RE: Helmets
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, so I have a solution. Motorcycle helmet, or horse helmet. I just have my wife shave my head with the clippers, about 1/4 inch long, and no more helmet hair. Plus, when you don't get around to washing it for a few days, like on a backpack trip, it still looks pretty good. I guess I have seen a few women who look pretty good with short hair, some it doesn't do much for though. Maybe a pony tail for them. You could always shave it off and sell it for wig material to the cancer patients, buy a halter or something with the proceeds. My wife wears helmet also even when ground training. I wear one when trimming hoves, ground work, and riding. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Wigley Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:45 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Helmets Emily, flat haired today and proud of it! :-) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Other life
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, by the way, as I mentioned earlier, we might be willing to sell some horses. I think we could even arrange breeding a couple mares and selling the foals to you if any one would be willing to go that route. I say this as I opened up Tiffany's web site below and thought I saw a familiar face. If not mistaken, the picture of the Fjord on her home page is one of our farm's offspring. I think they are very nice horses, good conformation, by my eye anyhow, and would make a very good horse for someone. We have sold 4 I think, all greys, they all seem to be similar height, about 14.1-14.2, I have had a couple around 14.3 I think. Call my wife for details. Sandra Skeels, Lord's Farm Fjords at 406-475-3123 Mark Skeels * And for anyone who is interested, I've just got my website up and running. It's still a work in progress, but constructive criticism is welcome! http://web.mac.com/windfieldfarm Tiffany in hot, humid, unpleasant Illinios! Ick! [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Subject: Re: other life...
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, my other life isn't that exciting, but it is a good job. Maybe I wish I was house sitting a farm and doing some gardening like that other lady and her husband, but it is good here. I work for GE on Diagnostic Medical Equipment (anything that takes a picture of the inside of your body). Used to work on it all, from 85-96, but then I became a support engineer for X-Ray only. I moved remote to Montana a couple years ago and work out of a little office in my basement. Very nice since I don't have to commute any more. Also a Scoutmaster to a bunch of boys, that takes up a bunch of time but is rewarding. My wife Sandra, is a wonderful housewife, mom and home school teacher to our 2 kids. Sometimes we have a little month at the end of our money, as they say, but we think it is important for one of us to be here for the kids while they are growing up. We have 8 Fjords right now, anybody want to buy one?, have some real nice ones. We just bought $2800 in hay, 3 loads today, 3 tomorrow and 3 the next day. That is why I ask. A lot of work loading and unloading a thousand bales. Pretty much feed 365 here on 20 acres. 8 horses have the 20 acres eaten off in a few weeks. There's a lot more, but don't want to make this into a thesis. Mark Skeels in Helena Montana The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Check your trailer floors
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pull up your mats. You shouldn't really have your mats down on the floor when your not using your trailer anyhow as they hold in urine, moisture, etc, and accelerate the rotting process, plus the urine eats the metal away also. Anyhow, with the mats up, your floor is probably made out of boards, we're not talking an aluminum trailer, as those floors are usually aluminum. Check the boards for rot, soft spots, punky wood. Wood should be solid. That's about it. I had a horse go thru on a short 3 city block haul once, went down, and found a solid portion of the trailer, luckily, could have been real bad, even just traveling 25 mph. Most people that have mats in their trailers over the floor, usually don't pull the mats up like they should to let it dry out, as they are sooo heavy, even for a pretty strong guy. Usually just have to pick up a corner and drag them around. I should design a clamp and sling arangement and have some ties somehow in the ceiling to hoist them up. Anyhow, that's about it. And of course, after you haul your horses, you should always clean the trailer out, wash out the urine with a hose, let it dry out, mats up or out of course. I sometimes lift the mats up and clamp them behind the swing door that devides the trailer, front to back. If you need to replace boards, you might have to cut the metal away near the front escape door, just maybe a couple foot section of 1 inch angle iron in the door area, slide each board to that area, lift the side out where you cut the notch, and continue doing that until you get the rotton boards out, then slide all the good ones back in, and the good new ones, then reweld the short piece of angle iron back in that you cut out. The angle iron that holds the top of the boards in is just usually spot welded periodically every foot or two along the top of the boards to hold them down. When I redid my trailer floor, it origionally had planed pine floor. I replaced it with rough cut oak, 2 by 12 inch, got it from a local saw mill in Wisconsin. I plained them down slightly, but just enough to take the roughness off, and some board cupping, then cut them to length. I then had to cut each end down slightly, about 2 inches in on each end had to be cut down to approx 1 5/8 inches thick so they would slide back into the metal rails, if that makes a picture in your mind, hard to explain. Anyhow, after you slide the boards back in, it might be a good idea to get some Thompsons water seal or some used motor oil and saturate the boards to help keep moisture from getting in. It might be easier to use Thompsons while the boards are out to be able to get the under sides too. I redid the whole floor on a 18 foot bumper pull for around $280 I think. Cheap really, considering what it would cost if your horse went thru and was real hurt, or even killed. Probably took a good 6 hours of labor to get the project done. Some people don't use mats, they just saturate the floor with used motor oil, then put down shavings. I like rubber mats, then put shavings on top of that. Might help cussion the horse a little more, and maybe keep them from slipping, I don't know. That's all folks: Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:26 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Check your trailer floors This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How should a trailer floor be checked? Save a little money each month and at the end of the year you'll be surprised at how little you have. - Ernest Haskins ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: New Web Site
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve: I really like the list, but just taking too much of my time and computer email resources. Could you take me off the list for now, we'll see how the future goes and I may get back on. Thanks: Mark Skeels email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve McIlree Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:24 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: New Web Site This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It has been some time since I've updated the FjordHorse List Web site. Rather than updating the existing site, I've decided to create an entirely new one. I need plenty of really great pictures of Fjords to use on the site. If you would like to have your Fjord featured on a Web site that's been on Google's first page for years, please contact me. If I use your picture, I will give credit with a link to your Web site. I will also be doing a new link page, but don't pester me with requests to be included because I'm not ready for that yet; I'll let everyone know when I am. Right now I need pictures of Fjords in beautiful settings, Fjords doing horse sports, Fjords and other animals, Fjords and people, Fjord babies, and I probably should have a definitive picture of Fjords eating. If you think you have a picture that would fit on my new site, please send a small example (under 100Kb) to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I decide to use your picture, I'll be in touch to get a full resolution copy and the link you'd like to have associated with the picture. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA It is not the strongest of species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. --Charles Darwin The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: trailer training
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does he back good on the ground? We teach backing thru Paralli's course and just have to give a little wiggle to the lead rope and they back. Also you might find sometimes they may take that first step off going backwards, and step right back in, alarming having a drop going backwords. I think it is just a matter of putting time in with the horse and getting him comfortable with backing first on the ground, then adding this to the picture. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: trailer training This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a one year old fjord.We put him on the trailer and drove him around last year as a baby.This year and last year,he will load up on his own with or without the partition.When unloading,if the partition is gone,he will turn around and step right off (we have a step up trailer).If the partition is in,he is difficult to move.Any suggestions on how to teach him to back off? He has been so good about everything else that I want to do this the easiest way on him. Thanks,Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
English and Western Saddles
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (GE Healthcare)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, I've seen a lot about English Saddles, sizes, etc. But I would like to get a Western Saddle, and don't know where to start. I've heard about 3/4 bar, 7/8 bar, Full Bar quarter horse saddles, don't know what that means, then Tree Size, as English Saddles, like 36cm, 38cm etc, where does that come into play on Western Saddles? Just fishing for information and knowledge before I go ahead and get a Western Saddle. The reason I would prefer a western saddle is it seems for trail rides the English style doesn't do to well, especially when going down steep grades, feels like your going to fall off the front. I have a couple Deutz Trail style English type saddles, not sure of the model, other than trail. Anyhow, they are hardly used, 1 may have been put on a horse 1 time, the other one maybe 10 times. Wondering if anybody would be interrested in purchasing one, they are 38cm tree's. I think they were around $900 new just a couple years ago. You can email back privately or call, 406-475-3123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: NFHR Evaluations 2007
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the minimum number of applications that you mention? Also, will there be any other evaluations, such as Blue Earth or Libby? Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Green Valley Farm Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:39 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: NFHR Evaluations 2007 This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am reposting this, in case you missed it. The information will be on the NFHR website soon. The coordinators are in the process of mailing out Preliminary Applications. NFHR Evaluations 2007 The NFHR Evaluation Committee recommended and is pleased to announce that the BOD has approved the following evaluations pending the minimum number of participants sign up: Greeley, CO July 7-9, 2007 Beth Beymer & Sandy North - coordinators [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-651-3940 LaCrosse, WI August 11-12, 2007 Linda Syverson-Kerr -coordinators [EMAIL PROTECTED] 608-526-6878 Phil Odden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 715-468-2780 Herndon, VA Aug 18-19, 2007 Margaret Bogie - coordinators [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-0817-9576 Curtis Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] 304-897-6627 Moses Lake, WA August 22-23, 2007 Dan Watanabe - coordinators [EMAIL PROTECTED] 509-258-7348 Karl Froelich You should receive a Letter and Preliminary Application from these coordinators if you live within their region. You can attend any evaluation. Feel free to contact the coordinator and they will be happy to make sure you are on the mailing list and answer any questions. The Evaluation Handbook can be downloaded from The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: tank heaters & fish poop
