[Finale] Sibelius promotion announced
Just for your information (not pushing this in any way), Sibelius has just announced a special promotion for users of Finale, Notion, encore and Mosaic to crossgrade to Sibelius 6 at a discount by March 19. http://www.sibelius.com/landingpages/finale_crossgrade.html If someone wanted to experiment, perhaps now's the time. As I read it, one could crossgrade from an earlier version of Finale and keep your later version, but you'd want to double check on that. Sibelius' marketing continues to be pretty smart, as does their upgrade schedule and bug fixes. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
I this really has only very remotely to do with Finale. On the other hand it has to do with the Finale mailing list, so perhaps there will be some clever person here with some answers. I currently use several email accounts as POP accounts. All the mail gets downloaded to my computer, and deleted on the server. On my computer the mail is sorted. so that Finale list mail goes into the Finale list folder and so on. I have been living quite happily with this arrangement. Other than list mail I don't usually delete mail at all, and I keep all these emails in my email application. I estimate the amount of email on all my accounts, including the complete sent-mail folders (which I never empty, so I still have every single email I ever wrote) to be around 5 emails. Add to that the Finale list, which I erase sporadically. Usually I empty the folder after a few months, but I have been lazy lately, so it has filled up with almost 1 mails. I have a few other mailing lists I subscribe to, but none as active as Finale. Now something has changed: Santa gave me a nice little iPhone, and I am happily writing emails from it, too. And questions came up. Would IMAP serve me better? One of the reasons I started thinking about this is the Finale mail which I'd love to at least sort into a folder. The only way to do this on the iPhone is to use IMAP and do it on the server. I can work out how all of this functions, but surely it is not practical to keep thousands of emails on the server? Is there a way to have IMAP emails live on only on my computer after a certain period of time, say a few days for Finale, and perhaps a month for personal email, yet never lose anything completely? Perhaps I am missing something, but does IMAP allow me to use it like POP with only added convenience, or am I then required to keep everything on the server all the time? Perhaps someone with similar needs can give me some advice. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
On Sun, January 10, 2010 9:12 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Perhaps I am missing something, but does IMAP allow me to use it like POP with only added convenience, or am I then required to keep everything on the server all the time? I'll give you the simple answer by example. I use both. I check most mail via IMAP so I can reach it pretty much anywhere, and sort it into just a few mailboxes. That mail, for the time being, stays on the server. Mail that I answer via IMAP is Bcc'd to myself so I have a copy. This message, for example, is being answered via IMAP, but will Bcc to my address so that I have a copy with the same time stamp. When I'm ready to grab the mail that I want to keep, I move everything back to the IMAP inbox, mark it as unread, and run my POP mail program (where I have all my email since 1993). It downloads automatically deletes everything on the server's inbox. The other boxes are untouched, so I can keep mail stored there temporarily. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius promotion announced
If anyone does this, could you please let us know how the crossgrade works - what are the implications? Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius promotion announced
Lawrence Yates wrote: If anyone does this, could you please let us know how the crossgrade works - what are the implications? Cheers, Lawrence I've done it twice (so that my son can have his own copy of Sibelius) and it's very simple -- you contact Sibelius by following the link for the crossgrade on their web-site and order and pay for the product. Then when it arrives, you install it and can use it for a very limited time without it being activated. In order to get an activation number, you need to fill out a form and then send in the proof of ownership of Finale that they request -- in the past they have asked for either an installation disk or the original first few pages from the Finale manual. Then they send you back the activation information and you're off and running. You are allowed to install Sibelius on up to two computers at a time, so once you get the first one activated, you can install on a second computer and you can then activate that one online (it takes just a few seconds). You still get to continue your ownership of Finale and can stay on that upgrade path along with being on the upgrade path for Sibelius, if you wish. There are no implications other than the possible loss of the installation CD for an older version of Finale. I can't remember if they returned that installation CD or not -- they definitely don't return the first few pages from the manual. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 15:26, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: When I'm ready to grab the mail that I want to keep, I move everything back to the IMAP inbox, mark it as unread, and run my POP mail program (where I have all my email since 1993). It downloads automatically deletes everything on the server's inbox. The other boxes are untouched, so I can keep mail stored there temporarily. Seems rather a lot of extra work: You have to first move everything back to the inbox and mark it unread? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
