Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)
Dear Robin: I very much appreciate your response as it helped me to articulate within myself what the concept is and how I might think of it. What you say is largely consistent with the idea that compassion as a concept is ultimately a virtue, so to speak (although *virtue* does not really do the concept justice either in that it doesn't capture the depth and breadth of the idea), and perhaps unattainable in that respect. As a term, it is used interchangeably with empathetic or sympathetic, as you mention, and those are better descriptors for the kind of behavior attributed to a person acting out of compassion, for example. I have been batting the word around in my head, along with the word forgiveness for some months now. Amma was supposed to embody compassion and I really wanted to know what compassion felt like through a supposed saint, but I couldn't recognize such a feeling in her hug - my expectations were probably a bit high :) Interestingly, this was a comment on the Buddha at the Gas Pump's comment page for his latest interview by a poster named Valentino. The depth of one’s compassion only comes from the depth of one’s personal experience with suffering. By fully being, experiencing, embracing, feeling and processing through one’s own suffering, that allows a person to relate to suffering of others. However if you use spiritual teachings as a method to confuse, avoid, deny, distract, bypass, dissociate, and/or hide from your own suffering, then you have little compassion for yourself let alone for anyone else. On another topic, I looked through my books and lo and behold, I found some poetry. Not much...Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, Denise Levertov, Spoon River Anthology and a book of Major American Poets, which includes a sampling from many. So, I started with Emily Dickinson and was soon depressed. But, after reading of her life on the ever-helpful Wikipedia, I can appreciate her more. Anyhow, it is all good for my recovery. Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question. ~Em From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Robin: Can you explain this statement below? I cut it out of the post it was in, but think that it can stand on its own without the surrounding context of what you were discussing then (the SC quote) - however I may be wrong there. Are you saying simply that *man's existence and behavior* does not demonstrate compassion and that *the use of the word* is unwarranted, in this respect (in the 21st century)? Or, are you saying something else? [Robin: Just my own bias here, Emily, but I find the use of the word compassion—almost in any context inside 21st Century existence—unreal and unmeaning.] Wiki discussion of compassion for different religions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion Dear Emily, Your posts have become so good that I feel much more drawn to praising you for what you are now contributing to FFL rather than trying to answer your question here about compassion. I remember writing this, but after reading the wikepedia definition you provide here I think I have been outthought on this one, and that it would be better for me to just shut up about my problem with the reality of compassion. I think in some very specific sense I have always felt that compassion was too profound an idea to really connect up with the experience of any single human being. There is a depth there in the meaning of the word which makes it seem beyond what is humanly possible to experience. The Dalai Lama is said to be the embodiment of compassion—and I remember a friend of mine attending one of his lectures and insisting to me that he (the DL) radiated so much compassion that the entire auditorium filled up with the energy and light of this compassion. An aura of compassion, then, seemingly physicalized. But I don't know to what extent this kind of mystical compassion (ever heard Tibetan chanting? Doesn't sound like something close to what it means to be a human being—that is, to me. Like so much about the East it feels alien and impersonal) can be effectively translated into acts of grace and unselfishness—at least inside the natural movement of the human personality. I think compassion tends to have the ring of something very praiseworthy and noble and spiritual, but that I have not seen (I speak for myself only here) the display of this trait inside the personal actions of any human being I have met. I understand empathy, sympathy, unselfishness, generosity, feeling the pain and suffering of others. It is just, Emily, if someone told me: So and so is a compassionate person, I would tend to think that person was constructing and performing an act
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) - again
Whoops - a few corrections and I forgot the simple poem. Ha. I'm nobody. Who are you? Are you nobody too? Then there's a pair of us. Don't tell - they'd banish us, you know. How dreary to be somebody, How public - like a frog - To tell your name the livelong June To an admiring bog. ~Emily Dickinson From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) Dear Robin: I very much appreciate your response as it helped me to articulate within myself what the concept is and how I might think of it. What you say is largely consistent with the idea that compassion as a concept is ultimately a virtue, so to speak (although *virtue* does not really do the concept justice either in that it doesn't capture the depth and breadth of the idea), and perhaps unattainable in that respect. As a term, it is used interchangeably with empathetic or sympathetic, as you mention, and those are better descriptors for the kind of behavior attributed to a person acting out of compassion, for example. I have been batting the word around in my head, along with the word forgiveness for some months now. Amma was supposed to embody compassion and I really wanted to know what compassion felt like through a supposed saint, but I couldn't recognize such a feeling in her hug - my expectations were probably a bit high :) Interestingly, this was a comment on the Buddha at the Gas Pump's comment page for Rick's latest interview by a poster named Valentino. The depth of one’s compassion only comes from the depth of one’s personal experience with suffering. By fully being, experiencing, embracing, feeling and processing through one’s own suffering, that allows a person to relate to suffering of others. However if you use spiritual teachings as a method to confuse, avoid, deny, distract, bypass, dissociate, and/or hide from your own suffering, then you have little compassion for yourself let alone for anyone else. On another topic, I looked through my books and lo and behold, I found some poetry. Not much...Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, Denise Levertov, Spoon River Anthology and a book of Major American Poets, which includes a sampling from many. So, I started with Emily Dickinson and was soon depressed. But, after reading of her life on the ever-helpful Wikipedia, I can appreciate her more. Anyhow, it is all good for my recovery. Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question. ~Em From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Robin: Can you explain this statement below? I cut it out of the post it was in, but think that it can stand on its own without the surrounding context of what you were discussing then (the SC quote) - however I may be wrong there. Are you saying simply that *man's existence and behavior* does not demonstrate compassion and that *the use of the word* is unwarranted, in this respect (in the 21st century)? Or, are you saying something else? [Robin: Just my own bias here, Emily, but I find the use of the word compassion—almost in any context inside 21st Century existence—unreal and unmeaning.] Wiki discussion of compassion for different religions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion Dear Emily, Your posts have become so good that I feel much more drawn to praising you for what you are now contributing to FFL rather than trying to answer your question here about compassion. I remember writing this, but after reading the wikepedia definition you provide here I think I have been outthought on this one, and that it would be better for me to just shut up about my problem with the reality of compassion. I think in some very specific sense I have always felt that compassion was too profound an idea to really connect up with the experience of any single human being. There is a depth there in the meaning of the word which makes it seem beyond what is humanly possible to experience. The Dalai Lama is said to be the embodiment of compassion—and I remember a friend of mine attending one of his lectures and insisting to me that he (the DL) radiated so much compassion that the entire auditorium filled up with the energy and light of this compassion. An aura of compassion, then, seemingly physicalized. But I don't know to what extent this kind of mystical compassion (ever heard Tibetan chanting? Doesn't sound like something close to what it means to be a human being—that is, to me. Like so much about the East it feels alien and impersonal) can be effectively translated into acts of grace and unselfishness—at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) - again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Whoops - a few corrections and I forgot the simple poem. Ha. I'm nobody. Who are you? Are you nobody too? Then there's a pair of us. Don't tell - they'd banish us, you know. How dreary to be somebody, How public - like a frog - To tell your name the livelong June To an admiring bog. ~Emily Dickinson Reminds me of a quote by that great Christian philosopher G.W. Chesterton that I found again today: All men are ordinary men; the extraordinary men are those who know it. What could possibly be more BORING than considering oneself special? Other than trying desperately to prove it, that is. :-) If you don't know Chesterton, he's a fine and precise thinker, but more important he's that rarest of things in the world of religious or philosophical thought -- funny. Two more of his quotes, to illustrate: Seriousness is not a virtue. Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned Vaj nor defended him. I would fully expect that, since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have little to say about the subject. Were you expecting something else? Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that hanging with the Robster constituted three of the most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might actually have something to say about WHY she feels that way. But she hasn't said it. I'm honestly curious. I know first-hand what it's like to hang with a powerfully charismatic teacher (although I seriously doubt that RWC could ever be referred to using that phrase). Even if history later suggests that the individual was merely a narcissist experiencing fleeting states of attention (and/or psychosis) and inflicting them on others, filtering them through his or her own personal samskaras, it can be a helluva ride. But awoelflebater has said nothing about the *nature* of the ride she presumably paid E-ticket prices for over three years. WHAT made those three years exciting or interesting? WHAT benefits does she feel that she derived, at the time, and WHAT made her believe that she was receiving them? Did any of these perceived benefits linger, or persist once she was not in the presence of the char- ismatic teacher/speaker/abuser/con man? I could certainly speak to such issues with regard to Rama - Fred Lenz. That was a helluva ride, too, one that I actually enjoyed for a time. I'm wondering why awoelflebater doesn't seem to speak about the WHY she chose to follow RWC around for a while, that's all. Vaj never made that choice; his interaction with Robin (if believed) was that of a skeptical observer from start to finish. Awoelflebater seems to be speaking more from the POV of a RWC True Believer. I'm curious as to what she felt there was to believe IN. I have certainly never seen it, either in his writing or speaking at the time back in Fairfield, on in his writing here. So it's difficult for me to fathom WHY anyone would have ever signed on for a three-year hitch. Vaj is not in a position to provide that kind of information; she is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned Vaj nor defended him. I would fully expect that, since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have little to say about the subject. Were you expecting something else? Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that hanging with the Robster constituted three of the most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might actually have something to say about WHY she feels that way. But she hasn't said it. I'm honestly curious. I know first-hand what it's like to hang with a powerfully charismatic teacher (although I seriously doubt that RWC could ever be referred to using that phrase). Even if history later suggests that the individual was merely a narcissist experiencing fleeting states of attention (and/or psychosis) and inflicting them on others, filtering them through his or her own personal samskaras, it can be a helluva ride. But awoelflebater has said nothing about the *nature* of the ride she presumably paid E-ticket prices for over three years. WHAT made those three years exciting or interesting? WHAT benefits does she feel that she derived, at the time, and WHAT made her believe that she was receiving them? Did any of these perceived benefits linger, or persist once she was not in the presence of the char- ismatic teacher/speaker/abuser/con man? I could certainly speak to such issues with regard to Rama - Fred Lenz. That was a helluva ride, too, one that I actually enjoyed for a time. I'm wondering why awoelflebater doesn't seem to speak about the WHY she chose to follow RWC around for a while, that's all. Vaj never made that choice; his interaction with Robin (if believed) was that of a skeptical observer from start to finish. Awoelflebater seems to be speaking more from the POV of a RWC True Believer. Vaj claims to know Robin but has never described a single circumstance of his interaction with him that would make his claim credible. How come you got your panties in a knot over awoelfle's hinting about her RWC days, while your buddy Vaj has done nothing but *hint* about his RWC days? The hypocrisy of your demand that awoelfle stop hinting seems to elude you. I'm curious as to what she felt there was to believe IN. I have certainly never seen it, either in his writing or speaking at the time back in Fairfield, on in his writing here. So it's difficult for me to fathom WHY anyone would have ever signed on for a three-year hitch. Vaj is not in a position to provide that kind of information; she is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned Vaj nor defended him. I would fully expect that, since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have little to say about the subject. Were you expecting something else? Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that hanging with the Robster constituted three of the most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might actually have something to say about WHY she feels that way. But she hasn't said it. I'm honestly curious. I know first-hand what it's like to hang with a powerfully charismatic teacher (although I seriously doubt that RWC could ever be referred to using that phrase). Even if history later suggests that the individual was merely a narcissist experiencing fleeting states of attention (and/or psychosis) and inflicting them on others, filtering them through his or her own personal samskaras, it can be a helluva ride. But awoelflebater has said nothing about the *nature* of the ride she presumably paid E-ticket prices for over three years. WHAT made those three years exciting or interesting? WHAT benefits does she feel that she derived, at the time, and WHAT made her believe that she was receiving them? Did any of these perceived benefits linger, or persist once she was not in the presence of the char- ismatic teacher/speaker/abuser/con man? I could certainly speak to such issues with regard to Rama - Fred Lenz. That was a helluva ride, too, one that I actually enjoyed for a time. I'm wondering why awoelflebater doesn't seem to speak about the WHY she chose to follow RWC around for a while, that's all. Vaj never made that choice; his interaction with Robin (if believed) was that of a skeptical observer from start to finish. Awoelflebater seems to be speaking more from the POV of a RWC True Believer. Vaj claims to know Robin but has never described a single circumstance of his interaction with him that would make his claim credible. How come you got your panties in a knot over awoelfle's hinting about her RWC days, while your buddy Vaj has done nothing but *hint* about his RWC days? The hypocrisy of your demand that awoelfle stop hinting seems to elude you. Get a fuckin' life, Raunchy. I have ZERO interest in your Judy-fueled Vaj is not to be believed because we claim he was never a TMer vendetta. That's YOUR schtick, and as said before I don't buy it. I think it's just you and others trying Yet Again to find some way to pre-demonize a TM critic. I thought I explained fairly clearly why awoelfle's Tales of Robin would be more interesting than Vaj's. He has never presented himself as anything but a critic; she was a True Believer. Because I've
