[FairfieldLife] RE: O Mio Babbino Caro
Emptybill, I've listened to several singers after Judy made her comment on this thread. IMO, Charlotte Church sang it with passion, even though she was still very young when she sang this aria. But Sissel's version made it more understandable because of the subtitles.
[FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: [Double Decker Bus] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.ht\ ml http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.h\ tml
[FairfieldLife] RE: O Mio Babbino Caro
Judy, The us refers to the forum members, but I also meant it to mean me, myself and I.
[FairfieldLife] Re: O Mio Babbino Caro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: The us refers to the forum members, but I also meant it to mean me, myself and I. The good thing about multiple personality disorder is that you've always got someone to talk to. Also, masturbation is less lonely because you can always get one of the others to do it for you. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Ringo Starr recognized for 'Lifetime of Peace Love'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/01/20/ringo-starr-recognized-for-lifetime-of-peace-and-love/4666879/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/01/20/ringo-starr-recognized-for-lifetime-of-peace-and-love/4666879/
[FairfieldLife] HFCS: Japan's retaliation?
Japan's unintentional retaliation for H-shima and N-sagi? Wikipedia: HFCS was first introduced by Richard O. Marshall http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_O._Marshallaction=editredlink=1 and Earl R. Kooi http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Earl_R._Kooiaction=editredlink=1 in 1957. They were, however, unsuccessful in making it viable for mass production, primarily because the glucose-isomerizing activity they discovered required arsenate, which was highly toxic to human.[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup#cite_note-21 The glucose (xylose) isomerase that did not require arsenate ion for its catalytic activity and thus was industrially feasible was first discovered by Dr. Kei Yamanaka http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kei_Yamanakaaction=editredlink=1, Kagawa University, Japan, in 1961.[22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup#cite_note-22[23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup#cite_note-23 The industrial production process and creation was made by Dr. Yoshiyuki Takasaki http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yoshiyuki_Takasakiaction=editredlink=1 at the Agency of Industrial Science and Technology of Ministry of International Trade and Industry of Japan in 1965–1970. HFCS was rapidly introduced to many processed foods and soft drinks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_drink in the U.S. from about 1975 to 1985.
Re: [FairfieldLife] O Mio Babbino Caro
John, it is a beautiful melody and her voice is extraordinarily lovely. But the words! For me, they were quite mundane and did not at all match the deeply moving quality of the melody. Maybe I'll write new ones! On Monday, January 20, 2014 8:21 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Sissel sings this classical song with English subtitles. The translation gives an extra dimension to this song. Let us know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YKBrUqwIU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards?
And you put the fate of the world in those people's hands? On Tue, 1/21/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 3:21 AM First time ever I was kicked out of the Domes was for facial hair. They changed the guideline on facial hair after some while. (So much for administrative 'purity of the teaching'). Second or Third time out was for seeing saints. They subsequently granted me (only) an exemption. Jai Gurus Dev, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards?
I have a buddy who is a long time TM'er - years ago he went to see Muktananda, some kind of retreat - the first time he saw the swami, he was lecturing, Bill got to sit pretty close, it was a morning lecture. Bill said he really didn't feel any energy or anything during the event, But afterwards, one of the female disciples went to where one of Muktananda's number one or two men had been sitting drinking coffee, and she took the coffee cup and went around offering everyone a little of the coffee - the theory was this male disciple was so steeped in the energy of Swami Muktananda, if you put some drops of his coffee in your mouth, you would git some real good vibes and blessings. Bil declined the offer. I reckon that gal thought the male coffee drinker was some kind-a saint. On Tue, 1/21/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 3:35 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: First time ever I was kicked out of the Domes was for facial hair. They changed the guideline on facial hair after some while. (So much for administrative 'purity of the teaching'). Second or Third time out was for seeing saints. They subsequently granted me (only) an exemption. Jai Gurus Dev, -Buck in the DomeHow many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/
Re: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/26/an-open-letter-to-the-maker\ s-of-the-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-wolf-himself written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.ht\ ml http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.h\ tml
[FairfieldLife] Ringo Starr Honored With David Lynch Foundation's 'Lifetime Of Peace Love Award'
With David Lynch, Jim Carrey http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/9751038-ringo-starr-honored-with-david-lynch-foundations-lifetime-of-peace-love-award/ http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/9751038-ringo-starr-honored-with-david-lynch-foundations-lifetime-of-peace-love-award/
Re: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Smart man. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. I love the we part. As if the average human being wouldn't pocket the ransacked money and make off with it themselves. Rich or poor, the basic instinct is to survive and to survive in style. Those who claim they wouldn't love an extra $1,000,000 in the bank are fooling themselves. Granted, many are loathe to cheat and steal their way to accessing this and many would consider a billion dollars a little unnecessary but greed, avarice and the love of the good life is, to some extent, in all of us. Take a guy like Leonardo in his role as the Wolf, take away his gazillions and he'd still be the loan shark, the pimp or the drug dealer clawing his way toward his idea of fame and fortune. You don't have to be rich to embody all sorts of loathsome traits. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/26/an-open-letter-to-the-makers-of-the-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-wolf-himself written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. I could tell this film was worth a big miss by watching 2 minutes of the trailer. It looked like an indulgent mess on everyone's part. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
I like this part the best: After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. Hee hee! And I didn't know he was doing a film about Frankie - I wonder what kind of portrayal he'll give? I once read something about him that said he loved and admired mobsters - he once told friends that he'd rather be a bag man for the mafia than a big shot entertainer. And these are the people our society glorifies. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 1:58 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
Ann, I agree that there's an instinct to survive. But I don't think there's an instinct to survive in style, as you say. I think anything beyond basic survival needs is conditioned into us by the people and circumstances of our childhood. Remember the significance of Rosebud in Citizen Kane? Of course we're also hugely conditioned by our culture and this conditioning, from what I've read, spreads to the remotest corners of the earth via TV, etc. Supposedly Dallas was one of the most popular shows in Saudia Arabia! I think it's a matter of degree. I would wish for everyone on earth to have their basic needs met and even be comfortable. But I've seen pictures of solid gold doors in Dubai. Does someone really need a solid gold door to their house in order to be comfortable?! I admit I don't understand how such an imbalance continues decade after decade. There are people who collect very expensive cars for a hobby. And there are babies starving to death every day. I don't understand how this continues. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:22 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. I love the we part. As if the average human being wouldn't pocket the ransacked money and make off with it themselves. Rich or poor, the basic instinct is to survive and to survive in style. Those who claim they wouldn't love an extra $1,000,000 in the bank are fooling themselves. Granted, many are loathe to cheat and steal their way to accessing this and many would consider a billion dollars a little unnecessary but greed, avarice and the love of the good life is, to some extent, in all of us. Take a guy like Leonardo in his role as the Wolf, take away his gazillions and he'd still be the loan shark, the pimp or the drug dealer clawing his way toward his idea of fame and fortune. You don't have to be rich to embody all sorts of loathsome traits. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. I could tell this film was worth a big miss by watching 2 minutes of the trailer. It looked like an indulgent mess on everyone's part. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
Well, obviously there is virtue and there is vice and there are our spiritual practices of discipline to free the soul of the indentations of the subtle system created of vice. Some people are brought up badly. Fortunate though are those whom have good teachers who know better and can give spiritual help to others. Service to others is the great virtue as it undoes vice. Seek good company. Do good. Come to a group transcending meditation near you. So says the science. The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness. So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up in small things, and then it will be yours. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] RE: Girish Varma's judicial remand extended
Girish, our partner in India: http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/our-partner-in-india/ http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/our-partner-in-india/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Reading now, 1978 World Government News noticable then the World Government at the top included Indians: Rt. Hon. Kirti Shrivastava Rt. Hon. Praveen Shrivastava and Rt. Hon. Brahmachari Nandkishore “After the maharishi’s death in 2008, his vast empire of educational and other institutions in India and abroad was shared among various members of the family.” See: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/370423 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/370423 Nandkishore evidently was not family and apparently is out. Do these other families have controlling interests in estates there like Girish Varma that are also extra-territorial to the SBS Trust and SBS Foundation? The Shankaracharya? How much got away and is out of control of the SBS enclosures that were created at the end stage of Maharishi's life? There do NOT seem to be names of Indian families now with the SBS Boards. Are there villas in the names of these families in India like Girish's? Is there an Indian who can be trusted in TM? Evidently needs a little more transparency on the part of SBS Foundation and Trusts. http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
Spiritual Warfare Begins Within, In Field Effect of consciousness. As much as for just purely Selfish reasons, Being good communitarians and good citizens we all should be going to nearby group meditations to join with others in group transcending meditation, so the science says. Numbers and proximity do matter to everyone's spiritual well-being, so the science says. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: Well, obviously there is virtue and there is vice and there are our spiritual practices of discipline to free the soul of the indentations of the subtle system created of vice. Some people are brought up badly. Fortunate though are those whom have good teachers who know better and can give spiritual help to others. Service to others is the great virtue as it undoes vice. Seek good company. Do good. Come to a group transcending meditation near you. So says the science. The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness. So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up in small things, and then it will be yours. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] O Mio Babbino Caro
Si, John, Italian is a beautiful sounding language. Thanks for the detailed explanation of how the words of the song fit into the plot. Today we're experiencing Polar Vortex II! But the sun is shining so that helps a little. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:11 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, Yes, it's a very emotional song but I didn't understand the words until Sissel's video version came along. As we can see, the story is fairly simple: the girl asks her father for permission to get married. If not, she'll jump off a bridge to the waters below. You probably can write the English lyrics to fit the melody. But I still like the Italian lyrics to give it the opera flavor. Si?
