Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Randy Kramer]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this!  I caught your message when
> I was back scanning the threads.

Lyvim,

No problem, thanks for replying!

> > Lyvim,
> >
> > Questions: Have you ever tried any of the dcop (or kdcop) stuff for
> > interprocess communication among apps?  Does it work under
> > Enlightenment?
> 
> Well, the only thing that I can say is that the dcop stuff is active,
> definitely.  No doubt.  I can see the dcop links in my home directory are
> valid when X and E are running.
> 
> Now...the real question would require a test between two applications, or
> something similar.  The problem is that I never run KDE, so I don't know
> wether my everyday operations include real interprocess communications
> functions or not.  I'm still fascinated with transparent Eterms, and the
> occasional MS Word document imports.  Wellof course then there's Baldur's
> Gate 2, also.  Can you give me a test to run?  I use the middle button alot
> to paste selections from other areas, but I don't think this is what you are
> referring to.  What would constitute a valid test?

Just the fact that dcop is active is encouraging.  I found some stuff I
recorded on my home TWiki (guess it's time to move it to WikiLearn) --
read the third paragraph below and try some of the commands listed below
that:

(PS: I agree, I don't think middle button pasting is a valid test of
dcop -- don't think dcop has anything to do with that (but I could be
wrong).)

http://www.advogato.org/article/242.html > 
Some of this already works in KDE 2, posted 11 Feb 2001 by tackat> 

What if the Unix GUI didn't need a mouse? What if every application
could be controlled solely with the keyboard? 

This is already possible in KDE 2 for a long time via DCOP. Fire up
kwrite (make sure you don't have two kwrites there at the same time --
otherwise you have to add the pid to those commands) and type into your
favourite xterm: 

--snip-- 

 dcop kwrite KWriteIface insertText 'Windows rocks!' true 

 dcop kwrite KWriteIface setCursorPosition 0 8 true 

 dcop kwrite KWriteIface insertText 'sux! KDE ' true 

 dcop kwrite KWriteIface shiftHome 

 dcop kwrite KWriteIface writeFile 'conquer_your_desktop.txt' 

--snip-- 

or check your Mail using KMail by entering: 

 dcop kmail KMailIface checkMail 

or bind the command "dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface? lock" to your
"Pause"-key using kmenuedit. That way you can start kscreensaver by
pressing the "Pause"-key. 

To explore the possibilities you might want to use kdcop. 

 
> Did you hear that BeOS has sued Microsoft?
Yes, but there is too much news -- I have trouble remembering most of
it.  If they win, I think I'll remember that.

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

Randy,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this!  I caught your message when 
I was back scanning the threads.

On Wednesday 13 February 2002 19:38, you wrote:
> Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > If so you're probably exposed to every KDE component known to man.  ;)  I
> > think  KDE is great; well, let me restate thatI love the apps.  But
> > the desktop is a little too restrictive for my personal taste, so I run
> > pure Enlightenment (with NO gnome anything) and then enable KDE support
> > for the apps that I use from that desktop environment (Kmail, Kword, and
> > Kspreadsheet are good examples).  This makes for a light, fast and nimble
> > environment.
>
> Lyvim,
>
> Questions: Have you ever tried any of the dcop (or kdcop) stuff for
> interprocess communication among apps?  Does it work under
> Enlightenment?

Well, the only thing that I can say is that the dcop stuff is active, 
definitely.  No doubt.  I can see the dcop links in my home directory are 
valid when X and E are running.

Now...the real question would require a test between two applications, or 
something similar.  The problem is that I never run KDE, so I don't know 
wether my everyday operations include real interprocess communications 
functions or not.  I'm still fascinated with transparent Eterms, and the 
occasional MS Word document imports.  Wellof course then there's Baldur's 
Gate 2, also.  Can you give me a test to run?  I use the middle button alot 
to paste selections from other areas, but I don't think this is what you are 
referring to.  What would constitute a valid test?

> Just for information, AbiWord is more than just a gtk app, it is
> distributed as gtk and non-gtk, and for Windows and several other
> platforms (not sure which -- they are working on Mac, they stopped
> working on Beos).
>
> Randy Kramer

Did you hear that BeOS has sued Microsoft?

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Randy Kramer]

Hoyt Duff wrote:
> Are you able to cut and paste between KDE apps and AbiWord? I cannot.

Hoyt,

Interesting, no I cannot.  I can cut from AbiWord (0.9.2) and paste to
kde apps using the middle mouse button, but cannot go the other way with
either the middle mouse button or c, v.  

(Usually I test AbiWord in Windows.  I don't have the latest AbiWord
installed, but when I get a chance I'll install it and try that, or I'll
write to the AbiWord users mail list.)

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Hoyt Duff]

On Wednesday 13 February 2002 07:38 pm, you wrote:
>
> > This has been a real blast.  I've got total latitude on the desktop, plus
> > I can mooch the apps from whatever environment has the best one.  Abiword
> > is a gtk app (I think) that I use also, more often that kword.
>
> Just for information, AbiWord is more than just a gtk app, it is
> distributed as gtk and non-gtk, and for Windows and several other
> platforms (not sure which -- they are working on Mac, they stopped
> working on Beos).
>
>

Are you able to cut and paste between KDE apps and AbiWord? I cannot.

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Randy Kramer]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> If so you're probably exposed to every KDE component known to man.  ;)  I
> think  KDE is great; well, let me restate thatI love the apps.  But the
> desktop is a little too restrictive for my personal taste, so I run pure
> Enlightenment (with NO gnome anything) and then enable KDE support for the
> apps that I use from that desktop environment (Kmail, Kword, and Kspreadsheet
> are good examples).  This makes for a light, fast and nimble environment.
> 
Lyvim,

Questions: Have you ever tried any of the dcop (or kdcop) stuff for
interprocess communication among apps?  Does it work under
Enlightenment?

> This has been a real blast.  I've got total latitude on the desktop, plus I
> can mooch the apps from whatever environment has the best one.  Abiword is a
> gtk app (I think) that I use also, more often that kword.

Just for information, AbiWord is more than just a gtk app, it is
distributed as gtk and non-gtk, and for Windows and several other
platforms (not sure which -- they are working on Mac, they stopped
working on Beos).

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> Hmmm.  That IS strange!  From what you're saying it sounds like you've got
> the whole KDE desktop loaded, taskbar and all.  Is that right?

Yes, I'm afraid I'm spoiled by having everything handy... ;-)

> Maybe if you tried temporarily switching to another WM that you like working
> with, maybe one that's a little lighter, you could learn more about the
> problem.  Or, maybe KDE system guard has a logging system that could be
> looked at or activated.

Thats something I'll look into. I'm sure (as in so many 'Nix things!) there is
a log somewhere...

> Interesting.  I installed the bastille firewall in one of the first
> installation iterations that I did, but then I read in Linux Journal some
> articles about iptables.  After that I started searching the net and found a
> SLEW of iptables scripts.  This to me seemed a better way to create and
> control the firewall; perhaps bastille does the same thing(using iptables),
> but I figured I wouldn't learn anything new by letting bastille do all the
> background work.  In any case, I was thinking that an iptables script may be
> out there on the net for you that allows D2-LOD to pass through the ports
> that it wants to have.  At the very least, the docs will tell you how to
> construct and issue an iptables command(s) to allow access to the ports you
> need.