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. That's because the FBI files are about facts; who does what when. Then there's the analysis on how dangerous this could be for our nation; is there a hidden threat ? There is no room for what it is like or feeling. It's not their business. And rightly so since they must be levelheaded. Since Vaj gets his information from these files and was never in the vincinity of Robin, there is no way he could know what is was like.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. That's because the FBI files are about facts; who does what when. Then there's the analysis on how dangerous this could be for our nation; is there a hidden threat ? There is no room for what it is like or feeling. It's not their business. And rightly so since they must be levelheaded. Since Vaj gets his information from these files and was never in the vincinity of Robin, there is no way he could know what is was like. Sorta like what Maitreya is really like or what it feels like to be around him, eh Nabs? :-) I mean, dude...you've been tied to the coattails of the planet's most discredited spiritual con man for decades now, and you've never seen or experienced his long- predicted Maitreya, either. All you've ever experienced is *his* version of FBI files about the myth that he made up 37 years ago, promising that Maitreya would show up any day now. Well, he's never showed up. I'd say that you continuing to believe that he either exists or that he'll *ever* show up is more like how you describe Vaj pouring over FBI files than it is any kind of real spiritual experience. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
I couldn't find your picture - but maybe I'll eventually figure it out. I have talked briefly to Robin here (compared to the occasional lengthy responses I get from him). IMO it was actually nice to know he was still alive and kicking, and the rumors of his demise were horribly exaggerated. And getting to hang a little here has been fun although sometimes challenging. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. What you seem to be keeping alive is your interest, maybe even your obsession, with Robin Woodsworth Carlsen. He appears on FFL and you are all over it. You have written more words to and about this man than is normal for someone who is not harbouring some deep-seated, insatiable hunger to provoke and engage him. You are in denial if you can not admit this. Take two weeks, it will take you about that amount of time, to re-read all the words, words, words that you have volleyed his way. I see this as having kept something alive. This old laundry thing, now I guarantee that if I sent you one of my old WTS tapes of big juicy confrontations, manifestations and all the other goodies that are on it, you would throw it into your VHS player (if you still had such a relic) with gusto. I agree that you have virtually forgotten your experience with WTS if your descriptions of the processes i.e. confrontations are any indication. I've never been an angry person. No comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:16 PM, awoelflebater wrote: Perhaps we knew each other at one time? I'd suspect that's very likely. If you are an American then for sure I would know you if you were witness to many cosmic confrontations including confronting Robin. However, when being confronted by him it was by default reciprocal. It was a two way confrontation. Like watching ping pong, back and forth, back and forth. True. I am also not quite sure of your motivation for keeping all of this alive for 25 years. Keeping all what alive? This is old laundry. Not very interesting at all. Except for voyeurs who like to watch such things as people tossing old stuff. For you to do so it must have been a very traumatic experience. I can understand that. It was not a traumatic experience for me in the least. I had a great time. But it's something virtually forgotten...and like old laundry, not worth devoting too much time to. Being asked to sort thru my old laundry for interesting pieces is what seems odd to me. If some of that old laundry involves people I cared for, I'm even less likely to hang it out to dry. You on the other hand seem happy to talk about it. And that's fine too. What I can not quite understand is the need to carry it for so long. But then your description of a confrontation on the stage sounds like someone who has either never been there, has a faulty memory or is fishing to find out if I am the real thing. Either way I am happy to answer your questions but hopefully you are wanting them answered in order to close the book on your anger. I've never been an angry person, so again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. My last experience with Robin - or Robindra as I often refer to him - was one always recalled as a moment of hilarity. It's virtually impossible for any of those present to keep from falling into laughter.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:18 PM, emptybill wrote: The reality is that I practice TM/TM-Sidhi So you actually still do your program? Or was that meant to be past tense?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. But now we've got someone on the forum who claims to have been there on the front lines for three years. Seems to me a person as com- mitted to his own first person ontology and exposing it to challenges as RWC has claimed to be would be happy to interact with such a person. Shouldn't he be at least interested in getting his long-overdue Report Card as a spiritual teacher? Now wouldn't THAT be a confrontation worth watching? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. For what its worth I think it is most likely that Vaj had direct experience with Robin, although perhaps not as extensive as your own. I suggest contacting him offline, as he has invited, if you want to discuss old times, you wont get much on this public board. But for me, again if I have it right, you are a delightfully colorful bright addition who could definitely add to the mix if you choose to spend some time writing here. I hope you do. But take your time and decide how many cards you want to show here in public. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. But now we've got someone on the forum who claims to have been there on the front lines for three years. Seems to me a person as com- mitted to his own first person ontology and exposing it to challenges as RWC has claimed to be would be happy to interact with such a person. Shouldn't he be at least interested in getting his long-overdue Report Card as a spiritual teacher? Now wouldn't THAT be a confrontation worth watching? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. Good point. And really, anyone who let themselves enter into confrontation - often in front of groups of others - had to not only be ready to dive in head first, completely, nakedly vulnerable - there had to be some belief that that process actually held some evolutionary value. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) No, often such end states were very cathartic or the resolution was one that dramatically affected the persons physical appearance and their presence in the room. At the successful resolution of confrontation, the audience benefitted from that resolution as well. But my feeling is that this style of catharsis will only work on a small subset of people who are hypnotically very suggestible - esp. R's various manifestations where he would manifest certain ontological states, like a ride in Indra's chariot (my personal fave) or the nervous systems experience of initial awakening, etc., etc. It's a long list. This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. True. And I do remember hearing word of this expose, but don't recall ever reading it. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. That would be interesting for him/her to share. The only person I know who currently has expressed some significant value from confrontation was Rory. I also suspect that this is part of Rory's interest in the Chod: it developed from the insights he was able to achieve. But from my own perspective one is an incredibly powerful practice for awakening and also for integrating the shadow, the other less so or not at all. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. Well there is a possibility R. has contacted an old friend to chime in. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. Yeah, that's the key flaw, he actually believes/believed Judy's strawmen are real. Although at some point, he seemed to awaken to the Strawman Queen's nature. But now we've got someone on the forum who claims to have been there on the front lines for three years. Seems to me a person as com- mitted to his own first person ontology and exposing it to challenges as RWC has claimed to be would be happy to interact with such a person. Shouldn't he be at least interested in getting his long-overdue Report Card as a spiritual teacher? Now wouldn't THAT be a confrontation worth watching? :-) Like I said, this could be an old friend who's let by-gones be by- gones, or it could be a disgruntled demonic former student who's freshly arrived from hell. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@... wrote: Did anyone else see this video on YouTube, titled Art of Levitation Unleashed by Nithyananda? It looks like a direct copy of the TMO levitation technique, complete with skinny, flexible, lotus-sitting hopping and shaking about, with an Indian voice narrative that is very OOGA BOOGA sounding. The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Hey Curtis, I thought my name was right out there - Ann Woelfle. It all sounds right, your MIU memories but I would have to look at a yearbook to put a face to your name. I was really good friends with Marny and Mike and Lenny and Ron and lots of others. Even worked at Peggy O'Neils back in the day. I remember when Andy Kaufman was in town and he had a visit down there to the restaurant and stayed for an after-party. I remember quite vividly dancing like a maniac to the B-52's. He actually dated Pam Paradowski for a while. Anyway, hi. As fun as this has been I might not stick around this site, however. I'm not really interested in anonymous shenanigans or guessing games. I don't mind talking about my Robin days but really don't like the negativity coming off of some of the posts. It is so easy to goof around on the internet, become someone else, say and act in ways you would never dream of to someone's face. Not really my thing. But thanks for making this connection. I take it you didn't attend the MIU reunion in Santa Barbara a couple of years ago? I went and saw hundreds of people I hadn't seen for 30 years. Peggy O'Neil and Josie Batorski organized it. I am choosing carefully what posts I will read in future, whether the title is wow or not. But thank you for your good-natured post, I appreciate it and will look you up in that yearbook. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. For what its worth I think it is most likely that Vaj had direct experience with Robin, although perhaps not as extensive as your own. I suggest contacting him offline, as he has invited, if you want to discuss old times, you wont get much on this public board. But for me, again if I have it right, you are a delightfully colorful bright addition who could definitely add to the mix if you choose to spend some time writing here. I hope you do. But take your time and decide how many cards you want to show here in public. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Oh go suck an egg, you old fart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UtoZhKdww4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned Vaj nor defended him. I would fully expect that, since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have little to say about the subject. Were you expecting something else? Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that hanging with the Robster constituted three of the most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might actually have something to say about WHY she feels that way. But she hasn't said it. I'm honestly curious. I know first-hand what it's like to hang with a powerfully charismatic teacher (although I seriously doubt that RWC could ever be referred to using that phrase). Even if history later suggests that the individual was merely a narcissist experiencing fleeting states of attention (and/or psychosis) and inflicting them on others, filtering them through his or her own personal samskaras, it can be a helluva ride. But awoelflebater has said nothing about the *nature* of the ride she presumably paid E-ticket prices for over three years. WHAT made those three years exciting or interesting? WHAT benefits does she feel that she derived, at the time, and WHAT made her believe that she was receiving them? Did any of these perceived benefits linger, or persist once she was not in the presence of the char- ismatic teacher/speaker/abuser/con man? I could certainly speak to such issues with regard to Rama - Fred Lenz. That was a helluva ride, too, one that I actually enjoyed for a time. I'm wondering why awoelflebater doesn't seem to speak about the WHY she chose to follow RWC around for a while, that's all. Vaj never made that choice; his interaction with Robin (if believed) was that of a skeptical observer from start to finish. Awoelflebater seems to be speaking more from the POV of a RWC True Believer. Vaj claims to know Robin but has never described a single circumstance of his interaction with him that would make his claim credible. How come you got your panties in a knot over awoelfle's hinting about her RWC days, while your buddy Vaj has done nothing but *hint* about his RWC days? The hypocrisy of your demand that awoelfle stop hinting seems to elude you. Get a fuckin' life, Raunchy. I have ZERO interest in your Judy-fueled Vaj is not to be believed because we claim he was never a TMer vendetta. That's YOUR schtick, and as said before I don't buy it. I think it's just you and others trying Yet Again
