Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Don Hart wrote: When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard, I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don I heard that Finale 1.0 didn't work in a blizzard. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Darcy James Argue wrote: Good UI would be: 1) The first time you try to optimize systems with a group set to Only optimize if all staves are empty, Finale should warn you (with a Don't Show Again box, of course). This question about optimizing staves out of piano parts comes up ALL THE TIME on the list, so obviously the default behavior is confusing to a lot of people. For many types of music, it would be totally wrong to optimize out just one of the staves of a piano part. Displaying a warning box about this, would invite users to think that's it would always be ok to optimize out single staves from a piano grand staff. 2) The first time you try to change optimization settings in Page View (or group name, etc.), Finale should warn you that changes to these settings made in Page View affect that system only -- and offer options to Apply these settings to all systems, Apply to system range, and Apply to only this system. Again with a Don't Show Again box -- so people who like the current system can continue as they are accustomed to -- but that way, new users are not baffled. That would be a lousy UI, IMO. Changing the optimization settings for a group attached to a staff system would never do anything, so a better UI would be to disable the group optimization settings when editing a group attached to a specific system. Also, I personally don't think that having alert boxes poping up all over the place is what makes a good UI. If there are too many of them, people tend to stop reading them. It *is* counter-intuitive to have the same command yield different results depending on whether you are in Scroll View or Page View. The -- quite reasonable -- assumption is that these are just two different VIEWS, and that they do not cause commands to behave differently. We all know otherwise through bitter experience, but it's still lousy UI. If you drag staff handles verticaly in Scroll View, what should happen in Page View to make it behave exactly the same in both views? And if you drag a staff handle in a staff set (which still would be Scroll View)? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
dhbailey / 05.2.3 / 05:53 AM wrote: I heard that Finale 1.0 didn't work in a blizzard. It (barely) worked in Boston, on 512k and MacPlus, with crashes, of course. Winter in Boston is pretty windy. My ex-roommate who was from Alaska said you feel less cold in Alaska since you don't have windy snow like Boston does. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Okay, I heard from the iKey developer and he was singularly unhelpful -- any solution seems to require booting from the old machine, which I no longer own. Even though I have a backup of all the *data* on that old machine, apparently iKey can't actually read any of that data unless it's been exported. GAAH. I did figure out a solution that doesn't require me to re-program everything: 1) Open the Disk Image I saved of my old HD. 2) Create a bootable backup of this Disk Image on my FireWire HD using Carbon Copy Cloner (this involves destroying my current bootable backup). 3) Boot from the FireWire HD and launch the old copy of iKey. 4) Export the iKey Finale shortcuts and save them to the internal HD on my new computer. 5) Reboot from the internal HD on my new computer. 6) Launch the new copy of iKey and import the exported Finale shortcuts. 7) Re-create my Carbon Copy Cloner backup. This is just f***ing ridiculous. Without that external FW drive and Carbon Copy Cloner, this would not even have been possible, even though I have **all my old iKey data** backed up. This is absolutely the last straw -- as soon as I get a day free to re-program my Finale shortcuts, I'm switching to QuicKeys 3.0 and never looking back. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Feb 2005, at 11:56 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Steve, I can't go back to iKey 1.x because iKey *destroys* your 1.x shortcuts in the process of importing them into iKey 2.x. That's the only reason -- otherwise, I would have gone back to 1.x immediately. Also, I can't export shortcuts on the old machine because I *sold* the old machine. I have a Carbon Copy Cloner-created disk image backup on my FireWire HD, but I don't know how to boot from a disk image. In fact, I don't know if that's even possible. Honestly, I didn't worry about making a *bootable* backup of my old Mac because I didn't think there was any need -- and I was more concerned about making the CCC backup of my *current* machine bootable. I have the Finale2005a.plist backup -- isn't that enough? Why do you have to export shortcuts first??? Surely what I want is possible? If not, I'm f***ing done with iKey. F*** them. I'd rather spend money I don't have on QuicKeys 3.0 than f*** around any longer with this goddamn iKey trainwreck. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Feb 2005, at 9:38 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: First of all, why are you using iKeys 2? Can't you go back to vers. 1? In any event in the iKey2 editor on the old machine File-export, on the new file-Import. Does this work for you? steve On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were already in iKey 2.0 format. How is this done? I've checked the iKey manual, but it says nothing about transferring shortcuts from another machine -- only updating from iKey 1.0. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Here's a fresh wrinkle -- I discovered the cloned version of my old HD will not boot the Mac mini. The mini is too new, and requires special code to boot that has not yet been added to the general release of Mac OS X. (It will probably be added in OS X 10.3.8). So I can't boot from a cloned copy of my old HD after all. Wonderful. At this point, it would probably take *less* time just to start over from scratch in QuicKeys. For the record, this is the *fourth* time I've had to reprogram all of my shortcuts from scratch. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 9:41 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Okay, I heard from the iKey developer and he was singularly unhelpful -- any solution seems to require booting from the old machine, which I no longer own. Even though I have a backup of all the *data* on that old machine, apparently iKey can't actually read any of that data unless it's been exported. GAAH. I did figure out a solution that doesn't require me to re-program everything: 1) Open the Disk Image I saved of my old HD. 2) Create a bootable backup of this Disk Image on my FireWire HD using Carbon Copy Cloner (this involves destroying my current bootable backup). 3) Boot from the FireWire HD and launch the old copy of iKey. 4) Export the iKey Finale shortcuts and save them to the internal HD on my new computer. 5) Reboot from the internal HD on my new computer. 6) Launch the new copy of iKey and import the exported Finale shortcuts. 7) Re-create my Carbon Copy Cloner backup. This is just f***ing ridiculous. Without that external FW drive and Carbon Copy Cloner, this would not even have been possible, even though I have **all my old iKey data** backed up. This is absolutely the last straw -- as soon as I get a day free to re-program my Finale shortcuts, I'm switching to QuicKeys 3.0 and never looking back. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Feb 2005, at 11:56 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Steve, I can't go back to iKey 1.x because iKey *destroys* your 1.x shortcuts in the process of importing them into iKey 2.x. That's the only reason -- otherwise, I would have gone back to 1.x immediately. Also, I can't export shortcuts on the old machine because I *sold* the old machine. I have a Carbon Copy Cloner-created disk image backup on my FireWire HD, but I don't know how to boot from a disk image. In fact, I don't know if that's even possible. Honestly, I didn't worry about making a *bootable* backup of my old Mac because I didn't think there was any need -- and I was more concerned about making the CCC backup of my *current* machine bootable. I have the Finale2005a.plist backup -- isn't that enough? Why do you have to export shortcuts first??? Surely what I want is possible? If not, I'm f***ing done with iKey. F*** them. I'd rather spend money I don't have on QuicKeys 3.0 than f*** around any longer with this goddamn iKey trainwreck. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Feb 2005, at 9:38 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: First of all, why are you using iKeys 2? Can't you go back to vers. 1? In any event in the iKey2 editor on the old machine File-export, on the new file-Import. Does this work for you? steve On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were already in iKey 2.0 format. How is this done? I've checked the iKey manual, but it says nothing about transferring shortcuts from another machine -- only updating from iKey 1.0. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Darcy James Argue / 05.2.3 / 10:00 AM wrote: Here's a fresh wrinkle -- I discovered the cloned version of my old HD will not boot the Mac mini. The mini is too new, and requires special code to boot that has not yet been added to the general release of Mac OS X. (It will probably be added in OS X 10.3.8). Not that I doubt your knowledge, but you sure about this? OSX, by it's spec, is not ROM specific like Classic MacOSes used to be. Installer is the only one machine specific because they are freebies. Have you tried blessing your restored boot volume? DW can do it, I think. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
dhbailey wrote: I heard that Finale 1.0 didn't work in a blizzard. Which version of Finale was it that included stencils for cutting clefs and noteheads out of raw potatoes? Those were the days of real engraving! Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
I'm positive Hiro. There was a tech note about this. This is normal, BTW -- new Macs can never boot a version of the OS older than they shipped with. So, for instance, you cannot install 10.2.x, or even 10.3.6 -- or, as I found out, the standard version of 10.3.7 -- on the Mac mini. Anyway, the boot from the cloned old HD *looks* like it's working, but it stalls fatally at Starting Apple File System every time. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 10:10 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.2.3 / 10:00 AM wrote: Here's a fresh wrinkle -- I discovered the cloned version of my old HD will not boot the Mac mini. The mini is too new, and requires special code to boot that has not yet been added to the general release of Mac OS X. (It will probably be added in OS X 10.3.8). Not that I doubt your knowledge, but you sure about this? OSX, by it's spec, is not ROM specific like Classic MacOSes used to be. Installer is the only one machine specific because they are freebies. Have you tried blessing your restored boot volume? DW can do it, I think. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Darcy James Argue / 05.2.3 / 10:32 AM wrote: I'm positive Hiro. There was a tech note about this. This is normal, BTW -- new Macs can never boot a version of the OS older than they shipped with. So, for instance, you cannot install 10.2.x, or even 10.3.6 -- or, as I found out, the standard version of 10.3.7 -- on the Mac mini. Oh I see. Your image is not OSX10.3.7 then. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Uphill, both ways. On 2/3/05 4:53 AM, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Don Hart wrote: When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard, I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don I heard that Finale 1.0 didn't work in a blizzard. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Here is another possible soluiton. I don't remember if you said when you went from ikey 1 to ikey 2. what follows is good if you still have the files from the iKey 1 install. As far as iKey destroying the old shortcuts, IKey 2 does not destroy any files, after you upgraded to iKey 2 you should still have the directory ~/Library/Preferences/iKey Folder/ on the CCC image. iKey creates ~/Library/Preferences/iKey/ for the iKey2 install. Check if you still have the following files on the old disc image: ~/Library/Preferences/iKey Editor.plist ~/Library/Preferences/iKey.plist ~/Library/Preferences/iKey Installer.plist ~/Library/Preferences/iKey Folder If you do, delete everything having to do with iKeys in the new drive, Copy those files and folders mentioned above from the CCC image (you can mount the image, no need to boot from it.) Now, start up iKey 1, not iKey 2. if all the files are the same as they were before you upgraded to iKey 2 you will be able to revert to iKey 1. Since iKey 2 is less than useless I assume you would want to do that. All that failing, I have a bunch of shortcuts for finale 2005a, mostly shortcuts to tools which I would be happy to export for either iKey 1 or 2 and send you. hope this helps, steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Darcy James Argue / 05.2.3 / 10:51 AM wrote: This is not unusual at all. The first G5s shipped with a custom version of the OS that had the same version number as the current, general-release version, but G5-specific code. Apple does this all the time. Hmm, I remember differently. OSX10.2.7 was created for G5 initial shipment, which was never released to general public, while OSX10.2.8 followed immediately after, which included some security patches that OSX10.2.7 added to OSX10.2.6. This was the main reason OSX10.2.6 was the last known most stable Jag for non G5. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
I am rather surprised by this. How can, for example, the Disk Warrior boot CD work if this is true? (DiskWarrior boots from a CD. Whatever version of OSX is on the CD is the version it boots with.) My wife's powerbook shipped with Panther, but I'm fairly certain I can boot the Disk Warrior CD on it, which has Jaguar. (I can't remember for sure if I've done it now, but I think I have.) Darcy James Argue wrote: new Macs can never boot a version of the OS older than they shipped with. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
I am rather surprised by this. How can, for example, the Disk Warrior boot CD work if this is true? (DiskWarrior boots from a CD. Whatever version of OSX is on the CD is the version it boots with.) This is from the Alsoft site ... --- Note: As of 01/07/2005, DiskWarrior CD (revision 36) is now shipping to start up a Power Mac G5 with the new 30 Cinema Display and it will start up an iMac G5 with an Apple wireless keyboard and mouse. This CD will also start up the new Mac mini. --- -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. -Original Message- From: Simon Troup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2005 04:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] iKey woes I am rather surprised by this. How can, for example, the Disk Warrior boot CD work if this is true? (DiskWarrior boots from a CD. Whatever version of OSX is on the CD is the version it boots with.) This is from the Alsoft site ... --- Note: As of 01/07/2005, DiskWarrior CD (revision 36) is now shipping to start up a Power Mac G5 with the new 30 Cinema Display and it will start up an iMac G5 with an Apple wireless keyboard and mouse. This CD will also start up the new Mac mini. --- -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