You can learn a lot just by looking at Bastilles' config file. I've been
looking it over, it seems to be very thoroughly commented. Hopefully, I can
(with my limited knowledge) figure something out.

> If you want to see what D2 is doing while you're on the local lan and
> playing, so you can record what exactly it is doing with what ports and how,
> there's a kewl utility out there that I use called netwatch.  Check it out
> here:
> 
> http://www.slctech.org/~mackay/netwatch.html
> 
> When you get it installed, use the left/right arrow keys to change your
> views.  I was impressed with the things I could track using netwatch.
> Somebody out there may know about a more informative utility;  but as yet I
> haven't found one.

I'll check that out, thanks!



> But hey, that was nothing compared to when the main entrance screen for
> Baldur's Gate 2 came up, and the music flowed out of my stereo system.  I
> know I looked stupid with my mouth hanging open and my eyes popping out,
> frozen solid for ten minutes...;)

Kinda like the look on my 11 year olds face when I showed him D2 under Linux.
He walked off - muttering  - "you got Diablo working under Linux?"... ;-)

> You been tracking that online game Shadowbane, by any chance?  I heard it was
> going to be the bomb!  Man, if they could get the online stuff working under
> winex, wouldn't that be totally it?

No, I hadn't been following that one (so much 'Nix stuff - so little time!)
. I've been keeping my fingers crossed that "Neverwinter Nights" would
make it over to us...Tux Games still has a March release date so I'm hoping. I
was really saddened to hear about Loki Games closing down. I had bought quite
a few games from them.

On a happier note, others seem to be still pushing the Linux gaming front
forwards so... ;-)

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Monday 11 February 2002 16:20, you wrote:

> But...something has actually been removed from the Transgaming version. 
> They didn't (apparently) take a good version of wine and add to it with
> their dx stuff, they did something unnecessary and removed functionality at
> the same time.
>
> ALL recent versions (over the last year or so) can do simple things like
> run certain versions of IE, notepad, yadda, yadda, and other apps.  There
> is no reason to remove that ability in order to add dx functionality - I
> suppose after several days of rest that is my mild conclusion.  I WILL give
> winex a try on my desktop when I want to try Deus Ex or Doom III or
> Wolfenstein.  On that system just windoze games are OK.  My expectation,
> however, would be that it is an EXTENDED version of a working wine rather
> than a partially crippled version.

Have you thought about what that other fellow suggested concerning Lin4Win?  
I just read an article in LinuxFormat (UK magazine) about how good it was at 
running M$ stuff like Office.  If half of what they say is true, it might be 
worth a look.

Then, too, I read that in that distro, unlike Wine, the Windoze apps are 
isolated (evidently in some kind of fast emulator), unlike the Wine solution, 
which is not a true emulator, but rather just a translator for API calls.

With that in mind, under Lin4Win, it may be possible to use the true 
emulation for your M$ apps, then use the Winex API translator for games and 
such.  It does not seem likely that there would be a conflict there.

But, like my brother told me the other day as I was making suggestions:

"HeyTheory is cheap.  But Practice is damn expensive. "

;)

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

> One odd thing I've had happen intermittently, is that just maybe 1 in 10
> sessions, KDE's system guard will pop up...I don't crash, or lockup, but I
> have to restart D2... Not sure what its supposed to be finding that is
> objectionable...

Hmmm.  That IS strange!  From what you're saying it sounds like you've got 
the whole KDE desktop loaded, taskbar and all.  Is that right?

If so you're probably exposed to every KDE component known to man.  ;)  I 
think  KDE is great; well, let me restate thatI love the apps.  But the 
desktop is a little too restrictive for my personal taste, so I run pure 
Enlightenment (with NO gnome anything) and then enable KDE support for the 
apps that I use from that desktop environment (Kmail, Kword, and Kspreadsheet 
are good examples).  This makes for a light, fast and nimble environment.

This has been a real blast.  I've got total latitude on the desktop, plus I 
can mooch the apps from whatever environment has the best one.  Abiword is a 
gtk app (I think) that I use also, more often that kword.

Maybe if you tried temporarily switching to another WM that you like working 
with, maybe one that's a little lighter, you could learn more about the 
problem.  Or, maybe KDE system guard has a logging system that could be 
looked at or activated.

> Oh, if you have the Bastille firewall installed, nobody else on the LAN can
> join my game if I'm hosting unless I issue a:
>
> service bastille-firewall stop
>
> before starting D2: LOD...

Interesting.  I installed the bastille firewall in one of the first 
installation iterations that I did, but then I read in Linux Journal some 
articles about iptables.  After that I started searching the net and found a 
SLEW of iptables scripts.  This to me seemed a better way to create and 
control the firewall; perhaps bastille does the same thing(using iptables), 
but I figured I wouldn't learn anything new by letting bastille do all the 
background work.  In any case, I was thinking that an iptables script may be 
out there on the net for you that allows D2-LOD to pass through the ports 
that it wants to have.  At the very least, the docs will tell you how to 
construct and issue an iptables command(s) to allow access to the ports you 
need.

If you want to see what D2 is doing while you're on the local lan and 
playing, so you can record what exactly it is doing with what ports and how, 
there's a kewl utility out there that I use called netwatch.  Check it out 
here:

http://www.slctech.org/~mackay/netwatch.html

When you get it installed, use the left/right arrow keys to change your 
views.  I was impressed with the things I could track using netwatch.  
Somebody out there may know about a more informative utility;  but as yet I 
haven't found one.


> This list *rules*...I'd have been lost in Linux without it!

I agree.  I've already solved a bunch of problems just in the short time I've 
been here.

> Thanks, like I said, next time I'm at the local Wal-mart, I'm gonna try to
> find the origianl BG2 and grab it. Oh...did you install it onto a Windoze
> partition first, then run it from there first, or (it looks like) you
> installed it all from Linux (onto a Linux partition)? Thx!

Yep, it was with absolutely no windoze installed whatsoever.  The routine was:

1) Clean from scratch install of LM81; only "KDE Workstation" selected, 
nothing else

2) Individual Package selection enabled; spent an hour an 1/2 picking 
packages by hand, leaving out the junk and unwanted stuff  (specifically 
avoided anything that required "gnome-core" as a dependency)

3) Recorded entire installation routine to floppy

4) Downloaded latest version of Winex (1.03 at the time)

5)  Installed winex and proceeded to run the setup.exe from the BG2 CD

6)  Switched back and forth from Installshield to Eterm to mount and unmount 
the BG2 CD's as needed and called for by install routine

7) Was forced to kill Installshield routine as it attempted to create icons 
on a nonexistent Winblows desktop at the very end

8) Nervously and with shaking hands typed in winex /path/to/Baldur.exe

9) Heart Attack

I tried it because on Transgaming they were talking about some problems they 
had knocked out with the Installshield program in version 1.03 winex.  That's 
what made the whole thing a mind blower; the installshield came up under the 
Hand of God etheme, kind of like in your face!  I wasn't expecting it because 
I'd had some problems with LM80 and winex functionality, so my jaw just 
dropped.