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:58 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. Was that the Plato class where Shearer compared subjective experiences of the Sun, Moon and Polestar sidhis to the Myth of Er?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, awoelflebater wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? I recognize your middle name and seem to remember a male relative?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Jon Stewart on SOPA: turquoiseb: So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Well, at least one FFL respondent does not realize or fails to understand that that the case cited below is a FEDERAL case! A federal jury Thursday slapped a local flea market with a $3.6 million award to the designer brand Louis Vuitton for allowing vendors to sell knockoffs of its products... Read more: 'Bogus goods to cost flea market $3.6 million' San Antonio Express News: http://tinyurl.com/85ppdhn Going down the slippery slope of censorship... Read more: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2022/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Hi Ann, I had totally guessed wrong! Thanks for your response. We weren't buddies at MIU but I do remember you now that I've seen your pic. The yearbooks are all online at:http://www.mum.edu/pdf_yearbooks/ My last name begins with M. I keep it off this board because I work under a stage name and like to keep the worlds from colliding! Andy blew our minds back in '75! In retrospect I understand how cool it all was but it was all a bit much for me back then. And I do remember his connection with Pam. Peggy is rocking the corporate lecture circuit, what an exceptional human. I haven't seen her in years but checked out her Website. Mine is at curtis (no space here) blues dot com I didn't make it to the reunion but heard about it and envy your going. I had gigs then, but would have otherwise loved to have seen everybody. We were such an unusual bunch weren't we? As far as I have drifted from the movement, I never regret that I did collage sober! MIU was great for me even if I have lost all my spiritual perspective since then. My sister is buddies with Josie who is doing fascinating work for child actors in Cali. FFL can be an interesting place to write into. But it isn't for everybody that's for sure. I'm glad you dropped in and you will always have eager readers for any perspectives you have on your life's journey here,Robin oriented or not. It has helped me integrate parts of my past with who I am now. All the best, Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Hey Curtis, I thought my name was right out there - Ann Woelfle. It all sounds right, your MIU memories but I would have to look at a yearbook to put a face to your name. I was really good friends with Marny and Mike and Lenny and Ron and lots of others. Even worked at Peggy O'Neils back in the day. I remember when Andy Kaufman was in town and he had a visit down there to the restaurant and stayed for an after-party. I remember quite vividly dancing like a maniac to the B-52's. He actually dated Pam Paradowski for a while. Anyway, hi. As fun as this has been I might not stick around this site, however. I'm not really interested in anonymous shenanigans or guessing games. I don't mind talking about my Robin days but really don't like the negativity coming off of some of the posts. It is so easy to goof around on the internet, become someone else, say and act in ways you would never dream of to someone's face. Not really my thing. But thanks for making this connection. I take it you didn't attend the MIU reunion in Santa Barbara a couple of years ago? I went and saw hundreds of people I hadn't seen for 30 years. Peggy O'Neil and Josie Batorski organized it. I am choosing carefully what posts I will read in future, whether the title is wow or not. But thank you for your good-natured post, I appreciate it and will look you up in that yearbook. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. For what its worth I think it is most likely that Vaj had direct experience with Robin, although perhaps not as extensive as your own. I suggest contacting him offline, as he has invited, if you want to discuss old times, you wont get much on this public board. But for me, again if I have it right, you are a delightfully colorful bright addition who could definitely add to the mix if you choose to spend some time writing here. I hope you do. But take your time and decide how many cards you want to show here in public. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. By his or her own claim s/he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. Um, it's been known to happen that a poster has other things to do that take precedence over reading FFL, if you can imagine that. Curtis and Vaj, for example, are not infrequently absent for days on end. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. I don't believe I've commented on whether Vaj ever had anything to do with Robin, so I'm not sure how I could have inspired anything Robin has said to Vaj on that score. Again there's this amazing meme about how powerful and influential I am on FFL, such that anything negative that is said by others about posters I've clashed with must have been inspired by moi, because none of these others have minds of their own or the capacity to make independent judgments. And yet at the same time, I'm so boring that few people bother to read my posts, according to Barry. Quite a trick, I'd say. Folks are smart enough not to read my posts, but somehow I've managed to hypnotize them into parroting what I say in those same posts that they never read.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:58 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. Was that the Plato class where Shearer compared subjective experiences of the Sun, Moon and Polestar sidhis to the Myth of Er? Yes, I had a month with him on Plato and it was all siddhis-ed up. He had a bit of an errant pole star concerning one of the students in the class, oh those halcyon pre-litigious days!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was really something. They were visibly startled and nonplussed. Here we were, only a couple of weeks into the siddhis and, inexplicably, we were demonstrating what is still apparently the end result of the most powerful and refined of the techniques authored by Maharishi. If I remember correctly, Georgina turned around and immediately left the room. Greg stayed for a moment, then left for a few minutes, and then they both came back in and very sternly admonished us to never do anything like that again. Of course, that warning was rescinded once we got the last sutra and were encouraged to hop. The whole thing is funny now, but I admire the earnestness we had, even if I cringe a bit at our naïveté and willingness to be led down such a wacky and ultimately indulgent path. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@ wrote: Did anyone else see this video on YouTube, titled Art of Levitation Unleashed by Nithyananda? It looks like a direct copy of the TMO levitation technique, complete with skinny, flexible, lotus-sitting hopping and shaking about, with an Indian voice narrative that is very OOGA BOOGA sounding. The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
That would have freaked them the F out! Very funny. I think I was there that Summer getting my sidhis on the student's course. The Summer before my senior year. When I was studying other perspectives that ultimately led me to come to the conclusion that I had not in fact stumbled onto the most important knowledge for all mankind (damn what a demotion that was!) I remember reading descriptions of a group hypnotic experience remarkably similar to our flying room ones. And seeing people being slain in the spirit or even any of those primal emotional processes where people are invited to go into a group trance and feed off each other's cues reminds me of what we were up to. But seeing this rehash version really drives it home for me. This is an odd thing our brains can do. And no one has a clue what it does to us to practice it. As much as I can enjoy meditation to this day, I have never had a desire to go into the flying brain once I stopped. It has an epileptic fit quality to it that seems so unappealing now. And yet I remember all the heightened state bliss of it all but sort of have it in the same category as pounding 3 hits of blotter and going to a Dead Show (RIP). I have nothing but good memories of the experiences, but just have no desire to put my brain into that extreme a state. And when I am in the nursing home and I can't turn my freak'n neck because of cartilage crushed in my neck from the weird whipping around my head used to do in the flying room, I can thank the misplaced trust of my youth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was really something. They were visibly startled and nonplussed. Here we were, only a couple of weeks into the siddhis and, inexplicably, we were demonstrating what is still apparently the end result of the most powerful and refined of the techniques authored by Maharishi. If I remember correctly, Georgina turned around and immediately left the room. Greg stayed for a moment, then left for a few minutes, and then they both came back in and very sternly admonished us to never do anything like that again. Of course, that warning was rescinded once we got the last sutra and were encouraged to hop. The whole thing is funny now, but I admire the earnestness we had, even if I cringe a bit at our naïveté and willingness to be led down such a wacky and ultimately indulgent path. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@ wrote: Did anyone else see this video on YouTube, titled Art of Levitation Unleashed by Nithyananda? It looks like a direct copy of the TMO levitation technique, complete with skinny, flexible, lotus-sitting hopping and shaking about, with an Indian voice narrative that is very OOGA BOOGA sounding. The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. Tried that. It comes up with a big Not Found page for me. You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but we may be unable to see it because of the settings you chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect that this is the issue; I never see any Your Profile link. But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? Good to meet you. TB is an acronym for True Believer. No offense intended, but if you hung in there with Robin through all the ups and downs, I suspect you probably qualified at the time. That said, I'm more interested in who you are today. As hinted at in my earlier messages, I don't really have that much interest in Robin, past or present. What I do have an abiding interest in is people's experiences with groups or organizations that they later come to describe with the word cult. Been there, done that. I love to hear other people's impressions of what that was like for them -- at the time, during the walking away process if that happened, and now, in retrospect. That's all I was encouraging you to rap about, and only if you feel comfortable doing so. My original posts were meant as a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest clue what studying with RWC or attending his seminars or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do leaves us in the dark. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Ann-- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. Only if you're awoelflebater will you get to see awoelflebater's profile. If I click on your profile after clicking on your name, I get *my* profile. And according to Yahoo, *your* profile doesn't exist. I don't know whether that's a glitch, or whether it takes a day or two to appear after you've created it, or whether your permissions have somehow been set for it to remain private, or what. But it isn't visible to me. You might want to ask Alex Stanley (one of the FFL moderators) or Rick Archer (the FFL owner--he set the group up to start with and is the Big Cheese) to help. The email address to contact Rick is on the Home page of FFL, on the right under Group Email Addresses, as the List Owner. To reach Alex, you'd need to find one of his posts and click on the email icon. They're both nice, helpful guys. Or you could upload your photo to FFL's Photo section if you wanted. There's a folder for FFL Members. If you're posting from the Web site rather than via email, there's a link to the Photos section on the left. Any uploaded photo has to be approved by a moderator or the owner before it appears, though, and sometimes that can take a day or two. But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? Stands for True Believer. Generally a derisive term around here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
Years later, when I was an undergrad at UW in Seattle, taking a course in cultural anthropology, our class watched a video of the evangelical snake handlers. It was very powerful for me and watching all those folk in the video under the influence of the holy spirit evoked a very powerful, sympathetic response and I had to work very hard to restrain the urge to buck and bounce along with them. I spoke with the professor after the class and attempted to relate to her my experience and the background it was grounded in, but I'm sure I came across as simply peculiar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thk20h1lmVgfeature=youtube_gdata_player *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: That would have freaked them the F out! Very funny. I think I was there that Summer getting my sidhis on the student's course. The Summer before my senior year. When I was studying other perspectives that ultimately led me to come to the conclusion that I had not in fact stumbled onto the most important knowledge for all mankind (damn what a demotion that was!) I remember reading descriptions of a group hypnotic experience remarkably similar to our flying room ones. And seeing people being slain in the spirit or even any of those primal emotional processes where people are invited to go into a group trance and feed off each other's cues reminds me of what we were up to. But seeing this rehash version really drives it home for me. This is an odd thing our brains can do. And no one has a clue what it does to us to practice it. As much as I can enjoy meditation to this day, I have never had a desire to go into the flying brain once I stopped. It has an epileptic fit quality to it that seems so unappealing now. And yet I remember all the heightened state bliss of it all but sort of have it in the same category as pounding 3 hits of blotter and going to a Dead Show (RIP). I have nothing but good memories of the experiences, but just have no desire to put my brain into that extreme a state. And when I am in the nursing home and I can't turn my freak'n neck because of cartilage crushed in my neck from the weird whipping around my head used to do in the flying room, I can thank the misplaced trust of my youth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was really something. They were visibly startled and nonplussed. Here we were, only a couple of weeks into the siddhis and, inexplicably, we were demonstrating what is still apparently the end result of the most powerful and refined of the techniques authored by Maharishi. If I remember correctly, Georgina turned around and immediately left the room. Greg stayed for a moment, then left for a few minutes, and then they both came back in and very sternly admonished us to never do anything like that again. Of course, that warning was rescinded once we got the last sutra and were encouraged to hop. The whole thing is funny now, but I admire the earnestness we had, even if I cringe a bit at our naïveté and willingness to be led down such a wacky and ultimately indulgent path. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@ wrote: Did anyone else
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
awoelflebater: I have to admit the whole thing is pretty fascinating and I'd be happy to give you a better description but maybe you could tell me about yourself. From what I've read, Robin Woodsworth Carlsen is the first alleged enlightened being of the TM movement. Some people think that Robin went insane after a blast of 'kundalini' energy almost unhinged him. No doubt it was a very powerful experience, but Robin's writings on FFL don't seem to be the work of a crazy person. Excerpt: Carlsen was to return to Switzerland one more time for yet another course before his final dissolution into Unity Consciousness, and to sit at the feet of his master, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. While Carlsen's autobiographical work From Ignorance to Enlightenment covers the outline of this final course, it does not go into the details of his actual enlightenment... Work cited: 'The Sunnyside Drama: The First Three Years of Enlightenment' By Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Snow Man Press, 1979 Other titles of interest: 'On First Meeting Werner Erhard and Est: A Memoir of Deliberate Affirmation' By Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Snow Man Press, 1980
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Is Fully Prepared
