.  I'll do extra
 checks for the files it mentions, but hopefully we have got rid of it
 this time.

I certainly hope so Anne. I do know what !fun you're going through. From 
personal experience. I also know what the next two weeks (at the very least) 
are going to be like for me. The only good part of it is that I usually end 
up with a few more members of the Mandrake Family every time something such 
as this happens.

So I suppose it's worth the work and aggravation.

 As soon as she is back home and working I'll get her av registration
 details so that I can talk to Kaspersky about how we can ensure that
 such things are caught 'at the door'.  Although I can see how OE
 would be a priority for them, I think it's unlikely that other mail
 apps can't have that protection.

 Anne

I hope the manufacturer of her av application is more enlightened than some of 
the MS Partners.

Best of luck with keeping the system clean Anne. I think we'll all need all of 
the luck we can get.

feel good
Time to disconnect this system and deliver it. My son should be pleased with 
9.2 I think. If he doesn't he can work on his own damned system. (-;
/feel good

Charlie
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Friends, n.:
People who borrow your books and set wet glasses on them.

People who know you well, but like you anyway.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 06:08 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
snip
 And somehow we are led to believe that getting into a room with a bunch of
 corporate representatives from various companies will somehow result in a
 superior product than the free marketplace of ideas and technical quality?

 I don't know about your own experiences, but everytime I have been involved
 in a product development effort designed by a committee, I have not been
 overly impressed with the final results.  Again, YMMV.

My own personal experiences with anything involving committees forces me to 
fall back on an old quote:

A committee is the only lifeform in the known universe with many limbs, many 
eyes, many mouths..

and no brains.

Sorry but I thought the discussion was becoming too intense.

No offence intended. (-:

 In my experience, nothing is secure.  If you want absolute security, load
 software on the box, rip out all the disk drives, network connections,
 external interfaces and the keyboard and you are now secure.  I used to
 have an old XT computer chassis, no disk drives, no keyboard and no working
 ports, that was a pretty secure box.

I don't disagree with what you say, but I understand Haywire's point. For the 
average non-technically inclined computer user any GNU/Linux/Open Source 
system is easier to secure and maintain as secure. Simply because there are 
so many ways to work toward the goal and so many available tools and layers 
of defence to use.

Regards;
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weapon, n.:
An index of the lack of development of a culture.
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 10:56 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]
  Since the worm uses it's own smtp engine or co-opts the Windows one
  it may not matter whether she sent anything, and it would have been
  possible for the worm to send copies of itself to any system that
  it could find with it's own scanning facility. With her address I
  do believe. Without any record in sent mail.

 Not a nice thought.

 She's on dial-up, so that at least is in our favour.

Well that will help a bit. Any (unsecured) Windows system that's connected to 
any network is (should be) a source of concern for anyone else on that 
network.

Although the best security for Windows that I've found is the installer for 
Mandrake Linux and the Use Entire Disk option. (-;
  I certainly hope so Anne. I do know what !fun you're going through.
  From personal experience. I also know what the next two weeks (at
  the very least) are going to be like for me. The only good part of
  it is that I usually end up with a few more members of the Mandrake
  Family every time something such as this happens.
 
  So I suppose it's worth the work and aggravation.
 
   As soon as she is back home and working I'll get her av
   registration details so that I can talk to Kaspersky about how we
   can ensure that such things are caught 'at the door'.  Although I
   can see how OE would be a priority for them, I think it's
   unlikely that other mail apps can't have that protection.
 
  I hope the manufacturer of her av application is more enlightened
  than some of the MS Partners.

 Hopefully.

  Best of luck with keeping the system clean Anne. I think we'll all
  need all of the luck we can get.
 
  feel good
  Time to disconnect this system and deliver it. My son should be
  pleased with 9.2 I think. If he doesn't he can work on his own
  damned system. (-; /feel good

 The good news is that she will be starting a new job in around 3
 months.  Soon the worst of the current pressure will be over for her,
 and I'm look at whether it's possible to give her Mandrake and
 win4lin to cope with her needs.  If she can keep the Internet part
 out of Windows it should help.

 Anne

Is she easy to manipulate? (-;

If so (or maybe especially if she isn't) you could try some of my (social 
engineering for a reason) regular arguments modified to suit the 
circumstances. Things such as; 

So; do you actually enjoy having some faceless stranger that you'll never 
meet, and have no reason to trust, make decisions about your private 
information internet use and _life_, or do you trust *your mother?*

The father version of that one worked on my kids anyway. As independent and 
anarchistic as any pair of teenagers I've ever met. That quality must have 
been inherited from their mother's side. eg

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 12:38 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
chomp
  For
  the average non-technically inclined computer user any GNU/Linux/Open
  Source system is easier to secure and maintain as secure. Simply because
  there are so many ways to work toward the goal and so many available
  tools and layers of defence to use.

 Fact is, I personally feel that the unified architecture of centralized
 products is a disadvantage when it comes to security.  I like the chaotic
 nature of current varied distributions of Linux.

You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.

I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 02:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:18 -0600

 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.
 
  I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:

 Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!

 er, that *was* the motion, right? where's the minutes...

Close enough for guvmint work isn't it? eG

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Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs

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October 22, 2003 02:42 pm, D. R. Evans wrote:
 On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:40, Eric Fernandez wrote:
  Add the main  source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi
  through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD.

 Can you put that in English for me? I finally got urpmi to add media, by
 using the apparently command drakclub that someone here kindly mentioned
 a couple of days ago (which caused it to add something called
 club.comm_i586_9.2, whatever that means -- the commercial packages,
 maybe?, but not the kernel sources).