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you feel a tingle when you stick your hand in the tank, you probably have a open neutral leg feeding your stock tank, even a corroded/resistive connection could cause your water to feel a little tingly, because the 120 volts or part of it, is basically then going thru your heater, and back to the point where the neutral is open or resistive. So your water would then be the same potential as that voltage, especially in a insulated stock tank, such as a Rubbermaid. When the horse sticks his mouth into the water, the horse is grounded, and he touches a voltage with his mouth and gets a shock or tingle. I have heard of cows being killed because of this situation. Your heater could also have a nick or leak in the cord or connection point of the heater, and cause stray voltage. If you feel a tingle, I would unplug power right away and fix it. You might be able to stick a volt meter to a metal fence post or something metal that is stuck in the ground real good, and put the red lead into the tank, and measure the voltage, you shouldn't read anything. You would set your meter to the AC (alternating current) setting. If you have a voltage reading, then get it checked out. I don't know why the horse with shoe's wouldn't go over the electrical cord, if it was buried any depth it shouldn't have been a problem. If it was right on the surface or a inch or two under the surface, maybe the current flowing thru the wire, when the tank heater thermostat was closed so the heater was on, could have had enough magnetic flux lines around the wires, to cause a slight current in your horses shoes if he stood on the wire. Not sure. Basically that is how a transformer works, the magnetic flux lines in one wire causing current to flow in another wire in very close proximity, but not actually touching it. Usually the stock tank heaters have a Hot, Neutral and Ground wire, and if for some reason there is a short circuit their would then be a current in the ground wire. If you have a ground fault interruptor outlet (only about $7 at home depot) then it would trip and the horses wouldn't get shocked. If it keeps tripping, then don't bypass the ground fault outlet, get your problem fixed. Of course your stock heaters may be faulty, as we all know if we aren't cleaver in how we conceal the heater cord or heater itself, then our Fjords will figure out how to chew on the cord and pull the ting out and bend it all up nice for us. They aren't cheap. I put a board on the back half of the tank, and stick it half way thru the fence so the horse only has access to the water side, and the cord comes out from under the board on the opposite side of the fence from the horses. I learned in the early 90's about Fjords and how they seem to love chewing on anything, and it doesn't seem to matter if it has electricity going thru it. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lois Berenyi Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:14 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: tank heaters & fish poop This message is from: "Lois Berenyi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a question about the fish poop, once having had an aquarium I hated to clean. What happens to the fish waste products. Do the fish recycle that as well as the algae and dropped grain? I have a comment to make about tank heaters. When we lived in NJ we had used them for years without incident except when one of the steers pulled one out and left it on the ground. But we had an interesting incident one year with a mystery. We had run the electric underground to the heater in the tub. The horses drank from the tub without any sign of upset. The tub was near the gate for easy filling or topping off. All the horses except one would go through the gate and the one who pulled back and went slightly wild had gone through that gate before. Then it occurred to us that he was the only one shod and when we turned off the heater he would go through the gate but when it was on he would not. Rather than re-do the electric we disconnected the heater and removed it and had no further incidents. After that we insulated the tubs and covered them and did away with all the heaters since each one would run up the bill about $50 a month x 4 tanks. Lois Berenyi now horseless in sunny, shirtsleeve North Carolina The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #66
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol: I don't know much about the fish question, but as far as the fish being shocked if they go between the coils of the heater, that won't happen. If this was the case your horses would also get shocked and you would if you stuck your hand in the water, as you would have a defective heater. They might get a little warm if they swim around the coils, maybe if they laid on one they might get a little toasty even. I would think though, if you had a defective heater, you would probably trip a breaker. You should have your stock tank heater circuit on a ground fault receptical anyhow, as this is more sensitive to ground leakage and trip right away if there is a issue, same thing you would have in your bathroom or around your kitchen sink. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beaver Dam Farm Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:08 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #66 This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Naveta Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- I'm interested in using fish in our stock tanks, and maybe have missed the answers to my questions in previous posts. The Questions: -- * Is the idea that you never clean the tanks, that the fish do that? * What do you feed the fish? And do the horses eat this fish food? * Does the fish food float on the top or sink? * If it sinks between the coils of the heater, why aren't the fish shocked? * Should the tank be in the sun, shade, or partial shade? -- Ours would have to be in the sun. Will that work? Thanks for any help you can give us. Regards, Carol Naveta Rivoire The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Website updated.. have a look
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol: I visited your web site. Looks good. Your stallion still looks like he has plenty of energy for his age. He seems like he has a much longer, horsey looking torso and face than most fjords I see, but there are a few like that. My mare has a longer face than her foals, my stallion has a short face and all but that 1 foal seem to have more his face. She has had one foal with a long face, the rest, about 6 foals I think, have had short faces. Their torso's seem shorter and more compact also, but I guess the longer torso might be easier to fit certain saddles. I suppose if you bred him to mares that had shorter torso's you never know what you will end up with. I'm not sure what the Fjord Standard is actually looking for, the longer torso or shorter torso, as I have never really gotten into that end of it. I have seen you email a lot about your stallion, so now it is nice to connect the horse with the name. Anyhow, the web site looks good, easy to navigate. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beaver Dam Farm Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:09 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Website updated.. have a look This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everybody from Carol Naveta Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. Just a note to let you all know that we've updated our website. What I'm most thrilled about is finally having some wonderful photos of our grand old stallion, Gjest, all posted in one place. Take a look and enjoy. -- There's one group of Gjest photos in there taken last summer when he was 29 years old. You'll hardly believe your eyes. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Horses chewing wood
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think you want them to eat black walnut, and pay attention to your chips you might get delivered if from a city or other chipping crew that they aren't chipping black walnut as it can cause lameness or other feet defects. It don't take much. Do a google search on "black walnut and horse". That's about all I know about wood and harmful effects on horses. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Churchill Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:06 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Horses chewing wood This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe I gave the wrong idea in the original message. Except for a few of the trees that I don't want them to destroy, I am not really worried about the trees. I worry that eating the bark and wood will make them sick but so far they seem to have suffered no ill effects so maybe I should just stop worrying about something that I can't do much about. Has anyone else had a problem with illness from their fjords eating trees or wood? Robin in Florida --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Ernest" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well, let's face it, Horses, (Fjords especially) were born to eat > vegetation: The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Creosote
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I run a electric wire about 4 inches above the wood rails and inside the rail about the distance of a insulator. My horses don't seem to chew when put in wood either, but I think it may be because they haven't chewed on wood for so many years, it just isn't a habbit. My horses do however eat pine needles, where the neighbors horse doesn't . I think maybe they think since it's green, it must be edible. They have pine trees in their paddock's and have eaten the needles, long needles, a couple of them just reach out and grab a mouthfull. I haven't noticed them ever get sick from them. They rub on the trees once in a while to get to that unreachable itch, but don't chew the bark. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan ** Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:33 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Creosote This message is from: "Joan **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here in Canada we can no longer buy creosote. We used to use it so the horses wouldn't chew the wood. Just wondering, what others are using to deter chewing? I don't mean just small spots, I mean a whole round pen. Thank s. Joan _ http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.658648~-79.383962&style=r&l vl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3702663&cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Frozen sperm
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know anything about this frozen sperm thing in horses, but I wonder how it differs from cattle. My father in-law and a bunch of the ranchers around them inseminate some years this way, and have very good success, on lets say herds of around 300-500 cows at a time. I would think with that much experience maybe a rancher would be a good source of information. I know they can do a herd of 300 cows in 2 days with a good person, of course they use a squeeze shoot, but they must be doing something right to have maybe only 5 or 6 miss out of 300 cows. They don't use ultrasound or anything, just sync all the cows and they pretty much all take. They run a bull with the heard to catch any that missed but usually they all give birth pretty much within a couple weeks of each other, and the few that missed might be a month after that because the bull bred them. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:44 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Frozen sperm This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah ha, Debbie... good question... it all depends on the VET and the VET TECH or the SPERM TECH... Good ones will get your mare pregnant with "tested sperm" and bad ones will "blame" the stallion's sperm... The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: breaking the fjord to ride
