Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
Thank you, Beth. She stays inside almost all the time now, except when I'm home and she is sunning on her porch. She has continued to have these episodes throughout the night. She slept with me last night and I just don't know what is going on. I'm going to call the vet's as soon as they open. It could just been some kind of terrible pain. She starts breathing very rapidly...lets out a low grown...then her eyes look really strange -- like she is looking at a different world that I can't see...her breathing rapid the whole time. Then after so many seconds...she will be just like normal. The past few episodes her legs didn't go straight out and all but she does roll over on her side when this happens. On 3/27/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elizabeth, So sorry to hear Mama Kitty had a seizure. I haven't had time to write anyone much lately, but I have tried to keep up with reading the list and have followed what you've been going through with her. It is weird, we had lots of beautiful sunshine this afternoon and I was thinking of you two and hoping that Mama Kitty was feeling good and strolling around your yard enjoying it. I could just picture her doing it. I will be hoping things go smoothly for you tomorrow. I picked up a cat that had epilepsy once. I was leaving a painting job late one snowy night two years ago. I was following the two black, rutted tire tracks down the middle of a snowy road. I thought I saw movement, started to brake, then thought I'd imagined it but continued slowly. A little dark brown tabby cat became visible walking slow and strange in the tire track. I stopped, waited for it to move, but it stopped and looked at me with absolute confusion on its face. I parked, it came back and tried to go under the car, I picked it up (wet on one side, smelled of urine) put it on my front seat and it sat there without moving the whole 45 minutes to my house. At the house, it just sat in a ball upstairs with its eyes shut. I thought it was dying, that it had already been hit by a car, called my husband sobbing. Maybe twenty minutes later, it opened its eyes and started to explore everything and act like a regular cat. I put a sign up in his neighborhood the next day and the owner called, said he was epileptic, but didn't usually go out of the yard. We figure he seized, then didn't remember where he was or which identical looking snowy driveway was his. Guess my point is be careful with her outside if she has more seizures, I think you are rural and maybe don't have to worry about cars, but it can be so easy for them to get confused out there. Hope this was ideopathic and it won't happen again. It is so scary. Big hugs, Beth On 3/27/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Thank you for writing -- you've helped me take a deep breath. I'll send you an email off-list. elizabeth On 3/27/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+ She is controlled with phenobarbitol. I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel free to email me off list. I know how scary it is to see a grand mal seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with. *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] *wrote: I am so worried. When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a lot of spunk. She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get up and go to the front door to go outside. I picked her up and took her -- she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food. She really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at pet her. She wanted to get down so I let her. She went to a place where she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly. Her eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl. That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled to the side..tongue sticking out. It was a seizure. There is no mistaking it. I thought she was going to die. She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic. When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept everyone very calm and still. In a few minutes, she was purring again. I got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well. She seems tired - but ok. I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told me not to. I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of her favorite CDs on to soothe her. Going to simmer some lavender oil. I was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away. The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to run so just just frieked out and had a seizure. My vet told me that cat's can do this - idiopathic seizures
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
Hey Elizabeth, I hate that Mama Kitty had a seizure. You must have been beside yourself! Is she taking a medicine similar to Pet Tinic? I hope that her seizure was only ideopathic, but it's still scary! Please let us know how she does at the vet's today. I am so glad she did not leave you last night. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
What is the problem with Pet Tinic? I give it to Dixie and the ferals and now I am concerned. I'd appreciate any information. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Mama Kitty - seizure Hey Elizabeth, I hate that Mama Kitty had a seizure. You must have been beside yourself! Is she taking a medicine similar to Pet Tinic? I hope that her seizure was only ideopathic, but it's still scary! Please let us know how she does at the vet's today. I am so glad she did not leave you last night. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
Pet Tinic is fine. Elizabeth said that Mama Kitty doesn't do well on it, so it's an individual thing with her. :) Wendy --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the problem with Pet Tinic? I give it to Dixie and the ferals and now I am concerned. I'd appreciate any information. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Mama Kitty - seizure Hey Elizabeth, I hate that Mama Kitty had a seizure. You must have been beside yourself! Is she taking a medicine similar to Pet Tinic? I hope that her seizure was only ideopathic, but it's still scary! Please let us know how she does at the vet's today. I am so glad she did not leave you last night. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: Mama Kitty
Thank you, Dede. On 3/28/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth: So very sorry for your loss. I know how bad it hurts. Each one of them is special. May you feel conforted knowing she is at peace. You both will always be friends, and someday be together again. Dede --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty, You will forever rest in this yard that you loved so much. You are surrounded by roses. I covered your grave with tulips and apple blossoms. It hurts so much to say goodbye. You will forever be alive in my heart. I love you. elizabeth When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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Thank you so much, Michelle. On 3/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry to hear mama kitty has passed - my heart goes out to you and no it's not crazy to hear her purrs - you always do what is best for them and feel the bond with them and she is still with you. I haven't heard my angel kitties purr but I sure did see Bramble move past me from the corner of my eye a few months after he died. Maybe it's their way of letting us know they found the bridge ok and are running around playing whilst they wait for us xxx Michelle, Buddy, Minsterl Angel Bramble
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+ She is controlled with phenobarbitol. I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel free to email me off list. I know how scary it is to see a grand mal seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with. elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am so worried. When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a lot of spunk. She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get up and go to the front door to go outside. I picked her up and took her -- she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food. She really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at pet her. She wanted to get down so I let her. She went to a place where she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly. Her eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl. That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled to the side..tongue sticking out. It was a seizure. There is no mistaking it. I thought she was going to die. She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic. When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept everyone very calm and still. In a few minutes, she was purring again. I got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well. She seems tired - but ok. I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told me not to. I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of her favorite CDs on to soothe her. Going to simmer some lavender oil. I was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away. The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to run so just just frieked out and had a seizure. My vet told me that cat's can do this - idiopathic seizures with no underlying pathology. I'm worring myself sick but I am afraid a 45 minute trip to the vet would just friek her out more and the last thing she needs right now is stress. The fact that she ate convinced me more to just chill out and stay with her. She has an appointment for more Acemannan tomorrow. When I get her to go to the vet - it's fast and painless. She's in that pet taxi before she knows what happened. She's really in a delicate state right now though. My vet is less than 2 miles away so hopefully we can get there without a big ordeal. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
