[FairfieldLife] NY Times: The Morality of Meditation

[Susan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/opinion/sunday/the-morality-of-meditation.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 

> 
> 
> The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
> with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should solve 
> our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it needs a 
> demand of products and services in order to harness its capabilities to 
> supply the demand.
> 
> This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
> economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
> world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries are 
> not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform their 
> cultures.
> 
> IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government that 
> would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain because 
> the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied by the US 
> production capability.
> 


> In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart is 
> powerful enough to create such a world government.  

I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.


Which is exactly what is going to happen.  


What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the American 
Union of States.

Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[Share Long]

salyavin, I too can't believe teasification isn't a real and or proper word. It 
should be both IMHO. And maybe it will be if our NSA buddies are tracking this 
tread. Anyway, I'm so glad you love crop circles but only in asterisks. And is 
there a scientific reason for thinking the Space Brothers wouldn't have their 
own websites?! One would logically think that if they can hurtle themselves 
through space to get here, they could set up a little website, etc. I'm just 
sayin.


BTW, thank you too for all the cool info about the old fashioned typewriters 
and why the letters were arranged in the qwerty order, to keep the keys from 
getting jammed.  Love learning new stuff (-:

Last but not least I gotta ask what you think about the research just posted by 
Susan. Good design for a scientific study?



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> salyavin, I like when people make up words like teasification. And IMHO it's 
> sad if Ravi is right and Judy is unteasible. Sometimes I like it when someone 
> makes me laugh at myself. Anyway, I've enjoyed your humor recently but wish 
> you liked crop circles more. I think they're beautiful.

Hey, I **love** crop circles! I just seriously doubt they are made
by the Space Brothers. Especially when the people who do build
them have their own website.

> PS I wonder if Ravi was being ironic when he lambasted you for writing FOUR 
> posts on one topic. 

I think you need self awareness before you can do irony.

PS I *can't* believe teasification isn't a proper word...

> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 5:54 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First and second, more bloopers from our little Stevie.
> > > > 
> > > > Third, Maharishi and Robin.
> > > 
> > > Is this a way of getting round the post limit? Moderator!
> > >
> > 
> > Basically, yes. And, if you think I'm going to micromanage the content of 
> > posts in order to stop it, you need to put down that crack pipe.
> 
> LOL, it was more for Judy's teasification than anything else 
> but I know what you mean - I wouldn't read them if you paid me.
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] NY Times: The Morality of Meditation

[Share Long]

Nice article, Susan, thanks for posting. I especially like the bit about field 
independence though that's not what the reporter called it. The fact that the 
meditators didn't get entrained into the behavior of the other sitters in the 
room.





 From: Susan 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 5:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] NY Times: The Morality of Meditation
 


  
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/opinion/sunday/the-morality-of-meditation.html?ref=opinion&_r=0


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew

[Share Long]

noozguru, I think I remember when all that happened with the tracking of the 
post amounts, many thanks. My theory is if I even read about such, slowly but 
surely the knowledge will seep into my brain. Like I read the posts about touch 
typewriters and tech writing even though I don't know a lot of the terms, etc. 
Maybe it initially awakens certain portions of the brain, something like that. 
One hopes.


I like how you used the word unsustainable with relation to US standard of 
living. It'll be interesting to see how it moderates. Are you familiar with 
stories of people choosing to live simply? Or in really small abodes? Something 
to offset all that imbalance. And I'm guilty of it too. When I look around at 
how much stuff I've accumulated, I'm horrified. And I'm only one person!

As for the American Dream, I'm glad that 51% of people have woken up from it. 
Now hopefully people can wake up from other myths, such as US productivity!

I'd love to know what the jyotish was yesterday afternoon: I got a call 
allegedly from *Windows Tech Maintenance Department.* He wanted me to press 
Windows flag key along with r key. That made me nervous. I told the poor fellow 
that I had identity theft last year so am very cautious. In a very Asian accent 
he told me his name is Kevin Smith and I couldn't help but laugh. I finally got 
him laughing too, hopefully at the absurdity of the situation. He shared his 
real name, Samir. Anyway, I had to go to Dome so we rescheduled without doing 
anything. Someone recommended googling his phone number so I did and voila! 
SCAM!

Funny old world if you ask me!



 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew
 


  
On 07/05/2013 09:00 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Bhairitu, yes, that's another one of my favorite quotes from owners of Fido: 
> he's harmless or he doesn't bite or he's very friendly. One woman actually 
> said this as the dog was charging at me full speed!
> I think I registered one of my screenplays with the Library of Congress. That 
> was a long time ago.
>
> As for inflation, I've always thought that an increase in gas prices was the 
> first domino since so many goods are transported via trucks.
>
> Regarding snide remarks, you are a very brave person if you make snide 
> remarks about increased prices to your dentist!
>
> Uh oh, I just realized that this is another way I deal with the posting 
> limit: in one post to you I reply to several posts of yours. My bad (-:

When posting limits were first introduced and I think they were daily 
then I started responding to multiple posts in one as a sort of protest 
because I thought posting limits were ridiculous and a sign of the 
immaturity of the group.  As you well know Alex doesn't like the posting 
limits because that is one more thing to deal with and I don't think 
Rick cares much for them either but the majority wanted a nanny state. 
The only real problem was that some folks were using FFL like it was 
Twitter.

When it went to a weekly count then people couldn't keep track of how 
many they posted.  I wrote a C program to count posts and then converted 
it to run on PHP so it could run on a server.  After running it a few 
weeks decided it might be wise to see if anyone had a server they might 
run even if out of town because I didn't want to do that.  So Alex 
stepped and had a lot of fun implementing it. ;-)

> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew
> 
>
>
> 
> On 07/03/2013 01:30 PM, Share Long wrote:
>> noozguru, my favorite from dog owners: Fido won't bite. My reply: you don't 
>> know that 100% for sure! It's an animal for God's sake! And I'm a stranger! 
>> Now leash Fido before the impossible happens!
> My favorite from dog owners walking in the game preserve: (annoyingly)
> Thank you! Or in other words: "yeh, I know that but I don't care we just
> want to walk our dog here."  That is until the day the park police drive
> through and write them a ticket.   One girl said, "we walk our dogs here
> all the time and they never have written a ticket."  Me: "that's the
> park rangers.  They have no authority to write tickets and drive the
> green pickups.  The park police drive a black and white."
>
> Or from an older women with a pit bull that was barking at me: "oh he's
> harmless."  Yeh right.
>
>> What do you have a copyright for?
> Music, software, videos.  I have a few tunes that were actually
> registered with the Library of Congress when that is what you needed to
> do for a copyright.  Now you just put a copyright notice on the work
> which I also don't think is necessary anymore either though most people
> do.  I made a few of my videos Creative Commons on YouTube so folks
> could  use the video or music if

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
>
> Great video.  Are we aging gracefully or what!  Here's one for you.  Hot
> Chocolate, Baby, Hot Chocolate.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8
> 

God, the pants, the pants. The slow gyrations, the high waisted cut of those 
trousers. Everyone so dandified, so slick, that beat. Disco never dies!!!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Enjoy the flick, chick.
> >  When you get back, read this about earlier, which is now, but will be
> later as,  a funny thing happened just now. I was texting a friend this
> evening, and after watching your Mean Girl Elvis post, I texted my
> friend and reminded him he kind of looked like Elvis. Then he wrote back
> and said when he was in Canada, women thought he was Burton Cummings and
> they got mad when he said he was not. So I find this, by accident,
> looking for Burton Cummings songs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHb4rZfaYE and look what shirt Burton is
> wearing!!!  LMAO!
> > Your post was inspirational for me to flirt with an old friend and it
> worked!  Bhahahahaha! Thanks!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn" emilymae.reyn@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aww - I love you too Obba. Smile.  Now, I'm off to a flick with
> chick No. 1
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Emily, here, let's enjoy this together
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTz4tgIGe6M
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > HALLELUJAH!  Elvis Presley - Mean Woman Blues
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUjbFUq7yD0
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Share,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can we compare notes on Ann, Emily and Judy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's what I have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ann - arrogant and mean
> > > > > > Emily - Mean - needs lots of prayers and blessings
> > > > > > Judy - I'm confused? What was your strategy? Mean, arrogant
> too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are we assigning humorous and emotional to any of them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/5/13 2:44 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > > "I'd say Ravi's writing is the most emotionally expressive
> on FF.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > > it makes me laugh especially when I'm not his target, but
> sometimes
> > > > > > > even when I am. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anything that helps you to reduce your dissonance, your
> discomfort.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > really  don't want to trigger you, you have enough problems
> as it
> > > > > is.
> > > > > > > So remember this dear - I may sound like I'm being very
> harsh on
> > > > > you,
> > > > > > > people may perceive this harshness and may even comment on
> it but
> > > > > > > remember it's just humor. Yep - humor it is, are you
> listening guys?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Same thing with Xeno, no need to worry about his sociopathic
> traits,
> > > > > > > his devious, droll disinterested-ness, his self-professed
> lack of
> > > > > > > empathy, emotion - he is profound, emotional and humorous.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This has to be your plan for success on FFL. We need to
> assign
> > > > > > > everyone roles so we don't trigger you, we don't want to
> aggravate
> > > > > > > your attachment disorder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions about the process,
> plan i.e
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > role we should assign to Ann, Judy, Emily so we can reduce
> your
> > > > > > > discomfort.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/5/13 2:30 PM, Share Long wrote:
> > > > > > >> Xeno, I *almost* always enjoy your writing. I only say
> almost
> > > > > because
> > > > > > >> I'm sure there has been at least one time when I did not
> enjoy your
> > > > > > >> writing. I find your writing to be simple but profound and
> often
> > > > > > >> humorous, one of my favorite combinations. Hmmm, I bet
> there's a
> > > > > > >> spiritual practice in there somewhere (-:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Anyway, I actually think everyone's writing is a combo of
> emotions
> > > > > > >> and thoughts. How could it be otherwise? We are all a mix
> of
> > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > >> and emotions and physical states. In one way or the other,
> > > > > > >> consciously or unconsciously, these thoughts and emotions
> and
> > > > > > >> physical states will be expressed in every word and action
> of ours.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So I imagine a continuum with intellect at one end and
> emotions at
> > > > > > >> the other. We all fall somewhere on that continuum. I think
> I'm
> > > > > > >> pretty much in the middle, call it being intuitive and
> blame that
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >> my Venus Mercury conjunction ha ha. I'd say Ravi's writing
> is the
> > > > > > >> most emotionally expressive on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > Of course paranoid FFLers will probably think they
> > > will be arrested just for watching it...
> > >
> > Hey, you're the guy posting under an assumed name!
> >
Bhairitu:
> Not like no-one else here does.
> 
Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing 
that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it 
difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
the TMO. 

So far, we know that Alex has a brother who is a Raja. 
Lawson visited Fairfield once, MJ said he was there in 
a pod in the eighties. Sometimes I hear things at the 
pool at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village in Austin. 

Go figure.