The President of the U.S.A. has said under no circumstances would he allow the waterway to be closed. If anyone tries to close the Straight, they should be hit on the head really hard. and loose another war ? The U.S. has never lost a war. nablusoss1008: ...the USA did NOT loose the Vietnam and Iraqi war, and is NOT about to loose the war in Afghanistan. :-) The U.S. did not loose the war in Vietnam and the U.S. is not at war with Iraq or Afghanistan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Years later, when I was an undergrad at UW in Seattle, taking a course in cultural anthropology, our class watched a video of the evangelical snake handlers. It was very powerful for me and watching all those folk in the video under the influence of the holy spirit evoked a very powerful, sympathetic response and I had to work very hard to restrain the urge to buck and bounce along with them. That made me laugh because years -- nay, decades -- after I left the TMO and stopped doing the siddhis I'd have a similar reaction every time I drove by the buildings where I used to practice them. I was at times a twitcher while practicing the siddhis. Nothing serious, not like full-on Tourettes's or anything; it's just that I'd experience spontaneous energy bursts that would cause me to move my head and crack my neck. YEARS after I'd stopped doing the siddhis I'd still find myself cracking my neck every time I drove past the old place at the end of Sunset Blvd. or the warehouse where I used to fly in Santa Monica. I think we can safely assume that years or decades later the siddhis themselves were not causing this; it was the assoc- iation I had in my mind with that place, and what was supposed to happen when I went there. I spoke with the professor after the class and attempted to relate to her my experience and the background it was grounded in, but I'm sure I came across as simply peculiar. Go figure. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thk20h1lmVgfeature=youtube_gdata_player Loved this video. Interestingly enough, one of my current housemates is heavily into techno. She was, and still is, a DJ at raves. So I've overcome my white man's burden of being unable to dance worth a shit and accompanied her to a couple of techno dance joints. There you see similar behavior as in this video, especially when the dancers are more under the influence of Ecstasy or Red Bull than the Holy Spirit. The guy in the video would be a techno palace superstar. :-) *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That would have freaked them the F out! Very funny. I think I was there that Summer getting my sidhis on the student's course. The Summer before my senior year. When I was studying other perspectives that ultimately led me to come to the conclusion that I had not in fact stumbled onto the most important knowledge for all mankind (damn what a demotion that was!) I remember reading descriptions of a group hypnotic experience remarkably similar to our flying room ones. And seeing people being slain in the spirit or even any of those primal emotional processes where people are invited to go into a group trance and feed off each other's cues reminds me of what we were up to. But seeing this rehash version really drives it home for me. This is an odd thing our brains can do. And no one has a clue what it does to us to practice it. As much as I can enjoy meditation to this day, I have never had a desire to go into the flying brain once I stopped. It has an epileptic fit quality to it that seems so unappealing now. And yet I remember all the heightened state bliss of it all but sort of have it in the same category as pounding 3 hits of blotter and going to a Dead Show (RIP). I have nothing but good memories of the experiences, but just have no desire to put my brain into that extreme a state. And when I am in the nursing home and I can't turn my freak'n neck because of cartilage crushed in my neck from the weird whipping around my head used to do in the flying room, I can thank the misplaced trust of my youth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. Tried that. It comes up with a big Not Found page for me. You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but we may be unable to see it because of the settings you chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect that this is the issue; I never see any Your Profile link. Yes, you do: Not found The page you were looking for doesn't exist. Go to your profile. Go to your profile is a live link. But it'll take you to *your* profile, not Ann's. snip My original posts were meant as a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest clue what studying with RWC or attending his seminars or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do leaves us in the dark. I can't find anything she's said that makes the assumption that we know what it was like. The post you were responding to was her reply to Vaj, who does claim to know what it was all like. You don't seem to have read her posts with any attention, beyond looking for something to criticize her about. You picked wrong. Comment on your original post to Ann: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. snip Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) First, Robin's MIU/Fairfield activities are hardly unremembered around here. They've been discussed on FFL for years. Most of us weren't there at the time, but we've certainly heard the stories. Second, even little groups have big players and little players. Ann was pointing out to Vaj that she was a big player in Robin's group, so Vaj should have recognized her name if he had been part of it as he claims. Not a thing egotistical about that, just a statement of fact. You're making a bigger deal of it than she has.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: ashvamedha!
So, based on the evidence, the rite of the horse sacrifice probably originated in Europe somewhere in the Northern Caucasus (4000 BCE. Ratha is the Sanskrit name for chariot: cardemaister: Oh shucks! ...that modern humans were dispersing through southern Asia towards Australia and New Guinea, and Denisovans must also have been living in that region. So they weren't just in Siberia, they were actually right across eastern Asia and down into Southeast Asia, where there was another interbreeding with people whose descendants ended up in New Guinea and Australia. Rethinking Out of Africa http://edge.org/conversation/rethinking-out-of-africa I believe in some Northern Finnish dialects that's 'rathaat' (standard Finnish: rattaat), i.e. it's in plural form (Sanskrit rathaaH). http://tinyurl.com/7u9q66x
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip Well there is a possibility R. has contacted an old friend to chime in. Ann, did Robin ask you to join FFL? One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. Yeah, that's the key flaw, he actually believes/believed Judy's strawmen are real. Although at some point, he seemed to awaken to the Strawman Queen's nature. LOL. Vaj is one of the few here who read those posts of Robin's and completely failed to figure out what was going on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? authfriend: Stands for True Believer. Generally a derisive term around here. Not the only 'TB' - don't forget the 'TurquoiseB' (TB).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned Vaj nor defended him. I would fully expect that, since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have little to say about the subject. Were you expecting something else? Perhaps Barry hasn't been reading Vaj's posts either. Vaj has had *plenty* to say about the subject. Interestingly, while Vaj had a great deal to say about Robin even before Robin showed up here, I don't recall that Vaj ever mentioned having hung around Robin until *after* Robin made his appearance. Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that hanging with the Robster constituted three of the most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might actually have something to say about WHY she feels that way. But she hasn't said it. Ann has indeed had something to say about why she feels that way: I guess I admired Robin's individuality, his willingness to step outside, way outside, the status quo. His claims to enlightenment were secondary to the fact that the prospect of jumping on this horse (WTS) promised a few bronco busting moments. It proved to be quite a ride. Give her a chance to expand on it all if she chooses.
[FairfieldLife] RIP Etta James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDigK8LwyE
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch is now officially obsessed
He's even inspired his own Huffpost Culture page -- called, of course, Obsessed -- on which are chronicled the idiosyncratic, all-consuming passions of public figures and unknowns alike. His rant is about coffee, and not all that bad. I like coffee, too. I'm just not obsessed with it. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lynch/coffee_b_1216532.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lynch/coffee_b_1216532.html [2012-01-19-davidlynchcoffee.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] We won, for now.
SOPA and PIPA bills have been withdrawn or indefinitely postponing both bills. Protests work! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46072484/ns/technology_and_science-security/ Note the disclaimer at the bottom of the article that Microsoft opposed SOPA in it's present form and Comcast/NBC Universal is listed as a supporter. The telecom monopolists want not only SOPA but an end to net neutrality. We need to keep fighting them all the way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Etta James
She was a great singer. This song just about sums it all up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDigK8LwyE
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: ashvamedha!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: So, based on the evidence, the rite of the horse sacrifice probably originated in Europe somewhere in the Northern Caucasus (4000 BCE. Ratha is the Sanskrit name for chariot: cardemaister: Oh shucks! ...that modern humans were dispersing through southern Asia towards Australia and New Guinea, and Denisovans must also have been living in that region. So they weren't just in Siberia, they were actually right across eastern Asia and down into Southeast Asia, where there was another interbreeding with people whose descendants ended up in New Guinea and Australia. Rethinking Out of Africa http://edge.org/conversation/rethinking-out-of-africa I believe in some Northern Finnish dialects that's 'rathaat' (standard Finnish: rattaat), i.e. it's in plural form (Sanskrit rathaaH). http://www.offroadoulu.com/smf_forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=736.0 - rathaat = (here: baby) carriage
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to hang with RWC. That's because the FBI files are about facts; who does what when. Then there's the analysis on how dangerous this could be for our nation; is there a hidden threat ? There is no room for what it is like or feeling. It's not their business. And rightly so since they must be levelheaded. Since Vaj gets his information from these files and was never in the vincinity of Robin, there is no way he could know what is was like. Sorta like what Maitreya is really like or what it feels like to be around him, eh Nabs? :-) I mean, dude...you've been tied to the coattails of the planet's most discredited spiritual con man for decades now, and you've never seen or experienced his long- predicted Maitreya, either. Is that so ? Glad you are here to tell me about my experiences :-) All you've ever experienced is *his* version of FBI files about the myth that he made up 37 years ago, promising that Maitreya would show up any day now. Well, he's never showed up. How strange then that Maitreya is seen around the globe on a daily basis and has given dozens of TV-interviews. I'd say that you continuing to believe that he either exists or that he'll *ever* show up is more like how you describe Vaj pouring over FBI files than it is any kind of real spiritual experience. :-) You know how much I respect you Turq so I bow to your anal-ysis :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. Good point. And really, anyone who let themselves enter into confrontation - often in front of groups of others - had to not only be ready to dive in head first, completely, nakedly vulnerable - there had to be some belief that that process actually held some evolutionary value. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) No, often such end states were very cathartic or the resolution was one that dramatically affected the persons physical appearance and their presence in the room. At the successful resolution of confrontation, the audience benefitted from that resolution as well. But my feeling is that this style of catharsis will only work on a small subset of people who are hypnotically very suggestible - esp. R's various manifestations where he would manifest certain ontological states, like a ride in Indra's chariot (my personal fave) or the nervous systems experience of initial awakening, etc., etc. It's a long list. This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. True. And I do remember hearing word of this expose, but don't recall ever reading it. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. That would be interesting for him/her to share. The only person I know who currently has expressed some significant value from confrontation was Rory. I also suspect that this is part of Rory's interest in the Chod: it developed from the insights he was able to achieve. But from my own perspective one is an incredibly powerful practice for awakening and also for integrating the shadow, the other less so or not at all. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. Well there is a possibility R. has contacted an old friend to chime in. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. Yeah, that's the key flaw, he actually believes/believed Judy's strawmen are real. Although at some point, he seemed to awaken to the Strawman Queen's nature. But now we've got someone on the forum who claims to have been there on the front lines for three years. Seems to me a person as com- mitted to his own first person ontology and exposing it to challenges as RWC has claimed to be would be happy to interact with such a person. Shouldn't he be at least interested in getting his long-overdue Report Card as a spiritual teacher? Now wouldn't THAT be a confrontation worth watching? :-) Like I said, this could be an old friend who's let by-gones be by- gones, or it could be a disgruntled demonic former student who's freshly arrived from hell. :-) Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Something off about it all, right from the beginning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Is Fully Prepared
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: The President of the U.S.A. has said under no circumstances would he allow the waterway to be closed. If anyone tries to close the Straight, they should be hit on the head really hard. and loose another war ? The U.S. has never lost a war. nablusoss1008: ...the USA did NOT loose the Vietnam and Iraqi war, and is NOT about to loose the war in Afghanistan. :-) The U.S. did not loose the war in Vietnam and the U.S. is not at war with Iraq or Afghanistan. Great, thanks. I love your sense of humour. Let's agree that at least the US won the war in Grenada ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
On 01/19/2012 11:53 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reynemilymae.reyn@... wrote: Jon Stewart on SOPA: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/19/jon_stewart_sopa_will_drive_us_to_t.php So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. I was thinking this morning about an example of how screwed up movie studios are. A couple years ago an Australian film based on a popular book Tomorrow, When the War Began was released and a few months later the DVD and Bluray was released. The distributor was Paramount. To date this film has not been released in the US though a lot of people have expressed interest in seeing or renting it. I don't understand what the delay is? Does it contain ideas they don't want American youth to see? So the uploaded copies of it including the ripped Bluray have long appeared on the web. You'd think at least Paramount would have licensed it to Netflix for streaming and makes some bucks off of it? It's not supposed to be a particularly good film so the rental and streaming venue might work best for those curious. To date it doesn't even show up as a Saved on Netflix. BTW, I don't the MegaUpload case is going to stick. I've used them to post *my own* videos before YouTube had HD support. I think I put the footage I shot with my first hybrid camera there and posted the link here. They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there. Torrents are another matter as any time you use a torrent client to get a torrent at any decent speed you have to open a port so that you are redistributing parts. I've done that with Linxu distributions and even a Michael Moore film that he and the Weinsteins made available as a torrent back before the 2006 election. It was to encourage younger folks to vote and I supported their effort. And that and the Linux distribution were legal torrents. Fortunately nowadays Linux distribution have their many mirror servers along with their own. Many web hosts have unlimited bandwidth these days even with $5 a month services.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