Susan, Thank you for writing -- you've helped me take a deep breath. I'll send you an email off-list. elizabeth On 3/27/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+ She is controlled with phenobarbitol. I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel free to email me off list. I know how scary it is to see a grand mal seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with. *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am so worried. When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a lot of spunk. She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get up and go to the front door to go outside. I picked her up and took her -- she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food. She really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at pet her. She wanted to get down so I let her. She went to a place where she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly. Her eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl. That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled to the side..tongue sticking out. It was a seizure. There is no mistaking it. I thought she was going to die. She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic. When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept everyone very calm and still. In a few minutes, she was purring again. I got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well. She seems tired - but ok. I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told me not to. I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of her favorite CDs on to soothe her. Going to simmer some lavender oil. I was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away. The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to run so just just frieked out and had a seizure. My vet told me that cat's can do this - idiopathic seizures with no underlying pathology. I'm worring myself sick but I am afraid a 45 minute trip to the vet would just friek her out more and the last thing she needs right now is stress. The fact that she ate convinced me more to just chill out and stay with her. She has an appointment for more Acemannan tomorrow. When I get her to go to the vet - it's fast and painless. She's in that pet taxi before she knows what happened. She's really in a delicate state right now though. My vet is less than 2 miles away so hopefully we can get there without a big ordeal. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
oh, no.. was off-line during thunderstorms so missed this lots and lots of GLOW for both of you. On 3/27/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Thank you for writing -- you've helped me take a deep breath. I'll send you an email off-list. elizabeth On 3/27/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+ She is controlled with phenobarbitol. I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel free to email me off list. I know how scary it is to see a grand mal seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with. *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: I am so worried. When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a lot of spunk. She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get up and go to the front door to go outside. I picked her up and took her -- she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food. She really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at pet her. She wanted to get down so I let her. She went to a place where she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly. Her eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl. That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled to the side..tongue sticking out. It was a seizure. There is no mistaking it. I thought she was going to die. She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic. When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept everyone very calm and still. In a few minutes, she was purring again. I got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well. She seems tired - but ok. I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told me not to. I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of her favorite CDs on to soothe her. Going to simmer some lavender oil. I was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away. The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to run so just just frieked out and had a seizure. My vet told me that cat's can do this - idiopathic seizures with no underlying pathology. I'm worring myself sick but I am afraid a 45 minute trip to the vet would just friek her out more and the last thing she needs right now is stress. The fact that she ate convinced me more to just chill out and stay with her. She has an appointment for more Acemannan tomorrow. When I get her to go to the vet - it's fast and painless. She's in that pet taxi before she knows what happened. She's really in a delicate state right now though. My vet is less than 2 miles away so hopefully we can get there without a big ordeal. elizabeth -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty - seizure
Hi Elizabeth, So sorry to hear Mama Kitty had a seizure. I haven't had time to write anyone much lately, but I have tried to keep up with reading the list and have followed what you've been going through with her. It is weird, we had lots of beautiful sunshine this afternoon and I was thinking of you two and hoping that Mama Kitty was feeling good and strolling around your yard enjoying it. I could just picture her doing it. I will be hoping things go smoothly for you tomorrow. I picked up a cat that had epilepsy once. I was leaving a painting job late one snowy night two years ago. I was following the two black, rutted tire tracks down the middle of a snowy road. I thought I saw movement, started to brake, then thought I'd imagined it but continued slowly. A little dark brown tabby cat became visible walking slow and strange in the tire track. I stopped, waited for it to move, but it stopped and looked at me with absolute confusion on its face. I parked, it came back and tried to go under the car, I picked it up (wet on one side, smelled of urine) put it on my front seat and it sat there without moving the whole 45 minutes to my house. At the house, it just sat in a ball upstairs with its eyes shut. I thought it was dying, that it had already been hit by a car, called my husband sobbing. Maybe twenty minutes later, it opened its eyes and started to explore everything and act like a regular cat. I put a sign up in his neighborhood the next day and the owner called, said he was epileptic, but didn't usually go out of the yard. We figure he seized, then didn't remember where he was or which identical looking snowy driveway was his. Guess my point is be careful with her outside if she has more seizures, I think you are rural and maybe don't have to worry about cars, but it can be so easy for them to get confused out there. Hope this was ideopathic and it won't happen again. It is so scary. Big hugs, Beth On 3/27/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Thank you for writing -- you've helped me take a deep breath. I'll send you an email off-list. elizabeth On 3/27/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+ She is controlled with phenobarbitol. I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel free to email me off list. I know how scary it is to see a grand mal seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with. *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] *wrote: I am so worried. When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a lot of spunk. She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get up and go to the front door to go outside. I picked her up and took her -- she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food. She really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at pet her. She wanted to get down so I let her. She went to a place where she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly. Her eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl. That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled to the side..tongue sticking out. It was a seizure. There is no mistaking it. I thought she was going to die. She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic. When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept everyone very calm and still. In a few minutes, she was purring again. I got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well. She seems tired - but ok. I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told me not to. I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of her favorite CDs on to soothe her. Going to simmer some lavender oil. I was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away. The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to run so just just frieked out and had a seizure. My vet told me that cat's can do this - idiopathic seizures with no underlying pathology. I'm worring myself sick but I am afraid a 45 minute trip to the vet would just friek her out more and the last thing she needs right now is stress. The fact that she ate convinced me more to just chill out and stay with her. She has an appointment for more Acemannan tomorrow. When I get her to go to the vet - it's fast and painless. She's in that pet taxi before she knows what happened. She's really in a delicate state right now though. My vet is less than 2 miles away so hopefully we can get there without a big ordeal. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty
sounds like anemia. i'm way behind. i hope you have some answers by now. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
I think you are confusing 2 words, necrotized and necropsied. Necrotized means dead, necrotized tissue is dead tissue. Necropsied means to have performed a necropsy, which, is the same as an autopsy, an examination of a dead body. Gary - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now No, I don't think you made that word up. lol. Necropsy means dead tissue. Or the dying of tissue. Something like that. The only reason I know this is because I had a breast cancer scare this past summer, and the spot on the mammogram turned out to be necropsied tissue, probably from an old sports injury. I was relieved that's all it was.
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Elizabeth, I wish I could reach out and give you and Mama Kitty hugs and kisses, (hugs for you, kisses for Mama Kitty :-) ). I'm so glad she's feeling better and that her temp is down! Now that she's getting her Acemannan shots, I'm hoping she'll bounce back quickly. You two must have such a tight bond, you've been through so much together. I'm absolutely positive she knows you are her partner in life, that she appreciates, (even if she doesn't always like the form it takes), all that you do to help her stay strong and healthy. Blessings to you guys and your whole household. I think the boys respect the fact that she's recovering and they won't pick on her until she feels better. Much love, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted.