Re: [FairfieldLife] O Mio Babbino Caro
Share, Yes, it's a very emotional song but I didn't understand the words until Sissel's video version came along. As we can see, the story is fairly simple: the girl asks her father for permission to get married. If not, she'll jump off a bridge to the waters below. You probably can write the English lyrics to fit the melody. But I still like the Italian lyrics to give it the opera flavor. Si?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards?
lol- I think I'll try that, over at the local Starbucks this morning, and see how long it takes, before the cops show up. No, really, I meditated over it... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have a buddy who is a long time TM'er - years ago he went to see Muktananda, some kind of retreat - the first time he saw the swami, he was lecturing, Bill got to sit pretty close, it was a morning lecture. Bill said he really didn't feel any energy or anything during the event, But afterwards, one of the female disciples went to where one of Muktananda's number one or two men had been sitting drinking coffee, and she took the coffee cup and went around offering everyone a little of the coffee - the theory was this male disciple was so steeped in the energy of Swami Muktananda, if you put some drops of his coffee in your mouth, you would git some real good vibes and blessings. Bil declined the offer. I reckon that gal thought the male coffee drinker was some kind-a saint. On Tue, 1/21/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 3:35 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: First time ever I was kicked out of the Domes was for facial hair. They changed the guideline on facial hair after some while. (So much for administrative 'purity of the teaching'). Second or Third time out was for seeing saints. They subsequently granted me (only) an exemption. Jai Gurus Dev, -Buck in the DomeHow many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/
[FairfieldLife] RE: O Mio Babbino Caro
You know, you can find English translations of the lyrics of most famous opera arias on the Web. Just do a search for English lyrics [title of aria]. Emptybill, I've listened to several singers after Judy made her comment on this thread. IMO, Charlotte Church sang it with passion, even though she was still very young when she sang this aria. But Sissel's version made it more understandable because of the subtitles.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, I agree that there's an instinct to survive. But I don't think there's an instinct to survive in style, as you say. I think anything beyond basic survival needs is conditioned into us by the people and circumstances of our childhood. Remember the significance of Rosebud in Citizen Kane? Of course we're also hugely conditioned by our culture and this conditioning, from what I've read, spreads to the remotest corners of the earth via TV, etc. Supposedly Dallas was one of the most popular shows in Saudia Arabia! I am not sure about the conditioning aspect with regard to wanting that little bit of style. I have lived in converted (barely) garages, I have lived in basement suites with no natural light, I have lived in mouse-infested and rat-infested temporary hovels and virtual shacks for one reason or another at various times (one of those times was when we were building our current house and we lived in the small 1935 hut/house for 16 months). Believe me, I have experienced some pretty basic living conditions in the US and in Canada (including the most cockroach-infested apartment on the second floor of the one of the buildings around the square in FF during the late 70's.) And while I don't require solid gold doors, hardwood instead of old lino floors is nice, glass instead of plastic cups is preferable and a toilet that is not stained brown and flushes properly is my choice, in a pinch. We are talking about relative degrees here, not so much absurd levels where someone feels anything less than four houses and three yachts is unthinkable. Style can simply mean aesthetic over bare minimum. I think it's a matter of degree. I would wish for everyone on earth to have their basic needs met and even be comfortable. But I've seen pictures of solid gold doors in Dubai. Does someone really need a solid gold door to their house in order to be comfortable?! You are actually reinforcing my point with your examples: people tend to spiral toward absurdity, toward more and toward better and a level of consumption that can begin to border on obscene. And we are not simply talking about the rich, we are talking about the guy in Dubai (your example) or the kid on the streets of some tough city whose idea of heaven is owning a big car and wearing lots of gold jewelry and might do just about anything to obtain those things. I admit I don't understand how such an imbalance continues decade after decade. There are people who collect very expensive cars for a hobby. And there are babies starving to death every day. I don't understand how this continues. Because it appears to be human nature, or at least the nature of a fairly large percentage of humans. MMY talked about this, we tend to move in the direction of greater and greater happiness and bliss, like little monkeys. It's just that for many, this idea of bliss is in the form of collecting and surrounding themselves with more and more stuff. And we haven't even touched on the subject of the power hungry. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:22 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. I love the we part. As if the average human being wouldn't pocket the ransacked money and make off with it themselves. Rich or poor, the basic instinct is to survive and to survive in style. Those who claim they wouldn't love an extra $1,000,000 in the bank are fooling themselves. Granted, many are loathe to cheat and steal their way to accessing this and many would consider a billion dollars a little unnecessary but greed, avarice and the love of the good life is, to some extent, in all of us. Take a guy like Leonardo in his role as the Wolf, take away his gazillions and he'd still be the loan shark, the pimp or the drug dealer clawing his way toward his idea of fame and fortune. You don't have to be rich to embody all sorts of loathsome traits. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/26/an-open-letter-to-the-makers-of-the-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-wolf-himself written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort.