awoelflebater: I have to admit the whole thing is pretty fascinating and I'd be happy to give you a better description but maybe you could tell me about yourself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: From what I've read, Robin Woodsworth Carlsen is the first alleged enlightened being of the TM movement. Some people think that Robin went insane after a blast of 'kundalini' energy almost unhinged him. No doubt it was a very powerful experience, but Robin's writings on FFL don't seem to be the work of a crazy person. Excerpt: Carlsen was to return to Switzerland one more time for yet another course before his final dissolution into Unity Consciousness, and to sit at the feet of his master, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. While Carlsen's autobiographical work From Ignorance to Enlightenment covers the outline of this final course, it does not go into the details of his actual enlightenment... Willy, UC is too deep an experience to be a 'deception' as Robin later claims. I don't think Robin was ever in UC. Work cited: 'The Sunnyside Drama: The First Three Years of Enlightenment' By Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Snow Man Press, 1979 Other titles of interest: 'On First Meeting Werner Erhard and Est: A Memoir of Deliberate Affirmation' By Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Snow Man Press, 1980
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Willy, UC is too deep an experience to be a 'deception' as Robin later claims. And you know that exactly *how*? Oh, I remember now. The definition of UC is as it was proposed by MMY, who probably got closer than a country mile to it during his entire life. I don't think Robin was ever in UC. I go further. I don't think UC exists, as posited by MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Lying, percentages of in the general population
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Re: [FairfieldLife] David Lynch is now officially obsessed
On 01/20/2012 08:48 AM, turquoiseb wrote: He's even inspired his own Huffpost Culture page -- called, of course, Obsessed -- on which are chronicled the idiosyncratic, all-consuming passions of public figures and unknowns alike. His rant is about coffee, and not all that bad. I like coffee, too. I'm just not obsessed with it. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lynch/coffee_b_1216532.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lynch/coffee_b_1216532.html [2012-01-19-davidlynchcoffee.jpg] Anything to make a buck! I'm not obsessed about coffee but I do like a good roast and have learned some things over the years. I still prefer Starbucks because their espresso roast is bold enough. However I'm not a fan of Italian roast espresso because it is too mellow. Unfortunately a couple of alternatives I have nearby, a bagel shop and a donut shop both have restaurant supplier roasts which aren't very bold. They both have excellent bakery goods though. Pitta-kapha David probably would be too sluggish if he didn't drink coffee and I do have a hard time believing he could subsist on that diet he talked about on the Inland Empire DVD extra. More than likely he cheats. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Willy, UC is too deep an experience to be a 'deception' as Robin later claims. I don't think Robin was ever in UC. Just like TC might only last a moment, other experiences might emerge temporarily without being stable. While the emphasis on evolution in the TMO is described as a seemingly seamless progression from one state of consciousness to another, this is clearly just an averaging of possibilities. In other traditions, experiences of unity are described which are unstable. It lasts for a time, and in some way of course is not complete, but the essential character of the experience is there, and then for any number of unknown reasons, it is not there. Also, depending on how much spiritual crap you have in your intellect, you might misinterpret a particular experience as unity. Maharishi once described different states of consciousness as like putting up a building. Even if the building is not finished, parts of the entire structure, such as incompletely finished upper floors, can be present. In actuality, all of what unity is is always present all the time, and we just do not realise it. One recognises what has always been the case, not something new. So perhaps Robin was over interpreting his experience, or he had a deep experience, but not a stable one; he seems to experience a lot of fluctuations. We spiritual people are a kind of crazy sub population of humanity, as if you can't tell just by reading this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Willy, UC is too deep an experience to be a 'deception' as Robin later claims. I don't think Robin was ever in UC. Just like TC might only last a moment, other experiences might emerge temporarily without being stable. Absolutely. While the emphasis on evolution in the TMO is described as a seemingly seamless progression from one state of consciousness to another, this is clearly just an averaging of possibilities. Absolutely. In other traditions, experiences of unity are described which are unstable. It lasts for a time, and in some way of course is not complete, but the essential character of the experience is there, and then for any number of unknown reasons, it is not there. And that's all she wrote, pretty much all you can say about the experience. IMO, of course. Also, depending on how much spiritual crap you have in your intellect, you might misinterpret a particular experience as unity. Such as the dissociation that accompanies certain states generally held to be psychopathic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip So perhaps Robin was over interpreting his experience, or he had a deep experience, but not a stable one; he seems to experience a lot of fluctuations. FWIW, he has said here that his experience of Unity was rock- solid stable for 10 years. He may have fluctuated, toward the end of those years, in what he believed in; but as I understand what he's written, those mental fluctuations were all within the consciousness context of the Unity experience. It wasn't until he became convinced that the experience was *fundamentally* deceptive and began to try to dismantle it that there was any change in it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Does unity exist as posited by someone else? Others do say this, Krishnamurti for example, although he did not call it this. He would point to a flower and say 'you are that flower'. If in fact something like unity exists as an experience, it seems it is generally ceded that it is beyond description. Therefore the description that *is* given, is like a metaphor, an image of what it might resemble, not what it *is* like. Many people seem to be having experiences like this now, not necessarily stable. I have the suspicion that those that do, tend not to stay in the movement, or drift to other movements where dealing with the ramifications of that experience is more clearly appreciated. If you graduate from your courses successfully, do you hang around your old teachers indefinitely? If the spiritual trip really works, you reclaim your whole life, so why keep acting as if you are still trying to find it? It's impossible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Willy, UC is too deep an experience to be a 'deception' as Robin later claims. And you know that exactly *how*? Oh, I remember now. The definition of UC is as it was proposed by MMY, who probably got closer than a country mile to it during his entire life. I don't think Robin was ever in UC. I go further. I don't think UC exists, as posited by MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
I've got to say that I am enjoying very much this continuing topic. But I feel I need to read the posts quickly not knowing if Rick, for some reason is going to delete huge swatches of posts in case someone raises an objection about something. Like, Oh I really didn't mean to reveal my name. Rick can you can delete any posts where my name or even remote association is used? That said Ann, I'm really enjoying your input. There is nothing like someone who is willing to put it all out there. Thank you for that. Sounds like you rode the RWC experience through almost the full cycle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wasn't getting that awoelflebater was a WTS TB, but perhaps you're right. By her/his own accounts, *three years* pretty much constitutes a TB. I lasted less than three days when first exposed to Robin Carlsen. :-) Then there's the part about hanging in there after he could no longer return to Iowa for fear of prosecution. That's pretty TB. Good point. And really, anyone who let themselves enter into confrontation - often in front of groups of others - had to not only be ready to dive in head first, completely, nakedly vulnerable - there had to be some belief that that process actually held some evolutionary value. By his or her own claim s/he underwent confrontation - but failed. One wonders what success meant in such a situation. I am tempted to believe it entailed saying, You're just the BEST, Robin, and everything you said about me is true...I shall amend my sinful ways immediately. :-) No, often such end states were very cathartic or the resolution was one that dramatically affected the persons physical appearance and their presence in the room. At the successful resolution of confrontation, the audience benefitted from that resolution as well. But my feeling is that this style of catharsis will only work on a small subset of people who are hypnotically very suggestible - esp. R's various manifestations where he would manifest certain ontological states, like a ride in Indra's chariot (my personal fave) or the nervous systems experience of initial awakening, etc., etc. It's a long list. This means s/he was likely expelled for that failure and perhaps ostracized as well. S/he would have been declared demonic and anathema. I'm assuming because of this outcome s/he is not a very likely to be a WTS TB. I did use the words *was* a TB. Did you miss that? Clearly, if she/he went so far as to go to the editor of a BC newspaper to denounce him, she/he wasn't still much of a TB at that time. True. And I do remember hearing word of this expose, but don't recall ever reading it. The lingering traces I see of former TB-dom also lie in the fact that she still hasn't mentioned any particulars of the practice, whether she now considers them positive or negative, and in the fact that she consistently refers to the experience in the same way that almost all former cultists speak of their involvement with a cult. If I'm not mistaken, she even called it a cult. That would be interesting for him/her to share. The only person I know who currently has expressed some significant value from confrontation was Rory. I also suspect that this is part of Rory's interest in the Chod: it developed from the insights he was able to achieve. But from my own perspective one is an incredibly powerful practice for awakening and also for integrating the shadow, the other less so or not at all. What I find most fascinating is that unless I have missed something (which is likely because I see his name in Message View and immediately move on to the next post without reading it), MZ himself doesn't seem all that anxious to interact with his former disciple. THAT speaks volumes to me, and leaves me to wonder about the possible reasons for that silence. Well there is a possibility R. has contacted an old friend to chime in. One that pops to mind is that he's really enjoyed having his story about his own past be entirely one- sided up to now. His attacks on you have consistently been Judy-inspired attempts to pretend it really IS one-sided, because you never witnessed any of the things you speak of. Yeah, that's the key flaw, he actually believes/believed Judy's strawmen are real. Although at some point, he seemed to awaken to the Strawman Queen's nature. But now we've got someone on the forum who claims to have been there on the front lines for three years. Seems to me a person as com- mitted to his own first person ontology and exposing it to challenges as RWC has claimed to be would be happy to interact with such a person. Shouldn't he be at least interested in getting his long-overdue Report Card as a spiritual teacher? Now wouldn't THAT be a confrontation worth watching? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: snip Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Oh, Susan, good grief! Can you really not tell the huge difference in writing styles? Robin couldn't write in the uncomplicated manner Ann does if you held a gun to his head. Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. What, pray, would be off about a friend of Robin's from his past showing up on FFL? Especially if she'd found out he was holding forth here? Remember, for 25 years he'd deliberately made himself inaccessible to his former followers. And why don't you express your suspicions to her face?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was really something. They were visibly startled and nonplussed. Here we were, only a couple of weeks into the siddhis and, inexplicably, we were demonstrating what is still apparently the end result of the most powerful and refined of the techniques authored by Maharishi. If I remember correctly, Georgina turned around and immediately left the room. Greg stayed for a moment, then left for a few minutes, and then they both came back in and very sternly admonished us to never do anything like that again. Of course, that warning was rescinded once we got the last sutra and were encouraged to hop. The whole thing is funny now, but I admire the earnestness we had, even if I cringe a bit at our naïveté and willingness to be led down such a wacky and ultimately indulgent path. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@ wrote: Did anyone else see this video on YouTube, titled Art of Levitation Unleashed by Nithyananda? It looks like a direct copy of the TMO levitation technique, complete with skinny, flexible, lotus-sitting hopping and shaking about, with an Indian voice narrative that is very OOGA BOOGA sounding. The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag Whoa! Those mattresses seem quite thin... :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag Whoa! Those mattresses seem quite thin... :0 BTW, is He an advaitin!? If that's the case, huccome He lowers(?) himself to teach yogic siddhi-s?? ;0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Bhairitu: They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there... Apparently you didn't get the point - the entire site could be brought down if anyone posts illegal movies or products on it that are copyrighted. Somebody just wants to avoid policing their own site because that might cut into their bottom line. Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone, according to the indictment. 'Popular File-Sharing Website Megaupload Shut Down' http://tinyurl.com/6px6kp2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
I agree. The only thing I read into Ann's comments is someone who is not afraid to put it out there. I felt, (feel) the same way about zarzari, although I think he started to get embedded in petty disputes with Judy that I felt were not productive. I hope, Ann, you will continue to elaborate on what you felt you got out of GTS (hope I have that right), and then what made you turn away, evidently is such a way that you felt you needed to expose the cult nature of the affair (hope I have that right) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Oh, Susan, good grief! Can you really not tell the huge difference in writing styles? Robin couldn't write in the uncomplicated manner Ann does if you held a gun to his head. Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. What, pray, would be off about a friend of Robin's from his past showing up on FFL? Especially if she'd found out he was holding forth here? Remember, for 25 years he'd deliberately made himself inaccessible to his former followers. And why don't you express your suspicions to her face?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
