[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-) > > http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt Now Violet seems to, eh, check the classified in a newspaper ! http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Nabs, Thanks for the update on these hawks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-) > > http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Nabs, > > Thanks for the update on these hawks. It's interesting to see how she has tucked that newspaper around her. Could it be The New York Times ? http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-) http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Nabs, > > > > Thanks for the update on these hawks. > > It's interesting to see how she has tucked that newspaper > around her. Could it be The New York Times ? How the heck did it get in the nest? When I took a look fairly early this morning, it wasn't there. Did it just blow in, or what? Bobby didn't bring it in, did he? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-) According to a hawk expert who's answering questions about the upcoming Blessed Events, the more often she checks the eggs, the closer the chicks are to hatching. Once she starts feeling them pecking at the inside of the shell while she's sitting on them, she'll get up frequently and peer at them to see how it's going. It can take half a day for a chick to emerge; and the three eggs won't all hatch at once. I can only watch for a couple of minutes at a time, and every time I looked in today she was just sitting quietly, so either I'm missing it when she gets up, or there isn't a lot of action yet. > http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Nabs, > > > > > > Thanks for the update on these hawks. > > > > It's interesting to see how she has tucked that newspaper > > around her. Could it be The New York Times ? > > How the heck did it get in the nest? When I took a look > fairly early this morning, it wasn't there. Did it just > blow in, or what? Bobby didn't bring it in, did he? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-) > > According to a hawk expert who's answering questions > about the upcoming Blessed Events, the more often she > checks the eggs, the closer the chicks are to hatching. > Once she starts feeling them pecking at the inside of > the shell while she's sitting on them, she'll get up > frequently and peer at them to see how it's going. > > It can take half a day for a chick to emerge; and the > three eggs won't all hatch at once. I can only watch > for a couple of minutes at a time, and every time I > looked in today she was just sitting quietly, so > either I'm missing it when she gets up, or there isn't > a lot of action yet. > http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt I don't know where it came from. It's been blowing quite a lot there, perhaps the wind brought it ? If your theory is correct the hatching must be quite some time in the future as she is checking (!) them very unfrequently. It's night over there now and she seems to be sound asleep. But where is Bobby, does he have several nests ? He came by for a few minutes yesterday but then took off. What a funny project ! Thanks to the NYT and Judy for letting us know about it !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > But where is Bobby, does he have several nests ? He came by > for a few minutes yesterday but then took off. Apparently, according to the hawk expert who's been answering questions, he spends most of his time on a tree or perch where he has a good view of the nest so he can keep an eye out for potential marauders and deal with them before they can get to the nest. Or he's hunting for food to bring to Violet. Once the chicks hatch, he'll have to supply food to the whole family, all five of 'em. And before the chicks are ready to leave the nest, they'll have grown to almost the size of their parents and will be at least as hungry. So Bobby really has his work cut out for him. MIKE DIXON, have anything to add or correct?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The final swoop > and dive hits the spot. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been behind it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL and you as a member of this online community an item of interest and beauty and you have detracted from it with that uncalled for remark. For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum for whom I have greater respect and admiration than Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a disservice by your insult. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The final > > swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been behind it. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 You find just the *best* videos, dude. I once wrote a story that featured a hawk named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. Now I know what it would have looked like from his point of view.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your > comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL > and you as a member of this online community an > item of interest and beauty and you have detracted > from it with that uncalled for remark. > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum > for whom I have greater respect and admiration than > Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is > your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a > disservice by your insult. Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." Now think of that "heaven" being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. > > > The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could > > have been behind it. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: Your defense is much appreciated Marek and everything you wrote could have been written by me about you. That Nablusoss1008 would attempt to make any connection between my music and the video's music style kinda says it all. Great video. I was thinking that the missing component that they could include in a virtual reality mask, is the super normal vision of the predator birds. I would love to see the world as they do. My friend put is well when we were discussing bird's vision, he said "Can you imagine how sharp your eyes have be to fly between tree branches!" > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your comment was entirely > gratuitous. I shared with FFL and you as a member of this online community > an item of interest and beauty and you have detracted from it with that > uncalled for remark. > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum for whom I have greater > respect and admiration than Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is your gurubhai and you do > yourself and others a disservice by your insult. > > Marek > > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The final > > > swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been behind it. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > Excellent, thanks brother! And the great thing about hell is that you never have to fumble around for a light for your spliff! Now THAT"S heaven! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your > > comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL > > and you as a member of this online community an > > item of interest and beauty and you have detracted > > from it with that uncalled for remark. > > > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum > > for whom I have greater respect and admiration than > > Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is > > your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a > > disservice by your insult. > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > Judy Stein. > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > which has left them heartless, mean, > and completely devoid of compassion, > ethics, and joy. > > Some heaven. > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. > > > > The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could > > > have been behind it. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. > I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. Which comes back to my theory of meditaton, that it doesn't really improve people in any way that matters to people around them. It is an internal choice of a mental state that is important only to the person who prefers it. In this model we have to ditch every single claim of meditation's benifits to a person's social behavior. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have an internal value to the person. It obviously does, or they wouldn't continue given the lack of external, noticeable benifits to people around them. And I don't believe meditation or the fantasy worlds he enjoys have made Nabulous1008 worse in any way. I meet people like him in every field I interact with. It doesn't speak poorly about TM that he acts this way, it is all on him. TM is just a specialness prop. It could be anything, being the best cat show judge! You should see some of those misanthropes in action. So I second the idea that meditators are not worse, or better (my addition) to anyone else in the world. They are the same mix we find everywhere and the decades of practice hasn't seemed to have shifted this reality. > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:22 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your > > comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL > > and you as a member of this online community an > > item of interest and beauty and you have detracted > > from it with that uncalled for remark. > > > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum > > for whom I have greater respect and admiration than > > Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is > > your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a > > disservice by your insult. > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > Judy Stein. > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > which has left them heartless, mean, > and completely devoid of compassion, > ethics, and joy. > > Some heaven. > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. > I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > Although no group of three meditators is representative > > of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental > > ones. > > Which comes back to my theory of meditaton, that it > doesn't really improve people in any way that matters > to people around them. Now this is worth examining. First, I think that it's wise to remember that, unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, that both of you are equating "meditation" in this discussion with "Transcendental Meditation." I do not. My experience is that some other forms of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, Off, Judy. In these other traditions if this type of behavior was present before, and the three of them struggled to hang on to that behavior as desperately as these three do, it would NOT have been allowed. Other techniques and/or counseling would have been provided to keep the abherrent behavior from going as far and becoming as entrenched as it seems to have become in them. Compare and contrast to the TM community as we knew it, where these three DON'T EVEN STAND OUT. There are so MANY like them that my experience leads me to believe that there IS something in particular *wrong* with the TM approach if it allows behavior like this to not only go on for decades, but to be officially praised as being "On The Program." > It is an internal choice of a mental state that is > important only to the person who prefers it. Curtis, I think that different *forms* of meditation have different effects, and that some of those effects seem to be more positive in the long run than others. Also, in many other spiritual traditions, they don't have the TM "panacea" belief that meditation ALONE will "fix" everything, and is "all you need." They believe, in fact, just the opposite, that meditation alone will NOT "fix" everything, and that MANY other techniques of spiritual development are necessary. So I'm not sure I can agree with your thesis unless we are talking ONLY about TM, and its "one size fits all / meditation is all you need" mentality. It has not been my experience in some other spiritual com- munities that 30+ years of following *their( disci- plines results in a human being who seems to have learned nothing in all of those years. Yes, any group is composed of individuals, and there is variance between those individuals. But in any group there is also a "sameness," a kind of psychic "trademark" of that spiritual tradition or practice. And I'm not alone in the larger world of spiritual seekers to have noticed that the TM tradition seems to produce more of these bent and broken people than other traditions do. I don't personally know WHY, but I do know that it seems to be the case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. > > I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > Which comes back to my theory of meditaton, that it doesn't really improve > people in any way that matters to people around them. HaHa, you behave as the town fool as usual. Just because I find your music to be pathetic and intensely boring you attribute my umderstanding of music to the practise of TM. Just for the record; I have played the flute since I was 5 years old and my teachers have been amongst the most successfull in my country. I I can assure you that I am able to distinguish between what is good and what is not. Unfortunately your attempts to dabble with music fall in the last cathegory. I'm sorry, but this is simply my experience in listening to your "work". I am simply honest. Certainly you won't like it, but blaming TM for my honest opinion is somewhat weird, don't you think ? If this in your fantasies translates even remotedly to any relationship with TM so be it. Don't blame TM; it's just honesty.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your > > comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL > > and you as a member of this online community an > > item of interest and beauty and you have detracted > > from it with that uncalled for remark. > > > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum > > for whom I have greater respect and admiration than > > Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is > > your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a > > disservice by your insult. > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > Judy Stein. > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > which has left them heartless, mean, > and completely devoid of compassion, > ethics, and joy. > > Some heaven. > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > ...where we'll be listening to Miles and Son House and sharing a Chimay!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to see what cool stuff is out there. The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved hand was really fine. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > You find just the *best* videos, dude. > > I once wrote a story that featured a hawk > named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. > Now I know what it would have looked like > from his point of view. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Mike, you seem to know a lot more about raptors than I. (On second thought, I guess that isn't much of an accomplishment.) You knew that the hawk in the video wasn't a peregrine, at least. Have you, or do you, have hawks? When I lived in Davis there were a few people I met who hunted with hawks and it was not only fascinating to watch but I envied their relationship with such fine and regal beings. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and > falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: > > From: Marek Reavis > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They > do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to see > what cool stuff is out there. > > The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved > hand was really fine. > > Marek > > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Marek Reavis" > > wrote: > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > > > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > You find just the *best* videos, dude. > > > > I once wrote a story that featured a hawk > > named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. > > Now I know what it would have looked like > > from his point of view. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of presence. Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > Your defense is much appreciated Marek and everything you wrote could have > been written by me about you. That Nablusoss1008 would attempt to make any > connection between my music and the video's music style kinda says it all. > > Great video. I was thinking that the missing component that they could > include in a virtual reality mask, is the super normal vision of the predator > birds. I would love to see the world as they do. My friend put is well when > we were discussing bird's vision, he said "Can you imagine how sharp your > eyes have be to fly between tree branches!" > > > > > > > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your comment was entirely > > gratuitous. I shared with FFL and you as a member of this online community > > an item of interest and beauty and you have detracted from it with that > > uncalled for remark. > > > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum for whom I have greater > > respect and admiration than Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the > > TMO and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is your gurubhai and > > you do yourself and others a disservice by your insult. > > > > Marek > > > > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The final > > > > swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been behind > > > it. > > > > > >
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That sounds really fine, Mike. Where do you live? If I remember correctly, in California you have to have a permit to trap and train a raptor. Is that true where you live? Perhaps I have it wrong. Of the types you mentioned (Merlin, Peregrines, and Goshawks) which one would you prefer to train? Marek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I used to be into falconry back in the 60's and since I just retired, I have > nothing but loads of time ,so I'm getting back into it. I'm going to the > beach tomorrow to watch the return migration of Peregrines and Merlins. I'll > probably trap a few and let them go. They really are cool birds. I'll keep a > young one next Fall when they pass through again to train for hunting. There > is another You Tube video of a Goshawk flying in a forest with a camera > mounted on it's back. It's amazing how they can manuver through a forest at > such a high rate of speed. Mike > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: > > From: Marek Reavis > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:48 AM > > > > > > > > > Mike, you seem to know a lot more about raptors than I. (On second thought, I > guess that isn't much of an accomplishment. ) You knew that the hawk in the > video wasn't a peregrine, at least. Have you, or do you, have hawks? When I > lived in Davis there were a few people I met who hunted with hawks and it was > not only fascinating to watch but I envied their relationship with such fine > and regal beings. > > Marek > > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and > > falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. > > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: > > > > From: Marek Reavis > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. > > They do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to > > see what cool stuff is out there. > > > > The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved > > hand was really fine. > > > > Marek > > > > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Marek Reavis" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > > > > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > > > You find just the *best* videos, dude. > > > > > > I once wrote a story that featured a hawk > > > named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. > > > Now I know what it would have looked like > > > from his point of view. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of presence. > > Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. > This reminded me of a review I saw a while back - a book about nothing else but crows and ravens. It seemed such an "unlikely" subject to me, but the review was fascinating and there was clearly a huge depth in the subject of which I had no idea. So I made a mental note to get the book. But like most of my good intentions, it slipped my mind until I saw you mention those guys here. The book is "In the Company of Crows and Ravens" by JM Marzluff. Have you come across it? "Crows and people share similar traits and social strategies. To a surprising extent, to know the crow is to know ourselves." "Corvid intellect goes beyond tricks and chance. The authors have witnessed a murder of a crow by its fellows. They've also observed "funerals" in which a mob of crows silently surrounds a departed member [not the "murdered" one] for a long period, only to depart without a sound beyond the flutter of wings. Quiet crows are unusual. They also, it has been learned, developed the ability to count. Tests conducted with crows indicate they can count to five. They also "play". According to the authors, crows will slide down snowbanks or another smooth surface much as otters do, and with as little discernible purpose. Perhaps it's indicative that the Norse god Odin had two ravens, Thought and Memory as companions. "