But hey, that was nothing compared to when the main entrance screen for 
Baldur's Gate 2 came up, and the music flowed out of my stereo system.  I 
know I looked stupid with my mouth hanging open and my eyes popping out, 
frozen solid for ten minutes...;)


> Absolutely! I was awed the first time I got Starcraft running. Darned near
> speechless (which all my friends would tell you is a truly rare event!!!)
>
> 

lol.  :) 

You been tracking that online game Sha

Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> No, as a matter of fact I was curious enough to track down some other threads
> of yours, and I saw that you were talking about being on a small net with
> your kids.  That's kind of where I'm at now; except I've still got another
> windoze machine and haven't yet loaded LM81 on it.  You are giving me a real
> good idea of what to expect, though...   :)

I'm glad I didn't confuse ya!

One odd thing I've had happen intermittently, is that just maybe 1 in 10
sessions, KDE's system guard will pop up...I don't crash, or lockup, but I
have to restart D2... Not sure what its supposed to be finding that is
objectionable...

Oh, if you have the Bastille firewall installed, nobody else on the LAN can
join my game if I'm hosting unless I issue a:

service bastille-firewall stop

before starting D2: LOD...

I can -join- any game anyone else is hosting on the LAN though. As soon as I'm
through playing, I just issue a:

service bastille-firewall start

to protect my system once again.

I just know that there is a way to edit the bastille config file to except the
machines on the LAN but I've not found it yet, and its not that hard to turn
bastille off and on... ;-)

> I'm real glad to hear that you've had plenty of success on the local lan with
> Diablo 2.  I think that any TCP/IP game stands a good chance of working at
> this point, from what you are telling me.  I did'nt expect to get in touch
> with anyone with your level of experience and winex on this list; it was a
> real nice bonus. I appreciate it greatly  :)

This list *rules*...I'd have been lost in Linux without it!

> It was BG2 right out of the box.  I've been meaning to install TOB and get
> everything upgraded, but I haven't taken that step yet.  I've been distracted
> by a " automatic installation" project, where I'm trying to get the perfect
> installation configuration file created, that has all the packages
> preselected.  That means I've reinstalled about three or four times; I think
> I've got it now.  The BG2 test was on the last installation, so I've got to
> reinstall it on this one.  No problem thereI love watching the
> installation screen !!

Thanks, like I said, next time I'm at the local Wal-mart, I'm gonna try to
find the origianl BG2 and grab it. Oh...did you install it onto a Windoze
partition first, then run it from there first, or (it looks like) you
installed it all from Linux (onto a Linux partition)? Thx!

> It's truly an odd sensation.  After 20 years of this stuff, I finally get to
> see a native Winblows app run on a Unix kernel.  You think about it for such
> a long time, it gives you a wierd but gratifying sensation when you actually
> see it happen.  The windows look so odd sitting there in an Enlightenment
> screen

I know just where you are coming from... ;-)

> I don't know if I'm making sense here...

Absolutely! I was awed the first time I got Starcraft running. Darned near
speechless (which all my friends would tell you is a truly rare event!!!)



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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[James]

All,
  In the intrest of making wine work a little bit better I offer this config file 
tweak I did to the font's section.  It seems to make it work faster/better 
---snip---

[afmdirs]
"1" = "/usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript/fonts"
"2" = "/usr/share/a2ps/afm"
"3" = "/usr/share/enscript"
"4" = "/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1"
"5" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/helvetic"
"6" = "/usr/local/open/share/siag/common/fonts"
"7" = "/usr/share/eel/fonts/urw"
"8" = "/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe"
"9" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/courier"
"10" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/avantgar"
"11" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/times"
"12" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/palatino"
"13" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/zapfding"
"14" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/ncntrsbk"
"15" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/symbol"
"16" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/urw/bookman"
"17" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/bitstrea/charter"
"19" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/helvetic"
"20" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/courier"
"21" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/times"
"22" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/palatino"
"23" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/ncntrsbk"
"24" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/avantgar"
"25" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/zapfchen"
"26" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/symbol"
"27" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/utopia"
"28" = "/usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/adobe/bookman"
"29" = "/usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts"


---snip

There are more .afm font's in Mandrake 8.1 but these alone seem to vastly improve 
performance.  

James









On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:25:40 -0700
"David Joham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I haven't tried 1.02, but I have tried 1.03 with good success. I don't
> have a libMFC42.so either, so maybe that's a change between versions.
> 
> Can you remove 1.02 and install 1.03? When you do, you *should* get lots
> of stuff in /usr/lib/transgaming 
> 
> It should also create a .transgaming directory in your home directory.
> In that directory, will be the configuration file and a c_drive
> directory.
> 
> Are you sure there aren't zombie processes of wineserver running on your
> machine slowing it down? Try shutting down X and starting back up. Does
> that help?
> 
> I'll send you privately a little Delphi application that I wrote for you
> to test with. It works "out of the box" on my system (over remote X to
> boot) and we'll see what happens on yours.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Praedor Tempus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1
> 
> 
> On Thursday 07 February 2002 01:43 pm, David Joham wrote:
> > With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> > tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> > constructive :)
> >
> > Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.
> 
> I'm venting.  What I am trying to accomplish is to simply get it to
> work, 
> period.  
> 
> I install it, run winex, and it doesn't do anything - OK, it DOES create
> a 
> config file in my .transgaming directory but it does NOT create a fake 
> c:\windows drive and it apparently doesn't install a critical library
> that it 
> needs to run:  libMFC42.so.  
> 
> Doing a search on my system and there is NO libMFC42 anywhere.  This is
> a 
> very winex-specific file but it apparently didn't install it?  Or if it
> did, 
> it doesn't know where it stuck its own file?  THIS pisses me off.   
> 
> Finally, there is a winesetup binary in the
> /usr/lib/transgaming/winex/bin 
> directory.  Running this app produces a tk window similar to something
> you'd 
> see with codeweavers.  It doesn't do anything but error out because it
> cannot 
> find yet another file that it should have installed itself (otherwise
> why 
> include this  binary in the first place?).
> 
> All this together is frustrating me to the point of yelling.  I paid 
> Transgaming money and have tried to use their winex several times over
> the 
> months and there is apparently no change at all in the result.  There is
> 
> absolutely NO documentation.  No instructions.  Nothing.  There isn't
> even 
> anything useful in regards to my problems on their website under the
> various 
> "Support" headings.  I looked.  
> 
> Where is libMFC42 and why can't it find it?  It is a winex file!  I
> didn't do 
> anything wierd, just installed the rpm.  Why didn't it create a fake 
> c:\windows directory or, barring that, why isn't there any documentation
> or 
> instructions on creating all this oneself?  
> 
> There.  
> 
> praedor
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Michael Leone]

On Mon, 2002-02-11 at 13:51, daRcmaTTeR wrote:

> If you Really want to be able to effectively and painlessly be able to run
> windows apps in from your Linux installation the only sane way of doing
> this reliably is with Win4Lin. It is, without a doubt, the best thing
> since sliced bread, for running "anything" that has anything to do with
> Windows on a Linux platform. Wine is for small things. Even codeweavers.
> it will not handle heavy apps correctly and reliably. Win4Lin is a little
> pricey, but you really do get what you pay for. And it does work. I've run
> all of the M$ Office apps with it; I've installed Windows in /var/tmp
> using it; I'm even willing to bet I could run something as resource
> intensive as Quark Xpress with it.

