[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
NoBody in SSRS camp is offended by TM. in fact SSRS teaches TM in the Third-Level course. it is Sahaja Samadhi meditation. Sudharshana Kriya is no more harmful than Yogic-flying.! When I told my Sudharshna instructor that, I am a follower of Maharishi, he spoke very highly of Maharishi. SSRS says that there is always a place for Maharishi and his associates in his Bangalore Ashram. Always Welcome he says. bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:16:48 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18thHe's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, We're Ok, everyone else is fucked. :-) So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their fair share of fanatics? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I suspect you don't either. Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. Nope,common sense. Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the guy a break and assume that there just might be a rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. Did I suggest that there was a rational explanation for either Bob's remarks OR MMY's? I said suggested that neither of us knew what MMY meant by his remarks. YOU are one reading something into my pointing out the obvious. What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such compassion if the same sort of thing had been said by one of the people you consider an anti-TMer, eh? How is what I said compassionate or non-compassionate? Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. Perhaps you can learn to stop projecting hostility onto other people's remarks? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how many people will buy bullshit when you present it as if you knew. :-) As I already responded: I don't know. I assume that they were being honest when they said that they were doing well. They may not have been honest, or perhaps I was reading more into their response than they meant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost anything. How many each month since the recertification course? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest large cities inthe USA has a recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM regularly. I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for details past how are initiations going? They said quite well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of honesty when telling you these things that they use when telling them to themselves. /shrug. Of course. No need to project your expectations of dishonesty onto me, however. Or are you suggesting that I am deliberately distorting things also? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as low-paid volunteers. They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full-time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, We're Ok, everyone else is fucked. :-) So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their fair share of fanatics? Well, duh. Fanaticism (Our technique is the best; all other techniques are lesser) is part and parcel of the TM dogma. But in particular I was speaking of a few of the obviously pro-TM fanatics on this forum, like Bob in his worst moments (like above) and lupidus, in pretty much all of his. They took the You're special because you do TM teaching to heart, and allowed it to develop into a real elitism fetish. In my opinion, anyone who spent a lot of time listening to the TM dogma has been pretty much imprinted with its teaching of how special and unique they are as TMers. But most people, especially on FFL, got over it. Some haven't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, We're Ok, everyone else is fucked. :-) So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their fair share of fanatics? Have you developed a stutter? *Of course* they have. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for details past how are initiations going? They said quite well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of honesty when telling you these things that they use when telling them to themselves. /shrug. Of course. No need to project your expectations of dishonesty onto me, however. Or are you suggesting that I am deliberately distorting things also? Dishonest with us? Absolutely not. Dishonest with yourself? Perhaps. What I was talking about with regard to the two recerts and their glowing report about how well they were doing was this *self* honesty thang. Are they likely to be telling *themselves* the truth about how well they're doing? If they're financially self-sufficient (for now), are they likely to have even *noticed* that no one is showing up for their talks and starting TM? They're getting by, while doing what Maharishi told them to do. So of course in their eyes they're doing well. In your case, you *wanted* to hear how well they were doing. So you never bothered to ask the most obvious of questions -- How many people have you taught so far? So no, I don't think you were trying to be dishonest with us, but I do think it's possible that you avoided asking this obvious question because you didn't want to know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: [...] You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as low-paid volunteers. They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full-time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well?' I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: [...] And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as low-paid volunteers. They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full- time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well?' I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In my opinion, anyone who spent a lot of time listening to the TM dogma has been pretty much imprinted with its teaching of how special and unique they are as TMers. But most people, especially on FFL, got over it. Some haven't. I think you make the assumption that to hear = to become imprinted with because that's how it was for you, so you project it onto others and interpret everything they say in that light. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, We're Ok, everyone else is fucked. :-) So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their fair share of fanatics? Have you developed a stutter? No, he hasn't. You replied to the same post twice. *Of course* they have. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY goes and probably not from within the current inner circle. SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make everyone feel equal and comfortable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make everyone feel equal and comfortable. Well no *wonder* Bob flies into a rage whenever SSRS's name is mentioned. The mere *thought* of a spiritual movement in which he wouldn't be encouraged to consider himself superior to other people must give him hives! ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. There are certain services you aren't including which would have a huge profit margin--namely services performed in India. The prices for movement yagyas were insanely high--so they were making a huge profit there. Same with MAPI products, also made there, for a few rupees. Also with Jyotish, prices were higher, but given to Indians who probably only got a few rupees comparatively. There were also tours of ayurvedic physicians like Trigunaji who would take your pulse for hundreds of dollars--how much do you think he got? The Amrit Kalash formula and numerous other formulae were given to Mahesh under the provision they were used to benefit humanity but not to make money (but his greed could not ignore the potential profit of such items). And of course there is 'bilking the elite' for donations. The pundit project has to be the best rip-off project yet conceived--and also extremely profitable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Well, duh. Fanaticism (Our technique is the best; all other techniques are lesser) is part and parcel of the TM dogma. Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best, fastest and will get you fully enlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Well, duh. Fanaticism (Our technique is the best; all other techniques are lesser) is part and parcel of the TM dogma. Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best, fastest and will get you fully enlightened. Said for the most part by people who have never in their lives had an experience of enlightenment or really studied (meaning, working with a teacher, not from a book) any other technique of meditation. They just declare these things as absolute TRUTHS, because that's the way they were presented to them. And then there's the level of fanaticism I love the best -- being willing to declare tens of thousands of people who practice other techniques WRONG about their OWN experiences in meditation. According to this level of fanatic, if someone says that their concentration- based techniques produce transcendence directly, they are by definition WRONG. The fanatics claim to know that this can never happen, because they know how the mind really works in *all* meditation techniques, based on their limited experience with only one. Pretty amazing, when you think of it. I've run into superiority, elitism and fanaticism in other organiz- ations, but *never* to this extent. And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? Or, for that matter, those who keep claiming that the pundits are gonna be showing up in large numbers Any Day Now. Face it...even the Bush administration probably doesn't have the percentage of fanatics that the TMO does. And that's really saying something. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 billion, but that was ten years ago I think. Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: [...] And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as low-paid volunteers. They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full- time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well?' I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 billion, but that was ten years ago I think. Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? Depends on the real estate market? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. There are certain services you aren't including which would have a huge profit margin--namely services performed in India. The prices for movement yagyas were insanely high--so they were making a huge profit there. Same with MAPI products, also made there, for a few rupees. Also with Jyotish, prices were higher, but given to Indians who probably only got a few rupees comparatively. There were also tours of ayurvedic physicians like Trigunaji who would take your pulse for hundreds of dollars--how much do you think he got? The Amrit Kalash formula and numerous other formulae were given to Mahesh under the provision they were used to benefit humanity but not to make money (but his greed could not ignore the potential profit of such items). And of course there is 'bilking the elite' for donations. The pundit project has to be the best rip-off project yet conceived--and also extremely profitable. I already mentioned MAPI products, Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make everyone feel equal and comfortable. Well no *wonder* Bob flies into a rage whenever SSRS's name is mentioned. The mere *thought* of a spiritual movement in which he wouldn't be encouraged to consider himself superior to other people must give him hives! ;-) So David Lynch comes across as superior to everyone else? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Well, duh. Fanaticism (Our technique is the best; all other techniques are lesser) is part and parcel of the TM dogma. Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best, fastest and will get you fully enlightened. How do you know it won't? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY goes and probably not from within the current inner circle. SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make everyone feel equal and comfortable. That may be, but elitists like to feel elite, do they not? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: [...] And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as low-paid volunteers. They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full- time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well?' I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No fruit or reward needed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 billion, but that was ten years ago I think. Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? WHere did the Guardian get its figure? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
on 3/25/06 12:19 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > > Get with the program. > > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > detrement. > > JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No fruit or reward needed. And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, call it the Doormat technique. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:28 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. It's caused suffering to many people. Some will be damaged for this lifetime--maybe longer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. And the rest of us ended up in Fairfield. :) I remember when they did away with the sound effects in the Dome, at least in the women's. It went from sounding like a zoo at feeding time to sounding like a morgue. Ah, what fun it was back then. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/06 12:19 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. Depends on what goes on in the nervous system. Even TM can be too much for some people.I've had bouts of screaming my lungs out during meditation and a few convulsvive episodes, but given the state of my nervous system after 3 years of non-stop living (sometimes for days at a time) in a literally toxic environment, a little twitching might be expected. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: I already mentioned MAPI products, Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 months of herbs for under 100 USD. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Well, duh. Fanaticism (Our technique is the best; all other techniques are lesser) is part and parcel of the TM dogma. Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best, fastest and will get you fully enlightened. How do you know it won't? How do we know a house will not be finished when there are pieces missing or if there is insufficient technology to complete it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No fruit or reward needed. And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, call it the Doormat technique. That's funny. While I've met plenty of people in the TMO who are content to sit on their behinds and let the nature take care of it, I've also met plenty of people who go out and DO things. I'm known throughout the TMO as the public access advocate. Just about everyone who's been on MUM faculty knows my name. I did my own TV shows using the MUM video magazine for years. When a few people expressed concern that perhaps the video magazine shouldn't be shown in public, I responded that if they put their concerns in writing saying I didn'[t have permission to do that, I would stop. Never got any written permission or denial of permission, but I still sometimes get calls from people in the TMO asking my advice on how to set things up. (of course, given that public access no longer exists in mosty places in the country, I can't give them much advice, butthat's another matter). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: I already mentioned MAPI products, Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. How are they stolen? Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 months of herbs for under 100 USD. In the context of billions of dollars, a few millions or 10s of millions isn't significant. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. I'm pretty sure that there was an official goal bandied about. %5 million or something? Again, a drop in the bucket for this billions and billions of dollars claim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:28 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. It's caused suffering to many people. Some will be damaged for this lifetime--maybe longer. A new level of FUD: Fear Uncertainty and Doubt For Lifetimes Yet To Come. FUDFLYTC Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No fruit or reward needed. And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, call it the Doormat technique. Sal Ok, fruit-cake. She who always seeks the fruits (of the loom?) :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who had this happen to them. I happened to know one of them, who later went back to L.A. and spent five YEARS dealing with it, living with her parents, and unable to get a job because of the uncontrollable twitching and spasms. She had tried quit- ting meditation, going to doctors, anything she could think of...nothing worked. Like I said, I don't know exactly what brought it on, but I do know what made it go away for this woman. She started meditating with Rama (Fred Lenz), using his style of medtitation, and the twitching just WENT AWAY. Instantly. Never came back. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? More probably due to bathing after TM. Or having wacky parents whispering wak(Y) things in their ears at birth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who had this happen to them. And then Dr Elliot (re)discovered Thorozin ---(famous drug used to calm LSD flipouts) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? More probably due to bathing after TM. Or having wacky parents whispering wak(Y) things in their ears at birth. Or doing lots of drugs when they were younger. Given the era where this was happening a lot, I would bet better than 50-50 on the latter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat TM is 100% life supporting, and has no negative side effects, after having seen people twitching uncontrollably on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who had this happen to them. And then Dr Elliot (re)discovered Thorozin ---(famous drug used to calm LSD flipouts) Which quite possibly was what those were. The unstressing/memory/sleeping elephant model certainly makes sense for people in the 60's/70's showing massive signs of unstressing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Doc Martin is a popular TV-show from GB I think. Last night in the show, Ayurvedic Products was mentioned to be very dangerous because of the heavy metals in the products - . Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: I already mentioned MAPI products, Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 months of herbs for under 100 USD. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sparaig wrote: That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Do you have an explanation for it as in something bad is happening? WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Due to thinking a mantra in a quasi effortless way? Any number of reasons--over meditation, insufficient training, lack of walking meditation, impermeability to increased shakti, etc., etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc Martin is a popular TV-show from GB I think. Last night in the show, Ayurvedic Products was mentioned to be very dangerous because of the heavy metals in the products - . Ingegerd At least in the USA Maharishi Ayurveda Products does testing for heavy metal contamination on every shipment, or so they claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: I already mentioned MAPI products, Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 months of herbs for under 100 USD. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how many elite people the posters who are coming up with these theories have talked to lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth could possibly be considered more passรฉ, old, *not* in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being Presbyterian. The people who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge more for it is just an indication of how far out of touch the TM movement is. Heh. You know all the elite of the world? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many elites -- for simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and class (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) And its not unreasonable the the new TM (taught in a SV bulidng, by teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may have positive factors associated with it. It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be willing for the right product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will fill the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket these days. At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the classes. Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out $2500 loans so they can learn TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could be taking his money and investing it in real estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. He's actually doing something to help people. The day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that way. Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much if worthy individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with meditation. The non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if they can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's foundation, but he's thrown open the doors