Re: [FairfieldLife] O Mio Babbino Caro
That was a literal translation, Share. And not even a singable translation. Of course it isn't going to be as poetic as the original Italian. But if you have a literal translation to compare with the Italian lyrics, it's not hard to follow the Italian, and then you get the poetry and the drama. John, it is a beautiful melody and her voice is extraordinarily lovely. But the words! For me, they were quite mundane and did not at all match the deeply moving quality of the melody. Maybe I'll write new ones! On Monday, January 20, 2014 8:21 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Sissel sings this classical song with English subtitles. The translation gives an extra dimension to this song. Let us know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YKBrUqwIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YKBrUqwIU
[FairfieldLife] Jim Carrey: The Power of Consciousness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P779XJEq6vg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P779XJEq6vg RUSSELL BRAND ADDICTED TO CONSCIOUSNESS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp6Og18OYTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp6Og18OYTM Stern Interviews Russell Brand : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U
[FairfieldLife] many good reasons to return to...eating bugs!
http://www.upworthy.com/watch-the-food-youre-probably-not-eating-for-all-the-wrong-reasons-8?c=upw1
[FairfieldLife] RE: O Mio Babbino Caro
Much better, thank you. Since it is opera why not listen to it sung by some of the best mezzos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow1niq0mOwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow1niq0mOwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU3bJ5JJhlw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU3bJ5JJhlw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Advaita is about inherent freedom
To reiterate - the term maya in Advaita Vedanta is not real, yet not unreal; it is neither both nor neither. Maya in Advaita Vedanta is real in the sense that it is presented to us, but not real in the absolute sense. According to Shankara, maya is a superimposition on the real. Apparently there are no Vedanta scholars posting to this list, so lets just break it down and make it simple for people to understand: TM practice is yoga - based on the tantras and not on the Advaita Vedanta. MMY did not emphasize the notion that maya is illusion - that notion would be totally counter-productive for ordinary householders. Shankara's Advaita Vedanta is based on Sri Vidya and Kashmere Trika. It is a restatement of Buddhist Vijnanvada, which takes the ultimate reality to be pure consciousness, vijnana in Sanskrit. Liberation or moksha is release by aquiring vidya - knowledge. The term advaita in Sansrit means not-two - nondual idealism. Advaita Vedanta is the identity of the true Self, Atman, which is pure consciousness. Excerpt from vijnApti matratA siddhi by vasAabAndhu: Reality is Pure Conciousness; external objects do not exist outside thought. Reality can be directly realized by transcending the subject-object duality. (vimshAtika-Vrtti on kArikA 1 - Sharma). So, let's review what we know: The first historical proponent of Advaita Vedanta was the Adi Guru, Shri Gaudapadacharya, the teacher of Shankara and his teacher, Shri Govindacharya. Gaudapadacharya composed the Mandukya-Karika, the first treatise on non-dual consciousness, in which three states of consciousness are enumerated, and a transcendental state, turiya, which in Sanskrit means fourth. Excerpt from Mandukya Karia by Gaudapada: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness (IV 25-27 - Sharma). Shankaracharya founded ten sannyasin orders including the Saraswati; Shankara founded four seats of learning including the monestery at Sringeri. The guru of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was Swami Krishnananda Saraswati, both highly accomplished siddha yogis who followed the Sri Vidya tradition. SBS's student was Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (Karpatri Swami) a proponent of the non-dual Sri Vidya. MMY studied and learned yoga meditation under SBS for thirteen years and then founded the TMO. In 1968 MMY visited Srinagar with his students on TTC, and meditated in a group with Swami Lakmanjoo, the last guru of the Kasmere tantric system. Kashmere Shaivism is a form of transcendental, realistic idealism; a form of absolute monism. According to Kashmere Shaivism, 'Cit' is pure consciousness - the One Reality. The term trika in Sanskrit means three, refering to the three states of consciousness, called in Sri Vidya the three cities. Works cited: 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider, 1960 p. 245-246. 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu University Rider, 1960. p. 114. 'The Secret of the Three Cities' An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism by Douglas Renfrew Brooks University Of Chicago Press, 1990 Hariharananda Saraswati: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: This reply demonstrates that you are either unable to understand the post or you didn't read it. It also shows that you are probably unqualified to study advaita. The post was about Advaita - not Kashmiri Trika or Shri Vidya.Your reply is merely inane. Don't sully this one with your quasimoto, pseudo-professorial bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] Russel Brand on Kathy Perry, sex and Transcendental Meditation
Stern Interviews Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U
[FairfieldLife] Re: many good reasons to return to...eating bugs!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: http://www.upworthy.com/watch-the-food-youre-probably-not-eating-for-all\ -the-wrong-reasons-8?c=upw1 http://www.upworthy.com/watch-the-food-youre-probably-not-eating-for-al\ l-the-wrong-reasons-8?c=upw1 Growing up in Morocco, I had a number of Arab friends, who would occasionally invite me to dinner at one of their houses (and occasionally even in tents in the Sahara). I had been briefed before attending by mutual friends who made it clear to me that refusing to eat what was served to me was an insult of the highest order, so I managed to fairly gracefully expand my food horizons by doing what I'd been told to do. Suffice it to say that camels are not only for riding. :-) Thus I got to experience the delicacy of chocolate-covered ants. Does anyone remember the candy you used to be able to get in movie theaters called Raisinets? Well, they were sorta like that, but crunchy. And, to be perfectly honest, they were a bit of a high, probably because of the large amounts of protein and formic acid. Go figure. They ranked way down on the list of Weirdest Things I Was Ever Served, however. The top of the list, to this day, was a tasty soup served to me in a large ceramic Moroccan bowl that gave me the eye -- literally -- when it was placed in front of me. Floating on top of the tasty broth were several sheep's eyeballs. Given the gusto with which the other guests were busy devouring this delicacy, I kinda figured that this was one of those where the rubber meets the road culinary moments in which I kinda had to go there or risk offending my fairly wealthy and influential hosts. So I did. I will spare everyone the details of what it's really like to bite into a boiled eyeball, except to say that I survived. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Games People Play
[image: Inline image 1] We used to play video games on a TV set. Then we got an Atari game console. Then, there's the XBox, SONY Play Station and the Nintendo Wi game console. But these days kids and adults want to play games on their smartphone or tablet. Go figure. Pong (marketed as PONG) is one of the earliest arcade video games; it is a tennis sports game featuring simple two-dimensional graphics. While other arcade video games such as Computer Space came before it, Pong was one of the first video games to reach mainstream popularity. Pong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pong 'Nintendo’s Iwata Under Fire After Missing Wii U Forecast' http://www.bloomberg.com/news/http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/nintendo-s-iwata-under-fire-after-failing-to-meet-wii-u-pledge.html?cmpid=yhoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
They won't let you on their bus. On 01/21/2014 04:12 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
[FairfieldLife] Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U I knew you would finally click this link :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
And this is why some folks didn't get what I meant by using the term scam the other day with reference to people in Silicon Valley. It's been very interesting to watch (as well as be part of) the excesses of wealth in the area where VC's (also known as Vulture Capitalists by the old timers) throw money at startups. One con game that is popular here is 1) putting together some wild idea and then 2) getting the VC's to invest in it, 3) folding the company when the VC funding runs out and then go back to step 1 again and repeat the process. Occasionally one of the wild ideas does take off at which point a really big company will come along and buy it out. Regarding the rich, I did know a couple of children of an old money family. Before they were allowed access to their trusts they had to go out and prove that they knew the value of money by supporting themselves. True, this was a very liberal family line and pro the people. I suspect the conservative rich raise their kids to be pirates and to rape and plunder. On 01/21/2014 08:30 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, I agree that there's an instinct to survive. But I don't think there's an instinct to survive in style, as you say. I think anything beyond basic survival needs is conditioned into us by the people and circumstances of our childhood. Remember the significance of Rosebud in Citizen Kane? Of course we're also hugely conditioned by our culture and this conditioning, from what I've read, spreads to the remotest corners of the earth via TV, etc. Supposedly Dallas was one of the most popular shows in Saudia Arabia! I am not sure about the conditioning aspect with regard to wanting that little bit of style. I have lived in converted (barely) garages, I have lived in basement suites with no natural light, I have lived in mouse-infested and rat-infested temporary hovels and virtual shacks for one reason or another at various times (one of those times was when we were building our current house and we lived in the small 1935 hut/house for 16 months). Believe me, I have experienced some pretty basic