From the 1946 edition of Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda (Chapter 7): 'A yogiâs body loses its grossness after use of certain pranayamas. Then it will levitate or *hop about like a leaping frog*.' I have always thought Yogananda might have been kind of gullible. His classmates he intimates said he had religion on the brain or something like that. He seemed to be attracted to unusual demonstrations of spirituality, but did not seem particularly investigative of other possibilities of how they might have been accomplished. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: The governor training course I took was at MIU in the summer of '78. It was a small course of only 12 guys. We lived in one of the high rise dorms and our course leaders were Greg and Georgina Wilson. They used to come visit us in the afternoons in the foam room where we would meet each day. We were the only course happening on campus at that time and we were isolated from the rest of whatever else was going on at the time. But school was on summer break and there wasn't much, if anything, happening elsewhere on campus. We met in the foam room on the second or third floor of our dorm long before we got the flying sutra and one afternoon as we were sitting around and doing whatever we were doing we saw through the big windows of the foam room Greg and Georgina walking across campus to visit our little group. We knew nothing about what the flying technique was actually about at that point, but someone had the idea that we'd all start yelling and hopping when Greg and Georgina came in. And that's what we did. And the expressions on their faces was really something. They were visibly startled and nonplussed. Here we were, only a couple of weeks into the siddhis and, inexplicably, we were demonstrating what is still apparently the end result of the most powerful and refined of the techniques authored by Maharishi. If I remember correctly, Georgina turned around and immediately left the room. Greg stayed for a moment, then left for a few minutes, and then they both came back in and very sternly admonished us to never do anything like that again. Of course, that warning was rescinded once we got the last sutra and were encouraged to hop. The whole thing is funny now, but I admire the earnestness we had, even if I cringe a bit at our na�vet� and willingness to be led down such a wacky and ultimately indulgent path. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was totally hilarious! They did everything but claim that they were saving the world with their hopping like toads. They even mentioned the same sutra. The same bliss talk, really like a parallel universe. Excellent find. But remember, their hopping is not the real hopping. It just sounds the same when they describe it and looks the same, but deep down inside, it is not dome-worthy, official version. We just know it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@ wrote: Did anyone else see this video on YouTube, titled Art of Levitation Unleashed by Nithyananda? It looks like a direct copy of the TMO levitation technique, complete with skinny, flexible, lotus-sitting hopping and shaking about, with an Indian voice narrative that is very OOGA BOOGA sounding. The video also goes into some details re other Samana practices. http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag Whoa! Those mattresses seem quite thin... :0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
On 01/20/2012 12:12 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Bhairitu: They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there... Apparently you didn't get the point - the entire site could be brought down if anyone posts illegal movies or products on it that are copyrighted. So if a drug dealer some evening walks up on your lawn and does a drug deal, gets caught by the police, should the police be able to take your house as an accomplice? Somebody just wants to avoid policing their own site because that might cut into their bottom line. A lot of companies don't want to be in the policing business including Google, Microsoft and others. It's also a liability. To hire people who would actually know if a copyright is violated is expensive if not almost impossible. The way it works now is fine and one of the few good points about the DMCA. You have to file a takedown notice and in fact I am in the process of writing one of those up for a friend who didn't renew his domain name but the person who bought it put up an old version of his web site using the WayBack Machine and also put links to businesses who we found were unaware of such links. Sometimes people actually get permission to use material in a video and fail to put an acknowledgement which is not always required. As a musician I know exactly how to make a tune sound like another tune without violating a copyright. I did that with Republican Cry Babies as obviously Cry Baby Cry by the Beatles would have made great background so I made something that sounds like it but isn't. And pity the company that takes down any of my stuff with my original music and videos which I take great effort to make sure is my own because I will find a good pro bono lawyer if they have deep pockets. In the Bay Area there are some damn good ones who would take the case. This is also why companies like YouTube are opposed to SOPA. Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone, according to the indictment. 'Popular File-Sharing Website Megaupload Shut Down' http://tinyurl.com/6px6kp2 You do know that MegaUpload had two kinds of services? One was ad based free where you have to wait up to a minute for the download to start and the fee based one which downloaded faster and there is no wait. Perfectly legitimate business and that's where they made their money. I would imagine they were smart enough to never put content there they didn't own themselves. Plus they probably responded promptly to any takedown notice. In fact I think I've seen links on forums to files there where a follow up post reported that the file had been removed. The bottom line is the US entertainment industry sucks and is run largely by untalented, uninnovative people who can't swing with the times. By the law of the supposed free market they should be out of business instead of asking for help from big government. Guess you're not into free markets though, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Oh, Susan, good grief! Can you really not tell the huge difference in writing styles? Robin couldn't write in the uncomplicated manner Ann does if you held a gun to his head. Different writing style, for sure. But an evasiveness that made me think, initially, that she was affiliated with or was Robin trying to defend himself. Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. A psychiatric diagnosis was not at all what I was even thinking. That idea is yours. What, pray, would be off about a friend of Robin's from his past showing up on FFL? Especially if she'd found out he was holding forth here? Remember, for 25 years he'd deliberately made himself inaccessible to his former followers. The off part is the evasiveness - talking about being heavily involved for 3 years, but never giving any details at all. I do recognize she might not want to give those details. Still I find it somewhat evasive. And why don't you express your suspicions to her face? I did post to her directly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
See Judy, your intelligent, thoughtful voice has come through again. Maybe it is a woman thing!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. Tried that. It comes up with a big Not Found page for me. You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but we may be unable to see it because of the settings you chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect that this is the issue; I never see any Your Profile link. Yes, you do: Not found The page you were looking for doesn't exist. Go to your profile. Go to your profile is a live link. But it'll take you to *your* profile, not Ann's. snip My original posts were meant as a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest clue what studying with RWC or attending his seminars or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do leaves us in the dark. I can't find anything she's said that makes the assumption that we know what it was like. The post you were responding to was her reply to Vaj, who does claim to know what it was all like. You don't seem to have read her posts with any attention, beyond looking for something to criticize her about. You picked wrong. Comment on your original post to Ann: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. snip Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) First, Robin's MIU/Fairfield activities are hardly unremembered around here. They've been discussed on FFL for years. Most of us weren't there at the time, but we've certainly heard the stories. Second, even little groups have big players and little players. Ann was pointing out to Vaj that she was a big player in Robin's group, so Vaj should have recognized her name if he had been part of it as he claims. Not a thing egotistical about that, just a statement of fact. You're making a bigger deal of it than she has.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Oh, that's a relief, I thought it meant total b( as in female dog) and I thought I was coming under the gun just a tad quickly for only having been her two days. Thank you for clarifying Richard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? authfriend: Stands for True Believer. Generally a derisive term around here. Not the only 'TB' - don't forget the 'TurquoiseB' (TB).
[FairfieldLife] Mini-movie reivew: Bellflower
When this film started I was thinking the young filmmakers were big David Lynch film because it starts out very much with that influence. And they probably are but also Monty Hellman fans because the film overall sort of reminds me of Two Lane Blacktop. It is also what I would call a bi-polar generation film because it *is* very bi-polar. That means that the right hand path yogis here may want to pass on this film. I was interested in this award winning film because the filmmakers made their own camera to get a very saturated color effect. Though shot in HD most of the scenes on the Bluray looked pretty much SD. But for a small film the acting isn't bad and though a little slow the arc was good, sort of a where are they going with this? Then there is the live cricket eating contest at the beginning. ;-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242599/ http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/04/bellflower-director-evan-glodell-interview/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
I think I owe an apology to you, Ann. When you arrived here a few days ago, I thought you had been asked by Robin to join FFL. The reason for that assumption is that he had recently asked if anyone who knew him back in the 70's and 80's would please post here about what he was like then and what it was like to be involved in his course. And you appeared! Robin wanted to defuse Vaj's comments about those times. I thought you were responding to that call from Robin. I also thought you would then clear up some of the issues between Vaj's perception of the events surrounding Robin, and Robin's own memories. Whether you are here to support Robin or not, I do not know. But your comments are interesting. Welcome. I described your posts as evasive because I wanted you to explain in more detail about your time with Robin. That was an unfair characterization by me. So, now that I am home from work and have a chance to read the posts of today and settle down and spend more than 30 seconds at FFL, I realize I made a mistake. You obviously have no obligation to answer questions about your time with Robin. Just enjoy your time here at FFL and, again, welcome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Oh, Susan, good grief! Can you really not tell the huge difference in writing styles? Robin couldn't write in the uncomplicated manner Ann does if you held a gun to his head. Different writing style, for sure. But an evasiveness that made me think, initially, that she was affiliated with or was Robin trying to defend himself. Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. A psychiatric diagnosis was not at all what I was even thinking. That idea is yours. What, pray, would be off about a friend of Robin's from his past showing up on FFL? Especially if she'd found out he was holding forth here? Remember, for 25 years he'd deliberately made himself inaccessible to his former followers. The off part is the evasiveness - talking about being heavily involved for 3 years, but never giving any details at all. I do recognize she might not want to give those details. Still I find it somewhat evasive. And why don't you express your suspicions to her face? I did post to her directly.
[FairfieldLife] American SHARE page
In spite of the crises dominating headlines around the world, powerful forces for good are working behind the scenes to bring about a complete transformation of our civilization. As early as the 1800s, Theosophical writings described a great teacher who would inaugurate the incoming Aquarian age, introduce its new teachings, and inspire major changes in our way of life. That World Teacher Maitreya by name is here now and has begun his open, public work. To learn more, we recommend the following free information: Take this introductory tour http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/introd\ uction/introduction1.htm , which gives an overview of the World Teacher's emergence and his message of hope for the future, or download this introductory brochure http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=/background_info/Emergence_IntroBrochure_\ 6page.pdf . Watch http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/av/av_\ main.htm a talk by British author Benjamin Creme, the primary spokesperson for this information. Learn more about him http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/backgr\ ound/bcreme/bc_main.htm and why his information is credible. Investigate the `star sign' http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/maitre\ ya/Ma_starsign.htm , heralding the initial appearance of the World Teacher on national television already completed and the continuation of his public work. Includes remarkable video images. Subscribe to our free monthly e-newsletter http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.us/e-newsl\ etter.html to keep up to date on this unfolding story. Read highlights from Share International magazine http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/magazi\ ne/si_previous.htm , covering global trends in the political, economic, and spiritual transformation now underway. Read any of Benjamin Creme's books http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/backgr\ ound/printed/books.htm . [Some available for free download and all available from Amazon.com.] If you live in North America, you can also download our order form http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.us/images/\ SI-USA_Order_Form.pdf . http://theemergence.org/ http://theemergence.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Susan, your apology to Ann was very gracious. I had one quick clarification I wanted to make to what I said to you: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. A psychiatric diagnosis was not at all what I was even thinking. That idea is yours. My comment was a reference to a particularly odious episode around Christmas when several people here were slapping psychiatric diagnostic labels on Robin. No, of course you weren't thinking any such thing. I was being sarcastic. Your comments about Ann seemed to me unfair--which you've acknowledged, to your great credit--so I made the association with the way Robin was treated. That's all I meant, and I withdraw the comment with my own apology.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Susan, your apology to Ann was very gracious. I had one quick clarification I wanted to make to what I said to you: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric diagnosis we can pin on Ann. A psychiatric diagnosis was not at all what I was even thinking. That idea is yours. My comment was a reference to a particularly odious episode around Christmas when several people here were slapping psychiatric diagnostic labels on Robin. No, of course you weren't thinking any such thing. I was being sarcastic. Your comments about Ann seemed to me unfair--which you've acknowledged, to your great credit--so I made the association with the way Robin was treated. That's all I meant, and I withdraw the comment with my own apology. Apology accepted. I knew you really referencing the labeling of Robin.
