[Finale] Missing MM rests
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has figured out what causes Finale to lose Multi-measure rests in Page View. After not having had the problem for years, it suddenly re-appeared in a project I am working on (Finale 2005). The only thing I can think of to precipitate this is that before laying out each part, I ran, in quick succession, on each whole file: Break Multi-Measure Rest, followed by Create Multi-Measure Rest. The result, in only *some* of the files, was to have some multi-measure rests (including the measures themselves) missing completely. Measure-numbering was unaffected. In one case, a single measure jumped ship. Re-running the above routine on those passages restored the multi-rests the single measure, but it is disturbing to think it could happen again, without warning! Thanks in advance for any theories or preventative solutions. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] uncommon tuplet
Hi Barbara, This is a shortcut that works in the speedy entry frame , I believe. Dan At 11:33 AM 9/18/2007, you wrote: The manual says: If you want to create an uncommon tupletsuch as 11 in the space of 2press ctrl-1. The Tuplet Definition dialog box appears, in which you can specify exactly what kind of tuplet youre about to create.) Bt this doesn't seem to work, it rather sets the magnification to 100%! How do I access the special tuplets db? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] uncommon tuplet
Hi Barbara, This is a shortcut that works in the speedy entry frame , I believe. Oops! Works fine in Fin 2007; not at all in Fin 2008. (imagine my surprise!) Sorry! Dan At 11:33 AM 9/18/2007, you wrote: The manual says: If you want to create an uncommon tupletsuch as 11 in the space of 2press ctrl-1. The Tuplet Definition dialog box appears, in which you can specify exactly what kind of tuplet youre about to create.) Bt this doesn't seem to work, it rather sets the magnification to 100%! How do I access the special tuplets db? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Colour of selection tool
At 10:15 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: You don't need the Advanced button in Win2K -- the Item dropdown is right there on the Appearance tab of Display Properties. Yes, this has solved the problem. Thanks, Dan Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Colour of selection tool
HI all, Let's agree on what we are talking about here. For me, the problem (Fin 2008) is not with the tool (icon) being too dark, it's any measures selected with the tool. I can't see what I have selected; on my screen the selection turns a very dark blue-green (Win 2000 Pro). Dan At 01:31 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: I think I find it too dark because I can hardly see the contents of the selection anymore. Have they changed that then? I don't have F2007 running anymore, so I can't check. Aaron Sherber wrote: Is it a different color from the selection color in Fin2007? It's the same color on my system. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fwd: How to get 1/2 into a text expression
At 12:44 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote: Can you supply any names of fonts? I might even have one, but I can't find any in the morass of fonts I have cluttering my system right now OK, now I see the problem. Garamond Classic *Extras*, for example has 1/2 in the 'j slot, not as an extended character. Other fractions have similar assignments. Dan Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] How to get 1/2 into a text expression
Hi Christopher, Not sure I understand your problem here. Don't the TNR extended characters work on your platform? At the risk of telling you something, you already know, the 3 extended characters in TNR that produce 1/4 (type Alt-0188 with Numlock on), 1/2 (-0189) and 3/4 (-0190). For other fractions try one of the Garamond Extras fonts. These all work in the text expressions on my computer. Good luck! Dan Carno At 08:23 AM 5/20/2007, you wrote: Anyone know how to get ½ into a text expression? (That looks like 1/2, if your email client isn't showing the glyph, which appears to be Unicode.) Finale's lack of support for Unicode keeps putting crimps in my workflow. My text font for this project is Times New Roman, if that makes a difference, but I would be happy with another font if I could get the look and height of the glyph. FinMac2007c Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Measure number ghosts
Hi all, I recently updated to Finale 2007c (from 2007b). Now deleted or hidden measure numbers, including first number in region, show on screen, although they do not print. I have checked the manual, and all possible options, but can find no way to make them leave my screen (measure numbers from hell). Am I missing something? Has anyone else experienced this? thanks, Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number ghosts
At 08:34 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: I recently updated to Finale 2007c (from 2007b). Now deleted or hidden measure numbers, including first number in region, show on screen, although they do not print. select all (or specific) measure numbers and ctl-click (mac) for contextual menu: reset to default or something like that. if that doesn't work... hm. very peculiar. Well restore defaults (or according to region) works for measure 1, but not in places where numbers were specifically deleted. This is happening with new files as well as files that were created in Finale 2007a, completed and sent for publication with no problems. But when I open them in 2007c, the measure numbers have returned, although they do not print. Dan -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cluster noteheads
Hi Darcy, Have you tried slot #242 in the Engraver Font Set? It has always worked well for me. Dan Carno At 09:17 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: Is there a font somewhere with cluster (black rectangle) noteheads? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number ghosts