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I saw a couple posts of each also. But to Brian Jensen's point of there being 2 variables, the horse and the rider, I add in this case, there are 2 variables of riders. I think at 3 years old you could put a 100 pound sack on a horses back, with no problem for training. Not saying that my wife is a 100 pound sack, but she is about 113 lbs, and I think at that weight it is probably fine. But myself on the other hand at 215 lbs, I would defiantly wait until the horse was 4 years old. So if you're slender then maybe 3, if your maybe over 130 lbs or so, then maybe wait till the horse is 4, as the tack/ saddle, pad etc also add to your weight. It reminds me of a girl I knew that was maybe 14 years old. She had a nice little pony, maybe 12 hands, that she out grew. She was only maybe 100 pounds herself, but with that pony she got all sorts of blue ribbons in 4-H and the pony club. Someone offered her $8000 for her pony she paid $400 for. She sort of wanted to sell it, but after she saw the family she said she wouldn't sell her pony to them. The boy they wanted it for was maybe a 11 year old that weighed 250 pounds. She said she wouldn't do that to her pony because she loved it. That was 4 years ago and she still has her little pony, along with several other horses she now rides. My amateur opinion: Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rose or Murph Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:56 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: breaking the fjord to ride This message is from: "Rose or Murph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the best age to swing a leg over for the first time? I have heard 3, and have heard 4. Rosemary -- The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Xango
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My mother in law is one for every little sales multi-level-marketing scheme that comes along, magnets, this suplement, that suplement, anyhow, now she is a Xango rep. Anyhow, got to researching and you can buy the same basic formula which is Mangosteen for about half the cost thru other sources, like vitadigest, or vitacost, etc. Just do some google research and you can save yourself a bunch of money. We bought our first case from mother-in-law, but not since finding cheaper sources. They might all have a slightly different additional additives, like one may have mango added, one might have oranges or grapefruit or yams or something, but the mangosteen is what your really looking for. My wife is taking it now, and she seems to think it is making her feel better in one way or another, possibly more energy, and less PMS symptoms, we won't go there. Anyhow, even though she is my Mother-in-law, and I really love her, I can't see spending $40-$60 more a case on a pyramid style sales product when you can get the same product for so much less elsewhere. Like Amway selling their $7.99 synthetic oil because it's better than Mobile-1 synthetic at $3.99 a quart. Same oil. Do a little research and save yourself some money for a new bridal or halter every couple months and get the same results. And also look at the percentage of mangostine in the bottle, and the quantity, some may be 22 oz's for more $ than others you get 30 oz bottles, etc. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beaver Dam Farm Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:24 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Xango This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- Hey Patti Jo, Glad to hear of your experiences with Xango. -- I've endured a lot of kidding about taking it and giving it to Champy (our dog), but who can A few months ago, I found the whole mangsteen fruits in our supermarket. Mangosteen is the ingredient in Xango. -- I bought them and attempted to open the shells to expose the fruit. I finally, after a lot of effort, managed to smash them with a hammer. The fruit was rather disappointing. Kind of gelatainous with little taste. -- I'd be interested in anyone else's experience, whether on humans or dogs, cats, horses. Kind Regards, Carol Naveta Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II, Ltd. Phone: 902-386-2304 Fax: 902-386-2149 URL: www.beaverdamfarm.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Raised by the Sea in Health and Tranquility" The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: General Membership meeting location
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think Judy has a good point, and I think I can give a fairly unbiased opinion as I don't usually get involved with either the shows or with any of the general membership meetings, so I don't really give a rip right now, maybe in the future. I seem to be a late bloomer with getting going with the horses, almost 44, but I have a lot of good years left in me to do horsey stuff, you'll see me one of these days. I don't know how many attend a general membership meeting, but I would say far more probably attend a Fjord Horse Show, such as Blue Earth or some of the other big ones. The only thing I could say about the general membership show being at the same time as a horse show, is that everyone seems to be probably a little pre-occupied with making sure their horses/gear/etc is all set, that they may not be in the frame of mind to have a general meeting for the NFHR at such an occasion, unless it was like the last night of the show when all the judging, eventing, etc, was already done with. And then another, winter is sort of a off time with the horses, so more attention can maybe be given to the general housekeeping/paperwork end of the NFHR during the winter months than the volunteers would like to put into it during the summer. Just my 2 cents: Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:02 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: General Membership meeting location This message is from: Judy Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi , I noticed that the NFHR general membership is in Georgia this year. I think it is an out-of-the-way place for a membership meeting. I wonder excatly how many of our NFHR members live in or near Georgia and how many plan to make it to the meeting? Anyone? Why not have the general membership meeting in conjunction with one of the regional shows in order to make it easy for members to attend? Rotate the location year to year. Just a thought. Judy Phelps Chelan, Wa. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Collection?
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read the article and looked at the pictures. Seems to me like the horses she explains as good examples of collection all seem to be very tense, like their muscles are all balled up ready to explode from being constricted. I guess you have to be a Dr. thus, everybody thinks you know what you are talking about, but it seems to me like these collected horses aren't relaxed. I do agree that a martengale or tiedown isn't good either, if used all the time. Their may be uses for them, but I guess my school would say, let the horse be a horse, train them right and you don't need this stuff. I'm just a layman though, and don't have a PHD in horse movement so probably will never get this collection thing down. Seems to me like collection is more of a drassage type training of the horses body verses a natural horse movement. I just don't see horses in the natural environment running around collected like this, except when they are showing off running around kicking up their heals, being frisky, and that sort of thing. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:17 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Collection? This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Go to http://www.equinestudies.org/knowledge_base/true_collection.html For a really great article on collection by Dr. Deb Bennett. Buck Brannaman and Ray Hunt talk about "A soft feel", but they really are talking about a state of collection. Dr. Deb's article shows illustrations of horses in true collection and those that are just "in a frame", hollow back, etc. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -10F. >OK, I guess I'm not up on all the horsy lingo. Can someone explain >what the word "Collection" really means. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Collection?
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, I guess I'm not up on all the horsy lingo. Can someone explain what the word "Collection" really means. Is it just the most current yuppie phrase for something that is known by most horse people as something else? I've seen it used a few times in the last several months. WHERE HAVE I BEEN !!! Webster's: the act of collecting things; collections; a mass or pile, accumulation; money collected, as during a church service. Maybe most horse whispers keep collecting their horses massive piles of accumulation to themselves, and don't whisper how they collect it to the general horse population. Or maybe they just pass the hat for their collection. Maybe Webster's should be sent the horsy definition. I just like to know what I'm reading about, inquiring mind I guess, and I like to learn new things, as well as know what the hay a person is talking about so I don't feel like a green horn when I'm having a conversation. Mark Skeels The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Pat and Hostar's Moose
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linda, not sure why, but sometimes I don't get messages from the list either, but then I look in my Junk Mail folder, and it is in there, so for some reason, some of the emails my setup see's as "Junk Mail" and it automatically files it in there instead of my inbox. But then other messages from the same person, go into my inbox. Just a possibility. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Lottie Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:57 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Pat and Hostar's Moose This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re the moose story..I did not get it! Can someone please forward to me - thanks!! Linda Baker Lottie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PNFPG invitation to join
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sylvia: Sorry, about 8-10 months ago I called and talked to someone with the PNFPG and was wanting to join as I was thinking of going to Libby at that time. I was persuaded by that person, a lady, maybe yourself, but can't remember what her name was, NOT to join until just before the show as it was mainly for Insurance purposes and something about I could join just before the show and save some money as the membership fee would cover a whole year then. If you don't remember this conversation, then it probably wasn't you, but it was someone that I saw on the web site as a contact. I think I was wanting to join because I wanted to be more informed about the PNFPG, wanting to get a news letter and be a part, and also get information about the Libby Show, but I sort of forgot about it after being dissuaded, as my daughter isn't super excited about showing horses, she just likes playing with them and riding them. I guess I should probably join to be a part anyhow, weather or not I ever show or get very involved with that side of the breed. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:17 AM To: Digest, Fjord Digest Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PNFPG invitation to join This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, As secretary of PNFPG for the last three years allow me to brag about the group and encourage folks like Mark Skeels to join. Mark, you apparently live in Helena and have a nice herd, 7 registered Fjords. Whether you trail ride, show in open shows, drive CDE, or show at Blue Earth, we would love to have you and many, many more Fjord owners join PNFPG. It is only $20 which can be mailed to me, Sylvia Riddle, Secretary of PNFPG, 13616 E. Mt. Spokane Dr, Mead, WA 99021. Sylvia Riddle, Teddy Bear Fjords, Spokane The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: More Contamination News re: Libby MT.