living conditions in the US and in Canada (including the most cockroach-infested apartment on the second floor of the one of the buildings around the square in FF during the late 70's.) And while I don't require solid gold doors, hardwood instead of old lino floors is nice, glass instead of plastic cups is preferable and a toilet that is not stained brown and flushes properly is my choice, in a pinch. We are talking about relative degrees here, not so much absurd levels where someone feels anything less than four houses and three yachts is unthinkable. Style can simply mean aesthetic over bare minimum. I think it's a matter of degree. I would wish for everyone on earth to have their basic needs met and even be comfortable. But I've seen pictures of solid gold doors in Dubai. Does someone really need a solid gold door to their house in order to be comfortable?! You are actually reinforcing my point with your examples: people tend to spiral toward absurdity, toward more and toward better and a level of consumption that can begin to border on obscene. And we are not simply talking about the rich, we are talking about the guy in Dubai (your example) or the kid on the streets of some tough city whose idea of heaven is owning a big car and wearing lots of gold jewelry and might do just about anything to obtain those things. I admit I don't understand how such an imbalance continues decade after decade. There are people who collect very expensive cars for a hobby. And there are babies starving to death every day. I don't understand how this continues. Because it appears to be human nature, or at least the nature of a fairly large percentage of humans. MMY talked about this, we tend to move in the direction of greater and greater happiness and bliss, like little monkeys. It's just that for many, this idea of bliss is in the form of collecting and surrounding themselves with more and more stuff. And we haven't even touched on the subject of the power hungry. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:22 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. */Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. /* */ /* *I love the we part. As if the average human
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
Oh, but that would be taking other people's money which we all know they worked so hard for.:-D Actually I suspect Scorsese probably would say he got his desired effect with you. I haven't seen the film yet as I relegated it to the BD rental phase. You are not alone in your reaction to the Oxfram study (which I posted here yesterday) as I heard several radio commentators say the same thing. Just take their money and redistribute it. As I see it the the rich, like dogs, have so soiled their capitalist beds that the penalty should be global socialism for the next 400 years. Doesn't have to be mean, authoritarian or totalitarian. Could be very transcendental and pleasant. But looking at the weather, the coming drought and famine there might not be anyone around in 40 years let alone 400. On 01/21/2014 05:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. */Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/26/an-open-letter-to-the-makers-of-the-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-wolf-himself written by /**/Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. /* On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: HFCS: Japan's retaliation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ1XBVpOS28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ1XBVpOS28
[FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Oh, but that would be taking other people's money which we all know they worked so hard for.:-D Actually I suspect Scorsese probably would say he got his desired effect with you. I haven't seen the film yet as I relegated it to the BD rental phase. I'm not convinced of this. As the daughter of one of the real-life protagonists in this scandal pointed out in her open letter, *most* of the film consists of glorifying their actions and their lifestyle. It is not surprising, therefore, that one of the business editors of a large Wall Street publication reported going to see the movie a few blocks from where he worked, finding the theater full of traders, and hearing them laughing and applauding at all the wrong moments. That is, whenever the people onscreen got away with something illegal, whenever they screwed somebody over for money, and whenever someone made a sale to some retiree and managed to steal their life savings. I honestly think that although Scorcese says *now* that he was trying to be satirical, he was really still kinda impressed by all the macho, misogynist buddy-buddy shit, just as he has been in the past by similar behavior on the part of gangsters. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been so much of it in the film. And there might have been one -- even one -- scene or bit of dialog dealing with the *effect* these narcissistic assholes had on the people they stole from. I think Scorcese and DiCaprio got carried away with the buddy-buddy shit and lost sight of the true nature of the people they were trying to portray onscreen. You are not alone in your reaction to the Oxfram study (which I posted here yesterday) as I heard several radio commentators say the same thing. Just take their money and redistribute it. As I see it the the rich, like dogs, have so soiled their capitalist beds that the penalty should be global socialism for the next 400 years. Doesn't have to be mean, authoritarian or totalitarian. Could be very transcendental and pleasant. I still like the bus off the cliff approach. But looking at the weather, the coming drought and famine there might not be anyone around in 40 years let alone 400. With Share's post in mind, let them eat ants. On 01/21/2014 05:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. */Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter written by /**/Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. /* On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.ht\ ml
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
I am more impressed by the first 30 seconds or so where Brand talks about the possibility of sticking the banana up his own ass - truly a fine example of the virtues of TM and TMSP - and truly a wonderful spokesperson for TM and David Lynch. On Tue, 1/21/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 5:10 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z6d5lQd3U I knew you would finally click this link :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many good reasons to return to...eating bugs!
turq, you have me LOLing with this eyeball story. Reminds me of a Star Wars moment whose details now escape me. Except for a floating in soup eyeball! PS Yes, I remember Raisinets though my favorite was the chocolate covered caramel thingies whose name I can't remember. I think I better have some ginko bilobia for lunch! On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:05 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: http://www.upworthy.com/watch-the-food-youre-probably-not-eating-for-all-the-wrong-reasons-8?c=upw1 Growing up in Morocco, I had a number of Arab friends, who would occasionally invite me to dinner at one of their houses (and occasionally even in tents in the Sahara). I had been briefed before attending by mutual friends who made it clear to me that refusing to eat what was served to me was an insult of the highest order, so I managed to fairly gracefully expand my food horizons by doing what I'd been told to do. Suffice it to say that camels are not only for riding. :-) Thus I got to experience the delicacy of chocolate-covered ants. Does anyone remember the candy you used to be able to get in movie theaters called Raisinets? Well, they were sorta like that, but crunchy. And, to be perfectly honest, they were a bit of a high, probably because of the large amounts of protein and formic acid. Go figure. They ranked way down on the list of Weirdest Things I Was Ever Served, however. The top of the list, to this day, was a tasty soup served to me in a large ceramic Moroccan bowl that gave me the eye -- literally -- when it was placed in front of me. Floating on top of the tasty broth were several sheep's eyeballs. Given the gusto with which the other guests were busy devouring this delicacy, I kinda figured that this was one of those where the rubber meets the road culinary moments in which I kinda had to go there or risk offending my fairly wealthy and influential hosts. So I did. I will spare everyone the details of what it's really like to bite into a boiled eyeball, except to say that I survived. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
noozguru, not to be too persnickity but I just saw on the weather report this morning that there is already drought in California. And no rain in the long range forecast! I'm beginning to suspect that *the powers that be* are using Super Bowls and Golden Globe Awards, etc. to distract the masses from the reality that we're schtooked! On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:19 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Oh, but that would be taking other people's money which we all know they worked so hard for.:-D Actually I suspect Scorsese probably would say he got his desired effect with you. I haven't seen the film yet as I relegated it to the BD rental phase. You are not alone in your reaction to the Oxfram study (which I posted here yesterday) as I heard several radio commentators say the same thing. Just take their money and redistribute it. As I see it the the rich, like dogs, have so soiled their capitalist beds that the penalty should be global socialism for the next 400 years. Doesn't have to be mean, authoritarian or totalitarian. Could be very transcendental and pleasant. But looking at the weather, the coming drought and famine there might not be anyone around in 40 years let alone 400. On 01/21/2014 05:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter written by Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