Hi Chuck, The problem does not occur with Finale 2006c, or 2005 for that matter. And, as I said, it did not happen with 2007a or 2007b. Deleting the measure number region and creating one from scratch left me with the same problem. I wish now I had stayed with 2007b! Thanks for your help. Dan At 09:24 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: Hi Don, Yes, this annoying thing is part of 2007 (maybe 2006 too, I'm not sure). The only way to eliminate those ghosts is to delete the entire measure number region and the redefine it. Chuck On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Dan Carno wrote: Hi all, I recently updated to Finale 2007c (from 2007b). Now deleted or hidden measure numbers, including first number in region, show on screen, although they do not print. I have checked the manual, and all possible options, but can find no way to make them leave my screen (measure numbers from hell). Am I missing something? Has anyone else experienced this? thanks, Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cluster noteheads
Hi Darcy, Well they come out the same size as a regular notehead, with a rectangular shape. You can always bump them up a bit in Mass Edit, although the stems will be longer and the noteheads will expand beyond the staff lines. Good luck! Dan At 09:47 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: Hi Dan, At first glance, it's too small. Is the idea that you enter multiple notes and replace them all with this notehead? Hmm. I'll try that. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 25 Feb 2007, at 9:33 PM, Dan Carno wrote: Hi Darcy, Have you tried slot #242 in the Engraver Font Set? It has always worked well for me. Dan Carno At 09:17 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: Is there a font somewhere with cluster (black rectangle) noteheads? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] M# ghosts eradicated
Hi all, Well my re-appearing measure number problem is solved. The problem seemed to afflict all hidden objects. The solution was the setting in Edit, Program Options, View, Hidden Object Shading. It was set to 75% (not by me, I swear!). Reducing it to 10% made the little suckers all but disappear. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, Dan Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] JW SPACE SYSTEMS
Hello everyone, Has anyone been able to get JW's Space Systems to work in Finale 2007 on the Windows platform? Hours of experimentation has locked up Finale repeatedly, eventually freezing my computer as well. I personally would be willing to pay for a working version of this unique and valuable plug-in. Related to this, does anyone have a copy of PDK tools, version 2.16 they could send me? Thanks in advance for any cues, advice, etc. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin Power
Hi Robert, Well, MM is cutting off their nose to spite their face, if that's their plan. I work in a situation where I am often struggling to meet deadlines with long, last-minute hours. Your plug-ins along with those of Tobias Giesen and Jari Williamsson, take much of the tedium, stress, and fatigue out of dealing with Finale's menus, boxes, handles, etc. These plug-in's are essential to my getting projects done in a timely, sane fashion, and worth every penny of the small fees that you charge. My thanks to all of you. Dan Carno At 12:16 PM 2/23/2007, you wrote: Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: I will have to go to Sibelius very soon (publisher reasons) but the ease of use combined with sheer power of your plugins are forcing me to thoroughly investigate how I can stick with Finale. They're that good! I hope you will let Makemusic know that plugin power is a major factor keeping you clinging to Finale if at all possible. Makemusic has begun to marginalize plugins Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: American Idol vs. musical training
At 02:50 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: In many people's minds, trained voice equates with operatic training. In fact, there are many voice specialists who will argue 'till the cows come home that this is the one and only proper way to sing. Clearly they don't get out much!! Yeah! And who would want to listen to them anyway? People that have studied and taught the proper way to sing for their entire careers? Please! Thank God, most pop singers have not been sucked into learning such stultifying techniques as breath control and voice placement taught by classical voice teachers. The high quality of their singing proves that talent is everything. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2007
At 02:23 PM 7/2/2006, you wrote: i find it absolutely but-gusting hilarious that the thing hasn't even come out yet and work-arounds are already being discussed... as if the new features are expected to NOT function as one might expect them to. come on people, jeez don't be so cynical, think of their legacy! After extracting parts, apply the Blank Notation staff style to the cue measures in the score. Provided you apply the style only to the layer that holds the cue, you only need to move the default rest to the default position. Hi, Well I have to admit that I am the perpetrator of the quote, After extracting However, it is neither exclusively a Finale 2007 issue nor a work-around. It is simply a means of hiding cue passages that can be applied in any recent version of Finale. The purpose here is to avoid having to make a separate extraction file, and as such it will come in handy in Finale 2007. I would like to take the opportunity to amend my quote: if you are clever enough in the way you set up layer parameters, the default rest will pop into the default position once the cue notes have been hidden (unless you have moved the rests manually); then the move rests plug-in must be applied). Thanks for listening! Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007
Hi David, After extracting parts, apply the Blank Notation staff style to the cue measures in the score. Provided you apply the style only to the layer that holds the cue, you only need to move the default rest to the default position. Dan At 12:04 PM 6/29/2006, you wrote: I'm wondering how, and if, linked parts can handle cues. At the moment, I create parts from a copy of the full score containing lots of cues. Will the linked parts allow cues to be shown in the parts but not in the score? If not, I'm not sure how useful I would find the feature. David Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop
Hi Ken, Do actually have a passage selected when you do this? Dan At 06:00 PM 6/24/2006, you wrote: To the wisdom of the list, again, I just discovered that when I click Mass Edit in the tool bar many of its functions are grayed out. Among the dead is Music Spacing. When I open the drop down menu Music Spacing looks normal, but the three options to the right of the arrows heads are grayed out. Fit Music works fine, but many other functions in the drop down menu are grayed out. If you need more info to assess the situation, please ask Your assistance will be gratefully received. Ken ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop
Hi Ken, Well..we've all done this. At least TGTools coughs politely and asks if you intend to process the whole document. Finale just sits there and lets you feel foolish! Best, Dan At 07:08 PM 6/24/2006, you wrote: Boy, am I losing my grip!!!? Amazing how well stuff works when you select the passage to which it will be applied. Thank you very , very much. Once again, the list to the rescue. Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Windows Shortcuts?
Hi Darcy, Not sure anyone gave you a direct answer. Ctrl-Pageup/Down does this in Windows. Dan At 01:51 AM 11/15/2005, you wrote: Hello, Could someone please tell me the Windows equivalent of the Mac cmd- page up and cmd-page down shortcuts? In Page View, these shortcuts advance or go back one page. In Scroll View, they advance or go back one screen. How is this down in WinFin2006? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006 first impressions
At 12:02 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote: Of course, if you don't care about playback, then these features may not be of interest, but most users do care about playback Hi all, I have never cared much about playback, aside from a preliminary proof-read for simple engraving projects. Are there actual stats to show the veracity of the above statement? If this is the direction that Finale is going to take (to the exclusion of engraving issues), then perhaps it is time for me to bail. On the other hand, if this is not true, I would hate to see the programmers at MM getting the wrong impression about their subscriber base. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality
At 07:49 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: Sibelius' Dynamic Parts does not cover this. You will either need to extract the part the old-fashioned way and split it, or create both flute staves on the score. They also don't have the option of a TGTools plug-in for helping with this. Hi Tyler, Not sure what you mean by your last sentence. If you are talking about splitting an a2 extracted part into separate parts, Sibelius has pretty nifty filtering for this that is nearly foolproof. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality
At 10:57 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: The filters certainly help a lot, but they aren't as bright as the TGTools plug-in. Dealing with more than 2 parts on a staff takes more effort, since the select players for deletion filters don't work in those situations, and if you have 2 voices in a single measure along with instances of single voice chords, that filter doesn't work. The TGTools option also understands how to handle specific text, such as solo, and can automatically remove text that wouldn't ordinarily be included on the separate parts. Yes, I agree that TGTools is more powerful in this regard, although I find the process a touch clumsy visually. I find that Sibelius also fails to consistently assign dynamics to the correct parts when different voices are used in different measures. Well that's up to the user. Each expression can be assigned to a specific voice or all voices, and at the same time can be attached to specific notes where dynamics diverge or clarity is needed (although you have to keep an eye on those attachment lines!). Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
Well, last summer I heard Michael Manicaci, who lists himself as male soprano, sing an easily lofted and poised high c that many sopranos would envy (I'll bet he has range above that). His phrasing and tone in Handel's Imeneo -- and Orlando the summer before -- were both stunning and beyond reproach. The Imeneo may be heard in a live broadcast on NPR (today in my neighborhood -- maybe yours too). Dan Carno At 05:06 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote That said, however, the question of whether a countertenor may legitimately sing a given alto line (let's leave the sopranos out of it--I never heard of a countertenor who could hit a C above the treble clef and live to tell about it) is entirely a matter of what would have been considered appropriate at the time and place that the music was created. A friend of mine at college (Selwyn, Cambridge, England) had a reliable top C. He auditioned for a choral scholarship at King's College, but despite being amazed, Boris Ord turned him down, possibly because his sight reading was not quite good enough. Also the voice was not particularly appropriate for the job: the quality in the alto range was good, but not exceptional, and King's has boys for trebles. -- Ken Moore Musician and engineer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
At 10:13 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: It is the belief of many professionals that singing out of one's normal range is bad for the voice. Whether we agree or disagree is not the issue here. The issue is the motivation for the rule. Exactly. If the motivation is to protect *en masse* all those who choose this path, it implies that the teaching all the way up down the line is incapable of the necessary individual guidance. It seems more likely to me that the motivation is to protect the strict line between guys and dolls, to paraphrase Frank Loesser. And looking at the other end of the protection spectrum: David Daniels, Bejun Mehta, Drew Minter, Jeffrey Gall, Michael Chance, Andreas Scholl and Brian Asawa are all having great careers ruining their voices. It's too bad someone didn't stop them before it was too late. Now we all have to put up with Handel's Julius Caesar, Rinaldo, etc. being played by men. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...
