date:20051205

Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post
comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then
talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit
humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great
experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your
character, we're just noting its incredible irony
because spiritual growth is usually equated with
greater compassion and understanding which your
previous posts did not demonstrate. 
-Peter
p.s. I'm self-employed and look forward to firing
myself.

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben,
 
 The lawyers are being placed under retainer.  If
 you'd like days in
 court which you can't afford, go on talking about
 Tom's character. 
 Otherwise shut up.  Tell us how at $55/month
 sponsorhip you felt it
 exceedingly fair to pay yourself a $1,000 a month
 retainer for
 administering Puja.net.  Unless you'd like a
 restraining order plus a
 lawsuit, I'd stop responding and defending the
 buttholes who want to
 attack me in FFL now.  I have emails, kept in three
 different parts of
 the world where you stated you were going for
 thousands of yagya days
 a year, which would allow you to retire full time
 based on major
 sponsor money.  You couldn't been relived that I
 stopped spending and
 then send out a a note that you and the pudits
 (which pudits you can
 reach in at no sooner than a week) were
 disappointed).  You were
 counting on my ever expanding sponsorship.  I will
 not defend you in a
 slander, libal and, fraud and conversion of funds
 suit.  You'd have to
 defend yourself.  And I have the power of YBC on my
 side.  You have
 the power of a greedy opportunistic priest on your
 side.
 
 OTOH, you can agree with whatever Dr. Pete (who's
 employers are being
 contracted about his participation on FFL) says
 about my character and
 have your day in court.  Speaking of character, tell
 us about the
 $130+K a year job that brought you to SoCal that
 evaporated.  Tell us
 about your relationship with your wife and who gets
 to keep the
 children on what days.  You've been doing pujas and
 yagyas for years
 and your life is just one of peace and harmony, yes?
  Tell us about
 the kind of job you're able to get after all these
 visits to the
 temple.  It's not so much a matter of Tom's
 characters as much as the
 real life of the guru of Puja.net has not been
 revealed to the public.
 
 Try to explain to yourself tonight why helping Dr.
 Pete attack Tom's
 character gets you further along the way with your
 japa mantra, puja
 and yagyas.  And ask yourself how trips to the
 courthouse will keep
 you settled in your nightly mantra japa/sort of TM
 meditation.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 benjaminccollins
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   My prasadam for my first Mahalakshmi Yagna
 arrived today.  A beautiful
   yantra, card from the chief priest in some
 Indian language, English
   from my contact at YBC and two very blessed
 rudraksha bead malas.  I
   can feel the power coming off of these.  It's
 just tremendous.  
  
  I'll just add that I worked with Tom for about 2
 years arranging the
  yagyas that he wanted performed.  Before he
 started working with me,
  Tom was doing lots of yagyas in lots of places in
 India and always
  told me not to send him prasadam because he had
 too much of it as it
 was.
  
  It was my experience that he was dealing with
 deeply routed issues and
  was searching for answers.  I'm no guru so I don't
 provide answers to
  people nor do I tell them what to do.  I think
 that yagyas are a
  useful tool to accelerate one's evolution and are
 a great supplemtn to
  TM.  I always thought Tom was spending more than
 was sensible, but
  that's what he wanted to do.  It doesn't surprise
 me that he
  eventually got all pissed off and went someplace
 else.  Frankly I was
  relieved. 
  
  If these yagyas work for him great.  But it is my
 opinion that yagyas,
  meditation and any spiritual practice only take
 you so far and then
  issues of character must be addressed before
 further progress is
  possible.  Tom's character issues have been amply
 demonstrated in this
  forum, just do a search.
  
  As one who is deeply involved in yagyas and has
 seen them work wonders
  under the proper circumstances I can say that I
 take absolutely no
  offense at Dr. Pete's postings.  I found them
 quite funny given the
  context of Tom P's past behavior.  
  
  -Ben
  
  PS. With reference to another recent discussion
 here on FFL, I'll just
  mention that I have been involved in arranging
 yagyas for George
  Harrison and his family both before and after his
 passing. Before he
  died George was mostly into Yogananda and the
 usual plethora of
  spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin
 in which his main
  guidance was Ravi Shankar.  After his passing I
 have continued to
  arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid
 meditator, not to
  mention a very fine person.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Yahoo!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works



On Dec 4, 2005, at 2:05 AM, benjaminccollins wrote:PS. With reference to another recent discussion here on FFL, I'll just mention that I have been involved in arranging yagyas for George Harrison and his family both before and after his passing. Before he died George was mostly into Yogananda and the usual plethora of spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin in which his main guidance was Ravi Shankar.  After his passing I have continued to arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid meditator, not to mention a very fine person. Ben:Thanks for giving some support for my observation that George has moved on to other practices. Evolution is where it's at!It is also my understanding that Ravi had been a guiding influence on George, as he took him as a guru early on in his own sitar studies. Ravi also has commented on the practices that they shared as George was dying. What a wonderful friend and spiritual companion to have.-V.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed



On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:23 PM, sparaig wrote:em•pa•thy  Pronunciation: (em'pu-thç), [key]  —n.  1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of  the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.  2. the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or  work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of  empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self.  Great. You can use a dictionary, I'm so impressed.The site was chosen for the quotes it provided, not any particular resonance with the site's creator.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

That would be really tough to do, under the circumstances.  I'd like to see someone defame Tom's character more than he himself has.

Sal


On Dec 5, 2005, at 6:37 AM, Peter wrote:

 No one's defaiming your
 character

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Poor, persecuted Vaj.  How could he *not* feel a 
  sense of kinship with poor, persecuted Andrew?
  
  Innocent as the day is long, both of 'em.  Such
  harmless, well-meaning chaps.  Truly a pity they've
  been made to suffer so horribly.
  
 And the knowledge being expanded and refined here is?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben,
 
 The lawyers are being placed under retainer.  If you'd like days in
 court which you can't afford, go on talking about Tom's character. 
 Otherwise shut 
up

snip

Glad to know he's not reading posts, just like he said he wouldn't.  
Carlos Castanodos' petty tyrants comes to mind. Sal's comments most 
appropiate in this case.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

Tom, that's a fascinating account, many thanks for
sharing it.

I think I know something of what you're talking about
on the basis of a very brief glimpse I had awhile ago.
It lasted no more than a minute or two, but it was 
really striking.

It was when I was resting after program.  Normally
during that period--unless I fall asleep!--I think
about what's immediately going on in my life, my
plans for the day or evening, stuff I'm working on,
and so on.

This time, the thoughts started flowing as usual,
but there was something distinctly missing.  None
of it had any *charge*; none of it was important,
none of it mattered.  And I felt this deep sadness,
this sense of great loss and emptiness.  Nothing in
my life had any meaning any longer.

As I was contemplating this apparent disaster, I
became aware of the Self very clearly, with the
thoughts chugging away by themselves in the
background.  I couldn't sense any bliss, but I
realized intellectually what must be going on,
and that was enough to keep me from freaking out.

After a minute or two the experience faded as if
it had never been and meaning returned, but I've
never forgotten it. I suspect the clear witnessing
had triggered some unstressing, which was enough to
overshadow any bliss but not the distinct separation
of Self from activity--for those few minutes I was
very much neither here nor there.

Later I was thinking about an episode of clinical
depression I had gone through for some months
several years before I'd begun TM, and comparing
it to this experience after program.  If I had
described the after-program experience to a 
therapist, I'm quite sure the therapist would
have concluded it was depression.

But it was very different from the experience I'd
had previously: during the clinical depression, there
was no sense of Self; the sadness was anguished and
anxious, whereas during the after-program experience
it had somehow been peaceful, almost resigned, no
sense of turmoil, no sense that I had to *do*
something, change something, to recover what had been
lost.  It was gone, and that was all there was to it.
There was nothing *to* be done.  It wasn't painful,
not something I had to make stop, just sad.

I have no idea how I would have managed had that
experience continued for any length of time.  I
would *hope* the intellectual understanding would
have kept me from descending into the turmoil and
anxiety of the earlier clinical depression, but who
knows?

Subsequent experiences of witnessing, after program
and in activity, haven't been accompanied by that
same sense of loss; it's been more a sense of
*relief*, if not overwhelming bliss.  Maybe I'll
be lucky and won't have to go through months or
years of meaninglessness with nothing to replace
it when I get to that point on a long-term basis.

I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done
to shorten your dark night.  (I don't know who he is;
I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.)



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 My personal night of the soul was a little different than that
 described on the web site. I think that description is the best I 
have
 ever seen and can only add general comments to clarify my own
 understanding. 
 The way it came down for me was a lot more of the No thing in the
 relative did it for me anymore. My personal life enfoldment was
 through addictions to just about anything that would go into my body
 or any process. For me it was the fact that no thing in the relative
 world did it any more. There was no joy in mudville any night. I can
 remember taking delivery on a brand new car and I didn't even get it
 off the lot before the damn thing gave no joy at all. I persisted in
 my relationship with the wonderful lady who is now my wife but how 
she
 managed is beyond me. I kind of had a little of the aloneness but 
the
 predominance was that all the things and even the business I had 
been
 in for 25 years just had zero joy. Food was like eating cream of 
wheat
 with no salt. Sex was good when it happened but that depended more 
on
 my partner than me. The main item was the knowledge that nothing in
 the relative was going to bring joy ever again in the same old way 
it
 had. The only thing left to do was put the head down and just keep
 going. Even dieing didn't seem an option because I had already done
 that and I knew I would just end up back in the same spot. I once 
read
 a part of the comments in the Gita that it was like being in a boat
 that would only take you half way to the other side. At some point 
you
 would find yourself half way across and have one foot in the boat 
that
 brought you out and the other foot in the boat from the other side.
 There was this deep knowledge that the boat that brought you out was
 sinking slowly and the one you had your other foot in was invisible.
 There was a moment when you just have to give up the old boat and 
take
 your chances in the

[FairfieldLife] Who is Swami G?

Will someone, who knows, please tell me who Swami G
is? I assume it is a FFL poster having fun. Why would
any authentic Swami waste their time reading forwarded
posts from an interenet newsgroup?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: lurker Response about Swami G



--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response
 to
  my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her
 other
  posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is
 amazing.
 
 Lurker response:
 
 Here is a website which explains Swami G
 
 http://kundalinisupport.com/
 
 As a lurker, I have picked out some posts from FFL
 and sent them to
 Swami G and asked for comment, then posted it. I was
 not asked to do
 this. Swami G has made herself available by phone,
 or emails, and has
 said that what she posts can be posted elsewhere,
 with respect in mind.
 
 Some of you in this group may enjoy the posts.

Dear Lurker. What sort of moron and trouble-maker are
you? If a serious question is posed for Swami G.
then it makes all sense in the world to send it to
her. But to post silly responses to the ego filled
diatribes that somebody claims come from a Swami G.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described



On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:23 AM, authfriend wrote:I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done to shorten your dark night.  (I don't know who he is; I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.) Maybe lengthen something else in a van at the edge of town? :-)Andy is "Unity Andy". Another example of the Pervarishi Effect?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

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[FairfieldLife] Latest from Farrokh - NOT SO

Title: Latest from Farrokh - NOT SO

-- Forwarded Message
From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:28:37 -0600
To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Latest from Farrokh - NOT SO

Dear Rick:

There has been some misunderstanding in the following post and we would appreciate your clarifying the matter. Farrokh is NOT the author of the email attributed to him below or any of the theories put forward. This was a forward from a European Governor, whose name we cannot use as we have not requested his permission to do so.

Would you kindly post a correction on this? 

With very best wishes for the Season to one and all,

Farrokh  Ruffina

At 06:24 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
Post from FairfieldLife you might want to comment on:

on 12/4/05 5:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
 though, about some of his remarks here.

 First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
 thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
 is purely the fault of its administrators and not
 of the founder.

 I have an undergraduate background in physics
 and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
 and I am a long way from being able to touch
 Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
 of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
 monographs (Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
 and Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
 Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science) or his published
 high-energy physics papers.

 The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
 so a series of courses in math is not really the right
 foundation to critique them; a long series of
 graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
 for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
 be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
 has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
 monographs do not attempt to construct a
 finite unified field theory, a central point in
 Farrokh's critique.

 Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
 not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
 nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
 celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
 theory and superstrings.

 Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
 at least a working knowledge of Maharishi's Vedic
 Science, and the experience of discussing physics
 with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
 Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
 Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
 Hagelin is using his theories correctly?

 What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
 Clements'? 

 Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
 wonderfully elegant solutions to the problems
 of the dimensionality of space and the origin
 of the symmetries of the Standard Model, it's
 just a matter of time until he wins multiple
 Nobel prizes. 

 That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
 self, Farrokh!

 In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
 Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
 makes sense in just about every other way.

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 My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a stand
 against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
 movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type of
 crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
 scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
 Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than turn
 around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. So
 I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I could
 acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
 present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science as
 proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use those
 insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
 physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a very
 unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
 expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's knowledge.
 When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate reality is
 of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite Unified
 Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can be
 experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one after
 the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very interesting
 mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of the
 deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of space
 and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have wonderfully
 elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these ideas at
 a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and this
 initial paper will be published

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.andyrymer.com/aboutandy.htm

Thanks.

I found the QA about his workshop pretty impressive:

http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm

He certainly does talk a good game, at least.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:23 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done
  to shorten your dark night.  (I don't know who he is;
  I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.)
 
 Maybe lengthen something else in a van at the edge of town? :-)

The final stroke, perhaps?


 
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  http://www.andyrymer.com/aboutandy.htm
 
 Thanks.
 
 I found the QA about his workshop pretty
 impressive:
 
 http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm
 
 He certainly does talk a good game, at least.

Maybe it's not a game. Perhaps he's as realized guy
with a penchant for penis.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

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 He certainly does talk a good game, at least.

His skin boys thought so too at first.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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 we're just noting its incredible irony
 because spiritual growth is usually equated with
 greater compassion and understanding

Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that
are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a
list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described



On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:37 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:23 AM, authfriend wrote:  I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done to shorten your dark night.  (I don't know who he is; I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.)  Maybe lengthen something else in a van at the edge of town? :-)  The final stroke, perhaps? :-) I'll defer to Tom on that one.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described



On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Peter wrote:Maybe it's not a game. Perhaps he's as realized guy with a penchant for penis. And the Rectified Field? :-)))His picture puts off a nice, friendly vibe. He would be interesting to meet.





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[FairfieldLife] Dark Night of the Soul is tough enough for the healthy

2005-12-05 Thread ultrarishi

I know from my own experience that the Dark Night of the Soul 
experience was based on not doing alot of housekeeping first.  
Primarily, I needed to work on developing a self before I give up the 
self.

Codependents and Adult Children of Alcoholics, and the like, are very 
common on the elightenment circuit and embrace consciousness raising 
practices wholeheartedly.  However, unlike more healthy people, 
meditation and the like, become short cuts to dealing with are own 
pain and issues.  We know we want to evolve, but we don't know who we 
are.  Because of the abuse we've experience in growing up we are in 
denial about the desires and emotions we think we want to transcend.

