Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[Gloria Lane]

That's what I've heard re FIP - the genetic predisposition.

And re the stats on FELV, even if you find it, can you find what it's  
based on?  It's easy to throw stats around without much basis.   
Course I guess I shouldn't complain too loudly, I'd really rather  
they didn't do a research study on FELV cats by intentionally  
infecting a bunch of cats with FELV and then killing them... :(


Gloria


On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:40 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the  
research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the  
usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still  
involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that  
belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come  
out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and  
other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't  
happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has  
current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i  
disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV,  
but that's me.)


as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a  
responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion  
by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate.


(and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted  
figure that "70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV  
virus." but i'm still looking.)




On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the  
same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it  
true.  To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information  
is tossed about.  To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one  
thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification  
procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.
-- 



This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and  
maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the  
most accurate info:


http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=232

FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep  
golden, and clear to slightly cloudy.

From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html
When cats have the "effusive" form of FIP in which abdominal fluid  
accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has  
characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a  
more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for  
FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP  
antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to  
compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very  
suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels  
are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs.  
Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure  
diagnosis of FIP prior to death.
This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the  
most current and factual info on FIP:


http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm
3) Verify FIP through histopathology.  Simply necropsy is not  
enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy  
by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof  
of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of  
tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue.

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Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

[wendy]

Hi Laurie,

Welcome to the group.  I'm sorry to hear that Isabella
is having a lot of trouble with anemia and fevers. 
One of the things we like to suggest for fevers is
ImmunoRegulin.  It helps to bring the fever down, but
we don't really know why.  It's only through
experience with some of our members.  You can get IR
at Revival Animal Health; it's under the generic name
EqStim.

I don't have any suggestions as to why your kitty is
having the fevers, other than the leukemia has 'kicked
in' and is triggering the anemia and fevers.  It's not
uncommon to see this, but at the same time, it's not a
good thing.  That being said, it doesn't mean things
can't be turned around.  A lot depends on what type of
anemia your kitty has and what is causing it.  What is
your kitty's HCT?  What type of anemia did the vet say
it is?  Those two things will determine how to treat
the anemia.  One thing that should also be mentioned
is hemobartanella.  It is a blood parasite that is
very hard to detect on a slide, and is common in FeLV+
kitties with anemia.  This is why many times vets go
ahead and prescribe doxycycline for anemic cats
because that's what's given for hemobart and it won't
hurt kitty if there is no hemobart.  Doxy must be
given for at least three weeks to be effective with
hemobart.

I have seen animals have bad reactions to Revolution. 
I won't use it.  I will use Advantage however.  On
immune compromised cats, I won't use anything.  I have
an 18 year old cat who is hyperthyroid and she did not
get flea meds this year, although she's inside 99.9%
of the time.

Thank goodness Isabella is still eating.  A good diet
and keeping her stress free are the two most important
things you can do for her.  Let us know if you have
anymore questions.
:)
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Re: Ambrose Please add to the CLS :(

[MaryChristine]

blessings, sweet ambrose! GLOW to guide you onward.

On 6/29/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well we lost yet another precious handsome guy.Ambrose went through so
much in his life,he was a hurricane Katrina cat,and was with us since just
after I started volunteering back in November 2005.He was 10 years old
when he first came to us.He loved his Temptation treats and as soon as he
would see me with them that handsome gentle guy would meow at me with the
softest meow.I will miss Ambrose. :(
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Ambrose Please add to the CLS :(

[Sherry DeHaan]

Well we lost yet another precious handsome guy.Ambrose went through so much in 
his life,he was a hurricane Katrina cat,and was with us since just after I 
started volunteering back in November 2005.He was 10 years old when he first 
came to us.He loved his Temptation treats and as soon as he would see me with 
them that handsome gentle guy would meow at me with the softest meow.I will 
miss Ambrose. :(
  Thanks for your support,
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Sherry DeHaan]

Kelley I am so sorry about your sweet Suzie.Hugs to you
  Sherry

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma

[C & J]

Well I haven't taken these kittens in yet, and probably won't.  The mother 
moved them, and the farmer doesn't even know where they are now (and probably 
didn't look very hard).  I think that it might not be the best idea to take 
them anyway, since the mom is half wild and there would be a good chance she 
could abandon the babies.  I am unable to feed them every 2 hours, and I don't 
know anyone that could or would be able to.  The babies may be better off 
taking their chances where they are.

I'm still not really ready to take in more kitties, but my husband wants to.  
The thing is, as soon as you mention you might be interested in adopting, it 
seems everyone has kittens they want to get rid of.  We've been offered kittens 
by about 6 different people.  It is a bit overwhelming the number of unwanted 
kittens, especially at this time of year.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:42 PM
  Subject: Now i've got something of a dilemma


  My husband works with a young guy who lives with his parents on a farm.  
These people have barn cats, who they basically care very little about.  Well 
one of the cats had kittens a couple of days ago, and got cornered by a dog.  
By the looks of how scratched up the dog was, she put up a good fight, but the 
dog ate all but 2 of the kittens.  The farmers don't care about the kittens at 
all, so they may still be in danger from the dog.

  My husband, feeling empty and sad by all that we've been through, and wanting 
to make me happy again, offered to take the mom and babies.

  I seriously don't know what to make of this.  On the one hand, it is far far 
too soon for me take in anymore kitties, especially three of them.  By the 
sounds of it, momma is half wild as she doesn't receive much attention from 
humans.  She is used to being outside on the farm, and I don't know how she 
would handle coming into a strange house all of a sudden.  It is possible she 
might get stressed out and not take care of her little ones?

  I also wanted to test my remaining two cats for FeLV in about 6 weeks, to 
make sure they haven't picked it up.  I didn't want to expose any kittens to 
the virus.  Plus I don't know if this momma is even healthy.  She could have 
the virus herself, or any other number of things.  She will never have been 
vaccinated.  If I was going to get more kitties, I wanted to check out their 
backgrounds a little bit.

  On the other hand, these poor kitties may or may not survive on the farm.  
Nobody cares about them.  Plus, ever since I was 9 years old and watched a 
mother cat give birth and watched the kittens grow, i've wanted to experience 
that again.  I know I could give them a much better life.

  I just know i'm not ready to make this sort of decision.  I've got open 
wounds that will take a long time to heal, and just replacing my 3 lost babies 
so quickly is not the way to heal.  I wasn't even sure I wanted to get more 
cats, and definately wanted to wait quite awhile.  I felt both appalled and 
excited when my husband told me that he had offered to take the kitties in.  
When it hurts so much, sometimes you just want to try filling those empty 
places in your heart.

  I know its difficult to give me any advice on this one, but I just needed to 
tell someone.  You have all been friends to me through the rough times.

  Cassandra


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Re: Anemia Issues

[C & J]

I know exactly what you are going through, as I joined this list in March 
because my Tomi was anemic and tested positive for FeLV.  He received a 
transfusion, and even did well for awhile.  His red blood cells were increasing 
on their own, but then they decreased again.  They went so low, that he 
"crashed" and I thought he would die.  He was too weak to get up, and his 
breathing was rapid.  Suddenly he got better again, and I had another 2 months 
with him (though he never got back to normal range).

I had him on Interferon, Lysine, Transfer Factor, and Mega C Plus.  Whether 
these helped to extend his life, or did nothing, I don't know.

Never give up hope that Monkee can pull through this, as sometimes that is all 
you have, but be prepared and enjoy the time you have with him to the fullest.  
Take lots of pictures and tell him that you love him everyday.  I'm sure he 
will enjoy the extra attention, and if he is able to beat this, you will be 
closer than ever.  

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:14 AM
  Subject: Anemia Issues 


  Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma 
cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had 
helped his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last week, when the 
anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week (& 3 doses of 
the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%.  However, Monkee's White 
Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is 
normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but 
it can't be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in the leg).  His 
Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the 
lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it was the 
cancer.  She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to 
determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and 
Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn't get anyway while so anemic (so 
he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy);  However, 
the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us it's FeLV causing the 
anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try 
another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by 
lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a 
shot in the dark. 

  My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he 
did very well with the first round).  But now that he is actively anemic, there 
was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didn't think 
the chemo would actually help the situation.  We also didn't want to put him 
through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, 
but don't want to admit.that for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, 
toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract 
infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for 
FeLV because I was sure he didn't have it..To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 
2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat 
with lymphosarcoma.  

  Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear 
at all.  I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick (he 
was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now).  Yes, he's 
not "Monkee" as I have known him, but he just doesn't look to me like he's on 
his last leg.  When we questioned her on the "days" prognosis she explained 
that due to the FeLV virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his 
brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he seems okay now, he is dizzy, 
lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get 
worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the 
blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will 
all drop off.  

  We asked what could be done and she said, if you "are not ready yet," she 
recommended the blood transfusion, which will give him about two weeks, and 
then the benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he will start 
suffering the anemia symptoms again because his body is not producing it's own 
RBC.  She also said that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood 
transfusions, and then that is it.  It is fighting a losing battle and that is 
as far as she will take it.

  I was wrecked and my mother was crying too.  I decided to pull myself 
together and still take Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we 
left Dr. Daley's.  It was our first visit and I thought, I am so desperate 
right now, it can't hurt.  A funny story about this visit:

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[C & J]

I'm so sorry you lost Suzie and Lucky Lady.  I know you are going through a 
really tough time right now, and I can definately relate.  I've been wondering 
as well if there's something I am doing wrong, or some kind of virus/disease in 
my house that could contribute to my losing 3 kitties in the space of a month 
and a half, when I had nothing but healthy kitties for 12 years.

It is so tough to pinpoint a cause though, and it may be just a run of bad 
luck.  I always thought cats were hardy, and could expect to live 20 years as 
the norm, but I see now they are alot more fragile than I thought.  It may be 
nothing more than coincidence that they seem to all get sick at the same time.  

