Re: [Finale] tambourine sound
Thank you very much! Will do as you suggested. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Jan Angermüller j...@angermueller.com wrote: Open the Score Manager and select your tambourine staff. Set Notation Style to Percussion and select Maracas, Tambourine Shakers in the Percussion layout selection dialog, then click on Select. Back in Score Manager set the Perc. MIDI Map of the tambourine staff to General MIDI and assign SmartMusicSynth as Device. When using MIDI playback (and not VST Playback), assign MIDI channel 10 to the tambourine staff in the Score Manager. When you now enter into the staff with speedy note entry, you should be able to enter and to hear maracas, tambourine and shakers notes. If you want to have tambourine only, you can edit the Maracas, Tambourine Shaker settings above and delete everything except Tambourine. Better make a duplicate of the original notation style before deleting. If you are not using SmartMusicSynth or any General MIDI playback engine, you may need a different Perc.MIDI Map and a different notation style. Best regards, Jan Am 21.01.2014 18:37, schrieb dr.a.s. weinstangel: Fin2012, Win 8.1. I am trying to assign one staff to tambourine sound. It is delightful to find that, say, in the Brush drum kit that would be MIDI note number 83, and in the Electronic drum kit it would be number 54, but I have no idea how to assign that globally to the whole staff. Sliding the note with the mouse gives me all possible sounds, except what I need here. Please help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tambourine sound
One more try with this question, as there was no response. Any suggestions, my friends? Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 From: dr...@hotmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Finale] tambourine sound Fin2012, Win 8.1. I am trying to assign one staff to tambourine sound. It is delightful to find that, say, in the Brush drum kit that would be MIDI note number 83, and in the Electronic drum kit it would be number 54, but I have no idea how to assign that globally to the whole staff. Sliding the note with the mouse gives me all possible sounds, except what I need here. Please help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tambourine sound
Open the Score Manager and select your tambourine staff. Set Notation Style to Percussion and select Maracas, Tambourine Shakers in the Percussion layout selection dialog, then click on Select. Back in Score Manager set the Perc. MIDI Map of the tambourine staff to General MIDI and assign SmartMusicSynth as Device. When using MIDI playback (and not VST Playback), assign MIDI channel 10 to the tambourine staff in the Score Manager. When you now enter into the staff with speedy note entry, you should be able to enter and to hear maracas, tambourine and shakers notes. If you want to have tambourine only, you can edit the Maracas, Tambourine Shaker settings above and delete everything except Tambourine. Better make a duplicate of the original notation style before deleting. If you are not using SmartMusicSynth or any General MIDI playback engine, you may need a different Perc.MIDI Map and a different notation style. Best regards, Jan Am 21.01.2014 18:37, schrieb dr.a.s. weinstangel: Fin2012, Win 8.1. I am trying to assign one staff to tambourine sound. It is delightful to find that, say, in the Brush drum kit that would be MIDI note number 83, and in the Electronic drum kit it would be number 54, but I have no idea how to assign that globally to the whole staff. Sliding the note with the mouse gives me all possible sounds, except what I need here. Please help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
The Garritan for Finale library does contain saxes, and no, installing GPO will not erase anything. You'll then have your choice of which library to draw from for each individual instrument in your score. On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Thanks, that will keep me going till the funds allow the next step! Phil. At 08:14 PM 2/22/2013, you wrote: The Garritan for Finale library does contain saxes, and no, installing GPO will not erase anything. You'll then have your choice of which library to draw from for each individual instrument in your score. On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no sound
-- From: Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:26 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] no sound I just made a new file for String Quartet, and began writing... but there is no sound. .. Where do I go to make this file play Thanks, Linda Linda, look in the Score Manager, and make sure that the assigned channels (at the right) agree with the ARIA player settings. It has happened for me, too. Ian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no sound
Duh! I should have said. It's finale mac 2012. All my other finale files play, but many of those were created in Fin mac 2010. I imported them into 2012 and they play just fine. Only this new one that I created from the template will not play. I finally did get it to play--sort of. But unless I pump up the basic volume to ridiculously high number, I can barely hear it. Very puzzling, as all those old files play beautifully. Thanks for taking time to answer. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
