date:20110331


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> 
> From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
> 
> "For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has to
> be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
> life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is the
> technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are truthful in our
> thinking and speaking, the words that come out must be pleasing, soft,
> and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking pleasingly lies in
> cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and kindness of
> heart that will not at any time produce harshness of speech. ... Blessed
> are they who speak sweet words."
> 


Well yes, the TM-Movement's sweet truth.

If X then Y.
If not X then not Y.

If harmonious, then... 

Om, towards this Maharishi quote's end is that
transcribed correctly as pleasingly 'lies' or 'lays'?
How should we read that?  Which sweet truth?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The authenticity of the human being . . .

2011-03-31 Thread do.rflex



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I watched a few minutes of this video.  I think it's the typical boring,
> "I'm going to make a difference" video, and likely made for the ego
> gratification of the person making it.  


I recommend that you watch the whole thing. You appear to completely miss the 
guy's point.




> Personally I like my alone time,
> and when I have it, I don't care to interact with people and I generally
> don't care to make eye contact.  I would consider what he is doing a
> real intrusion if I were sitting alone on the subway.  If you want to
> make a difference begin in your family,or the people you work with, and
> show them respect in every day life, not a one shot video.  YMMV of
> course.
> 
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ... comes out unexpectedly.
> >
> > 1.1 million people ride the NYC subway every day
> > and no one commonly speaks to each other. They even
> > intentionally avoid eye contact.
> >
> > Watch what happens when someone actually speaks
> > and makes contact:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o0oHlX8Kmxk
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally

Sal, If I'm going to get fucked, I at least want a kiss.  At least Az offered a 
kiss. You did not, and that is the difference.  Kapish?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:40 PM, azgrey wrote:
> 
> > 
> >> hat is really neat, duff (dug from fairfield).  But I hope you have him
> >> the appropiate FF honors.  Starting with a standing O when he walks into
> >> a room, or is introduced.  Hanging on his every word.  Maybe offering
> >> some flowers.  I hope you done the community proud.
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > I loves ya Lurk. You know I truly do from the
> > bottom of my heart, but, are you even capable
> > of writing a grammatically correct declarative 
> > sentence? Christalmightyman!! Grammar police
> > I'm not, but sometimes while reading your posts
> > I think I'm reading something written by someone
> > having a seizure.   
> 
> Uh, oh...get ready, az. :) The last time
> I made some remark in this vein to lurk
> I got tarred with basically just that label. 
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally


I'll have to work on my proof reading.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > That's narrowly interesting. Last weekend here in Fairfield there
was
> > a workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and spiritual
> > experience. About 20 people took it and several traveled coming to
> > Fairfield from out of town to do it. 2 of the total were from
> > 'mindfulness' background (non-vedic) of meditational practices.
> >
> > One of those two is 'awakened' in experience already.
> >
> > That is really neat, duff (dug from fairfield). But I hope you have
him
> > the appropiate FF honors. Starting with a standing O when he walks
into
> > a room, or is introduced. Hanging on his every word. Maybe offering
> > some flowers. I hope you done the community proud.
> >
>
>
> I loves ya Lurk. You know I truly do from the
> bottom of my heart, but, are you even capable
> of writing a grammatically correct declarative
> sentence? Christalmightyman!! Grammar police
> I'm not, but sometimes while reading your posts
> I think I'm reading something written by someone
> having a seizure.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally

2011-03-31 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:40 PM, azgrey wrote:

> 
>> hat is really neat, duff (dug from fairfield).  But I hope you have him
>> the appropiate FF honors.  Starting with a standing O when he walks into
>> a room, or is introduced.  Hanging on his every word.  Maybe offering
>> some flowers.  I hope you done the community proud.
>> 
> 
> 
> I loves ya Lurk. You know I truly do from the
> bottom of my heart, but, are you even capable
> of writing a grammatically correct declarative 
> sentence? Christalmightyman!! Grammar police
> I'm not, but sometimes while reading your posts
> I think I'm reading something written by someone
> having a seizure.   

Uh, oh...get ready, az. :) The last time
I made some remark in this vein to lurk
I got tarred with basically just that label. 

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally

2011-03-31 Thread azgrey



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > That's narrowly interesting. Last weekend here in Fairfield there was
> a workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and spiritual
> experience. About 20 people took it and several traveled coming to
> Fairfield from out of town to do it. 2 of the total were from
> 'mindfulness' background (non-vedic) of meditational practices.
> 
> One of those two is 'awakened' in experience already.
> 
> That is really neat, duff (dug from fairfield).  But I hope you have him
> the appropiate FF honors.  Starting with a standing O when he walks into
> a room, or is introduced.  Hanging on his every word.  Maybe offering
> some flowers.  I hope you done the community proud.
>


 I loves ya Lurk. You know I truly do from the
bottom of my heart, but, are you even capable
of writing a grammatically correct declarative 
sentence? Christalmightyman!! Grammar police
I'm not, but sometimes while reading your posts
I think I'm reading something written by someone
having a seizure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:

> You have definitely piqued my interest. I don't want to spoil this
game,
> obviously you guys have devoted your whole lives and invested a lot of
> energy in comparison of balls.. Not sure what Jim would have said, but
> he posted out anyway so it doesn't matter. So what do you suggest
> Peterji and Steveji - do I need to send in a picture of my balls,
shaven
> or unshaven, you must have some specimen of Maharishi's balls I
assume.
> And then what are the rules, you must be the judges and then you
declare
> a winner right? Ok please send me all the details before Friday when I
> can post freely again, OMG I'm so excited .

Ravi, the only thing to really be concerned with is if the testicles
have not descended.  But this is normally addressed shortly after birth.
Once you verify that the testicles have descended, then I would not
worry much about.  It is just the normal, natural process.

Now this is how we will discuss things, easily, morning and evening. 
(from the TM checking notes, for Ravi's benefit)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> She's doing great now. Awakened after leaving the movement and sitting
with
> various satsang teachers.

Glad to hear it Rick.  Of course she couldn't get enlightened while in
the movment.  that wouldn't be kosher.  And with Passover coming up, for
sure it wouldn't be kosher for Passover.  But praise the lord that she
is now sitting with various satsang teachers. The true sign of
enlightenment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

I would try askjeeeves.com.  It is probably a very common occurance, and
jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it.  "Dear Jeeves, my
kundalini is on fire and I am writhing around like a snake here at 3:00
am.  Can you please give some advice on what to do".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> >
> > I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the
last thing you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an
emergency hamburger or two!
>
>
> If your kundalini is on fire the last thing you WANT to do is asanas,
but that's excactly what you should do. Hamburgers, not so much.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The authenticity of the human being . . .

I watched a few minutes of this video.  I think it's the typical boring,
"I'm going to make a difference" video, and likely made for the ego
gratification of the person making it.  Personally I like my alone time,
and when I have it, I don't care to interact with people and I generally
don't care to make eye contact.  I would consider what he is doing a
real intrusion if I were sitting alone on the subway.  If you want to
make a difference begin in your family,or the people you work with, and
show them respect in every day life, not a one shot video.  YMMV of
course.

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> ... comes out unexpectedly.
>
> 1.1 million people ride the NYC subway every day
> and no one commonly speaks to each other. They even
> intentionally avoid eye contact.
>
> Watch what happens when someone actually speaks
> and makes contact:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o0oHlX8Kmxk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about
more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM
with this for people who would need help with that, besides meditating.
It obviously was out of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by
without touching it.


Many of the world's great entrepreneurs begin by identifying an
unserved, or underserved need and then addressing it.  So maybe this is
your calling Dug.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Archebitch



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> No, this is not a rap about Judy. :-) It's just musings about the
> Archetypal Evil Bitch, as personified by Morgan Le Fay from the
> Arthurian legends.
>
> Morgan has always been one of my favorite characters in books and
> movies. She is just *deliciously* evil, in ways that make other evil
> bitches pale by comparison. Thus her character provides a challenge to
> writers of Arthurian fiction, but even more so to actresses portraying
> Morgan in films. Many actresses have tried to capture Morgan's high
> evilbitchnessitude in movies or on TV. And failed. To date, only one
has
> succeeded -- the great Helen Mirren, in the film "Excalibur." She
> basically "set the bar" for portrayals of Morgan Le Fay, the standard
> that any actress in the future has to try to match or exceed.

Really, I think this is very unfair to Cruella DeVille, and I take
exception to it.

I for one
> thought that no actress would ever even get close. But then I heard
> about the "casting coup of the year," and the fact that the STARZ
> network had cast Eva Green in the part.
>
> If you don't know the name, try to remember back to the most recent
> "Casino Royale" film, and literally the first "Bond girl" ever to be a
> match for James Bond. Better, remember back further to Bertolucci's
"The
> Dreamers," which she starred in at age 22. Bertolucci, who knew Eva
> growing up because he knew her mother (French actress Marlène
> Jobert),
> described her as "so beautiful it's indecent," which is an
> understatement. She carried her first film off well, and even wrote
> several songs for the score. She's not only beautiful and a talented
> actress, she's smart.
>
> So if any actress had a shot at being as interesting as Helen Mirren
in
> the part of Morgan Le Fay, it was Eva Green, and I found myself
looking
> forward to seeing the TV production. Today I got to watch a reviewer
> version of the first episode.
>
> Sadly, given that first episode, STARZ is not giving her a lot to work
> with except some lovely costumes. Suffice it to say that the writing
is
> not up to the level of the network's "Spartacus: Blood And Sand."
Jamie
> Campbell Bower is far too pretty as Arthur and Joseph Fiennes is far
too
> wussy as Merlin. At least so far. I'm hoping for more in future
> episodes, both from them and from the writing, but I may be hoping in
> vain.
>
> So far, there's not a great deal more to Eva Green's performance as
> Morgan Le Fay than just being able to look at her. Then again, that's
> almost enough. :-)
>
> [Eva Green Camelot] [Eva Green in Camelot TV Series Season One Image]
>

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> That's narrowly interesting. Last weekend here in Fairfield there was
a workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and spiritual
experience. About 20 people took it and several traveled coming to
Fairfield from out of town to do it. 2 of the total were from
'mindfulness' background (non-vedic) of meditational practices.

One of those two is 'awakened' in experience already.

That is really neat, duff (dug from fairfield).  But I hope you have him
the appropiate FF honors.  Starting with a standing O when he walks into
a room, or is introduced.  Hanging on his every word.  Maybe offering
some flowers.  I hope you done the community proud.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2011-03-31 Thread FFL PostCount

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49 authfriend 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Silly Thought Implementor

2011-03-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Mar 31, 2011, at 12:32 PM, PaliGap wrote:

> Ever thought where you'd end up if you dug a hole
> straight down through the Earth from where you are now?
> 
> No? Come on, you're on FFL after all. This is much
> more interesting than the "81 types of  turiya", or
> the "47 types of laxity" or other assorted whore-charming
> architectonic (nod to Ravi-ji) that you find here isn't it?
> 
> http://map.talleye.com/bighole.php
> 
> (After you put in your post code, you click on
> the green flag. You may have to zoom out a tad to
> find it. Plus the dig flag is pretty small).
> 
> I end up in the sea south of New Zealand.
> 
> How absolutely, incredibly fascinating!