I've run Office 2000, Money 2000, Photoshop 6 and QuickTime Player in my
Win4Lin (not at the same time, of course :-). Win4Lin is GREAT. Don't
expect to run games, or things that require Direct X video calls (such
as the latest Windows Media Player, or RealOne. Otherwise, great stuff.


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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> 
> I'd be ecstatic if you could let me know about your network escapades
> regarding Baldur's Gate 2.  I'm dying to know if that part of it is working
> ok.
> 
> I've got another machine here, but it's going to take me a bit to get that
> system up and configured on the net.  I guess I'm assuming that you yourself
> have more than one linux box already.  Is that right?
> 
> Anyways, good luck with BG2.  You might be interested to know that there's a
> guy on Transgaming that got Icewind Dale to work too; even though that is
> considered technically to be an "unsupported" game.  I haven't tried that
> yet, but I'm going to...
> 
> Have phun.   ;)

Oh, just to make something clear, I've not even tried Battlenet with Diablo 2:
LOD...I've only used it on a LAN, with 2 Windoze boxes. Hope I didn't mislead
ya there.

I've not gotten Starcraft to work with Battlenet (although I read that its
supposed to be possible) or across my LAN. I think this is because Starcraft
uses IPX, and Diablo 2 uses Tcp/ip. Its my understanding that getting net-
working going with Starcraft is gonna be worked on as well (by Transgaming).

BTW, if you don't mind, what version/release/chapter of Baldurs Gate did you
get to work?

Thanks much! ;-)

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

I'd be ecstatic if you could let me know about your network escapades 
regarding Baldur's Gate 2.  I'm dying to know if that part of it is working 
ok.

I've got another machine here, but it's going to take me a bit to get that 
system up and configured on the net.  I guess I'm assuming that you yourself 
have more than one linux box already.  Is that right?

Anyways, good luck with BG2.  You might be interested to know that there's a 
guy on Transgaming that got Icewind Dale to work too; even though that is 
considered technically to be an "unsupported" game.  I haven't tried that 
yet, but I'm going to...

Have phun.   ;)

On Saturday 09 February 2002 11:40, you wrote:
> Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > Darklord:
> >
> > Have you tried networking BG2, by any chance?
>
> Nope, sorry. I don't have Baldurs Gate 2... (not yet!) Since I see you've
> got it working, I'll probably go out to the local Wal-mart and pick up a
> copy just to see what damage I can do! 
>
> See ya!

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

What did you do to get IE running?  Were you working from a windows partition 
or did you install IE from a cdrom?

On Thursday 07 February 2002 21:13, you wrote:
> Your applet runs fine.  mspaint.exe doesn't run with winex *only*.  I CAN
> run it with codeweavers wine and with winehq's wine.  I can also run IE,
> wordpad, notepad, etc - just not with winex.  The other wines work and the
> winex complains about libMFC42 and/or mmx.
>
> I can only conclude that for some reason the winex version is incomplete vs
> codeweavers and winehq.
>
> On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:25 pm, David Joham wrote:
> > I haven't tried 1.02, but I have tried 1.03 with good success. I don't
> > have a libMFC42.so either, so maybe that's a change between versions.
>
> [...]
>
> > I'll send you privately a little Delphi application that I wrote for you
> > to test with. It works "out of the box" on my system (over remote X to
> > boot) and we'll see what happens on yours.
>
> [...]b

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> Darklord:
> 
> Have you tried networking BG2, by any chance?

Nope, sorry. I don't have Baldurs Gate 2... (not yet!) Since I see you've got
it working, I'll probably go out to the local Wal-mart and pick up a copy just
to see what damage I can do! 

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Lyvim Xaphir]

Praedor:

I don't know what your problem is, but what I can say is that it's related to 
your system, and not Winex.  I can tell you that I've had unprecedented 
success with installing and running Baldur's Gate 2a game of such size 
and complexity that I NEVER expected to see this soon in the "game".  Pun 
intended.

There are several issues with regard to Winex that you might want to 
consider.  First, I myself had wine installed at one time, which I 
uninstalled and subsequently bought and downloaded. Incidentally the 
subscription cost is only something like $6.00 a month, so I don't really 
understand the ire you have at paying that either; I pay more for bubblegum 
machine support in three days for my son than that.

Anyway, I noticed that winex was "tickling the hard drive", as you say.  
Since my system was getting some age on it, I backed up my ~/ directory, 
formatted the partitions, and reinstalled LM81 from scratch, with nothing 
except KDE workstation, development stuff, and Enlightenment.  After getting 
my home directory back in place, I reinstalled winex, and slapped Baldur's 
Gate 2, Installation disk 1 in the main CDROM just for grins and giggles.

I was thrilled to see an installation screen come up.  I had to shunt to a 
root Eterm and mount/unmount the CD's every time there was a CD change, but 
that was probably because I havent taken the time to enable supermount or 
something similar.  In any case, the game installed and I brought it up (WITH 
SOUND !!!).  Needless to say, as this was something I've been waiting for for 
quite a while, I've seldom been more thrilled.

The bottom line here is that I think you need to seriously reexamine your own 
configuration from the standpoint of a fresh install that's never had Wine 
installed at all.


Darklord:

Have you tried networking BG2, by any chance?


David Joham wrote:
> 
> With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> constructive :)
> 
> Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.
> 
> My experience with winex has been very good. It doesn't need much
> configuration because it tries to guess all of the configuration itself,
> for better or worse. Maybe I got lucky.
> 
> What are you trying to accomplish?
> 
> David

Ditto here. Works great. I did change my config file to add my CDRW as well as
my first CD (which is a DVD) but other than that...flawless, even allowing me
to play networking with Diablo 2: LOD with my sons Windoze boxes...