 What exactly is the name of the kernel source RPM? I tried listing all the
 ones that contain kernel, but none of those looks right. Maybe I'm just
 looking for the wrong name; I've never needed to find kernel sources
 before.

   Doc

Sorry for the book below!

urpmi kernel-source

Doc;

If you have an update_source configured for the Software Manager (urpmi) to 
use, the kernel-source for the update kernel (2.4.22-18mdk) should have 
propagated to all the update mirrors by now. If not you can get it directly 
and rpm -Uvh it, but when you do update the kernel as well. It fixes some 
glitches according to the advisory I got this afternoon. The following 
commands run as super user from a terminal may help:

urpmi.addmedia main 
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS 
with ../base/hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia contrib 
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/contrib/i586 with 
../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz

urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with 
hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia update_source 
ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with 
../base/hdlist.cz

will get you everything except the club, which it seems you already have. 
Check the sources you already have first though. You may have to run:

urpmi.removemedia -a

first then start from scratch. If you do I'd suggest adding the club last but 
it may not matter.

When I tried to update my son's machine this morning the updates weren't on 
the mirrors yet, but I just spoke to my daughter and had her run:

urpmi.update -a -f  urpmi --wget --auto-select -v

on that machine. She says the total was shown as 279 MB.

I hope everbody has a fast connection. (-;

Regards;
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

2003-10-21 Thread Charlie M.

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October 21, 2003 03:25 pm, rikona wrote:
[..]
 AW That's what puzzles me.  She would never open an executable.  She
 AW would never agree to running one.  Java and javascript are
 AW disabled  for mail.  She is set to read and write plain text.
 AW Still they have  managed to do damage.

She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite security 
information source.

Like this one:

http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html

 The more you write, the more it looks as though it is not an email
 problem.

If as I suspect this new wonder worm is a variant of Gibe it's quite capable 
of infecting an entire local area network through shares, instant messengers 
and a few other methods I don't recall at the moment. It doesn't need to use 
the Outlook or any other address book. It is truly a nasty evil rotten piece 
of malware delivered by someone that should be tracked down, shot and p!$$ed 
on. 

Not necessarily in that order.

 AW At first I thought is was coincidence, but  since the same files
 AW have to be replaced every time it happens I no  longer believe
 AW that.

 Is it possible that the real problem has not been removed, and is
 still lurking on the machine? She might have multiple problems. It is
 not at all unusual in Win computers that are not locked down very
 tight.

To have a chance of clearing my friend's network Sunday I had to physically 
disconnect (pulled the cables and shut down the router) all 3 of his machines 
from the network, disconnect and power down the printer, and shut the router 
down completely then not reconnect until everything was back to worm free 
status. It wasn't a fun way to spend the evening.

 AW I'm thankful that at least she is not  contributing to the spread
 AW of viruses, but I can't understand how  they are doing this
 AW damage.

 If her address book has entries, don't be too sure. :-))

As i posted above the address book isn't the only avenue for infection to 
spread. Any unsecured Windows box connected to almost any network with an 
infected machine will be toast in a very short time.sigh

God I hate Windows!

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

2003-10-21 Thread Charlie M.

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October 21, 2003 09:16 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[..]
   AW That's what puzzles me.  She would never open an executable.  She
   AW would never agree to running one.  Java and javascript are
   AW disabled  for mail.  She is set to read and write plain text.
   AW Still they have  managed to do damage.
 
  She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite security
  information source.
 
  Like this one:
 
  http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html
 
   The more you write, the more it looks as though it is not an email
   problem.
 
  If as I suspect this new wonder worm is a variant of Gibe it's quite
  capable of infecting an entire local area network through shares, instant
  messengers and a few other methods I don't recall at the moment. It
  doesn't need to use the Outlook or any other address book. It is truly a
  nasty evil rotten piece of malware delivered by someone that should be
  tracked down, shot and p!$$ed on.
 
  Not necessarily in that order.

 With the amount of Iced Tea I've been drinking of late the 3rd step is a
 no brainer.. *grin*

If we catch the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@rd I'll pay for the refreshments. If I get to help 
with 
the hosing down. (-:

  God I hate Windows!

 Yeah, but the number one reason to keep windows around.  Lots and lots
 of work.

I guess everything has a purpose right? g I could really do without Sundays 
of that sort though.

 James

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 04:08 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[..]
  sigh
  Gotta go rescue a neighbour that's been suckered for the third time in
  six months. After being told not to click here or install.
 
  Let's see...what should I charge him; it's Sunday, he was warned at least
  twice(-;

 Send him this cartoon.

 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030823mode=classic

 James

Thanks James; I needed that. (-; 

This thread has certainly grown and mutated since I left late yesterday 
afternoon.

It turned out to be all three of his machines. This latest thing must be a 
version of swen. Very similar damage to the last time he was foolish.

On a brighter note, he won't turn Active Scripting back on or use Lookout 
Infect again. I don't think he liked the bill he just paid. g

I think someone also gained an understanding of why I always nag about 
back-ups.

Good night (morning) all.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 02:54 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  You may find this interesting:
 
  http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml

Another misguided attempt by an MS apologist to deflect with smoke and 
mirrors, with a leavening of faulty logic, what is widely known: 

The average semi technophobic user, especially after being saturation bombed 
for years with the official Microsoft party line by tech journalists, can 
leave themselves wide open to anything malicious entities can dream up. The 
operating system is irrelevant. It's just takes a whale of a lot more effort, 
and can be a lot more difficult, to screw up while using GNU/Linux.

As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the power of 
human stupidity. Especially in large groups. insert maniacal laughter

I wonder if he thinks he's being cool by calling users wet ware. If he 
thinks he's a wit he's (maybe) half right.