'The Maharishi Effect'
A Personal Journey Through the Movement That 
Transformed American Spirituality
by Geoff Gilpin 
Tarcher, 2006

> > Additional tip number 7:
> >
> > Do not join a social networking site like Yahoo! or
> > Google, or Facebook, Craig's List etc, and post your
> > real name and address. LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Indian Village Transformation

[Michael Jackson]

A very interesting video about the transformation of an Indian village from 
poverty to prosperity - and guess what? They did it all without a bunch of 
pundits or lying gurus and no frog hopping in Domes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZh348hN_nI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[emilymae.reyn]

This song was part of the soundtrack of the movie I saw - "Frances Ha."  I 
know, I was like "OMG - the video for this is just too awesome!  I must post it 
to FFL."  Smile

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
> >
> > Great video.  Are we aging gracefully or what!  Here's one for you.  Hot
> > Chocolate, Baby, Hot Chocolate.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8
> > 
> 
> God, the pants, the pants. The slow gyrations, the high waisted cut of those 
> trousers. Everyone so dandified, so slick, that beat. Disco never dies!!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Enjoy the flick, chick.
> > >  When you get back, read this about earlier, which is now, but will be
> > later as,  a funny thing happened just now. I was texting a friend this
> > evening, and after watching your Mean Girl Elvis post, I texted my
> > friend and reminded him he kind of looked like Elvis. Then he wrote back
> > and said when he was in Canada, women thought he was Burton Cummings and
> > they got mad when he said he was not. So I find this, by accident,
> > looking for Burton Cummings songs
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHb4rZfaYE and look what shirt Burton is
> > wearing!!!  LMAO!
> > > Your post was inspirational for me to flirt with an old friend and it
> > worked!  Bhahahahaha! Thanks!
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn" emilymae.reyn@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aww - I love you too Obba. Smile.  Now, I'm off to a flick with
> > chick No. 1
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Emily, here, let's enjoy this together
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTz4tgIGe6M
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HALLELUJAH!  Elvis Presley - Mean Woman Blues
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUjbFUq7yD0
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Share,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can we compare notes on Ann, Emily and Judy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's what I have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ann - arrogant and mean
> > > > > > > Emily - Mean - needs lots of prayers and blessings
> > > > > > > Judy - I'm confused? What was your strategy? Mean, arrogant
> > too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are we assigning humorous and emotional to any of them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/5/13 2:44 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > > > "I'd say Ravi's writing is the most emotionally expressive
> > on FF.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > it makes me laugh especially when I'm not his target, but
> > sometimes
> > > > > > > > even when I am. "
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anything that helps you to reduce your dissonance, your
> > discomfort.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > really  don't want to trigger you, you have enough problems
> > as it
> > > > > > is.
> > > > > > > > So remember this dear - I may sound like I'm being very
> > harsh on
> > > > > > you,
> > > > > > > > people may perceive this harshness and may even comment on
> > it but
> > > > > > > > remember it's just humor. Yep - humor it is, are you
> > listening guys?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Same thing with Xeno, no need to worry about his sociopathic
> > traits,
> > > > > > > > his devious, droll disinterested-ness, his self-professed
> > lack of
> > > > > > > > empathy, emotion - he is profound, emotional and humorous.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This has to be your plan for success on FFL. We need to
> > assign
> > > > > > > > everyone roles so we don't trigger you, we don't want to
> > aggravate
> > > > > > > > your attachment disorder.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions about the process,
> > plan i.e
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > role we should assign to Ann, Judy, Emily so we can reduce
> > your
> > > > > > > > discomfort.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/5/13 2:30 PM, Share Long wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Xeno, I *almost* always enjoy your writing. I only say
> > almost
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > >> I'm sure there has been at least one time when I did not
> > enjoy your
> > > > > > > >> writing. I find your writing to be simple but profound and
> > often
> > > > > > > >> humorous, one of my favorite combinations. Hmmm, I bet
> > there's a
> > > > > > > >> spiritual practice in there somewhere (-:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Anyway, I actually think everyone's writing is a combo of
> > emotions
> > > > > > > >> and thoughts. How could it be otherwise? We are all a mix
> > of
> > > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > > >> and emotions and physical states. In one way or the other,
> > > > > > > >> consciously or unconsciously, these thoughts and emotions
> > and
> > > > > > > >> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[Bhairitu]

On 07/05/2013 10:57 PM, John wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 07/05/2013 12:19 PM, John wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 On 07/04/2013 08:28 PM, John wrote:
> Bhairitu,
>
> Here's a note on the US natal chart.  Using Saturn as the significator 
> for karma, career, or productivity(per Bhrigu Nandi Nadi technique), the 
> 10th house from Saturn becomes the 7th house.
>
> The 7th house has many planets in it, including the Sun, Jupiter, Venus, 
> and Mars.  This means that the US will be productive in many facets of 
> life from its citizens.
>
> However, the 7th house also represents other countries outside the US.  
> So, the US has gone world-wide to find raw materials, like oil, for 
> production.
>
> Given this inherent feature in the chart, it is very likely that the US 
> will be a catalyst for world government.  Given the multi-trillion 
> deficit that we have, the US will be more motivated to produce more with 
> the help of other countries to pay for the deficit in the future.
>
> In the long run, the US will have to be more innovative and highly 
> technological than the rest of the world to sustain its lifestyle.  IMO, 
> this will force the US to colonize the Moon and Mars to obtain resources 
> there for use here on earth.
 So why did the US fall down in the 1860s and  1930s if it has such as
 "strong chart?"  Remember the US is an amalgamation of states so it's a
 little difficult to get an idea of what is happening with one single
 horoscope.  Which is why most astrologers debate over what is the "real"
 US horoscope. It's not like India where the jyotishees got the Brits to
 hand the country over at an auspicious time.

 The US standard of living is unsustainable.  it will have to collapse
 but maybe just back to 1970 levels.  That wasn't so bad. And why
 shouldn't folks in emerging nations have a good life too? Are Americans
 special or something?  Now those folks can look at our standard of
 living too because of the Internet.  BTW, many of those folks joke about
 Americans being so fat.

 You should test your astrology by tracking logical outcomes.  Just look
 at the road the country is going down and make a prediction on that and
 see how astrology stands up to it.  You might even find that pattern in
 the horoscope.

 But here is an article about the American Dream.  Note that over 51%
 voted that the "American Dream" is no longer realistic.

 http://www.nbcnews.com/business/state-american-dream-uncertain-6C10508356

>>> The US chart, just like any other charts, is subject to the cycles of time 
>>> which can be seen in the Vimshottari Dasha system.  That's why the US 
>>> economy went through its depression cycles.  James Kelleher, an American 
>>> jyotishi, already covered this point in his article at ACVA several years 
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> The US would have gone through another depression in 2008 if the Federal 
>>> Reserve Board hadn't acted appropriately by lowering the interest rates and 
>>> buying up billions of government bonds.  It was also justified that the 
>>> government bailed out some of weak banks and General Motors.  We're still 
>>> recovering from that tailspin.
>>>
>>> But the rest of the world also experienced the same down cycle.  Some 
>>> countries in Europe, like Spain, Greece, and Italy, are still experiencing 
>>> double digit unemployment.  As a matter of fact, the US is lucky that the 
>>> economy didn't collapse due to $16 trillion national debt.  IMO, this is 
>>> due to the productivity potential of the US economy.  The rest of the world 
>>> still believes that the US can make the necessary adjustments and recover 
>>> from this down cycle.
>>>
>>> There's more to this discussion but I'll it here for now.
>>>
>>> JR
>> I know James Kelleher and I also know he has been open to discussing
>> other US charts.  Some of these charts may work as harmonics.
>>
>> The US *should* have gone through that depression because it would have
>> hurt the public less than it is now.  It would have mainly meant an end
>> to many rich peoples fortunes and which I would not shed one tear for.
>> I think if it brought more chaos the people would have behaved in more
>> of a "community" fashion to help each other and that might still
>> happen.  You must be reading a lot of mainstream propaganda if you think
>> we are recovering.
>>
>> What productivity potential does the US have?  Manufacturing is gone.
>> Manufacturers would be reticent after using foreign workers who have a
>> different work ethic to use US workers.  And you must be guessing about
>> what the rest of the world thinks?  Try this web site which has foreign
>> press articles translated to English:
>>
>> http://watchingamerica.com/News/
>>
>> There's o

[FairfieldLife] Cruising for Burghers

[turquoiseb]

For those of you who don't know Dutch, a burgher is not a slab of heated
cow on a bun, but a "citizen," a resident of the city. But on the first
really sunny and warm weekend of the year, the citizens here definitely
go out cruising.

But not in cars...in boats.

In many European cities, you kinda have to be rich to have a boat and
keep it in the city. The mooring costs are as high as the rents. So in
Paris on a day like this, most people take to the parks or to their
rooftops or hop on a train and go to the countryside.

In Leiden, you don't have to be rich to have a boat. You can be
comfortably middle class and have a boat, and many families do. Leiden
is, after all, built on an enormous network of canals, so half of the
homes and apartments in this city are "on the water." Mooring fees are
reasonable, especially if you own a place that is on the canal where you
want to tie up your boat.

Most of the year the boats just sit there, but on a day like today the
families who own them pile into the boats and head out for a cruise.
*Whole* families -- parents, grandparents, kids, grandkids, dogs --
climb into the boats and spend the day cruising the canals of their
cities.

Some are in shorts and T-shirts, others in bathing suits. You can see
the Dutch folks in bathing suits coming up the canal almost before you
can see the boats they are in. Their white skin -- deprived of the touch
of sunlight since the last day this nice, in September of last year --
pick up the sunlight and reflect it like the near-fluorescent white skin
of some bottom-dwelling fish. There are going to be some *serious* cases
of sunburn in Leiden tomorrow. :-)

But here and now, all of them seem to be having a shitload of fun
enjoying here and now. Good for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew

[Bhairitu]

On 07/06/2013 05:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
> noozguru, I think I remember when all that happened with the tracking of the 
> post amounts, many thanks. My theory is if I even read about such, slowly but 
> surely the knowledge will seep into my brain. Like I read the posts about 
> touch typewriters and tech writing even though I don't know a lot of the 
> terms, etc. Maybe it initially awakens certain portions of the brain, 
> something like that. One hopes.
>
>
> I like how you used the word unsustainable with relation to US standard of 
> living. It'll be interesting to see how it moderates. Are you familiar with 
> stories of people choosing to live simply? Or in really small abodes? 
> Something to offset all that imbalance. And I'm guilty of it too. When I look 
> around at how much stuff I've accumulated, I'm horrified. And I'm only one 
> person!

"Live simply so others may simply live?"  The paradigm is now "live 
simply so you can simply live."  I argued that about 10 years ago on 
Thom Hartmann's forum then wondered WTF when he read my post on the air 
and disagreed with it.  Apparently Thom thinks Americans are superior to 
the rest of the world and deserves to live better.  Some liberal, eh?

It was too hot this last week to work on more house cleaning but it is 
cooler now so I'll get rid of more junk.  It was good to have the refuse 
company pickup the extra stuff a couple weeks back.  I should have put 
more out.

>
> As for the American Dream, I'm glad that 51% of people have woken up from it. 
> Now hopefully people can wake up from other myths, such as US productivity!
>
> I'd love to know what the jyotish was yesterday afternoon: I got a call 
> allegedly from *Windows Tech Maintenance Department.* He wanted me to press 
> Windows flag key along with r key. That made me nervous. I told the poor 
> fellow that I had identity theft last year so am very cautious. In a very 
> Asian accent he told me his name is Kevin Smith and I couldn't help but 
> laugh. I finally got him laughing too, hopefully at the absurdity of the 
> situation. He shared his real name, Samir. Anyway, I had to go to Dome so we 
> rescheduled without doing anything. Someone recommended googling his phone 
> number so I did and voila! SCAM!
>
> Funny old world if you ask me!

You should have really messed with his head by taking over the 
conversation and scamming him.  Believe me, Microsoft won't call you, 
neither will Google nor Apple or Yahoo for that matter.  I have some 
MP3's I've made that I play on the phone when one of these telemarketing 
companies call that make it sound like their system has gone on the 
fritz.  Or you can make it sound  like they hit a fax line.  Good site 
to keep bookmarked:

http://whocalled.us/

I also have a high pitched whistle to blow into the phone.