>From Fairfield, it's the middle of the Indian Ocean.
Think I'll take a pass.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

2011-03-31 Thread John

Ravi Yogi,

You made my day!  This post is hilarious.  Now we know why certain individuals 
in this forum act the way they do.

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are
> > smaller!
> >
> > kind of like cracker balls (from the fireworks store) I am guessing
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> Wow, the fascination of mature adults with decades of spiritual life,
> with containers or balls in this case..LOL, it's a never ending quest.
> That's why I keep repeating ad nauseam the pimp("ego") is ever
> fascinated with the whore("intellect") or balls. The pimps almost always
> have the Small Ball Syndrome and the conditions get aggravated by
> someone they think are challenging them. (Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy.D ,UC
> Berekeley's research paper available and will be released soon, the
> paper concludes how the pimp can't accept the notion of dependence on
> the wore and the possibility of a life outside the 'hood).
> 
> 
> 
> You have definitely piqued my interest. I don't want to spoil this game,
> obviously you guys have devoted your whole lives and invested a lot of
> energy in comparison of balls.. Not sure what Jim would have said, but
> he posted out anyway so it doesn't matter. So what do you suggest
> Peterji and Steveji - do I need to send in a picture of my balls, shaven
> or unshaven, you must have some specimen of Maharishi's balls I assume.
> And then what are the rules, you must be the judges and then you declare
> a winner right? Ok please send me all the details before Friday when I
> can post freely again, OMG I'm so excited .
> 
> 
> 
> The rest of the message for is for Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> Barry - I was saving my 50th message for you. You know how much I
> appreciate your work in transforming your dependence on dead gurus and
> scriptures into attachment for jivanmuktas. I'm so glad you have stopped
> posting your idiotic messages on comparing TMO/MMY with Facebook,
> Mormons, Catholics, Scientologists, Economic Psychology or whatever new
> thoery that comes up in the leading newspapers.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm actually glad Jim posted out. I was strongly against your focus on
> Three goons. I'm hoping Judy posts out but even if she didn't she hasn't
> declared herself to be awakened so no worries. This is your chance to
> focus completely on me. You know how much I appreciate you consistently
> making a fool of yourself here, it has greatly helped me compile a wide
> variety of research articles to help you - Small Penis Complex, PTMSD. I
> agree, its not easy but you can do it and I'm here to support your work.
> Checkout my Yahoo profile, there are a sample of photos that will help
> you concentrate more.
> 
> 
> 
> Keep up the good work - focus on the original goon, the original gangsta
> of the divine mother.
> 
> 
> 
> Love - Ravi Yogi.
> 
> > > --- On Thu, 3/31/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > >
> > > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:27 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at
> work
> > that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)
> > >
> > > Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding
> > why some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and
> > enlightenment, I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from
> > Maharishi on the subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go
> > back to look at only the first few words (the ones that appear in
> > Yahoo's Message View) of a few of the 64 posts they made during the
> > first 30 hours of this FFL posting week, during which they were
> > indulging in a bit of a "feeding frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters,
> > all of whom are coincidentally often described by Judy Stein as "TM
> > critics" or "anti-TMers," and all of whom (again coincidentally) are
> > among the most highly-placed on her own personal Enemies List and
> > subjects of her own "sweet speech."
> > >
> > > Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
> > posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though
> some
> > of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
> > claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being
> talked
> > about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
> > be enlightened. You decide.
> > >
> > > From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
> > >
> > > "For speech to be harmonious, appropr

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Big Deadline Today

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

The classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSyzeVWueI&feature=related

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Ravi Yogi  wrote:

From: Ravi Yogi 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 5:43 PM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are
> smaller!
> 
> kind of like cracker balls (from the fireworks store) I am guessing
> 
> 
> >

Wow, the fascination of mature adults with decades of spiritual life, with 
containers or balls in this case..LOL, it's a never ending quest. That's why I 
keep repeating ad nauseam the pimp("ego") is ever fascinated with the 
whore("intellect") or balls. The pimps almost always have the Small Ball 
Syndrome and the conditions get aggravated by someone they think are 
challenging them. (Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy.D ,UC Berekeley's research paper 
available and will be released soon, the paper concludes how the pimp can't 
accept the notion of dependence on the wore and the possibility of a life 
outside the 'hood).

You have definitely piqued my interest. I don't want to spoil this game, 
obviously you guys have devoted your whole lives and invested a lot of 
energy in comparison of balls.. Not sure what Jim would have said, but he 
posted out anyway so it doesn't matter. So what do you suggest Peterji and 
Steveji - do I need to send in a picture of my balls, shaven or unshaven, you 
must have some specimen of Maharishi's balls I assume. And then what are the 
rules, you must be the judges and then you declare a winner right? Ok please 
send me all the details before Friday when I can post freely again, OMG I'm so 
excited .

The rest of the message for is for Barry.

Barry - I was saving my 50th message for you. You know how much I appreciate 
your work in transforming your dependence on dead gurus and scriptures into 
attachment for jivanmuktas. I'm so glad you have stopped posting your idiotic 
messages on comparing TMO/MMY with Facebook, Mormons, Catholics, 
Scientologists, Economic Psychology or whatever new thoery that comes up in the 
leading newspapers.

I'm actually glad Jim posted out. I was strongly against your focus on Three 
goons. I'm hoping Judy posts out but even if she didn't she hasn't declared 
herself to be awakened so no worries. This is your chance to focus completely 
on me. You know how much I appreciate you consistently making a fool of 
yourself here, it has greatly helped me compile a wide variety of research 
articles to help you - Small Penis Complex, PTMSD. I agree, its not easy but 
you can do it and I'm here to support your work. Checkout my Yahoo profile, 
there are a sample of photos that will help you concentrate more.

Keep up the good work - focus on the original goon, the original gangsta of the 
divine mother.

Love - Ravi Yogi.
> > --- On Thu, 3/31/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:27 AM
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> that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)
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> > Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding
> why some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and
> enlightenment, I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from
> Maharishi on the subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go
> back to look at only the first few words (the ones that appear in
> Yahoo's Message View) of a few of the 64 posts they made during the
> first 30 hours of this FFL posting week, during which they were
> indulging in a bit of a "feeding frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters,
> all of whom are coincidentally often described by Judy Stein as "TM
> critics" or "anti-TMers," and all of whom (again coincidentally) are
> among the most highly-placed on her own personal Enemies List and
> subjects of her own "sweet speech."
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> > Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
> posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though some
> of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
> claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being talked
> about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
> be enlightened. You decide.
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> > From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
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> > "For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has
> to be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
> life-supporting to the whole

[FairfieldLife] Re: The authenticity of the human being . . .

2011-03-31 Thread danfriedman2002

The young man in the video has mischaracterized those 1.1 million NYC subway 
riders. There is conversation and friendly acknowledgments between people.

What he later finds, is that once he speaks, others reply. Same as any other 
circumstance. Not silences, no avoidance of contact.

Dan Friedman

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
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> ... comes out unexpectedly.
> 
> 1.1 million people ride the NYC subway every day
> and no one commonly speaks to each other. They even 
> intentionally avoid eye contact.
> 
> Watch what happens when someone actually speaks
> and makes contact:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o0oHlX8Kmxk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

2011-03-31 Thread emptybill




We've been over this before.  In Buddhism, samaadhi means dharana while
dhyana-samaapatti is absorption in meditation.

"Transcendence" is a western concept. In Sanskrit, the term
(taraatitaa) is not officially used also (in Buddhism). Sometimes
"transcendence" is used by western educated people as a synonym
for Nirvana.

This article conflates the two  the writer because he doesn't
recognized the different usages, and our very good friend Vaj, because
it is part of his polemic.

"Shamataa" is not transcendence and neither is dhyana-samaapatti
 even the eighth or ninth arupya-samaapatti.

**




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and
> the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 4
> hours:
>
> Reflections on developments of Shamatha and distinction between
> concept and non-conceptual levels of mental experience
> APRIL 15, 2009 by DAVIDV
>
> During the development of Shamatha [Deep Transcendence], Alan Wallace
> describes 9 stages of development in which the quality and nature of
> mental activity changes. We are all familiar with the âmonkey
> mindâ and the sleepy mind that plague the meditator on the
cushion.
> The monkey in our mind is a metaphor for what our mind does when we
> sit with our eyes closed and our mind is flooded with thoughts that
> continually arise and we follow the thoughts like a monkey jumping
> from limb to limb, from concept to concept, from retrospective to
> prospective memory, to ruminative like behavior. We are also plagued
> with qualities of laxity when we sit on the cushion, such that we
> tire easily and fail to see things clearly, or the vastness of
> reality. The adept will cultivate a decrease in excitation (reduction
> of the monkey mind) and decrease in laxity as they progress through
> the stages of shamatha. By the 8th stage of shamatha, mental activity
> at the conceptual level is decreased significantly and refinement
> (sharpening) of perception is increased.
>
> For example, when there is an arising of a cognitive event, Buddhist
> science speaks of 5 mental factors that are present:
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> 1. Volition (direction to the object)
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> 2. Attention (selction/engagement of the object)
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> 3. Contact (perception and cognition fuse)
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> 4. Discrimination (cognitive event is distinguished from something
else)
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> 5. Feeling (sensory experience of pleasure/pain is converted to more
> abstract feeling)
>
> Alan also spoke of 4 different types of intelligence to deal with
> these 5 mental factors:
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> 1. Vast, 2. Clear (vivid), 3. Swift, and 4. Penetrating intelligence
>
> The discussion that ensued in response to the 5 mental factors anf 4
> types of intelligence appeared to suggest that as the practitioner
> moves through the stages of shamatha, attention becomes very vast in
> nature as is described in nirguna awareness or by some as turiya, a
> restful state of undistracted, nonspecific awareness that has no
> author. This cultivated state of awareness involves increased levels
> of clarity and vividness for each concept or arising cognitive
> event, a perceptual acuity that is fast to react and is able to be
> sharp in its integration of all available stimuli and becomes free of
> mnemonic bias and/or distortion. At the point in which mental
> activity is developed to a 8th stage of Shamatha, evaluative
> judgements disapear, there is no grasping of any particular concept,
> and perception is acute.
>
> Perceptual acuity happens to be something that the Shamatha project
> (with Cliff Saron) actually measured 5 months post-retreat.
> Preliminary results suggest that perceptual acuity may improve and be
> sustained as long as practice persists.
>
> HHDL pointed out that a well-trained mind at this stage may be able
> to begin to become aware of subtle forms of energy (from vajrayana/
> tantrayana), channel such energy with intention and create change/
> movement of such energy at a single point in oneâs body. He
also
> said that it may take 4 hrs. of continued single-pointed
> concentration to reach this point. ï¿¼
> HHDL also pointed out that even his own practice on Shunyata
> (emptiness) involves conceptual processing, before the non-conceptual
> vastness arises. He continued to break down conceptualization of an
> act into 3 components:
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> 1. an object of the action
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> 2. the act itself
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> 3. the Agent
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> At a conceptual level, there is a distinction that needs to be made,
> but over time and in some contexts, all 3 components may be one and
> the same.
>

[FairfieldLife] How the National Debt Affects You

2011-03-31 Thread John

The US government owes $14 trillion to other people and countries.  We're 
paying out $58,000 per second to others.  How long can we afford this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/howthenationaldebtaffectsyou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
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> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Peter

> 
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> 
>   
> 
> Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As
> long as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But
> when experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive
> and emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru. 