At 12:29 PM 2/2/05 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote: Another crrosspost from Orchestra-L: The pioneer figure was Arnold Schoenberg, with his theory of the emancipation of dissonance The theory, and the term, belong to Charles Seeger. The emancipation of a large chunk of the American population was still a living memory at the time he coined the expression, and the echo is deliberate. You have a cite? I thought this went back to Schoenberg as well. Seeger did dissonant counterpoint. But my memory is not to be trusted. Dennis Nor mine, apparently. I thought I had this from David Nicholls, _American Experimental Music 1890-1940_, but I can't seem to find it there. In any event, emancipation of the dissonance certainly does not imply elimination of the consonant. I recently had a conversation with a couple of young composers, one of whom had never heard the term. The other one helpfully said, it means you don't have to resolve them. I don't think anyone could possibly define it better. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
At 2/3/2005 11:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. Windows is extremely backwards compatible. I run Finale 3.7 (16-bit Windows version for those who don't remember) on Win2K and WinXP. No font problems, no playback problems. I have several really old DOS apps (probably written for V3 or V5) than I run several times a week. Their only problem is that they use the shortened file names of long file names. Mac has always been: New versions? old apps won't run. My Mac SE is still running 6.x. It wouldn't run V7 because it doesn't have a hard drive. Mac users have to be tough individuals to begin with, so they just suck it up ;-) Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
In his book, 1910: The Emancipation of Dissonance, published in 96, Thomas Harrison attributes the phrase to Shoenberg, for what it's worth. Interesting discussion, all - Stu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Hardly, since the Alsoft update is free and Apple gives you the system software when you buy the computer. Darcy, did you try my solution? steve On Feb 3, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. -Original Message- From: Simon Troup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2005 04:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] iKey woes I am rather surprised by this. How can, for example, the Disk Warrior boot CD work if this is true? (DiskWarrior boots from a CD. Whatever version of OSX is on the CD is the version it boots with.) This is from the Alsoft site ... --- Note: As of 01/07/2005, DiskWarrior CD (revision 36) is now shipping to start up a Power Mac G5 with the new 30 Cinema Display and it will start up an iMac G5 with an Apple wireless keyboard and mouse. This CD will also start up the new Mac mini. --- -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. That's exactly what I've been saying on another thread. The whole computer industry now reminds me of the auto industry in the '50s. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Robert, I don't know about DiskWarrior, but TechTool used to let you burn your own custom boot CD. I assume they still do. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 11:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. -Original Message- From: Simon Troup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2005 04:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] iKey woes I am rather surprised by this. How can, for example, the Disk Warrior boot CD work if this is true? (DiskWarrior boots from a CD. Whatever version of OSX is on the CD is the version it boots with.) This is from the Alsoft site ... --- Note: As of 01/07/2005, DiskWarrior CD (revision 36) is now shipping to start up a Power Mac G5 with the new 30 Cinema Display and it will start up an iMac G5 with an Apple wireless keyboard and mouse. This CD will also start up the new Mac mini. --- -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
At 12:07 PM 2/3/05 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote: In any event, emancipation of the dissonance certainly does not imply elimination of the consonant. I recently had a conversation with a couple of young composers, one of whom had never heard the term. The other one helpfully said, it means you don't have to resolve them. Brilliant! I'm not entirely sure about not eliminating the consonant, though. Again, I'm sloshing around in bad old guy memory territory, but didn't Schoenberg alter one of the pitches in one appearance of a row in his Op. 25 Suite so a consonant major chord was not produced? I analyzed that thing in the late 1960s, and seem to recall that coming up in the discussion. But I surrender to the better-prepared theorists among us! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Not much potential for that problem in Nashville, although when it comes to how southerners drive in the stuff, an inch of snow might as well be a blizzard. Yes, Finale 1.0 had lots of problems. I'd have to say speedy note entry via midi kbd. kept me going. That made getting the notes in the score s much easier than working with pencil and paper. Don Hart on 2/3/05 4:53 AM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don Hart wrote: When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard, I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don I heard that Finale 1.0 didn't work in a blizzard. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
On 03 Feb 2005, at 10:54 AM, Steve Gibons wrote: Here is another possible soluiton. I don't remember if you said when you went from ikey 1 to ikey 2. what follows is good if you still have the files from the iKey 1 install. As far as iKey destroying the old shortcuts, IKey 2 does not destroy any files, I thought it said it did, but no, you're right! My old iKey files *are* on the disk image of my old HD. Brilliant! Back to iKey 1.0.7 it is (for the time being). Thanks, Steve! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Hiro, Are you sure 10.2.7 never saw general release? I thought it did. Anyway, the larger point holds. When the G5 iMacs were introduced, they had a custom build of whatever version of Panther was current at that time. Same with the mini, and same with (I presume) the new PowerBooks. For those criticizing Apple for this practice, how else are they supposed to introduce machine-specific features? The new PowerBooks have a new scrolling touchpad, which needs to be supported by the OS, hence the machine-specific revision of 10.3.7. When 10.3.8 is released, everyone will be back on the same footing again, but it doesn't make sense to release an entirely new build of OS X to *everyone* when the only changes are added support for newly released machines. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 10:57 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.2.3 / 10:51 AM wrote: This is not unusual at all. The first G5s shipped with a custom version of the OS that had the same version number as the current, general-release version, but G5-specific code. Apple does this all the time. Hmm, I remember differently. OSX10.2.7 was created for G5 initial shipment, which was never released to general public, while OSX10.2.8 followed immediately after, which included some security patches that OSX10.2.7 added to OSX10.2.6. This was the main reason OSX10.2.6 was the last known most stable Jag for non G5. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
At 2/3/2005 12:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: For those criticizing Apple for this practice, how else are they supposed to introduce machine-specific features? The new PowerBooks have a new scrolling touchpad, which needs to be supported by the OS, hence the machine-specific revision of 10.3.7. That what device drivers are for . . . Oh, wait. Unix doesn't support device drivers. You have to rebuild the kernel. How awkward and inconvenient. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