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> > With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> > tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> > constructive :)
> >
> > Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.
>
> I'm venting.  What I am trying to accomplish is to simply get it to work,
> period.
>
> I install it, run winex, and it doesn't do anything - OK, it DOES create a
> config file in my .transgaming directory but it does NOT create a fake
> c:\windows drive and it apparently doesn't install a critical library that
> it needs to run:  libMFC42.so.
>
> Doing a search on my system and there is NO libMFC42 anywhere.  This is a
> very winex-specific file but it apparently didn't install it?  Or if it
> did, it doesn't know where it stuck its own file?  THIS pisses me off.
>
> Finally, there is a winesetup binary in the /usr/lib/transgaming/winex/bin
> directory.  Running this app produces a tk window similar to something
> you'd see with codeweavers.  It doesn't do anything but error out because
> it cannot find yet another file that it should have installed itself
> (otherwise why include this  binary in the first place?).
>
> All this together is frustrating me to the point of yelling.  I paid
> Transgaming money and have tried to use their winex several times over the
> months and there is apparently no change at all in the result.  There is
> absolutely NO documentation.  No instructions.  Nothing.  There isn't even
> anything useful in regards to my problems on their website under the
> various "Support" headings.  I looked.
>
> Where is libMFC42 and why can't it find it?  It is a winex file!  I didn't
> do anything wierd, just installed the rpm.  Why didn't it create a fake
> c:\windows directory or, barring that, why isn't there any documentation or
> instructions on creating all this oneself?
>
> There.
>
> praedor

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[James]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:18:28 -0600
Richard Wenninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 08 February 2002 08:15 am, you wrote:
> > I installed the prebuilt rpm.  I tried:
> >
> > WineX-1.0-2 and WineX-1.0-3 rpms, the latest preview 5 of
codeweavers-wine,
> > and the latest stripped winehq binary.  Upon installing a new wine
version
> > I always run a quick test to get a general feel as to how well it will
> > likely do the job.  Basically, I try to run any 3 or so of the
following: 
> > notepad, wordpad, IE, mspaint, solitaire and minesweeper.  If the new
wine

Using codeweavers latest I've gotten IE (without icons) mspaint
solitare
 (but hearts locks up dang it) and minesweeper to run.  Wordpad crashes
before the load and Notepad runs pretty well although it does sometimes
crash after a save.  With the transgaming version of wine I remember
talking to the guys at Linux world, They stated then that thier intrest
was in games and getting them to Linux.  If they had to make a choice
between optimal game performance and "other" msapps the games would win. 
Kinda like how crossover is optimized for Quicktime. OH and I have gotten
Word 97 to run under wine a tad bit flakey and crash prone but it does
run.  (Hancom office is better so I stick with that as much as possible). 
But still if I really want windows apps to run right.  Win4lin or vmWare
is the best way to go.  

  
> > has no trouble running these then I know that it wasn't broken from
> > previous releases (ALL the winehq and codeweaver releases over the
last
> > year have no problem with these simple apps).  I also assume that it
will
> > do a reasonable job of running other apps of more importance (these
are
> > just my testers).  I then might try Diablo, StarCraft, Half-Life to
make
> > sure they work. I haven't ever gotten this far with WineX.  WineX
cannot
> > run a single one of the test apps.  This tells me 2 things, 1) WineX
is
> > LESS functional than any of the freely available versions of wine -
but it
> > costs money, and 2) it isn't likely to have much luck with/cannot be
> > trusted to be able to handle ANY other app. 
> 
> Something is definately wrong on your system, as I use winex, and it
works 
> better than any wine I've tried, having tried all the above.
> 
> >I do not just want a few games
> > to work (they work with the other variants afterall), but I also
wan't/need
> > for non-game apps to work too.  With WineX you are assured that
whether an
> > app works or not is a total, complete crapshoot with poorer odds than
any
> > other wine variant.
> >   My beef involves several things.  If you are going to charge for it,
it
> > damn-well better be AT LEAST of equal functionality to any of the
freely
> > available variants (and I've repeatedly demonstrated that it is
actually
> > less functional).  Another beef is the absolute lack of ANY
> > documentation/instructions to go with it...or the complete lack of any
> > message output for why things aren't working.  I had to do straces to
get
> 
> I agree with you here.  The documentation sucks/is non-extistant.
> 
> > any useful information out of winex - only to find that it requires
> > something that it isn't supplying (but EVERY other free non-winex
version
> > DOES supply/doesn't need, to whit, libMFC42 and /usr/lib/mmx, whatever
THAT
> > is). Finally, it does NOT get along with an already installed windoze.
 It
> > insists on one choice:  install the "fake" windoze.  So, this means
that if
> > you already have apps/games installed via windoze, they are useless to
you.
> 
> I use winex to run programs on my native windows partition without
problems.
> 
> >  You are expected to reinstall all of them into your linux system,
usually
> > into your individual HOME directory.  So, if you want to use winex as
it
> > appears to be designed, you have to allocate gigabytes of space to
each
> > HOME directory so there is enough space to install huge games or other
apps
> > that may already happily reside somewhere else on your system -
installed
> > via windoze.  All the other wine variants have no problem with this. 
WineX
> > apparently does.  
> 
> Not true.
> 
> >It would be one thing if winex was functional enough that
> > you could safely remove windoze entirely from your system (that would
be
> > nice) but it clearly isn't (can't run notepad!? C'MON!).
> 
> Yes it can.
> 
> >   I paid my Transgaming subscription fee so I could access their fully
> > functional WineX.  The cvs source is freely available but lacks
certain
> > capabilities - which really doesn't bode well since their
"fully-capable"
> > pay-to-download version appears, by all measures I've tried, to be
less
> > capable overall than any other freely available wine.  I mean C'MON! 
It
> > can't even run mspaint?!  How hard is that?  It can't handle a very
trivial
> > windoze app and I should trust that it will handle non-trivial, more
> > important apps?  ALL other wine variants over the last year (at least)
c

Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Praedor Tempus wrote:



> isn't likely to have much luck with/cannot be trusted to be able to handle
> ANY other app.  I do not just want a few games to work (they work with the
> other variants afterall), but I also wan't/need for non-game apps to work
> too.  With WineX you are assured that whether an app works or not is a total,
> complete crapshoot with poorer odds than any other wine variant.

Well, I guess you and I are on opposite poles.  I have not one single
need for any Windows app that I know of (non-entertainment). Linux meets my
needs quite nicely. The -only- reason I still have Windows on a partition is
because of games. So...WineX - out of the box RPM install and all, plays the 2
games I need Windows for *perfectly*. Starcraft and Diablo 2: LOD. Note that
networking works great in D2 but I can not get it to work in SC. I'm under the
impression that is one of many "to do" things being worked on though. If/when
that happens, the Windows partition on my 'Nix box is gone, gone, long
gone...(I might just trash it anyways) .

Note that in my case, Wine/Codeweavers Wine would NOT play Diablo 2. They both
did play Starcraft just fine though...Just "in my experience", as always
YMMV... ;-)



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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Richard Wenninger]

On Friday 08 February 2002 08:15 am, you wrote:
> I installed the prebuilt rpm.  I tried:
>
> WineX-1.0-2 and WineX-1.0-3 rpms, the latest preview 5 of codeweavers-wine,
> and the latest stripped winehq binary.  Upon installing a new wine version
> I always run a quick test to get a general feel as to how well it will
> likely do the job.  Basically, I try to run any 3 or so of the following: 
> notepad, wordpad, IE, mspaint, solitaire and minesweeper.  If the new wine
> has no trouble running these then I know that it wasn't broken from
> previous releases (ALL the winehq and codeweaver releases over the last
> year have no problem with these simple apps).  I also assume that it will
> do a reasonable job of running other apps of more importance (these are
> just my testers).  I then might try Diablo, StarCraft, Half-Life to make
> sure they work. I haven't ever gotten this far with WineX.  WineX cannot
> run a single one of the test apps.  This tells me 2 things, 1) WineX is
> LESS functional than any of the freely available versions of wine - but it
> costs money, and 2) it isn't likely to have much luck with/cannot be
> trusted to be able to handle ANY other app. 