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Richard, thanks for the recommendation. I have not heard of the book before but I plan on getting it now. Crows and ravens are my favorite all around bird. Just a few months ago I was walking across the jail parking lot, going to visit some clients, and there was a big seagull tugging and tearing at a discarded bag of Cheetos. You could see that there were still a few cheetos in the bag and the gull was intent on getting them. He struggled to rip the bag but wasn't making any progress at all when suddenly a crow swooped down, bullied the gull to one side, picked up the bag at the bottom end, dumped out the few remaining cheetos and quickly gobbled them up while the gull stood there, looking on incredulously. It was beautiful. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the > video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and > eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, > and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. > They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low > to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about > flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it > always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. > Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears > effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of > presence. > > > Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. > > > This reminded me of a review I saw a while back - a book about nothing > else but crows and ravens. It seemed such an "unlikely" subject to > me, but the review was fascinating and there was clearly a huge depth > in the subject of which I had no idea. So I made a mental note to get > the book. But like most of my good intentions, it slipped my mind until > I saw you mention those guys here. > > The book is "In the Company of Crows and Ravens" by JM Marzluff. Have > you come across it? > > "Crows and people share similar traits and social strategies. To a > surprising extent, to know the crow is to know ourselves." > > "Corvid intellect goes beyond tricks and chance. The authors have > witnessed a murder of a crow by its fellows. They've also observed > "funerals" in which a mob of crows silently surrounds a departed member > [not the "murdered" one] for a long period, only to depart without a > sound beyond the flutter of wings. Quiet crows are unusual. They also, > it has been learned, developed the ability to count. Tests conducted > with crows indicate they can count to five. They also "play". According > to the authors, crows will slide down snowbanks or another smooth > surface much as otters do, and with as little discernible purpose. > Perhaps it's indicative that the Norse god Odin had two ravens, Thought > and Memory as companions. " >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. > > I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > Which comes back to my theory of meditaton, that it doesn't really improve > people in any way that matters to people around them. It is an internal > choice of a mental state that is important only to the person who prefers it. > In this model we have to ditch every single claim of meditation's benifits > to a person's social behavior. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have an > internal value to the person. It obviously does, or they wouldn't continue > given the lack of external, noticeable benifits to people around them. And I > don't believe meditation or the fantasy worlds he enjoys have made > Nabulous1008 worse in any way. I meet people like him in every field I > interact with. It doesn't speak poorly about TM that he acts this way, it is > all on him. TM is just a specialness prop. It could be anything, being the > best cat show judge! You should see some of those misanthropes in action. > > So I second the idea that meditators are not worse, or better (my addition) > to anyone else in the world. They are the same mix we find everywhere and > the decades of practice hasn't seemed to have shifted this reality. I wonder about this. Most TBs started when they were young and impressionable so TM played a big role in making them who they are, especially if they got caught up in the TMOs organizational aspects. But the question we can't answer is whether they would have found another cult, another prop? We can never know. But given the age so many become believers I am not ready to believe it is all on the believer. That is why I express dismay when I think about TM in the schools. Kids are so impressionable. I do have to remind myself that most people who start TM don't keep up with it and my pool of TBs inevitably is an odd group. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch > the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. > I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Mike, the falconer in the video has a Web site: http://cemai.mejorforo.net It's in Spanish, unfortunately. But click Videos on the menu underneath the photo for more of his videos. They seem to all be YouTube videos, though, so you've probably seen them. But do take a look at his Galeria (photos) as well. He apparently participates in historical recreations at festivals with his hawks (which seem to be mostly eagles). There's a bunch of close-up shots of him *en costume* holding his gorgeous birds. I sent the flight video to my sister, who's a real hawk nut. She says she thinks it's a golden eagle, but she isn't sure. What do you say?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the > variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't > seen the one you sent before. Meant to add: Have you ever read "The Sword in the Stone," the first volume of "The Once and Future King" by T.H. White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He wrote a book about the experience called "The Goshawk." I just ordered it from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Goshawk-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590172493/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239412980&sr=8-1 http://tinyurl.com/c6yeow
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > Judy Stein. > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > which has left them heartless, mean, > and completely devoid of compassion, > ethics, and joy. > > Some heaven. > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > Although no group of three meditators is > representative of the whole bunch. I know > plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > First, I think that it's wise to remember that, > unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, > that both of you are equating "meditation" in > this discussion with "Transcendental Meditation." > I do not. My experience is that some other forms > of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead > to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, > Off, Judy. And which type of meditation is it that has led to *your* "abherrent" [sic] behavior, Barry? Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for "abherrent" [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse. > There are so MANY like them that my experience leads > me to believe that there IS something in particular > *wrong* with the TM approach if it allows behavior > like this to not only go on for decades, but to be > officially praised as being "On The Program." Of course, it isn't "officially praised as being 'On the Program.'" Nor is the TMO in a position to allow or not allow it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > > Judy Stein. > > > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > > which has left them heartless, mean, > > and completely devoid of compassion, > > ethics, and joy. > > > > Some heaven. > > > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > > > Although no group of three meditators is > > representative of the whole bunch. I know > > plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > And of course all the TM critics on FFL are > sweet and nonjudgmental, right? > > I have *never in my life* run into so many > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. Sooomight it not be time to move on? Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last until midnight on Friday???) it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into the fray.