>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew
>   
>
>
>
> On 07/05/2013 09:00 AM, Share Long wrote:
>> Bhairitu, yes, that's another one of my favorite quotes from owners of Fido: 
>> he's harmless or he doesn't bite or he's very friendly. One woman actually 
>> said this as the dog was charging at me full speed!
>> I think I registered one of my screenplays with the Library of Congress. 
>> That was a long time ago.
>>
>> As for inflation, I've always thought that an increase in gas prices was the 
>> first domino since so many goods are transported via trucks.
>>
>> Regarding snide remarks, you are a very brave person if you make snide 
>> remarks about increased prices to your dentist!
>>
>> Uh oh, I just realized that this is another way I deal with the posting 
>> limit: in one post to you I reply to several posts of yours. My bad (-:
> When posting limits were first introduced and I think they were daily
> then I started responding to multiple posts in one as a sort of protest
> because I thought posting limits were ridiculous and a sign of the
> immaturity of the group.  As you well know Alex doesn't like the posting
> limits because that is one more thing to deal with and I don't think
> Rick cares much for them either but the majority wanted a nanny state.
> The only real problem was that some folks were using FFL like it was
> Twitter.
>
> When it went to a weekly count then people couldn't keep track of how
> many they posted.  I wrote a C program to count posts and then converted
> it to run on PHP so it could run on a server.  After running it a few
> weeks decided it might be wise to see if anyone had a server they might
> run even if out of town because I didn't want to do that.  So Alex
> stepped and had a lot of fun implementing it. ;-)
>
>> 
>>From: Bhairitu 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 4:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Special for the Crop Circle Crew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/03/20

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Bhairitu]

On 07/06/2013 07:08 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
 Of course paranoid FFLers will probably think they
 will be arrested just for watching it...

>>> Hey, you're the guy posting under an assumed name!
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> Not like no-one else here does.
>>
> Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> the TMO.
>
> So far, we know that Alex has a brother who is a Raja.
> Lawson visited Fairfield once, MJ said he was there in
> a pod in the eighties. Sometimes I hear things at the
> pool at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village in Austin.
>
> Go figure.
>
> 'The Maharishi Effect'
> A Personal Journey Through the Movement That
> Transformed American Spirituality
> by Geoff Gilpin
> Tarcher, 2006

The TMO has plenty of websites you can read.  Some of the TB'ers post 
those links regularly.  Or is TM really yesterday's news to you and you 
are just punking people here?

>
>>> Additional tip number 7:
>>>
>>> Do not join a social networking site like Yahoo! or
>>> Google, or Facebook, Craig's List etc, and post your
>>> real name and address. LoL!
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Willy repeater (Re: Another example of why Neo-Advaita is B.S.)

[emptybill]

You are seriously mal-informed.

To understand Gaudapada vs Nagarjuna and Yogachara, there is no better
place to look than this explanatory text:

The Method of Early Adaita Vedânta

by Michael Comans.

You can preview it on Google Books by going to the section on page 98
entitled: Gaudapâda and Yogâcâra.

And don't reply back with that old b.s.  - *maybe so … but*.

Read it and weep.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
>
>
> emptybill:
> > Enlightenment is freedom from dependence on desired
> > and feared objects...
> >
> Shankara Advaita is for the most part a Vedic purist
> reaction to the teaching of Nagarjuna and his four-part
> negation. You seem to be quite slow on the uptake,
> EMPTY! LoL!
>
> Yeah, I think that's Asanga that I quoted. And, that's
> what I've been saying for about ten years. Judy and Vaj
> were the respondent who understand the TMer parallels
> to the Vijnanavada. Go figure.
>
> "The real is non-dual. It's neither existence nor
> non-existence, neither affirmation nor negation, neither
> identity nor difference, neither one nor many, neither
> pure nor impure, neither production nor destruction."
> - Arya Asanga, 'Mahaayaana Sutralamkaara'
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/308218
>
> and
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/308188
>
> Subject: gauDapAdIya kArikAs
> Author: willytex
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:08:04 -0600
> Local: Sun, Dec 8 2002 11:08 am
> http://tinyurl.com/c962jvb
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Home again, home again, jiggedy jig...

[doctordumbass]

um...not if you paid for it with serial farthings. In that case, it is a 
triple, vs a tripel.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > And I can feel every muscle in my body relaxing, and saying "Yay!," in a
> > Despicable Me minions good kinda way.
> > 
> > And there is no rational reason for this. I mean, I'm just sitting in
> > Yet Another Outdoor Cafe, sipping a Westmalle Triple, 
> 
> It's Westmalle Tripel.
> 
> >and indulging in
> > Bad Habits. That's the name of the cafe/bar/pub I'm sitting in here in
> > Leiden, BTW, not necessarily a description of my actions.
> > 
> > Except for the patio I'm sitting on being larger than I'm used to -- my
> > hangout most of this past week in Paris has been a joint called Le
> > Censier, which was tremendous, but had only limited actual sidewalk
> > space in which to operate a sidewalk cafe -- it's not much different
> > from the cafes I've been hanging in there in Paris. But it somehow feels
> > different, more like home. Go figure.
> > 
> > There's even live music here, which there wasn't at Le Censier, except
> > for the occasional passing busker. Tonight's band here at Bad Habits is
> > a trio consisting of a guitarist, a drummer, and a chick singer doing
> > torch ballads. Kinda cool, actually.
> > 
> > But yeah, it's really good to be home.
> > 
> > Don't get me wrong...I really *love* Paris. I get off on the
> > effervescent everchangingness of it all.
> > 
> > But here at home I get off on the silence.
> > 
> > It struck me tonight, walking Paris The Dog along familiar canals that
> > had been rendered unfamiliar -- and thus new and exciting -- by my
> > absence. The silence here is just *palpable*. And something in me
> > prefers the silence to the effervescence.
> > 
> > It's not a better/best, higher/lower thang, just a matter of preference.
> > Some think that a bubbly, effervescent, real French Champagne is the
> > best beverage going. Others prefer a more subtle drink, say a glass of a
> > nice St. Emilion Premier Cru. I'm a St. Emilion kinda guy myself, in
> > spades.
> > 
> > But I'm easy about it. At Bad Habits, they wouldn't know St. Emilion
> > from St. Nicolas. So a glass of Westmalle Triple will do. Served with a
> > side of silence as a chaser.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Why "Awakening" is delusion (Re: Another example of why Neo-Advaita is B.S.)

[emilymae.reyn]

This interview with James Swartz is easily accessible.
http://www.nondualitymagazine.org/nonduality_magazine.1.jamesswartz.htm



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Another half-baked idea that has gained currency
> in the Neo-Advaita world is the notion of
> `awakening.' While sleep and waking are reasonable
> metaphors to describe the states of self ignorance
> and self knowledge, Neo-Advaita assigns to them an
> experiential meaning that is not justified. Just as
> anything that lives, dies, anything that wakes, sleeps.
> The Self never slept nor does it awaken. The
> mind does. This waking up and going back to sleep
> —all of which takes place in the waking state incidentally—
> is a consequence of the play of the gunas in the mind.
> When the mind is sattvic, the reflection of the awareness
> shining on it causes the individual to `wake up,' i.e. to
> experience the self, but when rajas or tamas reappear,
> as they inevitably do, the mind is clouded over, the experience
> is lost and the mind `sleeps.' Until the extroverting and
> dulling
> vasanas are purified, the seeker is condemned to a frustrating
> cycle of waking and sleeping.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > One view that needs to be examined in this context is the notion
that
> > enlightenment can be
> > transmitted in some subtle experiential way via the physical
proximity
> > of a `master.' Traditional Advaita
> > disagrees with this view for the reason that ignorance is deeply
> > entrenched in the aspirant's thinking
> > and that it is only by deep reflection on the teachings that the
> > ultimate assimilation of the knowledge
> > is achieved. This assimilation is often called full or complete
> > enlightenment. On the other hand, the
> > transmission fantasy fits nicely into the Neo-Adviatic conception of
> > easy enlightenment, as it does
> > away with the need for serious practice. One need do nothing more
than
> > sit in the presence of a
> > master and presto-chango!—I wake up for good. If this were true,
> > however, the thousands who sit at
> > the feet of enlightened masters everywhere would be enlightened.
> >
> > James Swartz on Neo-Advaita
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > When actions conform to dharma, binding vasanas are neutralized.
> > Dharma
> > > means that I do what has to be done, irrespective of how I
> personally
> > feel about it. I do not
> > > want to pay my taxes, but I pay my taxes. I may not get a vasana
for
> > paying tax, but I will certainly
> > > eliminate any agitation associated with non compliance. But when
my
> > desires are all that matter, is it any
> > > wonder that whatever non-dual experience happens in the satsang
when
> > the mind is temporarily arrested
> > > by the group energy, quickly vanishes with the appearance of the
> next
> > binding desire? This is why the
> > > Neo-Advaita world is little more than thousands of people,
including
> > the teachers, who have had
> > > scores of non-dual experiences, but who at the end of the day are
> > still prisoners of their desires.
> > > Enlightenment is freedom from dependence on desired and feared
> > objects.
> > >
> > > James Swartz on Neo-Advaita
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
> > with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should solve 
> > our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it needs a 
> > demand of products and services in order to harness its capabilities to 
> > supply the demand.
> > 
> > This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
> > economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
> > world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries are 
> > not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform their 
> > cultures.
> > 
> > IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government that 
> > would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain because 
> > the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied by the US 
> > production capability.
> > 
> 
> 
> > In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart is 
> > powerful enough to create such a world government.  
> 
> I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.
> 
> 
> Which is exactly what is going to happen.  
> 
> 
> What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the American 
> Union of States.
> 
> Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !

Nabs,

The countries of Portugal, Spain, Greece and Italy are having problems with 
their economies.  Their governments are clueless as to how to solve their high 
unemployment rates and national debts.  They need a stronger world government 
to take over.  The European Union is apparently not helping at all.

Let's watch and find out what they do.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cruising for Burghers

[Mike Dixon]

Ja ja, und was ist ein Burgher Meister? Ist das nicht ein schnitzelbank? Nein 
nein das ist nicht ein schnitzelbank, das ist ein *Mayor*. Ausgezeichnet!

 


 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cruising for Burghers
  
 
   
 
For those of you who don't know Dutch, a burgher is not a slab of heated
cow on a bun, but a "citizen," a resident of the city. But on the first
really sunny and warm weekend of the year, the citizens here definitely
go out cruising.

But not in cars...in boats.

In many European cities, you kinda have to be rich to have a boat and
keep it in the city. The mooring costs are as high as the rents. So in
Paris on a day like this, most people take to the parks or to their
rooftops or hop on a train and go to the countryside.

In Leiden, you don't have to be rich to have a boat. You can be
comfortably middle class and have a boat, and many families do. Leiden
is, after all, built on an enormous network of canals, so half of the
homes and apartments in this city are "on the water." Mooring fees are
reasonable, especially if you own a place that is on the canal where you
want to tie up your boat.

Most of the year the boats just sit there, but on a day like today the
families who own them pile into the boats and head out for a cruise.
*Whole* families -- parents, grandparents, kids, grandkids, dogs --
climb into the boats and spend the day cruising the canals of their
cities.

Some are in shorts and T-shirts, others in bathing suits. You can see
the Dutch folks in bathing suits coming up the canal almost before you
can see the boats they are in. Their white skin -- deprived of the touch
of sunlight since the last day this nice, in September of last year --
pick up the sunlight and reflect it like the near-fluorescent white skin
of some bottom-dwelling fish. There are going to be some *serious* cases
of sunburn in Leiden tomorrow. :-)

But here and now, all of them seem to be having a shitload of fun
enjoying here and now. Good for them.

