[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? So that's where Vaj comes from??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Five stars, inspirational, informative --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the experience grew for me. After I got the sidhis I moved to southern cal to see a friend and lived in santa barbara for several years. The best I remember is I used to go on long bike rides while there, and during these rides Guru Dev's face and enrobed shoulders would appear in my center sight. It was nice and I didn't think much of it, since I was praying to him a lot then, and pretty much unhappy. Then that passed and became kind of a fixture in my awareness; whenever I needed to see him, I'd see that much of him, but it was a little dry and static after awhile. Next I found myself in Washington DC, and I was still doing sidhis. Got married and a house and used to go running for exercise. One day, probably late 92 I had this experience in my center sight where I approached the feet of Guru Dev- not out of some false prostration or mood making, but saw him in the distance and as I approached, I approached his feet. That's just the way it is to approach someone like him head on. Saw his toes and the hem of his robe in great detail. Laid my head at his feet. Learned a lot about power relationships and what all that meant, sitting on the right hand of... and where the language of positioning came from. Anyway, one day in Spring 93 as best as I can recall I was doing something in the rec room/walk out basement of my house and Guru Dev was there with me, filling my body with bliss and clarity, right there with me, existing as if in parallel sight, every detail clear. Every time I looked at him, his shoulder, or into his eyes, or his hair or whatever, I would transcend right down to rockbottom Being, my body turned to crystal. At some point I sat with him and we traveled together out into the galaxies and I recall sitting in lotus way way out in space, far far from earth. At another point, and to answer your question, we went for a walk outside and it was like being with your infinite dad or very best friend ever. I was with him for about 3 days. Guru Dev appears as a stern countenance but that is just his reflection of Shiva, destroyer of ignorance. His energy is purest love and acceptance. He allows me to do anything I want to, and I respect that by only calling him when I have to. So it was a life changing experience, and he is my role model. The best. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? It's the particular samadhi that precedes the experience of the Self dwelling in itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? It's the particular samadhi that precedes the experience of the Self dwelling in itself. Of course, as we all know, subjective interpretation of subjective experience never leads to over-categorization... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
on 4/26/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? It's the particular samadhi that precedes the experience of the Self dwelling in itself. Why is it called that? Descriptive phrase presumably. And what makes you so sure Tom and Jim haven't experienced it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/26/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? It's the particular samadhi that precedes the experience of the Self dwelling in itself. Why is it called that? Descriptive phrase presumably. And what makes you so sure Tom and Jim haven't experienced it? That's why I asked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/26/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? It's the particular samadhi that precedes the experience of the Self dwelling in itself. Why is it called that? Descriptive phrase presumably. And what makes you so sure Tom and Jim haven't experienced it? It will be hard for any outsider to know. This text, I just found on the net is instructive: The nondual state of Nirbija-samadhi is often upheld as the ultimate state. However, nonduality is the polar opposite of duality. it is therefore also a function of duality. Liberation is going beyond duality to transcendental awareness. Here the nonduality of duality, the duality of nonduality are experienced and transcended. This requires the cleansing process of dharma-megha-samadhi , where this conundrum is dramatically manifest. Nirbija-samadhi is NOT the result of accomplished practice. It only occurs within practice when there is spontaneous surrender of the practice and practiser, which depends on the orientation underlying practice. This results more and more frequently from exhaustion of the misplaced faith in the activities available to the will, which in turn strengthens the orientation to surrender. Nirbija-samadhi is a natural progression from sabija-samadhi once the sense of self has begun to lose its power. It often occurs spontaneously in life as a result of the direct and open spaciousness cultivated in the mind by practice. http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/samadhi2.html#N1 The text goes on: DHARMAMEGA: Cloud of Dharma. In the very last section of the Yogasutra: within the Kaivalya Pada it describes a condition immediately preceding kaivalya itself called dharma-mega-samadhi. Accordingly, the text infers dharma-mega-samadhi contains and encompasses all that can be known, just as a cloud fills the sky. And just as rain quenches the thirsting earth, so this cloud pours down the rain of the Dharma and exstinguishes the raging fire of all kinds of instability. Reminds me of the description of Brahman as that by which everything else becomes known. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
T3rinity writes: It will be hard for any outsider to know. This text, I just found on the net is instructive: The nondual state of Nirbija-samadhi is often upheld as the ultimate state. However, nonduality is the polar opposite of duality. it is therefore also a function of duality. Liberation is going beyond duality to transcendental awareness. Here the nonduality of duality, the duality of nonduality are experienced and transcended. This requires the cleansing process of dharma-megha-samadhi , where this conundrum is dramatically manifest. Nirbija-samadhi is NOT the result of accomplished practice. It only occurs within practice when there is spontaneous surrender of the practice and practiser, which depends on the orientation underlying practice. This results more and more frequently from exhaustion of the misplaced faith in the activities available to the will, which in turn strengthens the orientation to surrender. Nirbija-samadhi is a natural progression from sabija-samadhi once the sense of self has begun to lose its power. It often occurs spontaneously in life as a result of the direct and open spaciousness cultivated in the mind by practice. http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/samadhi2.html#N1 The text goes on: DHARMAMEGA: Cloud of Dharma. In the very last section of the Yogasutra: within the Kaivalya Pada it describes a condition immediately preceding kaivalya itself called dharma-mega-samadhi. Accordingly, the text infers dharma-mega-samadhi contains and encompasses all that can be known, just as a cloud fills the sky. And just as rain quenches the thirsting earth, so this cloud pours down the rain of the Dharma and exstinguishes the raging fire of all kinds of instability. Reminds me of the description of Brahman as that by which everything else becomes known. Tom T: Exactly. Like that, like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T3rinity writes: It will be hard for any outsider to know. This text, I just found on the net is instructive: The nondual state of Nirbija-samadhi is often upheld as the ultimate state. However, nonduality is the polar opposite of duality. it is therefore also a function of duality. Liberation is going beyond duality to transcendental awareness. Here the nonduality of duality, the duality of nonduality are experienced and transcended. This requires the cleansing process of dharma-megha-samadhi , where this conundrum is dramatically manifest. Nirbija-samadhi is NOT the result of accomplished practice. It only occurs within practice when there is spontaneous surrender of the practice and practiser, which depends on the orientation underlying practice. This results more and more frequently from exhaustion of the misplaced faith in the activities available to the will, which in turn strengthens the orientation to surrender. Nirbija-samadhi is a natural progression from sabija-samadhi once the sense of self has begun to lose its power. It often occurs spontaneously in life as a result of the direct and open spaciousness cultivated in the mind by practice. http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/samadhi2.html#N1 The text goes on: DHARMAMEGA: Cloud of Dharma. In the very last section of the Yogasutra: within the Kaivalya Pada it describes a condition immediately preceding kaivalya itself called dharma-mega-samadhi. Accordingly, the text infers dharma-mega- samadhi contains and encompasses all that can be known, just as a cloud fills the sky. And just as rain quenches the thirsting earth, so this cloud pours down the rain of the Dharma and exstinguishes the raging fire of all kinds of instability. Reminds me of the description of Brahman as that by which everything else becomes known. Tom T: Exactly. Like that, like that. Really good commentary here- very practical minded and achievable by *anyone*. Also really clear and accurate exposition of the dynamics. I especially appreciated the distinction between the accomplishment of the state [of liberation, of Dharma] NOT due to accomplished practice, but rather due to the exhaustion of the misplaced faith in the activities available to the will, which in turn strengthens the orientation to surrender. That is what its all about. Last and lightly, interesting term: mega. Very MEGA! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? snip Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. snip So it was a life changing experience, and he is my role model. The best. I guess I must have missed the first time around as well. Thanks for posting again. Very inspirational. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? snip Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. snip So it was a life changing experience, and he is my role model. The best. I guess I must have missed the first time around as well. Thanks for posting again. Very inspirational. lurk Great- glad you appreciated it. Thank you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: I was also wondering what exactly was so spiritually transformative about observing levitation- I mean if it really happened. Finally, a point worth dealing with. It's because it makes you deal with your own perceptions and analyze them in a way that most people never have to or get to. If you woul do so actually. For example in the account you give, you don't really do this. Nor are you really ready to give it a shot here. You basically say: thats how it is, take it or leave it. Let's say you see something like levitation, and no one else is around. But you saw it. NOW you've got something interesting going on for you that you didn't have the day before. You have an experience that you can NEVER, in any circumstance, convince others that it happened, or was true. It's subjective. If a video camera had been there at the time you saw it, it might have recorded what you saw and it might not. You'll never know. All you know is that you saw what you saw. Fine. I am very well aquainted to the Castaneda books, and anyone who is, will notice the close resemblance of what you experienced, and even more so, the way you interpret it, to the philosphy in his books. So, I am not doubting that you saw what you saw, and I think nobody does. We are not doubting your experience unless somebody thinks you just made it up. But we are free to be sceptic about the actual interpretation of it, and to disagree about this has nothing to do with fear or any malicious attitude to you, as you imply. Just we disagree about the interpretation, of what you 'saw'. Any attempt to interpret this disagreement as of