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. Now, I may have heard it all. Loyalty test, sure. Actually, I'm not the only one who suspects this. Everyone that I have seen take a look at the new rajas on the web don't ever mention an interest in TM again. Did you mention to those who've glanced at the pictures that the rajahs had to pay a million dollars each for the privledge of wearing the funny hats? Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I don't know how many elite people the posters who are coming up with these theories have talked to lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth could possibly be considered more passรฉ, old, *not* in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being Presbyterian. The people who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge more for it is just an indication of how far out of touch the TM movement is. Heh. You know all the elite of the world? Well, no, but he doesn't have to, because those he knows are *representative*, you see, whereas those you and I know are not; plus which, he knows a *lot* more of these elite people than we do. I mean, Barry is among the elite of those who know elite people. So he can speak with perfect confidence about all those who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I don't know how many elite people the posters who are coming up with these theories have talked to lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth could possibly be considered more passรฉ, old, *not* in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being Presbyterian. The people who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge more for it is just an indication of how far out of touch the TM movement is. Heh. You know all the elite of the world? Well, no, but he doesn't have to, because those he knows are *representative*, you see, whereas those you and I know are not; plus which, he knows a *lot* more of these elite people than we do. I mean, Barry is among the elite of those who know elite people. So he can speak with perfect confidence about all those who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do. If an elite is talking to Barry, they are not the elite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Here's my guess: Because MMY ain't gonna be around much longer, and he wants to keep together a core group that has demonstrated they are completely committed to his teaching and to the TMO, in an attempt to prevent the organization from splintering and going off in all directions after his death. Whoever takes control of the TMO--probably King Tony--is going to need people he can rely on. It's likely to be pretty crazy for a while after MMY leaves us. Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. It's like saying, These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal. Yeah, right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I am happy for you that you have perfected the siddhi to talk to elites living 10 years in the future. Perhaps you can ask them what the price of major stocks are in 2016. Talking to elites today would be quite dumb, and was not the focus of my post -- other than examples highlighting perenial qualities of elites such as willing to pay a premium for a differentiated product or service with valued attributes. Asking someone in 1985 how much they were willing to pay for broadband internet service would be dumb. Asking college kids in 1957 -- the year of sputnik -- if they would line up around the block to hear an small indian man in robes talk about bliss and cosmic consciousness would be dumb. Its not out of the realm of possibilities that in the future, if a wave of new high grade and respected research was be published on TM in premier journals, and hundreds of refined and attractive SV teaching ceters are established, and if a set of articulate, educated and socially adept teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) are realities, then some in the top 2-3% of society may be attracted to the new TM. Things like kings seem very odd now -- but who knows in 10 years? When M. announced the Age of Enlightenment many thought he was going way over the line of public acceptance. Really. At the time, many saw it as a radical move. Over time, things that seemed over the line and radical, are common place 10 years later. And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how many elite people the posters who are coming up with these theories have talked to lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth could possibly be considered more passรฉ, old, *not* in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being Presbyterian. The people who are looking for the spiritually hip thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge more for it is just an indication of how far out of touch the TM movement is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many elites -- for simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and class (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) And its not unreasonable the the new TM (taught in a SV bulidng, by teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may have positive factors associated with it. It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be willing for the right product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will fill the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket these days. At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the classes. Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they are free. There are endless books, tapes,
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. Not in their eyes, you utter nitwit. In their perception of what's in *MMY's* eyes. Why is it so impossibly difficult for you to grasp this type of distinction, Barry? Oh, never mind, I know. It's because you desperately need your fix of TMer-bashing. It's like saying, These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal. Yeah, right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated shoppers and consumers--would not see through the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM advanced techniques and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Also the level of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to enlightenment. And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. It's like saying, These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal. Yeah, right. The other thing is, a spiritual path is by definition intensely personal, and one's efforts can really not be accurately judged by another. We proceed as fast as we are able to. Its not like going through medical school, for example. With regard to a loyalty test by a guru, whatever guru, we first have to assume that the test has value to us, to buy into it. So from the outside, any judgments of another's spiritual path are meaningless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated shoppers and consumers--would not And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM advanced techniques and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. Also the level of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to enlightenment. And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in Years? But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated shoppers and consumers--would not And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM advanced techniques and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. Also the level of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to enlightenment. And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in 10 years? But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. I dont find thant many of the top 2-3% income levels that