I've seen many smart people who have had similar backgrounds suffer 
because of this denial.  They are very prone to recreating the 
situations that experienced in their disfunctional families of origin 
in their workplaces, social groups, and their ashrams.  Many become 
victims of the guru's or guru'aides in these situations.

So many are so anxious for changed that they create an endless cylce 
of running away from themselves when they know this baggage is waying 
them down.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dark night of the soul described

--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy writes:
 I found the QA about his workshop pretty
 impressive:
 http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm
 He certainly does talk a good game, at least.
 
 Tom T:
 He has personally been the reason so many in FF have
 finally woken up.
 I can point to my association with him as the final
 straw. The reason
 it helped is the understanding he carries about the
 road and the end
 point. Michael Goodman was another who got the final
 understanding
 from Andy. One does not need to share Andy's sexual
 preferences to
 gain a great deal of understanding. Great guy even
 when one gets to
 argue with him. There are enough awake in FF that
 Andy no longer needs
 to make the trip here. The process carries on by
 itself. Tom T
 PS the workshop is outstanding as it leads to a very
 full tool bag and
 the understanding that comes with the right tools. I
 know that sounds
 like guy stuff but it worked for my wife as well.

I've always personally liked Andy --he was on my
TTC--but these stories of his sexual advances, more
manipulations, involving spirtual benefits from sexual
activity are odd. 



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dark night of the soul described



On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:11 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Andy no longer needs to make the trip here.  Isn't he banned from Fairfield or is that just a rumor?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Tom Pall

Tom does make a point that he has in many ways become
one of FFL's favorite whipping boys and it is a little
excessive at times. But he certainly has brought it
upon himself in many ways. He also seems to argue
against inferences he has made and claims they are the
main arguments of the poster. So, Tom, I'll back off
and only respond to current posts in a respectful
manner. I'm glad you're having good experiences with
the TM-sidhhi program.

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom, this is really just too good.  I thought
 everyone might want to 
 see these words of wisdom.  Thanks for sharing.
 
 
   The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom.
 He's
   stopped calling African Americans niggers and now
   kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The
 power of
   yagyas!!
 
 My favorite part of Mr. Pall's post:
 
Truly I am transformed.
 
 The question is:  into what?
 
   Into someone who doesn't want to bicker,
 fight, play get one 
 over the other guy as is the FFL way.  I want to
 enjoy my victory in 
 being able to do full TM / TM Sidhi Programs after
 years of having to 
 do an abbreviated problem.  And having life turn
 around.  And yes, of 
 being less moved to anger, less moved to irritation,
 less moved to want 
 to fight and argue, more moved to live and let live.
  But that's not 
 the FFL way.  Oh, I've also been transformed that I
 don't want to play 
 Eric Burnes Now I Got You, You Son of a Bitch in
 Games People Play 
 which is what FFL is mostly about.
 
 
 
 
 And then this gem:
   
Should you wish to make an ass out of yourself
 by
responding, do it
amongst yourself.  I don't read FFL and I have
 the
fools' email
addresses blocked.  I have filters set up with
 my
ISP such that if you
try to do an end run by sending me something
 nasty
from another email
address, your email will get trashed when it
 hits my
ISP.  Besides
that, may God bless and keep you.
  
 Yep, it's perfectly obvious those yagyas have done
 him a world of
 good...
 
 
   Indeed they have.  I have no interest in Dr.
 Pete announcing 
 that I am his favorite nigah once again.  I doubt
 that Dr. Pete nor any 
 of the FFLers spent as much time and money as I did
 caring for our NO 
 guests who arrived in Austin.  I continue to tutor,
 drive to the 
 doctor, help solve problems for these unfornatate
 people.I have no 
 interested in people dragging up past statements and
 beating me over 
 the head with them.  I wanted to share my
 experiences for those who 
 would care to read, take them at face value and move
 on. I learned 
 about yagnas from someone on Usenet or in this Yahoo
 group and I am 
 eteranlly grateful to them.  I want to give back to
 another potential 
 seeker.
 
   I didn't want a bunch of hate mail as I got last
 time I posted on FFL 
 about YBC.  I'm increasingly and very quickly
 realizing that an eye for 
 an eye soon makes the whole world blind.  I am
 considerably more easy 
 going, less hateful, less racist.  But why would I
 want to enter a 
 snake pit of vipers who have nothing else to do
 except snipe at each  
 other and announce that that's the case?  Would I be
 announcing to Dr. 
 Pete (who really needs to have someone call up his
 employer about his 
 posts on FFL) that I am now as loving and easy going
 and holy as he and 
 his are?  Why would I want inflamatory hate mail as
 I got from many FFL 
 hourly contributors.  What was the motive for
 their hate?  It was 
 that I aroused something they hate in themselves but
 can't face that, 
 so they project it outward upon me?
 
   I continued to be highly offended by many of Rudra
 Joe's posts.  He 
 deserved to be fired for creating a multi-thousand
 dollar meal of foie 
 gras, lobster and truffles out of his boss's pantry
 and feeding it to 
 the dishwashers because they are people too.  I am
 offended by his 
 recounting the two girls who bared their tits to him
 and his helpers at 
 the Italian restaurant he worked at through the
 windows as he got fired 
 from job to job.  I am offended by his screwing his
 girlfriend behind 
 piles of foam in the Dome during presentations and
 meetings. I am 
 offended by all the people who encouraged Rudra Joe
 to blow away his 
 MUM student loans because he doesn't make enough
 money as a cook to pay 
 then off.  I consider that immature running away
 from one's own doing.  
 No way I want his approval nor the approval of those
 who urged him on 
 to file bankruptcy to stick MIU that I am OK and now
 on the right path.
 
 I have no use for the person whose sister married a
 black man and now 
 suffers discrimination.  I believe that his sister
 committed the crime 
 of  misogyny and wanted to show her protest to Mom
 and Dad and Society. 
   Jesus nor Ghandi did not blame the people who
 threw stones at them.  
 They knew what they signed into on a daily basis. 
 It's not my problem 
 the US is a racist society (just like the German and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1998 experience NOT believed to be Dark Night of the Soul

2005-12-05 Thread Marek Reavis

Thanks, LB, much appreciated.

Marek
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Desolate in Delhi
 
 My stay in the Valley of the Saints was drawing toward its
inevitable close. I accepted this 
 without concern, even though I could not remember having been as
happy anywhere as I 
 had been here, beside the swiftly flowing waters of the world's most
sacred river. I had 
 been living a life of constant satsang among the saints, sadhus, and
swamis, and working 
 daily with the brahmacharis translating the 108 discourses of
Brahmanandaji. However, I 
 had also enjoyed the freedom of the lone traveler to explore and
investigate, poking into 
 obscure corners of a place that might have been better off if time
had forgotten ita 
 possibility that disappeared without a trace when the Beatles
arrived in '68.
   No longer the pristine sanctuary of its legendary past, Rishikesh
nevertheless remains 
 a place where the real and the unreal can be compared like tomatoes
at a supermarket. I 
 had been generously treated to both.
   The Gangadharishwar Ashram, my home for nearly six weeks, is
located on the west 
 bank of  the river, exactly across from Maharishi's ashram to the
east. Like many of the 
 ashrams in Rishikesh, it has a dual function: first, as a home for
those in full time pursuit 
 of Supreme Knowledge, and secondly as a retreat center for
householders and others who 
 can only come for weekends or summer courses.  
   One such family from Delhi came to the ashram shortly before I
leftfather, mother, 
 daughter, two sons, aunt, and nephew.  Late one afternoon a few days
after they arrived, I 
 watched as a trespassing monkey chased the little girl wildly around
the inner courtyard , 
 to the intense amusement of her father, uncle, brothers, and some of
the workers at the 
 ashram. I suspect he was in love.
   The next morning I was sitting in the sun beside the river when the
young lady  sat 
 down beside me. Her name was Kanika. In the course of our
conversation, which covered a 
 surprising amount of ground in a fairly short time, she told me that
she really liked 
 studying Sanskrit because it was so easy.  I flinched, but only on
that quiet level, so she 
 didn't notice. I asked her how she liked mathematics. Just fine, she
told me, math was also 
 easy. I asked her if anything in school was difficult for her. She
paused a moment and said, 
 no, everything was easy. I was starting to feel awed by her radiant
intelligence, almost 
 forgetting that I was talking with a ten-year-old. Then I asked her
what she liked best in 
 school, and she told me that reading stories was her favorite
activity. Her favorite stories? 
 Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. 
   We met by the river again the following morning. Kanika sang me a
hymn from the 
 Christian school she attended in Delhi, and I sang  Long Black
Veil, the only song I could 
 remember from beginning to end. A few days later my little friend
and her family left the 
 ashram. Her father, Mukesh, asked  where I would be staying in Delhi
and when I would 
 arrive, and then they were gone.
   My own departure came shortly thereafter. The most difficult part
was saying 
 goodbye to Swamini Maneeshananda, who had been my dearest friend and
teacher during 
 my stay at the ashram. At 75, Mata Ji had been at Gangadharishwar
for 27 years. As I sat in 
 the back seat of the taxi , she reached through the window and
gently touched my facea 
 rare blessing from a Sannyasi, and especially poignant when given by
this one. She had 
 recently told me that she felt she had fulfilled life's purpose, and
now she was only 
 waiting for the body to drop. I certainly hoped she wasn't in any
kind of hurry, and as the 
 taxi wound its way through the village streets of  Purani Jhadi, I
finally realized how 
 reluctant I was to leave.
   The Maha Kumbh Mela was still in progress at Haridwar, and the
train station was 
 packed with sadhus and pilgrims. I took the Shatabdi Express to
Delhi, arriving late on 
 Wednesday afternoon. Then I checked in at the Namaskar hotel, just
off the Main Bazaar in 
 the Pahar Ganj, a low rent commercial district west of the main
railway station. 
   Thursday morning I went back to the railway station to buy my
ticket for the two-day 
 trip to Bangalore. On the way back to the Namaskar I bumped into
Mukesh, who had 
 looked me up as promised. The next day he came back to accompany me
on various 
 errands I had to run in Delhi before leaving. We took an
autorickshaw through Connaught 
 Place and south along Janpath, past the India Gate and deep into the
southeast part of 
 New Delhi, where I had located a photo lab that could process my
film quickly and cheaply. 
 Then we headed west across town to visit a friend I had met in
Rishikesh.
   The pollution in Delhi is among the worst in the world. I had heard
that a day of 
 breathing in Delhi is equivalent to smoking 20 packs

[FairfieldLife] Farrokh Requests Correction

2005-12-05 Thread tmforlife108

I posted Farrok's letter.  I'm sorry if the wrong impression was given.  The 
letter was from 
a gov in the UK.  Farrokh simply forwarded it to me.

Daniel Jeffers

Message: 6 
   Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:39:05 -0600
   From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Re: Latest from Farrokh

Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours?

on 12/4/05 5:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
 though, about some of his remarks here.

 First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
 thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
 is purely the fault of its administrators and not
 of the founder.

 I have an undergraduate background in physics
 and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
 and I am a long way from being able to touch
 Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
 of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
 monographs (Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
 and Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
 Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science) or his published
 high-energy physics papers.

 The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
 so a series of courses in math is not really the right
 foundation to critique them; a long series of
 graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
 for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
 be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
 has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
 monographs do not attempt to construct a
 finite unified field theory, a central point in
 Farrokh's critique.

 Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
 not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
 nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
 celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
 theory and superstrings.

 Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
 at least a working knowledge of Maharishi's Vedic
 Science, and the experience of discussing physics
 with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
 Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
 Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
 Hagelin is using his theories correctly?

 What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
 Clements'? 

 Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
 wonderfully elegant solutions to the problems
 of the dimensionality of space and the origin
 of the symmetries of the Standard Model, it's
 just a matter of time until he wins multiple
 Nobel prizes. 

 That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
 self, Farrokh!

 In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
 Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
 makes sense in just about every other way.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tmforlife108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a 
stand
 against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
 movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type 
of
 crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
 scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
 Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than 
turn
 around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. 
So
 I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I 
could
 acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
 present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science 
as
 proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use 
those
 insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
 physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a 
very
 unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
 expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's 
knowledge.
 When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate 
reality is
 of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite 
Unified
 Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can 
be
 experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one 
after
 the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very 
interesting
 mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of 
the
 deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of 
space
 and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have 
wonderfully
 elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these 
ideas at
 a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and 
this
 initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get 
some
 appreciation from experts who are utterly disdainful of John 
Hagelin,
 much remains to be done. So it will be some time yet before a 
complete
 analysis will be possible.

 The interesting thing is that one can use use Maharishi's knowledge 
to
 solve these problems and hence give the knowledge true scientific
 credibility while at the same time demolishing just

Re: [FairfieldLife] 1998 experience NOT believed to be Dark Night of the Soul

Is this your story LB?

--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Desolate in Delhi
 
 My stay in the Valley of the Saints was drawing
 toward its inevitable close. I accepted this 
 without concern, even though I could not remember
 having been as happy anywhere as I 
 had been here, beside the swiftly flowing waters of
 the world's most sacred river. I had 
 been living a life of constant satsang among the
 saints, sadhus, and swamis, and working 
 daily with the brahmacharis translating the 108
 discourses of Brahmanandaji. However, I 
 had also enjoyed the freedom of the lone traveler to
 explore and investigate, poking into 
 obscure corners of a place that might have been
 better off if time had forgotten ita 
 possibility that disappeared without a trace when
 the Beatles arrived in '68.
   No longer the pristine sanctuary of its legendary
 past, Rishikesh nevertheless remains 
 a place where the real and the unreal can be
 compared like tomatoes at a supermarket. I 
 had been generously treated to both.
   The Gangadharishwar Ashram, my home for nearly six
 weeks, is located on the west 
 bank of  the river, exactly across from Maharishi's
 ashram to the east. Like many of the 
 ashrams in Rishikesh, it has a dual function: first,
 as a home for those in full time pursuit 
 of Supreme Knowledge, and secondly as a retreat
 center for householders and others who 
 can only come for weekends or summer courses.  
   One such family from Delhi came to the ashram
 shortly before I leftfather, mother, 
 daughter, two sons, aunt, and nephew.  Late one
 afternoon a few days after they arrived, I 
 watched as a trespassing monkey chased the little
 girl wildly around the inner courtyard , 
 to the intense amusement of her father, uncle,
 brothers, and some of the workers at the 
 ashram. I suspect he was in love.
   The next morning I was sitting in the sun beside
 the river when the young lady  sat 
 down beside me. Her name was Kanika. In the course
 of our conversation, which covered a 
 surprising amount of ground in a fairly short time,
 she told me that she really liked 
 studying Sanskrit because it was so easy.  I
 flinched, but only on that quiet level, so she 
 didn't notice. I asked her how she liked
 mathematics. Just fine, she told me, math was also 
 easy. I asked her if anything in school was
 difficult for her. She paused a moment and said, 
 no, everything was easy. I was starting to feel awed
 by her radiant intelligence, almost 
 forgetting that I was talking with a ten-year-old.
 Then I asked her what she liked best in 
 school, and she told me that reading stories was her
 favorite activity. Her favorite stories? 
 Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. 
   We met by the river again the following morning.
 Kanika sang me a hymn from the 
 Christian school she attended in Delhi, and I sang 
 Long Black Veil, the only song I could 
 remember from beginning to end. A few days later my
 little friend and her family left the 
 ashram. Her father, Mukesh, asked  where I would be
 staying in Delhi and when I would 
 arrive, and then they were gone.
   My own departure came shortly thereafter. The most
 difficult part was saying 
 goodbye to Swamini Maneeshananda, who had been my
 dearest friend and teacher during 
 my stay at the ashram. At 75, Mata Ji had been at
 Gangadharishwar for 27 years. As I sat in 
 the back seat of the taxi , she reached through the
 window and gently touched my facea 
 rare blessing from a Sannyasi, and especially
 poignant when given by this one. She had 
 recently told me that she felt she had fulfilled
 life's purpose, and now she was only 
 waiting for the body to drop. I certainly hoped
 she wasn't in any kind of hurry, and as the 
 taxi wound its way through the village streets of 
 Purani Jhadi, I finally realized how 
 reluctant I was to leave.
   The Maha Kumbh Mela was still in progress at
 Haridwar, and the train station was 
 packed with sadhus and pilgrims. I took the Shatabdi
 Express to Delhi, arriving late on 
 Wednesday afternoon. Then I checked in at the
 Namaskar hotel, just off the Main Bazaar in 
 the Pahar Ganj, a low rent commercial district west
 of the main railway station. 
   Thursday morning I went back to the railway station
 to buy my ticket for the two-day 
 trip to Bangalore. On the way back to the Namaskar I
 bumped into Mukesh, who had 
 looked me up as promised. The next day he came back
 to accompany me on various 
 errands I had to run in Delhi before leaving. We
 took an autorickshaw through Connaught 
 Place and south along Janpath, past the India Gate
 and deep into the southeast part of 
 New Delhi, where I had located a photo lab that
 could process my film quickly and cheaply. 
 Then we headed west across town to visit a friend I
 had met in Rishikesh.
   The pollution in Delhi is among the worst in the
 world. I had heard that a day of 
 breathing in Delhi is equivalent to smoking 20 packs

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1998 experience NOT believed to be Dark Night of the Soul

2005-12-05 Thread L B Shriver

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is this your story LB?



