[FairfieldLife] Hmm... citta-vRtti and stambha-vRtti?

[cardemaister]

In 'yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH', 'citta-vRtti' seems
like a tatpuruSa compound, being itself a part of 
the larger tatpuruSa, like this:

(citta-vRtti)-nirodhaH: nirodha *of* the vRtti_s *of* citta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatpurusa

In the description of 'praaNaayaama', 'stambha-vRtti' feels
to us like a bahuvriihi:

baahyaabhyantara-*stambha-vRttir* desha-kaala-saMkhyaabhiH
paridRSTo diirgha-suukSmaH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahuvrihi

Taimni's translation:

(It is in) external, internal or suppressed modification; is
regulated by place, time and number, (and becomes progressively) 
prolonged and subtle.

Vocabulary:

(It is in) external (baahya), internal (aabhyantara) or suppressed (stambha) 
modification (vRttiH); is regulated (paridRSTaH) by place (desha), time (kaala) 
and number (saMkhyaabhiH; instrumental plural
from 'saMkhyaa', implied[?] also for 'desha' and 'kaala'), (and becomes 
progressively) prolonged (diirgha) and subtle (suukSmaH).

That seems to "prove" Bhojadeva's term 'stambha-ruupa', describing
the fourth praaNaayaama, "must" refer to the unnoticeable breathing
during "apneas" of Transcendental Meditation! Otherwise 'stambha-
ruupa' would be synonymous with 'stambha-vRtti', which is, we
believe, the third (tRtiiya) praaNaayaama!? :o

[FairfieldLife] Finnish swearing! :D

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwgloZ2MR0&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Movie review: "The Guard"

[turquoiseb]

As often happens for me with "small treasure" movies, I found my way to
this one by following an obscure lead. I've been an unabashed fan of
Brendan Gleeson since "Six Shooter" and "In Bruges," and put this film
on my Look For list some time ago after following a link on the IMDB.
All I knew about it was that Brendan Gleeson was in it, and that was
enough.

It remained enough for about the first ten minutes of the movie, and
then I had a suspicion, occasioned by the quality of the writing. I put
the movie on pause and looked it up on the IMDB, suspecting it might
have been by Martin McDonagh, writer-director of "In Bruges." Close.
It's written and directed by his brother, John Michael McDonagh. Talent
clearly runs in the family.

This is a really funny movie, in the way that only Irish films can be
funny. That is, black humor that is occasionally so dark that you are
almost ashamed to be laughing at it, but you just can't help yourself.
Also, the humor is quirky, and plays with conventions. For example, this
is essentially a "buddy cop" movie, with Gleeson playing back-country
Irish cop Gerry Boyle, and Don Cheadle playing uptight American FBI
agent Wendell Everett. Shown photos of the drug smugglers Everett is
after, Boyle's first comment on seeing four white faces is, "I thought
only black lads were drug dealers. Or Mexican." Informed by his
superiors and by Everett that his 'tude is racist, Boyle says, "I'm
Irish. Racism is part of my culture." So, however, is being honest,
which makes Boyle the only cop not on the take in the Galway area, and
that leads to him and Everett teaming up to take out the bad guys.

This is a good movie, and I recommend it without reservation. Brendan
Gleeson just walks away with this movie. I'm sure it's destined to
become a cult favorite in the buddy cop genre. It's like a Quentin
Tarantino movie, but with better dialogue. Ponder that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
<%20http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pk6s-PRUE

[FairfieldLife] No Excuses for avoiding liberation? Crucifixion Meditation

[Buck]

Yep, Crucification Meditation.  The CM program.   Thanks I'm on the twice-a-day 
crucification program.  Twice a day for 20 minutes each time. Hang out in the 
silence of the CM and it's like a suspension in time.  It's the big Being of 
suspension of time.  It's an ultimate in universal experience to hang like 
that.  Ultimate Christianity.  Crucifixion Meditation.   The results are 
cumulative and pretty soon you are just like Christ.  Just like the Same 
presence then and now.  In and out.  Amazing Grace how sweet it is.  *OMG*  

-Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> * * Yea, verily, Jim! There's nothing like a good crucifixion to bring us 
> back to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows. For 
> verily, verily, unless our inner Sun is eclipsed and the temple veil of our 
> egoic body is rent, spilling ourselves out once and for ever into All That 
> Is, how can we surrender wholly into the utter perfection of God? 
> 
> For it is written, no one shall see the face of God and live, and also, in 
> that One who personifies the crucifixion I die daily :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Rory! I can use a good crucifixion now and again. Keeps things on 
> > the up and up. Starting from scratch, so to speak, after hitting the nail 
> > on the head several times.:-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three 
> > > nails, albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a 
> > > savings of XXV per centum to the Empire.  Since you so clearly uphold the 
> > > greater good, you could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic 
> > > insurrectionist your detractors have claimed you to be. Enough 
> > > Pontificating -- I wash my hands of the entire affair, and declare you 
> > > now and forever a Free Man.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the IQ 
> > > > > > > > or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with the 
> > > > > > > > experts on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous 
> > > > > > > > thought - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > > > > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom 
> > > > > > > > on any level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this I 
> > > > > > > > am grateful, as I see myself as a bit of an energy vampire at 
> > > > > > > > this moment in my life, and I know that I really don't belong 
> > > > > > > > here amongst the shining stars of enlightened diction.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we really 
> > > > > > > don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the birds of 
> > > > > > > the sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has no place to 
> > > > > > > lay [Her] head." 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, forever 
> > > > > > > amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And so in apparently belonging nowhere, we really belong now 
> > > > > > > here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, for we are not of 
> > > > > > > them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing 
> > > > > > > but our childish thoughts, who nourished by our soma-milk, feed 
> > > > > > > vampire-like upon our love, and hang a-tremble on our softest 
> > > > > > > breath -- the beauty of our body and our blood.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MDMA and PTSD?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Could MDMA be by far the best treatment for PTSD?
> At least for some people?
>


Would it get in the way of transcendence?  At least for some people?

[FairfieldLife] Re: MDMA and PTSD?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Could MDMA be by far the best treatment for PTSD?
> > At least for some people?
> >
> 
> 
> Would it get in the way of transcendence?  At least for some people?
>

You know, that finest level of thinking?

[FairfieldLife] Re: MDMA and PTSD?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Could MDMA be by far the best treatment for PTSD?
> > > At least for some people?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Would it get in the way of transcendence?  At least for some people?
> >
> 
> You know, that finest level of thinking?
>

Like, sort of like that problem people who smoke pot have with meditating.

[FairfieldLife] Re: No Excuses for avoiding liberation? Crucifixion Meditation

[Buck]

"..nothing like a good crucifixion (meditation) to bring us back
to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows."

Yup, frankly the world would be a better place if at least 10 percent of its 
people would hang out in this, Christians too.  Even the science is showing 
this, regardless of faith.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, Crucification Meditation.  The CM program.   Thanks I'm on the 
> twice-a-day crucification program.  Twice a day for 20 minutes each time. 
> Hang out in the silence of the CM and it's like a suspension in time.  It's 
> the big Being of suspension of time.  It's an ultimate in universal 
> experience to hang like that.  Ultimate Christianity.  Crucifixion 
> Meditation.   The results are cumulative and pretty soon you are just like 
> Christ.  Just like the Same presence then and now.  In and out.  Amazing 
> Grace how sweet it is.  *OMG*  
> 
> -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > * * Yea, verily, Jim! There's nothing like a good crucifixion to bring us 
> > back to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows. For 
> > verily, verily, unless our inner Sun is eclipsed and the temple veil of our 
> > egoic body is rent, spilling ourselves out once and for ever into All That 
> > Is, how can we surrender wholly into the utter perfection of God? 
> > 
> > For it is written, no one shall see the face of God and live, and also, in 
> > that One who personifies the crucifixion I die daily :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Rory! I can use a good crucifixion now and again. Keeps things on 
> > > the up and up. Starting from scratch, so to speak, after hitting the nail 
> > > on the head several times.:-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three 
> > > > nails, albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a 
> > > > savings of XXV per centum to the Empire.  Since you so clearly uphold 
> > > > the greater good, you could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic 
> > > > insurrectionist your detractors have claimed you to be. Enough 
> > > > Pontificating -- I wash my hands of the entire affair, and declare you 
> > > > now and forever a Free Man.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the 
> > > > > > > > > IQ or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with 
> > > > > > > > > the experts on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous 
> > > > > > > > > thought - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > > > > > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom 
> > > > > > > > > on any level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this 
> > > > > > > > > I am grateful, as I see myself as a bit of an energy vampire 
> > > > > > > > > at this moment in my life, and I know that I really don't 
> > > > > > > > > belong here amongst the shining stars of enlightened diction.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we 
> > > > > > > > really don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the 
> > > > > > > > birds of the sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has 
> > > > > > > > no place to lay [Her] head." 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, 
> > > > > > > > forever amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And so in apparently belonging nowhere, we really belong now 
> > > > > > > > here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, for we are not of 
> > > > > > > > them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing 
> > > > > > > > but our childish thoughts, who nourished by ou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finnish swearing! :D

[merudanda]

http://tinyurl.com/3dop6oc

now close you eyes and takes as it comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwgloZ2MR0&feature=related
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: "The Guard"

[merudanda]

listen to these voices i couln't help myself [;)] ---forgive me
Peter Sellers: Complete Guide To Accents
http://tinyurl.com/3crkorq
http://tinyurl.com/3oeug6e
Peter Sellers doing Michael Caine
http://tinyurl.com/44o4uer
Peter Sellers doing German accent
http://tinyurl.com/3pqzhzw
When Sean Connery met Michael Caine
http://tinyurl.com/3zm8v8h
and especially  don't misse that one
Peter Sellers performing the Beatle's  "A Hard Day's Night" in the style
of Laurence Olivier's interpretation of Richard III.

http://tinyurl.com/3swknp8
  [:D]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As often happens for me with "small treasure" movies, I found my way
to
> this one by following an obscure lead. I've been an unabashed fan of
> Brendan Gleeson since "Six Shooter" and "In Bruges," and put this film
> on my Look For list some time ago after following a link on the IMDB.
> All I knew about it was that Brendan Gleeson was in it, and that was
> enough.
>
> It remained enough for about the first ten minutes of the movie, and
> then I had a suspicion, occasioned by the quality of the writing. I
put
> the movie on pause and looked it up on the IMDB, suspecting it might
> have been by Martin McDonagh, writer-director of "In Bruges." Close.
> It's written and directed by his brother, John Michael McDonagh.
Talent
> clearly runs in the family.
>
> This is a really funny movie, in the way that only Irish films can be
> funny. That is, black humor that is occasionally so dark that you are
> almost ashamed to be laughing at it, but you just can't help yourself.
> Also, the humor is quirky, and plays with conventions. For example,
this
> is essentially a "buddy cop" movie, with Gleeson playing back-country
> Irish cop Gerry Boyle, and Don Cheadle playing uptight American FBI
> agent Wendell Everett. Shown photos of the drug smugglers Everett is
> after, Boyle's first comment on seeing four white faces is, "I thought
> only black lads were drug dealers. Or Mexican." Informed by his
> superiors and by Everett that his 'tude is racist, Boyle says, "I'm
> Irish. Racism is part of my culture." So, however, is being honest,
> which makes Boyle the only cop not on the take in the Galway area, and
> that leads to him and Everett teaming up to take out the bad guys.
>
> This is a good movie, and I recommend it without reservation. Brendan
> Gleeson just walks away with this movie. I'm sure it's destined to
> become a cult favorite in the buddy cop genre. It's like a Quentin
> Tarantino movie, but with better dialogue. Ponder that.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
> <%20http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pk6s-PRUE
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Don't shoot the messenger!

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdxhZQlOO_0

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[RoryGoff]

* * Yes, Yes, and again Yes! 