Something is definately wrong on your system, as I use winex, and it works 
better than any wine I've tried, having tried all the above.

>I do not just want a few games
> to work (they work with the other variants afterall), but I also wan't/need
> for non-game apps to work too.  With WineX you are assured that whether an
> app works or not is a total, complete crapshoot with poorer odds than any
> other wine variant.
>   My beef involves several things.  If you are going to charge for it, it
> damn-well better be AT LEAST of equal functionality to any of the freely
> available variants (and I've repeatedly demonstrated that it is actually
> less functional).  Another beef is the absolute lack of ANY
> documentation/instructions to go with it...or the complete lack of any
> message output for why things aren't working.  I had to do straces to get

I agree with you here.  The documentation sucks/is non-extistant.

> any useful information out of winex - only to find that it requires
> something that it isn't supplying (but EVERY other free non-winex version
> DOES supply/doesn't need, to whit, libMFC42 and /usr/lib/mmx, whatever THAT
> is). Finally, it does NOT get along with an already installed windoze.  It
> insists on one choice:  install the "fake" windoze.  So, this means that if
> you already have apps/games installed via windoze, they are useless to you.

I use winex to run programs on my native windows partition without problems.

>  You are expected to reinstall all of them into your linux system, usually
> into your individual HOME directory.  So, if you want to use winex as it
> appears to be designed, you have to allocate gigabytes of space to each
> HOME directory so there is enough space to install huge games or other apps
> that may already happily reside somewhere else on your system - installed
> via windoze.  All the other wine variants have no problem with this.  WineX
> apparently does.  

Not true.

>It would be one thing if winex was functional enough that
> you could safely remove windoze entirely from your system (that would be
> nice) but it clearly isn't (can't run notepad!? C'MON!).

Yes it can.

>   I paid my Transgaming subscription fee so I could access their fully
> functional WineX.  The cvs source is freely available but lacks certain
> capabilities - which really doesn't bode well since their "fully-capable"
> pay-to-download version appears, by all measures I've tried, to be less
> capable overall than any other freely available wine.  I mean C'MON!  It
> can't even run mspaint?!  How hard is that?  It can't handle a very trivial
> windoze app and I should trust that it will handle non-trivial, more
> important apps?  ALL other wine variants over the last year (at least) can
> handle this simple little test and then run a number of others to boot.
>   I checked and rechecked the config file...no problems there that I could
> see (and of course there is that totaly lack of documentation or
> instructions too).  The first time I installed it, I tried to get around
> its insane requirement that it install into your personal HOME directory
> instead of ONE install for everyone to access.  That didn't work even
> though by logic it should have.  I then uninstalled it, installed preview-5
> of codeweavers and viola!  Worked like a champ, provides the very
> informative and friendly configuration process with lots of messages and
> information (more than you really need actually).  I then uninstalled it
> and tried WineX-1.0-3.  No worky again on my test apps.  Out it went and
> back went codeweavers.  If I really need it, I can always download a daily
> build from winehq and be reasonably certain that it will be more functional
> out of the chocks than winex has ever proven to be for me.  I paid money
> for thi

Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

I installed the prebuilt rpm.  I tried:

WineX-1.0-2 and WineX-1.0-3 rpms, the latest preview 5 of codeweavers-wine, 
and the latest stripped winehq binary.  Upon installing a new wine version I 
always run a quick test to get a general feel as to how well it will likely 
do the job.  Basically, I try to run any 3 or so of the following:  notepad, 
wordpad, IE, mspaint, solitaire and minesweeper.  If the new wine has no 
trouble running these then I know that it wasn't broken from previous 
releases (ALL the winehq and codeweaver releases over the last year have no 
problem with these simple apps).  I also assume that it will do a reasonable 
job of running other apps of more importance (these are just my testers).  I 
then might try Diablo, StarCraft, Half-Life to make sure they work.  
  I haven't ever gotten this far with WineX.  WineX cannot run a single one 
of the test apps.  This tells me 2 things, 1) WineX is LESS functional than 
any of the freely available versions of wine - but it costs money, and 2) it 
isn't likely to have much luck with/cannot be trusted to be able to handle 
ANY other app.  I do not just want a few games to work (they work with the 
other variants afterall), but I also wan't/need for non-game apps to work 
too.  With WineX you are assured that whether an app works or not is a total, 
complete crapshoot with poorer odds than any other wine variant.
  My beef involves several things.  If you are going to charge for it, it 
damn-well better be AT LEAST of equal functionality to any of the freely 
available variants (and I've repeatedly demonstrated that it is actually less 
functional).  Another beef is the absolute lack of ANY 
documentation/instructions to go with it...or the complete lack of any 
message output for why things aren't working.  I had to do straces to get any 
useful information out of winex - only to find that it requires something 
that it isn't supplying (but EVERY other free non-winex version DOES 
supply/doesn't need, to whit, libMFC42 and /usr/lib/mmx, whatever THAT is).  
Finally, it does NOT get along with an already installed windoze.  It insists 
on one choice:  install the "fake" windoze.  So, this means that if you 
already have apps/games installed via windoze, they are useless to you.  You 
are expected to reinstall all of them into your linux system, usually into 
your individual HOME directory.  So, if you want to use winex as it appears 
to be designed, you have to allocate gigabytes of space to each HOME 
directory so there is enough space to install huge games or other apps that 
may already happily reside somewhere else on your system - installed via 
windoze.  All the other wine variants have no problem with this.  WineX 
apparently does.  It would be one thing if winex was functional enough that 
you could safely remove windoze entirely from your system (that would be 
nice) but it clearly isn't (can't run notepad!? C'MON!).
  I paid my Transgaming subscription fee so I could access their fully 
functional WineX.  The cvs source is freely available but lacks certain 
capabilities - which really doesn't bode well since their "fully-capable"
pay-to-download version appears, by all measures I've tried, to be less 
capable overall than any other freely available wine.  I mean C'MON!  It 
can't even run mspaint?!  How hard is that?  It can't handle a very trivial 
windoze app and I should trust that it will handle non-trivial, more 
important apps?  ALL other wine variants over the last year (at least) can 
handle this simple little test and then run a number of others to boot.  
  I checked and rechecked the config file...no problems there that I could 
see (and of course there is that totaly lack of documentation or instructions 
too).  The first time I installed it, I tried to get around its insane 
requirement that it install into your personal HOME directory instead of ONE 
install for everyone to access.  That didn't work even though by logic it 
should have.  I then uninstalled it, installed preview-5 of codeweavers and 
viola!  Worked like a champ, provides the very informative and friendly 
configuration process with lots of messages and information (more than you 
really need actually).  I then uninstalled it and tried WineX-1.0-3.  No 
worky again on my test apps.  Out it went and back went codeweavers.  If I 
really need it, I can always download a daily build from winehq and be 
reasonably certain that it will be more functional out of the chocks than 
winex has ever proven to be for me.  I paid money for this (winex).  THAT 
irritates me no end.