If they would follow the Programme without overdoing anything nothing would 
happen except enlightenment.
These people, without exception are doing more than they were instructed to.

According to Muktananda Maharishi's Path is the real thing. "Stay in his ship 
and he will take you safe accross the ocean."

But then there are always those who think they can swim faster by themselves.

Later they blame Maharishi. 

Pathetic !

[FairfieldLife] Arguing babies... ; )

2011-03-31 Thread cardemaister


http://video.teamcoco.com/video/conan.jsp?cid=233111

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

2011-03-31 Thread Ravi Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are
> smaller!
>
> kind of like cracker balls (from the fireworks store) I am guessing
>
>
> >

Wow, the fascination of mature adults with decades of spiritual life,
with containers or balls in this case..LOL, it's a never ending quest.
That's why I keep repeating ad nauseam the pimp("ego") is ever
fascinated with the whore("intellect") or balls. The pimps almost always
have the Small Ball Syndrome and the conditions get aggravated by
someone they think are challenging them. (Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy.D ,UC
Berekeley's research paper available and will be released soon, the
paper concludes how the pimp can't accept the notion of dependence on
the wore and the possibility of a life outside the 'hood).

You have definitely piqued my interest. I don't want to spoil this game,
obviously you guys have devoted your whole lives and invested a lot of
energy in comparison of balls.. Not sure what Jim would have said, but
he posted out anyway so it doesn't matter. So what do you suggest
Peterji and Steveji - do I need to send in a picture of my balls, shaven
or unshaven, you must have some specimen of Maharishi's balls I assume.
And then what are the rules, you must be the judges and then you declare
a winner right? Ok please send me all the details before Friday when I
can post freely again, OMG I'm so excited .

The rest of the message for is for Barry.

Barry - I was saving my 50th message for you. You know how much I
appreciate your work in transforming your dependence on dead gurus and
scriptures into attachment for jivanmuktas. I'm so glad you have stopped
posting your idiotic messages on comparing TMO/MMY with Facebook,
Mormons, Catholics, Scientologists, Economic Psychology or whatever new
thoery that comes up in the leading newspapers.

I'm actually glad Jim posted out. I was strongly against your focus on
Three goons. I'm hoping Judy posts out but even if she didn't she hasn't
declared herself to be awakened so no worries. This is your chance to
focus completely on me. You know how much I appreciate you consistently
making a fool of yourself here, it has greatly helped me compile a wide
variety of research articles to help you - Small Penis Complex, PTMSD. I
agree, its not easy but you can do it and I'm here to support your work.
Checkout my Yahoo profile, there are a sample of photos that will help
you concentrate more.

Keep up the good work - focus on the original goon, the original gangsta
of the divine mother.

Love - Ravi Yogi.

> > --- On Thu, 3/31/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:27 AM
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> > The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at
work
> that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)
> >
> > Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding
> why some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and
> enlightenment, I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from
> Maharishi on the subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go
> back to look at only the first few words (the ones that appear in
> Yahoo's Message View) of a few of the 64 posts they made during the
> first 30 hours of this FFL posting week, during which they were
> indulging in a bit of a "feeding frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters,
> all of whom are coincidentally often described by Judy Stein as "TM
> critics" or "anti-TMers," and all of whom (again coincidentally) are
> among the most highly-placed on her own personal Enemies List and
> subjects of her own "sweet speech."
> >
> > Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
> posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though
some
> of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
> claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being
talked
> about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
> be enlightened. You decide.
> >
> > From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
> >
> > "For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has
> to be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
> life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is the
> technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are truthful in
our
> thinking and speaking, the words that come out must be pleasing, soft,
> and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking pleasingly lies in
> cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and kindness
of
> heart tha

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

2011-03-31 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:14 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep
Transcendence

I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the last
thing you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an emergency
hamburger or two!

She's doing great now. Awakened after leaving the movement and sitting with
various satsang teachers.

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep
Transcendence
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 3:34 PM

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Peter L Sutphen
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:34 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep
Transcendence

Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As
long as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But
when experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive
and emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru. 

I was just chatting with someone who had experienced this. She was writhing
on the floor at 3am with her Kundalini on fire. Sidhi administrators told
her to try a vata pacifying diet and more asanas.

Peter

On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Vaj  wrote:

On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:

One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about
more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with
this for people who would need help with that, besides meditating.  It
obviously was out of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by without
touching it.

On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that Mahesh
had tried to buy out the families that preserved the traditions of
Kalarippayattu, which contained all the secrets of the marmas and the nadis
in an oral tradition, the written versions of which made no sense unless
you'd received actual practical instruction. The families who held the
teaching could not be bought, at any price. And thus the teachings were
never given to the movement. Their main person, John Douiliard, found a
master who taught the science and moved on. To this day that guru comes back
to FF to help rescue the many damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and
unguided practice.

Who is that guru?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the last 
> thing you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an emergency 
> hamburger or two!

If your kundalini is on fire the last thing you WANT to do is asanas, but 
that's excactly what you should do. Hamburgers, not so much.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the last thing 
you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an emergency hamburger 
or two!

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 3:34 PM

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter L Sutphen
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:34 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence 
   Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As 
long as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when 
experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive and 
emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru.   I was just chatting with 
someone who had experienced this. She was writhing on the floor at 3am with her 
Kundalini on fire. Sidhi administrators told her to try a vata pacifying diet 
and more asanas.

Peter  
On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Vaj  wrote:  On Mar 31, 
2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:

One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most 
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about more 
guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with this for 
people who would need help with that, besides meditating.  It obviously was out 
of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by without touching it.        On 
the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that Mahesh had 
tried to buy out the families that preserved the traditions of Kalarippayattu, 
which contained all the secrets of the marmas and the nadis in an oral 
tradition, the written versions of which made no sense unless you'd received 
actual practical instruction. The families who held the teaching could not be 
bought, at any price. And thus the teachings were never given to the movement. 
Their main person, John Douiliard, found a master who taught the science and 
moved on. To this day that guru comes back
 to FF to help rescue the many damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and 
unguided practice.  Who is that guru?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter L Sutphen
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:34 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep > 
>  
> 
> I was just chatting with someone who had experienced this. She was writhing 
> on the floor at 3am with her Kundalini on fire. Sidhi administrators told her 
> to try a vata pacifying diet and more asanas.
> 
> 
> 
> Peter


Sounds like a very good, commonsense advice.

[FairfieldLife] End the US-led Armed Intervention in Libya

« Wilkes-Barre, PA 
The Symphony Way  
»   FYI: On LibyaBy Raj   on
03/30/2011 in Uncategorized

The staff at Focus on the Global South   put
together this announcement last week. Given today's news from Syria,
and President Assad's finger-pointing at outside intervention,
Focus' position is prescient and pressing. Original here
 .



End the US-led Armed Intervention in Libya

(Statement of Focus on the Global South, March 22, 2011)

Focus on the Global South supports the democratic opposition in Libya
that seeks to end the 43-year-old dictatorship of Muammar Gaddafi. Focus
shares the Libyan people's desire to be free of a corrupt and
repressive ruler who does not hesitate to employ massive force against
his own people to hang on to power.

Focus cannot, however, support the massive armed intervention launched
by the United States, France, and Britain on Sunday, March 20.

A "No Fly Zone" to protect civilians is one thing. An armed
assault aimed at regime change is another thing altogether. The latter
is the intent of the US/UK/French-led intervention, which, although
displaying the figleaf of a United Nations Security Council resolution,
goes far beyond the defensive aims of a no-fly zone to cross over into
aggression against Libya.

Firing on ground troops and preemptively and indiscriminately destroying
anti-aircraft installations will bring about precisely that loss of life
that the intervention ostensibly seeks to prevent. Civilians are being
killed by the western assault when civilians were supposedly the very
people the action was supposed to protect.

The fight for democracy waged by the Libyan people must be supported,
but not by western military action that is an instrument of regime
change. This action may ostensibly have humanitarian objectives, but its
main objective is to reassert western hegemony in a region that is
caught up in the winds of democratic change.

Owing to its support for authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, the
US has lost much of its credibility among the Arab peoples. Indeed, the
US may be said to be one of the targets of the Arab democratic
revolution. In this context, the intervention in Libya for regime change
is Washington's belated attempt to appear as a pro-democratic force,
shore up its tattered legitimacy, and remind the Arab nations of its
strategic hegemony in the region. Yet the world will not miss the
hypocrisy of a hegemon which shouts that it is supporting democracy in
Libya while it stands on the side as a reactionary regime it has armed
and supported, Saudi Arabia, has invaded and is crushing democratic
forces in Bahrain.

The West's "armed intervention for democracy " will not
advance the cause of democracy. Indeed, it will discredit it by
associating democracy with a western show of force. The intervention in
Libya risks stoking forces as powerful as the democratic movement: Arab
nationalism and Islamic solidarity. It will end up creating conflicts
among movements which should be complementary, and the only victor will
be western hegemony.

We in Focus on the Global South call for an immediate end to the
US/UK/French-led war on Libya.

We call on global civil society and on governments throughout the world
to support the Libyan people's struggle for democracy against
Gaddafi.

We ask especially the democratic movements in Tunisia and Egypt to come
to the aid of the Libyan people.

We call for an end to all efforts to maintain or reassert US hegemony in
the Middle East.
http://rajpatel.org

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

2011-03-31 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:25 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep
Transcendence

On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that Mahesh
had tried to buy out the families that preserved the traditions of
Kalarippayattu, which contained all the secrets of the marmas and the nadis
in an oral tradition, the written versions of which made no sense unless
you'd received actual practical instruction. The families who held the
teaching could not be bought, at any price. And thus the teachings were
never given to the movement. Their main person, John Douiliard, found a
master who taught the science and moved on. To this day that guru comes back
to FF to help rescue the many damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and
unguided practice.

Who is that guru?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

2011-03-31 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter L Sutphen
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:34 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As long 
as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when 
experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive and 
emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru. 

I was just chatting with someone who had experienced this. She was writhing on 
the floor at 3am with her Kundalini on fire. Sidhi administrators told her to 
try a vata pacifying diet and more asanas.

Peter

On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Vaj  wrote:

On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:

One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most 
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about more 
guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with this for 
people who would need help with that, besides meditating.  It obviously was out 
of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by without touching it.

On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that Mahesh had 
tried to buy out the families that preserved the traditions of Kalarippayattu, 
which contained all the secrets of the marmas and the nadis in an oral 
tradition, the written versions of which made no sense unless you'd received 
actual practical instruction. The families who held the teaching could not be 
bought, at any price. And thus the teachings were never given to the movement. 
Their main person, John Douiliard, found a master who taught the science and 
moved on. To this day that guru comes back to FF to help rescue the many 
damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and unguided practice.

Who is that guru?

[FairfieldLife] Tax the super rich or face revolution

2011-03-31 Thread Bhairitu

Sorry not anything about Marshy nor enlightenment (which is about as 
exciting as watching paint dry).  But a good article outlining what will 
happen if we *don't* tax the super rich.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story/print?guid=CA183FE6-5966-11E0-9F0E-00212804637C

Besides what good us enlightenment if you're treated like a serf 
anyway?  And wasn't enlightenment for most of you 30 years ago?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

2011-03-31 Thread Peter L Sutphen

Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As long 
as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when 
experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive and 
emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru. 