The stress of worrying about your babies, and worrying about doing all you can 
to help them tends to wear one down alot.  You are in my thoughts, and 
hopefully things will calm down for you and your babies soon.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:37 AM
  Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge


  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

[laurieskatz]

Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5 weeks ago. She has had a temp 
anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June 26). Her blood work this week 
indicates she has a low white blood count and is also anemic. She has no other 
symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and is still interested in food. 

We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's temp 
was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after 7 days off. The interferon was 
started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was 104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 
8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day her temp was normal). Tuesday, 
June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. She got fluids Tuesday and today 
(Thursday).

We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She was on Clavamox for about a 
week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about 16 days now) when her temp was 
105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and started an anti-inflammatory (metacam, I 
believe) that she will take for 3 days. 

She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for. Impeccable manners. Talks and 
purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyone has suggestions about why the 
temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC, we would be grateful. Thanks!
ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She reacted with fur on end June 
23. 

Laurie

Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[Belinda]

  Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type 
of vet worship costing animals their life.  Just stating a fact ... take 
it or leave it.


PS.  I didn't call any vet a criminal, I said and I quote:

*To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is 
confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is 
in my opinion criminal.*


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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

My point is, IF the fluid WAS removed from my cats' bellies, sent off for the 
more speicalized test that is stated in your email, (which it WAS) and it comes 
back "likely", I would not argue w/ that.

And my vet said that it was FIP (Serenity) or it was not (Caspian).

He has seen enogh cases, also, to make that statement.

Please DO NOT CALL him criminal for telling me so.

YOU do not know him..

Apparently we are flogging a dead horse here.

I am not going to participate in this "type" of conversation again.



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  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:13 PM
  Subject: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge



Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the same 
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.  To many 
cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about.  To say a 
cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the 
proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.
  
--

  This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by 
vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:

  http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=232


FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and 
clear to slightly cloudy.

  From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:

  http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html

When cats have the "effusive" form of FIP in which abdominal fluid 
accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that 
strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a 
polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is 
more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood 
tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive 
of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP 
in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut 
way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.
  This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current 
and factual info on FIP:

  http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm

3) Verify FIP through histopathology.  Simply necropsy is not enough. 
Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained 
pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available 
request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona 
virus in suspect tissue.
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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[MaryChristine]

the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research
showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign
corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the
parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this
relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome
Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline
foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search
will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP.
personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and
FeLV, but that's me.)

as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility
to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that
is NOT accurate.

(and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that
"70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus." but i'm still
looking.)



On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 *
  Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the same
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.*  *To
many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about.
To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed
without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion
criminal.*

--
*
This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by
vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:*

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=232

FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and
clear to slightly cloudy.

*From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:*

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html

When cats have the "effusive" form of FIP in which abdominal fluid
accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that
strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a
polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing
is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive.
Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very
suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very
suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. *Despite all of this,
there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.*

*This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most
current and factual info on FIP:

*http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm

*3) Verify FIP through histopathology*.  Simply necropsy is not enough.
Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained
pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available
request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona
virus in suspect tissue.

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Re: Staff infection treatments

[Gloria Lane]

She's using Naxcel.

Gloria



On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


What antibiotic are they using now for his staph?

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<




- Original Message -
From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: OT: Staff infection treatments


Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a
STAFF INFECTION on his foot.  THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no
luck.  I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments
and found:  Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for
everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil
(cream) , etc etc.

Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff?

Gloria

FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[Belinda]

*
 Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the same 
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.*  *To 
many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed 
about.  To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is 
confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is 
in my opinion criminal.*

--
*
This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by 
vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:*


http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=232

FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, 
and clear to slightly cloudy.

*From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:*

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html
When cats have the "effusive" form of FIP in which abdominal fluid 
accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has 
characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a 
more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, 
on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody 
testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the 
various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP 
infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of 
FIP in the presence of clinical signs. *Despite all of this, there is 
no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.*
*This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most 
current and factual info on FIP:


*http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm
*3) Verify FIP through histopathology*.  Simply necropsy is not 
enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a 
trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. 
Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to 
verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue.

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Re: something is killing my cats, please

[Susan Dubose]

Shadow Cats was started a few years back, by Dr. & Mrs. Roy Smith.

Which is my vet & his wife.

Unfortunately, SCR began due to a very back situation (pseudo sanctuary) that 
came to light, where many cats died or ended up who knows where.

Most of them were felv+ or fiv+.

Hundreds & hundreds, probably thousands of cats involved.

The case is still pending and we are not sure if we will ever see justice.

However, it made lots of people pull together and realize what they could 
accomplish.

If everyone just did SOMETHING to help, no matter how small, it would make such 
a differnce in all charity work.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please


  That's just itnone of us really can be positive about what works 
and what doesn't.  We can say what we have seen work in certain circumstances 
and for certain little friends but that is all.  

  Bless you and all your efforts.  I pulled up the shadowcat link.  That is 
totally great.

  Take care.




   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Sherry DeHaan]

Mary Christine that is so true about cycles in the shelters.We seem to lose 
alot in April and June.Sounds wierd but it was like that last year and this 
year at Sids.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  it actually isn't, unless it 
continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it 
goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious 
candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a 
number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

MC

  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter 
rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause, 
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me 


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out 
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so 
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not 
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer. 
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't 
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats 
>
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Re: something is killing my cats, please

[Marylyn]

That's just itnone of us really can be positive about what works 
and what doesn't.  We can say what we have seen work in certain circumstances 
and for certain little friends but that is all.  

Bless you and all your efforts.  I pulled up the shadowcat link.  That is 
totally great.

Take care.




 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:58 PM
  Subject: something is killing my cats, please


  Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn.

  In my felv+ room, the cats have their "salt rock" lamp, their airpurifier w/ 
ionizer, "soundscapes" music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing 
crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies.

  And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying?

  Their room, which is also my office & library, has windows all along on 3 
sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as 
birdbaths.

  Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where 
they can spy on my other cats & vice versa..


  I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to "always" have 4, make sense?

  And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back.

  She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ 
the non felv cats.

  I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 
days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo & behold, once we 
started testing & spaying & general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+.

  So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon & seizures) for another 2 
months of quarantine.

  I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st.

  What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just 
deal with it.

  It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before 
we had the chance to get them all tested.
  At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix.

  Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ 
Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola & Papillon (AKAS Pappy)..

  She is an adorable tuxie.

  I love tuxedos.

  I have 6.

  What can you say about a cat that is always dressed up in his / her party 
clothes?


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge/ Lucky Lady - Kelley

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 6/28/07 3:53:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well, he  euthanized Lucky Lady at noon
Kelley,
I am so very, very sorry. (And, sincerely too.  I  know I don't always 
say/write things people want to hear/read...)
But, please know, you are in my thoughts & prayers.  With all the  
fur-angels..
Hugs,
(Big Mouth) Patti & her gang


 



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something is killing my cats, please

[Susan Dubose]

Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn.

In my felv+ room, the cats have their "salt rock" lamp, their airpurifier w/ 
ionizer, "soundscapes" music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing 
crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies.

And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying?

Their room, which is also my office & library, has windows all along on 3 sides 
where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as 
birdbaths.

Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where 
they can spy on my other cats & vice versa..


I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to "always" have 4, make sense?

And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back.

She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the 
non felv cats.

I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, 
until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo & behold, once we started 
testing & spaying & general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+.

So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon & seizures) for another 2 
months of quarantine.

I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st.

What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just 
deal with it.

It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before 
we had the chance to get them all tested.
At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix.

Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ 
Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola & Papillon (AKAS Pappy)..

She is an adorable tuxie.

I love tuxedos.

I have 6.

What can you say about a cat that is always dressed up in his / her party 
clothes?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

I am sorry, Kelly.

Dr. Samon is a very good man.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Dr Samon had to put the kitty to sleep he adopted from me, Susan, just today. 
 He doesn't know what was wrong with her.  He sent a piece of her liver for 
testing.  I feel awful for him.  


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Re: Staff infection treatments

[Susan Dubose]

What antibiotic are they using now for his staph?

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: OT: Staff infection treatments


Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a  
STAFF INFECTION on his foot.  THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no  
luck.  I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments  
and found:  Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for  
everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil  
(cream) , etc etc.

Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff?

Gloria

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

I had two cats that were confirmed yes or no this way.

One was a kitten that lost all of his fur, and his belly swelled to HUGE 
proportions..

He was sooo ugly, he only had fur around his neck & on his head.

"Caspian" had fluid removed from his belly that tested neg. as FIP.

Finally, after many tests, my vet said he was out of ideas, just take him home 
and love him, either he will recover, grow out of itor he won't.

He did.

Now he is big beautiful Main Coon, and healthy as a horse.

W/ Serenity, my felv+ cat, same thing, fluid pulled from the belly, tests 
confirm FIP.

I also understand that the FIP fluid will be a "bright" yellow in color.

And when I was working @ the Humane Society, we opened up a kitten for her 
spay, and she was "full" of FIP fluid.

She had been acting fine, however, we did not wake her up.

Her organs inside were already damaged.




Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets will 
assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is FIP is with a 
necropsy.

  I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation out 
there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people always joining 
the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect information.  There 
are enough things in this world to get freaked out about without adding false 
ones.

  When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and 
with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but 
that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.


Unless it is the "wet" form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's 
stomach and tested.


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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

I understand the "ebb & flow" of the situation.

I worked @ the Austin Humane Society for 4 yrs. as a clinic nurse and also 
worked in animal intake.

I was also the foster care coordinator.

When I would go to TLAC (our area A/C ) and "walk dispo", I always made sure I 
pulled a "project kitty" for myself to work w/, help, and they usually were 
pretty "jacked up"..., to say the least.

