[FairfieldLife] The Inquisition
Surely you know that it still exists, known originially as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition and now as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Its former head master, Cardinal Rat-Zinger is now pope. BTW it is still active in its new form. I know a Benedictine Nun and she told me that they are all being inquired after to see if they are still faithful in the proper way. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: First Inguisitor General of Spain http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Torquemada.jpg
[FairfieldLife] The sand castle
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[FairfieldLife] Dueling Fundamentalists
One thing that's always struck me as ironically funny about the get Vaj thang is that his critics have essentially the same fundamentalist vibe that he does. Vaj criticizes Maharishi for not following the proper ways of spiritual teaching and not following the rules and regs of a tradition that he considers Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not. The TM Birthers who say that Vaj never learned TM base this on their claim that he doesn't use the proper language to describe TM. Only one way of expressing the mechanics of meditation is Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not.
[FairfieldLife] Matthew next to Hitler
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dueling Fundamentalists
Finally. After all these years you admitted what you really are. You must have just gotten out of bed and didn't realize what you were doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: One thing that's always struck me as ironically funny about the get Vaj thang is that his critics have essentially the same fundamentalist vibe that he does. Vaj criticizes Maharishi for not following the proper ways of spiritual teaching and not following the rules and regs of a tradition that he considers Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not. The TM Birthers who say that Vaj never learned TM base this on their claim that he doesn't use the proper language to describe TM. Only one way of expressing the mechanics of meditation is Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not.
[FairfieldLife] The Org
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[FairfieldLife] John Bull, the Correct Tradition
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Could be. I merely think of him as a mean jerk, intent on casting doubt on others' faith and experiences due to the paucity of his own. What a sad little bozo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Jim, yes - very interesting patterns emerge. Barry indeed feels victimized, threatened and obsessed with cults. There is a strange hold that cult leaders still have on him, clearly Rama killed himself but Barry continues to believe in this Negative Occult Energy B.S. that Rama taught. And then Barry continuously harasses, abuses and bullies through his writing (which clearly is one of his strengths). So the victim now has turned into a bully. And it has come a full circle, like you say karma is such a bitch. I have really bullied him ever since he welcomed me on this list :-). He can't believe someone like me can claim to have an awakening and still be a better bully than him, he's tried everything to avoid me but he apparently can't..LOL.since he views the world through the lenses of Rama. Everyone either looks like Rama, the bully or they look like Barry, the victim. In fact I feel incredibly sad for this man, but at the same time I'm forced to respond to the continuous lies and deception he man engages in, because I clearly have nothing better to do with some of my time everyday:-). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Ravi, Bozotronic Barry always brings up this sci-fi BS whenever his fragile ego feels put upon. Poor baby.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Turquoiseb: The reality of FFL is that since the beginning of this posting week, five posters (Judy, Jim, Willytex, Nabby, and Ravi) have made 62 posts either insulting me, trying to refute something I said, or otherwise putting me down... In 1989, Rama justified to the disciples his rising tuition. I nearly killed myself by accepting your Negative Occult Energy, he said, and now you are going to have to pay for it... Thanks for this, this really confirms my suspicion that Turq is still under Rama's spell, he really needs true love and compassion of a true Yogi. Right now he is just crying in pain and his act of the TM Cult Crusader is not fooling anyone - a Cultish Wolf in a Skeptic Sheep's garb. His comments below make total sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ravi, I shall break form and reply to this one, because it gives me the opportunity to rap about the occult theory behind why I ignore your silly ass. It's because of something I learned from a couple of spiritual teachers. When someone appears to be obses- sing on you, on an occult level it's because they're trying to suck your energy, in the form of attention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dueling Fundamentalists
WAAAH!There is no get Vaj thang as you so dorkily put it. Karma's a bitch, Bozotronic Barry.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: One thing that's always struck me as ironically funny about the get Vaj thang is that his critics have essentially the same fundamentalist vibe that he does. Vaj criticizes Maharishi for not following the proper ways of spiritual teaching and not following the rules and regs of a tradition that he considers Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not. The TM Birthers who say that Vaj never learned TM base this on their claim that he doesn't use the proper language to describe TM. Only one way of expressing the mechanics of meditation is Right, Damnit. Anyone who deviates from the Correct Tradition is bad or a charlatan or posing as something he's not.
[FairfieldLife] Do you hate yer eyePhone?
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beauty and the Beast
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Errol Flynn and Bridgett Bardot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Bardot First I thot, Whoa, what does Mauno Kuusisto have to do with Brigitte? http://www.ts.fi/online/kulttuuri/160428_515h.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Numba 4 and Gluteus maximus?
I just learned that nowadaze plastic surgeons in Brasil do more butts than boobies! Do you think that Numba 4 (at least in my set of siddhis, hasti-balaani[not sure if that should be singular or plural: balam or balaani*], SoE?) can make ones gluteus maximus more prominent, amongst other stuff. When I asked some of my fellow siddhas whether SoE makes one look a bit more like a body builder, one lady thought it doesn't prolly have that kind of effect. *III 25: baleSu hastibalaadiini (bala + aadiini); in a compound word the singular/plural - opposition is usually neutralized!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beauty and the Beast
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Errol Flynn and Bridgett Bardot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Bardot First I thot, Whoa, what does Mauno Kuusisto have to do with Brigitte? http://www.ts.fi/online/kulttuuri/160428_515h.jpg Mauno sings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60RSgQjN85I (One sign of the Age of Enlightenment might be that people nowadays have much better/good looking teeth, especially people in the US of A!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The sand castle
looks like S. Dali's stuff. Great technique. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://neosurrealismart.com/modern-art-prints/?artworks/the-sand-castle.htmlfullsize
[FairfieldLife] Hey again...
Still haven't gotten the go ahead to back my bags for cooler climes, but, here's a little link that might explain, at least for the uber-geeks, why I'm moving. Siliconsqueak is our product line: http://www.mail-archive.com/fonc@vpri.org/msg01767.html NON-Silicon Squeak is described here: http://www.squeak.org/About/ Back to the bash MMY and bash those who bash MMY fest for ye. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Gold, But Better
This article, given its author's alternate title above in the Subject line, is probably only of interest only to those who have discovered the joys of that other great North American songwriter celebrating a birthday this week. For those few, it's a great article, one of the few I've read that really get the man and why he's interesting. I'm just in love with the line, Is his un-celebrity a way of honouring the essential human equality that he explicitly points to in lyric after lyric as the necessary precept to answering the illusory problems that incarnate life appears to impose? That's really it, the secret not only to his mystique but also IMO to the question of how to live a graceful and spiritual life on planet Earth. Diamonds plus: Cockburn at 66 May 27, 2011 Author: Paul Corby http://www.rootsmusic.ca/author/paulcorby/ [299] http://www.rootsmusic.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bruce_Cockburn-stam\ p1.jpg (Alternate title: Gold But Better) While I was reading Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren, an Everest among books, part of the thrill was the space troubador character named, oddly enough, Bruce Cockburn, who provided a floating lyrical chorus to the convoluted narrative. I was so impressed that our Bruce was actually a fictional character. His transcendent, literate poetics had always seemed to come from his simultaneous experience of visions and sensations in another realm. Then, decades later, he reappears in The Shack by William P. Young, (a thoroughly redemptive prose work by the way) as the favourite songwriter of a character named God. The world of literature has given him the super-heroic proscenium under which to wield the authority that his musical avatar represents. In his human incarnation, as the laureate that his peers recognize him to be, he is a smiling face on the dance floor of the world, grooving, enjoying his anonymity. Why is there no Cockburn Legend in the Canadian archive? Examined, Bruce's talents are myriad. How much faceting can one diamond sustain? Zen master of specifically Canadian imagery, startlingly complex and subtle Mississippi-style guitar wizard, community beacon, bold mystic with Christian / Taoist / Buddhist / Sufic sleeves proudly exposed, one of the original folk bilingualists (ses textes ont été imprimés en français depuis les jours de Trudeau), international peace-seeker, singer of delicacy and urgency, shy public figure, outspoken political critic, muscular ecologist, diplomat, comedian, feminist, the defenceman on the Tears Are Not Enough team that rose up in the middle and roared out the crucial goal Let's show `em Canada still cares! Down at the atomic core of the crystal, the symmetry is off balance. As folk music audiences drift from the inspiration of cosmic bards toward the magnetism of the pragmatic romantics, shouldn't the insistence of his lessons impose a personality equal to their stature? In the TV world, he is an ambassador to the ruins of the war-torn, poverty-sick world, in the shadow of the cameras and his brother John the Doctor; he is a father, struggling with his confession of past parenting disorders. But this is not the archetype of the Promethean stealer of fire, dancing a sunwheel dance in the falling dark of the dragon's jaws that his writing portrays. The recent seventieth birthday of the top songwriter from that other country on our continent prompted a bacchanal of journalistic and poetic gush. I wonder about the different aspect of appreciation that our Canadian Gemini elicits. Somewhere in Colorado tonight, he will be celebrating his 66th birthday, reflecting, perhaps, on his major accomplishments, his Junos, his Hall of Fame induction, playing Pete Seeger's birthday, Nepal, Baghdad, SNL, the new Canada Post stamp, The Order of Canada. I wonder if Bruce Cockburn will be thankful for his significant lack of legend. Is being under the radar a stealth strategy to give him the personal space to go forth without cameras and crowds? Is his un-celebrity a way of honouring the essential human equality that he explicitly points to in lyric after lyric as the necessary precept to answering the illusory problems that incarnate life appears to impose? This way of living evidences a spiritual summit reached, but also, may I humbly suggest, a uniquely Canadian charm against the ways of the world, and the pitfalls of celebrity. Instead of I'm Not There, is Bruce Cockburn transformed into a cast of ordinary characters in his own biopic I'm Still Here? While the myth vortex fails to shape Bruce Cockburn http://www.brucecockburn.com/ into a symbolic being, he continues to translate perceptions from beyond the senses into the vulgate of the everyday for us, using language and music to provide his loyal fans with something like gold, but better. Steady on Mr. Cockburn, and best wishes today. You see the extremes Of what humans can be? In that distance some tension's born Energy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj never learned, practiced, or taught TM
Janet Hoffman is one-pointed and very effective. She publishes the Center's inventory of Maharishi's Tapes regularly, so we can know the Knowledge available. On a side-note Judy, my memories of the SRM Center on West End Avenue are sweet. I continue to live on West End, so pass by the location regularly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: [Rick wrote:] Probably because it's the only TM center in the country that has had the same center chairman (Janet Hoffman) since the 1960's. Exactly, and she seems very organized and careful. Janet's a pistol. Gave (no doubt still gives) the best intro lecture I ever heard. Haven't seen her in many years; I'm amazed she's still at it. Can't imagine how she managed to keep her wits through all the various upheavals the Manhattan Center has had. I was initiated at the satellite center on West End Avenue, which was just a couple of blocks from where I was living. Intimate and comfy; I was sad when it closed. But I never had any trouble with my records. Janet must have appropriated whatever it had and put it together with what she had.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj never learned, practiced, or taught TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Nice try troll. Dude, Barry doesn't read my posts. Therefore I have no clue who you are, or how you gained access to his email account. There is NO WAY you are him - just some impostor troll. I DO have evidence though, not from a database, but from a real member of the TMO who has access to such things, and it is irrefutable. As I said before, Vaj has never learned, practiced or taught TM. He also knows nothing about the TM Sidhis. Hardly surprising considering his level of understanding regarding how TM works. He has even disclosed he has no idea of how to use the mantra. Wait, there's a how? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you hate yer eyePhone?
Big brodder gonna come down on you bro. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: Snip You, on the other hand, have this buring desire to make him the devil, even though you say you have transcended your TM practice. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? I believe Vaj's contributions here are more sincere than that. If you accept the premise that there really IS a tradition of knowledge of yoga, and if you believe that Maharishi has corrupted it, then it all makes sense why Vaj would care. It comes from taking the knowledge very seriously. A tradition? Please. MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. For those who don't believe anything was lost, that is automatically a distortion. But, then you look at the countless arguments and disagreements about what meditation really is, and you realize that it is far more complicated than lost vs found or right vs wrong. MMY may have believed this simplistic world-view whole-heartedly, or he may have been content to simplify things for his students. My own take is that he was well aware that there are different beliefs and practices and that his specific focus was on those that are claimed to be dhyan. Anything he says about meditation should be taken in the light of this implicit assumption: all meditation techniques originate in dhyan practices, and dhyan has gotten distorted over the years. When we were all earnest TM teachers in the centers, if we had heard some guy was skipping the puja and selling TM mantras we would be incensed to our bones. We would be motivated to expose the person as a fraud and we would consider it our duty for the sake of the innocent public who was getting ripped off according to our POV. And? That is what TM teachers were taught. I assume that MMY believed there was something special about the puja in some sense or he wouldn't have insisted on it. Certainly he could have sold far more mantras had he skipped it himself. I don't share a confidence in whatever traditions of yoga Vaj is into, but I at least give him credit for being really into it and experiencing something that was compelling enough for him to come to the conclusions he has about the problems with Maharishi as a teacher and the limitations of TM as a practice. Since MMY set himself up as the great reformer, it is inevitable that all the non-reformed people would automatically denounce him as a fraud, etc. I don't fault Vaj for representing what he believes to be true as true, but I occasionally get put off by what I see as his inability to recognize his own issues: e.g., that he never got TM, at least in my opinion. I started thinking of posting something with the whole rap about the Ayur vedic doctor who Vaj said was unhappy with Maharishi and Richard said was still very much into him. Having had a front row seat for the contentious relationship between Maharishi and Triguna I find both POVs to be credible and non contradictory. Maharishi was a hard-ball guy but he had resources that these guys wanted. So depending on what day you spoke to Triguna you might get the perspective that he was furious that his services were being charged for in DC in contradiction to the Charaka Samhita. (Or maybe he was pissed because he didn't get a cut but only sold the medicines.) Or you might get a whole flowery speech about what a great guy Maharishi was and how wonderful it was that he was bringing Ayur Veda to the world. Same thing with Dr. Lad who was salty about Maharishi using his materials without recognition after he refused to participate with Maharishi's proprietary program. And then throw in a whole heap of Indian's tendency to piss and moan like drama queens about everything. So I don't get the impression that Richard is some one-dimentional TB, he seems sincere and has added a lot to this discussion from his experience. And I feel the same way about Vaj. Because you both care about these topics, it makes the discussions more interesting for me. Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post on the internet has some stake in what they are talking about. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Relax-all depend on the knowledge of passages (! [:D] )Great, you cannot take these posting seriously, too. Don't you?Sub sole nihil novi est - There's nothing new under the sun Was it not your beloved I. K. Taimni (YS 3.39) who wrote unintentionally ...uhh you know : The mind can enter another's body on relaxation of the cause of bondage and from knowledge of passages..Many people do not realize that the exercise of the Yogic powers is based upon detailed and precise knowledge of the physical and superphysical vehicles and rigorous training is necessary in the application of this knowledge for particular purposes.Yoga is a Science and its requirements are as exacting( [:-/] p 305) as those of physical Science. http://tinyurl.com/4x8oqtn : The 19 best unintentionally sexual church signs. (For your eyes only:siis kyseessäon ilmeisesti tieto niistä kanavista, joita pitkin tietoisuus siirtyy kehoon vaikkapa lapsen syntyessä??) Mind trickBody swap research to understand how the human brain constructs a sense of physical self:Dr Henrik Ehrsson at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden http://tinyurl.com/6ywc368 http://tinyurl.com/6mdlho --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: So, you seem to think that Shankara was -- according to Shankara-dig-vijaya by Maadhava-VidyaaraNya -- molesting women after having performed the yogic siddhi 'cittasya para-shariiraavesha' into the dead body of King Amaruka?