Peter


On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Vaj  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:
> 
>> One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most 
>> interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about 
>> more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with 
>> this for people who would need help with that, besides meditating.  It 
>> obviously was out of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by without 
>> touching it.
> 
> 
> On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that Mahesh had 
> tried to buy out the families that preserved the traditions of 
> Kalarippayattu, which contained all the secrets of the marmas and the nadis 
> in an oral tradition, the written versions of which made no sense unless 
> you'd received actual practical instruction. The families who held the 
> teaching could not be bought, at any price. And thus the teachings were never 
> given to the movement. Their main person, John Douiliard, found a master who 
> taught the science and moved on. To this day that guru comes back to FF to 
> help rescue the many damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and unguided 
> practice.
> 
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence



On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:

One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was  
most interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico  
asking about more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for  
services at MUM with this for people who would need help with that,  
besides meditating.  It obviously was out of Bobby's realm as he  
mostly let it slide by without touching it.



On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra in FF it was told that  
Mahesh had tried to buy out the families that preserved the  
traditions of Kalarippayattu, which contained all the secrets of the  
marmas and the nadis in an oral tradition, the written versions of  
which made no sense unless you'd received actual practical  
instruction. The families who held the teaching could not be bought,  
at any price. And thus the teachings were never given to the  
movement. Their main person, John Douiliard, found a master who  
taught the science and moved on. To this day that guru comes back to  
FF to help rescue the many damaged by the siddhis, pranic disease and  
unguided practice.

[FairfieldLife] The authenticity of the human being . . .

2011-03-31 Thread do.rflex



... comes out unexpectedly.

1.1 million people ride the NYC subway every day
and no one commonly speaks to each other. They even 
intentionally avoid eye contact.

Watch what happens when someone actually speaks
and makes contact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o0oHlX8Kmxk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most 
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about more 
guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with this for 
people who would need help with that, besides meditating.  It obviously was out 
of Bobby's realm as he mostly let it slide by without touching it. 

> >
> > According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and  
> > the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 4  
> > hours:
> > 
> 
> That's true.  It's also why spiritual folks/ teachers like to come to 
> Fairfield.  Old meditators often have the transcendent opened up and 
> spiritual teaching can could go from there.  There's been a lot of progress 
> that way here.  
> 
> It's a lot different for teachers where transcendence is cultivated than just 
> being out in the world talking 'spiritual' with people.  The spiritual all 
> regard that about visiting Fairfield and comment about it as they come 
> through.  
> 
> As HHDL is pointing out, it's from transcending that most of the spiritual 
> work comes.  There's more than transcending.  It's being pursued here and 
> that is the venue that Fairfield provides a lot for in experience.  That's 
> been the developing experience in the larger meditating community generally 
> in the last couple decades here.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> The Rama guy refused to teach any of his students anything
> he considered "advanced" until they could maintain the
> completely thoughtless state for several hours. That was
> what he considered the "brown belt" level of meditation.
> Working on one's "black belt" proceeded from there.


Right. And then he committed suicide. Very advanced stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and  
> the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 4  
> hours:
> 

That's true.  It's also why spiritual folks/ teachers like to come to 
Fairfield.  Old meditators often have the transcendent opened up and spiritual 
teaching can could go from there.  There's been a lot of progress that way 
here.  

It's a lot different for teachers where transcendence is cultivated than just 
being out in the world talking 'spiritual' with people.  The spiritual all 
regard that about visiting Fairfield and comment about it as they come through. 

As HHDL is pointing out, it's from transcending that most of the spiritual work 
comes.  There's more than transcending.  It's being pursued here and that is 
the venue that Fairfield provides a lot for in experience.  That's been the 
developing experience in the larger meditating community generally in the last 
couple decades here.

[FairfieldLife] Silly Thought Implementor

2011-03-31 Thread PaliGap

Ever thought where you'd end up if you dug a hole
straight down through the Earth from where you are now?

No? Come on, you're on FFL after all. This is much
more interesting than the "81 types of  turiya", or
the "47 types of laxity" or other assorted whore-charming
architectonic (nod to Ravi-ji) that you find here isn't it?

http://map.talleye.com/bighole.php

(After you put in your post code, you click on
the green flag. You may have to zoom out a tad to
find it. Plus the dig flag is pretty small).

I end up in the sea south of New Zealand.

How absolutely, incredibly fascinating!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Neither flat nor round but geoid potatoe

2011-03-31 Thread merudanda

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8767763.stm
http://tinyurl.com/25jkytx
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> check this out
> http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=47345
> http://tinyurl.com/4a7yvcr
> lots of videos and info there like this one
>
> Planck observatory full-sky imag (This is the first full-sky image of
> our Universe from ESA's Planck space observatory, which surveys the
sky
> in the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum, Cosmic
> Microwave Background (CMB),The CMB is red and yellow in this image. In
> the foreground it is masked by emissions (blue and purple) from the
> interstellar medium, the diffuse mixture of gas and dust, of our own
> galaxy the Milky Way.
> myself still a little bit shaky (not stirred [:D] ) after several
> aftershocks by this inocent looking beauty
> but always open for beauty and hope to forget and forgive
> enjoy
> (more about  Ani Di Franco after "snipped quotation"...)
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> > >
> > > It ain't round.
> > >
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12911806
> >
> > Round, potato-shaped, no matter. What it is is smooth,
> > something we tend to forget when walking around on it.
> > I find myself remembering a beautiful song by Ani Di
> > Franco, which tells the whole story in the first verse:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMXuHke5jZQ
> >
> > From the depth of the Pacific
> > To the height of Everest
> > And still the world is smoother
> > Than a shiny ball bearing
> > So I take a few steps back
> > Put on a wider lens
> > And it changes your skin,
> >..
> > All the stars not to hide
> > Cuz by the time church let out
> > The sky was much clearer
> > And the moon was so beautiful,
> > That the ocean held up a mirror
>
> cute girl  great  charming poem--thanks for sharing
> especially affected by the way she sings that little part at about
2:50
> "open window" where her voice does this little crescendo  and is just
> soaring at that level for the next few lines to more volume, more
> urgency,-- anyway those 20 seconds are a little piece of paradise in
> this song.
> Isn't there a sensation released from the wellspring of your heart
that
> moves so quickly it catches up with the breath  and you are suspended
in
> the truth of that moment?--
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Neither flat nor round but geoid potatoe

2011-03-31 Thread merudanda

check this out
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=47345
http://tinyurl.com/4a7yvcr
lots of videos and info there like this one

Planck observatory full-sky imag (This is the first full-sky image of
our Universe from ESA's Planck space observatory, which surveys the sky
in the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum, Cosmic
Microwave Background (CMB),The CMB is red and yellow in this image. In
the foreground it is masked by emissions (blue and purple) from the
interstellar medium, the diffuse mixture of gas and dust, of our own
galaxy the Milky Way.
myself still a little bit shaky (not stirred [:D] ) after several
aftershocks by this inocent looking beauty
but always open for beauty and hope to forget and forgive
enjoy
(more about  Ani Di Franco after "snipped quotation"...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> >
> > It ain't round.
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12911806
>
> Round, potato-shaped, no matter. What it is is smooth,
> something we tend to forget when walking around on it.
> I find myself remembering a beautiful song by Ani Di
> Franco, which tells the whole story in the first verse:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMXuHke5jZQ
>
> From the depth of the Pacific
> To the height of Everest
> And still the world is smoother
> Than a shiny ball bearing
> So I take a few steps back
> Put on a wider lens
> And it changes your skin,
>..
> All the stars not to hide
> Cuz by the time church let out
> The sky was much clearer
> And the moon was so beautiful,
> That the ocean held up a mirror

cute girl  great  charming poem--thanks for sharing
especially affected by the way she sings that little part at about 2:50
"open window" where her voice does this little crescendo  and is just
soaring at that level for the next few lines to more volume, more
urgency,-- anyway those 20 seconds are a little piece of paradise in
this song.
Isn't there a sensation released from the wellspring of your heart that
moves so quickly it catches up with the breath  and you are suspended in
the truth of that moment?--

[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and  
> the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 
> 4 hours.

The Frederick Lenz - Rama guy I worked with always said
(and interestingly, so did all of the Tibetan teachers
I've met) that "Samadhi is just the *beginning* of the 
enlightenment process." My experience, limited and 
beginner-level though it may be, echoes the Dalai Lama's 
view on this. It's only after a few hours in completely
thoughtless samadhi that one begins to realize that it's 
not static, and that it continues "opening" to deeper and 
deeper levels of itself. Or its Self, if you tend to puns. :-)

The Rama guy refused to teach any of his students anything
he considered "advanced" until they could maintain the
completely thoughtless state for several hours. That was
what he considered the "brown belt" level of meditation.
Working on one's "black belt" proceeded from there.

[FairfieldLife] Subtle energy awareness and Deep Transcendence

According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 4 hours:Reflections on developments of Shamatha and distinction between concept and non-conceptual levels of mental experienceAPRIL 15, 2009 by DAVIDVDuring the development of Shamatha [Deep Transcendence], Alan Wallace describes 9 stages of development in which the quality and nature of mental activity changes. We are all familiar with the “monkey mind” and the sleepy mind that plague the meditator on the cushion. The monkey in our mind is a metaphor for what our mind does when we sit with our eyes closed and our mind is flooded with thoughts that continually arise and we follow the thoughts like a monkey jumping from limb to limb, from concept to concept, from retrospective to prospective memory, to ruminative like behavior. We are also plagued with qualities of laxity when we sit on the cushion, such that we tire easily and fail to see things clearly, or the vastness of reality. The adept will cultivate a decrease in excitation (reduction of the monkey mind) and decrease in laxity as they progress through the stages of shamatha. By the 8th stage of shamatha, mental activity at the conceptual level is decreased significantly and refinement (sharpening) of perception is increased.For example, when there is an arising of a cognitive event, Buddhist science speaks of 5 mental factors that are present:1. Volition (direction to the object)2. Attention (selction/engagement of the object)3. Contact (perception and cognition fuse)4. Discrimination (cognitive event is distinguished from something else)5. Feeling (sensory experience of pleasure/pain is converted to more abstract feeling)Alan also spoke of 4 different types of intelligence to deal with these 5 mental factors:1. Vast, 2. Clear (vivid), 3. Swift, and 4. Penetrating intelligenceThe discussion that ensued in response to the 5 mental factors anf 4 types of intelligence appeared to suggest that as the practitioner moves through the stages of shamatha, attention becomes very vast in nature as is described in nirguna awareness or by some as turiya, a restful state of undistracted, nonspecific awareness that has no author. This cultivated state of awareness involves increased levels of clarity and vividness for each concept or arising cognitive event, a perceptual acuity that is fast to react and is able to be sharp in its integration of all available stimuli and becomes free of mnemonic bias and/or distortion. At the point in which mental activity is developed to a 8th stage of Shamatha, evaluative judgements disapear, there is no grasping of any particular concept, and perception is acute.Perceptual acuity happens to be something that the Shamatha project (with Cliff Saron) actually measured 5 months post-retreat. Preliminary results suggest that perceptual acuity may improve and be sustained as long as practice persists.HHDL pointed out that a well-trained mind at this stage may be able to begin to become aware of subtle forms of energy (from vajrayana/tantrayana), channel such energy with intention and create change/movement of such energy at a single point in one’s body. He also said that it may take 4 hrs. of continued single-pointed concentration to reach this point. HHDL also pointed out that even his own practice on Shunyata (emptiness) involves conceptual processing, before the non-conceptual vastness arises. He continued to break down conceptualization of an act into 3 components:1. an object of the action2. the act itself3. the AgentAt a conceptual level, there is a distinction that needs to be made, but over time and in some contexts, all 3 components may be one and the same.