On Sun, January 10, 2010 9:59 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Seems rather a lot of extra work: You have to first move everything back to the inbox and mark it unread? Depends on your IMAP interface, I guess. I only have two other mailboxes (Delayed Followup and Temp -- one is stuff I'm done with, the other things I have to answer). For me it's a just a few clicks: change to Delayed Followup, toggle all, move mail to inbox, change to Temp, toggle all, move mail to inbox, change to inbox, toggle all, mark unread. Then I'm ready to download. (Mark unread isn't necessary depending on your POP client.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
I'd say go imap. Get a gmail account. You can set up folders and what not. Computers (multiple) and iPhones can use the account via imap, and all your messages will be there. Plus gmail can also function as an exchange server service for the iPhone, and immediately beep the phone when you get mail. I don't think yahoo or other services have the exchange function, but they too offer imap which will work with the iPhone. I dunno, I haven't used pop mail ina decade? I've always used imap because I like to keep my mail all synced up between home and the studio, and since 2007 on the road. --- send out and aboot on my iPhone --- On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com wrote: I this really has only very remotely to do with Finale. On the other hand it has to do with the Finale mailing list, so perhaps there will be some clever person here with some answers. I currently use several email accounts as POP accounts. All the mail gets downloaded to my computer, and deleted on the server. On my computer the mail is sorted. so that Finale list mail goes into the Finale list folder and so on. I have been living quite happily with this arrangement. Other than list mail I don't usually delete mail at all, and I keep all these emails in my email application. I estimate the amount of email on all my accounts, including the complete sent-mail folders (which I never empty, so I still have every single email I ever wrote) to be around 5 emails. Add to that the Finale list, which I erase sporadically. Usually I empty the folder after a few months, but I have been lazy lately, so it has filled up with almost 1 mails. I have a few other mailing lists I subscribe to, but none as active as Finale. Now something has changed: Santa gave me a nice little iPhone, and I am happily writing emails from it, too. And questions came up. Would IMAP serve me better? One of the reasons I started thinking about this is the Finale mail which I'd love to at least sort into a folder. The only way to do this on the iPhone is to use IMAP and do it on the server. I can work out how all of this functions, but surely it is not practical to keep thousands of emails on the server? Is there a way to have IMAP emails live on only on my computer after a certain period of time, say a few days for Finale, and perhaps a month for personal email, yet never lose anything completely? Perhaps I am missing something, but does IMAP allow me to use it like POP with only added convenience, or am I then required to keep everything on the server all the time? Perhaps someone with similar needs can give me some advice. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:03, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I'd say go imap. Get a gmail account. You can set up folders and what not. Computers (multiple) and iPhones can use the account via imap, and all your messages will be there. Plus gmail can also function as an exchange server service for the iPhone, and immediately beep the phone when you get mail. I don't think yahoo or other services have the exchange function, but they too offer imap which will work with the iPhone. I dunno, I haven't used pop mail ina decade? I've always used imap because I like to keep my mail all synced up between home and the studio, and since 2007 on the road. How many emails do you keep in your google account? I am certainly not going google, but IMAP is an option... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Tens of thousands of messages. If not close to 100,000. I have emails going back to 1997 on there, plus interesting messages I've saved from the 40 or so lists I am on (Flute, Klarinet, etc). I don't know why you wouldn't consider Google mail. It works amazingly well. And it's free. And the exchange option is great. Apple also offers mobileme.com which is really great too, and it keeps your bookmarks and contact information synced between the iphone and computers. You don't need to attach the iPhone to iTune or anything. Though it costs $99 a year, I find it invaluable to have. On 1/10/10 10:14 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Am 10.01.10 19:03, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I'd say go imap. Get a gmail account. You can set up folders and what not. Computers (multiple) and iPhones can use the account via imap, and all your messages will be there. Plus gmail can also function as an exchange server service for the iPhone, and immediately beep the phone when you get mail. I don't think yahoo or other services have the exchange function, but they too offer imap which will work with the iPhone. I dunno, I haven't used pop mail ina decade? I've always used imap because I like to keep my mail all synced up between home and the studio, and since 2007 on the road. How many emails do you keep in your google account? I am certainly not going google, but IMAP is an option... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
