[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the neil young version at Bob-Fest. I agree with most of what you say, and my life mirrors yours in many respects -- though I was in high school when highway 61 blaseted onto the scene, and in jr high when the earlier acoustic albums hit (and they were revolutionary too). And Blonde on Blonde ..whew .. So many great albums. And some of his mid stuff -- like the album with Emmy-Lou Harris -- is incredibly moving. oh sister, sister ... And I download dylan lyrics on occaision and revel in them -- as you do. But I always hear them with the music. But today, I read them as words, as poetry, sans music. And you know what? As a pure, words only poet, Dylan is a bit sophmoric and trite, IMO. Even Dylan hates a lot of his earlier stuff. (though I still love it, just not as isolated words -- cast as great poetry.) Its the combo of music and his words that are transcendent -- as in facilitating transcendence from fixed current views. Yup. It's the music that captures the in-the-momentness of it. One of the things that I missed for many years, until I started seeing Dylan live again, is that every one of the songs on the albums that we think of as the definitive version of the song is just the way he happened to sing it at one moment in time. Live, Dylan has never performed the same song the same way twice. And he probably will. THAT may be what makes the combination of the words and the music so potent. As pure poets I will still take Pablo Neruda (even in english translation he rocks, which is amazing) and TS Elliot. I know: Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower. While calypso singers laugh at them. And fishermen hold flowers. Not to mention that he quoted lines from each of them earlier in the verse. :-) But, ol' TS: April is the cruelest month Breeding lilacs out of the dead land, Mixing memory and desire, stirring Dull roots with spring rain. He captures the whole cycle of samskara in four lovely lines. Yeah, but could he play guitar and harmonica and sing badly? It's the whole package, dude. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't take this all so seriously, Judy. I don't know about these other guys, but I'm just majorly amused tonight at you pretending not to be enlightened, and striving so hard to keep up the pretense. You keep getting the words wrong, Barry. And you a writer... To pretend something, you have to know it isn't true. Exactly. You know that it isn't true that you are not enlightened. I think it was Akasha who suggested something for you to actually *do* to experience enlightenment. Gosh, I could have sworn it was you who keeps saying there *isn't* anything you can do to experience enlightenment. There isn't. But you still didn't do it. Truly foolish. You blew it off. I did? You will never actually try it. I won't? I haven't? You did. You won't. You haven't. And a few weeks from now you'll be back complaining that you're still in ignorance. I've never complained about being in ignorance. You've never BEEN ignorant. But you complain about it anyway. Go figure. If that's not funny, what is? Your inability to deal with reality. Says the woman who is pretending to be unenlightened. You'll never get any of this until you do, Judy. And then it'll seem very funny... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part two is next week, I think. Don't miss it. Did you see two hours or one hour last night? I have a two hour version on tonight. Is there an additional 2 hour segment (four hours total)? Or is 2 hours the whole thing (the real thing)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow realization -- denying the validity I'm not denying anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. (perfection, is-ness, ever-presence, whatever) of your fundamental criterion for ignorance -- trying *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance. I'm not trying to do anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. In denying ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if) stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely ideas *in us* :-) I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Being realized isn't like anything Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. -- other than (say, in that moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi
The Ann Arbor News Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation Monday, September 26, 2005 BY JENN MCKEE News Arts Writer http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/aanews/index.ssf?/base/features-0/1127745609242440.xmlcoll=2 If you arrived on time to see filmmaker David Lynch talk about transcendental meditation last night at the Power Center, you were already too late. The venue was packed to capacity. .. Nice, refreshing article not written by TMO PR staff. Brings back memories of the 60's. In 1968, we got a front page headline Jarvis to Speak Tonight on TM with a large beaming picture of MMY, written by non-meditators reporters, but in an excitedly semi-gushing tone. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] But today, I read them as words, as poetry, sans music. And you know what? As a pure, words only poet, Dylan is a bit sophmoric and trite, IMO. Even Dylan hates a lot of his earlier stuff. (though I still love it, just not as isolated words -- cast as great poetry.) Its the combo of music and his words that are transcendent -- as in facilitating transcendence from fixed current views... ... and more literally transcendent since the poetry of his lyrics causes the front left lobe (logic and words) to keep talking directly to the front right lobe (images) thereby opening new brain connections etc. etc. Slam his music on top of that and you have a powerful hit. The second programme features Its all right, Ma but they cut before the description of junkies: - bent out of shape by society's pliars - cares to rise no higher - but would rather pull you down into the hole he's in. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
