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[FairfieldLife] Re:The Anti-Science low-lifes on FFL
Off world, You are way Off he mark on this one. ihave no intention of having a long running feud wit hyou ar anyone else. You dont know me or my points of view. I am not against science at all.That is a stupid, imbecilic, ill intended extrapolation. I am against suckering people into believeing a fairy tale when their is self serving claims that cannot be supported by scientific evidence like 5-8 years t oCC or paying thousnads of dollars to learn to hop and NOT fly. i continue t o meditate several hours each day because i love it and because i do believe much of the original research about breathe rate and heart rate and cortisol levels. My health has been fabulous and I attribute it greatly to TM. As far as some of the scams (like $50 for a $5 bottle of amrit or the $million course and this Raja nonsense and the World Govt, etc etc) i think itis a tragedy and very unfortunate that so many people feel taken, and rightly so. i spent 2 hours with Dr. Trigunas son. I am indebted to his dad forever for what the y have done for me and my family, and to MMY for bringing him t o America. They just wanted t opractic eayurved, not be a money machine for the movement. That is what he told me. They told MMY to stay out of politics. It turned out to be another in a long list of misadventures wasting peoples time and resources. i think you could see how people have become disgusted with the whole thing. you can go back to the same well just so often and then finally the well runs dry. we all loved MMY so much in the old days but you cant keep doing that stuff to people forever and expect them to continue to follow. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
Would you not agree that the TMO teaches a flying technique and no one is flying. If so I believe science would invalidate the TMO claims that they can teach people to fly. Perhaps a refund would be in order. They have also been claiming this state of CVC takes 5-8 years to achieve. How many 5-8 year programs have you been on and has CC been achieved? I rest my case Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
You are very good at twisting the intent of the post. Perhaps if it was called Yogic Hopping the title of Yogic flying would not be so absurd. Perhaps if the TMO could actually back up its claim of teaching people to fly or levitate as they claimed, there would not be requests for refunds or lawsuits against the TMO. Lets be honest with each other. Birds fly. Airplanes fly. Frogs hop. They do not fly. People do not exclaim,There goes a flying frog. They say, There goes a hopping frog. We all know the difference between flying and hopping. If we are going to talk about the science of the TMO lets understand the TMO had to back off its claim of flying because they could not produce people who could fly.They produced hoppers. Had they not been challenged they would still be making the same nonsensical, non verifiable, unscientific claims. By definition flying means to stay in the air for extended periods of time,(ie minutes or hours) independent of external forces like a rope or a crane. If one still believes the undocumented unscientific claims that have prevailed thru the years then that one might be called anti-scientific. I repeat, Show me anybody who after 30 years of practising the TM siddhis and Tm flying technique can actually fly, and i will kiss your ass in Macys window on a saturday afternoon. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth about flying, Cc in 5-8, etc.
I really enjoyed reading your post Curtis.Very well said. Occassionally there are some really good things written here, you just have to filter thru the nonsense sometimes. The link t oGuru Devs page was great. As for Steve Shimer, I knew him well in his later years in napa,calif. we were hanging out with shree Maa at her ashram. He was married to Kathy Unger. He became an acupuncturist and was a truly humble soul to the day he dies in Aug of 2005. We put his body into the crematorium right there at the funeral home in Fairfield, calif. he and kathy had justurned me on to deeksha a few weeks prior to his passing. The chemofrom his cancer treatment killed him. As for meI love meditating twice a day. Shree Maa once commented tha tMMY had used good dung(fertilizer) on me. My meditations are deeper and more blissful than ever. I think the deeksha is responsible for that and I have had more profound experiences since the deeksha than I had in almost all the previous 30+ years of just doing the TM and TM siddhis. just my observation. MMY got millions of us off onthe right foot. The rest is up to us. It was a good start and we had some great and memorable times and made some great friends. imho NO ONE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS. Not MMY, Amma, Shree maa, AMMABHAGAVAN, SAI BABA etc. I feel respectful to allpaths as long as they are not fundamentalists about it and try t osave me. Ramakrishna has said As many people, so many paths. Om namah shivaya Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
Nabby, Torqoise just ate you up and spat you out. You were made to look foolish because your agenda is so easily read. Now give it up and read a book for awhile. It is ok to change your opinion once in a while. It shows that you are actually thinking and applying discernment. It is kind of like Michael Vick finally admitting he engaged in brutality with dogs. He is caught. Either fess up and get 2 years in jail or keep up the lie and stay for 4 years. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
To Mr. Barlow, I am not an AMMA folk so to speak, altho it is easy to recognize her enormous contributions to society and to respect the wonderful experiences many people have had in and out of her physical presence. Your need to be right and to make others wrong and demonize them is clear. Your anger and your cause to fight with every fiber of my being against people who hold a different point of view about MMY and the TMO is an embarrassment to both. If you have not yet figured out after all these decades of meditating that TM does not get you enlightened, then you are one dumb son of a bitch and TM has done nothing to improve your IQ. You are not just OFFWORLD, you are just OFF. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
Off world being you are still off as in off your rocker. I believe science would have a claim backed up by evidence of authenticity. Many thousands of people have paid millions of dollars to learn to fly. Could you show me some, any, scientifiic evidence that after over 30 years of thousands of people practicing the flying technique for millions of collective hours, that there is a significant percentage of those people who can fly. No. I take that back.Can you show me evidence of anybody who has learned the flying technique from the TMO who can fly? For a hypothesis to be considered valid there must be evidence. Have you got any? you would think there would be at least a few who are flying. I mean even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re:Amma's teaching
I am an independent reader of this board with no side to take on this issue. Off world and Nabby clearly have extrapolated Ricks question and answer session with Amma for the purpose of condemming him. What a nasty piece of work you guys are. You both clearly have an agenda and any reader with an ounce of integrity can see it. you hide behind your aliases and make judgements. Crawl back in your holes. You are both spiritual wannabees. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Nabby and Off
This is a copy of an email i receied from Offworld who is clearly in a deranged and agitated mental state. He is one sick TM goon. It is clear that TM did not work for him. How and why he associates me with Bush is more evidence of delusional behavior. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an independent reader of this board with no side to take on this issue. Off world and Nabby clearly have extrapolated Ricks question and answer session with Amma for the purpose of condemming him. What a nasty piece of work you guys are. You both clearly have an agenda and any reader with an ounce of integrity can see it. you hide behind your aliases and make judgements. Crawl back in your holes. You are both spiritual wannabees. So you want to judge someone with no proof, and to ignore and abolish scientific research? Damn right I have an agenda against people like you and George Bush and religious fanatics who are against science and the innocent until proven guilty motto. I rail and fight against you and the other anti-science feinds on FFL with every fibre of my being. Crawl back in your holes. You are both spiritual wannabees. Anti-science freaks need to go back to the dark ages. Go back the the Shadow. You and Bush etc., do not belong in the scientific age. OffWorld Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who's your candidate?