I didn't lose that many, however, many had chronic problems hence became 
permanent residence of 
Chez Mew

Sometimes, w/ older animals, I believe they just get so depressed from being 
DUMPED by their loving families, that they just "shut down", lose their will to 
live.

Since Kelly is dealing w/ older cats, this could be part of the problem.

Plus perhaps a rash of very bad luck.

It happens.

I have been pulling form shelters for 7 yrs, now, her number of lost cats seems 
high, but you are correct to say it can come & go  :(

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers 
of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing 
any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, 
and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

  plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

  yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

  MC



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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

It is not common, but it *can" happen.

I just called Dr. Smith and asked him.

But you are probably asking the other Susan on the list, correct?

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any 
kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship 
between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty?
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in 
this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her.  I don't know anything 
about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover.  But if he felt she 
had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. 

Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know 
what was/is wrong with her.  Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. 
 But for now she is doing ok.

 
On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- 
I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat 
was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is so 
difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's 
something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too quick to  call it 
FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). 


  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.  

He was in surgery when I called.

I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.  

 
On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would 
also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if 
Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual 
FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Hoffman 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

 
You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their 
lives).  There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is 
to do a necropsy.

Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like 
other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this 
morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. 

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Dr Samon had to put the kitty to sleep he adopted from me, Susan, just
today.  He doesn't know what was wrong with her.  He sent a piece of her
liver for testing.  I feel awful for him.

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 And poor Dr. Smith is very ill right now, on lots of meds.

I called him earlier and his meds are affecting his speech.

Dr. Samon is a very capable vet, very knowledgeable and he worked for Dr.
Smith for 8 yrs. as his orthopedic surgeon & geriatric canine specialist.

He is also very cat savvy.

I would trust him w/ one of my cats, which speaks volumes.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com 
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


Yes, I do use Dr. Samon.  I was going to ask him to do a phone consult
with Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is
too late.

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that
> happened.
>
> Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon?
>
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com 
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
>  Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing
> to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or
> something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie
> staying over night?  I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in
> coma though, right?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
> They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I
> will ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and
> purring yesterday...
>
> On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally
> > it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality
> > in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of
> > FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her
> > to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work,
> > liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it
> > was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at
> > all to cause coma by any chance?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
> >
> >
> >  Belinda,
> >
> > I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200
> > on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked
> > and quite frankly do not want to know.
> >
> > I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick
> > and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat
> > the sick one.
> >
> > She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.
> > I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.
> >
> > (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than
> > generous...I am just venting..)
> >
> >
> > On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Kelley.
> > >I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
> > > longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP
> > > diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
> > > especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of
> > > charge
> > > or for a discount to see

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me/environment

[janine paton]

I'm loosing a few too many right now also but for the
most part, they have been diagnosed with something not
terribly surprising, given their circumstances.  But
similar, vague symptoms, I think, is another story.  

One of our larger foster homes had a fire.  For a few
years after, cats would suddenly come down with the
same symptoms, with no explainations - weight loss,
dehydration, great blood work.  There are a lot of
toxins in an older house on fire. 

Another story - a friend's cat, lethargic, anorexic,
suddenly eating weird things.  Big time hospital in
NYC, couldn't come up with anything.  Moved cat out of
house when mold was found from leak in wall or
basement.  Cat immediately got better. 

It is worth checking out your environment, I'm sorry
to say.  Good luck, big hugs, take a deep breath.  

Janine

--- MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half
> weeks ago, and lexie on
> sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile,
> and it was just their
> time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of
> course not.
> 
> right now, for the first time in a very long time, i
> have no sick cats i
> do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults,
> and a number who are 13
> and older.
> 
> MC
> 
> On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious
> candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with
> > cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged
> kidneys from having been
> > starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was
> more than 18 years old.
> > So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and
> have a house full of cats
> > who came from rough circumstances.
> >
> > *MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who
> works with large
> > numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in
> cycles--you can go months
> > without losing any but the obvious candidates,
> then suddenly seem to hit a
> > patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number.
> it's how it balances out that
> > matters.
> >
> > plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public
> shelter, in a part of
> > the country that has extremes in temperature,
> amounts of moisture, and no
> > real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until
> cats start coming into these
> > shelters with a full copy of both their genetic
> profiles and their medical
> > histories, it's impossible to know what
> predispositions they are bringing
> > with them, and what hidden conditions.
> >
> > yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with
> a population of 600+
> > cats.
> >
> > MC
> >
> > On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a
> short timeframe is not a
> > >
> > > normal rate of death.
> > >
> > > It is exceesively high.
> > >
> > > Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> > > www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> 
> > > www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> 
> > > www.shadowcats.net
> > >   "As Cleopatra
> lay in state,
> > >Faithful Bast
> at her side did wait,
> > >Purring
> welcomes of soft applause,
> > >Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
> > > 
> Trajan Tennent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats,
> please help me
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Kelley,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know
> what to
> > > tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing
> the
> > > deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I
> am
> > > wondering since you do shelter work if four cats
> out
> > > of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given
> the
> > > circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely
> to be
> > > found when rescued with already compromised
> immune
> > > systems).  I don't know much about shelter work,
> so
> > > others with experience will hopefully help you.
> > >
> > > Please keep us posted.
> > > :)
> > > Wendy
> > >
> > > --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is the toll so far from this year, not
> > > > including kittens.
> > > >
> > > > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated
> for
> > > > AIHA.
> > > >
> > > > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my
> vet,
> > > > apparently recovered but
> > > > is now dying, they think cancer.
> > > >
> > > > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. 
> No
> > > > one knows what was or is
> > > > wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
> better),
> > > > brain cancer, toxo.
> > > >
> > > > Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and
> don't
> > > > know how I am going to
> > > > pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> > > >
> > 

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

And poor Dr. Smith is very ill right now, on lots of meds.

I called him earlier and his meds are affecting his speech.

Dr. Samon is a very capable vet, very knowledgeable and he worked for Dr. Smith 
for 8 yrs. as his orthopedic surgeon & geriatric canine specialist.

He is also very cat savvy.

I would trust him w/ one of my cats, which speaks volumes.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Yes, I do use Dr. Samon.  I was going to ask him to do a phone consult with 
Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is too late.


  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that 
happened.

Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon?

 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws." 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to 
say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to 
Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over 
night?  I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, 
right? 
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

 
They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I 
will ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring 
yesterday...


On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally 
it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in 
her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, 
but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in 
such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver 
values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not 
like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause 
coma by any chance? 
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

 
Belinda,

I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe 
$200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked 
and quite frankly do not want to know.

I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets 
sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat 
the sick one.

She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come 
out.  I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

(And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than 
generous...I am just venting..)

 
On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
   Kelley.
 I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
  longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the 
FIP 
  diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
  especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of 
charge
  or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would 
think he 
  would be curious.

  No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
  accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

  --

  Belinda
  happiness 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

I have an idea.

I pull from the same city facility as Kelly does.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  You have to look at percentages.  4 out of how many?

  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to
tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it. Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[cindy reasoner]

Kelley,

I am so sorry for your losses.  This is so terrible. 
You are in my prayers.

Cindy Reasoner

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a
> sample of her liver off
> for testing.  So she's gone too...
> 
> On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is
> wrong, he may be positive
> > and with high titers for the corona viruses that
> are suspected to cause FIP
> > but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.
> >
> >  *THANK YOU, BELINDA*
> > *MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!*
> > (And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that
> my Puma does *not* have
> > FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high
> titers for corona.
> > He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it
> *mildly* ] high kill
> > shelter  And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even
> stand a chance!!!  He was
> > *immediately* put on "Death Row" - *only because
> of his seniority!*
> > G.  I'm just so happy I had "connections"
> with the rescue
> > community! [Just wish I still could be able to
> "save" more like my boy.
> > I have nightmares about all the poor babies that
> face that horrific
> > dilemma..]
> > The toxo diagnosis I do believe.  And, he
> recovered 101%.  But when I
> > "questioned" my vet on the FIP, well, let's just
> say, deep down, he *knew*I was right about the only
> accurate diagnosis
> > *is thru necropsy*
> > Oh, and MC, I am with you...
> > So *[too]* much misinformation floating
> around And, I too am at *that
> > point* - Seems like people want to believe all
> that
> > garbage. (At a point, even me
> Having had an FIP epidemic
> > w/ my fosters! )
> > Much thanks & hugs,
> > Patti & her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA  A
> "MIRACULOUS RECOVERY" *Wasn't *
> > aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very,
> very senior boy!!!  Now
> > I can stop kicking myself in a$$*}*
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> > See what's free at AOL.com
> .
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Caroline!
> 
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> 
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Re: OT: Staff infection treatments

[MaryChristine]

not offhand, gloria, but i think a lot of it has to do with what strain of
staph--that's the one that is rapidly developing resistance to EVERY
antibiotic in humans, and i expect it's the same thing in critters.

On 6/28/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a
STAFF INFECTION on his foot.  THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no
luck.  I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments
and found:  Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for
everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil
(cream) , etc etc.

Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff?

Gloria






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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

He said they redid her blood work 3x and it came back different each time.

Also told me Suzie's belly was full of fluid this morning, but it didnt'
look like FIP fluid.  It may have been some sort of organ failure.


On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a sample of her liver off
for testing.  So she's gone too...