A: No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. J: What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? U: I'd love to hear akasha's answer, I may sell tickets then :) U: but mine would be, It's a marvelous way of clinging to the notion of unenlightenment. To want to not be overshadowed, you have to believe you are. And the funny thing is, the moment you drop that belief, you aren't. :J Yeah, that answer would be bull. Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous, digital, either on or off? Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not before. And it can be delicate at first, and fade (yellow dye and cloth anyone?) or become overshadowed. But it keeps coming back. Sometimes more noticable, sometimes present only when one notices it --- where are my glasses? (you are wearng them, silly) is a good analogy. For example: The day after I was initiated, I walked around high school with a four foot grin on my face. I was so happy and glowing. There was something present that had not been so present or obvious as before. But it didn't last. But it kept getting renewed. To only fade amongst the trials of teen angst (which had pretty severe dimensions in those days -- such as -- should I let myself get drafted and sent to vietnam, or go to jail to protest a war I think is wrong. On my TTC, back when we rounded 16 hours a day for 6 months -- if we wanted (some pagans actually took lunch and socialized -- not ME! :) I would get up at 4 am and round till five of eight, and slide to the dinning hall door just before it closed for dinner. And then float in. It actually felt like I was not walking and was floating. And people would comment holy cow dung! you look like you are floating. This was way before the siddhis -- but that THING was so present that I did feel like I was floating around with a big hellium ballon holdng me up. And when I got back to the field, the field was overwhelming. Once teaching, for a while I was fortunate enough to be in a situation where people would line up for miles to get initiated. 50 initiations, 50 pujas in a weekend were not uncommon. The next day day I woul d often feel that I was walking through Presence, it was so dominant, thick and pervasive. And after a while, it faded. To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. To deny and hold that Presence is NEVER there is being a bit silly, IMO. But who knows. I only know my own experience. And a lot of people I taught or have hung out with. On the other hand, when neo-advaitists sell a dichotomous view of enlightenment, and on top of that proclaim You just need to BELIEVE Peter, and you CAN fly (as in Peter Pan), Just BELIEVE it and you ARE enlightened -- and the light will be fully and eternally ON -- they are being silly too, IMO. Awareness, by itself, Presence, is not SUDDENLY found at the top of the moutaintop after a 20-30 year climb. Or after some mind game. Its there everyday, to a degree. And as we enter into it more, the bouncer at the door, throws us out less often. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contorversial? I thought that's the policy most colleges had. Sal On Sep 26, 2005, at 8:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote: At the University of California, Berkeley, a new controversial policy forbids romantic or sexual relationships between professors and their students. The policy took effect this past July on nine University of California campuses. That article, primarily about Yale, did not explain well the new two year old UC policy. This article does a better job (and is funny). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/74369 In 2003, the University of California's nine campuses ruled to ban consensual relationshipsb between professors and any students they may reasonably expect to have future academic responsibility for; this includes any student known to have an interest in any area within the faculty member's expertise. This future view is far broader than the current students prohibitions that have been in effect for decades. And academic responsibility is broadly defined to include research oversight, and writing of letters of recommendations for grad school, etc. It appears to be that if a student is majoring or minoring in your department, or even is or has taken a class in your dept, or related field, they are off limits. As she says, But while engineering students may still pair-bond with professors of Restoration drama in California ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Try Googling. There are at least two, possibly three generations of gay folks who don't have any idea who Judy Garland is. guffaw Right, Barry. And of course they've never seen The Wizard of Oz either. So what modern Dorothy do you imagine they're referring to? In any case, your original claim was that it referred to an *earlier* Dorothy, not a later one. Fortunately there's little need for such a code phrase any more. Let's hope one day nobody even remembers what it means. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't take this all so seriously, Judy. I don't know about these other guys, but I'm just majorly amused tonight at you pretending not to be enlightened, and striving so hard to keep up the pretense. You keep getting the words wrong, Barry. And you a writer... To pretend something, you have to know it isn't true. Exactly. You know that it isn't true that you are not enlightened. Au contraire, mon vieux. I think it was Akasha who suggested something for you to actually *do* to experience enlightenment. Gosh, I could have sworn it was you who keeps saying there *isn't* anything you can do to experience enlightenment. There isn't. But you still didn't do it. Truly foolish. Well, it wouldn't be foolish not to do it if it wouldn't do the trick. You blew it off. I did? You will never actually try it. I won't? I haven't? You did. You won't. You haven't. Au contraire, mon vieux. Bad guess on your part. And a few weeks from now you'll be back complaining that you're still in ignorance. I've never complained about being in ignorance. You've never BEEN ignorant. But you complain about it anyway. Go figure. Let me say it another way: I've never complained about being in ignorance. Are there any words in that sentence you don't understand? If that's not funny, what is? Your inability to deal with reality. Says the woman who is pretending to be unenlightened. To pretend something, you have to know it isn't true. I believe I already pointed this out. Were there some words you didn't understand? You'll never get any of this until you do, Judy. And then it'll seem very funny... I think what bothers you so much is that you need to legitimize your pretension to enlightenment, and my honesty about not being enlightened makes that more difficult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On the other hand, when neo-advaitists sell a dichotomous view of enlightenment, and on top of that proclaim You just need to BELIEVE, Peter, and you CAN fly (as in Peter Pan), Just BELIEVE it and you ARE enlightened -- and the light will be fully and eternally ON -- they are being silly too, IMO. You know, I don't have any trouble accepting that for some people, that *is* their experience. (Not everyone who makes the claim, but that's another story.) Once it happens, it seems to become their reality that they must have been previously ignoring it or pretending it didn't exist, because it now seems always to have been there. They literally cannot remember what it was like when they simply weren't able to be aware of it. The problem is that some of them then assume that this applies across the board, that all they have to do is say, Hey, it's there, and folks will go, Oh, by gum, so it is. And if they don't, it's because they are somehow intentionally refusing to see it. They're likely to scoff, if not become annoyed, if you don't take *their* reality seriously, but it doesn't seem to occur to them that it works both ways. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. So, to clarify (my understanding), its not that you don't want to be overshadowed (as in a permanent state of overshadowment). Its not that Awareness is not (never) present. Its that you simply want to be overshadowed less often. That you want Awareness to be Aware / present more often. (As if it can Not be Aware -- but for words sake...) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. So, to clarify (my understanding), its not that you don't want to be overshadowed (as in a permanent state of overshadowment). Its not that Awareness is not (never) present. Its that you simply want to be overshadowed less often. That you want Awareness to be Aware / present more often. Sure, preferably all the time, but I'll take whatever I can get! I also find that the more often/longer Awareness is present, the more of a pain it is when it goes away. (As if it can Not be Aware -- but for words sake...) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] That's it exactly. Anyone who can't see the potential for causing pain just can't see. In my world view, which admittedly has been warped by my time with Rama and having been systematically trained in ways to see, *everyone* is psychic. It's just that some people pretend not to be. Therefore, in a situation where two people are in a rela- tionship which is assumed to be monogamous and one person in that relationship has sex with someone else, the cheated- on party ALWAYS knows. He or she may *claim* that they don't know, but they ALWAYS know. Therefore, to enter into such a relationship, as the third party, means that you are willing to introduce that stress and tension into two other people's relationship. Bad ju-ju, IMO. Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Stabilize the View
Great advice from another list today: The masters stress that to stabilize the View in meditation, it is essential, first of all, to accomplish this practice in a special environment of retreat, where all the favorable conditions are present; amid the distractions and busyness of the world, however much you meditate, true experience will not be born in your mind. Second, though there is no difference in Dzogchen between meditation and everyday life, until you have found true stability through doing the practice in proper sessions, you will not be able to integrate the wisdom of meditation into your experience of daily life. Third, even when you practice, you might be able to abide by the continual flow of Rigpa [Skt. Vidya, i.e. Brahmavidya] with the confidence of the View, but if you are unable to continue that flow at all times and in all situations, mixing your practice with everyday life, it will not serve as a remedy when unfavorable circumstances arise, and you will be led astray into delusion by thoughts and emotions. Sogyal Rinpoche Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ann Arbor News Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation Monday, September 26, 2005 BY JENN MCKEE News Arts Writer http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/aanews/index.ssf?/base/features-0/1127745609242440.xmlcoll=2 If you arrived on time to see filmmaker David Lynch talk about transcendental meditation last night at the Power Center, you were already too late. The venue was packed to capacity. .. Nice, refreshing article not written by TMO PR staff. Brings back memories of the 60's. In 1968, we got a front page headline Jarvis to Speak Tonight on TM with a large beaming picture of MMY, written by non-meditators reporters, but in an excitedly semi-gushing tone. But they have to get 'scholarships' in order for the official TMO to teach them to mediatate. What is wrong with this picture? A sort of elitist materialistic welfare spirituality boggling. I mean I understand what Mr. Lynch and his Foundation are doing - getting good press, and at the grassroots level, overcomming the obstacle that the organiztion has become to itself. A win-win both for him and the people who learn. Strange stuff, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Black and White Views on Sex
Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. JohnY Since some of my recent posts may be rolled up in the all this justification, I have a few thoughts. What I have been arguing against is black and white thinking. (Digressing to another topic quickly, I am surprised no one got my Soul on Ice allusion / joke the other day.) I have made similar extremist -- as in all black or white cases in the past against J and H. And M. See the archives over the past 3 years or so. (Some of my posts are under OMG123). In rethinking it, I just see more nuances now, and more parallels to mainstream society. Would I recommend MUM to my daughter (if I had one), or to any women? No. Mainly for the obvious current academic mediocreness of the place, and the cult mindset, but also because J and B are acting like slimy weasles. Same with sending my daughter to an old style TTC with M. However, I recognize that what John is doing, relative to coeds, is not any different than what happens on most university campuses. Maybe John is a bit older than most cruising faculty, but not older than some. The issue I would have, relative to a daughter at MUM, is it is such a small campus and John and Bevan (and I am sure there are others) set such a dominant tone. Regarding married woman, I think that is dispicable. But spraigs stats sound in the ballpark, though perhaps a bit high. Adultry is pretty common place. So if I refused any relations or interaction / business / socializing with every adulterer, my friends and associates list would be looking pretty slim. And it takes two to tangle. J and B are not drugging these women and hauling them off to a cave, as far as i know. I imagine some women are seeking them out and doing the seducing. Particularly after word gets out that these single guys like to play. And I an not as extreme in my views as Unc. I think, I know, relations