On Wed, July 14, 2010 12:09 am, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: More details, please, about your play Finale through MIDI settings. What are you using as a playback device, softsynth (whose), or some other method? For example, I've got Finale 2010 on WIN XP SP3 set up to playback through MIDI, but the MIDI playback is through a USB audio device. If through a USB audio device, is the device plugged directly into the machine, or is it through a hub? Overlapping messages, I see. :) Yes, USB audio (Saffire Pro-40), directly into the machine. Other devices go through the hub. The problem occurs in either device I set up (Finale's softsynth or Instruments for Finale...). It appears to be associated with how Finale is initiating the sound output. Does the same behavior occur with all documents, or only specific one(s)? I haven't tried. This is my first document (other than some I've tried to diagnose for other folks) that I've been doing in 2010. If you have any earlier version of Finale installed, what happens if you save one of the offending files as a MIDI file, load it into the earlier version, and try to play it back? What happens if you load a document into an earlier version, save it as a MIDI file, load the MIDI file into 2010, and try to play it back? I have Finale 97, 2003, 2005, 2006 and 2007 also installed, but what will that reveal? This problem occurs in Speedy note entry as well, where the playback of the input note will occur with an increasing delay until either I can't stand it anymore, it just stops playing the entered note, or I re-open the document. (It is correctly saving audio files, but they aren't in real time.) At some point recently, MakeMusic changed the MIDI engine, and I have problems with MIDI files which play correctly in earlier versions, and do not play correctly in 2010. In my case, the issue is not a playback lag; if multiple voices are assigned to the same MIDI channel, not all MIDI off signals get processed correctly, so I wind up with tone clusters which do not terminate when the piece ends. The only option is to turn off the (external, USB connected) device, and turn it back on. Ouch. I wonder if that will do it ... I will check the next time I get to the can't-stand-it level. Thanks again, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Yes, USB audio (Saffire Pro-40), directly into the machine. Other devices go through the hub. What happens if you playback through an external device through the Saffire pro-40, like a digital keyboard, or ...? If you have any earlier version of Finale installed, what happens if you save one of the offending files as a MIDI file, load it into the earlier version, and try to play it back? What happens if you load a document into an earlier version, save it as a MIDI file, load the MIDI file into 2010, and try to play it back? I have Finale 97, 2003, 2005, 2006 and 2007 also installed, but what will that reveal? If you save the file which is giving problem with the playback as a MIDI file, and load the MIDI into an earlier version, if playback is the same there as it is in 2010, then there is likely something in the file itself. If, on the other hand, the MIDI plays back without the time lag issues in 2005 (just to pick one from the list), then you know that the problem is likely not in the file. Saving a MIDI in an earlier version, loading that MIDI into 2010, and playing back is another way to determine that it is something in the software (or your settings), and not in a specific file. And since This problem occurs in Speedy note entry as well, where the playback of the input note will occur with an increasing delay until either I can't stand it anymore, it just stops playing the entered note, or I re-open the document. (It is correctly saving audio files, but they aren't in real time.) I suspect it is the settings, somewhere, but that is about the limit of my skillset with respect to MIDI. FWIW, on my system, where I am as yet unaware of the problems you are having with MIDI (I've not yet had problems with latency on speedy entry, for example), under the MIDI/Audio menu, in the device setup menu, the MIDI through menu item is checked, and the smart radio button is selected in the MIDI throught menu. I'd be curious to know if you get the same problems with simple entry. I know what causes the MIDI problems I have with 2010 are entirely regarding the MIDI playback subsystem not properly processing note off messages; I have no problem with either simple or speedy entry. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
On Wed, July 14, 2010 9:57 am, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: What happens if you playback through an external device through the Saffire pro-40, like a digital keyboard, or ...? That's all I have. I got rid of all my hardware except my Behringer Midi pedal (that's on the traveling laptop), and I don't use a keyboard other than the computer one. under the MIDI/Audio menu, in the device setup menu, the MIDI through menu item is checked, and the smart radio button is selected in the MIDI through menu. Yes, selected. I'd be curious to know if you get the same problems with simple entry. I've never used it, and don't even know how. I'm one of those who started with Speedy and never tried any other method. When playing back, Finale appears to be a CPU hog, pretty much at 45-55%. Maybe the programming with respect to a Core Duo processor is the issue. I've heard of other programs that have problems with multiple-core processors. No way Finale should be taking half the power of a 3GHz CPU just to play eight parts. Ah, well. For now I'll just close re-open the document when it gets annoying! D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Ah, well. For now I'll just close re-open the document when it gets annoying! Actually, given the problems I have with MIDI playback, I'd like to see you open a support desk ticket ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, First time actually working Finale 2010 (Windows XP Pro SP3) I'm having a problem with increasing sound lag. The more I use the program, the more the sound lags behind the note entry or playback. After about 15 minutes, the sound lags 5+ seconds. I'm just using the basic play Finale through Midi setting. If I exit and restart Finale, the problem goes away, but slowly recurs. Any clues? Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon what you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory, and what else is going on in the background when you try to play back? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
On Tue, July 13, 2010 4:28 pm, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon what you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory, and what else is going on in the background when you try to play back? That's the thing. Nothing but the usual background tasks. This is WinXP Pro SP3, Intel Core Duo 3GHz, 2GB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 9400 driving two 22-inch displays (one landscape, one portrait), Saffire Pro-40 8-channel outboard audio. The system was custom-built for me less than a year ago for audio. Finale 2007 works fine, no lags even with Garritan stuff running. No other audio or video application shows the slightest problem. But Finale consistently begins to lag, sometimes playing a whole crunch of notes 10-15 seconds later as it catches up. I just tested it on Garritan stuff and same problem. The display shows the cursor moving for playback normally. I've had to restart Finale about every 20 minutes. Thanks for any insights! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