[FairfieldLife] Quick, Call Bevan: Crystal Cathedral Megachurch for Sale
NEW YORK -- Crystal Cathedral, one of the nation's first modern megachurches and one that had come to define the movement's opulent strain with its towering glass structures, elaborate stage productions and far-reaching Hour of Power television ministry, is up for sale. The struggling Southern California church filed for bankruptcy last year and has been fraught with conflict over church leadership and botched finances since its founder the Rev. Robert H. Schuller stepped down in 2006. A financial reorganization plan, which was submitted to court on Friday, would sell the 40-acre church campus for $46 million to Greenlaw Partners, a real estate investment group. The sale would allow the church to pay off a $36-million mortgage and pay back almost all the money its owes to 550 creditors over the next 3-and-a-half years. The church's board would have the option of leasing back the property for 15 years. After four years, the church would also have the option to buy back its most prized buildings, such as its $18 million 10,664-window glass sanctuary that was designed by famed architect Philip Johnson, a 13-story structure called the Tower of Hope, its welcome center and its cemetery. Under this plan, the ministry of the Crystal Cathedral will continue its local worship services and community outreach programs, church spokesman John Charles said in a statement. The church would also continue its Hour of Power television show, he said. Charles did not return a phone call and an email requesting comments on Friday. The sale, which would need to be approved at a June 1 bankruptcy court hearing, is the latest in a troubled history for a church that was once seen as the shining example of megachurch success in the United States.
[FairfieldLife] Personal Attacks
Personal attacks are more effective using firearms or other puncturing technology. If words must be used bear in mind the following: Ad hominem From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (minus the references and links for more uncluttered reading; original page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ) An ad hominem (Latin: to the man), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise. The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue. The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues, and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning of philosophical naturalism. Abusive Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to invalidate their argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but apparent character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions. Examples: * You can't believe Jack when he says the proposed policy would help the economy. He doesn't even have a job. * Candidate Jane's proposal about zoning is ridiculous. She was caught cheating on her taxes in 2003. An abusive ad hominem can apply to a judgment of cultural works or academic efforts based on the behavior or unconventional political beliefs of an artist, author, or musician, or the taste of an infamous person who loved a certain work. Examples: * Jimi Hendrix died of a drug overdose, so his music was worthless. * Leni Riefenstahl was a Nazi, so her film The Triumph of the Will is devoid of merit. * Sylvia Plath was a depressive who eventually committed suicide, so her works are unreadable. * That Boris Godunov was the favorite opera of Josef Stalin indicates the worthlessness of the opera. * What Ted Kaczynski wrote about boundary conditions in mathematics is shown false due to his crimes. * White men are privileged, so they can't comment on female oppression. Circumstantial Ad hominem circumstantial points out that someone is in circumstances such that he is disposed to take a particular position. Ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source). The circumstantial fallacy applies only where the source taking a position is only making a logical argument from premises that are generally accepted. Where the source seeks to convince an audience of the truth of a premise by a claim of authority or by personal observation, observation of their circumstances may reduce the evidentiary weight of the claims, sometimes to zero. Examples: Mandy Rice-Davies's famous testimony during the Profumo Affair, Well, he would [say that], wouldn't he?, is an example of a valid circumstantial argument. Her point was that since a man in a prominent position, accused of an affair with a callgirl, would deny the claim whether it was true or false, his denial, in itself, carries little evidential weight against the claim of an affair. Note, however, that this argument is valid only insofar as it devalues the denial; it does not bolster the original claim. To construe evidentiary invalidation of the denial as evidentiary validation of the original claim is fallacious (on several different bases, including that of argumentum ad hominem); however likely the man in question would be to deny an affair that did in fact happen, he could only be more likely to deny an affair that never did. Conflict of Interest: Where a source seeks to convince by a claim of authority or by personal observation, identification of conflicts of interest are not ad hominem â it is generally well accepted that an authority needs to be objective and impartial, and that an audience can only evaluate information from a source if they know about conflicts of interest that may affect the objectivity of the source. Identification of a conflict of interest is appropriate, and concealment of a conflict of interest is a problem. Tu quoque Ad hominem tu quoque (literally: You too!) refers to a claim that the source making the argument has spoken or acted in a way inconsistent with the argument. In particular, if Source A criticizes the actions of Source B, a tu quoque response is that Source A has acted in the same way. This argument is fallacious because it does
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post on the internet has some stake in what they are talking about. Lawson True. Otherwise why take the time to post it. However stake in this context is not limited to vested intellectual or emotional interest. One may want to explore an idea,not attached to where it leads, happy with any insight or conclusion that appears stronger, more insightful than from where the journey began. Their stake is in understanding things better. The other bookend are posters who are strongly, clinically addicted to their ideas, conclusions and views. Such posters may even have their self-identity wrapped up in these ideas and conclusions. Such have a HUGE stake in their posts because diminishment of their posts translates directly into diminisment of their souls, self-identities or at least addictive pleasure sources and drug source. Most posts fall somewhere in between.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quick, Call Bevan: Crystal Cathedral Megachurch for Sale
on behalf of Bevan:Sorry, no Vastu Design or according Maharishi Sthapatya Ved design --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: NEW YORK -- Crystal Cathedral, one of the nation's first modern megachurches and one that had come to define the movement's opulent strain with its towering glass structures, elaborate stage productions and far-reaching Hour of Power television ministry, is up for sale. The struggling Southern California church filed for bankruptcy last year and has been fraught with conflict over church leadership and botched finances since its founder the Rev. Robert H. Schuller stepped down in 2006. A financial reorganization plan, which was submitted to court on Friday, would sell the 40-acre church campus for $46 million to Greenlaw Partners, a real estate investment group. The sale would allow the church to pay off a $36-million mortgage and pay back almost all the money its owes to 550 creditors over the next 3-and-a-half years. The church's board would have the option of leasing back the property for 15 years. After four years, the church would also have the option to buy back its most prized buildings, such as its $18 million 10,664-window glass sanctuary that was designed by famed architect Philip Johnson, a 13-story structure called the Tower of Hope, its welcome center and its cemetery. Under this plan, the ministry of the Crystal Cathedral will continue its local worship services and community outreach programs, church spokesman John Charles said in a statement. The church would also continue its Hour of Power television show, he said. Charles did not return a phone call and an email requesting comments on Friday. The sale, which would need to be approved at a June 1 bankruptcy court hearing, is the latest in a troubled history for a church that was once seen as the shining example of megachurch success in the United States.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post on the internet has some stake in what they are talking about. True. Otherwise why take the time to post it. I am going to disagree with both sparaig and tartbrain here...respectfully...by pointing out that their argument may be based on the writer's feelings about the writing process. I write for a living. I am a fast enough typist so that there is almost no lag between what I think and it appear- ing onscreen as text. So I do it for fun. It's a way of concretizing the abstract ideas that flit through my mind, to see whether they have any lasting meaning for me other than as Just Another Flit-Thought. I write for fun. As Curtis has explained eloquently on this forum, I also write to figure things out, for myself. And then, having figured them out, I move on, and possibly figure them out a different way tomorrow, and yet another way the next day. I have no lingering attachment to any of them. I honestly believe that the people who make the claim that one cannot write an idea on the Internet without having some investment in it, or in wanting to convert others to the validity or supremacy of that idea are stating their *own* limitations, not mine. Sometimes I really write just for the fuck of it, and for the fun of it. If you can't, that's your problem, not mine. The rest of tart's post I agree with wholeheartedly, and have no comments on because he stated it eloquently and succinctly. However stake in this context is not limited to vested intellectual or emotional interest. One may want to explore an idea,not attached to where it leads, happy with any insight or conclusion that appears stronger, more insightful than from where the journey began. Their stake is in understanding things better. The other bookend are posters who are strongly, clinically addicted to their ideas, conclusions and views. Such posters may even have their self-identity wrapped up in these ideas and conclusions. Such have a HUGE stake in their posts because diminishment of their posts translates directly into diminisment of their souls, self-identities or at least addictive pleasure sources and drug source. Most posts fall somewhere in between.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence. Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of spirituality that I aspire to or seek.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj never learned, practiced, or taught TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Last time we went down this path I gave you a summary of Yogic Vedanta's definitions of states of unity consciousness. I did this because I doubted that you had access to the source material. It took me a lot of time because I work slowly, carefully and with continual measurement of the way we know what we know. This time is ain't necessarily so. Go read the discussions in the Meno between Socrates and the slave boy on recollection and innate knowledge. Then read his statements about mere opinion, true opinion and knowledge. Thank you. I do like books. And I appreciate your past references. Some of which I found of great value. However, I also like to go beyond book learning and understand things experientially, in ways that affect and nurture my living of life. My question was innocent, the direction perhaps not clear. I will restate, for my own value, I assume that you may punt (which is fine). In your day to day, real world living, outside of the domain of books, pure intellectual frameworks, and quoting of lofty sages, when do YOU (not plato, socrotes, shankara or any number of wise people) know that something is absolutely true, and not simply a byproduct of the way your mind, samskaras (roasted or not), culture, personal experience, biases (known and unknown), projection, wish fulfillment, hopin' and prayin' (and more crazy stuff that distorts our take on how things are) -- that I (perhaps crudely) lump together and term opinion. Some people claim a state that is irrefutably true, self-validating, and obvious. however, when the same claim flimsy, secondhand knowledge which is clearly not valid, well research or thought through as irrefutable, I tend to go back to the null hypothesis -- even in lofty spiritual matters, that ultimately its all opinion -- in the sense state above -- that is we see things through our own glasses and there is no such thing as an absolutely clear lens (unless you are Krishna or somebody -- I use Krishna as a metaphor for the perfect, flawless instrument (nervous system) to see things as they really are) -- and since I only know glimpses of Krishna, through my own distorted lens (I may be seeing nothing at all in reality) how could I possibly know what he knows and perceives.) If you can share how you personally have disproved the null hypothesis, I would be all ears. If you think you know how others did it, Socrotes, Shankara and who ever, thats interesting. But not to my point -- and while of some interest, is not the object of my full interest and attention at the moment. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Who the fucking hell cares what you have to say about this? Go talk to Bariatric-I whose opinion is that everything is opinion. To hold that there is something other than opinion implies you know something that is absolutely true. Can you share?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
On May 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: Snip You, on the other hand, have this buring desire to make him the devil, even though you say you have transcended your TM practice. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? I believe Vaj's contributions here are more sincere than that. If you accept the premise that there really IS a tradition of knowledge of yoga, and if you believe that Maharishi has corrupted it, then it all makes sense why Vaj would care. It comes from taking the knowledge very seriously. A tradition? Please. TM literature and research claims that it comes from an imagined Vedic tradition, when in fact, none of the mantras used in TM occur in Rig Veda. In fact the mantras are actually tantric. There are people who think and believe great spiritual traditions come from the Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians or the Bavarian Illuminati. They've founded organizations which claim to initiate folks into these alleged mysteries. But the fact they've created such organizations and have had great financial success at getting people to seek initiation in them, does not make such imaginary orgs legit. MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. Of course he did. He loved to self-promote and advertise his version as something special - and himself as someone special; read: Great Rishi rediscovers mantric cogitation, news at 11. For those who don't believe anything was lost, that is automatically a distortion. But, then you look at the countless arguments and disagreements about what meditation really is, and you realize that it is far more complicated than lost vs found or right vs wrong. Meditation, in a given context (let's say mantra meditation for this context) is very precisely defined. The fact is most people who tend to throw out opinions on this (or many other lists) have little idea what mantra meditation, it's breadth or it's scope actually is. TM teachers actually have little idea what mantra meditation is or it's basis and breadth and internal philosophy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence. Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of spirituality that I aspire to or seek. Who's talking about intolerance ? It's simply obvious that the two most vile critics of Maharishi are Buddhists and some speculate whether or not this is a coincidance. That's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, sparaig wrote: MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. Of course he did. He loved to self-promote and advertise his version as something special - and himself as someone special; read: Great Rishi rediscovers mantric cogitation, news at 11. NOT wanting to get sucked into Yet Another Bash Vaj Fest, I have to give credit where it's due. This is a great line. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Respectfully, not defensively, in the spirit of clarification, what you have said I blieve is precisely what I was getting at in my first book end. Th first bookend stake is a stake of better understanding and FUN (Jeez I would hope its apparent that a lot of my posts are whimsical and funning -- the stake being greater amusement and fun (hopefully not at the expense of others.) Stake was spraig's term, and i was trying to find common ground -- and thus I defined stake to be comprehensive of my take on posting motivations. And of course, like all, I can venture towards the second book end. More so perhaps in my posts of 6-8 years ago, while I was still in the midst of unwinding and healing the bentness from emerging from full commitment to an organization with cult like tendencies. i would hope we all can admit that we are Ideaholics at times, and can get addicted to our ideas and the pleasure centers they ring, the extra umph of self-identity and meaning in life they provide, the added glow in the soul they create. Just like alcohol and drugs increase dopamine and seritonin and give alcoholics (or causual drinkers) and pharma users -- addicted or casual -- a big rush too. The value is to see when that is happening and not indulge it as substantive -- let that mind state also pass. One may want to explore an idea,not attached to where it leads, happy with any insight or conclusion that appears stronger, more insightful than from where the journey began. Their stake is in understanding things better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post on the internet has some stake in what they are talking about. True. Otherwise why take the time to post it. I am going to disagree with both sparaig and tartbrain here...respectfully...by pointing out that their argument may be based on the writer's feelings about the writing process. I write for a living. I am a fast enough typist so that there is almost no lag between what I think and it appear- ing onscreen as text. So I do it for fun. It's a way of concretizing the abstract ideas that flit through my mind, to see whether they have any lasting meaning for me other than as Just Another Flit-Thought. I write for fun. As Curtis has explained eloquently on this forum, I also write to figure things out, for myself. And then, having figured them out, I move on, and possibly figure them out a different way tomorrow, and yet another way the next day. I have no lingering attachment to any of them. I honestly believe that the people who make the claim that one cannot write an idea on the Internet without having some investment in it, or in wanting to convert others to the validity or supremacy of that idea are stating their *own* limitations, not mine. Sometimes I really write just for the fuck of it, and for the fun of it. If you can't, that's your problem, not mine. The rest of tart's post I agree with wholeheartedly, and have no comments on because he stated it eloquently and succinctly. However stake in this context is not limited to vested intellectual or emotional interest. One may want to explore an idea,not attached to where it leads, happy with any insight or conclusion that appears stronger, more insightful than from where the journey began. Their stake is in understanding things better. The other bookend are posters who are strongly, clinically addicted to their ideas, conclusions and views. Such posters may even have their self-identity wrapped up in these ideas and conclusions. Such have a HUGE stake in their posts because diminishment of their posts translates directly into diminisment of their souls, self-identities or at least addictive pleasure sources and drug source. Most posts fall somewhere in between.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I believe Vaj's contributions here are more sincere than that. If you accept the premise that there really IS a tradition of knowledge of yoga, and if you believe that Maharishi has corrupted it, then it all makes sense why Vaj would care. It comes from taking the knowledge very seriously. Being sincere about one's own tradition is one thing; being intellectually honest in comparing it to another tradition is something else again. I think our perception of this has something to do with what motives we ascribe to him. Deliberate dishonesty requires the introduction of a dark motive, doesn't it? I'm not sure I have evidence for that but let's see if you do. But on the outset I accept your distinction as valuable if it applies. Two points: One, Vaj never addresses the question of whether MMY corrupted the tradition, or whether he *reformed* it after it had been corrupted by others. There's a good case to be made for the latter, but Vaj won't even acknowledge it, let alone debate it. I'm pretty sure we have heard his opinion on this. He believes that Maharishi corrupted it and that TMers are incorrect to believe that he reformed it. He may also believe that except for a few special people, the tradition itself had gone into some disrepair. He does seem to believe that there are people capable of passing on the correct information in the right way, and that he has met some of them. (Feel free to jump in at any time Vaj considering this is your head we are autopsying! Two, what does not make sense is why Vaj misrepresents, in very specific and documentable ways, the basic instructions for practicing TM when he claims to have been a TM teacher. It's not just a matter of not using TM lingo, it's misrepresentation of the mechanics. (Extensive documentation on request.) I believe you here in terms of your perspective, but since I have gotten in to this snare myself from time to time I see it differently. When you have been out of TM for a long time and have applied other points of view to the teaching, you come up with your own understanding that can be really different from the TM one. And it makes little sense to go back and parrot a POV you have long since rejected. Especially since he has studied systems with excruciating details of mental states, it seems likely that he would view our TM practice in a very different way. He might have his own take on all sorts of details of what we do. Crappy example but its what I can come up with now. Lets say that there was some kind of practice that actually WAS more effortless than TM. In comparison the practice of TM might seem contrived and having a quality of effort that was objectionable to a practitioner of this system. They might commit the ultimate blasphemous phrase that TM requires effort and their practice does not. If it really was their experience, then it would be true for them, but it would seem like he had no understanding of TM wouldn't it? I think some of this is going on in how Vaj describes TM, which in his mind, is a superficial version of the high octane one he is into. Neither of these smacks of intellectual honesty. How can a sincere comparison between teachings be made when one of them is consistently and willfully shortchanged? I sense his implied condescension concerning TM practice since he believes he is doing something much deeper and better. I am still not sure I can see motive for your intellectual honesty angle. He has said that he enjoyed the benefits of TM until he found something which he feels is better. So he acknowledges that TM does the stuff I enjoy from my practice. But then he claims that there are practices that lead you to sit in a state of no thought for days at a time. Personally I would rather sprinkle thumb tacks on my Cheerios and eat them than sit in any state for more than say an hour. But from his POV, if you accept the premise that this is valuable, then it is also really clear that TM doesn't deliver that. (Or hasn't to me, which suite me just fine.) So I'm not sure he is shortchanging it as much as he believes if comes up short. Again, it's like a devout Roman Catholic scholar putting down Martin Luther because his teachings didn't accord with those of the Vatican, rather than making a reasoned case for the Vatican's teachings being more authentic and for why Luther's were a corruption. That is a great example because I suspect there hasn't been a lot of the latter as much as the former in history. But it brings up an interesting point of how intellectual discourse is conducted here and my motive in pursuing this conversation. I have long believed that a front row seat on a detailed discussion on such details between you and Vaj as well as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dueling Fundamentalists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip The TM Birthers who say that Vaj never learned TM base this on their claim that he doesn't use the proper language to describe TM. Only one way of expressing the mechanics of meditation is Right, Damnit. Nope, wrong. Let's put this attempt to confuse the issue to rest. First, the issue isn't so much whether Vaj ever learned TM as it is whether he was ever a TM teacher, as he claims to have been. It isn't that unusual for a TMer who hasn't taken TTC or checker training to get the mechanics of TM wrong. Second, we aren't talking about the mechanics of meditation, we're talking about *the mechanics of TM*. Third, *some* variations in the language used to express the mechanics of TM won't make much if any difference in the practice. Others will, and these are the kinds of variations we're talking about. It would be absurd to insist that choice of language never makes any difference. You have to look at variations in language on a case-by- case basis to decide which matter and which don't. Barry is invited to make the case that Vaj's assertion Of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM has no significant implications for the practice of TM. IOW, if a person sat and waited for the mantra instead of introducing it as soon as they realized they weren't thinking the mantra, would they still be practicing TM? Does waiting for the mantra accurately describe the mechanics of TM? When Barry was teaching TM, would he have used this phrase to express the mechanics of TM to new meditators? We'll wait... Actually, if we do wait, we'll be waiting forever, because Barry ain't gonna touch this with a 10-foot pole. But dollars to donuts, he'll continue to promote the canard he started with in his attempt to discredit those who doubt Vaj's TM-teacher credentials, including the person Barry has said is the most rational and restrained person on the forum: Because you repeatedly indicate that you really don't know how TM actually works I very much suspect that you're an outright fraud.--the do.rk to Vaj
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/28/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, sparaig wrote: MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. Of course he did. He loved to self-promote and advertise his version as something special - and himself as someone special; read: Great Rishi rediscovers mantric cogitation, news at 11. NOT wanting to get sucked into Yet Another Bash Vaj Fest, I have to give credit where it's due. This is a great line. :-) This is nothing new, all Gurus advertised their mantras, meditation techniques as special, they understand the greedy goal oriented nature of the human mind which projects itself and the pursuit of realization as special. Mature seekers slowly realize this, retards like Barry and Vaj never get it, since their first exposure to spirituality has been through cults and all spirituality looks like a form of mind control for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj never learned, practiced, or taught TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Last time we went down this path I gave you a summary of Yogic Vedanta's definitions of states of unity consciousness. I did this because I doubted that you had access to the source material. It took me a lot of time because I work slowly, carefully and with continual measurement of the way we know what we know. This time is ain't necessarily so. Go read the discussions in the Meno between Socrates and the slave boy on recollection and innate knowledge. Then read his statements about mere opinion, true opinion and knowledge. Thank you. I do like books. And I appreciate your past references. Some of which I found of great value. However, I also like to go beyond book learning and understand things experientially, in ways that affect and nurture my living of life. My question was innocent, the direction perhaps not clear. I will restate, for my own value, I assume that you may punt (which is fine). In your day to day, real world living, outside of the domain of books, pure intellectual frameworks, and quoting of lofty sages, when do YOU (not plato, socrotes, shankara or any number of wise people) know that something is absolutely true, and not simply a byproduct of the way your mind, samskaras (roasted or not), culture, personal experience, biases (known and unknown), projection, wish fulfillment, hopin' and prayin' (and more crazy stuff that distorts our take on how things are) -- that I (perhaps crudely) lump together and term opinion. Some people claim a state that is irrefutably true, self-validating, and obvious. however, when the same claim flimsy, secondhand knowledge which is clearly not valid, well research or thought through as irrefutable, I tend to go back to the null hypothesis -- even in lofty spiritual matters, that ultimately its all opinion -- in the sense state above -- that is we see things through our own glasses and there is no such thing as an absolutely clear lens (unless you are Krishna or somebody -- I use Krishna as a metaphor for the perfect, flawless instrument (nervous system) to see things as they really are) -- and since I only know glimpses of Krishna, through my own distorted lens (I may be seeing nothing at all in reality) how could I possibly know what he knows and perceives.) If you can share how you personally have disproved the null hypothesis, I would be all ears. If you think you know how others did it, Socrotes, Shankara and who ever, thats interesting. But not to my point -- and while of some interest, is not the object of my full interest and attention at the moment. Another side of opinion is projection. We not only see the world though our own lenses -- the lens are who we are, IMO. Thus, we see our take on things, we see our values, our inner states projected out onto the world. I suggest that we see absolutely nothing else, that is we cannot see outside of what we are and what we project onto the world. Where some see pure assholes, I sometimes do not always share that perception / projections. What has always struck me with some, MMY, SSRS, Amma, and others is that they always saw me in a better light than I saw myself. That is because they were seeing themselves, infinite awareness, infinite love, in me. That is my personal experience with them, others may have had different ones, I can only speak for myself. When I see people constantly characterizing others as assholes (assholes being a short hand for lump sum of all insults) I can only surmise that their inner world is assholish not unbounded, not filled with unconditional infinite love. When some act as such, but claim infinite love (or states that have that attribute) I am simply struck with wonder. I don't refute their claims, but I hardly can give them much credence either. Its simply an unexplained wonder. So, as I asked one of our esteemed posters* 4-5 years ago, is it all projection (which is the flip side of the question I asked last night Is it all opinion) I ask you all: Is it all projection? (And interestingly, this poster is the only one who, having implied or claimed sustained altered states, never (except once briefly) has exhibited anger or spewed insults in 1000 plus posts. Not proof of any sustained altered state, but such behavior does not disprove the null hypothesis either (in my perhaps warped view of things). Null hypothesis in this case is Is enlightened. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Who the fucking hell cares what you have to say about this? Go talk to Bariatric-I whose opinion is that everything is opinion. To hold that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you hate yer eyePhone?
On 05/28/2011 01:48 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever. You should have ignored peer pressure and gotten an Android phone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence. Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of spirituality that I aspire to or seek. Who's talking about intolerance ? It's simply obvious that the two most vile critics of Maharishi are Buddhists and some speculate whether or not this is a coincidance. That's all. Definitely not intolerance, it shows the spiritual depth of the people attracted to Buddhism. People like Tart, Vaj and Barry have trouble with the paradox of a real Guru like MMY however are very comfortable with the consistency of a pseudo-spiritualist like Dalai Lama. Their egos are not disturbed, their imperfections are never addressed instead it results in ideals of world peace or fascination for political revolutions. These retards get attracted by equally retarded fake spiritualists like Gandhi, Lama MLK with their consistent values of non-violence, peace, compassion or whatever rocks their boat. A real Guru OTOH never cares for outer imperfections, he or she only cares for the inner revolution. Perfection is never possible in the outer, perfection in the inner is merely the acceptance of an imperfectly perfect world. Retards like Tart, Vaj and Barry who project their perfections on the Guru are sorely disappointed and spend their rest of lives denouncing Gurus, moving to Holland, condemning US, supporting terrorist causes in the name of peace, or promoting political revolutions in countries such as Egypt and being fascinated with Buddhism and Dalai Lama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you hate yer eyePhone?
No, don't you realize he's an advance IT manager at eyeGhetto Technologies? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Big brodder gonna come down on you bro. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you hate yer eyePhone?
On May 28, 2011, at 4:48 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever. Poor guy, he fell for these promotions that sell you OLD (3GS) iPhones. And you can jailbreak a 3GS so it can multitask quite easily. But he's does have a good point re: Flash. If I want a good smart phone, it needs to be smart enuff to open a Flash-based web site. I really could care less if Steve Jobs gets along with Adobe or not.