RE: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Dear Elizabeth, So glad to hear Mama Kitty has got relief and is feeling well enough to eat salmon! It's just great that her fever has gone! Keep us posted when you get time, and big hugs to you both, Kerry Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Nina, Thank you with all our hearts. I have nothing but good things to report today. Mama Kitty *almost* seems back to normal! Not quite -- but she's getting there. I am so afraid to get excited knowing how this disease can be -- but today she has more stamina and she is very alert. Yesterday she wasn't steady on her feet and had to rest every few feet if she wanted to change locations. Today, however, she went outside twice on offical kitty kat business (she's never accepted the liter box as a way of life) and she didn't have to lie down once along the way. (I keep her inside during the day and I bring her in at bedtime...which is a big transition for her being an outside kitty at heart.) She did have a bite of red clay from the front yard deli this morning and tonight - but I figure she probaby knows what she needs better than I do. She *just* ate some dry food and some fancy feast! Not a lot -- but she had some dainty bites of each and so I am so very proud of her. I didn't even have to coax! It's almost time for her transdermal doxy so I'll bring her inside soon -- I just know that every day is prescious and she needs her time to soak in all the sights and sounds. She wanted very much to rule the front porch when I got home and I saw no reason why she couldn't since she is so good about staying within our property bounds. She loved watching the sprinkler going around and caught the last hour or so of sun for kitty sunbathing. What really encouraged me was that she is grooming herself. That is always a good sign. Thank you so much to everyone for the love, care and well wishes. elizabeth On 3/22/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Elizabeth, So glad to hear Mama Kitty has got relief and is feeling well enough to eat salmon! It's just great that her fever has gone! Keep us posted when you get time, and big hugs to you both, Kerry Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
wonderful, wonderful! i love the comment about the litter box some of mine are now gonna use that excuse for their poor performance... i'm sorry, i just don't accept it GLOW continues on. On 3/22/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Thank you with all our hearts. I have nothing but good things to report today. Mama Kitty *almost* seems back to normal! Not quite -- but she's getting there. I am so afraid to get excited knowing how this disease can be -- but today she has more stamina and she is very alert. Yesterday she wasn't steady on her feet and had to rest every few feet if she wanted to change locations. Today, however, she went outside twice on offical kitty kat business (she's never accepted the liter box as a way of life) and she didn't have to lie down once along the way. (I keep her inside during the day and I bring her in at bedtime...which is a big transition for her being an outside kitty at heart.) She did have a bite of red clay from the front yard deli this morning and tonight - but I figure she probaby knows what she needs better than I do. She *just* ate some dry food and some fancy feast! Not a lot -- but she had some dainty bites of each and so I am so very proud of her. I didn't even have to coax! It's almost time for her transdermal doxy so I'll bring her inside soon -- I just know that every day is prescious and she needs her time to soak in all the sights and sounds. She wanted very much to rule the front porch when I got home and I saw no reason why she couldn't since she is so good about staying within our property bounds. She loved watching the sprinkler going around and caught the last hour or so of sun for kitty sunbathing. What really encouraged me was that she is grooming herself. That is always a good sign. Thank you so much to everyone for the love, care and well wishes. elizabeth On 3/22/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Elizabeth, So glad to hear Mama Kitty has got relief and is feeling well enough to eat salmon! It's just great that her fever has gone! Keep us posted when you get time, and big hugs to you both, Kerry Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Oh Honey, go ahead and get excited!! Such a wonderful progress report! I agree with you completely about granting her as many wishes as you can. Such a nice image; picturing her out on the porch in the fading light grooming her kitty self. These are the images we hold in our hearts, no matter what the future brings. You can't see it, but I'm grinning. I'm going to go smooch one of my babies in her honor, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Nina, Thank you with all our hearts. I have nothing but good things to report today. Mama Kitty /almost/ seems back to normal! Not quite -- but she's getting there. I am so afraid to get excited knowing how this disease can be -- but today she has more stamina and she is very alert. Yesterday she wasn't steady on her feet and had to rest every few feet if she wanted to change locations. Today, however, she went outside twice on offical kitty kat business (she's never accepted the liter box as a way of life) and she didn't have to lie down once along the way. (I keep her inside during the day and I bring her in at bedtime...which is a big transition for her being an outside kitty at heart.) She did have a bite of red clay from the front yard deli this morning and tonight - but I figure she probaby knows what she needs better than I do. She /just/ ate some dry food and some fancy feast! Not a lot -- but she had some dainty bites of each and so I am so very proud of her. I didn't even have to coax! It's almost time for her transdermal doxy so I'll bring her inside soon -- I just know that every day is prescious and she needs her time to soak in all the sights and sounds. She wanted very much to rule the front porch when I got home and I saw no reason why she couldn't since she is so good about staying within our property bounds. She loved watching the sprinkler going around and caught the last hour or so of sun for kitty sunbathing. What really encouraged me was that she is grooming herself. That is always a good sign. Thank you so much to everyone for the love, care and well wishes. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty Update
Thank you, Wendy. I don't know if the Acemannan is specifically for anemia pe se but it seemed to help so much last time. I am cautiously optimistic. She had several good bites of salmon last night and this morning. elizabeth On 3/20/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I am so glad you took Mama Kitty in to the vet too! Paying close attention to our furbabies can be the difference between life and death sometimes. Bless you for taking her in so quickly. I am sorry to hear that she is anemic. But since she bounced back last year so well, I don't see any reason why she can't this year. Did you say the Acemannan is for anemia? Aren't you glad the company that manufactures it isn't having the issues they had a few months ago, now?! I will keep her in my prayers. Please keep us posted on her progress. Thinking of you both... :) Wendy Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: Mama Kitty
It's definitely worth a try. There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0) elizabeth On 3/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Mama Kitty
for anyone giving fluids regularly (for crf, etc) you can add the vitamin b complex or whatever to the fluids--3ccs per bag. makes the fluids a rather odd color, but the cats don't seem to mind... i do injectible b-complex shots when necessary--it's so hard to get pills and liquids into the teeny-tiny persian mouth, and they really don't seem to mind the injections very much. (she says, ignoring that still-healing bite on her left index finger where the siberian took exception to her depo/b-complex shot of two weeks ago.) MC On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's definitely worth a try. There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0) elizabeth On 3/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty
Thanks, MC. I just talked to my vet's office -- the Acemannan is already here so we go this afternoon for the first injection. I told them I was concerned because I didn't see her drink water last night or this morning. They said that she might not be thirsty for about 12 hours after the fluids but that they will probably give her more fluids today. On 3/21/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for anyone giving fluids regularly (for crf, etc) you can add the vitamin b complex or whatever to the fluids--3ccs per bag. makes the fluids a rather odd color, but the cats don't seem to mind... i do injectible b-complex shots when necessary--it's so hard to get pills and liquids into the teeny-tiny persian mouth, and they really don't seem to mind the injections very much. (she says, ignoring that still-healing bite on her left index finger where the siberian took exception to her depo/b-complex shot of two weeks ago.) MC On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's definitely worth a try. There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0) elizabeth On 3/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Mama Kitty
If they are injecting into her tummy - make sure that that the vet is very careful as my JoJo got very sick from the injection - I think it hit the wrong spot in his tummy -- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mama Kitty Thanks, MC. I just talked to my vet's office -- the Acemannan is already here so we go this afternoon for the first injection. I told them I was concerned because I didn't see her drink water last night or this morning. They said that she might not be thirsty for about 12 hours after the fluids but that they will probably give her more fluids today. On 3/21/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for anyone giving fluids regularly (for crf, etc) you can add the vitamin b complex or whatever to the fluids--3ccs per bag. makes the fluids a rather odd color, but the cats don't seem to mind... i do injectible b-complex shots when necessary--it's so hard to get pills and liquids into the teeny-tiny persian mouth, and they really don't seem to mind the injections very much. (she says, ignoring that still-healing bite on her left index finger where the siberian took exception to her depo/b-complex shot of two weeks ago.) MC On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's definitely worth a try. There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0) elizabeth On 3/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com http://bemikitties.com/ Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com http://adopt.bemikitties.com/ FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com http://bmk.bemikitties.com/ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty
I am so sorry to hear that about JoJo, Hideyo. Am I remembering correctly - isn't JoJo your dog? Do you still have him? We didn't have any problems last summer when we first started using this drug but it does look like it could be a very tricky type of injection to give. elizabeth On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are injecting into her tummy – make sure that that the vet is very careful as my JoJo got very sick from the injection – I think it hit the wrong spot in his tummy -- -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:21 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Mama Kitty Thanks, MC. I just talked to my vet's office -- the Acemannan is already here so we go this afternoon for the first injection. I told them I was concerned because I didn't see her drink water last night or this morning. They said that she might not be thirsty for about 12 hours after the fluids but that they will probably give her more fluids today. On 3/21/07, *TenHouseCats* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for anyone giving fluids regularly (for crf, etc) you can add the vitamin b complex or whatever to the fluids--3ccs per bag. makes the fluids a rather odd color, but the cats don't seem to mind... i do injectible b-complex shots when necessary--it's so hard to get pills and liquids into the teeny-tiny persian mouth, and they really don't seem to mind the injections very much. (she says, ignoring that still-healing bite on her left index finger where the siberian took exception to her depo/b-complex shot of two weeks ago.) MC On 3/21/07, *elizabeth trent* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's definitely worth a try. There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0) elizabeth On 3/21/07, *Belinda* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
At 03:32 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: wonderful! Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
always wonderful when they get hissy about going to the vet, isn't it? sending lots of love and GLOW to both of you, but can't talk--just noticed a HUGE thunderstorm coming in! On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Thank you! And stay safe! elizabeth On 3/21/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: always wonderful when they get hissy about going to the vet, isn't it? sending lots of love and GLOW to both of you, but can't talk--just noticed a HUGE thunderstorm coming in! On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now
Thank goodness that Mama Kitty's fever is gone! So happy that Mama Kitty is doing better!!! I know you are too! :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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I sure am! Thanks, Wendy. Mama is inside now in her favorite chair. I let her sit on the porch until past dark -- she just loves all the sights, sounds, and scents. She was an outdoor kitty for so long...I'm assuming before she lived here and for the longest after she took up residence here. The first time she started living inside -- she'd had a terrible bite from a feral...I'm thinking this may be how she got FeVL+ in the first place. She had to have two surgeries...her incision had a drain out of either end of the incision with the first operation...then she had to have the second surgery because some of the tissue had necrotized (did I just make up that word?). We (vet's office and I) had a devil of a time even identifying the points of the bite in the first place until it got very infected. A big ordeal for her and for me. She learned to live inside at that time because she just felt so bad - and she knew I was taking care of her...it wasn't for several months that she had her first crash and we learned that she had FeVL+. She's being a good sport about spending her days indoors. When she is healthy, I don't mind having her sun on the porch all day. She won't leave the porch except to visit the mulch around the roses (strictly on kitty cat business)...but in her state now - I would never forgive myself if one of the neighborhood dogs tried to harass her . She simply would not be able to defend herself in such a weakened state. Yesterday and today she really hasn't had much strength to sit upright...though I did see her sit up a couple of times this afternoon which is a big improvement from yesterday. She's taking it all in stride. I may be wacko (yeah -- I know) - but somehow it seems that she understands why things are this way. She's very alert tonight and very vocal - which is encouraging. I am so glad that the inside 'pride' is not giving her a hard time (read as 'shakiti' is minding his manners!'.) LOL This could change at any moment thoughboys will be boys, I suppose. Hangin' in... elizabeth and mama kitty On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness that Mama Kitty's fever is gone! So happy that Mama Kitty is doing better!!! I know you are too! :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties). So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us. I am cautiously optimistic. Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away). We'll keep you posted. Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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No, I don't think you made that word up. lol. Necropsy means dead tissue. Or the dying of tissue. Something like that. The only reason I know this is because I had a breast cancer scare this past summer, and the spot on the mammogram turned out to be necropsied tissue, probably from an old sports injury. I was relieved that's all it was. My husband is the pet whisperer, I've decided. He finds lost animals. It's the most uncanny thing. Tonight our neighbor's dogs got out, and they couldn't find them. So after we ate dinner, my husband says out of the blue that he'd like to try to go find the dogs, and I'll be damned if we didn't find them in our car within five minutes. The back of my car is very muddy, but I don't care. I'm so happy they are home. :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sure am! Thanks, Wendy. Mama is inside now in her favorite chair. I let her sit on the porch until past dark -- she just loves all the sights, sounds, and scents. She was an outdoor kitty for so long...I'm assuming before she lived here and for the longest after she took up residence here. The first time she started living inside -- she'd had a terrible bite from a feral...I'm thinking this may be how she got FeVL+ in the first place. She had to have two surgeries...her incision had a drain out of either end of the incision with the first operation...then she had to have the second surgery because some of the tissue had necrotized (did I just make up that word?). We (vet's office and I) had a devil of a time even identifying the points of the bite in the first place until it got very infected. A big ordeal for her and for me. She learned to live inside at that time because she just felt so bad - and she knew I was taking care of her...it wasn't for several months that she had her first crash and we learned that she had FeVL+. She's being a good sport about spending her days indoors. When she is healthy, I don't mind having her sun on the porch all day. She won't leave the porch except to visit the mulch around the roses (strictly on kitty cat business)...but in her state now - I would never forgive myself if one of the neighborhood dogs tried to harass her . She simply would not be able to defend herself in such a weakened state. Yesterday and today she really hasn't had much strength to sit upright...though I did see her sit up a couple of times this afternoon which is a big improvement from yesterday. She's taking it all in stride. I may be wacko (yeah -- I know) - but somehow it seems that she understands why things are this way. She's very alert tonight and very vocal - which is encouraging. I am so glad that the inside 'pride' is not giving her a hard time (read as 'shakiti' is minding his manners!'.) LOL This could change at any moment thoughboys will be boys, I suppose. Hangin' in... elizabeth and mama kitty On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness that Mama Kitty's fever is gone! So happy that Mama Kitty is doing better!!! I know you are too! :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office. The Acemannan came in (less than 24 hours - that was very good). I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up some protest about going to the vet's today. They took her temperature and her fever is gone! She got more fluids today. She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her. Instead of taking us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do procedures and surgery. I've been going there a long time so I guess they know I'm not going to get in the way. Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach. The vet tech holds her standing up and he does the shot. My doctor said that actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin -- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc. We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for one of these shots. Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got home - Mama was feeling even better. The first thing she did was have a few bites of salmon. Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping an eye on that. He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them. They can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast. My understanding is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will drink more water. (I don't think you should use stock that is made with onions because
