[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[seekliberation]

I saw the movie.  Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO.  Regarding left 
wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that 
liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 
'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise.  The indegenous people in 
Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a 
very dangerous environment.  Even the women were rather aggressive and able to 
hunt and fight.  The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is 
because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest 
members and pass tests of fearlessness.  Otherwise they would've looked at 
anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture.  Dances with 
Wolves followed a similar pattern.  If there is anything I get from either of 
those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, 
basically a yin/yang concept.  An absence of one or the other is incomplete.

seekliberation



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
> > 
> > Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms
> > 
> > By Patrick Goldstein
> 
> It's interesting that Mr. Goldstein doesn't seem to have
> picked up on the outrage of many *liberals* at what they
> perceive as the film's distinctly racist undertones. (Some
> have also suggested that it's sexist and has a bad 
> attitude toward the disabled. One blogger insisted the
> film wasn't anti-military, it was anti-*mercenary*,
> pointing out that other films of Cameron's--"Aliens" and
> "The Abyss"-- have actually exalted the regular military.)
> 
> I thought I remembered someone here mentioning the racist
> aspect--Shemp, perhaps--but I can't locate the post.
> 
> Anyway, here's a few examples (among many) of criticism
> from the left:
> 
> http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/intentions-be-damned-avatar-is-racist.html
> http://tinyurl.com/yer2mb5
> 
> http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-race-and-racialism-in-avatar.html
> http://tinyurl.com/yhswhed
> 
> http://globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avatar-racism-misogyny-and-disabled-prejudice/#more-3534
> http://tinyurl.com/yf3mefk
> 
> http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar
> http://tinyurl.com/ybshwoy
> 
> CAVEAT FOR THE FEEBLE-MINDED: Barry will, of course, rush
> to claim I'm reviewing a movie I haven't seen. Those with
> a few brain cells to rub together, however, will note that
> I have not expressed an opinion. I just find it curious
> that Mr. Goldstein seems to be aware only of criticism of
> the film from the right.
>

[FairfieldLife] I'm new here.

[Becky]

I just had to inject in this group people will judge me.
They always do,many do.That's ok it leaves more for questions,and with the open 
minded questions can contribute to others and then hence forth knowledge 
eventually leads towards wisdom.

I LOVED,LOVED the flick Avatar,it spoke to me in many levels spirtually,as 
Dances with Wolves had,it justr had "BETTER" IMAX 3-D imaging. But a good 
storyline.I gave it 4 stars. It will sink any movie ever in the History of 
mankind ever!!! It took 4 yrs to make!!!

The"I see you",really got me way down emtionally.Like the ending of Dances with 
Wolves had when the angry indian says,"you are the wind in my hair,you are the 
smile on the clouds,etc I cry everytime!
Same goes with the ending og the movie,Ghost. I was seventeen when I saw 
it,with a guy. I tryed to find a guy to make me"love myself."
I had oodles of men,but not what I wanted,and it was always sex.

Sorry I'm being very honest here,and I am really trying to make a valid point 
here.I did not my own idenity until I was twenty eight.
I used to be a Christain for many,many yrs. I was"TAUGHT" to be so.
I am now a proud pagan,not witch.

Look up this site before even passing judgement ok-www.witchvox.com
Look up www.ravengramassi.com. I WILL NOT TALK TO ANY BIBLE THUMPERS AT ALL 
Ok,gotta go. ~ Blessed Be ~

[FairfieldLife] ok rude saying-do not post any pics on here.

[Becky]

That was really rude

[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
 wrote:
>
> The 'Maharishi Effect' establishes a new formula for the
> creation of an ideal society, free from crime and problems.

Might I point out that "establishing a formula"
does not make that formula true, or make it have
anything to do with reality?

For example, I could "establish a formula" for
recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows:

-Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS

where

Jv = a temporary "Judy victim," someone who buys
her pretense of being an "authority" about anything
to the point that they believe she's worth debating
something with.

-Jv = When one of these "Judy victims" comes to his
or her senses and realizes she isn't worth wasting
spit on, much less time.

Jphh = Judy publicly humiliates herself by throwing
tantrums and trying anything she can think of to
taunt or insult the former "Judy victim" back *into*
debating with her.

JMSBS = Judy Must Stalk Barry Syndrome.

In layman's language, the formula states that every
time someone gets suckered into a "debate" with Judy
and then figures out she's a nutcase and not worth
their time, she goes crazy and embarrasses herself
publicly trying to "get them back," but then when
she can't, she increases her hatred of the dreaded
Barry tenfold, blames him for it, and increases her
stalking and demonizing of him by a similar factor
of ten.

I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical
evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula
in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex,
and now Richard, to name only three) than there is
or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect "formula."

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Becky"  wrote:
>
> I just had to inject in this group people will judge me.
> They always do,many do.

While I welcome you and appreciate your comments
about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be
a more graceful way to introduce yourself than,
"Hi. I'm new here. Many of you are going to judge
me and beat me up and condemn me like everyone 
else has done in my whole life. I expect it."

Seems to me that you're working out a "self fulfilling
prophecy" thang here.

How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an 
opinion about something and seeing what reaction 
it gets, without trying to "pre-program" what 
that reaction might be? 

It is my experience that those who feel the need
to announce that they are pagans within seconds
of meeting them are *hoping* for a bad reaction
and some kind of "persecution." If that's *not*
what you're looking for, you might consider
starting over.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> I saw the movie.  Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO.  Regarding 
> left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd 
> that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities 
> that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise.  The indegenous 
> people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh 
> life in a very dangerous environment.  Even the women were rather aggressive 
> and able to hunt and fight.  The only reason it seemed possible to gain their 
> respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with 
> their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness.  Otherwise they 
> would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their 
> culture.  Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern.  If there is 
> anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect 
> for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept.  An absence of one or 
> the other is incomplete.
> 
> seekliberation


If it wasn't for the fabulous graphics "Avatar" would be yet another boring 
"boy meets girl" Hollywood film.

It's not surprising that right-wingers don't like it; the once so strong 
american warmachine was destroyed by tribes using bow and arrow and flying on 
monsters. And their belowed capitalism was rejected took a blow. Perhaps they 
somehow know what is coming; the global collapse of capitalism, just like 
Maharishi predicted.

[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 wrote:

> For example, I could "establish a formula" for
> recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows:
> 
> -Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS
> 
> I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical
> evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula
> in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex,
> and now Richard, to name only three) than there is
> or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect "formula."

;-)

>From the point of view of my interest in Popper that's
a very good specimen of a conjecture. It exemplifies
everything that Popper would approve of as "good science":

1) It is a bold conjecture that rules out precise, specific
situations. In other words it possesses high "information
content"

2) It is open to critical tests and falsification. Someone
merely needs to perform some data mining to look for "NOT
(10 * JMSBS)" when both -Jv + Jphh are true. 

To be fair I think you have made the conjecture a little
TOO bold. It would be reasonable to set a probability value
on the theory, otherwise just one falsifying instance
will damn what is probably a promising research programme.

Can you release your calculations for the factor
of 10? I do hope your policy on transparency is more
liberal than those chaps who are now in trouble at Hadley CRU!

Suffering as we do from our contemporary hubris it's easy to
forget that we "stand on the shoulders of giants". And the
ancients, as well as analysing scenarios with lions and
crumbs, also gave us a taxonomy of valid forms of reasoning 
(such that will never get us from true premisses to false 
conclusions). 

So we have "modus ponens" and "modus tollens" respectively:

If P then Q; P; Therefore Q
"If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
"Bevan is in his bath"
The water will rise

If P then Q; Not Q; Therefore Not P
"If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
"The water level has not risen"
Bevan is not in his bath

But logicians, like geeks everywhere, enjoy a little "in joke" 
(preferably in Latin), and so we have the howler "modus morons":

If P then Q; Q; Therefore P
"If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
"The water has risen"
Therefore Bevan is in his bath

With that out the way, it is instructive to compare your 
excellent specimen of a scientific conjecture with...what? I 
dunno, how about "global warming" (aka "climate change")? 

"If CO2 AGW is true the glaciers will melt"
"A glacier is melting"
Therefore CO2 AGW is true

Could it be that you ever see that form of argument ("modus 
morons" deployed these days? Surely not! It would likely have 
Popper turning in his grave, eh?

Or does it get worse? 

"If P then either Q or Not Q"
"Q or Not Q"
Therefore P

I'm thinking of headlines such as "extreme heat evidence of 
climate change say scientists" and "extreme cold evidence of 
climate change". Surely not, eh?

BEIJING: Freak snowstorms and record low temperatures sweeping 
northern China are linked to global warming, say Chinese 
officials.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/china-blames-freak-storm-on-
global-warming-20100104-lq6t.html

If it's cold in Peru, it's global warming
http://faustasblog.com/?p=17820

[FairfieldLife] Y2K 2.0

[PaliGap]

"Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: "An
issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection
Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition
content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31,
2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'.""

...

"El Reg thanks our contact who said this incident: 'Reminds
me of your recent article about cheap and dirty Y2K bug fixes
where some unscrupulous programmers put in a simple
if <10 = 20xx otherwise the date is 19xx.' Indeed."

Perhaps the IT industry has missed a trick here? Couldn't
we have had a *scare* about the fix so as to encourage another
tranche of consultancy fees?  

That would have served a double purpose: As the experts
appear to think that the way out of our current economic
woes is to splurge money, wouldn't this have been a useful
cover for a form of Quantitative Easing? (Come to think of
it, couldn't we ALL get rich by simply paying each other to
take in each other's washing?)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/symantec_y2k10_bug/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Y2K 2.0

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> "Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: "An
> issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection
> Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition
> content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31,
> 2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'.""
> 

Blimey, and now I see this! Are we doomed? Did we neglect
our "precautionary principle"?