  Anne

 sigh Here we go again.

 As has happened many times before, the author of this piece of
 journalistic tripe is trolling for controversy.

 The *fact* is that Linux is several times more resistant to trivial
 exploits than Windows. There is no one in the security field with more
 than ten brain cells who disputes this.

 Yes, it is possible to exploit Linux platforms, just like it's possible
 to exploit any platform. The question is: is it *trivial*?

 Windows: yes. Linux: no.

 The article this journalist seeks to rebut makes this point fairly
 well, it's not propaganda, it's not wishful thinking or anyone burying
 their heads in the sand. It's just an observation of something that is
 common knowledge.

 Let's put it this way, as someone on my local LUG list said:

 Take a default install of any Linux distro, and a default install of
 Windows, connect them to the internet with no firewall or any antivirus
 software, and see which one gets compromised 1st.

 Anyone care to bet?

 C'mon, I'll give you ten to one on the Windows box... ;-)

According to a page my ISP once displayed in the members area of their site, 
any Windows system connected to their network is likely to be 
exploited/infected within 12-24 hours if a default install with no security 
software is used. Seems they've removed that page or I just don't remember 
where it was. Probably the former and I wonder why. (-;

I wonder who Pete Sargeant is when he isn't posting ridiculous crap on web 
sites.

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 04:11 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
snip
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
 
  As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the power
  of human stupidity. Especially in large groups. insert maniacal
  laughter

 What a smart man. Reminds me of one of my favorites, never attribute to
 malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

I knew I had heard another appropriate aphorism somewhere, thanks.

  I wonder if he thinks he's being cool by calling users wet ware. If
  he thinks he's a wit he's (maybe) half right.

 Ah give him a break, he's probably fifteen and just read his first Rudy
 Rucker :-)

You're quite likely correct Jack.

OK, I'll bite; Rudy Rucker? Never mind, I Googled it, I'll figure it out.

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I've finally learned what upward compatible means.  It means we get to
keep all our old mistakes.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 07:04 pm, yankl wrote:
 snip
 Before flaming me read my signature.

Why would I flame you?

 Sorry to spoil that bashing of the writer, but he makes a valid point. It
 is not an OS, it is user who use it. 99.% of windblows viruses are
 based on the social engineering in addition to software flow.

I bash the writer because I see his article as an attack on anyone that holds 
the view that Windows is insecure by design, and his alluding to the fact 
that those of us stating the opposite about GNU/Linux are idiots. 

While I agree with your analysis that much of the burden is on users, I don't 
agree with much else that author wrote. I've never told anyone that GNU/Linux 
was invulnerable, one of his facts; but I often tell people that it's a 
hell of a lot easier to secure, and to keep secure, than Windows has ever 
been.

If you thought the quote from my grandfather was directed strictly at the 
author of the rebuttal read it again. Specifically in the light of what I 
said about users before that quote.

Other than that I'm forced to respectfully agree to disagree with you that the 
author even had a point.

Other than the ones on his head. (-:

I've read and heard far too many similar arguments with zero basis in fact 
from too many sources over the years.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
 [...]
  Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees
 before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it 
on the TWiki (cooker).

 gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs...
 you don't need it for making cds...

I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from 
too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages.

 both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure...
 gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for
 the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their
 depencies met...

After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a 
set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that 
isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll 
post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to 
the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree.

 as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz
 and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents
 (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...)
 [...]

  I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
  how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
  because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
  there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
  have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
  connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
  and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
  pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
  contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
  to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
  production).

 The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
 that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
 anyway...
 so it does make the cd's installable ...

  In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
  significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
  should be shipping in the next two weeks!
 
  Joeb

 Regards

 Thomas

I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on 
these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:

My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker 
install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason 
to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've 
installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like 
curiosity though. g

Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front.

Thanks Thomas.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 12:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I have just received the latest version of the fake M$ mails:

 Last Network Security Update
 Date: Sun Oct 19 17:55:27 2003
 From: Microsoft Internet Security Center
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Microsoft Consumer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Microsoft Consumer

 this is the latest version of security update, the
 October 2003, Cumulative Patch update which eliminates
 all known security vulnerabilities affecting
 MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express
 as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities.
 Install now to help protect your computer
 from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could
 allow an attacker to run code on your system.
 This update includes the functionality of all previously released
 patches.

 While I was away several people told me that they were just doing
 something quite normal, 'and then I got the virus.  And I had done
 what Microsoft said in their message'.  I know it's ridiculous
 expecting virus writers to play fair, but this particular scam is the
 one most likely to trap otherwise wary people.  Aarrgghhh!  I'm not
 usually a violent person, but I'd like to hang, draw and quarter the
 person that thought this one up.

 Anne

Thanks for an opportunity to join a rant Anne. (-;

The sad part is that so many people will be taken in by such transparent 
social engineering crap. I spend more time de-worming infected Windows 
boxes than I do at anything else, and I'm not even trying to make a living at 
it. 

All of my friends and acquaintances have been apprised that they'll get one 
freebie, but the next time they're silly enough to Click here to install on 
a Microsoft security update e-mail the repair will cost them whatever I can 
get away with charging them. If they don't like that they're welcome to take 
the box to the nearest local service centre and pay the average minmum $75 
door charge. Plus costs.

Sometimes I think we all need to carry a smart stick with us at all times to 
whack these geniuses with. g

sigh 
Gotta go rescue a neighbour that's been suckered for the third time in six 
months. After being told not to click here or install.

