[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, And the first time was when? When you sold out to a paranoid fantasies in public and got embarrased when it wasn't true. Oh, such a sad time for the blows against the empire crowd. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... Ah your true colors come out. Do your sick aggression fantsies involve a horse sacrafice? Its all so vedic. Are you the queen who the horse fucks repeatedly? Undoubtedly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Barry, you are sooo special, you are so unique. You are so magnifique. You are so much better than those dumb americans. You are, dare I say, now FRENCH. C'est increable. You are undoubtable French Brahman. So much superior to American BraHMAN. Whch is so superior to Iowan Brahman. You are are so so special. OMG C'est increaable that I actually am communicating with the enlightened Barry. I heard you were /are the SIMS washington state coordinator. That is like GOD. Amd you knew Rama. Who ALL in the modern spiritual community upholds and adores as pure purity. Like Sai Baba. You are so special. So unique. Not anything like the the scum on FFL who dis you. OH BARRY, YOU ARE THE ENLIGHTENEDV ONE -- THE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ONE. LETS kill all those who dis you and don't bow to your glory. As I said (rather perceptively, it turns out): P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) We'll be waiting for the other 10 or 11 posts today, as you attempt to take out your own frustration at having been stupid (again) on the person who pointed it out. You really ARE pretty much the prototypical American, especially in your last sentence above. It seems that the only thing Americans can think of to do with those who don't agree with them is kill them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. That is, it's not so much about the answer being 'hidden' from you or difficult to find as it about your inability or unwillingness to think. Here's a short course in how to find out such information: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. Think to yourself, self, this might just be the 'page one' of the magazine itself. Further think to yourself, self, I wonder whether maybe the title of the magazine might appear somewhere on the first page? 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' Think to yourself, gee self, I wonder what *that* is. 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of your magazine, would you put the *name* of the magazine in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, think to yourself, self, could the word in big print surrounded by a red background possibly be the name of the magazine? 6. Try following up on this idea by entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 7. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly involve rocket science) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
And the point of knowledge you are bringing out is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] \wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Barry, you are sooo special, you are so unique. You are so magnifique. You are so much better than those dumb americans. You are, dare I say, now FRENCH. C'est increable. You are undoubtable French Brahman. So much superior to American BraHMAN. Whch is so superior to Iowan Brahman. You are are so so special. OMG C'est increaable that I actually am communicating with the enlightened Barry. I heard you were /are the SIMS washington state coordinator. That is like GOD. Amd you knew Rama. Who ALL in the modern spiritual community upholds and adores as pure purity. Like Sai Baba. You are so special. So unique. Not anything like the the scum on FFL who dis you. OH BARRY, YOU ARE THE ENLIGHTENEDV ONE -- THE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ONE. LETS kill all those who dis you and don't bow to your glory. As I said (rather perceptively, it turns out): P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) We'll be waiting for the other 10 or 11 posts today, as you attempt to take out your own frustration at having been stupid (again) on the person who pointed it out. You really ARE pretty much the prototypical American, especially in your last sentence above. It seems that the only thing Americans can think of to do with those who don't agree with them is kill them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. That is, it's not so much about the answer being 'hidden' from you or difficult to find as it about your inability or unwillingness to think. Here's a short course in how to find out such information: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. Think to yourself, self, this might just be the 'page one' of the magazine itself. Further think to yourself, self, I wonder whether maybe the title of the magazine might appear somewhere on the first page? 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' Think to yourself, gee self, I wonder what *that* is. 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of your magazine, would you put the *name* of the magazine in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, think to yourself, self, could the word in big print surrounded by a red background possibly be the name of the magazine? 6. Try following up on this idea by entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 7. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly involve rocket science) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Barry, you are sooo special, you are so unique. You are so magnifique. You are so much better than those dumb americans. You are, dare I say, now FRENCH. C'est increable. You are undoubtable French Brahman. So much superior to American BraHMAN. Whch is so superior to Iowan Brahman. You are are so so special. OMG C'est increaable that I actually am communicating with the enlightened Barry. I heard you were /are the SIMS washington state coordinator. That is like GOD. Amd you knew Rama. Who ALL in the modern spiritual community upholds and adores as pure purity. Like Sai Baba. You are so special. So unique. Not anything like the the scum on FFL who dis you. OH BARRY, YOU ARE THE ENLIGHTENEDV ONE -- THE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ONE. LETS kill all those who dis you and don't bow to your glory. As I said (rather perceptively, it turns out): P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) We'll be waiting for the other 10 or 11 posts today, as you attempt to take out your own frustration at having been stupid (again) on the person who pointed it out. hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahahahha Lets see. Was that the person who pointed out that a non-exiting article in the NYtimes on 1/28 about a non-existing law passed on 1/25 that non-exsistantly banned blog and forum annoyance posts and incorrectly predicted law breakers would soon be prosecuted? Oh my Barry. You are quite the SEER. Quite the Saint. And oh so special. Wow you are a prophet Barry. So Smart. Wow. What a guy. Half man, half wit. You really ARE pretty much the prototypical American, Oh and you are s special being s french now. We are all so envious of your clearly superior frenchness. especially in your last sentence above. It seems that the only thing Americans can think of to do with those who don't agree with them is kill them. I thought thats what you sought. From your words.And pent up hatred. You seemed to want to rid the earth of such stupid people -- those american! Kind of like an ex-smoker -- so enraged against smokers. I am more into into love and acceptance, And therapy for drugged out oldies like you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Of course, people change their minds, and actually, the Ayurvedic recommendations are flexable enough that you STILL have to make up your mind about what to eat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? How did the larger spiritual community view Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc while they were still alive, or within a few years of their deaths? http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? It changes by a few degrees over time. The 1 degree per 72 years sounds off. Perhaps 1 second of arc per 72 years? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The postions are mutually exclusive. This is not a Paradox of Brahman. Both statements cannot be true -- even if some psuedo-enlightened want to suggest that anyone who can't hold both as blissfully true will never be enlightened. :) http://snipurl.com/m1z8 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the point of knowledge you are bringing out is? Knowledge is structured in consciousness, and your consciousness lately seems to be all about resenting anyone who's had spiritual experiences you've never had. Which is pretty sad in a way, because resentment of the people who have had these experiences and acting out that resentment by spending so much time trashing them is a sure-fire way to insure that you *never* have such experiences yourself. Karma, and all that. Is that knowledgeable enough for you? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? It changes by a few degrees over time. The 1 degree per 72 years sounds off. Perhaps 1 second of arc per 72 years? One precession cycle takes approximately 27,000 years. So around 13,000 years gives the full range of the arc which is 23-24 degrees. What does that compute to per year? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? It changes by a few degrees over time. The 1 degree per 72 years sounds off. Perhaps 1 second of arc per 72 years? One precession cycle takes approximately 27,000 years. So around 13,000 years gives the full range of the arc which is 23-24 degrees. What does that compute to per year? Hmmm 360 x 72 = 25920 yrs? A large pen on the North Pole draws a full circle. http://www.crystalinks.com/precession.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
As the author of an early software app which calculated a number of obscure astro. variables for observers, Dr. Pete's observation are close for an observer on earth--approx. 1 degree every 72 years. As you probably know, western astrologers stopped including precession in their horoscopes long before the first millenium CE, thus they depart from real accuracy in a number of ways since that era.Interestingly when I purchased a slew of texts from the library of a Sanskrit scholar who passed away in the 80's, among the works I got was the Surya Siddhanta, an old Hindu astronomical text. Apparently the Indian astronomers had a very old understanding of precession as this text included the formulae for these calcs.On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? It changes by a few degrees over time. The 1 degree per 72 years sounds off. Perhaps 1 second of arc per 72 years? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