The drought is a big topic in California. Just listened to a SF talk show where it was the topic. Again this is being called climate disruption now by the climate scientists. And we have been getting delayed rain in years past. Someone even mentioned on the talk show that the almanac says Feb and Mar will wet. Problems with a drought compared to last big one in the late 1970s is that back then people might have been able to afford to do plumbing and things to help. Now many are squeaking by and won't be able to do things like that this round. So it goes. On 01/21/2014 09:52 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, not to be too persnickity but I just saw on the weather report this morning that there is already drought in California. And no rain in the long range forecast! I'm beginning to suspect that *the powers that be* are using Super Bowls and Golden Globe Awards, etc. to distract the masses from the reality that we're schtooked! On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:19 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Oh, but that would be taking other people's money which we all know they worked so hard for.:-D Actually I suspect Scorsese probably would say he got his desired effect with you. I haven't seen the film yet as I relegated it to the BD rental phase. You are not alone in your reaction to the Oxfram study (which I posted here yesterday) as I heard several radio commentators say the same thing. Just take their money and redistribute it. As I see it the the rich, like dogs, have so soiled their capitalist beds that the penalty should be global socialism for the next 400 years. Doesn't have to be mean, authoritarian or totalitarian. Could be very transcendental and pleasant. But looking at the weather, the coming drought and famine there might not be anyone around in 40 years let alone 400. On 01/21/2014 05:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. */Personally, I suspect that the planet would be better off if we managed to get all 85 of these people on one bus, and then threatened them with driving the bus off a cliff with them on it unless they signed over all of their money to the poor people they fucked over to get it. After they signed, then we'd take the signed papers, get off the bus and push it over the edge anyway, and then redistribute the funds. But that may just be how I feel today, after having been forced to sit through The Wolf Of Wall Street. I now completely agree with everything said in the open letter http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/26/an-open-letter-to-the-makers-of-the-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-wolf-himself written by /**/Christina McDowell, daughter of one of the real-life scumbags who worked with the real-life Jordan Belfort. I think that Martin Scorcese, Leonardo DiCaprio, and all of the other producers who glorified greed and immorality in this film should be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives doing community service by making movies about the little people these real-life scumbags ripped off, and whose lives they ruined. Those of you who mouth off about misogyny, you really haven't even *seen* misogyny until you've seen this movie. There is not a woman in the film who isn't portrayed as a bimbo, a hooker, and just one more rube to be fucked and fucked over. I literally had to take a shower after watching it. The experience made me rethink Martin Scorcese's work as a whole. Yes, he has made the occasional film that *doesn't* celebrate greed, corruption, and misogyny (although the only ones I can think of right now are Hugo, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Kundun), but those subjects have been the focus of and the preoccupation of almost *all* of his other films. Only 3 films as a director out of 55 *not* about slimeballs. And his next film is going to be about Frank Sinatra. What a fuckin' waste of creative talents. /* On Tue, 1/21/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 8:19 AM According to a recent OXFAM report the 85 people who own *half of the planet's wealth* could all fit onto this bus: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bollywood Movies
Outsourced TV Series [image: Inline image 1] Outsourced is set in a call center in Bombay, India, where an American novelties company has recently outsourced its order processing. A lone American manages the call center and must explain American popular culture to his employees as he tries to understand Indian culture. All about India - funny, entertaining. Ben Rappaport Anisha Nagarajan Diedrich Bader Parvesh Cheena Pippa Black Rebecca Hazlewood Rizwan Manji Sacha Dhawan Theme Song http://youtu.be/LkI84JXoy3k TV Series Trailer http://youtu.be/_wR3LhFlgGo Gupta http://youtu.be/Q5frCo8mywE Mama Sutra https://www.youtube.com/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgyo5vH5N6Ylist=TLNo8tEG_a0TAuZk29IVTUpp3KFBrciRu6 Madhuri http://youtu.be/nI6zPynTlrg Bachna aye hase http://youtu.be/wuedRBE9sq8 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Bend It Like Beckham is one of my favorite movies of all time. I've also seen Monsoon Wedding and enjoyed it too, suspect it is more true Bollywood. If you want to have even more fun, watch Bend It all the way through the end credits. Very fun! On Monday, January 6, 2014 11:08 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Dancing around trees adds little to a Bollywood movie unless you are into dance. Those scenes are in lieu of people kissing. On a real DVD, not the ripped ones some Indian stores will rent you, you can use the chapter to skip over those and turn it into a 90 minute movie. The dance scenes add nothing to the story. Hulu has a larger selection of Bollywood movies than Netflix. There are some classics there as well as a bit of kitsch junk. On 01/05/2014 06:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Rita and I are really into Bollywood movies - Rita knows a lot more than I do,and we love all the singing and dancing. The Director of IT where I worked at the community college, Usha, is from India and she is teaching us a lot about Indian actors.The movies I listed are just a good place to start, if anyone is interested. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The Guru is not a Bollywood movie though Jimi Mistry is a Bollywood star but doing some US films. Deepa Mehta is Canadian and does some of her movies in India but not necessarily with Bollywood. Her ex-husband was on the Rishikesh course with the Beatles and published a book of the photos he took while there. Mehta got thrown out of India after upsetting them with her film Fire which mocks Indian spiritual practices. Gurinder Chada is from London though she was in San Francisco for a while and made a few other films here in the US. One of my favorites was her early film Bhaji at the Beach which takes place in London (as does Bend It With Beckham). Mira Nair was US trained in film making at USC (or UCLA, it's not on IMDB but she mentioned it in an extra on one of her films). Her films are also done outside the Bollywood system. I'm a fan of many of her films. You need to watch some purely Bollywood movies including some of the classics. Netfilx does have some of those. I have a few award winners and some just curiosities I purchased used at the local Indian grocer. On 01/05/2014 04:12 PM, Richard Williams wrote: [image: Inline image 1] There are several Bollywood movies that we enjoy. Here's a list of good Indian-themed movies to get started and then a list detailing the major stars of Bollywood. *'The Guru'* Starring Heather Graham, Marisa Tomei and Jimi Mistry Director: Daisy von Scherler Mayer Universal Studios, 2003 Trailer: Movie Trailer: http://youtu.be/lEIEb5jPhhA Heather Graham does a great job as a warm-hearted woman of debatable morals. Marisa Tomei also does a great job as a warm-hearted woman of debatable judgement. Jim Mistry has some really funny lines. A superb indie-like studio picture that benefits from bright dialogue and the impressive cast. *'Bollywood Hollywood'* Staring Lisa Ray, Rahul Khanna, Moushumi Chatterjee, Dina Pathak Director: Deepa Mehta Lionsgate, 2005 Movie Trailer: http://youtu.be/js3N8e8InnY This is by far the best satirical movie on Indians in the west. If you live in Canada, you will appreciate the humor of the Indian Bollywood movie audience and family parody. - Amazon review *'Bend it Like Beckham'* Staring Parminder Nagra, Keira Knightley, Jonathan Rhys-Meyers Director: Gurinder Chadha 20th Century Fox, 2002 Movie Trailer: http://youtu.be/J2Dv9f6bCwg [image: Inline image 2] Despite it's soccer-themed title, Bend It Like Beckham is a fabulous and heart-warming story about family, traditions, friendship, love, fulfilling your dreams, and - yes - soccer (or football to non-US audiences). - Amazon review *'Marigold'* Staring Ali Larter, Salman Khan, Ian Bohen and Gulshan Grover Director: Willard Carroll Echo Bridge, 2008 Movie Trailer: http://youtu.be/34j9ChkjK6w The film has Bollywood
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014
noozguru, well I would speculate that Shiva is sattvic and so might help alleviate the tamasic quality of kapha imbalance. On Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:15 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes from an ayurvedic standpoint. One of the last questions I asked my late tantra guru was about why would Shiva mantras be pacifying for kapha? But he didn't know ayurveda and if he did would have probably been able to sidestep his heart problem. On 01/18/2014 11:28 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, you have said a few times that TM mantras are good for pitta types. Maybe not so good for kapha or vata... On Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:19 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm sure he did many times. TM doesn't work for everybody. He was into enough other things to try anyway. On 01/18/2014 09:03 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, did your friend ever consider having his TM checked?! On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:33 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Not only that the people having these experiences are probably wondering why others aren't. I have a friend who has been doing TM for years but claims to have only transcended twice. Huh? On 01/15/2014 04:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jr_...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014 Bhairitu, IMO, these experiences of celestial beings may be due to hynogogia, a state of consciousness in between sleep and waking. It would appear that meditation, for some people, may enhance or extend hynogogia into the waking state. Thus, they appear to see or hallucinate visions in conjunction with ordinary activities during the day. The folks I referred to in the interview see them all the time, very clearly, in the waking state. Although since they’re in an enlightened state, or whatever you’d like to call it, it’s not really the waking state. It’s what Maharishi predicted in his 7-states model: refined, “celestial” perception. Subtle or “celestial” beings are all around us, or in a parallel dimension. Most people just can’t see them because their perception is not sufficiently refined.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus?