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess I got a little off the hoof, so to speak by your labeling people, or name calling, whatever you will, as "DIEHARDS". I don't appreciate the name calling bit so got a little hot in my reply,... sorry. The article you sent out was not researched by yourself as to what really is going on in Libby and the hazard that is involved for, visitors, which is probably not any higher than the radon or mold or gang violence in some other motel or city. To just throw out negative articles to lobby your point without research is very political in my opinion. How you lobby is to get ALL the facts, not just ones that are swayed to your opinion. On my own involvement with the NW Fjord Horse Show, I personally haven't been involved with it, except as a spectator, I hope to be in the future. If it moves to Washington, I would probably not go and instead go to Blue Earth, as Libby is about a 5.5 hour drive right now, and Washington would maybe be 9 hours, so I would probably add just a few hours and go to Blue Earth anyhow. Montana is a big state, it could be just as far to drive to Libby for someone from Wyoming, Montana or Idaho, as it would be for you to drive to Libby from Washington or Oregon. Putting it in Washington would further the distance for some, make it closer for others. I personally don't know why it was ever put in Libby to begin with, but like Blue Earth, it just probably just sort of happened. Has anyone contacted any city officials or Mayor of Libby to talk about the show and it's future? >From some of the posts, it sounds like the community of Libby welcomed us Fjordies with open arms, sponsoring lunches and other things, but we as a group, for the most part, didn't recipricate the appreciation. Sure they don't have a big indoor arena, nor probably the budget to build one just for us. But the years I have been there the weather has been good to very nice, having a couple rainy cold years can happen anywhere. In and of itself, 1 or 2 rainy years is no reason to dictate change all of a sudden. I have only been on this post for maybe 2 years, but it seems like this is fairly sudden and a bit of a hasty decision to me. I would like to hear from some of those pushing for change, why don't you respond positively to having a spring show, and leave Libby alone? I haven't heard anything but lets drop Libby, period, from some of those who are lobbying for the change, without any alternative, 2 shows would only help promote the breed farther, I learned of the breed while visiting Libby, as I'm sure others have, and I purchased one because of it, have had 12 Fjords, now have 10, all because of the Libby experience. If there are people with the time, desire and energy to do a Washington show, my blessing would be with them and I would hope for a positive outcome, as it can only benefit the Fjord breed. You will also have people in Washington that would get to that show that would never go to Libby, and like myself, get the Fjord bug. If you want 2 shows promoted by the NW group, bring in evaluators, judges, etc, then split the funds if that's what is necessary. Or raise the yearly fee's for membership or hold a fund raiser to fund it. There are many options for a willing group. I think some enjoyed Libby this year, even if the weather was a little difficult. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:32 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: More Contamination News re: Libby MT. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, I thought that was what America is all about: "Lobby for your cause" If I want to lobby to move the show to some other location, how would you recommend I go about it, or is that just not allowed in your part of America? As far as someone putting down their own money to hold a time spot for a show, I thought was pretty well explained as to why that was done, if the whole post was read. It seemed to make good sense to me to actually have a place to have the show if you were going to make a motion to move the show and that motion passed. It would be ignorant to me to go through all the motions of moving the show and then finding out that there were no dates available to have the show where you just moved it. Unlike you and others that are so harsh in your comments when it concerns someone else's opinion, I am trying to be open minded to what is being asked of us to consider. To do that I need information. Information like what was posted by Mr Rosen. Does that mean that I'll be basing my whole opinion on that information, No, but every little bit helps. Why don't you instead of being so inflammatory, give me some information to back your opinion of why we
RE: Marketing at Libby or Moses Lake
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If I used the word MARKETING I was using the wrong word, I was thinking of the word that has been flung around quite a bit about a year ago, I meant more that these shows PROMOTE the breed. Promotion of the breed is quite important I think to the NFHR and I think the PNFPG also thinks this is important, or should. You could call it Marketing or Promotion, whatever you will, but I thought one of the posts indicated that this was a major reason for moving it to Washington. More visibility for our breed. Sorry I don't write what I am thinking sometimes, other times I'm glad I don't write what I'm thinking. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:45 AM To: Digest, Fjord Digest Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marketing at Libby or Moses Lake This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marketing at a PNFPG show? It is humorous to be accused of wanting to move our PNFPG show to Moses Lake for the sake of marketing our Teddy Bear Fjords horses. My wife thinks this is a hoot. She accuses me of buying, buying, buying and never being eager to sell. Its the "Fjords are like potato chips syndrome". So I started figuring out what this marketing issue really means to us and to others. Well, there are 2 Fjord farms that have greatly benefited and will continue to benefit if the only show PNFPG hosts is at Libby Montana. Its the Bushnells and us, the Riddles at Teddy Bear. The Bushnells are the only ranch which is at all close to Libby, about 30 minutes away I would guess. Bushnells have a very beautiful ranch and very nice Fjords. In contrast the Riddles, have become a sort of bed and barn situation. We have had a number of Fjord folks stay at our ranch on their way to Libby because the drive is so long from western Washington and from Oregon. So we have a ready source of buyers and have sold a foal, a yearling, a mare and some stud bookings as a result. If Riddles wanted to improve our marketing potential I guess we would propose that the PNFPG show be at our Spokane Fairgrounds, only 30 minutes from us. Who will most benefit for marketing if there is a PNFPG show at Moses Lake??? Well, maybe the central Washington ranches, not the Riddles. Actually, just like Libby, anyone who brings Fjords and hangs a FOR SALE sign on the stall can sell a Fjord at any show or event PNFPG hosts. And my wife has already, in the PNFPG mailing for our Nov 4 PNFPG meeting, encouraged all members to bring flyers for any horses, tack or services they want to sell. Anyone got any nice Fjords for sale??? I am a Fjord-aholic. Actually what I need now, because I have caught the CDE bug, is a real CDE cart. ZM. Warren Riddle The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: More Contamination News re: Libby MT.
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
People still live there and quite well and healthy. I don't think 1
week a year is going to kill anybody or their horses. Also someone
argued that the weather in Libby is terrible, sounds like the recent
show in Winonna was very similar climate to what has been in Libby in
the past. Maybe that show should be also moved to Washington, then you
wouldn't have to drive very far to that either.
I think this sort of email to argue a point is pretty lame. There have
been environmental disasters many places in the nation. The situation
in Libby pertains mostly to the people that worked in a certain business
at a certain site and the cleanup of that site. I bet nobody from the
Fjord show visited that site and got contaminated when they went to
Libby. If the EPA thought it was such a risk they would have evacuated
the people that live there 365 days a year, long ago, way before some
little group that visits for 5 days out of the year. It really makes me
wonder why people are lobbying so hard all of a sudden to move the show,
other than your pocket book and you not having to drive 7 hours. It's
all about me, me, me mentality. If you want to move the Libby show, why
don't you just have a spring show in Washington and quit trying to lobby
your position. I'm sure a spring show in Washington would do just as
good for promoting the Fjord breed as a Fall show would, and then it
would be all about the Fjord, Fjord, Fjord. Your post seems like it has
a little political slant. I'm sure we could dig up a little dirt on any
community that we would want to move the show to. People putting in
their own money to reserve a new location before it is even voted on to
move it. Why even vote, sounds like the decision is already made.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rosen
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: More Contamination News re: Libby MT.
This message is from: Robert Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I recently offered my 2 cents re: Pacific Northwest Fjord
promotional
Group's(PNFPG) discussion of finally moving the Libby Show to a
non-contaminated facility in Washington State. My support for this idea
drew some heated responses from some "die-hard Libby advocates".
Actually; "DIEHARD" is what my concerns are all about.
Just a few days ago (10/11/06) a Los Angeles Times article appeared
in the Spokane paper about a Supreme Court refusal to hear a Libby case
having to do with who will have to pay for an ongoing cleanup that
currently has a
$54.5 million price tag. Among other things the U.S. Attorney for
Montana described what was unleashed there as a "human and environmental
tragedy..."Further: Federal Courts have,... sided, with an EPA
contention that the public health crisis required ongoing action. " The
situation confronting the EPA in Libby is truly extraordinary," said
the 9th circuit Court. ..."About 12,000 residents of Libby and nearby
communities ( FACE ONGOING,PERVASIVE EXPOSURE TO ASBESTOS PARTICLES
BEING RELEASED){caps added}."
There was a lot more in the article - my point being: WHY WOULD ANY
ORGANIZATION WISH TO INVITE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE U.S. AND CANADA (and
other countries) TO A PLACE AS HAZARDOUS AS LIBBY HAS BEEN CERTIFIED FOR
SEVERAL YEARS?? It appears that many person's health has seriously
been affected by the conditions there.
--
Robert Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Moving the Fjord Horse Show.
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does Moses Lake have a Nordic Days or Festival that it would coincide with. The Nordic Fest just makes it that much more Fjordie. Just seems like it fits Libby's ambiance and culture. I know the community of Libby sure appreciates the horses and show. Not sure what Moses Lake is like, but Libby and Fjords just kinda go together in my view with the mountains, pines and nordic days; it's a whole town celebration. The distance shouldn't be a issue, as either way someone will have to travel. I know people travel 15-20 hours and more to attend the Blue Earth show. Plus that is where I was first introduced to the Fjord, sorta sentimental to me. My $.02 Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:46 AM To: Digest, Fjord Digest Subject: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All!! has anything intelligent to say about the proposal to move the Libby Montana Show to MosesLake in central Washington, I sure am interestedâEUR! Lighten up folks!Lets THINK clearly because we will vote this issue on November 4 in Yakima.Voting is what we do in America. Take Care,Warren in Spokane
Blue Earth Results
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Last year there were some results sent out, either via email or on a web site, I can't remember. Is there any such results of the classes this year? I have a interest as I saw Rick Sadlon has some pictures in the show of a couple of the grey boys we sold them and I always like to see how they are doing. Last year I think one of them got a first place in one of the classes, maybe a gelding class, not sure, but it's always nice to keep tabs on your kids. Thanks: Mark Skeels
RE: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our experience is that you sorta want them out in the pasture running around some so they don't heal over too fast, you want the drainage. We had one close up too fast and the vet had to come out and open him back up to let him drain because he started to bulge up with fluid. We have had maybe 7 horses gelded and they all healed over fine staying out with the other horses. The vet actually said wrestling around with the other horses would be better than keeping him confined. My personal opinion is that 6 months is better than waiting till 1 year. The vets were pretty reputable, with the Wisconsin Equine Clinic. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Barry Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:34 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: seperating mares and stud colts This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, The vet won't geld him at this age. He says he's too young. Now he would prefer not to geld until a year, but I don't want to wait that long. I guess I could have him gelded then at about 6 months and then put him in the stall for a week or so so that we know he isn't going to bleed and take that opportunity to wean him. Just a thought.
Fjord Fun
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, my daughter doesn't show, but she has fun with her pony. It probably isn't safe fun, but she rides Bendik backwards, puts cones on his back and walks him around with like 3 or 4 of those highway cones on his back, and yesterday she got him to jump a barrel laying on it's side. So she is having fun anyway. Sorta wish she would show as she has a real good horse seat, but that's just another iron in the fire. She has a little fear of the unknown in showing I think. I think she would if she had a friend that was into that sort of thing and they could do it together. Mark Skeels - where the weather has been beautiful in Helena Montana recently.