[FairfieldLife] LOL: apploid-centric US??
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nokias-big-dividend-and-low-price-is-a-value-trap-2012-01-20 Jaffe's friends are obviously in the apploid-centric US. Nokia is the most trusted name in India, and as the user of a Nokia Symbian N8 (12Mpx Carl Zeiss optics, HDMI out, Internet Radio, HD video, free-for-life world-wide GPS navigation) in the US, I don't have to brag about it. It blows the socks off apploid phones... but who in the US is listening? Besides, a substantial portion of Nokia's RD is in nanotechnology. That is their real growh opportunity, not Windows smartphones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: See Judy, your intelligent, thoughtful voice has come through again. Maybe it is a woman thing!! ;-) ;-) ;-) Sisterhood is powerful. Carry on, sister! I myself have never been able to find out precisely what a feminist is, I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.--Rebecca West
Re: [FairfieldLife] LOL: apploid-centric US??
On 01/20/2012 03:12 PM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nokias-big-dividend-and-low-price-is-a-value-trap-2012-01-20 Jaffe's friends are obviously in the apploid-centric US. Nokia is the most trusted name in India, and as the user of a Nokia Symbian N8 (12Mpx Carl Zeiss optics, HDMI out, Internet Radio, HD video, free-for-life world-wide GPS navigation) in the US, I don't have to brag about it. It blows the socks off apploid phones... but who in the US is listening? Besides, a substantial portion of Nokia's RD is in nanotechnology. That is their real growh opportunity, not Windows smartphones. How many apps are available for it? ;-) What hurdles does a developer have to jump to publish an app for it? Zeiss lens is nice but if you want to take real video and pictures just buy a camera and what kind depending on how deep you want to get into it. Most of the phone lens are fixed. Nokia is running hard trying to keep but they should have started training 5 years ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] American SHARE page
On 01/20/2012 02:44 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: In spite of the crises dominating headlines around the world, powerful forces for good are working behind the scenes to bring about a complete transformation of our civilization. As early as the 1800s, Theosophical writings described a great teacher who would inaugurate the incoming Aquarian age, introduce its new teachings, and inspire major changes in our way of life. That World Teacher – Maitreya by name – is here now and has begun his open, public work. To learn more, we recommend the following free information: Take this introductory tour http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/introd\ uction/introduction1.htm , which gives an overview of the World Teacher's emergence and his message of hope for the future, or download this introductory brochure http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=/background_info/Emergence_IntroBrochure_\ 6page.pdf . Watch http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/av/av_\ main.htm a talk by British author Benjamin Creme, the primary spokesperson for this information. Learn more about him http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/backgr\ ound/bcreme/bc_main.htm and why his information is credible. Investigate the `star sign' http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/maitre\ ya/Ma_starsign.htm , heralding the initial appearance of the World Teacher on national television – already completed – and the continuation of his public work. Includes remarkable video images. Subscribe to our free monthly e-newsletter http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.us/e-newsl\ etter.html to keep up to date on this unfolding story. Read highlights from Share International magazine http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/magazi\ ne/si_previous.htm , covering global trends in the political, economic, and spiritual transformation now underway. Read any of Benjamin Creme's books http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.org/backgr\ ound/printed/books.htm . [Some available for free download and all available from Amazon.com.] If you live in North America, you can also download our order form http://theemergence.org/cgi-bin/counters/unicounter.pl?name=homepage-cl\ ickscache=1trackip=0deliver=http://www.share-international.us/images/\ SI-USA_Order_Form.pdf . http://theemergence.org/http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. abby, while I don't believe in the Maitreya phenom, I sure wish it were true! Do you have any guesses about the identity Maitreya is using on TV? Also, how do you know MMY was informed of Maitreya's arrival in 1978?
[FairfieldLife] The Siren
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[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. abby, while I don't believe in the Maitreya phenom, I sure wish it were true! Do you have any guesses about the identity Maitreya is using on TV? I certainly do but will not reveal the name for the same reason Benjamin Creme will not. Free will is sacred. If everyone knew who He was they would run after Him for all the wrong reasons. The would seek the Saviour/Messias/Maitreya Buddha/Kalki Avatar/Iman Madhi not because for what He is urging humanity to do, sharing and change, but because He is the long awaited one. Also, how do you know MMY was informed of Maitreya's arrival in 1978? It's all in his speeches on January 12. from 1978 if you listen carefully. He also inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment only 3 years earlier, remember ? :-) When Maharishi said Heaven will walk on earth in this generation it wasn't a metaphor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
So you actually still do your program? Or was that meant to be past tense? Depends upon what you mean by program. I still do TM/Sahaj and TM-Sanyama using (at Khachab's suggestion) a few sutras that are pertinent to prabhasvara, particularly hrid antar-jyoti. He also gave me some suggestions about how to use jyoti-sagara/jyoti-samudra as part of the sequence of prana-manas dissolutions. He seemed to like the analogy of recognizing a swell rather than only being able to notice a full wave once it formed. I then start Ekajati sadhana out of silent awareness and do her mantra for a while ... only I dwell with it in Sahaj style, not just performing some japa. Don't you still do yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:18 PM, emptybill wrote: The reality is that I practice TM/TM-Sidhi So you actually still do your program? Or was that meant to be past tense?
[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
No problem - Maitreya's Identity revealed: http://artnectar.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/ea4ab11fd12ce69d5c50fc004b71caca.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. abby, while I don't believe in the Maitreya phenom, I sure wish it were true! Do you have any guesses about the identity Maitreya is using on TV? I certainly do but will not reveal the name for the same reason Benjamin Creme will not. Free will is sacred. If everyone knew who He was they would run after Him for all the wrong reasons. The would seek the Saviour/Messias/Maitreya Buddha/Kalki Avatar/Iman Madhi not because for what He is urging humanity to do, sharing and change, but because He is the long awaited one. Also, how do you know MMY was informed of Maitreya's arrival in 1978? It's all in his speeches on January 12. from 1978 if you listen carefully. He also inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment only 3 years earlier, remember ? :-) When Maharishi said Heaven will walk on earth in this generation it wasn't a metaphor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: http://theemergence.org/ You'll never get into the dome that way, Nabby. :-D I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. abby, while I don't believe in the Maitreya phenom, I sure wish it were true! Do you have any guesses about the identity Maitreya is using on TV? I certainly do but will not reveal the name for the same reason Benjamin Creme will not. Free will is sacred. If everyone knew who He was they would run after Him for all the wrong reasons. The would seek the Saviour/Messias/Maitreya Buddha/Kalki Avatar/Iman Madhi not because for what He is urging humanity to do, sharing and change, but because He is the long awaited one. Also, how do you know MMY was informed of Maitreya's arrival in 1978? It's all in his speeches on January 12. from 1978 if you listen carefully. He also inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment only 3 years earlier, remember ? :-) When Maharishi said Heaven will walk on earth in this generation it wasn't a metaphor. I might also add that even though Maitreya may not have yet come to Europe by january that year, it could have been later in the year, He had already created a Mahavirupta, selfcreated, body and was adjusting this body in preparation for leaving the Himalayas. I can assure you that such a unique event did not go unnoticed by real Saints on earth or in heaven.
[FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: snip I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. And his response was Get that guy out of the hall please. Seriously, take this guy out, beat him within an inch of mahasamadhi and stuff his head in a dumpster. Where are my WYMs boys with the strength of an elephant? For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. So what is Guru Dev now chopped liver? Seriously Nabbie, His DIVINITY can be promoted far and wide and thousands of us learned how to worship him with the puja, but if Maharishi was to say this guy was what, an Avatar? people would lose their free will and go completely apeshit crazy for this guy and then what would happen? World peace would break out and there would be true brotherhood in the family of man and those psychos in Africa would stop recruiting hundreds of thousands of children into armies at gun point with the first command being, kill their parents? But mums the word because we have to lose more generations of children before he can be revealed? And Maharishi was aware of this but couldn't blow his cover and instead had to limp along with his pathetic plea of spreading the SUPREME knowledge of His DIVINITY, without the Avatar label that is like an Abercrombie tag on a Twilight themed hoodie for a fourteen year old? The universe is suuch a dick! But the Super Guy himself is giving interviews on the down low, with a little wink wink here and there, no doubt snickering to himself in the green room as he casually turns the Evian water into 0 cal diet Coke. (Yes even avatars get muffin tops if they make the mistake of getting trim fit Levis instead the comfort fit version.) Does he pull his ear Carol Burnett style when he faces the camera for you guys in the know? Does he cough-speak the word Avatar like the Wayne's world guys used to do with coughloser? And how is it that you got the memo out of all the rest of us on the planet Nabbie? Did you bump your self esteem meter and it buried itself to stick at totally awesome and Maitreya worthy? And all the time I was imitating those same guys on Waynes World bowing down and saying I'm not worthy you and Maitreya were high fiving each other and saying that's right bitches you are NOT worthy? WTF? Maharishi's press conference where he acknowledged that all those superlatives he had been pitching were actually total BS compared to he who shall not be named. (No, not Voldemort you Harry Potter freaks, Maitreya.) Maharishi at mike clears his throat for an uncomfortably long time. It is a great joy today to announce that I've been blowing sandalwood incense smoke up your asses for all these years. Even though thousands of you put your lives on hold for the most important mission in the history of the world and devoted your lives to what you thought was the highest teaching, it turns out that I was actually playing the role of cosmic bell boy for the man who makes my beloved Guru Dev look like a homeless guy sleeping over a steam grate. This man, if I can call him a man, is so Divine that I must revoke that title from my master who will hereby be known as 'Eh, he we made do with till Maitreya came, whaddya gunna do?' Let's face it, he was no Avatar. But today I am humbled and proud to cast my primary votes to the new candidate who can solve all the problems of the world, not to Rick Santorum, (I had one of my skin boys Google his name, WOWSA) but to my new vote for the embodiment for snake oil, your Lord and mine, my favorite Martin, only kidding folks, Maitreya. (But please send Michelle Bachmann up to my room after this press announcement cuz between you and me, Mr. Bachmann is not taking care of that package properly. coughshomo Special thanks to Nabbie for keeping his mouth shut, big shout out to the other 19 people who were in on this whole thing, and sorry about the whole AIDS thing that went on while our Lord was roaming the earth, but not ready to give up his privacy. (I mean look at how Brajelina live, what kind of life is that, they can't even drop in anywhere for a latte?) And with that, I will turn my attention back to my hillbilly music, thus depriving Nabbie of 50% of his predictable response.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: American SHARE page
On 01/20/2012 05:11 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@... wrote: snip I have free pass to any meditationhall/Dome in the USA, Europe and India for life, thank you very much :-) And as you probably are not aware of; Maharishi was very well informed of Maitreya's arrival in Europe in 1978. And his response was Get that guy out of the hall please. Seriously, take this guy out, beat him within an inch of mahasamadhi and stuff his head in a dumpster. Where are my WYMs boys with the strength of an elephant? For the same reason as Benjamin Creme refuses to reveal the name under whom Maitreya is giving TV-interviews now, Maharishi would not officially ackowledge Maitreyas's presence in the world: The free will of humanity is sacred and can under no circumstances be infriged. So what is Guru Dev now chopped liver? Seriously Nabbie, His DIVINITY can be promoted far and wide and thousands of us learned how to worship him with the puja, but if Maharishi was to say this guy was what, an Avatar? people would lose their free will and go completely apeshit crazy for this guy and then what would happen? World peace would break out and there would be true brotherhood in the family of man and those psychos in Africa would stop recruiting hundreds of thousands of children into armies at gun point with the first command being, kill their parents? But mums the word because we have to lose more generations of children before he can be revealed? And Maharishi was aware of this but couldn't blow his cover and instead had to limp along with his pathetic plea of spreading the SUPREME knowledge of His DIVINITY, without the Avatar label that is like an Abercrombie tag on a Twilight themed hoodie for a fourteen year old? The universe is suuch a dick! But the Super Guy himself is giving interviews on the down low, with a little wink wink here and there, no doubt snickering to himself in the green room as he casually turns the Evian water into 0 cal diet Coke. (Yes even avatars get muffin tops if they make the mistake of getting trim fit Levis instead the comfort fit version.) Does he pull his ear Carol Burnett style when he faces the camera for you guys in the know? Does he cough-speak the word Avatar like the Wayne's world guys used to do with coughloser? And how is it that you got the memo out of all the rest of us on the planet Nabbie? Did you bump your self esteem meter and it buried itself to stick at totally awesome and Maitreya worthy? And all the time I was imitating those same guys on Waynes World bowing down and saying I'm not worthy you and Maitreya were high fiving each other and saying that's right bitches you are NOT worthy? WTF? Maharishi's press conference where he acknowledged that all those superlatives he had been pitching were actually total BS compared to he who shall not be named. (No, not Voldemort you Harry Potter freaks, Maitreya.) Maharishi at mike clears his throat for an uncomfortably long time. It is a great joy today to announce that I've been blowing sandalwood incense smoke up your asses for all these years. Even though thousands of you put your lives on hold for the most important mission in the history of the world and devoted your lives to what you thought was the highest teaching, it turns out that I was actually playing the role of cosmic bell boy for the man who makes my beloved Guru Dev look like a homeless guy sleeping over a steam grate. This man, if I can call him a man, is so Divine that I must revoke that title from my master who will hereby be known as 'Eh, he we made do with till Maitreya came, whaddya gunna do?' Let's face it, he was no Avatar. But today I am humbled and proud to cast my primary votes to the new candidate who can solve all the problems of the world, not to Rick Santorum, (I had one of my skin boys Google his name, WOWSA) but to my new vote for the embodiment for snake oil, your Lord and mine, my favorite Martin, only kidding folks, Maitreya. (But please send Michelle Bachmann up to my room after this press announcement cuz between you and me, Mr. Bachmann is not taking care of that package properly. coughshomo Special thanks to Nabbie for keeping his mouth shut, big shout out to the other 19 people who were in on this whole thing, and sorry about the whole AIDS thing that went on while our Lord was roaming the earth, but not ready to give up his privacy. (I mean look at how Brajelina live, what kind of life is that, they can't even drop in anywhere for a latte?) And with that, I will turn my attention back to my hillbilly music, thus depriving Nabbie of 50% of his predictable response. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpQNLZRcNA4 (The tune Mike Malloy wants all the Krischun fundies to listen to)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Wow
Hey Susan, This has been a bit of a culture shock for me at FFL. But I feel you have given me an opening here to clarify something without being shot out of the water. And it relates to the conjecturing as to how I happen to have appeared at FFL at the exact time that I did. I will tell you something strange. I went to the funeral of a former member of Robin's group about two weeks ago. I do not associate with the former members even though many of them live within an hour of me. There are perhaps 20 of them. By some fluke, two days earlier the husband of the deceased ex-member called out to me in the grocery store to say that his wife had died and invited me to the service. Now, I never see these people and here he was at this moment with this news. I felt like I should go to the funeral. It was filled with many of my old Robin acquaintances, really the core group from years before the Americans got involved. It was really strange for me but also strangely nice to see them, to see that they were thriving and happy in their marriages, with their abundant kids (virtually every one of them are devout Catholics). Now one of those former members emailed me a few days later listing a whole whack of links to posts that Robin had made on this site. No one had seen or heard from him for 25 years so this was big news. I clicked on some of these links and FFL was revealed. And I started to read, and read and read and discovered that it was indeed Robin (no one who was familiar with his writing could mistake the style, the lack of brevity (!), the brilliance.) So there I was scrolling down pages and pages of posts and there was one where he was conversing with Vaj. There was this perfect space created, this fleeting opportunity to insert my comment because he mentioned something about if anyone who had really been there with him all those years ago and spoke out he would know for certain if they had experienced the real deal with him in the context of a seminar. And then I just sort of jumped in. It seemed like all these events had colluded to result in this spontaneous post, it was like it was my cue. There was no planning, I am not Robin in disguise (d-uh) and I really had no agenda. I still don't. I have no idea where this is all going. As of this morning I was definitely not going to stick around. Too much weird negativity toward me, too much work to make myself heard and the anonymity aspect gives the wrong kind of license to people who want to behave badly. If I do stick around here is what you can expect from me: honesty, willingness to clarify when possible, civility and respect for the same when it is shown to me. The beauty of the internet is I can just go away in a moment if I need to. Hopefully you made it to the end of this long post. But I'm still not Robin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I think I owe an apology to you, Ann. When you arrived here a few days ago, I thought you had been asked by Robin to join FFL. The reason for that assumption is that he had recently asked if anyone who knew him back in the 70's and 80's would please post here about what he was like then and what it was like to be involved in his course. And you appeared! Robin wanted to defuse Vaj's comments about those times. I thought you were responding to that call from Robin. I also thought you would then clear up some of the issues between Vaj's perception of the events surrounding Robin, and Robin's own memories. Whether you are here to support Robin or not, I do not know. But your comments are interesting. Welcome. I described your posts as evasive because I wanted you to explain in more detail about your time with Robin. That was an unfair characterization by me. So, now that I am home from work and have a chance to read the posts of today and settle down and spend more than 30 seconds at FFL, I realize I made a mistake. You obviously have no obligation to answer questions about your time with Robin. Just enjoy your time here at FFL and, again, welcome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: snip Because there have been only very general statements and nothing at all specific or informative, my vote is that this is a friend of Robin's. Or Robin hmiself? Oh, Susan, good grief! Can you really not tell the huge difference in writing styles? Robin couldn't write in the uncomplicated manner Ann does if you held a gun to his head. Different writing style, for sure. But an evasiveness that made me think, initially, that she was affiliated with or was Robin trying to defend himself. Something off about it all, right from the beginning. Great, let's now see what kind of psychiatric
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Ok, sorry, told you I was not great with computers. Here it is: I am female, 55 years old, American/Canadian dual citizen but American citizen originally. I live in Victoria, BC. I own two retail stores, was a professional horse rider/trainer for 30 years. I am married to a non-WTS Canadian man. Have three dogs, two horses and don't meditate regularly anymore. Two step kids, well grown up. Do you need a picture or other info? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it will come up with a profile page. Then click on your profile and it will come up. Tried that. It comes up with a big Not Found page for me. You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but we may be unable to see it because of the settings you chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect that this is the issue; I never see any Your Profile link. But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle Bater. What is a TB? Good to meet you. TB is an acronym for True Believer. No offense intended, but if you hung in there with Robin through all the ups and downs, I suspect you probably qualified at the time. That said, I'm more interested in who you are today. As hinted at in my earlier messages, I don't really have that much interest in Robin, past or present. What I do have an abiding interest in is people's experiences with groups or organizations that they later come to describe with the word cult. Been there, done that. I love to hear other people's impressions of what that was like for them -- at the time, during the walking away process if that happened, and now, in retrospect. That's all I was encouraging you to rap about, and only if you feel comfortable doing so. My original posts were meant as a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest clue what studying with RWC or attending his seminars or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do leaves us in the dark. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. Excuse me? I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really that big of a deal. :-) Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should remember and almost revere your experiences, when in actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't all that important*. To you, all involved in them, they might have seemed more important, but to me, it's a little like the two of you are describing going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) Try to remember that most here don't have any idea what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want to say something about what it was like to hang with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Thanks Curtis, Peggy is amazing and the reunion was worth it. Marny Pavelka was my best friend back at MIU and she attended. It was amazing to see so many old faces. I have lots of pictures from the event. Try to make the next one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Hi Ann, I had totally guessed wrong! Thanks for your response. We weren't buddies at MIU but I do remember you now that I've seen your pic. The yearbooks are all online at:http://www.mum.edu/pdf_yearbooks/ My last name begins with M. I keep it off this board because I work under a stage name and like to keep the worlds from colliding! Andy blew our minds back in '75! In retrospect I understand how cool it all was but it was all a bit much for me back then. And I do remember his connection with Pam. Peggy is rocking the corporate lecture circuit, what an exceptional human. I haven't seen her in years but checked out her Website. Mine is at curtis (no space here) blues dot com I didn't make it to the reunion but heard about it and envy your going. I had gigs then, but would have otherwise loved to have seen everybody. We were such an unusual bunch weren't we? As far as I have drifted from the movement, I never regret that I did collage sober! MIU was great for me even if I have lost all my spiritual perspective since then. My sister is buddies with Josie who is doing fascinating work for child actors in Cali. FFL can be an interesting place to write into. But it isn't for everybody that's for sure. I'm glad you dropped in and you will always have eager readers for any perspectives you have on your life's journey here,Robin oriented or not. It has helped me integrate parts of my past with who I am now. All the best, Curtis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Hey Curtis, I thought my name was right out there - Ann Woelfle. It all sounds right, your MIU memories but I would have to look at a yearbook to put a face to your name. I was really good friends with Marny and Mike and Lenny and Ron and lots of others. Even worked at Peggy O'Neils back in the day. I remember when Andy Kaufman was in town and he had a visit down there to the restaurant and stayed for an after-party. I remember quite vividly dancing like a maniac to the B-52's. He actually dated Pam Paradowski for a while. Anyway, hi. As fun as this has been I might not stick around this site, however. I'm not really interested in anonymous shenanigans or guessing games. I don't mind talking about my Robin days but really don't like the negativity coming off of some of the posts. It is so easy to goof around on the internet, become someone else, say and act in ways you would never dream of to someone's face. Not really my thing. But thanks for making this connection. I take it you didn't attend the MIU reunion in Santa Barbara a couple of years ago? I went and saw hundreds of people I hadn't seen for 30 years. Peggy O'Neil and Josie Batorski organized it. I am choosing carefully what posts I will read in future, whether the title is wow or not. But thank you for your good-natured post, I appreciate it and will look you up in that yearbook. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: awoelflebater, the latest FFL pot stirrer, welcome. I think the pieces fell into place for me, we shared a class with Jonathan Shear, didn't we? How have you been? Feel free to remain anonymous here if I have it right. We all have our reasons for choosing how we present ourselves here. But I use my real first name Curtis and you might remember me for playing harmonica at school events if not for being such an earnest little thing in our Plato class. For what its worth I think it is most likely that Vaj had direct experience with Robin, although perhaps not as extensive as your own. I suggest contacting him offline, as he has invited, if you want to discuss old times, you wont get much on this public board. But for me, again if I have it right, you are a delightfully colorful bright addition who could definitely add to the mix if you choose to spend some time writing here. I hope you do. But take your time and decide how many cards you want to show here in public. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? I