Here's the text from the article (found att archive search 'Maharishi' at http://www.illustre.ch): © L'Illustré; 21.12.2005; numéro 51; page 36 Le reportage «La Suisse est désignée pour être le paradis sur Terre» La folle utopie du rajah Felix Kaegi Couronnés d'or, ils se déplacent en Cadillac de palace en palace dans le but proclamé de faire de la Suisse un havre de paix. Quel sens donner à l'opération troublante lancée à Genève par les émissaires de Maharishi, le père de la méditation transcendantale? Enquête. Texte: Françoise Boulianne Photos: Claude Gluntz Quand le sage montre la lune, le fou regarde le doigt, dit le proverbe. Parfait. Mais qui est le sage et qui est le fou, dans cette affaire? Les militants de Mai 68 voulaient raser les Alpes pour voir la mer. Trente-sept ans plus tard, les émissaires de Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, autrefois gourou des Beatles, veulent raser Genève pour voir la paix, le bonheur, la prospérité. Faut-il rire de leurs couronnes, de leurs limousines et des palaces qu'ils affectionnent? Ou alors faut-il prêter attention à leur message provocateur, somme toute alléchant en cette période de crise majuscule, d'autant qu'il est porté par des millions d'adeptes fidèles de la méditation transcendantale (MT), à commencer par David Lynch ou Clint Eastwood? Dans le doute, nous avons emboîté le pas à ces drôles de rajahs aux joues roses venus de Zurich, de Londres et de New York prêcher la bonne parole en Suisse romande. Acte I, 14 décembre, au Lausanne Palace Rendez-vous avec Felix Kaegi, rajah de Suisse. Première surprise: sa majesté a de l'humour. Interrogé sur sa couronne, qu'il arbore avec la timidité d'une championne de décathlon se glissant pour la première fois dans une robe du soir, il admet volontiers qu'elle n'est pas très confortable et qu'il l'enlève pour dormir. Cet homme au destin surprenant explique qu'il est né à Saint-Gall en 1954, l'année où Françoise Sagan publiait Bonjour tristesse et Boris Vian chantait Le déserteur. Fils d'un photographe, qui a établi plus tard sa boutique à Stäfa, sur les rives du lac de Zurich, il a eu son premier flash à 14 ans, en feuilletant le magazine Salut les copains. «Les Beatles posaient avec leur gourou indien, dit-il. En quête de valeurs que je ne trouvais pas dans mon village, j'ai punaisé la photo sur le mur de ma chambre. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi est devenu le symbole de ce que je cherchais.» De fil en aiguille, Felix entre en contact avec le fondateur de la MT. Son apprentissage de chimiste terminé, il jette aux orties son diplôme et les aspirations étriquées de son milieu pour aller suivre l'enseignement de son maître. Trente ans plus tard, le voici rajah de Suisse, fraîchement formé à son rôle de roi - en Hollande, où vit Maharishi -, en compagnie de 21 autres rajahs de différentes régions du monde. Il est flanqué d'une ravissante épouse, Mona, nommée mère du domaine du rajah de Suisse. Fille de riches adeptes de la MT, d'abord formée comme styliste, elle est devenue professeur de méditation et naturopathe à Zurich. Fier de ses succès, son mari précise qu'en six ans, elle a initié plus de 1000 nouveaux pratiquants. Aussi chaleureux que soucieux de bien faire, tous deux expliquent longuement leur projet, ce qui allume plein de petites étoiles dans leurs yeux candides. «Reconstruire Genève en respect avec les lois de la nature apportera à cette cité la paix, le bonheur et la prospérité, ce qui permettra de montrer la voie au monde», disent-ils en résumé. «Nous devons tout faire pour prévenir une prochaine guerre, précise Felix Kaegi, qui médite huit heures par jour pour stimuler les forces nécessaires à sa mission. Grâce à ses traditions de paix et de liberté, la Suisse est naturellement désignée pour devenir le paradis sur Terre. Ce qui lui manque, c'est de comprendre les bienfaits de la méditation, qui dissout notamment les peurs et les conflits, ainsi que les principes de la science védique, mère de toutes les connaissances.» Est-ce au nom de ces principes qu'il s'est établi au Lausanne Palace et roule en limousine? «Notez que je n'ai ni yacht ni avion privé à vous montrer, sourit-il encore. L'argent n'est pas sale en soi, le pouvoir et le confort non plus. Ce qui compte, c'est comment on l'obtient et ce qu'on en fait. Un roi doit assumer un rôle parental, et s'assurer que personne ne souffre dans son royaume. Pour cela, il lui faut de l'argent dans sa trésorerie.» Acte II, 15 décembre, hôtel Président Wilson, Genève Les rajahs ont fastueusement lancé leur conférence «Reconstruire Genève en ville créatrice d'une destinée heureuse» au moyen de pleines pages d'annonces publiées dans la presse locale. Mais ils n'ont séduit qu'une vingtaine de curieux, qui les attendent dans le salon Neptune du palace où ils débarquent, sans tridents mais couronnes au front. Documentation luxueuse, traduction simultanée - tous les orateurs s'expriment en anglais, certains par écran interposé -, jus d'orange et petits fours. Grand four aussi. Au
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the point of knowledge you are bringing out is? He's demonstrating the trait of being happy with one's assholiness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] \wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Barry, you are sooo special, you are so unique. You are so magnifique. You are so much better than those dumb americans. You are, dare I say, now FRENCH. C'est increable. You are undoubtable French Brahman. So much superior to American BraHMAN. Whch is so superior to Iowan Brahman. You are are so so special. OMG C'est increaable that I actually am communicating with the enlightened Barry. I heard you were /are the SIMS washington state coordinator. That is like GOD. Amd you knew Rama. Who ALL in the modern spiritual community upholds and adores as pure purity. Like Sai Baba. You are so special. So unique. Not anything like the the scum on FFL who dis you. OH BARRY, YOU ARE THE ENLIGHTENEDV ONE -- THE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ONE. LETS kill all those who dis you and don't bow to your glory. As I said (rather perceptively, it turns out): P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being stupid in public again, you have an excuse to post a dozen more times trashing me up one side and down the other. Again, I guess that's what dumbed-down Americans do for fun. If I were a country, you'd probably invade... :-) :-) :-) We'll be waiting for the other 10 or 11 posts today, as you attempt to take out your own frustration at having been stupid (again) on the person who pointed it out. You really ARE pretty much the prototypical American, especially in your last sentence above. It seems that the only thing Americans can think of to do with those who don't agree with them is kill them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about rajas from a French magazine: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/6a36 Which magazine? Does not appear to be Paris Match. I suspect your inability to find the title is related to your inability to find the law that Michael posted about yesterday. That is, it's not so much about the answer being 'hidden' from you or difficult to find as it about your inability or unwillingness to think. Here's a short course in how to find out such information: 1. Click on the scan titled 'Page One.' 2. When it opens, notice that it looks a lot like every other 'page one' in the printing business, with a list of articles contained in this issue, and a few photos associated with those articles. Think to yourself, self, this might just be the 'page one' of the magazine itself. Further think to yourself, self, I wonder whether maybe the title of the magazine might appear somewhere on the first page? 3. Note the red box containing type in a much larger font than the rest of the page. Note that it says 'L'illustré.' Think to yourself, gee self, I wonder what *that* is. 4. Now imagine that you were the publisher of a magazine. If you were designing the first page of your magazine, would you put the *name* of the magazine in the same font as all of the other text, or might you want to make it a little larger, so that that people might notice it? Might you even wish to make it even more noticeable by surrounding it with a red background. 5. Using this logic, think to yourself, self, could the word in big print surrounded by a red background possibly be the name of the magazine? 6. Try following up on this idea by entering 'L'illustre' into Google. 7. Voilà. Goggle tells you that L'illustré is the name of a Swiss magazine, and even gives you a URL directly to the latest issue: http://www.illustre.ch/ :-) I mean, really. I knew that Americans were, on the whole, prettty dumbed-down, but this is embarrassing! Do you really believe that 'Paris Match' is the only magazine in France? Do you really believe that some- one *owes* it to you to do your thinking (which I hope I've shown above does not exactly involve rocket science) for you, and is obligated to find things out for you that would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find on your own? Pull your head out, dude. Unc P.S. You should be happy...now that I've blasted you for being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As you probably know, western astrologers stopped including precession in their horoscopes long before the first millenium CE, thus they depart from real accuracy in a number of ways since that era. In fact, it's a matter of what is held to be significant, a conceptual difference. See, for example: http://astrology.about.com/od/yourzodiacsign/l/aa053099.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the author of an early software app which calculated a number of obscure astro. variables for observers, Dr. Pete's observation are close for an observer on earth--approx. 1 degree every 72 years. As you probably know, western astrologers stopped including precession in their horoscopes long before the first millenium CE, thus they depart from real accuracy in a number of ways since that era. Interestingly when I purchased a slew of texts from the library of a Sanskrit scholar who passed away in the 80's, among the works I got was the Surya Siddhanta, an old Hindu astronomical text. Apparently the Indian astronomers had a very old understanding of precession as this text included the formulae for these calcs. Perhaps you can shed some light on the following: Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession (assuming it is still there (this is thought experiment -- useful for clarifying concepts.) And this thus makes SV quite releative to time, and makes invalid in the long run. Judy claims that the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years. I suggest that if Judy is correct, a building correctly facing the sun per SV now will be correctly facing the sun in 13000 years. If Judy is not correct, and Peter is, the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way. So who is right? Judy: the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years. Peter: the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way per SV. The postions are mutually exclusive. This is not a Paradox of Brahman. Both statements cannot be true -- even if some psuedo-enlightened want to suggest that anyone who can't hold both as blissfully true will never be enlightened. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