Clearly Ron Paul because of his consistently getting it right on Iraq and voting no and his bring the troops home policy and stop trying to dominate the world and getting the US from printing money ad nauseum and states rights on abortion and income taxes wit h NO federal income tax. he also wants freedom of choice on healt hcare issues including alternative therapies. Second would be Kucinich followed by Obama. Hilary is dirty as can be and Rudy too is more Big Business. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re:Concentration Camps Already Built in America -- FOR Americans? Video
This is from debka.com a non US media source originating in Israel. They are akways right on with their reporting. Pivotal US-Iraqi Deal Would Leave US Troop Presence in Iraq for Decades DEBKAfile Special Report November 27, 2007, 6:01 PM (GMT+02:00) US President George W. Bush made sure of a wall-to-wall Arab audience in Washington on Monday, Nov. 26, when, over a secure video-link, he signed a deal in principle with Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki for an enduring US military presence in Iraq. Iraqi officials foresaw a long-term presence of 50,000 US troops - down from the current 170,000. Negotiations on the shape and size of the long-term US military presence, including military bases outside the cities, must be wrapped up by July 2008, when Washington intends to finish withdrawing the five combat brigades it added in 2007. The US-Iraqi agreement would replace the UN mandate after its final extension to the end of 2008. Maliki said in a televised address that the agreement provides for the US to support the democratic regime in Iraq against domestic and external dangers, as part of a strategic partnership. The principles provide for US military roles in deterring foreign aggression against Iraq and helping Iraq fight terrorism. Baghdad will encourage foreign capital into Iraq - especially American investments in developing its oil resources. Three key points emerge from this declaration of principles. 1. President Bush needed this document - alongside the Annapolis Israel-Palestinian process - to prevent the policies he set in motion in the Middle East from expiring when his term of office ends. These policies are contingent on a permanent large-scale presence of US military, marine and air forces in the region guaranteed up to app. 2030. 2. DEBKAfiles military sources refer to a master plan disclosed on this site and DEBKA-Net-Weekly in late 2006, whereby more than 100,000 US troops will quit Iraq by the end of 2009, leaving behind 50-70,000 in twenty huge land and air bases. These bases are under construction; they will be secured by broad swathes of space, fortified with weaponry and remote-controlled electronic devices. The American troops will be responsible for protecting Iraqs borders from external threats, such as Iraq or al Qaeda, while Iraqi forces will be take charge of security in the cities. 3. US air strength and special forces in these bases will have rapid deployment capabilities for reaching points outside Iraq at need. 4. While this is not spelled out clearly, the declaration offers to reward the US for these defensive arrangements with preferential treatment for American investors in oil and other projects in Iraq. The United States thus plans to retain control over Iraqs oil resources. Two flies in the ointment in this deal are noted by DEBKAfiles Iraq sources: First, Americans will want explanations for the decision to keep an enduring US military presence in Iraq. Notwithstanding the recent success of US security strategy, the majority would prefer to see every last US soldier out of Iraq as soon as possible. This is especially so when the improvement may be short-lived and the violence recur. Second, the Shiite prime ministers signature on the declaration will not suffice to make it binding on all segments of Iraqi society. It will have to stand up to Kurdish and Sunni Muslim approval in and outside parliament. Third, as matters stand now, the Shiite-led central government in Baghdad does not call the shots in the Sunni regions of central Iraq or the autonomous Kurdish region in the north. Many bumps face the Bush-Maliki deal in the eight-month road up to its finalization. And even then, its practical segments will have to be adjusted to the satisfaction of the Iraqi government and the far-from stable conditions operating on the ground. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re:BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.
You think it is peculiar that it was reported before it happened? Makes you wonder HUH? Try this one on. No planes ever hit WTC 7, nor was it crushed by any falling buildings. Yet it too fell in its own footprint. From what/ Even if you were to believe a fire could bring down WTC 1 and 2, (although no skyscrapers have ever collapsed from a fire) what caused WTC 7 to collapse. On BTW-Explosions took place in WTC 1 and 2 before the planes hit the building. 6 stories underground huge devastation was foundlike a bomb went off Excuse me. Anybody still think this was not a planned attack by OUR Govt? Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before...
Some people will believe anything, or in this case make shit up. This was not an earthquake or some vibration from the foundation. This was an airplane flying into the top part of the building, starting a fire that never could get nearly hot enough to melt steel girders, and having the building pancake sysmetrically like a demolition. Even if a fire from jet fuel could get hot enough dont you think the fire would not melt the steel supports symetrically and tha t the building would fall to one side or the other. The possibility of the fire melting the steel girders symetrically is zero, nada, no way, zilch.And what ever happened to the steel girders that were melted in 30 foot long equal segments? They were immediately shipped off out of the country so they could never be examined. Kinda makes you wonder Huh? I guess MMY was right years ago when asked about the Illminati when he said, You are already in the lions mouth Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re:MMY sends Purusha for Amma's darshan?
Which AMMA? There are millions of them. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re:5,000 turn up for Ron Paul rally
Its because this is the only candidate that can bring together diverse groups from different ends of the political spectrum. Everyone wants the same thing-Liberty. Its why America was founded. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re:5,000 turn up for Ron Paul rally
Many feel that war is unwinable. Even if it were winable would you send your son or daughter to fight and die in Iraq? if not for the oil we would not be there. Bring them home and lets do some good fro America and at least lets get the rest of the world to stop hating us and attacking us. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul
I went to the UT football game yesterday here in Austin. A bunch of RP people were out on the street near the stadium with RP placards and handing out literature. Anybody see any other candidates with their people around town already campaingning? There has been nothing going on here accept frequent RP events. Rudy did a fund raiser in a swanky part of town a few weeks ago and the guests were greeted by 20-30 RP people with signs and a bullhorn.Outside of an occassional Obama bumper sticker there is nothing out there excepr RP yard signs and bumper stickers. Something is stiring in the hearts of these people and it is rousing them from their slumber. People know about detention centers, weakening purchasing power, loss of freedoms and governmental harrassment,fueling islamofascism in Iraq, 9/11 lies, etc etc etc and they are pissed. When the others wake up there will be a change in leadership. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul
He took the Hippocratic oath and he does not take it lightly. Above all do no harm. His position as an ob/gyn is he will not perform an abortion and that ruling is up to the states and not the Fed govt to rule on. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul
Great idea offworld. I need an excuse to visit friends in FF since I was denied admission to the Invincible America course last year. Finally a candidate who really has some consciousness and cares about more than himself. The only other viable candidate would be Obama. Otherwise they are more of the same. A pack of wolves. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: 3 videos of Byron katie doing the work in Israel on War
I HAVE NOT YET WATCHED THE VIDEOS BUT YOUR COMMENT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT YOU (OR AT LEAST WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE)BILLY G Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki
From the 2 people I know who had taken the leyham during the 21 day process it was a lot of being sick and having it come out both ends. One of the fellows had wonderful experiences and does so still 2 years later after the leyham wore off. The other fellow has increasing enjoyment in his life but still has obvious challenges, but I dont remember him reporting much flash...But then again flash is not what waking up is about. As for me you can read my post from a few days ago, or read Arjuna Ardagh's book Awakening into Oneness. Some of my on going experiences I discussed recently with my guru, Shree Maa and her instruction was to continue to go inside and not to talk much about it. Form your own conclusions but base them on your own experience and not baseless conjecture. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki
I know several people who give the Oneness Blessing and took leyham. They both told me it was used as a purgative and they physically purged quite a lot from their bodies. It was not particularly pleasant but were glad they did it. On my 21 day process it was not given. I went to a pharmacy in Chennai but could not find it or I would have used it too. MAny of us liked Freddy and still do but he had a falling out with the Oneness movement and after trying wit h him several times he just had to go his own way. My first deep witnessing experience came after a weekend seminar wit h him and Madeline. It was quite fantastic and made me eager for more. I then went to India. The dasas(servants) are fantastic. It is not like the TM movements higher ups. These are truly people there to serve and all have gone thru much personal growth themselves. It is quite devoid of the spiritual hierarchy seen in spiritual movements and is also devoid of the shoulds. Much growth has occurred these past 2 years for me. I continue my daily meditation twice a day for an hour each time and find it often deep and moresatisfying than ever before. Other valuable changes have occurred for which I am grateful however I am not in need of someone to direct my life as t o what I should do. I take advice from the saints much the way I take advice from a stockbroker or my auto mechanic. I evaluate it and if it suits my agenda I accept it, if not I dont. It is for me much theame way I read this chat group. Most of what is on here is irrelevent and once in a while a pearl comes thru. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul is winning all sorts of straw polls.