[FairfieldLife] All Religions are False
Did you know that all religions are false? All traditions are ultimately bunk? That whatever you believe is manufactured in your little mind? That you could equally believe something else? Many of us probably have believed something else, and then changed what we thought was true. Everyone has something in them, that will be provoked if you probe them, or push them, or attack them persistently enough. One of the goals of reasoning is to somehow connect thought with experience in a way that is 'true.' It is a rather slippery process. Take Vaj's alleged lack of understanding of TM terminology and the mechanics of TM. To my mind, this does indicate he may not have any good familiarity with it. But I know virtually nothing about this person, nor have had the time to review posts here more extensively. Do we have really concrete evidence to definitively support the view he was never what he claimed, even if it seems likely? If a person becomes 'free,' in the sense of enlightenment, they do not necessarily retain the language and manner of expression of the environment which led them along the merry path. Some may, some may not. In the TMO, developing a person's own manner of expression concerning the ins and outs of spiritual progress seems to be a punishable offense. So to develop a natural mode of expression consonant with what is left of a personality requires leaving. Maybe there is no point to any of this. We recall that Buddha said he attained nothing from supreme enlightenment. So, for those in the grips of other spiritual traditions, what can we suppose will be gained if enlightenment happens along those paths? For know that no one is free, except Zeus. âAeschylus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I believe Vaj's contributions here are more sincere than that. If you accept the premise that there really IS a tradition of knowledge of yoga, and if you believe that Maharishi has corrupted it, then it all makes sense why Vaj would care. It comes from taking the knowledge very seriously. Being sincere about one's own tradition is one thing; being intellectually honest in comparing it to another tradition is something else again. I think our perception of this has something to do with what motives we ascribe to him. Deliberate dishonesty requires the introduction of a dark motive, doesn't it? I'm not sure I have evidence for that but let's see if you do. But on the outset I accept your distinction as valuable if it applies. Intellectual dishonesty is not necessarily always a deliberate attempt to deceive. It can be something one falls into without realizing it in an attempt to establish the validity of a strongly held point of view or belief, either because the case for its validity isn't really all that good, or simply because one is having trouble figuring out how to make that case with intellectual honesty, so one takes unwarranted shortcuts. That being said, as far as Vaj is concerned there is plenty of evidence that he has not always been *factually* honest, i.e., that he has engaged in deliberate deception. I don't know if you want to get into history to the extent necessary to justify that assertion. But I wouldn't rule out dark motives on his part. In some cases it may simply be a matter of ego-investment in being right rather than an intention to malign with malice aforethought. I'm not at all sure that's true of all cases, though. Anyway: Two points: One, Vaj never addresses the question of whether MMY corrupted the tradition, or whether he *reformed* it after it had been corrupted by others. There's a good case to be made for the latter, but Vaj won't even acknowledge it, let alone debate it. I'm pretty sure we have heard his opinion on this. He believes that Maharishi corrupted it and that TMers are incorrect to believe that he reformed it He won't acknowledge that there's a good case to be made for the reformed claim. He does acknowledge such a claim is made. So, yes, we know his opinion, but he won't engage in debate about it. snip Two, what does not make sense is why Vaj misrepresents, in very specific and documentable ways, the basic instructions for practicing TM when he claims to have been a TM teacher. It's not just a matter of not using TM lingo, it's misrepresentation of the mechanics. (Extensive documentation on request.) I believe you here in terms of your perspective, but since I have gotten in to this snare myself from time to time I see it differently. When you have been out of TM for a long time and have applied other points of view to the teaching, you come up with your own understanding that can be really different from the TM one. The question is whether that understanding represents TM accurately. Vaj says, 'Waiting for the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM. But wait for the mantra is *directly contrary* to the instructions for TM. And it makes little sense to go back and parrot a POV you have long since rejected. Especially since he has studied systems with excruciating details of mental states, it seems likely that he would view our TM practice in a very different way. He might have his own take on all sorts of details of what we do. I understand your point. But I'd simply ask you, if TM meditators waited for the mantra, would they still be practicing TM as taught by MMY? (I'm not asking whether that couldn't be a valid way to meditate but whether they'd be practicing TM as you learned to teach it; the issue is that Vaj maintains this is how TM is to be practiced.) Crappy example but its what I can come up with now. Lets say that there was some kind of practice that actually WAS more effortless than TM. In comparison the practice of TM might seem contrived and having a quality of effort that was objectionable to a practitioner of this system. They might commit the ultimate blasphemous phrase that TM requires effort and their practice does not. If it really was their experience, then it would be true for them, but it would seem like he had no understanding of TM wouldn't it? I think some of this is going on in how Vaj describes TM, which in his mind, is a superficial version of the high octane one he is into. I'll grant the point for the sake of argument (the issue of effort is difficult to discuss, and I'm not convinced from what he's said that Vaj really gets the sense in which TM is effortless), but I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@... wrote: [...] How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness. Geezerfreak, your language broadcasts who you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: No, I've never been heavily involved in the TMO. However, every list of cult criteria I've ever read--and that's quite a few by now--includes items that do not conform to what I *do* know about the TMO. Like, for example, what I just pointed out (but you failed to address) about Kramer's scheme. It simply doesn't fit. You've never been involved in the TMO? So you've never spent lengthy time around MMY, right? Sorry, I was trying to dialog with the wrong person. I have no interest at all in engaging in one of your endless, pointless (and boring)diatribes. Translation: Gee, she made a point I have no way to rebut. I tried to ignore it, but she brought it up again. WhatamIgonnado? Hey, I know, I'll just beat a hasty retreat and call what she said a diatribe. And for good measure, I'll call the point she made that I can't rebut endless, pointless, and boring, and I'll even delete it in the hope that nobody will remember what she said. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh my god Judy, thank you, I've seen the light. You are so unbelievably brilliant! Have you ever thought of starting your own movement? Can I join? Can I call you Raja Judy? Can I call you God? How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
sad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Oh it does, your highness. I've even changed my mantra to cuntanada. Be careful what you put your attention on; What you put your attention on grows... Ya, know, you could become a big fat pussy! Consider yourself warned... R.G. Good point Robert. But to call Judy a big fat pussy...don't you think it's a bit harsh? True, but harsh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personal Attacks
Rick - well done and much appreciated by most accounts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@... wrote: on 9/25/06 10:16 AM, geezerfreak at geezerfreak@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Oh it does, your highness. I've even changed my mantra to cuntanada. Be careful what you put your attention on; What you put your attention on grows... Ya, know, you could become a big fat pussy! Consider yourself warned... R.G. Good point Robert. But to call Judy a big fat pussy...don't you think it's a bit harsh? True, but harsh. I would like to suggest that we curb our inclination to hurl personal insults at Judy, in light of the first FFL guideline: ³1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button.² Try criticizing the content, tone, or volume of her posts, without resorting to grade school name-calling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
McGurk worshiper, are you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Come without hesitation. Just Come. Soon. Maharishi feels we need 2000 here very soon, or we will only have 1/2 invincibility and I don't think we want to see what that will mean. John Konhause Raja of California From the Guru Papers by Kramer: A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the group plateaus and then begins to wane. Eventually it becomes obvious that the guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in the immediate future. When the realization comes that humanity is too stupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom of the guru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over. Then one of two things generally happens: the first is that the guru's message turns pessimistic or doomsday, voicing something like this: Soon civilization is going to break down and face amazing disasters -- except for us, who are wisely withdrawing to protectdt ourselves and retain our purity. Except they *aren't* withdrawing to protect themselves from amazing disasters and retain their purity. They're withdrawing--most of them temporarily--to *prevent* amazing disasters. Regardless of whether you think this will *work*. Moreover, MMY's been in apocalyptic mode--always to *prevent* apocalypse--pretty much since the beginning of the movement. The mode has been more or less dire depending on the situation, but this isn't some new phase. And it's *never* been for TMers to protect themselves while the inevitable apocalypse happens all around them. That has never been MMY's message, at least not that I've ever heard. The TM movement just doesn't fit conveniently into the standard cult categories. From the Guru Papers by McGurk: A sure sign of a cult member is when he or she claims that their cult doesn't fit conveniently into the standard cult categories.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
Jim, I think that you'll find an extensive field of literature that is targeted to the disaffected. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Come without hesitation. Just Come. Soon. Maharishi feels we need 2000 here very soon, or we will only have 1/2 invincibility and I don't think we want to see what that will mean. John Konhause Raja of California From the Guru Papers by Kramer: A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the group plateaus and then begins to wane. Eventually it becomes obvious that the guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in the immediate future. When the realization comes that humanity is too stupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom of the guru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over. Then one of two things generally happens: the first is that the guru's message turns pessimistic or doomsday, voicing something like this: Soon civilization is going to break down and face amazing disasters -- except for us, who are wisely withdrawing to protectdt ourselves and retain our purity. This posting of quotations from the Guru Papers is just substituting one external authority, for another. First those who are disenchanted with Maharishi followed him around like he was their savior, thinking he would lead them and the world to the promised land. Then after that didn't happen, a source is found in these Guru Papers that now mirrors the thinking and feeling of the disenchanted ex TMers, and this new authority figure is quoted as the new truth. Who's next?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Ayurveda Tested and Safe
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you hate yer eyePhone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/28/2011 01:48 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever. You should have ignored peer pressure and gotten an Android phone. I have an Android phone (ZTE Blade, uh...). Gotta admit my Nokia N8 sucks compared to it, save a (far ) better camera and perhaps a bit more sensitive touch screen. But Blade was 200 euros and Nokia N8 400 euros...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
Without a shred of doubt from someone who is trying to get people to think for themselves and not swallow every bit of information sent from on high. And I'm doing it with compassion? Sounds to me like your mind is made up once and forever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: First those who are disenchanted with Maharishi followed him around like he was their savior, thinking he would lead them and the world to the promised land. Then after that didn't happen, a source is found in these Guru Papers that now mirrors the thinking and feeling of the disenchanted ex TMers, and this new authority figure is quoted as the new truth. Who's next? Dude, are you nuts? The guru papers are just something that happened to be handy when I received the latest message from, um, Raja. There are 100s of books about cult behavior available. Some are worthwhile, some are junk. So screw the guru papers if they don't speak to you. I'm only trying to get people to think for themselves and not swallow every bit of information sent from on high. And I'm doing it with compassion. I was therethere was a time when I would have believed every word that sprang out of MMYs mouth. It;s a dangerous mental place to behistory proves that. Let me ask youwhat do you suppose would happens if someone...say Raja John for instance (who I knew quite well), stood up and said Maharishi, I feel that this is the wrong direction to take. We sound like we're threatening people with disaster who do not come to the dome. What would his movement life expectancy be? Brother, his bags would be packed before he got back to his room. What if you (assuming you live in FF) announced that you were opposed to the politics of fear being used to get people to go to the domes, that you were in opposition to Raja John's statement? Might be a bad day for you, know what I mean? Some of my best friends live in FF, people I dearly care about. They are good people, people who truly care about others. All I'm saying is that the TMO (and that means MMY) has, for quite some time now, been anything but open in its allowance of expression of thoughts that are anything other than the party line. Thus you have kingdoms, rajas and a complete structural hierarchy. Democratic thought processes are not welcome in a cult. And the TBs of TM are, without a shred of doubt, living in a cult.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Religions are False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Did you know that all religions are false? All traditions are ultimately bunk? That whatever you believe is manufactured in your little mind? That you could equally believe something else? Many of us probably have believed something else, and then changed what we thought was true. Everyone has something in them, that will be provoked if you probe them, or push them, or attack them persistently enough. One of the goals of reasoning is to somehow connect thought with experience in a way that is 'true.' It is a rather slippery process. Stipulated. I think most of us here would concur. Take Vaj's alleged lack of understanding of TM terminology and the mechanics of TM. To my mind, this does indicate he may not have any good familiarity with it. But I know virtually nothing about this person, nor have had the time to review posts here more extensively. Do we have really concrete evidence to definitively support the view he was never what he claimed, even if it seems likely? We have concrete evidence that he has misrepresented the instructions for practicing TM, yes. We don't know for sure whether he did so out of ignorance of those instructions, or as a deliberate attempt to mislead and deceive. But we also know that when he was corrected, he attempted to refute the correction by misrepresenting the checking notes, to which he has access on the Web even if he never memorized them or if he forgot them. And we know that when his misrepresentation of the checking notes was corrected, he neither made any attempt to refute the correction nor acknowledged his error. People who learn TM have been known to become confused about the instructions. People who learn TM and then take TTC might conceivably, years after having done any teaching, forget some of the specifics and misrepresent the instructions unintentionally; but if they're honest, when they're corrected they'll acknowledge the error. If a person becomes 'free,' in the sense of enlightenment, they do not necessarily retain the language and manner of expression of the environment which led them along the merry path. Some may, some may not. Even if they *don't* become free, their language and manner of expression may change. In the TMO, developing a person's own manner of expression concerning the ins and outs of spiritual progress seems to be a punishable offense. Minus the punishable hyperbole, this is often if not always the case, but it does depend to a great extent on whether the individual's mode of expression is *compatible with* MMY's teaching. It's not clear to me if you're including the instructions for practicing TM among the ins and outs of spiritual progress. The latitude for using one's own manner of expression to describe the instructions is considerably less than for describing one's spiritual progress. To say, for instance, that in practicing TM one is instructed to make an effort to block thoughts from arising would be patently factually inaccurate. Likeise 'Waiting for the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM, which is something Vaj has actually said. And given his attempt to refute the corrections he received after making this statement, it's clear that it wasn't a function of some different, more exalted perspective on the ins and outs of spritual progress. So to develop a natural mode of expression consonant with what is left of a personality requires leaving. Maybe there is no point to any of this. Leaving what? The TMO? The personality? confused We recall that Buddha said he attained nothing from supreme enlightenment. A statement with many levels of meaning, some of which most likely depend on one's state of consciousness. So, for those in the grips of other spiritual traditions, what can we suppose will be gained if enlightenment happens along those paths? Is this intended to relate to your question about Vaj above? If so, I'm missing the connection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj never learned, practiced, or taught TM