On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be
> positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to
> cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.
>
>  *THANK YOU, BELINDA*
> *MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!*
> (And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that my Puma does *not* have
> FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high titers for
> corona.  He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it *mildly* ]
> high kill shelter  And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!!
> He was *immediately* put on "Death Row" - *only because of his
> seniority! *  G.  I'm just so happy I had "connections" with
> the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be able to "save" more
> like my boy.  I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that
> horrific dilemma..]
> The toxo diagnosis I do believe.  And, he recovered 101%.  But when I
> "questioned" my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he *
> knew* I was right about the only accurate diagnosis *is thru
> necropsy*
> Oh, and MC, I am with you...
> So *[too]* much misinformation floating around And, I too am at
> *that point* - Seems like people want to believe all that
> garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic
> w/ my fosters! )
> Much thanks & hugs,
> Patti & her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA  A "MIRACULOUS RECOVERY" *Wasn't *
> aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!!
> Now I can stop kicking myself in a$$ *}*
>
>
>
>  --
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
>



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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a sample of her liver off
for testing.  So she's gone too...

On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive
and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP
but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.

 *THANK YOU, BELINDA*
*MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!*
(And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that my Puma does *not* have
FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high titers for corona.
He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it *mildly* ] high kill
shelter  And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!!  He was
*immediately* put on "Death Row" - *only because of his seniority!*
G.  I'm just so happy I had "connections" with the rescue
community! [Just wish I still could be able to "save" more like my boy.
I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that horrific
dilemma..]
The toxo diagnosis I do believe.  And, he recovered 101%.  But when I
"questioned" my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he *knew*I was 
right about the only accurate diagnosis
*is thru necropsy*
Oh, and MC, I am with you...
So *[too]* much misinformation floating around And, I too am at *that
point* - Seems like people want to believe all that
garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic
w/ my fosters! )
Much thanks & hugs,
Patti & her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA  A "MIRACULOUS RECOVERY" *Wasn't *
aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!!  Now
I can stop kicking myself in a$$*}*



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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

[cindy reasoner]

Cassandra,

I am so sorry that you lost your precious Tomi and
Koda and Kisa.  I can't imagine how hard this has been
for you.

Cindy Reasoner

--- C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've just lost my closest friend other than my
> husband.  Tomi and I have had a special bond ever
> since my husband brought him home.  My husband was
> out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004,
> on a cold and rainy day.  There was a kitten crying
> in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't
> just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first,
> since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me
> over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever
> since.
> 
> He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there
> was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how
> my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. 
> His tail had been broken at the end at one time too,
> it sort of looked like a question mark when it was
> straight up.  Tomi quickly came around though and
> trusted us, though he still always hid when any
> strangers came to the house.
> 
> Tomi was the type of loving boy that always
> acknowledged your presence when you touched him or
> talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes.  He
> never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him
> too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry.
> 
> 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and
> had FeLV, I was devastated.  I watched him slowly
> decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I
> was sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back
> and gave me another good 8 weeks with him.  Except
> during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa
> (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't
> get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would
> have liked.
> 
> Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12,
> Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia.  He
> was having a hard time breathing, and again he
> bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite,
> eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of
> water.  Yesterday, he started to crash again.
> 
> Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave
> him and still drinking, but his breathing was
> becoming more labored.  Then around noon, he began
> panting, and I watched him die in a way that will
> haunt me forever.  He was so scared and crying
> because he couldn't catch his breath.  This is
> absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced.  
> 
> A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.
>  I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for
> awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to
> numbness.
> 
> Thank you all for the support you've given me
> through all of this.  It looks like this ordeal that
> has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over.
> 
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[PEC2851]

 
In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When a  vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive 
and with  high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP 
but 
that  doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.




THANK YOU, BELINDA
MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!
(And, I strongly believe w/ all my heart, that my Puma  does not have 
FIP. ) Also, I believe he  does have high titers for corona.  He!!, 
I 
rescued him  from a nasty [putting it mildly ] high kill shelter  And, the  
poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!!  He was  immediately put on "Death 
Row" - only because of  his seniority!  G.  I'm just so happy I 
had  "connections" with the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be 
able to  "save" more like my boy.  I have nightmares about all the poor babies 
that  face that horrific dilemma..]
The toxo diagnosis I do believe.  And, he recovered 101%.  But  when I 
"questioned" my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he  knew I was 
right about the only accurate diagnosis is  thru necropsy
Oh, and MC, I am with you...
So [too] much misinformation floating around And,  I too am at that 
point - Seems like people want to  believe all that garbage. 
(At a point, even me Having had an  FIP epidemic w/ my fosters! )
Much thanks & hugs,
Patti & her gang [INCLUDING PUMA  A "MIRACULOUS  RECOVERY" Wasn't aware 
that FIP could last this long - on a  very, very senior boy!!!  Now I can stop 
kicking myself in  a$$}




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OT: Staff infection treatments

[Gloria Lane]

Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a  
STAFF INFECTION on his foot.  THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no  
luck.  I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments  
and found:  Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for  
everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil  
(cream) , etc etc.


Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff?

Gloria

Re: IR-sub Q???

[cindy reasoner]

Dede, I gave Smokey's IR subq.  I know it says IV but
so far the subq has worked with Smokey.  Equistim is
what I always got from my vet.  I'm glad Wendy was
able to give you the dosage because I gave Smokey the
last shot I had in May and haven't gone to get anymore
yet.  I looked at the old syringe last night and his
dosage was around .25 ml.  He weighs around 8 lbs. 
There is no way I could do IV with Smokey either.  I
hope this works for Ki.
  
Cindy Reasoner

--- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wendy, one other thing, my vet said the IR has to be
> given IV.  I heard on the list that youcan do it sub
> Q.  I canNOT do IV.  Vet said she had never seen IR
> work, but like everything else, it depends on the
> cat
> and the circumstances.
> 
> Spud, my FIV had an HCT of 12 in Feb.  Treated for
> toxo, gave linotinic, prednisolone (for severe
> stomatitis) and niacinamide.  His HCT is 22 now. 
> Not
> perfect, but doable.  He eats like a pig now.
> 
> BTW, m also giving Ki B 12 injections.  Can't hurt.
> 
> Dede 
> 
> 
> 
> --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thank goodness for that!  I hope that the IR
> breaks
> > those fevers.  I have a good feeling, after
> > witnessing
> > Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very
> > touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too!
> > 
> > :)
> > Wendy
> > 
> > --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and
> > down,
> > > but not down enough.  The IR should be here
> > > tomorrow,
> > > and so should the blood test results.  He is
> still
> > > not
> > > eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. 
> > > Between
> > > that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She
> > > also
> > > put him on linotinic.
> > > 
> > > I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a
> > > fan. 
> > > Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem
> any
> > > worse, infact, he is moving around more.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
> > > > generic
> > > > for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I
> > > believe.
> > > > 
> > > > I think you have to get Epogen through your
> vet,
> > > but
> > > > not sure on that.  It goes under several names
> > > > (Procrit, etc.) 
> > > > 
> > > > :)
> > > > Wendy
> > > > 
> > > > --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Just got back from the vet.  She put him on
> > > Delta
> > > > > Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
> > > > > prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His
> > gums
> > > > are
> > > > > OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How
> > much
> > > > do
> > > > > you use at a time?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Where do you get epogen and how much is it? 
> > Vet
> > > > > didn't know about it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > She is not optimistic, of course, but is
> doing
> > > her
> > > > > best, I believe.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dede and Ki
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> > > > beings,
> > > > > you are only in the service of your God"
> > > > >Mosiah 2:17
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> > > > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> > > > committed citizens can change the world -
> indeed
> > > it
> > > > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~
> > Margaret
> > > > Meade ~~~
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope!
> -
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> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> > beings,
> > > you are only in the service of your God"
> > >Mosiah 2:17
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> > committed citizens can change the world - indeed
> it
> > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> > Meade ~~~
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[MaryChristine]

thanks, belinda.

i get tired, sometimes, of responding to every bit of misinformation, and
i'd passed my quota for that day.

MC

On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets
will assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is FIP is
with a necropsy.

I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation
out there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people always
joining the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect
information.  There are enough things in this world to get freaked out about
without adding false ones.

When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive
and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP
but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.

Unless it is the "wet" form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's
stomach and tested.


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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Belinda]

This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets 
will assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is 
FIP is with a necropsy.


I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation 
out there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people 
always joining the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect 
information.  There are enough things in this world to get freaked out 
about without adding false ones.


When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be 
positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected 
to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP.


Unless it is the "wet" form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's 
stomach and tested.


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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half weeks ago, and lexie on
sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile, and it was just their
time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of course not.

right now, for the first time in a very long time, i have no sick cats i
do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults, and a number who are 13
and older.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with
cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been
starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old.
So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats
who came from rough circumstances.

*MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large
numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months
without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a
patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that
matters.

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of
the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no
real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing
with them, and what hidden conditions.

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+
cats.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a
>
> normal rate of death.
>
> It is exceesively high.
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com 
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
> www.shadowcats.net
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>Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> Hi Kelley,
>
> I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
> tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
> deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
> wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
> of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
> circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
> found when rescued with already compromised immune
> systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
> others with experience will hopefully help you.
>
> Please keep us posted.
> :)
> Wendy
>
> --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is the toll so far from this year, not
> > including kittens.
> >
> > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> > AIHA.
> >
> > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> > apparently recovered but
> > is now dying, they think cancer.
> >
> > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> > one knows what was or is
> > wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> > brain cancer, toxo.
> >
> > Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> > know how I am going to
> > pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> >
> > They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> > dehydration (skin
> > tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> >
> > Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> >
> > All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> >
> > Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> > and leadsomeone please
> > help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
> >
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Re: IR-sub Q???

[dede hicken]

Wendy, one other thing, my vet said the IR has to be
given IV.  I heard on the list that youcan do it sub
Q.  I canNOT do IV.  Vet said she had never seen IR
work, but like everything else, it depends on the cat
and the circumstances.

Spud, my FIV had an HCT of 12 in Feb.  Treated for
toxo, gave linotinic, prednisolone (for severe
stomatitis) and niacinamide.  His HCT is 22 now.  Not
perfect, but doable.  He eats like a pig now.

BTW, m also giving Ki B 12 injections.  Can't hurt.