On Sun, January 10, 2010 1:14 pm, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am certainly not going google, but IMAP is an option... Johannes, Does your musikmanufaktur.com web host not offer both IMAP and POP for the same account? If so, you can have the benefits of both -- IMAP as needed, POP for archiving locally. That's what I'm using and, like Eric, find using IMAP with my phone an easy task on the road. Yes, I have Gmail as a rarely-used backup account, but hate its interface (it can also be accessed via POP, as I understand). The options today are fairly extensive. (I don't use IMAP exclusively because I simply don't trust distant servers to preserve my mail. I have an investment in that archive; they don't.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:29, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: Does your musikmanufaktur.com web host not offer both IMAP and POP for the same account? If so, you can have the benefits of both -- IMAP as needed, POP for archiving locally. That's what I'm using and, like Eric, find using IMAP with my phone an easy task on the road. As far as I can see it cannot be used at the same time unless you unsort the mail before using the pop access. That sort of defeats the purpose, no? Yes, all my accounts can use both pop and IMAP access. I am currently doing mostly what you suggest, but I can't really use the benefits of IMAP when I then load everything onto the computer via POP. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:20, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't know why you wouldn't consider Google mail. It works amazingly well. And it's free. And the exchange option is great. Apple also offers mobileme.com which is really great too, and it keeps your bookmarks and contact information synced between the iphone and computers. You don't need to attach the iPhone to iTune or anything. Though it costs $99 a year, I find it invaluable to have. So what is so special about Google mail? I don't like the idea of monopolies at all, and Google is doing everything to get monopolies, no? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
POP mail can be set to delete itself from the server after a specified amount of time. I don't see why you could not just set everything to IMAP, and create local folders on your computer and drag and drop the messages you want to savethen you wouldn't have to worry about this whole POP/IMAP thing On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com wrote: As far as I can see it cannot be used at the same time unless you unsort the mail before using the pop access. That sort of defeats the purpose, no? Yes, all my accounts can use both pop and IMAP access. I am currently doing mostly what you suggest, but I can't really use the benefits of IMAP when I then load everything onto the computer via POP. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Well, what are you using that isn't a Monopoly? Apple? Microsoft? I use Google Mail cause it is robust. Millions of people use it. They provide lots of storage. They aren't going to disappear. And they had just one blip in their service since they started (last year, like 1/2 a day). And again it's free, and you don't see the ads if you use it through your email program or the iphone. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com wrote: Am 10.01.10 19:20, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't know why you wouldn't consider Google mail. It works amazingly well. And it's free. And the exchange option is great. Apple also offers mobileme.com which is really great too, and it keeps your bookmarks and contact information synced between the iphone and computers. You don't need to attach the iPhone to iTune or anything. Though it costs $99 a year, I find it invaluable to have. So what is so special about Google mail? I don't like the idea of monopolies at all, and Google is doing everything to get monopolies, no? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
On Sun, January 10, 2010 2:22 pm, Johannes Gebauer wrote: As far as I can see it cannot be used at the same time unless you unsort the mail before using the pop access. That sort of defeats the purpose, no? Yes, I understand. I don't really worry about sorting until I download, which I generally do nightly. On the road, yes, I do sort into a handful of separate mailboxes. When I'm home I move them to the inbox one at a time for POP download. Yes, all my accounts can use both pop and IMAP access. I am currently doing mostly what you suggest, but I can't really use the benefits of IMAP when I then load everything onto the computer via POP. Got it. I don't really like IMAP -- the only reason I use it at all is because my POP mail is accessed from and stored on my laptop (with external backup) and I don't use the laptop for 'real' work at home. When I use the laptop at home (such as for POP download), I VNC to it. Otherwise it's never touched except for travel. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Force windows to appear at different screen resolution
On 1/9/10 Darcy James Argue wrote: Trashing the prefs works. Try it again. Make sure you have the right prefs. Thanks for the suggestion! You're right -- I trashed com.makemusic.Finale.plist when I should have trashed Finale 2009 Preferences. All is good now. Paul Hayden On 9 Jan 2010, at 2:25 PM, phayden...@cox.net phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS 10.5.8 Okay, here's a weird one: Page LayoutSystemsEdit Margins... Page LayoutPage MarginsEdit Page Margins... I cloned my computer's internal hard drive (Mac Pro with big monitor) to a small external hard drive so I could attach it to my wife's laptop while we're on the road for a week. I can't see the two windows shown at the top of this message as Finale remembered where they were on my big monitor. On the laptop (MacBook Pro), I've tried: 1. Changing the laptop's monitor resolution (it was at the maximum resolution). 2. Trashing Finale's prefs and restarting Finale. Can anybody suggest anything to try so I can see those two windows? Thanks. Paul Hayden www.paulhayden.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 20:40, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: Got it. I don't really like IMAP -- the only reason I use it at all is because my POP mail is accessed from and stored on my laptop (with external backup) and I don't use the laptop for 'real' work at home. When I use the laptop at home (such as for POP download), I VNC to it. Otherwise it's never touched except for travel. So when you are using email at home you don't have direct access to your mail database? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 20:29, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't see why you could not just set everything to IMAP, and create local folders on your computer and drag and drop the messages you want to savethen you wouldn't have to worry about this whole POP/IMAP thing Drag and drop? That seems like an enormous step backwards after automatic sorting. You know, other than automatic sorting, I am so lazy about moving messages by hand that I have close to 1 messages in my inbox. I guess setting pop mail to leave things on the server for a specified amount of time will serve some purpose, however, it doesn't solve the problem of folder sorting. It seems rather inconvenient to have all those Finale messages along with some other mail in the same inbox. I guess I could make an account just for Finale... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