On Friday 08 February 2002 06:32 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Praedor Tempus wrote:
> > I installed WineX 1.0-2 on my system and it doesn't work at all.  NOTHING
> > will run from it.  Not notepad, not IE, not wordpad, nothing.  All it
> > does is tickle the harddrive for an instant and then nothing.
[...]
> Hi. I'm surprised it doesn't at least give an error message...but...go into
> you

Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Praedor Tempus wrote:

> I'm venting.  What I am trying to accomplish is to simply get it to work,
> period.
> 
> I install it, run winex, and it doesn't do anything - OK, it DOES create a
> config file in my .transgaming directory but it does NOT create a fake
> c:\windows drive and it apparently doesn't install a critical library that it
> needs to run:  libMFC42.so.
> 
> Doing a search on my system and there is NO libMFC42 anywhere.  This is a
> very winex-specific file but it apparently didn't install it?  Or if it did,
> it doesn't know where it stuck its own file?  THIS pisses me off.
> 
> Finally, there is a winesetup binary in the /usr/lib/transgaming/winex/bin
> directory.  Running this app produces a tk window similar to something you'd
> see with codeweavers.  It doesn't do anything but error out because it cannot
> find yet another file that it should have installed itself (otherwise why
> include this  binary in the first place?).
> 
> All this together is frustrating me to the point of yelling.  I paid
> Transgaming money and have tried to use their winex several times over the
> months and there is apparently no change at all in the result.  There is
> absolutely NO documentation.  No instructions.  Nothing.  There isn't even
> anything useful in regards to my problems on their website under the various
> "Support" headings.  I looked.
> 
> Where is libMFC42 and why can't it find it?  It is a winex file!  I didn't do
> anything wierd, just installed the rpm.  Why didn't it create a fake
> c:\windows directory or, barring that, why isn't there any documentation or
> instructions on creating all this oneself?
> 
> There.
> 
> praedor

Okay, my /home/darklord/.transgaming directory -does- have a fake c_drive
folder in it (and inside of that, /Program Files and /windows) and it did this
from the RPM install, so dunno what happened with your setup...try
reinstalling maybe?

As far as libMFC42 or libMFC42.so goes, "whereis", "locate", and "find"
produced no results on my system...its not here...

Wish I could help more... ;-(

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

Praedor Tempus wrote:
> 
> I installed WineX 1.0-2 on my system and it doesn't work at all.  NOTHING
> will run from it.  Not notepad, not IE, not wordpad, nothing.  All it does is
> tickle the harddrive for an instant and then nothing.
> 
> I don't get it.  WineX is supposed to be REAL compatible with Mandrake 8.1
> (it is the heart of the gaming edition).  Virtually ANY version of regular
> wine will run notepad, wordpad, and my IE but this version of wine in
> particular wont do anything at all.
> 
> What is the trick here?  I do a "winex  and nothing
> happens, not even error messages.
> 
> praedor

Hi. I'm surprised it doesn't at least give an error message...but...go into
your /home/user/.transgaming directory and open up config (its a text file).
Make sure that the paths/settings are correct for your system. Maybe they
wouldn't configured right during installation?

I used that version of Winex before upgrading to 1.0-3, and it worked fine
here on Starcraft and Diablo 2: Lord of Destuction. I've not tried anything
else.

I did use the prebuilt RPMs...did you roll your own?

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

David Joham wrote:
> 
> With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> constructive :)
> 
> Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.
> 
> My experience with winex has been very good. It doesn't need much
> configuration because it tries to guess all of the configuration itself,
> for better or worse. Maybe I got lucky.
> 
> What are you trying to accomplish?
> 
> David

Ditto here. Works great. I did change my config file to add my CDRW as well as
my first CD (which is a DVD) but other than that...flawless, even allowing me
to play networking with Diablo 2: LOD with my sons Windoze boxes...

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

Your applet runs fine.  mspaint.exe doesn't run with winex *only*.  I CAN 
run it with codeweavers wine and with winehq's wine.  I can also run IE, 
wordpad, notepad, etc - just not with winex.  The other wines work and the 
winex complains about libMFC42 and/or mmx.  

I can only conclude that for some reason the winex version is incomplete vs 
codeweavers and winehq.

On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:25 pm, David Joham wrote:
> I haven't tried 1.02, but I have tried 1.03 with good success. I don't
> have a libMFC42.so either, so maybe that's a change between versions.
[...]
> I'll send you privately a little Delphi application that I wrote for you
> to test with. It works "out of the box" on my system (over remote X to
> boot) and we'll see what happens on yours.
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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:25 pm, David Joham wrote:
> I haven't tried 1.02, but I have tried 1.03 with good success. I don't
> have a libMFC42.so either, so maybe that's a change between versions.
>
> Can you remove 1.02 and install 1.03? When you do, you *should* get lots
> of stuff in /usr/lib/transgaming
>
> It should also create a .transgaming directory in your home directory.
> In that directory, will be the configuration file and a c_drive
> directory.
>
> Are you sure there aren't zombie processes of wineserver running on your
> machine slowing it down? Try shutting down X and starting back up. Does
> that help?
>
> I'll send you privately a little Delphi application that I wrote for you
> to test with. It works "out of the box" on my system (over remote X to
> boot) and we'll see what happens on yours.

I'll try it out.  I do wonder about the libMFC42 thing.  Every time I have 
previously tried winex I have run into that error - and an error about not 
finding /usr/lib/mmx(?!).  I tried again with a newer one and still the same 
problem.  I do have 1.0-3 too but haven't yet tried it.  

Try to run mspaint.exe or wordpad.exe or iexplorer.exe.  Whenever I try them 
I get the libMFC42 error (if I use the -debugmessages -err flags OR do an 
strace on it) and a missing /usr/lib/mmx message too.   

Maddening.  I'll try 1.0-3 next.  

I rebooted to eliminate the slowdown and haven't tried running winex again 
(yet).  I did look at all the processes with kpm and didn't see anything at 
all associated with winex running or zombied.  Just an apparent memory 
problem with swapping up the ying-yang.   I tried to wait it out but after a 
few minutes of quiet, any action on my part with anything at all caused 
swapping to go nuts again and slw reactions.  I'd think it indicates a 
memory leak in winex...

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

On Thursday 07 February 2002 01:43 pm, David Joham wrote:
> With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> constructive :)
>
> Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.

I uninstalled and reinstalled winex.  Same old "stuff":  "libMFC42.so  no 
such file or directory" when I try to run ANYTHING with winex.

This is a built-in winex problem.  If it needs libMFC42.so, then it should 
supply it and know exactly where it put it.  It doesn't on either count and 
this, to me, means it is broken or worse.  

Again, I did nothing wierd or non-standard or tricky.  Just the old "rpm -i 
WineX-1.0-2.i386.rpm".  There are no other wines on my system to confuse 
things and I have altered nothing.  