wouldn't the rains come in time if all the yogic frawg hoppers went to Cali and did their sleeping - er, I mean their program out there in the dry spots? On Tue, 1/21/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's Are you on the bus or off the bus? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 7:07 PM The drought is a big topic in California. Just listened to a SF talk show where it was the topic. Again this is being called climate disruption now by the climate scientists. And we have been getting delayed rain in years past. Someone even mentioned on the talk show that the almanac says Feb and Mar will wet. Problems with a drought compared to last big one in the late 1970s is that back then people might have been able to afford to do plumbing and things to help. Now many are squeaking by and won't be able to do things like that this round. So it goes. On 01/21/2014 09:52 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, not to be too persnickity but I just saw on the weather report this morning that there is already drought in California. And no rain in the long range forecast! I'm beginning to suspect that *the powers that be* are using Super Bowls and Golden Globe Awards, etc. to distract the masses from the reality that we're schtooked! On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:19 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Oh, but that would be taking other people's money which we all know they worked so hard for. :-D Actually I suspect Scorsese probably would say he got his desired effect with you. I haven't seen the film yet as I relegated it to the BD rental phase. You are not alone in your reaction to the Oxfram study (which I posted here yesterday) as I heard several radio commentators say the same thing. Just take their money and redistribute it. As I see it the the rich, like dogs, have so soiled their capitalist beds that the penalty should be global socialism for the next 400 years. Doesn't have to be mean, authoritarian or totalitarian. Could be very transcendental and pleasant. But looking at the weather, the coming drought and famine there might not be anyone around in 40 years let alone 400. On 01/21/2014 05:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I'd ride with 'em, I ain't prejudiced agin rich folk. Personally, I suspect that the planet
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014
I look at mantras scientifically as resonance patterns which have a certain influence on the nervous system and hence the rest of the body. They can particularly have an influence on the autonomic nervous system. The spiritual explanations are pretty much to make things understandable to simple non educated people. The whole Hindu pantheon was invented for that. It's really just physics. On 01/21/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, well I would speculate that Shiva is sattvic and so might help alleviate the tamasic quality of kapha imbalance. On Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:15 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes from an ayurvedic standpoint. One of the last questions I asked my late tantra guru was about why would Shiva mantras be pacifying for kapha? But he didn't know ayurveda and if he did would have probably been able to sidestep his heart problem. On 01/18/2014 11:28 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, you have said a few times that TM mantras are good for pitta types. Maybe not so good for kapha or vata... On Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:19 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm sure he did many times. TM doesn't work for everybody. He was into enough other things to try anyway. On 01/18/2014 09:03 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, did your friend ever consider having his TM checked?! On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:33 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Not only that the people having these experiences are probably wondering why others aren't. I have a friend who has been doing TM for years but claims to have only transcended twice. Huh? On 01/15/2014 04:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:50 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014 Bhairitu, IMO, these experiences of celestial beings may be due to hynogogia, a state of consciousness in between sleep and waking. It would appear that meditation, for some people, may enhance or extend hynogogia into the waking state. Thus, they appear to see or hallucinate visions in conjunction with ordinary activities during the day. The folks I referred to in the interview see them all the time, very clearly, in the waking state. Although since they’re in an enlightened state, or whatever you’d like to call it, it’s not really the waking state. It’s what Maharishi predicted in his 7-states model: refined, “celestial” perception. Subtle or “celestial” beings are all around us, or in a parallel dimension. Most people just can’t see them because their perception is not sufficiently refined.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
Just a reminder to those in the US that the first episode played Sunday night and if you've cut the cable or don't have TV then you can watch on PBS.com. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/ Or wait for Hulu to get as they said they don't have Season 3 yet. So maybe after all three episodes air there. On 01/17/2014 09:42 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: There's a link at the end of the Wholock video to another clip showing how he (?) combined the elements and masked out unwanted material. The possibilities are endless. We're used to sampling in music but given all the film footage now available at a mouse click you could combine clips from assorted classic films noir (say) to produce your very own all-star thriller.
[FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014
FWIW, Wikipedia: Tamas is also a Guna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guna or Quality that is much needed to counter Evil, as an example Bhairava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhairava Incarnation of Lord Shiva http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Shiva is a Tamasic Avatar, and Lord Shiva Himself out of the Trinity represents Tamas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamas, where Shiva drinks the poison of his devotees to get rid of their sin, hence absorbing the Tamo-Guna of devotees, in Devi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devi worship, there are many goddesses which incarnate within the Shakta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakta sect of Hindusim where goddess are offered animal sacrifice.
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
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[FairfieldLife] The Naked Rambler
Stephen Gough - the Naked Rambler - is an activist, and a former Royal Marine. In 2003-2004, he walked the length of Great Britain naked. He did it again in 2005-2006, but was arrested in England and in Scotland. He has been repeatedly rearrested for public nudity within a short period, each time he was released. On his walks he wear nothing but boots, socks, rucksack and sometimes a hat, after having quit his job as a lorry driver. He has been arrested and imprisoned numerous times during the course of his rambles. In UK law it is not actually illegal to be naked in public but if a member of the public complains you can be arrested for a breach of the the peace. He has spent six years in prison - most of it in solitary confinement (as he refuses to wear clothes). My initial impression of the guy is that he was probably an exhibitionist and mentally disturbed. It does strike me though that he has an illustrious forbear: the Cynic philosopher Diogenes who despised possessions; openly masturbated in public; taught a back-to-nature approach to life; and was one of the first to warn of the dangers of civilization. Maybe Stephen Gough is just the latest in a long line of English eccentrics. But maybe we need more naked ramblers - more people who can wake us up from our slumber and our obsession with conspicuous consumption. Here he is . . . http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039086d/The_Naked_Rambler/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039086d/The_Naked_Rambler/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards?
Dear MJ, sometimes you just have to go to war along with the people you got. These may be our last best hope. MahaRaja Nader Raam however is rising now in his place. I am feeling quite good about him recently. Things are marching again a foot and on the move for meditation and the numbers meditating. The science all says that 1 percent meditating is an important goal for everyone. I would hope you would join once again with us in group meditation, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: And you put the fate of the world in those people's hands? On Tue, 1/21/14 Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why yogii's and svaamii's have long hair and beards? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 3:21 AM First time ever I was kicked out of the Domes was for facial hair. They changed the guideline on facial hair after some while. (So much for administrative 'purity of the teaching'). Second or Third time out was for seeing saints. They subsequently granted me (only) an exemption. Jai Gurus Dev, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8579163893/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014
Dear Bhairitu; I absolutely agree. For instance, I find the vibratory affect of the maha saraswati mantra brings transcendental consciousness forward throughout the energy fields of the human form. The Gayatri maha mantra polishes marma points and chakras brightening them up and gets them spinning right, and the Mrtyunjaya mantra facilitates the embodiment on earth of the Purusha of the Unified Field in the architecture of the human subtle system, and I don't even know what any of these mantras mean. I'm just a guy from Iowa. It is just my experience. Each employed like we meditate with the sidhis for periods of time makes a fabulous meditation. That in fact was the point of Maharishi's vedic science as modern science, employing recitation of the sound value of slokas and mantras as his third technique behind TM and the Patanjali yoga sutras. Either vocal intonation or with just moving tongue and lips or mentally silent, creating the vibration of healing spirituality in the whole central nervous system towards creating Heaven on Earth within the heart of the human nervous system makes a fabulous spiritual meditation. Is time well spent. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
John, I think dreadlocks are the hair, they aren't worn on the hair. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
Just wondering why they are called *dreadlocks*. Maybe because one dreads running a comb through them? From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football John, I think dreadlocks are the hair, they aren't worn on the hair. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
[FairfieldLife] You're not as dumb as you think
Scientists at Tübingen University, Germany say, older brains aren't weaker than younger brains. Instead they believe they are just slower due to years of stored up information. They say many tests used to determine brain power of elderly favour the young. http://tinyurl.com/k64ccvn http://tinyurl.com/k64ccvn
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
LOL. I didn't know, so I looked it up. The name apparently comes from the Rastafarians, for whom dreadlocks are a sign of devotion, i.e., fear of the Lord--hence dread. Just wondering why they are called *dreadlocks*. Maybe because one dreads running a comb through them? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football John, I think dreadlocks are the hair, they aren't worn on the hair. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.