Let's see...what should I charge him; it's Sunday, he was warned at least 
twice(-;

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
snip
  Thanks for an opportunity to join a rant Anne. (-;
 
  The sad part is that so many people will be taken in by such
  transparent social engineering crap. I spend more time de-worming
  infected Windows boxes than I do at anything else, and I'm not even
  trying to make a living at it.

 My daughter gets her email through Mozilla on windows98.  She
 carefully deletes everything that she doesn't recognise as genuine
 mail.  She runs antivirus and keeps it up to date.  Still she keeps
 getting virused emails in from the people who are on a mailing group
 that she must use - the av software tells her it's there, but it's
 too late.  They can't fully activate, of course, under Mozilla, as
 they can't launch the appropriate M$ apps to do it, but they still
 manage to corrupt several files each time.  The cab files are always
 corrupted, and so is a java file.  Occasionally there's one or two
 more - this time there were two downloaded zip files corrupted.

I'm with you. The one exception to the all the traffic will bear rule I 
mentioned is people that I know don't do silly things. Like using Lookout 
Infect for e-mail. Those are people that I just sympathize with and help as 
I'm able.

As an aside, doesn't the free Zone Alarm install include some sort of script 
blocking for e-mail, or is that only for that infection transport agent that 
comes with Windows as an e-mail client? Also I find it amazing that an 
anti-virus app can't freeze a virus at the door when the message first enters 
the queue. Is she running with java and scripting on or off in e-mail and 
newsgroups? Turning them off may actually help somewhat.

 Quite apart from the time I spend on this, it makes me very angry that
 she takes every precaution a non-geek can be expected to take, and
 yet still she suffers this regularly.  As to where they come from - I
 think without exception they have come from people who send their
 mails through their work account, in local hospitals!

 Anne

If that's the case, and since we aren't able to track down and keelhaul the 
author of the mal-ware, we should string up the sysadmins at those 
institutions. Or at least the users that are clicking everything in site at 
the facility.

Or both. vbeg

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 03:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
snip
  As an aside, doesn't the free Zone Alarm install include some sort
  of script blocking for e-mail, or is that only for that infection
  transport agent that comes with Windows as an e-mail client?

 I've used ZA in the past as a personal firewall.  I'm not aware of it
 dealing with script blocking for email.  Maybe that's a new addition.

I'm fairly sure it is part of the install but I really don't pay much 
attention to the Windows utilities when I help someone set up a dual boot 
system, beyond basic configuration of network, start-up etc. Maybe I should 
but I would rather make the effort to make the mandrake (or ???) install 
sparkle instead. Prejudice I guess. (-;

 I did look at that.  There is a module there for mail protection, but
 it seems to be entirely aimed at Outlook users.  Their Tech. support
 is quite good, so I think it's time to email them and ask them just
 how it can be used with Mozilla.

Good plan, please pass along any information you receive?

  If that's the case, and since we aren't able to track down and
  keelhaul the author of the mal-ware, we should string up the
  sysadmins at those institutions. Or at least the users that are
  clicking everything in site at the facility.

 My sister-in-law works in a hospital.  She told me the other week that
 they had had all new systems put in.  It was only two days old when
 it went down - virused.  The whole department, that hadn't even
 completed transferring their data.  Not only that, it took down every
 hospital in the Leeds and Bradford district.  And - they were down
 for a week.

 Our taxes pay the guys who put in that system!

Taxes also pay the mental midgets in elected office and the thousands of 
bureaucrats that work for the responsible ministries so what the devil are 
they doing propagating the MS-VTS? Have they never heard of cheaper, open 
source, _secure_ systems before? 

Like so many of that ilk they only care about their little fiefdom, not the 
peasants out here in the real world. I don't think recall elections are 
used correctly (should involve lynch mobs I think), or often enough in 
so-called democracies.

Get a rope! g

 Anne

It's definitely time for my quarterly nuisance letters, e-mails, and calls 
to MPs (Fed) and MLAs (Provincial) again. This sort of crap is happening here 
as often as anywhere.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 19, 2003 03:39 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
whack
  I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others
  on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:
 
  My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker
  install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real
  reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels
  I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer
  ape-like curiosity though. g

 Charlie,

I know that one.  I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install
 adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those
 who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I
 broke 4.2  One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot
 boxes.  (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten,
 FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.)  All on a single pair of 3 gig
 drives.  My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD.
 And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm.

 James

That all sounds _so_ familiar. :-))) Especially the winders ninety weight 
(SE) part. The versions were more recent but the pain of the self inflicted 
variety was similar.

I remember hating GNOME and being ecstatic when I was able to run KDE too. I 
still hate GNOME but I'm more inclined to ignore KDE as well now.

Thanks James for bringing back those memories to illustrate that it ain't as 
tough as it once was. g

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

2003-10-19 Thread Charlie

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:25 am, many eyes noted that John Wilson wrote:
 No, Zone Alarm does not blacklist email, at least the free version doesn't.
   The paid for one claims to though I've heard varying reports of how well
 or poorly it does that.

 As someone has pointed out, have your daughter use Pegasus.

It has been a long time since I used windows on the net, Zonealarm did lock up 
mail that were suspect. Also I found Eudora rather good as an email program 
though not foolproof either.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote:
I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images
with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all
created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and
are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all
refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc).

I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a
cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks
like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to
use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error
becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs
with MakeCD?

Joeb

p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post
it to the twiki.

Hi Joe;

In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2
is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs
is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called
Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash
identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release
you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this
before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when
cooker was still frozen.

Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before
building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the
TWiki (cooker).

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib

There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits.

Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake
Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc.

But not for this box. It stays cooked.

http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346

That link will probably wrap.

Regards;
Charlie
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toilet seat.
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 02:30 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote:
  Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd
  as urpmi source.

 Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It
 will not be accepted without!

 Good luck,
 HarM

Are you sure about that HarM? 

I've written an updates disk for use when doing 9.1 installs from my local 
updates mirror directory and never had a problem. urpmi generates, or seems 
to, a synthesis for use when none is available. Once the source is set up 
it's accessible, and a hell of a lot faster than doing an internet update for 
new installs. Especially for the few around here that are still on dial up.

BTW you can download the updates hdlist.cz from the same mirror you get the 
packages from and just add it to the CD.

Then again I rsync everything for the current two releases (9.0, 9.1, and 
cooker at the moment. Soon dropping 9.0) on my local drives.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 03:16 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:46, Charlie M. wrote:
  Are you sure about that HarM?

 If you don't download all the rpm's in that directory, then the hdlist.cz
 will not be valid anymoreyou'll have to generate a new one with the
 right packages using the -f option.
 If the gui does that by default...frankly, I don't know. Me and rpmdrake
 don't get along;)

 Good luck,
 HarM

I see what you're saying. I should have mentioned that the disks are always 
faithful reproductions of _everything_ in the updates directory of the 
mirrors.

I've yet to have it bite me, but since I have the synchronized updates hdlist 
on my hard drives I can always add it to the disk. So far so good though.

It becomes painful at times sitting on this pile of horse shoes. g

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Re: [expert] e2fsck -b 8193 won't help!

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:05 pm, many eyes noted that Eduardo Mendes wrote:
 Hello

 I was silly enough to use Partition Magic 8.0 to resize my entire linux
 hard disk (windows is in another hard disk).  The resizing-moving went fine
 as far as Partition Magic 8.0 is concerned. On Xp I can see the contents of
 all linux partitions using explore2fs.  However when I try to boot my
 9,2rc1 the system returns a message about failure when mounting /dev/hdb6
 (swap) and /dev/hdb7 (/home).   I tried e2fsck -b 8193 but no avail.

 My plan was to increase swap (from 136 MB to 1 Gb - My pc has 512 MB of
 RAM) and to shrink /var and resize /home.

 Any ideas on how to fix this problem?

 Many thanks

 Ed

I suppose that you require so much swap because you do a great deal with huge 
graphics and DVD and such. Otherwise I wonder why?

I have used Partition magic 7.0 before I felt I was willing to risk diskdrake, 
but have not used it since. Unfortunately, unless PM 8 is more capable that 
PM 7 It does not recognize and partition other than ext2 FAT FAT32 and NTFS 
if you partitioned anything else, then you might have broken your Linux 
partitions irreparably :-(

On the bright side I could be wrong. I have only ever made a new ext2fs 
partition with PM 7, but formatted it and everything else with whatever 
partitioning tool that came with the distro. Except Debian. It uses something 
that has some bug writeup from which I had a bit of trouble recovering, and 
that I never used again. I now use diskdrake exclusively.

Hope I am wrong.

Charlie.

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Re: [expert] Is there OpenOffice 1.1 RPM for mandrake 9.0?

2003-10-17 Thread Charlie

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:35 pm, many eyes noted that Vincent Chen wrote:
 Hi, all

 Is there OpenOffice 1.1 RPM for mandrake 9.0
 available? I prefer to upgrade using RPM. If RPM is
 not available, will it cause any problem if I use OO's
 installer?


 Thanks,

No 

OpenOffice.org1.1.0 installs beautifully like this:-

Untar it where you like 

then become root cd into /whereyouhaveit/install

Then as root # ./install -prefix=/usr/lib

Then go back to being user and $ cd /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.1.0 if that is 
the directory that OO has created.

then $ ./setup

Follow the prompts.

Works a treat.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] dualboot and need to reinstall windows

2003-10-17 Thread Charlie

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:06 am, many eyes noted that Phil G. wrote:
 I have a dualboot setup, and had to replace my video card.  No problems in
 ML.  But W2K won't recognize the new card and the video is corrupted.  So I
 need to reinstall W2K.

 I think this will this screw up the bootsector so that I can't boot into
 Linux.  And if so, how do I correct it?

 Phil

No problems I think. If I recall from the time I used windows 2000 or XP won't 
overwrite the MBR, but if it does let it boot from floppy run lilo or grub 
once in Mandrake and all will come together as it should.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] dualboot 9.2 + XP Pro on laptop

2003-10-17 Thread Charlie

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:45 am, many eyes noted that D. R. Evans wrote:
 OK; thanks. Combining the info at that URL with a Knoppix disk allowed me
 to build a dual-boot system.

 For those that care, here is what I did. (Warning: it ain't pretty, and
 doubtless there are better/cleverer ways, but this worked).

 Starting position: laptop (IBM T40) with XP Pro installed. The XP is
 networked, but has no floppy.

 1. Install Mdk 9.2. (in my case, / is on /dev/hda5).
 2. Towards the end of the installation, install the bootloader to /, NOT to
 the MBR
 3. Boot Knoppix.
 4. NFS mount a remote filesystem.
 5. Copy the first 512 octets of /dev/hda5 to a file in the remote
 filesystem (using dd).
 6. Boot into XP
 7. Copy the file created in step 5 to c:\linux.lnx
 8. Edit c:\boot.ini so that it contains the line
   c:\linux.lnx=Mandrake 9.2
 at the end
 9. Reboot.

 You are now given a choice of Windows or Mandrake at boot time.

 Thanks again for the pointers.

   Doc


Thanks for that info Doc.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] urpmi

2003-10-15 Thread Charlie M.