It is. It was published in the Fairfield Weekly Reader several years ago.

L B S


 
 --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Desolate in Delhi
  
  My stay in the Valley of the Saints was drawing
  toward its inevitable close. I accepted this 
  without concern, even though I could not remember
  having been as happy anywhere as I 
  had been here, beside the swiftly flowing waters of
  the world's most sacred river. I had 
  been living a life of constant satsang among the
  saints, sadhus, and swamis, and working 
  daily with the brahmacharis translating the 108
  discourses of Brahmanandaji. However, I 
  had also enjoyed the freedom of the lone traveler to
  explore and investigate, poking into 
  obscure corners of a place that might have been
  better off if time had forgotten ita 
  possibility that disappeared without a trace when
  the Beatles arrived in '68.
  No longer the pristine sanctuary of its legendary
  past, Rishikesh nevertheless remains 
  a place where the real and the unreal can be
  compared like tomatoes at a supermarket. I 
  had been generously treated to both.
  The Gangadharishwar Ashram, my home for nearly six
  weeks, is located on the west 
  bank of  the river, exactly across from Maharishi's
  ashram to the east. Like many of the 
  ashrams in Rishikesh, it has a dual function: first,
  as a home for those in full time pursuit 
  of Supreme Knowledge, and secondly as a retreat
  center for householders and others who 
  can only come for weekends or summer courses.  
  One such family from Delhi came to the ashram
  shortly before I leftfather, mother, 
  daughter, two sons, aunt, and nephew.  Late one
  afternoon a few days after they arrived, I 
  watched as a trespassing monkey chased the little
  girl wildly around the inner courtyard , 
  to the intense amusement of her father, uncle,
  brothers, and some of the workers at the 
  ashram. I suspect he was in love.
  The next morning I was sitting in the sun beside
  the river when the young lady  sat 
  down beside me. Her name was Kanika. In the course
  of our conversation, which covered a 
  surprising amount of ground in a fairly short time,
  she told me that she really liked 
  studying Sanskrit because it was so easy.  I
  flinched, but only on that quiet level, so she 
  didn't notice. I asked her how she liked
  mathematics. Just fine, she told me, math was also 
  easy. I asked her if anything in school was
  difficult for her. She paused a moment and said, 
  no, everything was easy. I was starting to feel awed
  by her radiant intelligence, almost 
  forgetting that I was talking with a ten-year-old.
  Then I asked her what she liked best in 
  school, and she told me that reading stories was her
  favorite activity. Her favorite stories? 
  Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. 
  We met by the river again the following morning.
  Kanika sang me a hymn from the 
  Christian school she attended in Delhi, and I sang 
  Long Black Veil, the only song I could 
  remember from beginning to end. A few days later my
  little friend and her family left the 
  ashram. Her father, Mukesh, asked  where I would be
  staying in Delhi and when I would 
  arrive, and then they were gone.
  My own departure came shortly thereafter. The most
  difficult part was saying 
  goodbye to Swamini Maneeshananda, who had been my
  dearest friend and teacher during 
  my stay at the ashram. At 75, Mata Ji had been at
  Gangadharishwar for 27 years. As I sat in 
  the back seat of the taxi , she reached through the
  window and gently touched my facea 
  rare blessing from a Sannyasi, and especially
  poignant when given by this one. She had 
  recently told me that she felt she had fulfilled
  life's purpose, and now she was only 
  waiting for the body to drop. I certainly hoped
  she wasn't in any kind of hurry, and as the 
  taxi wound its way through the village streets of 
  Purani Jhadi, I finally realized how 
  reluctant I was to leave.
  The Maha Kumbh Mela was still in progress at
  Haridwar, and the train station was 
  packed with sadhus and pilgrims. I took the Shatabdi
  Express to Delhi, arriving late on 
  Wednesday afternoon. Then I checked in at the
  Namaskar hotel, just off the Main Bazaar in 
  the Pahar Ganj, a low rent commercial district west
  of the main railway station. 
  Thursday morning I went back to the railway station
  to buy my ticket for the two-day 
  trip to Bangalore. On the way back to the Namaskar I
  bumped into Mukesh, who had 
  looked me up as promised. The next day he came back
  to accompany me on various 
  errands I had to run in Delhi before leaving. We
  took an autorickshaw through Connaught 
  Place and south along Janpath, past the India Gate
  and deep into the southeast part of 
  New Delhi, where I had located a photo lab that

[FairfieldLife] only by Yoga and not by worship of the Mantras

2005-12-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9

Life History of H.H. Sri Swamiji 156
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The same person came to me half an hour later and probably with the assistance 
of some 
divine vision, asked me to give him a Yantra(38). He wanted it because he 
could not 
concentrate on Gayatri. What reply would you give to such a person?Probably 
you would 
use your danda on him till it broke. This avatara was not born to do such 
things. Therefore 
with my left hand, I wrote some Yantrafor him and gave it to him. This is the 
level of 
sadhakas now a day. Some others saw the idol of Ganapathi with me and concluded 
that I 
must be an upasaka of Ucchista Ganapathi.They were not interested to find out 
how long 
I had the idol with me and how long I conducted my sadhana prior to receiving 
the idol. 
They also did not want to know what sadhana I was carrying on? How do all these 
people 
come to any conclusion? Starting from those who considered that I practiced 
Yakshinito 
those who considered that I am a worshipper of Ucchista Ganapathi, all talk 
of only on 
seeing my powers. They do not want to see my efforts behind those powers 
achieved. It 
does not matter now. There is no loss to anybody. Should they not at least be 
observing 
closely the powers they have witnessed? Every power they have witnessed here is 
working 
only to bring out the righteousness in others. Nearly 80% of success has been 
achieved in 
that regard. But all these people do not notice it. Worship of the evil forces 
does not 
convert one towards the path of righteousness. If a sadhaka has enough strength 
of single 
pointed concentration towards yoga, even if he is taken to worship of evil 
forces, that 
single pointed concentration will certainly force him towards great Upasana. 
After 
observing the powers achieved by someone, if one wants to know how that person 
got the 
powers, the first port of call has to be in observing the samskaras of previous 
births of 
that person. Next, one should observe the power of guru who preached that 
sadhaka. 
Then one should observe the efforts of tapas of that sadhaka. Like it, there 
are many 
points one has to observe. Not looking properly and looking only at the large 
circular mark 
of kumkuma on the forehead of the sadhaka, one should not conclude that he is 
an 
Upasaka of Yakshini. I have achieved whatever powers are seen in me, achieved 
by me 
only by Yogaand not by worship of the Mantras. In a way, looking from one 
angle only, 
what you say is correct. I do know the path of the Mantras as well but I am 
principally a 
person who follows the path of yoga. My mother using the yoga as the main tool 
blessed 
me with Sree Vidya Diksha.Later on, my aunty Venkamma using the Hata Yogaas 
the 
main tool, blessed me with Atmopasana(39). When mother left her mortal body, 
I did ask 
her the question, Ko'ham(Who am I?) But she did not bless me with the answer. 
She had 
two reasons for not blessing me. First one was, if she had given me a reply, it 
would have 
remained as a reply only. Secondly, this body came into this world as an 
Avatara, which 
has a number of uses. If it has to be useful, there must be some story behind 
this Avatara. 
If Brahma did a sculpture and sent it down to the earth, there would not be an 
history 
behind it to talk about. On the other hand, if an artist who spent years in 
bringing a 
beautiful piece of art used the stones of the mountains he created, the world 
would talk 
about it as a great piece of history. The story of sculptured art will have the 
benefit of use 
of many chisels in its production. Really speaking what is in a sculpture? It 
is only piece of 
stone, nothing else. Even though, a rock is made up of stone and the sculpture 
is also 
made up of stone, only the sculptured stone will retain its history. Because 
this sculpture 
(Body of Swamy) has such a history, great souls like you could clear many of 
your doubts. 
In your vision of my past, Ganapathi preached about Guiseat the end. Even 
great souls 
like you, gave importance to appearance like wearing Danda and 
Kamandalam.What can 
then one say about the little souls? That is why we took some history and some 
guises. If it 
is for the welfare of the universe, it does not matter about the type of guise. 
If one 
observes closely, they can find some clues in the guises we wear. Using them as 
the tools, 
I have a duty to show the right path of action to good souls in their yoga 
sadhana. That is 
why; we received the Shona Vastrawhich is associated with those following the 
path of 
Avadhoota. This guise I am wearing is for the diksha of Dattatreya. It does 
not indicate 
that I am a Sanyasi. Soon, this will change to another guise. The real object 
cannot be 
seen with the eyes and cannot be found in the discourses on hears. What you 
said is true. 
You have not seen my internal state. Unless you visit that state, you will not 
know the real 
meaning of Sanyasa. Really speaking, I have no separate state

[FairfieldLife] Superior..Inferior.. Natural tendencies

2005-12-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9

Jaya Guru Datta

Sookti Manjari
by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji

'Survival of the fittest' is a phrase alluding to the theory of natural 
selection in biology. Our 
planet has seen many kinds of animals being created and becoming extinct. Only 
those 
animals that could challenge and withstand the environmental conditions 
survived, while 
many other species became permanently extinct. Many species of huge animals 
became 
extinct because they could not compete with smaller animals, which could 
withstand the 
environmental conditions and could successfully continue to reproduce. This is 
what some 
biologists say.

Let us not bother about the validity of such theories. However, it is a fact 
that there has 
been continuous struggle among living beings since time immemorial. Wherever 
there is 
struggle, there is bound to be desire to succeed or desire to win. The presence 
of desire to 
win implies that there is a feeling 'I am superior to you'. Only when such 
feeling is present 
in two individuals, struggle or fight is possible.
Neither of the two fighting individuals say or think, O.K., you are superior, 
I am inferior. 
Everyone thinks - I am superior. 

If this is true, why then is man afraid of a lion? Why is he afraid of fighting 
with a lion? If 
there is fear in him, does it mean that he is doubtful of his superiority?
Yes, such fear indicates that there is doubt. He is doubting his own 
superiority. Therefore, 
he does not take on a lion from the front. However, he always tries to use an 
ambush and 
kill the lion. On the one hand, he is doubtful of his superiority and on the 
other hand, he 
wants to prove that he is superior.

First of all, why did he get the feeling that he is superior? After having got 
that feeling, 
why the subsequent doubt about it? After doubting one's own superiority, why 
make any 
effort to establish superiority?

These are some uncomfortable questions facing the psychologists. We do not want 
to 
acknowledge our ignorance and therefore we try to escape by saying 'it is a 
natural 
tendency'.

Even in the mental plane, struggle or fighting is the natural tendency of 
living beings. 
Therefore, man does not remain satisfied with the above answer for a long time. 
Soon he 
will start proposing new theories in an effort to find answers that are more 
acceptable. 
However much he tries in this direction, as long as he does not know where he 
came from 
and from where his mind came, it will be impossible for him to understand as to 
why the 
feeling that he is superior came to his mind. 
It may be impossible. But, from such inquiry, he will uncover a secret. If I 
can know where 
I came from, I will be able to understand from where this thinking came to my 
mind is 
what he will come to know.

From where did the Jeevis (beings) come? The answer to this question is 
available only in 
the Upanishads. When the Paramatma (Supreme Self) reflects in an Antahkarana 
(internal 
instrument) just as sun reflects in the pond, the Jeevi comes in to being. 
There are many 
complex concepts and ideas behind this theory. Let us keep them aside. This 
theory can 
adequately satisfy the question before us.
Because a Jeevi is nothing but a reflection of the Supreme Self, every Jeevi 
will possess the 
feeling 'I am superior' quite naturally. No special training is necessary for 
that feeling to 
enter the brain. But this Jeevi, who is the reflection of the Supreme Self, has 
forgotten his 
original form. Therefore, whenever he thinks about himself, he identifies 
himself with his 
body or the mind. He therefore tends to compare the body and the mind of 
another Jeevi 
and starts getting a new feeling - 'I am inferior'.
'I am inferior' Ð this is a new feeling. That is, it came much after the 
individual was born. It 
is a feeling acquired by the individual due to thinking. 'I am superior' Ð this 
is the original 
thinking. This is an inborn thinking. Soon, the old thinking and the new 
thinking start to 
fight among themselves. This struggle itself is the so-called 'Desire to win'. 
It is this 
internal struggle (desire to win) which encourages one individual to fight with 
another 
individual.

Desire to win will be equal in both the individuals (the defendant and the 
opponent). 
Infact, fighting will be there only when the desire to win is equal in both the 
individuals.