Down here in austin the only presidential candidates signs or bumper stickers you see are either for Obama or Ron Paul. The republican candidates hate him because he does not play the political power game. he has been a congressman from Houston for many years and if he does not win the Prez nomination his own party wants him to be defeated in his congressional re election by another republican. He wants the troops to come home and have the US stop meddling in everybody elses business, no more IRS, a return t o the gold standard and states to determine their own stance on abortion. he has never voted for the war in Iraq and has always returned his congressional stipend. Pretty tough to vote for Mitt or Hilary going up against a honest man.!!! Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sicko
If that is so I stand corrected. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
[FairfieldLife] Re:Ron Paul, Regan, and gun control
Not only is Ron PAul his own man, check out his record. He has always voted against the war in Iraq, has always returned his congressional stipend, and would abolish that illegal institution known as the IRS and the Federal Reserve and put us back on the gold standard so we could not just keep printing dollars to pay for our govt's excesses as we have done under both republican and democratic administrations. The republican power brokers hate him and even are running to have him defeated should he run again for his congressional seat. He is the only candidate who makes any sense, altho I was impressed when Obama spoke here in Austin a few months ago. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...
Congratulations to Joe Seeheusen for picking up the ball and helping organize the Ron Paul for President campaign in Iowa. You know Ron is a good candidate when his fellow Republicans, like Rudy Giuliani, hate him even being in the debate. He is the only republican who told the truth. We have been bombing Iraq for 10 years. You think our meddling in everybody elses affairs has caused some animosity? Ya think? Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] re: Ron Paul
I just attended the Republic of Texas Biker RAlly here in Austin. The only candidate with signs out was the Ron Paul group. The British bookies have reversed their line of about 1 month ago.They had him at 200-1 winning the election.Now he is at 15-1. He would make a great president,if they dont assassinate him first.Rudy and the good old boys hate him .He wants us t o live by the constitution. I have followed his carrer from a distance thru his brother who is my accountant. This is the first time since I ran for office with the NLP that I have had an interest in politics. The RonPaul2008. com is the link They are looking or help in Iowa for the campaign.They have a fellow here who wants to work in Iowa for the campaign. If y'all want to help go to the website.Iowa is the first primary. steve We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
[FairfieldLife] Re: Researcher say transcendental meditation lessens brain's pain
Gerbal 88-You are out of your mind if you think you are going to be able to engage in an inteligent discourse with Sparaig. He spends much of his day defending a position that almost everybody has abandoned years or decades ago- namely that TM is the best technique and produces enlightenment. Almost everybody(can I see the hands) knows TM does Not produce enlightenment. They have been on 5 or 6 5-8 year programs and are still waiting for cc after 30 years. If TM makes you smarter they would have already figured it out. They havent. Millions have learned TM. If it takes 5-8 years can you show me 50% who have gotten enlightened? How about 25%? How about 10%? 1%? .1?.o1%? Oh , somebody claims to have flown. Show me one person who can fly.Just one, please. After 30 years. Arent there references thru out history of some who could fly? They were not doing the TM Sidhis program therefore I must conclude that the only ones who can fly dont do TM sidhis therefore TM sidhis prevent flying. This is an example of reverse Sparaig logic. I was emailed by a former FFLife person who said to me Why are you trying to reason with morons? He was right . You cant. It is like trying to talk to fundamentalist christians, or fundamentalist muslims. They are beyond considering another point of view. TM is a wonderful technique. I love to meditate. Actually my meditations are much deeper since I started receiving deeksha. And finally I have been having some of the experiences that we talked about for 30 years since I received deeksha. Give it up Gerbal 88. Its a waste of bandwidth.They will get it when they get it. Like the rest of us. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'
By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive and well. And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of the age of enlightenment __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
on 7/31/06 10:13 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I was doing group program someplace and some dude next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard. -Pter (I come in peace) S. Peter- Please tell me this was just tongue in cheek type humor. Please. You know in emails one cant see the body language or hear the tone in the voice to know when someone is being sarcastic. BTW-Deeksha has no relation to religion. It is given and received by people of all faiths, even TM fundamentalists. Many of them are sitting in the domes, doing their TM, just like Bousfield was doing. The guy spent 18 years on Purusha. Like helloo I spoke to him on the 21 day course in India. I asked him,Can you believe what is going on here ? I was astounded at the beauty of the process that this mind/body organism was undergoing. It was fantastic. Easier than any rounding course and more blissful and more insightful (for me) than anything I had ever done. He mumbled on about how he thought MMY had such a high teaching and how great TM was. As the 21 day course progressed (we did not talk much as we were mostly in silence) his/my experiences deepened. He just wanted to share this with anyone who wanted a taste of it. It reminded me of the old days of the TM movement when all we wanted to do was initiate. So he gets tossed from the dome. i bet he was doing his TM and TM siddhis program like everyone else. I love God.Its his followers that scare the sh*t out of me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY
Re: Ask MMY Posted by: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] sparaig Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:11 pm (PST) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the dome these days ask the question about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the inclusion of other wisdom teachings in participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid broadminded seekers excluded from the courses or included to bring up the numbers. There are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield not in the dome. Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually every other meditation technique out there, the differences are so startling and drastic that anyone that choses to practice those other techniques obviously doesn't get the role that TM/ TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect those techniques are playing as well. Given the insensitivity of such people, its only politeness that brings the TMO to ban them without any comment: they're stupid and counter-evolutionary, but the TMO doesn't say it. I think you actually believe your own bullshit. What techniques tha t are detrimental are you referring to? And what research do you have to back up your claims.? Thruout India I have sat with various gurus who extolled the virtues of sadhana but never mentioned TM. Even at Jyotir Math the shankaracharya's right hand man, Ramananda Saraswati, told me his main sadhana was japa, not TM. Just because you write it , does not make it so. You should take a lie detector test. After reading a number of your posts I believe you will make up anything to justify your point of view and have a great need to be right, truth be damned. Get some help man, for God's sake. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome Posted by: Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] marekreavis Tue Aug 1, 2006 12:11 pm (PST) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** On the above [SNIPPED] point, I don't think it's a matter of the TMO telling them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, rather, because of a religious activity performed by this individual during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome. It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome). **END** Yes, but the exclusion of people from TMO courses is still legally valid because the TMO makes the rules, or sets the conditions, which determine whether or not a person is accepted to the course or is allowed to participate. There's no actual discrimination based on religion (I would argue) because likely neither the TMO or the individual who's practicing diksha would define any of the activities as religious. And even if they did, it's still okay for a religion to define what constitutes acceptable religious behavior and to exclude behavior that doesn't comport with their belief or dogma. I'd expect that the TMO would make the argument that the technology of world peace or the Maharishi Effect would somehow or another be compromised by the outside-the-dome activities of the person regardless of their adherence with other authorized TMO practices while in the dome. The sad thing, as Robert G. points out in #107744, is Why would an organization, which is trying to create unity, and harmony, Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and disharmony; . . .. The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for a long time are really dismaying. But, for what it's worth, they don't seem to be that much different than any other organized endeavor of humans on the planet. It's just that many or most of us thought at some time in our life that this was different. Apparently not. well said. i hope that sums it up. may the TMO RIP!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY
Re: Ask MMY Posted by: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] sparaig Tue Aug 1, 2006 8:15 pm (PST) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6 percent, I'll bet. More spin. SO with the chance t ostop the end of the world 94% think it is not worth the time and effort to even bother. So, how many think coming to the dome is waste of time? AHHH. Almost everybody. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crimes: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
This decision to remove Bousfield from meditating in the dome probably did not come from MMY. Deeksha has been deemed, by MMY, t o not interfere with any meditation practices. This is from a TM teacher living in the sidha village in Holland. Jacque, who resigned from his post as National Leader of Holland, has fully discussed this with MMY and encouraged a number of governors to take the deeksha training. Deeksha is not a spiritual practice. It is not something you do as much as it is something periodically done to you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
hey schemp. There is life beyond the TMO. There are wonderful people associated with the TMO in Fairfield but there are so many spiritual seekers out there, and many started with TM. And there are many wise souls out there who never indulged in TM or the TMO. I still have many friends from the old days who still like me even tho i would not set foot in the Golden Dome. Our dome here in austin is a weed infested broken down building that no one uses. Oh, my mistake . Two days ago I saw a car in the parking lot of the dome. People are spooked because it has bad vastu. PUHLEZE Who would want to hang out with people who would throw you out of the dome because you can think for yourself? You have a winner but just dont yet realize it. And so many in fairfield are doing other practices and dont judge you. There is a lot more to spirituality than TM. MMY just never told us. We are only responsible for ourselves. No one can tell someone how to have a relationship with the Divine. We are each on our own journey and as Ramakrishna has stated There are as many paths as there are people. BTW, Guru Dev's picture still graces my altar. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
What poppycock He doesnt practice deeksha. No one does. People are so entrenched in doing, as if it will get you somewhere. It is the laying on of hands. period. The TMO would toss Jesus out if he came by because he did the same thing. Its like throwing a dentist out because he fills teeth. The rationalizations of the TMO are as bizarre as actions of the TMO. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crimes: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
spraig. Do you mean that if he charges money he would be competing with the TMO for peoples pocketbooks? This is still America, isnt it? I mean capitalism and all that stuff. And if he does it at the same time as program in the domes he should be punished because some people might actually think for themselves and go to deeksha rather than the dome and therefore the age of enlightenment might be postponed another day. Is that your point? God help us!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DIKSHA IN FAIRFIELD
What these deeksha givers failed to mention is that they each spent many thousands of dollars to fly to India and be trained to pass on this Divine Blessing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Nancy Channing
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4658
Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching it. ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to everyoneknowledge of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law, the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for the dawn of a new fortune of all mankind. ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be misled on this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to Maharishi and the Vedic Tradition of Masters.² Maharishi says: Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it with anything. Raja Dr. John Konhaus Station 24, 6063NP Vlodrop, Netherlands E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Www.mvoai.org And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] re: deeksha
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, pure experience isn't like anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might call it a siddhi but since it is a power given technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru the initiation can give it at will. I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had in the last 10 years. Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person starts to wake up in their own way based on their own physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more blissful. That is my experience. Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has become very personal. Life has become very much fun again. It had become rather boring. Namaste steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4664
part of todays [EMAIL PROTECTED] exchange. steve Thanks to all for the info. So, I guess Diksha is a form of shaktipat or something? I believe Muktananda gave shaktipat. If an agreed on definition as i understand it is the transference of the guru's energy to the disciple, then deeksha is not shaktipat. I have never heard it refered to by the deeksha Oneness Movement as shaktipat. A more appropriate definition might be the laying on of hands. Some see the golden light go into the crown chakra. And virtually everybody feels it enter the body and then do different things. For some it is physical work on a part of the body, for some it is bliss and joy, for some it results in kundalini moving, for others it is deep peace and quiteness and a few dont notice much of anything. Almost all notice work going on in the head or on the head or both.But it is not anything that the deeksha giver does. He is merely a wire between the Divine Presence and the recipient. While many have immediate mystical experiences it is pointed out that those experiences are just temporary (even if reoccurring) experiences. the ultimate effect is to live an awakened life, a life free from suffering. Mystical experiences dont necessarily produce a joyful life. Message: 16 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:41:39 - From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman thedoc108@ wrote: And here is the behind the scenes reality of the Movement on Deeksha. Jacque, the former National Leader of Holland went to MMY and told him he had received deeksha, wanted to go to India and be initiated into giving deeksha, and wanted to give it to the people in the siddha vilage in Lelystad. MMY did not endorse this idea nor did he attempt to dissuade Jacque from doing this. Many people in Lelystad now have received deeksha and a number of people have been trained to give it. Jacque, on his own decided it might be a conflict of interest to remain the National Leader of Holland so he told MMY he was stepping down. On my 21 day training course there were several purusha,one who was sponsored by Jacque to attend, who relayed this information to me. The fact is many people in the movement are receiving deeksha because it gives direct experience of the Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure experience. I have no comment on diksha itself ... but it seems MMY has now made his opinion on tmers doing diksha known via the public announcement, or do diksha people feel Konhaus is acting on his own. I think it's obvious MMY told Konhaus to put this out because diksha is getting too popular within sidha circles. TM = non-sectarian, universal Diksha = religious in nature. Therefore, anyone who does TM can choose to practise the religion of their choice and still do TM twice a day. So what's the problem. If Diksha is a meditation technique or spiritual technique, then MMY has said that one can do 100 different meditations as long as they do TM...and, hey, a direct MMY statement trumps a Konhaus statement any day of the week. So what's the problem? Good point however it is not a meditation technique or a spiritual technique(meaning it is not something that you do), like yoga or pranayam. you dont get deeksha everyday. it is recommended about once a week or less. It takes about 7 days for the golden light to go thru your system. Now it is 80+ degrees here in austin and i can hear the golf course calling my name. namaste --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4580