"A delayed Y2K bug has bitten hard at some 30 million
holders of German debit and credit cards, making it
impossible for them to use automatic teller machines
and point-of-sale terminals since New Year's Day."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/year_2010_payment_card_bug/

[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
>  wrote:
> >
> > For example, I could "establish a formula" for
> > recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows:
> > 
> > -Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS
> > 
> > I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical
> > evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula
> > in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex,
> > and now Richard, to name only three) than there is
> > or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect "formula."
> 
> ;-)
> 
> From the point of view of my interest in Popper that's
> a very good specimen of a conjecture. It exemplifies
> everything that Popper would approve of as "good science":
> 
> 1) It is a bold conjecture that rules out precise, specific
> situations. In other words it possesses high "information
> content"
> 
> 2) It is open to critical tests and falsification. Someone
> merely needs to perform some data mining to look for "NOT
> (10 * JMSBS)" when both -Jv + Jphh are true. 
> 
> To be fair I think you have made the conjecture a little
> TOO bold. It would be reasonable to set a probability value
> on the theory, otherwise just one falsifying instance
> will damn what is probably a promising research programme.
> 
> Can you release your calculations for the factor
> of 10? I do hope your policy on transparency is more
> liberal than those chaps who are now in trouble at Hadley CRU!

Certainly. Transparency 'r us. 

I used the same methodology employed by those
who created the Maharishi Effect formula. I
just made it up.

> Suffering as we do from our contemporary hubris it's easy to
> forget that we "stand on the shoulders of giants". And the
> ancients, as well as analysing scenarios with lions and
> crumbs, also gave us a taxonomy of valid forms of reasoning 
> (such that will never get us from true premisses to false 
> conclusions). 
> 
> So we have "modus ponens" and "modus tollens" respectively:
> 
> If P then Q; P; Therefore Q
> "If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
> "Bevan is in his bath"
> The water will rise
> 
> If P then Q; Not Q; Therefore Not P
> "If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
> "The water level has not risen"
> Bevan is not in his bath
> 
> But logicians, like geeks everywhere, enjoy a little "in joke" 
> (preferably in Latin), and so we have the howler "modus morons":
> 
> If P then Q; Q; Therefore P
> "If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise"
> "The water has risen"
> Therefore Bevan is in his bath
> 
> With that out the way, it is instructive to compare your 
> excellent specimen of a scientific conjecture with...what? I 
> dunno, how about "global warming" (aka "climate change")? 
> 
> "If CO2 AGW is true the glaciers will melt"
> "A glacier is melting"
> Therefore CO2 AGW is true
> 
> Could it be that you ever see that form of argument ("modus 
> morons" deployed these days? Surely not! It would likely have 
> Popper turning in his grave, eh?

It might. Repeatedly. Popper might be a veritable
popover.

Me, since I don't claim to know the Truth about
much of anything, much less AGW, I prefer a 
slightly different conjecture:

If glaciers are melting
the water levels will rise
Glaciers (and icecaps) are melting
the water levels are rising
I live in a beach town that could 
someday resemble Venice

The only "dependency" in my conjecture is the
water levels of the oceans rising, which seems
to be happening. It doesn't matter to me whether
the cause of this water level rising is AGW
or Bevan splashing around with a rubber ducky
in some cosmic bathtub; they're rising. As
picturesque as Venice is, I don't look forward
to having to take a gondola to the supermarket.

[FairfieldLife] The Most Useless Machine Ever

[PaliGap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4&feature=player_embedded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized

[dhamiltony2k5]

Well, writing as a conservative meditator from experience, as the case may be 
the case does matter.

This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously heartfelt, but Dear 
Turq;
 is also way more than that. Just is.  I pray you can sit with it some more.  
Nice rant.  It was a joy to read.
-D in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized

[dhamiltony2k5]

> Nice rant.  It was a joy to read.
> -D in FF
>

Is a great rant really.  The punctuation thing evidently goes way back
in human experience.  & an opportunity of
a lifetime to discern it.

"Know thy '(S)elf'"

Remember these?

B.Gita

Let a man raise his self by his Self,
let him not debase his Self; he alone, indeed, is his own friend, he alone his 
own enemy.
V.I5

That state in which thought,
settled through the practice of Yoga,
retires, in which seeing the Self by 
the Self alone, he finds contentment
in the Self. VI.20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously 
> heartfelt, but Dear Turq; is also way more than that. Just is.  
> I pray you can sit with it some more. Nice rant. It was a joy 
> to read.

Careful, dude. You know the olde saying:
"Say something complimentary about Barry 
and wind up on the Enemies List."

:-)

Original rant (for the convenience of the
person who is now going to feel compelled 
to dump on it):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/237892

As for "sitting with it," it was just a 
cafe rant, dude...so yesterday. Or last
Saturday, actually...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized

[dhamiltony2k5]

> 
> 
> > Nice rant.  It was a joy to read.
> > -D in FF
> >
> 
> Is a great rant really.  The punctuation thing evidently goes way back
> in human experience.  & an opportunity of
> a lifetime to discern it.
> 
> "Know thy '(S)elf'"
> 
> Remember these?
> 
> B.Gita
> 
> Let a man raise his self by his Self,
> let him not debase his Self; he alone, indeed, is his own friend, he alone 
> his own enemy.
> VI.5
> 
> That state in which thought,
> settled through the practice of Yoga,
> retires, in which seeing the Self by 
> the Self alone, he finds contentment
> in the Self. VI.20
>

Let him gradually retire through
the intellect possessed of patience;
having established the mind in the
Self, let him not think at all. VI.25

For the supreme happiness comes to the
yogi whose mind is deep in peace,
in whom the spur to activity is stilled,
who is without blemish and has become
one with cosmic consciousness.  VI.27

is Science like.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Y2K 2.0

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:42 AM, PaliGap  wrote:
> "Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: "An
> issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection
> Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition
> content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31,
> 2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'.""
>
> ...
>
> "El Reg thanks our contact who said this incident: 'Reminds
> me of your recent article about cheap and dirty Y2K bug fixes
> where some unscrupulous programmers put in a simple
> if <10 = 20xx otherwise the date is 19xx.' Indeed."
>

This was not a trick.  Oracle Corporation and many other companies
have an RR datatype, accepting only a two digit year and spiting out a
four digit year using the inequality you mentioned.  But the plot
thickens.  There are devices which don't work because the space
allocated for the year was a nibble (4 bits).  You can fit 0 to 15 in
4 bits.  Microsoft coded up some of its products using a nibble for
the year.  Everybody assumes that this code or these devices won't be
around as long as they stick around.

There's major spam filtering software which has been bitten by the
year 2010 bug, resulting in all email being held or destroyed as spam.

---
There are 10 people in the world:  those who understand binary and
those who don't.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Mike Dixon]

That's age discrimination! We need more older cops to chase down those 
criminals, maybe even some handicapped cops! How many cops have you seen on the 
beat in a wheel chair?





From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 6:00:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

  
Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep criminalizing things that 
shouldn't be so they can fill prisons and build new ones. We need to 
stand up against this. And they keep hiring really dumb young cops so 
they can get the senior ones to retire early (cheaper on the pension 
funds). And those aggressive cops are the ones who often go gung ho 
with tasers.

Mike Dixon wrote:
> Ii bet crime is over reported so we can hire more police and build more 
> prisons also!
>
>
>
>
>  _ _ __
> From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 1:49:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
>
> 
> WillyTex wrote:
> 
>> "Right-wingers want to know why the 
>> underpants bomber wasn't hauled off 
>> the plane and waterboarded! "
>>
>> 'Right-wingers' aren't the only ones 
>> who want answers - lots of 'left-wingers' 
>> and moderate independents want to know 
>> why, in over eight years, the U.S. hasn't 
>> installed safety precautions to prevent 
>> another 9/11. 
>>
>> Why is that, John? Why are U.S. passenger
>> aircraft still not safe from suicide
>> bombers after over eight years? Why, 
>> after over eight years, did Flight 253 
>> come to a 'near-catastrophic failure'
>> in every level of our government? 
>>
>> Why didn't your Secretary of State revoke 
>> the bomber's visa? Why, John?
>>
>> "The terrorist plot to bring down 
>> Northwest Airlines Flight 253 exposed a 
>> near-catastrophic failure at every level 
>> of our government." - Barack Obama
>>
>> http://tinyurl. com/yhj64te
>> 
>
> I believe it was a plot intended to fail. Who trusts the government in 
> telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up 
> the plane? Maybe so but we would also have to trust that it was the 
> actual explosive on him. Follow the money. The body scanning companies 
> were having problems selling their machines. The public hates them and 
> this incident is not going make them hate them any less. But now the 
> body scan companies got a windfall or did they actually set the whole 
> thing up? Not hard to cover those tracks. 
>
> Then our military industrial complex needed another front to sell 
> weapons too so Yemen made a good choice. Gets them into Africa for 
> years of endless war. Tell the bureaucrats that say we need to get over 
> privacy issues to go fuck themselves. Oh and go fuck themselves in 
> front of a body scanner so the underpaid TSA agents can sell those 
> videos as porn on the Internet.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Police report gives first details of Arizona sweat lodge deaths

[eustace10679]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eustace10679  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > Looking at the big picture and leaving aside, for the moment, the details, 
> > wouldn't you agree that even with this black spot on its history, the TMO 
> > still remains the bright exception to the checkered histories of similar 
> > large scale organizations?
> 
> Absolutely not. 
> 
> In all honesty, absolutely not. And I consider
> myself a voyeur of spiritual organizations. I've
> carefully watched the histories of many of them.
> At this point I'm more of a "religious sociologist"
> than a pursuer of or believer in any religion.

I have to admit that I haven't been following the other spiritual organizations 
closely as I did in the 70s. At that time practically all of them that had 
reached some prominence and size were riddled with scandals.

> 
> I would say that there is very little difference
> between the TMO and any other spiritual organ-
> ization, large or small, except the extreme
> silliness and self-absorption present in the TM
> organization. Have you forgotten robes and crowns?
> Have you forgotten "de-teachering" the vast maj-
> ority of all TM teachers ever created and declaring
> that they were no longer "certified" to teach TM
> because they wouldn't sign up full-time for just
> a *promise*, a promise that they knew would never
> be fulfilled? 