At 03:52 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote: Sibelius asks that you define these properties of a note before you enter the note itself. Not true. I use Sibelius (as well as Finale) regularly, and I never input in this manner. I always enter the notes first and then everything else afterwards. Just as in Finale, it is a simple matter to do mass entry of articulations, mass copying of expressions, etc. I don't see that either program has the advantage here. Finale is a bit more flexible, but Sibelius' tremendous copy facility closes the gap quite handily. Ultimately, both programs are going to get you where you need to go. But one will put a smile on your face when you open it up every day, the other, less so. There is no predicting this. Each person has to find out for themselves, and a lively exchange of information helps this processs. I know many of you are tired of these Sibelius references on a Finale list, but the benefits overall far outweigh the inconvenience of hitting the delete key. The discussion has been informational for both programs, weeding out mis-information, and galvanizing ideas for a better version of Finale in the future, which is something we all want. In spite of some of the intense exchanges that have taken place here, I see nothing but good health here, and I will now go drink to all of yours (orange juice of course, it's a bit early in the day!). Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...
At 04:01 PM 7/13/2005, you wrote: Sibelius DOES ask you to specify the accidentals and augmentation dots before entering the notes. This is not optional unless you backtrack to the note, a method which is obviously not efficient. Hello Tyler, Well, this brings us right back to the point I have been making for years on this list. Both programs have a combination of annoyances and features. If the features column for you is longer than the annoyances, then you make your choice and *find ways to work around the annoyances. Discussions like this help us root out those annoyances to see if there are congenial solutions. For example, in Sibelius, I have 1-key macros for each accidental aug. dots. Each macro goes back, adds the required character and flips back to entry position, waiting for the next note; as fast simple as Finale. *F to enter a fermata is a reflex for me. For me tooin BOTH Sibelius and Finale. We all can come to terms with both the Angels and the Devils in our work, one way or another. Dan Carno __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 10:20 AM 7/11/2005, you wrote: At 05:55 AM 7/11/2005, you wrote: Hi all, I use both Finale and Sibelius. Although the extra steps mentioned here for Sibelius are exaggerated, nevertheless, there is no way that Sibelius can match Finale with the economy of keystrokes that Richard is looking for. If I were faced with a plethora of fingerings (or anything else for that matter) in a Sibelius project, I would make use of one of Sibelius' major strengths, which is its copy facility: select a nearby fingering and right click You mean chord-click right, Dan? L-R click simultaneously. Copy with mouse has to be checked in Prefs, it should be mentioned. I agree this is a great feature, I wish it was universal! Yes, actually I meant wheel-click on my Microsoft trackball, which I find easier that chording (I have the same problem playing the piano). Dan ken Dan Carno At 06:39 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote: Finale allows the creation of a shortcut for each individual fingering. But I do think I wouldn't mind the step of typing the fingering number, were it not for the extra steps. Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 10:03 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: I downloaded the demo this morning. The first feature I tried to look at was fingering numbers. The Demo documentation offers no help. I can find in the menus: Create - Text - Other Text - Guitar fingering (ALT C, X, O, G, OK) to add a fingering number to one note. As a Finale user I want one key shortcuts for each symbol but cannot find how to do this in the Demo with its limited documentation. Hi Richard, Well, you can create a 1-key shortcut in Preferences, Menus and shortcuts, Text styles, which would then wait for you to input the number. Beyond that you can create macros that would incorporate this shortcut with specific numbers. How does one quickly apply fingering numbers to a succession of notes? Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in Finale? Go to House style, Default positions, Text styles, where you can set precise positioning, relative to the note. Dan Carno _ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 11:16 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: At 08:01 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in Finale? Go to House style, Default positions, Text styles, where you can set precise positioning, relative to the note. Dan - See my response to this thread. Wouldn't you first have to first override the staff attachment in Edit Text Styles, which is grayed out? I've not yet been able to tweak Default Positions so that fingerings appear in anything but a row. Ken ___ Hi Ken, It sounds like you are talking about the vertical placement, which for these things in Sibelius, is always relative to the staff. However, they can also be entered as articulations to get precise vertical placement. This could be done with using