RE: dragging hind feet
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie: Don't leave us hanging . . . Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bonnie Liermann Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:19 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: dragging hind feet This message is from: "Bonnie Liermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Question: Do these horses also "click" when they walk - hind foot striking the front foot at a walk? If so I might have an answer. . . bonnie
RE: Stallion for sale explanation (very long)
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And I think if you win the case, they would have to pay your legal fee's as well as their own, but you might ask your lawyer on that one. If that is brought up they might comply even before it gets to court. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faeo, Victoria Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:44 PM To: 'fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com' Subject: RE: Stallion for sale explanation (very long) This message is from: "Faeo, Victoria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I understand, Joe. Your first e-mail was a statement of exasperation, and after re-reading it, you made the point very well! And you are very justified to express your tortured position. I think BOTH sellers need to stop fooling around (enough is enough) and finish the sell. According to business law, they have not fulfilled their selling obligation and agreement, implied or otherwise, so you are in a valid position to correct the wrong. If you tell them that you are proceeding to file a case against both of them, as the joint sellers, I bet you will get a speedy resolution. Why? Because they are in the wrong and you do have grounds for repair. Vic > This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have received quite a few responses from my earlier post, both > private and on the list. Not from prospective buyers but from > concerned people. I have received some very good advice and was asked > some very valid questions. At this time I would like to explain my > situation and hopefully answer some of the questions. I also want to > thank everyone who replied.
RE: fungus
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Where is this fungus located on the horse and how does the vet have you apply the powder/solution? Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:10 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: fungus This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have been dealing with the ever constant problem of fungus with my Fjord. I have been using a different vet and he has me using Captan, the anti fungal powder one uses on roses. I have been having more success with this than any of the other remedies I have used in the past. 3 tablespoons per gallon, 3 times the first week and then twice a week for about a month. I am also giving him an anti histamine for the itching. Every time there is a change in the temperature, it starts all over again. Just thought I would pass this information on to anyone that is having a similar problem. Onna
RE: Just my two cents
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ditto, thanks Beth. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beverly Weston Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:53 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Just my two cents This message is from: Beverly Weston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't write in very often as I usually just read and chuckle at most discussions that go on. But lately I really have a problem with the direction this board seems to be going in. I have to say that I thought this was a discussion board for discussions such as bitting or training of fjords and that sort of conversation. Lately, however, it seems as if it is one big free classified ad for horses for sale. ... I will bet I am not the only one who feels this way but I am probably the only one who will come out and say it. :-) Just stirring the pot as I seem to do all too well!! Thanks, Beth Gerst .
RE: trailering
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, I always did get in the trailer with my own horses, but was trying to see what other people did, as there are a couple different trains of thought I know on every aspect of training. Many of them seem to work so there probably isn't necessarily any right or wrong. I was just going thru this little issue in trying to train them the way someone more experienced does it, verses the way I always have. It always seemed safe to me, but then I guess anything can happen when your at a strage place with other vehicles and events going on around the trailer that could possibly startle any horse. I've hauled my horses many places and over good distances without any issues going into the trailer. There is a necesity on long hauls, to go into the trailer, as there is always chaff, or poop or whatever in the water bucket and such. On the big trailer I close the 2 gates and usually have 1 or 2 horses in each of 3 8x7 stall areas, then the small trailer I close the middle gate and they have 2- 7x8 areas to be in when traveling. The only time I have the whole backend wide open is when they are being loaded or unloaded. So it's not really like they can practice their 100 yard dash in there when traveling. They usually rest their rump or side against the trailer when traveling so aren't just standing in the middle trying to balance. It is also nice for the horses to be able to do things different ways in case there ever comes a need for an alternate plan. Such as someone else unloading my horses or something. A few years ago we had more issues with loading horses as we didn't really take them anywhere, so they weren't used to it. Maybe the first time they were ever trailered was when someone came to buy one. But now, the more we go places with them the more comfortable they and we get with transporting. I guess the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm really not trying to fix the way I do it, just trying to train them an alternate way of doing something they already do well. You see Karen, some of the ground work Outside the trailer, is getting them loaded and unloaded with Paralli. He has you stand outside with the lead rope and the horse should go in and out by themselves pretty much on your que. If you have to get into the trailer to push them from the front to back them out, this doesn't pass the mustard with Paralli, you don't pass that part of the program, and your horse isn't trained well enough. You have to be able to get your horse to back out without you yourself getting into the trailer. This of course isn't the way I have always done it, which is why I was wondering if others had any experience with this type of loading and unloading with a larger stock style trailer. Mark Subject: RE: trailering This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mark, if you can't get into the trailer with your *own* horses, then it's time for more groundwork outside of the trailer, so that the horse learns to respect your space, and so that you become more comfortable handling them. If you are unsure of just how to go about it, perhaps a local trainer can assist you? It doesn't take Parelli to do this, just common sense. Did you read my previous post? Did you understand it? I tried to go step by step theu the whole process, but idf you felt it was unsafe to do, please understand i wouldn't have posted it for a second if I had thought it was. If something wasn't understood let me know and i can elaborate. The main point I wish to make in regard to trailer training, or any groundwork is that it takes focus & consistancy, and it takes TIME. No magic. Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees
RE: trailering
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One of the reasons I brought up the subject is because with the stock type trailer when you unload the horse backwards, you really have to get into the trailer with the horse. This is because with a lead rope on the horse unless you have a rope connected to both sides the horse tends to want to turn around and come head first. So if you back your horses out, are you getting into the trailer and backing the horse out from the horses head? With a stall type 2 horse trailer this isn't a problem, as the horse has no width to turn around, and you can back them out without getting into the trailer. Just curious as to weather you actually get into the trailer when you back them out. We were trying to train them Parelli and they have you back them out without going into the trailer yourself. They teach the owner to avoid getting into the trailer with the horse if at all possible and training the horse on how to load walking in forward but unload backing out. Of course they have big fancy expensive trailers, probably mostly slant load in their shows, which we do not have. I would think at some point you would have to get into the trailer to attach the lead rope and string the lead rope out the back. I guess every situation is a little different, as far as 2 horse trailers, vs. stock, vs. slant load and a person would just have to assess the situation and do what they think is safe in their situation and with their horse. I haven't had the issue with the horses skinning the backs of their legs, as we stop the horses before they walk off, they usually sorta look down and assess the situation some before they walk off. Mark Skeels This message is from: "Janice Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have done quite a bit of long-haul trailering with both stock trailers and slant stall trailers. When trailering with the stock trailer, we do just what Karen McCarthy does. Start with them tied and then turn them loose if they are riding quietly. They almost always turn and face the rear and rarely move around at all. As far as backing out versus coming out face first...I have seen several bad situations in which horses got their hind legs skinned up by coming out face first. A good ol' broke horse might be just fine, but a young horse or skittish horse can come out too quickly when allowed to come out face first. Backing them out leaves me in control of the process. Not too fast, one step at a time is a good lesson in handling in general, and in my opinion the safest way to unload horses in most trailering situations. Janice Lee Little Farm Fjords Valley, Nebraska
Horse Trailering
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since I saw a post recently about horse trailering, I thought I'd set out my little problem with the Fjords and see who does what. 1. How many of you trailer your horse in an open trailer, like a stock trailer, verses lets say a 2 or 4 horse horse trailer with individual stalls, either slant or forward facing, if that makes sense? 2. If you do trailer your horse in an open trailer, so they can just sorta roam around when you drive. Do you take your horse out butt first, or front first? I was told by a rodeo person that you should always take your horse out rear first because they can sorta fall out and cause leg damage or fall on their face, but maybe my fjords are smarter than the average quarter horse, don't know. Anyhow my horses tend to walk up to the edge, look down and step off rather gracefully. It is very hard to get them to back out unless you actually go inside the trailer and hold their halter while backing them up as the open-ness of the trailer allows them to turn around and do just that. Were trying to get in a habit of not going into the trailer with the horse, as other people have said there may be a safety issue with this if the horse goes bizerk for some unknown reason. Makes a little sense, since there may be cars driving by and things like that, which could spook the horse. But then if I have a 8x24 horse trailer, how is that any different than getting in a 12x11 stall with them in the barn? Probably because there have been a few cases where someone was in the horse trailer and really got hurt when just that happened, but then I'm sure some people have also been hurt in horse stalls. Maybe we should just stay 30 feet away from them at all times and just watch them, or look at them on TV, but don't get too close to the TV or you might get kicked or bit. It is interesting that horses will tend to align themselves rear first when traveling with an open trailer, like a stock trailer. Some sort of instinct, where us humans, because we are more intelligent, tend to want to tie them in head first. Mark Skeels Helena Mt.