"I am Love; You are Love; All This is Love; Love alone IS"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "J F"  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I always liked, "I die daily". Beautiful! What could be better than 
> surrendering every fear, anxiety, love and hope to God? Its like, "OK Big 
> Fella, do me right!", and He (Vishnu for the time being) always comes through 
> with at least a power of ten over expectations.:-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > * * Yea, verily, Jim! There's nothing like a good crucifixion to bring us 
> > back to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows. For 
> > verily, verily, unless our inner Sun is eclipsed and the temple veil of our 
> > egoic body is rent, spilling ourselves out once and for ever into All That 
> > Is, how can we surrender wholly into the utter perfection of God? 
> > 
> > For it is written, no one shall see the face of God and live, and also, in 
> > that One who personifies the crucifixion I die daily :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Rory! I can use a good crucifixion now and again. Keeps things on 
> > > the up and up. Starting from scratch, so to speak, after hitting the nail 
> > > on the head several times.:-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three 
> > > > nails, albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a 
> > > > savings of XXV per centum to the Empire.  Since you so clearly uphold 
> > > > the greater good, you could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic 
> > > > insurrectionist your detractors have claimed you to be. Enough 
> > > > Pontificating -- I wash my hands of the entire affair, and declare you 
> > > > now and forever a Free Man.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the 
> > > > > > > > > IQ or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with 
> > > > > > > > > the experts on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous 
> > > > > > > > > thought - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > > > > > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom 
> > > > > > > > > on any level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this 
> > > > > > > > > I am grateful, as I see myself as a bit of an energy vampire 
> > > > > > > > > at this moment in my life, and I know that I really don't 
> > > > > > > > > belong here amongst the shining stars of enlightened diction.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we 
> > > > > > > > really don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the 
> > > > > > > > birds of the sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has 
> > > > > > > > no place to lay [Her] head." 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, 
> > > > > > > > forever amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And so in apparently belonging nowhere, we really belong now 
> > > > > > > > here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, for we are not of 
> > > > > > > > them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing 
> > > > > > > > but our childish thoughts, who nourished by our soma-milk, feed 
> > > > > > > > vampire-like upon our love, and hang a-tremble on our softest 
> > > > > > > > breath -- the beauty of our body and our blood.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: No Excuses for avoiding liberation? Crucifixion Meditation

[RoryGoff]

Indeed, indeed it is so! Our Inner Sun/Son/Soul/Sol is our only intermediary 
between Mother Earth and Father Heaven, and unless that Son be crucified and 
eclipsed, Heaven and Earth cannot meet and intermingle. In the Crucified One, 
there is only One of Us!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, Crucification Meditation.  The CM program.   Thanks I'm on the 
> twice-a-day crucification program.  Twice a day for 20 minutes each time. 
> Hang out in the silence of the CM and it's like a suspension in time.  It's 
> the big Being of suspension of time.  It's an ultimate in universal 
> experience to hang like that.  Ultimate Christianity.  Crucifixion 
> Meditation.   The results are cumulative and pretty soon you are just like 
> Christ.  Just like the Same presence then and now.  In and out.  Amazing 
> Grace how sweet it is.  *OMG*  
> 
> -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > * * Yea, verily, Jim! There's nothing like a good crucifixion to bring us 
> > back to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows. For 
> > verily, verily, unless our inner Sun is eclipsed and the temple veil of our 
> > egoic body is rent, spilling ourselves out once and for ever into All That 
> > Is, how can we surrender wholly into the utter perfection of God? 
> > 
> > For it is written, no one shall see the face of God and live, and also, in 
> > that One who personifies the crucifixion I die daily :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Rory! I can use a good crucifixion now and again. Keeps things on 
> > > the up and up. Starting from scratch, so to speak, after hitting the nail 
> > > on the head several times.:-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three 
> > > > nails, albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a 
> > > > savings of XXV per centum to the Empire.  Since you so clearly uphold 
> > > > the greater good, you could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic 
> > > > insurrectionist your detractors have claimed you to be. Enough 
> > > > Pontificating -- I wash my hands of the entire affair, and declare you 
> > > > now and forever a Free Man.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the 
> > > > > > > > > IQ or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with 
> > > > > > > > > the experts on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous 
> > > > > > > > > thought - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > > > > > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom 
> > > > > > > > > on any level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this 
> > > > > > > > > I am grateful, as I see myself as a bit of an energy vampire 
> > > > > > > > > at this moment in my life, and I know that I really don't 
> > > > > > > > > belong here amongst the shining stars of enlightened diction.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we 
> > > > > > > > really don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the 
> > > > > > > > birds of the sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has 
> > > > > > > > no place to lay [Her] head." 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, 
> > > > > > > > forever amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And so in apparently belonging nowhere, we really belong now 
> > > > > > > > here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, for we are not of 
> > > > > > > > them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing 
> > > > > > > > but our childish thoughts, who nourished by our soma-milk, feed 
> > > > > > > > vampire-like upon o

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's internal state by 
external cues. I do not know what Barry's internal state is. I for one cannot 
figure him out, but I am not convinced that projecting my hypotheses as an 
explanation of his behaviour is really to any point. 

Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also projects her own 
emotional states onto others. I *think* that, but it is an hypothesis, because 
I do not *know* that. I also *think* she does not think that she projects her 
internal states onto the world. But that thought might not have any substance 
to it. There is always ambiguity because what people feel and think is not 
necessarily what they say, nor does their behaviour always indicate what is 
really going on in there. 

Because the mind fabricates stories to explain things, it is almost impossible 
to interact with the world in a way in which we do not project our internal 
states onto situations, people, things. For example you said 'I take offence'. 
What does that mean? To me, if that happens to me, that means that someone 
said, did something which in some measure creates an experience of upset, or 
displeasure, or something like that, which I feel 'inside'. But why did that 
happen? 

What would it be inside that results in that reaction? Normally I do not 'take 
offence' at what people say and do. Things happen. That is what happens. My 
internal reactions, if they are unpleasant, have to be dealt with, but 'taking 
offence' is just a posturing of the ego, it is a blind and unconscious reaction 
to something that happens in the world that does not fit in with the story our 
mind has created about the world. I know people that take offence at 
practically everything that goes on in the world. It is a peculiar reaction. 

Culture may have a lot to do with this internal programmed response, as some 
cultures seem to have numerous behaviour patterns that defend the ego, such as 
'saving face' in Japan. Perhaps this has evolved as a way to socially still 
anger, which seems to be the ego's last defence when it gets attacked by the 
world. Perhaps all of us have some kind of emotional damage that we are 
unconsciously suppressing or protecting.

As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some emotional issues, but really 
I am just making that up. If he has such issues, it is not up to me to fix 
them, that is his journey. This is why we are all pursuing enlightenment, to 
'fix' these issues that drag our lives down. And if there are those here who 
have experienced awakening, particularly not quite complete awakening, they 
clearly know what they are faced with.

Rather than try to analyse Barry, I tend to take what he says as a lesson. The 
wide world at large is the master. It does what it does. It provides situations 
we can take as lessons, or take them as attacks on our individual level of 
being. Barry is a part of the world as perceived from my point of view, so I 
can take what he says as a lesson or, depending on the content and stance of 
it, I can take it as something that strokes or attacks the ego, something that 
puffs up or cuts down the ego, which is a more unconscious reaction. But if I 
do not go down the lesson route, there will be no growth or deepening of 
experience; I will simply be basking in self-importance or reacting to an 
affront to my little, little self.

So from my perspective, I can take Barry as an aspect of guru, of a teacher. He 
is an aspect of reality. My task for myself is to deepen enlightenment and 
understanding. The enlightenment game is a peculiar kind of understanding 
because really there is nothing to understand, but the game goes on 
nonetheless. So if I have a choice, I can assign to Barry, or to you, or to 
Judy, or anyone, the aspect of guru and learn from the interaction. If I do not 
have a choice, it means I am blocked somehow, and that is something that needs 
looking into.

I have had some pleasant, short interactions with Barry, and some rather rough 
ones. I have had similar encounters with Judy. The goal, if I wish to imagine 
one, is that all these interactions are like a line drawn in empty space. One 
enjoys but does not react due to internal disharmony in one's own life and 
being.

One thing is clear, we do not win by always being right or being in the right.

We two, for example, disagree on the value of astrology. That may be because I 
grew up with a rather intense interest in astronomy and science, and to me 
astrology makes no sense at all. For others it seems it is something considered 
very valuable, though I suspect I will always think it is an empty discipline, 
and thus would always argue against it unless to very specific evidence of its 
efficacy is demonstrated. But you have said some marvellous things to others in 
some posts, and in this field of spiritual development I feel you have some 
important things to say. 

I am not sure I really have laudable intentions concern

[FairfieldLife] Re: MDMA and PTSD?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Could MDMA be by far the best treatment for PTSD?
> At least for some people?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Could MDMA be by far the best treatment for PTSD?
> At least for some people?


I believe the more general class of psychedelics has potential. I have 
reservations about this particular one due to its possible side effects.  
Psilocybin might be a better choice.  But before MDMA was made illegal there 
were very promising reports from therapists using it to to good effect in 
accelerating the healing process.  Same with LSD for that matter.

But the draconian perspective of not allowing research on these drugs has 
slowed down our understanding of them.  So instead of having useful tested 
procedures for use in controlled settings by professionals, the only people who 
can get their hands on these drugs are sucking on pacifiers, haloed by glow 
sticks, thrashing to extreme states of dehydration to jungle trance music in 
some warehouse rave on the shitty side of town.  That is our psychedelic drug 
policy.

Our drug policy was created by old farts who grew up with commercials promoting 
cigarettes as a healthful digestive aid and who thought nothing of knocking 
back a few scotch and sodas at lunch on a Tuesday.  They didn't have a clue 
about this new class of possibly helpful psychoactive chemicals. Seeing an army 
of tie-died trippers made them lose their minds in overreaction. What is the 
new generations of younger politicians' excuse? I'm talk'n to you "toke-toke, 
sniff-sniff" Barack.

Oh yeah, Pfizer, doesn't have a patent on these drugs.  I forgot. 

If only Stanley Owlsey had been more of a campaign contributor!




 

>


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: No Excuses for avoiding liberation? Crucifixion Meditation

[RoryGoff]

* * True That! And true too, the World IS as We are... 

As the One says, You are made in My image; the World is Yours to create as You 
please, for every moment is made new by Your subtlest breath. Feed my sheep and 
you feed Me; pay loving attention to My childish thoughts in You: grant their 
every subtle need, and You tend My divine seeds; what You do for the smallest 
of these, You do for Me. 

And it is written, the coherent Love of Being, the Conscious Light of Faith, 
and the Blissful Laughter of Hope remain forever, for these three are our 
golden goose-egg, our body and our blood, but the greatest of these is Love, 
for truly, appearances notwithstanding, Love alone IS. 

I am Love; You are Love; All This is Love; Love Alone IS!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> "..nothing like a good crucifixion (meditation) to bring us back
> to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows."
> 
> Yup, frankly the world would be a better place if at least 10 percent of its 
> people would hang out in this, Christians too.  Even the science is showing 
> this, regardless of faith.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, Crucification Meditation.  The CM program.   Thanks I'm on the 
> > twice-a-day crucification program.  Twice a day for 20 minutes each time. 
> > Hang out in the silence of the CM and it's like a suspension in time.  It's 
> > the big Being of suspension of time.  It's an ultimate in universal 
> > experience to hang like that.  Ultimate Christianity.  Crucifixion 
> > Meditation.   The results are cumulative and pretty soon you are just like 
> > Christ.  Just like the Same presence then and now.  In and out.  Amazing 
> > Grace how sweet it is.  *OMG*  
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > * * Yea, verily, Jim! There's nothing like a good crucifixion to bring us 
> > > back to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows. For 
> > > verily, verily, unless our inner Sun is eclipsed and the temple veil of 
> > > our egoic body is rent, spilling ourselves out once and for ever into All 
> > > That Is, how can we surrender wholly into the utter perfection of God? 
> > > 
> > > For it is written, no one shall see the face of God and live, and also, 
> > > in that One who personifies the crucifixion I die daily :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Rory! I can use a good crucifixion now and again. Keeps things 
> > > > on the up and up. Starting from scratch, so to speak, after hitting the 
> > > > nail on the head several times.:-)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three 
> > > > > nails, albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a 
> > > > > savings of XXV per centum to the Empire.  Since you so clearly uphold 
> > > > > the greater good, you could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic 
> > > > > insurrectionist your detractors have claimed you to be. Enough 
> > > > > Pontificating -- I wash my hands of the entire affair, and declare 
> > > > > you now and forever a Free Man.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have 
> > > > > > > > > > the IQ or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady 
> > > > > > > > > > riff with the experts on this site..I disassociate when 
> > > > > > > > > > necessary.
> > > > > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous 
> > > > > > > > > > thought - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > > > > > > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually 
> > > > > > > > > > fathom on any level) entertain and inform me greatly - and 
> > > > > > > > > > for this I am grateful, as I see myself as a bit of an 
> > > > > > > > > > energy vampire at this moment in my life, and I know that I 
> > > > > > > > > > really don't belong here amongst the shining stars 

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[turquoiseb]

It's interesting, on this forum at least, to be the subject
of so much pondering, but without a shred of ill intent or
attempts to demonize being involved in the pondering. Good
pondering chops, Xeno.  :-)

Might I suggest that the reason yours are more interesting 
and quite possibly more accurate than other people's is the
following:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some 
> emotional issues, but really I am just making that 
> up. If he has such issues, it is not up to me to 
> fix them, that is his journey. 

THAT is the whole difference between your musings and
those of others. Many of these others -- NOT just when
dealing with me but with many other people as well -- 
seem to feel not only the need to "fix" those they 
interact with, but the right to do so. Such people 
really DO think that "fixing" those they don't approve 
of or don't like IS up to them. In their heads, it's 
their job.

But it isn't. It wouldn't be even if they were spiritual 
teachers, which no one on this forum really is. 

The problem as I see is not perceiving others and making
assumptions about them based on their scribblings in
cyberspace; we all do that. The problem is deciding that
one has the right to try to change these others.

Quite frankly -- in my analysis -- those who are most 
likely to take upon themselves the "job" of trying to 
change others, on this forum and on other "spiritual"
forums, are the very people *who change the least
themselves*. You can go back a year, three years,
ten years, or twenty, and you find them writing 
essentially the same posts, often to the same people,
demanding in the same tones that they change. But the 
"compulsive fixers" never seem to change themselves,
or even see the need to change themselves. *They're*
not the ones who are broken; the people they're 
lecturing to are broken.

I tend to disagree. In my view, everyone here is pretty
much equal in being broken, and no one here has either
the right or the ability to fix them. We're all just
bozos on this bus.

Interestingly, those who seem to feel the strongest sense 
of entitlement when it comes to fixing others are often 
those who show the most resistance when anyone else points 
out something in their *own* behavior that could use a
little changing. Turnabout is *definitely* not fair play 
for the compulsive "fixers." 