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RE: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[David Joham]

I haven't tried 1.02, but I have tried 1.03 with good success. I don't
have a libMFC42.so either, so maybe that's a change between versions.

Can you remove 1.02 and install 1.03? When you do, you *should* get lots
of stuff in /usr/lib/transgaming 

It should also create a .transgaming directory in your home directory.
In that directory, will be the configuration file and a c_drive
directory.

Are you sure there aren't zombie processes of wineserver running on your
machine slowing it down? Try shutting down X and starting back up. Does
that help?

I'll send you privately a little Delphi application that I wrote for you
to test with. It works "out of the box" on my system (over remote X to
boot) and we'll see what happens on yours.

Best regards,

David

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From: Praedor Tempus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1


On Thursday 07 February 2002 01:43 pm, David Joham wrote:
> With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> constructive :)
>
> Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.

I'm venting.  What I am trying to accomplish is to simply get it to
work, 
period.  

I install it, run winex, and it doesn't do anything - OK, it DOES create
a 
config file in my .transgaming directory but it does NOT create a fake 
c:\windows drive and it apparently doesn't install a critical library
that it 
needs to run:  libMFC42.so.  

Doing a search on my system and there is NO libMFC42 anywhere.  This is
a 
very winex-specific file but it apparently didn't install it?  Or if it
did, 
it doesn't know where it stuck its own file?  THIS pisses me off.   

Finally, there is a winesetup binary in the
/usr/lib/transgaming/winex/bin 
directory.  Running this app produces a tk window similar to something
you'd 
see with codeweavers.  It doesn't do anything but error out because it
cannot 
find yet another file that it should have installed itself (otherwise
why 
include this  binary in the first place?).

All this together is frustrating me to the point of yelling.  I paid 
Transgaming money and have tried to use their winex several times over
the 
months and there is apparently no change at all in the result.  There is

absolutely NO documentation.  No instructions.  Nothing.  There isn't
even 
anything useful in regards to my problems on their website under the
various 
"Support" headings.  I looked.  

Where is libMFC42 and why can't it find it?  It is a winex file!  I
didn't do 
anything wierd, just installed the rpm.  Why didn't it create a fake 
c:\windows directory or, barring that, why isn't there any documentation
or 
instructions on creating all this oneself?  

There.  

praedor




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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

Oh and one more thing...since installing WineX on my system, it has slowed to 
a miserable crawl.  Lots and lots and lots of disk-thrashing even if I am not 
running wine/winex.  It has done something evil to my system - almost like 
trying to run Mandrake on a 64 MB system.  LOTS of swapping with nothing to 
indicate why this is happening (kpm doesn't show anything goofy running 
beyond the normal stuff - and no wine/winex stuff either).

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

On Thursday 07 February 2002 01:43 pm, David Joham wrote:
> With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
> tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
> constructive :)
>
> Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.

I'm venting.  What I am trying to accomplish is to simply get it to work, 
period.  

I install it, run winex, and it doesn't do anything - OK, it DOES create a 
config file in my .transgaming directory but it does NOT create a fake 
c:\windows drive and it apparently doesn't install a critical library that it 
needs to run:  libMFC42.so.  

Doing a search on my system and there is NO libMFC42 anywhere.  This is a 
very winex-specific file but it apparently didn't install it?  Or if it did, 
it doesn't know where it stuck its own file?  THIS pisses me off.   

Finally, there is a winesetup binary in the /usr/lib/transgaming/winex/bin 
directory.  Running this app produces a tk window similar to something you'd 
see with codeweavers.  It doesn't do anything but error out because it cannot 
find yet another file that it should have installed itself (otherwise why 
include this  binary in the first place?).

All this together is frustrating me to the point of yelling.  I paid 
Transgaming money and have tried to use their winex several times over the 
months and there is apparently no change at all in the result.  There is 
absolutely NO documentation.  No instructions.  Nothing.  There isn't even 
anything useful in regards to my problems on their website under the various 
"Support" headings.  I looked.  

Where is libMFC42 and why can't it find it?  It is a winex file!  I didn't do 
anything wierd, just installed the rpm.  Why didn't it create a fake 
c:\windows directory or, barring that, why isn't there any documentation or 
instructions on creating all this oneself?  

There.  

praedor



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RE: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[David Joham]

With all due respect, instead of arbitrary complaints, perhaps a "I
tried this and it didn't work-any suggestions?" Email might be more
constructive :)

Unless you were just venting. In that case, I understand.

My experience with winex has been very good. It doesn't need much
configuration because it tries to guess all of the configuration itself,
for better or worse. Maybe I got lucky.

What are you trying to accomplish?

David

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1


On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:45 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote:
> I installed WineX 1.0-2 on my system and it doesn't work at all.
NOTHING
> will run from it.  Not notepad, not IE, not wordpad, nothing.  All it
does
> is tickle the harddrive for an instant and then nothing.

Boy, months of work and the Transgaming winex is still THE most 
difficult-to-use wine version on the planet.  Codeweavers?  Works right
out 
of the chocks.  WineHQ standard wine?  Works like a champ, no muss, no
fuss.  
Transgaming winex?  NO documentation, NO help, nothing.  It doesn't have
a 
configuration app ala codeweavers though it has a broken link to such an
app. 
 It doesn't explain anything about use requirements, command syntax.

I have a winex binary that doesn't do squat.  This is a broken design.
I 
tried it months ago, paid my membership fee, etc, and it stank then and
it 
hasn't improved one iota since.  

Mandrake, if you are going to be in bed with these guys how about some 
documentation or a setup tool to make it work?

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Re: [expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:45 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote:
> I installed WineX 1.0-2 on my system and it doesn't work at all.  NOTHING
> will run from it.  Not notepad, not IE, not wordpad, nothing.  All it does
> is tickle the harddrive for an instant and then nothing.

Boy, months of work and the Transgaming winex is still THE most 
difficult-to-use wine version on the planet.  Codeweavers?  Works right out 
of the chocks.  WineHQ standard wine?  Works like a champ, no muss, no fuss.  
Transgaming winex?  NO documentation, NO help, nothing.  It doesn't have a 
configuration app ala codeweavers though it has a broken link to such an app. 
 It doesn't explain anything about use requirements, command syntax.

I have a winex binary that doesn't do squat.  This is a broken design.  I 
tried it months ago, paid my membership fee, etc, and it stank then and it 
hasn't improved one iota since.  

Mandrake, if you are going to be in bed with these guys how about some 
documentation or a setup tool to make it work?

praedor



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[expert] WineX (transgaming) and 8.1

[Praedor Tempus]

I installed WineX 1.0-2 on my system and it doesn't work at all.  NOTHING 
will run from it.  Not notepad, not IE, not wordpad, nothing.  All it does is 
tickle the harddrive for an instant and then nothing.

I don't get it.  WineX is supposed to be REAL compatible with Mandrake 8.1 
(it is the heart of the gaming edition).  Virtually ANY version of regular 
wine will run notepad, wordpad, and my IE but this version of wine in 
particular wont do anything at all.  

What is the trick here?  I do a "winex  and nothing 
happens, not even error messages.

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