[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: **Snip** I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's. At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really wonderful. **End** On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), Probably Play of Consciousness which has frequent mention of the Blue Pearl. but a narration of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting Nityananda, etc. It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved it. It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when you weren't rounding but still riding that wave. You know, on so many levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most amazing times. And so wonderfully whacked. I've got about 15 of his books. The best is the 5 volume Satsang with Baba which are transcriptions of Questions and Answers between him and his students from around 1972, which is, I believe, before he ever came to America. What attracts me to Muktananda is his willingness and eagerness to speak of his personal experiences (as well as comment upon those of his devotees). I find it really inspiring. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. But as far as the difference between- Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think. R.G. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
I'm going to theorize that there is a law of nature that says there is no free lunch. You screw up. You pay. But apparently how you pay depends on who you know. If you know the right guy, he can get you a reduced sentence. You do soft time meditating, say,instead of hard time suffering. Christians believe, I think, that Jesus is God incarnate come to do some real hard time for everyone who wants to sign up as his guy. There is no doubt that (a) Christians believe it and experience something as a result of making him their guru and (b) there doesn't seem to be anything preventing him from doing it if he has the power. We may not believe it but not believing or believing is probably more a matter of personal experience than anything else. As a friend once said, all religions are just maps of the territory and it is a mistake to assume that any of them are the actual territory. What we want, I think, is to explore the territory ourselves andonly use the map as a guide if we're getting lost. But to demean someone else's map seems a bit presumptious, don'tyou think? On 10/11/06, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also.But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about thesuffering and stuff;I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self...So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before thecrucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.But as far as the difference between-Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think.R.G.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch)....lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side,on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. -- Rule #1: Don't Lose Money! www.ruleoneinvestor.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:08 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. Sheesh, it was in Ancient Cultus 101, otherwise I'd have never known he was a copycat savior. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. According to the movie The Last Temptation of Christ, Jesus said that line while on the cross... But as far as the difference between- Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think. R.G. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
In a message dated 10/11/06 10:28:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.According to the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ", Jesus said that line while on the cross... Yes, that was spoken on the cross when, according to Christian belief, Jesus had become sin incarnate and the Father could not even bare to look upon him anymore. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. Acksually, dose was da biblical woids (depending on the translation). Mine has, Stick a fork in me... You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. Acksually, dose was da biblical woids (depending on the translation). Mine has, Stick a fork in me... I am a product of my multi-media culture. If I have a choice between quoting the Bible and Scorcese, I'll choose the latter. You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
Hey, m2, Namaste. Good to hear your voice again. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Mother Olson talking about how off Catholics were in their devotions to the crucifix. With all the beauty of a saints life, why the focus on a gory death? In every Catholic church is a crucifix and good catholics bow as they pass it. The Christians are against choices, against anything that allows one to die. One has to wonder why all this fixation on death if the belief is in everlasting life with rewards in heaven. You would think that Christians would be happy for anyone who died and went home to God. I remember reading in autobiography of a yogi that if people really knew what was going on, they would celebrate death and be saddened by birth (something like that). Everyone is riveted by Schiavo's death. Every moment we get an update. How would you feel to have so much attention when you want to be left alone? If I don't feel well, I don't want someone reporting every gory detail or hanging around watching me. People are dying every minute every day, why in the world fixate on it? Maybe Christians are really terribly afraid of death so they have to reassure themselves that they are the chosen ones and will really really really go to heaven. Those professing so much belief, seem to have so little faith. PS I was raised a good catholic To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. Acksually, dose was da biblical woids (depending on the translation). Mine has, Stick a fork in me... More like a spear, actually... You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what that suffering and death accomplished. To put it in eastern terms, Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all time. This act of absolution required great suffering and the ultimate sacrifice to pay the price. For Maharishi to blithely say that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's karma. The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from. The Christian conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted from the Christian to Christ. An Indian friend of mine who converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime. Thus, Christians honor the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing one's own bad karma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily turned on. By good or bad. But on the other hand, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering. those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system and its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at many book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was not a better collection of lectures. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --- --- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rule2148 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what that suffering and death accomplished. To put it in eastern terms, Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all time. This act of absolution required great suffering and the ultimate sacrifice to pay the price. For Maharishi to blithely say that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's karma. I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as penance for the world's karma. But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer. I totally agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much emphasis on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer. As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. And that's an experience that awaits all human beings. But it is an experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute. It's not something that you magically get by declaring I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. That's just a marketing ploy to get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- zero, zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of Christianity. And bravo to MMY for saying what he did. The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from. The Christian conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted from the Christian to Christ. An Indian friend of mine who converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime. Thus, Christians honor the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing one's own bad karma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe rudra_joe@ wrote: Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily turned on. By good or bad. But on the other hand, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering. those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system and its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at many book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was not a better collection of lectures. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by the Roman's; it's message: Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also. Many thousands of Jews were executed this way. So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and then you die. You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that... So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways... As a matter of fact; All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all of the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers. So, what do you expect. After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq... Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions... Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake. Now, there's a spiritual ceremony! R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Very succinct summary. Thanks. I feel much the same -- both about the subject, and Maharishi's teachings regarding Jesus' status and, consequently, his consciousness. That simple and important 'revision' of Christianity by Maharishi allowed him (IMO) to make his intitial inroads and successes in the West*, or at least overcome intitial knee-jerk dismissals from the Christian perspective until the positive effects of the meditation itself overcame such suspicions. Yogananda had done that also, incorporating Jesus and his teachings into the SRF (and by extension, Hinduism itself), but he did it on a Christian-bhakti footing. Maharishi did it in a purely intellectual way that made perfect, immediate sense, was at the same time very respectful of Christianity and Jesus, but also implicitly incorporated/subsumed Christianity into the meta-philosophy of TM and Maharishi's brand/lineage of Advaita Vedanta. Really masterful teaching. Little bit harder position to maintain with the present semi-Sai Baba Hindu veneer of the TMO. Thanks, again. ** *The actual technique might have had some influence on people's acceptance of what Maharishi was teaching, too. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rule2148 pbtown@ wrote: I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what that suffering and death accomplished. To put it in eastern terms, Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all time. This act of absolution required great suffering and the ultimate sacrifice to pay the price. For Maharishi to blithely say that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's karma. I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as penance for the world's karma. But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer. I totally agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much emphasis on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer. As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. And that's an experience that awaits all human beings. But it is an experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute. It's not something that you magically get by declaring I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. That's just a marketing ploy to get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- zero, zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of Christianity. And bravo to MMY for saying what he did. The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from. The Christian conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted from the Christian to Christ. An Indian friend of mine who converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime. Thus, Christians honor the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing one's own bad karma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe rudra_joe@ wrote: Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily turned on. By good or bad. But on the other hand, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert colowe@ wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by the Roman's; it's message: Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also. Many thousands of Jews were executed this way. So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and then you die. You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that... So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways... As a matter of fact; All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all of the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers. So, what do you expect. After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq... Bullshit. Everybody knows Little Debbie told him to do it. Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions... Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake. Now, there's a spiritual ceremony! R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering. those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system and its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at many book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was not a better collection of lectures. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - -- --- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Snip** I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's. At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really wonderful. **End** On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting Nityananda, etc. It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved it. It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when you weren't rounding but still riding that wave. You know, on so many levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most amazing times. And so wonderfully whacked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: **Snip** I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's. At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really wonderful. **End** On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting Nityananda, etc. It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved it. It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when you weren't rounding but still riding that wave. You know, on so many levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most amazing times. And so wonderfully whacked. Play of Consciousness To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, thanks, that sounds like the right title. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: **Snip** I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's. At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really wonderful. **End** On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting Nityananda, etc. It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved it. It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when you weren't rounding but still riding that wave. You know, on so many levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most amazing times. And so wonderfully whacked. Play of Consciousness To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch)lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten...On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mark robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by the Roman's; it's message: Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also. Many thousands of Jews were executed this way. So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and then you die. You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that... So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways... As a matter of fact; All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all of the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers. So, what do you expect. After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq... Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions... Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake. Now, there's a spiritual ceremony! R.G. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life It's all about guilt. Don't forget, Christ died for YOUR sins. Guilt is one of the all-time favorite control mechanisms ever discovered. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a "take Christ down from the cross campaign". Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough.Rick CarlstromThe cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom The cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Won't you come down Mister From your self-imposed Rack on the wall. Won't you come down, please, Before you hurt yourself Mister From a late 60s song by Buffy St Marie (as best I can remember). L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I know a guy who was tortured to death in public in Nero's Rome. He wasn't CC and relives it several times a week. According to his shrink he is suffering from PTSD. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing. Vaj, But such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. But to be fair, wasn't Krishna's (CRISTNA) death similar and aren't there similar representative icons in India? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom The cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. The true symbolism of Christ on the cross, is that the cross represents the flesh and blood body, and the conscious Self (Christ) is nailed to this cross of earthly existence by the senses of sight, hearing, taste and smell. Only when the Self no longer identifies with and as the flesh will it be taken down from the cross and ascend into heaven. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's appealing for us but maybe some are happy in a pure land. Perhaps in Jesusloka. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down.Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Krishna was shot in the toe with an arrow and Jesus jabbed a few more times (he was Jewish, they need pathos). The barbs of earthly karma. Dare to face up? - Original Message - From: mark robert To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing. Vaj, But such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. But to be fair, wasnt Krishnas (CRISTNA) death similar and arent there similar representative icons in India? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
My sister was prolly St. Francis. You can't imagine
the trouble she has been into getting mostly naked onto airplanes and flying
weird places in the middle of the night.