If both individuals are the reflection of the Supreme Self and if the desire to 
win is equal in 
both the individuals, why will one of them suffer defeat?
Both the individuals are under the impression that the body (which is not the 
'I') is the real 
'I'. They will never doubt the propriety of such feeling. In fact, they are 
fully convinced that 
they are nothing but their bodies. Because of the difference in their body 
structure and 
strength, one of them will lose and the other will win.
If we contemplate on this discussion, we can see another hypothesis within it. 
It is, 'just as 
desire to succeed is a

[FairfieldLife] Datta

2005-12-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9



http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/april2001/april2001.html

Paraarthamevaavataran muhurya
Shshishyaan svabodhaih kurute svatulyaan
Tam sparsha ratnaadadhika prabhaavam
Dattam guroonaam gurumaanatosmi
(Sri Datta Dhyaana Maalikaa)

He incarnates again and again for the sake of those who take refuge in Him. He 
turns His 
devotees into divine beings (as divine as Himself). His greatness is indeed far 
superior to 
that of a touchstone. (Whereas a touchstone can turn into gold, a piece of 
iron, it can 
never convert a piece of iron into another touchstone. It is not so with Lord 
Dattatreya. He 
uplifts those who take refuge in Him to His level. I prostrate to Lord 
Dattatreya, who is the 
Guru of all Gurus.

In Datta Seva

Hanuman






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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Tom Pall

2005-12-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

It sure is a good thing Tom is making so much progress. I don't like to think of where he might be if he were to actually slide backwards.

Sal


On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Peter wrote:

Tom does make a point that he has in many ways become
 one of FFL's favorite whipping boys and it is a little
 excessive at times. But he certainly has brought it
 upon himself in many ways. He also seems to argue
 against inferences he has made and claims they are the
 main arguments of the poster. So, Tom, I'll back off
 and only respond to current posts in a respectful
 manner. I'm glad you're having good experiences with
 the TM-sidhhi program.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated

I was original anon poster of this question.
Finally back online to see descriptions of indescribable.
Thanks for expositions of opinions.

Given these responses, is there anybody here who claims this liberated state?
Or close to it?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-05 Thread benjaminccollins

  PS. With reference to another recent discussion here on FFL, 
I'll just
  mention that I have been involved in arranging yagyas for George
  Harrison and his family both before and after his passing. 
Before he
  died George was mostly into Yogananda and the usual plethora of
  spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin in which his 
main
  guidance was Ravi Shankar.  After his passing I have continued to
  arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid meditator, 
not to
  mention a very fine person.
 
 Ben:
 
 Thanks for giving some support for my observation that George has  
 moved on to other practices. Evolution is where it's at!
 
 It is also my understanding that Ravi had been a guiding influence 
on  
 George, as he took him as a guru early on in his own sitar 
studies.  
 Ravi also has commented on the practices that they shared as 
George  
 was dying. What a wonderful friend and spiritual companion to have.
 
 -V.

The day of the service was an interesting experience.  My priest 
friend Seetharam chanted Rudram from Yajur Veda and it was a 
wonderful and moving experience.  Afterwards I had the pleasure of 
spending half an hour talking with Ravi Shankar and his wife who 
were the most down-to-earth and delightful people you can imagine.  
Their warmth and easy spirituality were abundantly apparent.  











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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1998 experience NOT believed to be Dark Night of the Soul

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  Is this your story LB?
 
 
 
 It is. It was published in the Fairfield Weekly Reader several
 years ago.

*Very* nicely written.

If you had a bunch more like this, you'd have a book.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Farrokh Requests Correction

2005-12-05 Thread at_man_and_brahman

I stand corrected. The author of this 
message still has some explaining to
do, though I imagine we'll never see
it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tmforlife108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I posted Farrok's letter.  I'm sorry if the wrong impression was given.  The 
 letter was 
from 
 a gov in the UK.  Farrokh simply forwarded it to me.
 
 Daniel Jeffers
 
 Message: 6 
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:39:05 -0600
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re:Re: Latest from Farrokh
 
 Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours?
 
 
 on 12/4/05 5:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
  though, about some of his remarks here.
  
  First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
  thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
  is purely the fault of its administrators and not
  of the founder.
  
  I have an undergraduate background in physics
  and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
  and I am a long way from being able to touch
  Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
  of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
  monographs (Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
  and Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
  Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science) or his published
  high-energy physics papers.
  
  The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
  so a series of courses in math is not really the right
  foundation to critique them; a long series of
  graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
  for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
  be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
  has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
  monographs do not attempt to construct a
  finite unified field theory, a central point in
  Farrokh's critique.
  
  Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
  not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
  nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
  celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
  theory and superstrings.
  
  Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
  at least a working knowledge of Maharishi's Vedic
  Science, and the experience of discussing physics
  with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
  Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
  Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
  Hagelin is using his theories correctly?
  
  What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
  Clements'? 
  
  Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
  wonderfully elegant solutions to the problems
  of the dimensionality of space and the origin
  of the symmetries of the Standard Model, it's
  just a matter of time until he wins multiple
  Nobel prizes. 
  
  That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
  self, Farrokh!
  
  In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
  Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
  makes sense in just about every other way.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tmforlife108 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a 
 stand
  against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
  movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type 
 of
  crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
  scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
  Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than 
 turn
  around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. 
 So
  I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I 
 could
  acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
  present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science 
 as
  proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use 
 those
  insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
  physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a 
 very
  unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
  expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's 
 knowledge.
  When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate 
 reality is
  of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite 
 Unified
  Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can 
 be
  experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one 
 after
  the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very 
 interesting
  mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of 
 the
  deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of 
 space
  and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have 
 wonderfully
  elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these 
 ideas at
  a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and 
 this
  initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get 
 some
  appreciation from experts who are utterly

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1998 experience NOT believed to be Dark Night of the Soul

2005-12-05 Thread L B Shriver

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   Is this your story LB?
  
  
  
  It is. It was published in the Fairfield Weekly Reader several
  years ago.
 
 *Very* nicely written.
 
 If you had a bunch more like this, you'd have a book.



Thanks. The other stories are in note form only at this time. That book will 
have to wait for 
a while.

L B S







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-05 Thread benjaminccollins

Well I suppose I should just let this all pass.  But since Tom made 
some specific accusations I feel I should respond just to set the 
record straight.

Professionally I am an adjunct faculty member teaching multi-media 
and programming at a small college in Long Beach, CA.  I've been 
here for 6 years now and for the past two terms received 
the Student's Choice Award for best instructor.  I came here after 
leaving a high paying corporate job after my boss left and his 
replacement didn't care for me. I prefer teaching to corporate 
management and am fine with the lower pay because this is a better 
way to make a living.  Overall, I think I have a stable job history.

Yes, I'm divorced, just like over 50% of the US population.  I have 
my kids every weekend and they are delightful, strong and healthy 
children who love their Dad.  No problems there.

In addition to my 20 hours of college classes, I work on puja.net 
roughly 30 hours a week.  I pay myself $1000 a month because if I 
didn't there would be no puja.net and I figure I'm worth $9/hour.  
The yagya program provides the funds to support 6 priests and their 
family.  We pay them well and they live happily.  This is my 
contribution towards the preservation of the vedic tradition.  I 
created something where before there was nothing.  

I'd love to do yagyas full time just like I loved the 5 years I 
taught TM full time back in the 70's (in Chicago mostly).  I 
probably could if I approached this as a business.  But that seems 
to me to defeat the higher purpose.  Inevitably Puja.net has 
business elements, but it has evolved into more than just yagyas; 
there are audio and video programs, a podcast, the service we do in 
the temples around Kanchipuram, the food and dhotis that we dontate 
to the children in the pundit ashrams, etc.  Only the yagyas involve 
money right now.  We are large enough and the participation levels 
are high enough that we can offer 4 days of full scale yagyas for 
$65.  That is, to me, an accomplishment and I tend to view puja.net 
as a yagya co-op as much as anything.

I know I've made mistakes and I am sure there is still room for 
improvement.  But ten years ago there was nothing like a yagya co-op 
and I was figuring it out as I went along.  So mistakes and missteps 
are inevitable.  And certainly when one puts oneself out there, 
there are a few who will view it as a target opportunity.  It just 
goes with the territory.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release: Maharishi Establishes- 'The World Federation of Traditional Kings'

2005-12-05 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace
  Dr. Bevan Morris
 
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   Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
   Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals
 
 Was this Bevan's personals ad?

Now that's funny.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] THE PYRAMID TEXTS (ABRIDGED), WITH COMMENTARIES BY SW. TANTRASANGHA

2005-12-05 Thread tantrayudha

THE PYRAMID TEXTS (ABRIDGED), WITH COMMENTARIES BY SW. TANTRASANGHA

Translation by Samuel A. B. Mercer
Professor Emeritus of Semitic Languages and Egyptology
Trinity College in the University of Toronto
LONGMANS, GREEN  CO.
NEW YORK, LONDON, TORONTO
[1952]

INTRODUCTION TO THE PYRAMID TEXTS

The following is from The Pyramid Texts, translated by Samuel A.B.
Mercer. Note how many times, in this fraction of the entire
text, efflux appears, followed by symbolical representations. Here
we see what is probably the earliest known record of the Christian
sacramental eucharist of wine or beer and bread or meat to symbolize
the flesh and blood of the Son of Man, as Jesus called it in the
Bible. Then as now, they must have known that the wise would take the
literal efflux of two libations, male and female. N. means Om or
water, and Nut means female water. Those not so wise would then
prefer the symbolic interpretation and do so til this very day.

The oldest known written document in the world, is found in the
burial chamber of the Step Pyramid of King Djoser, which along with
these Pyramid Texts, are at Sakarra, Egypt. But there is no known
complete translation of the texts from the Step Pyramid, and they are
not in this collection. Why? Could it be that it contains the same
prophecy as that of the Biblical Joseph, about the Seven Years of
Famine, but gives it a Tantric explanation? (It does.) I say Djoser
is Joseph, even though the officially accepted dates don't match. My
guess is that the Hyksos conquerors, known as the shepherd kings,
were early Canaanites, who, as the Bible recounts, followed Joseph
into Egypt. I assume the efflux opens the (third) Eye of Horus.

Jai Om (N., On, Ankh). And the Bible states: Joseph married the
daughter of the priest of On. Theological Forensics seeks Truth
among the philosophical corpses of this whorehouse world's
murdered martyrs and rejected teachings. What have you got in YOUR
trash can? Sai Ram

The Pyramid Texts were funerary inscriptions that were written on the
walls of the early Ancient Egyptian pyramids at Sakkara. These date
back to the fifth and sixth dynasties, approximately the years 2350-
2175 B.C.E. However, because of extensive internal evidence, it is
believed that they were composed much earlier, circa 3000 B.C.E. The
Pyramid Texts are, therefore, essentially the oldest sacred texts
known.

Samuel Mercer was the first to produce a complete English translation
of this mysterious text, in 1952. This was also the first complete
translation in any language. The Mercer translation was followed by
the R.O. Faulkner translation in 1969, which is considered the
standard today. However, this does not diminish the usefulness of
Mercer's version, particularly because it has fallen into the public
domain and is now available freely online here at sacred-texts, the
first complete version of the Pyramid Texts on the Interent.

PRODUCTION NOTES: The four volume edition from which this was scanned
is today very rare and sells for upwards of $800 on the used market.
This etext is the complete text of volume one of this set, and
includes the complete Mercer translation of the Pyramid Texts.
Volumes 2-4 are commentary by Mercer and others. I do not currently
plan to scan the remaining volumes.

The famous Pyramid Texts herein translated for the first time in
English with commentary were found inscribed on the walls of five
pyramids at Sa#7731;#7731;âreh, the ancient necropolis of Memphis 
in Egypt.
These pyramids are those of the kings Unis of the Fifth Dynasty, and
Teti, Pepi I, Merenr#275;` and Pepi II of the Sixth Dynasty. To this
translation has been added that of recently discovered additional
texts, parallel and complementary, in the pyramids of Oudjebten,
Neit, and Apouit, queens of Pepi II, and of Ibi, a king of the
Seventh Dynasty, of whom little historically is known. Thus,
according to the present generally accepted chronology, these
pyramids were constructed, and apparently inscribed, between the
years about 2350 to 2175 B.C. It is, however, certain that many of
these texts came into existence before the final union of Upper and
Lower Egypt, and perhaps long before that date, which is now put at
about 3000 B.C. Indeed, some of them possibly existed in oral form
before the art of writing was developed.

THE PYRAMID TEXTS, PART I

1. NUT AND THE DECEASED KING, UTTERANCES 1-11
Utterance 1.
1a. To say by Nut, the brilliant, the great: This is (my) son, (my)
first born (only begotten first-born), N. (water), opener of (my)
womb;
1b. this is (my) beloved, with whom I have been satisfied. (See this
quote in the Holy Bible.)
Utterance 3.
2a. To say by Nut, the great, who is within the lower mansion: This
is (my) son, N. (water), (my) beloved,
2b. (my) eldest (son), (who is) upon the throne of Geb, with whom he
has been satisfied,
2c. to whom he gave his inheritance in the presence of the Great
Ennead.
3a. All the gods are in exultation; they say: How beautiful is N.,
with

[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
  isn't people.
  
  But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
  
  They've talked about it with other people. They're just not 
  running to the
  newspapers or setting up a web site.
  
  Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
 
 Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. 
 Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral 
 obligation to remain silent all their lives?

That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
TM movement that I don't think is positive.

Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?

And don't forget the canned response if, God help you,
you *do* talk about something less than pleasant that
occurred to you along the Way:  You're just unstressing.

In the TMO one is supposed to pretend all the time that
things are just hunky-dory.  It was like that in TM centers
throughout America; I can only assume that this pressure
to always be positive and to cover up anything that is
less than positive is even more intense in Fairfield.

And God help you if you violate this unspoken taboo.
You are first told that you're unstressing, then you're
shunned, and if you persist in speaking the unspeakable,
you're stigmatized.  Your credibility is questioned.  
And if this doesn't shut you up, there is always being
declared apostate -- thrown out of the TM movement.

I don't think this is a good thing.  While one can make 
a case for focusing on the positive and not dwelling
overlong on the past, I don't think one can make a case
for stigmatizing those who feel the need to talk about
what's happened to them.  I fell that to do so (to stig-
matize or attempt to impune the reputation or the 
credibility of the person speaking out) reveals the
spiritual poverty of those who practice it.

Unc







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-05 Thread Marek Reavis

Comment below:
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well I suppose I should just let this all pass.  But since Tom made 
 some specific accusations I feel I should respond just to set the 
 record straight.
 
 Professionally I am an adjunct faculty member teaching multi-media 
 and programming at a small college in Long Beach, CA.  I've been 
 here for 6 years now and for the past two terms received 
 the Student's Choice Award for best instructor.  I came here after 
 leaving a high paying corporate job after my boss left and his 
 replacement didn't care for me. I prefer teaching to corporate 
 management and am fine with the lower pay because this is a better 
 way to make a living.  Overall, I think I have a stable job history.
 
 Yes, I'm divorced, just like over 50% of the US population.  I have 
 my kids every weekend and they are delightful, strong and healthy 
 children who love their Dad.  No problems there.
 
 In addition to my 20 hours of college classes, I work on puja.net 
 roughly 30 hours a week.  I pay myself $1000 a month because if I 
 didn't there would be no puja.net and I figure I'm worth $9/hour.  
 The yagya program provides the funds to support 6 priests and their 
 family.  We pay them well and they live happily.  This is my 
 contribution towards the preservation of the vedic tradition.  I 
 created something where before there was nothing.  
 