Loyalty-A Waste of Time I have read the banter in the last couple of FFlife issues and the bashers and the gushers are still going at it. It is common in India for a guru to send his disciple to another guru for various trainings. No one has it all. So one guru may send his disciple to another for hatha yoga training, then to another for sanskrit grammar for 6 months and then to another for jyotish. This loyalty issue is about business. It is a loss of revenue for a disciple to go to another guru so those interested in finances dont recommend it. It is common knowledge that some gurus come t othe west for women and $. the power is irresistible. The stories of abused disciples are legendary. MMY has done a huge service for humanity. Millions of us enjoy enriched lives as a result of his persistence. But it is over. No one out there(percentage wise) gives a hoot whether the TMO survives or not. i live in a sidha village where half the people dont even meditate anymore. Why? Because how many 5-8 year programs are people going to do before they realize that TM does not produce enlightenment? If the flying sutra produced flying there would be people flying. The only thing i have heard of flying is monkeys out of someones butt. Hardly worth the time and effort. I spent 6 years in an ashram. Sometimes i did many hours of sadhana, including a few hours a day of meditation. Nobody got enlightened. Pujas (and not the 10 minute Tm kind) , yagyas, chanting, japa etc. Perhaps I earned some punya because when i left that ashram deeksha found me. No teachings, no diets, no scripturesl, no guru. Just pure experience. I had the knowledge to know what was happening as the Grace flowed in. after all we had been talking about waking up to ourselves for 30 years Religions, spiritual organizations etc have produced enough divisions amongst humanity. it is all too evident on this forum. Those who post their views here almost take their lives in their hands. Everyone wants to be right. We are all so invested in ours being the right and agreed upon point of view. remember the great saint Ramakrishna said the paths to God are as many as there are people'. namaste steve klayman __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4580
Loyalty-A Waste of Time I have read the banter in the last couple of FFlife issues and the bashers and the gushers are still going at it. It is common in India for a guru to send his disciple to another guru for various trainings. No one has it all. So one guru may send his disciple to another for hatha yoga training, then to another for sanskrit grammar for 6 months and then to another for jyotish. This loyalty issue is about business. It is a loss of revenue for a disciple to go to another guru so those interested in finances dont recommend it. It is common knowledge that some gurus come t othe west for women and $. the power is irresistible. The stories of abused disciples are legendary. MMY has done a huge service for humanity. Millions of us enjoy enriched lives as a result of his persistence. But it is over. No one out there(percentage wise) gives a hoot whether the TMO survives or not. i live in a sidha village where half the people dont even meditate anymore. Why? Because how many 5-8 year programs are people going to do before they realize that TM does not produce enlightenment? If the flying sutra produced flying there would be people flying. The only thing i have heard of flying is monkeys out of someones butt. Hardly worth the time and effort. I spent 6 years in an ashram. Sometimes i did many hours of sadhana, including a few hours a day of meditation. Nobody got enlightened. Pujas (and not the 10 minute Tm kind) , yagyas, chanting, japa etc. Perhaps I earned some punya because when i left that ashram deeksha found me. No teachings, no diets, no scripturesl, no guru. Just pure experience. I had the knowledge to know what was happening as the Grace flowed in. after all we had been talking about waking up to ourselves for 30 years Religions, spiritual organizations etc have produced enough divisions amongst humanity. it is all too evident on this forum. Those who post their views here almost take their lives in their hands. Everyone wants to be right. We are all so invested in ours being the right and agreed upon point of view. remember the great saint Ramakrishna said the paths to God are as many as there are people'. namaste steve klayman __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4232
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224 on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He said in 1974 when asked if he was the Maitreya that he was the predecessor to the Maitreya. So do you think Bhagavan (the diksha guy) is the Maitreya? sorry rick. On this discussion group i would not touch that one with a 10 foot pole. Plus-honestly i do not know. I do know that this deeksha thing is spreading like wild fire. Some of the people in radiance are a little upset wit h me because my front lawn fills up wit h cars when i have deeksha at my house and you will rarely see more than 1 car or two at the dome here for program. However most are not very fundamental and some are coming for deeksha and even going to india in march to learn to transfer the divine energy themselves. So.theanswer is let history decide. I am starting t o give private deeksha to people who are afraid of being seen in a group and known as a TM person. i understand this is happening in FF. Are you listening OffWorld? I still do my 2 times a day meditation which i told shree maa was my favorite sadhana. It has just gotten deeper and more blissful. namaste steve __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4224
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:28:22 - From: off_world_beings Subject: Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years. As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). You are way off, Off World. Stop trying to make your ideal fit the facts. Jyotir Math is in the little podunk town of Jyoshi math. Guru devs cave is not exactly a mansion. its a cave, painted blue with a murti of Shankara in the center.its tall enough to stand up in and about 20 feet across with a metal gate on the front. The shankaracharyas ashram is a two story wooden building. Hardly a mansion. Money did you no good there, as Ramananda saraswati told a few of Shree Maa's devotees there just after 9/11. Charging for spiritual techniques was not done there. It was not run as a business. These days TM is not done there, as far as i know. i questioned ramananda and he told me his main sadhana was japa. he showed me guru devs altar. he worshipped Shiva andDurga as the divine mother. wake up and smell the roses. Please stop embarrassing yourself with your proclamations of what a good spiritual person you are by elaborating on your kind donations. They must be done anonomously. Tooting your own horn only makes you a tooter, not a spiritual luminary. TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He said in 1974 when asked if he was the Maitreya that he was the predecessor to the Maitreya. If it takes 30 years to figure out that TM does not get you enlightened then you know it is not increasing your IQ! steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4215
I'm not the one haranguing people about how they should give up this and that and basically do anything so they can get the $$ to start. I don't believe they should. I don't believe the benefits of TM, whatever they might be for an individual, are worth that kind of $$ or anything close to it. It just looks like a crass money-making scheme to me. So, no, I won't be contributing. But since *you* feel that way, I assume you will be putting in all or most of the $$. Correct? Sal Yes. What is the price of another person's enlightenment? Priceless. Off should be doing three jobs, liiving in a hut and donating all of his income to the TMO. But he is not. Selfish bastard! How stupid, everyone should give what they are comfortable with. And cut down on the cafe lattes and dumb hollywood movies you keep watching. OffWorld Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had previously misunderstood your position -- thinking that you thought TM was more valuable than a daily latte. But now I get you -- you see them as equivalent. Now the theme of your posts are clearer. I guess that means a dinner out once a week is more valuable than TM -- and another's enlightenment. A fine meal of Peking Duck and fine wines? Or is a stop at Chilli's also more valuable than TM? And since you could earn a lot if you chose to work instead of posting to FFL, I guess your (dis)missives are more valuable (to the world) than another enlightened person. Glad we got your values heirarchy of lattes, TM, enlightenment, a dinner in town, and your missives and all straight now. Thanks for your help. Maybe Off world could arrange for the folks who cant afford $2500 up front to pay him 3 bucks a day for 2 years and he can finance them. Or maybe he couldtalk the TMO into a financing plan. Bottom line - there are plenty of meditation techniques out there that are as effective as TM and can be learned for free or cheaply. That is why so many people do other techniques after having learned TM. The universe gives feedback. People will pay for quality. So i ask you this question-How many people have gotten enlightened from TM, or Siddha Yoga, or SRF,or IAM, or hatha yoga, or Buddhist meditation? etc And you know hundreds or thousands of TM people. anybody enlightened? .Certainly not 10%, not 5%, not 1%. how many 5-8 year plans do you have to be on to get it?.People dont get enlightened doing TM or siddha yoga or ammachis meditation. and what about the purusha guys? I rest my case. Have you ever seen anyone flying around the dome? And it has been going on for 30 years. Like HELLOO. oh by the way---i sign my name. steve klayman __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4060
hey LB, i get the same impression as you about this swami G is this the same one who runs the website kundalini support seems like swami g has an axe to grind or has some need to criticize every comment made by Bhagavan. Some swami, HUH? my response: Hey swami G- get a life or get some deeksha. Sounds like you are half baked BTW LB, since i saw you in ff this summer i have had much deeksha and went to Bhagavans place to take his 21 day process. it was and is fabulous. Finally having some of the experiences i have read and heard about for the past 30 years. till we meet again. steve Message: 25 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:42:21 - From: L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Swami G comments on interview- Bhagwan Kalki I don't know anything about Swami Gwho he is, where he comes from, his disciples nothing. But he seems peeved. Also, he doesn't seem to understand that all language is metaphor. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but ALWAYS metaphor. If Swami G doesn't think it's legitimate to talk about a hole in the mind', then it's not hard to understand why he is so careless with terms like nonsense. L B S __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4029
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:44:08 - From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Charlie Donahue --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the Movement he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete with Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation. Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for the guy. Make no mistake about it. Deepak has done a huge thing in waking people up to their own Divine nature. The fact that his first few books were ghost written by MMy's guys and the fact that he has brought knowledge that MMy brought out (thru Dr. Triguna and others) should in no way diminish the contributions he has made to society. I might add that he hosted Shree MAA in la jolla a few years ago for satsang. He was totally sweet and took her darshan with great joy and humility. Recently Dr.Trigunas son came for a few days to the Devi Mandir in napa, calif to take Shree Maa's darshan. His dad wanted to come but he is too old to travel so he sent junior. I think he said he is now 87 or 84. It was in june of this year. I was in texas for a few weeks but when he came Shree Maa called me up to tell me because she knew how deeply grateful i have been to him and his dad for the healing they did on my son. i flew back several days early to see him and when i did i pranamed to him and he remembered the treatment they gave to my son. He stayed 4 days and enjoyed maa's darshan and agreed to see a few of us locals for pulse diagnosis. I got a call one of those days and was asked if i would like to drive him around napa valley for a few hours to give him a tour. I jumped at it and we had a delightful 2 hour drive. we talked about a lot of things and deepak was one of them. He told me his dad introduced deepak to MMy and that MMY told deepak to spend a lot of time with Dr. Triguna and learn from him. Him and his dad liked deepak quite a lot and saw right away he had tremendous speaking and communication skills. i asked why they left the movement. He told me they were interested in only doing ayurved and did not want to get so involved with the movement. they also advised MMY to not do the political thing but of course the NLP came along. BTW- dr. triguna junior is so humble that when i thanked him deeply he just smiled and looked away, as if not wanting to take any credit for what had occurred. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4003
Re:Deeksha dear rick, I saw my name mentioned in one of the recent posts regarding deeksha. I just got back on fflife tonite so here is my reply which is followed by a mailing i sent out here in texas. I know things sometimes get kind of rough on fflife so i am not going t o argue or get into intellectual and philosophical discussions about it. i do not take Bhagavan as my guru and I do not intend to defend him or his stated goals of bringing enlightenment to the masses. I have only my experiences to go on and the experiences of others with whom i have discussed this.This is about experiences, not talking about experiences. I was not looking for another path. It is not a technique, or a sadhana, or a religion. I have not been asked to recruit anyone or send them any money, even though I charge for giving deeksha. I called the monk in charge of organizing the US for Bhagavan and told her about the distraught Indian fellows post. I wanted to know what the deal was.it seems he conveniently failed to mention that they allow the Indians to take the 21 day process for free if they recruit 30 people. So perhaps his pressure was self induced. Whatever... I heard Ammachi say recentlydont expect to be praised for your good works. I imagine the fellow has an axe to grind and if his complaint is legitimate so be it. It is a young organization so there will be a learning curve. (Ithink we all have experienced the learning curve). I have only been getting deeksha since July but I now understand why people are so excited about it. Meditation has been my favorite sadhana but i admit i was like a rock. Meditation had often been very good but that was about it. After deeksha i had fantastic bliss along with waking state witnessing that was unmistakable. It was not like, Am i witnessing or just thinking about witnessing. It was strong and intense. Now there is frequent causeless joy. i can appreciate what Bhagavan is doing now that i saw the immensity of the structures and campuses that he has built and is building. There are 4 campuses in Golden City. Our accomodations had A/C, good drinking water on all the floors and were clean and beds made for us every day. it was designed with westerners in mind. Three other tm teachers were on my course. Even Purusha was represented. JAcque, the former national leader of Holland, is giving deeksha in Lelystad, the TM siddha village outside of amsterdam. He, of course told MMY what his experience was wit h deeksha, and MMy did not disapprove of his intentions. Jacque felt he should resign as national leader because of a conflict of interest perhaps. He was not asked to step down. I believe this month he is bringing a group of TM teachers to Golden City, near Chennai to be trained in deeksha. Sri Sri ravi Shankar, Chalanda Ma, the healer Ron Roth have all been wit hBhagavan recently and now give deeksha. I dont know how well trained Chalanda Ma's people are since I believe (i could be mistaken) she trained them herself. If you want to experience deeksha i would go with nathan zanick. Since most of the time we were in silence i did not get to discuss very much wit hothers altho a danish fellow told me the story of his healing of his torn meniscus in the middle of the nite the first nite he was there. I had my own healing miracle done by the doctor on the premises. My life is blissful every day. One thing troubled me. I realized that my body was not my body and tha t my thoughts were not my thoughts.Then the dasa told us we were just a concept, that we didnt really exist. i told my roommate i was