On Sun, January 10, 2010 3:03 pm, Johannes Gebauer wrote: So when you are using email at home you don't have direct access to your mail database? Yes. I use VNC to operate the laptop from my desktop (screen-in-screen, with cross-computer copy/paste of text, etc.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
There is an article in the current issue of macilife wherein they seem to be discussing this topic on page 88 and ƒ. Does this help? Michael mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:35:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP On Sun, January 10, 2010 3:03 pm, Johannes Gebauer wrote: So when you are using email at home you don't have direct access to your mail database? Yes. I use VNC to operate the laptop from my desktop (screen-in-screen, with cross-computer copy/paste of text, etc.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
What mail client are you using? In Apple Mail, it is very easy to have both online (IMAP) folders and On My Mac folders, with automatic rules to handle sorting to each. You could have a rule that moved all messages older than 30 days from your (online) inbox to your (offline) inbox archive, for instance. And obviously you could keep your Finale mail separate from the rest of your inbox. I have been doing this sort of thing for years now. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com On 10 Jan 2010, at 3:01 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Am 10.01.10 20:29, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't see why you could not just set everything to IMAP, and create local folders on your computer and drag and drop the messages you want to savethen you wouldn't have to worry about this whole POP/IMAP thing Drag and drop? That seems like an enormous step backwards after automatic sorting. You know, other than automatic sorting, I am so lazy about moving messages by hand that I have close to 1 messages in my inbox. I guess setting pop mail to leave things on the server for a specified amount of time will serve some purpose, however, it doesn't solve the problem of folder sorting. It seems rather inconvenient to have all those Finale messages along with some other mail in the same inbox. I guess I could make an account just for Finale... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). That's true -- however there isn't a great way to get the music from one to the other (despite how close MusicXML comes, there is still a lot of tweaking to do) so I've found that the best way to continue to work is that projects begun in Finale are completed in Finale and projects begun in Sibelius are completed in Sibelius. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
I'm very happy with Finale but I am increasingly being given Sibelius files to work with and so am seriously considering buying Sibelius as well. This offer, if, as someone has suggested, applies to older versions of Finale, sounds very attractive but I don't want to give up my current Finale. (I currently have the demo version of Sib 6 and, in my inexperience, am finding it very, very difficult to use. The demo instruction book seems to offer less help than I would like. As I said, I am very inexperienced so it's probably my fault) Lawrence 2010/1/10 dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). That's true -- however there isn't a great way to get the music from one to the other (despite how close MusicXML comes, there is still a lot of tweaking to do) so I've found that the best way to continue to work is that projects begun in Finale are completed in Finale and projects begun in Sibelius are completed in Sibelius. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Lawrence Yates wrote: I'm very happy with Finale but I am increasingly being given Sibelius files to work with and so am seriously considering buying Sibelius as well. This offer, if, as someone has suggested, applies to older versions of Finale, sounds very attractive but I don't want to give up my current Finale. I don't think you have to give up Finale at all. You just have to send them two pages of your Finale user guide or one of your Finale program discs. (I currently have the demo version of Sib 6 and, in my inexperience, am finding it very, very difficult to use. The demo instruction book seems to offer less help than I would like. As I said, I am very inexperienced so it's probably my fault) When I last tried the Sibelius demo, I found that the full documentation available for download from the site was more helpful than the limited information in the demo. The full manual is here: http://www.sibelius.com/download/documentation I don't have Sibelius 6, but am thinking about upgrading. Best, -WR -- Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fm ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: I don't think you have to give up Finale at all. You just have to send them two pages of your Finale user guide or one of your Finale program discs. When I read about this special crossgrade price on the Sibelius site (I'm currently trying out the Sibelius 6 Demo) I saw where it says you can tear out the first two pages of your Finale user guide and send them that, or send them a Finale program disc, and was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
toronado...@gmail.com wrote: ... was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? I don't think it matters, provided it's an original program CD. David, can you comment on this? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
I can't find any mention of the need to be a student to qualify either. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] minimum font size for lyrics in score?