The scandals that plagued the other organizations were different in kind and I 
would say more serious then the ones you describe - embezzlement of large sums 
of money, serious sexual transgressions. In my judgment, compared with those, 
the ceremonial crowns are much sillier but also much less consequential. As for 
the robes, personally I find them more to my taste than the strict dress code. 
As for the decertification of teachers, I do not know the details  but I would 
lump them together with steep rise in the initiation  fees and the crowns: All 
these certainly did not help the movement, but, and this is the amazing fact, 
they did not seem to have hurt it much either. Please observe that I am not 
justifying these policies, I am rather basing my judgment on the overall effect 
that they have had on TMO.

> I think the "real story" is the one above. 
> You managed to "write off" a murder by relating
> it to your personal experience of a random moment
> in time,

I disagree with the randomness of the moment. But I understand that what is 
clear to me is at the same time not obvious to others, so I would not insist on 
this point.

> suggesting that the "real reason" for it
> was on some level "cosmic."

Hmmm... No, I wouldn't put it this way. The real reason was, of course, karmic 
- I hope we do not disagree on this point. The "cosmic" (as you call them) 
connections that I saw made the karmic situation more concrete in my mind. Or 
something like that.

> ANYONE can find a 
> way to "justify" the things that "their" organ-
> ization does and make them look less stupid or
> bad. That doesn't mean that they *are* less 
> stupid or bad.
> 
> The murder at MUM happened because one person, who
> had been taught for decades that practicing his
> meditation at a specific time every day was more
> important than anything else -- *anything* else --
> failed to guard a delusional student who had 
> *already* attacked another student and went off
> to meditate.

That person had encountered an extreme situation he had not encountered before 
in his life, and he failed to realize it. I am sure he learned his lesson.

> There is nothing "cosmic" in this.

I see much karmic, rather than random, in this. His experience did not help and 
his intuition did not work. Mistakes happen, and people pay for them.

> There is only stupidity and non-acceptance of
> responsibility in this. There is only fanaticism
> in this. 

"Fanaticism" may explain the failing of intuition.
 
> *You* can only feel comfortable with the history
> of the TM movement by "leaving aside the details."
> You will have to forgive me if I do not consider
> this a particularly reality-based position.

There are different perspectives to look at things, one way does not invalidate 
the others. I wrote "Looking at the big picture and leaving aside, for the 
moment, the details". I only asked you to  look *for a moment* the whole 
picture without focusing on the details. I find it very useful sometimes. From 
a different perspective sometimes things look unexpectedly different. This in 
no way invalidates the more detailed perspective and its reality - or vice 
versa. Seeing things in different perspectives helps attain a more balanced 
view.

> 
> A "happening" spiritual organization IMO is one
> that "steps up to the plate" and *takes respon-
> sibility* for its fuckups and mistakes. Name me
> one time that the TMO has done that. Even one.
> 
> I'll wait.

On the basis of my personal lif

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
> >
> > This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously 
> > heartfelt, but Dear Turq; is also way more than that. Just is.  
> > I pray you can sit with it some more. Nice rant. It was a joy 
> > to read.
> 
> Careful, dude. You know the olde saying:
> "Say something complimentary about Barry 
> and wind up on the Enemies List."

Doug can be very, um, tactful.

> :-)
> 
> Original rant (for the convenience of the
> person who is now going to feel compelled 
> to dump on it):
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/237892



Already did, several days ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Y2K 2.0

[WillyTex]

> > "Reminds me of your recent article about cheap 
> > and dirty Y2K bug fixes where some unscrupulous 
> > programmers put in a simple if <10 = 20xx otherwise 
> > the date is 19xx...'"
> >
> This was not a trick
>
These programmers, like the two Barrys, are always 
trying to trick us into spending money to fix bugs 
that they themselves have created. 

What's up with that?

I mean, what kind of an idiot would create a software 
program that couldn't print a four digit date? They've 
known about this for thirty years or more, but they 
wouldn't admit that 'Y2K' was their own creation so 
they could make big money from large corporations. 

These shysters are always up to something. If it's not 
shilling for some can-man guru from India, they're 
setting themselves up to be a 'fakir' on their own,
selling water down by the river - making up non-sensse 
gibberish phrases to sell to poor unwitting students. 

What happened to all the money?

That Rama cult that Barry used to head up was one of 
the most notorious hacker-cults in the modern digital 
age. They formed a company and sent out programmers to 
fix bugs, but they put in new ones instead, from what
I've read! Now they're bragging about how much money
they make running their own companies.

This is outrageous!

In fact, almost any programming language can be fixed 
with a simple function such as the PICTURE clause, 
which can be used to define fixed-length numeric fields, 
including two-digit fields for years. A simple fix!

But did you see 'Office Space'? Large corporations
actually paid these guys to fix the bug they created.

Excerpt for Wired Magazine:

"Besides avoiding negative energy and sharpening the 
mind, computer work brings in a lot of money, the main 
requirement for membership in Lenz's group. Costs range 
from US$20 a month for neophytes to, at one point, US$3,
500 a month for 'advanced students,' according to 
ex-members who showed cancelled checks verifying 
payments of US$2,000 to Lenz's group.

Generally, this was to be paid in US$100 bills - higher 
vibratory energy, ex-members say. Gifts and costly 
special excursions are extra: In practice, members give 
Lenz almost all their money, according to published 
reports and ex-followers. They squeeze into shared, 
unfurnished apartments while he flies in a Lear jet 
between houses in Long Island, Santa Fe, and Los 
Angeles..."

Read more:

'Undo'
The Code Cult of the CPU Guru
By Zachary Margulis
Wired, Rants & Raves, Issue 2.04, 1993

'Take Me for a Ride'
Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult
By Mark Laxer
Outer Rim Press, 1993

[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> In layman's language, the formula states that every
> time someone gets suckered into a "debate" with Judy
> and then figures out she's a nutcase and not worth
> their time, she goes crazy and embarrasses herself
> publicly trying to "get them back,"

LOL.

Judy to PaliGap, two days ago, withdrawsing from the
debate with PaliGap about climate change/global
warming:

"I'm through here. You're more than welcome to continue
the conversation with yourself. I won't interfere unless
you invoke me (by name or implication) in a way that
misrepresents me or my views or my debating habits."

Which post of mine has sent Barry over the edge this
time? Was it my response to Raunchy in the G-spot
thread? The one pointing out that three weeks ago,
Barry was on *my* side in the climate change debate
I was having with PaliGap? Or was it the one in which
I noted that many liberals were upset about what they
perceived to be racism in "Avatar"? Or the one in
which I straightened out his misconceptions about
Buddha's teaching?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu wrote:
> Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep 
> criminalizing things that shouldn't be so they 
> can fill prisons and build new ones...
>
'They' is you, and your Democratic Party. You could 
'throw the bums out' in the next election. Maybe it's 
time for the Democrats in California to retire - 
they've brought the state to a near bankruptcy. 

Your elected leaders are trying to tax your business 
out of existence. If you don't get out and vote, you 
may find yourself living on the street or at your 
relative's house. The liberal voters out there in 
California must be totally insane!

With your political view, I'd think you'd be one of 
the first people to get out of there. From what I've 
heard, California wants to house the Gitmo prisoners 
from Yemen at Chino - they need the federal money.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.

[WillyTex]

> > I just had to inject in this group people will 
> > judge me. They always do,many do...
> >
TurquoiseB wrote:
> While I welcome you and appreciate your comments
> about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be
> a more graceful way to introduce yourself than,
> "Hi. I'm new here"
>
You really beat Becky up - good work, Turq!

"As some have noticed, I have a low tolerance 
threshold when it comes to idiots who show up on 
Internet forums I frequent and bring a hidden agenda 
with them.  I suspect everybody does, but it is more 
obvious in my case because I am often merciless 
about insulting these idiots and ripping them a new 
asshole verbally..."

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Agendananda 
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: February 16, 2003

[FairfieldLife] Re: Etude No 2: Two Sins Of Dishonest Intellectuals

[WillyTex]

Judy wrote:
> What's behind Barry's tendency to self-destruct...?
>
Obviously the reason is because of ignoarnce (avidya).
the very thing he should be avoiding. Barry needs to
get some smarts - he's read hundreds of books about
the Cathars, but seems to have never read a single book 
about the Buddha's teaching.

So, it was probably the post about the Buddha's teaching 
that sent Barry 'over the edge'. Now he's running scared, 
afraid he's going to fall off a cliff and into an abyss. 

Everyone now knows that Barry is a 'True Believer' - he 
believes that all individuals possess a 'soul-monad' that 
'reincarnates' over time. He even thinks he can remember 
being a 'cat-ass kisser' that lived in Montsegur, France. 

Can you believe that?

Obviously he got these beliefs from his Guru, the Sri 
Chinmoy, who taught this belief system to Freddy Lentz:

Reincarnated soul-monads of Frederick Lentz III:

1531-1575, Zen Master, Japan; 
1602-1771, Head of Zen Order, Japan; 
1725-1804, Master of Monastery, Tibet; 
1834-1905, Jnana Yoga Master, India; 
1912-1945, Tibetan Lama and Head of Monastic Order, Tibet; 
1950-1998, Self Realized Spiritual Teacher and Director 
of Spiritual Communities, United States.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

  Who trusts the government in 
> telling us that amount of  the supposed explosive could have blown up 
> the plane?  

well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie.  Supposedly, the explosive 
material he had on him was PETN.  I don't remember the NEW (net explosive 
weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular 
explosives.  My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a 
serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of 
the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in 
your clothes.  My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as 
long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around.  I'm positive that 3-5 
pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to talk to a 
more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to confirm that.  

seekliberation 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"
 wrote:
>
> I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO.
Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do
find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of
the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly
despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were
hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment.
Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The
only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine
joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members
and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone
else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with
Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from
either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides
of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is
incomplete.


Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister
pointed out to me that all the Indian women in
"Dances With Wolves" were beautifully groomed,
their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas
the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman
who was supposedly completely assimilated into
the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was
loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed
it. That had to have been a choice, but what was
it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow.


  [mcdonnell]  

  [tantoo cardinal] 

[FairfieldLife] Once again Rep. Paul a voice of reason

[Bhairitu]

He, Kucinich and Senator Franken are not afraid to speak the truth:

Ron Paul slams Cheney: US ‘doing exactly what bin Laden planned’

"Fourteen or 15 of the [9/11] terrorists came from Saudi Arabia," Paul 
said. "We didn't attack Saudi Arabia, we attacked Iraq. It doesn't make 
sense. ... You don't declare war against these countries and say we have 
to go in and start bombing Pakistan and bombing Afghanistan and bombing 
Yemen."

More here:
http://rawstory.com/2009/01/ron-paul-slams-dick-cheney/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Useless Machine Ever

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4&feature=player_embedded
>


Any chance you could post marvels like that *before* christmas
next time?

[FairfieldLife] Y2010 bug strikes!

[Hugo]

2010 bug hits millions of German bank cards Credit and debit cards
contain software that can't process number `2010'   BERLIN -
Millions of German bank cards have been affected by a "millennium
bug"-like problem because they contain software that can't process the
number 2010, an industry group said Tuesday.
The DSGV group, which represents public-sector banks, said some 20
million debit cards issued by those banks were affected, along with
around 3.5 million credit cards — nearly half of the total number of
cards issued by those banks.

The group said cash machines were adjusted hours after the problem
emerged to ensure that customers can withdraw money, but there may still
be problems using some debit-card terminals. Those should be fixed by
Monday, it said.
Problems remain with credit cards and customers should use debit cards
instead for now, the group added.
Computer experts widely believed that hardware and software systems
would fail as the clocks rolled over to the year 2000.

The problem, they said, would be caused when computers and other
devices, which used only two digits to represent the year, mistook the
year 2000 for the year 1900. In the end, however, the so-called
"millennium bug" caused few problems.

From:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34706092/ns/technology_and_science-security/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
>   Who trusts the government in 
> > telling us that amount of  the supposed explosive could have
> > blown up the plane?  
> 
> well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie.  Supposedly,
> the explosive material he had on him was PETN.  I don't
> remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure
> it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives.  My
> guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a 
> serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee 
> destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to
> hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes.  My guess is that a
> person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are
> no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around.  I'm positive that 3-5 pounds
> is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to
> talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial 
> pilot to confirm that.

>From what I've read, "blow up the plane" and "bring the
plane down" aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive
he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow
the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the
fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends
on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the
exact placement and size of the hole.

Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair;
best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole.
In between, the blast could have made the plane
unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from
the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing
through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers
could have been sucked out through the hole if they
weren't belted in.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

if 80 grams is all he had on him, the only way that amount would kill everyone 
is if it were detonated at a very high altitude at max speed.  It would be 
enough to blow a hole in thes fuselage of the plane, causing a massive change 
in cabin pressure, possibly causing a chain reaction that forces the plane to 
fall apart from there (but once again, i'd have to talk to a commercial pilot 
about that issue).  But if the plane were close to landing and only going about 
200-250 mph, my guess is that the attack would be survivable.  

seekliberation 

> From what I've read, "blow up the plane" and "bring the
> plane down" aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive
> he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow
> the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the
> fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends
> on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the
> exact placement and size of the hole.
> 
> Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair;
> best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole.
> In between, the blast could have made the plane
> unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from
> the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing
> through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers
> could have been sucked out through the hole if they
> weren't belted in.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote:
>   
>> Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep 
>> criminalizing things that shouldn't be so they 
>> can fill prisons and build new ones...
>>
>> 
> 'They' is you, and your Democratic Party. You could 
> 'throw the bums out' in the next election. Maybe it's 
> time for the Democrats in California to retire - 
> they've brought the state to a near bankruptcy. 
>
> Your elected leaders are trying to tax your business 
> out of existence. If you don't get out and vote, you 
> may find yourself living on the street or at your 
> relative's house. The liberal voters out there in 
> California must be totally insane!
>
> With your political view, I'd think you'd be one of 
> the first people to get out of there. From what I've 
> heard, California wants to house the Gitmo prisoners 
> from Yemen at Chino - they need the federal money.

As I've said many a time here I'm not a Democrat.  I'm registered as 
"decline to state" in California. That means NO affiliation with ANY 
political party.  However you don't live in California and hence don't 
know that blame for the state's problems fall on both sides of the 
aisle.  Apparently there were no "grown ups" there.   They didn't seem 
to realize that "what goes up must come down" and hence that boom times 
don't last.  They were like a bunch of drunken sailors.It's not 
liberals who are crazy in California, it is those who feel "entitled" 
who are crazy.  They want everything and don't want to pay for it.  They 
vote for all kinds of "referendums" (maybe we should call them 
referendumbs) that won't work and can't be financed.  Direct democracy 
is not often a good idea.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Bhairitu]

seekliberation wrote:
>   Who trusts the government in 
>   
>> telling us that amount of  the supposed explosive could have blown up 
>> the plane?  
>> 
>
> well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie.  Supposedly, the explosive 
> material he had on him was PETN.  I don't remember the NEW (net explosive 
> weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular 
> explosives.  My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a 
> serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of 
> the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in 
> your clothes.  My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, 
> as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around.  I'm positive that 
> 3-5 pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to 
> talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to 
> confirm that.  
>
> seekliberation 

And just who told us the guy had PETN?  Do we trust their information?  
They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda.  And 
that agenda is to take away more of our rights.

[FairfieldLife] Correction of 80 grams calculation (was: Re: Underpants of mass destruction)

[seekliberation]

in rebuttal to myself below, I have to correct something.  I just checked it 
out on the metric conversion chart.  If 80 grams of PETN was all that the 
underwear bomber had on him, it would be very difficult to take the plane down. 
 The only way I can imagine pulling it off is one of 2 ways:

1.  Place the explosives right next to the fuel tank (which is not possible 
from the cabin)
2.  Very carefully place the explosives on the window or very close to the 
window to guarantee the detonation will create at least somewhat of a hole in 
the side of the aircraft (this would be a little time consuming, which may be 
how he was caught)

seekliberation



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> if 80 grams is all he had on him, the only way that amount would kill 
> everyone is if it were detonated at a very high altitude at max speed.  It 
> would be enough to blow a hole in thes fuselage of the plane, causing a 
> massive change in cabin pressure, possibly causing a chain reaction that 
> forces the plane to fall apart from there (but once again, i'd have to talk 
> to a commercial pilot about that issue).  But if the plane were close to 
> landing and only going about 200-250 mph, my guess is that the attack would 
> be survivable.  
> 
> seekliberation 
> 
> > From what I've read, "blow up the plane" and "bring the
> > plane down" aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive
> > he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow
> > the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the
> > fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends
> > on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the
> > exact placement and size of the hole.
> > 
> > Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair;
> > best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole.
> > In between, the blast could have made the plane
> > unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from
> > the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing
> > through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers
> > could have been sucked out through the hole if they
> > weren't belted in.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Guido and raja !!!! [1 Attachment]

[Rick Archer]

Hello Rick,

Happy New Year,
and a sensation in germany.
Our outside minister,
Guido Westerwave,
was honored by our Raja.
They discussed, how to make TM more
attractive for homosexual people 
http://www.faz.net/s/homepage.html


(and pls., if you post this, don`t add my name to it...)

cheers



 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy had on him.

You sound rather petrified here.  What exactly is your theory of whats going on 
here?  Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems you think that this kid from 
Nigeria was really trained or sent by U.S. Government to create fear and 
paranoia, rather than actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces.  

Although I don't care much for Obama, your theory definitely shows a lack of 
faith in his deep desire to expose the CIA and military to the flamethrower 
when it comes to wrong doing.  If there is something wrong or shady going on, 
Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, 
waterboarding, etc...).  So if there's a government conspiracy here, then that 
means Obama is in on it, and we're all doomed no matter what.  It's not just 
George Bush and the evil right wing, even our beloved hero wants Americans to 
be afraid.

seekliberation 

> And just who told us the guy had PETN?  Do we trust their information?  
> They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda.  And 
> that agenda is to take away more of our rights.
>

[FairfieldLife] Lib'rul Media Watch

[authfriend]

Commenting on the news yesterday that Democratic senators 
Dorgan and Dodd and Colorado governor Ritter won't run for 
reelection, ABC News' The Note ("Washington's Most 
Influential Tipsheet") observes, in a post titled 
"Democrats Are Dropping Like Flies":

"You will certainly hear a lot of talk from Republicans 
that Democrats are beginning to face the reality of just 
how tough the current political landscape looks for them 
and they are running for the hills."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/01/democrats-are-dropping-like-flies.html
http://tinyurl.com/yk7kpzv

-

Number of Democratic senators who have chosen not to run: 2
Number of Republican senators who have chosen not to run: 6

Number of Democratic reps who have chosen not to run: 10
Number of Republican reps who have chosen not to run: 14

Number of Democratic governors who have chosen not to run: 3
Number of Republican governors who have chosen not to run: 5

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Happy New Year,
> and a sensation in germany.
> Our outside minister,
> Guido Westerwave,
> was honored by our Raja.
> They discussed, how to make TM more
> attractive for homosexual people 

Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up
in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy
> had on him.
> 
> You sound rather petrified here.  What exactly is your theory
> of whats going on here?  Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems
> you think that this kid from Nigeria was really trained or sent
> by U.S. Government to create fear and paranoia, rather than 
> actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces.

I think he's suggesting that the gummint is making
it sound much more potentially dire than it really
was so they can impose stricter controls on us.