custom artics, as well as replacing any articulation not in use in the score (Edit Symbols). As for dealing with many changing key and time signatures, I've never missed Finale's metatool feature here, since Sibelius' copy capabilities are so powerful and easily implemented... Dan Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 01:29 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: This can get you to the last menu item in the sequence, but then there is no way to shortcut to the exact articulation or text that you want. Richard, Once you create your own set(s) of shortcuts, it is just like Finale metatools. For example, I can select a note, strike F, and bingo -- a fermata appears, perfectly centered above the note. Dan Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 03:55 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: How? Under File - Preferences - Menus and Shortcuts all I see are existing menus. I go through Create - Symbol and then see no way to select a particular articulation to make a shortcut to. Hello Richard! Once you are in menus and shortcuts, open the drop-down list just under the heading. Select Add feature set, name it, and you are off running. Any available single keys or key combinations not used by the program are your first (but not only) fair game, as are any that you would not use, either because you don't need that shortcut, or you don't use that feature. And, of course, you can always get them all back by going to this same dialog and choosing Standard menus shortcuts. Of course, you can have a different set for every phase of your engraving routine Next go to Menu or category and choose Keypad F-11 articulations. Choose fermata and assign a key stroke or 2. Love to chat some more, but I have to go grocery shopping! Dan Yes, but of course you might end up replacing some default shortcuts, Find in this example. That sounds like a severe deficiency to me. Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4
At 06:30 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: ---'Erase background' in the staff style does not seem to carry over to the articulation. ---Vertical positioning in the staff style does not seem to carry over to the articulation although I have the horizontal about right. ---Even with horizontal positioning correct for most cases, sometimes it needs to be tweaked, but articulations cannot be dragged left and right as far as I can tell. (Actually it is worse than that. The fingering number is placed relative to the notehead and cannot be dragged to the left of a sharp sign. I could drag it down so it went behind the sharp and then could not grab it again to move or delete it.) ---Even though I have changed the name of the articulation to '4' from 'Fermata (pause)', that name does not change in the shortcuts menu. So if I changed articulation definitions for a whole bunch of existing articulations I would have to have keep track of what they all were in order to program the shortcuts. (Maybe that list resets when the program is rebooted, but I have not tried with the demo in case I would lose all I have changed so far.) ---There are not enough existing shortcut articulation slots to accommodate the fingerings and other signs that I need (and still keep the regular articulations that I would need). ---BIG PROBLEM: You cannot use more than one instance of an articulation on a chord. So if there is a guitar chord for which I want to have two '0' to show open strings Sibelius will not do it. Richard, All of the above is true. For your needs I would clone a shortcut-activated text expression and set it up to center horizontally on the notehead, with the option to precisely place it vertically where the mouse is clicked (rather than a default position, which is always measured from the notehead. This would necessitate typing the number each time (though you could set up all the numbers in a word menu and assign shortcuts, but why bother. These could be moved in all directions, and be made to erase the background. And they, including their precise positioning, can be copied. This is what I usually do for fingerings, but I usually don't have to do that many. Dan Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: 32nd's
Greetings! You will find what you need it Mat Hindson's (free) font called Rhythms (small z, I believe). Go to http://hindson.com Dan Carno At 01:30 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote: Hello, I currently use Finale 2004. I wouild like to create a tempo marking using 32nd notes but I can't seem to find a font to use as an expression mark. Neither Maestro nor Jazz fonts seem to have a 32nd notehead. 48 hours later I'm still scratching my head. I'd appreciate the assistance. Thanks, BE ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bracking Slurs and Staff Lines
Hello Giovanni, You can enter the numbers in the Shape designer (expression tool), adding a white mask box to each. (Once you have done one, simply duplicate change the number). Your numbers will then white out most musical elements. Good luck! Dan At 08:28 AM 9/16/2004, you wrote: Ciao Giovanni. Use a enclosure with line width zero and set to opaque. This work in the Expression Tool not in the Articulation one. Javier. I'm working on a part what needs a lot of fingering marks most of which overlap slurs and staff lines; which would be the best way to brake lines and slurs in a way to leave a little empty space around the fingering numbers? Thank you Giovanni Andreani ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