Dede 



--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank goodness for that!  I hope that the IR breaks
> those fevers.  I have a good feeling, after
> witnessing
> Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very
> touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too!
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
> --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and
> down,
> > but not down enough.  The IR should be here
> > tomorrow,
> > and so should the blood test results.  He is still
> > not
> > eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. 
> > Between
> > that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She
> > also
> > put him on linotinic.
> > 
> > I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a
> > fan. 
> > Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
> > worse, infact, he is moving around more.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
> > > generic
> > > for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I
> > believe.
> > > 
> > > I think you have to get Epogen through your vet,
> > but
> > > not sure on that.  It goes under several names
> > > (Procrit, etc.) 
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > Wendy
> > > 
> > > --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just got back from the vet.  She put him on
> > Delta
> > > > Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
> > > > prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
> > > > 
> > > > Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His
> gums
> > > are
> > > > OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
> > > > 
> > > > I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How
> much
> > > do
> > > > you use at a time?
> > > > 
> > > > Where do you get epogen and how much is it? 
> Vet
> > > > didn't know about it.
> > > > 
> > > > She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing
> > her
> > > > best, I believe.
> > > > 
> > > > Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
> > > > 
> > > > Dede and Ki
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> > > beings,
> > > > you are only in the service of your God"
> > > >Mosiah 2:17
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> > > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> > > committed citizens can change the world - indeed
> > it
> > > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~
> Margaret
> > > Meade ~~~
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -
> > > their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at
> > Yahoo!
> > > Games.
> > > http://sims.yahoo.com/  
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> beings,
> > you are only in the service of your God"
> >Mosiah 2:17
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
>

> > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel
> answers
> > from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it
> > out.
> >
>
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with 
cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been 
starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old.  So 
4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats who 
came from rough circumstances.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  it actually isn't, unless it 
continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it 
goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious 
candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a 
number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

MC

  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter 
rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
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- Original Message -
From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me 


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out 
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so 
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not 
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer. 
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't 
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats 
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline 
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
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Re: need advice quick

[wendy]

Thank goodness for that!  I hope that the IR breaks
those fevers.  I have a good feeling, after witnessing
Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very
touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too!

:)
Wendy

--- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down,
> but not down enough.  The IR should be here
> tomorrow,
> and so should the blood test results.  He is still
> not
> eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. 
> Between
> that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She
> also
> put him on linotinic.
> 
> I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a
> fan. 
> Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
> worse, infact, he is moving around more.
> 
> 
> 
> --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
> > generic
> > for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I
> believe.
> > 
> > I think you have to get Epogen through your vet,
> but
> > not sure on that.  It goes under several names
> > (Procrit, etc.) 
> > 
> > :)
> > Wendy
> > 
> > --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Just got back from the vet.  She put him on
> Delta
> > > Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
> > > prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
> > > 
> > > Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums
> > are
> > > OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
> > > 
> > > I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much
> > do
> > > you use at a time?
> > > 
> > > Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
> > > didn't know about it.
> > > 
> > > She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing
> her
> > > best, I believe.
> > > 
> > > Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
> > > 
> > > Dede and Ki
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> > beings,
> > > you are only in the service of your God"
> > >Mosiah 2:17
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

> > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> > >
> >
>
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> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> > committed citizens can change the world - indeed
> it
> > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> > Meade ~~~
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
>

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> > 
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> 
> 
> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings,
> you are only in the service of your God"
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> 
> 
>
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Re: need advice quick

[dede hicken]

Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down,
but not down enough.  The IR should be here tomorrow,
and so should the blood test results.  He is still not
eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake.  Between
that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She also
put him on linotinic.

I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. 
Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
worse, infact, he is moving around more.



--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
> generic
> for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe.
> 
> I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but
> not sure on that.  It goes under several names
> (Procrit, etc.) 
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
> --- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Just got back from the vet.  She put him on Delta
> > Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
> > prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
> > 
> > Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums
> are
> > OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
> > 
> > I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much
> do
> > you use at a time?
> > 
> > Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
> > didn't know about it.
> > 
> > She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her
> > best, I believe.
> > 
> > Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
> > 
> > Dede and Ki
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > "When you are in the service of your fellow
> beings,
> > you are only in the service of your God"
> >Mosiah 2:17
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
>

> > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> >
>
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
>
>

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To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues

[wendy]

P.S. Chemo can cause anemia.  I don't know if I
mentioned this or not.

:)
Wendy

--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV
pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet
yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped
his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last
week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell
count was 13%.  After a week (& 3 doses of the
Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. 
However, Monkee’s White Blood Cell count is normal (it
was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is
normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his
groin that is enlarged (but it can’t be felt from the
outside- it runs along the artery in the leg).  His
Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem,
or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed,
she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. 
She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow
aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the
cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee
would need sedation- which he couldn’t get anyway
while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st,
just to be able to do the biospy);  However, the
biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us
it’s FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion
to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try
another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is
being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said
previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the
dark. 

My mother and I did not want to put this cat through
chemo again (although he did very well with the first
round).  But now that he is actively anemic, there was
no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr.
Daley really didn’t think the chemo would actually
help the situation.  We also didn’t want to put him
through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell
us what we already know, but don’t want to admit…that
for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest,
toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered
from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I
wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV
because I was sure he didn’t have it….To now, out of
nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from
that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with
lymphosarcoma.  

Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and I
were not prepared to hear at all.  I mean, he is
eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick
(he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is
helping him now).  Yes, he’s not “Monkee” as I have
known him, but he just doesn’t look to me like he’s on
his last leg.  When we questioned her on the “days”
prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV virus,
and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his
brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he
seems okay now, he is dizzy, lightheaded, probably
having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get
worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which
carry oxygen in the blood, and eventually, his
eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will
all drop off.  

We asked what could be done and she said, if you “are
not ready yet,” she recommended the blood transfusion,
which will give him about two weeks, and then the
benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he
will start suffering the anemia symptoms again because
his body is not producing it’s own RBC.  She also said
that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood
transfusions, and then that is it.  It is fighting a
losing battle and that is as far as she will take it.

I was wrecked and my mother was crying too.  I decided
to pull myself together and still take Monkee to the
Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we left Dr.
Daley’s.  It was our first visit and I thought, I am
so desperate right now, it can’t hurt.  A funny story
about this visit: Monkee totally perked up as soon as
we left Dr. Daley’s (he hates it there!).  Dr. Maier
has a few black and white “clinic cats” that roam
around and as soon as we walked in, Monkee, in his
carrier, freaked out (he hates other cats—which is
probably why he ended up with FeLV to begin with!).  I
was carrying his carrier on my shoulder to an exam
room and I instantly felt the carrier get completely
light- there was no longer 13 lbs of weight on my
shoulder!  I didn’t understand what happened, but I
turned around and all I saw was black and white x 3
(Monkee is black and white), and I just grabbed the
first black and white form that was closest to me, and
thank god, it was Monkee!  He had opened the front
flap of his pet carrier—widened the zipper I guess
with his paw and then his face, and jumped out…in an
effort to “get” the clinic cats that were following us
to the exam room!  I grabbed him just in time because
he was already facing off against them ready to
attack, and because he has FeLV, it scared me to
death!  But that is not the behavior of a cat on his

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

absolutely, susan!



On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Smudging isn't new age.  It's very old, a Native American ritual. I
ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging
the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion.  View the cats through
the smoke and smudge them too.  (And I love the smell.)

*Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

You aren't nuts.  I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you
described).  It is common in Native American cultures and even some
Christian religions (using incense at  funerals etc).  It is definitely
worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a
wonderful odor.

They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green
attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors
would give this information.

If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may
make you feel better.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
*Subject:* RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

*"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Tamara --

This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I
am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the
job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!

Diane R.

 --
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

 Kelly,

Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.

I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are
your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or
later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch:
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".

Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run
of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects &
contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager
and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager
who stalked around *screaming* at people like a skitzoid-harpie.

Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation,
to which I remember thinkin' "ok, *SHE'S nuts*!")  Once she moved the sage
to the door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door
frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five
minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area
outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining
it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door
frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not
remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all
started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her
"cleansing" of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie
NEVER stepped foot into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the
unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."

Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time,
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.

God Bless, Good luck,
T


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
> but is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or
> is wrong.  Po

Re: need advice quick

[wendy]

IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The generic
for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe. 
I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but
not sure on that.  It goes under several names
(Procrit, etc.) 

:)
Wendy

--- dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just got back from the vet.  She put him on Delta
> Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
> prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
> 
> Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums are
> OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
> 
> I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much do
> you use at a time?
> 
> Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
> didn't know about it.
> 
> She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her
> best, I believe.
> 
> Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
> 
> Dede and Ki
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings,
> you are only in the service of your God"
>Mosiah 2:17
> 
> 
>  
>

> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[PEC2851]

Dear Kelley,
I'm sitting here in tears, my heart is breaking for you -
 
And, I "tried" to respond to your other post (THREE  TIMES!!!) but we had a 
severe "heat-induced" storm, and  every time I was just about ready to send it, 
THE POWER WENT  OFF!!
 