   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[Richard J. Williams]

Ann:
> I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin 
> die?
 >
Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't 
even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy 
and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most 
popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go  figure.

Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!

"A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for 
memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or 
an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark 
objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or 
fountains, and even entire parks."

Memorial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos or their
> > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we are
> > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The duration of
> > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be repeated
> > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by a known
> > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > 
> > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > 
> > 
> > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the same
> > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has affronted you,
> > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater Benefit Of
> > Humanity.
> > 
> > 
> > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster whose
> > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length. You may
> > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the person you
> > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds your own
> > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > 
> > 
> > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular focus, in
> > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific enemy. Of
> > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other* people on
> > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you risk
> > disqualification.
> > 
> > 
> > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to you, but
> > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its namesake,
> > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more than a day
> > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking it is.
> > 
> > 
> > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you must
> > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object you are
> > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to RESPOND, and
> > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you made. You
> > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they do NOT
> > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts demanding a
> > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > 
> > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per series, total
> > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as lack of
> > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for anyone
> > entering the contest).
> > 
> > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like levels of
> > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts being made
> > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring glassy-eyed at
> > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm of
> > invective. (This should not be a problem for anyone choosing to enter
> > such a contest, judging from past history.)
> > 
> > *Serious* extra points will be awarded to posters taking their *own*
> > faults and weaknesses and projecting them onto their enemy.
> > 
> > Good luck, and may the Best Narcissist win...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > Not like no-one else here does.
> > >
> > Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> > that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> > difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> > the TMO.
> >
Bhairitu: 
> The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the 
> post those links regularly.  
>
Thanks for the info. LoL!

http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/

> Or is TM really yesterday's news to you and you are just 
> punking people here?
> 
So, you don't live any where near a Golden Dome of Pure
Knowledge; never been inside a MMY dome; and you've never
been to Fairfield, IA and you're not in good standing with
the TMO; but I'm punking YOU? Go figure.

> > So far, we know that Alex has a brother who is a Raja.
> > Lawson visited Fairfield once, MJ said he was there in
> > a pod in the eighties. Sometimes I hear things at the
> > pool at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village in Austin.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > 'The Maharishi Effect'
> > A Personal Journey Through the Movement That
> > Transformed American Spirituality
> > by Geoff Gilpin
> > Tarcher, 2006

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[emilymae.reyn]

Male Yellow Warbler
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/9225279606/



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Ann:
> > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin
> > die?
>  >
> Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't
> even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy
> and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most
> popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go  figure.
>
> Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
>
> "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for
> memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or
> an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark
> objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or
> fountains, and even entire parks."
>
> Memorial:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos or
their
> > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we are
> > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The duration
of
> > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be
repeated
> > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by a
known
> > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > >
> > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > >
> > >
> > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the
same
> > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has
affronted you,
> > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater Benefit
Of
> > > Humanity.
> > >
> > >
> > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster
whose
> > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length. You
may
> > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the
person you
> > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds your
own
> > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > >
> > >
> > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular
focus, in
> > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific
enemy. Of
> > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other*
people on
> > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you risk
> > > disqualification.
> > >
> > >
> > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to
you, but
> > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its
namesake,
> > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more than
a day
> > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking it
is.
> > >
> > >
> > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you
must
> > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object you
are
> > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to
RESPOND, and
> > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you made.
You
> > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they do
NOT
> > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts demanding a
> > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > >
> > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per series,
total
> > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as lack
of
> > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for anyone
> > > entering the contest).
> > >
> > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like levels
of
> > > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts being
made
> > > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring
glassy-eyed at
> > > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm of
> > > invective. (This should not be a problem for anyone choosing to
enter
> > > such a contest, judging from past history.)
> > >
> > > *Serious* extra points will be awarded to posters taking their
*own*
> > > faults and weaknesses and projecting them onto their enemy.
> > >
> > > Good luck, and may the Best Narcissist win...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> salyavin, I too can't believe teasification isn't a real and or proper word. 
> It should be both IMHO. And maybe it will be if our NSA buddies are tracking 
> this tread. Anyway, I'm so glad you love crop circles but only in asterisks. 
> And is there a scientific reason for thinking the Space Brothers wouldn't 
> have their own websites?! One would logically think that if they can hurtle 
> themselves through space to get here, they could set up a little website, 
> etc. I'm just sayin.

But maybe the Space Brothers aren't trying to communicate with us?

Perhaps crop circles are aimed at crows who will turn out to be 
the true owners of the Earth. Or pigeons even... We just assume 
they must be for us as we have such a mighty opinion of ourselves.
 
> BTW, thank you too for all the cool info about the old fashioned typewriters 
> and why the letters were arranged in the qwerty order, to keep the keys from 
> getting jammed.  Love learning new stuff (-:
> 
> Last but not least I gotta ask what you think about the research just posted 
> by Susan. Good design for a scientific study?

Very interesting. Bit of a small sample, but a large signal from
it. And with a form of guided meditation too, which some people
round here will tell you does nothing at all.

Would like to see a similar type of experiment with TMers, I think
when people are caught out like that when they are acting naturally
is much better than when the are in an experimental setting where
white coat syndrome sets in and people start behaving - consciously
or not - how they think the doctors would want them to behave.

As for a mechanism, I'm not sure about the "interconnectedness"
explanation as I can't see any way we actually are connected,
especially in a woo-woo way.
 
What I think TM has done for me is put me in touch with my deeper
feelings and opened my heart a lot, so I guess that would make one
more empathetic.

I'm certainly more aware of my surroundings and how I affect other
people and how they affect each other, in as much as these things 
are self measurable anyway. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Bhairitu]

On 07/06/2013 10:56 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
 Not like no-one else here does.

>>> Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
>>> that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
>>> difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
>>> the TMO.
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the
>> post those links regularly.
>>
> Thanks for the info. LoL!
>
> http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/
>
>> Or is TM really yesterday's news to you and you are just
>> punking people here?
>>
> So, you don't live any where near a Golden Dome of Pure
> Knowledge; never been inside a MMY dome; and you've never
> been to Fairfield, IA and you're not in good standing with
> the TMO; but I'm punking YOU? Go figure.

And I could give a flying fuck about the TM-Sidhis anymore either. When 
I did practice we didn't need no stinkin' dome.  That's a Fairfield 
thing.  We used a large warehouse.  And you aren't paying attention 
because I've said many times I've been to Fairfield.

Are you really an idiot or do you just play on on the Internet?


>
>>> So far, we know that Alex has a brother who is a Raja.
>>> Lawson visited Fairfield once, MJ said he was there in
>>> a pod in the eighties. Sometimes I hear things at the
>>> pool at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village in Austin.
>>>
>>> Go figure.
>>>
>>> 'The Maharishi Effect'
>>> A Personal Journey Through the Movement That
>>> Transformed American Spirituality
>>> by Geoff Gilpin
>>> Tarcher, 2006
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Michael Jackson]

Brilliant! An impressive list of non-scientifically proven bullshit programs 
designed to separate you from your money.





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 1:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your 
masters every day...
 


  


> > > Not like no-one else here does.
> > >
> > Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> > that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> > difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> > the TMO.
> >
Bhairitu: 
> The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the 
> post those links regularly. 
>
Thanks for the info. LoL!

http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/

> Or is TM really yesterday's news to you and you are just 
> punking people here?
> 
So, you don't live any where near a Golden Dome of Pure
Knowledge; never been inside a MMY dome; and you've never
been to Fairfield, IA and you're not in good standing with
the TMO; but I'm punking YOU? Go figure.

> > So far, we know that Alex has a brother who is a Raja.
> > Lawson visited Fairfield once, MJ said he was there in
> > a pod in the eighties. Sometimes I hear things at the
> > pool at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village in Austin.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > 'The Maharishi Effect'
> > A Personal Journey Through the Movement That
> > Transformed American Spirituality
> > by Geoff Gilpin
> > Tarcher, 2006


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cruising for Burghers

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
> For those of you who don't know Dutch, a burgher is not a
> slab of heated cow on a bun, but a "citizen," a resident
> of the city. But on the first really sunny and warm weekend
> of the year, the citizens here definitely go out cruising.
>
We have "hamburgers" around here but the burgers don't have
"ham" in them - brought over by German immigrants from
over in Hamburg, Germany - the good burgers have steak in
them. LoL!

http://samsburgerjoint.com/ 

>From what I've read the John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich,
was one of the first people to use two pieces of bread with meat
inside them, but was Montagu hard at work at his desk or was
he just needing a free hand for gambling? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[Bhairitu]

On 07/06/2013 10:12 AM, John wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
>>> with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should solve 
>>> our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it needs a 
>>> demand of products and services in order to harness its capabilities to 
>>> supply the demand.
>>>
>>> This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
>>> economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
>>> world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries are 
>>> not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform their 
>>> cultures.
>>>
>>> IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government that 
>>> would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain because 
>>> the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied by the US 
>>> production capability.
>>>
>>
>>> In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart is 
>>> powerful enough to create such a world government.
>> I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly what is going to happen.
>>
>>
>> What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the American 
>> Union of States.
>>
>> Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !
> Nabs,
>
> The countries of Portugal, Spain, Greece and Italy are having problems with 
> their economies.  Their governments are clueless as to how to solve their 
> high unemployment rates and national debts.  They need a stronger world 
> government to take over.  The European Union is apparently not helping at all.
>
> Let's watch and find out what they do.

Ditch or highly restrict capitalism.  Small businesses only.  Make for a 
guaranteed national income. Capitalism is riddled with chaos and 
inequity and inappropriate in a world of 7.2 billion people.  It is a 
system ripe for robber barons to plunder.   Do you know that the people 
of those countries are rioting because they can no longer afford food?  
I look at the food prices in the US and wonder how it's going to until 
the dummies here wake up and start partying too.  I'll be there playing 
the music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> Brilliant! An impressive list of non-scientifically 
> proven bullshit programs designed to separate you 
> from your money.
> 
So, you were a TMer baker up there in a Golden Dome
of Pure Knowledge. Send me a link to your website and 
I'll add your name to the list: Maharishi's Baker.

LoL!

 
> > > > Not like no-one else here does.
> > > >
> > > Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> > > that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> > > difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> > > the TMO.
> > >
> Bhairitu: 
> > The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the 
> > post those links regularly. 
> >
> Thanks for the info. LoL!
> 
> http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[Michael Jackson]

I will never have my name associated with marshy who I hold in so little regard 
I don't even capitalize his nick name anymore, nor will I associate my name 
with any of his sycophants like you.




 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your 
masters every day...
 


  


mjackson74:
> Brilliant! An impressive list of non-scientifically 
> proven bullshit programs designed to separate you 
> from your money.
> 
So, you were a TMer baker up there in a Golden Dome
of Pure Knowledge. Send me a link to your website and 
I'll add your name to the list: Maharishi's Baker.

LoL!