RE: TEACHING FJORDS TO WORK FROM BACK TO FRONT
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ellen: My experience is maybe yes, maybe no. I think if you would have been with him every day my experience is it probably wouldn't have happened, but also I have had baby's do this, and it was easy to correct. Usually within a week or two of occasional attention such as the previous post mentioned. Keep doing things with the mare, the baby will probably try to stay on the opposite side of mama from you, It will be all right though. Like the previous post said, short little touches, rump at first, then other areas as they warm up. I have found it better to be in a confined area when you are doing this, like a stall or small 12x14 or so paneled area. You can warm them up to things like ropes and other things just like training a older horse that hasn't been imprinted. Once you get a small halter on them you could leave it on for a while. Not long periods so they get sores, but for a few hours at a time. I have left a halter on a few days at a time for real skittish baby, after a couple weeks of this you'll have a baby that won't mind you any more. I have also caught and put the halters on them when they were a little frightened and once the halter is on and they get used to it clip the lead rope on and use the resistance game, pull if they pull, let loose if they give. Don't be so hard as to hurt their neck though. Sounds like the stallion owner was trying to catch the foal heat, which can occur 5-8 days after birth. I have done this a couple times, as well as I took my mare to another stallion once in foal heat. I think it is better to give the mare a couple months though and then put the mare across the fence from the stallion and when she goes in heat you'll know, I don't agree with giving pills to bring a mare into heat unless it is a mare that just won't come into heat all the way. But if your mare was bred once she probably doesn't have that problem. I don't like hobbles either, I think to much can go wrong, If there is chemistry between the horses you won't have to worry about kicking and that sort of thing too much, they will just automatically know what to do, if your mare was kicking after being bred once, she probably wasn't in good heat or just didn't like the stallion. My experience is some mares kick the first time bred, but after their first foal, they just sorta know what it's about and don't kick any more unless they aren't in heat. Other mares don't even kick the first time if they are in heat. But again, most, in my experience do kick if they aren't in heat. The other thing, I have had better luck putting the horses across the fence from each other for a couple days if they are new acquaintances, so they get to know each other a little and things go a lot better. Don't just take your mare over and plop them together, your looking for trouble. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Barry Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:59 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: TEACHING FJORDS TO WORK FROM BACK TO FRONT This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, if I understand correctly: He would have behaved like this even if he hadn't left my property? Even after imprinting? Ellen. Vanessa N Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" In human babies this is called the 'stranger anxiety' phase. It takes about
RE: Salt blocks
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think I deleted the origional Salt post, but if I recall you said in one that you were using a 20 pound salt block, is that a brick or the block. I think mine weigh closer to 50 pounds, they are about a foot tall, and maybe 10 inches square, they have a 2-3 inch deep dish shaped indent on the top. They either weigh close to 50 pounds or I am getting pretty weak in my 43 year old age. But then I'm also talking the trace mineral blocks. Have never really picked up a solid salt block. If you are refeering to the smaller salt brick size, then maybe 1/4 isn't that much. The only time I have seen my horses devour one of these blocks is when it wasn't really a salt block, but one of the sweet blocks, basically sweet feed compressed into the block shape, they would take chunks out of that, gone in a couple days or less with 2-3 horses. Mark Skeels
RE: Fjord Manure Spreader
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Was this the actual spreader I referred to in my second link, model 600? Or was it a locally purchased one that was similar? I think the one I saw in my second link would maybe have the problems you mentioned. Our local ranch supply has one similar, think it has a poly bottom and metal sides, 22 bushel. Going to see it in the next couple days. It is $1600 so is about twice the price. I am trying to get one we can pull down the aisle of the barn with a 4 wheeler and go out the other end and drive it right out into the field the day you pick stalls. So I don't want a real big or long one. Plus it has to be something the 4-wheeler can handle without loosing control. I think about 25-28 bushel max. Mark Subject: Fjord Manure Spreader This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, We brought the traditional spreader to use behind the mower or 4-wheeler. It worked well, twice. Then the bearings went out in the wheels -- got that fixed. Then the belt broke -- got that fixed. Then the "axle" broke -- I turned it into a planter -- couldn't get it fixed. This all happened within a very short period of time. We found that it didn't like heavy wet manure, it didn't like wet straw, shavings just sorta fell off the back and didn't really spread. Overall we found it to be a $700 mistake. BUT, it does make a lovely planter. I'm back to loading the bucket on the front-end loader and just dumping out in the field -- that works very well. ---Meredith and Kirby (who is shedding and thinks everything is there for him to rub against)--- "...so when you need the balance from circumstances in your day, the best therapy you can seek, is out there chomping hay!..." Anyhow, has anybody had experience with the Newer Spreader? http://www.newerspreader.com/details.htm#results We are looking at buying a spreader and don't know if this would be worth spending the money on or just a gimik. If anybody has one and is using it please let me know how it works. Do you need to also get the agitator? The agitator looks a little cheezy to me, like it wouldn't hold up to much as far as if it got bound up in thick manure it looks like it might bend, but the internet pictures may not show the whole picture. Does it work with all sorts of maneur? such as straight manure, wet, dry, with and without sawdust, as well as piles of semi composted manure? How about if a person got some dirt in with the manure like in scraping a pen out with a front end loader. Would it hold up to maybe about 3 loads a day for a bunch of years? Also if this isn't worth it has anybody used the traditional spreader that pulls behind a 4 wheeler, such as is shown on this web site? http://www.horsestalls.com/manurespreaders.htm The one I am looking at here is the Estate Mighty 25 bushel Spreader Model 600. Same questions for this little 25 bushel model as the above Newer Spreader. Thanks for any feedback, positive or negative, Pros or Cons. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana --
RE: spreader
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol or anybody can respond: Are you refeering to the spreader from the first link or the second link? The Newer spreader on the first link seems to have traditional tractor type tires, somewhat larger. The one in the second link is the traditional style spreader, which does seem to have smaller smooth tires that I think might slip if the ground was icy for sure. I think I will get a local traditional style spreader rather than that one if I go with the traditional style, but I was really trying to decide on the Newer Spreader if there is anyone with actual experience with that in northern climates. What I was wondering was with the Newer Spreader in particular, if it worked with frozen clumps, or frozen turds as we would call them. Do you have personal experience with this spreader in cold climates or just formed an opinion without actually using one? Or have you actually seen someone else use it in these cercumstances and this is what happened? I was also wondering of the durability of the Newer Spreader, as it said it would pass frozen chunks and rocks up to one and a half inches without bending the lower plate, so does this mean it is so flimsy that it will bend if you get a big chunk of frozen maneur stuck in it. I would think the traditional style manure spreader would just sort of fling the big frozen chunk and you would have to drag your field the next spring anyhow because of the chunks. I did get one response saying that the Newer Spreader worked good, but they didn't say anything about where in the country they lived or if they had experience with using it with frozen manure. Mark. -Original Message- From: Carol Makosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spreader Hi, It would not work in the winter. The wheels would just slide along and not turn the drum that puts out the manure. Your best bet would be the Millcreek one with bigger wheels and more weight to make them turn on slippery surface. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
RE: Fjord Manure Spreader
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Have you used this in the northern area of the country where you may have frozen maneur at times? If so how does it work then? Thanks for your info. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord Manure Spreader This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, I have been using the Newer spreader for 1 1/2 years now. I have had no problems with it at all. As far as wet manure, manure mixed with dirt or shavings the only problem I have encountered is that it tends to stick on the blades a little. All you have to do is hose it down after spreading. I only have 2 Fjords, but I first saw the spreader at my trainers farm and she boards at least 12 horses. The spreader has simplified our cleanup and saves us alot of time and effort. I think it is well worth the investment and I would not be without one. Hope this helps in your decision making.
Fjord Manure Spreader
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Notice the title, in keeping it about Fjords this is a question on spreading Fjord poop. Anyhow, has anybody had experience with the Newer Spreader? http://www.newerspreader.com/details.htm#results We are looking at buying a spreader and don't know if this would be worth spending the money on or just a gimik. If anybody has one and is using it please let me know how it works. Do you need to also get the agitator? The agitator looks a little cheezy to me, like it wouldn't hold up to much as far as if it got bound up in thick manure it looks like it might bend, but the internet pictures may not show the whole picture. Does it work with all sorts of maneur? such as straight manure, wet, dry, with and without sawdust, as well as piles of semi composted manure? How about if a person got some dirt in with the manure like in scraping a pen out with a front end loader. Would it hold up to maybe about 3 loads a day for a bunch of years? Also if this isn't worth it has anybody used the traditional spreader that pulls behind a 4 wheeler, such as is shown on this web site? http://www.horsestalls.com/manurespreaders.htm The one I am looking at here is the Estate Mighty 25 bushel Spreader Model 600. Same questions for this little 25 bushel model as the above Newer Spreader. Thanks for any feedback, positive or negative, Pros or Cons. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana
RE: friendly
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My experience has been pretty good, but then I guess sometimes I initiate the conversations. I think at times everyone likes to go places and see old time friends again, and maybe at times don't perceive the newcomers around us. If I don't find friends when I go to meetings or events, it is usually because I haven't initiated the communications. If I do initiate the communications, I usually find people everywhere open up and talk. Even works at church. People are people. Unless the event had a promotional booth of some sort, I wouldn't expect someone to just come up to me and start talking. But I have found most Fjord people pretty good natured and open, mostly because the majority are not big time operators, but small mom and pop type Fjord people. I too am the type with a hundred questions when I go places, but usually I find if I ask the questions in the proper manor I get more information than I hoped for. One of the proper manors I am talking about, is if I do a little research on the subject myself, then if I need a couple details clarified I can talk on a somewhat informed level. Please don't take offence but maybe try a different angle. Learn when the best time to approach people is, and when they may look busy and not approachable. Maybe while they are sitting sipping a coffee, or volunteer to work the promotional table or vending table, or maybe enter a horse in a event, or something. If you didn't harness things up right in a show, then maybe/hopefully someone will give you a hand. Or maybe your way is better. As far as harnessing up goes, you may try a local driving club, doesn't need to be a Fjord group, but mixed breed. They're maybe a Fjord or two in the group also but you can learn a lot from people that know nothing about the Fjord, but what they say may also apply to your favored breed and event. Mark Skeels "J&H Carlson" wrote: > > I don't know what all of you think, but in general I find Fjord people > pretty unfriendly. I'm not saying everybody, but alot.