I was so very concerned about your losses and the whole FIP [and toxo]  
thing..
My dear, sweet, ancient Puma was diagnosed with  BOTH  And, thru BW 
only
And, I am "old school" & must agree w/ the other replys about FIP only  can 
be confirmed w/ a necropsy.
(And, trust me, I know only too well.  I won't get  into ALL details now 
[inappropriate], but I did lose two of my own [while  fostering MANY - and my 
guys 
were NEVER w/ the fosters]
And, my Oden, only 3, did pass due to FIP - confirmed thru necropsy.(After  
Magpie's [foster kitten] passing..)
And, yes, it was a [foster] kitten [just 3 months  old] who died first. [FIP 
- confirmed also thru  necropsy. Actually, the first necropsy. Shelter 
director  insisted.]
Glad, sort of, that she did.  But, that's when I had an FIP  epidemic in 
my house..
So, I had all fosters tested, BW only, but  NOT my own babies.  I figured, 
"What's the sense?   They were never exposed, in the same area, separate 
dishes, 
etc. to Magpie or  any of my other fosters."
Now, w/ Puma, I'm kicking myself in a$$!
Suggestion -  Is there any shelters close that would do a  necropsy?  Reason 
I ask is because our shelter always did  any kind of veterinary services, no 
questions asked.  And, w/ your history,  I really can't see a problem.
Again, I would attempt to reply to your other post, but, I'm  crying my yes 
out, and being "visually impaired", that's a real  problem.
Please know, you are in my prayers
Much love & hugs,
Patti & her gang




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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[wendy]

Hi Kelley,

I am so sorry to hear about sweet Suzie.  Did they
call you before they euthanized her?  You've got a lot
going on right now and sound pretty stressed.  Please
take care of yourself.  

:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but
> didn't like other cats
> much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon
> euthanized her this morning.  I
> wish I had been there, but they said she was
> comatose..
> 
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> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Caroline!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
> 
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers
of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without
losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of
whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters.

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing
with them, and what hidden conditions.

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+
cats.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

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- Original Message -
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

I don't know anything about coma..I am going to look for info now...she was
better yesterdaymuch improved...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have
any kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any
relationship between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came
in this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her.  I don't know
anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover.  But if he
felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her.

Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know
what was/is wrong with her.  Of course if it is brain cancer she won't
recover.  But for now she is doing ok.


On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP --
> I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the
> cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is
> so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to
> assume it's something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too
> quick to  call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real
> cause(s).
>
> *Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.
>
> He was in surgery when I called.
>
> I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.
>
>
> On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would
> > also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me,
> > if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with
> > actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me..
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
> >
> >
> > You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their
> > lives).  There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP
> > is to do a necropsy.
> >
> > *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other
> > cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this
> > morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..
> >
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any 
kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship 
between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in 
this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her.  I don't know anything 
about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover.  But if he felt she 
had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. 

  Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know 
what was/is wrong with her.  Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. 
 But for now she is doing ok.

   
  On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I 
have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was 
treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is so 
difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's 
something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too quick to  call it 
FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). 


Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.  

  He was in surgery when I called.

  I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.  

   
  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would 
also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if 
Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual 
FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their 
lives).  There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is 
to do a necropsy.

  Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like 
other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this 
morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. 

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Re: Pictures and a question

[wendy]

No, she is not FeLV+, thank goodness.

:)
Wendy

--- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Was she Felv positive. I had a cat who had the
> surgery. It is not very
> invasive. I just woorry about his FELV status and
> how this would affect his
> health. He is back on the glaucoma drops but they do
> not cure the problem
> and he hates the drops.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sally
> 
> 
> On 6/27/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sally,
> >
> > I don't have any experience with the actual eye
> > removal surgery, but we adopted Smookie while she
> > still had her stitches.  She was a kitten, about 4
> > months old, when she had the surgery.  She was
> fine
> > when we brought her home, but we did have to fight
> a
> > corneal ulcer in her remaining eye, which was
> scary
> > since that's why she lost her other eye.  The
> lysine
> > was the only thing that helped to get rid of it. 
> She
> > was healthy otherwise.  She doesn't even know she
> only
> > has one eye!
> >
> > :)
> > Wendy
> >
> > --- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am
> > > dealing with my fiance's
> > > illness and hospital doctor visits. Human
> medicine
> > > can be quite frustrating
> > > dealing with insurance companies and doctors
> that
> > > are booked months in
> > > advance.
> > >
> > > Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable
> at
> > > least, I am happy for
> > > that. I always want him normal, but his ears
> with
> > > their hemaetomas, and the
> > > eye with glaucoma tell me a different story.
> Plus
> > > his lymph nodes behind his
> > > ears stay a bit swollen. He get several
> supplements
> > > and salmon oil which I
> > > am hoping will eleminate his need for the
> matacam. I
> > > will know in a day or
> > > two, because he is now out of metacam, He really
> > > needs to have his eye
> > > removed, but I don't know about rocking his boat
> > > with the stress of surgery.
> > > Anyone have experience with this issue?
> > >
> > > I am so sorry to hear about all the recent
> losses.
> > > It is a reminder that the
> > > time with our precious babies is fleeting and a
> > > gift.
> > >
> > > The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up
> for
> > > me. He is upset because I
> > > have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to
> > > visit and post pictures of
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> > > stories are welcome as well.
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> > >
> > > Sally
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in
this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her.  I don't know
anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover.  But if he
felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her.

Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know
what was/is wrong with her.  Of course if it is brain cancer she won't
recover.  But for now she is doing ok.


On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I
have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat
was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is so
difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume
it's something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too quick to
call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s).

*Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.

He was in surgery when I called.

I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.


On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would
> also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me,
> if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with
> actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me..
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
> You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their
> lives).  There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP
> is to do a necropsy.
>
> *Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other
> cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this
> morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Hoffman]

I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have 
a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was 
treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is so 
difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's 
something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too quick to  call it 
FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s).

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I have not seen it yet, I can get 
them to fax it.  
   
  He was in surgery when I called.
  
I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.  

 
  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What was the 
actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would also ask maybe Susan to 
take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind 
looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. 
the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
  
 
  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).  
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a 
necropsy.

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   She was a sweet girl who liked to 
sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr 
Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she 
was comatose.. 

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, I do use Dr. Samon.  I was going to ask him to do a phone consult with
Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is too
late.

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that
happened.

Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon?


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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
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- Original Message -
*From:* HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


 Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to
say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something
to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying
over night?  I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma
though, right?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I
will ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and
purring yesterday...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally
> it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality
> in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of
> FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her
> to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work,
> liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it
> was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at
> all to cause coma by any chance?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
>  Belinda,
>
> I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on
> Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and
> quite frankly do not want to know.
>
> I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick
> and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat
> the sick one.
>
> She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I
> think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.
>
> (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than
> generous...I am just venting..)
>
>
> On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Kelley.
> >I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
> > longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP
> > diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
> > especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of
> > charge
> > or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he
> >
> > would be curious.
> >
> > No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
> > accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Belinda
> > happiness is being owned by cats ...
> >
> > Be-Mi-Kitties
> > http://bemikitties.com
> >
> > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
> > http://adopt.bemikitties.com
> >
> > FeLV Candlelight Service
> > http://bemikitties.com/cls
> >
> > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
> > http://HostDesign4U.com 
> >
> > 
> >
> > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
> > http://bmk.bemikitties.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
>
>


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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that happened.

Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to 
say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to 
Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over 
night?  I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right?
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will 
ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring 
yesterday...


On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's 
very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her 
blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but 
all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such 
a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values 
will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that 
with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by 
any chance? 
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

 
Belinda,

I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on 
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and 
quite frankly do not want to know.

I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick 
and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the 
sick one.

She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  
I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

(And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than 
generous...I am just venting..)

 
On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
   Kelley.
 I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
  longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
  diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
  especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of 
charge
  or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think 
he 
  would be curious.

  No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
  accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

  --

  Belinda
  happiness is being owned by cats ... 

  Be-Mi-Kitties
  http://bemikitties.com

  Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens 
  http://adopt.bemikitties.com

  FeLV Candlelight Service 
  http://bemikitties.com/cls

  HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] 
  http://HostDesign4U.com

  

  BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] 
  http://bmk.bemikitties.com






-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org 

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

You have to look at percentages.  4 out of how many?

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats 
in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to
tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it. Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

Smudging isn't new age.  It's very old, a Native American ritual. I 
ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging 
the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion.  View the cats through the 
smoke and smudge them too.  (And I love the smell.)

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You aren't nuts.  I have too many 
friends who smudge (use sage the way you described).  It is common in Native 
American cultures and even some Christian religions (using incense at  funerals 
etc).  It is definitely worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white 
sage and it has a wonderful odor.
   
  They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green 
attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would 
give this information.
   
  If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may 
make you feel better.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Tamara --
   
  This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
   
  Diane R.


-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  
  Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Dubose]

Unless it is the "wet" form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's stomach 
and tested.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).  
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a 
necropsy.

  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret 
Meade ~~~





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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

You aren't nuts.  I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you 
described).  It is common in Native American cultures and even some Christian 
religions (using incense at  funerals etc).  It is definitely worth the 
effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a wonderful odor.

They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green attracts 
health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would give this 
information.

If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may make 
you feel better.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

  "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Tamara --

This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  

Diane R.




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara 
stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Kelly,

Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.

I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When 
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  

Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.

Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our office 
whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our 
office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is raining down on 
you, try remedies that can't be explained."

Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, 
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.

God Bless, Good luck,
T
 
  On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered 
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or 
is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going 
to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive 

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.

He was in surgery when I called.

I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.


On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would also
ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if
Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with
actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me..

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a
necropsy.

*Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!






--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

I did not see her in the coma, no.

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to
say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something
to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying
over night?  I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma
though, right?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I
will ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and
purring yesterday...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally
> it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality
> in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of
> FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her
> to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work,
> liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it
> was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at
> all to cause coma by any chance?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
>  Belinda,
>
> I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on
> Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and
> quite frankly do not want to know.
>
> I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick
> and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat
> the sick one.
>
> She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I
> think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.
>
> (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than
> generous...I am just venting..)
>
>
> On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Kelley.
> >I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
> > longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP
> > diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
> > especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of
> > charge
> > or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he
> >
> > would be curious.
> >
> > No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
> > accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Belinda
> > happiness is being owned by cats ...
> >
> > Be-Mi-Kitties
> > http://bemikitties.com
> >
> > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
> > http://adopt.bemikitties.com
> >
> > FeLV Candlelight Service
> > http://bemikitties.com/cls
> >
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> > http://HostDesign4U.com 
> >
> > 
> >
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> > http://bmk.bemikitties.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

He did a titer test.  I know the only way to be certain a cat has FIP is to
do a necropsy (although I do trust his diagnosis).  Titer tests without
symptoms (inappetence, depression, and weight loss) don't mean much, and he
generally doesn't do them.  In the presence of symptoms with a test result
with high titers, a presumptive diagnosis of FIP can be made.