Your phrase pure intellectual frameworks shows a common notion of thinking as mere conceptuality. Intellectus/Nous did not originally mean that - it did not mean mind but rather knowing. Reality, knowing and the knowable cohere in the intellect but not the rational mind. That means that what we are is more essential than mind and also that there can be fundamental accord and adequateness between knower and known. You don't seem to give much credence to that possibility. As far as a written essay or a book is concerned, Plato called it a formula for forgetting. As we all know,most education trains people to read rapidly and get the main points. Then they write it down for a test and forget about it. This trains us in certain mental skills but also trains us to only move on to the next thought, the next thing. There is another way, another mode ... contemplative reading.Contemplation/theoria means to move into an idea beyond mere associative thinking until that idea stands alone and transparent to intelligence. The idea may prove to be a mere verbal/conceptual formulation not pointing beyond its own swollen denotation. But if it is full of vertical opulence and degrees of being, an idea can catapult us into that which is not sensory, not verbal and not conceptual because it is purely noetic and trans-rational. There is another level - the ineffable that which is knowable but not describable. However, although more interesting in some ways, I don't have the time to consider that here. So I'll leave you with one of those merely intellectual quotes: As far as pure and absolute truth, it can only be found beyond all its possible expressions; these expressions, as such, cannot claim the attributes of this truth, their relative remoteness from it is expressed by their differentiation and multiplicity, by which they are strictly limited. - Frithjof Schuon .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: Thank you. I do like books. And I appreciate your past references. Some of which I found of great value. However, I also like to go beyond book learning and understand things experientially, in ways that affect and nurture my living of life. My question was innocent, the direction perhaps not clear. I will restate, for my own value, I assume that you may punt (which is fine). In your day to day, real world living, outside of the domain of books, pure intellectual frameworks, and quoting of lofty sages, when do YOU (not plato, socrotes, shankara or any number of wise people) know that something is absolutely true, and not simply a byproduct of the way your mind, samskaras (roasted or not), culture, personal experience, biases (known and unknown), projection, wish fulfillment, hopin' and prayin' (and more crazy stuff that distorts our take on how things are) -- that I (perhaps crudely) lump together and term opinion. Some people claim a state that is irrefutably true, self-validating, and obvious. however, when the same claim flimsy, secondhand knowledge which is clearly not valid, well research or thought through as irrefutable, I tend to go back to the null hypothesis -- even in lofty spiritual matters, that ultimately its all opinion -- in the sense state above -- that is we see things through our own glasses and there is no such thing as an absolutely clear lens (unless you are Krishna or somebody -- I use Krishna as a metaphor for the perfect, flawless instrument (nervous system) to see things as they really are) -- and since I only know glimpses of Krishna, through my own distorted lens (I may be seeing nothing at all in reality) how could I possibly know what he knows and perceives.) If you can share how you personally have disproved the null hypothesis, I would be all ears. If you think you know how others did it, Socrotes, Shankara and who ever, thats interesting. But not to my point -- and while of some interest, is not the object of my full interest and attention at the moment. Another side of opinion is projection. We not only see the world though our own lenses -- the lens are who we are, IMO. Thus, we see our take on things, we see our values, our inner states projected out onto the world. I suggest that we see absolutely nothing else, that is we cannot see outside of what we are and what we project onto the world. Where some see pure assholes, I sometimes do not always share that perception / projections. What has always struck me with some, MMY, SSRS, Amma, and others is that they always saw me in a better light than I saw myself. That is because they were seeing themselves, infinite awareness, infinite love, in me. That is my personal experience with them, others may have had different ones, I can only speak for myself. When I see people constantly characterizing others as assholes (assholes being a short hand for lump sum of all insults) I can only surmise that their inner world is assholish not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
Gee, Dan, the post you quote is from way back in 2006. Joe (geezerfreak) and I are on good terms these days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: [...] How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness. Geezerfreak, your language broadcasts who you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: No, I've never been heavily involved in the TMO. However, every list of cult criteria I've ever read--and that's quite a few by now--includes items that do not conform to what I *do* know about the TMO. Like, for example, what I just pointed out (but you failed to address) about Kramer's scheme. It simply doesn't fit. You've never been involved in the TMO? So you've never spent lengthy time around MMY, right? Sorry, I was trying to dialog with the wrong person. I have no interest at all in engaging in one of your endless, pointless (and boring)diatribes. Translation: Gee, she made a point I have no way to rebut. I tried to ignore it, but she brought it up again. WhatamIgonnado? Hey, I know, I'll just beat a hasty retreat and call what she said a diatribe. And for good measure, I'll call the point she made that I can't rebut endless, pointless, and boring, and I'll even delete it in the hope that nobody will remember what she said. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh my god Judy, thank you, I've seen the light. You are so unbelievably brilliant! Have you ever thought of starting your own movement? Can I join? Can I call you Raja Judy? Can I call you God? How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you hate yer eyePhone?
On 05/28/2011 09:32 AM, Vaj wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 4:48 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/ The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple. I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?). #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day). #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)? #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing is limited! #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may takes hours before it will let you regain controls). #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and else. #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a reasonable price. #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever). #7 it is outrageously expensive to run. #8 ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and last apple product ever. Poor guy, he fell for these promotions that sell you OLD (3GS) iPhones. And you can jailbreak a 3GS so it can multitask quite easily. But he's does have a good point re: Flash. If I want a good smart phone, it needs to be smart enuff to open a Flash-based web site. I really could care less if Steve Jobs gets along with Adobe or not. I don't know what Jobs has against multi tasking. Maybe it is just an attitude that most people won't use it and avoiding it keeps the devices simple and hence fewer bugs. There's something to be said for that. From what I've looked at iOS development it is pretty simple and Apple actually writes some good docs for people not familiar with ObjectC and of course most of your own code can be C++ which a lot of programmers know. With Android everyone wants to hang their nifty idea off the OS so it could become very bloated like Linux. Whenever I read through the Android developer group I wonder what the hell some of the folks are trying to do and often something way beyond the scope of an app.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
People? You mean actual Vedic pandits like SSRS just imagine it? Gosh, and all this time he was just giving me baby food for Anglos. Webinars don't count. Who were your gurus? Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Forget a few public abhishekas. What tantric training do you proclaim? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: TM literature and research claims that it comes from an imagined Vedic tradition, when in fact, none of the mantras used in TM occur in Rig Veda. In fact the mantras are actually tantric. There are people who think and believe great spiritual traditions come from the Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians or the Bavarian Illuminati. They've founded organizations which claim to initiate folks into these alleged mysteries. But the fact they've created such organizations and have had great financial success at getting people to seek initiation in them, does not make such imaginary orgs legit. MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. Of course he did. He loved to self-promote and advertise his version as something special - and himself as someone special; read: Great Rishi rediscovers mantric cogitation, news at 11. For those who don't believe anything was lost, that is automatically a distortion. But, then you look at the countless arguments and disagreements about what meditation really is, and you realize that it is far more complicated than lost vs found or right vs wrong. Meditation, in a given context (let's say mantra meditation for this context) is very precisely defined. The fact is most people who tend to throw out opinions on this (or many other lists) have little idea what mantra meditation, it's breadth or it's scope actually is. TM teachers actually have little idea what mantra meditation is or it's basis and breadth and internal philosophy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
I am glad to hear that you two are getting on well. My comment is more directed to the kind of exchange that I've seen over the years on FFL. If I do protest too much, I apologize. I just wanted to get my two cents in for civility. But if civility is the new normal here on FFL, I'm as happy as a clam. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Gee, Dan, the post you quote is from way back in 2006. Joe (geezerfreak) and I are on good terms these days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: [...] How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness. Geezerfreak, your language broadcasts who you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: No, I've never been heavily involved in the TMO. However, every list of cult criteria I've ever read--and that's quite a few by now--includes items that do not conform to what I *do* know about the TMO. Like, for example, what I just pointed out (but you failed to address) about Kramer's scheme. It simply doesn't fit. You've never been involved in the TMO? So you've never spent lengthy time around MMY, right? Sorry, I was trying to dialog with the wrong person. I have no interest at all in engaging in one of your endless, pointless (and boring)diatribes. Translation: Gee, she made a point I have no way to rebut. I tried to ignore it, but she brought it up again. WhatamIgonnado? Hey, I know, I'll just beat a hasty retreat and call what she said a diatribe. And for good measure, I'll call the point she made that I can't rebut endless, pointless, and boring, and I'll even delete it in the hope that nobody will remember what she said. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh my god Judy, thank you, I've seen the light. You are so unbelievably brilliant! Have you ever thought of starting your own movement? Can I join? Can I call you Raja Judy? Can I call you God? How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein, henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada. Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all knowledge. No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to see her brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness.
[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It - Bruno Barbosa - Weekly Column
Think About It - Bruno Barbosa - Weekly Column May 28, 2011 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven (Ecclesiastes 3:1) Why throw all away, thinking that your turn to receive the victory will never come? Even if you are 'in the end of the line' ... your time will come. (Bruno Barbosa) Often we are impatient when we want or need something in our lives. We think that nothing will go right and that God does not care for us neither work for our cause. Actually the God's time does not correspond to our, but surely the victory comes at the best time that could be. Simply because God knows our needs and knows the right time to answer our requests. Trust Him and see that the line is not so big and your time will come soon! Bruno Barbosa Ministry To Reflect para-refle...@hotmail.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
In Vaj's case, he is obviously depressed and in denial about Tibet being fucked up, so he blames MMY for everything wrong in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
One Word: TIBET. Case closed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, sparaig wrote: MMY always portrayed his technique as a revival of something lost. Of course he did. He loved to self-promote and advertise his version as something special - and himself as someone special; read: Great Rishi rediscovers mantric cogitation, news at 11. NOT wanting to get sucked into Yet Another Bash Vaj Fest, I have to give credit where it's due. This is a great line. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
Blindness doesn't work either tart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence. Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of spirituality that I aspire to or seek.
[FairfieldLife] Cool link for Chrome browser
http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/ Gotta have Google Chrome browser for it to work, and you won't get the full effect if the address you plug in doesn't have both satellite and street view images.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
I am quite happy with my experiences of visiting Buddhist temples in India and Thailand, and the museums there with Buddhist art and religious objects. I passed so many exquisite statures of Buddha, he became alive to me. Inside of me and outside of me. More so, I was very happy with my experience of stumbling into the week long Kalichakra ceremony in Sarnarth when close to a million aspirants from from Tibet and Nepal descended on vast field for the week long ceremony. Watching, hearing, interacting and literally becoming one with* this crowd was a wonderful experience. I was touched by and awakened to many things by them. Some these pilgrims are the most gentle, kind, devoted people that I have ever had the good fortune to meet and see. And circling the stupas in Sarnarth at the place of Buddhas first teaching was quite special for me. Bicycling out in the country and visiting 10 Buddhist temples, some very simple and elegant in their starkness, around Chaing Mai was a great day in my life. As was seeing some half constructed new monuments -- where a 200-300 foot of stone had a half carved Buddha at the top, as if emerging from a cave of rock. Exquisite visual metaphor. And the many young Buddhist monks in Thailand are a healing sight for poor and weary western eyes. I love that there a culture, even in this modern age, that encourages ALL of the young to take 1-3 years of monastic life -- before entering into their worldly professions (or continuing as monks.) And jack Keroeuc' s Dharma Bums is a classic IMO -- a western beatish life interpretation and adaptation of living the Dharma. And the sandpainting ceremony has become a powerful and elegant metaphor in my life. While I know little of Buddhist practices or organizations, when I pick up a book or scan an article, I am amazed and thrilled by the depth and subtlety of experience expressed. And expressions so unique and fresh relative to my background. Descending from the heights of Darjerling -- in a cab with bald tires passing Buddhist temples alive with colors and flags on a windy day, perched on steep moutain sides just below the mountain slope tea plantations was breath taking -- or breath fulling. The few short interviews that i have seen from DL have given me insights not present before. As much as anything, the 4-5 Tibetian Buddhist equisitly detailed and beautiful mandalas and paintings of Tibetian gods and godesses that I have are daily reminders of the hugely rich and varied culture that Buddhism has enlivened. And MMY -- someone I understand that you respect -- was a large admirer of Buddha -- as I experienced in my slices of time with him. A fully western colleague of japanese descent died suddenly -- and I attended his funeral. It was a Buddhist service and was wonderful. The chanting monks were to me, the same as the chanting hindu pundits that I have had the honor to hear on three continents. And the incense, art, and ceremony were signs of a deeply integrated culture. So yes, Buddha and Buddhism has touched my life in elegant, wonderful and mystical ways -- though I have hardly touched the surface and am hardly a Buddhist, nor learned in Buddhist ways or methods. I love all world cultures and the seeds, branches, sometimes only faint smells, of infinity running through them. What has been your experiences with Buddha, Buddhism, and Buddhist cultures? *in line to see the sand painting, the crowd became one, no one could move by thier own volition, one just had to go with the flow. While getting crushed was a possibility (and not something I anticipated when stepping into the line) it was a wonderful and humbling experience.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Blindness doesn't work either tart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among the Truthers Rebuttal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Nothing wrong with the conjunction to turn it into one sentence. I don't think it is that hard to understand. Compound sentences are fine, but you should put a comma (or a semicolon) between them (in this case, after fact of life). Speaking of conspiracies, have you heard that Alex Jones agrees with Jerome Corsi that Donald Trump is secretly working with the White House to discredit Republicans? Corsi believes he has irrefutable documentation for his book Where's the Birth Certificate that alleges Obama was born in Kenya but IMO his allegation that Trump helped Obama is nothing more than unsupported rumor-mongering. Jonathan Kay would call Corsi a conspiracy crank, because Corsi, does in fact have a long history of promoting conspiracies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi It's easy to dismiss Corsi with the label crank as Kay would have us do, but name calling should not be used to dissuade us from making an honest inquiry to either prove or disprove what a crank has to say. What if it turns out that 911 was an inside job hatched by Neo-cons to pass the Patriot Act and you woke up in prison one day because you broke a secret law? Sen. Ron Wyden offered amendments to re-authorization of the Patriot Act that would ban any Administration's ability to keep a secret law or internal interpretation of the Patriot Act classified but it failed, so now you're in jail and you don't know why. I suppose it wouldn't have mattered whether you believed 911 Truthers or not, it's the same jail, Truther or not. It's pains me to say it, but nowadays, I am more willing to trust a Truther dishing bullshit for a buck than my government lusting for power, conquest and empire. http://wyden.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=34eddcdb-2541-42f5-8f1d-19234030d91e http://tinyurl.com/3rdbwam The Patriot Act, a parasitic Rosemary's Baby, was illicitly conceived by Neo-cons prior to 911 and delivered for GWB's signature October 26, 2001. Nurtured with blood and treasure, the Patriot Act has grown powerful enough to destroy all civil liberties, squash dissent, punish with secret laws, and impoverish our nation with endless war. Thanks to the stroke of a mechanical pen and an absent President, your get out of jail free card has been revoked. http://polidics.com/cia/how-to-scare-the-shit-out-of-america-and-make-them-do-anything.html#comments http://tinyurl.com/dj27n4 Corsi's Swift Boating of John Kerry was painful to watch, mostly because Kerry is a Pussy.