 I'd love to do yagyas full time just like I loved the 5 years I 
 taught TM full time back in the 70's (in Chicago mostly).  I 
 probably could if I approached this as a business.  But that seems 
 to me to defeat the higher purpose.  Inevitably Puja.net has 
 business elements, but it has evolved into more than just yagyas; 
 there are audio and video programs, a podcast, the service we do in 
 the temples around Kanchipuram, the food and dhotis that we dontate 
 to the children in the pundit ashrams, etc.  Only the yagyas involve 
 money right now.  We are large enough and the participation levels 
 are high enough that we can offer 4 days of full scale yagyas for 
 $65.  That is, to me, an accomplishment and I tend to view puja.net 
 as a yagya co-op as much as anything.
 
 I know I've made mistakes and I am sure there is still room for 
 improvement.  But ten years ago there was nothing like a yagya co-op 
 and I was figuring it out as I went along.  So mistakes and missteps 
 are inevitable.  And certainly when one puts oneself out there, 
 there are a few who will view it as a target opportunity.  It just 
 goes with the territory.

**END**

I've been participating in Puja.net, at a very modest level for many
months now, and, for what it's worth, I've very much appreciated the
opportunity to contribute to what I similarly feel is an authentic
expression of the Vedic tradition.  Also, I have appreciated the
presentation at the website and the expanding and educational menu
available there.

Can't claim to be subtle enough to notice any results per se but,
although results were partially a motivation to joining, the primary
value for me comes just from the sense of participation.  It just
feels good to know that this is going on and that, in some small
fashion, I am supporting it.

My kudos to Ben for getting this started, and for continuing to manage
its growth and expansion.  In all my dealings with him he has been
helpful and considerate.  

Marek





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

on 12/5/05 1:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
 isn't people.
 
 But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
 
 They've talked about it with other people. They're just not
 running to the
 newspapers or setting up a web site.
 
 Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
 
 Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question.
 Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral
 obligation to remain silent all their lives?
 
 That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
 says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
 TM movement that I don't think is positive.
 
 Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
 unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?

In the case of the TMO, it's like the professor in the Wizard of Oz saying
Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. There's something
to hide.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

2005-12-05 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote:
   
In any other context than dumping on me or another
committed TMer (as I've observed before in similar
contexts), Barry would insist that behavior is not
an indication of spiritual development.
   
   You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the Yonified Field.
  
  I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in 
  disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being
  used for anything.  :-)
 
 Good to see that Judy isn't the only one to descend to personal 
 attacks in this forum...

Absolutely true.

But in my opinion one can do 'personal attacks' from
a sense of frustrated compassion and an attempt to provoke
a smile from at least the bystanders, or one can do it
from a desire to do harm.

I would *love* to have a pleasant conversation with
Judy Stein.  She's intelligent, she's well-spoken,
and I've learned a lot from her rationality and
her word nitpicking (See, even iconoclastic writers
can sometimes praise editors).  But at the same time,
as Vaj said recently, I have suffered greatly at the
hands of Judy Stein.  I have hoped beyond hope for
years that at some point she'd actually show a spark
of humanity, of concern for others or even awareness
that others *exist*.  Instead, what I've found is an
ego out of control, one that has to overreact to 
anything that challenges her world view or her view
of her self (*very* small S).  And the overreaction 
is very often in the form of attempting to impugn the 
character of or reputation of those who have committed 
the Cardinal Sin of disagreeing with her.

You've been there, man.  You've seen her savage ex-
TMers that she consider anti-TMers.  You've seen
her savage *meditators* (currently active TMers) fer
chrissakes.  She doesn't really *care* who she savages;
she cares only about being right, and about winning
the argument, even if it *wasn't* an argument before
she got involved in it.

I'm just fuckin' tired of it.  All these years, hoping
that she'd show a little human decency from time to 
time.  All these years disappointed.

So if I limit myself to the occasional cheap shot about
her dried-up pussy, count yourself lucky.  It's much
better than me going on and on here about how much
the spectacle of such wasted intelligence and wasted
time spent pursuing a path that *should* have enabled
her to be a better person than she is just breaks my
heart and causes me to doubt the efficacy of spiritual
practice itself.

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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
   isn't people.
   
   But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
   
   They've talked about it with other people. They're just not 
   running to the
   newspapers or setting up a web site.
   
   Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
  
  Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. 
  Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral 
  obligation to remain silent all their lives?
 
 That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
 says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
 TM movement that I don't think is positive.

Actually this discussion doesn't have anything to
do with movement trends or teaching, so it says
nothing about them whatsoever--as you'd know if you
had bothered to read the context instead of leaping
at a perceived opportunity to bash Lawson and the TMO.

 Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about
 those unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?

 And don't forget the canned response if, God help you,
 you *do* talk about something less than pleasant that
 occurred to you along the Way:  You're just unstressing.

Barry, *nothing* is as canned as the bitter anti-
TMO raps you compulsively shoehorn into conversations
where they have no earthly relevance.






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[FairfieldLife] FW: ref: FFL lurker, Swami G poster

Title: FW: ref: FFL lurker, Swami G poster





 Will someone, who knows, please tell me who Swami G
 is? I assume it is a FFL poster having fun. Why would
 any authentic Swami waste their time reading forwarded
 posts from an Internet newsgroup?

The lurker is a former FFL poster having fun, however Swami G is described in the web sites which I have submitted. So, now you know. I will pick out some posts ( including the question posed in this post) and ask Swami G for comment, then post this in this group.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

2005-12-05 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   http://www.andyrymer.com/aboutandy.htm
  
  Thanks.
  
  I found the QA about his workshop pretty
  impressive:
  
  http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm
  
  He certainly does talk a good game, at least.
 
 Maybe it's not a game. Perhaps he's as realized guy
 with a penchant for penis.

In your world view, is a realized guy with a penchant for vagina
inherently superior to one with a penchant for penis? And, if so, why?

Alex





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

Barry, this is *Lawson* you're talking to, for
heaven's sakes.  He's been on alt.m.t at least 
as long as you or I.  He knows what's gone on
there.  What on earth were you thinking to try
to lay this delusional rap on him?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 But at the same time,
 as Vaj said recently, I have suffered greatly at the
 hands of Judy Stein.

This is a real hoot.  I should go and collect some
of the many scores of assertions from Barry's posts
that nothing I've ever said has had the slightest
effect on him.

And then I should collect some of Barry's endless,
unbelievably vicious diatribes against me.  This
current one is mild, relatively speaking.






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[FairfieldLife] Peace Palaces vs Peace Tunnels...

MMY wants to raise 600 billion to rebuild the world. David Lynch 
wants to raise 7 billion to teach all US kids to meditate.

Neil Bush and Sun Myung Moon have split the difference and are just 
going for building a peace tunnel...


http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/12/5/85615/2673

Neil Bush: No Billy Carter
By Todd Gitlin | bio
From: Media
John Gorenfeld at Alternet reports that the president's kid brother 
Neil has been traveling through Asia in the company of the  Rev. Sun 
Myung Moon, self-proclaimed messiah and sole proprietor of the loyal 
Republican Washington Times, promoting (ready for this?) a $200 
billion Peace King Tunnel--51 underwater miles joining Alaska to 
Russia, perhaps to enable brother George to look more closely into 
the soul of Vladimir Putin.  Gorenfeld adds:  While Neil Bush and 
Moon's church couldn't be reached for comment on the tunnel or his 
speaking fees, a brochure from Moon's Family Federation underscores 
that the project is 'God's fervent desire.' 
Anyone else remember when the cavortings of Jimmy Carter's errant 
brother Billy with terrorist Moammar Qaddafi amounted to big news?   
New York Post, where are you?  All Things Considered?  National 
Enquirer?  








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Farrokh Requests Correction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I stand corrected. The author of this 
 message still has some explaining to
 do, though I imagine we'll never see
 it.
 

That Farokh him seriously enough to pass it on speaks volumes about 
HIM, I think...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

2005-12-05 Thread mrsatva

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend, but I DO ask
   you to wonder why
they bother talking about it to you? Is it the
   thrill of revealing
they slept with a celebrity? Or is it bitterness
   and remorse? Or what?

Do your female friends normally talk about people
   they slept with
decades ago?
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even secretive.
   Maharishi isn't people.
  
  When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came out of my
  first meditation, I think he made a pass at me. There
  was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it must have
  been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
 
 No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a website to promote this 
 cause. The world needs to know about Rick and his 'spiritual incest'.
 
 OffWorld


You are absolutly right !!! 

Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his Initiation in that
pub in Ireland and at that time the storry sounded mutch wors.

I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to know !!!

Mr. Satva 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.andyrymer.com/aboutandy.htm
 
 Thanks.
 
 I found the QA about his workshop pretty impressive:
 
 http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm
 
 He certainly does talk a good game, at least.

Sounds very credible to me. I wonder what his success rate is?






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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 12/5/05 1:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
  isn't people.
  
  But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
  
  They've talked about it with other people. They're just not
  running to the
  newspapers or setting up a web site.
  
  Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
  
  Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question.
  Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral
  obligation to remain silent all their lives?
  
  That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
  says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
  TM movement that I don't think is positive.
  
  Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
  unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?
 
 In the case of the TMO, it's like the professor in the Wizard of Oz 
saying
 Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. There's 
something
 to hide.


Still haven't answered my question...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Barry, this is *Lawson* you're talking to, for
 heaven's sakes.  He's been on alt.m.t at least 
 as long as you or I.  He knows what's gone on
 there.  What on earth were you thinking to try
 to lay this delusional rap on him?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
  But at the same time,
  as Vaj said recently, I have suffered greatly at the
  hands of Judy Stein.
 
 This is a real hoot.  I should go and collect some
 of the many scores of assertions from Barry's posts
 that nothing I've ever said has had the slightest
 effect on him.
 
 And then I should collect some of Barry's endless,
 unbelievably vicious diatribes against me.  This
 current one is mild, relatively speaking.


Please don't. Let Barry have the last word on this. 






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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
   isn't people.
   
   But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
   
   They've talked about it with other people. They're just not 
   running to the
   newspapers or setting up a web site.
   
   Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
  
  Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. 
  Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral 
  obligation to remain silent all their lives?
 
 That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
 says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
 TM movement that I don't think is positive.
 
 Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
 unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?
 
 And don't forget the canned response if, God help you,
 you *do* talk about something less than pleasant that
 occurred to you along the Way:  You're just unstressing.
 
 In the TMO one is supposed to pretend all the time that
 things are just hunky-dory.  It was like that in TM centers
 throughout America; I can only assume that this pressure
 to always be positive and to cover up anything that is
 less than positive is even more intense in Fairfield.
 
 And God help you if you violate this unspoken taboo.
 You are first told that you're unstressing, then you're
 shunned, and if you persist in speaking the unspeakable,
 you're stigmatized.  Your credibility is questioned.  
 And if this doesn't shut you up, there is always being
 declared apostate -- thrown out of the TM movement.
 
 I don't think this is a good thing.  While one can make 
 a case for focusing on the positive and not dwelling
 overlong on the past, I don't think one can make a case
 for stigmatizing those who feel the need to talk about
 what's happened to them.  I fell that to do so (to stig-
 matize or attempt to impune the reputation or the 
 credibility of the person speaking out) reveals the
 spiritual poverty of those who practice it.
 
 Unc


Why are they talking about it at all? is a question that gets asked 
by everyone whenever a man or woman starts telling tales about past 
sexual relationships. There are no doubt many legitimate reasons to 
talk about such relationships. I'm just wondering what the reasons 
are in THESE cases.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul is tough enough for the healthy

2005-12-05 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know from my own experience that the Dark Night of the Soul 
 experience was based on not doing alot of housekeeping first.  
 Primarily, I needed to work on developing a self before I give
 up the self.
 
I'm a few months into this dark night shit, and I arrived here after
spending a year and a half free falling into all the conditioned,
small-self stuff that I had spent decades trying to avoid.
Housekeeping is definitely a worthy endeavor, but it's apparently not
guaranteed protection against having to endure a dark night of the soul.

Alex





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:14 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
TM movement that I don't think is positive.

Don't focus on the negative. Don't talk about those
unpleasant things. Ever hear those phrases?

It's just a form of censorship.

And don't forget the canned response if, God help you,
you *do* talk about something less than pleasant that
occurred to you along the Way: You're just unstressing.

In the TMO one is supposed to pretend all the time that
things are just hunky-dory. It was like that in TM centers
throughout America; I can only assume that this pressure
to always be positive and to cover up anything that is
less than positive is even more intense in Fairfield.

Not in the town itself, probably on campus. Altho I, like most former TMers, go there maybe once or twice a year at the most.

And God help you if you violate this unspoken taboo.
You are first told that you're unstressing, then you're
shunned, and if you persist in speaking the unspeakable,
you're stigmatized. Your credibility is questioned.

Well, that would be easy to fix--all they need to do is go and get a Ph.D.

And if this doesn't shut you up, there is always being
declared apostate -- thrown out of the TM movement.
Horrors.

I don't think this is a good thing. While one can make
a case for focusing on the positive and not dwelling
overlong on the past, I don't think one can make a case
for stigmatizing those who feel the need to talk about
what's happened to them. I fell that to do so (to stig-
matize or attempt to impune the reputation or the
credibility of the person speaking out) reveals the
spiritual poverty of those who practice it.

Or the fact that some things are pretty much indefensible, and focusing on the person rather than the issue absolves them of having to actually talk about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I was original anon poster of this question.
 Finally back online to see descriptions of indescribable.
 Thanks for expositions of opinions.
 
 Given these responses, is there anybody here who claims this 
liberated state?
 Or close to it?

I am curious; why do you want to know?





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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)


 And God help you if you violate this unspoken taboo.
 You are first told that you're unstressing, then you're
 shunned, and if you persist in speaking the unspeakable,
 you're stigmatized.  Your credibility is questioned.  
 And if this doesn't shut you up, there is always being
 declared apostate -- thrown out of the TM movement.


Yes (except for the stigmatized and credibility bit - this is an 
exaggeration - nigh on a lie), but go back to the beginnings of what 
TM really is. 
Do you think you would be treated differently in an Ashram in India, a 
Buddhist monastery in Tibet, a Christian monastery in England, or a 
Church or Synagogue in the US?

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Man lives without food or drink

2005-12-05 Thread bbrigante

http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Note: forwarded message attached.
 
 Link:
 
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
 
 
 
 The Times
 26-Nov-03
 
 Guru 'lives without food or water'
 From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
 
 
 
 Jani: astounded doctors
 
 FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
Indian guru
 has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
survived
 nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage 
to his
 health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
the weekend
 after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
disproving his
 claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
closed-circuit
 cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
nor disprove
 his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
baffled. Sudhir Shah,
 the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
the formation
 of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
the journey to
 Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
being
 challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water 
for decades.
 He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
goddess Ambaji
 Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
CCTV cameras
 to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
sealed to test
 his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
fluid that he was
 allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after 
seven days,
 but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. 
At the end of
 ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
continued to
 puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
yet to be tested
 by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
palate, which
 enables
 me to go without food and water,â? he said. Â 
 
 
 Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on 
Times
 Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our 
Privacy Policy .
 To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, 
visit the
 Syndication website .
 