Thanks for correcting me in my time of grief, though!


On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a
necropsy.

*Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would also ask 
maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does 
not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties 
as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).  
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a 
necropsy.

  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- 
but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie 
by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night?  I 
am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will 
ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring 
yesterday...


  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's 
very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her 
blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but 
all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such 
a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values 
will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that 
with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by 
any chance? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  Belinda,

  I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on 
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and 
quite frankly do not want to know.

  I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick 
and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the 
sick one.

  She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I 
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

  (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than 
generous...I am just venting..)

   
  On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he 
would be curious.

No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

--

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RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[tamara stickler]

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Tamara --
   
  This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
   
  Diane R.


-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  
  Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Susan Hoffman]

You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).  
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a 
necropsy.

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  She was a sweet girl who liked to 
sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr 
Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she 
was comatose..

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[wendy]

Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
> 
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
> 
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
> 
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
> 
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> 
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> 
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> 
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> 
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
> 
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> 
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> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Caroline!
> 
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> 
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will
ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring
yesterday...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's
very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her
blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP,
but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be
in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver
values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not
like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to
cause coma by any chance?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


 Belinda,

I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and
quite frankly do not want to know.

I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and
I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the
sick one.

She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

(And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than
generous...I am just venting..)


On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Kelley.
>I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
> longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP
> diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
> especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
> or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he
> would be curious.
>
> No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
> accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.
>
> --
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
> Be-Mi-Kitties
> http://bemikitties.com
>
> Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
> http://adopt.bemikitties.com
>
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> http://bemikitties.com/cls
>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very 
unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood 
work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her 
organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a 
serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will 
be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with 
suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any 
chance?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Belinda,

  I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on 
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and 
quite frankly do not want to know.

  I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I 
have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick 
one.

  She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I 
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

  (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I 
am just venting..)

   
  On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he 
would be curious.

No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

--

Belinda
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Barb Moermond]

Oh Kelley, I am so sorry.  GLOW to light her path and ease your heart.

a thought: you should try some RR on yourself too - can't hurt and it might 
help relax the vibes you're putting off.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:37:59 AM
Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. 
 She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish I had 
been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Dede,

I think it has to be done soon after death...I guess I can ask how much one
is.

On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


She was comatose.  I would not dare ask him to do anything as a courtsey,
he already does not charge me exam fees on any of my cats...and sometimes he
will just take stuff off the bill...but I have never asked.  I don't want to
ruin the great relationship we have.

When he initially suspected FIP, he continued treating.  When he came in
this morning she was in a coma.  I think they just told me the test results
as an afterthought.  I do not think he thought she would come out of the
coma.  I cannot afford to maintain a rescue cat in a coma for days or weeks
anyway on the slim chance they might come out of it.  I know it sucks, but
that's the way it is.  I wish I could afford to go down every possible
avenue for every cat, but even then you get into at what point are you just
making them suffer.

I'm really worried about Caroline now, considering 3 of the 5 have died
and one has cancer.


On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what
> is going on.  If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being
> able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments.  If
> it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible.
>
> Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll
> out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating.
>
> Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others,
> she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed
> anything that may help the next patient.
>
> --
>
> Belinda
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>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Beth Noren]

Oh Kelley, I am so sorry for your loss, I just finished responding to your
other email and then saw this one.  Please don't put the blame on yourself
for "trying to rescue too many".  Look instead at how many lives you have
saved.  Add them up.  Our local Humane Society euthanized almost 28,000
animals in 2002.  We are all getting the emails showing whole families of
cats about to go to the gas chamber.  You are doing good in the face of a
horribly frustrating problem of overpopulation.  If some of yours are
succumbing to stress, it is the owners who surrendered that are responsible
for causing the stress, not you!

Beth




On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

She was comatose.  I would not dare ask him to do anything as a courtsey, he
already does not charge me exam fees on any of my cats...and sometimes he
will just take stuff off the bill...but I have never asked.  I don't want to
ruin the great relationship we have.

When he initially suspected FIP, he continued treating.  When he came in
this morning she was in a coma.  I think they just told me the test results
as an afterthought.  I do not think he thought she would come out of the
coma.  I cannot afford to maintain a rescue cat in a coma for days or weeks
anyway on the slim chance they might come out of it.  I know it sucks, but
that's the way it is.  I wish I could afford to go down every possible
avenue for every cat, but even then you get into at what point are you just
making them suffer.

I'm really worried about Caroline now, considering 3 of the 5 have died and
one has cancer.


On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what
is going on.  If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being
able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments.  If
it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible.

Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll
out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating.

Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others,
she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed
anything that may help the next patient.

--

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[dede hicken]

Kelly, You are right about the stress.  We had an
owner surrender at our shelter in Fl.  He was 5 yrs
old, and had never known anyone else.  He just sat on
top of a cabinet and literally tried to starve.

We took him home, and he is OK except for severe
stomatitis.  Clearly, it can affect the immune system.

The other issue we ran into last year was Panleuk.  It
was a virulent strain.  100's of cats died in good
shelters.  In each case, a rescue cat brought it in. 
It was the worst esperience of my life, burying 40+
cats from this one group.  It broke my heart.  I know
your funds are shot, but a necropsy with a tox screen
might help you.

Dede and Ki
--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm thinking, Hideyo.
> 
> Stress can bring on FIP, right?
> 
> We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender.
> 
> We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner
> surrender and I don't think
> will live much longer.
> 
> We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender.
> 
> We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how
> affectionate she was and
> the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly
> someone's cat.
> 
> I think it is some kind of stress related illness. 
> I don't think it is
> bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos.  I think
> something is stressing these
> cats badly enough to kill them.  I tried to save too
> many and I'm killing
> them instead.
> 
> I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came
> from outside...and he is
> just happy to have a warm place to sleep.
> 
> The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis..
> 
> I just don't know...
> 
> 
> On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  I understand - I agree with you - it seems very
> very unusal - after you
> > mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea
> that she had FIP -are you
> > thinking of doing any further findings to see what
> caused her illness?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
> >
> >
> > I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was
> just 5...
> >
> > On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I
> wish you could have been
> > > there with her, too.  Please know that she is no
> longer in pain and free
> > > from the body which did not allow her to do all
> the things she wanted to do
> > > -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent
> her from being happy and
> > > healthy again.
> > >
> > > Much love to you and Angel Suzie.
> > >
> > > hideyo
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > *To:* felvtalk 
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
> > > *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge
> > >
> > >
> > > She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps,
> but didn't like other
> > > cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon
> euthanized her this
> > > morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said
> she was comatose..
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Please help Caroline!
> > >
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Belinda]

  You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what 
is going on.  If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being 
able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments.  If 
it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible.


Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll 
out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating.


Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others, 
she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed 
anything that may help the next patient.


--

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RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Tamara --
 
This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I
am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature
that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any
case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular
substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara
stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Kelly,
 
Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so
ill.
 
I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as
are your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or
later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch:
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
 
Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects &
contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project
manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a
project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a
skitzoid-harpie.
 
Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving
a solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her
explanation, to which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she
moved the sage to the door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an
"x" across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above
the door jamb.  Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes
flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our
way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she
stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all
confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she
had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped
foot into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the
unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be
explained."
 
Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time,
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
 
God Bless, Good luck,
T
 

On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

This is the toll so far from this year, not including
kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one
knows what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know
how I am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and
leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my
cats

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succeeded.  That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that
is success. 
 

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Belinda,

I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and
quite frankly do not want to know.

I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I
have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the
sick one.

She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

(And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I
am just venting..)


On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he
would be curious.

No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

--

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[tamara stickler]

Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

Hideyo,

They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no
wheat gluten.  It isn't the worst either.

They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always.

I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting
cats 5-12 yo.

The kittens are ok.


On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 How about the food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to
recall food?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I
use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets.

I try to use simple green when I think it will work.

The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very
friendly.  A great staff favaprote at T:AC

I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.


On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new
> version) in the walls where it touched the concrete.
>
> Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?
> Bleaches?
>
> I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases
> where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many
> times we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase
> in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now
> in our food, water, homes.
>
> If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones
> I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to
> science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that
> even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They
> have the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.
> You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.
>
> You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it
> is outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a
> scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail
> for 3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it
> will never make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long
> it takes the odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful
> set of events may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated
> female cats several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at
> different local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The
> other had just the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were
> fine the night before they died but both died the third day.  I was so
> totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was
> going on.  Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he
> couldn't come up with anything.  One could easily have had undetected heart
> problems but both of them???  All of this is to say that sometimes
> things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't
> think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the
> hope that something might ring true with you.  You have been thru so much.
> Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer.  That is my
> prayer for you.
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of
> it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
> Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
> ago...
>
> On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for
> > some uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses,
> > a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic
> > treated lumber and, when I questioned 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Beth Noren]

Hi Kelley,
I am so sorry for what you are going through.  If it is FIP, maybe you have
a chronic FeCov shedder with a more easily mutating strain?  I know regular
old FeCov is gonna be present in any rescue, but if more than 5-10% of your
cats are getting FIP, maybe a nastier strain is the problem.  Not sure how
possible or practical it is to do the titer testing that Dr. Addie
recommends to identify chronic shedders when it's a rescue and funds and
space are limited.  Can you break up the group at your house into separate
foster homes?  (I know, easier said than done).  Don't know how much a
necropsy runs, maybe do at least one when someone passes with the most
common symptoms that you are seeing in the group?  The dehydration,
anorexia, and weight loss were all present in the kitten that I lost last
summer to suspected FIP, but there was also recurring high fever that became
unresponsive to antibiotics.  (She had the wet form, not dry).  Have any had
their A/G ratio run to help rule FIP in or out?
It may not be FIP at all, maybe it is a horrible coincidence that they got
sick from different things at the same time.  Who knows what kinds of
care and feeding these guys have ever had in their pasts.  Hugs and strength
to you for helping those most in need.