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October 15, 2003 01:17 pm, Tim Sawchuck wrote:
 On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:19:02 +0200

 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tim Sawchuck schrieb am Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:51:45 -0700:
There is a rumor that the complete 9.2 RPMS were also released on
the mirrors by mistake, but I have not been able to get any kind of
connect to verify.  That would add to the frenzy, if true
  
   Well. duh..
  
   9.2 RPMS are available right from the source mirrors!
   http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586
 
  And it was not 'by mistake'. It was an action, planned by a human brain,
  acted out by humans with the help of electronic devices and ancient
  knowledge. So how can you think of 'a mistake'?

 I thought the general release for the public was not until the end of
 October.  We (public / non-mdk club) can download rpms and isos now???

 See why I'm confused, or am I the only one as usual?  ;-)

 Tim

The 9.2 Canicule trees would need to be on the mirrors as they are because:

Those individuals with access to the ISOs ahead of mere mortals g will need 
to be able to add the contrib directories for a lot of software not on the 
disks;

The ISOs won't hold everything in main simply because of space limitations so 
that needs to be there as well;

The SRPMS need to be there so that people with odd hardware systems can roll 
their own.

I'm sure there are other reasons too. Just my brief take.

BTW there are no hdlist2.cz files on the mirrors so you'll probably have to 
genhdlist on the full tree to use contribs anyway.

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Re: [expert] linux complient notebooks

2003-10-14 Thread Charlie M.

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October 14, 2003 07:34 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
 I would like to get opinions from those possesing linux compatible
 notebooks without any driver problem. Further I would like to ask those
 possessing intel centrino based notebooks their usability in linux for
 wireless connection. Mine will be general purpose using productivity apps
 and also video and audio playing from cds and dvds in addition to internet
 oriented jobs.

I'd start at:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

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Re: [expert] refresh rate

2003-10-14 Thread Charlie

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:39 am, many eyes noted that HaywireMac wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:22:58 -0700

 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  is there a pointy-clicky way to change monitor refresh rates?  I'm not
  in a big hurry to go messing with modlines.

 There was a whole long thread about that on the newb list just a short
 time ago, IIRC the end of it is that, no, there is no pointy-clicky way.

 It is set at install time and conforms to the tested limits of your
 monitor, but it can be changed, you just have to do it the hard way.

 Check the archives, you'll see all the gory details.

This can be done with xvidtune. But it won't stick past a reboot. But gives 
you the relevant numbers to alter /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file to they way you 
like it. Or enter a new mode if you want.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] Getting a 100% linux compatible scanner

2003-10-13 Thread Charlie

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 04:37 am, many eyes noted that Joeb wrote:
 Can anyone recommend a good linux compatible scanner

I have a Canon N1240U which is probably old hat now, but works a treat with 
Mandrake 9.1 Love it.

Charlie

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Re: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website

2003-10-11 Thread Charlie M.

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October 11, 2003 07:16 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Saturday 11 October 2003 10:24 am, Eric Huff wrote:
   Honestly, maybe I don't hang out in the right places or something,
   but my wife and I do almost everything online using Mozilla and
   Galeon and hardly ever run into this problem. It's been at least a
   year since the last time I had to show her how to spoof a browser
   ID with Konqueror.
 
  It still happens.  There are a couple sites (which i can't remember
  now) i need that does, and people on newbie mention it every so
  often.  I always send them a letter asking to remove such a useless
  requirement...
 
  eric

 A recent experience:
 During dinner a week or so back, SheThatIs decreed that the purchase and
 installation of a new mailbox and post was essential to my continued
 happiness. There are two major sources for such purchases in this neck of
 the woods -- Lowe's and Home Depot. Wanting to eliminate schlepping between
 the two stores, I decided to visit to each company's web site to compare
 their offerings. Fired up Konq, went to Lowe's, and saw what they had. Next
 stop, Home Depot. Oops! Some nitwit has decided that since I would not be
 able to enjoy the full benefits of their site because I was not running
 either Netscape 4.0 or IE 4.0; further access was denied.

 The next morning I dropped about $150 at Lowe's for the mailbox, mailbox
 post, and some other stuff.

 Yes, I could reconfigure to Konq to get past Home Depot's barrier, but why
 the hell should I? They are the ones trying to sell something to me.

 And yes, I thought about sending them a nastygram, but that was not in the
 list of options. (Remember when every website had a Contact Webmaster
 link?) Then too, would anyone who considers Netscape 4.0 and IE 4.0 to be
 the latest and greatest understand my complaint? The idiot must still think
 it's 1997.

 -- cmg

I find that rather astonishing since, according to friends that work at a 
local branch of Home Depot, their servers are all running HP Ux. At least it 
ain't W2k3 or another MS Virus Transport System. 

I also thought I read recently that they were converting the whole operation 
to GNU/Linux. Or just investigating the possibility maybe.

Netcraft doesn't say anything about GNU/Linux though:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=homedepot.com

They should just string up their webmasters.

Please ignore the Fortune. This computer is as weird as its owner. g

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Re: [expert] KDE start up is too slow!!

2003-10-06 Thread Charlie

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:44 pm, many eyes noted that Kaveh Gh wrote:
 I've installed mdk-9.0 on a 40Gb western-digital
 (WDC-4000C) HDD several times and never seen any
 problem with installation and boot-up of system or KDE
 start-up.

snip

No problem with the hard drive? hdparm -tT /dev/hda might tell you something?

Charlie.

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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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October 4, 2003 02:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]
 And if you don't like to use the command line, use File Manager, Super
 User.  Shut it down when you've finished, but you can safely leave it
 open until you have finished and tested what you are doing.

 Anne

Of course in 9.2 you'll have to *make* FM Super User mode first. It seems to 
have been disappeared.