with married women can at times, be helpful to all parties. I don't recommend it, but sometimes it happens and it can enrich everyone. Some marriages are on the rocks and sometimes external forces are forces for the good. And I have seen where it can be devestating. Proabably much more of that than the former. Regarding work, and business associates, I worked for a guy, several rungs down, who is now one of the top two guys in a 30,000 employee Fortune 500 company. He was a good guy, smart, funny, effective -- and charismatic - in the Clinton / Kennedy sense. And women were attracted. He had an easy time of it, and it appeared for a time, he was bopping every woman in sight within the company. He finally had a woodshed moment with the then CEO and things calmed down a bit. But perhaps only a bit. And lots of other stories and insights one obtains over time of top management and thier proclivities. Should I have refused to work for him? Should I have quit a good job because mass adultry was going on? No way. Regarding M, I still have mixed feeling and thoughts. I straddled the bramachari-wannabe and guy in the world roles throughout my teens and 20's. I think it screwed me up -- more so than my natural state, and definately affected my longer term career and family prospects. Coming to grips with his dailances has been difficult on several levels. But I keep coming back to the fact that all the woman, to my knowledge, were consenting. And, contrary to some, I think they had a clear choice. And what a yogi does with his energy flows -- well they are much better than me to judge if its a good thing. So while I am sympathetic to your view, I don't agree that [we] wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. If you are in the big city (are you in FF?] its out there. More of your friends, or business associates, social acquaintances, teachers, mentors and even honorable enemies may be doing wierd sexual things than you are aware or, or can imagine. Are you going to drop out and demand purity. Or let people work out thier own stuff without too much internal judgement clogging up your nadis? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they have to get 'scholarships' in order for the official TMO to teach them to mediatate. What is wrong with this picture? A sort of elitist materialistic welfare spirituality boggling. I mean I understand what Mr. Lynch and his Foundation are doing - getting good press, and at the grassroots level, overcomming the obstacle that the organiztion has become to itself. A win-win both for him and the people who learn. Strange stuff, JohnY I kind of like the approach. I may change my views later as it unfolds. But it appears to me that it solves a big dilemna. To fund a nice modern center, to pay teachers a reasonable professional salary (100k+, plus retirement, health, rounding etc.), to fund good research, to promote the program professionally, to fund international, aka product development, it takes lot of money. Much more than students would normally be able to pay. The scholarships solve the problem. The student pays $500 and gets a $2500 scholarship. Or pays $500, gets $1000 in student loans and gets a $1500 scholarship. It pays the bills. The TMO and teachers are placed on a professional level. And the students take it way seriously its a $3000 special course, man! (And of course its a great way to meet rich chicks.) The issue is whether Lynch can raise $8 Billion. A few blockbuster, well reviewed films, the fund raising influence of a top director (that is, his new status if he has several high grossing critically acclaimed films) could do it. Speilberg could I think. Lynch could evolve to Spielberg status and accomplishment. Or higher. Its feasible. Add Heather Graham and others if their careers took off, a new Mitch Kapor who stays with the program, some Google early employees with lots of stock who get enthralled, throw in an Indian entrepreneur and film star or two, some heavy foundation co-matching of funds -- and its feasible. Maybe not probably, but feasible. And if this Sat yuga thing has any legs, things could change fast. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. So, to clarify (my understanding), its not that you don't want to be overshadowed (as in a permanent state of overshadowment). Its not that Awareness is not (never) present. Its that you simply want to be overshadowed less often. That you want Awareness to be Aware / present more often. Sure, preferably all the time, but I'll take whatever I can get! I also find that the more often/longer Awareness is present, the more of a pain it is when it goes away. Just out of curiosity, did you really have me pegged as someone who believes what you wrote in the first sentence of the paragraph at the top? I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Rory: Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow realization -- denying the validity snip Judy: I'm not denying anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. Rory: Right, and nicely so. Yet it appears you are saying that *this* -- whatever it is -- *isn't* It. That's all I meant by denying -- denying the presence of It in this moment, by virtue of comparing this not-It moment with some other moment, not-now, elsewhen/elsewhere -- some other moment that apparently had more clarity, more Presence. I am suggesting that that longed-for clarity and Presence is nothing other than a side-effect of our unconditional attention and appreciation of whatever we are undergoing in this moment. So long as we do *not* appreciate *this* moment as a god-given gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in darkness, ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and ignorance of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation. When we simply be with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it in the body non-judgmentally (this too is good -- or ...God or ...bliss --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then it lightens up. It becomes integrated into our larger Whole, ceasing to be a (minor or major) demon plaguing us (actually, painfully demanding our attention and love), and now becoming a part of our angelic choir :-) (perfection, is-ness, ever-presence, whatever) of your fundamental criterion for ignorance -- trying *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Judy: I'm not trying to do anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. Rory: Yes, I believe I get that, and I get that you feel powerless to do anything about it, other than meditate and wait. So be it. I am perfectly OK with that reality if you are; if you are not, then I am suggesting an