French to English translation available at:- Babel Fish Translation http://world.altavista.com/ Copy text - paste in box - select 'French to English' and ... If it doesn't work first go, try again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the text from the article (found att archive search 'Maharishi' at http://www.illustre.ch): © L'Illustré; 21.12.2005; numéro 51; page 36 Le reportage «La Suisse est désignée pour être le paradis sur Terre» La folle utopie du rajah Felix Kaegi Couronnés d'or, ils se déplacent en Cadillac de palace en palace dans le but proclamé de faire de la Suisse un havre de paix. Quel sens donner à l'opération troublante lancée à Genève par les émissaires de Maharishi, le père de la méditation transcendantale? Enquête. Texte: Françoise Boulianne Photos: Claude Gluntz Quand le sage montre la lune, le fou regarde le doigt, dit le proverbe. Parfait. Mais qui est le sage et qui est le fou, dans cette affaire? Les militants de Mai 68 voulaient raser les Alpes pour voir la mer. Trente-sept ans plus tard, les émissaires de Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, autrefois gourou des Beatles, veulent raser Genève pour voir la paix, le bonheur, la prospérité. Faut-il rire de leurs couronnes, de leurs limousines et des palaces qu'ils affectionnent? Ou alors faut- il prêter attention à leur message provocateur, somme toute alléchant en cette période de crise majuscule, d'autant qu'il est porté par des millions d'adeptes fidèles de la méditation transcendantale (MT), à commencer par David Lynch ou Clint Eastwood? Dans le doute, nous avons emboîté le pas à ces drôles de rajahs aux joues roses venus de Zurich, de Londres et de New York prêcher la bonne parole en Suisse romande. Acte I, 14 décembre, au Lausanne Palace Rendez-vous avec Felix Kaegi, rajah de Suisse. Première surprise: sa majesté a de l'humour. Interrogé sur sa couronne, qu'il arbore avec la timidité d'une championne de décathlon se glissant pour la première fois dans une robe du soir, il admet volontiers qu'elle n'est pas très confortable et qu'il l'enlève pour dormir. Cet homme au destin surprenant explique qu'il est né à Saint-Gall en 1954, l'année où Françoise Sagan publiait Bonjour tristesse et Boris Vian chantait Le déserteur. Fils d'un photographe, qui a établi plus tard sa boutique à Stäfa, sur les rives du lac de Zurich, il a eu son premier flash à 14 ans, en feuilletant le magazine Salut les copains. «Les Beatles posaient avec leur gourou indien, dit-il. En quête de valeurs que je ne trouvais pas dans mon village, j'ai punaisé la photo sur le mur de ma chambre. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi est devenu le symbole de ce que je cherchais.» De fil en aiguille, Felix entre en contact avec le fondateur de la MT. Son apprentissage de chimiste terminé, il jette aux orties son diplôme et les aspirations étriquées de son milieu pour aller suivre l'enseignement de son maître. Trente ans plus tard, le voici rajah de Suisse, fraîchement formé à son rôle de roi - en Hollande, où vit Maharishi -, en compagnie de 21 autres rajahs de différentes régions du monde. Il est flanqué d'une ravissante épouse, Mona, nommée mère du domaine du rajah de Suisse. Fille de riches adeptes de la MT, d'abord formée comme styliste, elle est devenue professeur de méditation et naturopathe à Zurich. Fier de ses succès, son mari précise qu'en six ans, elle a initié plus de 1000 nouveaux pratiquants. Aussi chaleureux que soucieux de bien faire, tous deux expliquent longuement leur projet, ce qui allume plein de petites étoiles dans leurs yeux candides. «Reconstruire Genève en respect avec les lois de la nature apportera à cette cité la paix, le bonheur et la prospérité, ce qui permettra de montrer la voie au monde», disent-ils en résumé. «Nous devons tout faire pour prévenir une prochaine guerre, précise Felix Kaegi, qui médite huit heures par jour pour stimuler les forces nécessaires à sa mission. Grâce à ses traditions de paix et de liberté, la Suisse est naturellement désignée pour devenir le paradis sur Terre. Ce qui lui manque, c'est de comprendre les bienfaits de la méditation, qui dissout notamment les peurs et les conflits, ainsi que les principes de la science védique, mère de toutes les connaissances.» Est-ce au nom de ces principes qu'il s'est établi au Lausanne Palace et roule en limousine? «Notez que je n'ai ni yacht ni avion privé à vous montrer, sourit-il encore. L'argent n'est pas sale en soi, le pouvoir et le confort non plus. Ce qui compte, c'est comment on l'obtient et ce qu'on en fait. Un roi doit assumer un rôle parental, et s'assurer que personne ne souffre dans son royaume. Pour cela, il lui faut de l'argent dans sa trésorerie.» Acte II, 15 décembre, hôtel Président Wilson, Genève Les rajahs ont fastueusement lancé leur conférence «Reconstruire Genève en ville créatrice d'une destinée heureuse» au moyen de pleines
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
The Precession of the axis, refers to the change in the Tilt of the axis. The axis itself does not change. The Tilt of the axis changes because the Earth Wobbles in it's rotation. It cannot change the direction on the ground. I think Doc_Gabby and Sri. Stein are correct. doctor_gabby_savy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:37:12 - Perhaps you can shed some light on the following:Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildingsover long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facingdue west in 13,000 years due to precession (assuming it is stillthere (this is "thought" experiment -- useful for clarifyingconcepts.) And this thus makes SV quite releative to time, and makesinvalid in the long run.Judy claims that the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years.I suggest that if Judy is correct, a building correctly facing thesun per SV now will be correctly facing the sun in 13000 years.If Judy is not correct, and Peter is, the sun will be rising from thewest in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way.So who is right?Judy: the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years.Peter: the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the buildingwill be facing the wrong way per SV.The postions are mutually exclusive. This is not a "Paradox ofBrahman". Both statements cannot be true -- even if somepsuedo-enlightened want to suggest that anyone who can't hold both as blissfully true will never be enlightened. :) Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
on 1/30/06 9:30 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the text from the article (found att archive search 'Maharishi' at http://www.illustre.ch): And here's a rough translation of it from Babelfish: In English: Here' S the text from the article (found att files search ' Maharishi' At http://www.illustre.ch): © the Magazine; 21.12.2005; number 51; page 36 the report Switzerland is indicated to be the paradise on Earth the insane Utopia of the rajah Felix Kaegi Couronnés of gold, they move in Cadillac of de luxe hotel in de luxe hotel with an aim proclaimed to make of Switzerland a haven of peace. Which direction to give to the disconcerting operation launched to Geneva by the emissary of Maharishi, the father of the meditation transcendantale? Inquire. Text: Francoise Boulianne Photographs: Claude Gluntz When the wise watch the moon, the insane one looks at the finger, known as the proverb. Perfect. But which is the wise one and which is the insane one, in this business? The militants of May 68 wanted to shave the Alps to see the sea thirty-seven years later, the emissary of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, formerly guru of Beatles, want to shave Geneva to see peace, happiness, prosperity. Is it necessary to laugh their crowns, their limousines and de luxe hotels which they affectionnent? Or then is it necessary to pay attention to their provocative message, altogether enticing in this period of capital crisis, the more so as it is carried by million faithful followers of the meditation transcendantale (MT), to start with David Lynch or Clint Eastwood? In the doubt, we encased the step with these funny rajahs with the pink cheeks from Zurich, from London and New York to preach the fine words in French-speaking Switzerland. Act I, December 14, to Lausanne Palace Go with Felix Kaegi, rajah de Suisse. First surprised: its majesty has humour. Questioned on its crown, which it raises with the timidity of a champion of decathlon slipping for the first time into an evening dress, it admits readily that it is not very comfortable and that it removes it to sleep. This man with the surprising destiny explains that it was born in Saint-Gall in 1954, the year when Francoise Sagan published Hello sadness and Boris Vian sang the deserter. Wire of a photographer, who established later his shop with Stäfa, on banks of Lake Zurich, it had its first flash at 14 years, by dividing into sheets the Salut magazine buddies. Beatles posed with their Indian guru, says it. In search of values which I did not find in my village, I punaisé the photograph on the wall of my room. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi became the symbol of what I sought. Of wire out of needle, Felix comes into contact with the founder of the MT. Its training of finished chemist, it throws to the nettles its diploma and the skimped aspirations of its medium to go to follow the teaching of its Master. Thirty years later, here the rajah de Suisse, coldly formed with its role of king - in Holland, where Maharishi saw -, in company of 21 other rajahs of various areas of the world. It is flanked of one charming wife, Mona, named mother of the field of the rajah de Suisse. Rich person girl followers of the MT, initially formed as designer, it became professor of meditation and naturopathe in Zurich. Proud of his successes, her husband specifies that in six years, it initiated more than 1000 new practise. As cordial as concerned to make well, both explain their project lengthily, which lights full of small stars in their ingenuous eyes. Reconstruire Geneva in respect with the natural laws will bring to this city peace, happiness and prosperity, which will make it possible to show the way in the world, says in short. We must do everything to prevent a forthcoming war, specifies Felix Kaegi, which contemplates eight hours per day to stimulate the forces necessary to its mission. Thanks to its traditions of peace and freedom, Switzerland is naturally indicated to become the paradise on Earth. What it misses, it is to include/understand the benefits of the meditation, which dissolves in particular the fears and the conflicts, as well as the principles of vedic science, mother of all knowledge. Is this in the name of these principles which it was established in Lausanne Palace and drives limousine? Note that I have neither yacht nor private aircraft to show you, it still smiles. The money is not dirty in oneself, the capacity and comfort either. What counts, it is how it is obtained and what one does. A king must assume a parental role, and make sure that nobody suffers in his kingdom. For that, it is necessary money in its treasury for him. Act II, December 15, hotel President Wilson, Geneva the rajahs sumptuously launched their conference Reconstruire Geneva creative downtown of a happy destiny by means of full pages of advertisements published in the local press. But they allured only one score of curious, which await them in the Neptune living room of the de luxe hotel