Of course, the Obama administration was also eager
to provide the Republicans with an excuse to beat
them up for allowing something so potentially dire
to happen. I mean, if they'd downplayed it, the
Republicans would have had a much harder time making
a big deal of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[WillyTex]

> If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama 
> has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it 
> (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...)...
>
Apparently several Guantanamo inmates were returned
to Yemen - one broke out of jail there and some of the 
others were let loose by the Yemeni Government. 

>From what I've heard, several of the detainees that 
Obama released were the trainers that set up the 
'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. 

This was obviously a big mistake, and led to the near 
catastrophe over Detroit. Now, the bomber is hiding
behind his Miranda rights and court-appointed
attorney, so we can't even get him to tell us from
where he got the bomb and how many other bombers are 
out there now.

What a bunch of losers! Can't even keep gate-crashers
out of the White House - it's just outrageous what's
going on with our national security.

So, I'd say that Obama and Clinton really dropped the 
ball when he and his people didn't pay attention to
what's going on - they should have put the guy on the
'no-fly list' and revoked his U.S. visa back when the 
bomber's father alerted the State Department. 

It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists 
go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then
get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people.

Read more:

"...the State Department has announced it is revoking 
the U.S. visa for suspected Nigerian underwear bomber 
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab."

'Obama administration revokes U.S. visa of accused 
Nigerian bomber'
Posted by Andrew Malcolm
Los Angeles Times, January 5, 2010

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

The only strict control I see happening as a result of all this is that our 
rides at the airport are going to become more inconvenient.  However, I flew an 
international flight about a week after the incident.  I can't say I 
experienced anything bad at all.  

As far as the government having a scheme to dramatize the whole situation to 
make it sound more serious than what it really is, I think that's a bogus idea. 
 In the news EVERYTHING is dramatized.  Actors lives, sports news, weather, 
traffic jams, school systems, etc.it is all dramatized to get simple minded 
people to pay attention and possibly pay money for things they don't really 
need.  The whole sports industry, child safety equipment, clothing and apparel, 
preparation for global warming, the year 2012, potential sickness and disease, 
spirituality and religion, even within our own families, the list goes on.  
Everything, not just terrorism, is dramatized to keep us in a somewhat hyper 
state.  It's not just government that depends on it, it's pretty much our 
entire social system.  In fact, the TMO depends on it too.  I remember the way 
things were taught at MIU, in a very subtle way we were made to be afraid of 
what would happen if we don't become enlightened in this lifetime.  I could 
tell it got a lot of people to put a lot more into the TMO as a result.  
Paranoia is everywhere, not just in the government.   

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>

> 
> I think he's suggesting that the gummint is making
> it sound much more potentially dire than it really
> was so they can impose stricter controls on us.
> 
> Of course, the Obama administration was also eager
> to provide the Republicans with an excuse to beat
> them up for allowing something so potentially dire
> to happen. I mean, if they'd downplayed it, the
> Republicans would have had a much harder time making
> a big deal of it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Bhairitu]

Me "pertrified"?   :-D  

Hardly, I was raised being told "don't believe everything you read in 
the newspaper."  Ever heard of the term MSM (Main Stream Media)?   I'm 
just suggesting that people should  not swallow everything hook line and 
sinker.  It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened people can 
fall right in line with agendas without ever questioning them.

I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the 
airport and I especially don't want a cavity search.  People should be 
up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident.   But 
we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them.  Hell, we 
used to call them "the ignorant" in TM).  A friend who does a lot of 
business travel out of the country is dreading these draconian 
measures.  It's like they don't want us to travel at all as we'll see 
how the other half lives and in some cases better than the "greatest 
country on earth."

There are two kinds of opinions one finds online and especially here on 
FFL.  One is what people really think and the other is a proforma ( how 
they want to appear to people even if it is not their real thoughts).  I 
speak my mind and it does not often go over well. But I don't care.  
I've been doing that all my life.  Line on water. 

I would say the interests of Wall Street and probably the MIC trump 
anything Obama wanted to do for the people.  Should 1% of the population 
really run things because they are the wealthiest?  I say not!  They got 
there by hook or by crook and probably much of the time the latter (they 
pay attorneys to cover their tracks).   It is up to the people to allow 
this to continue or say "enough already!"


seekliberation wrote:
> I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy had on him.
>
> You sound rather petrified here.  What exactly is your theory of whats going 
> on here?  Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems you think that this kid from 
> Nigeria was really trained or sent by U.S. Government to create fear and 
> paranoia, rather than actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces.  
>
> Although I don't care much for Obama, your theory definitely shows a lack of 
> faith in his deep desire to expose the CIA and military to the flamethrower 
> when it comes to wrong doing.  If there is something wrong or shady going on, 
> Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, 
> waterboarding, etc...).  So if there's a government conspiracy here, then 
> that means Obama is in on it, and we're all doomed no matter what.  It's not 
> just George Bush and the evil right wing, even our beloved hero wants 
> Americans to be afraid.
>
> seekliberation 
>
>   
>> And just who told us the guy had PETN?  Do we trust their information?  
>> They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda.  And 
>> that agenda is to take away more of our rights.
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Politically correct term: PMFC (was: Re: Underpants of mass destruction)

[seekliberation]

Willy, there's something you don't understand here.  There is no such thing as 
a terrorist.  The politically correct term is 'politically misguided foriegn 
consituent' (PMFC).  It is not the PMFC's fault. It is our fault as Americans 
that he became a PMFC.  If we woud stop being evil and convert to Islam and 
completely adopt their way of life, they would stop all this madness 
immediately.  So for the most part, the only thing we have to blame is 
ourselves.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists 
> go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then
> get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people.
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Mike Dixon]

The bomber was sitting over a wing where fuel lines run, hoping to ignite 
fuel,which would have brought the plain down.



From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 9:44:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

  
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> Who trusts the government in 
> > telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have
> > blown up the plane? 
> 
> well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie. Supposedly,
> the explosive material he had on him was PETN. I don't
> remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure
> it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives. My
> guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a 
> serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee 
> destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to
> hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes. My guess is that a
> person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are
> no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around. I'm positive that 3-5 pounds
> is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to
> talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial 
> pilot to confirm that.

>From what I've read, "blow up the plane" and "bring the
plane down" aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive
he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn' t enough to blow
the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the
fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends
on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the
exact placement and size of the hole.

Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair;
best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole.
In between, the blast could have made the plane
unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from
the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing
through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers
could have been sucked out through the hole if they
weren't belted in.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Me "pertrified"?   :-D  
> 
> Hardly, I was raised being told "don't believe everything you read in 
> the newspaper."  Ever heard of the term MSM (Main Stream Media)?   I'm 
> just suggesting that people should  not swallow everything hook line and 
> sinker.  It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened people can 
> fall right in line with agendas without ever questioning them.

I agree 100%.

 
> I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the 
> airport and I especially don't want a cavity search.  People should be 
> up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident.   But 
> we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them.  Hell, we 
> used to call them "the ignorant" in TM). 

 
I don't want to do these scans either.  But I don't believe that they are being 
done to 'control' us.  They are rather being done to give the 'sheeple' a false 
sense of security.  Americans simply want to live with the illusion that they 
can live a perfectly safe life, and they elect government officials to feed 
them that illusion.  The truth is that the government will never be able to 
weed out terrorism.  But, in order for people in government to keep their job, 
every time an incident like this occurs they have to do something to make the 
appearance of something effective being done, even if it doesn't work.  Then 
they roll the dice and hope nothing happens for a while so they can keep their 
job.


> I would say the interests of Wall Street and probably the MIC trump 
> anything Obama wanted to do for the people.  Should 1% of the population 
> really run things because they are the wealthiest?  I say not!  They got 
> there by hook or by crook and probably much of the time the latter (they 
> pay attorneys to cover their tracks).   It is up to the people to allow 
> this to continue or say "enough already!"

Unfortunately, the interests of about 1% of the population have always been 
running things since the beginning of vast societies.  There isn't much the 
people can do, in my opinion unless a very forceful and drastic revolt occurs. 

seekliberation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!

[Mike Dixon]

Ummm,, the brahmacharya thing needs to be kept quiet though.





From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:33:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Happy New Year,
> and a sensation in germany.
> Our outside minister,
> Guido Westerwave,
> was honored by our Raja.
> They discussed, how to make TM more
> attractive for homosexual people 

Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up 
in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads.






  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

Yes, I remember mentioning that in an earlier post, that his strategy was to 
blow the charge near a fuel tank.  I'm not an expert on plane construction, but 
I do know a little about explosives.  I'm pretty sure that 80 grams of PETN 
ignited in the cabin would be unlikely to affect the fuel lines.  I'd have to 
confirm the NEW (net explosive weight) of 80 grams of PETN by doing some 
research, but i'm pretty sure that's a very small charge.  The chances of that 
charge having an effect on any part of the plane besides the cabin itself is 
extremely unlikely.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> The bomber was sitting over a wing where fuel lines run, hoping to ignite 
> fuel,which would have brought the plain down.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Mike Dixon]

So much for finger painting therapy.





From: WillyTex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 11:24:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

  


> If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama 
> has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it 
> (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...)...
>
Apparently several Guantanamo inmates were returned
to Yemen - one broke out of jail there and some of the 
others were let loose by the Yemeni Government. 

>From what I've heard, several of the detainees that 
Obama released were the trainers that set up the 
'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. 

This was obviously a big mistake, and led to the near 
catastrophe over Detroit. Now, the bomber is hiding
behind his Miranda rights and court-appointed
attorney, so we can't even get him to tell us from
where he got the bomb and how many other bombers are 
out there now.

What a bunch of losers! Can't even keep gate-crashers
out of the White House - it's just outrageous what's
going on with our national security.

So, I'd say that Obama and Clinton really dropped the 
ball when he and his people didn't pay attention to
what's going on - they should have put the guy on the
'no-fly list' and revoked his U.S. visa back when the 
bomber's father alerted the State Department. 

It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists 
go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then
get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people.