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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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October 4, 2003 09:46 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
[..]
 I don't know how the menu item, FM Super User mode, will be resolved but
 you can always press alt-F2 and type in
 kdesu konqueror
 to run konqueror as root, after supplying the root password, or kdesu
 anything to run anything as root.  At least, kdebase must be installed
 as kdesu is part of that.

 Rolf

Thanks for stating the blatantly obvious when the merely obvious would 
suffice. (-:

Rolf, I know how to work around it, you know how to do it, what does 
Mr./Mrs./Ms. J. Sixpack do when s/he's told to use that utility and it ain't 
there? You can explain until you're blue but the average user is just going 
to see it as confirmation of; and detractors will use it as more fuel for, 
the Linux is too hard! FUD fire.

In my opinion it's just another example of my stated objection to developers 
having *anything* to do with deciding user interfaces or GUI functionality. 
The so called ergonomics of a distribution. The distance between the 
species is far too great.

A desktop manager is the ultimate in GUI functionality and 99% of what a 
newbie will base their opinions of a distribution on are rooted in that. 
Since in this case it is lacking a few expected functions that opinion will 
probably be rather low for 9.2. 

Uber-geek workarounds, or even regular geek workarounds, are not the correct 
direction to push the desktop managers. _Any_ desktop manager.

It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.

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Re: [expert] Audigy 2 Support

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October 4, 2003 07:10 am, J. Kelley Jernigan wrote:
 Has anyone had any success getting the Audigy 2 sound card to work on
 MDK 9.1?
 I have one in a new Dell 8300 and it doesn't work at all.
 I have Goggled for answers and it looks like this card is not supported
 by Linux.

 Thanks.

Call Dell and scream for a replacement for the card. The version OEM-ed for 
Dell has been crippled and won't use the audigy2 drivers.

Seen it before and had to yell until the customer was sent a replacement. I 
don't remember the details, but I know a Dell supplied OEM Audigy2 ain't the 
same as an off the shelf version.

Ah, here we are. Copied from a bugzilla report that confirms what I thought I 
remembered g:

The problem with Dell's Sound Blaster Live is that their new computers
ship with sound cards that have the DSP chip crippled so that all sound
processing functions take place in software rather than hardware (like a
WinModem).  Creative and Dell have no solution to this, but I got Dell to send
me a replacement Sound Blaster Audigy 2.

Good luck;
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October 4, 2003 12:16 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[..]
 Would someone with one of theese Dell systems with cripled audigy2 dsp send
 me the output of lspcidrake -v...
 If we can't get it to work normally, maybe we can work around the problem
 with it...

 Regards

 Thomas

If nobody has posted the required information by Tuesday when I'm scheduled to 
go back there I'll post it Thomas. Is there anything else that might be of 
value to you?

I just hope you don't have to wait that long.

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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

 never used it and I don't know for
 a fact that su mode won't be there when 9.2 comes out.  Maybe it was
 just an oversight.  There are probably not sufficient personnel, at
 present, for there to be a separate ergonomics department (
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=105661890523522w=2 )
 so I think they are doing the best they can with what they have.  At any
 rate, changes are going to happen, some way of doing something or
 another will disappear for someone or another, and it's best to be
 flexible.

 Rolf

I don't know if it's gone permanently or not either. But I won't be able to 
convince too many new potential converts to try the distribution and support 
MandrakeSoft, or Open Source anything, if the ease of transition is lessened. 
I'm concerned, not complaining. Less new converts will mean less enthusiastic 
newbies singing Mandrake Linux' praises, and fewer new Club members or 
Mandrake Store customers.

Around and around we go. :-(

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October 4, 2003 02:29 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Charlie M. schrieb am Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:16:01 -0600:
  If I start talking anything more geekish than that these people go
  TILT.
 
  Then they run.
 
  But you'll never educate most people because they just want a tool to
  use. They don't want to be educated, and stop listening as soon as
  anything of that nature enters the conversation.

 It's the old difference between the 2 guys who had to study a certain
 physical law in order to solve a problem.

 1. guy goes to the library and asks for an english translation of the
 original book written in German. There is none. He asks a German
 friend to translate the chapters about the part which is interesting
 for him. He receives the translation, reads the necessary parts and
 goes back to his original task and solves the problem.

 2. guy goes to  language school, learns German and then reads the entire
 book in the original version. Then he goes back to his task.

 Lets not look at the efficiency or the necessary timespan for the second
 guy to learn the language. They both have the same task at hand but
 totally different interests.

 Next week I'm going to meet a couple of young people. One guy asked me
 where he could get some info about Linux. He and his friends are fed up
 with some M$ issues and would like to try something else.

 So, as they all are living in the same town as I do, we are going to
 meet next week and I'll give them a short overview. I'll take my laptop
 with me and will show some flashy things (Have to install xmms and
 mplayer until then!). A pity I can't have the new 9.2 by then.

 They mentioned Red Hat and SuSE as the distributions they heard of. I'll
 show them Mandrake. Let's see what comes out of it. And if your theory
 about the Geek! crying users at the sight of a CLI is really true.

 wobo

I hope they don't run. I'll be modifying my presentations and methods to try 
and overcome some of the natural resistance I expect to encounter. I 
recognize that the onus is on me to make things appear as easy as they 
actually are, and I've already gone back to the pattern that forces the 
potential refugee to ask more than once before I'll do anything more than 
provide links to information. 

If they don't have even that much perseverance they probably would never 
switch anyway.

Unfortunately it seems there's a lot of Linux is cool so get somebody to 
show going on around here. Weeding out the dilettantes like me and the 
people that are actually willing to invest some time and skull sweat is 
becoming a problem. (-:

As long as I'm not causing people to run screaming into the night, I guess I'm 
not doing the Mandrake cause any harm.