Awoelflebater writes: How many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/370722 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Weber's definition of charismatic is good for purpose of discussion generally and also for extending out to include the uncomfortable person who is skeptically asking in unknowing disbelief, “what exactly's a saint?” I feel that granting the spiritual consideration of charisma makes the whole consideration of spirituality and charismatic leadership much more interesting and also makes for a more interesting sense of history too if people will grant for sake of discussion that charismatic saints do happen. Weber's definition then begins to allow for further scholarly consideration of spirituality and of even the saintly, if people will grant it rather than just being in a position of contending and denying it. -Buck Turq, separating the NP-Disordered as a consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution of consideration around the real spiritual charismatic. The Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or some bad nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both may be independent of a charismatic life of saintly-hood as a trans-formative affective energy field in time. Bad nurture or bad nature may travel with charisma evidently as part of the story. That is only human? The OEM of the human form does come with ego included as part of the factory package on earth. That evidently can give us all a lot to talk about and I appreciate your journalistic pursuit of the subject here. -Buck in the Dome Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. 1 Turq writes: I would suggest -- and in fact have, many times -- that a synonym for charisma in many cases is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is a weakness in many people and their basic *lack* of self confidence and self awareness that makes them easy prey for those who have a surfeit of it. They encounter someone who is so taken with themselves that they can literally think of nothing and no one else and they project a bunch of admirable qualities onto a disorder that is largely devoid of them. Think about the arrival on FFL of someone who is as classic an example of NPD as has ever existed. Some people saw the endless But enough talking about me...let's talk about me drivel as what it was and lost interest, and some looked at the same drivel and somehow projected greatness onto it. To this day, the most dismaying thing about my entire experience at FFL has been the fact that many people here were completely *unable* to recognize two classic psychopaths -- Ravi and Robin -- when they encountered them. Instead they admired them, became their groupies, and in one case actually created a small cult following around them. That is worrisome, especially in a group of people who claim to be sophisticated spiritual seekers who've been on the path for 20-30 years. To have spent that much time theoretically studying the psychology of enlightenment without being able to tell it from the psychology of psychopathology is shocking. O
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.
In Graphing data-pairs of Saints and spiritual groups; along the path we all long-timers had experience to some degree with ranges and distribution of personality narcissism in spiritual people, from ordered to disordered and with continuum of relatively saintly charismatic affect and the less than saintly spiritual behaviors. In looking at spiritual leaders or looking at spiritual groups historically I tend to draw back and place them on Cartesian paired-data graphs working two types of relative scales to get a fix on the spirituality. I find this works good as framework for placing any group or saint relatively. Weber's definition of Charismatic can be one scale. There also comes a calculus that can be seen through time with charismatics or their groups (life-cycle) for instance if you plot transformative spiritual affective-ness on one axis against the altruistic evolution of group organizational development on another. Graphing like thus one can parse variously using data-pairs of scale to sort them out relatively. For instance, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc Awoelflebater writes: How many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. Weber's definition of charismatic is good for purpose of discussion generally and also for extending out to include the uncomfortable person who is skeptically asking in unknowing disbelief, “what exactly's a saint?” I feel that granting the spiritual consideration of charisma makes the whole consideration of spirituality and charismatic leadership much more interesting and also makes for a more interesting sense of history too if people will grant for sake of discussion that charismatic saints do happen. Weber's definition then begins to allow for further scholarly consideration of spirituality and of even the saintly, if people will grant it rather than just being in a position of contending and denying it. -Buck Turq, separating the NP-Disordered as a consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution of consideration around the real spiritual charismatic. The Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or some bad nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both may be independent of a charismatic life of saintly-hood as a trans-formative affective energy field in time. Bad nurture or bad nature may travel with charisma evidently as part of the story. That is only human? The OEM of the human form does come with ego included as part of the factory package on earth. That evidently can give us all a lot to talk about and I appreciate your journalistic pursuit of the subject here. -Buck in the Dome Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. 1 Turq writes: I would suggest -- and in fact have, many times -- that a synonym for charisma in many cases is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is a weakness in many people and their basic *lack* of self confidence and self awareness that makes them easy prey for those who have a surfeit of it. They encounter someone who is so taken with themselves that they can literally think of nothing and no one else and they project a bunch of admirable qualities onto a disorder that is largely devoid of them. Think about the arrival on FFL of someone who is as classic an example of NPD as has ever existed. Some people saw the endless But enough talking about me...let's talk about me drivel as what it was and lost interest, and some looked at the same drivel and somehow projected greatness onto it. To this day, the most dismaying thing about my entire experience at FFL has been the fact that many people here were completely *unable* to recognize two classic psychopaths -- Ravi and Robin -- when they encountered them. Instead they admired them, became their groupies, and in
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In Graphing data-pairs of Saints and spiritual groups; along the path we all long-timers had experience to some degree with ranges and distribution of personality narcissism in spiritual people, from ordered to disordered and with continuum of relatively saintly charismatic affect and the less than saintly spiritual behaviors. In looking at spiritual leaders or looking at spiritual groups historically I tend to draw back and place them on Cartesian paired-data graphs working two types of relative scales to get a fix on the spirituality. I find this works good as framework for placing any group or saint relatively. Weber's definition of Charismatic can be one scale. There also comes a calculus that can be seen through time with charismatics or their groups (life-cycle) for instance if you plot transformative spiritual affective-ness on one axis against the altruistic evolution of group organizational development on another. Graphing like thus one can parse variously using data-pairs of scale to sort them out relatively. For instance, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc Awoelflebater writes: How many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. Weber's definition of charismatic is good for purpose of discussion generally and also for extending out to include the uncomfortable person who is skeptically asking in unknowing disbelief, “what exactly's a saint?” I feel that granting the spiritual consideration of charisma makes the whole consideration of spirituality and charismatic leadership much more interesting and also makes for a more interesting sense of history too if people will grant for sake of discussion that charismatic saints do happen. Weber's definition then begins to allow for further scholarly consideration of spirituality and of even the saintly, if people will grant it rather than just being in a position of contending and denying it. -Buck Thanks Buck but did you go out and look into your horse's eyes today? If you did, can you tell me what a saint can relay to you that those eyes can't? Did you feel anything? Learn anything? Did you realize that saintliness, depth and wisdom is everywhere to be found in the things around you? Did you know that the powers that be can't kick you out of the Dome for transcending into your horse's eyes? Sounds like a win win to me. I am not uncomfortable with the possibility that what you think of as saints exist, indeed, I surely hope they do. I believe all things are possible, including all manner of beings. Unknowing disbelief does not describe the nature of my incredulity about the existence of saints. I just don't think they are what you and others think they are. I think they are way more than that. Turq, separating the NP-Disordered as a consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution of consideration around the real spiritual charismatic. The Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or some bad nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both may be independent of a charismatic life of saintly-hood as a trans-formative affective energy field in time. Bad nurture or bad nature may travel with charisma evidently as part of the story. That is only human? The OEM of the human form does come with ego included as part of the factory package on earth. That evidently can give us all a lot to talk about and I appreciate your journalistic pursuit of the subject here. -Buck in the Dome Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. 1 Turq writes: I would suggest -- and in fact have, many times -- that a synonym for charisma in many cases is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is a weakness in many people and their basic *lack*