RE: suitcase for harness
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Silly me, for some reason when I replied with my daughters 4-H project my brain thought Bridal and not Harness. I guess those dimensions would be very small for a complete harness, and maybe a rats nest to get figured out if you ever did get it jammed in. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:26 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: suitcase for harness This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a great idea, a suitcase with wheels and hopefully a handle. I like to keep the leather harness in the cellar in the summer where there is a dehumidifier but it is very heavy to carry out to the barn. It makes a big difference in the amount of mold growing. This should do the trick! Thanks, Valerie
RE: Harness Bag
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My daughter just sewed one for a 4-H project. Not sure where she got the pattern or if she just saw one and did the rest in her head, it is very nice, bought some maroon denum at the store and a long zipper, then just put it together, sort of like a leg of pants with the bottom sewed straight, the top sewed rounded, with a handle, and about a 20 inch zipper. The whole thing is 32 inches long and 11 inches wide after being sewed together. Probably cost here $5-%10 dollars. Mark Skeels This message is from: "themercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, I just spent a lot of time cleaning my leather harness and want to find a bag to store it in so it won't collect dust between uses. Anyone have any suggestions on what and where to use/buy one? Taffy Mercer In VERY windy Kennewick, WA
RE: Duett saddle/Ebay
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just in case anybody is keeping tabs on saddle widths. Our horses are about 14.1-14.2 and we got a couple of the Duett Companion Trail saddles, very nice saddle. We got the 38cm as they fit our horses very well, but I do notice that I maybe should have gotten them in 36cm as when we ride the horses and they get in better shape, the 36 may have been a little better fit, but the 38 works fine also. Also I noticed that the saddle is about maximum length you would want to go on our Fjords to keep from interfeering with the rear hip movement. A couple inches shorter would maybe be ideal, but it is working out fine. We really like the saddles for the price, you won't be disappointed on the quality. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana where it was -24 last night, but it's getting warmer tomorrow, Praise the Lord. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen McCarthy Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:33 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Duett saddle/Ebay This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Genie, Thanks for the info! We'll see about the Laser - as i might of mentioned it is on trial. I s/b getting next week. It is a 200D, which from what research I did do, seems to fit the broader backs better. My WB's withers aren't totally 'thoroughbredy' to the point they resemble a keel of a sailboat, but he would probably do OK in a 32' cm tree, where the weegees are fine in a 35"-36" depending on how "plush" they are. One thing I am worried about is seeing if the knee/thigh blocks are a hindrence to me; if they are, back it goes! I just want to report to the list that today was a spectacular day for riding here in N Nevada! Like Taffy, we have about 3" minus of snow on the ground, but we had blue skies w/ lots of clouds, and went riding at a 700 acre ranch about 2 miles away - (we trailer over). Had the place to ourselves, fresh snow, just bunny + coyote tracks. The dogs never stopped running for 2 hours, and my mares idelle and Imilie (1/2 sisters) were in the zip mode, so we did alot of work on transitions and some lateral work, worked over stepover obstacles (downed trees by the river) plus played the 'leap frog' game to keep their brains intact ;#) The wierd thing is that even w/ a good long gallop, they never really broke a sweat, but boy were they huffing + puffing, and still VERY alert! we practiced riding side by side and I am totally stoked about putting them in a pair togetherHappy riding all. Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees
RE: question about eval. discussion
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the one time production of such a dvd if done professionally, would be worth the value of a couple horses to the future of the breed and a great value to the NFHR. After all it is a one time thing, and the cost could be recouped with the sending out of the video application packet, maybe $100 bucks a horse or something like that. I still don't think some people will go to the evaluations with more evaluators, unless they are maybe within a hundred miles or so. There is more to the question of why people don't go to the evaluations. For me and many others I think it is maybe fear of not knowing what or how to show the horse properly. I think once I was to one to break the ice, it would be easier after that and I would probably go to several. It might also be good for me to go to a mock evaluation if such a thing exists to prep for a official evaluation. Mark Skeels in mild winter Helena Montana,, knock on lenolium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eike Schoen-Petersen Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:02 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about eval. discussion This message is from: "Eike Schoen-Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How far would you all think the average interested horse owner would travel to an evaluation? How much does the professional film crew cost vs. an evaluator? Isn´t the answer: more evaluators, more evaluations rather than making movies? In the comparatively crowded and concentrated scenario of central europe we are used to take the stallions several hundred miles to their performance tests. Even with foals we are used to travel 150 miles. I´m setting off for the US (New Mexico), hope the weather is a little nicer than here - we are about to another blast of Siberian perma-frost! Eike
RE: Virtual Evaluations
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would have to agree with the below comment, however I do think a video on the evaluation process, what prep, steps, views, all that other stuff that goes with evaluations would be a great tool to have in preparing for an evaluation, even if the virtual evaluation process doesn't work. I'm not talking a camera set in a corner watching someone do an evaluation, but rather, an evaluator, explaining everything, maybe with the use of a pointer stick to show good and bad conformation, positioning, gaits, head types, good legs, bad knees, all the other stuff, even how to trim the hoves for best stance and hair trimming that is allowed, that type of thing. As I said in my earlier post, I think some people just don't do the evaluations because of ingnorance and fear they will maybe look like a fool or do something totally wrong. I for one don't have the slightest idea how to show a horse in a evaluation, I know the pro's actually know how to shove the feet in the sand a certain way to overcome flaws, etc, yes these same people would probably use a camera to lie about their horse.I don't know, maybe evaluators have people reposition the horse if it looks like they are trying to beat the system which they wouldn't have the ability to do with a video. I'm sure if I took one of my horses to an evaluation the horse may get a lower score because of my lack of knowledge, where someone else that is into this evaluation stuff big time would get a better score on the same horse, just because they know what the evaluator is looking for. I also agree that a good evaluator should see thru this sort of thing, but unfortunantly showmanship does make a difference in evaluations too. Anyhow, I think people would pay maybe $30-60 bucks for a well done educational dvd on the subject done by a actual evaluator or two. About 4cents now. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:14 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Virtual Evaluations This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to agree with Lori about the huge problems of video in virtual evaluations. I think there is way too much ability for the camera to lie. The other aspect of evaluations is that it is NOT just conformation. There are performance tests for the medallions of quality. It would be nice to keep taping and taping and taping until I got a performance test I really liked! Margaret Bogie Ironwood Farm Rixeyville, VA 22737 http://ironwood-farm.com ***Fjords for sale: 2002 Brown Dun Mare, 2004 Grey Dun and Brown Dun Geldings, 2005 Red Dun Colt***
RE: Virtual Evaluations
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What would be interresting, is to have some that are video evaluated, also evaluated live to see how similar the results were. I also think that it is a good idea. I think it would be of the best interest of the breed for the NFHR to invest in making a professional quality dvd of some actual evaluations and all the steps necessary for the video evaluation, etc. We could purchase a dvd if we would like to do these types of evaluations. Then of course, there would be a fee to actually get them evaluated, going to the evaluators and a small fee to the NFHR. Once you have the dvd, you wouldn't need to send it out with every evaluation package. All comments about movement, physical characteristics, breed standard, etc would be given by a professional evaluator and not the possible biased comments of any breeder, etc of the horses in the dvd. It would also be nice to see some examples of good conformation and movement, as well as not so desirable conformation and movement characteristics and told why they are good or not. It would even be nice to have a dvd like this even if we didn't evaluate, just so we could better judge our own horses. I don't know how many people actually have dvd video camera recorders, there are ways to take them from your 8mm or vhs recorder and tape them to a dvd recorder though. More high tech gadgets and toys!! Just my 2cents. Mark Skeels in Helena Montana
RE: Brigid's life update & winter riding
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another thing I have noticed as when we were in Wisconsin, one year, the mud lasted a long time.. Anyhow, that year one of the horses developed a frontal vertical crack and a couple others had smaller vertical cracks. But they have since grown out living in Montana, a dryer climate. I think if you were in a wet climate it would be good to have stalls where you could bring them in on the mucky days. My foundation for my 6 stall Barn/Wood Shop/Metal Shop/Workout Room Extrordinare is in, just waiting for the ground to settle around the footings and filled in areas before I pour concrete, and then UP IT GOES,, probably be my summer project, as nothing ever goes as fast as I would like. I'm even putting heated automatic water's in the stalls. I figure if I'm gonna do it, might as well build it to last and have a few comforts. Mark Skeels in Helena Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Russell Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:08 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Brigid's life update & winter riding This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Brigid, I was hanging on the edge of my seat. Thanks for the update. Re the feetsies.I think what you are experiencing is normal. When conditions dry out, it should improve significantly, but I am accustomed to horses with tough feet becoming much more tender when the hooves are wet in winter. My farrier seems to expect this as well. Gail Russell Forestville CA
RE: ice balls in hoofs
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our vet mentioned that keeping the hooves trimed short helps some. That could be why the horse with shoes on has more of a problem as there is more area for the snow and ice to pack into. Mark in Montana. Where it's finally above zero and even got close to 30 the last couple days. Yippie!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carolyn Mele Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:12 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: ice balls in hoofs This message is from: "Carolyn Mele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, As I am new to this winter climate (moved from So. FL to Indiana.) I am not sure what to do to keep the snow from balling up in my horses feet. It is particularly a problem in my elder horse who unfortunately requires shoes year round. I have tried oil and pam cooking spray but no use. Any suggestions?? My Fjord who is barefoot seems to shed them pretty well. Also what do those of you who drive sleighs use on your horses feet if anything? I hope to get a sleigh and start driving soon. Thanks in advance for help. Carolyn and Copy So Indiana which feels like the north pole to this southerner.