a psychologic order like fear or jealousy virtually amounts to an intolerance of another persons beliefsystem, which maybe scientific, rational etc. What is so disagreeble here is the implication that people not only should accept your own experiences, and the meaning it has for you, but they should also swallow you interpretation of it, that it really happened, and that it couldn't be anything like a however induced hypnosis or shared lucid dream. I am really wondering about your lack of reflection on this topic, as you clearly state here how influential it is in your spiritual life. You speak about moving stars as if you still adhere to a ptolemaic world-view, and as if stars were mere dots attached to some sphere, you could freely move about. Did you see the movie 'Bruce almighty', were Bruce gets to play God just for a week, until he realizes that he actually messes up everything? Remember how he brings the moon more closely just to show his wife his love? The downside of it is that the whole gravitational field goes wild, and there are floodings in Asia. Now, when you move stars, and you think they are more than just a few dots moving on some spheres, you actually see huge bodies thousands if not millions of lightyears away, most of them up to 10 times as big as our sun, if that was 'real' in any sense of the word, Lenz would actually have to move these huge bodies not only now at a considerable distance that is still visible, that is probably thousand of lightyears away, but he would have to do this very special siddhi also in the past, because what we see now in the sky is the light emitted from the stars a few thousand years back. If somebody could do this, he could just as easily change the whole history of mankind like through a time-machine, he could make dinosaurus re-appear etc. And you are actually saying, that if I don't believe this crap, just out of jealousy for your wonderfull experience, or out of fear that my worldview might crample? And you type these messages into modern day computers, which are designed by people who tediously follow physical laws, and go into planes and use any technical equipment, which has been developed by strictly applying those physical laws, and the scientific methodology of repeated tests under the same conditions. Now you get to deal with that, and decide whether to trust your own experience or not. That's a remarkable gift, in my opinion. But that would be the same for anybody suffering from psychosis (I am not implying you have one, I am just comparing) In my job, I have to deal with many people, and I come across again and again with people having psychotic perceptions. That is these people, much more than you (I hope ;-)) have to deal with perceptions, that are real to them, but not to others. That may be a voice in their head or physical sensations, some people say that their thoughts are being dictated. They accept their perceptions, many of them, and for most of them its very hard or impossible to talk them out of it. Thats the most hard! Not that they accept what they perceive to be real. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Jim Flanegin writes: Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve (1) as that last boundary to break, and right onto Brahman, or was it instead (2) a very powerful catalyst to the eventual realization of Brahman later on? Tom T: Actually it was choice #2. I guess you might say I am a little slow. The aftermath of the levitation was the onset of the dark dark night of the soul. That continued for 3+ years and even then although in looking back I had many of the characteristics of being awake I was still not Self knowing Self. It was a gradual many year event. The waking down folks call it oozing. The final getting of it occured standing on the side of a road telling a simple story to a friend. In the midst of telling the story came the understanding I am awake. I never missed a beat on the story and the event was a very ho hum event. Looking back I can now see that events that used to be very binding ceased in 1996 but it took another 5 years plus moving to FF to kind of wrap it all up. As has been mentioned before you have to know you are THAT. Until I knew, I was living the life but did not have the appreciation nor the perspective that the final understanding gives you. Even after I knew I was awake it took a beautiful email here to finally understand Brahman. It was a guy from Madison WI who wrote about his experience that was the final tip over. I read his story and looked up and there was a dramatic shift and then every where I looked all I intitally saw was my self. Things would morph back into objects but the intial and the real understanding was that every thing I encountered was myself. That is why I still post because maybe there is another out here who will get it because of some simple thing I have shared here. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin writes: Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve (1) as that last boundary to break, and right onto Brahman, or was it instead (2) a very powerful catalyst to the eventual realization of Brahman later on? Tom T: Actually it was choice #2. I guess you might say I am a little slow. The aftermath of the levitation was the onset of the dark dark night of the soul. That continued for 3+ years and even then although in looking back I had many of the characteristics of being awake I was still not Self knowing Self. It was a gradual many year event. The waking down folks call it oozing. The final getting of it occured standing on the side of a road telling a simple story to a friend. In the midst of telling the story came the understanding I am awake. I never missed a beat on the story and the event was a very ho hum event. Looking back I can now see that events that used to be very binding ceased in 1996 but it took another 5 years plus moving to FF to kind of wrap it all up. As has been mentioned before you have to know you are THAT. Until I knew, I was living the life but did not have the appreciation nor the perspective that the final understanding gives you. Even after I knew I was awake it took a beautiful email here to finally understand Brahman. It was a guy from Madison WI who wrote about his experience that was the final tip over. I read his story and looked up and there was a dramatic shift and then every where I looked all I intitally saw was my self. Things would morph back into objects but the intial and the real understanding was that every thing I encountered was myself. That is why I still post because maybe there is another out here who will get it because of some simple thing I have shared here. Tom T Great- Thank you for responding, because my awakening experience was similar to yours in terms of timing and event sequence, in that I had a life changing spiritual event occur in Spring of 1993, after which I too felt that the goal of the sidhis had been accomplished. (I have mentioned this before- a visit from Maharishi's master.) However, although my perspective shifted dramatically at the time, I was also still in the grip of my individual self. Externally many big events then began to occur, though as you say, I was going through a period of 'oozing'. Then, in late 2004, I came upon this forum and connected with someone here, who matched the profile of someone I had been looking for and expecting to find for about 25 years. I didn't know who it would be, but I had carried the profile of this person in my mind all of that time. In any case, after some brief interaction with them a little over a year ago (Spring 2005), I was able to accomplish my final waking up, catalyzed by not getting a job I had applied for, and complete myself after a traumatic but brief birthing time of about an hour. Let's just say that I witnessed my last boundary releasing. The body went through a lot in that final release, but I calmly witnessed it from within, and just let it go. Since then, it has been a matter of just integrating, and continuing growth. Like someone wise said, before awakening it is all seeking, and after awakening it is all finding. Simplistic as that may be, it is generally true. The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... Seems to me the issue isn't innocence so much as it's the level of subtlety at which one holds the desire. I'd like to win the lottery came from somewhere, and it was probably somewhere subtle, and when it was subtle, it was innocent, yes? So why not take it back to that subtle area in one's heart during a quiet moment? Isn't that legitimate? We tend to equate innocence with spontaneous. But aren't almost all desires spontaneous? Who among us conjures up a desire where none exists? The one exception may be middle-aged people and sex, but otherwise, most people I know have no trouble having desires spontaneously, without prompting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... Seems to me the issue isn't innocence so much as it's the level of subtlety at which one holds the desire. I'd like to win the lottery came from somewhere, and it was probably somewhere subtle, and when it was subtle, it was innocent, yes? So why not take it back to that subtle area in one's heart during a quiet moment? Isn't that legitimate? Its a funny thing about desires. It seems as if they are realized when attached to the heart vs just held in the mind. I have played with this- for example the desire to win the lottery. Even though I can rationalize such a desire as being something I very much want, when I look in my heart, it isn't there, it doesn't feel quite right. As much as I may think I want it, there is no 'juice' attached to it, and maybe that is love, that we must love our desires to bring them to fruition. And where does the love come from? It accurately comes from our Selves acting through us. Or in more dramatic terms, it is God's will acting through us. This is why I said earlier that desires come to me vs the other way around. Prior to awakening I was often confused about why some things happened in my life, and other things didn't. Applying the rule stated above, that of Self, God acting through us, this makes sense, just as there is little confusion now about why things happen, because the Self is now awake. We tend to equate innocence with spontaneous. But aren't almost all desires spontaneous? Who among us conjures up a desire where none exists? The one exception may be middle-aged people and sex, but otherwise, most people I know have no trouble having desires spontaneously, without prompting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... And besides make it clearer: Rick wins the lottery! Otherwise you'll get, Rick should win the lottery state, not what you want... ;-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- jim_flanegin wrote: Prior to awakening I was often confused about why some things happened in my life, and other things didn't. Applying the rule stated above, that of Self, God acting through us, this makes sense, just as there is little confusion now about why things happen, because the Self is now awake. Good. Keep going. Don't stop there. Riff on that, if you would be so kind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... And besides make it clearer: Rick wins the lottery! Otherwise you'll get, Rick should win the lottery state, not what you want... ;-) JohnY right you are! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: Prior to awakening I was often confused about why some things happened in my life, and other things didn't. Applying the rule stated above, that of Self, God acting through us, this makes sense, just as there is little confusion now about why things happen, because the Self is now awake. Good. Keep going. Don't stop there. Riff on that, if you would be so kind. Ok, if you promise not to turn this into a semantics discussion...so listening to or following the Self when we are not awake, but while meditating, is like peering through the wrong end of a cloudy microscope. We get it, sort of. The key I found is to stay courageous and continue to do what we feel and think we should, common sense always in play, in order to continue to teach ourselves about our Selves. Regardless of where that leads. I always enjoyed Maharishi's anecdote about how he came out of silence in the 50's because every time he would ignore the desire, after a few weeks it would come back. So, eventually he followed it. Not that we are Maharishis and this certainly ain't the 50's, but you catch my drift... So, anyway, we do this enough, and the veil between who we are (Self) and who we think we are (self) becomes thinner and thinner, just because we are continuously tuning ourselves, coordinating ourselves, according to the needs of our Selves, without really knowing it. The meditation serves as a compass, refining our senses, so that we can more easily identify the Self within ourselves, which in turn provides a stronger pull for us, by creating desires which will allow us to act, and in so doing, further strengthen that coordination between ourselves and our Selves. Eventually, after enough devotion to our Selves, after the false I'm there!s, the dark nights of the soul, in which we have lost the false underpinnings of who we thought we were, yet at the same time aren't awakened yet, and perhaps have a flashy experience or two, only to have it fade away into dust. After all that, all of that ego bruising work, caught between devotion and exhaustion, living just about purely on faith alone, having come so far and done so much, and still *nothing*... Eventually, the coordination between ourselves and our Selves is perfected. The last veil falls away, and we are there, awake unto our Selves, a perfect work of nature, awakened. It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill an already overflowing cup. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. How's that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Comments interleaved below. --- jim_flanegin wrote: Ok, if you promise not to turn this into a semantics discussion... Define semantics. Just kidding. So, anyway, we do this enough, and the veil between who we are (Self) and who we think we are (self) becomes thinner and thinner, just because we are continuously tuning ourselves, coordinating ourselves, according to the needs of our Selves Reminds me of Maharishi's description of attuning himself to the desires of Guru Dev. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. How's that? Very good. Thanks. How does this relate to actually manifesting desires in the relative plane of life, if it does? Clients, money, aid... that kind of stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. --- jim_flanegin wrote: Ok, if you promise not to turn this into a semantics discussion... Define semantics. Just kidding. Ha-Ha! So, anyway, we do this enough, and the veil between who we are (Self) and who we think we are (self) becomes thinner and thinner, just because we are continuously tuning ourselves, coordinating ourselves, according to the needs of our Selves Reminds me of Maharishi's description of attuning himself to the desires of Guru Dev. Exactly the same process, with exactly the same result. Can be done by anyone, whether Guru Dev is there or not...and maybe he is there later on. This is why such spiritual experiences occur, due to the growing coordination between Self and self. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. How's that? Very good. Thanks. How does this relate to actually manifesting desires in the relative plane of life, if it does? Clients, money, aid... that kind of stuff. All I can say based on my experience is that the more I know about who I am, the more successful I am about getting what I need. It is very hard to say about specifics here because each of us is unique, with a unique set of needs. Often times, before awakening, we desire something to take care of a lack we feel within ourselves, which even if achieved would not satisfy us. If we look into our hearts, we know this. The same thing can occur once awakened, only the timeframe is so short, we don't have to go through the desire and the lack and the suffering and the readjustment. It is felt and attuned on a more subtle level, so the lesson can be learned in a much faster and subtle way. So the best thing is to continue to focus the seeking on the Self and also try to be successful in life. After awakening, the devotion to the Self or Shiva or whatever you want to call it just gets stronger anyway, so why stop now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Jim Flanegin writes: snipped It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill an already overflowing cup. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. Tom T: It is now my experience that from the initial onset of the the thought, that really is expressing itsellf as a former desire, what is experienced from the very beginning of this thought is the fulfilment as if it had already been achieved. In other words the fulfillment is known throught out the entire life cycle of the thought from the beginning to the end. Whether or not the desire ever is achieved, one has the same fulfillment as if it were. So on the one hand is full fulfillment and on the other is the action necessary to carry the thought to its conclusion. One acts but fulfillment is there and makes the action easier to do. One does not need the object as one has the fullfilment. But it seems like a lot of fun to carry on the action to see how it will unfold and come out. Like going to a movie. You know it is a movie but you still go for the entertainment value. Know you can see you every desire and action as entertainment as value for the fun of it. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:38 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes: Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve (1) as that last boundary to break, and right onto Brahman, or was it instead (2) a very powerful catalyst to the eventual realization of Brahman later on? Tom T: Actually it was choice #2. I guess you might say I am a little slow. The aftermath of the levitation was the onset of the dark dark night of the soul. That continued for 3+ years and even then although in looking back I had many of the characteristics of being awake I was still not Self knowing Self. It was a gradual many year event. The waking down folks call it oozing. The final getting of it occured standing on the side of a road telling a simple story to a friend. In the midst of telling the story came the understanding I am awake. I never missed a beat on the story and the event was a very ho hum event. Looking back I can now see that events that used to be very binding ceased in 1996 but it took another 5 years plus moving to FF to kind of wrap it all up. As has been mentioned before you have to know you are THAT. Until I knew, I was living the life but did not have the appreciation nor the perspective that the final understanding gives you. Even after I knew I was awake it took a beautiful email here to finally understand Brahman. It was a guy from Madison WI who wrote about his experience that was the final tip over. I read his story and looked up and there was a dramatic shift and then every where I looked all I intitally saw was my self. Things would morph back into objects but the intial and the real understanding was that every thing I encountered was myself. That is why I still post because maybe there is another out here who will get it because of some simple thing I have shared here. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin writes: snipped It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill an already overflowing cup. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. Tom T: It is now my experience that from the initial onset of the the thought, that really is expressing itsellf as a former desire, what is experienced from the very beginning of this thought is the fulfilment as if it had already been achieved. In other words the fulfillment is known throught out the entire life cycle of the thought from the beginning to the end. Whether or not the desire ever is achieved, one has the same fulfillment as if it were. So on the one hand is full fulfillment and on the other is the action necessary to carry the thought to its conclusion. One acts but fulfillment is there and makes the action easier to do. One does not need the object as one has the fullfilment. But it seems like a lot of fun to carry on the action to see how it will unfold and come out. Like going to a movie. You know it is a movie but you still go for the entertainment value. Know you can see you every desire and action as entertainment as value for the fun of it. Tom T Thanks for that! I've been doing the same thing, but hadn't thought the mechanics through. Like fulfilling desires in dreams or like you say, watching the desire unfold without having a need for fulfillment per se but just watching the movie. Ha Ha! What a trip! And yet sometimes I am totally and completely compelled by acting out the desire even though I KNOW it won't make me any more fulfilled, and yet I absolutely must do it! Whooo! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes: snipped It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill an already overflowing cup. The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of life is transformed. Tom T: It is now my experience that from the initial onset of the the thought, that really is expressing itsellf as a former desire, what is experienced from the very beginning of this thought is the fulfilment as if it had already been achieved. In other words the fulfillment is known throught out the entire life cycle of the thought from the beginning to the end. Whether or not the desire ever is achieved, one has the same fulfillment as if it were. So on the one hand is full fulfillment and on the other is the action necessary to carry the thought to its conclusion. One acts but fulfillment is there and makes the action easier to do. One does not need the object as one has the fullfilment. But it seems like a lot of fun to carry on the action to see how it will unfold and come out. Like going to a movie. You know it is a movie but you still go for the entertainment value. Know you can see you every desire and action as entertainment as value for the fun of it. Tom T Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma-megha samadhi)? TIA, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma-megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ' Eventually, after enough devotion to our Selves, after the false I'm there!s, the dark nights of the soul, in which we have lost the false underpinnings of who we thought we were, yet at the same time aren't awakened yet, and perhaps have a flashy experience or two, only to have it fade away into dust. After all that, all of that ego bruising work, caught between devotion and exhaustion, living just about purely on faith alone, having come so far and done so much, and still *nothing*... Eventually, the coordination between ourselves and our Selves is perfected. The last veil falls away, and we are there, awake unto our Selves, a perfect work of nature, awakened. It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill an already overflowing cup. snip Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? I am especially interested in what he seemed like because his pictures seem extremely intense but somber. Even the brief movies are hard for me to get. Was there love or softness there in him when you saw him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Oh, but I'll bet our Vaj knows all about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Oh, but I'll bet our Vaj knows all about it. Ah, how the TM apologists duth flow. Or enablers. In any event, how dare thee forsake the lotus feet (actually I'd heard dandelion) feet of Sri Tom and Cindy. Really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? I am especially interested in what he seemed like because his pictures seem extremely intense but somber. Even the brief movies are hard for me to get. Was there love or softness there in him when you saw him? Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. So the experience grew for me. After I got the sidhis I moved to southern cal to see a friend and lived in santa barbara for several years. The best I remember is I used to go on long bike rides while there, and during these rides Guru Dev's face and enrobed shoulders would appear in my center sight. It was nice and I didn't think much of it, since I was praying to him a lot then, and pretty much unhappy. Then that passed and became kind of a fixture in my awareness; whenever I needed to see him, I'd see that much of him, but it was a little dry and static after awhile. Next I found myself in Washington DC, and I was still doing sidhis. Got married and a house and used to go running for exercise. One day, probably late 92 I had this experience in my center sight where I approached the feet of Guru Dev- not out of some false prostration or mood making, but saw him in the distance and as I approached, I approached his feet. That's just the way it is to approach someone like him head on. Saw his toes and the hem of his robe in great detail. Laid my head at his feet. Learned a lot about power relationships and what all that meant, sitting on the right hand of... and where the language of positioning came from. Anyway, one day in Spring 93 as best as I can recall I was doing something in the rec room/walk out basement of my house and Guru Dev was there with me, filling my body with bliss and clarity, right there with me, existing as if in parallel sight, every detail clear. Every time I looked at him, his shoulder, or into his eyes, or his hair or whatever, I would transcend right down to rockbottom Being, my body turned to crystal. At some point I sat with him and we traveled together out into the galaxies and I recall sitting in lotus way way out in space, far far from earth. At another point, and to answer your question, we went for a walk outside and it was like being with your infinite dad or very best friend ever. I was with him for about 3 days. Guru Dev appears as a stern countenance but that is just his reflection of Shiva, destroyer of ignorance. His energy is purest love and acceptance. He allows me to do anything I want to, and I respect that by only calling him when I have to. So it was a life changing experience, and he is my role model. The best. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Thank you so much. I am very moved to read this. This is important to me just on a feeling level. I must have missed it when you posted it before. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. So the experience grew for me. After I got the sidhis I moved to southern cal to see a friend and lived in santa barbara for several years. The best I remember is I used to go on long bike rides while there, and during these rides Guru Dev's face and enrobed shoulders would appear in my center sight. It was nice and I didn't think much of it, since I was praying to him a lot then, and pretty much unhappy. Then that passed and became kind of a fixture in my awareness; whenever I needed to see him, I'd see that much of him, but it was a little dry and static after awhile. Next I found myself in Washington DC, and I was still doing sidhis. Got married and a house and used to go running for exercise. One day, probably late 92 I had this experience in my center sight where I approached the feet of Guru Dev- not out of some false prostration or mood making, but saw him in the distance and as I approached, I approached his feet. That's just the way it is to approach someone like him head on. Saw his toes and the hem of his robe in great detail. Laid my head at his feet. Learned a lot about power relationships and what all that meant, sitting on the right hand of... and where the language of positioning came from. Anyway, one day in Spring 93 as best as I can recall I was doing something in the rec room/walk out basement of my house and Guru Dev was there with me, filling my body with bliss and clarity, right there with me, existing as if in parallel sight, every detail clear. Every time I looked at him, his shoulder, or into his eyes, or his hair or whatever, I would transcend right down to rockbottom Being, my body turned to crystal. At some point I sat with him and we traveled together out into the galaxies and I recall sitting in lotus way way out in space, far far from earth. At another point, and to answer your question, we went for a walk outside and it was like being with your infinite dad or very best friend ever. I was with him for about 3 days. Guru Dev appears as a stern countenance but that is just his reflection of Shiva, destroyer of ignorance. His energy is purest love and acceptance. He allows me to do anything I want to, and I respect that by only calling him when I have to. So it was a life changing experience, and he is my role model. The best. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:15 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? I am especially interested in what he seemed like because his pictures seem extremely intense but somber. Even the brief movies are hard for me to get. Was there love or softness there in him when you saw him? Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. That's alright Jim, we're used to be being bored by you. I'm sorry to tell you, Rory was a lot more entertaining. And MahaPete who hath forsaken us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... Rick should *innocently* win the lottery... Rick should *innocently* win the lottery... Rick should *innocently* win the lottery... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:15 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? I am especially interested in what he seemed like because his pictures seem extremely intense but somber. Even the brief movies are hard for me to get. Was there love or softness there in him when you saw him? Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. That's alright Jim, we're used to be being bored by you. I'm sorry to tell you, Rory was a lot more entertaining. And MahaPete who hath forsaken us. Some Buddha mind Vaj. You are no more interested in Buddha than you were in Christ, given your penchant for crucifixion...Enjoy your rigid little trip, your dinosaur religion, no one else does... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much. I am very moved to read this. This is important to me just on a feeling level. I must have missed it when you posted it before. Thank you. You are very very welcome- I hope that it has helped your connection with him. It is a really special thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: The one thing I must be careful about now are my desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Ha-Ha-- ooops, forgot to add, the *innocent* desires...odd how they come to me also vs. the other way around, me invoking them. Then it is a choice whether to accept them. Absolutely can't be forced or controlled, unless the seed is felt already, then they can be watered or just watched to fruition... Seems to me the issue isn't innocence so much as it's the level of subtlety at which one holds the desire. I'd like to win the lottery came from somewhere, and it was probably somewhere subtle, and when it was subtle, it was innocent, yes? So why not take it back to that subtle area in one's heart during a quiet moment? Isn't that legitimate? Its a funny thing about desires. It seems as if they are realized when attached to the heart vs just held in the mind. I have played with this- for example the desire to win the lottery. Even though I can rationalize such a desire as being something I very much want, when I look in my heart, it isn't there, it doesn't feel quite right. As much as I may think I want it, there is no 'juice' attached to it, and maybe that is love, that we must love our desires to bring them to fruition. The thing is, *I* have plenty of life-supporting ideas for how to spend the powerball money, and I'm quite certain that I would spend it that way (or stop being who I am). However, even if we CAN influence reality to a certain extent, its good to keep in mind the fact that the powerball is meant to be completely random with odds about 149 million to one AGAINST winning. Even if innocent desires increase the odds a million-fold, the fact is, I've yet to play the powerball 149 times in my entire life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:15 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was like to have Guru Dev appear to you? I am especially interested in what he seemed like because his pictures seem extremely intense but somber. Even the brief movies are hard for me to get. Was there love or softness there in him when you saw him? Sure- no problem. I hope I am not boring anyone who has heard this before. That's alright Jim, we're used to be being bored by you. I'm sorry to tell you, Rory was a lot more entertaining. And MahaPete who hath forsaken us. That Vaj, such a sweetie pie, just a down-deep swell fellow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Oh, but I'll bet our Vaj knows all about it. Ah, how the TM apologists duth flow. Or enablers. Oh, right, Vaj, these comments from Michael and me were unquestionably apologia for TM, *certainly* not a commentary on you, perish forbid. In any event, how dare thee forsake the lotus feet (actually I'd heard dandelion) feet of Sri Tom and Cindy. Really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:24 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Oh, but I'll bet our Vaj knows all about it. Ah, how the TM apologists duth flow. Or enablers. Oh, right, Vaj, these comments from Michael and me were unquestionably apologia for TM, *certainly* not a commentary on you, perish forbid. Jai Guru Dev Judy peeps! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma-megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on the knowledge of the nature of all things. what's the Raincloud of virtue? Is it like the raincloud that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:24 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- kalpena a la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma- megha samadhi)? Just in case you can't Tom, you are in good company: even Shankara avoided commenting on it. ;-) Oh, but I'll bet our Vaj knows all about it. Ah, how the TM apologists duth flow. Or enablers. Oh, right, Vaj, these comments from Michael and me were unquestionably apologia for TM, *certainly* not a commentary on you, perish forbid. Jai Guru Dev Judy peeps! Drip...drip...drip... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: I was also wondering what exactly was so spiritually transformative about observing levitation- I mean if it really happened. Finally, a point worth dealing with. It's because it makes you deal with your own perceptions and analyze them in a way that most people never have to or get to. Let's say you see something like levitation, and no one else is around. But you saw it. NOW you've got something interesting going on for you that you didn't have the day before. You have an experience that you can NEVER, in any circumstance, convince others that it happened, or was true. It's subjective. If a video camera had been there at the time you saw it, it might have recorded what you saw and it might not. You'll never know. All you know is that you saw what you saw. Now you get to deal with that, and decide whether to trust your own experience or not. That's a remarkable gift, in my opinion. Most people don't ever get to deal with it, certainly not those whose closest relationship to paranormal phenomenona is reading about them. Having such an experience doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Having to DEAL WITH having had such an experience, IMO, makes one a bit more interesting. Those are the kinds of people I'm looking for to have conversations with. There are a few people here on FFL who have had such subjective experiences, whether it be of odd phenomena or their own subjective exper- iences of higher states of consciousness. I like dealing with them *because* I can identify with the changes that their subjective experiences and learning to trust them have put them through. The rest of the people strike me as pretty boring, actually. I mean, LOOK at them! THEIR approach to levitation and such things is that they want it to be a scientific, measurable phenomenon so that there is NO challenge to them when they finally observe it -- it;ll bee just like everything else in their lives. Fuckin' wimps, if you ask me... :-) And that's that on that subject. You can go back to trashing me now... :-) Here's some trash for you, LeRoy: You could get all the same results you list above by going to see a magic act...and you could do that for about the price of a theatre ticket -- say, $50.00 -- instead of becoming a cult member and devoting yourself to a lost cause. How long were you in the Lenz cult, Barry? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: I was also wondering what exactly was so spiritually transformative about observing levitation- I mean if it really happened. Finally, a point worth dealing with. It's because it makes you deal with your own perceptions and analyze them in a way that most people never have to or get to. Let's say you see something like levitation, and no one else is around. But you saw it. NOW you've got something interesting going on for you that you didn't have the day before. You have an experience that you can NEVER, in any circumstance, convince others that it happened, or was true. It's subjective. If a video camera had been there at the time you saw it, it might have recorded what you saw and it might not. You'll never know. All you know is that you saw what you saw. Now you get to deal with that, and decide whether to trust your own experience or not. That's a remarkable gift, in my opinion. Most people don't ever get to deal with it, certainly not those whose closest relationship to paranormal phenomenona is reading about them. Having such an experience doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Having to DEAL WITH having had such an experience, IMO, makes one a bit more interesting. Those are the kinds of people I'm looking for to have conversations with. There are a few people here on FFL who have had such subjective experiences, whether it be of odd phenomena or their own subjective exper- iences of higher states of consciousness. I like dealing with them *because* I can identify with the changes that their subjective experiences and learning to trust them have put them through. The rest of the people strike me as pretty boring, actually. I mean, LOOK at them! THEIR approach to levitation and such things is that they want it to be a scientific, measurable phenomenon so that there is NO challenge to them when they finally observe it -- it'll be just like everything else in their lives. Fuckin' wimps, if you ask me... :-) And just as a quick followup, I probably won't be around here that much longer anyway, because the wimps seem to have succeeded in silencing most of the interesting people. You'll notice that most of the people who *have* had interesting experiences of higher states of consciousness or of extraordinary phenomena rarely, if ever, talk about them any more. Jim's about the only one who dares to brave the boring, terrified turd-throwers any more. Rory's silent, Tom's mainly silent, and a few people have left altogether. The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. In other words, they've turned it into the TM movement. What's to stick around for? Judy may want to save this message for future reference for when Barry DOES stick around for another 2,000 posts... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls ... One less thing to be attached to I suppose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The rest of the people strike me as pretty boring, actually. I mean, LOOK at them! THEIR approach to levitation and such things is that they want it to be a scientific, measurable phenomenon so that there is NO challenge to them when they finally observe it -- it;ll bee just like everything else in their lives. Fuckin' wimps, if you ask me... :-) And yet, some of them take the even greater risk, day after day, that they might find *themselves* levitating with nobody around to observe and confirm it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, You mean, your real name is TurquoiseB? have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. You must be getting a whole lot of traffic that I'm missing. Other than anon_couscous's interrogations, I can't recall anyone challenging anybody's reported spiritual experiences *except* your claims about having seen Lenz levitate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Cool. Thanks for posting your experience. It takes some guts to do so on this forum. Actually, what it takes guts--or more accurately, chutzpah--to do is to post your experiences and use them as weapons to attack others and exalt yourself. Nobody else here does that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In regards to siddhis, as I believe I indicated already, that's more about yoga-darshana, i.e. not Advaita Vedanta. So you believe that Patanjali made this distinction between Yoga and Advaita Vedanta? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:52 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In regards to siddhis, as I believe I indicated already, that's more about yoga-darshana, i.e. not Advaita Vedanta. So you believe that Patanjali made this distinction between Yoga and Advaita Vedanta? LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, You mean, your real name is TurquoiseB? have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. You must be getting a whole lot of traffic that I'm missing. Other than anon_couscous's interrogations, I can't recall anyone challenging anybody's reported spiritual experiences *except* your claims about having seen Lenz levitate. ...AND moving the stars in the sky... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
A week or two after coming home from the 1993 course in Washington DC I gradually woke up one beautiful morning at our boat. It had been perfect weather for sleeping and I had slept with just a sheet over me. As I woke up there was an unusual feeling of freedom and serenity. Since I woke up gradually it took a minute or so to realize that something strange was going on. On close examination I realized that no part of my body was touching the bed. I was calmly floating above the mattress and there was zero sensation of any pressure beneath my body. As this idea began to sink in there was an instant recognition AH this is floating. THen all hell broke loose. Every muscle in this body contracted and expanded instantly. I essentially thrashed out with all appendages and woke up my wonderful wife. It was a radical shift in awareness and the physicality of it all was profound. It felt like the nervous system had gone into massive overload. It took years to absorb the internal change that became apparent after that experience. From my side it seemed awfully important and ultimately I just realized it was what it was and there was no longer any desire or need to practice the flying technique. One only needs to have the experience once to gain the benefits. It takes a long time to intagrate what has happened. To quote my favorite Jean Kline, Awakening is instantaneous, clarity takes place in space/time. TomT To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
It seems to me when one first integrates with the non-dual state there is a state of total relaxation and all the muscles in the body just open up as all tension is gone. The funny thing that happens is the mind realizes *something* has changed: wow, all This is me? As soon as that happens, wowie, all the muscle tensions return and it's like you were worked over by a group of angry summo wrestlers. A hottub works wonders for this. On Apr 24, 2006, at 12:43 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: A week or two after coming home from the 1993 course in Washington DC I gradually woke up one beautiful morning at our boat. It had been perfect weather for sleeping and I had slept with just a sheet over me. As I woke up there was an unusual feeling of freedom and serenity. Since I woke up gradually it took a minute or so to realize that something strange was going on. On close examination I realized that no part of my body was touching the bed. I was calmly floating above the mattress and there was zero sensation of any pressure beneath my body. As this idea began to sink in there was an instant recognition AH this is floating. THen all hell broke loose. Every muscle in this body contracted and expanded instantly. I essentially thrashed out with all appendages and woke up my wonderful wife. It was a radical shift in awareness and the physicality of it all was profound. It felt like the nervous system had gone into massive overload. It took years to absorb the internal change that became apparent after that experience. From my side it seemed awfully important and ultimately I just realized it was what it was and there was no longer any desire or need to practice the flying technique. One only needs to have the experience once to gain the benefits. It takes a long time to intagrate what has happened. To quote my favorite Jean Kline, Awakening is instantaneous, clarity takes place in space/time. TomT To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just as a quick followup, I probably won't be around here that much longer anyway, because the wimps seem to have succeeded in silencing most of the interesting people. You'll notice that most of the people who *have* had interesting experiences of higher states of consciousness or of extraordinary phenomena rarely, if ever, talk about them any more. Jim's about the only one who dares to brave the boring, terrified turd-throwers any more. Rory's silent, Tom's mainly silent, and a few people have left altogether. The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. In other words, they've turned it into the TM movement. What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. The chief reason I do so is that these experiences of sidhis and enlightenment have typically been spoken about with an air of spiritual constipation and false piety that I personally find absurd. My aim in speaking about such things personally is to let others know that such experiences are relatively commonplace and normal, and not to create all this bs around them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A week or two after coming home from the 1993 course in Washington DC I gradually woke up one beautiful morning at our boat. It had been perfect weather for sleeping and I had slept with just a sheet over me. As I woke up there was an unusual feeling of freedom and serenity. Since I woke up gradually it took a minute or so to realize that something strange was going on. On close examination I realized that no part of my body was touching the bed. I was calmly floating above the mattress and there was zero sensation of any pressure beneath my body. As this idea began to sink in there was an instant recognition AH this is floating. THen all hell broke loose. Every muscle in this body contracted and expanded instantly. I essentially thrashed out with all appendages and woke up my wonderful wife. It was a radical shift in awareness and the physicality of it all was profound. It felt like the nervous system had gone into massive overload. It took years to absorb the internal change that became apparent after that experience. From my side it seemed awfully important and ultimately I just realized it was what it was and there was no longer any desire or need to practice the flying technique. One only needs to have the experience once to gain the benefits. It takes a long time to intagrate what has happened. To quote my favorite Jean Kline, Awakening is instantaneous, clarity takes place in space/time. TomT Thanks, Tom :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. In other words, they've turned it into the TM movement. What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. Jim, just curiously, do you think I have ever not agreed or suggested you were a phony or ego tripping when you've shared your experiences? Can you recall a time when I've ever done this with *anybody* here concerning their sharing of their experiences (with the exception of Barry)? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. In other words, they've turned it into the TM movement. What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. Jim, just curiously, do you think I have ever not agreed or suggested you were a phony or ego tripping when you've shared your experiences? Can you recall a time when I've ever done this with *anybody* here concerning their sharing of their experiences (with the exception of Barry)? No and no. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The bottom line, as I see it, is that the wimps have WON, *especially* after the migration of a couple of compulsive-poster wimps from alt.m.t. Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls to use their own names here, have made Fairfield Life a distinctly UNFRIENDLY environment in which to talk about one's own spiritual experiences. In other words, they've turned it into the TM movement. What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. Jim, just curiously, do you think I have ever not agreed or suggested you were a phony or ego tripping when you've shared your experiences? Can you recall a time when I've ever done this with *anybody* here concerning their sharing of their experiences (with the exception of Barry)? No and no. Thank you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:52 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] In regards to siddhis, as I believe I indicated already, that's more about yoga-darshana, i.e. not Advaita Vedanta. So you believe that Patanjali made this distinction between Yoga and Advaita Vedanta? LOL! You laugh be cause... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. The chief reason I do so is that these experiences of sidhis and enlightenment have typically been spoken about with an air of spiritual constipation and false piety that I personally find absurd. You regularly provide an excellent dose of Ex-lax. :-) My aim in speaking about such things personally is to let others know that such experiences are relatively commonplace and normal, and not to create all this bs around them. Yup, got that. A noble cause. I never understood why people go to such lengths to believe that their spiritual teachers or the people they look up to are extraordinary. It seems to me that it makes more sense to think of them as ordinary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. The chief reason I do so is that these experiences of sidhis and enlightenment have typically been spoken about with an air of spiritual constipation and false piety that I personally find absurd. You regularly provide an excellent dose of Ex-lax. :-) My aim in speaking about such things personally is to let others know that such experiences are relatively commonplace and normal, and not to create all this bs around them. Yup, got that. A noble cause. I never understood why people go to such lengths to believe that their spiritual teachers or the people they look up to are extraordinary. It seems to me that it makes more sense to think of them as ordinary. If by that you mean that we should have the attitude -- genuinely felt -- that all we meet in this world are fully enlightened then, yes, I'll wholeheartedly agree with that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What's to stick around for? Hey, just use the forum as it pleases you to do so. I enjoy sharing my experiences here, and if some people don't agree, or think I'm a phony, or ego tripping, that's cool...I am sure there are others out there that enjoy reading them. The chief reason I do so is that these experiences of sidhis and enlightenment have typically been spoken about with an air of spiritual constipation and false piety that I personally find absurd. You regularly provide an excellent dose of Ex-lax. :-) My aim in speaking about such things personally is to let others know that such experiences are relatively commonplace and normal, and not to create all this bs around them. Yup, got that. A noble cause. I never understood why people go to such lengths to believe that their spiritual teachers or the people they look up to are extraordinary. It seems to me that it makes more sense to think of them as ordinary. Its the same old quest to hold two completely contradictory truths in our awareness simultaneously; that our teachers are extraordinary to us personally, and personally we should evaluate them through ordinary means. Otherwise, we never 'get' anywhere. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
TorquiseB writes: snipped I never understood why people go to such lengths to believe that their spiritual teachers or the people they look up to are extraordinary. It seems to me that it makes more sense to think of them as ordinary. Jim Flanegin writes: Its the same old quest to hold two completely contradictory truths in our awareness simultaneously; that our teachers are extraordinary to us personally, and personally we should evaluate them through ordinary means. Otherwise, we never 'get' anywhere. Tom T: Good old Jaimine to the rescue again. THat is the paradox of Brahmin. The funny thing is that when you finally understand that you are holding those completely contradictory truths in one awareness simutaneously you are doing the Jaimini Polka or better know as the paradox of Brahmin. The ability to notice you are doing it is the confirmation you have slipped onto a differrent stage or a totally 180 differrent viewpoint. Enjoy. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped I never understood why people go to such lengths to believe that their spiritual teachers or the people they look up to are extraordinary. It seems to me that it makes more sense to think of them as ordinary. Jim Flanegin writes: Its the same old quest to hold two completely contradictory truths in our awareness simultaneously; that our teachers are extraordinary to us personally, and personally we should evaluate them through ordinary means. Otherwise, we never 'get' anywhere. Tom T: Good old Jaimine to the rescue again. THat is the paradox of Brahmin. The funny thing is that when you finally understand that you are holding those completely contradictory truths in one awareness simutaneously you are doing the Jaimini Polka or better know as the paradox of Brahmin. The ability to notice you are doing it is the confirmation you have slipped onto a differrent stage or a totally 180 differrent viewpoint. Enjoy. Tom T Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve (1) as that last boundary to break, and right onto Brahman, or was it instead (2) a very powerful catalyst to the eventual realization of Brahman later on? Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. * Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in. Enjoy Michael I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. ...and he should know. Didn't he die of alcohol poisoning or something? Seems he himself was seeped in spiritual fantasy... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. * Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). I think Barry also told us that he personally saw Lenz levitate. But, hey, that was spiritual REALITY, wasn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in. Enjoy Michael I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. Of course, regardless of the real history of the human race, literally hundreds of millions of people in India accept this stuff as true in some sense, so what you're really doing is saying that all of them are suckers. Actually, all I did was post a quote from a Tibetan teacher, on the occasion of looking around at the plethora of New Age interests in Boulder and commenting to his students that the extent of one's interest in such things was, in his opinion, in inverse proportion to the breadth of one's spiritual experience. That is, the fewer real spiritual exper- iences one has had in one's life, the more likely one is to be attracted by New Age fantasies. And the converse; the more real experience one has had, the less likely one is to be interested in such things. If you feel that this extends to India and to Hindus, that's your call. I don't think Trungpa ever said anything about that, and I certainly didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. * Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the he had people stare at him until they hallucinated claim, it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever it might have been. When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Tell us all about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. For that matter, tell us about the last time your meditation was about anything but sitting there lost in thoughts... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is an open question, one I have no answer for. I would have an answer. However, since I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the he had people stare at him until they hallucinated claim, it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever it might have been. And you wouldn't necessarily know you are hallucinating when you do, right? When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Maybe Bob is not really interested in seeing such things, thats why he doesn't see them. Does this make him inferior to you in your eyes? Maybe he is more sceptical than you are with regard to his perceptions. Tell us all about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. For that matter, tell us about the last time your meditation was about anything but sitting there lost in thoughts... :-) Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. I have no such option. I was there. And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. That really has nothing to do with happiness. Unlike others it doesn't make me happy if others fail. Just pointing out that 'seeing' something, and 'being there' is in no way contradictory to hallicunation. Thats simply its definition: 'Seeing' something that is not there, and believing it to be 'there' I have no such option. I was there. You were there that for sure. You may believe whatever you want about it, but as you base your experiential superiority to Bob upon it, you might allow others to question your 'experience' And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. That is, that you believe you saw something to be really there, which makes you feel you can talk with authority on the subject, while others talking about similar thing, you insinuate, do so only because they can't have experiences about it, otherwise they wouldn't talk about it, right? But, after all, you can't talk with authority about it, because you may have just been hallucinating. And further, your insinuate that they, who didn't have such experiences/hallucinations? couldn't have other more valid spiritual experiences. While I completely agree with Trungpa, that such talk is just a distraction from essential spiritual experiences, (like love and compassion for ones fellow spiritual travellers), you insinuate Michael and Bob couldn't have such experiences either. Barry, with you its all about: I have experiences, you (TMers) don't have. In fact you have assimilated MMYs message to a high degree, but just inverted it, and use it as munition against TM. For example your onepointedness to switch every topic to trash TM, or your whole Experience vs Belief/Religion act. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. That really has nothing to do with happiness. Unlike others it doesn't make me happy if others fail. Just pointing out that 'seeing' something, and 'being there' is in no way contradictory to hallicunation. Thats simply its definition: 'Seeing' something that is not there, and believing it to be 'there' I have no such option. I was there. You were there that for sure. You may believe whatever you want about it, but as you base your experiential superiority to Bob upon it, you might allow others to question your 'experience' And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. That is, that you believe you saw something to be really there, which makes you feel you can talk with authority on the subject, while others talking about similar thing, you insinuate, do so only because they can't have experiences about it, otherwise they wouldn't talk about it, right? But, after all, you can't talk with authority about it, because you may have just been hallucinating. And further, your insinuate that they, who didn't have such experiences/hallucinations? couldn't have other more valid spiritual experiences. While I completely agree with Trungpa, that such talk is just a distraction from essential spiritual experiences, (like love and compassion for ones fellow spiritual travellers), you insinuate Michael and Bob couldn't have such experiences either. Barry, with you its all about: I have experiences, you (TMers) don't have. In fact you have assimilated MMYs message to a high degree, but just inverted it, and use it as munition against TM. For example your onepointedness to switch every topic to trash TM, or your whole Experience vs Belief/Religion act. Yawn To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. I think Barry has made entirely balanced responses to people questioning his experiences with Lenz. Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. Whenever it comes up, Shemp and others roll out their heavy artillery. It is kind of fun to see. Then the barrage begins. Usually goes on for about 50 posts. I'll be the first to admit that I am suceptible to some far fetched theories, but interviews I have heard of Lenz's and articles I have read indicate to me that he was an extrodinary person. I have no problem with his levitation. By the way Bob, isn't levitation one of the siddhis taught by MMY? Are all reports of levition witnessed by people current and past fabrications? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yawn I knew you would understand ;-) Btw. thats how I feel about most of your posts too: they are so predictable To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation themselves, but they don't use them to trash. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation themselves, but they don't use them to trash. Trin, Not everything comes in a nice little package we like. So you can accept other people's accounts of witnessing levitation, but not Barry's, because Barry mixes it up with peple? Probably you have not read Barry's accounts which are plainly described with no apparant need to convince anyone. And, probably you have not read anything Freddy (Lenz) has said or written. Sorry to prejudge you, but I am just taking a guess. Check out some of Fred's interviews, if you haven't. He may have gotten side tracked at the end. But he didn't start out thay way. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in. Enjoy Michael I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. You should have a rummage through the antigravity YahooGroups. Or try putting electrogravitics (being the scientifically acceptable moniker) into Google along with Boeing or Skunk-works. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. Levitation of others obviously. Then there are enough people I know of in the TM who have first hand experiences of levitation themselves, but they don't use them to trash. Trin, Not everything comes in a nice little package we like. So you can accept other people's accounts of witnessing levitation, but not Barry's, because Barry mixes it up with peple? No, first of all I distinguish, how they *use* it. So I don't attribute more validity to a TMers report of levitation than to Barrys report of seeing it. Probably you have not read Barry's accounts which are plainly described with no apparant need to convince anyone. And, probably you have not read anything Freddy (Lenz) has said or written. You are wrong, I did read some of it, I even suggested to Barry to make a Wikiquote page about him which he declined. Still I think he was a phoney to start with, but thats just my opinion about him. I certainly respect the love his devotees have for him. Sorry to prejudge you, but I am just taking a guess. Check out some of Fred's interviews, if you haven't. He may have gotten side tracked at the end. But he didn't start out thay way. I haven't read all, but certainly some that is on the net. My opinion is that its not just that he got sidetracked at the end, but that it was there right from the beginning. The whole thing how he tried to replay the Castaneda trip I find quite phoney in itself. There's really nothing original or authentic in it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Never lose an opportunity trying to trash TMers, what a phoney act, Barry. Actually I am disappointed by you Barry, you are deteriorating quickly, I remember you were somewhat better 2-3 years back. Now you appear to be just a sad old cynic. No love, no compassion, just trashing others spiritual path you fell superior to. I think Barry has made entirely balanced responses to people questioning his experiences with Lenz. Nothing seems to push people's buttons as much as Barry's, (and others), first hand experiences of levitation. It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had such experiences. Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him superior to anybody else. Whenever it comes up, Shemp and others roll out their heavy artillery. It is kind of fun to see. Then the barrage begins. Usually goes on for about 50 posts. I'll be the first to admit that I am suceptible to some far fetched theories, but interviews I have heard of Lenz's and articles I have read indicate to me that he was an extrodinary person. I have no problem with his levitation. By the way Bob, isn't levitation one of the siddhis taught by MMY? Are all eports of levition witnessed by people current and past fabrications? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't read all, but certainly some that is on the net. My opinion is that its not just that he got sidetracked at the end, but that it was there right from the beginning. The whole thing how he tried to replay the Castaneda trip I find quite phoney in itself. There's really nothing original or authentic in it. Okay, that's a fair response. I had no idea who he was until six months ago. I enjoyed getting turned on to his thing. I found it quite refreshing and genuine. Then again, thanks for turning me on to Mother Meera. I have enjoyed getting acquanited with her thing. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had such experiences. Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him superior to anybody else. Don't you think Judy, that when people say they communicate with someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with no way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more of, it happened, or it didn't kind of thing. Something which theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much controversy. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that's a fair response. I had no idea who he was until six months ago. I enjoyed getting turned on to his thing. I found it quite refreshing and genuine. Really, its always something I try to avoid, judging other 'Masters', especially if I haven't seen them myself. For example, somebody may have something very valuable for you, and at the same time, he could be lying playing tricks etc. I am sure he spoke a refreshing language in the spiritual scene. Then again, thanks for turning me on to Mother Meera. I have enjoyed getting acquanited with her thing. Did I? Nice though ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had such experiences. Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him superior to anybody else. Don't you think Judy, that when people say they communicate with someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with no way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more of, it happened, or it didn't kind of thing. Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who suggested it was important. So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience in that regard. The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other people down and exalt himself. Something which theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much controversy. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who suggested it was important. So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience in that regard. The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other people down and exalt himself. You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break -- give US a break. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break -- give US a break. It's Ok, man...it's a lot like aikido. They can't sucker me into a fight unless I agree to be part of the fight. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who suggested it was important. So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience in that regard. The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other people down and exalt himself. You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't have the self-control to resist? I will continue to comment about Barry if and when I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. In any case, I was responding to a poster who was criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but rather for using the experiences as a weapon against others and a means to exalt himself. Then you -- and many others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break -- give US a break. Is someone forcing you to read my posts, Vaj? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:23 AM, authfriend wrote: How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't have the self-control to resist? Of course, that' s exactly why you keep prodding him, attempting to annoy him, make jabs, etc. I will continue to comment about Barry if and when I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. That's fine, continue to play Supercunt then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:23 AM, authfriend wrote: How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't have the self-control to resist? Of course, that' s exactly why you keep prodding him, attempting to annoy him, make jabs, etc. So you *are* saying he doesn't have the self-control. Fine. Then perhaps he shouldn't make promises he can't keep, eh? (Especially when he goes on to exalt himself for his great self-control and dump on others he claims don't have it.) Why do you get so agitated when Barry is criticized? Do you *also* lack the self-control not to read and respond to the criticisms? I criticize Barry when I think he merits criticism. I couldn't give a flying freak whether he responds or not. Actually it's easier when he *doesn't*, because then I don't have to also refute the lies he tells when he does. I will continue to comment about Barry if and when I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. That's fine, continue to play Supercunt then. Nice talk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Anything in those texts about sustainable energy sources we might adopt to replace our oil- and coal-based systems? - An aside regarding peaceful uses of aircraft: early in the 20th Century, one Alberto Santos-Dumont dreamed of how world leaders would be able to avoid war by hopping on planes and conferring with one another when crises were brewing. Indeed, in the weeks leading up to the First World War, England's King George V and his cousin, Kaiser Wilhelm II, exchanged letters in hopes of averting war, but to no avail. Perhaps they would have succeeded had they flown to a meeting place. It was not to be, however, and the devastation began. In 1932, before hanging himself, Santos-Dumont cited his depression over airplanes being used to kill. Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas Contributed by John Burrows Slightly edited by Michael Dean Goodman The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives. More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. The Indian Emperor, Ashoka, started a Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men: great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The Nine Unknown Men wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number one was The Secrets of Gravitation! This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them, dealt chiefly with gravity control. It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet, or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other futuristic weapons that had destroyed the ancient Indian Rama Empire several thousand years before. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: Vymaanidashaastra Aeronautics, by Maharishi Bharadvaja, translated into English, published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that vimanas were powered by some form of anti-gravity. Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvaja refers to no less than seventy authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity. [Michael's note: When I was on the Vedic Science Course in Delhi in the 1980s, I slipped out one day and spent the afternoon perusing the shelves of Motilal Banarsidas, a great book store that shipped all over the world and was used by many Movement students of vedic knowledge - the Mecca of vedic booksellers. I found so many great books that I had to begin discriminating - putting some back - or I'd never be able to carry them home on the plane. I saw this very book by Rishi Bharadvaja that the author is describing above; it was exceptionally unusual in that it had been translated into English!, unlike many obscure, esoteric vedic texts. It gave explicit instructions on how to make the drive engine for the flying ships, what alloys to make the various parts out of, etc. - very technical and engineering oriented. Foolishly, it was one of the books I rejected that day, and I came to regret it. Over the years, when I sent friends who were traveling in India back to buy it for me, they couldn't find a trace of it! No one seemed to know anything about it. It was like a tease, a little taste of technology from another age, that came to open my mind and then vanished into obscurity again. So finding the source of it, in this essay, is the fulfillment of a decades-old desire.] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Atlantis many scientists say is probably South-America. There was an island in the middle of a huge lake in the Andes. A huge city existed in this island 3000 years ago. One day the entire island along with the city collapsed into the lake. This information somehow reached Plato who called it Atlantis. He magnified the proportions a million times and turned the island into a continent. The proof of the pudding is in the technical details. No clear information about how to manufacture a flying-machine or Vimana is mentioned in these texts. There is absolutely no archeological evidence of civilisations 15,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. The oldest known archeological settlement in Indian sub-continent is theIndus-Sarasvati civilisation dated back to 3000-BCE which is 5000 years ago. Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:56:16 -0400Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Flying Machines - VimanasDear Fairfield Lifers,Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let-ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in.EnjoyMichaelAncient Flying Machines - VimanasContributed by John BurrowsSlightly edited by Michael Dean GoodmanThe vedic tradition of India tell us that we are now in the fourth age [yuga] of mankind - part of a never-ending cycle of flavors of time lasting about 4.3 million years per cycle. The vedas call these four ages: "The Golden Age" [sat yuga - lasting 1.7 million years, where the average length of life is 100,000 years], "The Silver Age" [treta yuga - lasting 1.3 million years, where the average length of life is 10,000 years], "The Bronze Age" [dvapara yuga - lasting 864,000 years, where the average length of life is 1000 years], and "The Iron Age" [kali yuga - lasting 432,000 years, where the average length of life is roughly 100 years].The VimanasThe Ramayana, part of the Itihasas of the vedic tradition, describes a vimana as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?). Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote entire flight manuals on the control of various types of vimanas, of which there were basically four: the shakuna vimana, the sundara vimana, the rukma vimana and the tripura vimana.* The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.* The secret of making planes motionless.* The secret of making planes invisible.* The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes.* The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes.* The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.* The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.* The secret of destroying enemy planes.Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: The puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.In the Mahabharata, another aspect of the Itihasas, an ancient vedic text of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The text is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones [nuclear] that we are capable of deploying.Apart from 'blazing missiles', the text records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'.In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's vimana, the Saubha, is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: "I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound".Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis.The Narrative Records"Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful vimana hurled against
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Is this the book? http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/vs/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in. Enjoy Michael Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas Contributed by John Burrows Slightly edited by Michael Dean Goodman The vedic tradition of India tell us that we are now in the fourth age [yuga] of mankind - part of a never-ending cycle of flavors of time lasting about 4.3 million years per cycle. The vedas call these four ages: The Golden Age [sat yuga - lasting 1.7 million years, where the average length of life is 100,000 years], The Silver Age [treta yuga - lasting 1.3 million years, where the average length of life is 10,000 years], The Bronze Age [dvapara yuga - lasting 864,000 years, where the average length of life is 1000 years], and The Iron Age [kali yuga - lasting 432,000 years, where the average length of life is roughly 100 years]. The Vimanas The Ramayana, part of the Itihasas of the vedic tradition, describes a vimana as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?). Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote entire flight manuals on the control of various types of vimanas, of which there were basically four: the shakuna vimana, the sundara vimana, the rukma vimana and the tripura vimana. * The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed. * The secret of making planes motionless. * The secret of making planes invisible. * The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes. * The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes. * The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach. * The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness. * The secret of destroying enemy planes. Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: The puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky. .. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere. In the Mahabharata, another aspect of the Itihasas, an ancient vedic text of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The text is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones [nuclear] that we are capable of deploying. Apart from 'blazing missiles', the text records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'. In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's vimana, the Saubha, is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound. Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis. The Narrative Records Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas. It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similar reports in other ancient civilizations. The after-effects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. * Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the he had people stare at him until they hallucinated claim, it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever it might have been. When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Tell us all about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. For that matter, tell us about the last time your meditation was about anything but sitting there lost in thoughts... :-) If you weren't lost in thoughts, how would you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)... Food for thought. Might help with let- ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in. Enjoy Michael I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. Of course, regardless of the real history of the human race, literally hundreds of millions of people in India accept this stuff as true in some sense, so what you're really doing is saying that all of them are suckers. Actually, all I did was post a quote from a Tibetan teacher, on the occasion of looking around at the plethora of New Age interests in Boulder and commenting to his students that the extent of one's interest in such things was, in his opinion, in inverse proportion to the breadth of one's spiritual experience. That is, the fewer real spiritual exper- iences one has had in one's life, the more likely one is to be attracted by New Age fantasies. And the converse; the more real experience one has had, the less likely one is to be interested in such things. If you feel that this extends to India and to Hindus, that's your call. I don't think Trungpa ever said anything about that, and I certainly didn't. Nyah, you just quoted him, out of context, as your only comment on some Hindu beliefs... Only a paranoid person would ever think that you meant his comments to apply to what you were replying to... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. I have no such option. I was there. And that's pretty much all I have to say about that. In other words, you're a Lenz TRUE BELIEVER. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. A hallucination can also be an experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books. Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more than to believe my experiences with Rama were hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe this. I have no such option. I was there. People are usually where there hallucinations are, so this doesn't do you much good. The thing about hallucinations is that the person having them can't tell that they aren't real. So for someone to say, This wasn't a hallucination, this was real is kind of not to the point. That's just what you'd expect a person who had had a hallucination to say--unless they had some reason to believe they had been hallucinating. But it doesn't work the other way around. There's no reason for a person *not* to believe they were hallucinating if there's no objective evidence otherwise. The honest way to put it would be, I don't *think* I was hallucinating, but of course I can't be sure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: Those who have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual fantasy. * Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have people stare at him until they hallucinated: http://skepdic.com/rama.html ). The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience. I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-) Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the he had people stare at him until they hallucinated claim, it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever it might have been. When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or disappear or move the stars around, Bob? What is this, spiritual one-upmanship? Why do you care whether anyone saw any else levitating or disappearig or moving the stars around? Are you keeping some kind of scorecard? Tell us all about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh. For that matter, tell us about the last time your meditation was about anything but sitting there lost in thoughts... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. Then you -- and many others -- may be a lot happier. It's old already -- give IT a break -- give US a break. It's Ok, man...it's a lot like aikido. They can't sucker me into a fight unless I agree to be part of the fight. :-) Is that why you've responded to this thread half a dozen times? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