> > > > Not like no-one else here does.
> > > >
> > > Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> > > that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> > > difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> > > the TMO.
> > >
> Bhairitu: 
> > The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the 
> > post those links regularly. 
> >
> Thanks for the info. LoL!
> 
> http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
> > with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should solve 
> > our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it needs a 
> > demand of products and services in order to harness its capabilities to 
> > supply the demand.
> > 
> > This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
> > economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
> > world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries are 
> > not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform their 
> > cultures.
> > 
> > IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government that 
> > would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain because 
> > the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied by the US 
> > production capability.
> > 
> 
> 
> > In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart is 
> > powerful enough to create such a world government.  
> 
> I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.
> 
> 
> Which is exactly what is going to happen.  
> 
> 
> What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the American 
> Union of States.
> 
> Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !
>
There is a brain in that little crop circle head!  :p
Good call on the last line, Nabby.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Event (Advent) Calendar Festival

[obbajeeba]

Therefore, since we presume Robin is not dead, so this makes the focus on an 
event!  The Robin Holiday!  The day of the year when all salute to Robin for 
his achievements in being brilliant enough to have so many focus on him in his 
absence, even more than the Maharishi on this FFL yahoo board, THE ROBIN EVENT 
DAY. 
What would be the best Moon transit and Sun transit or Chandra transit and 
Surya Transit to create what best fits this new celebration? 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Ann:
> > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin 
> > die?
>  >
> Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't 
> even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy 
> and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most 
> popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go  figure.
> 
> Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
> 
> "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for 
> memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or 
> an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark 
> objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or 
> fountains, and even entire parks."
> 
> Memorial:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos or their
> > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we are
> > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The duration of
> > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be repeated
> > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by a known
> > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > > 
> > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the same
> > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has affronted you,
> > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater Benefit Of
> > > Humanity.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster whose
> > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length. You may
> > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the person you
> > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds your own
> > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular focus, in
> > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific enemy. Of
> > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other* people on
> > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you risk
> > > disqualification.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to you, but
> > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its namesake,
> > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more than a day
> > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking it is.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you must
> > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object you are
> > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to RESPOND, and
> > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you made. You
> > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they do NOT
> > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts demanding a
> > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > > 
> > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per series, total
> > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as lack of
> > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for anyone
> > > entering the contest).
> > > 
> > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like levels of
> > > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts being made
> > > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring glassy-eyed at
> > > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm of
> > > invective. (This should not be a problem for anyone choosing to enter
> > > such a contest, judging from past history.)
> > > 
> > > *Serious* extra points will be awarded to posters taking their *own*
> > > faults and weaknesses and projecting them onto their enemy.
> > > 
> > > Good luck, and may the Best Narcissist win...
>

[FairfieldLife] Movie night in Leiden

[turquoiseb]

[https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1013496_62848987\
0508483_2022690842_n.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Jumbo 777 crash at San Francisco International

[Bhairitu]

The news at the moment is a crash of a jumbo jet 777 crashing at SFO.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=9164032

Early reports say that a lot of people were able to get out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 07/06/2013 10:12 AM, John wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
> >>> with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should 
> >>> solve our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it 
> >>> needs a demand of products and services in order to harness its 
> >>> capabilities to supply the demand.
> >>>
> >>> This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
> >>> economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
> >>> world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries 
> >>> are not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform 
> >>> their cultures.
> >>>
> >>> IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government 
> >>> that would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain 
> >>> because the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied 
> >>> by the US production capability.
> >>>
> >>
> >>> In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart 
> >>> is powerful enough to create such a world government.
> >> I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is exactly what is going to happen.
> >>
> >>
> >> What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the 
> >> American Union of States.
> >>
> >> Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !
> > Nabs,
> >
> > The countries of Portugal, Spain, Greece and Italy are having problems with 
> > their economies.  Their governments are clueless as to how to solve their 
> > high unemployment rates and national debts.  They need a stronger world 
> > government to take over.  The European Union is apparently not helping at 
> > all.
> >
> > Let's watch and find out what they do.
> 
> Ditch or highly restrict capitalism.  Small businesses only.  Make for a 
> guaranteed national income. Capitalism is riddled with chaos and 
> inequity and inappropriate in a world of 7.2 billion people.  It is a 
> system ripe for robber barons to plunder.   Do you know that the people 
> of those countries are rioting because they can no longer afford food?  
> I look at the food prices in the US and wonder how it's going to until 
> the dummies here wake up and start partying too.  I'll be there playing 
> the music.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A
>

This could be the USA national song if we don't watch out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Movie night in Leiden

[Share Long]

OH MY GOD! THEY'RE BOTH SO FLUFFY! And the yellow one is definitely a burgher 
Minion! Thanks, turq, very loveable, made my day (-:





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Movie night in Leiden
 


  



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Jumbo 777 crash at San Francisco International

[Mike Dixon]

Nazi Airlines.

 


 From: Bhairitu 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jumbo 777 crash at San Francisco International
  
 
   
 
The news at the moment is a crash of a jumbo jet 777 crashing at SFO.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=9164032

Early reports say that a lot of people were able to get out.

   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by your masters every day...

[seventhray27]

nana nana nna.

marshy, marshy, marshy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> I will never have my name associated with marshy who I hold in so
little regard I don't even capitalize his nick name anymore, nor will I
associate my name with any of his sycophants like you.
>
>
>
> 
> From: Richard J. Williams richard@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 2:49 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers, was You are bought and sold by
your masters every day...
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
> mjackson74:
> > Brilliant! An impressive list of non-scientifically
> > proven bullshit programs designed to separate you
> > from your money.
> >
> So, you were a TMer baker up there in a Golden Dome
> of Pure Knowledge. Send me a link to your website and
> I'll add your name to the list: Maharishi's Baker.
>
> LoL!
>
> > > > > Not like no-one else here does.
> > > > >
> > > > Apparently there are no TM Teachers in good standing
> > > > that post to FFL, which figures. But, that makes it
> > > > difficult to find out what's happening up there inside
> > > > the TMO.
> > > >
> > Bhairitu:
> > > The TMO has plenty of websites you can read. Some of the
> > > post those links regularly.
> > >
> > Thanks for the info. LoL!
> >
> > http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Event (Advent) Calendar Festival

[seventhray27]

yur anus?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
>
> Therefore, since we presume Robin is not dead, so this makes the focus
on an event! The Robin Holiday! The day of the year when all salute to
Robin for his achievements in being brilliant enough to have so many
focus on him in his absence, even more than the Maharishi on this FFL
yahoo board, THE ROBIN EVENT DAY.
> What would be the best Moon transit and Sun transit or Chandra transit
and Surya Transit to create what best fits this new celebration?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" richard@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ann:
> > > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin
> > > die?
> > >
> > Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't
> > even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy
> > and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most
> > popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go figure.
> >
> > Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
> >
> > "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for
> > memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or
> > an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark
> > objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or
> > fountains, and even entire parks."
> >
> > Memorial:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos or
their
> > > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we
are
> > > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The
duration of
> > > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be
repeated
> > > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by a
known
> > > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > > >
> > > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the same
> > > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has
affronted you,
> > > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater
Benefit Of
> > > > Humanity.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster
whose
> > > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length. You
may
> > > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the
person you
> > > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds
your own
> > > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular
focus, in
> > > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific
enemy. Of
> > > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other*
people on
> > > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you risk
> > > > disqualification.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to
you, but
> > > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its
namesake,
> > > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more
than a day
> > > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking
it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you
must
> > > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object you
are
> > > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to
RESPOND, and
> > > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you
made. You
> > > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they
do NOT
> > > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts demanding
a
> > > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > > >
> > > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per series,
total
> > > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as
lack of
> > > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for
anyone
> > > > entering the contest).
> > > >
> > > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like
levels of
> > > > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts
being made
> > > > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring
glassy-eyed at
> > > > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm
of
> > > > invective. (This should not be a problem for anyone choosing to
enter
> > > > such a contest, judging from past history.)
> > > >
> > > > *Serious* extra points will be awarded to posters taking their
*own*
> > > > faults and weaknesses and projecting them onto their enemy.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck, and may the Best Narcissist win...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Event (Advent) Calendar Festival

[emilymae.reyn]

Dear Steve, meditate on this photo for an hour.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>
> yur anus?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> > Therefore, since we presume Robin is not dead, so this makes the
focus
> on an event! The Robin Holiday! The day of the year when all salute to
> Robin for his achievements in being brilliant enough to have so many
> focus on him in his absence, even more than the Maharishi on this FFL
> yahoo board, THE ROBIN EVENT DAY.
> > What would be the best Moon transit and Sun transit or Chandra
transit
> and Surya Transit to create what best fits this new celebration?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" richard@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ann:
> > > > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin
> > > > die?
> > > >
> > > Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't
> > > even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy
> > > and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most
> > > popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
> > >
> > > "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for
> > > memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or
> > > an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark
> > > objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or
> > > fountains, and even entire parks."
> > >
> > > Memorial:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos
or
> their
> > > > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we
> are
> > > > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The
> duration of
> > > > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be
> repeated
> > > > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by
a
> known
> > > > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the
same
> > > > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has
> affronted you,
> > > > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater
> Benefit Of
> > > > > Humanity.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster
> whose
> > > > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length.
You
> may
> > > > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the
> person you
> > > > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds
> your own
> > > > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular
> focus, in
> > > > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific
> enemy. Of
> > > > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other*
> people on
> > > > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you
risk
> > > > > disqualification.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to
> you, but
> > > > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its
> namesake,
> > > > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more
> than a day
> > > > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking
> it is.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you
> must
> > > > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object
you
> are
> > > > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to
> RESPOND, and
> > > > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you
> made. You
> > > > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they
> do NOT
> > > > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts
demanding
> a
> > > > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per
series,
> total
> > > > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as
> lack of
> > > > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for
> anyone
> > > > > entering the contest).
> > > > >
> > > > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like
> levels of
> > > > > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts
> being made
> > > > > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring
> glassy-eyed at
> > > > > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm
> of
> > > > > invective. (This should not be a problem for anyone choosing
to
> enter
> > > > > such a contest, judging from past history.)
> > > > >
> > > > > *Serious* extra points will be awarded to posters taking their
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Empire Conquering Day! (or the Future of the USA)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems 
> > > with the rest of the world.  It would too easy to say that we should 
> > > solve our problems first and the rest will take care of itself.  But it 
> > > needs a demand of products and services in order to harness its 
> > > capabilities to supply the demand.
> > > 
> > > This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US 
> > > economic equation.  As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the 
> > > world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan.  These countries 
> > > are not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform 
> > > their cultures.
> > > 
> > > IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government 
> > > that would try to improve everyone's quality of life.  The US would gain 
> > > because the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied 
> > > by the US production capability.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart 
> > > is powerful enough to create such a world government.  
> > 
> > I'm not proposing that the United Nations to take over.
> > 
> > 
> > Which is exactly what is going to happen.  
> > 
> > 
> > What I'm proposing is that the rest of the world countries join the 
> > American Union of States.
> > 
> > Joining bankruptcy, you must be joking !
> 
> Nabs,
> 
> The countries of Portugal, Spain, Greece and Italy are having problems with 
> their economies.  Their governments are clueless as to how to solve their 
> high unemployment rates and national debts.  They need a stronger world 
> government to take over.  The European Union is apparently not helping at all.
> 
> Let's watch and find out what they do.