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October 4, 2003 03:29 pm, J. Kelley Jernigan wrote:
 How do you think Dell will react considering the card works perfectly
 well with XP Pro?

 Also, where did the Audigy 2 drivers for linux come from? I've googled
 and tried Cooker and I cannot find any for Linux.

When I Google for;

emu10k2; audigy 2

there are lots of entries. Like this one:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/91964

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD]

2003-10-01 Thread Charlie M.

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October 1, 2003 01:20 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 6:08 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
  Anne
 
 Make sure your card is running full duplex if it can ... of
  course the way they define full duplex really isn't but close
  enough.

 I think it is, but I can't remember how to check/set it.

  When it's running this way it can take sound in write it
  to the hdd and play it at the same time.  So.  If you hear it on
  the comps speakers it's going in.

 I can't.

 Anne
Full duplex mode settings are available from ConfigurationKDESoundSound 
System under the I/O tab.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD]

2003-10-01 Thread Charlie M.

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October 1, 2003 08:44 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  Hmm, I know that on the SB live that I was using in my 10 yr olds
  comp; I really, really had to turn the igain (I'm assuming thats
  input gain???) in aumix way down. It defauts to 100, but I had to
  turn it down to 8-10 to avoid clipping in gramofile.
 
  HTHs!

 Hi, DarkLord.  OK - if I turn igain down to 0 I lose the noise, but
 even 3 brings it back.  I presume it is some sort of feedback, but I
 don't know what's causing it.

 Meanwhile, I had looked at Audacity and Rezound, but without success.
 These are the error messages:

 Rezound -
 virtual void COSSSoundRecorder::initialize(CSound*)
  -- error opening OSS device '/dev/dsp
  -- Device or resource busy

 Audacity -
 Error opening audio device
 (Change the device in the Preferences dialog.)

 /dev/dsp is the only entry in the Preferences dialog.

 Any ideas?

 Anne

Anne;

I apologize for not remembering this sooner. Austin Acton has an article that 
was posted on Desktop Linux and many other websites about building what he 
terms a Mandrake Audio Workstation. I've never found the time to read that 
article, but I do have it on my personal to-do list. Eventually.

http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/subscribelau.php3

is one of the links he has posted in the article. That's the mailing list for 
the Linux Audio Users Group. Their home page is at:

http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/index.php

Austin's article is available from his homesite.

http://groundstate.ca/mdkaw.html

Hope this is of some help somehow. Audiophiles and those that work 
continuously with sound recording, mixing, and editing will probably be a 
better source of information than we on this list. I wish I knew enough about 
the tools and processes to be of any help but that is, as they say, a project 
for another day. g

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Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD

2003-09-30 Thread Charlie M.

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September 30, 2003 09:11 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
[..]
 xmms-diswriter is to rip mp3 to wav only. for recording gramofile is
 better. but it is console mode. you can use audacity or rezound for gui.
 but this sometimes hangs.

I've used diskwrite plug-in to rip entire batches of CDs to OGG but I don't 
think it would do what Anne wants. You are right though, gramofile should be 
the correct app.

Original CDs have a tendency to grow legs when one's children don't live at 
the same address, so I'm glad I have my tunes on a hard drive. g

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Att Vincent.

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September 28, 2003 05:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Vincent,


I preparation for the coming of 9.2, is the proposed Anthill bug
 tracking system going to be available/used?  Since there are so many
 (self included) who've been asking for this I'd like to possibly hold
 some fingers to the fire so to speak to possibly recruit some help if
 you need it, in order to make it work.

 James

Point me in the right direction and I'll try to help.

I hate fire. (-:

C.
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September 28, 2003 05:42 am, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:04:30 -0700

 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 With the exception of the paid for club the easy, fast, way is to
 use
  the command urpmi.setup (available with 9.1 for the first time) it
  carries all the same url's as easyurpmi site and does the commands for
  you. (goes out grabs the hdlists and gets you ready to roll.)

 All this timewhy was it not added by default, esp to the urpmi
 manpage?!

Hay Macwire;

Couldn't resist, sorry. ;)

I don't believe that even most cookers know all the functions built into 
urpm. Somebody's supposed to be able to tell us about _other_ neat tools?

I found it by accident when testing a 9.1 beta2 install and actually 
recommended it a few times here and on newbie. But everyone ignores me, 
rightfully so. (-:

Not everything is in the urpm manpage still. That document may actually one 
day catch up with what's available, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it B.

Besides, that kind of surprise is fun. g

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Att Vincent.

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September 29, 2003 09:59 am, Jack Coates wrote:
 gnupg key upload seems broken? It uploads the key, then says no keyfile
 uploaded. filename was jcoates-pubkey.asc if that helps.

  ...
 
   http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
   ...

I uploaded mine when I set up the account, no worries at all. 

I just looked, it's still there. H..

Charlie
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in full pursuit of the uneatable.
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September 29, 2003 09:43 am, Vincent Danen wrote:
[..]
 I was going to wait until this week to mention it (when I hopefully get the
 rest of the translations done and can roll out anthill 0.2.4) but...

 http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

 9.2 has a tool called drakbug that will help assist in reporting bugs by
 giving system information (optional) to bug reports so, as long as you have
 an anthill account, you can create the report text on your desktop.


 This is part of the reason I've been so busy in the last 2 weeks.. doing
 some frantic bug squishing in the Anthill code to make it ready.

 =)

 Enjoy!

Sorry, I already set up my user name yesterday. I didn't mean to jump the 
gun.

Thank you Vincent.

Peace;
Charlie
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