[FairfieldLife] Jim Crow Laws Lead to National Socialism
If it says so in the Wikipedie, it's got to be true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws Influence on National Socialism Jim Crow laws were in many ways a model for the Nuremberg Lawshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws, German legislation against Jews, which the Congress of the Nazi Partyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Partymet to pass in 1935. [24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws#cite_note-23 *24 ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws#cite_ref-23* *The Nuremberg Laws* by Ben S. Austinhttp://www.mtsu.edu/%7Ebaustin/nurmberg.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: And that goes the same for you Judy. You have been unfairly cast as a TB who can't think thoughtfully about Maharishi's system without defensively protecting it. So it is equally unhelpful in my Kumbaya vision for Vaj to see you as a person not capable of understanding and appreciating what his POV is. I would gladly read an exchange entered into with mutual respect and the old agree to disagree vibe that characterizes some of the most interesting exchanges on FFL. This is what I've suspected all along. Curtis is a plant, put in close proximity to the seat of US power to put out vibes of tolerance and balance. We see some of it here, but it's no mistake where he's practicing his craft. (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Those that do act that way give a clear sign that they either making it all up and/or hiding their virulent aggression from their teachers, if they have any teachers. In fact most people that hide their behavior in this manner do not really have a Buddhist spiritual mentor/guru. They go to a few courses and then declare themselves Buddhist yogis. Webinar disciples often do this. I even know a guy who went to one of the Dalai Lama's U.S. public Kalachakra initiations (abhisheka-s) and then started calling the Dalai Lama his guru. What a joke that was. He caught on after a while and stopped saying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: In Vaj's case, he is obviously depressed and in denial about Tibet being fucked up, so he blames MMY for everything wrong in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
What has been your experiences with Buddha, Buddhism, and Buddhist cultures? Mostly positive and lots of exposure, in Borobudur, Bali, Hong Kong and here. I can go into more detail with you privately, but I am not here to try to prove my open mindedness re Buddhist stuff. In any case, this isn't about Buddhism vs. TM. This is about a confused, emotionally stunted person on here (Vaj), who has a great deal invested in Buddhism, especially the Tibetan variety, who has watched the Dalai Lama help to destroy Tibet. Instead of admitting such a gross failure, Vaj has decided that he wants to blame Maharishi for everything wrong, and try to tear down the positive experiences of those who practice TM. It is unconscionable and misguided, and I enjoy pointing out the distraction lil' Vaj is creating to avoid owning up to following the Dalai Lama, currently the world's greatest spiritual failure. The other man child who indulges in this distraction is Bozotronic Barry, not for the same reasons as Vaj, but the dynamic is the same; doesn't own his shit.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: I am quite happy with my experiences of visiting Buddhist temples in India and Thailand, and the museums there with Buddhist art and religious objects. I passed so many exquisite statures of Buddha, he became alive to me. Inside of me and outside of me. More so, I was very happy with my experience of stumbling into the week long Kalichakra ceremony in Sarnarth when close to a million aspirants from from Tibet and Nepal descended on vast field for the week long ceremony. Watching, hearing, interacting and literally becoming one with* this crowd was a wonderful experience. I was touched by and awakened to many things by them. Some these pilgrims are the most gentle, kind, devoted people that I have ever had the good fortune to meet and see. And circling the stupas in Sarnarth at the place of Buddhas first teaching was quite special for me. Bicycling out in the country and visiting 10 Buddhist temples, some very simple and elegant in their starkness, around Chaing Mai was a great day in my life. As was seeing some half constructed new monuments -- where a 200-300 foot of stone had a half carved Buddha at the top, as if emerging from a cave of rock. Exquisite visual metaphor. And the many young Buddhist monks in Thailand are a healing sight for poor and weary western eyes. I love that there a culture, even in this modern age, that encourages ALL of the young to take 1-3 years of monastic life -- before entering into their worldly professions (or continuing as monks.) And jack Keroeuc' s Dharma Bums is a classic IMO -- a western beatish life interpretation and adaptation of living the Dharma. And the sandpainting ceremony has become a powerful and elegant metaphor in my life. While I know little of Buddhist practices or organizations, when I pick up a book or scan an article, I am amazed and thrilled by the depth and subtlety of experience expressed. And expressions so unique and fresh relative to my background. Descending from the heights of Darjerling -- in a cab with bald tires passing Buddhist temples alive with colors and flags on a windy day, perched on steep moutain sides just below the mountain slope tea plantations was breath taking -- or breath fulling. The few short interviews that i have seen from DL have given me insights not present before. As much as anything, the 4-5 Tibetian Buddhist equisitly detailed and beautiful mandalas and paintings of Tibetian gods and godesses that I have are daily reminders of the hugely rich and varied culture that Buddhism has enlivened. And MMY -- someone I understand that you respect -- was a large admirer of Buddha -- as I experienced in my slices of time with him. A fully western colleague of japanese descent died suddenly -- and I attended his funeral. It was a Buddhist service and was wonderful. The chanting monks were to me, the same as the chanting hindu pundits that I have had the honor to hear on three continents. And the incense, art, and ceremony were signs of a deeply integrated culture. So yes, Buddha and Buddhism has touched my life in elegant, wonderful and mystical ways -- though I have hardly touched the surface and am hardly a Buddhist, nor learned in Buddhist ways or methods. I love all world cultures and the seeds, branches, sometimes only faint smells, of infinity running through them. What has been your experiences with Buddha, Buddhism, and Buddhist cultures? *in line to see the sand painting, the crowd became one, no one could move by thier own volition, one just had to go with the flow. While getting crushed was a possibility (and not something I anticipated when stepping into the line) it was a wonderful and humbling experience.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
Good point about true Buddhists emptybill. PS Jed McKenna (or whatever his real name is) in one of his books writes about sixty year olds who are ten years old or so emotionally. There are two of them here on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Those that do act that way give a clear sign that they either making it all up and/or hiding their virulent aggression from their teachers, if they have any teachers. In fact most people that hide their behavior in this manner do not really have a Buddhist spiritual mentor/guru. They go to a few courses and then declare themselves Buddhist yogis. Webinar disciples often do this. I even know a guy who went to one of the Dalai Lama's U.S. public Kalachakra initiations (abhisheka-s) and then started calling the Dalai Lama his guru. What a joke that was. He caught on after a while and stopped saying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: In Vaj's case, he is obviously depressed and in denial about Tibet being fucked up, so he blames MMY for everything wrong in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence.
[FairfieldLife] R.I.P Gil Scott-Heron
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Scott-Heron
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From Raja John Konhaus today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: I am glad to hear that you two are getting on well. My comment is more directed to the kind of exchange that I've seen over the years on FFL. If I do protest too much, I apologize. I just wanted to get my two cents in for civility. But if civility is the new normal here on FFL, I'm as happy as a clam. Oh, I wouldn't go that far. But the old one you quoted was really pretty exceptional in its grossitude; I think Joe would be embarrassed to be reminded of it. If you want to go on a civility crusade, there are plenty of recent examples to denounce. Digging up oldies is never a very effective way to affect current trends. In any case, rotsa ruck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Gee, Dan, the post you quote is from way back in 2006. Joe (geezerfreak) and I are on good terms these days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj#146;s attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What has been your experiences with Buddha, Buddhism, and Buddhist cultures? Mostly positive and lots of exposure, in Borobudur, Bali, Hong Kong and here. I can go into more detail with you privately, but I am not here to try to prove my open mindedness re Buddhist stuff. Good. I misunderstood the point of our question. Given the context of your question, i thought you were chastising me to not be blind to the evils of Buddhism. And thus my response, Not my experience. (though I had never collected my thoughts about Buddhism before so the exercise was productive and left a sublime sustained aftertaste. In any case, this isn't about Buddhism vs. TM. This is about a confused, emotionally stunted person on here (Vaj), My take is a lot more along the lines of Curtis'. I hardly think Vaj is perfect, as i hardly think I am -- so right off the start he and I have some commonality. I find him a useful resource on a number of things. Not the definitive word, but someone who introduces concepts, frameworks and sources that I later explore and make up my own mind about. He has some quirks and a given schtich -- some of which I pass over. No value to me, but it may be for someone -- who am I to judge. who has a great deal invested in Buddhism, especially the Tibetan variety, Which is wonderful stuff IMO. who has watched the Dalai Lama help to destroy Tibet. How has he done this? By not violently resisting the Chinese? Instead of admitting such a gross failure, Vaj has decided that he wants to blame Maharishi for everything wrong, and try to tear down the positive experiences of those who practice TM. Seems like there is quite a stretch in your motivational analysis -- and it has little practical value to me. But if useful to you, and does no harm to others, go for it. It is unconscionable and misguided, and I enjoy pointing out Why is that? Seems an odd pastime to me. So MUCH more productive, entertaining and helpful pastimes. (Ha, listening to jewel who has popped up on my random play In the end, only kindness matters. (She sounds so great on good speakers at high volume.) the distraction lil' Vaj is creating to avoid owning up to following the Dalai Lama, I did not know he was student of DL. I thought he had several mentors including Repoche this and that. And simply read and quoted a little DL. So that GREAT if he is one of DL's adepts. Perhaps i can have him introduce me someday. I met him in Sarnarth along with one million Tibetians and Nepalese -- I would not have it any other way. But a personal meeting would be sublime. currently the world's greatest spiritual failure. If he is for you, great. I hope his failure serves as inspiration for your own path. To me he is just God, just a slob like one of us, trying to find his way home. While a great song line -- I do find it one of life's most astonishing and holy ventures to actually, really, see God behind the mask of everyone we meet. Some such visions are challenging, but ultimately rewarding, i find. The other man child thats a good thing right? The experience and wisdom of a man (of some years, ha) and the heart and mindset (as in fluid, flexible and creative) of youth. Like George Strait sings, I feel like I'm 25 .. most of the time. (And that song has some amazing almost vedantic wisdom in it and nicely said.) who indulges in this distraction is Bozotronic Barry, I hope that is a moniker that helps you see the best in Turq -- God in another form, just a slob like the rest of us, trying to find his way home. not for the same reasons as Vaj, but the dynamic is the same; doesn't own his shit.:-) Great line. Gives me the image of you meticulously maintaining a shit museum -- owning every single piece from your life, making a shrine of each terd. Me, I like to abandon shit as soon as it happens -- but thats me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am quite happy with my experiences of visiting Buddhist temples in India and Thailand, and the museums there with Buddhist art and religious objects. I passed so many exquisite statures of Buddha, he became alive to me. Inside of me and outside of me. More so, I was very happy with my experience of stumbling into the week long Kalichakra ceremony in Sarnarth when close to a million aspirants from from Tibet and Nepal descended on vast field for the week long ceremony. Watching, hearing, interacting and literally becoming one with* this crowd was a wonderful experience. I was touched by and awakened to many things by them. Some these pilgrims are the most gentle, kind, devoted people that I have ever had the good fortune to meet and see. And circling the stupas in Sarnarth at the place of Buddhas first teaching was quite special for me. Bicycling out in the country and visiting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Good point about true Buddhists emptybill. PS Jed McKenna (or whatever his real name is) in one of his books writes about sixty year olds who are ten years old or so emotionally. There are two of them here on FFL. Ah to be ten again!! What a wonderful sidhi those two must have perfected. I am in awe of their attainments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Those that do act that way give a clear sign that they either making it all up and/or hiding their virulent aggression from their teachers, if they have any teachers. In fact most people that hide their behavior in this manner do not really have a Buddhist spiritual mentor/guru. They go to a few courses and then declare themselves Buddhist yogis. Webinar disciples often do this. I even know a guy who went to one of the Dalai Lama's U.S. public Kalachakra initiations (abhisheka-s) and then started calling the Dalai Lama his guru. What a joke that was. He caught on after a while and stopped saying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: In Vaj's case, he is obviously depressed and in denial about Tibet being fucked up, so he blames MMY for everything wrong in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a coincidence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