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Sending positive thoughts for Mama Kitty, hope the 4:00 appointment goes well. Hugs, Beth On 3/20/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty
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Thank you, Beth. I'm having a terrible time focusing on work today. I just want to be with my girl :-( I'm hoping that whatever this is -- we've caught it early. elizabeth On 3/20/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive thoughts for Mama Kitty, hope the 4:00 appointment goes well. Hugs, Beth On 3/20/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty
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Hi Elizabeth, Sweet Mama Kitty will be in my prayers. I hope it's just a rough patch that will be easily gotten over. If she's a little anemic, you might look into Pet Tinic when you take MK to the vet today. Lance On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:18:19 -0500, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you so much, Lance. Mama Kitty has a very strong aversion to Pet Tinnic. I wish I could get her to take it but last time she got some - it upset her so badly that she had a seizure. I promised her that she would never have to take that again. I just wish there were an easy way to get some iron in her. My vet will probably at the very least give her a vitamin B12 shot, a steroid shot, and some antibiotics. I'm just debating whether I need to order a round of Acemannan. I may just be over-reacting here but with this disease you just can't be too careful. elizabeth On 3/20/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elizabeth, Sweet Mama Kitty will be in my prayers. I hope it's just a rough patch that will be easily gotten over. If she's a little anemic, you might look into Pet Tinic when you take MK to the vet today. Lance On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:18:19 -0500, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Elizabeth, If MK won't tolerate the pet tinnic, maybe she would like the raw liver shake? That would help get more iron into her. I will keep both of you in my prayers for a positive 4:00 Appointment. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, elizabeth trent wrote: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:39:13 -0500 From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mama Kitty Thank you so much, Lance. Mama Kitty has a very strong aversion to Pet Tinnic. I wish I could get her to take it but last time she got some - it upset her so badly that she had a seizure. I promised her that she would never have to take that again. I just wish there were an easy way to get some iron in her. My vet will probably at the very least give her a vitamin B12 shot, a steroid shot, and some antibiotics. I'm just debating whether I need to order a round of Acemannan. I may just be over-reacting here but with this disease you just can't be too careful. elizabeth
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Sending healing vibes for your little Mama Kitty, Elizabeth. It does sound like she could be anemic from what you say. It's great that you have a vet apptment this afternoon. I hope it's just an infection and she's bouncing around again soon. Please let us know how you get on when you have time, hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mama Kitty I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers' particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thank you so much, Wendy. I remember when I first joined too -- you were one of the first people I talked to and you helped me feel so much better about everything. Thank you for being there. elizabeth On 3/20/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, Prayers going out for Mama Kitty. I can't believe it's been a whole year since you joined this list. I remember when you did. And Mama Kitty has done wonderfully all that time. I hope your vet visit goes well and it's nothing serious. Whatever the problem is, hopefully you've caught in enough time to be effective in combating it. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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Hi Elizabeth, I know how scary it is when our babies show any change in behavior. Try not to stress out too much before you know what's going on. (I know easier said than done). You're hyper vigilant enough to have caught this early and it's wonderful that you already have a vet appointment scheduled. Let's wait and see what the vet has to say before we freak out. Since Mama responded so well to the Acemannan before, I'd go ahead and order it, better to have it and not need it then the other way around. I agree completely about keeping our promises, (re: pet-tinic), ask the vet what you could substitute as a supplement instead. I read a good website a while back, I think it was from a CRF group talking about comparable things to pet-tinic. I'll look for it as soon as I'm done typing this. Prayers that Mama is just not feeling well right now, (hey we all have our off days), and that she bounces back quickly. Hugs to you, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Thank you so much, Lance. Mama Kitty has a very strong aversion to Pet Tinnic. I wish I could get her to take it but last time she got some - it upset her so badly that she had a seizure. I promised her that she would never have to take that again. I just wish there were an easy way to get some iron in her. My vet will probably at the very least give her a vitamin B12 shot, a steroid shot, and some antibiotics. I'm just debating whether I need to order a round of Acemannan. I may just be over-reacting here but with this disease you just can't be too careful. elizabeth
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Anytime...We have the best little network here. We are very lucky to have one another, since this virus is so hard to deal with sometimes. When I am able to help someone here, it makes me feel so good. I'll probably be typing posts here until I'm 90 years old. lol! If the Acemannan was very helpful for Mama Kitty, I would go ahead and order it, especially if it helps anemia. I can't remember if it does. But the fact that she's lethargic AND demonstrating signs of Pica, she could be anemic. She's SO lucky to have you Elizabeth. :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much, Wendy. I remember when I first joined too -- you were one of the first people I talked to and you helped me feel so much better about everything. Thank you for being there. elizabeth On 3/20/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, Prayers going out for Mama Kitty. I can't believe it's been a whole year since you joined this list. I remember when you did. And Mama Kitty has done wonderfully all that time. I hope your vet visit goes well and it's nothing serious. Whatever the problem is, hopefully you've caught in enough time to be effective in combating it. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. :) Wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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Here's the webpage I was thinking about: http://members.verizon.net/~vze2r6qt/supplies/vitaminb.htm http://members.verizon.net/%7Evze2r6qt/supplies/vitaminb.htm They are mostly talking about Vita B supplements, but if you scroll down you'll see discussion on pet tinic and comparable brands. I'll keep looking for alternatives to pet tinic for iron supplement. Of course we don't know if Mama is really anemic, and even if she is, not all anemia responds to iron supplementation. Nina Nina wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I know how scary it is when our babies show any change in behavior. Try not to stress out too much before you know what's going on. (I know easier said than done). You're hyper vigilant enough to have caught this early and it's wonderful that you already have a vet appointment scheduled. Let's wait and see what the vet has to say before we freak out. Since Mama responded so well to the Acemannan before, I'd go ahead and order it, better to have it and not need it then the other way around. I agree completely about keeping our promises, (re: pet-tinic), ask the vet what you could substitute as a supplement instead. I read a good website a while back, I think it was from a CRF group talking about comparable things to pet-tinic. I'll look for it as soon as I'm done typing this. Prayers that Mama is just not feeling well right now, (hey we all have our off days), and that she bounces back quickly. Hugs to you, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Thank you so much, Lance. Mama Kitty has a very strong aversion to Pet Tinnic. I wish I could get her to take it but last time she got some - it upset her so badly that she had a seizure. I promised her that she would never have to take that again. I just wish there were an easy way to get some iron in her. My vet will probably at the very least give her a vitamin B12 shot, a steroid shot, and some antibiotics. I'm just debating whether I need to order a round of Acemannan. I may just be over-reacting here but with this disease you just can't be too careful. elizabeth
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Thank you for those comforting words, Nina. It isn't always easy to take a step back, take a deep breath, and properly access the situation. Thank you for looking for substitute items. I keep looking over my shoulder here to see if the internet police at work are coming around. elizabeth On 3/20/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I know how scary it is when our babies show any change in behavior. Try not to stress out too much before you know what's going on. (I know easier said than done). You're hyper vigilant enough to have caught this early and it's wonderful that you already have a vet appointment scheduled. Let's wait and see what the vet has to say before we freak out. Since Mama responded so well to the Acemannan before, I'd go ahead and order it, better to have it and not need it then the other way around. I agree completely about keeping our promises, (re: pet-tinic), ask the vet what you could substitute as a supplement instead. I read a good website a while back, I think it was from a CRF group talking about comparable things to pet-tinic. I'll look for it as soon as I'm done typing this. Prayers that Mama is just not feeling well right now, (hey we all have our off days), and that she bounces back quickly. Hugs to you, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Thank you so much, Lance. Mama Kitty has a very strong aversion to Pet Tinnic. I wish I could get her to take it but last time she got some - it upset her so badly that she had a seizure. I promised her that she would never have to take that again. I just wish there were an easy way to get some iron in her. My vet will probably at the very least give her a vitamin B12 shot, a steroid shot, and some antibiotics. I'm just debating whether I need to order a round of Acemannan. I may just be over-reacting here but with this disease you just can't be too careful. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty
Elizabeth, I agree the iron and vitamin b taste pretty bad, maybe you can get the b injection (Fred gets these and doesn't mind them at all), and supplement the folic acid in her food. I have folic acid capsules and they are very small, I open them and sprinkle the powder on food. I know that iron also comes in an injection because that is what Bailey got. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Mama Kitty Update
MC, I'm so grateful for my vet. Even if we do live in the middle of nowhere in Alabama, I think it was very insightful for him to order the transdermal antibiotics with prednisone. A little extra expense and trouble but I think it was worth it. Mama Kitty wasn't exactly what I would have called feral - but she lived outside on her own roaming around for a good while before she chose this as her home and she's not at all comfortable with taking medicine. With this transdermal gel, while I'm rubbing her I just massage the medicine into her ear (with one of those finger cots so that I'm not the one absorbing it) - and it is totally stress-free for her. I figured she was a bit chilly with that fever so I warmed up some towels in the dryer and covered her. She seems to like that. She seems a lot more alert since I brought her home - I know those fluids really helped. I would never have guessed that she was so dehydrated because I saw her drinking water. I also got some rescue rememdy for her since we're going to be making weekly trips with the treatment and I'm have some lavender scented oil going in there to help make her calm. According to our best guess, Mama Kitty should be 4 years old this summer. We are totally guessing though. When she decided to live here -- she just wander up, took residence and then had 12 (count them - TWELVE) babies. (that's how she got her name). She was the BEST mommy -- she took excellent care of those babies. I have the little runt of the litter now -- Tori...and they do not get along. Isn't that just like a mother and daughter? :0) Trying to take deep breaths here. I'm going to call the vet tomorrow to see if I can get some clarification on these HCT numbers. 10.6 is scary low. Her gums weren't nearly as pale as they were the first time I brought her in though. I am hanging on to the hope that we have caught this early and that she has time and good nutrition on her side. Oh - one thing I did ask about today was if they did transfusions and if they had success doing that with cats. The vet tech's eyes lit up (I think she is tops) and said that she is an expert with that and that this has saved a lot of lives. She said something I didn't realize -- that with cats - you only get one chance to transfuse before you have to have a perfect match (this is not the case with dogs)...but they have this product they use (can't remember the name but it begins with 'oxy')..and with this product, they don't have to have an exact match and that it does an excellent job of transferring oxygen through the blood, etc. I was very glad to hear this. I don't know if we will ever resort to such measures but it is very comforting to know that they are set up to do it and that they have a high success rate. Sorry - this is such a long book - but the vet tech today told me that at least in this area - one in every seven cats has FeVL+. That seems like a very high number. elizabeth On 3/20/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, i'm glad you went, too! keeping all the paws in the house crossed that she responds as quickly and as well as she did last year--and, with you, grateful that she's helped educate another group of vets MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Mama Kitty Update
Sounds like you caught this in time, so hopefully Mama Kitty will pull through this rough spot. It's too bad our kitties don't show signs of being sick until they are really sick. It sounds like Mama Kitty is in good hands, i'm sending prayers your way. Cassandra - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Mama Kitty Update We are back from the vet's office. I am very glad we went. Last year, when I first took Mama Kitty in and found out that she was FeVL+, she weighed about 7lbs. She was so anemic that they didn't want to take her blood. She had no fever and so they thought this was a very grave situation because her body wasn't even fighting and they recommended that we say goodbye. After steroids, antibiotics, vitamin B12 and Acemannan, she was like a new kitty...even playing with her toys and chasing the laser. Mama Kitty has had a bit of a crash today, however. She didn't even protest when I put her in the pet taxi - so I know she did not feel well. She had a temperature of 104. Weighed 9lbs. She was dehydrated. They did a full blood panel on her - she is very anemic. When they picked her up to weigh her, she 'leaked' some very concentrated urine and so they aspirated her bladder and did a urinalysis too. Her liver enzymes are slighly elevated but they didn't seem to think that was serious. They gave her fluids, a Vitamin B12, a Benz-Dex shot, and an antibiotic shot (all in one so she only got stuck once) and then they called the compounding pharmacy and got them to make a transdermal gel of doxycycline and prednison. They ordered the Acemannan while I was there and it should be here in a couple of days. I have some conflicting stats here -- the vet told me that her hematacrit(sp) was about 17 and a half - but this printout I have says HTC is 10.6%. I sure hope this print-out is wrong. I know they ran the test more than once. They also tested again for FeVL+ has she has a faint positive. Her RBC is 2.35LR1 (normal is 5-11)...Hb is 4.6L (normal is 8-15). Her white blood cell counts are moderately low. It isn't what you want to hear but I do think we are far better off than we were when I took her in last summer. The fluids made her feel a little better and she ate a few bites of chicken hearts and liver. The vet recommended that I try to encourage her to eat. He wanted to give her Pet Tinnic but there is just no way that Mama Kitty will tolerate that. I am very glad that my vet is willing to help in any way he can. He's come a long way from recommending that Mama be PTS last summer. She's had a wonderful quality of life since the Acemannan and I am hoping we can help her through this rough spot. She's resting comfortably now and is perkier than when I took her in this afternoon. She's getting love of love. Thank you for your kind thoughts and prayers. elizabeth and Mama Kitty -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM
Re: Mama Kitty Update
Thank you so much, Cassandra. You are right -- it is SO hard to tell when they are sick. I always feel guilty when someone gets sick since I work full time and have eight babies. I try very hard to stay in tune with each one but it is not easy. Mama is a lot more comfortable since the fluids and the meds. When I'm in the room with her - she watches my every move. Much more alert than she was. I've got a heating pad beside her covered in flannel and towels in case she wants it. She's resting her head on it now. I'm going to open up some wild Alaska Salmon for her in a bit...of coursethen ALL the kids will have to have some LOL I'm encouraged that she did eat a few bites this afternoon. I'm going to put on her Vivaldi CD...it's her favorite. elizabeth On 3/20/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you caught this in time, so hopefully Mama Kitty will pull through this rough spot. It's too bad our kitties don't show signs of being sick until they are really sick. It sounds like Mama Kitty is in good hands, i'm sending prayers your way. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:39 PM *Subject:* Mama Kitty Update We are back from the vet's office. I am very glad we went. Last year, when I first took Mama Kitty in and found out that she was FeVL+, she weighed about 7lbs. She was so anemic that they didn't want to take her blood. She had no fever and so they thought this was a very grave situation because her body wasn't even fighting and they recommended that we say goodbye. After steroids, antibiotics, vitamin B12 and Acemannan, she was like a new kitty...even playing with her toys and chasing the laser. Mama Kitty has had a bit of a crash today, however. She didn't even protest when I put her in the pet taxi - so I know she did not feel well. She had a temperature of 104. Weighed 9lbs. She was dehydrated. They did a full blood panel on her - she is very anemic. When they picked her up to weigh her, she 'leaked' some very concentrated urine and so they aspirated her bladder and did a urinalysis too. Her liver enzymes are slighly elevated but they didn't seem to think that was serious. They gave her fluids, a Vitamin B12, a Benz-Dex shot, and an antibiotic shot (all in one so she only got stuck once) and then they called the compounding pharmacy and got them to make a transdermal gel of doxycycline and prednison. They ordered the Acemannan while I was there and it should be here in a couple of days. I have some conflicting stats here -- the vet told me that her hematacrit(sp) was about 17 and a half - but this printout I have says HTC is 10.6%. I sure hope this print-out is wrong. I know they ran the test more than once. They also tested again for FeVL+ has she has a faint positive. Her RBC is 2.35LR1 (normal is 5-11)...Hb is 4.6L (normal is 8-15). Her white blood cell counts are moderately low. It isn't what you want to hear but I do think we are far better off than we were when I took her in last summer. The fluids made her feel a little better and she ate a few bites of chicken hearts and liver. The vet recommended that I try to encourage her to eat. He wanted to give her Pet Tinnic but there is just no way that Mama Kitty will tolerate that. I am very glad that my vet is willing to help in any way he can. He's come a long way from recommending that Mama be PTS last summer. She's had a wonderful quality of life since the Acemannan and I am hoping we can help her through this rough spot. She's resting comfortably now and is perkier than when I took her in this afternoon. She's getting love of love. Thank you for your kind thoughts and prayers. elizabeth and Mama Kitty -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM
Re: Mama Kitty Update
Mama Kitty had a few good bites of Salmon a bit ago and she purred for the first time today just now when I petted her. I'm hoping that's a good sign. elizabeth On 3/20/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much, Cassandra. You are right -- it is SO hard to tell when they are sick. I always feel guilty when someone gets sick since I work full time and have eight babies. I try very hard to stay in tune with each one but it is not easy. Mama is a lot more comfortable since the fluids and the meds. When I'm in the room with her - she watches my every move. Much more alert than she was. I've got a heating pad beside her covered in flannel and towels in case she wants it. She's resting her head on it now. I'm going to open up some wild Alaska Salmon for her in a bit...of coursethen ALL the kids will have to have some LOL I'm encouraged that she did eat a few bites this afternoon. I'm going to put on her Vivaldi CD...it's her favorite. elizabeth On 3/20/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you caught this in time, so hopefully Mama Kitty will pull through this rough spot. It's too bad our kitties don't show signs of being sick until they are really sick. It sounds like Mama Kitty is in good hands, i'm sending prayers your way. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:39 PM *Subject:* Mama Kitty Update We are back from the vet's office. I am very glad we went. Last year, when I first took Mama Kitty in and found out that she was FeVL+, she weighed about 7lbs. She was so anemic that they didn't want to take her blood. She had no fever and so they thought this was a very grave situation because her body wasn't even fighting and they recommended that we say goodbye. After steroids, antibiotics, vitamin B12 and Acemannan, she was like a new kitty...even playing with her toys and chasing the laser. Mama Kitty has had a bit of a crash today, however. She didn't even protest when I put her in the pet taxi - so I know she did not feel well. She had a temperature of 104. Weighed 9lbs. She was dehydrated. They did a full blood panel on her - she is very anemic. When they picked her up to weigh her, she 'leaked' some very concentrated urine and so they aspirated her bladder and did a urinalysis too. Her liver enzymes are slighly elevated but they didn't seem to think that was serious. They gave her fluids, a Vitamin B12, a Benz-Dex shot, and an antibiotic shot (all in one so she only got stuck once) and then they called the compounding pharmacy and got them to make a transdermal gel of doxycycline and prednison. They ordered the Acemannan while I was there and it should be here in a couple of days. I have some conflicting stats here -- the vet told me that her hematacrit(sp) was about 17 and a half - but this printout I have says HTC is 10.6%. I sure hope this print-out is wrong. I know they ran the test more than once. They also tested again for FeVL+ has she has a faint positive. Her RBC is 2.35LR1 (normal is 5-11)...Hb is 4.6L (normal is 8-15). Her white blood cell counts are moderately low. It isn't what you want to hear but I do think we are far better off than we were when I took her in last summer. The fluids made her feel a little better and she ate a few bites of chicken hearts and liver. The vet recommended that I try to encourage her to eat. He wanted to give her Pet Tinnic but there is just no way that Mama Kitty will tolerate that. I am very glad that my vet is willing to help in any way he can. He's come a long way from recommending that Mama be PTS last summer. She's had a wonderful quality of life since the Acemannan and I am hoping we can help her through this rough spot. She's resting comfortably now and is perkier than when I took her in this afternoon. She's getting love of love. Thank you for your kind thoughts and prayers. elizabeth and Mama Kitty -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM
Re: Mama Kitty Update
Elizabeth, I am so glad you took Mama Kitty in to the vet too! Paying close attention to our furbabies can be the difference between life and death sometimes. Bless you for taking her in so quickly. I am sorry to hear that she is anemic. But since she bounced back last year so well, I don't see any reason why she can't this year. Did you say the Acemannan is for anemia? Aren't you glad the company that manufactures it isn't having the issues they had a few months ago, now?! I will keep her in my prayers. Please keep us posted on her progress. Thinking of you both... :) Wendy Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
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Elizabeth, She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the overpowering taste. Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. I just put some in Fred's food when I make a batch. He gets fed through the feeding tube so no fuss from him:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hey Elizabeth, They say that wisdom comes with age, and ten years ago, I would not have agreed with you. But having a little more experience now, I totally agree with you regarding confronting your neighbors. However, I did confront my other neighbor about their dog who chased Cricket up a brick column, which ripped out all of his back nails and caused him to get a HORRIBLE infection that almost killed him with the vet's help. I did knock on my neighbor's door, started crying, told her about the $200 vet bill and how Cricket had almost died, and that I lost 2 personal days at work, and asked if she could do a better job of keeping her dog in. (It had been a problem in the past). Haven't seen him out since (except for her a-hole ex-husband, who lets him out to poop on my lawn just to make trouble when he's there to see the kids). He's a real jerk, and imagine this, a deacon at my church! No wonder some people think Christians are hypocrites! lol. Anyway, you are smart to sit back and wait. Your intuition is invaluable. I do agree that it was bad taste to not check on Mama Kitty. Some people just don't have basic social skills, imo. I think the litter idea is great. Do whatever works. You can eventually start mixing litter a little at a time to get her to use whatever you really want her to use. Love the pic of her!!! I LOVE her markings!!! So glad to hear she's doing fine after her battle with the dog! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Elizabeth re. Mama Kitty
Hey Elizabeth, I am so sorry that Mama Kitty was attacked by that dog!I know exactly how you feel. Our Julie had the same thing happen. The neighbor's dog (a big boxer) got out of their fence and came into our garage while Julie was sleeping, while my husband was cleaning his car right there, and before my husband knew it, the dog had her head in his mouth and was shaking her like a rag doll! Poor thing. That's the day she came inside the house permanently. How is Mama Kitty doing now? I haven't read all the posts yet, so you've probably aready answered this. I hope she's ok! Poor baby. You'll just have to spoil her a little more than normal for the next few weeks. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Elizabeth re. Mama Kitty
Thank you, Wendy. I'm spoiling her at every opportunity. I've been debating whether to confront my neighbor about this issue. I just hate having my first encounter with the neighbors being so negative though. Now that I've calmed down and had some time to reflect - I know that they really did not mean for the dog to get out and were racing to remedy the problem at the time it happened. They've lived there at least a couple of years and that is the first time it has happened and I really think there was some kind of turmoil going on at their house. (This does not excuse not even asking if Mama was OK though) I don't have a problem opening up a can of "whoop-ass" when need be but my gut instinct tells me to wait and to not be threatening - I've learned to follow my instincts. I've also learned that onceI've unleashed a'can' ...therer's no undoing it. Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to transition Mama Kitty into an indoor kitty. She spent the past two nights inside. She doesn't have the natural litter box know-how inborn to so many cats and so I do periodically let her out to take care of business...but then I've been convincing her to come back in. She's inside now and happy in her little nest on the couch. Her favorite 'ladies room' material is mulch so I'm wondering ifthe 'feline pine' litter might make it easier for her to transition? If I filled a litter box with pine bark mulch from the yard - she would know exactly what to do. She seems to be ok. She is very affectionate and a lot more willing to come inside so this may just be an opportunity to provide a safer environment for her. When 'macat' sent the email about the kitty dying from shock it really blew my mind. That could have happened to Mama Kitty after this incident. They truly are more fragile than you think. Here's a picture of Mama Kitty that was taken last Tuesday by a photographer who came here to photograph Indigo Buntings. At least before this last incident - she truly seems happier and healthier than she has ever been... http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MommaCat.jpg Thank you to everyone - you've been so supportive through this. I'll never confess to being a girl who leans on people or who ever needed support for anything - but I just don't know what I would do without you all on this list. elizabeth In a message dated 8/19/2006 7:44:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Elizabeth,I am so sorry that Mama Kitty was attacked by thatdog! I know exactly how you feel. Our Julie hadthe same thing happen. The neighbor's dog (a bigboxer) got out of their fence and came into our garagewhile Julie was sleeping, while my husband wascleaning his car right there, and before my husbandknew it, the dog had her head in his mouth and wasshaking her like a rag doll! Poor thing. That's theday she came inside the house permanently. How isMama Kitty doing now? I haven't read all the postsyet, so you've probably aready answered this. I hopeshe's ok! Poor baby. You'll just have to spoil her alittle more than normal for the next few weeks. :)Wendy
Re: Mama Kitty and Shakiti Update
I'm glad to hear MK is doing better, although I do feel bad for those bunnies. Are you giving her the b12 shots at home? Is that the only reason she had to go to the vet? There not hard to do, they're given subq. Why don't you ask your vet to show you how? How many bunnies do they usually have at a time? Do you think there are any left? I know your cats would be terribly upset if you kept them confined, (just long enough for those bunnies to learn how to run!), but... I keep my kids in when baby bird season is in full swing., (they all come in at night anyway). Ursula has a bell on her that is so large it seems to be dragged rather than carried, but it doesn't stop her from catching the fledglings. It takes about two days of me telling them sorry, Momma likes the birds alive, but they get the picture that I'm not going to relent and let them outside and settle down. It's very troubling that Shakiti isn't able to hold any food in his belly. I sure hope that changes with the AD. Sweet little lamb. Let's not even talk about vet bills! I swear I'm putting their kids through college all on my own. I'll be thinking of you guys, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got back from the vet's. Mama Kitty has gained another 1/4th pound this week! She must be feeling a lot better since she brought me headless baby bunny #3 for the 3rd day in a row :-/ It absolutely kills me that she does that but she presents them with such pride in her eyes at the front door where they may be properly showcased. Doesn't seem that the new collar with the bell is much deterrent. I've never known her to bring gifts before - I must be very special indeed. We are through with the Acemannan treatments for now and just continuing with B12 shots as her only treatment..besides consideration to diet and supplements. I don't see any sign of her 3rd eyelid anymore and she's eating her dry food and almost a whole littlecan of food every day. She seems as healthy and alert as I have ever seen her. Shakiti is home. He instinctively went tothe community buffetbut after a minute gave a little yowl and then barfed. (Shakiti normally communicates with this same yowl...even if he justwants someone to play with him or he is talking to his 'spirit friends' that no one else can see...) I'm going to get him settled in andlet his tummy settle downand then try to get some of the A/C down him withsome gentle coaxing tonight. I also have some other goodies for him that might be easy on the tummy. I'm just trying to keep things quiet and calm. My vet is $350 richer this week but it's a small price to pay for piece of mind that my kids are ok. You guys helped me to feel I did the right thing in taking the floss incident seriously and we very well could have savedhis life. Thank you all for being there and for the excellent suggestions on the food, etc. and the moral support. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty and Shakiti Update
I'm with you on the bunny thing. She has never hurt any wild creatures before - and I keep 10 bird feeders (it's cat TV ya know). Even with baby birds on my porch 3 feet from the front door she's never beforehad the slightest inclination to do harm. Mama is the only one who goes outside unescorted. I have baby bunnies every year (usually in the oregano patch) and I'm not sure how many are in a litter. I think I may keep her in over the weekend. She usually stays right on the porch and never leaves the yard but she's been a very bad girl these past 3 days. I found her this afternoon underneath the pompous grass and so I'm wondering if that isn't where the bunnies are. It's hard to scold her when she is so radiant...feeling good and so proud of herself. Yes - the B12 shot was the only reason Mama went in today(that and to weigh) - but you are right there is no reason why I couldn't learn to do that myself. To be honest, lately I've thought that with so many cats it might not be a bad idea to train as a vet tech. (of course, I have about as much spare time as an ant at a picnic). I will askthe doctorabout that. He only charges me about $10 for the shot anyway - and I couldn't ask for one who is more understanding. In a message dated 6/23/2006 5:48:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad to hear MK is doing better, although I do feel bad for those bunnies. Are you giving her the b12 shots at home? Is that the only reason she had to go to the vet? There not hard to do, they're given subq. Why don't you ask your vet to show you how? How many bunnies do they usually have at a time? Do you think there are any left? I know your cats would be terribly upset if you kept them confined, (just long enough for those bunnies to learn how to run!), but... I keep my kids in when baby bird season is in full swing., (they all come in at night anyway). Ursula has a bell on her that is so large it seems to be dragged rather than carried, but it doesn't stop her from catching the fledglings. It takes about two days of me telling them sorry, Momma likes the birds alive, but they get the picture that I'm not going to relent and let them outside and settle down.It's very troubling that Shakiti isn't able to hold any food in his belly. I sure hope that changes with the AD. Sweet little lamb. Let's not even talk about vet bills! I swear I'm putting their kids through college all on my own. I'll be thinking of you guys,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got back from the vet's. Mama Kitty has gained another 1/4th pound this week! She must be feeling a lot better since she brought me headless baby bunny #3 for the 3rd day in a row :-/ It absolutely kills me that she does that but she presents them with such pride in her eyes at the front door where they may be properly showcased. Doesn't seem that the new collar with the bell is much deterrent. I've never known her to bring gifts before - I must be very special indeed. We are through with the Acemannan treatments for now and just continuing with B12 shots as her only treatment..besides consideration to diet and supplements. I don't see any sign of her 3rd eyelid anymore and she's eating her dry food and almost a whole littlecan of food every day. She seems as healthy and alert as I have ever seen her. Shakiti is home. He instinctively went tothe community buffetbut after a minute gave a little yowl and then barfed. (Shakiti normally communicates with this same yowl...even if he justwants someone to play with him or he is talking to his 'spirit friends' that no one else can see...) I'm going to get him settled in andlet his tummy settle downand then try to get some of the A/C down him withsome gentle coaxing tonight. I also have some other goodies for him that might be easy on the tummy. I'm just trying to keep things quiet and calm. My vet is $350 richer this week but it's a small price to pay for piece of mind that my kids are ok. You guys helped me to feel I did the right thing in taking the floss incident seriously and we very well could have savedhis life. Thank you all for being there and for the excellent suggestions on the food, etc. and the moral support. elizabeth
Re: Mama Kitty
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Mama Kitty looks great!! Thanks for sharing the good news! yvonne In a message dated 6/17/2006 2:46:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still fairly new to the list here -- but reading faithfully and going through it all with you guys. In review - Mama Kitty was FeVL+ symptomatic six weeks ago- had lost 14% of her body weight, was very anemic,and did not have a good prognosis before I began a five week treatment with acemannon tummy shots and supplements including colostrum. (initial treatment included ammoxi and short-acting corticosteroid shot...)Since, she has gained weight - continues to improve...plays with her toys again and raced like a mad woman across the yard and more than six feet up a big oak treerecently:0) To be honest -- I don't know exactly where we stand now -- but this morning I asked Mama Kitty how she was feeling. You can see from the picture she says, "I'm feeling pretty good right now!" http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG Just praying for good days and hoping to spread a little hope :0) head butts andkittie kisses to you all.
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ADORABLE!!! :) I'm so happy to hear she's doing great! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:54 pm Subject: Mama Kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Still fairly new to the list here -- but reading faithfully and going through it all with you guys. In review - Mama Kitty was FeVL+ symptomatic six weeks ago - had lost 14% of her body weight, was very anemic, and did not have a good prognosis before I began a five week treatment with acemannon tummy shots and supplements including colostrum. (initial treatment included ammoxi and short- acting corticosteroid shot...) Since, she has gained weight - continues to improve...plays with her toys again and raced like a mad woman across the yard and more than six feet up a big oak tree recently :0) To be honest -- I don't know exactly where we stand now -- but this morning I asked Mama Kitty how she was feeling. You can see from the picture she says, I'm feeling pretty good right now! _http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG_ (http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG) Just praying for good days and hoping to spread a little hope :0) head butts and kittie kisses to you all.
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her mouth looks nice and pink now! Looks GOOD! Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