Read more:

"...the State Department has announced it is revoking 
the U.S. visa for suspected Nigerian underwear bomber 
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. "

'Obama administration revokes U.S. visa of accused 
Nigerian bomber'
Posted by Andrew Malcolm
Los Angeles Times, January 5, 2010





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> From what I've heard, several of the detainees that 
> Obama released were the trainers that set up the 
> 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN.

In fact, those were detainees that *Bush* released.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> Yes, I remember mentioning that in an earlier post, that
> his strategy was to blow the charge near a fuel tank.
> I'm not an expert on plane construction, but I do know a
> little about explosives.  I'm pretty sure that 80 grams
> of PETN ignited in the cabin would be unlikely to affect
> the fuel lines.  I'd have to confirm the NEW (net explosive
> weight) of 80 grams of PETN by doing some research, but
> i'm pretty sure that's a very small charge.  The chances of
> that charge having an effect on any part of the plane
> besides the cabin itself is extremely unlikely.  

FWIW, from Patrick Smith, an active airline pilot, in
his column on Salon:

"If Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had not failed, and had his
diaper bomb exploded, would the plane have crashed?...

"The answer is maybe. A bomb destroys a plane not by 
igniting the fuel tanks, but by violently rupturing the 
pressurized fuselage. Even if the rupture is relatively 
small, the entire plane can be ripped apart in literally 
just a few seconds by the resultant forces. This is what 
happened with Pan Am 103 and the UTA bombing back in the 
1980s, among others. Any fuel tank explosions were just 
a byproduct of the in-flight breakup.

"Abdulmutallab was carrying approximately 80 grams of the 
chemical PETN. That was more than enough to blow a hole 
in the A330's fuselage, but whether the plane would have 
crashed isn't clear. The precise dynamics of an 
explosive decompression will differ, depending mainly on 
the aircraft's altitude (i.e., the level of 
pressurization), speed and the specific location and 
size of any breach. (The luggage bomb that brought down 
Pan Am 103 initially created a 15-foot, star-shaped 
hole.)

"There have been several instances of safe landings made 
after an in-flight explosion tore through the fuselage, 
including that of TWA Flight 840 in 1986."

http://www.salon.com/news/transportation_security_administration/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2010/01/05/askthepilot346

http://tinyurl.com/ye2l4gw

[FairfieldLife] For the gadget geeks on FFL

[Bhairitu]

This week is the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.  Though I've 
been before I didn't go this year.  The show is too hard on the feet as 
it is in a huge convention center with concrete floors.  Even a new pair 
of NB running shoes didn't help much the last time I went (2003).   This 
year is heavy on gadgets.  One that was highlighted (though not so much 
in the following report) is Mobile DTV which is a replacement for the 
little analog pocket sets you may have and no longer work now that DTV 
is here.  There are mobile DTV but they don't work very well with HDTV 
because the signal is difficult to receive while moving and the 
electronics to scale the HD image down to something small is expensive 
and battery consuming.  The solution was to broadcast a special signal 
of the HD signal but reduced to a 3G size image.  It will work as long 
as your local stations are broadcasting these signals.

Anyway here is a roundup of what is showing and keep checking back as 
they will add more items:
http://ces.cnet.com/8300-31045_1-269-0.html

PS: a "hype" jacket is also handy for the show.  It's sort of like a 
flack jacket but repels hype instead.   ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu wrote:
> It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened 
> people can fall right in line with agendas without 
> ever questioning them...
>
Well that's the point - why didn't they question the
'Underpants Bomber'? If you are so enlightened, why didn't
you think of that BEFORE the bomber got on the plane?

His father already told the authorities that his son was
joining the al Qaeda. If you're so educated, why didn't you
connect all the dots?

Until the TSA starts screening for potential bombers, I 
won't be flying on any more international flights into the 
U.S., even if you gave me a free ticket. If you want to fly 
around without any airport security that's up to you - your 
choice. Good luck.

> I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full 
> body scan at the airport and I especially don't want 
> a cavity search... 
>
Well, I'm in favor of full body scans and cavity searches
on everyone who is listed on the 'no-fly list', who just
got banned from the U.K., who pays with cash, has no travel 
bags, on all flights originating or passing through places 
like Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, and Egypt, who 
just walked out of a local Yemeni terrorist training camp 
after being given plastic explosives, but apparently you're 
not. Go figure.

"The clamor to ramp up airport security with invasive 
naked body imaging scanners has nothing to do with ensuring 
the safety of travelers. Rather it is part of an ongoing 
incremental push to break the will of the people and 
encourage mass subservience and meek obedience..."

Read more:

'The Real Purpose Of Body Scanners' 
Posted by Steve Watson
Prisonplanet, Wednesday, Jan 6, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/yd39r7u



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Bhairitu]

seekliberation wrote:
>  
>   
>> I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the 
>> airport and I especially don't want a cavity search.  People should be 
>> up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident.   But 
>> we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them.  Hell, we 
>> used to call them "the ignorant" in TM). 
>> 
>
>  
> I don't want to do these scans either.  But I don't believe that they are 
> being done to 'control' us.  They are rather being done to give the 'sheeple' 
> a false sense of security.  Americans simply want to live with the illusion 
> that they can live a perfectly safe life, and they elect government officials 
> to feed them that illusion.  The truth is that the government will never be 
> able to weed out terrorism.  But, in order for people in government to keep 
> their job, every time an incident like this occurs they have to do something 
> to make the appearance of something effective being done, even if it doesn't 
> work.  Then they roll the dice and hope nothing happens for a while so they 
> can keep their job.
>
>
>   

After the incident I posted here on it and mentioned the measures were 
"security theater" meant to make the public feel safer flying.  Taking 
off your shoes is definitely "security theater" and not even done in 
other countries.

Another factor is the "litigious effect" or attorneys telling the 
government that if they don't do this or that they'll be liable.  Now a 
really good politician might stand up and say "the legal staff has told 
us to do this but I don't think Americans want such draconian 
measures."  You have a bigger chance of being hit by lightning on a golf 
course than being blown up in a plane bombing.  Maybe golf courses 
should have a patrol to round golfers up if they want to finish the 
course during a thunderstorm. :-D

As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during 
the 20th century to make us more willing consumers.  Look up the BBC 
documentary "Century of the Self" on Google Video.  Heh, I've even been 
on the "other side of the desk" for that too. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[WillyTex]

> My guess is that a person could easily hide 
> about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no 
> drug/bomb sniffing dogs around...
>
My guess is that the terrorists have over a ton 
of PETN at their disposal and over 3000 dedicated 
suicide volunteers ready to ignite the substance 
anywhere they can get inside a plane or a 
building or a market. 

It's probably only a matter of time before the 
terrorists get ahold of a nuclear dirty bomb in
Pakistan and only a few years when Iran will be
able to fire a nuclear device into Tel Aviv.

Apparently the North Koreans can do this already
and in fact they passed off to Pakistan the 
blueprints for a nuclear bomb. 

It's no secret that Pakistan then gave the 
blueprints to Iran. In less than five years there
will be WW III in the free world unless we do 
something to stop them now. 

It's too late to do anything after New York City 
is laid to waste! Our only hope is to vote into
office some individuals who will stand up and
fight the terrorists and kill them before they kill 
us. 

I'm not convinced that Obama and Biden can protect 
the country and make it safe, so fer sure I won't 
be trusting them in the next election! 

There is going to be hell to pay if there's a 
successful attack on U.S. soil again under 
Obama's watch. Why do you think he is so angry now 
- this could already mean that he won't be around 
for a second term.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[WillyTex]

> > From what I've heard, several of the detainees that 
> > Obama released were the trainers that set up the 
> > 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN.
> >
> In fact, those were detainees that *Bush* released.
>
*Bush* didn't release anyone from Gitmo, that's the job
of the U.S. Congress. So, how would you be knowing who 
has been released from Guantanamo when, and where they 
went?

Whoever did that made a very big mistake - now the 
terrorist recidivism rate is off the scales! It is a 
very dumb idea to let enemy combatants go free or have
them tried in U.S. Courts. Stupid and dumb, that's what
I think.

"Since Obama took office, 42 detainees have been 
repatriated, seven of them to Yemen..."

'More Ex-Guantanamo Detainees Resorting to Terror, 
Officials Say"
By Jeff Bliss and Tony Capaccio
Business Week, January 6, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/yaolbe9'

"U.S. officials believe two Saudis released from 
Guantánamo, one in 2006 and the other in 2007, may 
have played significant roles in al-Qaida activities 
in Yemen..."

'Pentagon: More Returning to Fight After Gitmo'
Time, January 6, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/ybgdkuv

"In addition, two Guantanamo Bay prisoners released 
previously have become leaders of al-Qaeda in Yemen..."

'Obama's Guantanamo problems pile up'
By Paul Reynolds
BBC News, January 6, 2010  
http://tinyurl.com/yk73lqc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[seekliberation]

I saw the beginning of this video, and agree with it for the most part.  But it 
is still in the same spirit of blaming something or someone other than our own 
selves.  Also, it is not big corporations and government alone.  It is everyone 
i've come across in my life.  Priests, teachers, parents, close friends, store 
owners, bosses, co-workers, basically everyone in my life at one time or 
another has some way of trying to convince me to spend more money, try to 
acquire things that I don't really want, or simply make me feel like i'm 
missing out on something.  If i'm going to blame big business and government 
and hate them for it, then I have no logical choice but to hate all my friends, 
family and co-workers as well.  

One thing i've learned over the years is that if you're weak or ignorant, you 
are fair game.period.  I know it's sad, but we're not here on this planet 
to remain ignorant forever, and most of us are young souls with a tendency to 
take advantage of one another.  IMHO, I think the people who take advantage of 
us are sometimes nature's way of forcing us to break free from weaknesses and 
ignorance that would otherwise remain strong without those who take advantage 
in the first place.  Kind of a 'that which does not kill me makes me stronger' 
concept.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> 
> As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during 
> the 20th century to make us more willing consumers.  Look up the BBC 
> documentary "Century of the Self" on Google Video.  Heh, I've even been 
> on the "other side of the desk" for that too. ;-)
>

[FairfieldLife] What was he thinking?

[WillyTex]

Like Tiger Woods, Barack Obama let his eye 
off the ball and then he dropped it. Obama 
didn't keep America safe. 

It's probably too late for Tiger to save 
his marriage, but it's time for Obama to 
wake up and smell the coffee. 

It's not enough to stop sending Guantanamo 
detainees back to Yemen!

WASHINGTON – Two Guantanamo detainees who 
were sent back to Saudi Arabia -- Abu Sufyan 
al-Azdi al-Shihri and Mazin Salih Musaid al- 
Alawial-Awfi -- are leaders of al-Qaeda in 
the Arabian Peninsula, according to the April 
Pentagon report...Since Obama took office, 42 
detainees have been repatriated, seven of 
them to Yemen...'

Full story:

'One in 5 ex-Guantanamo detainees joining 
militants'
By Adam Entous and Phil Stewart
Reuters, January 6, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/ycwoasf

"President Obama has weakened American 
security by treating terror as a law 
enforcement matter, refusing to use every 
tool at his disposal to prevent attacks, 
and taking his eye off the ball..."

'Another Cheney blasts Obama on terrorism'
Posted by Foon Rhee
Boston Globe, January 6, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/yh6stpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Useless Machine Ever

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "PaliGap" 
wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4&feature=player_embedded

>


LOL ! That's great !

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Becky" 
wrote:
> >
> > I just had to inject in this group people will judge me.
> > They always do,many do.
>
> While I welcome you and appreciate your comments
> about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be
> a more graceful way to introduce yourself than,
> "Hi. I'm new here. Many of you are going to judge
> me and beat me up and condemn me like everyone
> else has done in my whole life. I expect it."
>
> Seems to me that you're working out a "self fulfilling
> prophecy" thang here.
>
> How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an
> opinion about something and seeing what reaction
> it gets, without trying to "pre-program" what
> that reaction might be?
>
> It is my experience that those who feel the need
> to announce that they are pagans within seconds
> of meeting them are *hoping* for a bad reaction
> and some kind of "persecution." If that's *not*
> what you're looking for, you might consider
> starting over.
>

The first post I ever read of TurquoiseB was a disgusting insult about
someone's nether regions. He's cleaned up his act a little since then I
see.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Becky" 
wrote:
>
> I just had to inject in this group people will judge me.
> They always do,many do.That's ok it leaves more for questions,and with
the open minded questions can contribute to others and then hence forth
knowledge eventually leads towards wisdom.
>
> I LOVED,LOVED the flick Avatar,it spoke to me in many levels
spirtually,as Dances with Wolves had,it justr had "BETTER" IMAX 3-D
imaging. But a good storyline.I gave it 4 stars. It will sink any movie
ever in the History of mankind ever!!! It took 4 yrs to make!!!
>
> The"I see you",really got me way down emtionally.Like the ending of
Dances with Wolves had when the angry indian says,"you are the wind in
my hair,you are the smile on the clouds,etc I cry everytime!
> Same goes with the ending og the movie,Ghost. I was seventeen when I
saw it,with a guy. I tryed to find a guy to make me"love myself."
> I had oodles of men,but not what I wanted,and it was always sex.
>
> Sorry I'm being very honest here,and I am really trying to make a
valid point here.I did not my own idenity until I was twenty eight.
> I used to be a Christain for many,many yrs. I was"TAUGHT" to be so.
> I am now a proud pagan,not witch.
>
> Look up this site before even passing judgement ok-www.witchvox.com
> Look up www.ravengramassi.com  . I WILL
NOT TALK TO ANY BIBLE THUMPERS AT ALL Ok,gotta go. ~ Blessed Be
~
>


My mother was a white witch and pagan devotee of Gaia. I am the son of
my pagan mother and atheist father, who, in turn, were the children of
atheists and agnostics. Others on this discussion here are agnostics,
atheists, deists, a couple of pretend buddhists, and some who could be
loosely described as vedantists (followers of ancient wisdom - "Ved"),
along with some occultists and tantrics, and some plain old
run-of-the-mill grumpy old men (as you've already met in the case of
TurquoiseB)

You'll fit right in here. Welcome.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an 
> opinion about something and seeing what reaction 
> it gets, without trying to "pre-program" what 
> that reaction might be? 

Once you've been here as long as Barry, though, you
can feel entirely free to "pre-program" the reaction
to your posts, just as he does:

"And my bet is that many of the female persuasion will
become uptight over this skeptical report, just as
religious fanatics become uptight when skeptics ask them
to prove the existence of God"

And if your pre-programming turns out not to work, you
can do what Barry does as well: pretend it *did* work.
Like this:

"Please note that my tongue-in-cheek introduction to
a news article I neither agreed with nor disagreed
with has proved completely true on FFL"

Barry claims the right never to admit making a mistake.
You might as well do the same; that way you can say
any durn thing you please, and you'll never have to be
accountable.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!

[Rick Archer]

The guy who sent me this now says: 
 
Hahaha,
the gag is, this is not the raja,
but some guy dressed as one of the holy three men,
that moved to find Jesus.
Its a holiday on Jan. 6th in southern Germany.

That's why it was news on front page,
that our homosexual outerside minister is
meeting with the holy men.
Nice photo, no deeper meaning involved 


I wondered why the crowns were thicker.
 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:34 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja 
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Happy New Year,
> and a sensation in germany.
> Our outside minister,
> Guido Westerwave,
> was honored by our Raja.
> They discussed, how to make TM more
> attractive for homosexual people 

Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up 
in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads.

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[off_world_beings]

<>

Great !  I guess I'll have to see it after all !
I know its going to be a bunch of cliche-ridden extravagenvce, but I'll
support the ethos at least - anything that pisses off neocons and
fundamentalsist is all right by me !

OffWorld






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "do.rflex" 
wrote:
>
>
> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
>
> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms
>
> By Patrick Goldstein
>   [avatar_movie_promo_screenshot]
>
> It's no secret that "Avatar" has been stunningly successful on
> nearly every front. The James Cameron-directed sci-fi epic is already
> the fourth-highest-grossing film of all time, having earned more than
$1
> billion around the globe in less than three weeks of theatrical
release.
>
> The film also has garnered effusive praise from critics, who've been
> planting its flag on a variety of critics Top 10 lists. The 3-D trip
to
> Pandora is also viewed as a veritable shoo-in for a best picture Oscar
> nomination when the academy announces its nominees on Feb. 2.
>
> But amid this avalanche of praise and popularity, guess who hates the
> movie? America's prickly cadre of political conservatives.
>
> For years, pundits and bloggers on the right have ceaselessly attacked
> liberal Hollywood for being out of touch with rank and file
moviegoers,
> complaining that executives and filmmakers continue to make films that
> have precious little resonance with Middle America.
>
> They have reacted with scorn to such high-profile liberal political
> advocacy films as "Syriana," "Milk," "W.," "Religulous," "Lions for
> Lambs," "Brokeback Mountain," "In the Valley of Elah," "Rendition" and
> "Good Night, and Good Luck," saying that the movies' poor performances
> at the box office were a clear sign of how thoroughly uninterested
real
> people were in the pet causes of showbiz progressives.
>
> Of course, "Avatar" totally turns this theory on its head.
>
> As a host of critics have noted, the film offers a blatantly
> pro-environmental message; it portrays U.S. military contractors in a
> decidedly negative light; and it clearly evokes the can't-we-all-get
> along vibe of the 1960s counterculture.
>
> These are all messages guaranteed to alienate everyday moviegoers, so
> say the right-wing pundits -- and yet the film has been wholeheartedly
> embraced by audiences everywhere, from Mississippi to Manhattan.
>
> To say that the film has evoked a storm of ire on the right would be
an
> understatement.
>
> Big Hollywood's John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing
film
> essayists, blasted the film, calling it "a sanctimonious thud of a
movie
> so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC cliches that not a
> single plot turn, large or small, surprises. . . . Think of 'Avatar'
as
> 'Death Wish' for leftists, a simplistic, revisionist revenge fantasy
> where if you . . . hate the bad guys (America) you're able to forgive
> the by-the-numbers predictability of it all."
>
> John Podhoretz, the Weekly Standard's film critic, called the film
> "blitheringly stupid; indeed, it's among the dumbest movies I've ever
> seen." He goes on to say: "You're going to hear a lot over the next
> couple of weeks about the movie's politics -- about how it's a Green
> epic about despoiling the environment, and an attack on the war in
Iraq.
> . . . The conclusion does ask the audience to root for the defeat of
> American soldiers at the hands of an insurgency.
>
> So it is a deep expression of anti-Americanism -- kind of. The thing
is,
> one would be giving Jim Cameron too much credit to take 'Avatar' --
with
> its . . . hatred of the military and American institutions and the
> notion that to be human is just way uncool -- at all seriously as a
> political document. It's more interesting as an example of how deeply
> rooted these standard issue counterculture cliches in Hollywood have
> become by now."
>
> Ross Douthat, writing in the New York Times, took Cameron to task on
> another favorite conservative front, as yet another Hollywood
filmmaker
> who refuses to acknowledge the power of religion. Douthat calls
"Avatar"
> the "Gospel according to James. But not the Christian Gospel. Instead,
> 'Avatar' is Cameron's long apologia for pantheism -- a faith that
> equates God with Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion
> with the natural world." Douthat contends that societies close to
> nature, like the Na'vi in "Avatar," aren't shining Edens at all --
> "they're places where existence tends to be nasty, brutish and short."
>
> There are tons of other grumpy conservative broadsides against the
film,
> but I'll spare you the details, except to say that Cameron's grand
> cinematic fantasy, with its mixture of social comment, mysticism and
> transcendent, fanboy-style video game animation, seems to have hit a
> very raw nerve with political conservatives, who view everything --
> foreign affairs, global warming, the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction

[Bhairitu]

The 4th part covers the marketing of the "me" generation or "have it 
your way."  Now we have the marketing or attempted marketing of the "we" 
generation.  Not sure how that is going to work out.  Most of my friends 
and family were aware of these things.  I was warned against fads 
growing up.  If consumers were like me advertising wouldn't work. ;-)