On May 28, 2011, at 11:44 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I'm pretty sure we have heard his opinion on this. He believes that Maharishi corrupted it and that TMers are incorrect to believe that he reformed it. He may also believe that except for a few special people, the tradition itself had gone into some disrepair. He does seem to believe that there are people capable of passing on the correct information in the right way, and that he has met some of them. (Feel free to jump in at any time Vaj considering this is your head we are autopsying! I just happened to read this. Understand I don't read all of the posts here, I read who I want, as I have time or interest. Just because I do not respond to an email does not mean I'm avoiding, or hiding or some other imagined reason. I have a life. Yes, I already have very clearly talked about this before. In mostly non-commercial constructs, mantra shastra is alive and well. TM is not one of them. But that is an interesting hodge-podge and may suit some. Some prefer McDonalds drive-thrus and others prefer gourmet meals. Two, what does not make sense is why Vaj misrepresents, in very specific and documentable ways, the basic instructions for practicing TM when he claims to have been a TM teacher. It's not just a matter of not using TM lingo, it's misrepresentation of the mechanics. (Extensive documentation on request.) I believe you here in terms of your perspective, but since I have gotten in to this snare myself from time to time I see it differently. When you have been out of TM for a long time and have applied other points of view to the teaching, you come up with your own understanding that can be really different from the TM one. And it makes little sense to go back and parrot a POV you have long since rejected. Especially since he has studied systems with excruciating details of mental states, it seems likely that he would view our TM practice in a very different way. He might have his own take on all sorts of details of what we do. It's not fair to call it excruciatingly detailed when it's really rather simple. You can parse it as complex or you can parse it simply. Crappy example but its what I can come up with now. Lets say that there was some kind of practice that actually WAS more effortless than TM. In comparison the practice of TM might seem contrived and having a quality of effort that was objectionable to a practitioner of this system. They might commit the ultimate blasphemous phrase that TM requires effort and their practice does not. If it really was their experience, then it would be true for them, but it would seem like he had no understanding of TM wouldn't it? I think some of this is going on in how Vaj describes TM, which in his mind, is a superficial version of the high octane one he is into. This whole reality of the over dogmatization and lack of understanding of effort and effortlessness in TM - and how it is understood in mantra meditation (and meditation in general) - is indeed one of the problems (insufficient knowledge and understanding) with TM indoctrination. It's actually not a subject up for debate or dissension, as the tradition of meditation TM comes from defines these distinctions quite plainly and clearly. Neither of these smacks of intellectual honesty. How can a sincere comparison between teachings be made when one of them is consistently and willfully shortchanged? I sense his implied condescension concerning TM practice since he believes he is doing something much deeper and better. I recognize a full mantra tradition and I recognize what TM is. One has had repeatable, replicated results for centuries, the other provides well known and well understood relaxation effects for about 50 years. One addresses the whole person, beyond just a mental continuum, the other addresses mentation and the relative disappearance of mentation. I am still not sure I can see motive for your intellectual honesty angle. And there is none. Judy is a chronic liar. She often throws red herrings and twists and misrepresents what people say. Why she's so chronically dishonest, while still imagining herself to be some savior of honesty is beyond me. That's a question for mental health professionals. He has said that he enjoyed the benefits of TM until he found something which he feels is better. So he acknowledges that TM does the stuff I enjoy from my practice. But then he claims that there are practices that lead you to sit in a state of no thought for days at a time. Personally I would rather sprinkle thumb tacks on my Cheerios and eat them than sit in any state for more than say an hour. But from his POV, if you accept the premise that this is valuable, then it is also really clear that TM doesn't deliver that. (Or hasn't to me, which suite me just fine.) So I'm not sure he is shortchanging it as much as he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj#146;s attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: snip It is unconscionable and misguided, and I enjoy pointing out Why is that? Seems an odd pastime to me. So MUCH more productive, entertaining and helpful pastimes. Like pointing out how you perceive others to be failing to see God behind the mask of everyone they meet?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
On May 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, emptybill wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Actually HHDL has made it very clear phonies and gurus who molest their students should be exposed for who and what they are publicly. It's a form of wrathful compassion, which is not well understood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Curtis-- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip And there is none. Judy is a chronic liar. She often throws red herrings and twists and misrepresents what people say. Why she's so chronically dishonest, while still imagining herself to be some savior of honesty is beyond me. --do you perceive me to be chronically dishonest?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
On May 28, 2011, at 2:56 PM, emptybill wrote: People? You mean actual Vedic pandits like SSRS just imagine it? Never met him, so no I didn't mean SSRS (who long ago dropped Mahesh off of his website as one of his gurus). Smart move, I thought. Gosh, and all this time he was just giving me baby food for Anglos. Webinars don't count. Who were your gurus? Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Forget a few public abhishekas. What tantric training do you proclaim? I don't make public proclamations nor lists of initiations, as is popular with some. It's really none of your business. The real question is why are you so interested in me, rather than worrying about yourself?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Because he sees his infinite Self in you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 2:56 PM, emptybill wrote: People? You mean actual Vedic pandits like SSRS just imagine it? Never met him, so no I didn't mean SSRS (who long ago dropped Mahesh off of his website as one of his gurus). Smart move, I thought. Gosh, and all this time he was just giving me baby food for Anglos. Webinars don't count. Who were your gurus? Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Forget a few public abhishekas. What tantric training do you proclaim? I don't make public proclamations nor lists of initiations, as is popular with some. It's really none of your business. The real question is why are you so interested in me, rather than worrying about yourself?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj#146;s attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
hey tart, are you a Gemini? reason I ask is that I also can easily see both sides of an issue. Anyway, I appreciate your comments. I stand by my assertion though that both of these immature fools use their anger towards Maharishi as a distraction for issues they would rather not face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: What has been your experiences with Buddha, Buddhism, and Buddhist cultures? Mostly positive and lots of exposure, in Borobudur, Bali, Hong Kong and here. I can go into more detail with you privately, but I am not here to try to prove my open mindedness re Buddhist stuff. Good. I misunderstood the point of our question. Given the context of your question, i thought you were chastising me to not be blind to the evils of Buddhism. And thus my response, Not my experience. (though I had never collected my thoughts about Buddhism before so the exercise was productive and left a sublime sustained aftertaste. In any case, this isn't about Buddhism vs. TM. This is about a confused, emotionally stunted person on here (Vaj), My take is a lot more along the lines of Curtis'. I hardly think Vaj is perfect, as i hardly think I am -- so right off the start he and I have some commonality. I find him a useful resource on a number of things. Not the definitive word, but someone who introduces concepts, frameworks and sources that I later explore and make up my own mind about. He has some quirks and a given schtich -- some of which I pass over. No value to me, but it may be for someone -- who am I to judge. who has a great deal invested in Buddhism, especially the Tibetan variety, Which is wonderful stuff IMO. who has watched the Dalai Lama help to destroy Tibet. How has he done this? By not violently resisting the Chinese? Instead of admitting such a gross failure, Vaj has decided that he wants to blame Maharishi for everything wrong, and try to tear down the positive experiences of those who practice TM. Seems like there is quite a stretch in your motivational analysis -- and it has little practical value to me. But if useful to you, and does no harm to others, go for it. It is unconscionable and misguided, and I enjoy pointing out Why is that? Seems an odd pastime to me. So MUCH more productive, entertaining and helpful pastimes. (Ha, listening to jewel who has popped up on my random play In the end, only kindness matters. (She sounds so great on good speakers at high volume.) the distraction lil' Vaj is creating to avoid owning up to following the Dalai Lama, I did not know he was student of DL. I thought he had several mentors including Repoche this and that. And simply read and quoted a little DL. So that GREAT if he is one of DL's adepts. Perhaps i can have him introduce me someday. I met him in Sarnarth along with one million Tibetians and Nepalese -- I would not have it any other way. But a personal meeting would be sublime. currently the world's greatest spiritual failure. If he is for you, great. I hope his failure serves as inspiration for your own path. To me he is just God, just a slob like one of us, trying to find his way home. While a great song line -- I do find it one of life's most astonishing and holy ventures to actually, really, see God behind the mask of everyone we meet. Some such visions are challenging, but ultimately rewarding, i find. The other man child thats a good thing right? The experience and wisdom of a man (of some years, ha) and the heart and mindset (as in fluid, flexible and creative) of youth. Like George Strait sings, I feel like I'm 25 .. most of the time. (And that song has some amazing almost vedantic wisdom in it and nicely said.) who indulges in this distraction is Bozotronic Barry, I hope that is a moniker that helps you see the best in Turq -- God in another form, just a slob like the rest of us, trying to find his way home. not for the same reasons as Vaj, but the dynamic is the same; doesn't own his shit.:-) Great line. Gives me the image of you meticulously maintaining a shit museum -- owning every single piece from your life, making a shrine of each terd. Me, I like to abandon shit as soon as it happens -- but thats me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am quite happy with my experiences of visiting Buddhist temples in India and Thailand, and the museums there with Buddhist art and religious objects. I passed so many exquisite statures of Buddha, he became alive to me. Inside of me and outside of me. More so, I was very happy with my experience of stumbling into the week long Kalichakra ceremony in Sarnarth when close to a million aspirants from from Tibet and Nepal descended on vast field for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet and you AND he are unable to face this. Maharishi is gone, but His Helplessness the Dalai Lama continues to bring misery and destruction on the people of Tibet. Face it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, emptybill wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Actually HHDL has made it very clear phonies and gurus who molest their students should be exposed for who and what they are publicly. It's a form of wrathful compassion, which is not well understood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: R.I.P Gil Scott-Heron
The revolution will not be televised. Instead, it will be recorded with
cellphones and uploaded to YouTube.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Scott-Heron
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
No, not ten again tart, ten *perpetually*; immature, clueless, mean and irresponsible. In other words, fools who have never progressed emotionally beyond the depth of a ten year old. Now that I have clarified this, do you continue to be in awe of Vaj and Bozotronic Barry?:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Good point about true Buddhists emptybill. PS Jed McKenna (or whatever his real name is) in one of his books writes about sixty year olds who are ten years old or so emotionally. There are two of them here on FFL. Ah to be ten again!! What a wonderful sidhi those two must have perfected. I am in awe of their attainments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Those that do act that way give a clear sign that they either making it all up and/or hiding their virulent aggression from their teachers, if they have any teachers. In fact most people that hide their behavior in this manner do not really have a Buddhist spiritual mentor/guru. They go to a few courses and then declare themselves Buddhist yogis. Webinar disciples often do this. I even know a guy who went to one of the Dalai Lama's U.S. public Kalachakra initiations (abhisheka-s) and then started calling the Dalai Lama his guru. What a joke that was. He caught on after a while and stopped saying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: In Vaj's case, he is obviously depressed and in denial about Tibet being fucked up, so he blames MMY for everything wrong in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room. OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted. On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned, and slaughtered, on the pretext of fighting for a free Tibet (from a distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region. From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson (Nation Books ISBN1568586019): Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure but with a tragic dimension he captures worldwide fame and brings Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule. It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead on how TM doesn't work and Maharishi charges too much for meditation, he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet. Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration on on MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket! Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA MR. NICE GUY. Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV. That's an interesting analysis. Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Who are you trying to kid? You have proclaimed all sorts esoterica here. Except your implied training and your sources. That means they lack credibility. Aren't you ashamed of putting all these people on? Students of gurus/lamas/mentors praise their teachers. You only praise those who don't know you, like Alan Wallace. Pony up. What are you trying to hide? Answer the obvious questions. You might finally have some credibility. Webinars don't count for anything. Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Who are your gurus? Do you really have any? Forget public McAbhisheka-s. What tantric training do you regularly practice? What Dzogchenpa has taken you into his mandala? What Dzogchenpa has given trekchö and/or tögal instructions directly to you in person? Where is your dzogchen protector? Afraid of one? They don't like duplicity in practitioners! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 2:56 PM, emptybill wrote: People? You mean actual Vedic pandits like SSRS just imagine it? Never met him, so no I didn't mean SSRS (who long ago dropped Mahesh off of his website as one of his gurus). Smart move, I thought. Gosh, and all this time he was just giving me baby food for Anglos. Webinars don't count. Who were your gurus? Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Forget a few public abhishekas. What tantric training do you proclaim? I don't make public proclamations nor lists of initiations, as is popular with some. It's really none of your business. The real question is why are you so interested in me, rather than worrying about yourself?