Hi Aaron, Yes, I see what you mean: the larger the intervals get, the more the number seems to pull away from the bracket; a black eye for Enhanced Tuplets. However, if you are doing a piece with mostly linear tuplet passages, I think things will look fairly reasonable, with less fussing than before 5K. Since this is one of only 3 features that I will find useful this time around, it would be nice if it worked perfectly! Dan Carno At 06:58 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote: At 03:00 PM 08/21/2004, Dan Carno wrote: We may be talking about different things here, but when I enter an eighth note tuplet, with the first note a rest, and do not edit it, I have a reasonable centered number (vertically horizontally) relative to the bracket. But look at http://files.aaron.sherber.com/tuplet.gif The problem is more apparent when you have several of these tuplets with different intervals -- the number is positioned vertically different from the bracket. Or enter just one tuplet, with the two notes an octave apart, and you'll see that the number is not in the correct vertical position. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
At 09:01 AM 8/21/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I'm one lost sale of 2005 because of this problem. Much of the music I deal with is 'tuplet-heavy'...the new tuplet function was the sole feature that would make the upgrade worth the money. Now it appears it wouldn't be. Am I missing something here? Enhanced tuplets work OK, unless you edit one by dragging one of the notes (or changing one into a chord), in which case you will have to edit the number position. I would rather do this until a fix comes along than deal with the mess that pre-Fin 2005 tuplets present. Dan Carno Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
Hi Aaron, We may be talking about different things here, but when I enter an eighth note tuplet, with the first note a rest, and do not edit it, I have a reasonable centered number (vertically horizontally) relative to the bracket. Now I have to admit, under magnification, the center tine of the 3 does seem a hair under the horizontal bracket lines, and there doesn't seem to be a setting to adjust this, but I don't consider this much of a liability considering the positive things in the Enhanced tuplet feature. Like Sam Johnson's flying Dog, I can't complain much that it didn't stay up all that long. Dan Carno At 10:25 AM 8/21/2004, you wrote: At 10:05 AM 08/21/2004, Dan Carno wrote: Am I missing something here? Enhanced tuplets work OK, unless you edit one by dragging one of the notes (or changing one into a chord), in which case you will have to edit the number position. It's not just a matter of dragging or changing. If you create a tuplet where the first note is a rest, the vertical position of the number seems to be determined independently of the position of the bracket. My original post involved dragging because that's an easy way to watch the number move apart from the bracket, but the spacing problem is there even if you just create the tuplet directly. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation tool
Hi all, The problem is that the articulations wind up on top of each other. My method is to add the first articulation (various methods); then run a macro which alters the vertical position of the first set -- via Mass Edit, Change Articulation Assignments -- by 36 evpu's; then add the second articulation. Dan Carno At 01:09 PM 6/25/2004, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Friday, June 25, 2004, at 08:39 AM, Stan Lord wrote: Remember how we can select a whole swathe of notes with the articulation tool and then select (say) an accent, and every note has an accent on it? Wonderful!! Have you ever tried to add another articulation (to the same notes) in the same way? Doesn't work for me. All that happens is the initial articulations are highlighted. So I have to apply the second ones individually. Is there any way of doing this, I wonder? Sure - use metatools. Hit Shift-letter/number to choose which articulation you'd like to set for that particular key. Then, hold the key while dragging around a group of notes, and it's added to all of them regardless of whether there are other articulations already present. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, Score and Igor 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation tool
Hello Hal, Yes that is true -- as long as you are using Finale 2004! Earlier versions only show articulation boxes on the selected note, so doing mass, multiple articulations this way is not possible. Judging by what I have seen in messages posted recently, I wonder what % of Finale users are actually running 2004? I am running it in Windows with few problems, but virtually none of the editors I work for will touch it with a 10 foot pole. Dan At 02:16 PM 6/26/2004, Harold Owen wrote: if you went to move the original set of articulations, you can use the Artic. Tool to select them all, then use the arrow keys to move them all at once up or down. For example, if you want . accents above staccato marks, you can enter the accents first, move them up, then use Mass Edit to enter the staccato marks. Quick and easy. Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, Score and Igor 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