pissed. first i am not my body, then i am not my thoughts and then i dont even exist. I paid thousands of dollars for this ? he responded,What are you worrying about? It wasnt your money. here is the email i sent out t ofriends in texas. its my story and i am sticking to it.!!! Dear friends, As some of you may know I have recently moved back to my house in Austin. I am glad to be home. I got back sept.16 and promptly left for India on sept. 30. Now I am here to stay. I will tell you my story briefly because it is an exciting one for me and the many thousands of others. For a variety of reasons I had decided in July of 2005 to leave the Devi Mandir where I had been with my guru Shree Maa for 6 years. I had planned to return to austin by oct. 1. In late july a TM friend and a member of the Devi Mandir family, Steven Shimer, said to me at his house in Fairfield, California, Steve, I have made more spiritual progress in the last 3 weeks than I have made in the last 10 years. I asked what he was doing and he and Kathy Unger, his wife told me they were going to Berkeley each week for deeksha. Of course I asked what was deeksha. He explained to me that some people had been to India and been trained by two saints, Bhagavan and Amma, to transmit the Divine energy into peoples crown chakra and that they would begin a rapid process of enlightenment or awakening. I trusted
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 3343
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning all. Early this morning Steve Shimer passed away of Hodgkin's disease. He had become an acupuncturist and had been living in Fairfield, California with his wife, Kathy Unger. I liked Shime. He had his fifteen minutes of glory, TMwise, but he never let it go to his head. Always remain understated as best I could see - not being in his inner circle. lurk Correction. He did not die of Hodgkins lymphoma. His cancer had been wiped out. It was undetectable. He died suddenly, probably from one of the cancer meds which can have a deleterious effect on the heart. He ws a wonderful guy. Very soft spoken. Devoted to God. I remember him originally as one of the course liasons, along with Bevan and Johnny Gray, back in switzerland and France in 1975. He will be missed. He requested of Kathy that the Gayatri mantra be recited for him. It has begun for 11 days here in Devi Mandir, napa. If any would like you can recite a few malas of it in his name. steve klayman, napa, cal. __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2984
I was in this cave a couple of days after 9/11/01 I believe the caretaker in the pictre was the same man i took a photo with. her had orange hair back then. The writing on the wall was purnamidah, purnamidametc...' there were no pictures in the cave when i was there. just blue walls and shankaras murti. One of the best meditations i ever had was in that cave. the tree outside the cave is suppossedly 5200 yrs old, altho the story may change with the visitors, and is a peeple tree. Regardless it is a fabulous place steve __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2917
--- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:10:19 - From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [was Re: George Harrison] Clint Eastwood However Clint Eastwood is involved as we speak in a plan to develop part of the pristine Monterey Forest on the Monterey peninsula (California, south of Santa Cruz) where he lives into condos and a golf course. Last time I checked he didn't need the money, so it is just pure greed. Other than that I appreciate his practice of TM and some of his movies have been OK. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very Interesting Unc, I've always suspected that Clint was a person of integrety. Is there anyone else (that you can mention) that turned Maharishi down? JohnY And what great contributions to society have you made lately, Jim. Other than that I appreciate his practice of TM and some of his movies have been OK. Mighty white of you Jim. the guy is a national icon. He just won oscars for Million Dollar Baby. He has starred in and directed dozens of flicks. And some of his movies have been OK. Do i detect a note of jealousy? Nah. couldnt be. must be my imagination steve __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2905
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but it is pretty obvious that if someone breaks off, becomes independent and discharges Maharishis wish to charge 2500$ for instruction, the he/she is deliberately going against the will of the source of the teaching. Some fine threads between Maharishi and the initiator is then broken. Lup-Where did you ever get the idea that Maharishi is the source of this teaching? For that matter , when was $2500 ever charged by Guru Dev or the other teachers of the Holy Tradition? WhenMMY came out in he 50's wasnt the charge 50 cents? When i started in 1972 it was $35. It has become a business. Innocence has been lost. Just the name Transcendental Meditation is as ridiculous a claim as Kundalini Yoga. As if someone cant experience the rising of kundalini without doing some businessmans pranayam. Or if he does , does that mean he has to pay a fee for experiencing kundalini because Kundalini Yoga is trademarked.? People have been transcending without using TM mantras for thousands of years. The purity of the teaching is such a bullshit line. It is a way to maintain business. Its a way to maintain control. Fear baby, fear!!! Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while and know their own karma guides them. You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do you? Or are you worried if you told the truth you would break some fine threads between you and MMY. Read my lips. MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS SOUNDS. Read the Gita. Chapter 8. Krishna gives the technique for God Realization at hte time of death. Of course MMY never published the last 12 chapters. Curious HuH? Concentrate your gaze between the eyebrows and meditate on Gods name. Good luck to all true seekers and lovers of truth. steve __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2909
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat it. End of story. Check up on them once in a while and know their own karma guides them. You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do you? Or are you worried if you told the truth you would break some fine threads between you and MMY. Read my lips. MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS SOUNDS. Read the Gita. Chapter 8. Krishna gives the technique for God Realization at hte time of death. Of course MMY never published the last 12 chapters. Curious HuH? Concentrate your gaze between the eyebrows and meditate on Gods name. Good luck to all true seekers and lovers of truth. steve The point I'd like to query here is that as an initiate and initiator I was told the mantras were meaningless sounds. I became suspicious about this hearing about the NJ court case and having been taught that Sanskrit is a name is form language. It unravelled for me when I got my advanced technique and knew the meaning of that sound. If the mantras were promoted as meaningless sounds and were indeed names of God, doesn't it seem rather Machiavellian to misrepresent (dare I say lie?) this fact to westerners to get them to silently chant the names of God for their own good? This is all well and good but a complete understanding would mean knowing what is referred to by the word God. What is the meaning of a name for God? Why not just say God? Does God have meaning? I dont think there is enough information here to allow one to decide whether these are meaningless sounds or not. A fart could probably be seen(heard) as a meaningless sound but such an expression could easily be imbued with meaning depending on whether or not there were intention involved. This is a tough one. Rick CaArlstrom Rick-What part of the above phrase MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS SOUNDS, did you not understand? To make it perfectly clear let me tell you the meanings of some of these meaningless sounds the mantra aim means wisdom the mantra hrim means all existence the mantra klim means transformation themantra srim means increase the mantranamahai bow down Now, do you have enough information to decide if these mantras have meanings? If you are going to continue with the party line of doublespeak, like Uh. I donno if wisdom really means wisdom. Maybe it aint got no meaning at all, Then we dont really have room for an intelligent discussion. What Jeff was stating is he was lied to. namaha in his advanced technique means i bow down. It is not meaningless and that pissed him off. I didnt care. When i do puja to Shiva, or Ganesh, or Lakshmi, or saraswati, or Kali i do bow down. These are different names of the One God. The Hindus know it. Therefore a Krishna devotee does not want to kill a Shaivite or a follower of Jesus. Its when we are so invested in brand loyalty that we want to destroy the opposition's point of view because we want to be right. It is called EGO. The bottom line is we are all right. God has thousands of names. And if they are said repeatedly with devotion, they all work. The goal is the same. Therefore Ramakrishna in the 1800's went thru many of the religions including christianity and islam and found God as the end product each time. To that i say Mazel Tov. We should all be so lucky. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2910
