[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > It already *is* in the record. > > > > > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > > > this forum lately?? > > > > Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! > > Reading comprehensio and intelligence are two different > things. And it's not just you, by a long shot. Gee, could it possibly be "everyone but you" who lacks "reading comprehensio?" :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
Secret: "Tell me if I have the facts straight. Tuition at the Maharishi School is USD 12,000 a year and the teachers get net to nothing? If anywhere near true, they must be using mighty expensive teaching materials." Edg: Haven't had any kids in MSAE for seven years, so don't know the deal today, but from 1980 to 2000 the tuition was up to about four - five thousand for a high school kid, and the teachers got about 300 a month, plus food at Anapurna, and a trailer and some other benefits -- chief of which was that your own kids were totally free if you taught full time...so those teachers were "paid" that way, and if they had 5 kids then they got about 25,000 in benefits, but other teachers had no kids and only got the basic package. It was worked out with each teacher in secret, and teachers were told to keep it a secret, and there was a lot of suspicions about some folks getting better deals. It takes a lot of money to run a school, and the 50% of the tuitions that MSAE did get was spent fast just on operations while the teachers went without anything like a normal salary cuz they knew that there was no money for them. Of course, they somehow found all the money needed to build a new wing at MSAE, tear down buildings for MUM's new buildings, limo service for visiting big wigs, etc. And yeah, MUM's money was separate from MSAE's money -- so they said, -- but we all knew it went into a big slush fund at some point, and the money was there but spent on anything but teacher salaries. Every single year there were several big fund raising drives that held the poor kids as hostages "unless you can donate more" to everyone. Rich folks got dozens and dozens of calls every year or were grabbed outside the dome by desperate parents looking for tuition money. Scandalous is what it was when a simple community wide fee could have funded the school and everyone who arrived with kids would be welcomed into a free educational system. I would have paid such a "tax." But, we know that that cash flow would quickly be routed to anything but education and it would be much more easy to catch the TMO grabbing their percentage. I cannot think but that the above type of abuse continues today. It's ten below zero outside tonight, but I've felt colder shivers bracing myself to beg for a scholarship. Tough tough tough to do when one's allegiance to the dogma and the TMO was waining but the kids were incredibly happy to have so many friends. No matter the quality of the education, the social scene was very good for growing psychologies in my opinion. The kids never did really buy into the cult thing, not most of them, so I think most got through the experience quite well. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > And this gift comes when they're begging for winter clothes for the > > > pundits? Where was Hag's heart then? We need a tower complex in FF > > > more than paid teachers and free tuitions to all kids? > > > > > > Fuck. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > Edg, you wanted to do something good and positive. Tell me where they > > are begging for winter clothes for the pundits and I will send some. I > > have a ton of winter clothing around suitable for young men. > > > > Tell me if I have the facts straight. Tuition at the Maharishi School > is USD 12,000 a year and the teachers get net to nothing? If anywhere > near true, they must be using mighty expensive teaching materials. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Behalf Of authfriend > > > Not everyone thought his comments were "unsubstantial." > > I found many of them extremely meaty. He has an almost > > Zenlike knack for succinctness. That's what enabled him > > to make so many posts. > > I agree that many of them were substantial, but most were > unnecessary "me too" posts I can't recall Lawson's *ever* making a "me too" post. I think that was one of the comments you made that really bugged him, because it was just off the wall. , and despite repeated requests > from many people to cut back, he couldn't restrain himself. He felt that his posts were unappreciated, as I said to start with. Obviously you don't tell somebody to cut back posts you appreciate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > Edg, you wanted to do something good and positive. Tell me where > > they are begging for winter clothes for the pundits and I will > > send some. I have a ton of winter clothing around suitable for > > young men. > > Uh...what have you done with all the young men? > > :-) > You may think that's funny but I have to face the cashier at the Hy-Vee who equated the TM Movement with the pedophile prophet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > And this gift comes when they're begging for winter clothes for the > > pundits? Where was Hag's heart then? We need a tower complex in FF > > more than paid teachers and free tuitions to all kids? > > > > Fuck. > > > > Edg > > > Edg, you wanted to do something good and positive. Tell me where they > are begging for winter clothes for the pundits and I will send some. I > have a ton of winter clothing around suitable for young men. > Tell me if I have the facts straight. Tuition at the Maharishi School is USD 12,000 a year and the teachers get net to nothing? If anywhere near true, they must be using mighty expensive teaching materials.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> We may not be using the term "hypnosis" the same > way, that's true. It's the element of "suggestion" > that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its > face. > I agree with this. Meditation invokes a state of mind that is not dependent on expectation. My recent experiences in meditation seem like evidence for this as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > > > > > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > > > > > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > > > > > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. > > > > > > > > As I said, I don't know enough about either state to make clear > > > > distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or > meditative > > > > state Judy. I was speaking about my perspective on the > language > > > > used. But if the discussion isn't working for you, no harm no > foul. > > > > > > Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule > > > out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, > > > we understand TM too differently to have a > > > meaningful discussion. > > > > You know Judy, I'm the one who was certified to teach meditation > > by MMY, and practice hypnotherapy by John Grinder in NLP. So if > > anyone in this discussion should be pulling the "meaningful > > discussion" card, it should be me. But the fact is that terms > > like hypnosis and meditation are terms referring to internal > > states with no scientific consensus about what they refer to. > > My opinion is not formed, yours seems to have already formed. I > > accept your opinion about meditation as based on your personal > > experience. I don't believe the same is true of your opinion of > > hypnosis, or that we are even using the term in the same way. > > We may not be using the term "hypnosis" the same > way, that's true. It's the element of "suggestion" > that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its > face. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Not everyone thought his comments were "unsubstantial." I found many of them extremely meaty. He has an almost Zenlike knack for succinctness. That's what enabled him to make so many posts. I agree that many of them were substantial, but most were unnecessary “me too” posts, and despite repeated requests from many people to cut back, he couldn’t restrain himself. And he had gotten much better at snipping. As I recall he remembered to snip sometimes, after having been reminded many times, but he kept reverting back to old habits. He was a > large part of the reason we agreed on posting limits. He > couldn't tolerate being limited, so he left. He left before the posting limit was imposed, Rick. He was bummed because so many people were dissing his posts (including you). I wasn’t dissing his substantive posts, of which there were some. I and most others were objecting to his high volume of unnecessary posts, which diluted the quality of FFL. Now that we have the 50 post rule, he’d be constrained, and might choose to be more selective about using his posts. BTW, Shemp will have posting rights restored Tuesday, in case anyone is missing him. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > > > > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > > > > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > > > > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. > > > > > > As I said, I don't know enough about either state to make clear > > > distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative > > > state Judy. I was speaking about my perspective on the language > > > used. But if the discussion isn't working for you, no harm no foul. > > > > Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule > > out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, > > we understand TM too differently to have a > > meaningful discussion. > > You know Judy, I'm the one who was certified to teach meditation > by MMY, and practice hypnotherapy by John Grinder in NLP. So if > anyone in this discussion should be pulling the "meaningful > discussion" card, it should be me. But the fact is that terms > like hypnosis and meditation are terms referring to internal > states with no scientific consensus about what they refer to. > My opinion is not formed, yours seems to have already formed. I > accept your opinion about meditation as based on your personal > experience. I don't believe the same is true of your opinion of > hypnosis, or that we are even using the term in the same way. We may not be using the term "hypnosis" the same way, that's true. It's the element of "suggestion" that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its face.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of authfriend > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:02 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! > > > > (I started > posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had > been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped > out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.) > > Translation: people didn't appreciate the fact that he ignored > repeated requests to try to favor a bit of substance over the > relentless posting of short, unsubstantial comments at the end > of long, unsnipped posts. Not everyone thought his comments were "unsubstantial." I found many of them extremely meaty. He has an almost Zenlike knack for succinctness. That's what enabled him to make so many posts. And he had gotten much better at snipping. He was a > large part of the reason we agreed on posting limits. He > couldn't tolerate being limited, so he left. He left before the posting limit was imposed, Rick. He was bummed because so many people were dissing his posts (including you).