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > First, I think that it's wise to remember that, > > unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, > > that both of you are equating "meditation" in > > this discussion with "Transcendental Meditation." > > I do not. My experience is that some other forms > > of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead > > to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, > > Off, Judy. > > And which type of meditation is it that has led > to *your* "abherrent" [sic] behavior, Barry? > > Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off > the rails here? > > Of course not. > > Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely > viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't > agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for > "abherrent" [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE > HYPOCRISY. > > Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by > Barry to comment on it. > > I don't know which is worse. > Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad to witness. Judy, read what you just wrote and take some time out to really think about it. Or don't.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > First, I think that it's wise to remember that, > > > unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, > > > that both of you are equating "meditation" in > > > this discussion with "Transcendental Meditation." > > > I do not. My experience is that some other forms > > > of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead > > > to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, > > > Off, Judy. > > > > And which type of meditation is it that has led > > to *your* "abherrent" [sic] behavior, Barry? > > > > Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off > > the rails here? > > > > Of course not. > > > > Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely > > viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't > > agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for > > "abherrent" [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE > > HYPOCRISY. > > > > Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by > > Barry to comment on it. > > > > I don't know which is worse. > > > Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad > to witness. Judy, read what you just wrote and take some > time out to really think about it. I think perhaps it's you, among a number of others here, who needs to read what I wrote and take some time out to really think about it. I mean, you didn't notice the hypocrisy, did you? Or if you did, it appears you were afraid to comment on it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > > > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > > > > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > > > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > > > Judy Stein. > > > > > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > > > > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > > > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > > > which has left them heartless, mean, > > > and completely devoid of compassion, > > > ethics, and joy. > > > > > > Some heaven. > > > > > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > > > > > Although no group of three meditators is > > > representative of the whole bunch. I know > > > plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > > > And of course all the TM critics on FFL are > > sweet and nonjudgmental, right? > > > > I have *never in my life* run into so many > > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. > > Sooomight it not be time to move on? > > Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the > last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for > chronic posters like you supposed to last until > midnight on Friday???) There's no "sit-out time" unless you go over the limit. When you get to 50 posts, you stop posting until the new week begins, which is 8:00 p.m. CST Friday. All clear now? > it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into > the fray. Yes, I had some free time this evening. I don't suppose you had any comment on the content of my response to Rick. Was it too complicated for you to grasp? I'll be happy to explain further if you're confused.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > I have *never in my life* run into so many > > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. > > > -Mirror time. I'm not including you.
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Falconry is pretty much the same as it was during the Middle Ages, isn't it? I mean, other than things like the hawk cam in that video, have there been any technological or scientific advances with regard to training hawks? Or is it just long-accumulated experience and expertise? I wonder who first had the idea that a human could train a hawk and actually managed to do it. How far back does falconry go, do you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense raptor. > They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening reflexes. They > are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding that you find > game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion out on you! I > tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a kid. It nailed > me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition and there wasn't > game available. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: > > From: authfriend > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the > > variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't > > seen the one you sent before. > > Meant to add: Have you ever read "The Sword in the Stone," > the first volume of "The Once and Future King" by T.H. > White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring > an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. > > My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who > tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He > wrote a book about the experience called "The Goshawk." I > just ordered it from Amazon: > > http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ > ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1239412980& sr=8-1 > > http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > > > > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > > > > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > > > > > > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > > > > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > > > > Judy Stein. > > > > > > > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > > > > > > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > > > > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > > > > which has left them heartless, mean, > > > > and completely devoid of compassion, > > > > ethics, and joy. > > > > > > > > Some heaven. > > > > > > > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > > > > > > > Although no group of three meditators is > > > > representative of the whole bunch. I know > > > > plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > > > > > And of course all the TM critics on FFL are > > > sweet and nonjudgmental, right? > > > > > > I have *never in my life* run into so many > > > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > > > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. > > > > Sooomight it not be time to move on? > > > > Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the > > last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for > > chronic posters like you supposed to last until > > midnight on Friday???) > > There's no "sit-out time" unless you go over the limit. > When you get to 50 posts, you stop posting until the > new week begins, which is 8:00 p.m. CST Friday. > > All clear now? > > > it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into > > the fray. > > Yes, I had some free time this evening. > > I don't suppose you had any comment on the content > of my response to Rick. Was it too complicated for > you to grasp? I'll be happy to explain further if > you're confused. Uh-huh. No, I'm clear. You're a fifth of your way towards posting out this week.