On Tue, July 13, 2010 4:28 pm, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon what you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory, and what else is going on in the background when you try to play back? Two more bits of info. If the document is closed and re-opened, it will play again. Finale itself doesn't have to be restarted. If I have Finale play a few measures and then just leave it alone for 10 minutes, the next time I come back, there is a long lag. If I close and re-open the file, let it play once, and come back quite a while (about 20+ minutes), it no longer plays at all, and I have to re-open the document. So whatever is happening starts with the first play and just keeps going. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I'm just using the basic play Finale through Midi setting. More details, please, about your play Finale through MIDI settings. What are you using as a playback device, softsynth (whose), or some other method? For example, I've got Finale 2010 on WIN XP SP3 set up to playback through MIDI, but the MIDI playback is through a USB audio device. If through a USB audio device, is the device plugged directly into the machine, or is it through a hub? If the document is closed and re-opened, it will play again. Does the same behavior occur with all documents, or only specific one(s)? If you have any earlier version of Finale installed, what happens if you save one of the offending files as a MIDI file, load it into the earlier version, and try to play it back? What happens if you load a document into an earlier version, save it as a MIDI file, load the MIDI file into 2010, and try to play it back? At some point recently, MakeMusic changed the MIDI engine, and I have problems with MIDI files which play correctly in earlier versions, and do not play correctly in 2010. In my case, the issue is not a playback lag; if multiple voices are assigned to the same MIDI channel, not all MIDI off signals get processed correctly, so I wind up with tone clusters which do not terminate when the piece ends. The only option is to turn off the (external, USB connected) device, and turn it back on. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
Thanks! I'll try working with it and see if that helps the problem. Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:20:39 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry I think I've found it! Uncheck playback in the speedy menu. Who'd have thoughtdefinitely not intuitive. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
This happens to me too. Can't explain it. Looking forward to some insight. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.comwrote: This happens in some files and not others. I can't seem to find any difference in settings that might cause this.. But sometimes I can only get sounds out of my keyboard when in the speedy entry tool. As soon as I exit to another tool, silence. I have midi thru set to fixed channel 1, in order to get the piano sound. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
I have had the same thing happen to me, also. I have no explanation, either, though it is probably something basic? Thanks ahead, also, Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:37:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry This happens to me too. Can't explain it. Looking forward to some insight. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.comwrote: This happens in some files and not others. I can't seem to find any difference in settings that might cause this.. But sometimes I can only get sounds out of my keyboard when in the speedy entry tool. As soon as I exit to another tool, silence. I have midi thru set to fixed channel 1, in order to get the piano sound. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
I think I have been able to recreate your problem. If the instrument list is set to mute all, there will be no playback, but the notes entered in speedy will still sound to the chosen instrument sound for the given staff. So take a look at your instrument list from the Windows menu. Klaus Finale 2010b for Mac --- On Mon, 1/4/10, mmathew1...@comcast.net mmathew1...@comcast.net wrote: From: mmathew1...@comcast.net mmathew1...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 12:34 AM I have had the same thing happen to me, also. I have no explanation, either, though it is probably something basic? Thanks ahead, also, Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:37:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry This happens to me too. Can't explain it. Looking forward to some insight. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.comwrote: This happens in some files and not others. I can't seem to find any difference in settings that might cause this.. But sometimes I can only get sounds out of my keyboard when in the speedy entry tool. As soon as I exit to another tool, silence. I have midi thru set to fixed channel 1, in order to get the piano sound. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
My instrument list is set for all instruments. I rummaged around in the MIDI/Audio menu item MIDI setup until I examined the output source for softsynth settings which listed two sources: Default Output, and Built-in Output. I tried the input both ways and discovered the following to be true for my setup: Toggling latter allows us to hear the keyboard; whereas, the default output leaves us with sound only in speedy edit? Michael Mathew Finale 2010b for Mac, also - Original Message - From: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:16:47 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry I think I have been able to recreate your problem. If the instrument list is set to mute all, there will be no playback, but the notes entered in speedy will still sound to the chosen instrument sound for the given staff. So take a look at your instrument list from the Windows menu. Klaus Finale 2010b for Mac --- On Mon, 1/4/10, mmathew1...@comcast.net mmathew1...@comcast.net wrote: From: mmathew1...@comcast.net mmathew1...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 12:34 AM I have had the same thing happen to me, also. I have no explanation, either, though it is probably something basic? Thanks ahead, also, Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:37:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry This happens to me too. Can't explain it. Looking forward to some insight. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.comwrote: This happens in some files and not others. I can't seem to find any difference in settings that might cause this.. But sometimes I can only get sounds out of my keyboard when in the speedy entry tool. As soon as I exit to another tool, silence. I have midi thru set to fixed channel 1, in order to get the piano sound. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
softsynth settings which listed two sources: Default Output, and Built-in Output.Michael Mathew At first I thought you'd hit on it, because when I opened a new document and the piano sound worked fine. But then as soon as I went to the speedy entry tool and then left itit stopped. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com Finale 2010b iMac ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi Sound disappears when not in Speedy Entry
I think I've found it! Uncheck playback in the speedy menu. Who'd have thoughtdefinitely not intuitive. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
Raymond Horton wrote: [snip] Once, many years ago, a rock sound guy (perhaps not the tightest cable tie in the bunch, if you get my drift) was setting up mics for a pops concert of ours. I mentioned to him how we had a problem at the rehearsal getting a solo heard. He said to me, missing the point of what I had just said: That's the great thing about a symphony job. You just put up a bunch of mics, turn 'em on, and it sounds like a symphony! How can you argue with logic like that? He didn't grow up to be president, did he? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
When did I say you were? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 May 2007, at 7:56 PM, John Howell wrote: So I'm sorry Darcy: while I insist that there are good uses for sound reinforcement, and even for amplification, I also insist that there are times when only a good acoustic sound will do. That does NOT make me an anti-amplification fundamentalist, whatever you think that means. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
Darcy James Argue wrote: I wlll never understand the anti-amplification fundamentalists. John Howell wrote: That does NOT make me an anti-amplification fundamentalist, whatever you think that means. John It seems to me that Darcy's comment came after my lament, so I will willingly take on the label of anti-amplification fundamentalist, but only 100% when it comes to symphony orchestras. Economics force symphony orchestras to play pops concerts in locations and musical situations where they must be amplified, and it never works well. I agree that in other areas that have been discussed by John and others, over-amplification is too often the first solution.Certainly sound re-enforcement can be done well, but too often it isn't.That's all I am saying on the general subject. Once, many years ago, a rock sound guy (perhaps not the tightest cable tie in the bunch, if you get my drift) was setting up mics for a pops concert of ours. I mentioned to him how we had a problem at the rehearsal getting a solo heard. He said to me, missing the point of what I had just said: That's the great thing about a symphony job. You just put up a bunch of mics, turn 'em on, and it sounds like a symphony! How can you argue with logic like that? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
Raymond Horton wrote: That's the great thing about a symphony job. You just put up a bunch of mics, turn 'em on, and it sounds like a symphony! How can you argue with logic like that? Slap 'em upside the head with a rubber chicken? (It always seemed to work for Monty Python). cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
On May 9, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Once, many years ago, a rock sound guy (perhaps not the tightest cable tie in the bunch, if you get my drift) was setting up mics for a pops concert of ours. I mentioned to him how we had a problem at the rehearsal getting a solo heard. He said to me, missing the point of what I had just said: That's the great thing about a symphony job. You just put up a bunch of mics, turn 'em on, and it sounds like a symphony! How can you argue with logic like that? Well, I'm not sure he's so far off. I give a lot of... well, let's say constructive... comments to sound engineers, especially if I am in the audience and paying good prices. I went up and spoke to the sound guy at a Joe Lovano concert here in Montreal at the Jazz Festival because of the bad sound quality, and darned if the sound didn't get better in the second half. All I said was, Do you think the bass drum is that loud on stage? Amazing the difference that made. On the flip side, I also make it a point to mention when the sound has been good, and every time I do, I get variants of the same answer: I didn't do much, just set a basic position and balance and let them play. So if the band already played with a good sound and balance, the sound guy didn't stick his fingers where they weren't needed, to the benefit of everyone. Phil Nimmons (I consider him to be the Canadian Duke Ellington, because of the quality of his output, but I also have a special fondness for him because he got me started writing) always used the same sound man, Jake, and introduced him so he could take a bow at the end of every concert of his band. Jake said that he got the gig when Phil came up to him before a concert and said, You know, my band plays pretty soft sometimes. When they do, don't turn them up. and Jake's response was, Of course not! Phil hugged him after the show, and a beautiful relationship was born. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Sound reinforcement (was Can you spot the fake?)
Christopher Smith wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Once, many years ago, a rock sound guy (perhaps not the tightest cable tie in the bunch, if you get my drift) was setting up mics for a pops concert of ours. I mentioned to him how we had a problem at the rehearsal getting a solo heard. He said to me, missing the point of what I had just said: That's the great thing about a symphony job. You just put up a bunch of mics, turn 'em on, and it sounds like a symphony! How can you argue with logic like that? Well, I'm not sure he's so far off. I give a lot of... well, let's say constructive... comments to sound engineers, especially if I am in the audience and paying good prices. I went up and spoke to the sound guy at a Joe Lovano concert here in Montreal at the Jazz Festival because of the bad sound quality, and darned if the sound didn't get better in the second half. All I said was, Do you think the bass drum is that loud on stage? Amazing the difference that made. On the flip side, I also make it a point to mention when the sound has been good, and every time I do, I get variants of the same answer: I didn't do much, just set a basic position and balance and let them play. ... Christopher Difference was - it sounds like your guys had some idea what they where doing. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Kim Patrick Clow / 2006/12/11 / 08:19 PM wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) My orchestra demo here: http://a-no-ne.com/music/music/ was done by G5 Dual 2.5Hz/3.5GB RAM. Can anyone answer the question then about how Garritan can claim that you can load a full orchestra with only 1GB of ram? That certainly sounds like a downright lie based on all the experiences mentioned here. Or is the Garritan concept of a full orchestra one with strings only? Or was it possibly on a computer where the only things loaded were the OS and GPO? I am sick of software marketers lying about the technical specs required for their software in order to get customers. Or is it in the finer details where the Garritan web-site says that you need 1GB to load a full orchestra, but it really doesn't make a claim that you can actually play any music with that loaded. Either way, based on these real world experiences, that claim is certainly false and should be changed to be more realistic. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Daniel Wolf wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? There are two issues here, using Garritan samples in a live player (i.e. while working in Finale), and using them to generate a sound file. The first usage is RAM intensive, and even with a gb of RAM you are going to be limited to 6-8 instruments at once. The second usage, in which the rendering is not done in real time and can take samples from the harddisk as well as from the RAM should be able to handle orchestral textures without a problem (aside from phasing unison samples, which can be tweaked with small time, pitch, or spatial adjustments). In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Well it is a Garritan problem when their web-site claims that you only need 1GB of ram, when in reality to actually USE the samples it's obvious that far more than that is required. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
At 08:43 AM 12/12/06 +0100, Daniel Wolf wrote: In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Doesn't it depend on the implementation? I have used large arrangements (more than 32 tracks) with dozens of massive soundfonts and patch changes (including a 500MB piano font for a Yamaha grand) running with 512MB RAM and a 1.6GHz processor (AMD, not Intel). Fast disks can load/unload or stream these large samples in real time; I use 7200RPM disks with very low access times. The only slowdown is processor demand for effects. The CPU can't keep up with those. (But I also understand disk streaming of samples from disk is patented by the Gigasampler folks.) What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Streaming is discouraged due to the CPU load it causes. From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Sent: Tue 12-Dec-06 12:37 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale? At 08:43 AM 12/12/06 +0100, Daniel Wolf wrote: In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Doesn't it depend on the implementation? I have used large arrangements (more than 32 tracks) with dozens of massive soundfonts and patch changes (including a 500MB piano font for a Yamaha grand) running with 512MB RAM and a 1.6GHz processor (AMD, not Intel). Fast disks can load/unload or stream these large samples in real time; I use 7200RPM disks with very low access times. The only slowdown is processor demand for effects. The CPU can't keep up with those. (But I also understand disk streaming of samples from disk is patented by the Gigasampler folks.) What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Actually, the Garritan samples are much smaller than the instruments in most sampled libraries. They compensate for the small sample size by using sophisticated programming. The library was designed from the ground up to be loaded into RAM. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Dec 2006, at 12:37 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/ unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
I have two computers to do it. I run Kontkat on my PC (2.3 Gigahertz), and run some instruments on my Dual 1.8 Ghz G4. I can do about 8 or so complex GPO sounds on the PC. Depends on the patch. On the Mac, I generally can get a full saxophone section using Garritan Jazz. Generally though, I have to record about 3 audio tracks to get a full mockup rendered. Randolph Peters wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