At 12:26 PM -0500 2/3/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: Does this not strike y'all as a rather cozy arrangement? Apple comes out with new machines that force everyone to upgrade their 3rd party software. The silly part is that Mac partisans would bash Bill Gates to the hills if he did the same thing. That's exactly what I've been saying on another thread. The whole computer industry now reminds me of the auto industry in the '50s. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press Naw. The tail fins then were much better! John (whose very first car was a '56 Chevy convertible with medium tail fins.) -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:24:44 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I'm not entirely sure about not eliminating the consonant, though. Again, I'm sloshing around in bad old guy memory territory, but didn't Schoenberg alter one of the pitches in one appearance of a row in his Op. 25 Suite so a consonant major chord was not produced? I analyzed that thing in the late 1960s, and seem to recall that coming up in the discussion. But I surrender to the better-prepared theorists among us! I wrote a paper for an undergraduate Music History course on the first two movements of Schoenberg's Op. 25, and in at least those two movements I don't remember seeing that happen. However, there was a section at the end of the Praeludium that I totally failed to recognize as any form of the wonderful tritone-bookended (my own term) row that is used for this piece. I was able to notice that every pitch-class was used an equal number of times throughout a certain section, but I didn't grasp what exactly was going on. The Theory prof was no help either... he had analyzed the piece himself, and he had marked the same section as undefined. But in any case, Opus 25 was much more than emancipation of the dissonance for Schoenberg. It was completely atonal, with the goal of completely eradicating emphasis of any one pitch and avoiding commonly-percieved structures that lend themselves to heirarchical organizations of importance. Emancipation of the dissonance was, if I remember correctly, the stage he went through in between his neo-Romantic emulation of Strauss and Wagner and his serialist phase. Since you brought up Schoenberg, I noticed an interesting thing the other day when I picked up a collected writings book in the bookstore (I think it was all letters he had written to various people). As you may know, Joseph Hauer created his own form of serialism, independent from Shoenberg and at roughly the same time. Schoenberg's first letter in that book completely decried Hauer's serialism, in fairly strong and direct language (I assume that the English translation watered down the original German), as utter rubbish. I never knew he had such a harsh dislike for competition! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:46:57 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: Are you sure 10.2.7 never saw general release? I thought it did. It saw general release, but it was only picked up by those whose Software Update ran in the 36-hour (or so) time window during which it was available. 10.2.8 was released almost immediately after, to fix the bugs present in 10.2.7. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Hi Brad, Oh, right. I remember that. I was one of the people who downloaded 10.2.7 when it became available, but it never caused any trouble for me. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 1:28 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:46:57 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: Are you sure 10.2.7 never saw general release? I thought it did. It saw general release, but it was only picked up by those whose Software Update ran in the 36-hour (or so) time window during which it was available. 10.2.8 was released almost immediately after, to fix the bugs present in 10.2.7. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:24:44 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I'm not entirely sure about not eliminating the consonant, though. Again, I'm sloshing around in bad old guy memory territory, but didn't Schoenberg alter one of the pitches in one appearance of a row in his Op. 25 Suite so a consonant major chord was not produced? I analyzed that thing in the late 1960s, and seem to recall that coming up in the discussion. But I surrender to the better-prepared theorists among us! I wrote a paper for an undergraduate Music History course on the first two movements of Schoenberg's Op. 25, and in at least those two movements I don't remember seeing that happen. However, there was a section at the end of the Praeludium that I totally failed to recognize as any form of the wonderful tritone-bookended (my own term) row that is used for this piece. I was able to notice that every pitch-class was used an equal number of times throughout a certain section, but I didn't grasp what exactly was going on. The Theory prof was no help either... he had analyzed the piece himself, and he had marked the same section as undefined. But in any case, Opus 25 was much more than emancipation of the dissonance for Schoenberg. It was completely atonal, with the goal of completely eradicating emphasis of any one pitch and avoiding commonly-percieved structures that lend themselves to heirarchical organizations of importance. Emancipation of the dissonance was, if I remember correctly, the stage he went through in between his neo-Romantic emulation of Strauss and Wagner and his serialist phase. Since you brought up Schoenberg, I noticed an interesting thing the other day when I picked up a collected writings book in the bookstore (I think it was all letters he had written to various people). As you may know, Joseph Hauer created his own form of serialism, independent from Shoenberg and at roughly the same time. Schoenberg's first letter in that book completely decried Hauer's serialism, in fairly strong and direct language (I assume that the English translation watered down the original German), as utter rubbish. I never knew he had such a harsh dislike for competition! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Ahem. Weren't people complaining just yesterday that the updated device drivers for their mice broke horizontal scrolling in Finale? I'll take OS X's integrated, driverless hardware support any day. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 1:05 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/3/2005 12:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: For those criticizing Apple for this practice, how else are they supposed to introduce machine-specific features? The new PowerBooks have a new scrolling touchpad, which needs to be supported by the OS, hence the machine-specific revision of 10.3.7. That what device drivers are for . . . Oh, wait. Unix doesn't support device drivers. You have to rebuild the kernel. How awkward and inconvenient. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Phil Daley / 05.2.3 / 01:05 PM wrote: That what device drivers are for . . . Oh, wait. Unix doesn't support device drivers. You have to rebuild the kernel. How awkward and inconvenient. Are you starting Mac vs PC flame war? Mac might be inconvenient, but it is also called controlled environment, and that's why Mac users are proud to be a Mac user while I never hard someone is saying I am a proud DELL user, or whatever. I make much more money consulting PC problems than Mac's. It's so inconvenient PC won't boot off external CD/FW drive. I don't know how many times I had to deal with IRQ and registry. On the other hand, most of Mac troubleshooting can be easily done over phone. I am a royal Mac user since 1987, but I also like PCs. For one thing, my Win2K handles virtual instruments much better than Mac does. I own two Thinkpads, one DELL, one HP, one Gateway, and one homemade PC. Before OSX, I needed them running Windows and different flavors of Linux for studio file servers. OS9 network capability was very poor. As soon as OSX became available, I no longer need Windows as I used to. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Brad Beyenhof / 05.2.3 / 01:28 PM wrote: It saw general release, but it was only picked up by those whose Software Update ran in the 36-hour (or so) time window during which it was available. 10.2.8 was released almost immediately after, to fix the bugs present in 10.2.7. With all due respect, this is incorrect. OSX10.2.8 was derived from OSX10.2.6, not OSX10.2.7. Altho, there was OSX10.2.8 that was replaced in 36 hours after the initial release because of a FW bug that wipes drive if controller is a specific type, and Apple forgot to change the version number for the fix. Still they changed the build number, tho. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
10.2.7 was out for only a few hours. If my memory serves correctly, someone found a bad security vulnerability and it was pulled down quickly, to be replaced by 10.2.8 a week or so later. On 2/3/05 11:46 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Are you sure 10.2.7 never saw general release? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Extremely soft SoftSynth playback (FinMac2005a)
Hey all, Okay, I'm trying to get Fin2005a up and running on my new Mac mini. Everything is great except playback using Finale's default SoundFont is *extremely* soft -- almost inaudible. This is with the level turned up all the way in the SoftSynth settings and the system volume already blisteringly loud. I have also tried raising the default key velocity, to no avail. This is also using the sound output from my M-Audio FireWire Audiophile. I have used this exact setup successfully on my old computer without any trouble. Any ideas what the problem might be? [No, I haven't tried GPO yet -- I'd like to get Finale's softsynth working first before I experiment with that.] - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extremely soft SoftSynth playback (FinMac2005a)
Have you tried turning off human playback? On 2/3/05 2:51 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Hey all, Okay, I'm trying to get Fin2005a up and running on my new Mac mini. Everything is great except playback using Finale's default SoundFont is *extremely* soft -- almost inaudible. This is with the level turned up all the way in the SoftSynth settings and the system volume already blisteringly loud. I have also tried raising the default key velocity, to no avail. This is also using the sound output from my M-Audio FireWire Audiophile. I have used this exact setup successfully on my old computer without any trouble. Any ideas what the problem might be? [No, I haven't tried GPO yet -- I'd like to get Finale's softsynth working first before I experiment with that.] - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
On Feb 3, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Phil Daley wrote: Mac has always been: New versions? old apps won't run. My Mac SE is still running 6.x. It wouldn't run V7 because it doesn't have a hard drive. Mac users have to be tough individuals to begin with, so they just suck it up ;-) Yeah, but you guys on the other side are always worrying about virus and security dangers that hardly touch us. (Yes, yes, I've read enough posts by David F to know that a proper setup seals off the computer safely, but the reality is that 90% of Windows users don't know enough to do that.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPOKeySwitches
Hi JT, I've started using your keyswitch library -- it's great! I have a (big) question though -- how do you tell GPO to *stop* trilling/tremoloing? When I select, for instance, VL trill half step, it sets the keyswitch correctly, but which expression do you use to get back to normal playing? I tried using the VL alternate down/up indication, as well as the arco expression (both hidden) to get back to ordinary playing, but neither of those stopped the trill. Do you have some sort of manual for this library, telling us which expression triggers which keyswitch, and/or how to program our own keyswitching expressions? As you can probably tell, I'm really new to GPO and don't know my way around yet very well. Also, some readers may be interested to know that there is a How To article in this month's Keyboard magazine on using GPO with Finale and/or Sibelius. It's not bad as a bare-bones getting started guide, but I already noticed some mistakes -- for instance, it says that GPO players 5-8 can't be accessed using Finale for OS X, which is false. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] G*d-awful score expressions bug
Man, oh man, what have I wrought? Score expressions multiplying like tribbles! I don't know if it's Finale, TGTools, or the score I'm starting with. Oy! For starters, here's my vanilla setup: FinMac 2005a, PowerMac G4/466, 512 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.3.6, plenty of HD space, blah, blah. The short of it: when Smart Exploding combined wind parts with TGTools (extracted from score), a zillion score expressions are added. It's an awful mess. OK, so here's what I did. 1) I start with a full orchestra score, about 100 measures long, put together by a relative novice on c. FinWin 2001. The composer never used staff expressions, only score expressions with This staff only checked. 2) I extract the string parts and they look fine. I edit them. No problem. 3) I extract the wind and percussion parts (Finale was running since I did the above yesterday). They look fine. I keep the score and all parts open, for editing purposes. 4) I open a wind part, which has both first and second parts on it, and apply TGTools' Smart Explosion of Multi-part Staves. My Mac goes wack-o. It hogs up to 95% of the processor and takes about 15 minutes to process (spinning beach ball and all). When it finally finishes thinking, the original wind part and the two news staves below are overwhelmed by miscellaneous score expressions that were not in the original wind part I was working on, but from other parts further down the score. 5) I tried this on a couple of other parts. Same thing. 6) I close all open documents, re-extract a wind part, apply TGTools, and same problem. 7) I quit Finale, then start up and open a newly-extracted wind part. Apply TGTools. Same problem. Like I said, the expressions were all This staff only, so I don't know how they invaded other staves. Also, like I said, the composer is a novice. He also did his original work on an old PC. Abiding by the wisdom of the list, I had autosave on, though I can't say that affected anything. Between restarting Finale and applying TGTools, enough time hadn't gone by for Autosave to kick in. -- I may be able to complete my work with this score without resolving this mess (not by fixing the present score, but by correcting his original parts with pen and ink). A longterm solution would require solving this problem, but since I offered to do this gratis (the composer is a friend and I offered to help to clean up his parts, for the sake of my orchestra players), I'm going to take the easy out. But if it's a Finale problem, we have to get to the bottom of it. Oy. Andrew Levin PS - I just got my computer back! I told TGTools to Go on the latest operation, then wrote this entire email, then it just finished exploding part. It feels like I'm working on my old Mac IIsi. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, etc.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis
Bathory-Kitsz writes:
[...]
KCM:
2) Non-pop music in the US is not flourishing.
DB-K:
It's hard to have this discussion without giving that impression. Indeed,
nonpop *is* flourishing as an artform, but not with the participation of
the status institutions that benefit most from public funding, donations,
bequests, and media attention (what there is of it). Nonpop's
marginalization by the very organizations who live off its past fruits is,
it seems to me, morally indefensible -- and toxic to the future of the
artform.
KCM:
That sounds more like the UK scene (though not the French or German
one): the contemporary composer's problem is not getting performances
per se, but getting performances by the best professional players,
adequately rehearsed. I have been getting private performances by my
amateur friends for many years, and while I was a music undergraduate
('94 to '98) by my fellow students (rather few of them up to the
standard of the former). I suspect this sort of activity is widespread.
The serious question (for most of us; I wonder whether you can make this
point consistent with your lack of interest in anything old) is
different: how to support the exceptional artist (not me) while he
refines his talent and produces works of lasting value.
3) Organisations that might address this are not doing so.
D-BK:
And there you have the key. Some are addressing the issues, including those
mentioned in previous posts, plus dedicated ensembles (from string quartets
like Ethel and Flux through the Boston Modern Orchestra Project) that are
doing great work along with some new nationwide projects that encourage
commissioning.
KCM:
More and more like the UK.
D-BK:
[...]
Even the so-called public media have democratized their broadcasting
content rather than shown artistic leadership, with public television
running, for example, Yanni and Riverdance and Andre Rieu and Lawrence Welk
and Austin City Limits rather than equivalent spectacles from the nonpop
world (See if you can find the adventure in this schedule:
http://www.vermontpublictv.org/tvscheds/weekly.html Did you find the
nonpop? No, neither did I. How much better is it elsewhere?). Public radio
nationwide has capitulated almost totally in promoting an anti-nonpop
dogma, with mostly Klassikal Klearinghouse JazzLite left on the schedule.
KCM:
but here we differ, mainly because of the BBC, with its long tradition
of adventurous radio broadcast (Webern in the thirties) and more time to
fill lately on two extra (digital only) TV channels.
And, as I've said, the educational picture is a fiasco, with its teachers
by and large ignorant of the nonpop meta-genre -- past *or* present.
KCM:
Our educational picture is patchy, but lots of state schools have
flourishing ensembles - more brass and wind bands (but very few marching
bands (:-) ) than orchestras, because of the longer time it takes to
learn strings. For those whose capability is not stretched by their
school ensembles, orchestras and bands exist at county and national
level (e.g. National Youth Orchestra, founded c 70 years ago, now plays
to a professional standard and has a Promenade Concert most years).
DB-K:
I'm familiar with it, having lived on the continent for a time. However, I
am curious about this:
KCM:
B) Secondary education in UK state schools now includes musical
composition from age 11 to 16. This is mostly done with electronic
sequencers, and rather few of the students are ever going to produce
anything of value, but the opportunity is there for the exceptionally
talented to realise that they have compositional capabilities.
DB-K:
Is secondary education in the UK universal?
KCM: Yes, in the sense that the mandatory ages for education are 5 to
16, with strong encouragement for another two years, but by no means
uniform in quality, in either the state or the private (which includes
our historically named public schools) sector.
DB-K:
Is it centrally funded, or from
local school districts?
KCM:
Local authorities (elected to govern small county-sized districts, and
with responsibilities for highways, refuse disposal and various other
services) administer the funds, which are derived partly from local
taxes and partly distributed by central government from its general tax
revenue.
DB-K:
Is the curriculum national, or subdivided in
smaller political divisions?
KCM:
State schools work to a national curriculum, and examination
organisations are national. Private schools are not obliged to follow
the curriculum in detail, but will often* use the same examinations, so
will follow to that extent, and in any case must meet certain criteria
when inspected.
* Some private schools prepare for the International Baccalaureate at
age 18. This is much tougher and broader than the typical state school
exam (A-level) at the same age.
DB-K:
At whatever level it is managed, who makes the
decisions on curriculum content?
KCM:
For England and Wales,
Re: [Finale] G*d-awful score expressions bug
You haven't exactly wrought this. This stuff has to do with 2005 and its staff lists. As far as I am concerned, it is a real mess and difficult to manage. Mass copy to the clipboard also makes this happen, unless you use shift-command-C> and copy only entries, but that loses your measure attached smart shapes (hairpins, etc.). This wasn't broke before, and I haven't had any success getting MacSupport to respond as if it's a problem. If anyone figures this out, I'd like to know about it. Thanks, Chuck On Feb 3, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: Man, oh man, what have I wrought? Score expressions multiplying like tribbles! I don't know if it's Finale, TGTools, or the score I'm starting with. Oy! For starters, here's my vanilla setup: FinMac 2005a, PowerMac G4/466, 512 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.3.6, plenty of HD space, blah, blah. The short of it: when Smart Exploding combined wind parts with TGTools (extracted from score), a zillion score expressions are added. It's an awful mess. OK, so here's what I did. 1) I start with a full orchestra score, about 100 measures long, put together by a relative novice on c. FinWin 2001. The composer never used staff expressions, only score expressions with This staff only checked. 2) I extract the string parts and they look fine. I edit them. No problem. 3) I extract the wind and percussion parts (Finale was running since I did the above yesterday). They look fine. I keep the score and all parts open, for editing purposes. 4) I open a wind part, which has both first and second parts on it, and apply TGTools' Smart Explosion of Multi-part Staves. My Mac goes wack-o. It hogs up to 95% of the processor and takes about 15 minutes to process (spinning beach ball and all). When it finally finishes thinking, the original wind part and the two news staves below are overwhelmed by miscellaneous score expressions that were not in the original wind part I was working on, but from other parts further down the score. 5) I tried this on a couple of other parts. Same thing. 6) I close all open documents, re-extract a wind part, apply TGTools, and same problem. 7) I quit Finale, then start up and open a newly-extracted wind part. Apply TGTools. Same problem. Like I said, the expressions were all This staff only, so I don't know how they invaded other staves. Also, like I said, the composer is a novice. He also did his original work on an old PC. Abiding by the wisdom of the list, I had autosave on, though I can't say that affected anything. Between restarting Finale and applying TGTools, enough time hadn't gone by for Autosave to kick in. -- I may be able to complete my work with this score without resolving this mess (not by fixing the present score, but by correcting his original parts with pen and ink). A longterm solution would require solving this problem, but since I offered to do this gratis (the composer is a friend and I offered to help to clean up his parts, for the sake of my orchestra players), I'm going to take the easy out. But if it's a Finale problem, we have to get to the bottom of it. Oy. Andrew Levin PS - I just got my computer back! I told TGTools to Go on the latest operation, then wrote this entire email, then it just finished exploding part. It feels like I'm working on my old Mac IIsi. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extremely soft SoftSynth playback (FinMac2005a)
Hi Allen, Never mind -- it's okay now (for whatever reason). Maybe quitting and relaunching Finale fixed it? The only thing is, I'm discovering that JT's keyswitching GPO expressions have, ahem, undesirable results if you go back to regular Finale playback. Fortunately, GPO+Fin2005a is working quite well on my mini so far. Of course, I've only got two instruments loaded right now, but they are both beefy (keyswitching solo Strad, and Steinway piano). I've also got the reverb turned off, although things were working fine with the reverb on. Playback (including MIDI thru note entry) is pop- and stutter-free, so far. (We'll see what happens when I try to add more instruments... ) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2005, at 4:10 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: Have you tried turning off human playback? On 2/3/05 2:51 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Hey all, Okay, I'm trying to get Fin2005a up and running on my new Mac mini. Everything is great except playback using Finale's default SoundFont is *extremely* soft -- almost inaudible. This is with the level turned up all the way in the SoftSynth settings and the system volume already blisteringly loud. I have also tried raising the default key velocity, to no avail. This is also using the sound output from my M-Audio FireWire Audiophile. I have used this exact setup successfully on my old computer without any trouble. Any ideas what the problem might be? [No, I haven't tried GPO yet -- I'd like to get Finale's softsynth working first before I experiment with that.] - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mac mini + Fin2005a + GPO - First Report
Hey all, So I'm finally up and running and getting some Finale work done on the new Mac mini. I have the 1.42 GHz model, with 1 GB of Crucial/Micron RAM, and so far, I am *extremely* impressed at how well Fin2005a runs on this machine. It really is night and day compared to my old machine (an upgraded beige G3 with a Sonnet 1 Ghz G4 ZIF, etc). While the processor is only 0.42 GHz faster than the one in my old machine, the mini's faster bus, faster memory, and faster video card make an *immense* difference. I don't have to wait for dialog boxes to come up anymore, redraws are vastly improved, and Finale *finally* feels as responsive as it did back in the OS 9 days. Now, that doesn't mean there isn't still room for more optimization in the OS X version, because hoo-boy, is there ever. But Finale for OS X is no longer an absolute bear the way it was on my old Mac. Thanks to Steve Gibons, I've got iKey 1.0.7 back and again, the difference vs. iKey 2.0 is phenomenal. The shortcuts all execute instantaneously, and shortcuts that were broken in iKey 2.0 (like double-clicking on the measure-number box) are working again. I will probably still upgrade to QuicKeys 3.0 at some point, but right now, my life is *much* better now that I've banished the monstrous iKey 2.0 from my HD. I've also started using GPO for playback within Finale, including MIDI thru playback during Speedy Entry. So far, it's working beautifully, without a single pop or stutter. I preemptively turned off the reverb, but I gave it a couple of tries with the verb on, and it seems okay with that as well. Of course, right now I have only two instruments loaded -- the keyswitching solo Strad, and the Steinway piano (non-lite version). Those are both very large samples, though. Still, I'm able to run Finale 2005a, GPO studio, iKey 1.0.7, DragThing, and Mail without any issues. We'll see what happens when the time comes to add more instruments -- but for the moment, everything's great. JT's keyswitching expressions library is a godsend (now, if I could only figure out how to turn *off* trills after turning them on... ). My only real complaint with the GPO samples so far is that all of the GPO ensemble flutes (not the KS solo flute) sound really terrible from around E5 up to G5. It's an unfortunate blight on an otherwise first-rate sample library. So, finally -- two thumbs-up for the 1.42 GHz Mac mini. If you're looking for a new Mac, and you've got $599 to spare, I very highly recommend it. Especially if you're currently suffering with a sub-1 GHz Mac. I'm sure it would seem ridiculously pokey up against a dual 2.5 GHz G5, but for 1/5 the price, it's a terrific deal. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
On 3 Feb 2005 at 12:07, Andrew Stiller wrote: In any event, emancipation of the dissonance certainly does not imply elimination of the consonant. I recently had a conversation with a couple of young composers, one of whom had never heard the term. The other one helpfully said, it means you don't have to resolve them. I don't think anyone could possibly define it better. How do you tell the difference between the consonance and the dissonance, then? Without reference to other music or a system of rules not reflected in the musical text where the dissonance is never resolved, the two terms are simply meaningless. At least, so it seems to *me*. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac mini + Fin2005a + GPO - First Report
On Feb 3, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, So I'm finally up and running and getting some Finale work done on the new Mac mini. I have the 1.42 GHz model, with 1 GB of Crucial/Micron RAM, and so far, I am *extremely* impressed at how well Fin2005a runs on this machine. [...] Thanks to Steve Gibons, I've got iKey 1.0.7 back and again, the difference vs. iKey 2.0 is phenomenal. The shortcuts all execute instantaneously, and shortcuts that were broken in iKey 2.0 (like double-clicking on the measure-number box) are working again. I will probably still upgrade to QuicKeys 3.0 at some point, but right now, my life is *much* better now that I've banished the monstrous iKey 2.0 from my HD. [...] Hey Darcy glad you got it going, and glad to have been of help. By the way I got a refund from the iKey people. steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] G*d-awful score expressions bug
At 06:21 PM 02/03/2005, Andrew Levin wrote: Score expressions multiplying like tribbles! I don't know if it's Finale, TGTools, or the score I'm starting with. Oy! Since TGTools was involved, you might try contacting Tobias to see whether he knows anything about this. He usually monitors this list, or you can email him direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
On Feb 3, 2005, at 8:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Feb 2005 at 12:07, Andrew Stiller wrote: In any event, emancipation of the dissonance certainly does not imply elimination of the consonant. I recently had a conversation with a couple of young composers, one of whom had never heard the term. The other one helpfully said, it means you don't have to resolve them. I don't think anyone could possibly define it better. How do you tell the difference between the consonance and the dissonance, then? Without reference to other music or a system of rules not reflected in the musical text where the dissonance is never resolved, the two terms are simply meaningless. At least, so it seems to *me*. I had always assumed it meant that dissonance is no longer an issue. Phrases, structure, melody, etc., no longer revolve around whether dissonance is resolved or not, as nobody needs to pay attention to that aspect any more, thus emancipating the music to other quests. But I may have been wrong. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
On 3 Feb 2005 at 21:51, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 3, 2005, at 8:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Feb 2005 at 12:07, Andrew Stiller wrote: In any event, emancipation of the dissonance certainly does not imply elimination of the consonant. I recently had a conversation with a couple of young composers, one of whom had never heard the term. The other one helpfully said, it means you don't have to resolve them. I don't think anyone could possibly define it better. How do you tell the difference between the consonance and the dissonance, then? Without reference to other music or a system of rules not reflected in the musical text where the dissonance is never resolved, the two terms are simply meaningless. At least, so it seems to *me*. I had always assumed it meant that dissonance is no longer an issue. Phrases, structure, melody, etc., no longer revolve around whether dissonance is resolved or not, as nobody needs to pay attention to that aspect any more, thus emancipating the music to other quests. But I may have been wrong. Well, that's all well and good. But if there's no dissonance, there's also no consonance. You can't change the definition of one without altering the definition of the other, as they are simply two sides of the same coin. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
At 10:31 AM 2/3/05 -0800, Brad Beyenhof wrote: But in any case, Opus 25 was much more than emancipation of the dissonance for Schoenberg. It was completely atonal, with the goal of completely eradicating emphasis of any one pitch and avoiding commonly-percieved structures that lend themselves to heirarchical organizations of importance. Emancipation of the dissonance was, if I remember correctly, the stage he went through in between his neo-Romantic emulation of Strauss and Wagner and his serialist phase. Thanks very much for that clarification. I knew Op. 25 was a kind of manifesto because of its 'purity', but had not carried any of the 'emancipation of dissonance' history with me because Op. 25 was still so Viennese and romantic in feel. (I bet the lay listener wouldn't even hear it as one of those Big Bad Ugly pieces anymore!) Thanks again, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] G*d-awful score expressions bug
Chuck Israels wrote: You haven't exactly wrought this. This stuff has to do with 2005 and its staff lists. That may be, but I think it's something else. I tried the same procedure with FinMac 2004c and got some interesting results. 1) I had kept the original score, which was created in WinMac 2001 (rev 1?). I opened it up in FinMac 2004c (I don't have a version earlier than that on my hard drive). 2) I extracted the flute part. No problem. 3) I ran the Smart Explosion TGTool and it hung again, though at a different point. Before it had gotten to Pasting...; now it hung before that, at Optimizing regions. 4) Here's the catch: I got a Ctree error 2 in CTOTHERS:1206 error. Ad infinitum. I couldn't get out of it without force quitting Finale. 5) I tried again with 2004c: extracted the part no problem. This time I thought to try other TGTools: Modify slurs, Fit Music, Join rests of multiple layers, and Make spacing at end of measure. ALL of them worked fine, and very quickly. 6) Ran Smart Explosion, and now the same hanging and Ctree error (though hanging now on Deleting part spec (can't read my own handwriting!)). Do I have a file problem? There was a Finale version some versions back that created problems with files, that a later utility would check out. Could this be it? Oy! Any help is welcome. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Human playback gliss. bug
Hi folks, Is that a bug in HP pitchbend glissandos ? Chromatic and diatonic work OK but the gliss doesn't move the pitch far enough with pitchbend selected. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
hello mr. fenton and listers, But if there's no dissonance, there's also no consonance. You can't change the definition of one without altering the definition of the other, [snip] of course i understand what you say it's true from a musical syntax standpoint. but from a more acoustical approach, it might be seen as consonance/dissonance is a 'degree' property. so any interval or chord (meaning any simultaneity) have a certain degree of consonance/dissonance. indeed, the same interval or chord depends on timbre, dynamics, and register (i'm not sure this is the proper word, maybe tessitura? range?). just imagine the 'rite of spring' most famous chords being played by a treble recorder consort. or just the e major chord notes by trombones, and the eb7 notes by pizz. strings. please excuse my fuzzy wording, regards, marcelo But if there's no dissonance, there's also no consonance. You can't change the definition of one without altering the definition of the other, as they are simply two sides of the same coin. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