But I do think we have allowed corporations to get away with too much 
and grow too large and therefore influence government.  That's a scam 
and tyranny.

seekliberation wrote:
> I saw the beginning of this video, and agree with it for the most part.  But 
> it is still in the same spirit of blaming something or someone other than our 
> own selves.  Also, it is not big corporations and government alone.  It is 
> everyone i've come across in my life.  Priests, teachers, parents, close 
> friends, store owners, bosses, co-workers, basically everyone in my life at 
> one time or another has some way of trying to convince me to spend more 
> money, try to acquire things that I don't really want, or simply make me feel 
> like i'm missing out on something.  If i'm going to blame big business and 
> government and hate them for it, then I have no logical choice but to hate 
> all my friends, family and co-workers as well.  
>
> One thing i've learned over the years is that if you're weak or ignorant, you 
> are fair game.period.  I know it's sad, but we're not here on this planet 
> to remain ignorant forever, and most of us are young souls with a tendency to 
> take advantage of one another.  IMHO, I think the people who take advantage 
> of us are sometimes nature's way of forcing us to break free from weaknesses 
> and ignorance that would otherwise remain strong without those who take 
> advantage in the first place.  Kind of a 'that which does not kill me makes 
> me stronger' concept.  
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
>   
>> As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during 
>> the 20th century to make us more willing consumers.  Look up the BBC 
>> documentary "Century of the Self" on Google Video.  Heh, I've even been 
>> on the "other side of the desk" for that too. ;-)
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > Shemp will HATE AVATAR. He'll be sitting there in
> > the theater trying to admire the film for *nothing
> > more meaningful than making a shitload of money*
> > and find himself sitting there watching the glori-
> > fication of everything he most hates in life. And
> > the presentation of most of the things he loves in
> > life as the Neanderthal Thinking they really are.
>
>
> I think Shemp will not only hate it, he'll spew a number of hate
> mails on it, like he does to those who are pro-environment. Deep
> inside it will work on his cognitive dissonance with his latent
> "Vedic" programming. So much of what the N'Avi are into is Maharishi
> Vedic living. And he despises that too.
>

FANTASTIC ! ... I can't wait until Shemp sees it then !   When are you
going to see it Shemp?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "seekliberation"
 wrote:
>
> I saw the movie.  Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. 
Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do
find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of
the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly
despise.  The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were
hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. 
Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. >>

A lot of liberals think that Native Americans were saints too, just like
right wing Christians think bombing children en-masse is somehow
righteous.

OffWorld

<
> seekliberation
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
> > >
> > > Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms
> > >
> > > By Patrick Goldstein
> >
> > It's interesting that Mr. Goldstein doesn't seem to have
> > picked up on the outrage of many *liberals* at what they
> > perceive as the film's distinctly racist undertones. (Some
> > have also suggested that it's sexist and has a bad
> > attitude toward the disabled. One blogger insisted the
> > film wasn't anti-military, it was anti-*mercenary*,
> > pointing out that other films of Cameron's--"Aliens" and
> > "The Abyss"-- have actually exalted the regular military.)
> >
> > I thought I remembered someone here mentioning the racist
> > aspect--Shemp, perhaps--but I can't locate the post.
> >
> > Anyway, here's a few examples (among many) of criticism
> > from the left:
> >
> >
http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/intentions-be-damned-avatar-is-rac\
ist.html

> > http://tinyurl.com/yer2mb5 
> >
> >
http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-race-and-racialism-in-avat\
ar.html

> > http://tinyurl.com/yhswhed 
> >
> >
http://globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avatar-raci\
sm-misogyny-and-disabled-prejudice/#more-3534

> > http://tinyurl.com/yf3mefk 
> >
> >
http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like\
-avatar

> > http://tinyurl.com/ybshwoy 
> >
> > CAVEAT FOR THE FEEBLE-MINDED: Barry will, of course, rush
> > to claim I'm reviewing a movie I haven't seen. Those with
> > a few brain cells to rub together, however, will note that
> > I have not expressed an opinion. I just find it curious
> > that Mr. Goldstein seems to be aware only of criticism of
> > the film from the right.
> >
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of off_world_beings
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:55 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
 
  
FANTASTIC ! ... I can't wait until Shemp sees it then !   When are you going
to see it Shemp?
OffWorld
Shemp was banished for a week for overposting.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[jeff.evans60]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO.
> Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do
> find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of
> the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly
> despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were
> hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment.
> Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The
> only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine
> joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members
> and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone
> else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with
> Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from
> either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides
> of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is
> incomplete.
> 
> 
> Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister
> pointed out to me that all the Indian women in
> "Dances With Wolves" were beautifully groomed,
> their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas
> the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman
> who was supposedly completely assimilated into
> the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was
> loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed
> it. That had to have been a choice, but what was
> it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow.
> 
I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in the 1860's ( although 
she obviously had access to curling tongs )

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jeff.evans60"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister
> > pointed out to me that all the Indian women in
> > "Dances With Wolves" were beautifully groomed,
> > their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas
> > the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman
> > who was supposedly completely assimilated into
> > the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was
> > loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed
> > it. That had to have been a choice, but what was
> > it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow.
> > 
> I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in
> the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling
> tongs )

Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly
looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
wavy.

I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept
her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the
impression that she had somehow become wild and savage
when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women
were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't!

It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it
through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with
the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them*
without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No
doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers,
but it was just rather unpleasant.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For the gadget geeks on FFL

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> This week is the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.  Though
> I've been before I didn't go this year.  The show is too hard on
> the feet as it is in a huge convention center with concrete 
> floors.  Even a new pair of NB running shoes didn't help much the
> last time I went (2003).

Forget NB. For *seriously* comfortable running shoes, get Asics Gel Kayanos or 
Asics Gel Kinetics. Worth every penny!

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Dishonesty" - Etude No 1 in Peed Off Major (was Doom & Gloom etc)

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> azgrey wrote:
> > Anybody taking bets on how many more posts will 
> > be exchanged before she calls him a liar? 
> >
> How much would you be willing to wager?
> 

I refuse to meet your strict currency requirements of 
Raams or prarie dog pelts o wise and toothless Willy.

http://rwilliams.us/legaltender/

Republic of Texas shekels adorned with Kinky Friedman's
smiling face would, however, be acceptable.   

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[jeff.evans60]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jeff.evans60"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister
> > > pointed out to me that all the Indian women in
> > > "Dances With Wolves" were beautifully groomed,
> > > their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas
> > > the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman
> > > who was supposedly completely assimilated into
> > > the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was
> > > loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed
> > > it. That had to have been a choice, but what was
> > > it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow.
> > > 
> > I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in
> > the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling
> > tongs )
> 
> Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly
> looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> wavy.
> 
> I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept
> her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the
> impression that she had somehow become wild and savage
> when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women
> were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't!
> 
> It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it
> through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with
> the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them*
> without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No
> doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers,
> but it was just rather unpleasant.
>
Assuming it was a conscious decision how she was portrayed , I think the 
message the filmmaker was trying to give was that the Indians were happy to 
allow her to live with them without trying to force their cultural identity on 
her . Similar to the way the native culture adapts to its surroundings, unlike 
the white man who attempts to impose his will on his environment. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jeff.evans60"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jeff.evans60"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister
> > > > pointed out to me that all the Indian women in
> > > > "Dances With Wolves" were beautifully groomed,
> > > > their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas
> > > > the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman
> > > > who was supposedly completely assimilated into
> > > > the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was
> > > > loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed
> > > > it. That had to have been a choice, but what was
> > > > it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow.
> > > > 
> > > I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in
> > > the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling
> > > tongs )
> > 
> > Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly
> > looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> > the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> > neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> > hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> > wavy.
> > 
> > I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept
> > her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> > most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the
> > impression that she had somehow become wild and savage
> > when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women
> > were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't!
> > 
> > It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it
> > through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with
> > the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them*
> > without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No
> > doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers,
> > but it was just rather unpleasant.
> >
> Assuming it was a conscious decision how she was portrayed ,
> I think the message the filmmaker was trying to give was
> that the Indians were happy to allow her to live with them
> without trying to force their cultural identity on her .

Oh, I don't think so. She'd been taken in by the tribe
when she was a little girl. I don't think at that point
she would have had a cultural identity that would have
made her grow up never combing her hair and looking
like a slattern. Her real mother would never have let
her look like that.

And of course she had adopted all the other elements of
the tribal identity, clothing, social customs, language
(if you recall, she had to struggle to remember any
English at all). They were her people as far as she was
concerned. When Dunbar first encountered her, she was in
deep, desperate mourning for her recently dead Indian
husband, with whom she'd been very much in love.

I think her hair reflected the filmmakers' notions of
what a white woman would look like if she had been
raised as an Indian, and it simply didn't occur to
them that none of the *real* Indian women looked like
that. They never compared their own image with the
reality.


 Similar to the way the native culture adapts to its surroundings, unlike the 
white man who attempts to impose his will on his environment.
>

[FairfieldLife] Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[John]

To All:

Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature.  We find similar feats in 
the gospels and stories of Christian saints.  These siddhis can be considered 
as samadhi which is a byproduct of meditation.

The Christian gospels do not talk so much of meditation as the vedic literature 
does.  But the gospels do talk much about faith in one's teacher or beliefs.  
This faith is equivalent to meditation, a practice that attempts to transcend 
thoughts and reason.

What did it mean for someone to walk on water?  At the very least, the gospel 
writers were saying that the person had control of the elements of water and 
the air.  In other words, the person had control over his appetite and sexual 
urges.  In can interpreted that water represents the sense of taste, and air 
represents the sense of touch or sexual urge. 

At best, the writers were saying that the person actually did the seemingly 
impossible by hovering over the water.  Thus, we read that St. Peter was able 
to walk on water as he approached Jesus, but started to sink when he doubted 
his faith.

JR