While I think that your ideal of viewing what other
people write as lessons is good, in some cases I have
written off some of these lessons, and the "fixers"
who try to deliver them, as Just Not Worthy Of My Time. 

Over the course of years, I haven't found anything
of use in any of the things they've tried to "fix"
in me, and thus I don't see their lessons as having
any value. To me at least. Maybe others do, and that
is their business. Me, I just write them off and 
stop bothering to read what they write. I'm pretty
sure, having done this for some months now, that 
I have not missed anything of value. What I have 
missed is being lectured to by people who seem to 
feel that they can "fix" me without ever having put 
any effort into fixing themselves first. I urge them 
to take their "fixer upper" mentality elsewhere, and 
aim it at those who might appreciate it. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[J F]

Jesus Christ Barry, we are just commenting on and responding to your posts. Its 
a forum. People do that. End of story.

Maybe if you would let go of this notion that you are being persecuted, you 
wouldn't have your nuts in a twist. Its just Karma and its a bitch sometimes, 
for all of us. So suck it up, watch the waves you have created wash back over 
you, and kindly get over yourself.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> It's interesting, on this forum at least, to be the subject
> of so much pondering, but without a shred of ill intent or
> attempts to demonize being involved in the pondering. Good
> pondering chops, Xeno.  :-)
> 
> Might I suggest that the reason yours are more interesting 
> and quite possibly more accurate than other people's is the
> following:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some 
> > emotional issues, but really I am just making that 
> > up. If he has such issues, it is not up to me to 
> > fix them, that is his journey. 
> 
> THAT is the whole difference between your musings and
> those of others. Many of these others -- NOT just when
> dealing with me but with many other people as well -- 
> seem to feel not only the need to "fix" those they 
> interact with, but the right to do so. Such people 
> really DO think that "fixing" those they don't approve 
> of or don't like IS up to them. In their heads, it's 
> their job.
> 
> But it isn't. It wouldn't be even if they were spiritual 
> teachers, which no one on this forum really is. 
> 
> The problem as I see is not perceiving others and making
> assumptions about them based on their scribblings in
> cyberspace; we all do that. The problem is deciding that
> one has the right to try to change these others.
> 
> Quite frankly -- in my analysis -- those who are most 
> likely to take upon themselves the "job" of trying to 
> change others, on this forum and on other "spiritual"
> forums, are the very people *who change the least
> themselves*. You can go back a year, three years,
> ten years, or twenty, and you find them writing 
> essentially the same posts, often to the same people,
> demanding in the same tones that they change. But the 
> "compulsive fixers" never seem to change themselves,
> or even see the need to change themselves. *They're*
> not the ones who are broken; the people they're 
> lecturing to are broken.
> 
> I tend to disagree. In my view, everyone here is pretty
> much equal in being broken, and no one here has either
> the right or the ability to fix them. We're all just
> bozos on this bus.
> 
> Interestingly, those who seem to feel the strongest sense 
> of entitlement when it comes to fixing others are often 
> those who show the most resistance when anyone else points 
> out something in their *own* behavior that could use a
> little changing. Turnabout is *definitely* not fair play 
> for the compulsive "fixers." 
> 
> While I think that your ideal of viewing what other
> people write as lessons is good, in some cases I have
> written off some of these lessons, and the "fixers"
> who try to deliver them, as Just Not Worthy Of My Time. 
> 
> Over the course of years, I haven't found anything
> of use in any of the things they've tried to "fix"
> in me, and thus I don't see their lessons as having
> any value. To me at least. Maybe others do, and that
> is their business. Me, I just write them off and 
> stop bothering to read what they write. I'm pretty
> sure, having done this for some months now, that 
> I have not missed anything of value. What I have 
> missed is being lectured to by people who seem to 
> feel that they can "fix" me without ever having put 
> any effort into fixing themselves first. I urge them 
> to take their "fixer upper" mentality elsewhere, and 
> aim it at those who might appreciate it. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
> 
> Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's
> internal state by external cues. I do not know what Barry's 
> internal state is. I for one cannot figure him out, but I am
> not convinced that projecting my hypotheses as an explanation
> of his behaviour is really to any point. 
> 
> Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also
> projects her own emotional states onto others. I *think* that,
> but it is an hypothesis, because I do not *know* that. I also
> *think* she does not think that she projects her internal
> states onto the world. But that thought might not have any 
> substance to it. There is always ambiguity because what people
> feel and think is not necessarily what they say, nor does their
> behaviour always indicate what is really going on in there.

I find it fascinating that you focus on my purported
emotional projections onto Barry, while completely
ignoring Barry's own tendency to project.

These are just a few selections from his posts in the
past seven days:

-

My "sin" is that I won't give them [Jim, MZ,
Ravi, and Judy] any attention and allow them
to suck me into an argument so that they can
spew their venom at me. And the more I ignore
them, and the more that their attempts *to*
suck me into arguments fail, the more
obsessive and the more pissed off they seem
to get.

Was I right on by calling this syndrome
"attention vampirism," or what? They're all
acting like vampires who haven't been able
to feed for some time, and are starting to
starve.

289050

Another instance of this on this forum is how
MZ views what he does as "missionary work." He
is preaching to the poor, deluded people who
still believe in the enlightenment metaphor,
and trying to convince them (for their own good,
of course) to climb on board the Jesus Bang Bus.
Again, the metaphor is "Be like me."

288761

Alternate titles for this post [by Masked Zebra] include:

"Jealousy: A Whine In 1,430 Words"

"Why Is This Guy Famous And I'm Not?"

"No One Is Paying Any Attention To Me So I'll Suck Up To
A Few People Hoping They'll Fall For It And Focus On ME"

288633

Translated from the Latin, "I argue therefore I am." This
is a play on "Cogito ergo sum" -- "I think therefore I am,"
and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode
of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people
into arguing with them.

288474

-

Xeno, you've been here long enough to have seen any
number of this type of post from Barry. There have
even been a couple directed at you. Yet you haven't
commented at all on his propensity to project.

Any idea why that might be? Why are you focused
exclusively on your perception of my projections
onto Barry?

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[maskedzebra]

What is most shocking about all this is that it is said entirely abstractly. 
There is no evidence of any contact with an experience, therefore with the 
person that you really are. If there were some indication—even 
unconsciously—that you were exercising a truly self-reflective capacity, then 
there might be some point to what you say. As it is, the experiential context 
within which you make your fixed and immovable judgments is lifeless and 
dogmatic. But the real irony is your belief that you are really presenting a 
kind of argument that is worthy of being respected. 

In the abstract, everything you say here warrants attention. There is a 
principle at stake and you have articulated that principle intelligibly, 
coherently. But the living person behind this exposition, he is not present in 
the prose that comes up on my screen. If a cadaver speaks to me, I think it 
somewhat of a miracle. If a live human being writes as if he is a cadaver (not 
in the content of what he says, but in the total absence of any passion and 
vulnerability inside the subtext) then I feel, it is just as much a 
miracle—only a negative one. And I feel constrained, for the sake of what is 
real, to point this out. 

That you have persuaded us of your rationale for ignoring what others say about 
you, goes without saying. It seems reasonable: I am going to not give these 
people the satisfaction of responding to their neurotic need to criticize me; 
after all, it (this obsession with me) is but the compensation for their own 
truly miserable, self-deluded lives. 

However, you not only entirely miss the motives of your critics (I can and 
should I suppose only speak for myself here), the context within which you 
personally make your case is devoid of everything which would enable me to 
sense that a human being is speaking to me. Sure, he is there somewhere; but—no 
doubt through no fault of your own—you can't feel this withholding of personal 
sensitivity and subjective selfhood. And that is the issue.

And, don't worry, I already know where this post has gone in your consciousness.

I am only interested in this phenomenon (as I have described it in this post), 
because it exhibits itself painfully, perhaps even tragically, to my my 
awareness. There is a human being in Holland who writes on this forum, and who, 
oblivious to the truth, thinks something is the case when it is not the case. 
This has the effect of drawing attention to itself. 

Note: If you want to rebut this (which you don't) you will have to enter into 
the fray—with more than your reflexive and well-defended set of shibboleths. 
You will have to assume the form of the human being you really are. Can you do 
this? Why not tell me all that you tell me in this post—seems a case can be 
made that you are right—without revealing that you are cauterizing the whole of 
your aliveness as a flesh and blood human being?

Robin (says Sal and your supporters), will you STFU? For Christ's sake, leave 
the guy alone. He's just fine as he is.

Why not out of the compassion of your heart, have some mercy on me—and perhaps 
one other person who takes you to task—and think charitably about a really 
meaningful project: explaining, revealing what motive (that we don't see 
ourselves) is determining this fixation on you—such that we have the 
opportunity to see through this motive, transcend it, and thus obtain the 
satisfaction and healing of issuing an apology to you. Pretty cruel and even 
bordering on sadistic to leave us in our compulsive projections. Really, I 
would be able to turn my life around were you compassionate enough (surely you 
are wise enough) to help me out.

Why not (with Bob Price's assistance) turn this into a kind of Dinner With 
Andre script? Premise: Certain persons feel the need to criticize a particular 
human being and American expatriate living in Holland who writes fascinating 
movie reviews, and more or less just wants everyone to leave him alone. These 
people believe (or at least one of them does) that their motive in doing so is 
positive and even altruistic. But the object of this attention knows better. 
How will this story be resolved morally, circumstantially? Which character or 
characters do you you end up rooting for? 

Because—I confess this right out—I have only gone after you, Barry, in order to 
try out this plot: it has all been an artistic contrivance on my part, to see 
if there is any meat in this idea of making a film (and you should know: Bob 
Price has been in on this right from the beginning. Sorry about that, Bob; but 
what do you expect me to do? In fact, Turquoise, it was Bob's idea right from 
the beginning. And he swore me to secrecy. Why do you think he has been such a 
loyal fan of yours? It was only to set you up.) Now that I have been straight 
with you, I can of course apologize to you for those posts—you were right all 
along. But, you see, you fell for it.

Now I admit it was hard to get Judy on board. But aft

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

And another example, Xeno:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> THAT is the whole difference between your musings and
> those of others. Many of these others -- NOT just when
> dealing with me but with many other people as well -- 
> seem to feel not only the need to "fix" those they 
> interact with, but the right to do so. Such people 
> really DO think that "fixing" those they don't approve 
> of or don't like IS up to them. In their heads, it's 
> their job.

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[John]

> We two, for example, disagree on the value of astrology. That may be because 
> I grew up with a rather intense interest in astronomy and science, and to me 
> astrology makes no sense at all. For others it seems it is something 
> considered very valuable, though I suspect I will always think it is an empty 
> discipline, and thus would always argue against it unless to very specific 
> evidence of its efficacy is demonstrated. But you have said some marvellous 
> things to others in some posts, and in this field of spiritual development I 
> feel you have some important things to say. 
> 

Barry is obviously pushing your buttons.  And, he made cry, "wuf-wuf".  You 
should praise MMY for his works and listen to him bark, "arf-arf".

[FairfieldLife] Mistress of the Spices

[Bhairitu]

I suspect some folks here read the book which was a best seller and 
authored by a Bay Area author.  I suspect few if any ever saw the movie 
however.  The movie stars former Miss World Aishwarya Rai, Dylan 
McDermott and was made in 2005.  Much of it was also shot in Oakland and 
there were article in the local papers and web sites about the filming.  
The movie however was panned and never made the theaters around nor the 
video rental shops.  But I decided to see if Netflix had it and they do 
on DVD.  I was surprised to find it distributed by the Weinsteins.

So when I put the DVD in my Bluray player last night I was prepared for 
a "bad" movie.  It is not. But it just didn't find it's audience.  I had 
tried to read the novel several years ago but found it a bit boorish.  
Apparently those who read the book and saw the movie were disappointed 
as it didn't play out as they had expected.

The story is about a woman who as a young girl learned to become a 
"master" of sorts with spices.  Her spice guru played by Zohra Sehgal, a 
veteran Indian actress I have enjoyed in many movies, usually playing 
comic roles, such as "Bhaji on the Beach" and "Bend it with Beckham", 
warns her about using the spices for her own aims but to help others 
with them instead.  As a woman the student comes to America and sets up 
a spice shop in Oakland.

Much of the story revolves around her belief in the power of the 
spices.  The spices "talk" to her.  But what much of this story does is 
tell you about the power of spices in a village tantra ayurveda sense. 
She of course falls for an American architect play by McDermott who 
happens to get into a motorbike accident outside her shop and she offers 
to help heal his scared arm with herbs.  There is much about ayurveda 
and tantra in this film.  And it is lavishly filmed in a spice shop I've 
never even seen the likes of in India.

The audience for this film would be many of the folks here on FFL.  It 
would not appeal to Indians who would not like some of the "American sex 
scenes" though the film is as tame as an after school movie.  And as 
such the story also addresses Indians trying to adjust to American 
values.  Westerners would have been put off by superstitious belief in 
spices and the woman's psychic abilities.  Probably in the west only 
Indiaphiles would appreciate this movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407998/

Trailer here and if you look on the list to the right you'll find the 
movie is posted in parts on YouTube (Weinsteins must not have complained):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPRvUkkG6QA

Only on disc on Netflix and not sure why as they made a deal with 
included many Weinstein films being streamed.  BTW, the DVD is nicely 
mastered.

[FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[John]

Marcio,

There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.  You can try 
the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods.  IMO, they work too.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio"  wrote:
>
> hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"?  how to build 
> the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
>

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

The *obliviousness* of this post is stupefying.

Barry, if criticism constitutes an attempt at "fixing,"
you are FFL's Master Fixer.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> It's interesting, on this forum at least, to be the subject
> of so much pondering, but without a shred of ill intent or
> attempts to demonize being involved in the pondering. Good
> pondering chops, Xeno.  :-)
> 
> Might I suggest that the reason yours are more interesting 
> and quite possibly more accurate than other people's is the
> following:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some 
> > emotional issues, but really I am just making that 
> > up. If he has such issues, it is not up to me to 
> > fix them, that is his journey. 
> 
> THAT is the whole difference between your musings and
> those of others. Many of these others -- NOT just when
> dealing with me but with many other people as well -- 
> seem to feel not only the need to "fix" those they 
> interact with, but the right to do so. Such people 
> really DO think that "fixing" those they don't approve 
> of or don't like IS up to them. In their heads, it's 
> their job.
> 
> But it isn't. It wouldn't be even if they were spiritual 
> teachers, which no one on this forum really is. 
> 
> The problem as I see is not perceiving others and making
> assumptions about them based on their scribblings in
> cyberspace; we all do that. The problem is deciding that
> one has the right to try to change these others.
> 
> Quite frankly -- in my analysis -- those who are most 
> likely to take upon themselves the "job" of trying to 
> change others, on this forum and on other "spiritual"
> forums, are the very people *who change the least
> themselves*. You can go back a year, three years,
> ten years, or twenty, and you find them writing 
> essentially the same posts, often to the same people,
> demanding in the same tones that they change. But the 
> "compulsive fixers" never seem to change themselves,
> or even see the need to change themselves. *They're*
> not the ones who are broken; the people they're 
> lecturing to are broken.
> 
> I tend to disagree. In my view, everyone here is pretty
> much equal in being broken, and no one here has either
> the right or the ability to fix them. We're all just
> bozos on this bus.
> 
> Interestingly, those who seem to feel the strongest sense 
> of entitlement when it comes to fixing others are often 
> those who show the most resistance when anyone else points 
> out something in their *own* behavior that could use a
> little changing. Turnabout is *definitely* not fair play 
> for the compulsive "fixers." 
> 
> While I think that your ideal of viewing what other
> people write as lessons is good, in some cases I have
> written off some of these lessons, and the "fixers"
> who try to deliver them, as Just Not Worthy Of My Time. 
> 
> Over the course of years, I haven't found anything
> of use in any of the things they've tried to "fix"
> in me, and thus I don't see their lessons as having
> any value. To me at least. Maybe others do, and that
> is their business. Me, I just write them off and 
> stop bothering to read what they write. I'm pretty
> sure, having done this for some months now, that 
> I have not missed anything of value. What I have 
> missed is being lectured to by people who seem to 
> feel that they can "fix" me without ever having put 
> any effort into fixing themselves first. I urge them 
> to take their "fixer upper" mentality elsewhere, and 
> aim it at those who might appreciate it. :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

John

great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental  meditation, I
received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
qualities, desire to learn,


I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
construction of Beej-akshara,

  You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation session?

2011/9/11 John 

> **
>
>
> Marcio,
>
> There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras. You can
> try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work too.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio"  wrote:
> >
> > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how to build
> the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: No Excuses for avoiding liberation? Crucifixion Meditation

[emptybill]

Such crowshite.

Ever heard of the twelve stations of the cross?
Learn it and contemplate it.
Then you too can give yourself stigmata.
You'll feel better when you bleed for Jesu.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> "..nothing like a good crucifixion (meditation) to bring us back
> to the zero-point, the nothingness from which everything flows."
>
> Yup, frankly the world would be a better place if at least 10 percent
of its people would hang out in this, Christians too.  Even the science
is showing this, regardless of faith.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[emptybill]

Morcelo

You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
>
> John
>
> great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental 
meditation, I
> received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> qualities, desire to learn,
>
>
> I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> construction of Beej-akshara,
>
>   You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
session?
>
> 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Marcio,
> >
> > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
You can
> > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
too.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > >
> > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
to build
> > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] IN REMEMBERANCE

[johnt]

In remembering the dead of 911 also remember the dead killed by Israel

June 8, 1967: The USS Liberty was an American intelligence gathering ship. On 
June 8, 1967, during the fourth day of the third Arab-Israeli War, the Liberty 
was steaming in international waters in the Mediterranean, 60 miles off the 
coast of Egypt. It flew the American flag. It had clear, English markings on 
its hull (GTR-5). It was a bright, sunny day that posed no visibility problems.
At 2 p.m., the ship is attacked by air and sea. Out of a crew of 294 officers 
and men, 34 are killed, 73 are wounded, and the ship sustains $40 million in 
damages. The ship never sailed again. It was sold as scrap in 1970 for $102,000.

Israel claimed it made a mistake. The Johnson administration officially took 
Israel at its words, although Dean Rusk, secretary of state at the time, said 
the attack was "quite literally incomprehensible" given repeated Israeli 
reconnaissance flights before the attack and said that "at a minimum, the 
attack must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton 
disregard for human life." Rusk's words were unheeded, and the USS Liberty's 
surviving crew members forbidden from discussing the attack publicly.

Subsequent research undermines Israeli claims that the attack was an accident.

A reconnaissance flights by the Israeli air force at 6 a.m. that morning 
reported seeing "a US Navy cargo type ship" outside Israeli radar range. 
"Throughout the remainder of the day prior to the attack," a detailed, 
well-documented 2005 report to the Secretary of the U.S. Army by Report is 
filed by the USS Liberty Veterans Association noted, "Israeli reconnaissance 
aircraft regularly flew out to USS Liberty's position and orbited the ship 
before returning to their bases in Israel. A total of no fewer than eight such 
flights were made."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

*empt*
*
*
*ok .. I now buy the book at amazon

My main question is about using more than one Beej

trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...


goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced

MEDITATION transecendental


because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras... example


 "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
*
*
*but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**

*
*
*
*you understand my thinking?*


2011/9/11 emptybill 

> **
>
>
> Morcelo
>
> You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
> =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> >
> > John
> >
> > great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> meditation, I
> > received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> > qualities, desire to learn,
> >
> >
> > I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> > construction of Beej-akshara,
> >
> > You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> session?
> >
> > 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Marcio,
> > >
> > > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
> You can
> > > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
> too.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
> to build
> > > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Fee-Based Fixing

[turquoiseb]

I think I have a graceful solution for those posters on this forum who
seem to have a compulsive need to "fix" other posters, but who at the
same time fly into an ill-concealed rage any time any of these posters
1) don't pay attention to their advice, or 2) suggest there are a few
things about the fixers themselves they might just want to...uh...fix.
Or at the very least ponder.

Make the giving and receiving of advice fee-based. Y'know...the same way
you guys work with the spiritual teachers you revere. Most of you who
are into spiritual teachers wouldn't really expect them to give you
useful advice unless you were paying for it, right? What I'm suggesting
is that you similarly have no right to expect anyone else to follow
*your* advice unless *they* are paying for it.

It's simple to set up. Those who feel that their insights and their
perceptions of other people are worth paying attention to, and their
advice worth following, *put your skills on the market*, and see who
agrees with you. Set up a simple PayPal account, and charge the people
you give advice to a reasonable fee, whatever you think it's worth. (For
most advice-givers on this forum, I would suggest a fee no larger than
$1 US per month, and that might be pushing it.)

>From then on, whenever you feel compelled to give advice and "fix"
someone, the only people on this forum you have a right to expect a
response from are the ones who are actually paying you for the advice.
All others have the absolute right to ignore whatever you say without
comment, and as if you don't exist.

Those who feel that their advice is SO important to those they preach it
at that their victims "should" or "must" pay attention to it are free to
pay *them* to be receivers of said advice. But paying your victims does
not in any way imply that they must either read your advice or pay
attention to it. It's just a way for you compulsive "fixers" to feel
better about yourselves, and convince yourselves that you actually have
an audience.

[FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Buck]

Om what da beej, I am quite fond of 
"Om Iym Shrim Klim Columbia Namaha" for my TM open-source mantra on these 
particular 9-11 memorial days.  It's great.

Columbia (pronounced /kəˈlʌmbiə/ kə-lum-bee-ə), 
is a poetic name for the Americas and the feminine personification of the 
United States of America.

-Buckji in FF



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
>
> *empt*
> *
> *
> *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
> 
> My main question is about using more than one Beej
> 
> trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
> two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
> 
> 
> goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
> 
> MEDITATION transecendental
> 
> 
> because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras... example
> 
> 
>  "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> *
> *
> *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
> 
> *
> *
> *
> *you understand my thinking?*
> 
> 
> 2011/9/11 emptybill 
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Morcelo
> >
> > You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
> > =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> > meditation, I
> > > received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> > > qualities, desire to learn,
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> > > construction of Beej-akshara,
> > >
> > > You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> > session?
> > >
> > > 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marcio,
> > > >
> > > > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
> > You can
> > > > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
> > too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
> > to build
> > > > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fee-Based Fixing

[J F]

Good idea, only the fixers are merely providing a service for the product 
itself, you. So I think it more than fair you pony up about $5 per week to 
advertise your stuff, that the fixers can then all comment on for a buck a 
month. Face it Barry, its therapy for you, and that costs money.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I think I have a graceful solution for those posters on this forum who
> seem to have a compulsive need to "fix" other posters, but who at the
> same time fly into an ill-concealed rage any time any of these posters
> 1) don't pay attention to their advice, or 2) suggest there are a few
> things about the fixers themselves they might just want to...uh...fix.
> Or at the very least ponder.
> 
> Make the giving and receiving of advice fee-based. Y'know...the same way
> you guys work with the spiritual teachers you revere. Most of you who
> are into spiritual teachers wouldn't really expect them to give you
> useful advice unless you were paying for it, right? What I'm suggesting
> is that you similarly have no right to expect anyone else to follow
> *your* advice unless *they* are paying for it.
> 
> It's simple to set up. Those who feel that their insights and their
> perceptions of other people are worth paying attention to, and their
> advice worth following, *put your skills on the market*, and see who
> agrees with you. Set up a simple PayPal account, and charge the people
> you give advice to a reasonable fee, whatever you think it's worth. (For
> most advice-givers on this forum, I would suggest a fee no larger than
> $1 US per month, and that might be pushing it.)
> 
> From then on, whenever you feel compelled to give advice and "fix"
> someone, the only people on this forum you have a right to expect a
> response from are the ones who are actually paying you for the advice.
> All others have the absolute right to ignore whatever you say without
> comment, and as if you don't exist.
> 
> Those who feel that their advice is SO important to those they preach it
> at that their victims "should" or "must" pay attention to it are free to
> pay *them* to be receivers of said advice. But paying your victims does
> not in any way imply that they must either read your advice or pay
> attention to it. It's just a way for you compulsive "fixers" to feel
> better about yourselves, and convince yourselves that you actually have
> an audience.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

u r crazy ?

2011/9/11 Buck 

> **
>
>
> Om what da beej, I am quite fond of
> "Om Iym Shrim Klim Columbia Namaha" for my TM open-source mantra on these
> particular 9-11 memorial days. It's great.
>
> Columbia (pronounced /kəˈlʌmbiə/
> kə-lum-bee-ə), is a poetic name for the Americas and the feminine
> personification of the United States of America.
>
> -Buckji in FF
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> >
> > *empt*
>
> > *
> > *
> > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
> >
> > My main question is about using more than one Beej
> >
> > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
> > two together? eg: Krim--Aing krim-aing krim- Aing krim-Aing ...
> >
> >
> > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
> >
> > MEDITATION transecendental
> >
> >
> > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras...
> example
> >
> >
> > "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> > *
> > *
> > *but no "OM" im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
> >
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *you understand my thinking?*
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/11 emptybill 
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Morcelo
> > >
> > > You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
>  
> > > =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946<
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> > > meditation, I
> > > > received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> > > > qualities, desire to learn,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> > > > construction of Beej-akshara,
> > > >
> > > > You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> > > session?
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcio,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
> > > You can
> > > > > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
> > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > > > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
> > > to build
> > > > > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Buck]

Hail Columbia, happy land!
Hail, ye heroes, heav'n-born band,
Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
And when the storm of war was gone
Enjoy'd the peace your valor won.
Let independence be our boast,
Ever mindful what it cost;
Ever grateful for the prize,
Let its altar reach the skies.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om what da beej, I am quite fond of 
> "Om Iym Shrim Klim Columbia Namaha" for my TM open-source mantra on these 
> particular 9-11 memorial days.  It's great.
> 
> Columbia (pronounced /kəˈlʌmbiə/ kə-lum-bee-ə), 
> is a poetic name for the Americas and the feminine personification of the 
> United States of America.
> 
> -Buckji in FF
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> >
> > *empt*
> > *
> > *
> > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
> > 
> > My main question is about using more than one Beej
> > 
> > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
> > two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
> > 
> > 
> > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
> > 
> > MEDITATION transecendental
> > 
> > 
> > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras... example
> > 
> > 
> >  "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> > *
> > *
> > *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
> > 
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *you understand my thinking?*
> > 
> > 
> > 2011/9/11 emptybill 
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Morcelo
> > >
> > > You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
> > >
> > > http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
> > > =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> > > meditation, I
> > > > received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> > > > qualities, desire to learn,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> > > > construction of Beej-akshara,
> > > >
> > > > You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> > > session?
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcio,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
> > > You can
> > > > > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
> > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > > > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
> > > to build
> > > > > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Discipline

[Buck]

Come to Meditation!