alternate POV and some methods that may shortcut the process, and even collapse it into this moment, that's all. For example: Where in the body do we feel stuck and/or powerless? What happens if we simply attend to it, appreciate it, breathe with it, let it fully feel, allow it to be unconditionally OK in that feeling? In denying ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if) stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely ideas *in us* :-) Judy: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Rory: Being realized isn't like anything snip Judy: Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. Rory: How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is? In my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being in ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment that one has just for this moment stopped unfavorably (or favorably for that matter) comparing this moment to some other more (or less) ideal one. One has stepped off the merry-go-round of infinite progress (or regress). That's all, that's it. Simple :-) -- other than (say, in that moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So long as we do *not* appreciate *this* moment as a god-given gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in darkness, ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and ignorance of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation. Yes, that's being overshadowed. When we simply be with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it in the body non-judgmentally (this too is good -- or ...God or ...bliss --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then it lightens up. Yes, that's what being overshadowed makes it impossible to do. snip Judy: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Rory: Being realized isn't like anything snip Judy: Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. Rory: How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is? In my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being in ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment Right. Lacking that slight but crucial adjustment is what being in ignorance is like. Not like being realized, in other words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So long as we do *not* appreciate *this* moment as a god-given gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in darkness, ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and ignorance of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation. Yes, that's being overshadowed. When we simply be with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it in the body non-judgmentally (this too is good -- or ...God or ...bliss --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then it lightens up. Yes, that's what being overshadowed makes it impossible to do. How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't tried it? Over the past 20 years I have never yet seen *anyone* -- enlightened or not, meditator or not -- who didn't experience this lightening-up from breathing and attending nonjudgmentally to one's bodily ignorance. But then, I have never seen anyone before who actually pre-decided attending to ignorance was impossible *because* s/he was in ignorance; that's a new one on me. You're quite right; I bow to your invincible ignorance! :-) snip Judy: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Rory: Being realized isn't like anything snip Judy: Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. Rory: How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is? In my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being in ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment snip Right. Lacking that slight but crucial adjustment is what being in ignorance is like. Not like being realized, in other words. Who is going to make or allow that slight but crucial adjustment if not you? When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? Is there a Judy in the near or distant future who has made it or allowed it? If so, what does she feel like? If Enlightenment is outside of time and space, does that mean it is equally available now as it is twenty lifetimes from now? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Akasha: : snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Judy: That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. A: So, to clarify (my understanding), its not that you don't want to be overshadowed (as in a permanent state of overshadowment). Its not that Awareness is not (never) present. Its that you simply want to be overshadowed less often. That you want Awareness to be Aware / present more often. J: Sure, preferably all the time, but I'll take whatever I can get! I also find that the more often/longer Awareness is present, the more of a pain it is when it goes away. J: Just out of curiosity, did you really have me pegged as someone who believes what you wrote in the first sentence of the paragraph at the top? A: I don't try to peg anyone. As you may know, from past convos, I try to postpone pegging, evaluating or judging people util the last necessary moment. I know that sounds like SimilAdvaita -- but its true, that is my ethic as of late. And for a while. I postpone until I have to decide on some action with regards to them pertinent to the evaluation of them. You may know in chain-suppy management and other business managment specialties, the last 20 years have been rocked by the concept of JIT -- Just In Time -- often refering to inventory management -- meaning the truck with more steel panels pulls up to the factory just as they are using their last ones. Thus minimizing or eliminating inventory costs -- which can be huge. Anyway, a digression to give some context to JIT-Judgements. It keeps the mind and nadis free of clogging inventories of useless judgements. But I was not really thinking of you when I said some appear to hold that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light. I am not sure anyone really holds that position, but some statements highly imply it at times. Apparenetly, possibly, unbeknownst to them or their conscious acknowledgement. For example, some may wax eloquently, and extensively on Consciousness and then imply, and sometimes even emphatically state, that but 'you' can't possibly understand what I am talking about, and you can't posssibly speak sensibly on the topic because, well, the experience of pure consciousness has never dawned within you. And certainly it is not there now. I am certain. I mean, ones gotta bite their lip to keep from bursting out laughing in their face. Or others, pronounce as emphatically, that the experience of pure consciousness could finally dawn if you just simply gave up believing that its not there. Again, one just has to laugh -- though discretely. Do they really expect you to accept the premise of the question -- that after 40 years of meditation, 2+ years of long rounding, lots of pujas, one has no experience of PC? Its mind boggling that people can .. well never mind. What did puzzle me about you, are some of your recent statements about not wanting to be overshadowed anymore. While it would be hard to believe that you never experienced PC in activity, I understand that some may not connect that thing with PC. And to that extent, some dialectic in the matter can be useful (I think). So I was seeking clarification. J: I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. I apologize, I dont always read all of your posts. (Mostly during periods when its you said, no you said diologues. Sorry.) So I may have inadvertently missed some good stuff. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. Yes, it boggles the mind. But doesn't some of the diologue here seem to imply it? Maybe its just me and I am missing some peoples points. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: : snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Bounced out into what? Not-IT? Is this really possible? Or is maybe the whole IT-versus not-IT thing just more of the gunas? That is, if IT comes and goes, is IT *not* really IT, but just another phenomenon -- albeit perhaps one of great clarity and Presence? Sattva, in other words? But Sattva must fall to Rajas and Tamas; that's the nature of the gunas. So maybe the real IT then is simply the Us who enfolds both IT and not- IT? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Judy writes: That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. Tom T: Jean Kline awoke in 1955 and continued till his death in the late 90's. From his book I AM page 83 para 3 Enlightenment is instantaneous but the mind becomes gradually clearer. The clarity of the mind brings about a relaxation from old patterns, a freeing of energy which in turn stimulates clearsightedness. It leads us toward living free from all striving to attain something, free from the tension brought about by waiting for something to happen, expectation. The above seems to be the norm. The Byron Katies and the Eckhart Tolles seem to be the exception rather than the norm. In looking back I can agree that was the case for me. There was a moment that was way out of time and something big had happened but I was not clear enough to get it. Years later in clearness and clarity is was easy to see the times IT had come to the foreground and then had slipped away because it could not be clearly appreciated. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So long as we do *not* appreciate *this* moment as a god-given gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in darkness, ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and ignorance of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation. Yes, that's being overshadowed. When we simply be with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it in the body non-judgmentally (this too is good -- or ...God or ...bliss --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then it lightens up. Yes, that's what being overshadowed makes it impossible to do. How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't tried it? Oh, for heaven's sake, of course I've tried it. snip Judy: Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. Rory: How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is? In my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being in ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment snip Right. Lacking that slight but crucial adjustment is what being in ignorance is like. Not like being realized, in other words. Who is going to make or allow that slight but crucial adjustment if not you? What you are you talking about? And what on earth leads you to think that it's something you *make*? When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? I plan to let it happen whenever it's ready to happen. Is there a Judy in the near or distant future who has made it or allowed it? If so, what does she feel like? If Enlightenment is outside of time and space, does that mean it is equally available now as it is twenty lifetimes from now? This is gobbledygook, sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: : snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Bounced out into what? Not-IT? Is this really possible? Or is maybe the whole IT-versus not-IT thing just more of the gunas? That is, if IT comes and goes, is IT *not* really IT, but just another phenomenon -- albeit perhaps one of great clarity and Presence? Sattva, in other words? But Sattva must fall to Rajas and Tamas; that's the nature of the gunas. So maybe the real IT then is simply the Us who enfolds both IT and not- IT? You are smarter than that Rory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip J: I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. I apologize, I dont always read all of your posts. (Mostly during periods when its you said, no you said diologues. Sorry.) So I may have inadvertently missed some good stuff. No, I was just wondering if I didn't say it clearly or something. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. Yes, it boggles the mind. But doesn't some of the diologue here seem to imply it? Maybe its just me and I am missing some peoples points. I don't recall having read anyone saying here that you meditate for many years with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC, at least not as the standard pattern with TM. But I could have missed it. The other dogma, that you can just *decide* to become suddenly enlightened, we've been seeing a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: : snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20- 30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Bounced out into what? Not-IT? Is this really possible? Or is maybe the whole IT-versus not-IT thing just more of the gunas? That is, if IT comes and goes, is IT *not* really IT, but just another phenomenon -- albeit perhaps one of great clarity and Presence? Sattva, in other words? But Sattva must fall to Rajas and Tamas; that's the nature of the gunas. So maybe the real IT then is simply the Us who enfolds both IT and not- IT? You are smarter than that Rory. As well as I can speak it, this is the understanding that frees me from the impermanence of bondage to experience in spacetime and into heartfelt appreciation of my own everpresent fullness. I am not smarter than that; I