[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Mark Meredith!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East Since were talking about the precession of the equinoxes, Id like to recommend this wonderful book by Rob Cox: http://tinyurl.com/at3uj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Auspicious formation outside Maharishi's room
Title: Auspicious formation outside Maharishi's room From Keith Wallaces son: From: Gareth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:00:11 +0100 Today, Maharishi invited us and others upstairs to see natural made ice Shiva lingum that formed outside of Maharishis bedroom on ledge. It is a very auspicious omen, according to Maharishi. It was so sweet to go upstairs to Maharishis private area in the glass garden room and view the ice Shiva lingum. I went up a couple times with different groups. At night, Maharishis assistant and top secretary performed puja outside on the ledge in the freezing cold to the ice Shiva lingum. Maharishi was right outside the window looking while the puja was going on. At one point, I went outside and snuck a peek of Maharishi up close. Maharishi was sitting right by the window in front of ice Shiva lingum with eyes closed. It was very sweet. Love, Gareth To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] East is always east
Hi Rick, Could you post this on ffl? - I have noted the big correspondence on the matter of east. East is an earth-based direction and is always the same. The pole does wobble round to point at different parts of the sky, but the axis of rotation does not significantly change relative to the surface of the earth. That is why the pyramids in Egypt and Stonehenge in Britain are still perfectly aligned after over 4,500 years. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Thank you Judy. Yes it would go off and then come back cycling every 26,000 years. The maximum it could be off would be 24 degrees and the miniumum would be 12 degrees from one's original fixed east point. If the sun does rise in the west, we're all in big trouble! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Mark Meredith!
Häppy Birthday, Mârk MéredithBliss, Peace and Énlightenment to you. Rick Archer[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:15:07 -0600 Todays the day. Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Perhaps you can shed some light on the following: Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession I just went back and looked, and Peter did *not* claim a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years. That was your interpretation of what he wrote. As far as I can tell, he was saying what I told you, that there would be a 24-degree variance. That 24 degrees (at 13,000 years) is the *most* it varies from the starting point--and then over the next 13,000 years the variance decreases until it's 0 degrees at 26,000 years. And then the cycle begins again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Thank you Judy. Yes it would go off and then come back cycling every 26,000 years. The maximum it could be off would be 24 degrees and the miniumum would be 12 degrees from one's original fixed east point. If the sun does rise in the west, we're all in big trouble! Yupper. But the minimum would be *0 degrees* from the original point, not 12 degrees, when the axis returns to where it started. (I'm not sure if the maximum variance is 24 degrees or 12 degrees, though; my own mental model becomes fuzzy here!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you pulled your head out long enough to actually read some of the things printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a charlatan. Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger spiritual community evaluates them How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became Rama? How did the larger spiritual community view Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc while they were still alive, or within a few years of their deaths? Or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi while still alive. These people come and go, and sometimes they just love to cruzify a little... http://skepdic.com/rama.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/ With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual community that view Lenz favorably. Maybe Lup has such for Creme. How does the larger spiritual community view MMY? Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Perhaps you can shed some light on the following: Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession I just went back and looked, and Peter did *not* claim a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years. That was your interpretation of what he wrote. Yes, it was my mistaken extrapolation of what he said. I thought he was saying the orientation to the sun changed one degree every 72 years. And I just did the math 72* 180 =13000 years. As I now understand it , he would hold that the orientation changes 24 degrees every 13000 years. Or one degree every 541 years. My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. As far as I can tell, he was saying what I told you, that there would be a 24-degree variance. That 24 degrees (at 13,000 years) is the *most* it varies from the starting point--and then over the next 13,000 years the variance decreases until it's 0 degrees at 26,000 years. And then the cycle begins again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Impeachment of George Bush
Q: Any possibility that George Bush will be impeached ? Benjamin Creme: What does he have to do to get impeached, he has tried everything ? To read the january/february issue of Share International News, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I just went back and looked, and Peter did *not* claim a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years. That was your interpretation of what he wrote. Yes, it was my mistaken extrapolation of what he said. I thought he was saying the orientation to the sun changed one degree every 72 years. And I just did the math 72* 180 =13000 years. As I now understand it , he would hold that the orientation changes 24 degrees every 13000 years. Or one degree every 541 years. My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. Right, it would be. But whether that's the case or not goes beyond my limited understanding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
Try electing a Democratic Congress this November. Then we'll see how long the war criminal lasts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Any possibility that George Bush will be impeached ? Benjamin Creme: What does he have to do to get impeached, he has tried everything ? To read the january/february issue of Share International News, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper pronunciation of Buddha
Venture to say that anyone referring to him as Maharishi doesn't know what a Maharishi is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOO-DA-HAH And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is, of course, very highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and say it very quickly then you're probably an Avatar. It's like in the TM Movement: if you say MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of your local center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then you are, of course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to and beloved of MMY and you are highly evolved. There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie Lutes. Not only did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the son-of-a-gun threw in the article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as THE MA-HA-RI- SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could still go into any board room in America and slap the back of any stogie-totin' CEO and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going to go off and close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra. SSRS is in the lineage of Charlie. He calls MMY, the Maha rishi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:37 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:Perhaps you can shed some light on the following: Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession (assuming it is still there (this is "thought" experiment -- useful for clarifying concepts.) And this thus makes SV quite releative to time, and makes invalid in the long run. Judy claims that the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years. I suggest that if Judy is correct, a building correctly facing the sun per SV now will be correctly facing the sun in 13000 years.As long as the earth rotates in the direction it does it will continue to rise "relatively" east--but where on the horizon a particular celestial object rises at a specific time of year will change relative to the horizon. If Judy is not correct, and Peter is, the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way. So who is right? Judy: the sun will still rise in the east in 13000 years.Relatively speaking it will. Peter: the sun will be rising from the west in 13000, the building will be facing the wrong way per SV. The postions are mutually exclusive. This is not a "Paradox of Brahman". Both statements cannot be true -- even if some psuedo-enlightened want to suggest that anyone who can't hold both as blissfully true will never be enlightened. :) We should consider there are two different phenomenon we're talking about--one is the precession of the equinoxes, another is how setting and rising positions of the planets and fixed stars change over time.Depending on your latitude, where the sun rises or sets is different, and it is different at different seasons. Across time these change also due to precession. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. We're a confused group, aren't we! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Thank you Judy. Yes it would go off and then come back cycling every 26,000 years. The maximum it could be off would be 24 degrees and the miniumum would be 12 degrees from one's original fixed east point. If the sun does rise in the west, we're all in big trouble! Yupper. But the minimum would be *0 degrees* from the original point, not 12 degrees, when the axis returns to where it started. (I'm not sure if the maximum variance is 24 degrees or 12 degrees, though; my own mental model becomes fuzzy here!) Right, because it's a circle viewed on edge, so to speak, so we only see the sun's rising point moving south or north as the years pass.I think it's 24 ...which stars Keifer Sutherland and is on tonight and Jack will be taking care of business, again, tonight! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. feste37 wrote: Try electing a Democratic Congress this November. Then we'll see how long the war criminal lasts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Any possibility that George Bush will be impeached ? Benjamin Creme: What does he have to do to get impeached, he has tried everything ? To read the january/february issue of Share International News, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. No, it does not. You would be operating on a false assumption and that gross assumption is that since the earth's axis is currently about 23.5 degrees IIRC, that it goes back to the zero position! It does NOT do this. The wobble or nutation is only about 2.5 or 3 degrees--that is it wobble between about 22 degrees and 25 degrees (don't take that as exact, I'm going on memory here).For example I've been at archaeoastronomical sites, of which there are quite a few in New England, which all date from about 10,000 years ago--after the last ice age. The precessional change was only about 2 degrees IIRC. It was not a large number. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. Thanks- I saw the tv ticker line about Sheehan possibly running, though I hadn't heard it was against Feinstein. Feinstein is smart and experienced, but addicted to power. When she declared that she had received 40,000 emails and letters asking her to vote against this Iraq debacle several years ago, and then voted for it, becuase she had *special* information, my respect for her went away, and it hasn't returned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Here's my 2 cents... East and West are determined by the spin of the earth, not by the relationship of the earth and sun or stars. The earth spins about the axis defined by the poles, and that doesn't change - the north pole is always at the same place in the arctic, and the south pole is always at the same place in the antarctic. So long as the earth spins about that axis, the sun will always rise in the east, but at a varying latitude as Vaj said. That higher or lower latitude will change the length of the day, but it won't change which way is east. If you use Vaj's stick and circle method for finding which way is east, the latitude of the sun will determine the times at which the shadow crosses the line, and the angle from the stick to the crossing points, but when you join the points, the line will always be parallel to the spin of the earth. The magnetic poles are another matter entirely. They are close to the earths spin axis, but constantly slowly moving around, which is why magnetic north, for most of us, is not the same as true north. Then occasionally at random times, typically hundreds of thousands of years apart, the magnetic poles switch over between the arctic and antarctic. If you look at a compass after that happens it will indicate that *magnetic* north is in the antarctic, so based on that the sun will rise in the west, but that's only by the compass, and in fact the sun will continue to rise in the same direction it always has. So you can build your east facing house, and it will stay facing east. Scorpianon - facing east and still not enlightened Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhagwan_goose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly. As you may have seen in my original post back to peter (to which you responded) if procession does not imply the sun rising from different directions, for example from the west 13,000 yrsr agos (half a precessional cycle), then why and how does it make SV invalid in the long run -- as Peter has argued. I don't think your mental model is quite right, Not the first time its been off. :) Gee thanks. :) But its certainly true. but I'm not sure exactly how it's off, so I don't know how to help you correct it. Do you therefore feel Peter's model is correct? If so, can you explain why? Precession is clearly real. The issue is does it effect the sun's directional relationship to buildings over long spans of time. It does not appear to. So why does precession invalidate SV as Peter argued? It changes by a few degrees over time. The 1 degree per 72 years sounds off. Perhaps 1 second of arc per 72 years? One precession cycle takes approximately 27,000 years. So around 13,000 years gives the full range of the arc which is 23-24 degrees. What does that compute to per year? call it 27 degrees. 27/27,000 = 1/1000 of a degree per year. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. No, it does not. You would be operating on a false assumption and that gross assumption is that since the earth's axis is currently about 23.5 degrees IIRC, that it goes back to the zero position! Actually, I was not making that assumption. But I was making a different false assumption based on my trying to piece things together from different posts. I finally did some reading. I think I got now. And can demonstrate with two pencils how the equinox rotates around the full 360 degrees of the zodiac, over 26000 years and how the angle of the earth's axis relative to the sun is shifts slightly, a few degrees as you say during the precesson, but remains about 23.5 degrees +- 2-3 degrees depending on where it is in the precesson cycle. Thus the earths access does change slightly in relaationship to the sun, maybe 2 degrees max in 13000 years. But 2 degrees are within the range of tolerance of SV (I believe). And the shift for a 1000 yr old building will be less than .2 degrees. So Peter is right, there is a shift. He is wrong in the magnitude -- its way too small to matter. No need to rebuild your 1000 year old SV dynastal mansion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Auspicious formation outside Maharishi's room
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Keith Wallace¹s son: From: Gareth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:00:11 +0100 Today, Maharishi invited us and others upstairs to see natural made ice Shiva lingum that formed outside of Maharishi¹s bedroom on ledge. It is a very auspicious omen, according to Maharishi. It was so sweet to go upstairs to Maharishi¹s private area in the glass garden room and view the ice Shiva lingum. I went up a couple times with different groups. At night, Maharishi¹s assistant and top secretary performed puja outside on the ledge in the freezing cold to the ice Shiva lingum. Maharishi was right outside the window looking while the puja was going on. At one point, I went outside and snuck a peek of Maharishi up close. Maharishi was sitting right by the window in front of ice Shiva lingum with eyes closed. It was very sweet. Love, Gareth Finally a good story! No, a GREAT story! LURK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Here's my 2 cents... East and West are determined by the spin of the earth, not by the relationship of the earth and sun or stars. The earth spins about the axis defined by the poles, and that doesn't change - the north pole is always at the same place in the arctic, and the south pole is always at the same place in the antarctic. So long as the earth spins about that axis, the sun will always rise in the east, but at a varying latitude as Vaj said. That higher or lower latitude will change the length of the day, but it won't change which way is east. If you use Vaj's stick and circle method for finding which way is east, the latitude of the sun will determine the times at which the shadow crosses the line, and the angle from the stick to the crossing points, but when you join the points, the line will always be parallel to the spin of the earth. The magnetic poles are another matter entirely. They are close to the earths spin axis, but constantly slowly moving around, which is why magnetic north, for most of us, is not the same as true north. Then occasionally at random times, typically hundreds of thousands of years apart, the magnetic poles switch over between the arctic and antarctic. If you look at a compass after that happens it will indicate that *magnetic* north is in the antarctic, so based on that the sun will rise in the west, but that's only by the compass, and in fact the sun will continue to rise in the same direction it always has. So you can build your east facing house, and it will stay facing east. Scorpianon - facing east and still not enlightened PS. If I understand it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Here's my 2 cents... East and West are determined by the spin of the earth, not by the relationship of the earth and sun or stars. The earth spins about the axis defined by the poles, and that doesn't change - the north pole is always at the same place in the arctic, and the south pole is always at the same place in the antarctic. So long as the earth spins about that axis, the sun will always rise in the east, but at a varying latitude as Vaj said. That higher or lower latitude will change the length of the day, but it won't change which way is east. If you use Vaj's stick and circle method for finding which way is east, the latitude of the sun will determine the times at which the shadow crosses the line, and the angle from the stick to the crossing points, but when you join the points, the line will always be parallel to the spin of the earth. The magnetic poles are another matter entirely. They are close to the earths spin axis, but constantly slowly moving around, which is why magnetic north, for most of us, is not the same as true north. Then occasionally at random times, typically hundreds of thousands of years apart, the magnetic poles switch over between the arctic and antarctic. If you look at a compass after that happens it will indicate that *magnetic* north is in the antarctic, so based on that the sun will rise in the west, but that's only by the compass, and in fact the sun will continue to rise in the same direction it always has. So you can build your east facing house, and it will stay facing east. Scorpianon - facing east and still not enlightened
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I was not making that assumption. But I was making a different false assumption based on my trying to piece things together from different posts. I finally did some reading. I think I got now. And can demonstrate with two pencils how the equinox rotates around the full 360 degrees of the zodiac, over 26000 years and how the angle of the earth's axis relative to the sun is shifts slightly, a few degrees as you say during the precesson, but remains about 23.5 degrees +- 2-3 degrees depending on where it is in the precesson cycle. Thus the earths access does change slightly in relaationship to the sun, maybe 2 degrees max in 13000 years. But 2 degrees are within the range of tolerance of SV (I believe). And the shift for a 1000 yr old building will be less than .2 degrees. So Peter is right, there is a shift. He is wrong in the magnitude -- its way too small to matter. No need to rebuild your 1000 year old SV dynastal mansion. And true east is always where the sun rises on the spring or vernal equinox. And if you marked the spot on the horizon today, over the span of 26,000 years, it would be the same spot +-2 degrees. What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. I am not sure how this effect spring break. But the sun will still be rising in the east, dead set on your marker (+-2 degrees). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] East is always east