- To play an entire orchestra, we recommend 1 GB of RAM. This is a direct copy-and-paste quote from the Garritan web site. Don't you just love it when a manufacturer gives specs on their web-site which just don't work out in real life. Or maybe they know something we don't? David H. Bailey Randolph Peters wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Yes, traditional orch, wind ensemble, and jazz band--all Garritan. Actually, Jazz Band eats the most RAM because of the programming. A full jazz band with the non-lite versions of inst. eats a goodly chunk of my 2 gB and, with reverb, maxes my processor . Wind ens. has 2fl/picc, 2ob, Eb cl., 6Bb cl., BsCl, 2 Bsns, AATBBs Sax (JABB bass sax is cool), 4 hrns, 4tpt, 3trb, 2 euph (using horns), 2 tubas, percussion. I combine GPO, Finale GPO, and JABB 2gB RAM, Centrino @ 2 gHz, Echo Indigo Sound Card, ASIO4ALL. NOTE TO KIM: GPO instruments will be bland unexpressive out of the box. Human Playback will help to a large extent. If you decide to get GPO, read Darcy's tutorial for GPO and Finale. There is a currently GROUP BUY for GPO at garritan.com GPO is selling for a measly $139, I think. Even at the full price, it's a great value. Wind ensemble demos at http://www.esnips.com/doc/4e925e9d-a874-4f6d-9342-a036dac131de and http://www.esnips.com/doc/3f011827-45bc-43ea-aa59-49fd36c64fae ...first 2 movements of Holst 2nd Suite in F. Jim From: Randolph Peters Sent: Mon 11-Dec-06 19:24 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale? Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
On 12/11/06, Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, traditional orch, wind ensemble, and jazz band--all Garritan. Actually, Jazz NOTE TO KIM: GPO instruments will be bland unexpressive out of the box. Human Playback will help to a large extent. If you decide to get GPO, read Darcy's tutorial for GPO and Finale. Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) Thanks much! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow / 2006/12/11 / 08:19 PM wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) My orchestra demo here: http://a-no-ne.com/music/music/ was done by G5 Dual 2.5Hz/3.5GB RAM. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? There are two issues here, using Garritan samples in a live player (i.e. while working in Finale), and using them to generate a sound file. The first usage is RAM intensive, and even with a gb of RAM you are going to be limited to 6-8 instruments at once. The second usage, in which the rendering is not done in real time and can take samples from the harddisk as well as from the RAM should be able to handle orchestral textures without a problem (aside from phasing unison samples, which can be tweaked with small time, pitch, or spatial adjustments). In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. DJW ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] No Sound
It works! Apparently the channels settings weren't compatible. We changed Send MIDI Values from Only Channel 1 to All MIDI channels, and it works. Such a relief. Thank you again for taking your time to help us (novices) put together these disparate pieces of equipment. Patricia Spedden -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kuhlmann Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] No Sound Patricia, My immediate reaction to your problem description is that the MIDI setup of the Proformance module at college differs from the setup on the tone generator which you use at home in some way related to either MIDI channel numbers or program numbers. Simply put, the equipment at home responds to the note on / off messages etc on the MIDI channels generated by Finale playback whereas the Proformance module at college ignores messages on the same channel(s). I assume that the Finale setup remains the same in each situation. You do not give enough detail about equipmet connections and setups to enable a good diagnosis and I am not familiar with any of the equipment you might be using other than Finale, but I would look at the following matters to ensure that both tone generators are setup compatibly: 1)Does the Proformance respond to the program numbers generated by Finale playback? I understand it is limited to 16 piano sounds; what program numbers does it respond to? I.e. is the instrument assignment (=program number assignment) in your Finale file compatible with the Proformance's capabilites? Therefore make sure that the MIDI program numbers generated by Finale are suitable. 2)Make sure that Finale Playback is generating messages on MIDI channels accessible by the Proformance module. Because it is a piano module, I assume that it is necessary for Finale to generate messages on a single channel only. If Finale is generating on several channels then the situation can be very problematical. Your home equipment might be set up to respond on all channels generated in your Finale setup, whereas the Proformance may not respond to the same channels. 3)So, is the Proformance responding to the to the same MIDI channels as your home sound module? Check the MIDI mode in which each generator is operating, considering in particular Mode 1 (Omni Mode = Omni On/Poly) vs Mode 3 (Poly Mode = Omni Off/Poly). In a studio situation with other synthesizers available, it is quite likely that a module like the Proformance would be setup to operate in Poly Mode; whereas a single synthesizer at home might default to Omni Mode for convenience. 