am that :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall having read anyone saying here that you meditate for many years with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC, at least not as the standard pattern with TM. But I could have missed it. The other dogma, that you can just *decide* to become suddenly enlightened, we've been seeing a lot. When we realize that all the various states of consciousness we have ever known or tasted are -- however enjoyable -- yet impermanent, partial, changing, and that there must somehow be something more, something unchanging that embraces them all, even here and now -- at this point, we may well decide to suddenly step off the belief- system of progress toward a never-arriving goal. This is (or can be) the beginning of real Awakening, and it may well unfold from a specific decision to step off the merry-go-round. I believe it would certainly help first to have experienced at least a taste of whatever various states of consciousness one had thought one had desired. Whether one can actually voluntarily decide the first part of this realization -- that any conceptual experience or state of consciousness is experience-bound and impermanent -- I don't know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. Judy writes: That's certainly been my experience. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. Tom T: Jean Kline awoke in 1955 and continued till his death in the late 90's. From his book I AM page 83 para 3 Enlightenment is instantaneous but the mind becomes gradually clearer., While to me, initially, this sounds discordant and a bit odd, I am always open to new ways of looking at things. If you read my prior posts today, then per kline, I might say that that day after my initiation -- IT was always there -- thereafter, foreever -- but slipped into the background at times. (The same idea as falling into it and out of it -- in my post this morning. I am inclined towards the foreground / background model -- one reason that I spent somtime on it this moring in post to Judy -- with concrete experiential link. It supports and makes reasonable the claim and reported experience its always been here, I just did not recognize it, that is, it was in the background. And F/B explains overshadowing: IT falls to background, life falls to foreground. Its not that IT disappears -- but we sometimes need to succumb to the limits of english syntax if we are not to sound as autonotom space robots. (Thus prior post's note to Rory -- you are smarter than harping on well known and acknowledged limits of language. Of course IT is always there. Why make big drama over the limits of language -- and project such onto others as misunderstnading? It gets tiresome after a bit. The clarity of the mind brings about a relaxation from old patterns, a freeing of energy which in turn stimulates clearsightedness. It leads us toward living free from all striving to attain something, free from the tension brought about by waiting for something to happen, expectation. Thats all fine and true. And fits the F/B model. The shift to foreground attention of PC helps dissolves old patterns and expectations. What is odd to say one is enlightened, per kline, while this is going one. Regadless, its arbitrary and as equally foolish, IMO, to refer to enlightenment even if the above disolving process is complete. The above seems to be the norm. The Byron Katies and the Eckhart Tolles seem to be the exception rather than the norm. In looking back I can agree that was the case for me. There was a moment that was way out of time and something big had happened but I was not clear enough to get it. Years later in clearness and clarity is was easy to see the times IT had come to the foreground and then had slipped away because it could not be clearly appreciated. Tom Yes, if I follow you correctly, it seems to be the path for many, my self certainly, and Judy seems to say it is for her, that its a alternating symbiotic process of F/B, B/F. The alternation helps in stabilizing and disolving/purifying. As is standard TMO stuff. Yellow dye, white cloth. What still seems odd to me is the apparently felt need to judge and label some point on the ever extending spectrum as enlightenment. Its just more and more foreground. Until the entire earth, oceans, sun and moon are in the foreground with It as IT. And that still may be just the beginning. In that regard, I sort of like klines approach (with apologies to kline, the following is my slant on his view: get rid of the silliness now, in the beginning, and be done with it. You are all enlightened. BFD. Now that that ego hurdle is done, let PC work its magic as Awarenrnaess -- as attention of it oacillates between forground and background. Until It in all dimensions is eternally in foreground. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black and White Views on Sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. JohnY Since some of my recent posts may be rolled up in the all this justification, I have a few thoughts. What I have been arguing against is black and white thinking. (Digressing to another topic quickly, I am surprised no one got my Soul on Ice allusion / joke the other day.) I have made similar extremist -- as in all black or white cases in the past against J and H. And M. See the archives over the past 3 years or so. (Some of my posts are under OMG123). In rethinking it, I just see more nuances now, and more parallels to mainstream society. Would I recommend MUM to my daughter (if I had one), or to any women? No. Mainly for the obvious current academic mediocreness of the place, and the cult mindset, but also because J and B are acting like slimy weasles. Same with sending my daughter to an old style TTC with M. However, I recognize that what John is doing, relative to coeds, is not any different than what happens on most university campuses. Maybe John is a bit older than most cruising faculty, but not older than some. The issue I would have, relative to a daughter at MUM, is it is such a small campus and John and Bevan (and I am sure there are others) set such a dominant tone. Regarding married woman, I think that is dispicable. But spraigs stats sound in the ballpark, though perhaps a bit high. Adultry is pretty common place. So if I refused any relations or interaction / business / socializing with every adulterer, my friends and associates list would be looking pretty slim. And it takes two to tangle. J and B are not drugging these women and hauling them off to a cave, as far as i know. I imagine some women are seeking them out and doing the seducing. Particularly after word gets out that these single guys like