 
 
   
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 Just $16.99/mo. or less. 
 dsl.yahoo.com 
 
 Link:
 
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
 
 
 
 The Times
 26-Nov-03
 
 Guru 'lives without food or water'
 From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
 
 
 
 Jani: astounded doctors
 
 FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
Indian guru
 has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
survived
 nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage 
to his
 health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
the weekend
 after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
disproving 
 his
 claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
closed-circuit
 cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
nor disprove
 his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
baffled. Sudhir 
 Shah,
 the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
the formation
 of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
the journey 
 to
 Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
being
 challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water 
for 
 decades.
 He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
goddess Ambaji
 Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
CCTV cameras
 to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
sealed to 
 test
 his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
fluid that he 
 was
 allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after 
seven 
 days,
 but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. 
At the end 
 of
 ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
continued to
 puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
yet to be 
 tested
 by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
palate, which 
 enables
 me to go without food and water,â he said. Â 
 
 
 Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on 
Times
 Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our 
Privacy Policy .
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visit the
 Syndication website .







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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
   isn't people.
   
   But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
   
   They've talked about it with other people. They're just not 
   running to the
   newspapers or setting up a web site.
   
   Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
  
  Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. 
  Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral 
  obligation to remain silent all their lives?
 
 That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
 says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
 TM movement that I don't think is positive.
 
 Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
 unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?
 
 And don't forget the canned response if, God help you,
 you *do* talk about something less than pleasant that
 occurred to you along the Way:  You're just unstressing.
 
 In the TMO one is supposed to pretend all the time that
 things are just hunky-dory.  It was like that in TM centers
 throughout America; I can only assume that this pressure
 to always be positive and to cover up anything that is
 less than positive is even more intense in Fairfield.


Forget being positive...what I couldn't stand was virtually every 
brochure that came out of MIU had happy, smiling faces...very 
Stepford Wives-ish.  I was at MIU at the time and --speaking for my 
friends and I -- we stayed as far away as possible from the few on 
campus that did actually smile that much (and that little 
demographic had a disproportionately high number of mental 
breakdowns).



 
 And God help you if you violate this unspoken taboo.
 You are first told that you're unstressing, then you're
 shunned, and if you persist in speaking the unspeakable,
 you're stigmatized.  Your credibility is questioned.  
 And if this doesn't shut you up, there is always being
 declared apostate -- thrown out of the TM movement.


I honestly don't think that happens much these days in the TM 
Movement, Tantra.  Why?  Because the nuttiness that is coming down 
from Vlodrop-in-the-sky is occurring so often and is SO undefendable 
that even the most hard-core True Believer is hapless in his ability 
to defend it.
 
From Kings weighed in gold to CIA comments to I-speak-only-to-those-
with-Vastu to Damn-democracy, a little negativity from the troops is 
actually a welcome respite: at least some cynicism, skepticism and 
negativity from meditators is something in the realm of rationality 
and, as such, can be dealt with by a rational mind.  Vlodrop 
proclamations leaves the most devoted of the initiators and 
governors scratching their heads and first trying to figure out what 
the hell is going on themselves before they would even hope to 
answer a question from a regular meditator about it.

Speaking of proclamations: remember back in the '70s when the TMO 
lobbied for and got all those State and US Congressional 
Proclamations?  And how the TMO (read: Maharishi) thought that they 
were actually worth the paper that they were written on and 
publicized them?  Well, as embarrassing as that was then and as much 
as we all rolled our eyes, well, by comparison to what's going on 
today, it seems like the good 'ole days.




 
 I don't think this is a good thing.  While one can make 
 a case for focusing on the positive and not dwelling
 overlong on the past, I don't think one can make a case
 for stigmatizing those who feel the need to talk about
 what's happened to them.  I fell that to do so (to stig-
 matize or attempt to impune the reputation or the 
 credibility of the person speaking out) reveals the
 spiritual poverty of those who practice it.
 
 Unc







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend, but I DO ask
you to wonder why
 they bother talking about it to you? Is it the
thrill of revealing
 they slept with a celebrity? Or is it bitterness
and remorse? Or what?
 
 Do your female friends normally talk about people
they slept with
 decades ago?

Actually, they're quite private, even secretive.
Maharishi isn't people.
   
   When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came out of my
   first meditation, I think he made a pass at me. There
   was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it must have
   been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
  
  No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a website to promote 
this 
  cause. The world needs to know about Rick and his 'spiritual 
incest'.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 You are absolutly right !!! 
 
 Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his Initiation in 
that
 pub in Ireland and at that time the storry sounded mutch wors.
 
 I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to know !!!
 
 Mr. Satva

What's wrong with this guy's spelling?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote:

 In any other context than dumping on me or another
 committed TMer (as I've observed before in similar
 contexts), Barry would insist that behavior is not
 an indication of spiritual development.

You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the Yonified Field.
   
   I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in 
   disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being
   used for anything.  :-)
  
  Good to see that Judy isn't the only one to descend to 
personal 
  attacks in this forum...
 
 Absolutely true.
 
 But in my opinion one can do 'personal attacks' from
 a sense of frustrated compassion and an attempt to provoke
 a smile from at least the bystanders, or one can do it
 from a desire to do harm.
 
 I would *love* to have a pleasant conversation with
 Judy Stein.  She's intelligent, she's well-spoken,
 and I've learned a lot from her rationality and
 her word nitpicking (See, even iconoclastic writers
 can sometimes praise editors).  But at the same time,
 as Vaj said recently, I have suffered greatly at the
 hands of Judy Stein.  I have hoped beyond hope for
 years that at some point she'd actually show a spark
 of humanity, of concern for others or even awareness
 that others *exist*.  Instead, what I've found is an
 ego out of control, one that has to overreact to 
 anything that challenges her world view or her view
 of her self (*very* small S).  And the overreaction 
 is very often in the form of attempting to impugn the 
 character of or reputation of those who have committed 
 the Cardinal Sin of disagreeing with her.
 
 You've been there, man.  You've seen her savage ex-
 TMers that she consider anti-TMers.  You've seen
 her savage *meditators* (currently active TMers) fer
 chrissakes.  She doesn't really *care* who she savages;
 she cares only about being right, and about winning
 the argument, even if it *wasn't* an argument before
 she got involved in it.
 
 I'm just fuckin' tired of it.  All these years, hoping
 that she'd show a little human decency from time to 
 time.  All these years disappointed.
 
 So if I limit myself to the occasional cheap shot about
 her dried-up pussy, count yourself lucky.  It's much
 better than me going on and on here about how much
 the spectacle of such wasted intelligence and wasted
 time spent pursuing a path that *should* have enabled
 her to be a better person than she is just breaks my
 heart and causes me to doubt the efficacy of spiritual
 practice itself.
 
 Unc

I can't speak for other forums, but I can't say I see the traits you 
are accusing her of here on FFL, and can only assume you are 
extremely prejudiced, who does not want his agenda questioned by 
anyone.

Unless you can show actual quotes here on FFL demonstrating your 
claims, I wish you and Vaj would stop your attacks. It is very 
tedious.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Man lives without food or drink

2005-12-05 Thread shempmcgurk

Big friggin' deal.

Put him on the mid-way and let people throw quarters at him...that's 
about all the practicality that this power is worth.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Note: forwarded message attached.
 
 Link:
 
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
 
 
 
 The Times
 26-Nov-03
 
 Guru 'lives without food or water'
 From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
 
 
 
 Jani: astounded doctors
 
 FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
Indian guru
 has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
survived
 nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage 
to his
 health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
the weekend
 after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
disproving his
 claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
closed-circuit
 cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
nor disprove
 his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
baffled. Sudhir Shah,
 the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
the formation
 of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
the journey to
 Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
being
 challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water 
for decades.
 He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
goddess Ambaji
 Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
CCTV cameras
 to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
sealed to test
 his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
fluid that he was
 allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after 
seven days,
 but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. 
At the end of
 ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
continued to
 puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
yet to be tested
 by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
palate, which
 enables
 me to go without food and water,â? he said. Â 
 
 
 Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on 
Times
 Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our 
Privacy Policy .
 To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, 
visit the
 Syndication website .
 
 
 
   
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 Link:
 
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
 
 
 
 The Times
 26-Nov-03
 
 Guru 'lives without food or water'
 From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
 
 
 
 Jani: astounded doctors
 
 FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
Indian guru
 has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
survived
 nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage 
to his
 health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
the weekend
 after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
disproving 
 his
 claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
closed-circuit
 cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
nor disprove
 his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
baffled. Sudhir 
 Shah,
 the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
the formation
 of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
the journey 
 to
 Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
being
 challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water 
for 
 decades.
 He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
goddess Ambaji
 Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
CCTV cameras
 to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
sealed to 
 test
 his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
fluid that he 
 was
 allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after 
seven 
 days,
 but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. 
At the end 
 of
 ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
continued to
 puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
yet to be 
 tested
 by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
palate, which 
 enables
 me to go without food and water,â he said. Â 
 
 
 Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on 
Times
 Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our 
Privacy Policy .
 To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, 
visit the
 Syndication website .








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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread bluecabbagerose

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 12/5/05 1:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi
   isn't people.
   
   But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?
   
   They've talked about it with other people. They're just not
   running to the
   newspapers or setting up a web site.
   
   Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?
   
   Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question.
   Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral
   obligation to remain silent all their lives?
   
   That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
   says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
   TM movement that I don't think is positive.
   
   Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
   unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?
  
  In the case of the TMO, it's like the professor in the Wizard of 
Oz 
 saying
  Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. There's 
 something
  to hide.
 
 
 Still haven't answered my question...

I thought Rick answered it perfectly in another post. Why NOT talk 
about it? It is a painful life experience a number of women have 
experienced. Why should they keep quiet about it? Why continue to 
protect the perpetrator by remaining silent? Being able to talk about 
a painful experience, especially after having kept it secret for many 
years, is a very common way to begin the healing process. Ever hear 
of the term, Get something off my chest? There are a few lines I 
often repeat to myself when I think of the dear friends I 
have unloaded on over the years:

Joys when extended will always increase,
And griefs when divided are hushed into peace.

Talking about painful experiences is an incredibly great way to heal 
them.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Cat lives without food or drink

2005-12-05 Thread bluecabbagerose

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Note: forwarded message attached.
  
  Link:
  
  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
  
  
  
  The Times
  26-Nov-03
  
  Guru 'lives without food or water'
  From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
  
  
  
  Jani: astounded doctors
  
  FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
 Indian guru
  has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
 survived
  nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent 
damage 
 to his
  health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
 the weekend
  after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
 disproving his
  claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
 closed-circuit
  cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
 nor disprove
  his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
 baffled. Sudhir Shah,
  the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
 the formation
  of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
 the journey to
  Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
 being
  challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or 
water 
 for decades.
  He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
 goddess Ambaji
  Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
 CCTV cameras
  to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
 sealed to test
  his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
 fluid that he was
  allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise 
after 
 seven days,
  but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect 
health. 
 At the end of
  ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
 continued to
  puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
 yet to be tested
  by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
 palate, which
  enables
  me to go without food and water,â? he said. Â 
  
  
  Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on 
 Times
  Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our 
 Privacy Policy .
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  Syndication website .
  
  
  
  
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  Link:
  
  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html
  
  
  
  The Times
  26-Nov-03
  
  Guru 'lives without food or water'
  From Catherine Philp in Delhi 
  
  
  
  Jani: astounded doctors
  
  FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing 
 Indian guru
  has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has 
 survived
  nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent 
damage 
 to his
  health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at 
 the weekend
  after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to 
 disproving 
  his
  claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by 
 closed-circuit
  cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove 
 nor disprove
  his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are 
 baffled. Sudhir 
  Shah,
  the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of 
 the formation
  of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made 
 the journey 
  to
  Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after 
 being
  challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or 
water 
 for 
  decades.
  He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the 
 goddess Ambaji
  Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with 
 CCTV cameras
  to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was 
 sealed to 
  test
  his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only 
 fluid that he 
  was
  allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise 
after 
 seven 
  days,
  but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect 
health. 
 At the end 
  of
  ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors 
 continued to
  puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, 
 yet to be 
  tested
  by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my 
 palate, which 
  enables
  me to go without food and water,â he said. Â 
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread Jason Spock

TM is the brain-child of Gurudev Brahmananda Sarasvati. But others methods I don't know. I suppose a little bit of Snake-oil is necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement.??OriginalMessage- From: "shempmcgurk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:12:14 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed) Forget being "positive"...what I couldn't stand was virtually every brochure that came out of MIU had happy, smiling faces...very Stepford Wives-ish. I was at MIU at the time and --speaking for my friends and I -- we stayed as far away as possible from the few on campus that did actually smile that much (and that little demographic had a disproportionately high number of mental breakdowns). I honestly don't think that happens much these days in the TM Movement, Tantra. Why? Because the nuttiness
that is coming down from Vlodrop-in-the-sky is occurring so often and is SO undefendable that even the most hard-core True Believer is hapless in his ability to defend it. From Kings weighed in gold to CIA comments to I-speak-only-to-those-with-Vastu to Damn-democracy, a little negativity from the troops is actually a welcome respite: at least some cynicism, skepticism and negativity from meditators is something in the realm of rationality and, as such, can be dealt with by a rational mind. Vlodrop proclamations leaves the most devoted of the initiators and governors scratching their heads and first trying to figure out what the hell is going on themselves before they would even hope to answer a question from a regular meditator about it. Speaking of proclamations: remember back in the '70s when the TMO lobbied for and
got all those State and US Congressional Proclamations? And how the TMO (read: Maharishi) thought that they were actually worth the paper that they were written on and publicized them? Well, as embarrassing as that was then and as much as we all rolled our eyes, well, by comparison to what's going on today, it seems like the good 'ole days.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

2005-12-05 Thread cardemaister




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrsatva" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:   --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend, but I DO ask you to wonder why  they bother talking about it to you? Is it the thrill of revealing  they slept with a celebrity? Or is it bitterness and remorse? Or what?Do your female friends normally talk about people they slept with  decades ago?  Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi isn't "people."When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came out of myfirst meditation, I think he made a pass at me. Therewas a flash of arms and a beard...no, it must havebeen an LSD flashback. Never mind.  No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a website to promote  thiscause. The world needs to know about Rick and his 'spiritual  incest'.  OffWorld  You are absolutly right !!! Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his Initiation in  that  pub in Ireland and at that time the storry sounded mutch wors.I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to know !!!Mr. Satva  What's wrong with this guy's spelling?No big deal! His syntax is sound enuff at least forme to understand!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transference of Consciousness at the Time of Death

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Transference of Consciousness at the Time of Death
 

Thought provoking stuff. Interesting that the monk writing this 
advocates giving away everything prior to death. Seems a little odd, 
since you certainly give it away afterwards, anyway...And if we 
aren't ready to give all of our material posessions away, but do so 
regardless, it creates an even greater attachment to them.

Also to say Hitler can end up in a good place following these 
techniques may be true hypothetically, but it begs the question, why 
did he do all of that evil stuff while he was alive, and given that, 
why would he want to concentrate on releasing consciousness from his 
crown? He'd likely instead be preoccupied with his 
unspeakable achievements, keeping him naturally in the lower 
regions...

Last, the way to a pure land by releasing consciousness through the  
crown is not special to any kind of Buddhist techniques. It is the 
way any realized being leaves the body, whatever the affiliation, 
even 'lowly' TMers... ;)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
snip
  So if I limit myself to the occasional cheap shot about
  her dried-up pussy, count yourself lucky.  It's much
  better than me going on and on here about how much
  the spectacle of such wasted intelligence and wasted
  time spent pursuing a path that *should* have enabled
  her to be a better person than she is just breaks my
  heart and causes me to doubt the efficacy of spiritual
  practice itself.
  
  Unc
 
 I can't speak for other forums, but I can't say I see the traits
 you are accusing her of here on FFL, and can only assume you are 
 extremely prejudiced, who does not want his agenda questioned by 
 anyone.
 
 Unless you can show actual quotes here on FFL demonstrating your 
 claims, I wish you and Vaj would stop your attacks. It is very 
 tedious.

He's primarily referring to alt.m.t (which has been a
hostile debate forum almost since its inception, although
it's quieted down a bit in recent years because the most
rabid of the anti-TMers finally took a hike).

But even with regard to alt.m.t, his characterizations
are so wildly exaggerated and distorted as to amount to
willful deception.

Not only that, there's a very unhealthy dose of
projection involved.  As I noted in another post, this
attack is mild compared to those he was in the habit
of launching on alt.m.t, at me *and* others.  It was
virtually impossible for anyone to have a discussion
with him if they didn't agree with him to start with
without being subject to the nastiest kind of
putdowns.

Plus which, his crap about having suffered greatly
and his frustrated compassion and that I break his
heart is just that, pure crap, not a fraction of a
gram of sincerity in it.

Anybody who's interested, I'll be happy to refer you to
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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

2005-12-05 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


   TM is the brain-child of Gurudev Brahmananda Sarasvati.

   But others methods I don't know.  I suppose a little bit of 
Snake-oil is necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement.??



A little bit of snake-oil I can live with...we all can and did, 
for many years.  But today the snake-oil is a MAJOR part of the TMO 
and its marketing and that's too much for me.  Sorry.





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   From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:12:14 - 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy 
Man revealed) 
 
   Forget being positive...what I couldn't stand was virtually 
every brochure that came out of MIU had happy, smiling faces...very 
Stepford Wives-ish.  I was at MIU at the time and --speaking for my 
friends and I -- we stayed as far away as possible from the few on 
campus that did actually smile that much (and that little 
demographic had a disproportionately high number of mental 
breakdowns).
   
 I honestly don't think that happens much these days in the TM 
 Movement, Tantra.  Why?  Because the nuttiness that is coming down 
 from Vlodrop-in-the-sky is occurring so often and is SO 
undefendable 
 that even the most hard-core True Believer is hapless in his 
ability 
 to defend it.
   
 From Kings weighed in gold to CIA comments to I-speak-only-to-
those-
 with-Vastu to Damn-democracy, a little negativity from the troops 
is 
 actually a welcome respite: at least some cynicism, skepticism and 
 negativity from meditators is something in the realm of 
rationality 
 and, as such, can be dealt with by a rational mind.  Vlodrop 
 proclamations leaves the most devoted of the initiators and 
 governors scratching their heads and first trying to figure out 
what 
 the hell is going on themselves before they would even hope to 
 answer a question from a regular meditator about it.
   
 Speaking of proclamations: remember back in the '70s when the TMO 
 lobbied for and got all those State and US Congressional 
 Proclamations?  And how the TMO (read: Maharishi) thought that 
they 
 were actually worth the paper that they were written on and 
 publicized them?  Well, as embarrassing as that was then and as 
much 
 as we all rolled our eyes, well, by comparison to what's going on 
 today, it seems like the good 'ole days.

   


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   on 12/5/05 1:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. 
Maharishi
isn't people.

But WHY do they talk about it with YOU?

They've talked about it with other people. They're just not
running to the
newspapers or setting up a web site.

Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all?

Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question.
Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral
obligation to remain silent all their lives?

That question, Why are they talking about it at all?
says a lot about a very prevalent trend/teaching in the
TM movement that I don't think is positive.

Don't focus on the negative.  Don't talk about those
unpleasant things.  Ever hear those phrases?
   
   In the case of the TMO, it's like the professor in the Wizard 
of 
 Oz 
  saying
   Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. 
There's 
  something
   to hide.
  
  
  Still haven't answered my question...
 
 I thought Rick answered it perfectly in another post. Why NOT talk 
 about it? It is a painful life experience a number of women have 
 experienced. Why should they keep quiet about it? Why continue to 
 protect the perpetrator by remaining silent? Being able to talk 
about 
 a painful experience, especially after having kept it secret for 
many 
 years, is a very common way to begin the healing process. Ever hear 
 of the term, Get something off my chest? There are a few lines I 
 often repeat to myself when I think of the dear friends I 
 have unloaded on over the years:
 
 Joys when extended will always increase,
 And griefs when divided are hushed into peace.
 
 Talking about painful experiences is an incredibly great way to 
heal 
 them.



IS it an incredibly great way to heal? Actually, I don't know the 
timelines for when the events took place (allegedly) or when they 
allegedly told people about them, but Rick said something 
about months later in at least some of the cases.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: From Tom Pall

2005-12-05 Thread bostonbob53

Tom, 

Months ago, I wrote to you about my sister who is married to a black 
man.  This was with reference to your racial insensitivity and you 
reponded by suggesting that she likes to suck donkey dick.  How 
nice of you.

Don't write hate mail to me telling me that I should be
ashamed because describing myself as leaning towards the Aryan
Brotherhood means I persecute this dude's sister.

Then what does it mean Tom?  You claim not to pick fights, then why 
does every one of your YBC posts include some derogatory comment 
about Ben Collins?  Then you get pissed off because he responds?  He 
seems to be pretty restrained to me.

If you don't want to receive hate mail, then stop hating. Stop 
expressing yourself like a jackass. Until then you can expect the 
reactions you deserve.  If you've changed at all...it is damn 
difficult to detect.

You claim to hate hypocracy, and yet you seem to be leading the way 
in that department.  Are you capable of being nice?  forgiving?  
civil?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom, this is really just too good.  I thought everyone might want 
to 
 see these words of wisdom.  Thanks for sharing.
 
 
   The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's
   stopped calling African Americans niggers and now
   kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The power of
   yagyas!!
 
 My favorite part of Mr. Pall's post:
 
Truly I am transformed.
 
 The question is:  into what?
 
   Into someone who doesn't want to bicker, fight, play get 
one 
 over the other guy as is the FFL way.  I want to enjoy my victory 
in 
 being able to do full TM / TM Sidhi Programs after years of having 
to 
 do an abbreviated problem.  And having life turn around.  And yes, 
of 
 being less moved to anger, less moved to irritation, less moved to 
want 
 to fight and argue, more moved to live and let live.  But that's 
not 
 the FFL way.  Oh, I've also been transformed that I don't want to 
play 
 Eric Burnes Now I Got You, You Son of a Bitch in Games People 
Play 
 which is what FFL is mostly about.
 
 
 
 
 And then this gem:
   
Should you wish to make an ass out of yourself by
responding, do it
amongst yourself.  I don't read FFL and I have the
fools' email
addresses blocked.  I have filters set up with my
ISP such that if you
try to do an end run by sending me something nasty
from another email
address, your email will get trashed when it hits my
ISP.  Besides
that, may God bless and keep you.
  
 Yep, it's perfectly obvious those yagyas have done him a world of
 good...
 
 
   Indeed they have.  I have no interest in Dr. Pete 
announcing 
 that I am his favorite nigah once again.  I doubt that Dr. Pete 
nor any 
 of the FFLers spent as much time and money as I did caring for our 
NO 
 guests who arrived in Austin.  I continue to tutor, drive to the 
 doctor, help solve problems for these unfornatate people.I 
have no 
 interested in people dragging up past statements and beating me 
over 
 the head with them.  I wanted to share my experiences for those 
who 
 would care to read, take them at face value and move on. I learned 
 about yagnas from someone on Usenet or in this Yahoo group and I 
am 
 eteranlly grateful to them.  I want to give back to another 
potential 
 seeker.
 
   I didn't want a bunch of hate mail as I got last time I posted 
on FFL 
 about YBC.  I'm increasingly and very quickly realizing that an 
eye for 
 an eye soon makes the whole world blind.  I am considerably more 
easy 
 going, less hateful, less racist.  But why would I want to enter a 
 snake pit of vipers who have nothing else to do except snipe at 
each  
 other and announce that that's the case?  Would I be announcing to 
Dr. 
 Pete (who really needs to have someone call up his employer about 
his 
 posts on FFL) that I am now as loving and easy going and holy as 
he and 
 his are?  Why would I want inflamatory hate mail as I got from 
many FFL 
 hourly contributors.  What was the motive for their hate?  It 
was 
 that I aroused something they hate in themselves but can't face 
that, 
 so they project it outward upon me?
 
   I continued to be highly offended by many of Rudra Joe's posts.  
He 
 deserved to be fired for creating a multi-thousand dollar meal of 
foie 
 gras, lobster and truffles out of his boss's pantry and feeding it 
to 
 the dishwashers because they are people too.  I am offended by his 
 recounting the two girls who bared their tits to him and his 
helpers at 
 the Italian restaurant he worked at through the windows as he got 
fired 
 from job to job.  I am offended by his screwing his girlfriend 
behind 
 piles of foam in the Dome during presentations and meetings. I am 
 offended by all the people who encouraged Rudra Joe to blow away 
his 
 MUM student loans because he doesn't make enough money as a cook 
to pay 
 then off.  I consider that immature running away from one's own 
doing.  
 No

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed


 What's wrong with this guy's spelling?

Write the exact same thing he just said in German and
we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
 
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend, but I
 DO ask
 you to wonder why
  they bother talking about it to you? Is it
 the
 thrill of revealing
  they slept with a celebrity? Or is it
 bitterness
 and remorse? Or what?
  
  Do your female friends normally talk about
 people
 they slept with
  decades ago?
 
 Actually, they're quite private, even
 secretive.
 Maharishi isn't people.

When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came out
 of my
first meditation, I think he made a pass at
 me. There
was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it must
 have
been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
   
   No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a
 website to promote 
 this 
   cause. The world needs to know about Rick and
 his 'spiritual 
 incest'.
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  You are absolutly right !!! 
  
  Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his
 Initiation in 
 that
  pub in Ireland and at that time the storry sounded
 mutch wors.
  
  I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to
 know !!!
  
  Mr. Satva
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

on 12/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 IS it an incredibly great way to heal? Actually, I don't know the
 timelines for when the events took place (allegedly) or when they
 allegedly told people about them, but Rick said something
 about months later in at least some of the cases.

Depending on who we're talking about, and to whom they were talking, it
ranges from the morning after to decades later.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transference of Consciousness at the Time of Death

2005-12-05 Thread L B Shriver

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

 There's always trepanning. :-0




Do you have a favorite link?  ) :-0

L B S






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed


 First of all I think what you mean't to say is: It
 was me who 
 posted it - gullible fool

Nope, it wasn't me.

By the way, you misspelled meant.

--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
   What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
  
  Write the exact same thing he just said in German
 and
  we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
 
 First of all I think what you mean't to say is: It
 was me who 
 posted it - gullible fool
 
 Secondly in response to your request:
 Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
 Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das tag
 anderer die 
 interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum Irlande,
 und bin das 
 spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos kalpenfunken.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his
   Initiation in 
   that
pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
 sounded
   mutch wors.

I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to
   know !!!
   
  --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
   off_world_beings 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend,
 but I
   DO ask
   you to wonder why
they bother talking about it to you?
 Is it
   the
   thrill of revealing
they slept with a celebrity? Or is it
   bitterness
   and remorse? Or what?

Do your female friends normally talk
 about
   people
   they slept with
decades ago?
   
   Actually, they're quite private, even
   secretive.
   Maharishi isn't people.
  
  When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came
 out
   of my
  first meditation, I think he made a pass
 at
   me. There
  was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it
 must
   have
  been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
 
 No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a
   website to promote 
   this 
 cause. The world needs to know about Rick
 and
   his 'spiritual 
   incest'.
 
 OffWorld


You are absolutly right !!! 

Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after
 his
   Initiation in 
   that
pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
 sounded
   mutch wors.

I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to
   know !!!

Mr. Satva
   
   What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transference of Consciousness at the Time of Death

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:56 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  Last, the way to a pure land by releasing consciousness through the
  crown is not special to any kind of Buddhist techniques. It is the
  way any realized being leaves the body, whatever the affiliation,
  even 'lowly' TMers... ;)
 
 While anything is possible, unless you achieved the signs of  
 transference in this life, it is unlikely you will do so at the  
 moment of death.

I don't know exactly what you mean by the signs... The normal flow of 
energy is upward and through the crown, anyway, so at the moment of 
death, why should it be any different?
 
 There's always trepanning. :-0

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  we're just noting its incredible irony
  because spiritual growth is usually equated with
  greater compassion and understanding
 
 Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that
 are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a
 list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth.


Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. 
A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah.  Tom never
used that term.  Also, Dr. Pete spoke of Tom's character.  Character
is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many
things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote
that which is persistent.  So Tom is forever doomed and damned because
of his character.  Supposing.  Just suppose that Tom was using this
forum to unstress.  That would be unusual in such a group where even
something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something
wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play Now
I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch, wouldn't it?

Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done:  used years of
rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get through
the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us could
possibly imagine?  Suppose that he's telling the truth.  That he and
Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. 
Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows him
to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling
bad.  Dr. Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people.  But
Dr. Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character.  He is
forever doomed to be a sonofabitch.  Tom can't be cured.  Tom is
beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, because
though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more,
that's not something available to Tom.  Because of Tom's character.

But wait.  Tom isn't just a sonofabitch.  He's a classic seeker. 
He'll never find.  He'll never progress.  He'll never get anywhere. 
Because he's a classic seeker.  Did Amma just drop in on you one day
and that's why you now follow her?  Oh.  But that's not seeking, is it?

Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan
Brotherhood.  It's bad to be a racist.  You put someone in a category
that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from.  Being
a racist is bad.  Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision
upon them on the other hand, is good.  Right?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 12/5/05 6:35 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
  
  What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
  
  Write the exact same thing he just said in German and
  we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
  
  First of all I think what you mean't to say is: It was me who
  posted it - gullible fool
  
  Secondly in response to your request:
  Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
  Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das tag anderer die
  interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum Irlande, und bin das
  spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos kalpenfunken.
 
 Which according to Google, translates as
 
 You are arrange verinkommen!!!  Specialdzig am I bergonnen Mr. 
Pfetr day the
 different one the interdructukennforchen in the beer house to the 
Irlande,
 and am the play of the folkensaggen versunden vos kalpenfunken.
 


Wow, so much for Google eh?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
  First of all I think what you mean't to say is: It
  was me who 
  posted it - gullible fool
 
 Nope, it wasn't me.
 
 By the way, you misspelled meant.

Not where I come from.




 
 --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   
What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
   
   Write the exact same thing he just said in German
  and
   we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
  
  First of all I think what you mean't to say is: It
  was me who 
  posted it - gullible fool
  
  Secondly in response to your request:
  Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
  Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das tag
  anderer die 
  interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum Irlande,
  und bin das 
  spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos kalpenfunken.
  
  OffWorld
  
  
  Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after his
Initiation in 
that
 pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
  sounded
mutch wors.
 
 I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to
know !!!

   --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend,
  but I
DO ask
you to wonder why
 they bother talking about it to you?
  Is it
the
thrill of revealing
 they slept with a celebrity? Or is it
bitterness
and remorse? Or what?
 
 Do your female friends normally talk
  about
people
they slept with
 decades ago?

Actually, they're quite private, even
secretive.
Maharishi isn't people.
   
   When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came
  out
of my
   first meditation, I think he made a pass
  at
me. There
   was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it
  must
have
   been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
  
  No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a
website to promote 
this 
  cause. The world needs to know about Rick
  and
his 'spiritual 
incest'.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 You are absolutly right !!! 
 
 Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after
  his
Initiation in 
that
 pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
  sounded
mutch wors.
 
 I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world needs to
know !!!
 
 Mr. Satva

What's wrong with this guy's spelling?






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 Not where I come from.

Vermont? If so, we come from the same place. 

--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
   First of all I think what you mean't to say is:
 It
   was me who 
   posted it - gullible fool
  
  Nope, it wasn't me.
  
  By the way, you misspelled meant.
 
 Not where I come from.
 
 
 
 
  
  --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible
 fool
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   

 What's wrong with this guy's spelling?

Write the exact same thing he just said in
 German
   and
we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
   
   First of all I think what you mean't to say is:
 It
   was me who 
   posted it - gullible fool
   
   Secondly in response to your request:
   Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
   Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das tag
   anderer die 
   interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum
 Irlande,
   und bin das 
   spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos
 kalpenfunken.
   
   OffWorld
   
   
   Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after
 his
 Initiation in 
 that
  pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
   sounded
 mutch wors.
  
  I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
 needs to
 know !!!
 
--- off_world_beings
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mrsatva
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Peter 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  I wouldn't askyou to doubt a
 friend,
   but I
 DO ask
 you to wonder why
  they bother talking about it to
 you?
   Is it
 the
 thrill of revealing
  they slept with a celebrity? Or is
 it
 bitterness
 and remorse? Or what?
  
  Do your female friends normally
 talk
   about
 people
 they slept with
  decades ago?
 
 Actually, they're quite private,
 even
 secretive.
 Maharishi isn't people.

When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I
 came
   out
 of my
first meditation, I think he made a
 pass
   at
 me. There
was a flash of arms and a beard...no,
 it
   must
 have
been an LSD flashback. Never mind.
   
   No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am
 starting a
 website to promote 
 this 
   cause. The world needs to know about
 Rick
   and
 his 'spiritual 
 incest'.
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  You are absolutly right !!! 
  
  Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day
 after
   his
 Initiation in 
 that
  pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
   sounded
 mutch wors.
  
  I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
 needs to
 know !!!
  
  Mr. Satva
 
 What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
  Not where I come from.
 
 Vermont? If so, we come from the same place. 

Nah, I just live here. Where in Vermont are you from?

 
 --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   
First of all I think what you mean't to say is:
  It
was me who 
posted it - gullible fool
   
   Nope, it wasn't me.
   
   By the way, you misspelled meant.
  
  Not where I come from.
  
  
  
  
   
   --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible
  fool
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
  What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
 
 Write the exact same thing he just said in
  German
and
 we'll ask him to critique your spelling.

First of all I think what you mean't to say is:
  It
was me who 
posted it - gullible fool

Secondly in response to your request:
Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das tag
anderer die 
interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum
  Irlande,
und bin das 
spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos
  kalpenfunken.

OffWorld


Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day after
  his
  Initiation in 
  that
   pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
sounded
  mutch wors.
   
   I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
  needs to
  know !!!
  
 --- off_world_beings
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  mrsatva
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  Peter 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
   I wouldn't askyou to doubt a
  friend,
but I
  DO ask
  you to wonder why
   they bother talking about it to
  you?
Is it
  the
  thrill of revealing
   they slept with a celebrity? Or is
  it
  bitterness
  and remorse? Or what?
   
   Do your female friends normally
  talk
about
  people
  they slept with
   decades ago?
  
  Actually, they're quite private,
  even
  secretive.
  Maharishi isn't people.
 
 When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I
  came
out
  of my
 first meditation, I think he made a
  pass
at
  me. There
 was a flash of arms and a beard...no,
  it
must
  have
 been an LSD flashback. Never mind.

No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am
  starting a
  website to promote 
  this 
cause. The world needs to know about
  Rick
and
  his 'spiritual 
  incest'.

OffWorld
   
   
   You are absolutly right !!! 
   
   Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day
  after
his
  Initiation in 
  that
   pub in Ireland and at that time the storry
sounded
  mutch wors.
   
   I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
  needs to
  know !!!
   
   Mr. Satva
  
  What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
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   we're just noting its incredible irony
   because spiritual growth is usually equated with
   greater compassion and understanding
  
  Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities 
that
  are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each 
posting, a
  list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth.
 
 
 Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. 
 A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah.  Tom never
 used that term.  Also, Dr. Pete spoke of Tom's character.  
Character
 is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many
 things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote
 that which is persistent.  So Tom is forever doomed and damned 
because
 of his character.  Supposing.  Just suppose that Tom was using this
 forum to unstress.  That would be unusual in such a group where 
even
 something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something
 wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play Now
 I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch, wouldn't it?
 
 Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done:  used years 
of
 rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get 
through
 the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us 
could
 possibly imagine?  Suppose that he's telling the truth.  That he 
and
 Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. 
 Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows 
him
 to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling
 bad.  Dr. Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people.  
But
 Dr. Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character.  He is
 forever doomed to be a sonofabitch.  Tom can't be cured.  Tom is
 beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, 
because
 though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more,
 that's not something available to Tom.  Because of Tom's character.
 
 But wait.  Tom isn't just a sonofabitch.  He's a classic seeker. 
 He'll never find.  He'll never progress.  He'll never get 
anywhere. 
 Because he's a classic seeker.  Did Amma just drop in on you one 
day
 and that's why you now follow her?  Oh.  But that's not seeking, 
is it?
 
 Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan
 Brotherhood.  It's bad to be a racist.  You put someone in a 
category
 that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from.  
Being
 a racist is bad.  Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping 
derision
 upon them on the other hand, is good.  Right?


You reveal far more about yourself through this anonymous post, 
than you do about Pete. Ironic, isn't it?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed


I live in the Boston area now, but I was born in
Burlington, at the UVM hospital. My mother grew up in
Waterbury and I lived the first two weeks of my life
there and spent lots of vacation time there growing
up. 

--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
   Not where I come from.
  
  Vermont? If so, we come from the same place. 
 
 Nah, I just live here. Where in Vermont are you
 from?
 
  
  --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible
 fool
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   

 First of all I think what you mean't to say
 is:
   It
 was me who 
 posted it - gullible fool

Nope, it wasn't me.

By the way, you misspelled meant.
   
   Not where I come from.
   
   
   
   

--- off_world_beings
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 gullible
   fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
   What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
  
  Write the exact same thing he just said in
   German
 and
  we'll ask him to critique your spelling.
 
 First of all I think what you mean't to say
 is:
   It
 was me who 
 posted it - gullible fool
 
 Secondly in response to your request:
 Du sind richt verinkommen!!!
 Specialdzig bin Ich bergonnen Herr Pfetr das
 tag
 anderer die 
 interdructukennforchen ins das bierhaus zum
   Irlande,
 und bin das 
 spiel der folkensaggen versunden vos
   kalpenfunken.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 Especily because I med Dr. Peter the day
 after
   his
   Initiation in 
   that
pub in Ireland and at that time the
 storry
 sounded
   mutch wors.

I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
   needs to
   know !!!
   
  --- off_world_beings
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
   mrsatva
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
   off_world_beings 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
   Peter 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

I wouldn't askyou to doubt a
   friend,
 but I
   DO ask
   you to wonder why
they bother talking about it
 to
   you?
 Is it
   the
   thrill of revealing
they slept with a celebrity?
 Or is
   it
   bitterness
   and remorse? Or what?

Do your female friends
 normally
   talk
 about
   people
   they slept with
decades ago?
   
   Actually, they're quite private,
   even
   secretive.
   Maharishi isn't people.
  
  When Rick initiated me in 1972, as
 I
   came
 out
   of my
  first meditation, I think he made
 a
   pass
 at
   me. There
  was a flash of arms and a
 beard...no,
   it
 must
   have
  been an LSD flashback. Never
 mind.
 
 No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am
   starting a
   website to promote 
   this 
 cause. The world needs to know about
   Rick
 and
   his 'spiritual 
   incest'.
 
 OffWorld


You are absolutly right !!! 

Especily because I med Dr. Peter the
 day
   after
 his
   Initiation in 
   that
pub in Ireland and at that time the
 storry
 sounded
   mutch wors.

I´ll gone send you a coppy. The world
   needs to
   know !!!

Mr. Satva
   
   What's wrong with this guy's spelling?
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins
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 It was my experience that he was dealing with deeply routed issues and
 was searching for answers.  I'm no guru so I don't provide answers to
 people nor do I tell them what to do.  

So did he find his guru?  He didn't mention a new guru.  This YBC
group he's joined appears to work off a website and via email.  Some
people have exchanged emails with a lady called Caroline who appears
to be the liason.  From what I can tell, this YBC is totally opt in. 
So what answers could they be providing that you couldn't?  I hear
that you're very accessible by telephone.  Is it possible that you
encouraged his seeking answers?  Can you say co-dependency?

I think that yagyas are a
 useful tool to accelerate one's evolution and are a great supplemtn to
 TM.  

The YBC people appear to feel the same way.  They offer a yagya For
spirtual progress towards getting Enlightnment, to know about self
(Atma),  getting life purpose and washout the past negative karma.  It
contains many special yagyas like Special Rudravishek + Aditya Hridaya
Yagna + vishnu Mahayagna + Durga Saptasati/Chandi Maha Yagna + Hanuman
Yagna + Lord Ganeanpati Yagna.  Class A $10,000 12,400 Pundits/hours,
Class B $5,000 5625 Pundits/hours and Class C 2100 Pundits/hours.  It
sounds like it could do even the one time Beach Boy Charlie Manson
some good.  The description doesn't go on to say that it is not meant
for someone with Tom's character. 

 I always thought Tom was spending more than was sensible, but
 that's what he wanted to do.  It doesn't surprise me that he
 eventually got all pissed off and went someplace else.  Frankly I was
 relieved. 


Why did it not surprise you that eventually Tom got all pissed off and
went someplace else?  I'll bet both of you saw the yagyas weren't
working, right?  But you couldn't tell him they weren't working for
him and because of his character they weren't ever going to work.  Can
you say passive-aggressive?


So you're just an order taker then?  You don't advise against spending
too much money?  I've heard from many that you give readings and
recommend yagyas.  Did Tom threaten you or otherwise force you to
accept his money and perform his yagyas?  Didn't you feel a little
guilty taking money from someone for whom you knew the yagyas wouldn't
work?  
 
 If these yagyas work for him great.  But it is my opinion that yagyas,
 meditation and any spiritual practice only take you so far and then
 issues of character must be addressed before further progress is
 possible.  Tom's character issues have been amply demonstrated in this
 forum, just do a search.

So how does one address issues of character?  I looked in the phone
book and didn't see characterologists listed.  Are we getting issues
of character mixed up with feelings of hurt from being attacked?

That's funny.  I remember reading on your website that yagyas work for
people who don't even know the yagyas are being done for them.  Being
a pain in the ass make yagyas not work?

Didn't you feel it would have been wise to tell Tom that your
particular yagyas don't work for people with Tom's character?  

Why did Tom's character become a problem to you and your gods only
after he stopped doing yagyas with you and one of your major cash cows
stopped giving milk?  Losing his sponsorship all of a sudden must have
set back your cash flow a bit.  I've heard that you got very upset
when Tom stopped sponsoring at high levels because he had promised to
sponsor at high levels for a long period of time.  He stopped after
one year which appeared to him to be a long time.  But Tom wasn't the
only other major sponsor who dropped out at about the same time.  Tom
was perhaps the last straw?

What sets your yagya apart from those of others?  Tom seems very happy
and has reported some very positive things with the yagyas he's doing
now.  Could it be that YBC is right and if certain transits aren't
first appeased, the other yagyas won't work?  Could that explain why
your yagyas are hit and miss?

Incidently, what is Tom's character?  Is it out of favor with the
gods? Do the gods favor people of only a certain character?  I thought
they burned off karma.  The YBC site is very big on something they
call a turning point.  They define it as a time when transits have
been appeased and karma has been suspended sufficiently to gain
Support of Nature and remediation of one's life and lot in life.  They
don't mention character nor give a personality test first.  Or do they?

If you were so relieved when Tom stopped doing yagyas, why did you
accept his money and perform his yagyas?  I'm completely confused. 
You felt ill at ease.  You felt he was spending too much money.  Your
yagyas don't work for someone of Tom's character.  Yet you took his
money and performed the yagyas for him.  Didn't you feel any cognitive
dissonance?  Do you do TM?  Do you have a conscience?  Do the yagya
work for you?  

 
 As one who

[FairfieldLife] Dark night of the soul described

2005-12-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis

Ultrarishi writes:(Snipped)
Codependents and Adult Children of Alcoholics, and the like, are very 
common on the elightenment circuit and embrace consciousness raising 
practices wholeheartedly.  However, unlike more healthy people, 
meditation and the like, become short cuts to dealing with are own 
pain and issues.  We know we want to evolve, but we don't know who we 
are.  Because of the abuse we've experience in growing up we are in 
denial about the desires and emotions we think we want to transcend.

Tom T:
Those in the movement get really good at step 11. Sought through
prayer and meditation to etc,
The basic pproblem is that ultimately you have to do all 12 steps. You
can not transcend away all that stuff we have inside. If you don't do
it then it gets done.
Step 1 I am not in control of you fill in the word blank. If you tilt
that about 90 degrees you end up with I am not the doer. One can
suddenly discover they are not the doer and they never had the I they
thought they did. Very disconcerting to stumble on to that baby.
Bottom line, own your stuff take it back into the wholeness you
already are and discover joy and freedom. Tom T







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post
 comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then
 talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit
 humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great
 experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your
 character, we're just noting its incredible irony
 because spiritual growth is usually equated with
 greater compassion and understanding which your
 previous posts did not demonstrate. 
 -Peter

Is this Tom guy what one you referred to as your nigah?  You're not a
psycholoist, are you?  You didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express
last night as you wouldn't be putting the mark of Cain on someone's
forehead.  A psychologist has hope, nay, an intention that their
patients get better.  The believe people can get better.  No, you
can't be a clinical physchologist.  You're an experimental
psychologist at FAU.  You write for the worm runners digest.  But
definitely you're not a clinical psychologist. 





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