4)If the Proformance is in Poly Mode and set to channel X, make sure that Finale playback generates on channel X also. If your home generator is also in Poly Mode you will need to change its channel number to X to match, but you need not change it if it is in Omni Mode. 5)If the Proformance is in Omni Mode and the program numbers are compatible then I can only suggest that the Proformance is not receiving any note messages and you should look at what might be happening at other points on the signal path between your laptop and the Proformance module. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patricia Spedden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [Finale] No Sound I teach at a college where we have purchased a number of Fastlane MIDI interfaces. They are used mainly with Macs. However, I have WinXP laptop that I'm trying to use at the college for a lengthy, urgent project with the following equipment: * Fastlane interface * Fatar Studio 90 master controller with no internal sounds * Proformance/1 16-bit piano module * Amplified speakers * Finale 2005 This all works fine at home with a Roland MPU64 USB interface which I've updated with an XP driver. I'd prefer to be able to use the MOTU with Finale at the college (so I don't have to disconnect everything daily), but can get no sound through the Proformance module using the MOTU. The MOTU in/out lights come on appropriately, but there's no sound. We have tried every possible configuration with no luck. Could anyone tell us how to make this work as soon as possible? (Dr.) Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No Sound
Patricia, It is a pleasure to contribute to this wonderful List. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patricia Spedden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [Finale] No Sound It works! Apparently the channels settings weren't compatible. We changed Send MIDI Values from Only Channel 1 to All MIDI channels, and it works. Such a relief. Thank you again for taking your time to help us (novices) put together these disparate pieces of equipment. Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] No Sound
Hi Ken- good to see you on the list! When are you back in band? Cheers K Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kuhlmann Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 12:29 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] No Sound Patricia, It is a pleasure to contribute to this wonderful List. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patricia Spedden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [Finale] No Sound It works! Apparently the channels settings weren't compatible. We changed Send MIDI Values from Only Channel 1 to All MIDI channels, and it works. Such a relief. Thank you again for taking your time to help us (novices) put together these disparate pieces of equipment. Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.3 - Release Date: 31/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.3 - Release Date: 31/01/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No Sound
Patricia, My immediate reaction to your problem description is that the MIDI setup of the Proformance module at college differs from the setup on the tone generator which you use at home in some way related to either MIDI channel numbers or program numbers. Simply put, the equipment at home responds to the note on / off messages etc on the MIDI channels generated by Finale playback whereas the Proformance module at college ignores messages on the same channel(s). I assume that the Finale setup remains the same in each situation. You do not give enough detail about equipmet connections and setups to enable a good diagnosis and I am not familiar with any of the equipment you might be using other than Finale, but I would look at the following matters to ensure that both tone generators are setup compatibly: 1)Does the Proformance respond to the program numbers generated by Finale playback? I understand it is limited to 16 piano sounds; what program numbers does it respond to? I.e. is the instrument assignment (=program number assignment) in your Finale file compatible with the Proformance's capabilites? Therefore make sure that the MIDI program numbers generated by Finale are suitable. 2)Make sure that Finale Playback is generating messages on MIDI channels accessible by the Proformance module. Because it is a piano module, I assume that it is necessary for Finale to generate messages on a single channel only. If Finale is generating on several channels then the situation can be very problematical. Your home equipment might be set up to respond on all channels generated in your Finale setup, whereas the Proformance may not respond to the same channels. 3)So, is the Proformance responding to the to the same MIDI channels as your home sound module? Check the MIDI mode in which each generator is operating, considering in particular Mode 1 (Omni Mode = Omni On/Poly) vs Mode 3 (Poly Mode = Omni Off/Poly). In a studio situation with other synthesizers available, it is quite likely that a module like the Proformance would be setup to operate in Poly Mode; whereas a single synthesizer at home might default to Omni Mode for convenience. 4)If the Proformance is in Poly Mode and set to channel X, make sure that Finale playback generates on channel X also. If your home generator is also in Poly Mode you will need to change its channel number to X to match, but you need not change it if it is in Omni Mode. 5)If the Proformance is in Omni Mode and the program numbers are compatible then I can only suggest that the Proformance is not receiving any note messages and you should look at what might be happening at other points on the signal path between your laptop and the Proformance module. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patricia Spedden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [Finale] No Sound I teach at a college where we have purchased a number of Fastlane MIDI interfaces. They are used mainly with Macs. However, I have WinXP laptop that I'm trying to use at the college for a lengthy, urgent project with the following equipment: * Fastlane interface * Fatar Studio 90 master controller with no internal sounds * Proformance/1 16-bit piano module * Amplified speakers * Finale 2005 This all works fine at home with a Roland MPU64 USB interface which I've updated with an XP driver. I'd prefer to be able to use the MOTU with Finale at the college (so I don't have to disconnect everything daily), but can get no sound through the Proformance module using the MOTU. The MOTU in/out lights come on appropriately, but there's no sound. We have tried every possible configuration with no luck. Could anyone tell us how to make this work as soon as possible? (Dr.) Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] No Sound
Thank you so much for your speedy response. When I go to the college on Monday (it's some distance away), I'll check out every one of your suggestions. Thus far, It's been such a waste of time very frustrating. Hopefully, one of your suggestions will solve this. Patricia Spedden From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kenneth Kuhlmann Sent: Sat 1/29/2005 9:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] No Sound Patricia, My immediate reaction to your problem description is that the MIDI setup of the Proformance module at college differs from the setup on the tone generator which you use at home in some way related to either MIDI channel numbers or program numbers. Simply put, the equipment at home responds to the note on / off messages etc on the MIDI channels generated by Finale playback whereas the Proformance module at college ignores messages on the same channel(s). I assume that the Finale setup remains the same in each situation. You do not give enough detail about equipmet connections and setups to enable a good diagnosis and I am not familiar with any of the equipment you might be using other than Finale, but I would look at the following matters to ensure that both tone generators are setup compatibly: 1)Does the Proformance respond to the program numbers generated by Finale playback? I understand it is limited to 16 piano sounds; what program numbers does it respond to? I.e. is the instrument assignment (=program number assignment) in your Finale file compatible with the Proformance's capabilites? Therefore make sure that the MIDI program numbers generated by Finale are suitable. 2)Make sure that Finale Playback is generating messages on MIDI channels accessible by the Proformance module. Because it is a piano module, I assume that it is necessary for Finale to generate messages on a single channel only. If Finale is generating on several channels then the situation can be very problematical. Your home equipment might be set up to respond on all channels generated in your Finale setup, whereas the Proformance may not respond to the same channels. 3)So, is the Proformance responding to the to the same MIDI channels as your home sound module? Check the MIDI mode in which each generator is operating, considering in particular Mode 1 (Omni Mode = Omni On/Poly) vs Mode 3 (Poly Mode = Omni Off/Poly). In a studio situation with other synthesizers available, it is quite likely that a module like the Proformance would be setup to operate in Poly Mode; whereas a single synthesizer at home might default to Omni Mode for convenience. 4)If the Proformance is in Poly Mode and set to channel X, make sure that Finale playback generates on channel X also. If your home generator is also in Poly Mode you will need to change its channel number to X to match, but you need not change it if it is in Omni Mode. 5)If the Proformance is in Omni Mode and the program numbers are compatible then I can only suggest that the Proformance is not receiving any note messages and you should look at what might be happening at other points on the signal path between your laptop and the Proformance module. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patricia Spedden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [Finale] No Sound I teach at a college where we have purchased a number of Fastlane MIDI interfaces. They are used mainly with Macs. However, I have WinXP laptop that I'm trying to use at the college for a lengthy, urgent project with the following equipment: * Fastlane interface * Fatar Studio 90 master controller with no internal sounds * Proformance/1 16-bit piano module * Amplified speakers * Finale 2005 This all works fine at home with a Roland MPU64 USB interface which I've updated with an XP driver. I'd prefer to be able to use the MOTU with Finale at the college (so I don't have to disconnect everything daily), but can get no sound through the Proformance module using the MOTU. The MOTU in/out lights come on appropriately, but there's no sound. We have tried every possible configuration with no luck. Could anyone tell us how to make this work as soon as possible? (Dr.) Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI Sound card problem
Have you rebooted windows... tends to fix a lot of problems -Original Message- From: Giz Bowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 3:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] MIDI Sound card problem I've just tried using WinFin2005 my transcribing software, only to get an error from Transcribe! that the sound card is already in use. It seems I had the same conflict in WinFin2004, only I've forgotten how I fixed it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Giz ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