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Thanks. I saw from post record at the bottom of the site that it has been around for a few years, I wondered if the same people have been talking to each other all that time. A few of us have been around since the beginning. If you browse through the first few pages starting with HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1?l=1"http://groups.ya hoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1?l=1 you’ll see who. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! When I got my mantras from Amma, there really was no formal instructions per se--as if I'd know how to use it. Yes. The venue in which she imparts mantras (Devi Bhava – an all-night event with loud bhajans playing) is not conducive to the imparting of formal instructions for mantra use. There is someone giving instructions to small groups of people who have just gotten mantras from Amma, but I doubt that many people remember or follow those instructions. Consequently, many people don’t use their mantras or just use them for a sort of informal japa. Few, if any, spontaneously discover how to use them for TM-style sitting meditation. In my limited experience, those who do sit to meditate don’t have a clear understanding of effortlessness or how to deal with thoughts. Sitting with a couple of those people and taking them through the checking steps and suggesting that they meditate effortlessly has produced profound results. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule > > out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, > > we understand TM too differently to have a > > meaningful discussion. > > I am not part of this discussion, but how could "common sense" rule > out hypnosis? Some people "just know" things, others do not. That > does not necessarily imply a lack of common sense. It has the ring > of being patronizing to me. Ruth, please read what I wrote again. Whether hypnosis can be ruled out by common sense depends on how one understands TM. In my understanding, it's a matter of common sense. If it isn't in Curtis's understanding, then he and I have vastly different understandings. That's all I was saying.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! (I started posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.) Translation: people didn’t appreciate the fact that he ignored repeated requests to try to favor a bit of substance over the relentless posting of short, unsubstantial comments at the end of long, unsnipped posts. He was a large part of the reason we agreed on posting limits. He couldn’t tolerate being limited, so he left. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 7:13 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting > > to another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say > > that I have been missing him. > > > He haunted some other lists briefly--posting TM "research" on > Buddhist lists--till others quickly caught onto his game and > buried him. He quickly disappeared then. This is another of Vaj's bald-faced, vicious lies. Lawson had been posting fairly regularly to various of these Buddhist lists since *mid-2006*, and he doesn't appear to have left until the beginning of *June 2007*. Vaj made up "quickly caught onto his game" and "quickly disappeared" out of whole cloth. A lot of the exchanges on a given Buddhist group are crossposted to other Buddhist groups. It's not clear to me that Lawson was posting in more than one group, but the posts typically went to several different ones. Lawson had extended discussions with many different people, most of them *not* about research. In many of the exchanges I looked at, he was attempting to clear up the misconceptions the Buddhist folk had about TM. > One interesting thing came up on those conversations: the topic > of TMers having negative side-effects, etc. This shocked the > members of the list, because none of them had known anyone in > their traditions to ever have such issues. I didn't see anything remotely corresponding to "This shocked the members of the list." If Vaj didn't make this up as well, perhaps he'd like to cite the group and the dates of that discussion. (Fat chance.) > I don't even think Lawson was even meditating at the time Vaj is talking out of his rear end. Much of Lawson's participation in the Buddhist groups overlapped his participation here, and he explained clearly here--a number of times, in fact-- that he did do his program but not always regularly. , but he was > really into the "TM preacher" thang.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There Will Be Blood
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mainstream20016 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> I saw this yesterday and it is now at the top of my list for film of the > >> year. This adaptation of Upton Sinclair's "Oil!" is well worth seeing. > >> Daniel Day-Lewis is outstanding as the lead character. He must have > >> studied John Huston for the role as he sounds like him throughout. This > >> film is a great indictment of capitalism and greedy buttheads that > >> exploit it. > >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > There Will Be Blood is receiving positive press. It is released in art > > house venues, and thus > > unless it proves to have incredible audience response, will have minimal > > impact. I saw it > > last week, and was disappointed. The cinematography and audio was > > illustrative of the > > stamina and determination necessary to succeed in the mining process; most > > of the first > > quarter of the movie was devoid of dialogue. The cinematography and audio > > captures the incredible struggles and grueling demands of mininggreat suspense build-up in the > > mining scenes throughout the movie. > > > > However, with the early visual and sound excellence as a precursor, I was > > very > > disappointed with so many of the scenes that had dialogue. Listen closely, > > and you will > > hear monotonous, flat volume expressions that remind you of locally > > produced television > > commercials.. the expressions of the characters are > > strained I thought I was > > watching a small-town stage production that was filmed and put to screen. > > Awful. > > > > Trying to reconcile the high recommendations for this film of quality > > cinematography and > > the dreadful dialogue performances, I am somewhat at a loss why the film is > > highly > > recommended. In one lay review, the movie 'Raging Bull' was mentioned. In > > no way will > > this movie approximate the contribution of 'Raging Bull'. In that movie, > > the arc of > > character development was complete. In TWBB, all we see is a character - monotonously > > the same throughout, except for his changing into better and better coats > > of teflon that > > deflect any karmic letters he is due. Quite discouraging. > > > Whatever floats your boat. Daniel Day-Lewis already won a Golden Globe > for his performance. I thought the film was a masterpiece and the best > Paul Thomas Anderson film to date. Maybe you saw it in a bad theater. > I saw it in one of Cinemark's Cinearts theaters in this case a "dome" > theater so the presentation was excellent and could have only been > better if my local DLP theater was showing it. > > Day-Lewis did an excellent job of suspending belief and engaging the > audience in the character. Anderson was wise to not use any of the > usual A-list actors who would have broken that suspension of belief > (Scorcese's "Aviator" comes to mind where you kept thinking "there's so > and so playing .."). > > Of course the film is important for our times because it dramatizes how > ruthless some entrepreneurs can be (which was Upton Sinclair's point). Were we to have a glimmer of hope for equity, the film would have made the grade as a damning critique of ruthless entrepreneurship. TWBB only demonstrates the monstrosity of greed, it doesn't give direction to how justice might be done. The villain's casual suggestion to his man-servant to tidy the bowling alley in the final scene was chilling to me - I was immediately discouraged when the filmed ended shortly therafter. The message I got was, "This is how the powerful evade justice, as a matter of course, and to expect anything otherwise is naive." > They still are that way and are responsible for the coming collapse of > the US economy (as well as our politicians who were buy protecting > government and big business and not the people). That, I predict, will > cause a HARD pendulum swing to socialism It's unfortunate that candidates like Kucinich, and even Edwards, are marginalized by the media in this election cycle. Were either to have been given even one-half of the free prominent publicity that John McCain has received from the establishment in the past two months, they would be on top. > where even small business may be banned (which would be bad -- just reign in > the big >guys). Living in > California I think some of the quirky laws here for small business were > overkill going back to the "Sinclairites" who won office. > > I did make it to "Cloverfield" yesterday going early enough to have my > choice of seats in the theater.It is of course a B-movie done by the > folks who do "Lost". I enjoyed the film as a good modern "monster > destroys a city" film shot with the conceit of a 20 something with his > co
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > > > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > > > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > > > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. > > > > As I said, I don't know enough about either state to make clear > > distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative > > state Judy. I was speaking about my perspective on the language > > used. But if the discussion isn't working for you, no harm no foul. > > Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule > out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, > we understand TM too differently to have a > meaningful discussion. You know Judy, I'm the one who was certified to teach meditation by MMY, and practice hypnotherapy by John Grinder in NLP. So if anyone in this discussion should be pulling the "meaningful discussion" card, it should be me. But the fact is that terms like hypnosis and meditation are terms referring to internal states with no scientific consensus about what they refer to. My opinion is not formed, yours seems to have already formed. I accept your opinion about meditation as based on your personal experience. I don't believe the same is true of your opinion of hypnosis, or that we are even using the term in the same way. My discussion was based on me admitting that I don't know what these terms specifically refer to. If you are coming from a position of "knowledge" concerning these states, I hope you will understand why I might view that claim with skepticism. Have you ever had an Ericksonian hypnosis session? You might find yourself quite humbled (as I have been) concerning what you "know" about meditation states. I am opened to your description of your long years of meditating, but your understanding of hypnosis is only theoretical, right? Your "common sense" is shaped by your experience, as is mine. Mine tells me that we don't know all the similarities and differences between these states of mind. My common sense also tells me that a lack open mindedness concerning this exploration is really all I need to know about your perspective. Been there, done that. Now I'm not so sure. In my meditation teacher training MMY said memorize this and didn't give too many reasons. In my hypnosis training we analyzed the reasons that our words had the effects they had. When it comes to an analysis of language used to shift a person's states of mind, I will use the resource of the training that gave me reasons over the rote memorization. Wouldn't you? But as I said before all this discussion is optional. I am not an expert on anything here. I am just exploring my experiences with the light of other people's POVs. I am ruling nothing out at the outset of my exploration of ideas. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Sir and Sire both have the Latin root of senex or old. But it's a great guess. - Original Message From: Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:05:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Richard J. Williams wrote: >>> All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who >>> worship the Tripuransundari and belong to >>> the Sri Vidya sect. >>> >>> > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Fortunately most people here including Billy >> don't take you as a reliable source. >> >> > Unfortunately, you didn't post any evidence to > counter my comments. In fact, all the Sarasawati > Swamis worship Tripuransundari and belong to the > Sri Vidya sect. There's only one Sri Yantra, > Bharat2, associated with the Sri Vidya sect, and > that is the Sri Chakra. Do you know what Sri means > in Sanskrit? And did you know that Tripuransundari > is the object of their devotions? There is no > difference between Sri Herself and Saraswati. > And like I said, the TM mantra is used in meditation > on Sri Vidya - Saraswati. Some tantric you turned > out to be! Of course I can read Devanagri. Can you? My point was that many yantras have bij mantras on them so you can't claim that Sri Yantra is the source. Sri has a number of meanings. It is like a salutation i.e. "mister" it can also be a name or Lakshmi and Saraswati. One wonders if the salutation "sir' has its root with the word? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Richard J. Williams wrote: >>> All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who >>> worship the Tripuransundari and belong to >>> the Sri Vidya sect. >>> >>> > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Fortunately most people here including Billy >> don't take you as a reliable source. >> >> > Unfortunately, you didn't post any evidence to > counter my comments. In fact, all the Sarasawati > Swamis worship Tripuransundari and belong to the > Sri Vidya sect. There's only one Sri Yantra, > Bharat2, associated with the Sri Vidya sect, and > that is the Sri Chakra. Do you know what Sri means > in Sanskrit? And did you know that Tripuransundari > is the object of their devotions? There is no > difference between Sri Herself and Saraswati. > And like I said, the TM mantra is used in meditation > on Sri Vidya - Saraswati. Some tantric you turned > out to be! Of course I can read Devanagri. Can you? My point was that many yantras have bij mantras on them so you can't claim that Sri Yantra is the source. Sri has a number of meanings. It is like a salutation i.e. "mister" it can also be a name or Lakshmi and Saraswati. One wonders if the salutation "sir' has its root with the word?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
I'm almost as new as you are, Ruth. - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:44:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FFL was started in 2001, either shortly before or shortly > after 9/11. But people join and then drop out all the > time, so the population isn't constant. (I started > posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had > been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped > out this past summer because he felt unappreciated. ) > > There's some repetition, but not a whole lot, I'd say. > Certain topics come up over and over again, but the > substance tends to be relatively new each time. > Thanks. I saw from post record at the bottom of the site that it has been around for a few years, I wondered if the same people have been talking to each other all that time. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:42 PM, tertonzeno wrote: ---It's the power in the mantra that's essential; and not present to the same degree in mantras of other traditions I've been intiated into. I've had the opposite experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule > out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, > we understand TM too differently to have a > meaningful discussion. > I am not part of this discussion, but how could "common sense" rule out hypnosis? Some people "just know" things, others do not. That does not necessarily imply a lack of common sense. It has the ring of being patronizing to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
curtisdeltablues wrote: >> Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? >> > > In hypnotic language theory it is a non specific instruction. It's > meaning will be some version of "chill" that the person decides for > themself. It is better than "relax' which can cause an oppositional > reflex. My guru recently took a hypnotherapy training course. It was interesting to note how similar the instructions are to those for meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FFL was started in 2001, either shortly before or shortly > after 9/11. But people join and then drop out all the > time, so the population isn't constant. (I started > posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had > been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped > out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.) > > There's some repetition, but not a whole lot, I'd say. > Certain topics come up over and over again, but the > substance tends to be relatively new each time. > Thanks. I saw from post record at the bottom of the site that it has been around for a few years, I wondered if the same people have been talking to each other all that time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
---It's the power in the mantra that's essential; and not present to the same degree in mantras of other traditions I've been intiated into. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Vaj > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! > > > > I find > it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out > with a similar technique to TM. > > > > > > And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except "canned" parts like > "checking" and mantra selection. > > > > Don't know about mantra selection, but IMO checking and the 7- steps were a > stroke of genius. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 > 7:32 PM >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 7:13 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > I wish Lawson were still here. > > Invite him back. 50 per week, though. What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting to another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say that I have been missing him. He haunted some other lists briefly--posting TM "research" on Buddhist lists--till others quickly caught onto his game and buried him. He quickly disappeared then. One interesting thing came up on those conversations: the topic of TMers having negative side-effects, etc. This shocked the members of the list, because none of them had known anyone in their traditions to ever have such issues. I don't even think Lawson was even meditating at the time, but he was really into the "TM preacher" thang.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Don’t know about mantra selection, but IMO checking and the 7-steps were a stroke of genius. It was innovative. The problem is whenever you "can" something like this, there's bound to be people who fall thru the cracks. An acharya or a trained guru will have many options for when things go wrong, as in when the wrong mantra leads to problems and the mantra needs changed, etc. Agreed. But just for the record, I’ve “checked” the meditation of a couple of people at Amma events who had been trying to meditate using a mantra she gave them, but resisting thoughts, etc., and it made a huge difference in the quality of their experience. When I got my mantras from Amma, there really was no formal instructions per se--as if I'd know how to use it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. > > As I said, I don't know enough about either state to make clear > distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative > state Judy. I was speaking about my perspective on the language > used. But if the discussion isn't working for you, no harm no foul. Let me put it this way: If you can't *rule out* hypnosis just as a matter of common sense, we understand TM too differently to have a meaningful discussion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with not > using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that perhaps it was > going on unconsciously, and I really have no answer for that. It > could be. But specifically I've just been sitting, noticing my breath > and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I remember, I come back to > noticing my breath. So sitting easily is key. When I use a mantra > that seems similar, although after 18 years my old advanced long ass > mantras seem like overkill, so I tend to end up with a shorter version. > There are a couple great meditation teachers who promote experimentation. You may find helpful. Swami Durgananda - Sally Kempton has a book called "The Heart of Meditation". It suggests different techniques to try. She travels around a lot, I really liked going to one of her meditation workshops. Her teacher Muktananda (sp) knew MMY. He promoted experimentation as well. His autobiography is called "Play of Consciousness" and he emphasizes the "play" part. Adyashanti has some CDs out that can be found used cheap. He has some guided meditations. His whole thing is about loosing the mantra or the breath altogether. For him its all about centering attention. It is even more effortless than TM. I always enjoy coming back to his guided meditations. >From what I can gather TM is one size fits all. After a while it doesn't hurt to come to the practice with a bit of discernment and see whats at work there. I know that my asana practice done in tandem with TM has made a huge difference to how attentive I am during TM. Its all about setting up clear, energetic foundation before sitting down to practice. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > [I wrote:] > > > I wish Lawson were still here. > > > [Rick wrote:] > > > Invite him back. 50 per week, though. > > > > What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting to > > another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say that I > > have been missing him. > > I don't know if I dare to ask, but how long have all y'all been > talking with each other? Is there much repetition? "Y'all" who, the participants on the forum in general? FFL was started in 2001, either shortly before or shortly after 9/11. But people join and then drop out all the time, so the population isn't constant. (I started posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.) There's some repetition, but not a whole lot, I'd say. Certain topics come up over and over again, but the substance tends to be relatively new each time.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. As I said, I don't know enough about either state to make clear distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative state Judy. I was speaking about my perspective on the language used. But if the discussion isn't working for you, no harm no foul. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? > > > > > > > > In hypnotic language theory > > > > > > Look, if you're going to start claiming TM is > > > hypnosis, forget it. > > > > I was using a description of the language used. That is how I > > understand it's "meaning". It is a specific language form that is > > shared by all instructions meant to shift a person's attention. It > is > > found in meditation instructions and also hypnosis. > > > > If you feel confident that you are clear on the differences in the > > end states fine. I am not pitching my POV, I was answering your > > question. > > Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, > like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching > it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are > just too different to have a meaningful discussion. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? > > > > > > In hypnotic language theory > > > > Look, if you're going to start claiming TM is > > hypnosis, forget it. > > I was using a description of the language used. That is how I > understand it's "meaning". It is a specific language form that is > shared by all instructions meant to shift a person's attention. It is > found in meditation instructions and also hypnosis. > > If you feel confident that you are clear on the differences in the > end states fine. I am not pitching my POV, I was answering your > question. Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching it or not. Our understandings of what TM is are just too different to have a meaningful discussion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I wish Lawson were still here. > > > > Invite him back. 50 per week, though. > > What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting to > another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say that I have > been missing him. > I don't know if I dare to ask, but how long have all y'all been talking with each other? Is there much repetition?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> I wish Lawson were still here. > > Invite him back. 50 per week, though. What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting to another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say that I have been missing him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? > > > > In hypnotic language theory > > Look, if you're going to start claiming TM is > hypnosis, forget it. I was using a description of the language used. That is how I understand it's "meaning". It is a specific language form that is shared by all instructions meant to shift a person's attention. It is found in meditation instructions and also hypnosis. If you feel confident that you are clear on the differences in the end states fine. I am not pitching my POV, I was answering your question. I don't believe that scientists know enough about either states to be sure of anything at this point, so I am not saying meditation IS hypnosis. But when it's instructions share the language form I notice it. We do know something about the effect of non specific instructions on people. They fill in their own meaning. > > > it is a non specific instruction. It's > > meaning will be some version of "chill" that the person decides for > > themself. It is better than "relax' which can cause an oppositional > > reflex. > > > > What does it mean for you? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually that isn't the first instruction. The > > > > *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." > > > > > > > > What does that mean? > > > > > > > > I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I > am > > > > rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of > TTC a > > > > pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have really enjoyed > > > > teaching. It was a lot of fun. MMY really did create a mass > > > > produced service that did deliver. Mostly it was the > memorization > > > > which, as you know as a checker was relentless. In fact your > > > > experience as a checker is a perfect background for making > > > > distinctions that I am interested in. > > > > > > For the record, I was never certified as a checker. > > > I did take checker training and was working toward the > > > exam, but something intervened, I can't remember what, > > > and I never took it up again. > > > > > > > I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with > > > > not using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that > > > > perhaps it was going on unconsciously, and I really have no > answer > > > > for that. It could be. But specifically I've just been > sitting, > > > > noticing my breath and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I > > > > remember, I come back to noticing my breath. So sitting easily > is > > > > key. > > > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? I had > > > a comment I wanted to make about TM's uniqueness, and > > > that was kind of my starting point. > > > > > > (Not to dismiss the rest of what you said; I just don't > > > have anything to add to it right now.) > > > > > >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? > > In hypnotic language theory it is a non specific instruction. It's > meaning will be some version of "chill" that the person decides for > themself. It is better than "relax' which can cause an oppositional > reflex. Great definition. After all, the teacher doesn't say what sit easily means. It is nice and undemanding of suggesting someone relax. I agree that telling someone directly to relax often has the opposite effect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? > > In hypnotic language theory Look, if you're going to start claiming TM is hypnosis, forget it. it is a non specific instruction. It's > meaning will be some version of "chill" that the person decides for > themself. It is better than "relax' which can cause an oppositional > reflex. > > What does it mean for you? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Actually that isn't the first instruction. The > > > *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." > > > > > > What does that mean? > > > > > > I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am > > > rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of TTC a > > > pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have really enjoyed > > > teaching. It was a lot of fun. MMY really did create a mass > > > produced service that did deliver. Mostly it was the memorization > > > which, as you know as a checker was relentless. In fact your > > > experience as a checker is a perfect background for making > > > distinctions that I am interested in. > > > > For the record, I was never certified as a checker. > > I did take checker training and was working toward the > > exam, but something intervened, I can't remember what, > > and I never took it up again. > > > > > I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with > > > not using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that > > > perhaps it was going on unconsciously, and I really have no answer > > > for that. It could be. But specifically I've just been sitting, > > > noticing my breath and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I > > > remember, I come back to noticing my breath. So sitting easily is > > > key. > > > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? I had > > a comment I wanted to make about TM's uniqueness, and > > that was kind of my starting point. > > > > (Not to dismiss the rest of what you said; I just don't > > have anything to add to it right now.) > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is > >> ludicrous. > > > > Oh, it most certainly is not ludicrous. I'm sick > > and tired of being pegged as a True Believer because > > I quote something MMY has said in a discussion > > *about* what he has said. I've seen it happen to > > others as well. > > I haven't pegged you as anything I didn't say you had. I gave you a recent example of someone who did. except someone who on occasion > parses endlessly to the point of absurdity. I think it mostly > boils down to not being able to accept at face-value what someone > does say, having to look for hidden meanings, etc. Maybe it's the > editor coming out in you, or possibly the flake coming out in me. Don't see what the relevance of this is. In any > case, I find trying to separate what someone has said from > "what someone has said is true" to be a distinction without > a difference. Oh. So if I quoted Bush claiming there were WMD in Iraq, you'd assume I was saying that was true? Give me a break.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? In hypnotic language theory it is a non specific instruction. It's meaning will be some version of "chill" that the person decides for themself. It is better than "relax' which can cause an oppositional reflex. What does it mean for you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Actually that isn't the first instruction. The > > *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." > > > > What does that mean? > > > > I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am > > rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of TTC a > > pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have really enjoyed > > teaching. It was a lot of fun. MMY really did create a mass > > produced service that did deliver. Mostly it was the memorization > > which, as you know as a checker was relentless. In fact your > > experience as a checker is a perfect background for making > > distinctions that I am interested in. > > For the record, I was never certified as a checker. > I did take checker training and was working toward the > exam, but something intervened, I can't remember what, > and I never took it up again. > > > I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with > > not using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that > > perhaps it was going on unconsciously, and I really have no answer > > for that. It could be. But specifically I've just been sitting, > > noticing my breath and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I > > remember, I come back to noticing my breath. So sitting easily is > > key. > > Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? I had > a comment I wanted to make about TM's uniqueness, and > that was kind of my starting point. > > (Not to dismiss the rest of what you said; I just don't > have anything to add to it right now.) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, authfriend wrote: We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is ludicrous. Oh, it most certainly is not ludicrous. I'm sick and tired of being pegged as a True Believer because I quote something MMY has said in a discussion *about* what he has said. I've seen it happen to others as well. I haven't pegged you as anything except someone who on occasion parses endlessly to the point of absurdity. I think it mostly boils down to not being able to accept at face-value what someone does say, having to look for hidden meanings, etc. Maybe it's the editor coming out in you, or possibly the flake coming out in me. In any case, I find trying to separate what someone has said from "what someone has said is true" to be a distinction without a difference. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> > > > Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri > > > > Vidya sect of Karnataka. > > > > Billy wrote: > Then MMY should publicly say so~! and make it part > of the official TM doctrine regarding, "Origins of the > mantras used by transcendental meditation as founded by MMY". > Billy, you're not making much sense. The mantra of Saraswati comes from the Shankaracharya sect that worships Saraswati. Why do you suppose that they append Saraswati to their name? It is common knowledge that the Shankaracharya tradition of Saraswati Swamis is headqurtered at Sringeri. You DO know what the TM mantra for Saraswati is, right? > > Marshy told me himself that he got my TM mantra from > > his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. It is a fact that > > the TM mantra used by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came > > from the Sri Vidya sect and from his Master, Swami > > Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri, Judy. Where do you > > think the bija mantra for Saraswati would come from if > > not from the Saraswati Dasanamis of Sringeri? > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually that isn't the first instruction. The > *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." > > What does that mean? > > I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am > rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of TTC a > pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have really enjoyed > teaching. It was a lot of fun. MMY really did create a mass > produced service that did deliver. Mostly it was the memorization > which, as you know as a checker was relentless. In fact your > experience as a checker is a perfect background for making > distinctions that I am interested in. For the record, I was never certified as a checker. I did take checker training and was working toward the exam, but something intervened, I can't remember what, and I never took it up again. > I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with > not using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that > perhaps it was going on unconsciously, and I really have no answer > for that. It could be. But specifically I've just been sitting, > noticing my breath and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I > remember, I come back to noticing my breath. So sitting easily is > key. Yeah, but what does it mean to "sit easily"? I had a comment I wanted to make about TM's uniqueness, and that was kind of my starting point. (Not to dismiss the rest of what you said; I just don't have anything to add to it right now.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > I find > > it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out > > with a similar technique to TM. > > > And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except "canned" > parts like "checking" ROTFL!! and mantra selection. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Don’t know about mantra selection, but IMO checking and the 7-steps were a stroke of genius. It was innovative. The problem is whenever you "can" something like this, there's bound to be people who fall thru the cracks. An acharya or a trained guru will have many options for when things go wrong, as in when the wrong mantra leads to problems and the mantra needs changed, etc. Agreed. But just for the record, I’ve “checked” the meditation of a couple of people at Amma events who had been trying to meditate using a mantra she gave them, but resisting thoughts, etc., and it made a huge difference in the quality of their experience. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > I'm mystified by why so many people get confused > > about the difference between "This is what MMY > > says" and "What MMY says is true." > > So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion, he > might feel to be lies or half-truths, but he says it anyway? No, I'm not saying that. Obviously MMY has said a lot of things that don't seem to have been true, but "mistaken" is another possibility. > We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is > ludicrous. Oh, it most certainly is not ludicrous. I'm sick and tired of being pegged as a True Believer because I quote something MMY has said in a discussion *about* what he has said. I've seen it happen to others as well. This discussion was about *whether* he had said anything about the origin of the technique. Some were saying he hadn't. I brought up the essay to point out that in effect, he had, via Domash, in an official and important (to the TMO) publication. And Vaj promptly called me "gullible," when I hadn't said a word about whether I believed the account or not. It's really just a way of avoiding the issue. We see it here all the time. If you diss the person quoting MMY as a TB, then you don't have to actually consider whatever it was MMY had been quoted as saying. Somehow the purported "gullibility" of the person doing the quoting automatically makes whatever they were quoting null and void. I have no idea, and neither does anybody else here, whether what MMY had Domash say in the essay is accurate. It seems *plausible* to me--I haven't heard anybody make any good arguments against it-- but that's it. It's also plausible to me that he made it up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Actually that isn't the first instruction. The *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." What does that mean? I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of TTC a pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have really enjoyed teaching. It was a lot of fun. MMY really did create a mass produced service that did deliver. Mostly it was the memorization which, as you know as a checker was relentless. In fact your experience as a checker is a perfect background for making distinctions that I am interested in. I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with not using the mantra. In past discussions you thought that perhaps it was going on unconsciously, and I really have no answer for that. It could be. But specifically I've just been sitting, noticing my breath and when my mind goes off in a thought,and I remember, I come back to noticing my breath. So sitting easily is key. When I use a mantra that seems similar, although after 18 years my old advanced long ass mantras seem like overkill, so I tend to end up with a shorter version. Since I don't really buy the unique sound theory, I don't really feel the need for the mantra to do what I am looking for. I come out feeling centered and good, just as I remember from TM. I don't feel a need for it regularly, and am not seeking any higher state, but from time to time it is nice to have this tool back in my life as an option. Kind of a ramble, kind of an invitation for experiences. Sitting quietly is something that MMY taught me. Even though he brought me to it with a specific technique, the heart of it is still there without anything much. I appreciate him for that. I am interested to experience this state of quietness without much belief baggage. It doesn't change the experience, which was always innocent, but it changes how I feel about the state of mind it cultivates. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY > > credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But > > even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks > (before > > some of them learned TM) is very similar. I'm really not sure the > > whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless > > practice another. Like the noticing your breath technique that has > > been around forever. That is not a concentration. You just go back > > to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra. > > There's more (or perhaps less) to it than that. > > I wish Lawson were still here. He had a knack for > explaining this succinctly. > > Do you remember the response you were supposed to > give when someone asked why TM couldn't be learned > from a book? "The first instruction is, 'Close the > eyes.'" > > Actually that isn't the first instruction. The > *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." > > What does that mean? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy wrote: > > Yeah, he's not speaking for MMY. > > > Marshy told me himself that he got my TM mantra from > his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. It is a fact that > the TM mantra used by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came > from the Sri Vidya sect and from his Master, Swami > Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri, Judy. Where do you > think the bija mantra for Saraswati would come from if > not from the Saraswati Dasanamis of Sringeri? > > > > Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri > > > Vidya sect of Karnataka. Then MMY should publicly say so~! and make it part of the official TM doctrine regarding, "Origins of the mantras used by transcendental meditation as founded by MMY".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except "canned" parts like "checking" and mantra selection. Don’t know about mantra selection, but IMO checking and the 7-steps were a stroke of genius. It was innovative. The problem is whenever you "can" something like this, there's bound to be people who fall thru the cracks. An acharya or a trained guru will have many options for when things go wrong, as in when the wrong mantra leads to problems and the mantra needs changed, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Dow Jones Dharma Indices....