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Religions are False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote regarding some comments by Xenophaneros Anartaxius: It's not clear to me if you're including the instructions for practicing TM among the ins and outs of spiritual progress. The latitude for using one's own manner of expression to describe the instructions is considerably less than for describing one's spiritual progress. To say, for instance, that in practicing TM one is instructed to make an effort to block thoughts from arising would be patently factually inaccurate. Like[w]ise 'Waiting for the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM, which is something Vaj has actually said. And given his attempt to refute the corrections he received after making this statement, it's clear that it wasn't a function of some different, more exalted perspective on the ins and outs of sp[iri]tual progress. I was referring to the general mode of speaking, vocabulary, concepts, rather than specific instructions for the practice of meditation. So to develop a natural mode of expression consonant with what is left of a personality requires leaving. Maybe there is no point to any of this. Leaving what? The TMO? Leaving the TMO The personality? confused People have a personality after enlightenment, even though long practice and the passage of time may leave a person with a personality that is not as abrasive as it was. If you are confused by what I wrote, then perhaps I was confused in my presentation of it. This particular post I wrote seems a bit rambling. It is the Memorial Day weekend in the U.S.; though that is not an excuse for unclear thinking, I seem a bit more unfocused these past few days. We recall that Buddha said he attained nothing from supreme enlightenment. A statement with many levels of meaning, some of which most likely depend on one's state of consciousness. I think this statement is literally meant. Nothing new under the sun. Reality has always been there, and experiencing it clearly for the first time does not mean anything has really changed. It is a really straightforward declaration. At least from the viewpoint of one's own experience, there is one consciousness. Fragmentation of consciousness, which is the result of our intellectual processes creating the thought or thoughts that there are different states; because of identification with the thought, we mistake the thought for the reality and miss the experience that the thoughts, and all other experiences are within the one consciousness. So it seems like there are levels. But the levels are part of the dream before enlightenment. MMY stated once that as regards higher states of consciousness, they like putting up a building, and though the building is not complete, 'parts' of all the states are present even if the journey is not over. This brings up the subject of guideposts, or benchmarks. Different traditions have various sign posts that mark off spiritual progress. Some traditions give more detail than others, and some, like Zen, seem to want to jump directly from ignorance to enlightenment in a single bound. The one presented by MMY and the TMO seems biased toward devotional paths (even though this is denied), so the question that arises here, is there a consistent set of markers for spiritual development that can work across multiple traditions, and across different paths that emphasize different aspects of experience, such as devotion, or intellect, and, even as MMY mentioned, the mechanical path? If one compares Zen with the writings of St. John of the Cross, to the TMO, to the Sufi traditions, to Tao traditions, it is sometimes hard to line up descriptions of progress; and this presupposes that each of these traditions will somehow lead to the same uniform result, enlightenment. So, for those in the grips of other spiritual traditions, what can we suppose will be gained if enlightenment happens along those paths? Is this intended to relate to your question about Vaj above? If so, I'm missing the connection. And I was probably foggy in presenting this. This relates to the quote from or attributed to Buddha. If enlightenment brings nothing in the Buddhist tradition, and that enlightenment is really enlightenment, the one we all have a hankering for, and these other traditions also lead to enlightenment, we can expect that no one will gain anything from these other traditions as well, if they are successful in getting us to realize the nature of reality. I say this not to deny the value of treading a path, since it seems unavoidable for almost everyone who gets the idea of spiritual progress tacked into their brain, to seem to follow some kind of path to some kind of imagined result. But in light of the result, if the result is nothing, all traditions end as a void. If this is true, then how accurately should this end be described to those still on a path. There is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj#146;s attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
In jyotish I am Pisces, In western I am Aries. Nothing much really going on in Gemini in either. I do have a debilitated and combust Mercury in First, conjunct rahu and sun (though some have said the debilitation is actually a yoga because of this or that, which flips the debilitation and makes Mercury stronger). And its in house of Jupiter, ascendant which makes it stronger. And some say Mercury has that quality of seeing things from multiple angles. IF (IF!) there is anything to jyotish -- I view it as a map of karma, if anything -- it probably makes me a bit quirky (gee, have you noticed, ha). My bundle of prarabdha karma is what it is. A fun life trip as it unwinds. Here is some stuff on Jyotish Mercury. I am sure the Confirmation Bias Challenged among us (raise your hands, see almost everyone) will have a heyday in confirming what they see in me (debilititated vs in yoga Mercury). And Confirmation Bias is fascinating. I have noticed some will pull out the most vague or insignificant point in a large post and jump up and down excitedly See! See! I told you so. This person is JUST like I said he/she was. One out of 100 points is all they see. And highly prevalent in world. It can make the work place fascinating. --- According to Jyotish Shastaras, the planet Mercury is very disciplined and intelligent. Usually, Mercury behaves in a very mature manner. Many a times, it behaves like a very rational entity. Mercury by nature is artistic. It's nature is very receptive, and in most of the cases, cordial. Another interesting part is that it can be humorous, nervous, kind hearted and rational. Apart from that, Mercury is really an extrovert (vocal). By personality, Mercury is receptive and sociable. Not only it is analytical, but also professional in nature. It has a multi-faceted personality. Thus, this can easily adapt in any situation whatsoever. When Mercury is Strong Positive On can find a great influence of Budha (Mercury) on the native. Under the good influence of Mercury, the person becomes highly intelligent, and able to discharge any given assignment on the fixed time. Under the influence of Budha a person becomes punctual in approach, and ever attentive. More so, related to Mercury (Budha), a person also has the chance of receiving a higher education and the capability to take decisions on his own in a difficult situation. People favorably influenced by a strong Budha lead a highly intellectual life. Mercury also imparts rational thoughts to the native, the person may also become an expert in his or her field. Persons under the Effect of Mercury (Budha) enter into all kinds of fields from medicine to sports, from engineering to teaching. Thanks to Mercury's influence the person develops leadership qualities too. Once he makes a decision; he does that in a proper manner. If the Effect of Mercury is very strong in a person, he/she is able to have a strong persuasive quality. This is very beneficial in any kind of work. By nature, under the Effect of Mercury (Budha), he believes in the business culture. Furthermore, he can take decisions on the spot. Others do not easily influence him. People in the influence of Mercury are very literary minded by nature. He will carry their newness and innovation along with them wherever they go and surprise everybody with their sharp intellect. He may also try to solve the disputes of society, wherever he is living under Mercury's influence on the native. Besides, one can never see him moving around and wasting his time. When Mercury is weak and afflicted Under the influence of weak and afflicted Mercury, an individual also becomes negative. And the negative part of his personality becomes dominant. The person may be talkative in nature. He might be ill tempered, sarcastic and, in many cases, never completes his education. Further, a person born under the weak Effect of Mercury is not rational in his approach. He develops a lot of problems for himself and for society. He can become ungrateful and fraudulent. In many cases, the born person under weak Mercury becomes showy and non-reliable. Sometimes, you can find him intensely selfish. Jupiter-Favorably placed If Jupiter is placed favorably with respect to Mercury, it has many benefic influences on the person. He will be creative, committed, religious and mentally balanced. He will be highly educated and might be involved in research work. Thanks to the benefic effect of mercury, the person will also be optimistic and well behaved. A favorably placed Jupiter also makes the person contemplative, sincere and responsible towards society. Such persons are great assets to society. They are useful and rational, and do their part in the development of society. Having association with these people is a matter of pride. The positive effect of Mercury is greatly enhanced due to Jupiter. Such people work according to the needs of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? and you AND he are unable to face this. Maharishi is gone, but His Helplessness the Dalai Lama continues to bring misery and destruction on the people of Tibet. Face it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, emptybill wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Actually HHDL has made it very clear phonies and gurus who molest their students should be exposed for who and what they are publicly. It's a form of wrathful compassion, which is not well understood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
On May 28, 2011, at 6:27 PM, tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? It fell out of his pocket one day as he was giving a lecture. :) I'm surprised you don't know this, tart. I thought it was common knowledge. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
On May 28, 2011, at 6:07 PM, tartbrain wrote: Because he sees his infinite Self in you? LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
On May 28, 2011, at 7:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Who are you trying to kid? You have proclaimed all sorts esoterica here. Except your implied training and your sources. That means they lack credibility. Aren't you ashamed of putting all these people on? No, of course not, as I'm not. I do know this, your guru did not like it when another of his students did the kind of thing you are pulling, and he was expelled from the sangha. We made certain of that. Students of gurus/lamas/mentors praise their teachers. You only praise those who don't know you, like Alan Wallace. I don't cast pearls where they're not appreciated, nor do I advertise for gurus. Sorry, no exceptions. Pony up. What are you trying to hide? Answer the obvious questions. You might finally have some credibility. Webinars don't count for anything. Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Who are your gurus? Do you really have any? Forget public McAbhisheka-s. What tantric training do you regularly practice? I've been advised to concentrate on the dark retreat instructions I've received over the last 30 years, along with various upadesha practices, and the abhyantaravarga teachings. Not that it's really any of your business. Buh bye.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
On May 28, 2011, at 7:27 PM, tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? Yeah how? Did it involve kryptonite?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 6:27 PM, tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? It fell out of his pocket one day as he was giving a lecture. :) I'm surprised you don't know this, tart. I thought it was common knowledge. Sal I don't care who you are, THATs funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
How did he lose Tibet? Incompetence probably, and by running away. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? and you AND he are unable to face this. Maharishi is gone, but His Helplessness the Dalai Lama continues to bring misery and destruction on the people of Tibet. Face it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, emptybill wrote: What V - We are of Peace is not telling you is that almost all Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. While they will do an analysis of another tradition's tenets they leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called to do their own sadhana. They also are not called to consort themselves with mere soi-disants much less be one themselves. Actually HHDL has made it very clear phonies and gurus who molest their students should be exposed for who and what they are publicly. It's a form of wrathful compassion, which is not well understood.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
What duplicity you use. What a laughable response. Khachab stays at my house, idiot. I have his personal cell #. If I have a question or something to say I call him directly. Khachab wouldn't give you a moment of consideration, especially to a We made certain of that claim. What a fake you are. An utter bullshitter. Samaya means To give words of honor like a knight to his liege lord. You have no honor. I hope you complain, you fool. Khachab might inquire further. Maybe that way we could find out the truth about you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 7:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Who are you trying to kid? You have proclaimed all sorts esoterica here. Except your implied training and your sources. That means they lack credibility. Aren't you ashamed of putting all these people on? No, of course not, as I'm not. I do know this, your guru did not like it when another of his students did the kind of thing you are pulling, and he was expelled from the sangha. We made certain of that. Students of gurus/lamas/mentors praise their teachers. You only praise those who don't know you, like Alan Wallace. I don't cast pearls where they're not appreciated, nor do I advertise for gurus. Sorry, no exceptions. Pony up. What are you trying to hide? Answer the obvious questions. You might finally have some credibility. Webinars don't count for anything. Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Who are your gurus? Do you really have any? Forget public McAbhisheka-s. What tantric training do you regularly practice? I've been advised to concentrate on the dark retreat instructions I've received over the last 30 years, along with various upadesha practices, and the abhyantaravarga teachings. Not that it's really any of your business. Buh bye.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vajs attacks on MMY distract from the worlds biggest spiritual failure, the DL
Let's all have a big chuckle, Vaj, on the ~one million people in Tibet imprisoned, tortured and killed as a result of His Helplessness The Dalai Lama's incompetence, shall we? I am sure he finds it as funny...no, as *wrathfully compassionate* as you do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 7:27 PM, tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: wrathful compassion?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you. HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet How did he lose Tibet? Yeah how? Did it involve kryptonite?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I've been advised to concentrate on the dark retreat instructions I've received over the last 30 years, along with various upadesha practices, and the abhyantaravarga teachings. Not that it's really any of your business. See Jim, whats not to love. I have NO idea what the dark retreat instructions, the upadesha practices (well, I have an inkling what they are) and the abhyantaravarga teachings. (I would consider it a great boon if I could just pronounce that properly.) I am sure researching would be of value to me. I will probably do it. Maybe the methods are not my cup of tea. Still its GREAT IMO that such diversity of methods exist and are flourishing. Vaj in that little way is preserving traditions. He is not proceletizing.In fact, he has always been very reluctant to share details of such teachings and how to attain them. (May be a pearls before swine thing, which I GET, and take no offense.) And maybe Vaj is blowing smoke up his ass (is that an advanced prana technique or simply a hippy commune thing) or ours. So what. I love MMY travel agenda analogy for TM teachers. You don't have to have been there to book a flight to India for someone. Considering all possibilities, not a high one IMO, but maybe Vaj is blowing smoke. Still, by causing others to look into such methods, even if he has in no way mastered them - not relevant -- he provides a travel agent function. But then again, are methods necessary? (as in having to go to traditions and other teachers) A quirky questions I asked last night -- but a real one. My current methods are essentially self-conceived. Things that simply came to me. Jungle methods. They work for me. Home made. Much taster and nutritious than store bought stuff. So I am not super eager to find new methods. But I have interest -- if only from an art appreciation perspective.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
Thanks for continuing to reveal this fool for who he is, emptybill. I venture that the last time Vaj transcended was at birth - lol. He knows as much about TM and Maharishi as he does his foolish masquerade of wrathful compassion. What a fake. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: What duplicity you use. What a laughable response. Khachab stays at my house, idiot. I have his personal cell #. If I have a question or something to say I call him directly. Khachab wouldn't give you a moment of consideration, especially to a We made certain of that claim. What a fake you are. An utter bullshitter. Samaya means To give words of honor like a knight to his liege lord. You have no honor. I hope you complain, you fool. Khachab might inquire further. Maybe that way we could find out the truth about you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 7:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Who are you trying to kid? You have proclaimed all sorts esoterica here. Except your implied training and your sources. That means they lack credibility. Aren't you ashamed of putting all these people on? No, of course not, as I'm not. I do know this, your guru did not like it when another of his students did the kind of thing you are pulling, and he was expelled from the sangha. We made certain of that. Students of gurus/lamas/mentors praise their teachers. You only praise those who don't know you, like Alan Wallace. I don't cast pearls where they're not appreciated, nor do I advertise for gurus. Sorry, no exceptions. Pony up. What are you trying to hide? Answer the obvious questions. You might finally have some credibility. Webinars don't count for anything. Where did you learn TM? What TM courses were you ever on? Who are your gurus? Do you really have any? Forget public McAbhisheka-s. What tantric training do you regularly practice? I've been advised to concentrate on the dark retreat instructions I've received over the last 30 years, along with various upadesha practices, and the abhyantaravarga teachings. Not that it's really any of your business. Buh bye.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi
I have no issue with Vaj talking in his incoherent way about traditions he follows or meditations he does. If he even wants to worship the man on the moon that is his business. What I do object to is his attempt to castigate those on this forum simply because they find value in MMY's teaching and the practice of TM. He betrays himself as the arrogant idiot he is. I personally think that the dark retreats he refers to consist of no more than locking himself in the bathroom, turning off the lights, and hunkering down in a dry bathtub, hiding from his family.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I've been advised to concentrate on the dark retreat instructions I've received over the last 30 years, along with various upadesha practices, and the abhyantaravarga teachings. Not that it's really any of your business. See Jim, whats not to love. I have NO idea what the dark retreat instructions, the upadesha practices (well, I have an inkling what they are) and the abhyantaravarga teachings. (I would consider it a great boon if I could just pronounce that properly.) I am sure researching would be of value to me. I will probably do it. Maybe the methods are not my cup of tea. Still its GREAT IMO that such diversity of methods exist and are flourishing. Vaj in that little way is preserving traditions. He is not proceletizing.In fact, he has always been very reluctant to share details of such teachings and how to attain them. (May be a pearls before swine thing, which I GET, and take no offense.) And maybe Vaj is blowing smoke up his ass (is that an advanced prana technique or simply a hippy commune thing) or ours. So what. I love MMY travel agenda analogy for TM teachers. You don't have to have been there to book a flight to India for someone. Considering all possibilities, not a high one IMO, but maybe Vaj is blowing smoke. Still, by causing others to look into such methods, even if he has in no way mastered them - not relevant -- he provides a travel agent function. But then again, are methods necessary? (as in having to go to traditions and other teachers) A quirky questions I asked last night -- but a real one. My current methods are essentially self-conceived. Things that simply came to me. Jungle methods. They work for me. Home made. Much taster and nutritious than store bought stuff. So I am not super eager to find new methods. But I have interest -- if only from an art appreciation perspective.