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People have been transcending without using TM mantras for thousands of years. *** I can't be bothered with all the drivel you post here, but let me just take a sample of your ignorant blather here, and tell you what's up: if people had been practicising effective meditation in India, then the country would not be the pathetic mess it is today, full of murder and misery of every sort. The correct way to practice transcendental meditation (the only meditation that is worth doing because it does not make the mind dull like other meditation techniques) had been lost, and Guru Dev came out of the forest to find an English-speaking and educated emissary to bring correct meditation to the world. Bob- Wake up son. You are still in kindergarten. You have been in kindergarten for 30 years. At least the purusha boys have moved on, at least the pundit boys are being taught to chant the Chandi Path, Ganeshatharvashirsham, Shiva puja etc. I know this for a fact. I chanted with one of the teachers of the pundit boys in Ujjain at the jyoti lingam called Mahankaleshwar. We chanted ganeshatharvashirsham together. The fantasy is over. Rick is not an idiot. Thousands of TM teachers are not idiots. We have recognized the TM technique for what it is. It is a wonderful technique to start on your spiritual journey with. But 20 minutes twice a day ot TM is not getting it done. Why would MMY tell purusha to listen to the thousand names of Shiva or Vishnu.? Because these are additional technologies for spiritual growth. Rick, IMHO, is right . You are not the poster boy for spirituality. And TM is not supreme knwledge!!! It is obvious to me and others that your knowledge of spirituality is limited to what the movement has told you. when in fact the field is too vast for any one person to pretend they have it all. That is why gurus in India typically send their disciples to other gurus for a particular course of study. One might be adept in chanting a particular scripture and one might be adept at teaching hatha yoga or pranayam, Vedic grammar, or singing or tabla etc etc. The correct way to practice transcendental meditation (the only meditation that is worth doing because it does not make the mind dull like other meditation techniques) had been lost, Bob- Who told you this nonsense? We all know the answer. We all heard the same bs. How do you know theses other techniques make the mind dull.?You are a parrot. Are you getting it? I have never seen, in all my years in the domes and on courses , anybody sit in samadhi for 15 -18 hours, without changing his asan, and without leaning back on a backrest as the drool splashes on his tie. Yet both my gurus frequently have this experience and neither one was initiated into TM. thanks Bob for telling me whats up. I will surely heed your sage advice. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2902
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:42:03 - From: bbrigante Subject: Re: Meditate for a Fee or for Free --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there is another view that sees it as iniquitous to levy a fee for something that is essentially spiritual. For all the talk about going 'independent', there is seemingly still a great attachment to making money out of the teaching ... but rent, gas, salaries, electricity has to be paid for. One must be practical if teaching is to be an activity more than a part time hobby supported by a day job. Uns. Where there's a will there's a way. It should be emphasised that if one is teaching a spiritual technique with a pure heart and without looking for the gain, one might well gain the real support of nature. * You are completely ignorant of the Vedic tradition = bbrigante-Unless you are omniscient, please be humble enough not to tell someone they are completely ignorant of the Vedic tradition. What is your claim to this great knowledge. You studied SCI? You taught a residence course? In my travels to India with Shree Maa and Swami Satyananda Saraswati, and around europe and america (including the bastion of spiritual elitism known as fairfield iowa, where everyone who has heard His Holiness, the Governor General of North America, Neal Patterson speak and was instantly granted eternal wisdom) the story of how Gautam Muni cursed the Brahmins and declared that they would sell the mantras and pujas for money. That they would forget the meanings of the mantras. That this curse would last until they stopped damaging the Sanatana Dharma. It is obvious in India and in FF that the curse of Gautam Muni is alive and well. Shree Maa never charges money for satsang or for darshan. I believe Amma is the same way as is Karuna Mayi. Spiritual development is open to all, regardless of finances. Dakshina is NOT a business deal.It is not like buying apples at the market. If you like what the teacher is doing you give something so he/she can go on to the next town or pay his rent. Period. If you are doing your dharma you will have support of nature. $2500 for a mantra. PULze. Give me a break. By the way. Is anybody learning TM here in America anymore. I heard that someone got instructed last year on the west coast. True? Swami came upon a sannyasi begging for money. He claimed he had no time for his sadhana because he had to beg for money for food. Swami told him, Is your faith in God so weak that you forsake your sadhana for begging.? The man began to weep in gratefulness and vowed to do his sadhana and let God provide for him. These two saints ask no one for anything yet their physical needs are taken care of as they teach us and do their own sadhana. Why is this TMO, that started out with such noble goals , debased by so many that previously nurtured it, supported it, gave many years of their lives for it. It has become a business. It is doomed for failure. It is not in tune with Dharma. This, in my humble opinion, has turned well wishers to seek in other directions and reject this entire movement. Steve __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2878
__ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:24 -0500 From: Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ideas for independent teachers Excellent Logan. Maharishi is like the TM mantra which having gone to finer and finer levels, of an admixture of the discursive and purely cognitive minds must now himself be transcended. I would guess that the last shed skin of the snake will be the most colorful one. And it is good thinking of yours to wish to keep the snake itself alive, rather than get stuck worshipping some skin. - Original Message - From: mike scozzari To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent teachers I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members of FFL for a few months and decided to join. The subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this practice to someone who can't afford the high fees. I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with the majority of posts about the new and uncomfortable direction the TMO is taking. I think this 'hostile take-over' and recertification puts all the good work of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and discredited. In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that might challenge the TMO both legally and for independents everywhere. If the majority of teachers were to take steps now we might be able to keep the teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a very strong case for independents who want to teach. I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with a few. Logan Parker Why worry about what someone will think if you teach them meditation? Whats it for anyway? Just to make money? Charging money for spiritual teaching is completely outside the Sanatana Dharma Go to Jyotir Math. There are no fees for anything. Guru Dev never charged anything, Giving, from your heart is dakshina. Charging money is a business deal. TM is a great technique for getting a person a good solid foundation for spiritual growth, but it is only a piece of he puzzle. Peace Palaces, World Plan, Cities of the Immortals, $2500, Million dollar courses. Give me a break already. Why would someone get re certified? Are they lining up in your town to start meditation? Or are you going to get booted out of a dying organization that has been sticking it to you for decades? Wake up. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it is probably a duck. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