[FairfieldLife] The Archebitch

No, this is not a rap about Judy. :-) It's just musings about the
Archetypal Evil Bitch, as personified by Morgan Le Fay from the
Arthurian legends.

Morgan has always been one of my favorite characters in books and
movies. She is just *deliciously* evil, in ways that make other evil
bitches pale by comparison. Thus her character provides a challenge to
writers of Arthurian fiction, but even more so to actresses portraying
Morgan in films. Many actresses have tried to capture Morgan's high
evilbitchnessitude in movies or on TV. And failed. To date, only one has
succeeded -- the great Helen Mirren, in the film "Excalibur." She
basically "set the bar" for portrayals of Morgan Le Fay, the standard
that any actress in the future has to try to match or exceed. I for one
thought that no actress would ever even get close. But then I heard
about the "casting coup of the year," and the fact that the STARZ
network had cast Eva Green in the part.

If you don't know the name, try to remember back to the most recent
"Casino Royale" film, and literally the first "Bond girl" ever to be a
match for James Bond. Better, remember back further to Bertolucci's "The
Dreamers," which she starred in at age 22. Bertolucci, who knew Eva
growing up because he knew her mother (French actress Marlène
Jobert),
described her as "so beautiful it's indecent," which is an
understatement. She carried her first film off well, and even wrote
several songs for the score. She's not only beautiful and a talented
actress, she's smart.

So if any actress had a shot at being as interesting as Helen Mirren in
the part of Morgan Le Fay, it was Eva Green, and I found myself looking
forward to seeing the TV production. Today I got to watch a reviewer
version of the first episode.

Sadly, given that first episode, STARZ is not giving her a lot to work
with except some lovely costumes. Suffice it to say that the writing is
not up to the level of the network's "Spartacus: Blood And Sand." Jamie
Campbell Bower is far too pretty as Arthur and Joseph Fiennes is far too
wussy as Merlin. At least so far. I'm hoping for more in future
episodes, both from them and from the writing, but I may be hoping in
vain.

So far, there's not a great deal more to Eva Green's performance as
Morgan Le Fay than just being able to look at her. Then again, that's
almost enough. :-)

  [Eva Green Camelot]  [Eva Green in Camelot TV Series Season One Image]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Neither flat nor round but geoid potatoe

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It ain't round.
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12911806

Round, potato-shaped, no matter. What it is is smooth,
something we tend to forget when walking around on it.
I find myself remembering a beautiful song by Ani Di
Franco, which tells the whole story in the first verse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMXuHke5jZQ

>From the depth of the Pacific
To the height of Everest
And still the world is smoother
Than a shiny ball bearing
So I take a few steps back
Put on a wider lens
And it changes your skin,
Your sex, and what you're wearing
Distance shows your silhouette
To be a lot like mine
Like a sphere is a sphere
And all of us here
Have been here all the time
We've been here all the time

You brought me to church,
Cinder blocks, flourescent light
You brought me to church
At 7 o'clock on a Sunday night
And the band was rocking
And the floors were scrubbed clean
And everybody had a tambourine

So I took a deep breath and became
"The white girl with the hair"
And you sat right beside me
While everybody stared
And through the open window
I think the singing went outside
And floated up to tell
All the stars not to hide
Cuz by the time church let out
The sky was much clearer
And the moon was so beautiful,
That the ocean held up a mirror

As we walked home we spoke slowly
We spoke slow,
And we spoke lowly
Like it was taking more time
Than usual to choose
The words to go
With your squeaky sandal shoes
Like time is not a thing
That's ours to lose

>From the height of the Pacific
To the depths of Everest...

[FairfieldLife] Neither flat nor round but geoid potatoe

It ain't round.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12911806

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Buck wrote:

That's quite an assertion vaj, Shows how much you know.  May be so  
up in Madison.  Not necessarily in Fairfield.  Good luck with your  
work.



It was like that in the 80's. All you have to do is look at The  
Source (I believe that was the newspaper's name).


And it's not unique to FF. Such New Age workshops are held just about  
anywhere you go. You can have your aura scanned or photographed,  
attend chakra workshops, etc., etc. -- you name it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

Well, we're down to the Two Goons next week. Unless 
the other two take the "Hmmm...I've been called on 
my bullshit...maybe I should lay low for a while and
hope that other posters' memories are as self-servingly
bad as mine are" approach next week as well. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Fair enough Turq - Glad to see you are well on your way to 
> examining behavior in the context of Maharishi's words. Oh 
> wait, or are you just using this as a cynical exercise to 
> insult me? Hmm...

I used Maharishi's quote to see whether you would do
exactly what wayback described in her post on scientific
findings about cognitive dissonance. That is, change 
your beliefs rather than change your behavior. You did.
Funny how Maharishi is such a role model and wise sage
for you until he describes behavior that you can't even 
*begin* to live up to, eh?  :-)

> Addressing what Maharishi said, I like it as a guideline 
> and find it helpful to remember. As an absolute edict 
> though, I give it about as much credence as you do.

And yet he, being at least as enlightened as you are,
could not possibly say anything wrong or incorrect. All
of his words -- including these -- were dictated by the
three gunas because he was so enlightened and all, so
they *had* to have been in accord with the Laws Of
Nature. So, of course, are all of *your* words. You
are enlightened because you SAY you are, and that's
the end of it. Did I get that right?  :-)

> Since this is my last post 'til at least April 9...

Or longer. My bet is that you'll do what you did the last
three times someone called you on your bullshit here at
FFL and beat feet for a lot longer than that. They you'll
reappear, probably with a new screen name, and try to 
pretend that nothing that happened in the past ever
happened. :-)

> ...I'll also add that I enjoy talking about my spiritual 
> experiences. And besides just enjoying it I still think 
> it is helpful to let others know that liberation is 
> something anyone can accomplish. It is no longer something 
> mystical and far off. 

And they're supposed to WANT this "liberation" you speak
of, based on YOUR example? Get real.

> As for my progress, it continues of course - the beauty of 
> liberation is that it is a process that never ends. How 
> could it end? It wouldn't be called liberation otherwise. 

So you're saying that you've moved *beyond* mere CC now? :-)

> When I first mentioned it a few years ago, I was naive, 
> aghast and pissed off at the sarcasm and disbelief that 
> greeted my words. 

As opposed to now. Right?  :-)

> It turned out though to be a Divine intervention in spurring 
> me from CC onward. 

Guess I was right above, eh? You're now claiming to be in
some state *beyond* CC. 

> Very, very helpful and I applaud all of those who acting 
> by the grace of God challenged my words at the time. In 
> retrospect I have nothing but thanks. 

Alstublieft. You're welcome. 

> Nowadays I have lost my thirst for any insistence on my 
> part of my state of consciousness...

And just where did this "thirst" you speak of come from
*before*? Couldn't possibly have come from ego and attach-
ment, still present in a person claiming enlightenment and 
thus claiming to be beyond such things, could it?  :-)

> ...and mention it matter-of-factly from time to time just 
> because IT IS, completely OK with what anyone else comes 
> back with. 

So completely OK with it that you're going to run off and
hide for a week, right?  :-)

> As for the timestamps of my posts all I can do is repeat 
> that adults allow themselves to post whenever they want. 
> I am sorry that you remain horribly scarred by your 
> parents' past insistence on a "proper bedtime". I'll 
> also add something for you to wonder about regarding my 
> timestamps: I travel sometimes.

Yeah, right. My point was that both you and Ravi opened 
this posting week by staying up pretty much all night
compulsively posting to FFL every few minutes for seem-
ingly no other purpose than to "get" TM critics. And that
is true no matter where you were, if you were in the US.
I pointed it out to see if I could get you to be all
defensive about it, and because *both* you and your fag
hag have tried to make the same point with some of the
people you try to demonize. 

> See you in a week and some!
> (51)

Yeah, right. 
(36)

And now to the real purpose of my reply, addressed to
those who are still around at the end of the week. 
Doncha find yourself amused at the ability of long-term 
TMers to on the one hand hold Maharishi's words up as 
gospel or Truth and at the same time disavow them 
completely the moment they describe something that they 
can't live up to? Doncha find it amusing when people 
claim to be enlightened, cite various spiritual teachers 
from the past as "authorities" that they believe in, and 
then when someone points out those very teachers' words 
*about* enlightenment and point out that their lives 
emb

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Buck wrote:
> 
> > That's narrowly interesting.  Last weekend here in Fairfield there  
> > was a workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and  
> > spiritual experience.
> 
> The vast majority of kundalini, chakra and subtle energy workshops  
> are just new age nonsense, and have little to do with the awakening  
> process, but instead have to with attachment to subtle forms, often  
> mental ones, and our fascination with the otherworldly. They often  
> bear little resemblance or little result to their real contexts and  
> how they're supposed to be used.
> 
> In other words, they're just pretty forms of self-enslavement. The  
> ego loves this stuff!
>

That's quite an assertion vaj, Shows how much you know.  May be so up in 
Madison.  Not necessarily in Fairfield.  Good luck with your work.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Buck wrote:

That's narrowly interesting.  Last weekend here in Fairfield there  
was a workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and  
spiritual experience.


The vast majority of kundalini, chakra and subtle energy workshops  
are just new age nonsense, and have little to do with the awakening  
process, but instead have to with attachment to subtle forms, often  
mental ones, and our fascination with the otherworldly. They often  
bear little resemblance or little result to their real contexts and  
how they're supposed to be used.


In other words, they're just pretty forms of self-enslavement. The  
ego loves this stuff!

[FairfieldLife] FF Psycho spiritual alchemy


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > The University of Wisconsin, who are responsible for much of the most  
> > cutting edge science on meditation, lists centering prayer, which in  
> > it's current incarnation is more like insight meditation, as one of  
> > it's recommendations. This is now trickling down to younger  
> > physicians and interested older docs. So eventually many, many  
> > patients will have the opportunity to learn meditation. It's hard to  
> > find a hospital in the US that doesn't have a Mindfulness class, a  
> > Mindfulness-based Stress Reduction course or offer Mindfulness-based  
> > Cognitive Therapy.
> >
> 
> That's narrowly interesting.  Last weekend here in Fairfield there was a 
> workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and spiritual experience.  
> About 20 people took it and several traveled coming to Fairfield from out of 
> town to do it.  2 of the total were from 'mindfulness' background (non-vedic) 
> of meditational practices.  One of those two is 'awakened' in experience 
> already.  Both were going home to also learn transcending meditations to 
> augment their practices.
>

Evidently there is a place in the experience of spiritual growth for both, 
transcending and 'mindful' psycho spiritual work.  In Fairfield this is where a 
lot of old TM'ers have graduated beyond & are doing the advanced work in 
spirituality.  Sort of like, post-graduate work.  That's more the reality of 
FFL now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened



On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Peter wrote:



Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are  
smaller!