At 4:54 PM -0800 1/9/10, Ryan wrote: Hi, Just curious if any of you have a limit on the minimum size of lyrics in a score, or if there's a general rule of thumb I should follow. In Mosaic I used 12 point for entering lyrics (so I could read them on screen), then changed them to 10 point for the final layout, using 16 point or 18 point staves for choral scores. But once you get into system reductions I'm lost. Mosaic didn't have that capability. I'm preparing a score with lyrics set at 13 point. I'm using a system reduction of 50%, giving me a real size of 6.5 point. While I feel it's proportional to the size of the music, it's not very legible to a conductor who's trying to lead the orchestra and chorus. But, I'm curious if it really matters to the conductor. The choral parts will be larger, and I doubt the chorus master would use the full score to rehearse. Damn right it's important to the conductor! Rehearsal starts or corrections for singers are often given in terms of lyrics, much more often than rehearsal letters or numbers. I could bump up the lyric size to 16 point, giving me a real size of 8 point. But since the choral octavo is linked to the score, the lyrics will be too large. I could use a fixed point size, but I'm not happy with how Finale spaces lyrics of a fixed point size. Do whatever you have to to make the lyrics properly sized in BOTH the score and the vocal score. In my opinion 8 point is still too small. Should I not worry about the conductor's eyes, or is there a solution to the problem? Worry about the eyes, and just leave enough room for the lyrics. Speaking as a conductor, of course, and not an engraver for the moment. I've had to read too many scores and too many parts that had used system reduction just because it's too easy to do in Finale, and the engraver was more concerned with number of pages than with readability! I recommend putting readability FIRST in your priorities. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts wrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: ... was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? I don't think it matters, provided it's an original program CD. David, can you comment on this? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR OK. Well, now I don't see that bit about the student. Strange. Oh well, much better that there is no such requirement! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:28 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote: When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. Awesome. I'll send them my 2008 CD. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT Trb. Info
Any of you folks have a line on a decent used Bass Bone (just missed my chance last night on e bay, buy going to bed instead of bidding on a Holton that really looked nice ... oh well)? Would like a double rotor for somewhere between 1k and $1500, if I could find it .. Pacem, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 4:09 PM -0800 1/10/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where do you find that? I don't see it on the Competitive Crossgrade page at all. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Trb. Info
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Any of you folks have a line on a decent used Bass Bone (just missed my chance last night on e bay, buy going to bed instead of bidding on a Holton that really looked nice ... oh well)? Would like a double rotor for somewhere between 1k and $1500, if I could find it .. Pacem, Dean You can often find some good stuff at Dillon Music http://www.dillonmusic.com/ in the used brass section. cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 4:28 PM -0800 1/10/10, J D Thomas wrote: When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. Yes. When I crossgraded from Mosaic to Sib 5 I sent in the pages from the Mosaic manual--after photocopying them and taping the copies back in! No questions asked, even though I could no longer run Mosaic under OS 10. They really aren't looking for excuses to back out of the registration, just to get you started using Sibelius. One caveat: the identification number of your copy of Sibelius (it isn't actually a serial number because it isn't serial!) stays with you through future upgrades (which is why it isn't serial). If you're eligible for an educational/church price, you might be better off in the long run to avoid the crossgrade, because it won't entitle you to the educational price in future upgrades. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Trb. Info
Try: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds Only horns there in your price range right now are single valve, but it gets updated on Mondays. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Any of you folks have a line on a decent used Bass Bone (just missed my chance last night on e bay, buy going to bed instead of bidding on a Holton that really looked nice ... oh well)? Would like a double rotor for somewhere between 1k and $1500, if I could find it .. Pacem, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 5:31 PM -0800 1/10/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR OK. Well, now I don't see that bit about the student. Strange. Oh well, much better that there is no such requirement! They did mention (on a different page) Sibelius Student as being eligible for the crossgrade. That's the name of their cut-down entry-level version. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Trb. Info
Sorry, all I have is a Bach 50B, one rotor, built late Sixties. Horace On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:56:05 -0800, you wrote: Any of you folks have a line on a decent used Bass Bone (just missed my chance last night on e bay, buy going to bed instead of bidding on a Holton that really looked nice ... oh well)? Would like a double rotor for somewhere between 1k and $1500, if I could find it .. Pacem, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