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > > > Here's an exercise for you. Think of > > > Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." > > > > > > Now think of that "heaven" being popu- > > > lated by people like Nabby, Off, and > > > Judy Stein. > > > > > > Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? > > > > > > Three peas in a pod, the common denom- > > > inator being 30+ years of regular TM, > > > which has left them heartless, mean, > > > and completely devoid of compassion, > > > ethics, and joy. > > > > > > Some heaven. > > > > > > I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. > > > > > > Although no group of three meditators is > > > representative of the whole bunch. I know > > > plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. > > > > And of course all the TM critics on FFL are > > sweet and nonjudgmental, right? > > > > I have *never in my life* run into so many > > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. > > Sooomight it not be time to move on? > > Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours > (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last > until midnight on Friday???) it seems you've just been bustin' to get back > into the fray. > She posted more in 4 hours than 70% of the posters here did in the entire last week. Amazing. The bile and venom seem endless. The post limit is a good thing. A very good thing. Her actions would lead one to believe that she thinks quantity masks her dishonesty.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > First, I think that it's wise to remember that, > > > unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, > > > that both of you are equating "meditation" in > > > this discussion with "Transcendental Meditation." > > > I do not. My experience is that some other forms > > > of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead > > > to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, > > > Off, Judy. > > > > And which type of meditation is it that has led > > to *your* "abherrent" [sic] behavior, Barry? > > > > Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off > > the rails here? > > > > Of course not. > > > > Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely > > viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't > > agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for > > "abherrent" [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE > > HYPOCRISY. > > > > Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by > > Barry to comment on it. > > > > I don't know which is worse. > > > Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad to witness. Judy, read > what you just wrote and take some time out to really think about it. > > Or don't. > Its not a pretty thing Geez. Perhaps do.reflex is right and it is a severe personality disorder of some kind. Maybe we should respond with compassion and pity or just completely ignore her. I hope she gets help someday. What a pathetic way to live a life. Jai Miles Davis ji
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The > > > final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been > > behind it. > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your comment was > entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL and you as a member of > this online community an item of interest and beauty and you > have detracted from it with that uncalled for remark. Also, as a matter of interest, the background music to the video was created by a group of Spanish Tibetan Monks called Buddhist Monks of Sakya Tashi Ling. The cuts are from their album "My Spirit Flies To You." The following videos show scenes from the monastery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLcUtawU-4Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohpez_Oj2XQ When I saw this clip, I did not click on the music link, but the first thing I thought when I saw the countryside being flown over was, "Wow! That looks like Sitges." As it turns out, it could be. The Sakya Tashi Ling monastery is a Buddhist retreat in the Garraf National Park, in the hills above Sitges. It is possible that the falconer is from this area as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The > > > > final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > > > Nice video, but the music is so poor that Curtis could have been > > > behind it. > > > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your comment was > > entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL and you as a member of > > this online community an item of interest and beauty and you > > have detracted from it with that uncalled for remark. > > Also, as a matter of interest, the background music > to the video was created by a group of Spanish Tibetan > Monks called Buddhist Monks of Sakya Tashi Ling. The > cuts are from their album "My Spirit Flies To You." > The following videos show scenes from the monastery: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLcUtawU-4Q > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohpez_Oj2XQ > > When I saw this clip, I did not click on the music link, > but the first thing I thought when I saw the countryside > being flown over was, "Wow! That looks like Sitges." > > As it turns out, it could be. The Sakya Tashi Ling monastery > is a Buddhist retreat in the Garraf National Park, in the > hills above Sitges. It is possible that the falconer is > from this area as well. > Great find, Barry. I really enjoyed the music. Thanks. IMO the music was a perfect pick for Hawk Cam. The Buddhist's one note drone moves the spirit, like the hawk, on and on, eternally non-changing and ever the same. Beautiful. It reminds me of Rig Veda chanting, which Maharishi referred to as creative intelligence "galloping," manifesting creation or Being becoming. http://tinyurl.com/csz4fc
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Fascinating stuff, thank you! Please report back on your experiences as you get into falconry again. Be really neat to have a firsthand account. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > The principles remain pretty much the same as they have for thousands of > years, but techniques to train the birds and manage them have evolved > tremendously since the 60's, when I was a kid.< We still control a bird > through it's weight and hunger response to food. But today, if a bird decides > to take off or chase another bird out of sight most falconers use telemetry > on their birds and can chase them down in a vehicle for miles and eventually > retrieve them. Another big change is that it is legal now! No longer limited > to royalty! A 2 year apprenticeship is required under a licensed falconer > helps to insure the welfare of the birds used.< Another modern feature is, > many of the birds used are now bred in captivity by falconers. This helped > restore Peregrines from near extinction and repopulate them to pre DDT > levels. The Peregrine Fund is currently breeding Aplomado Falcons and > releasing them into the wild to restore their numbers in the Southwest. There > are currently about 50 breeding pair in South Texas and another 150 captive > bred birds will be released this year in West Texas and New Mexico. It really > is an exciting time to get back into the sport. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: > > From: authfriend > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > Falconry is pretty much the same as it was during > the Middle Ages, isn't it? I mean, other than things > like the hawk cam in that video, have there been any > technological or scientific advances with regard to > training hawks? Or is it just long-accumulated > experience and expertise? > > I wonder who first had the idea that a human could > train a hawk and actually managed to do it. How far > back does falconry go, do you know? > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense > > raptor. They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening > > reflexes. They are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding > > that you find game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion > > out on you! I tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a > > kid. It nailed me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition > > and there wasn't game available. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: > > > > From: authfriend > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the > > > variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't > > > seen the one you sent before. > > > > Meant to add: Have you ever read "The Sword in the Stone," > > the first volume of "The Once and Future King" by T.H. > > White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring > > an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. > > > > My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who > > tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He > > wrote a book about the experience called "The Goshawk." I > > just ordered it from Amazon: > > > > http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ > > ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1239412980& sr=8-1 > > > > http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. > it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it > all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their > feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and > 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* > like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total > grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged > in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as > it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots > of presence. > > Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. Marek, January 16-17, 2010 is worth a trip to Iowa just to attend Eagle Days in Keokuk. It is blistering cold on a windy day walking on the observation deck overlooking the locks and damn but, despite the cold, a real thrill to see such gigantic birds fly high in the sky. The Mississippi freezes but the water stays open by the locks so the eagles can feed there. They are truly magnificent birds. There is a nature center nearby where you can warm up at an indoor show featuring a live bald eagle you'll get to see up close. Occasionally, I spot a bald eagle or two by river towns along the Des Moines not far from Fairfield. Beautiful. http://tinyurl.com/cg4xeb http://www.keokukiowatourism.org/eagledays.htm I checked out http://www.neatorama.com/ Fun site.
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RaunchyDog, the very first bald eagle I ever saw was in Fairfield. It was in the winter of '81-'82, and we (the young family) were living out on the east end of town, adjacent to a flower nursery and just up from Chatuagwa (sp?) Park. I was walking through the park on a grey, winter sky early morning walk. Snow was pushed up in big heaps along the roads, but in the woods the snow was pure white and maybe a foot deep with a little hard crust, so when you walked, you kind of crunched through, then sunk in. Walking through the trees while the sky slightly lightened and all of a sudden I see this adult bald eagle flying evenly overhead, never pausing to glide, but just evenly rowing himself through the sky right above me. I didn't know at the time about their midwest haunts. Seemed a good omen at the time. We used to find bald eagle feathers all the time along the beaches of the Olympic Peninsula. (In and around Port Angeles, not very far from where Arhata lives in Port Townsend, Washington.) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. > > it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it > > all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at > > their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, > > 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one > > *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly > > with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are > > totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the > > flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but > > they've got lots of presence. > > > > Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. > > Marek, January 16-17, 2010 is worth a trip to Iowa just to attend Eagle Days > in Keokuk. It is blistering cold on a windy day walking on the observation > deck overlooking the locks and damn but, despite the cold, a real thrill to > see such gigantic birds fly high in the sky. The Mississippi freezes but the > water stays open by the locks so the eagles can feed there. They are truly > magnificent birds. There is a nature center nearby where you can warm up at > an indoor show featuring a live bald eagle you'll get to see up close. > Occasionally, I spot a bald eagle or two by river towns along the Des Moines > not far from Fairfield. Beautiful. > > http://tinyurl.com/cg4xeb > http://www.keokukiowatourism.org/eagledays.htm > I checked out http://www.neatorama.com/ Fun site. >
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Very much right-on. Mom does most, if not all, the *sitting* and dad does the hunting for the family. Once the chicks start growing,mom will join the hunt as well. Those young'ns get mighty hungry! I'd hate to be a squirrel in Central Park or a slow pigeon! From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 1:26:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > But where is Bobby, does he have several nests ? He came by > for a few minutes yesterday but then took off. Apparently, according to the hawk expert who's been answering questions, he spends most of his time on a tree or perch where he has a good view of the nest so he can keep an eye out for potential marauders and deal with them before they can get to the nest. Or he's hunting for food to bring to Violet. Once the chicks hatch, he'll have to supply food to the whole family, all five of 'em. And before the chicks are ready to leave the nest, they'll have grown to almost the size of their parents and will be at least as hungry. So Bobby really has his work cut out for him. MIKE DIXON, have anything to add or correct?
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > Nablusoss1008, the added insult re Curtis in your > comment was entirely gratuitous. I shared with FFL > and you as a member of this online community an > item of interest and beauty and you have detracted > from it with that uncalled for remark. > > For what it's worth, there is no one on this forum > for whom I have greater respect and admiration than > Curtis. His current POV re Maharishi and the TMO > and your issues re that POV notwithstanding, he is > your gurubhai and you do yourself and others a > disservice by your insult. Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term "heaven on earth." Now think of that "heaven" being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones.