Firm, united let us be,
Rallying round our liberty,
As a band of brothers joined,
Peace and safety we shall find.
Immortal patriots, rise once more,
Defend your rights, defend your shore!
Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
Invade the shrine where sacred lies
Of toil and blood, the well-earned prize,
While off'ring peace, sincere and just,
In Heaven's we place a manly trust,
That truth and justice will prevail,
And every scheme of bondage fail.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

*empt*
*
*
*ok .. I now buy the book at amazon

My main question is about using more than one Beej

trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...


goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced

MEDITATION transecendental


because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras... example


 "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
*
*
*but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
*

2011/9/11 Buck 

> **
>
>
> Hail Columbia, happy land!
> Hail, ye heroes, heav'n-born band,
> Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
> Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
> And when the storm of war was gone
> Enjoy'd the peace your valor won.
> Let independence be our boast,
> Ever mindful what it cost;
> Ever grateful for the prize,
> Let its altar reach the skies.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om what da beej, I am quite fond of
> > "Om Iym Shrim Klim Columbia Namaha" for my TM open-source mantra on these
> particular 9-11 memorial days. It's great.
> >
> > Columbia (pronounced /kəˈlʌmbiə/
> kə-lum-bee-ə), is a poetic name for the Americas and the feminine
> personification of the United States of America.
> >
> > -Buckji in FF
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
> > >
> > > *empt*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
> > >
> > > My main question is about using more than one Beej
> > >
> > > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim..
> the
> > > two together? eg: Krim--Aing krim-aing krim- Aing krim-Aing ...
> > >
> > >
> > > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
> > >
> > > MEDITATION transecendental
> > >
> > >
> > > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras...
> example
> > >
> > >
> > > "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *but no "OM" im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
> > >
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *you understand my thinking?*
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/11 emptybill 
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Morcelo
> > > >
> > > > You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
>  >
> > > =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946<
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> > > > meditation, I
> > > > > received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed
> saraswast
> > > > > qualities, desire to learn,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> > > > > construction of Beej-akshara,
> > > > >
> > > > > You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> > > > session?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marcio,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja
> mantras.
> > > > You can
> > > > > > try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they
> work
> > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > > > > > > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"?
> how
> > > > to build
> > > > > > the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] FFL For Androids

[PaliGap]

Patent infringement?

http://youtu.be/WnzlbyTZsQY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[Denise Evans]

Rory, I  appreciate your positive spin...of course I had to look up "the three 
gunas." It is good to come out of blissfull (or "blissless" actually) ignorance 
now and again...today is a particularly good day for that and I am looking up 
the nearest Mosque to visit.

I finally surrendered this AM to the need to meditate...and the illusion of 
peace has settled in temporarily.  Surrender can be difficult, as I'm sure Bob 
is well aware of :)



 



--- On Sat, 9/10/11, seventhray1  wrote:

From: seventhray1 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. 
Happy]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 10:20 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  Damn Rory, when you choose to stay in one lane, or should I say one 
plane, you can make a darn funny post.  Fun stuff.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three nails, 
> albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a savings of XXV 
> per centum to the Empire. Since you so clearly uphold the greater good, you 
> could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic insurrectionist your 
> detractors have claimed you to be. Enough Pontificating -- I wash my hands of 
> the entire affair, and declare you now and forever a Free Man.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@ wrote:
> >
> > Three works, and right side up please!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > 
> > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > >
 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the IQ or 
> > > > > > creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with the experts 
> > > > > > on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and there 
> > > > > > when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous thought - not 
> > > > > > original thought, just spontaneous. 
> >
 > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom on any 
 > > > > level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this I am grateful, 
 > > > > as I see myself as a bit of an energy vampire at this moment in my 
 > > > > life, and I know that I really don't belong here amongst the shining 
 > > > > stars of enlightened diction.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we really 
> > > > > don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the 
> > > > > sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has no place to lay 
> > > > > [Her] head." 
> > > > > 
> > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, forever 
> > > > > amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And so in apparently belonging
 nowhere, we really belong now here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, for 
we are not of them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing but 
> > > > > our childish thoughts, who nourished by our soma-milk, feed 
> > > > > vampire-like upon our love, and hang a-tremble on our softest breath 
> > > > > -- the beauty of our body and our blood.
> > > > > 
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




 





 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Bhairitu]

Children shouldn't play with fire.

On 09/11/2011 11:42 AM, Marcelo rosa wrote:
> *empt*
> *
> *
> *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
>
> My main question is about using more than one Beej
>
> trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
> two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
>
>
> goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
>
> MEDITATION transecendental
>
>
> because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras... example
>
>
>   "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> *
> *
> *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
>
> *
> *
> *
> *you understand my thinking?*
>
>
> 2011/9/11 emptybill
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Morcelo
>>
>> You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
>> =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:
>>> John
>>>
>>> great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
>> meditation, I
>>> received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
>>> qualities, desire to learn,
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
>>> construction of Beej-akshara,
>>>
>>> You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
>> session?
>>> 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
>>>
 **

 Marcio,

 There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
>> You can
 try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
>> too.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
>> to build
 the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link


>>
>>





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

 Bhairitu

hmm yes u r correct ...

2011/9/11 Bhairitu 

> Children shouldn't play with fire.
>
> On 09/11/2011 11:42 AM, Marcelo rosa wrote:
> > *empt*
> > *
> > *
> > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
> >
> > My main question is about using more than one Beej
> >
> > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim.. the
> > two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
> >
> >
> > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
> >
> > MEDITATION transecendental
> >
> >
> > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras...
> example
> >
> >
> >   "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
> > *
> > *
> > *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
> >
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *you understand my thinking?*
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/11 emptybill
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Morcelo
> >>
> >> You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
> >> =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946<
> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa
>  wrote:
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
> >> meditation, I
> >>> received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
> >>> qualities, desire to learn,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
> >>> construction of Beej-akshara,
> >>>
> >>> You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
> >> session?
> >>> 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
> >>>
>  **
> 
>  Marcio,
> 
>  There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
> >> You can
>  try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
> >> too.
> 
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
> > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
> >> to build
>  the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
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>
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

but something we can think ... and try, why not?

2011/9/11 Marcelo rosa 

>  Bhairitu
>
> hmm yes u r correct ...
>
>
> 2011/9/11 Bhairitu 
>
>> Children shouldn't play with fire.
>>
>> On 09/11/2011 11:42 AM, Marcelo rosa wrote:
>> > *empt*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
>> >
>> > My main question is about using more than one Beej
>> >
>> > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim..
>> the
>> > two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
>> >
>> >
>> > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
>> >
>> > MEDITATION transecendental
>> >
>> >
>> > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras...
>> example
>> >
>> >
>> >   "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
>> >
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *you understand my thinking?*
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/9/11 emptybill
>> >
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Morcelo
>> >>
>> >> You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
>> >> =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946<
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa
>>  wrote:
>> >>> John
>> >>>
>> >>> great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
>> >> meditation, I
>> >>> received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
>> >>> qualities, desire to learn,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
>> >>> construction of Beej-akshara,
>> >>>
>> >>> You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
>> >> session?
>> >>> 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
>> >>>
>>  **
>> 
>>  Marcio,
>> 
>>  There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
>> >> You can
>>  try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
>> >> too.
>> 
>>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
>> > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
>> > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
>> >> to build
>>  the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
>> 
>> 
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[RoryGoff]

My pleasure, Denise! Enjoy your meditating. Hmm, positive spin -- that would 
probably be the rotary, fixed-faith Guna of rajas, light, or consciousness, 
personified as Brahma :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> Rory, I  appreciate your positive spin...of course I had to look up "the 
> three gunas." It is good to come out of blissfull (or "blissless" actually) 
> ignorance now and again...today is a particularly good day for that and I am 
> looking up the nearest Mosque to visit.
> 
> I finally surrendered this AM to the need to meditate...and the illusion of 
> peace has settled in temporarily.  Surrender can be difficult, as I'm sure 
> Bob is well aware of :)
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 9/10/11, seventhray1  wrote:
> 
> From: seventhray1 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. 
> Happy]
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 10:20 PM
> 
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>   
>   Damn Rory, when you choose to stay in one lane, or should I say one 
> plane, you can make a darn funny post.  Fun stuff.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > Very laudable indeed, Sir! Your most economical choice of only three nails, 
> > albeit almost certainly less comfortable, would represent a savings of XXV 
> > per centum to the Empire. Since you so clearly uphold the greater good, you 
> > could not possibly be the selfish, narcissistic insurrectionist your 
> > detractors have claimed you to be. Enough Pontificating -- I wash my hands 
> > of the entire affair, and declare you now and forever a Free Man.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Three works, and right side up please!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * * Don't mind if I do, Jim! 
> > > > 
> > > > Which would you prefer -- three nails or four? :-)
> > > >
>  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn Rory - Nail me to a cross! :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ravi, not to worryI am well-aware that I do not have the IQ 
> > > > > > > or creative skill-set needed to maintain a heady riff with the 
> > > > > > > experts on this site..I disassociate when necessary.
> > > > > > > This should be fairly evident by now.  I jump in here and 
> > > > > > > there when my neurons connect in a moment of spontaneous thought 
> > > > > > > - not original thought, just spontaneous. 
> > >
>  > > > > Mostly, the posts on this forum (those that I actually fathom on any 
> level) entertain and inform me greatly - and for this I am grateful, as I see 
> myself as a bit of an energy vampire at this moment in my life, and I know 
> that I really don't belong here amongst the shining stars of enlightened 
> diction.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > * * Well said, Denise; being "without the three gunas," we really 
> > > > > > don't belong anywhere. "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the 
> > > > > > sky have nests, but the [Daughter] of [Wo]Man has no place to lay 
> > > > > > [Her] head." 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For the heartbreaking beauty of it all is this: when the rug is 
> > > > > > yanked out from beneath our feet once and for all, we hang in 
> > > > > > freefall forever here and now, suspended alone, all-one, forever 
> > > > > > amidst the ever-singing stars. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And so in apparently belonging
>  nowhere, we really belong now here, and now here belongs heartfully to us, 
> for we are not of them, but they are of us. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And those galaxies of ever-murmuring shining stars are nothing but 
> > > > > > our childish thoughts, who nourished by our soma-milk, feed 
> > > > > > vampire-like upon our love, and hang a-tremble on our softest 
> > > > > > breath -- the beauty of our body and our blood.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[Marcelo rosa]

2011/9/11 Marcelo rosa 

> *but something we can think ... and try, why not?*



> *MMY I think, did not give all his knowledge to us many lessons and
> techniques he still had to teach us, I know people in my country who
> received 15 advanced techniques  but I only know four, maybesome of
> these **advanced techniques** is precisely the addition of the Beej
> mantras to the Beej mantra given at initiation*
>
> 2011/9/11 Marcelo rosa 
>
>>  Bhairitu
>>
>> hmm yes u r correct ...
>>
>>
>> 2011/9/11 Bhairitu 
>>
>>> Children shouldn't play with fire.
>>>
>>> On 09/11/2011 11:42 AM, Marcelo rosa wrote:
>>> > *empt*
>>> > *
>>> > *
>>> > *ok .. I now buy the book at amazon
>>> >
>>> > My main question is about using more than one Beej
>>> >
>>> > trancendental in meditation, example ... beejaaa for Ainge and krim..
>>> the
>>> > two together? eg:  Krim--Aing krim-aing  krim- Aing  krim-Aing ...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > goal is to achieve deeper levels and balanced
>>> >
>>> > MEDITATION transecendental
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > because I see many mantras used together in various beej mantras...
>>> example
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   "OM HREEM SHREEM KLEEM GLOUM GAM SHREE NANMAHA "*
>>> > *
>>> > *
>>> > *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**
>>> >
>>> > *
>>> > *
>>> > *
>>> > *you understand my thinking?*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2011/9/11 emptybill
>>> >
>>> >> **
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Morcelo
>>> >>
>>> >> You were shown this before. Buy the book and read it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref\
>>> >> =pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946<
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mantra-Yoga-Primal-Sound-Mantras/dp/0910261946/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b#reader_0910261946
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa
>>>  wrote:
>>> >>> John
>>> >>>
>>> >>> great , thanks for replying, but I really like trancendental
>>> >> meditation, I
>>> >>> received in my initiation, mantra saraswast, so I developed saraswast
>>> >>> qualities, desire to learn,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I want to know about building Beej-akshras  what is behind the
>>> >>> construction of Beej-akshara,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You can meditate with two, three Beej in a single meditation
>>> >> session?
>>> >>> 2011/9/11 John jr_esq@...
>>> >>>
>>>  **
>>> 
>>>  Marcio,
>>> 
>>>  There are various ways to meditate aside from using beeja mantras.
>>> >> You can
>>>  try the vipassana, anapanasati, or the zen methods. IMO, they work
>>> >> too.
>>> 
>>>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
>>> > hello .. Anyone know any books on construction
>>> > Beej mantras example "om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah"? how
>>> >> to build
>>>  the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[FairfieldLife] 9/11 Boatlift

[authfriend]

If you don't watch another minute of the 10th anniversary
coverage, you gotta watch this. It's a beautifully done 
12-minute documentary about the volunteer evacuation of
lower Manhattan by boat--ferries, tugboats, pleasure craft,
fishing boats, Coast Guard cutters,just about anything that
floated. More than 500,000 people in nine hours, 13 times
as many as at Dunkirk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo

This has a bit of the background:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eddie-rosenstein/tom-hanks-narrates-boatlift_b_956529.html

http://tinyurl.com/3paunzu

It's a feel-good story in the best sense of the term.