Beth


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Belinda]

 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had 
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and 
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge 
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he 
would be curious.


No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or 
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.


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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

I'm thinking, Hideyo.

Stress can bring on FIP, right?

We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender.

We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner surrender and I don't think
will live much longer.

We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender.

We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how affectionate she was and
the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly someone's cat.

I think it is some kind of stress related illness.  I don't think it is
bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos.  I think something is stressing these
cats badly enough to kill them.  I tried to save too many and I'm killing
them instead.

I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came from outside...and he is
just happy to have a warm place to sleep.

The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis..

I just don't know...


On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you
mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you
thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM
*Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been
> there with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free
> from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do
> -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and
> healthy again.
>
> Much love to you and Angel Suzie.
>
> hideyo
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
> *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge
>
>
> She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other
> cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this
> morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..
>
> --
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>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
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>
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[dede hicken]

Kelly, I am so sorry.  I wish I could say something
profound to take away your pain.  May God bless you,
and Suzie...who is free and happy at this moment.

Dede and Ki



--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but
> didn't like other cats
> much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon
> euthanized her this morning.  I
> wish I had been there, but they said she was
> comatose..
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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RE: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I'm so very sorry, Kelly.  Hugs to you.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge


She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other
cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this
morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you 
mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you 
thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5...


  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been 
there with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from 
the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now 
she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy 
again. 

Much love to you and Angel Suzie.

hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
  Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. 

  -- 
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

She loved tortillas..she would try to steal them from me..

On 6/28/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm so sorry... she sounds like a wonderful friend.  Sleep soft sweet
Suzie.

Gloria





 On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Gloria Lane]

I'm so sorry... she sounds like a wonderful friend.  Sleep soft sweet  
Suzie.


Gloria



On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like  
other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized  
her this morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was  
comatose..


--
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5...

On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been
there with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free
from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do
-- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and
healthy again.

Much love to you and Angel Suzie.

hideyo

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
*Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge


She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

--
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http://www.rescuties.org

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there 
with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the 
body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she 
is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again.

Much love to you and Angel Suzie.

hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
  Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge


  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - 
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Suzie crossed the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I
wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Re: Suzie, for visualization

[dede hicken]

Kelly, she is so regal!  She looks likemy Gemini. She
is the one I accidently left in Fl.  My daughters will
fly up with her this fall.

I am sorry you are going through all this.  With all
the cats I have , I know how you feel.  Things cn
change in a minute.  We love them so much, and the
pain is so intense at times.

We had an FIV cat that we pulled out of severe anemia
last spring, and now I am dealing with Ki. I know it
can go either way, and there is the knot in the pit of
my stomach because I know that.  I will do my best,
and pray a lot for him and your Susie.

God bless, and give you peace,
Dede




--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is her webpage:
> 
>
http://www.rescuties.org/animals/detail?AnimalID=126269
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Caroline!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
> 
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
> 
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
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> powered by Yahoo!
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Re: just beginning

[Susan Dubose]

Thanks!

I will pass that onto Patty Mora, my business partner.

She made it.

She is also one very good pet photographer.

She really, really has a knack and a very gentle, calming effect on 
animals..  :)

You should see the photos she did of my Lola & my Ursula...  

Priceless.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:04 AM
  Subject: Re: just beginning


  I love your Pet Girls logo.  Adorable, you girls, you!


  "Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation."




  On Jun 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


I have to agree w/ your comments about chemo.

I think that it is a decision left within the family, and there should be 
no judgement as to what is decided.

No one knows your cat better than yourself, and if you listen to what they 
are saying to you, you will know the right thing to do in your heart.

Every morning I put Lysine in my 4 felv+ cats moist food, and I sprinkle 
Brewer's Yeast on top of their dry food.

As far as dry food they only get Wellness "Core" mixed half & half w/ 
Innova "Evo", and for now, this combination seems to be working for them.



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message -
  From: Marylyn
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: just beginning


  A comment on chemo:  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+) had a 
cancer that spread and was vicious.  The specialists were very insistent on 
chemo.  I went to my vets and we had a very long hard talk (actually several of 
them since they are very good at holding my hand when things turn ugly).  There 
are several types of chemo.  The one Kitty would have to have was rough to put 
it mildly.  I think she was to be on it for 6 months.  Without it she was to 
live about 2 months and with it maybe 6-8 months (according to the 
specialists).  My vets and I agreed that there was no quality of life to gain 
and, as much as Kitty hated vets, traveling etc, a lot to lose.  We opted not 
to even try the chemo.  Kitty lived 14 months and had a high quality of life.  
Her lungs filled with the masses but she never seemed to be in any pain---some 
discomfort but not nearly what she would be in had I forced her to travel.  So 
much of this is a judgment call.  Sit with your little friend after you have 
gathered all the information you can and feel what the cat wantsI got in 
trouble for suggesting this not long ago but I truly believe you will know what 
is best if you calm yourself and talk to your friend the way you would talk to 
a baby or an elderly person who cannot communicate with words.talk with 
your heart.  Among the things Dr. Kohler and I talked about were: 
  What would we do if we had the cancer?  Would we endure chemo or enjoy 
the time we had?  What other options are available (a gentler chemo etc)? What 
is the cat's personality?  What would work for Dixie might not work for Kitty 
etc?  Did I have the ability to take "doing nothing" as a positive step or did 
I need to try anything and everything?  (There are times that choosing to do 
nothing is choosing to do something.)  We also talked at length about the need 
to make a decision and not look back and second guess ourselves if we chose to 
do nothing. 

  Maybe examining these questions with both your heart and mind will help.  
I am blessed to have vets that can be so open with me.  In other cases we have 
taken other routes.  It has always depended on the little one in question.

  Again blessings to you.  You may want to check out the Bach Essences 
(Rainbow Blossom, Wild Oats, Whole Foods).  There are some that will help you 
and your little friend.  

  No matter what you chose try very hard to enjoy the time you have with 
Monkee.  No one knows when she is going to leave this world and we spend much 
too much time grieving before it is time to grieve---and lose the 
precious moments together.





  

Re: just beginning

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

I love your Pet Girls logo.  Adorable, you girls, you!

"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Jun 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


I have to agree w/ your comments about chemo.

I think that it is a decision left within the family, and there  
should be no judgement as to what is decided.


No one knows your cat better than yourself, and if you listen to  
what they are saying to you, you will know the right thing to do in  
your heart.


Every morning I put Lysine in my 4 felv+ cats moist food, and I  
sprinkle Brewer's Yeast on top of their dry food.


As far as dry food they only get Wellness "Core" mixed half & half  
w/ Innova "Evo", and for now, this combination seems to be working  
for them.




Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: just beginning

A comment on chemo:  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+) had  
a cancer that spread and was vicious.  The specialists were very  
insistent on chemo.  I went to my vets and we had a very long hard  
talk (actually several of them since they are very good at holding  
my hand when things turn ugly).  There are several types of chemo.   
The one Kitty would have to have was rough to put it mildly.  I  
think she was to be on it for 6 months.  Without it she was to live  
about 2 months and with it maybe 6-8 months (according to the  
specialists).  My vets and I agreed that there was no quality of  
life to gain and, as much as Kitty hated vets, traveling etc, a lot  
to lose.  We opted not to even try the chemo.  Kitty lived 14  
months and had a high quality of life.  Her lungs filled with the  
masses but she never seemed to be in any pain---some discomfort but  
not nearly what she would be in had I forced her to travel.  So  
much of this is a judgment call.  Sit with your little friend after  
you have gathered all the information you can and feel what the cat  
wantsI got in trouble for suggesting this not long ago but I  
truly believe you will know what is best if you calm yourself and  
talk to your friend the way you would talk to a baby or an elderly  
person who cannot communicate with words.talk with your heart.   
Among the things Dr. Kohler and I talked about were:
What would we do if we had the cancer?  Would we endure chemo or  
enjoy the time we had?  What other options are available (a gentler  
chemo etc)? What is the cat's personality?  What would work for  
Dixie might not work for Kitty etc?  Did I have the ability to take  
"doing nothing" as a positive step or did I need to try anything  
and everything?  (There are times that choosing to do nothing is  
choosing to do something.)  We also talked at length about the need  
to make a decision and not look back and second guess ourselves if  
we chose to do nothing.


Maybe examining these questions with both your heart and mind will  
help.  I am blessed to have vets that can be so open with me.  In  
other cases we have taken other routes.  It has always depended on  
the little one in question.


Again blessings to you.  You may want to check out the Bach  
Essences (Rainbow Blossom, Wild Oats, Whole Foods).  There are some  
that will help you and your little friend.


No matter what you chose try very hard to enjoy the time you have  
with Monkee.  No one knows when she is going to leave this world  
and we spend much too much time grieving before it is time to  
grieve---and lose the precious moments together.






 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: just beginning

Hi Caroline,

I am sorry about Monkee.

Thanks for taking him into your home, especially since he was a  
stray and is felv+.


I am sure he has had a good life w/ you, espeically since 4 yrs. is  
really a long time to survive being felv+.


I have taken several animals through chemo (I am a petsitter, I do  
this for my clients as a favor since it's hard on them or if they  
are out of town) and I have to say, I don't think I would take my  
cat through c