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Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: From: Marek Reavis Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to see what cool stuff is out there. The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved hand was really fine. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=APViUODDhT0 > > You find just the *best* videos, dude. > > I once wrote a story that featured a hawk > named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. > Now I know what it would have looked like > from his point of view. >
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I used to be into falconry back in the 60's and since I just retired, I have nothing but loads of time ,so I'm getting back into it. I'm going to the beach tomorrow to watch the return migration of Peregrines and Merlins. I'll probably trap a few and let them go. They really are cool birds. I'll keep a young one next Fall when they pass through again to train for hunting. There is another You Tube video of a Goshawk flying in a forest with a camera mounted on it's back. It's amazing how they can manuver through a forest at such a high rate of speed. Mike --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: From: Marek Reavis Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:48 AM Mike, you seem to know a lot more about raptors than I. (On second thought, I guess that isn't much of an accomplishment. ) You knew that the hawk in the video wasn't a peregrine, at least. Have you, or do you, have hawks? When I lived in Davis there were a few people I met who hunted with hawks and it was not only fascinating to watch but I envied their relationship with such fine and regal beings. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and > falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis wrote: > > From: Marek Reavis > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM > > > > > > > > > Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They > do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to see > what cool stuff is out there. > > The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved > hand was really fine. > > Marek > > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Marek Reavis" > > wrote: > > > > > > A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes > > > long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=APViUODDhT0 > > > > You find just the *best* videos, dude. > > > > I once wrote a story that featured a hawk > > named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. > > Now I know what it would have looked like > > from his point of view. > > >
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I have *never in my life* run into so many > consistently ethically vacuous, ethically > *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. -Mirror time.
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Judy , Ive seen many of this guy's videos on You Tube, they are good. I just came from the beach today, bird watching. Saw two adult Peregrines a Merlin and a first for me, a Golden Eagle, very rare down here. Thanks for thw web site. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:22 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ ...> wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch > the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. > I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Mike, the falconer in the video has a Web site: http://cemai. mejorforo. net It's in Spanish, unfortunately. But click Videos on the menu underneath the photo for more of his videos. They seem to all be YouTube videos, though, so you've probably seen them. But do take a look at his Galeria (photos) as well. He apparently participates in historical recreations at festivals with his hawks (which seem to be mostly eagles). There's a bunch of close-up shots of him *en costume* holding his gorgeous birds. I sent the flight video to my sister, who's a real hawk nut. She says she thinks it's a golden eagle, but she isn't sure. What do you say?
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I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense raptor. They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening reflexes. They are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding that you find game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion out on you! I tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a kid. It nailed me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition and there wasn't game available. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the > variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't > seen the one you sent before. Meant to add: Have you ever read "The Sword in the Stone," the first volume of "The Once and Future King" by T.H. White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He wrote a book about the experience called "The Goshawk." I just ordered it from Amazon: http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1239412980& sr=8-1 http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow
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The principles remain pretty much the same as they have for thousands of years, but techniques to train the birds and manage them have evolved tremendously since the 60's, when I was a kid.< We still control a bird through it's weight and hunger response to food. But today, if a bird decides to take off or chase another bird out of sight most falconers use telemetry on their birds and can chase them down in a vehicle for miles and eventually retrieve them. Another big change is that it is legal now! No longer limited to royalty! A 2 year apprenticeship is required under a licensed falconer helps to insure the welfare of the birds used.< Another modern feature is, many of the birds used are now bred in captivity by falconers. This helped restore Peregrines from near extinction and repopulate them to pre DDT levels. The Peregrine Fund is currently breeding Aplomado Falcons and releasing them into the wild to restore their numbers in the Southwest. There are currently about 50 breeding pair in South Texas and another 150 captive bred birds will be released this year in West Texas and New Mexico. It really is an exciting time to get back into the sport. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:18 AM Falconry is pretty much the same as it was during the Middle Ages, isn't it? I mean, other than things like the hawk cam in that video, have there been any technological or scientific advances with regard to training hawks? Or is it just long-accumulated experience and expertise? I wonder who first had the idea that a human could train a hawk and actually managed to do it. How far back does falconry go, do you know? --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense raptor. > They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening reflexes. They > are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding that you find > game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion out on you! I > tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a kid. It nailed > me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition and there wasn't > game available. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend wrote: > > From: authfriend > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the > > variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't > > seen the one you sent before. > > Meant to add: Have you ever read "The Sword in the Stone," > the first volume of "The Once and Future King" by T.H. > White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring > an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. > > My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who > tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He > wrote a book about the experience called "The Goshawk." I > just ordered it from Amazon: > > http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ > ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1239412980& sr=8-1 > > http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow >