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I am not sure who you are replying to here. I wrote this paragraph to Ravi 
Yogi, and Barry was not pushing my buttons with regard to that particular post 
though he was mentioned therein; this paragraph referred to an exchange that 
took place some time ago. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 
> > We two, for example, disagree on the value of astrology. That may be 
> > because I grew up with a rather intense interest in astronomy and science, 
> > and to me astrology makes no sense at all. For others it seems it is 
> > something considered very valuable, though I suspect I will always think it 
> > is an empty discipline, and thus would always argue against it unless to 
> > very specific evidence of its efficacy is demonstrated. But you have said 
> > some marvellous things to others in some posts, and in this field of 
> > spiritual development I feel you have some important things to say. 
> > 
> 
> Barry is obviously pushing your buttons.  And, he made cry, "wuf-wuf".  You 
> should praise MMY for his works and listen to him bark, "arf-arf".
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 Boatlift

[jpgillam]

Thanks for that link. I needed something like that today.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> If you don't watch another minute of the 10th anniversary
> coverage, you gotta watch this. It's a beautifully done 
> 12-minute documentary about the volunteer evacuation of
> lower Manhattan by boat--ferries, tugboats, pleasure craft,
> fishing boats, Coast Guard cutters,just about anything that
> floated. More than 500,000 people in nine hours, 13 times
> as many as at Dunkirk.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo
> 
> This has a bit of the background:
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eddie-rosenstein/tom-hanks-narrates-boatlift_b_956529.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3paunzu
> 
> It's a feel-good story in the best sense of the term.
>

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[FairfieldLife] 102 Minutes that Changed America / Witness to 9/11

[emptybill]

Appearing on the history channel mutiple times during the today and
Monday. I watched it this morning and it is like being there again ...
stark and austere footage with only the side bars giving the time and
the place of occurances. A timed sequence ... 102 minutes of twin
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 102 Minutes that Changed America / Witness to 9/11

[authfriend]

It's also on YouTube, in 8 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=102+minutes+that+changed+america&aq=0z

http://tinyurl.com/3v2d6b9

I'm seeing some amazing footage I haven't seen before
on CBS right now, including from inside the North Tower
as the South Tower collapsed.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Appearing on the history channel mutiple times during the today and
> Monday. I watched it this morning and it is like being there again ...
> stark and austere footage with only the side bars giving the time and
> the place of occurances. A timed sequence ... 102 minutes of twin
> towers, pentagon and Shanksville, PA.
> Discover rarely seen and heard archives that document the 102 minutes
> between the first attack on the World Trade Center to the collapse of
> the second tower. This commercial-free special uses unique material from
> sources ranging from amateur photography and video to FDNY, NYPD, Port
> Authority and emergency dispatch radio recordings, photography and
> video. Also seen is footage broadcast outside the US, electronic
> messages and voicemails and "outtakes" culled from raw network footage.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Obummer...again

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote:

> Sherry  Hackett, wife of the late Buddy Hackett, is a  dyed-in-
> the-wool Democrat.  I would think that many other Democrats
> share  her position...

Not Sherry Hackett, sorry. Almost certainly not a
Democrat:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wenoticed.asp

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[seventhray1]

I imagine  you feel better having got that off your chest.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's internal
state by external cues. I do not know what Barry's internal state is. I
for one cannot figure him out, but I am not convinced that projecting my
hypotheses as an explanation of his behaviour is really to any point.
>
> Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also projects her
own emotional states onto others. I *think* that, but it is an
hypothesis, because I do not *know* that. I also *think* she does not
think that she projects her internal states onto the world. But that
thought might not have any substance to it. There is always ambiguity
because what people feel and think is not necessarily what they say, nor
does their behaviour always indicate what is really going on in there.
>
> Because the mind fabricates stories to explain things, it is almost
impossible to interact with the world in a way in which we do not
project our internal states onto situations, people, things. For example
you said 'I take offence'. What does that mean? To me, if that happens
to me, that means that someone said, did something which in some measure
creates an experience of upset, or displeasure, or something like that,
which I feel 'inside'. But why did that happen?
>
> What would it be inside that results in that reaction? Normally I do
not 'take offence' at what people say and do. Things happen. That is
what happens. My internal reactions, if they are unpleasant, have to be
dealt with, but 'taking offence' is just a posturing of the ego, it is a
blind and unconscious reaction to something that happens in the world
that does not fit in with the story our mind has created about the
world. I know people that take offence at practically everything that
goes on in the world. It is a peculiar reaction.
>
> Culture may have a lot to do with this internal programmed response,
as some cultures seem to have numerous behaviour patterns that defend
the ego, such as 'saving face' in Japan. Perhaps this has evolved as a
way to socially still anger, which seems to be the ego's last defence
when it gets attacked by the world. Perhaps all of us have some kind of
emotional damage that we are unconsciously suppressing or protecting.
>
> As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some emotional issues,
but really I am just making that up. If he has such issues, it is not up
to me to fix them, that is his journey. This is why we are all pursuing
enlightenment, to 'fix' these issues that drag our lives down. And if
there are those here who have experienced awakening, particularly not
quite complete awakening, they clearly know what they are faced with.
>
> Rather than try to analyse Barry, I tend to take what he says as a
lesson. The wide world at large is the master. It does what it does. It
provides situations we can take as lessons, or take them as attacks on
our individual level of being. Barry is a part of the world as perceived
from my point of view, so I can take what he says as a lesson or,
depending on the content and stance of it, I can take it as something
that strokes or attacks the ego, something that puffs up or cuts down
the ego, which is a more unconscious reaction. But if I do not go down
the lesson route, there will be no growth or deepening of experience; I
will simply be basking in self-importance or reacting to an affront to
my little, little self.
>
> So from my perspective, I can take Barry as an aspect of guru, of a
teacher. He is an aspect of reality. My task for myself is to deepen
enlightenment and understanding. The enlightenment game is a peculiar
kind of understanding because really there is nothing to understand, but
the game goes on nonetheless. So if I have a choice, I can assign to
Barry, or to you, or to Judy, or anyone, the aspect of guru and learn
from the interaction. If I do not have a choice, it means I am blocked
somehow, and that is something that needs looking into.
>
> I have had some pleasant, short interactions with Barry, and some
rather rough ones. I have had similar encounters with Judy. The goal, if
I wish to imagine one, is that all these interactions are like a line
drawn in empty space. One enjoys but does not react due to internal
disharmony in one's own life and being.
>
> One thing is clear, we do not win by always being right or being in
the right.
>
> We two, for example, disagree on the value of astrology. That may be
because I grew up with a rather intense interest in astronomy and
science, and to me astrology makes no sense at all. For others it seems
it is something considered very valuable, though I suspect I will always
think it is an empty discipline, and thus would always argue against it
unless to very specific evidence of its efficacy is demonstrated. But
you have said some marvellous things to others in some posts, and in
this field of spiritual develop

[FairfieldLife] 9/11 in under 5 minutes

[Bhairitu]

All you wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy in under 5 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

[Comments in text]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's
> > internal state by external cues. I do not know what Barry's 
> > internal state is. I for one cannot figure him out, but I am
> > not convinced that projecting my hypotheses as an explanation
> > of his behaviour is really to any point. 
> > 
> > Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also
> > projects her own emotional states onto others. I *think* that,
> > but it is an hypothesis, because I do not *know* that. I also
> > *think* she does not think that she projects her internal
> > states onto the world. But that thought might not have any 
> > substance to it. There is always ambiguity because what people
> > feel and think is not necessarily what they say, nor does their
> > behaviour always indicate what is really going on in there.
> 
> I find it fascinating that you focus on my purported
> emotional projections onto Barry, while completely
> ignoring Barry's own tendency to project.

I was posting via a post you had written, and to give what I wanted to say some 
kind of point of view, that seemed to me to be the point of view to take. Barry 
obviously does mention others in his posts and makes comments about them. Don't 
feel like you have been picked out for persecution. If 10 vehicles are going 75 
in a 50 miles per hour zone and one gets ticketed out of the group for speeding 
and the other get off free, it might just be the fall of the dice.

I did try to make sure I said when I suggested you were projecting, that in 
fact that was also what I was doing when I suggested it. I try to make a habit 
of not projecting, of being neutral, but do not always succeed, but in the past 
when I have brought up the subject, you have always retorted that that was a 
diversion from the argument at hand.

So, do you feel you project your inner feelings and musings and ideas onto 
others as you discuss them, or do you feel you do not do this? 

I think this concept is one of the important linchpins of the enlightenment 
game. As Maharishi said, unity is real, diversity is conceptual. Zen masters 
exhort their disciples to give up opinions. Adyashanti mentioned in an 
interview that as a child he came to the conclusion that adults were insane 
because they believed what they thought. This idea can also be appreciated in 
say, the Bible, 'God said let there be light, and there was light.' That is, 
there is a connexion between word and form. You can see this in the Gospel 
attributed to John, 'In the beginning was the word and the word was with (or 
toward) the god (theos), and this same was the god.' There is a connexion 
between thought and what we perceive exists. I do not want to get into some 
kind of theological argument here because I am decidedly not theological.

In thinking about our experience, about the world, about others, we are 
essentially creating a world of our own making and layering it atop reality, 
which is always there anyway. We are carving up the unity of existence, of 
being, into our conceptual matrix by which we understand the world. Processes 
like meditation, like TM, or the TM-Sidhi techniques are an aid into seeing 
past this process back to the beginning before it all starts, and at some point 
the vice-like grip the mind and its concepts have on obscuring experience will 
break and there is what is called awakening, and the process stops, at least 
long enough to see how it works. It is astonishing how thought, how ideas, how 
opinions can distort experience, and create its own analogue for direct 
experience. Direct experience is silent, non-judgmental; you could not have any 
argument with what Barry says or does in this. One can only have an argument 
when one is in opposition to reality in part or whole. Of course you cannot 
forever be without thought, but once the process of identifying with thought is 
sufficiently broken, it becomes much more difficult to get involved with the 
realities (aka illusions) created by what one thinks. In my own life I am still 
not completely clear how this perception is playing out, but it has been a 
fascinating adventure to have the reality by which I lived my life in a single 
moment completely stripped away. And then, a few years later to have that 
reality come crashing down when the effects of past events began to work 
themselves out of my system, only to have the 'awakening' perception gradually 
return.

I have had at least one argument with Barry, and one with you over the past 
half year. Both were very trying, but the net effect for me was about the same. 
The process of the arguments was what was trying, the content really was 
irrelevant, but a lot of energy is required to maintain a point of view. In 
enlightenment one is attempting to get away from a point of view, to become 
boundles

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> I imagine you feel better having got that off your chest.

I don't really know, it just kind of came out. I think I write to explain 
things to myself first, and if others find it useful, that could be a plus. To 
finish something more or less coherently feels nice. All activities have a 
limit that one can sustain, and one either finishes them, or must abandon them. 
It is harder sometimes to abandon something, which indicates that there is some 
kind of hidden attachment to success, that is, there is a hidden fear of 
failure that one is attempting to avoid. Overcoming fear of failure is a 
principal value in the experience of freedom. 
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's internal
> state by external cues. I do not know what Barry's internal state is. I
> for one cannot figure him out, but I am not convinced that projecting my
> hypotheses as an explanation of his behaviour is really to any point.
> >
> > Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also projects her
> own emotional states onto others. I *think* that, but it is an
> hypothesis, because I do not *know* that. I also *think* she does not
> think that she projects her internal states onto the world. But that
> thought might not have any substance to it. There is always ambiguity
> because what people feel and think is not necessarily what they say, nor
> does their behaviour always indicate what is really going on in there.
> >
> > Because the mind fabricates stories to explain things, it is almost
> impossible to interact with the world in a way in which we do not
> project our internal states onto situations, people, things. For example
> you said 'I take offence'. What does that mean? To me, if that happens
> to me, that means that someone said, did something which in some measure
> creates an experience of upset, or displeasure, or something like that,
> which I feel 'inside'. But why did that happen?
> >
> > What would it be inside that results in that reaction? Normally I do
> not 'take offence' at what people say and do. Things happen. That is
> what happens. My internal reactions, if they are unpleasant, have to be
> dealt with, but 'taking offence' is just a posturing of the ego, it is a
> blind and unconscious reaction to something that happens in the world
> that does not fit in with the story our mind has created about the
> world. I know people that take offence at practically everything that
> goes on in the world. It is a peculiar reaction.
> >
> > Culture may have a lot to do with this internal programmed response,
> as some cultures seem to have numerous behaviour patterns that defend
> the ego, such as 'saving face' in Japan. Perhaps this has evolved as a
> way to socially still anger, which seems to be the ego's last defence
> when it gets attacked by the world. Perhaps all of us have some kind of
> emotional damage that we are unconsciously suppressing or protecting.
> >
> > As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some emotional issues,
> but really I am just making that up. If he has such issues, it is not up
> to me to fix them, that is his journey. This is why we are all pursuing
> enlightenment, to 'fix' these issues that drag our lives down. And if
> there are those here who have experienced awakening, particularly not
> quite complete awakening, they clearly know what they are faced with.
> >
> > Rather than try to analyse Barry, I tend to take what he says as a
> lesson. The wide world at large is the master. It does what it does. It
> provides situations we can take as lessons, or take them as attacks on
> our individual level of being. Barry is a part of the world as perceived
> from my point of view, so I can take what he says as a lesson or,
> depending on the content and stance of it, I can take it as something
> that strokes or attacks the ego, something that puffs up or cuts down
> the ego, which is a more unconscious reaction. But if I do not go down
> the lesson route, there will be no growth or deepening of experience; I
> will simply be basking in self-importance or reacting to an affront to
> my little, little self.
> >
> > So from my perspective, I can take Barry as an aspect of guru, of a
> teacher. He is an aspect of reality. My task for myself is to deepen
> enlightenment and understanding. The enlightenment game is a peculiar
> kind of understanding because really there is nothing to understand, but
> the game goes on nonetheless. So if I have a choice, I can assign to
> Barry, or to you, or to Judy, or anyone, the aspect of guru and learn
> from the interaction. If I do not have a choice, it means I am blocked
> somehow, and that is something that needs looking into.
> >
> > I have had some pleasant, short interactions with Barry, and some
> rather rough ones. I have had similar encounters with Judy. Th

[FairfieldLife] A little treat for Curtis

[Rick Archer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LJYLT9TbRew

[FairfieldLife] Tat Wale Baba/Discourse on Self-Realization

[Rick Archer]

"What is the aim of all the beings? It is the attainment of infinite
happiness. A life free from suffering, and the attainment of eternal
happiness is what we want. Now, we should discriminate and analyze if there
is anything in the world which can give us permanent, eternal happiness.
>From the ant up to the giant of the Creator, all are in the field of change,
that is, relative values. Infinite happiness can only come from something
which could be immortal, non-changing, eternal. This which is the goal of
everything, this infinite, is our own Self. And in order to experience that
Self which is the basis of all, we don't have to seek, we don't have to
search, we don't have to make efforts. It's there, present everywhere.
Wherever you are, in whatever reign of time or place, that Self is there -
wherever we are in whatever time. Only, we have to take our awareness to
that level and that is it. Having forgotten that level of life, we are
seeking for that
eternal happiness. That Self is. It is being and it is blissful. Having
forgotten that, we now are seeking for it. We have forgotten what we
ourselves are and we're trying to find that in the world. As long as we
don't enter into that area which is infinite happiness, free from suffering,
so long we will not be free from suffering and we will not get into that
eternal happiness. There is no happiness of significant nature in the world;
the child is gone, and the youth is gone, and the man is old, and even then
he is not fulfilled in the world. When he gets established in the Self, then
automatically freedom from suffering and attainment of bliss will be there.

"That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there already.
Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our
awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You don't
have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent bliss,
satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have come by
now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. Therefore, that
which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the outside.
And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians or
Muslims or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have to
know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience in
the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being which
is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine.
Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our
awareness
deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self,
so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day
life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining in
the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of detaching
ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known It,
then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as
manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just a
matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It.

"Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have
known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful
diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of
giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted
that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous
system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this
relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And, we
will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or in the
next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the
assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it quickly. Why
postpone?"

Tat Wale Baba
Translated from Hindi by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap5d.html

 

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[seventhray1]

Okay.  Didn't sleep too well last night, so ran out of "steam" on the
second big post.  But certainly I enjoy your posting.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I imagine you feel better having got that off your chest.
>
> I don't really know, it just kind of came out. I think I write to
explain things to myself first, and if others find it useful, that could
be a plus. To finish something more or less coherently feels nice. All
activities have a limit that one can sustain, and one either finishes
them, or must abandon them. It is harder sometimes to abandon something,
which indicates that there is some kind of hidden attachment to success,
that is, there is a hidden fear of failure that one is attempting to
avoid. Overcoming fear of failure is a principal value in the experience
of freedom.
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ravi, I was just questioning how deeply we can know someone's
internal
> > state by external cues. I do not know what Barry's internal state
is. I
> > for one cannot figure him out, but I am not convinced that
projecting my
> > hypotheses as an explanation of his behaviour is really to any
point.
> > >
> > > Judy has a very keen intellect, but I do think she also projects
her
> > own emotional states onto others. I *think* that, but it is an
> > hypothesis, because I do not *know* that. I also *think* she does
not
> > think that she projects her internal states onto the world. But that
> > thought might not have any substance to it. There is always
ambiguity
> > because what people feel and think is not necessarily what they say,
nor
> > does their behaviour always indicate what is really going on in
there.
> > >
> > > Because the mind fabricates stories to explain things, it is
almost
> > impossible to interact with the world in a way in which we do not
> > project our internal states onto situations, people, things. For
example
> > you said 'I take offence'. What does that mean? To me, if that
happens
> > to me, that means that someone said, did something which in some
measure
> > creates an experience of upset, or displeasure, or something like
that,
> > which I feel 'inside'. But why did that happen?
> > >
> > > What would it be inside that results in that reaction? Normally I
do
> > not 'take offence' at what people say and do. Things happen. That is
> > what happens. My internal reactions, if they are unpleasant, have to
be
> > dealt with, but 'taking offence' is just a posturing of the ego, it
is a
> > blind and unconscious reaction to something that happens in the
world
> > that does not fit in with the story our mind has created about the
> > world. I know people that take offence at practically everything
that
> > goes on in the world. It is a peculiar reaction.
> > >
> > > Culture may have a lot to do with this internal programmed
response,
> > as some cultures seem to have numerous behaviour patterns that
defend
> > the ego, such as 'saving face' in Japan. Perhaps this has evolved as
a
> > way to socially still anger, which seems to be the ego's last
defence
> > when it gets attacked by the world. Perhaps all of us have some kind
of
> > emotional damage that we are unconsciously suppressing or
protecting.
> > >
> > > As for Turq, Barry, I can hypothesise he has some emotional
issues,
> > but really I am just making that up. If he has such issues, it is
not up
> > to me to fix them, that is his journey. This is why we are all
pursuing
> > enlightenment, to 'fix' these issues that drag our lives down. And
if
> > there are those here who have experienced awakening, particularly
not
> > quite complete awakening, they clearly know what they are faced
with.
> > >
> > > Rather than try to analyse Barry, I tend to take what he says as a
> > lesson. The wide world at large is the master. It does what it does.
It
> > provides situations we can take as lessons, or take them as attacks
on
> > our individual level of being. Barry is a part of the world as
perceived
> > from my point of view, so I can take what he says as a lesson or,
> > depending on the content and stance of it, I can take it as
something
> > that strokes or attacks the ego, something that puffs up or cuts
down
> > the ego, which is a more unconscious reaction. But if I do not go
down
> > the lesson route, there will be no growth or deepening of
experience; I
> > will simply be basking in self-importance or reacting to an affront
to
> > my little, little self.
> > >
> > > So from my perspective, I can take Barry as an aspect of guru, of
a
> > teacher. He is an aspect of reality. My task for myself is to deepen
> > enlightenment and understanding. The enlightenment game is a
peculiar
> > kind of understanding because really there is nothing to understand,
but
> > the game goes on nonetheless. So if I have a choice, I can ass

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba/Discourse on Self-Realization

[seventhray1]

Can this be condensed to "Madame, I am London"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "What is the aim of all the beings? It is the attainment of infinite
> happiness. A life free from suffering, and the attainment of eternal
> happiness is what we want. Now, we should discriminate and analyze if
there
> is anything in the world which can give us permanent, eternal
happiness.
> From the ant up to the giant of the Creator, all are in the field of
change,
> that is, relative values. Infinite happiness can only come from
something
> which could be immortal, non-changing, eternal. This which is the goal
of
> everything, this infinite, is our own Self. And in order to experience
that
> Self which is the basis of all, we don't have to seek, we don't have
to
> search, we don't have to make efforts. It's there, present everywhere.
> Wherever you are, in whatever reign of time or place, that Self is
there -
> wherever we are in whatever time. Only, we have to take our awareness
to
> that level and that is it. Having forgotten that level of life, we are
> seeking for that
> eternal happiness. That Self is. It is being and it is blissful.
Having
> forgotten that, we now are seeking for it. We have forgotten what we
> ourselves are and we're trying to find that in the world. As long as
we
> don't enter into that area which is infinite happiness, free from
suffering,
> so long we will not be free from suffering and we will not get into
that
> eternal happiness. There is no happiness of significant nature in the
world;
> the child is gone, and the youth is gone, and the man is old, and even
then
> he is not fulfilled in the world. When he gets established in the
Self, then
> automatically freedom from suffering and attainment of bliss will be
there.
>
> "That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there
already.
> Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our
> awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You
don't
> have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent
bliss,
> satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have
come by
> now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. Therefore,
that
> which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the
outside.
> And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians
or
> Muslims or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have
to
> know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience
in
> the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being
which
> is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine.
> Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our
> awareness
> deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the
Self,
> so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to
day
> life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining
in
> the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of
detaching
> ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known
It,
> then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as
> manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just
a
> matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It.
>
> "Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we
have
> known that element of the Self, then we have really used this
wonderful
> diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable
of
> giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have
wasted
> that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous
> system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this
> relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And,
we
> will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or
in the
> next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the
> assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it
quickly. Why
> postpone?"
>
> Tat Wale Baba
> Translated from Hindi by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap5d.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 in under 5 minutes

[seekliberation]

I saw the video, and have seen a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theory videos.  I used 
to watch them obsessively.  However, this video is an example of how conspiracy 
theorists lose credibility.  One of his comments are how easy it would've been 
to get F-18's up in the air to take down a commercial airplane within 1 hour.  
The person who made the video apparently doesn't understand what a 'strip 
alert' is, nor the difficulty of communicating between all agencies (pilot, air 
traffic control, and pentagon).  Even if a target is stationary, and the ground 
controller and pilot are both on the same sheet of music, it can still take a 
long time for a pilot to lock on to his target.  Therefore, the theory that 
F-18's could've gone in the sky and shot down the 747's in a matter of 
seconds/minutes is only a theory by someone who is neither a pilot or an 
experienced ground controller.

The destruction of official records was intriguing and very suspect in my 
opinion.  But then he states how easy it should've been to track Bin Laden down 
with what he seems to consider an 'omipotent' intelligence network.  So in 
addition to not talking to pilots or combat air traffic controllers, he also 
failed to talk to anyone trained in military surveillance operations in order 
to determine how easy or difficult it is to track down a terrorist in a country 
like Pakistan.  Finding a specific man in a country full of radical muslims who 
will ambush and kill us is not an easy task.  We've been after Mullah Omar for 
even longer than Bin Laden, and we still can't find him.  

He also goes into some theory that Seal Team 6 who killed bin laden was killed 
later in a helo crash, hinting that our government wanted Bin Laden's killers 
killed.  Again, failure to look into things, there are about 200 operators in 
Seal Team 6.  The same guys who killed bin laden weren't necessarily the same 
guys in that helo, and it is very unlikely that they were.  The time tables 
don't work out for deployment schedules for them to be the same team.  Bin 
Laden was killed in May.  That team is no longer deployed.  The team that was 
killed a couple weeks ago has to be a different team.  Also, there were 
Rangers, Afghan forces, and other spec ops units involved in the operation 
where Seal team 6 personell were killed.  They all would've had to be a part of 
getting seal team 6 killed if there is a conspiracy with their death.  Rangers 
and special forces killing members of Seal Team 6???  These guys are like 
brothers to each other, they're not going to kill their own guys!  

I can tell by this video that public perception is that we have an extremely 
powerful and competent military that is capable of doing and accomplishing 
anything it sets its mind to.  That is a false perception; there is a mass 
incompetence in the military, and solid reasons why Bill Clinton and George 
Bush failed on numerous occasions to kill Bin Laden.  

I know there are reasons to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, but people need to 
do more research and only present facts that can be backed up by people who 
actually know something about the subject being criticized or used as 
information to back up a theory.  Otherwise you risk having your valid points 
being mistrusted due to other blatantly false theories being presented.

seekliberation

Anyway, it's 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> All you wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy in under 5 minutes.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba/Discourse on Self-Realization

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Very nice. Now I can go to bed, rest, and maybe not bother with this forum for 
some days. Thanks for posting this, a special way to end the day.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "What is the aim of all the beings? It is the attainment of infinite
> happiness. A life free from suffering, and the attainment of eternal
> happiness is what we want. Now, we should discriminate and analyze if there
> is anything in the world which can give us permanent, eternal happiness.
> From the ant up to the giant of the Creator, all are in the field of change,
> that is, relative values. Infinite happiness can only come from something
> which could be immortal, non-changing, eternal. This which is the goal of
> everything, this infinite, is our own Self. And in order to experience that
> Self which is the basis of all, we don't have to seek, we don't have to
> search, we don't have to make efforts. It's there, present everywhere.
> Wherever you are, in whatever reign of time or place, that Self is there -
> wherever we are in whatever time. Only, we have to take our awareness to
> that level and that is it. Having forgotten that level of life, we are
> seeking for that
> eternal happiness. That Self is. It is being and it is blissful. Having
> forgotten that, we now are seeking for it. We have forgotten what we
> ourselves are and we're trying to find that in the world. As long as we
> don't enter into that area which is infinite happiness, free from suffering,
> so long we will not be free from suffering and we will not get into that
> eternal happiness. There is no happiness of significant nature in the world;
> the child is gone, and the youth is gone, and the man is old, and even then
> he is not fulfilled in the world. When he gets established in the Self, then
> automatically freedom from suffering and attainment of bliss will be there.
> 
> "That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there already.
> Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our
> awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You don't
> have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent bliss,
> satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have come by
> now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. Therefore, that
> which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the outside.
> And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians or
> Muslims or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have to
> know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience in
> the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being which
> is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine.
> Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our
> awareness
> deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self,
> so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day
> life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining in
> the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of detaching
> ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known It,
> then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as
> manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just a
> matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It.
> 
> "Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have
> known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful
> diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of
> giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted
> that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous
> system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this
> relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And, we
> will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or in the
> next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the
> assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it quickly. Why
> postpone?"
> 
> Tat Wale Baba
> Translated from Hindi by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap5d.html
>

[FairfieldLife] You don't think.....

[seventhray1]

like in a previous life?

http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/Entertainment/Famous-Scientologists/5376/7/

http://www.shantimandir.com/en/about/bhagawan-nityananda.html

[FairfieldLife] everything's got to...

[J]

...there is a place where the 'known', 
and verbal inquiry, and practices,
canNot ever enter, and if it does 
it is corroded, evaporated
instantly...

and with it, the root
of suffering is being burned away...
and all this, 
most and absolutely effortlessly,
and thereby _truly_ not having to do 
a single thing...

the possibility for "being one's own light"
is then blatantly obvious...
and then you can 'kill all the Buddhas'
including the shrinks and the therapist and the
new mini gurusih coaches... 
and one's favourite 
quotes as well...


...but, If one keeps on sticking to one's
-addiction- to verbal inquiry,,,
as some hobby or crutch or promissing pass-time...
I doubt one can ever enter that
place of Life, and bliss without 
a cause...

,but to say more about that 'place'... would be to
grossly trivialize and cheapen it...

,,, but for the entering...
every-single-thing-, has got
to go...

,and... do you -really-,
actually,
_want_ that?

JB
http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/

[FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 Boatlift

[raunchydog]

Thanks for posting this, Judy. Truly, a spectacular rescue. We have heard so 
many stories of 9/11 heroism over the years and each one brings a tear, but I 
have never heard of Boatlift. I wonder if whoever ordered the bridges and 
tunnels closed weighed the consequences of trapping 500,000 people in lower 
Manhattan without an evacuation plan. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> If you don't watch another minute of the 10th anniversary
> coverage, you gotta watch this. It's a beautifully done 
> 12-minute documentary about the volunteer evacuation of
> lower Manhattan by boat--ferries, tugboats, pleasure craft,
> fishing boats, Coast Guard cutters,just about anything that
> floated. More than 500,000 people in nine hours, 13 times
> as many as at Dunkirk.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo
> 
> This has a bit of the background:
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eddie-rosenstein/tom-hanks-narrates-boatlift_b_956529.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3paunzu
> 
> It's a feel-good story in the best sense of the term.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: construction Beej mantras

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa  wrote:

> 
> *but no "OM"  im TM , i no use OM in Tm MMY no **advises**

 
* * From the Book of Dzyan (Astral Edition): "Doubtless some of Us ever 
resonate with the pranava beej, while others of Us may ever resonate with the 
sonava beej."

Editor's note: The precise meaning and etymology of "Sonava" remains somewhat 
obscure, but is perhaps cognate with the Catalan and Italian "sonava" meaning 
"he (or she or it) sounded, made a noise" ...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba/Discourse on Self-Realization

[merudanda]

"seventhray1"  wrote: Can this be condensed to
"Madame, I am London"or whatever your Hindu village is called
snip
A zen master was walking down a path, with two students, and they came
upon an elephant sitting in the path. The zen master poked it with a
stick and it did not move. The master asked the students "What is up
with this thing, why is it such a douchebag"
(Science News article on the dangers of
douching)http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/data/1999/15501/15501-12.\
pdf [:D]
  And then he walked around it, each of the student (d)touching 
different part of the elephant with their hand and mind (searching for
answer of the Master inqiring question "why is it such a douchebag" e.g.
a winnowing basket (ear), a plowshare (tusk), a plow (trunk), a granary
(body), a pillar (foot), a mortar (back), a pestle (tail) or a brush
(tip of the tail))-
while following eagerly  the master close behind.
Such is the way of the tao?

The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean, [;)]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba/Discourse on Self-Realization

[merudanda]

An attempt at honesty without the facade of objectivity?.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
> Very nice. Now I can go to bed, rest, and maybe not bother with this
forum for some days. Thanks for posting this, a special way to end the
day.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > "What is the aim of all the beings? It is the attainment of infinite
> > happiness. A life free from suffering, and the attainment of eternal
> > happiness is what we want. Now, we should discriminate and analyze
if there
> > is anything in the world which can give us permanent, eternal
happiness.
> > From the ant up to the giant of the Creator, all are in the field of
change,
> > that is, relative values. Infinite happiness can only come from
something
> > which could be immortal, non-changing, eternal. This which is the
goal of
> > everything, this infinite, is our own Self. And in order to
experience that
> > Self which is the basis of all, we don't have to seek, we don't have
to
> > search, we don't have to make efforts. It's there, present
everywhere.
> > Wherever you are, in whatever reign of time or place, that Self is
there -
> > wherever we are in whatever time. Only, we have to take our
awareness to
> > that level and that is it. Having forgotten that level of life, we
are
> > seeking for that
> > eternal happiness. That Self is. It is being and it is blissful.
Having
> > forgotten that, we now are seeking for it. We have forgotten what we
> > ourselves are and we're trying to find that in the world. As long as
we
> > don't enter into that area which is infinite happiness, free from
suffering,
> > so long we will not be free from suffering and we will not get into
that
> > eternal happiness. There is no happiness of significant nature in
the world;
> > the child is gone, and the youth is gone, and the man is old, and
even then
> > he is not fulfilled in the world. When he gets established in the
Self, then
> > automatically freedom from suffering and attainment of bliss will be
there.
> >
> > "That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there
already.
> > Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our
> > awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there.
You don't
> > have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent
bliss,
> > satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have
come by
> > now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not.
Therefore, that
> > which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the
outside.
> > And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs;
Christians or
> > Muslims or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you
have to
> > know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we
experience in
> > the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal
being which
> > is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine.
> > Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring
our
> > awareness
> > deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to
the Self,
> > so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to
day
> > life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented;
remaining in
> > the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of
detaching
> > ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known
It,
> > then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced
as
> > manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is
just a
> > matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It.
> >
> > "Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we
have
> > known that element of the Self, then we have really used this
wonderful
> > diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable
of
> > giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have
wasted
> > that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human
nervous
> > system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in
this
> > relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss.
And, we
> > will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or
in the
> > next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the
> > assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it
quickly. Why
> > postpone?"
> >
> > Tat Wale Baba
> > Translated from Hindi by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap5d.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Obummer...again

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote:
>
>  
> Hats off to  Sherry! 
> Sherry  Hackett, wife of the late Buddy Hackett, is a  dyed-in-the-wool  
> Democrat.  I would think that many other Democrats share  her position...
>   
> This  was written by Sherry Hackett, Buddy Hackett's  widow
> "WE  NOTICED"
> 

Blah, blah, blah...Don't Republicans ever get sick of hearing themselves say 
the same old talking points over and over? Instead of "noticing" Obama's 
gaffes, which are the least of his shortcomings, they should give him big wet 
kisses and welcome him into the fold as a fellow Republican for continuing 
Bush's policies, but they're too stupid to "notice."  Ingrates.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: "The Guard"

[merudanda]

Just watched it -- you should have warned me not to eat our traditional
moon cake today watching this film... [:D]
"I'm Irish. Racism is part of my culture."lol
A Drop Of The Hard Stuff'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6k1lml4AvE
seen that?
In Bruges
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As often happens for me with "small treasure" movies, I found my way
to
> this one by following an obscure lead. I've been an unabashed fan of
> Brendan Gleeson since "Six Shooter" and "In Bruges," and put this film
> on my Look For list some time ago after following a link on the IMDB.
> All I knew about it was that Brendan Gleeson was in it, and that was
> enough.
>
> It remained enough for about the first ten minutes of the movie, and
> then I had a suspicion, occasioned by the quality of the writing. I
put
> the movie on pause and looked it up on the IMDB, suspecting it might
> have been by Martin McDonagh, writer-director of "In Bruges." Close.
> It's written and directed by his brother, John Michael McDonagh.
Talent
> clearly runs in the family.
>
> This is a really funny movie, in the way that only Irish films can be
> funny. That is, black humor that is occasionally so dark that you are
> almost ashamed to be laughing at it, but you just can't help yourself.
> Also, the humor is quirky, and plays with conventions. For example,
this
> is essentially a "buddy cop" movie, with Gleeson playing back-country
> Irish cop Gerry Boyle, and Don Cheadle playing uptight American FBI
> agent Wendell Everett. Shown photos of the drug smugglers Everett is
> after, Boyle's first comment on seeing four white faces is, "I thought
> only black lads were drug dealers. Or Mexican." Informed by his
> superiors and by Everett that his 'tude is racist, Boyle says, "I'm
> Irish. Racism is part of my culture." So, however, is being honest,
> which makes Boyle the only cop not on the take in the Galway area, and
> that leads to him and Everett teaming up to take out the bad guys.
>
> This is a good movie, and I recommend it without reservation. Brendan
> Gleeson just walks away with this movie. I'm sure it's destined to
> become a cult favorite in the buddy cop genre. It's like a Quentin
> Tarantino movie, but with better dialogue. Ponder that.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
> <%20http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pk6s-PRUE
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 Boatlift

[Denise Evans]

Also thank you Judy...I hadn't seen this or the History docu...very moving and 
personal.

--- On Sun, 9/11/11, raunchydog  wrote:

From: raunchydog 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 Boatlift
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 8:45 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  Thanks for posting this, Judy. Truly, a spectacular rescue. We have heard 
so many stories of 9/11 heroism over the years and each one brings a tear, but 
I have never heard of Boatlift. I wonder if whoever ordered the bridges and 
tunnels closed weighed the consequences of trapping 500,000 people in lower 
Manhattan without an evacuation plan. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

>

> If you don't watch another minute of the 10th anniversary

> coverage, you gotta watch this. It's a beautifully done 

> 12-minute documentary about the volunteer evacuation of

> lower Manhattan by boat--ferries, tugboats, pleasure craft,

> fishing boats, Coast Guard cutters,just about anything that

> floated. More than 500,000 people in nine hours, 13 times

> as many as at Dunkirk.

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo

> 

> This has a bit of the background:

> 

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eddie-rosenstein/tom-hanks-narrates-boatlift_b_956529.html

> 

> http://tinyurl.com/3paunzu

> 

> It's a feel-good story in the best sense of the term.

>






 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: "The Guard"

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> Just watched it -- you should have warned me not to eat our 
> traditional moon cake today watching this film... [:D]

My bad. You should not eat or drink anything 
while watching "The Guard" that you do not want
spewed all over the room as you get caught in
an unexpected spasm of laughter. 

> "I'm Irish. Racism is part of my culture."lol
> A Drop Of The Hard Stuff'
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6k1lml4AvE
> seen that?

Vedy British humor.

> In Bruges
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/

One of my all-time faves, easily on my Top Ten 
list, one of the "gold standard" films in terms
of what constitutes a good script, acting, and
direction. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As often happens for me with "small treasure" movies, I found my way
> to
> > this one by following an obscure lead. I've been an unabashed fan of
> > Brendan Gleeson since "Six Shooter" and "In Bruges," and put this film
> > on my Look For list some time ago after following a link on the IMDB.
> > All I knew about it was that Brendan Gleeson was in it, and that was
> > enough.
> >
> > It remained enough for about the first ten minutes of the movie, and
> > then I had a suspicion, occasioned by the quality of the writing. I
> put
> > the movie on pause and looked it up on the IMDB, suspecting it might
> > have been by Martin McDonagh, writer-director of "In Bruges." Close.
> > It's written and directed by his brother, John Michael McDonagh.
> Talent
> > clearly runs in the family.
> >
> > This is a really funny movie, in the way that only Irish films can be
> > funny. That is, black humor that is occasionally so dark that you are
> > almost ashamed to be laughing at it, but you just can't help yourself.
> > Also, the humor is quirky, and plays with conventions. For example,
> this
> > is essentially a "buddy cop" movie, with Gleeson playing back-country
> > Irish cop Gerry Boyle, and Don Cheadle playing uptight American FBI
> > agent Wendell Everett. Shown photos of the drug smugglers Everett is
> > after, Boyle's first comment on seeing four white faces is, "I thought
> > only black lads were drug dealers. Or Mexican." Informed by his
> > superiors and by Everett that his 'tude is racist, Boyle says, "I'm
> > Irish. Racism is part of my culture." So, however, is being honest,
> > which makes Boyle the only cop not on the take in the Galway area, and
> > that leads to him and Everett teaming up to take out the bad guys.
> >
> > This is a good movie, and I recommend it without reservation. Brendan
> > Gleeson just walks away with this movie. I'm sure it's destined to
> > become a cult favorite in the buddy cop genre. It's like a Quentin
> > Tarantino movie, but with better dialogue. Ponder that.
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
> > <%20http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/>
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pk6s-PRUE
> > 
> >
>