Eureka! --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Could you post this on ffl? - I have noted the big correspondence on the matter of east. East is an earth-based direction and is always the same. The pole does wobble round to point at different parts of the sky, but the axis of rotation does not significantly change relative to the surface of the earth. That is why the pyramids in Egypt and Stonehenge in Britain are still perfectly aligned after over 4,500 years. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
Eureka once more! --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But whatever precession has to do with proper Vastu, it has *nothing* to do with the sun rising in the west. And your view contradicts Peter's position. I seriously doubt Peter was saying precession results in the sun eventually rising in the west. What's off about your mental model, I strongly suspect, is that you think what he's saying *implies* this; precession certainly does not. Whether precession throws proper Vastu off, I'm not sure; but if it does, it would be within a relatively small range--about 24 degrees--and only temporarily: every 26,000 years, approximately, the circle described by the earth's axis is complete, and it's back to its starting point. Ok. I may have not gotten the full picture of precession, the 24 degree part. Ok, visualizing it, I think I get it. At 180 degrees of precession, the relationship / tilt of the earth to sun is changed by 24 degrees. Yes, I think that's right. Yet during the 26000 year precesson cycle, the planets, including the sun, travel the full 360 degrees of the zodiac. Thats the visual model I have not captured yet, to capture these two things. See the link I posted in response to Vaj--that may help. I've got both models in mind, but I can't put them together. I don't believe the difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs is at all related to Vastu, though, except insofar as the precession of the equinoxes is related to both the differences in the Zodiacs and to Vastu (and I'm not sure it's related to Vastu after all--see below). Regardless, my quesion is the same -- but its just the effect is less, about 12th. a) in 13000 years, does the sun rise 24 degrees off the point earth it now rises (at same day of the year)? It's either 24 or 12 degrees. I *think* it's 24. In other words, b) If a house is facing the sun properly now, will it be facing the sun properly in 13000 years. See the message Rick just posted from somebody else. I think he's right, that due east is an earth-based direction and doesn't ever change no matter what the earth's axis does--which would mean Peter is wrong, but in a different way than you had thought. If Peter's right and Rick's poster is wrong, though, a house that's facing the sun properly now would be facing the sun properly again in *26,000* years, not 13,000. I think... Thirteen thousand years would be the maximum variance. And for practical purposes, even if the correct orientation of the sun does shift over time, its about 1 degree every 500 years. As I remember SV tolerances are like 2 degrees. So a building is good to go for 1000 years or so. Here's my 2 cents... East and West are determined by the spin of the earth, not by the relationship of the earth and sun or stars. The earth spins about the axis defined by the poles, and that doesn't change - the north pole is always at the same place in the arctic, and the south pole is always at the same place in the antarctic. So long as the earth spins about that axis, the sun will always rise in the east, but at a varying latitude as Vaj said. That higher or lower latitude will change the length of the day, but it won't change which way is east. If you use Vaj's stick and circle method for finding which way is east, the latitude of the sun will determine the times at which the shadow crosses the line, and the angle from the stick to the crossing points, but when you join the points, the line will always be parallel to the spin of the earth. The magnetic poles are another matter entirely. They are close to the earths spin axis, but constantly slowly moving around, which is why magnetic north, for most of us, is not the same as true north. Then occasionally at random times, typically hundreds of thousands of years apart, the magnetic poles switch over between the arctic and antarctic. If you look at a compass after that happens it will indicate that *magnetic* north is in the antarctic, so based on that the sun will rise in the west, but that's only by the compass, and in fact the sun will continue to rise in the same direction it always has. So you can build your east facing house, and it will stay facing east. Scorpianon - facing east and still
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. No, it does not. You would be operating on a false assumption and that gross assumption is that since the earth's axis is currently about 23.5 degrees IIRC, that it goes back to the zero position! There *is* no zero position, nor did anyone say there was. The wobble of the axis describes a circle. After 26,000 years, the axis is *zero degrees* of that circle from where it started 26,000 years previously. That zero point is just where you started tracking the axis wobble. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but what happens when the universe implodes back into a point singularity? Didn't that already happen this morning? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife : Photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: French to English translation available at:- Babel Fish Translation http://world.altavista.com/ Copy text - paste in box - select 'French to English' and ... If it doesn't work first go, try again Here's the text from the article (found att archive search 'Maharishi' at http://www.illustre.ch): The report Switzerland is indicated to be the paradise on Earth the insane Utopia of the rajah Felix Kaegi Couronnés of gold, they move in Cadillac of de luxe hotel in de luxe hotel with an aim proclaimed to make of Switzerland a haven of peace. Which direction to give to the disconcerting operation launched to Geneva by the emissary of Maharishi, the father of the meditation transcendantale? Inquire. Text: Francoise Boulianne Photographs: Claude Gluntz When the wise watch the moon, the insane one looks at the finger, known as the proverb. Perfect. But which is the wise one and which is the insane one, in this business? The militants of May 68 wanted to shave the Alps to see the sea thirty-seven years later, the emissary of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, formerly guru of Beatles, want to shave Geneva to see peace, happiness, prosperity. Is it necessary to laugh their crowns, their limousines and de luxe hotels which they affectionnent? Or then is it necessary to pay attention to their provocative message, altogether enticing in this period of capital crisis, the more so as it is carried by million faithful followers of the meditation transcendantale (MT), to start with David Lynch or Clint Eastwood? In the doubt, we encased the step with these funny rajahs with the pink cheeks from Zurich, from London and New York to preach the fine words in French-speaking Switzerland. Act I, December 14, to Lausanne Palace Go with Felix Kaegi, rajah de Suisse. First surprised: its majesty has humour. Questioned on its crown, which it raises with the timidity of a champion of decathlon slipping for the first time into an evening dress, it admits readily that it is not very comfortable and that it removes it to sleep. This man with the surprising destiny explains that it was born in Saint-Gall in 1954, the year when Francoise Sagan published Hello sadness and Boris Vian sang the deserter. Wire of a photographer, who established later his shop with Stäfa, on banks of Lake Zurich, it had its first flash at 14 years, by dividing into sheets the Salut magazine buddies. Beatles posed with their Indian guru, says it. In search of values which I did not find in my village, I punaisé the photograph on the wall of my room. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi became the symbol of what I sought. Of wire out of needle, Felix comes into contact with the founder of the MT. Its training of finished chemist, it throws to the nettles its diploma and the skimped aspirations of its medium to go to follow the teaching of its Master. Thirty years later, here the rajah de Suisse, coldly formed with its role of king - in Holland, where Maharishi saw -, in company of 21 other rajahs of various areas of the world. It is flanked of one charming wife, Mona, named mother of the field of the rajah de Suisse. Rich person girl followers of the MT, initially formed as designer, it became professor of meditation and naturopathe in Zurich. Proud of his successes, her husband specifies that in six years, it initiated more than 1000 new practise. As cordial as concerned to make well, both explain their project lengthily, which lights full of small stars in their ingenuous eyes. Reconstruire Geneva in respect with the natural laws will bring to this city peace, happiness and prosperity, which will make it possible to show the way in the world, says in short. We must do everything to prevent a forthcoming war, specifies Felix Kaegi, which contemplates eight hours per day to stimulate the forces necessary to its mission. Thanks to its traditions of peace and freedom, Switzerland is naturally indicated to become the paradise on Earth. What it misses, it is to include/understand the benefits of the meditation, which dissolves in particular the fears and the conflicts, as well as the principles of vedic science, mother of all knowledge. Is this in the name of these principles which it was established in Lausanne Palace and drives limousine? Note that I have neither yacht nor private aircraft to show you, it still smiles. The money is not dirty in oneself, the capacity and comfort either. What counts, it is how it is obtained and what one does. A king must assume a parental role, and make sure that nobody suffers in his kingdom. For that, it is necessary money in its treasury for him. Act II, December 15, hotel President Wilson, Geneva the rajahs sumptuously launched their conference Reconstruire Geneva creative downtown of a happy destiny by means of full pages of advertisements published in the local press. But they allured
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but what happens when the universe implodes back into a point singularity? Didn't that already happen this morning? Ha-Ha!!! you noticed too? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Auspicious formation outside Maharishi's room