Haven't you paid attention ? Already in 1989 Maharishi said; "Now that 
communism is gone the next to go is capitalism". We already know what will 
happen, the whole world economy will collapse.
In the inevitable chaos that will follow, only the United Nations has the 
structures, organization and a forum to solve the urgent needs of all the 
nations of the world. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Event (Advent) Calendar Festival

[obbajeeba]

Ha! Emily!
Steve, ur anus does not illuminate the sky. 
(oh god, did I open up for someone mooning in a picture!)
 I said Moon or Sun. Chandra or Surya. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
>
> Dear Steve, meditate on this photo for an hour.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > yur anus?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > >
> > > Therefore, since we presume Robin is not dead, so this makes the
> focus
> > on an event! The Robin Holiday! The day of the year when all salute to
> > Robin for his achievements in being brilliant enough to have so many
> > focus on him in his absence, even more than the Maharishi on this FFL
> > yahoo board, THE ROBIN EVENT DAY.
> > > What would be the best Moon transit and Sun transit or Chandra
> transit
> > and Surya Transit to create what best fits this new celebration?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" richard@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ann:
> > > > > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin
> > > > > die?
> > > > >
> > > > Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't
> > > > even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy
> > > > and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most
> > > > popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
> > > >
> > > > "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for
> > > > memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or
> > > > an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark
> > > > objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or
> > > > fountains, and even entire parks."
> > > >
> > > > Memorial:
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos
> or
> > their
> > > > > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we
> > are
> > > > > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The
> > duration of
> > > > > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be
> > repeated
> > > > > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > > > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by
> a
> > known
> > > > > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the
> same
> > > > > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has
> > affronted you,
> > > > > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater
> > Benefit Of
> > > > > > Humanity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster
> > whose
> > > > > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length.
> You
> > may
> > > > > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the
> > person you
> > > > > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds
> > your own
> > > > > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular
> > focus, in
> > > > > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific
> > enemy. Of
> > > > > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other*
> > people on
> > > > > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you
> risk
> > > > > > disqualification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to
> > you, but
> > > > > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its
> > namesake,
> > > > > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more
> > than a day
> > > > > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking
> > it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you
> > must
> > > > > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object
> you
> > are
> > > > > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to
> > RESPOND, and
> > > > > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you
> > made. You
> > > > > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they
> > do NOT
> > > > > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts
> demanding
> > a
> > > > > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per
> series,
> > total
> > > > > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as
> > lack of
> > > > > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for
> > anyone
> > > > > > entering the contest).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals.  But I suppose
> they are gratifying to you.

Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.

I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
had done so.

But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.

That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
care about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent
> > > egos or their misguided belief in their own writing
> > > abilities (or both), we are pleased to announce a mini-
> > > contest on Fairfield Life.
> > 
> > Do you ever stop long enough to read what you write
> > and realize it's all about you? I have to say, you
> > are the strangest, blindest human bean I have ever
> > encountered.
> 
> This is a problem for everyone who writes, because when
> we talk, write, etc., what we say typically represents
> our world view. So in a way this is a trivial comment,
> just as mine here is.

"In a way," i.e., if you hold "what you write is about you"
equivalent to "what you write represents your world view."

But that isn't what Ann was saying, of course. Can you figure
out what else she might have meant?

> Barry, Robin, Judy, Ravi, me and everyone else, we all
> write from our worldview POV. Sidestepping that view
> might be difficult. For example, if you 'hate' Barry,
> you could practise writing things that praise what he
> does. This is actually a spiritual technique - if you
> have a certain political persuasion, watch or listen to
> opponents of the view you feel is correct and see what
> happens in your experience. Views that are highly 
> polarised against some particular situation, perhaps,
> represents getting one's buttons pushed rather than
> wisdom, that is, we are acting mechanically in response
> to that situation, we cannot control our response, 
> or see mulitiple possibilities.

Well, you certainly have picked up *something* useful
from Robin. A lot of this is straight from Robin's post
"How to Know Reality's Point of View" (granted, you
wouldn't put that way, but it proposes very similar
techniques):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/321523

I may repost the whole thing (the first post in the series,
at any rate).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Memorial Narcissism Award

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
(snip)
> Why do so many people on this forum see so much dishonesty in
> people who write here?

You mean, like this?

"Now, some think he is better, and others think his
recriminations concerning his past are a ruse. Based
on his last appearance here, I still have suspicions."

And:

"He has made statements to the effect he regrets
having done this now.
(snip)
"3. Some accept these statements as 'true', and some
as 'false'.
"4. I am not sure that these statements are 'true'.
"5. As a result of this, and as a result of my online
interaction with him, I have suspicions concerning his
motives, which I cannot know directly but only infer
from the way he writes."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly pointed
out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to truth" they
are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone repeatedly how "this is
a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am going to perform this trick.

but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I hope is
gratifying for you.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > they are gratifying to you.
>
> Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
>
> I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> had done so.
>
> But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
>
> That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> care about it.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> going to perform this trick.

Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
a deceiver, is it?

> but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> hope is gratifying for you.

Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
been highly regarded throughout history, something to
strive for.

http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html

(I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)

But there are always those who can't see the importance of
truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.




> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > they are gratifying to you.
> >
> > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> >
> > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > had done so.
> >
> > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> >
> > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > care about it.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly pointed
> out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to truth" they
> are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone repeatedly how "this is
> a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am going to perform this trick.
> 
> but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I hope is
> gratifying for you.

And how do you see yourself "spending your life force" Steve? How can you fault 
anyone for caring about truth, whether you believe that particular person is 
misguided or off base or not? How come you can sit there and make these mocking 
noises when your greatest contribution here appears to be belittling others? 
Who do you perceive yourself to be that you can afford to jibber away in the 
corner laughing and scorning others who take umbrage at lies, manipulation s 
and the conscious twisting of true things? When did you decide life was not 
worth living well or deeply?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > they are gratifying to you.
> >
> > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> >
> > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > had done so.
> >
> > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> >
> > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > care about it.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > going to perform this trick.
>
> Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> a deceiver, is it?And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
fill in the blank, (as you do), with whomever you determine to be the
liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
candidates.  And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for the
two different awards that have shown up now.

>
> > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > hope is gratifying for you.
>
> Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> strive for.
>
> http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
>
> (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
>
> But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
>
>
>
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > >
> > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > >
> > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > had done so.
> > >
> > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > >
> > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > care about it.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
pointed
> > out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to truth" they
> > are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone repeatedly how
"this is
> > a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am going to perform this trick.
> >
> > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I hope is
> > gratifying for you.
>
> And how do you see yourself "spending your life force" Steve?Why don't
you ask that question to my family, to my employees, or to the local
media who have made it point to compare our business to places like
Nordstroms or Ritz Carlton as an example of of a (small) company that
offers superior customer service.
  How can you fault anyone for caring about truth, whether you believe
that particular person is misguided or off base or not? Yow Ann.  I'm
not going to go along with this.  I do feel a need to speak out if I
feel a person is misguided.  Don't you?
How come you can sit there and make these mocking noises when your
greatest contribution here appears to be belittling others? Sort of one
sided, I think. But I can live that assessment, if that is how you see
things.
Who do you perceive yourself to be that you can afford to jibber away in
the corner laughing and scorning others who take umbrage at lies,
manipulation s and the conscious twisting of true things? Ann, remember,
opinions are like a-holes.  Everyone has one, and most of them stink.  I
include myself in this category, but I wonder if you do as well?
When did you decide life was not worth living well or deeply?You seem
pretty all knowing Ann.  Why don't you tell me?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > >
> > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > >
> > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > had done so.
> > >
> > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > >
> > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > care about it.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > > going to perform this trick.
> >
> > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > a deceiver, is it?

Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?

And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> fill in the blank, (as you do),

Which blank would this be, Stevie?

 with whomever you determine to be the
> liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> candidates.

Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.

> And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.

And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.

But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And 
another truth is that you've never retracted your
accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.

I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable, 
Stevie, but them's the breaks.

> And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
> here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for the
> two different awards that have shown up now.

Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.

> > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > hope is gratifying for you.
> >
> > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > strive for.
> >
> > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> >
> > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> >
> > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > >
> > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > had done so.
> > > >
> > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > >
> > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > > care about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
(snip)
>   How can you fault anyone for caring about truth, whether you believe
> that particular person is misguided or off base or not? Yow Ann.  I'm
> not going to go along with this.  I do feel a need to speak out if I
> feel a person is misguided.  Don't you?

Ann, our Stevie believes that truth-telling is misguided, so
anyone who does it is also misguided. That's why he's bravely
speaking out against it, to stay on Barry's good side.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook and
offer you compassion.
You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > > > going to perform this trick.
> > >
> > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > a deceiver, is it?
>
> Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
>
> And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > fill in the blank, (as you do),
>
> Which blank would this be, Stevie?
>
>  with whomever you determine to be the
> > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > candidates.
>
> Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
>
> > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
>
> And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
>
> But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> another truth is that you've never retracted your
> accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
>
> I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> Stevie, but them's the breaks.
>
> > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
> > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for
the
> > two different awards that have shown up now.
>
> Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
>
> > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > >
> > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > strive for.
> > >
> > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > >
> > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> > >
> > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > > had done so.
> > > > >
> > > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > > > care about it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Yes Judy,
Don't say a word. Pappa's going to buy you a mocking bird.And if that
mocking bird won't sing, Pappa's going to buy you a diamond ring.And if
that diamond ring turns brass, Pappa's going to buy you a looking
glass.And if that looking glass gets broke, Pappa's  going to buy you a
billy goat.And if that billy goat won't pull, Pappa's going to buy you a
cart and bull.And if that cart and bull goes down, you'll still be the
sweetest baby in town.
Quiet your mind Judy.  All's well.  Get some rest, and wake up refreshed
to fight tomorrows battles.  I know they're still be here for you.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> (snip)
> >   How can you fault anyone for caring about truth, whether you
believe
> > that particular person is misguided or off base or not? Yow Ann. 
I'm
> > not going to go along with this.  I do feel a need to speak out if I
> > feel a person is misguided.  Don't you?
>
> Ann, our Stevie believes that truth-telling is misguided, so
> anyone who does it is also misguided. That's why he's bravely
> speaking out against it, to stay on Barry's good side.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[authfriend]

It doesn't take long to make you realize you're in
over your head, Stevie. Next time think about whether
you really want to take that plunge, eh?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook and
> offer you compassion.
> You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > >
> > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > a deceiver, is it?
> >
> > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> >
> > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> >
> > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> >
> >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > candidates.
> >
> > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> >
> > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> >
> > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> >
> > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> > another truth is that you've never retracted your
> > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
> >
> > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> > Stevie, but them's the breaks.
> >
> > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
> > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for
> the
> > > two different awards that have shown up now.
> >
> > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
> >
> > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > > >
> > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > > strive for.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > > >
> > > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> > > >
> > > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > > > had done so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those wh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Yes Judy.  Of course Judy.  As you wish, Judy.
Sweet dreams Judy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> It doesn't take long to make you realize you're in
> over your head, Stevie. Next time think about whether
> you really want to take that plunge, eh?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook
and
> > offer you compassion.
> > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis
aptly
> > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how
"dedicated to
> > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I
am
> > > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done
noting),
> > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > > a deceiver, is it?
> > >
> > > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> > >
> > > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> > >
> > > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> > >
> > >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > > candidates.
> > >
> > > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> > >
> > > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> > >
> > > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> > >
> > > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> > > another truth is that you've never retracted your
> > > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
> > >
> > > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> > > Stevie, but them's the breaks.
> > >
> > > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps
someone
> > > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > > > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate
for
> > the
> > > > two different awards that have shown up now.
> > >
> > > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> > > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> > > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
> > >
> > > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > > > strive for.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > > > >
> > > > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > > > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> > > > >
> > > > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > > > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > > > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > > > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > > > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> > steve.sundur@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I
suppose
> > > > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > > > > had done so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[doctordumbass]

Hey Steve, I've been following this back and forth, for awhile. In terms of how 
you like to interact here, which I think mirrors your daily life and work, 
congenial, comes to mind. You and I could probably go to lunch and not mention 
TM, or any of the FFL topics, and still have plenty to yak about, and have a 
good time. I enjoy not always winding everything out, too.

On the other hand, it was my business and skill for many years, to ensure 
clarity and understanding regarding the design, development, and transfer of 
very technical knowledge, to engineers and technicians, so that satellites, 
lasers, large phone switches, and data centers, for example, didn't fuck up. As 
a result, I can determine, when I want to put the effort into it, now that I 
don't *have* to, whether or not someone is being illogical, exaggerating, 
skewing material, has a hidden agenda, etc. Over so many years of analysis, it 
becomes obvious.

Judy has a very consistent approach here. She is intent on unraveling the 
writing of those who are professing to say one thing, and in fact, through the 
mechanisms I referred to earlier, are saying something quite different. 
Further, if someone is simply expressing something, is there integrity in the 
expression? 

We do not have the luxury here to evaluate someone's body language and 
expressions here. It is all expressed through writing. So, the interactions 
between us are sometimes less than congenial, because there is no other way to 
further the thoughts expressed, sometimes, than to take exception. In everyday 
interaction, a raised eyebrow, or quick joke may suffice to move a conversation 
along, but here, with writing as the only tool, everything must be spelled out.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook and
> offer you compassion.
> You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > >
> > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > a deceiver, is it?
> >
> > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> >
> > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> >
> > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> >
> >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > candidates.
> >
> > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> >
> > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> >
> > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> >
> > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> > another truth is that you've never retracted your
> > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
> >
> > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> > Stevie, but them's the breaks.
> >
> > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
> > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for
> the
> > > two different awards that have shown up now.
> >
> > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
> >
> > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > > >
> > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > > strive for.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > > >
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook and
> offer you compassion.

Your eyesight is better than mine. I have never seen compassion from Share. 
She, instead, chooses to view me as arrogant. Are deprecating labels another 
form of open-heartedness? Emily might have an opinion on this as well. (Emily, 
feel free to ignore this.)

> You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to
> > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am
> > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > >
> > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done noting),
> > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > a deceiver, is it?
> >
> > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> >
> > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> >
> > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> >
> >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > candidates.
> >
> > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> >
> > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> >
> > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> >
> > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> > another truth is that you've never retracted your
> > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
> >
> > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> > Stevie, but them's the breaks.
> >
> > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps someone
> > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate for
> the
> > > two different awards that have shown up now.
> >
> > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
> >
> > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > > >
> > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > > strive for.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > > >
> > > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> > > >
> > > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > > > had done so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Thank you Jim.
A couple things come to mind. (as I am here at work, getting things in
order so that I can go on vacation tomorrow with a somewhat unfettered
mind)
I am not sure if I have as much invested in this site as Judy.  On the
other hand, I do tend to trust my judgments, which many times are snap
judgements.
And it may be that when I take the time, to look more closely at
something, (as I did recently at Judy's prodding), such as whether Robin
was being truthful when he said he didn't strike someone, (and the
context), then it may be that I modify my position some.
But in that exact example a lot of effort was expended for a pretty
small adjustment.
I think the main complaint I hear about me is that I am too emotional in
my judgments.
Perhaps I am.
On the other hand, it is always nice to have the real world to help you
keep score on things.
I will read over what you've written and see if anything else comes to
mind.
But I just don't know if I can come around to seeing Judy in a different
light, than what I do.
I'll try to keep an open mind.
Thanks for your feedback.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Hey Steve, I've been following this back and forth, for awhile. In
terms of how you like to interact here, which I think mirrors your daily
life and work, congenial, comes to mind. You and I could probably go to
lunch and not mention TM, or any of the FFL topics, and still have
plenty to yak about, and have a good time. I enjoy not always winding
everything out, too.
>
> On the other hand, it was my business and skill for many years, to
ensure clarity and understanding regarding the design, development, and
transfer of very technical knowledge, to engineers and technicians, so
that satellites, lasers, large phone switches, and data centers, for
example, didn't fuck up. As a result, I can determine, when I want to
put the effort into it, now that I don't *have* to, whether or not
someone is being illogical, exaggerating, skewing material, has a hidden
agenda, etc. Over so many years of analysis, it becomes obvious.
>
> Judy has a very consistent approach here. She is intent on unraveling
the writing of those who are professing to say one thing, and in fact,
through the mechanisms I referred to earlier, are saying something quite
different. Further, if someone is simply expressing something, is there
integrity in the expression?
>
> We do not have the luxury here to evaluate someone's body language and
expressions here. It is all expressed through writing. So, the
interactions between us are sometimes less than congenial, because there
is no other way to further the thoughts expressed, sometimes, than to
take exception. In everyday interaction, a raised eyebrow, or quick joke
may suffice to move a conversation along, but here, with writing as the
only tool, everything must be spelled out.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook
and
> > offer you compassion.
> > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis
aptly
> > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how
"dedicated to
> > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I
am
> > > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done
noting),
> > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > > a deceiver, is it?
> > >
> > > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> > >
> > > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> > >
> > > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> > >
> > >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > > candidates.
> > >
> > > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> > >
> > > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> > >
> > > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> > >
> > > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > > suicide when it was actually Barry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Thank you Ann, for your reply.  And to borrow again from the Share
playbook, regarding differences of opinion, "The world is a crazy and
fun place", (to paraphrase)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook
and
> > offer you compassion.
>
> Your eyesight is better than mine. I have never seen compassion from
Share. She, instead, chooses to view me as arrogant. Are deprecating
labels another form of open-heartedness? Emily might have an opinion on
this as well. (Emily, feel free to ignore this.)
>
> > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis
aptly
> > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how
"dedicated to
> > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I
am
> > > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done
noting),
> > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > > a deceiver, is it?
> > >
> > > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> > >
> > > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> > >
> > > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> > >
> > >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > > candidates.
> > >
> > > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie.
> > >
> > > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here.
> > >
> > > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent
> > > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying.
> > >
> > > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've
> > > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your
> > > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's
> > > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And
> > > another truth is that you've never retracted your
> > > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it.
> > >
> > > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable,
> > > Stevie, but them's the breaks.
> > >
> > > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards.  Perhaps
someone
> > > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination.
> > > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process.
> > > > And yikes.  Could it be that you could be a possible candidate
for
> > the
> > > > two different awards that have shown up now.
> > >
> > > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my
> > > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if
> > > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you.
> > >
> > > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I
> > > > > > hope is gratifying for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't
> > > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their
> > > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their
> > > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally
> > > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to
> > > > > strive for.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html
> > > > >
> > > > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving
> > > > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.)
> > > > >
> > > > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of
> > > > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the
> > > > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the
> > > > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of
> > > > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> > steve.sundur@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I
suppose
> > > > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of brin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> pointed
> > > out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to truth" they
> > > are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone repeatedly how
> "this is
> > > a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am going to perform this trick.
> > >
> > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I hope is
> > > gratifying for you.
> >
> > And how do you see yourself "spending your life force" Steve?

>Why don't
> you ask that question to my family, to my employees, or to the local
> media who have made it point to compare our business to places like
> Nordstroms or Ritz Carlton as an example of of a (small) company that
> offers superior customer service.

Oh, so you focus your energies on business. I knew someone like that once - he 
was my father.

>>   How can you fault anyone for caring about truth, whether you believe
> >that particular person is misguided or off base or not? 

>Yow Ann.  I'm
> not going to go along with this.  I do feel a need to speak out if I
> feel a person is misguided.  Don't you?

Go along with what? Read my question again, I think you didn't understand it 
for some reason. You might find we actually agree on this one.

>> How come you can sit there and make these mocking noises when your
>> greatest contribution here appears to be belittling others?

> Sort of one
> sided, I think. But I can live that assessment, if that is how you see
> things.

This is what I like about you Steve. Even though it is self evident that it is 
"one sided" ( it is, after all, just my viewpoint and that would make it 
singular) you come across as a nice guy. (Share, was that belittling of me?)

>> Who do you perceive yourself to be that you can afford to jibber away in
>> the corner laughing and scorning others who take umbrage at lies,
>> manipulation s and the conscious twisting of true things? 

>Ann, remember,
> opinions are like a-holes.  Everyone has one, and most of them stink.  I
> include myself in this category, but I wonder if you do as well?

I don't think your answer went anywhere near my question but, in a strange way, 
you answered it completely, perhaps inadvertently.

>> When did you decide life was not worth living well or deeply?

>You seem
> pretty all knowing Ann.  Why don't you tell me?

Ah, the cutting jab. Well, I have no idea when you stopped or if you ever were 
committed to such things but it doesn't appear as if you have considered it 
much.

Share, take it away...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > >
> > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > had done so.
> > > >
> > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > >
> > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > > care about it.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[Ann]

Steve, have a wonderful few days off. Forget about all this FFL stuff and enjoy 
your family and your time away. I am sure you work very hard so take this time 
to revel in the fruits of your labours. Safe travels.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Thank you Jim.
> A couple things come to mind. (as I am here at work, getting things in
> order so that I can go on vacation tomorrow with a somewhat unfettered
> mind)
> I am not sure if I have as much invested in this site as Judy.  On the
> other hand, I do tend to trust my judgments, which many times are snap
> judgements.
> And it may be that when I take the time, to look more closely at
> something, (as I did recently at Judy's prodding), such as whether Robin
> was being truthful when he said he didn't strike someone, (and the
> context), then it may be that I modify my position some.
> But in that exact example a lot of effort was expended for a pretty
> small adjustment.
> I think the main complaint I hear about me is that I am too emotional in
> my judgments.
> Perhaps I am.
> On the other hand, it is always nice to have the real world to help you
> keep score on things.
> I will read over what you've written and see if anything else comes to
> mind.
> But I just don't know if I can come around to seeing Judy in a different
> light, than what I do.
> I'll try to keep an open mind.
> Thanks for your feedback.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Steve, I've been following this back and forth, for awhile. In
> terms of how you like to interact here, which I think mirrors your daily
> life and work, congenial, comes to mind. You and I could probably go to
> lunch and not mention TM, or any of the FFL topics, and still have
> plenty to yak about, and have a good time. I enjoy not always winding
> everything out, too.
> >
> > On the other hand, it was my business and skill for many years, to
> ensure clarity and understanding regarding the design, development, and
> transfer of very technical knowledge, to engineers and technicians, so
> that satellites, lasers, large phone switches, and data centers, for
> example, didn't fuck up. As a result, I can determine, when I want to
> put the effort into it, now that I don't *have* to, whether or not
> someone is being illogical, exaggerating, skewing material, has a hidden
> agenda, etc. Over so many years of analysis, it becomes obvious.
> >
> > Judy has a very consistent approach here. She is intent on unraveling
> the writing of those who are professing to say one thing, and in fact,
> through the mechanisms I referred to earlier, are saying something quite
> different. Further, if someone is simply expressing something, is there
> integrity in the expression?
> >
> > We do not have the luxury here to evaluate someone's body language and
> expressions here. It is all expressed through writing. So, the
> interactions between us are sometimes less than congenial, because there
> is no other way to further the thoughts expressed, sometimes, than to
> take exception. In everyday interaction, a raised eyebrow, or quick joke
> may suffice to move a conversation along, but here, with writing as the
> only tool, everything must be spelled out.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook
> and
> > > offer you compassion.
> > > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis
> aptly
> > > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how
> "dedicated to
> > > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone
> > > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I
> am
> > > > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the
> > > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done
> noting),
> > > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the
> > > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > > > a deceiver, is it?
> > > >
> > > > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie?
> > > >
> > > > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy.  You can
> > > > > fill in the blank, (as you do),
> > > >
> > > > Which blank would this be, Stevie?
> > > >
> > > >  with whomever you determine to be the
> > > > > liar of the hour, or the day.  Usually there is no shortage of
> > > > > candidates.
> > > >
> > > > Actual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as Curtis aptly
> > pointed
> > > > out: for someone to constantly declare how "dedicated to truth"
they
> > > > are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone repeatedly how
> > "this is
> > > > a plain, ordinary deck" with which I am going to perform this
trick.
> > > >
> > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I hope
is
> > > > gratifying for you.
> > >
> > > And how do you see yourself "spending your life force" Steve?
>
> >Why don't
> > you ask that question to my family, to my employees, or to the local
> > media who have made it point to compare our business to places like
> > Nordstroms or Ritz Carlton as an example of of a (small) company
that
> > offers superior customer service.
>
> Oh, so you focus your energies on business. I knew someone like that
once - he was my father.
Ann, you've got to be kidding.  I am a householder, I have
responsibilities to my family and my employees.  I have a job like most
other people.  I attempt to do it well.  Your dad was a business titan. 
I am a business small fry, and my business is a means to an end.  But I
take pride in it, as do my the other employees.  Are you trying to read
some kind of obsession into this?
>
> >>   How can you fault anyone for caring about truth, whether you
believe
> > >that particular person is misguided or off base or not?
>
> >Yow Ann.  I'm
> > not going to go along with this.  I do feel a need to speak out if I
> > feel a person is misguided.  Don't you?
>
> Go along with what? Read my question again, I think you didn't
understand it for some reason. You might find we actually agree on this
one.
>
> >> How come you can sit there and make these mocking noises when your
> >> greatest contribution here appears to be belittling others?
>
> > Sort of one
> > sided, I think. But I can live that assessment, if that is how you
see
> > things.
>
> This is what I like about you Steve. Even though it is self evident
that it is "one sided" ( it is, after all, just my viewpoint and that
would make it singular) you come across as a nice guy. (Share, was that
belittling of me?)
>
> >> Who do you perceive yourself to be that you can afford to jibber
away in
> >> the corner laughing and scorning others who take umbrage at lies,
> >> manipulation s and the conscious twisting of true things?
>
> >Ann, remember,
> > opinions are like a-holes.  Everyone has one, and most of them
stink.  I
> > include myself in this category, but I wonder if you do as well?
>
> I don't think your answer went anywhere near my question but, in a
strange way, you answered it completely, perhaps inadvertently.
>
> >> When did you decide life was not worth living well or deeply?
>
> >You seem
> > pretty all knowing Ann.  Why don't you tell me?
>
> Ah, the cutting jab. Well, I have no idea when you stopped or if you
ever were committed to such things but it doesn't appear as if you have
considered it much.Ann, I guess I'll have to revert to a trite phrase. 
I simply try to live in the moment, and enjoy the moment.  Not always
easy, but I don't really know a better way.
>
> Share, take it away...

> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I suppose
> > > > > > they are gratifying to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record.
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you
> > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing
> > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in
> > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who
> > > > > had done so.
> > > > >
> > > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior--
> > > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people
> > > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't
> > > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can
> > > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't
> > > > > care about it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two for Stevie, one for Lawson

[seventhray27]

Thank you Ann.  This is rough coming in here and tying this up this
stuff.   At least the Sprint bill was manageable at $568.00.  (family
gets included though)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> Steve, have a wonderful few days off. Forget about all this FFL stuff
and enjoy your family and your time away. I am sure you work very hard
so take this time to revel in the fruits of your labours. Safe travels.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Jim.
> > A couple things come to mind. (as I am here at work, getting things
in
> > order so that I can go on vacation tomorrow with a somewhat
unfettered
> > mind)
> > I am not sure if I have as much invested in this site as Judy.  On
the
> > other hand, I do tend to trust my judgments, which many times are
snap
> > judgements.
> > And it may be that when I take the time, to look more closely at
> > something, (as I did recently at Judy's prodding), such as whether
Robin
> > was being truthful when he said he didn't strike someone, (and the
> > context), then it may be that I modify my position some.
> > But in that exact example a lot of effort was expended for a pretty
> > small adjustment.
> > I think the main complaint I hear about me is that I am too
emotional in
> > my judgments.
> > Perhaps I am.
> > On the other hand, it is always nice to have the real world to help
you
> > keep score on things.
> > I will read over what you've written and see if anything else comes
to
> > mind.
> > But I just don't know if I can come around to seeing Judy in a
different
> > light, than what I do.
> > I'll try to keep an open mind.
> > Thanks for your feedback.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Steve, I've been following this back and forth, for awhile. In
> > terms of how you like to interact here, which I think mirrors your
daily
> > life and work, congenial, comes to mind. You and I could probably go
to
> > lunch and not mention TM, or any of the FFL topics, and still have
> > plenty to yak about, and have a good time. I enjoy not always
winding
> > everything out, too.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, it was my business and skill for many years, to
> > ensure clarity and understanding regarding the design, development,
and
> > transfer of very technical knowledge, to engineers and technicians,
so
> > that satellites, lasers, large phone switches, and data centers, for
> > example, didn't fuck up. As a result, I can determine, when I want
to
> > put the effort into it, now that I don't *have* to, whether or not
> > someone is being illogical, exaggerating, skewing material, has a
hidden
> > agenda, etc. Over so many years of analysis, it becomes obvious.
> > >
> > > Judy has a very consistent approach here. She is intent on
unraveling
> > the writing of those who are professing to say one thing, and in
fact,
> > through the mechanisms I referred to earlier, are saying something
quite
> > different. Further, if someone is simply expressing something, is
there
> > integrity in the expression?
> > >
> > > We do not have the luxury here to evaluate someone's body language
and
> > expressions here. It is all expressed through writing. So, the
> > interactions between us are sometimes less than congenial, because
there
> > is no other way to further the thoughts expressed, sometimes, than
to
> > take exception. In everyday interaction, a raised eyebrow, or quick
joke
> > may suffice to move a conversation along, but here, with writing as
the
> > only tool, everything must be spelled out.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bless you Judy.  I am going to take a nod from the Share
playbook
> > and
> > > > offer you compassion.
> > > > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> > steve.sundur@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sure Judy.  Carry on with your truth campaign.  as
Curtis
> > aptly
> > > > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how
> > "dedicated to
> > > > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling
everyone
> > > > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with
which I
> > am
> > > > > > > > going to perform this trick.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike
the
> > > > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done
> > noting),
> > > > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that
the
> > > > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as
> > > > > > > a deceive

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumbo 777 crash at San Francisco International

[John]

I took that airline many years ago.  They fine then.  We'll find out what 
actually went wrong after the inquiry.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The news at the moment is a crash of a jumbo jet 777 crashing at SFO.
> http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=9164032
> 
> Early reports say that a lot of people were able to get out.
>

[FairfieldLife] Wiki of the day: Zeitgeist

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist  [~~tsite-giste?]

The first interpretation is reflected well in Indian context in the eleventh 
canto of Bhagavad Gita, a holy book of Hindus in a verse as said by Krishna, a 
godhead of Hindus, to Arjuna inspiring him to fight the battle of Kurukshetra, 
which translated into English means, "I am Time who wastes and destroys the 
people; lo, I have arisen in my might, I am here to swallow up the nations. 
Even without thee all they shall not be, the men of war who stand arrayed in 
the opposing squadrons. Therefore do thou arise and get thee great glory, 
conquer thy foes and enjoy a great and wealthy empire. For these, they were 
already slain and it is I who have slain them; be the occasion only, O 
Savyasachin".[3]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Announcing the Robin Carlsen Event (Advent) Calendar Festival

[card]

Probably because 'Robin' is such a "auspicious" name?

What if his name instead was Ebeneezer Scrooge, or somesuch??

Robin (Packalen):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNfwMepTuZ0

(Can't believe my eyes: that *girl* did a perfect
Frontside Ollie!)

RoFLoL!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> yur anus?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> > Therefore, since we presume Robin is not dead, so this makes the focus
> on an event! The Robin Holiday! The day of the year when all salute to
> Robin for his achievements in being brilliant enough to have so many
> focus on him in his absence, even more than the Maharishi on this FFL
> yahoo board, THE ROBIN EVENT DAY.
> > What would be the best Moon transit and Sun transit or Chandra transit
> and Surya Transit to create what best fits this new celebration?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" richard@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ann:
> > > > I noticed this is a memorial award. When did Robin
> > > > die?
> > > >
> > > Now this is funny. A memorial for a narcissist who isn't
> > > even dead, posted by a narcissist who never met the guy
> > > and never read any of his books. Now Robin is the most
> > > popular subject on FFL, according to Yahoo. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot, Barry! LoL!
> > >
> > > "A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for
> > > memory of something, usually a person (who has died) or
> > > an event. Popular forms of memorials include landmark
> > > objects or art objects such as sculptures, statues or
> > > fountains, and even entire parks."
> > >
> > > Memorial:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For those who pride themselves either on their corpulent egos or
> their
> > > > > misguided belief in their own writing abilities (or both), we
> are
> > > > > pleased to announce a mini-contest on Fairfield Life. The
> duration of
> > > > > this contest extends through the rest of 2013, and will be
> repeated
> > > > > annually. The recipient will receive the coveted Robin Carlsen
> > > > > Narcissism Trophy, a large statuette of the word ME carved by a
> known
> > > > > artist from a solid block of bullshit, and then gold-plated.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rules of this contest are simple:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * You must write a number of "serial posts," each with the same
> > > > > Subject line, each lambasting some personal enemy who has
> affronted you,
> > > > > and whom you must officially Take To Task, For The Greater
> Benefit Of
> > > > > Humanity.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * Each of these serial posts must be (in honor of the poster
> whose
> > > > > name adorns the trophy) a minimum of 3,000 words in length. You
> may
> > > > > "pad" your entries somewhat by including long quotes from the
> person you
> > > > > are ragging on, but if the word count of these quotes exceeds
> your own
> > > > > verbiage, you risk disqualification.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * Each of the serial posts in a series must have a singular
> focus, in
> > > > > that most of the rants have to be trying to "get" one specific
> enemy. Of
> > > > > course you can throw in the occasional tirade against *other*
> people on
> > > > > this forum you hate, but again if you include too many, you risk
> > > > > disqualification.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * The number of posts to be included in this series is up to
> you, but
> > > > > be warned that the "standard" in this contest was set by its
> namesake,
> > > > > so any number less than five in a row, separated by any more
> than a day
> > > > > between posts, will be perceived (and rightly) as the slacking
> it is.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * At the end of your post series, to qualify for the award you
> must
> > > > > present an impassioned, whiny plea/demand to the hate-object you
> are
> > > > > ragging on (and to anyone else reading your post series) to
> RESPOND, and
> > > > > in fact respond by arguing with you about *every* point you
> made. You
> > > > > are free to impugn their character in any way you want if they
> do NOT
> > > > > respond, and you are free to make multiple whine-posts demanding
> a
> > > > > RESPONSE, even after the series is over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Points will be awarded for the total number of posts per series,
> total
> > > > > word count, and amount of sheer invective hurled, as well as
> lack of
> > > > > creativity and bad writing (which we assume is a given for
> anyone
> > > > > entering the contest).
> > > > >
> > > > > Extra points will be awarded for achieving near-Robin-like
> levels of
> > > > > manic narcissism and obsession, as demonstrated by the posts
> being made
> > > > > late at night, well after midnight posters' time, staring
> glassy-eyed at
> > > > > the screen and spewing venom non-stop in a veritable shitstorm
> of
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Shocker soccer!

[card]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2357279/Brazilian-referee-quartered-beheaded-fans-killing-player.html