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I know a guy who was tortured to death in
public in Nero's Rome. Hewasn't CC and relives it several times a week.
According to his shrinkhe is suffering from PTSD.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"mark robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor
guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down.
Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad
religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much
more appealing.
Vaj,
But such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like
ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as
a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as
the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing
this major cultural icon of the West.
But to be fair, wasn't Krishna's ("CRISTNA") death similar
and aren't there similar representative icons in India?
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Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily turned on. By good or bad. But onthe other hand, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him "in death", so weird. They always want to say how "Christ died for our sins" , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: "It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ." Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system andits inherent discrimnation and exploitation.The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It wasshowcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at manybook stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was not abetter collection of lectures. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. Good point. But to be fair, wasnt Krishnas (CRISTNA) death similar and arent there similar representative icons in India? Well I remember him being shoot with an arrow and raising from the dead 3 days later. Pretty darn close, eh? All the picts I see have this blue-skinned dude playing the flute to admiring women and the occasional cow. More like a Jethro Tull concert.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
Oh come on, the self is nailed down to the relative because that is heaven. The cross feels like exstacy after 1,000 years, come push those nails deeper little boy. The cross points are the points of the all seeing eyes of the soul as it is enlightened within the material plane of tamas, One is nailed down in divinity at at least five points from crown to hands and feet, and with the secret inner space of the heart - side - where the power resides. You're enlightened so don't be clowning.Fuck ascension, descension of the spirit. Ascension is backwards. You freaking Vedanuts, I swear. You got it all backwards. - Original Message - From: crukstrom To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a "take Christ down from the cross campaign". Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom The cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down.The true symbolism of Christ on the cross, is that the cross represents the flesh and blood body, and the conscious Self (Christ) is nailed to this cross of earthly existence by the senses of sight, hearing, taste and smell. Only when the Self no longer identifies with and as the flesh will it be taken down from the cross and ascend into heaven.Rick CarlstromTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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That is, you move up, the spirit moves down. The Hexagram. Yod Hey Vav Hey. Tetragrammaton. The inner circle of Kali, and the inner Shaktis. These symbols are time tested and true, and all point to the bindu seeing awakening of the natural state expressing itself. The inner Devloka. The kingdom of heaven lies within, well not really because as above so below even more ancient wisdom, because Jesus was meant for those dumb Pharasees. Fuckers greased their hair and put grape mash on their rotten lamb bacuse they didn't have electricity or ice. - Original Message - From: crukstrom To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a "take Christ down from the cross campaign". Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom The cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down.The true symbolism of Christ on the cross, is that the cross represents the flesh and blood body, and the conscious Self (Christ) is nailed to this cross of earthly existence by the senses of sight, hearing, taste and smell. Only when the Self no longer identifies with and as the flesh will it be taken down from the cross and ascend into heaven.Rick CarlstromTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's appealing for us but maybe some are happy in a pure land. Perhaps in Jesusloka. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing. I think also there is that kind of obsession/enjoyment with GUILT. Jesus on the cross reminds people that Jesus suffered and died for us it seems a kind of penance/reminder of our negative sinning self. Again, the focus is on the small self, the relative and human error instead of divinity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's appealing for us but maybe some are happy in a pure land. Perhaps in Jesusloka. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:34 AM, rudra_joe wrote: That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. Yeah, people on torture devices tend to make for bad religious symbols. Christ in ascension / attaining the Jalus is much more appealing. I think also there is that kind of obsession/enjoyment with GUILT. Jesus on the cross reminds people that Jesus suffered and died for us it seems a kind of penance/reminder of our negative sinning self. Again, the focus is on the small self, the relative and human error instead of divinity. I agree with all the posts on this thread. I am all for cleaning up religion and making it pretty and cozy. Lets at least ban those skulls from kali's necklace. And what is this shiva lord of destruction thing??!!. I think religion should be all smiley faces and happy people, because its all about a comfortable blissful life, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh come on, the self is nailed down to the relative because that is heaven. The cross feels like exstacy after 1,000 years, come push those nails deeper little boy. The cross points are the points of the all seeing eyes of the soul as it is enlightened within the material plane of tamas, One is nailed down in divinity at at least five points from crown to hands and feet, and with the secret inner space of the heart - side - where the power resides. You're enlightened so don't be clowning.Fuck ascension, descension of the spirit. Ascension is backwards. You freaking Vedanuts, I swear. You got it all backwards. Dammit! Wrong again. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. Good point. But to be fair, wasnt Krishnas (CRISTNA) death similar and arent there similar representative icons in India? Well I remember him being shoot with an arrow and raising from the dead 3 days later. Pretty darn close, eh? All the picts I see have this blue-skinned dude playing the flute to admiring women and the occasional cow. More like a Jethro Tull concert. Vaj, Some accounts have him hung/nailed/crucified in the tree that he was shot under. Wasnt he also virgin-birthed? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system and its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. There is an inherent caste system in the human population: some people are real smart, some people are real dumb, most fall in the middle portions of the bell curve (and the classic bell curve is the distribution of intelligence among humans). So there is an obvious caste in human life, and the fact that traditional Vedic culture acknowledges it, while democratic countries are proud of the fact that anybody can become President (even a degenerate moron like Dumbya), does not mean that the caste system, properly understood and lived is a means of discrimination and exploitation - - it may be discrimination (which is, after all, what intellect is all about), but it is not exploitative, but allows the fastest possible progress in human life and the greatest good for all. I am aware of all the abuses attributed to the current caste system in India, but that is a function of the low level of consciousness lived there now, and does not intrinsically discredit the caste system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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. But to be fair, wasn't Krishna's (CRISTNA) death similar and aren't there similar representative icons in India? Some accounts have him hung/nailed/crucified in the tree that he was shot under. Wasn't he also virgin-birthed? didnt ever know about these paralells, but via google i found a relevant website: Christianity and the Vedic Teachings Within It http://www.stephen-knapp.com/ christianity_and_the_vedic_teachings_within_it.htm -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life It's all about guilt. Don't forget, Christ died for YOUR sins. Guilt is one of the all-time favorite control mechanisms ever discovered. L B S A poem by Robert Browning suggests why some people think of God in terms of fear (because the brutish and fearful think God must be that way too): from Wikipedia -- Caliban upon Setebos is a poem written by the British poet Robert Browning. It deals with Caliban, a character from Shakespeare's The Tempest, and his reflections on Setebos, the brutal god he believes in. Browning was of the belief that God is in the eye of the beholder so to speak, and this is emphasized by a barbaric character believing in a barbaric god. Men usually make their gods in their own image. -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Mother Olson talking about how off Catholics were in their devotions to the crucifix. With all the beauty of a saints life, why the focus on a gory death? In every Catholic church is a crucifix and good catholics bow as they pass it. The Christians are against choices, against anything that allows one to die. One has to wonder why all this fixation on death if the belief is in everlasting life with rewards in heaven. You would think that Christians would be happy for anyone who died and went home to God. I remember reading in autobiography of a yogi that if people really knew what was going on, they would celebrate death and be saddened by birth (something like that). Everyone is riveted by Schiavo's death. Every moment we get an update. How would you feel to have so much attention when you want to be left alone? If I don't feel well, I don't want someone reporting every gory detail or hanging around watching me. People are dying every minute every day, why in the world fixate on it? Maybe Christians are really terribly afraid of death so they have to reassure themselves that they are the chosen ones and will really really really go to heaven. Those professing so much belief, seem to have so little faith. PS I was raised a good catholic I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Mother Olson talking about how off Catholics were in their devotions to the crucifix. With all the beauty of a saints life, why the focus on a gory death? In every Catholic church is a crucifix and good catholics bow as they pass it. The Christians are against choices, against anything that allows one to die. One has to wonder why all this fixation on death if the belief is in everlasting life with rewards in heaven. You would think that Christians would be happy for anyone who died and went home to God. I remember reading in autobiography of a yogi that if people really knew what was going on, they would celebrate death and be saddened by birth (something like that). Everyone is riveted by Schiavo's death. Every moment we get an update. How would you feel to have so much attention when you want to be left alone? If I don't feel well, I don't want someone reporting every gory detail or hanging around watching me. People are dying every minute every day, why in the world fixate on it? Maybe Christians are really terribly afraid of death so they have to reassure themselves that they are the chosen ones and will really really really go to heaven. Those professing so much belief, seem to have so little faith. PS I was raised a good catholic I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, so weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our sins , I mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the focus: ascension eternal life Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