Does this mean Sat Yuga has arrived? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Keith Wallace¹s son: From: Gareth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:00:11 +0100 Today, Maharishi invited us and others upstairs to see natural made ice Shiva lingum that formed outside of Maharishi¹s bedroom on ledge. It is a very auspicious omen, according to Maharishi. It was so sweet to go upstairs to Maharishi¹s private area in the glass garden room and view the ice Shiva lingum. I went up a couple times with different groups. At night, Maharishi¹s assistant and top secretary performed puja outside on the ledge in the freezing cold to the ice Shiva lingum. Maharishi was right outside the window looking while the puja was going on. At one point, I went outside and snuck a peek of Maharishi up close. Maharishi was sitting right by the window in front of ice Shiva lingum with eyes closed. It was very sweet. Love, Gareth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Auspicious formation outside Maharishi's room
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean Sat Yuga has arrived? No, it means Winter has arrived ;) --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Keith Wallace¹s son: From: Gareth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:00:11 +0100 Today, Maharishi invited us and others upstairs to see natural made ice Shiva lingum that formed outside of Maharishi¹s bedroom on ledge. It is a very auspicious omen, according to Maharishi. It was so sweet to go upstairs to Maharishi¹s private area in the glass garden room and view the ice Shiva lingum. I went up a couple times with different groups. At night, Maharishi¹s assistant and top secretary performed puja outside on the ledge in the freezing cold to the ice Shiva lingum. Maharishi was right outside the window looking while the puja was going on. At one point, I went outside and snuck a peek of Maharishi up close. Maharishi was sitting right by the window in front of ice Shiva lingum with eyes closed. It was very sweet. Love, Gareth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. No, it does not. You would be operating on a false assumption and that gross assumption is that since the earth's axis is currently about 23.5 degrees IIRC, that it goes back to the zero position! There *is* no "zero" position, nor did anyone say there was. The wobble of the axis describes a circle. After 26,000 years, the axis is *zero degrees* of that circle from where it started 26,000 years previously. That "zero" point is just where you started tracking the axis wobble. This is not what I was referring to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says no. If he is correct, then Peter's point about SV getting out of whack over time is invalid. No, it does not. You would be operating on a false assumption and that gross assumption is that since the earth's axis is currently about 23.5 degrees IIRC, that it goes back to the zero position! There *is* no zero position, nor did anyone say there was. The wobble of the axis describes a circle. After 26,000 years, the axis is *zero degrees* of that circle from where it started 26,000 years previously. That zero point is just where you started tracking the axis wobble. This is not what I was referring to. Yes, that, of course, was my point. That's the only zero anybody's been talking about here. There was no such false assumption as you claim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote: snip. +++ The problems that one would notice in one lifetime that were caused by the details in the previous posts would not be cause for alarm making them relatively irrelevant. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. In the mean time, which of the following points of my logic do you disagree with: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. In the mean time, which of the following points of my logic do you disagree with: Sorry, yer gonna hafta sort it out yourself. 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. In the mean time, which of the following points of my logic do you disagree with: Sorry, yer gonna hafta sort it out yourself. The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in is not a cogent argument. :)) 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) means precesion of the equinoxthat the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. In the mean time, which of the following points of my logic do you disagree with: Sorry, yer gonna hafta sort it out yourself. The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) means precesion of the equinoxthat the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solstice day to the summer solstice day. Half-way through the six months, the sun crosses the mid-point (celestial equator) on its journey northward and that crossing of the mid-point is what the vernal equinox is. The vernal equinox will always be in March in the northern hemisphere and in September in the southern hemisphere. That won't change because of the earth's minor wobbling. --- doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this occurs. In 13000 years, the vernal equinox will be in September, and the sun will be in Virgo. Er, no, the vernal equinox will still (always) occur in March. Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. In the mean time, which of the following points of my logic do you disagree with: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solstice day to the summer solstice day. Half-way through the six months, the sun crosses the mid-point (celestial equator) on its journey northward and that crossing of the mid-point is what the vernal equinox is. The vernal equinox will always be in March in the northern hemisphere and in September in the southern hemisphere. It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. That won't change because of the earth's minor wobbling. The 26000 year cycle of the precession of equinox can hardly be termed minor wobbling. You are confusing precession with nutation. How exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. How's 8000 years? Is that enough proof? Link to here and change maximum year to and yearly increment to 100 and you will find that the vernal equinox in 9900 will be on March 21st. http://aom.giss.nasa.gov/srvernal.html You are confusing precession with nutation I have been an astronomy buff for 38 years and am not confused easily. I leave it to those who know little about the subject to be confused. --- doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solstice day to the summer solstice day. Half-way through the six months, the sun crosses the mid-point (celestial equator) on its journey northward and that crossing of the mid-point is what the vernal equinox is. The vernal equinox will always be in March in the northern hemisphere and in September in the southern hemisphere. It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. That won't change because of the earth's minor wobbling. The 26000 year cycle of the precession of equinox can hardly be termed minor wobbling. You are confusing precession with nutation. How exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. How's 8000 years? Is that enough proof? Link to here and change maximum year to and yearly increment to 100 and you will find that the vernal equinox in 9900 will be on March 21st. http://aom.giss.nasa.gov/srvernal.html Um, not really. My reading of the very first line of the site is that March 21 as vernal equinox is a fixed input, a core assumption of the model. Thats fine for 100-200 year spans, which is what I suspect the model is used for. Its not fine for 13000 years out. For the six Atmosphere-Ocean Model simulations (C089, C090, C091, C092, C093, C094) used by this current web site, all years have exactly 365 days and vernal equinox always occurs on March 21, hour 0. You are confusing precession with nutation I have been an astronomy buff for 38 years and am not confused easily. I leave it to those who know little about the subject to be confused. Ok fine. So asking a second time, as a learned bright guy with 38 year experience in astronomy, how exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. What parts of my definition do you disagree with? --- doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solstice day to the summer solstice day. Half-way through the six months, the sun crosses the mid-point (celestial equator) on its journey northward and that crossing of the mid-point is what the vernal equinox is. The vernal equinox will always be in March in the northern hemisphere and in September in the southern hemisphere. It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. That won't change because of the earth's minor wobbling. The 26000 year cycle of the precession of equinox can hardly be termed minor wobbling. You are confusing precession with nutation. How exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change--it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- I am sorry judy. That is just not strue. As the sun moves from the beginning of one constallation to another, its a new month. Go through 6 constallations in 13000 years and the vernal equinox has moved 6 months. it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- I am sorry judy. That is just not strue. As the sun moves from the beginning of one constallation to another, its a new month. Go through 6 constallations in 13000 years and the vernal equinox has moved 6 months. it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- I am sorry judy. That is just not true. As the sun moves from the beginning of one constallation to another, its a new month. Go through 6 constallations in 13000 years and the vernal equinox has moved 6 months. it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been an astronomy buff for 38 years and am not confused easily. I leave it to those who know little about the subject to be confused. Ok good. Glad to have your experience available. So with your knowledge and experience tell me where my confusion is: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Nope, you do it my way. Plug Date of the vernal equinox is always around March 21 into your model and run it like that, see what happens. It'll come clear to you eventually. (It might help to read gullible fool's post again. You seem to be confusing the sun's day-to-day position in the Zodiac with the sun's yearly position on the celestial equator.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Nope, you do it my way. Um lets each do it the others way. Plug Date of the vernal equinox is always around March 21 into your model and run it like that, see what happens. It'll come clear to you eventually. So you want me to assume the answer you want and see if I get your answer. Interesting heuristic. But lets do it. Kurrbonnng! Doing your the the model freezes up. Because every 72 years vernal equinox wants to move a day backwards. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Nope, you do it my way. Plug Date of the vernal equinox is always around March 21 into your model and run it like that, see what happens. It'll come clear to you eventually. (It might help to read gullible fool's post again. You seem to be confusing the sun's day-to-day position in the Zodiac with the sun's yearly position on the celestial equator.) haha, its pretty funny. you are telling me where I am probably confused and you have not even read my piece on why VE is in Sept in 13000 years. Some people would actually read the piece first. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- So Judy you appear to be saying that due to precession when the sun is in, let say virgo, at vernal equinox in 13000 years, its going to March. Interesting view. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