FW: This is pretty incredible. Did you see the array of people involved? Many in the first category are from UK and US; in the next are more from Japan, Thailand and India; and in the last - most from Asia. There is a Muslim one noted, I didn't see that they do a Christian one. We have a recording of a 2 hour program that we saw on TV called "In the name of God" put together by two brothers who were in the World Trade Center vicinity on 9/11 and began asking themselves questions about how this could happen in the name of God. They visited and spent a day with leaders of many religions - India, China, Japan, the two Muslim sects, the Pope, the heads of the Lutheran, evangelistic Lutheran, Anglicans and Baptist churches. Your "hugger" was one of them. Very interesting. The only one who was scary was the Baptist - that man is so narrow, focused, and feels he is so right - the Jihadists of the Christians. Common themes: - Respect for the humanity of others - Provide structure - something that people seek - Get happiness from the happiness of others - Honesty, contentment, patience Reality - hunger and disease kill far more than terrorists, stated one of the "Christian" leaders. [ editorial: Wars kill far more than terrorists. Think about it, we, the United States, have caused the killing of far more people in Afghanistan and Iraq than terrorists have killed in all the attacks in Europe and the US in 2 decades.] As the show went on they noted the size of each religion's population - also very interesting. Global Population ~ 6 Billion Catholics 1 billion Suni 940 m Shea 120 m Hindu900 m Orthodox350 m Buddhists 340 m Baptists 70 m Lutherans 60 m Evan. Luth 40 m Anglicans?? m (I didn't write it down, but around 30 m as I remember) Sikhs 23 m Jews14 m Not accounted for 2 billion Subject: Dow Jones Dharma Index http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=134246 > <> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Om, how bout a Tao Jones Index of spiritual experience for > spiritual movements, gurus, preachers, llamas, ayatollahs, saints and > spiritual healers, places? >The Tao Jones Index of shakti, for spiritual energy, > experience. Something like a shakti meter of spiritual experience. > Could be sector indexes. Relgions, countries, region, spiritual > practices. > > Gov't of Bhutan apparently has an index of `happiness that they > keep. Being a Buddhist country, would be an index of `no=thing'? > > The Tao Jones Index of Shakti > > Rama Krishna wrote: > > > > Dow Jones Indexes, a leading global index provider, and Dharma > >Investments, a leading private investment firm pioneering the > >development of faith-based investment, today announced the launch of > the Dow Jones Dharma Indexes. The new indexes measure the performance > of companies selected according to the value systems and principles > of Dharmic religions, > >> > > > http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=134246 > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between "This is what MMY says" and "What MMY says is true." So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion, he might feel to be lies or half-truths, but he says it anyway? We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is ludicrous. Apparently not to our Dear Editor.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except "canned" parts like "checking" and mantra selection. Don’t know about mantra selection, but IMO checking and the 7-steps were a stroke of genius. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except "canned" parts like "checking" and mantra selection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Judy wrote: > Yeah, he's not speaking for MMY. > Marshy told me himself that he got my TM mantra from his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. It is a fact that the TM mantra used by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came from the Sri Vidya sect and from his Master, Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri, Judy. Where do you think the bija mantra for Saraswati would come from if not from the Saraswati Dasanamis of Sringeri? > > Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri > > Vidya sect of Karnataka. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fine. But those stones that have touched other peoples skin perhaps for > years, if you resale this you participate in whatever carma these > people have produced. Did you mean 'karma' or, really, 'carma'(pronounced ~'charma')?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
> > All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who > > worship the Tripuransundari and belong to > > the Sri Vidya sect. > > Bhairitu wrote: > Fortunately most people here including Billy > don't take you as a reliable source. > Unfortunately, you didn't post any evidence to counter my comments. In fact, all the Sarasawati Swamis worship Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. There's only one Sri Yantra, Bharat2, associated with the Sri Vidya sect, and that is the Sri Chakra. Do you know what Sri means in Sanskrit? And did you know that Tripuransundari is the object of their devotions? There is no difference between Sri Herself and Saraswati. And like I said, the TM mantra is used in meditation on Sri Vidya - Saraswati. Some tantric you turned out to be!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > On Behalf Of authfriend > > > > , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi > > > told him. > > > > You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it > > before it went to press, do you? > > > > I was there when Domash read it to MMY. > > OK, so my initial statement stands: What Domash > says in the essay is what MMY wanted folks to > understand about the origins of the technique. > > Domash didn't just base it on his understanding > of what MMY told him; he *confirmed* that it was > what MMY wanted to have said. If what you say is true it has great merit, though it needs to be incorporated in a more public way as TM doctrine. It probably will in the near future as this issue becomes more relevant to the tmorg as it consolidates its teachings into an integrated whole, now that all has been said and done!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between "This is what MMY says" and "What MMY says is true." So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion, he might feel to be lies or half-truths, but he says it anyway? We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is ludicrous. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
Sorry, Feste. He's one of my favorite American poets. Truly great. Thanks for posting it. - Original Message From: feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:01:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris Actually, it was me who posted that poem by Wallace Stevens. I only wish I had written it myself. As for Bevan's letter, he has a weakness for the word "very"; he has always had it, as long as I can remember. It's a kind of verbal tic, aimed at making things sound impressive, but only succeeding in blowing them up like a balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close. You know that. You posted a fabulous poem. > > - Original Message > From: ruthsimplicity > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:27:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Dear All: > > > > > > > > > > > > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and > > all > > > is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of > > Rajas > > > from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very > > well! > > > Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have > > ever > > > experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > OK, I am sick of this. For once, can't they say exactly what is going > > on using plain English? > > > > If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi > > told him. > > You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it > before it went to press, do you? > > I was there when Domash read it to MMY. It still hardly constitutes as TM doctrine, does it!!? So you see the controversy has already begun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Behalf Of authfriend > > , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi > > told him. > > You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it > before it went to press, do you? > > I was there when Domash read it to MMY. OK, so my initial statement stands: What Domash says in the essay is what MMY wanted folks to understand about the origins of the technique. Domash didn't just base it on his understanding of what MMY told him; he *confirmed* that it was what MMY wanted to have said. Whether Domash or Purusha or Mother Divine or you or Vaj or I believes the account approved by MMY is irrelevant to the issue of what the story is according to MMY. I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between "This is what MMY says" and "What MMY says is true."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
Darth Vader: Your powers are weak, old man. Obi-Wan: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear All: > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and > all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress > of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is > going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most > profound I have ever experienced, powerful > silence like a silver galactic ocean. Jai Guru Dev Dr. Bevan Morris > > Kinda has that Kremlin feel just before they would start playing the > sober music indicating the passing of the President. Up until then, > everyone was always Going Well! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > It already *is* in the record. > > > > > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > > > this forum lately?? > > > > Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! > > Reading comprehensio and intelligence are two different > things. And it's not just you, by a long shot. You could improve on your spelling...(Hey, that's the second time!) But thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I wish Lawson were still here. Invite him back. 50 per week, though. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi > told him. You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it before it went to press, do you? I was there when Domash read it to MMY. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
I don't know about many of these, but I can tell you for sure that Bevan Morris never said, "come to FF or a nuclear war will start." He is not stupid. He chose his words carefully. I remember it well. Some people did get the wrong idea, along the lines of what you "quote," and spread it around, and Bevan specifically and in public asked them to call all the people they had told this to and tell them they had been mistaken -- that they had got the message wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about: > > "Children who get their walking mantra at 5 years old, sitting > technique at 10 years old, will be enlightened by 18 years old." > > "TM initiators should think only two years for them to get to CC." > > "Bevan: come to FF or a nuclear war will start." > > "Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment" > > "The work is done." > > It all sounds like "Mission Accomplished" to me. > > Er, now, that is. Before, it was buttah. > > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > Then there was the cancelling of the ATR credit. Wasn't that a sort of > > pledge? > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: > 1/18/2008 > > 7:32 PM > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
Actually, it was me who posted that poem by Wallace Stevens. I only wish I had written it myself. As for Bevan's letter, he has a weakness for the word "very"; he has always had it, as long as I can remember. It's a kind of verbal tic, aimed at making things sound impressive, but only succeeding in blowing them up like a balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close. You know that. You posted a fabulous poem. > > - Original Message > From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:27:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Dear All: > > > > > > > > > > > > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and > > all > > > is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of > > Rajas > > > from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very > > well! > > > Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have > > ever > > > experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > OK, I am sick of this. For once, can't they say exactly what is going > > on using plain English? > > > > If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
I learned in 1946, but I had my teacher's daily and undivided attention after that (since I was his only student) until I was twelve years old, and the technique is VERY simple, after all. Then I met the man again when I was seventeen. I remember very clearly. Have you forgotten how you were instructed after what-- thirty, forty years of daily practice? - Original Message From: authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:41:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in 1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same as what I got with TM. Unfortunately, just asserting it was "exactly the same" doesn't make it so (especially at a distance of, what, 60-some years). Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