"kai ou qauma autoV gar o satanaV metaschmatizetai eiV aggelon fwtoV"

"And this is no marvel for Satan himself is transformed into an angel  
of light."


- Paul of Tarsus, 2 Corinthians 11:14

"I have known some very enlightened children who, upon meeting  
[Maharishi] Mahesh [Yogi], would comment that what they saw was an  
evil demon in disguise. At the time I thought they were unstressing.  
But now I see what was really happening. Mahesh puts on this guise of  
being a warm and loving spiritual master when in reality he is after  
money, power and control. These children would actually see his real  
form, a form most of us are not able to see."


-Earl Kaplan

"Sometime Satan comes as a man of peace".

-Bob Dylan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The University of Wisconsin, who are responsible for much of the most  
> cutting edge science on meditation, lists centering prayer, which in  
> it's current incarnation is more like insight meditation, as one of  
> it's recommendations. This is now trickling down to younger  
> physicians and interested older docs. So eventually many, many  
> patients will have the opportunity to learn meditation. It's hard to  
> find a hospital in the US that doesn't have a Mindfulness class, a  
> Mindfulness-based Stress Reduction course or offer Mindfulness-based  
> Cognitive Therapy.
>

That's narrowly interesting.  Last weekend here in Fairfield there was a 
workshop around subtle energy work of the chakras and spiritual experience.  
About 20 people took it and several traveled coming to Fairfield from out of 
town to do it.  2 of the total were from 'mindfulness' background (non-vedic) 
of meditational practices.  One of those two is 'awakened' in experience 
already.  Both were going home to also learn transcending meditations to 
augment their practices.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened

2011-03-31 Thread whynotnow7

Fair enough Turq - Glad to see you are well on your way to examining behavior 
in the context of Maharishi's words. Oh wait, or are you just using this as a 
cynical exercise to insult me? Hmm...

Addressing what Maharishi said, I like it as a guideline and find it helpful to 
remember. As an absolute edict though, I give it about as much credence as you 
do.

Since this is my last post 'til at least April 9, I'll also add that I enjoy 
talking about my spiritual experiences. And besides just enjoying it I still 
think it is helpful to let others know that liberation is something anyone can 
accomplish. It is no longer something mystical and far off. As for my progress, 
it continues of course - the beauty of liberation is that it is a process that 
never ends. How could it end? It wouldn't be called liberation otherwise. 

When I first mentioned it a few years ago, I was naive, aghast and pissed off 
at the sarcasm and disbelief that greeted my words. It turned out though to be 
a Divine intervention in spurring me from CC onward. Very, very helpful and I 
applaud all of those who acting by the grace of God challenged my words at the 
time. In retrospect I have nothing but thanks. 

Nowadays I have lost my thirst for any insistence on my part of my state of 
consciousness and mention it matter-of-factly from time to time just because IT 
IS, completely OK with what anyone else comes back with. 

As for the timestamps of my posts all I can do is repeat that adults allow 
themselves to post whenever they want. I am sorry that you remain horribly 
scarred by your parents' past insistence on a "proper bedtime". I'll also add 
something for you to wonder about regarding  my timestamps: I travel sometimes.

See you in a week and some!
(51)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at work
> that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)
> 
> Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding why
> some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and enlightenment,
> I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from Maharishi on the
> subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go back to look at only
> the first few words (the ones that appear in Yahoo's Message View) of a
> few of the 64 posts they made during the first 30 hours of this FFL
> posting week, during which they were indulging in a bit of a "feeding
> frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters, all of whom are coincidentally
> often described by Judy Stein as "TM critics" or "anti-TMers," and all
> of whom (again coincidentally) are among the most highly-placed on her
> own personal Enemies List and subjects of her own "sweet speech."
> 
> Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
> posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though some
> of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
> claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being talked
> about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
> be enlightened. You decide.
> 
> From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
> 
> "For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has to
> be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
> life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is the
> technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are truthful in our
> thinking and speaking, the words that come out must be pleasing, soft,
> and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking pleasingly lies in
> cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and kindness of
> heart that will not at any time produce harshness of speech. ... Blessed
> are they who speak sweet words."
> 
> Quotes by Sri Sri Jim Flanegin (whynotnow7@):
> 
> Re Turq: "Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis
> is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers)
> in Amsterdam?"
> 
> Re Turq: "Turq just cannot deal with the fact that adults allow
> themselves to post at any time in a 24 hour day." (posted at 2:21 AM his
> time)
> 
> Re Turq: "Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in this
> case - no drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit! These things
> are important." (posted at 2:42 AM his time)
> 
> Re Turq: "Paleeze respond to this guy Judy! He is practically begging
> you - he needs the sharp crack of your crop on his exposed buttocks -
> lives for it..." (posted at 2:48 AM his time)
> 
> Re enlightenment: "Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either the
> reality is lived, or it isn't." (posted at 2:52 AM his time, included
> for its Irony Factor)
> 
> Re Vaj: "F*ck statistics and research dude - You proclaim yourself the
> Big Buddhist here, so didn't the Buddha say something like believe
> nothing that you hear and only..." (posted at 4:39 AM his time)
> 
> Re Vaj: "Careful Vajrah-do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



>
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 
> > > > > > > > percent of the population over 18 practices some form of 
> > > > > > > > meditation, up from about 8 percent in 2002.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques 
> > > > > > > > are growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > * 10 percent! *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks 
> > > > > > "centering" prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists 
> > > > > > are offering classes.  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local 
> > > > > > bastion falling.  The Lutherans next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which 
> > > > > one opens one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to 
> > > > > his actions within ..."
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > To God, the 'Unified Field'.
> > > > 
> > > > It's interesting how it has gone, Catholic Father Keating took the ball 
> > > > and ran with it back in the 1970's and now it has crossed over gone 
> > > > viral even amongst some Protestants.  It's like basic meditational 
> > > > spirituality going mainstream in current.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Trending even now by evidence of science, meditation in practice is 
> > > rising to being taught in Doctor's offices as secular public health 
> > > policy.
> > >
> > 
> > A lot has happened since Yogananda came to the West in the first half of 
> > the 20th Century and urged then that the scientific process of research on 
> > meditation get going from then to show that something real is there in the 
> > discipline of meditational spirituality.
> >
> 
> 
> Yogananda of course had a huge influence from his time in the 20th Century.  
> The Western transcendentalists were before him in the 19th Century, then 
> Vivikananda comes, and Yogananda's was the time of the 1920's, 30's and 40's. 
>  Yogananda passing in the 1950's though his 'Autobiography of a Yogi' being 
> essential spirituality to the 20th Century as a best seller in spiritual 
> books for the next 50 years even to the present.  Then from the 1950's came 
> Maharishi and some others, and especially the Dali Lama.  TM being taught to 
> about one-in-300 Americans during the 1970's and 80's.   About 'a third of a 
> percent' of Americans then just learning TM meditation.  They and Keating 
> (and Merton) have all been players in this '10 percent of Americans 
> meditating' number in the making.
>

As for Keating, well I was there at the Spencer, Mass. Trappist monastery and 
got to witness when Father Keating and Thomas and others there took 
Transcendental Medtitation in the 1970's.   It was part of a process in method 
of searching they were doing realizing they were short on method to get them 
spiritual experience within the Church then.  They saw at the time that they 
had these scriptural or old descriptions of spiritual experience from saints or 
others but no technique that was working for them.  Hence, because Vatican II 
then allowed for it, they set out to shop what was out there by comparison. 

"During Fr. Keating's term as abbot at St. Joseph's and in response to the 
reforms of Vatican II, he invited teachers from the East to the monastery. As a 
result of this exposure to Eastern spiritual traditions, Fr. Keating and 
several of the monks at St. Joseph's were led to develop the modern form of 
Christian contemplative prayer called Centering Prayer. Fr. Keating was a 
central figure in the initiation of the Centering Prayer movement. He offered 
Centering Prayer workshops and retreats to clergy and laypeople and authored 
articles and books on the method and fruits of Centering Prayer. In 1983, he 
presented a two-week intensive Centering Prayer retreat at the Lama Foundation 
in San Cristabol, New Mexico, which proved to be a watershed event. Many of the 
people prominent in the Centering Prayer movement today attended this retreat. 
Contemplative Outreach was created in 1984 to support the growing spiritual 
network of Centering Prayer practitioners. "

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Buck wrote:

Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks  
"centering" prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists  
are offering classes.  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local  
bastion falling.  The Lutherans next?


The University of Wisconsin, who are responsible for much of the most  
cutting edge science on meditation, lists centering prayer, which in  
it's current incarnation is more like insight meditation, as one of  
it's recommendations. This is now trickling down to younger  
physicians and interested older docs. So eventually many, many  
patients will have the opportunity to learn meditation. It's hard to  
find a hospital in the US that doesn't have a Mindfulness class, a  
Mindfulness-based Stress Reduction course or offer Mindfulness-based  
Cognitive Therapy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The sweet speech of the enlightened



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are
smaller!

kind of like cracker balls (from the fireworks store) I am guessing


>
> --- On Thu, 3/31/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at work
that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)
>
> Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding
why some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and
enlightenment, I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from
Maharishi on the subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go
back to look at only the first few words (the ones that appear in
Yahoo's Message View) of a few of the 64 posts they made during the
first 30 hours of this FFL posting week, during which they were
indulging in a bit of a "feeding frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters,
all of whom are coincidentally often described by Judy Stein as "TM
critics" or "anti-TMers," and all of whom (again coincidentally) are
among the most highly-placed on her own personal Enemies List and
subjects of her own "sweet speech."
>
> Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though some
of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being talked
about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
be enlightened. You decide.
>
> From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:
>
> "For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has
to be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is the
technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are truthful in our
thinking and speaking, the words that come out must be pleasing, soft,
and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking pleasingly lies in
cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and kindness of
heart that will not at any time produce harshness of speech. ... Blessed
are they who speak sweet words."
>
> Quotes by Sri Sri Jim Flanegin (whynotnow7@):
>
> Re Turq: "Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement -
Curtis is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult
diapers) in Amsterdam?"
>
> Re Turq: "Turq just cannot deal with the fact that adults allow
themselves to post at any time in a 24 hour day." (posted at 2:21 AM his
time)
>
> Re Turq: "Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in this
case - no drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit! These things
are important." (posted at 2:42 AM his time)
>
> Re Turq: "Paleeze respond to this guy Judy! He is practically begging
you - he needs the sharp crack of your crop on his exposed buttocks -
lives for it..." (posted at 2:48 AM his time)
>
> Re enlightenment: "Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either the
reality is lived, or it isn't." (posted at 2:52 AM his time, included
for its Irony Factor)
>
> Re Vaj: "F*ck statistics and research dude - You proclaim yourself the
Big Buddhist here, so didn't the Buddha say something like believe
nothing that you hear and only..." (posted at 4:39 AM his time)
>
> Re Vaj: "Careful Vajrah-doodah, you just tipped your hand - frightened
of liberation, eh? LOL - Seems as translucent as toilet tissue to me,
but others may have bought..." (posted at 7:27 AM his time)
>
> Re Vaj: "Ha-ha, yeah the grotesque nature of spiritual fakers cracks
me up - such a bizarre phenomenon when the isolated ego co-opts the
process of sadhana." (posted at 7:28 AM his time, again included for its
Irony Factor)
>
> Quotes by Sri Sri Ravi Yogi (raviyogi@):
>
> Re Turq, et al: "Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike and
Curtis lead such pathetic lives that their lives revolve around
attacking TM. Its quite obvious..."
>
> Re Turq, et al: "He can't, he knows there is something but he didn't
get it when the Guru was alive. Now he feels like a jilted lover -
pathetic retards - Barry, Curtis and now..."
>
> Re Turq: "...pussies are just not tolerated here, learn from Barry.
Take your shit elsewhere..."
>
> Re Mike: "...shutdown your whorehouse(blogs attacking Gurus) and go
home to your beloved(Self)"
>
> Re Mike: "Let go of the mental masturbation, just feel and you will
know why I called him a pussy..."
>
> Re Joe: "No Joeyji I'm drunk on the bottle of divine Vodka that my
divine mother gave me. I'm hanging out at the FFL Pub ready to engage in
a brawl."
>
> Re Mike: "...the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know why
I called him a pussy." (posted at 3:32 AM his time)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