to play. And I an not as extreme in my views as Unc. I think, I know, relations with married women can at times, be helpful to all parties. I don't recommend it, but sometimes it happens and it can enrich everyone. Some marriages are on the rocks and sometimes external forces are forces for the good. And I have seen where it can be devestating. Proabably much more of that than the former. Regarding work, and business associates, I worked for a guy, several rungs down, who is now one of the top two guys in a 30,000 employee Fortune 500 company. He was a good guy, smart, funny, effective -- and charismatic - in the Clinton / Kennedy sense. And women were attracted. He had an easy time of it, and it appeared for a time, he was bopping every woman in sight within the company. He finally had a woodshed moment with the then CEO and things calmed down a bit. But perhaps only a bit. And lots of other stories and insights one obtains over time of top management and thier proclivities. Should I have refused to work for him? Should I have quit a good job because mass adultry was going on? No way. Regarding M, I still have mixed feeling and thoughts. I straddled the bramachari-wannabe and guy in the world roles throughout my teens and 20's. I think it screwed me up -- more so than my natural state, and definately affected my longer term career and family prospects. Coming to grips with his dailances has been difficult on several levels. But I keep coming back to the fact that all the woman, to my knowledge, were consenting. And, contrary to some, I think they had a clear choice. And what a yogi does with his energy flows -- well they are much better than me to judge if its a good thing. So while I am sympathetic to your view, I don't agree that [we] wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. If you are in the big city (are you in FF?] its out there. More of your friends, or business associates, social acquaintances, teachers, mentors and even honorable enemies may be doing wierd sexual things than you are aware or, or can imagine. Are you going to drop out and demand purity. Or let people work out thier own stuff without too much internal judgement clogging up your nadis? Actually, Akasha, I wasn't thinking of your posts (and I was enjoying them...). As far a conscentual sex between single adults I have no problem, or even between conscenting members of a couple if the other partner knows. What I was charged up about was teacher/student guru/student BMOC/other's wives stuff. And you misinterpreted the 'my daughter' stuff... I would advise my married daughter not to fool around on the side (unless her husband knew), and my slightly younger unmarried daughter not to sleep with married men, for precisly the reasons that Barry pointed out. There is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
Rory: How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't tried it? Judy: Oh, for heaven's sake, of course I've tried it. Rory: Yes? With whom? I hope you had company. Most people find it far easier and more effective the first few times if they are accompanied by a guide, rebirther or the like: one who has traversed and integrated the ignorance themselves. The ignorance can indeed be pretty damned scary to go into alone at first. Who is going to make or allow that slight but crucial adjustment if not you? Judy: What you are you talking about? Rory: Just you. Judy: And what on earth leads you to think that it's something you *make*? Rory: If not you, then who? When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? Judy: I plan to let it happen whenever it's ready to happen. Rory: How will you know when it is ready to happen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Judy: I don't recall having read anyone saying here that you meditate for many years with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC, at least not as the standard pattern with TM. But I could have missed it. Its diologues over the past 3-4 years. And its not an explicit claim. But strongly imlpied -- so much so, I see no other possibility than the underlying premise being held that one meditates for many years with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC. That is, there little acknowlegement by some that there is regular and strong PC in foreground by many. Contrary to the pontificators implied singular claims to the experience. The other dogma, that you can just *decide* to become suddenly enlightened, we've been seeing a lot. yes. Reminds me of EST. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they have to get 'scholarships' in order for the official TMO to teach them to mediatate. What is wrong with this picture? A sort of elitist materialistic welfare spirituality boggling. I mean I understand what Mr. Lynch and his Foundation are doing - getting good press, and at the grassroots level, overcomming the obstacle that the organiztion has become to itself. A win-win both for him and the people who learn. Strange stuff, JohnY I kind of like the approach. I may change my views later as it unfolds. But it appears to me that it solves a big dilemna. To fund a nice modern center, to pay teachers a reasonable professional salary (100k+, plus retirement, health, rounding etc.), to fund good research, to promote the program professionally, to fund international, aka product development, it takes lot of money. Much more than students would normally be able to pay. The scholarships solve the problem. The student pays $500 and gets a $2500 scholarship. Or pays $500, gets $1000 in student loans and gets a $1500 scholarship. It pays the bills. The TMO and teachers are placed on a professional level. And the students take it way seriously its a $3000 special course, man! (And of course its a great way to meet rich chicks.) The issue is whether Lynch can raise $8 Billion. A few blockbuster, well reviewed films, the fund raising influence of a top director (that is, his new status if he has several high grossing critically acclaimed films) could do it. Speilberg could I think. Lynch could evolve to Spielberg status and accomplishment. Or higher. Its feasible. Add Heather Graham and others if their careers took off, a new Mitch Kapor who stays with the program, some Google early employees with lots of stock who get enthralled, throw in an Indian entrepreneur and film star or two, some heavy foundation co-matching of funds -- and its feasible. Maybe not probably, but feasible. And if this Sat yuga thing has any legs, things could change fast. If the Foundation sets up the Centers and pays the teachers might work . If it's current TMO ...who knows JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