Sorry Nablusoss. Others call you that, and I should not have presumed. I still don't get what you're talking about though with the stones. What stones? - Original Message From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:43:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Nabby. I make my own clothes, always have, so no problem. Who are you to "Nabby" me ? Carry on, as you always have, taking no advice from anyone ! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY > credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But > even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before > some of them learned TM) is very similar. I'm really not sure the > whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless > practice another. Like the noticing your breath technique that has > been around forever. That is not a concentration. You just go back > to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra. There's more (or perhaps less) to it than that. I wish Lawson were still here. He had a knack for explaining this succinctly. Do you remember the response you were supposed to give when someone asked why TM couldn't be learned from a book? "The first instruction is, 'Close the eyes.'" Actually that isn't the first instruction. The *very* first instruction is, "Sit easily." What does that mean?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Nabby. I make my own clothes, always have, so no problem. Who are you to "Nabby" me ? Carry on, as you always have, taking no advice from anyone !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in 1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same as what I got with TM. Unfortunately, just asserting it was "exactly the same" doesn't make it so (especially at a distance of, what, 60-some years).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
What are you talking about Nabby? - Original Message From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:33:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take too long. I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always exactly what I want. Do you have a problem with that? It was very odd for people in China that a professor at a university was making her own clothes. I also design and make my own jewelry. Made a living once selling that stuff in art galleries in Ohio and PA. Fine. But those stones that have touched other peoples skin perhaps for years, if you resale this you participate in whatever carma these people have produced. It's your joy or demise, make a choise. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Behalf Of BillyG. > "authfriend" wrote: > > > It already *is* in the record. > > > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > > this forum lately?? > > Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any > rate, I think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to > support its origin. > > What work? He just wrote an introduction to the first edition of > the collected papers That work, of course. , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi > told him. You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it before it went to press, do you? > You can read an excerpt from it at Which doesn't tell you much, in terms of the issue being discussed here. But you can read the entire first half--which *does*--at the URL I provided. Here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/34bras HYPERLINK > "http://www.learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm"ht tp://www > .learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm and you can buy it at > http://www.antiqbook.de/boox/haker/192507.shtml.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take too long. I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always exactly what I want. Do you have a problem with that? It was very odd for people in China that a professor at a university was making her own clothes. I also design and make my own jewelry. Made a living once selling that stuff in art galleries in Ohio and PA. Fine. But those stones that have touched other peoples skin perhaps for years, if you resale this you participate in whatever carma these people have produced. It's your joy or demise, make a choise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
Yes, it seems silly.I like making clothes, but it's also an Edg-type issue for me. I would feel bad in expensive clothing, and cheap clothing from Walmart is not an option for me since I have seen the very young Chinese girls and how much they suffer to make those things for us. But it's a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation until enough of us refuse to profit from the suffering of others. - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:49:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take too long. I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always exactly what I want. Do you have a problem with that? No problem at all. I think it is cool that you make your own clothes. My comment had to do with the karma issue and whether used clothes carry the karma of the prior wearer. Which bugs the heck out of me. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:44 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Except that these weren't the promises Feste was > > referring to. He was responding specifically to > > this from Edg: > > > > "And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all > > of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, > > loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, > > ancient, and enlightened?" > > Well you be the judge, Judy. (Hey, Judge Judy! Must have > been a freudian slip.) When you think of the present-day TMO > (and even the one years back) do the words "honest, wise and > loving," immediately leap to mind? :) Nope, but that wasn't the point...
[FairfieldLife] Ordering Uncounted DVD copies in a group
For anyone interested in getting their own copy of Uncounted, Dori Ahern is putting together a group order. If you are interested email or phone her -- see email message below with email address and phone at the bottom. Sorry, this is just for Fairfield folks, as the order will be shipped here. I already have about 6 orders from people interested in pooling with me to buy the dvd Uncounted. Let me know if anyone on your email list expresses interest to you. I only need 3 more people to order a 10 pack. It will cost 18.10 for each copy including shipping. vs 19.95 plus 10.00 shipping if bought separately. Thank you so much for your work, dori ahern HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 203 815-2263 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > It already *is* in the record. > > > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > > this forum lately?? > > Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! Reading comprehensio and intelligence are two different things. And it's not just you, by a long shot.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It already *is* in the record. > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > this forum lately?? Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any rate, I think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to support its origin. What work? He just wrote an introduction to the first edition of the collected papers, which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi told him. You can read an excerpt from it at HYPERLINK "http://www.learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm"http://www .learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm and you can buy it at http://www.antiqbook.de/boox/haker/192507.shtml. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Thanks to Maharishi, Oh, and the tmorg....
..my friend calls Guru Dev his Param-Guru, and I tell him. MMY isn't a *Guru* so how could Guru Dev be your Param-Guru? (Guru's guru) A Guru is a very special relationship that a Sat-Guru (true realized Guru) takes on until his chela/disciple reaches enlightenment, and Guru's NEVER RETIRE!! MMY IS NOT A GURU! That's OK, but let the truth be known! TM is a simple technique MMY gleaned from the Vedic traditions of India, it's not meant to replace Religion (but has unfortunately for many). It's only *one part* of a greater program for Self-unfoldment (Yoga) as prescribed by the renowned Maharishi Patanjali of India. It was originally a part of the hoary Vedas and Religion of India! It doesn't exist in a vacuum, but is sold as if it is a COMPLETE system of unfoldment leading people to abandon Religion and other forms of Self-discipline! What MMY has omitted from the overall teachings of TM has been done in a deliberate and calculating manner in order to dress up TM for modern Society and pander particularly to the scientific community. There's is nothing wrong with any of this, the only thing that is wrong is its duplicity, basically it's dishonest! That is MMY's decision and karma, I have benefited from it but that doesn't make me a dummy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There Will Be Blood
mainstream20016 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I saw this yesterday and it is now at the top of my list for film of the >> year. This adaptation of Upton Sinclair's "Oil!" is well worth seeing. >> Daniel Day-Lewis is outstanding as the lead character. He must have >> studied John Huston for the role as he sounds like him throughout. This >> film is a great indictment of capitalism and greedy buttheads that >> exploit it. >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/ >> >> > > > > There Will Be Blood is receiving positive press. It is released in art house > venues, and thus > unless it proves to have incredible audience response, will have minimal > impact. I saw it > last week, and was disappointed. The cinematography and audio was > illustrative of the > stamina and determination necessary to succeed in the mining process; most of > the first > quarter of the movie was devoid of dialogue. The cinematography and audio > captures the incredible struggles and grueling demands of mininggreat > suspense build-up in the > mining scenes throughout the movie. > > However, with the early visual and sound excellence as a precursor, I was > very > disappointed with so many of the scenes that had dialogue. Listen closely, > and you will > hear monotonous, flat volume expressions that remind you of locally produced > television > commercials.. the expressions of the characters are strained > I thought I was > watching a small-town stage production that was filmed and put to screen. > Awful. > > Trying to reconcile the high recommendations for this film of quality > cinematography and > the dreadful dialogue performances, I am somewhat at a loss why the film is > highly > recommended. In one lay review, the movie 'Raging Bull' was mentioned. In > no way will > this movie approximate the contribution of 'Raging Bull'. In that movie, the > arc of > character development was complete. In TWBB, all we see is a character - > monotonously > the same throughout, except for his changing into better and better coats of > teflon that > deflect any karmic letters he is due. Quite discouraging. > Whatever floats your boat. Daniel Day-Lewis already won a Golden Globe for his performance. I thought the film was a masterpiece and the best Paul Thomas Anderson film to date. Maybe you saw it in a bad theater. I saw it in one of Cinemark's Cinearts theaters in this case a "dome" theater so the presentation was excellent and could have only been better if my local DLP theater was showing it. Day-Lewis did an excellent job of suspending belief and engaging the audience in the character. Anderson was wise to not use any of the usual A-list actors who would have broken that suspension of belief (Scorcese's "Aviator" comes to mind where you kept thinking "there's so and so playing .."). Of course the film is important for our times because it dramatizes how ruthless some entrepreneurs can be (which was Upton Sinclair's point). They still are that way and are responsible for the coming collapse of the US economy (as well as our politicians who were buy protecting government and big business and not the people). That, I predict, will cause a HARD pendulum swing to socialism where even small business may be banned (which would be bad -- just reign in the big guys). Living in California I think some of the quirky laws here for small business were overkill going back to the "Sinclairites" who won office. I did make it to "Cloverfield" yesterday going early enough to have my choice of seats in the theater.It is of course a B-movie done by the folks who do "Lost". I enjoyed the film as a good modern "monster destroys a city" film shot with the conceit of a 20 something with his consumer camcorder (and not a cellphone as some reviewers have mentioned). Of course no consumer camcorder is that good and though the Panavision Genesis is credited on IMDB some say the handheld was done with the Red small camera (a professional single CCD camera). That's believable as a Genesis is a little large to use in tight quarters. I would say that about 1/3 of the audience stomped out disappointed in the film. I think they expect a more "cliche" movie but that's just the ignorance of the masses and good film makers are moving away from such cliches.