>
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent 
> > > > > > > of the population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up 
> > > > > > > from about 8 percent in 2002.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques 
> > > > > > > are growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > * 10 percent! *
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks 
> > > > > "centering" prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are 
> > > > > offering classes.  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion 
> > > > > falling.  The Lutherans next?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which one 
> > > > opens one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to his 
> > > > actions within ..."
> > > >
> > > 
> > > To God, the 'Unified Field'.
> > > 
> > > It's interesting how it has gone, Catholic Father Keating took the ball 
> > > and ran with it back in the 1970's and now it has crossed over gone viral 
> > > even amongst some Protestants.  It's like basic meditational spirituality 
> > > going mainstream in current.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Trending even now by evidence of science, meditation in practice is rising 
> > to being taught in Doctor's offices as secular public health policy.
> >
> 
> A lot has happened since Yogananda came to the West in the first half of the 
> 20th Century and urged then that the scientific process of research on 
> meditation get going from then to show that something real is there in the 
> discipline of meditational spirituality.
>


Yogananda of course had a huge influence from his time in the 20th Century.  
The Western transcendentalists were before him in the 19th Century, then 
Vivikananda comes, and Yogananda's was the time of the 1920's, 30's and 40's.  
Yogananda passing in the 1950's though his 'Autobiography of a Yogi' being 
essential spirituality to the 20th Century as a best seller in spiritual books 
for the next 50 years even to the present.  Then from the 1950's came Maharishi 
and some others, and especially the Dali Lama.  TM being taught to about 
one-in-300 Americans during the 1970's and 80's.   About 'a third of a percent' 
of Americans then just learning TM meditation.  They and Keating (and Merton) 
have all been players in this '10 percent of Americans meditating' number in 
the making.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Something for Lurkers to read?



Not exactly on point, but I recommend that you go by 'Dirk" Richardson. 
It sounds much more manly.  A movie star or bush pilot, or some such
profession.  And the shortened version "Dirk" has much more appeal than
"Dick".  Just some musings from the peanut gallery.  Oh, and maybe
change the "rwr" to "rwc", and explain it stands for "Roger Wilco" as a
backup name.  You will really stand out.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rwr"  wrote:
>
>
> Something for Lurkers to read?
>
>
>
> [ Hi Dick, I don't have a yahoo group. I'm not surprised its being
> ignored. But its something for the lurkers to read. Name removed.]
>
>
>
> :- ) You and I, and other people, cannot give anybody else MORE. But
> life can, and does. I detest the saying that one cannot turn a Pint
Pot
> into a Quart Pot, and it is very condescending, and people are not
Pint
> Pots. However, I discovered many years ago when I was still young that
> there IS Power in the Word. As any catalysts might be. But even that
> degree of effect (and which is small per capita of a population at any
> one time) can only work on those who are  well, kind of hovering
on
> the brink of change anyway.
>
>
>
> But, like anything else, if you don't try something then you aint
> going to achieve anything :- ) That one gets back all the crap
> imaginable in the meantime is irrelevant. I just laugh at it. But one
at
> least threw some pebbles into the pond, and they might create a few
> waves that ripple for a while. If it only ever helps one then that is
> better than nothing isn't it. But it will infuriate millions and
> that is for sure :- ) They have such a vested interest in their
> Be-Wishes and their gods and demons :- ) I don't care.
>
>
>
> Dick Richardson.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent 
> > > > > > of the population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up 
> > > > > > from about 8 percent in 2002.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are 
> > > > > > growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > * 10 percent! *
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks 
> > > > "centering" prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are 
> > > > offering classes.  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion 
> > > > falling.  The Lutherans next?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which one 
> > > opens one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to his 
> > > actions within ..."
> > >
> > 
> > To God, the 'Unified Field'.
> > 
> > It's interesting how it has gone, Catholic Father Keating took the ball and 
> > ran with it back in the 1970's and now it has crossed over gone viral even 
> > amongst some Protestants.  It's like basic meditational spirituality going 
> > mainstream in current.
> >
> 
> 
> Trending even now by evidence of science, meditation in practice is rising to 
> being taught in Doctor's offices as secular public health policy.
>

A lot has happened since Yogananda came to the West in the first half of the 
20th Century and urged then that the scientific process of research on 
meditation get going from then to show that something real is there in the 
discipline of meditational spirituality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



>
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of 
> > > > > the population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from 
> > > > > about 8 percent in 2002.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are 
> > > > > growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > * 10 percent! *
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks "centering" 
> > > prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are offering 
> > > classes.  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion falling.  The 
> > > Lutherans next?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which one 
> > opens one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to his 
> > actions within ..."
> >
> 
> To God, the 'Unified Field'.
> 
> It's interesting how it has gone, Catholic Father Keating took the ball and 
> ran with it back in the 1970's and now it has crossed over gone viral even 
> amongst some Protestants.  It's like basic meditational spirituality going 
> mainstream in current.
>


Trending even now by evidence of science, meditation in practice is rising to 
being taught in Doctor's offices as secular public health policy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened

Nice collection of raves from the Bhava Rave Pimp and Maha-Narcissus  
Jimbo. Hilarious.


It's interesting since all this comes from their own mentations and  
is part and parcel of the vibe they're putting out to their  
environment. It's not a sweet vibe or even sweet-and-sour, but more  
bitter and overheated. No insight.


It's been rather interesting observing the McRishi Mahesh, whom the  
Shankaracharya of the south observed had a busy supermarket mind with  
no silence -- and a life filled with greed, envy, vanity and  
acquisitiveness -- and then observing his students.


They don't seem to fall far from the same tree. Really rather sad how  
darkness begets more darkness even when clothed in the finest silk.


On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:

"For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking  
has to be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the  
best, life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is  
the technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are  
truthful in our thinking and speaking, the words that come out must  
be pleasing, soft, and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking  
pleasingly lies in cultivating that nature, that politeness, that  
softness and kindness of heart that will not at any time produce  
harshness of speech. ... Blessed are they who speak sweet words."


Quotes by Sri Sri Jim Flanegin (whynotnow7@...):

Re Turq: "Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement -  
Curtis is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends  
(adult diapers) in Amsterdam?"


Re Turq: "Turq just cannot deal with the fact that adults allow  
themselves to post at any time in a 24 hour day." (posted at 2:21  
AM his time)


Re Turq: "Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in  
this case - no drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit!  
These things are important." (posted at 2:42 AM his time)


Re Turq: "Paleeze respond to this guy Judy! He is practically  
begging you - he needs the sharp crack of your crop on his exposed  
buttocks - lives for it..." (posted at 2:48 AM his time)


Re enlightenment: "Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either  
the reality is lived, or it isn't." (posted at 2:52 AM his time,  
included for its Irony Factor)


Re Vaj: "F*ck statistics and research dude - You proclaim yourself  
the Big Buddhist here, so didn't the Buddha say something like  
believe nothing that you hear and only..." (posted at 4:39 AM his  
time)


Re Vaj: "Careful Vajrah-doodah, you just tipped your hand -  
frightened of liberation, eh? LOL - Seems as translucent as toilet  
tissue to me, but others may have bought..." (posted at 7:27 AM his  
time)


Re Vaj: "Ha-ha, yeah the grotesque nature of spiritual fakers  
cracks me up - such a bizarre phenomenon when the isolated ego co- 
opts the process of sadhana." (posted at 7:28 AM his time, again  
included for its Irony Factor)


Quotes by Sri Sri Ravi Yogi (raviyogi@...):

Re Turq, et al: "Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike  
and Curtis lead such pathetic lives that their lives revolve around  
attacking TM. Its quite obvious..."


Re Turq, et al: "He can't, he knows there is something but he  
didn't get it when the Guru was alive. Now he feels like a jilted  
lover - pathetic retards - Barry, Curtis and now..."


Re Turq: "...pussies are just not tolerated here, learn from Barry.  
Take your shit elsewhere..."


Re Mike: "...shutdown your whorehouse(blogs attacking Gurus) and go  
home to your beloved(Self)"


Re Mike: "Let go of the mental masturbation, just feel and you will  
know why I called him a pussy..."


Re Joe: "No Joeyji I'm drunk on the bottle of divine Vodka that my  
divine mother gave me. I'm hanging out at the FFL Pub ready to  
engage in a brawl."


Re Mike: "...the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know  
why I called him a pussy." (posted at 3:32 AM his time)


Re Vaj: "LOL.. His whore Vakrabuddhi's really not giving him  
anything tonight. He could have easily chosen to make eternal love  
to his beloved but he would rather whore..." (posted at 6:38 AM his  
time)


Re Joe: "Joeyji - your whore (intellect) is deceiving you again.  
Enlightenment is not about posses, adornments and collection  
outside of you." (posted at 7:02 AM his time, again included for  
its Irony Factor)

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Aldeen Ordinance

Thank god we got all those ducks in a row! For a second I thought I'd have to 
wake Major Tom.

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, rwr  wrote:

From: rwr 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Aldeen Ordinance
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 5:14 AM

The Aldeen Ordinance  

Who watches the Watchers?  Or who Scrutinises the Authorities?  The Aldeen 
Ordinance Steering Committee are
the Watchers and the Authority. But who watches them?  And how? 
And how does one really maintain a secret organisation?  There are ways.  

The Aldeen Ordinance contains
within it the Darsinian Inheritance and also the Culbone Files.  

Dick Richardson

Re: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened

Maharishi was a Blazing Ball of Brahman. Jim's and Ravi's balls are smaller!

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, turquoiseb  wrote:

From: turquoiseb 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:27 AM

The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at work that 
disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)

Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding why some 
here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and enlightenment, I just 
thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from Maharishi on the subject of the 
speech of the enlightened, and 2) go back to look at only the first few words 
(the ones that appear in Yahoo's Message View) of a few of the 64 posts they 
made during the first 30 hours of this FFL posting week, during which they were 
indulging in a bit of a "feeding frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters, all of 
whom are coincidentally often described by Judy Stein as "TM critics" or 
"anti-TMers," and all of whom (again coincidentally) are among the most 
highly-placed on her own personal Enemies List and subjects of her own "sweet 
speech." 

Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24 posts she 
made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though some of it is of the 
same ilk, because after all, she has never made any claims of being 
enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being talked about so sweetly 
below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to be enlightened. You 
decide.

>From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:

"For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has to be 
clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best, life-supporting to 
the whole of the environment. ... This is the technique of the art of speaking: 
that, although we are truthful in our thinking and speaking, the words that 
come out must be pleasing, soft, and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking 
pleasingly lies in cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and 
kindness of heart that will not at any time produce harshness of speech. ... 
Blessed are they who speak sweet words."

Quotes by Sri Sri Jim Flanegin (whynotnow7@...):

Re Turq: "Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis is back 
and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers) in Amsterdam?"

Re Turq: "Turq just cannot deal with the fact that adults allow themselves to 
post at any time in a 24 hour day." (posted at 2:21 AM his time)

Re Turq: "Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in this case - 
no drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit! These things are important." 
(posted at 2:42 AM his time)

Re Turq: "Paleeze respond to this guy Judy! He is practically begging you - he 
needs the sharp crack of your crop on his exposed buttocks - lives for it..." 
(posted at 2:48 AM his time)

Re enlightenment: "Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either the reality is 
lived, or it isn't." (posted at 2:52 AM his time, included for its Irony Factor)

Re Vaj: "F*ck statistics and research dude - You proclaim yourself the Big 
Buddhist here, so didn't the Buddha say something like believe nothing that you 
hear and only..." (posted at 4:39 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "Careful Vajrah-doodah, you just tipped your hand - frightened of 
liberation, eh? LOL - Seems as translucent as toilet tissue to me, but others 
may have bought..." (posted at 7:27 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "Ha-ha, yeah the grotesque nature of spiritual fakers cracks me up - 
such a bizarre phenomenon when the isolated ego co-opts the process of 
sadhana." (posted at 7:28 AM his time, again included for its Irony Factor)

Quotes by Sri Sri Ravi Yogi (raviyogi@...):

Re Turq, et al: "Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike and Curtis 
lead such pathetic lives that their lives revolve around attacking TM. Its 
quite obvious..."

Re Turq, et al: "He can't, he knows there is something but he didn't get it 
when the Guru was alive. Now he feels like a jilted lover - pathetic retards - 
Barry, Curtis and now..."

Re Turq: "...pussies are just not tolerated here, learn from Barry. Take your 
shit elsewhere..."

Re Mike: "...shutdown your whorehouse(blogs attacking Gurus) and go home to 
your beloved(Self)"

Re Mike: "Let go of the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know why I 
called him a pussy..."

Re Joe: "No Joeyji I'm drunk on the bottle of divine Vodka that my divine 
mother gave me. I'm hanging out at the FFL Pub ready to engage in a brawl."

Re Mike: "...the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know why I called 
him a pussy." (posted at 3:32 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "LOL.. His whore Vakrabuddhi's really not giving him anything tonight. 
He could have easily chosen to make eternal love to his beloved but he would 
rather whore..." (posted at 6:38 AM his time)

Re Joe: "Joeyji

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



>
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > > 
> > > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of 
> > > > the population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from about 
> > > > 8 percent in 2002.
> > > > 
> > > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are 
> > > > growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * 10 percent! *
> > >
> > 
> > Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks "centering" 
> > prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are offering classes. 
> >  Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion falling.  The Lutherans 
> > next?
> >
> 
> 
> "Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which one opens 
> one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to his actions 
> within ..."
>

To God, the 'Unified Field'.

It's interesting how it has gone, Catholic Father Keating took the ball and ran 
with it back in the 1970's and now it has crossed over gone viral even amongst 
some Protestants.  It's like basic meditational spirituality going mainstream 
in current.

[FairfieldLife] The sweet speech of the enlightened

The following post is Turq taking advantage of a power outage at work
that disallows any work to have some fun. Be warned. :-)

Since both Jim and Ravi seem to be having some trouble understanding why
some here don't quite buy their claims of egolessness and enlightenment,
I just thought I'd 1) provide a short quote from Maharishi on the
subject of the speech of the enlightened, and 2) go back to look at only
the first few words (the ones that appear in Yahoo's Message View) of a
few of the 64 posts they made during the first 30 hours of this FFL
posting week, during which they were indulging in a bit of a "feeding
frenzy" by dissing other FFL posters, all of whom are coincidentally
often described by Judy Stein as "TM critics" or "anti-TMers," and all
of whom (again coincidentally) are among the most highly-placed on her
own personal Enemies List and subjects of her own "sweet speech."

Naturally, I will not include any of Judy's own language from the 24
posts she made during the this "feeding frenzy" period, even though some
of it is of the same ilk, because after all, she has never made any
claims of being enlightened. Nor have any of the TM critics being talked
about so sweetly below. Jim and Ravi, on the other hand, both claim to
be enlightened. You decide.

>From Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living:

"For speech to be harmonious, appropriate and suitable, thinking has to
be clear, sharp, and at the least, harmless -- and at the best,
life-supporting to the whole of the environment. ... This is the
technique of the art of speaking: that, although we are truthful in our
thinking and speaking, the words that come out must be pleasing, soft,
and of good quality. ... The habit of speaking pleasingly lies in
cultivating that nature, that politeness, that softness and kindness of
heart that will not at any time produce harshness of speech. ... Blessed
are they who speak sweet words."

Quotes by Sri Sri Jim Flanegin (whynotnow7@...):

Re Turq: "Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis
is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers)
in Amsterdam?"

Re Turq: "Turq just cannot deal with the fact that adults allow
themselves to post at any time in a 24 hour day." (posted at 2:21 AM his
time)

Re Turq: "Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in this
case - no drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit! These things
are important." (posted at 2:42 AM his time)

Re Turq: "Paleeze respond to this guy Judy! He is practically begging
you - he needs the sharp crack of your crop on his exposed buttocks -
lives for it..." (posted at 2:48 AM his time)

Re enlightenment: "Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either the
reality is lived, or it isn't." (posted at 2:52 AM his time, included
for its Irony Factor)

Re Vaj: "F*ck statistics and research dude - You proclaim yourself the
Big Buddhist here, so didn't the Buddha say something like believe
nothing that you hear and only..." (posted at 4:39 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "Careful Vajrah-doodah, you just tipped your hand - frightened
of liberation, eh? LOL - Seems as translucent as toilet tissue to me,
but others may have bought..." (posted at 7:27 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "Ha-ha, yeah the grotesque nature of spiritual fakers cracks me
up - such a bizarre phenomenon when the isolated ego co-opts the process
of sadhana." (posted at 7:28 AM his time, again included for its Irony
Factor)

Quotes by Sri Sri Ravi Yogi (raviyogi@...):

Re Turq, et al: "Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike and
Curtis lead such pathetic lives that their lives revolve around
attacking TM. Its quite obvious..."

Re Turq, et al: "He can't, he knows there is something but he didn't get
it when the Guru was alive. Now he feels like a jilted lover - pathetic
retards - Barry, Curtis and now..."

Re Turq: "...pussies are just not tolerated here, learn from Barry. Take
your shit elsewhere..."

Re Mike: "...shutdown your whorehouse(blogs attacking Gurus) and go home
to your beloved(Self)"

Re Mike: "Let go of the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know
why I called him a pussy..."

Re Joe: "No Joeyji I'm drunk on the bottle of divine Vodka that my
divine mother gave me. I'm hanging out at the FFL Pub ready to engage in
a brawl."

Re Mike: "...the mental masturbation, just feel and you will know why I
called him a pussy." (posted at 3:32 AM his time)

Re Vaj: "LOL.. His whore Vakrabuddhi's really not giving him anything
tonight. He could have easily chosen to make eternal love to his beloved
but he would rather whore..." (posted at 6:38 AM his time)

Re Joe: "Joeyji - your whore (intellect) is deceiving you again.
Enlightenment is not about posses, adornments and collection outside of
you." (posted at 7:02 AM his time, again included for its Irony Factor)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > > 
> > > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of the 
> > > population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from about 8 
> > > percent in 2002.
> > > 
> > > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are 
> > > growing in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > * 10 percent! *
> >
> 
> Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks "centering" 
> prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are offering classes.  
> Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion falling.  The Lutherans next?
>


"Keating defines centering prayer as "a very simple method in which one opens 
one's self to God and consents to his presence in us and to his actions 
within ..."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



> 
> 
> >
> > Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> > 
> > "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of the 
> > population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from about 8 
> > percent in 2002.
> > 
> > Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are growing 
> > in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
> >
> 
> 
> * 10 percent! *
>

Like, even some local main-street churches have offered folks "centering" 
prayer now.  Times change.  Even our local Methodists are offering classes.  
Rocks are melting?  There's been a local bastion falling.  The Lutherans next?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation on the rise locally, nationally



>
> Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:
> 
> "According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of the 
> population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from about 8 percent 
> in 2002.
> 
> Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are growing 
> in popularity, Iowa City instructors said."
>


*10 percent!*

[FairfieldLife] Meditation on the rise locally, nationally

Fairfield Ledger, Front page bottom fold:

"According to a 2007 U.S. Census Bureau Survey, nearly 10 percent of the 
population over 18 practices some form of meditation, up from about 8 percent 
in 2002.

Locally, both transcendental and Buddhist meditation techniques are growing in 
popularity, Iowa City instructors said."

[FairfieldLife] No hate found in Fairfield

No charges filed.  The Fairfield Ledger article:
http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2011/03/28/fairfield_daily_\
ledger/top_stories/doc4d90dd6760246154867052.txt

[FairfieldLife] The Aldeen Ordinance

2011-03-31 Thread rwr


The Aldeen Ordinance



Who watches the Watchers?  Or who Scrutinises the Authorities?  The
Aldeen Ordinance Steering Committee are the Watchers and the Authority.
But who watches them?  And how?  And how does one really maintain a
secret organisation?  There are ways.



The Aldeen Ordinance contains within it the Darsinian Inheritance and
also the Culbone Files.



Dick Richardson

[FairfieldLife] Something for Lurkers to read?

2011-03-31 Thread rwr


Something for Lurkers to read?



[ Hi Dick, I don't have a yahoo group. I'm not surprised its being
ignored. But its something for the lurkers to read.  Name removed.]



:- )  You and I, and other people, cannot give anybody else MORE. But
life can, and does.  I detest the saying that one cannot turn a Pint Pot
into a Quart Pot, and it is very condescending, and people are not Pint
Pots. However, I discovered many years ago when I was still young that
there IS Power in the Word. As any catalysts might be.  But even that
degree of effect (and which is small per capita of a population at any
one time) can only work on those who are  well, kind of hovering on
the brink of change anyway.



But, like anything else, if you don't try something then you aint
going to achieve anything :- )  That one gets back all the crap
imaginable in the meantime is irrelevant. I just laugh at it. But one at
least threw some pebbles into the pond, and they might create a few
waves that ripple for a while. If it only ever helps one then that is
better than nothing isn't it. But it will infuriate millions and
that is for sure :- ) They have such a vested interest in their
Be-Wishes and their gods and demons :- )  I don't care.



Dick Richardson.

[FairfieldLife] Dietary alert for those living near Lake Tahoe