The graph on this link I beleive shows a long term (1800-2200)declining trend of the date of the vernal equinox -- consistent with the explanation for such I provided earlier. http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/VernalEquinox.html Some other links that touch on and are consistent with a long run shift in the vernal equinox to ealier andealier dates. Particularly weather changes and changes in the nature of the seasons. - Precession causes the cycle of seasons (tropical year) to be about 20.4 minutes less than the period for the earth to return to the same position with respect to the stars as one year previously (sidereal year). This results in a slow change (one day per 58 calendar years) in the position of the sun with respect to the stars at an equinox. It is significant for calendars and their leap year rules. The following figure illustrates the effects of axial precession on the seasons, relative to perihelion and aphelion. The precession of the equinoxes can cause periodic climate change (see Milankovitch cycles), because the hemisphere that experiences summer at perihelion and winter at aphelion (as the southern hemisphere does presently) is in principle prone to more severe seasons than the opposite hemisphere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession Milankovitch cycles is the name given to the collective effect of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate. The eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit vary in several patterns, resulting in 100,000 year ice age cycles of the Quaternary glaciation over the last few million years. The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time the elliptical orbit rotates, more slowly, leading to a 22,000 years cycle in the equinoxes. In addition, the Earth's tilt relative to the Sun changes between 21.5 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back again on a 41,000 year cycle. The Earth's axis today is tilted 23.5 degrees relative to the normal to the plane of the ecliptic. Precession of the equinoxes is the change in the direction of the Earth's axis of rotation relative to the Sun at the time of perihelion and aphelion. The Earth goes through one complete precession cycle in a period of approximately 25,800 years. When the axis is aligned so it points toward the Sun during perihelion, one polar hemisphere will have a greater difference between the seasons while the other hemisphere will have milder seasons. The hemisphere which is in summer at perihelion will receive much of the corresponding increase in solar radiation, but that same hemisphere will be in winter at aphelion and have a colder winter. The other hemisphere will have a relatively warmer winter and cooler summer. When the Earth's axis instead points toward the Sun during spring and autumn, the Northern and Southern Hemispheres will have similar contrasts in the seasons. At present perihelion occurs during the Southern Hemisphere's summer, and aphelion is reached during the southern winter. Thus the Southern Hemisphere seasons should tend to be somewhat more extreme than the Northern Hemisphere seasons. As the Earth spins around its axis and orbits around the Sun, several quasi-periodic variations occur. Although the curves have a large number of sinusoidal components, a few components are dominant. Milankovitch studied changes in the eccentricity, obliquity, and precession of Earth's movements. Such changes in movement and orientation change the amount and location of solar radiation reaching the Earth. This is known as solar forcing (an example of radiative forcing). Changes near the north polar area are considered important due to the large amount of land, which reacts to such changes more quickly than the oceans do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles Due to this wobble a climatically significant alteration must take place. When the axis is tilted towards Vega the positions of the Northern Hemisphere winter and summer solstices will coincide with the aphelion and perihelion, respectively. This means that the Northern Hemisphere will experience winter when the Earth is furthest from the Sun and summer when the Earth is closest to the Sun. This coincidence will result in greater seasonal contrasts. At present, the Earth is at perihelion very close to the winter solstice. (From NOAA's National Geophysical Data Center) At times when Northern Hemisphere summers are coolest (farthest from the Sun due to precession and greatest orbital eccentricity) and winters are warmest (minimum tilt), snow can accumulate on and cover broad areas of northern America and Europe. At present, only precession is in the glacial mode, with tilt and eccentricity not favorable to glaciation Even when all of the orbital parameters favor glaciation, the increase in winter snowfall and decrease in summer melt would barely enough to trigger glaciation, not to grow large ice sheets. Ice sheet growth
[FairfieldLife] Changing Date of Vernal Eqinox
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/050318_equinox.html More support for Vernal Equinox slowly getting earlier. While it's true that we've traditionally celebrated the beginning of spring on March 21, astronomers and calendar manufacturers alike now say that the spring season starts one day earlier, March 20, in all time zones in North America. Unheard of? Not if you look at the statistics. In fact, did you know that during the 20th Century, March 21 was actually the exception rather than the rule? The vernal equinox landed on March 21, only 36 out of 100 years. And from 1981 to 2102, Americans will celebrate the first day of spring no later than March 20. In the years 2008 and 2012, those living in Alaska, Hawaii and the Pacific, Mountain and Central time zones will see spring begin even earlier: on March 19. And in 2016, it will start on March 19 for the entire United States. There are a few reasons why seasonal dates can vary from year to year. 1. A year is not an even number of days and neither are the seasons. To try and achieve a value as close as possible to the exact length of the year, our Gregorian Calendar was constructed to give a close approximation to the tropical year which is the actual length of time it takes for the Earth to complete one orbit around the Sun. It eliminates leap days in century years not evenly divisible by 400, such 1700, 1800, and 2100, and millennium years that are divisible by 4,000, such as 8000 and 12000. 2. Another reason is that the Earth's elliptical orbit is changing its orientation relative to the Sun (it skews), which causes the Earth's axis to constantly point in a different direction, called precession. Since the seasons are defined as beginning at strict 90-degree intervals, these positional changes affect the time Earth reaches each 90-degree location in its orbit around the Sun. 3. The pull of gravity from the other planets also affects the location of the Earth in its orbit. The current seasonal lengths for the Northern Hemisphere are: Winter 88.994 days Spring 92.758 days Summer 93.651 days Autumn 89.842 days As you can see, the warm seasons, spring and summer, combined are 7.573 days longer than the colder seasons, fall and winter (good news for warm weather admirers). However, spring is currently being reduced by approximately one minute per year and winter by about one-half minute per year. Summer is gaining the minute lost from spring, and autumn is gaining the half-minute lost from winter. Winter is the shortest astronomical season, and with its seasonal duration continuing to decrease, it is expected to attain its minimum value 88.71 days by about the year 3500. Another complication revolving around the vernal equinox concerns the length of day versus night. We have been taught that on the first days of spring and autumn, the day and night are equal to exactly 12 hours all over the world. Yet, if you check the calculations made by the U.S. Naval Observatory or the sunrise/sunset tables in any reputable almanac, you will find that this is not so. In fact, on the days of the spring and fall equinox the length of daylight is actually longer than darkness by several minutes. . One factor is that the moments of sunrise and sunset are considered when the top of the sun, and not its center, is on the horizon. This alone would make the time of sunrise and sunset a little more than 12 hours apart on these days. The Sun's apparent diameter is roughly equal to half a degree (0.50 degrees). But the main reason that this happens can be attributed to our atmosphere; it acts like a lens and refracts (bends) its light above the edge of the horizon. In their calculations of sunrise and sunset times, the U.S. Naval Observatory routinely uses 34 minutes of arc for the angle of refraction and 16 minutes of arc for the semi diameter of the Sun's disc. In other words, the geometric center of the Sun is actually 0.83 derees below a flat and unobstructed horizon at the moment of sunrise. Or, put in another way, when you watch the Sun either coming up above the horizon at sunrise or going down below the horizon at sunset, you are actually looking at an illusion the Sun is not really there, but actually below the horizon. As a result, we actually end up seeing the Sun for a few minutes before its disk actually rises and for a few minutes after it has actually set. Thus, thanks to atmospheric refraction, the length of daylight on any given day is increased by approximately six or seven minutes. For Europe, spring will begin on March 21 in 2007. That, however, will be the last time until 2102. For places much farther to the east, such as Tokyo, Japan (9 hours ahead of Greenwich), spring will fall on March 21 in two out of every four years from 2006 through 2023 (2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, etc.),
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing Date of Vernal Eqinox
The equinoxes are not fixed points on the celestial sphere but move westward along the ecliptic, passing through all the constellations of the zodiacin 26,000 years. This motion is called the precession of the equinoxes. The vernal equinox is a reference point in the equatorial coordinate system. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equinox1.html More and more march 19ths creeping in 2100-2400 http://www.newscotland1398.net/equinox/vern2188.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