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close. You know that. You posted a fabulous poem. > What he is saying reminds me of Chevy Chase saying "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead, but his condition is stable." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Dear All: > > > > > > > > > > > > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and > > all > > > is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of > > Rajas > > > from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very > > well! > > > Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have > > ever > > > experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > OK, I am sick of this. For once, can't they say exactly what is going > > on using plain English? > > > > If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take too long. I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always exactly what I want. Do you have a problem with that? No problem at all. I think it is cool that you make your own clothes. My comment had to do with the karma issue and whether used clothes carry the karma of the prior wearer. Which bugs the heck out of me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Right on, you "get it." curtisdeltablues wrote: > I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY > credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But > even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before > some of them learned TM) is very similar. I'm really not sure the > whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless > practice another. Like the noticing your breath technique that has > been around forever. That is not a concentration. You just go back > to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra. I find > it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out > with a similar technique to TM. It may be that out of a monastic > setting the "chill out" aspect needs more reinforcement. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >>> On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: > We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to > understand, at least, about the origins of the method, > from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of > the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having > decided that the traditional teaching methods for > mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate > effortless transcending. > >> It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work >> that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself >> proclaims, "I discovered it myself!!" :-) >> >> At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a >> tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we >> don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was, >> to my knowledge.) >> >> >> "Maharishi felt >> confident that this must in fact be the very same practice >> referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to >> that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the >> understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure >> consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an >> arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over- >> emphasize the importance of this discovery," >> >> > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take too long. I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always exactly what I want. Do you have a problem with that? It was very odd for people in China that a professor at a university was making her own clothes. I also design and make my own jewelry. Made a living once selling that stuff in art galleries in Ohio and PA. - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:30:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Nabby. I make my own clothes, always have, so no problem. > > You grow your own cotton or wool? You spin your own cloth? Where are the lines to be drawn? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close. You know that. You posted a fabulous poem. - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:27:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris - > Dear All: > > > > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all > is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas > from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well! > Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever > experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > OK, I am sick of this. For once, can't they say exactly what is going on using plain English? If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Dear All: The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. (And in order to get the latest and best darshan from our beloved MMY, please make out your check for $__ and send it immediately to my personal offshore account. We also take Mastercard, Visa, Paypal, etc...Hurry! Limited time offer. ) Jai Guru Dev Dr. Bevan Morris Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Nabby. I make my own clothes, always have, so no problem. > > You grow your own cotton or wool? You spin your own cloth? Where are the lines to be drawn?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's another way of looking at that, Lurk. snip One post is usually all it takes. A little dab'll do ya. It's true.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:44 PM, authfriend wrote: Except that these weren't the promises Feste was referring to. He was responding specifically to this from Edg: "And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, and enlightened?" Well you be the judge, Judy. (Hey, Judge Judy! Must have been a freudian slip.) When you think of the present-day TMO (and even the one years back) do the words "honest, wise and loving," immediately leap to mind? :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
- > Dear All: > > > > The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all > is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas > from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well! > Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever > experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > OK, I am sick of this. For once, can't they say exactly what is going on using plain English? If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
Dear All: The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. Jai Guru Dev Dr. Bevan Morris Kinda has that Kremlin feel just before they would start playing the sober music indicating the passing of the President. Up until then, everyone was always Going Well!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It already *is* in the record. > > What's with the lack of reading comprehension on > this forum lately?? Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any rate, I think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to support its origin. I wouldn't really say it's a part of the official teaching of the TMorg. however. Long after MMY has passed and Larry Domash is forgotten it will still have a cloud hanging over its origins, since MMY HIMSELF hasn't bothered to put it in to the record with his own words as official doctrine of the TMorg, without that it will always have a cloud hanging over its origins. Even an acknowledgement by MMY of the veracity of Domash's work pertaining to this essential element of the tmorg's beginnings should be essential to clear up any remaining confusion about this important (to the tmorg) foundation!! It's obvious very few people know where TM came from by the ignorance expressed just on this forum, thanks to MMY and the TMorg poorly substantiating this essential record for posterity!! Mark my words most people probably think TM came from SBS. MMY needs to tell everybody that he IS NOT a Guru and there is NO parampara...it's OK, it's the truth! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Don't you love it, Edg? It's so elevated. We are all there is. I'll go down to being a typhus bacterium on that flea's pecker to cheers from Judy. - Original Message From: Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:17:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years) Just so we're all clear, at this point in the conversation, a woman with multiple PhDs is asking if she can reincarnate as a blood sucking insect that resides on the area immediately surrounding the anus of a rodent that once was a troll that is now Rick's next incarnation' s bitch? Just so we're all on the same page. Continue. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > Can I be a flea on your rat's ass? > > - Original Message > From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM > Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? > (Bill Clinton's presidential years) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as > stated earlier. > > > No. the other way around. You have to be the wife. > > > What can > > I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be a female rat? Want to open a French > restaurant? (See http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0382932/ ) > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Just so we're all clear, at this point in the conversation, a woman with multiple PhDs is asking if she can reincarnate as a blood sucking insect that resides on the area immediately surrounding the anus of a rodent that once was a troll that is now Rick's next incarnation's bitch? Just so we're all on the same page. Continue. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can I be a flea on your rat's ass? > > - Original Message > From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM > Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? > (Bill Clinton's presidential years) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as > stated earlier. > > > No. the other way around. You have to be the wife. > > > What can > > I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be a female rat? Want to open a French > restaurant? (See http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0382932/ ) > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in 1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same as what I got with TM. - Original Message From: BillyG. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:07:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to > > > understand, at least, about the origins of the method, > > > from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of > > > the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having > > > decided that the traditional teaching methods for > > > mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate > > > effortless transcending. It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself proclaims, "I discovered it myself!!" :-) At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was, to my knowledge.) "Maharishi felt confident that this must in fact be the very same practice referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over- emphasize the importance of this discovery," Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before some of them learned TM) is very similar. I'm really not sure the whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless practice another. Like the noticing your breath technique that has been around forever. That is not a concentration. You just go back to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra. I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. It may be that out of a monastic setting the "chill out" aspect needs more reinforcement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to > > > > understand, at least, about the origins of the method, > > > > from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of > > > > the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having > > > > decided that the traditional teaching methods for > > > > mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate > > > > effortless transcending. > > > It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work > that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself > proclaims, "I discovered it myself!!" :-) > > At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a > tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we > don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was, > to my knowledge.) > > > "Maharishi felt > confident that this must in fact be the very same practice > referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to > that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the > understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure > consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an > arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over- > emphasize the importance of this discovery," >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Can I be a flea on your rat's ass? - Original Message From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years) From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years) Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as stated earlier. No. the other way around. You have to be the wife. What can I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. Will you be a female rat? Want to open a French restaurant? (See http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0382932/ ) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