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
Judy, In retrospect, I could have written that phrase better. I had difficulty in describing a person with such a hair arrangement. But that's how it was written. C'est la vie! O mio babbino caro!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom
All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about - to put it quite plainly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
Judy, Aside from their dreadlocks, consider the odd connection of the Rastafarians to Shiva. From what I understand, they believe in smoking marijuana as part of their religion, which is similar what the sadhus are doing to worship Shiva.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Naked Rambler
Back in the late 1990s on a Saturday afternoon I was driving on Channing just west of Telegraph in Berkeley when this guy came walking down the street carrying his shopping bag and wearing a baseball cap, sandals and nothing else. Back then there was no law against public nudity there. On 01/21/2014 04:22 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Stephen Gough - the Naked Rambler - is an activist, and a former Royal Marine. In 2003-2004, he walked the length of Great Britain naked. He did it again in 2005-2006, but was arrested in England and in Scotland. He has been repeatedly rearrested for public nudity within a short period, each time he was released. On his walks he wear nothing but boots, socks, rucksack and sometimes a hat, after having quit his job as a lorry driver. He has been arrested and imprisoned numerous times during the course of his rambles. In UK law it is not actually illegal to be naked in public but if a member of the public complains you can be arrested for a breach of the the peace. He has spent six years in prison - most of it in solitary confinement (as he refuses to wear clothes). My initial impression of the guy is that he was probably an exhibitionist and mentally disturbed. It does strike me though that he has an illustrious forbear: the Cynic philosopher Diogenes who despised possessions; openly masturbated in public; taught a back-to-nature approach to life; and was one of the first to warn of the dangers of civilization. Maybe Stephen Gough is just the latest in a long line of English eccentrics. But maybe we need more naked ramblers - more people who can wake us up from our slumber and our obsession with conspicuous consumption. Here he is . . . http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039086d/The_Naked_Rambler/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.
all the saints I ever communed with were cats, and they all loved to kill mice On Wed, 1/22/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 2:25 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In Graphing data-pairs of Saints and spiritual groups; along the path we all long-timers had experience to some degree with ranges and distribution of personality narcissism in spiritual people, from ordered to disordered and with continuum of relatively saintly charismatic affect and the less than saintly spiritual behaviors. In looking at spiritual leaders or looking at spiritual groups historically I tend to draw back and place them on Cartesian paired-data graphs working two types of relative scales to get a fix on the spirituality. I find this works good as framework for placing any group or saint relatively. Weber's definition of Charismatic can be one scale. There also comes a calculus that can be seen through time with charismatics or their groups (life-cycle) for instance if you plot transformative spiritual affective-ness on one axis against the altruistic evolution of group organizational development on another. Graphing like thus one can parse variously using data-pairs of scale to sort them out relatively. For instance, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc Awoelflebater writes: How many times do I have to tell you Bucko, there are NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Get over it. Go stare your horse in the face, look in his eyes and tell me this is not the most sublime, the deepest thing you will ever see. Collecting the ashy crap emanating from some fake's toes or feet or whatever it was you said you saw is downright creepy. Get a grip. For a farmer, you need to get grounded again. I think you've flown off in the cornfields to somewhere imaginary and strange. Weber's definition of charismatic is good for purpose of discussion generally and also for extending out to include the uncomfortable person who is skeptically asking in unknowing disbelief, “what exactly's a saint?” I feel that granting the spiritual consideration of charisma makes the whole consideration of spirituality and charismatic leadership much more interesting and also makes for a more interesting sense of history too if people will grant for sake of discussion that charismatic saints do happen. Weber's definition then begins to allow for further scholarly consideration of spirituality and of even the saintly, if people will grant it rather than just being in a position of contending and denying it. -Buck Thanks Buck but did you go out and look into your horse's eyes today? If you did, can you tell me what a saint can relay to you that those eyes can't? Did you feel anything? Learn anything? Did you realize that saintliness, depth and wisdom is everywhere to be found in the things around you? Did you know that the powers that be can't kick you out of the Dome for transcending into your horse's eyes? Sounds like a win win to me. I am not uncomfortable with the possibility that what you think of as saints exist, indeed, I surely hope they do. I believe all things are possible, including all manner of beings. Unknowing disbelief does not describe the nature of my incredulity about the existence of saints. I just don't think they are what you and others think they are. I think they are way more than that. Turq, separating the NP-Disordered as a consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution of consideration around the real spiritual charismatic. The Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or some bad nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both may be independent of a charismatic life of saintly-hood as a trans-formative affective energy field in time. Bad nurture or bad nature may travel with charisma evidently as part of the story. That is only human? The OEM of the human form does come with ego included as part of the factory package on earth. That evidently can give us all a lot to talk about and I appreciate your journalistic pursuit of the subject here. -Buck in the Dome Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
You'd say it the same way you'd describe a man with a ponytail: He wore his hair in a ponytail, and He wore his hair in dreadlocks. No big deal; it's just that He wore dreadlocks on his hair sounds as if dreadlocks are in addition to the hair, but they're all just hair. Judy, In retrospect, I could have written that phrase better. I had difficulty in describing a person with such a hair arrangement. But that's how it was written. C'est la vie! O mio babbino caro!
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
John, I hate to tell you, but now I think you might be takin' a few tokes. Richard Sherman's behavior was painful to watch, but then again, they don't pay football players for their self-awareness, except maybe their ability to be aware of where their self is on the field relative to their team, the ball, and the other team. The guy is a trash-talker and acted like a self-absorbed jerk - right? I doubt very much he was channeling Shiva, dreads or no dreads, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
[FairfieldLife] RE: It's All About Football
John, I hate to tell you, but now I think you might be takin' a few tokes. Richard Sherman's behavior was painful to watch, but then again, they don't pay football players for their self-awareness, except maybe their ability to be aware of where their self is on the field relative to their team, the ball, and the other team. The guy is a trash-talker and acted like a self-absorbed jerk - right? I doubt very much he was channeling Shiva, dreads or no dreads, etc. and he and he alone did not win the game, despite what he might be telling himself and anyone else who will listen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Emily, To understand the event that happened last Sunday, consider the known characteristics of Shiva. He -- keeps company with boisterous and rowdy friends; -- wears dreadlocks on his hair; -- is blue or dark skinned; -- strikes fear to people when he speaks. During the game, weren't the Seahawks fans loud and rowdy? These fans also consider themselves as the 12th man of the home team. In jyotish, the number 12 represents meditation, which is a known characteristic of Shiva. During the last play of the game, the Seahawk player, who blocked the pass to a 49er player, wears long dreadlocks on his hair, and is a black man. When he spoke to a television reporter after the game, the reporter and the station managers were scared to death at what he was saying or about to say. He was shouting that he was the greatest player that ever lived and was angry about the perceived insults that he endured from a 49er player. As such, the reporter cut the interview short for fear of hearing any expletives that may be said by the player. The player we're talking about is Richard Sherman, who unknowingly may have channeled the spirit of Shiva during the game. So, given the various omens, it would appear that Shiva got involved in the game and blessed the city of Seattle with a championship victory for the Seahawks.