want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or share a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:04 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated shoppers and consumers--would not And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM advanced techniques and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, when you pay more money, you get more. The elite know this and will pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for their buck. Also the level of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be- all and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to enlightenment. And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in Years? The market sector they are trying to tap will have have bought or buy elsewhere. Less market = less money. But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. There's more than AOL out there. The Spiritual Supermarket has grown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people who are looking for the spiritually hip kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be spiritual but my ego needs to feel hip. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. JohnY I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries past: Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants 432 AD To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:25 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip"ย kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego needs to feel"hip"."Ego is able to convert everything to its own use, evenย spirituality.ย For example, if you have learned of a particularlyย beneficial meditation technique of spiritual practice, then ego'sย attitude is, first to regard it as an object of fascination and,ย second to examine it.ย Finally, since ego is seeming solid andย cannot really absorb anything, it can only mimic.ย Thus ego tries toย examine and imitate the practice of meditation and the meditativeย way of life.ย When we have learned all the tricks and answers of theย spiritual game, we automatically try to imitate spirituality, sinceย real involvement would require the complete elimination of ego, andย actually the last thing we want to do is to give up the egoย completely.ย However, we cannot experience that which we are tryingย to imitate; we can only find some area within the bounds of ego thatย seems to be the same thing.ย Ego translates everything in terms ofย its own state of health, its own inherent qualities.ย It feels aย sense of great accomplishment and excitement at have been able toย create such a pattern.ย At last it has created a tangibleย accomplishment, a confirmation of its own individuality.ย ย ย ย If we become successful at maintaining ourย self-consciousness through spiritual techniques, then genuineย spiritual development is highly unlikely.ย Our mental habits becomeย so strong as to be hard to penetrate.ย We may even go so far as toย achieve the totally demonic state of complete "Egohood.""_fr. "Spiritual Materialism" C. Trungpa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:25 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people who are looking for the spiritually hip kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be spiritual but my ego needs to feel hip. That is why in it's distorted manifestation, Spirituality becomes Spiritual Materialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_materialism http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/cutting.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:04 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated shoppers and consumers--would not And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM advanced techniques and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, when you pay more money, you get more. The elite know this and will pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for their buck. What is the more that they get? They all get similar clothing, a safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will pay for them. How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will pay for them? But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in Livingsoton Manor in 2006. Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I have been to Chopra's Center in La Jolla, and lots of elites were flocking there. And his prices were on par, perhaps higher than the Raj. And 20 times what the local AV tech was offering 5 miles away in Pacific Beach, in their garage for the same thing. My point has little to do with the TM brand, and nothing to do with loyalties to the TM -- I left for the most part, body, heart and soul, in 1978. But I think that there is an opportunity and need for SOMEONE, som org, to do IT in a classy, polished that appeals to the upper strata of society. And clients will be happy to pay a premium price. MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The people who are looking for the spiritually hip kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be spiritual but my ego needs to feel hip. I tend to agree, but it's a factor to be dealt with out there in the olde spiritual smorgasbord. My point is that -- among the ones doing the shopping -- TM is considered pretty much the most pedestrian, least interesting, and least viable of the many spiritual paths. If you talk to people who are cruising the lectures and the bookstores in search of enlightenment or even a little peace these days, you'll find that for most of them learning TM is considered pretty much the last resort, a fallback position if nothing else works out for them. I've actually heard the phrase, Well, you can always learn TM, followed by group laughter at the idea of some poor schmoe who is so out of it that the only thing he could learn is TM. I'm not saying it *should* be -- I actually think that plain vanilla TM is more beneficial than many of the things considered hipper -- but that's the way it is. I just think that the people who still think it's widely respected should get out more. I agree. TM as we know it, AKA the SIMS days, the way it was taught, its image,etc are dead. What I am postulating is that a new, classy TM, with world class research, nice SV teaching centers, glowing classy teachers dripping with ojas, may be attractive to those making over $300-400,000 a year, in 10 years or so. Or some other program will fill the need. At the same prices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by the organisation that you have worked for for years. Disloyalty, what crap. JohnY It's like saying, These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal. Yeah, right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally considers the teachers who have chosen not to take the loyalty test to be disloyal, or whether that's something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies and presented as if it were fact. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, when you pay more money, you get more. The elite know this and will pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for their buck. What is the more that they get? They all get similar clothing, a safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will pay for them. Finer quality clothing; nicer room with many amenities like internet on your TV with wireless, even butlers at some hotels, several rooms, massage, etc.; nicer greens, top-rate gourmet restuarant, nicer clubhouse, celebs, politicians, etc. How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will pay for them? It's just my sense from being at around other people of what they want. TM has been passe for a while now. Overpriced TM is even more passe. But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in Livingsoton Manor in 2006. I was responding to your comments on funky facilities. Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I have been to Chopra's Center in La Jolla, and lots of elites were flocking there. And his prices were on par, perhaps higher than the Raj. And 20 times what the local AV tech was offering 5 miles away in Pacific Beach, in their garage for the same thing. Exactly--and it is these type of places I would expect to continue to see elites go to. My point has little to do with the TM brand, and nothing to do with loyalties to the TM -- I left for the most part, body, heart and soul, in 1978. But I think that there is an opportunity and need for SOMEONE, som org, to do IT in a classy, polished that appeals to the upper strata of society. And clients will be happy to pay a premium price. Yes, I agree--I just would be amazed if it was the TMO. There already are such facilities (as you pointed out) and some appear to be be doing quite well. Did you happen to catch the 60 Minutes installment on people who go to Thailand and India for surgeries? It's incredible. The same thing is happening with panchakarma. It's very, very reasonable and you receive better care than in the US. MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. Some of the things are done very well. For example, if anything, I could see elite continuing to use TMO panchakarma mansions if another similar facility does not happen. Some may learn TM while there. The organic farming subscription plan also sounds very promising to me-- and you have a sense this will be done quite well--certainly better than federal standards. I have a colleague whose daughter is raking in 200K a year on her own organic farm, which is rather small, so it could also work--if the movement doesn't fold. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. JohnY I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries past: Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants 432 AD That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus just as the TMO is losing its focus. I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of their way to save the odd dollar. It justifies their sense of superiority towards the masses who waste money and don't work hard enough or aren't clever enough to do what they can do. They want also the badges of the elite - designer labels etc to demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their appreciation of quality and celebrate their belonging to a priviledged group. The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may represent quality so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global traditional culture of spirituality that is clearly at odds with the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are off-putting. The TMO is just not cool, it's downright embarassing. If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made sense to get elite advice on how to do this. The reason so many of us are baffled, I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. The only thing that makes any overall sense is the money-grabbing tunnel-vision interpretation; and a systematic avoidance of putting the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it with his own resources decades ago). There is too much ignorance and denigration of what good already exists around - beautiful buildings and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. In their place wooden, ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority figures who seem as unspiritual as the rest of us in spite of decades of practice and fortunes spent on courses and support for MMY. This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for anyone, let alone an elite! But then they feel good als --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they saw through the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, when you pay more money, you get more. The elite know this and will pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for their buck. What is the more that they get? They all get similar clothing, a safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will pay for them. Finer quality clothing; nicer room with many amenities like internet on your TV with wireless, even butlers at some hotels, several rooms, massage, etc.; nicer greens, top-rate gourmet restuarant, nicer clubhouse, celebs, politicians, etc. How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will pay for them? It's just my sense from being at around other people of what they want. TM has been passe for a while now. Overpriced TM is even more passe. But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying I belong to you, or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in Livingsoton Manor in 2006. I was responding to your comments on funky facilities. Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I have been to Chopra's Center in La Jolla, and lots of elites were flocking there. And his prices were on par, perhaps higher than the Raj. And 20 times what the local AV tech was offering 5
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY goes and probably not from within the current inner circle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. JohnY I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries past: Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants 432 AD That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus just as the TMO is losing its focus. I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. Well I left it in 428 and was still very hip. :) But you appear to be confusing two separate points. First, my point, is that people are not as turned off by some radical things ten or 50 years hence, as we may initially think. Second, a focus on ostentatious behavior may well be a sign of decline on any organizations, particlularly a spiritual one. Though perhaps less to for one focusing solely on ostentatious people (top 3% of earners) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. Now, I may have heard it all. Loyalty test, sure. Actually, I'm not the only one who suspects this. Everyone that I have seen take a look at the new rajas on the web don't ever mention an interest in TM again. Did you mention to those who've glanced at the pictures that the rajahs had to pay a million dollars each for the privledge of wearing the funny hats? Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. Talk to your disenchanted friends. ANd explain the above. See what they say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? The rajahs were tested fortheir loyalty by paying $1 million for the privledge of wearing funny hats. In exchange, they were given managerial positions in the TMO. Can you imagine Deepak Chopra ever wearing a funny hat in public? And there's no loyalty test for TMers, only for the managers of the TMO. Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. It's like saying, These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal. Yeah, right. Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of their way to save the odd dollar. Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night hotels. I am not saying they are not looking of a deal but its of theorder of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. They want also the badges of the elite - designer labels etc to demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their appreciation of quality and celebrate their belonging to a priviledged group. Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may represent quality so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global traditional culture of spirituality that is clearly at odds with the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are off-putting. The TMO is just not cool, it's downright embarassing. And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from elite families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made sense to get elite advice on how to do this. Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems like a darn good focus group to me. The reason so many of us are baffled, the non-elites, right? I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans for the org? The only thing that makes any overall sense sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? is the money-grabbing tunnel-vision interpretation; And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision interpretation? and a systematic avoidance of putting the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it with his own resources decades ago). You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so arrogance-free. There is too much ignorance and denigration of what good already exists around around this post? - beautiful buildings and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. In their place wooden, ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority figures You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down to earth. who seem as unspiritual again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for anyone, let alone an elite! Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that decisions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? The rajahs were tested fortheir loyalty by paying $1 million for the privledge of wearing funny hats. In exchange, they were given managerial positions in the TMO. Can you imagine Deepak Chopra ever wearing a funny hat in public? Sure. He wears funny sweaters all the time. SSRS wears very funny hats sometimes. If you can't laugh at yourself, the stick up your butt prevents the kundalini from fully flowing. Kundalini Sutras, Ch xii, V34 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by the organisation that you have worked for for years. Disloyalty, what crap. So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first guy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally considers the teachers who have chosen not to take the loyalty test to be disloyal, or whether that's something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies and presented as if it were fact. There are two loyalty tests: 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to run the TMO; 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices of the TMO. The TM teachers who refuse to accept #2 before teaching TM are, by definition, disloyal to the TMO. They guys who don't want to wear funny hats after paying $1 million for the privledge don't have to pay $1 million for the privledge, but they also don't get to help run the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. True enough. If TM *IS* a valid, mechanical spiritual technique, the attitude of the student, aside from being willing to practice it, is unimportant. However, people who are impressed by sterile, elitist organizations who happen to have lots of money, influence, etc, are among the ones who most need to practice a valid spiritual technique. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally considers the teachers who have chosen not to take the loyalty test to be disloyal, or whether that's something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies and presented as if it were fact. There are two loyalty tests: 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to run the TMO; 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices of the TMO. or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive imaginations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would definately inspire them to start TM. JohnY I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries past: Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants 432 AD That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus just as the TMO is losing its focus. I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. That may be, but the spiritual hip are seldom the monetarily/Power elite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. OK, you don't look like one of the target customers. But that he or his team eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you. Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10% probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a service that appeals to those making $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic. My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme probabilities e.g., (It will never happen). MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY goes and probably not from within the current inner circle. In what way is SSRS more popular? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I think it's worth noting that the concept of loyalty test tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered disloyal because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally considers the teachers who have chosen not to take the loyalty test to be disloyal, or whether that's something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies and presented as if it were fact. There are two loyalty tests: 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to run the TMO; 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices of the TMO. or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive imaginations. Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc etc... No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most generous party supporters... No I wasn't there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? But it's not a minority who think that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. That is just observable outcome. But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive trusting myself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of their way to save the odd dollar. Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night hotels. I am not saying they are not looking of a deal but its of theorder of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. They want also the badges of the elite - designer labels etc to demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their appreciation of quality and celebrate their belonging to a priviledged group. Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may represent quality so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global traditional culture of spirituality that is clearly at odds with the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are off-putting. The TMO is just not cool, it's downright embarassing. And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from elite families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made sense to get elite advice on how to do this. Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems like a darn good focus group to me. The reason so many of us are baffled, the non-elites, right? I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans for the org? The only thing that makes any overall sense sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? is the money-grabbing tunnel-vision interpretation; And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision interpretation? and a systematic avoidance of putting the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it with his own resources decades ago). You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so arrogance-free. There is too much ignorance and denigration of what good already exists around around this post? - beautiful buildings and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. In their place wooden, ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority figures You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down to earth. who seem as unspiritual again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for anyone, let alone an elite! Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that decisions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what way is SSRS more popular? I just saw an interview with HHDL on CNN. Quite nice in itself. But in a follow up interview with the DL interviewer, he mentioned meditation, and said whether its Transcendental Meditation or any meditation, lots of people are seeking meditation [as part of a secularly spiritual life]. Everyone knows the term Transcendental Meditation and TM. How many know the term Sudarshan Kryia (one of the main programs of SSRS)? Or if you mention Ravi Shankar and/or AOL -- how many think of SSRS and the Art of Living org, and not that sitar player, or father of Nora Jones, and America-on-Line? SSRS and AOL may be getting quite popular in india, but I don't see AOL experiencing anything like the SIMS days popularity in the US. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc etc... No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most generous party supporters... No I wasn't there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? But it's not a minority who think that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. That is just observable outcome. But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive trusting myself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of their way to save the odd dollar. Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night hotels. I am not saying they are not looking of a deal but its of theorder of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. They want also the badges of the elite - designer labels etc to demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their appreciation of quality and celebrate their belonging to a priviledged group. Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may represent quality so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global traditional culture of spirituality that is clearly at odds with the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are off-putting. The TMO is just not cool, it's downright embarassing. And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from elite families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made sense to get elite advice on how to do this. Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems like a darn good focus group to me. The reason so many of us are baffled, the non-elites, right? I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans for the org? The only thing that makes any overall sense sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? is the money-grabbing tunnel-vision interpretation; And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision interpretation? and a systematic avoidance of putting the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it with his own resources decades ago). You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so arrogance-free. There is too much ignorance and denigration of what good already exists around around this post? - beautiful buildings and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. In their place wooden, ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority figures You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down to earth. who seem as unspiritual again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for anyone, let alone an elite! Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that decisions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be successful in the elite market in ten years. Thats not particularly hopeful. Actually, hope has nothing to do with it. I don't care one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for that market. and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero probability that the TMO could be successful in the elite market in ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is short-sighted and closed-minded. But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. Have the last word if you wish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be successful in the elite market in ten years. Thats not particularly hopeful. Actually, hope has nothing to do with it. I don't care one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for that market. and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero probability that the TMO could be successful in the elite market in ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is short-sighted and closed-minded. But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... Have the anti-crown crowd, or its just anarchaic mideval thing observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier head wear? Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... Have the anti-crown crowd, or its just anarchaic mideval thing observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier head wear? Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... Have the anti-crown crowd, or its just anarchaic mideval thing observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier head wear? Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? I can also make them fly out of my mouth. (Yeah, I already know all the monkey breath jokes.) I can even make them fly out with jeweled crowns. I wonder. Do people think Norwegians and Thais are out of it and hoplessly wierd because they have a king? And do they think it so so very odd and bizzare that the royalty wear crowns? (I think.) Hereditary rulers in the domain of consciousness is kind of a nice idea IMO. If they can keep collective consciousness clear, bright and progressive, where is the problem? IF the influence of their programs is shown scientifically to have a beneficial effect, the laughter will settle down - and respect will grow. I think some on this list present things far more humorous than rich men wearing crowns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? They fly out much easier once the the stick in your butt is removed -- the one that makes one so rigid and mocking of new things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