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #235
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, we recently had a complaining neighbor, they said a couple times last spring when the wind blew from the south they were very frustrated with the smell. So then complained that we were over covenant on horses. Everybody in our subdivision that has horses is over the covenant limit. Anyhow, a couple days in the spring, must have been a day when they had nothing else to complain about. My flesh wanted to say, well then why don't you live in the city instead of the country where horses are allowed, but I held back. We also keep our paddocks picked every day. But I think instead of spreading it around from now on were going to pile it and let it decompose before we spread. Who knows. Now another neighbor walks by and says there are too many gnats, one of our neighbors is using the feed thru fly control, but still has them, any suggustions on that one. Besides waiting until the freeze. My wife has used spray on the maneur piles, with a hand sprayer, walking around to every pile and spraying. Has helped some. Mark Skeels in Helena Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:58 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #235 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/19/2005 7:14:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: learned from a neighbor that my neighbors of twenty five years to the east of me told them that they can not eat on their patio because of the "terrible smell" from my place I pick up my acre field and three acre field once every month and have just two horses. At first I was angry as I used to have four horses and no complaint and now with two this is said. I have not had any problems with them other than twenty plus years ago they sprayed for weeds along ,my fence line and I politely told them that it was illegal. I have also heard bb gun shots and the horse may jump and turn to look at their home but I have never accused them. Other than that we chat across the fence etc. Anyone else had smell complaints? I use a compost pile for some poop and the rest goes over a steep bank to keep the edge built up. This is far from them. Jean G. I have 16 equines that I keep most of the summer on 10 acres (once the hay is in, they have 20 acres). I rarely smell anything. I water and drag the fields and put some poop in big piles. And horse poop doesn't stink!! Maybe their septic needs overhauling!!
RE: Fjord's--wavy hairdos
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruth Bushnell Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:40 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord's--wavy hairdos This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Anyway, this episode made the Norwegian Fjord community very set > against crossbreeding. The "old horsemen" back in Norway strongly > disapprove of darker forelocks, wavy forelock and tail, excessive > feathering (wavy), dark brown dun color and obviously, the worst > offender of all: white markings.>. Dagrun the Norwegian in exile in Bellevue, WA > As far as white markings, do the horses get marked down if the white mark is due to a wound. I have one that had a bad wound around the ankle and the hair that grew back has a few white areas or tufts. Mark Skeels
RE: Fjord's--wavy hairdos
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our 2 mares are lighter Brown dun that have the Red gene I believe (Ellen the mother was Red), as they have produced 6 Grey foals out of a Medium Brown dun Stallion (Telemark Leo), which is Karibu's(Grey)son, so I don't think the Dark Dun theory is very true over here. Our grey's are maybe also a medium grey, as I have seen a grey stallion over in the Green Bay area that was very dark, the darkest I have ever seen in picture or otherwise. Also this may be another non founded theory, but it seems like some of ours, grey or brown, have tended to get darker as they mature. And here is another theory, You can really tell the grey's from the brown's when it is raining, or should I say when the horses are wet from rain. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:25 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord's--wavy hairdos This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << It has been an observation of mine that often those darker duns are the very ones who have potential for producing grays, reds, etc. ...or am I out in left field on that idea? (I'm confident that I shall be told I am = >> LoL Well, considering red and black (gray) are recessive, you *shouldn't* be able to see a difference between a carrier and a non-carrier. In any case, in my barn I have three lightish brown duns who all carry red. So... Jamie SW of Denver, CO
Horses in Montana for sale
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In case there are some of you that haven't left for Libby yet, on your way thru if you would like to stop by Helena and check out some of our horses for sale. We have several for sale, about every age and sex, including a stallion that is throwing very nicely conformed and gentle foals, Telemark Leo, a son of Karibu the grey stallion. He is brown but his 6 foals have all been grey. Also one of the mares that he has bred and also thrown 3 grey foals. Maybe a couple other horses for sale, my wife has a hard time parting with them as she see's so much potential in them, but the neighbor has approached us again about being over covenants with our horses so we really need to get rid of 6 of our 10 horses unless we find some land to lease near by. They are all around 14.1-14.2 hands. We have only sold 2 geldings a few years ago, grey's, to the Sadlon's in Indiana so if you need to know how this mare/stallion combination is doing on mature horses, you could maybe give them a call. I think they may have shown one of them in Blue Earth a couple times. They are green horses, so you can train them as you like. They all take halter well and lead. Some amount of Paralli ground work but not a lot. They will be priced accordingly, but not given away. Mark Skeels Give my wife a call, Sandra Skeels 406-475-3123
RE: Research on behalf of Fjords
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It may be that the Fjord breeders forum would be a more ideal place to hash these things out, verses the general fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com forum. Maybe where this whole thread about genetic pool depletion, yada, yada, yada should have started to begin with. Personally I see maybe 20-30 years ago our stallion/ breeding pool may have been more genetically limited, and concern for this sort of thing may have been more valid back then. But I also see us going the right direction, More blood lines, more diversity, and the family tree going horizontal verses vertical. 10 years ago I occasionally saw father/daughter Mother/son breeding, but not much then, more common though was some Grandparent/Grandchild breeding. And I think that was because of the lack of either genetic variance in breeding stock, geographic location, or just people that didn't want to pay $1000 breeding fee, but wanted to make a buck or have a cute little baby. Unfortunately the people I saw doing it were the then big time breeders and not the 2 horse shows. They had 8 mares, and they were gonna have 8 foals to sell. Now I rarely hear of it and the guidelines to stay registered prohibit this sort of thing today, if it is enforced. Any how, a good direction here in the USofA, a true positive trend. I think education is the key, especially for new horse owners/breeders. Showing them how to read the registration papers/ family tree etc, and the NFHR guidelines regarding breeding. I think most people want to do right by genetics, as well as get a good quality, sound, mentally stable horse when they breed. Others just look at the bucks. Also remember education is a on going process and we must all continue this path thru life. I'm not to proud to say I still learn things, every day. Just like reading these forums. I figured it was sorta nice to have my brown stallion and mares always produce greys. Well at least 6 so far. Anyhow I thought it would be a plus such that if someone wanted to breed their grey stallion to my grey mare's, but I learned that this could possibly produce a undesirable KVIT. Still don't know what that is all about, I have heard about a "lethal white" but not sure if that is a KVIT or not? Still learning and need to learn more on this. If two greys could produce a KVIT, why couldn't two Browns? Could two of the same of any color? And what is so bad about a KVIT anyhow? Is it just a color gene thing, or something else that will handicap the horse? I need details in plain English. That's how I learn best. Maybe, as a source of education, the breeders group could come up with a couple pages on good breeding guidelines, which would be given or sent to each new owner of a registered breeding capable Fjord, either as the seller or as paperwork that would come with registration papers when you register a new horse under your name. Just my 2cents, and that may be all it's worth. Mark in sunny, somewhat dry, but the rain's a comin, Helena Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:33 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Research on behalf of Fjords This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some really constructive ideas here. What about the possibilities of getting some of the breeders to participate in roundtables or presentations which could then be distributed via all the wonderful electronic media which we have. Comments?
RE: storing hay
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ditto: We have a stack this year over 1000 bales. About 12 foot tall, 14 foot wide, and 60 foot long. I stacked the top 3 rows in a inverted V with a single width bale going down the center at the top, to form a peaked roof. Leaving it flat on top is a mistake I have made a few times, the water always settles, the wind whips the tarp and makes small holes, and the water runs down thru the hay and makes it moldy all over the place, if stored for any lengthily period. Even in Montana where the climate is fairly dry. Wisconsin was real bad if you didn't keep it dry, mold, mold, mold. A lot of waste/deer/cow feed. This year I bought 6 mill plastic, comes in 100 foot rolls at home depot for around $50. Cheaper than tarps but you have to put rope like the red bailing twine, across it in several spots (about every 4 foot and around the ends in a couple spots) to keep the wind from getting under it. I wrapped it around the ends too so I just have one continuous sheet starting on the ground on one end, over the top to the ground on the other end. The sides are exposed about 7 foot up. On pallets. The pallets are a convenient spot to tie your rope. Do it on a calm day. Looks like a huge loaf of bread with a peak going down the center. It will stay that way until we start feeding from it sometime in October/November. I found the tarps only last about 1 season then they get little tiny holes all over them and no rain stays out. Basically all they are good for is shade after that. I have also used the more expensive silver tarps, but haven't tried the very expensive hay tarps. I figured the 6 mill plastic is cheaper than the tarps and will last as long, about 1 season, maybe more if I'm lucky. The red bailing twine is better because it seems to keep tight, the natural twine tends to decay and loosen up. The best of course is a shed, which is on it's way, time permitting, after the barn, which I just poured footings for last week. Concrete block next for foundation, then up it goes. My winter project. Mark in Montana. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:06 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: storing hay This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, We tarp a lot of hay each year as we have cattle as well as horses. One thing we have found helpful is to "peak" the top of the stack. We run one bail (or two if stack is wide) down the middle of the stack before we tarp it. That way the rain will run off and not settle into valleys on top of the stack. We also like to have it on pallets. Barb Lynch
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #171
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My wife has the bute and some other antibiotic because our little boy needed some after his gelding job had a few minor after affects. She would squash the bute down with the back of a butter knife, add the antibiotic powder, a little water, and some Molasses, put it in a syringe like a wormer paste. And shoot it in his mouth. He now salivates and licks his chops like he wants it. The Molasses seems to make it good, if it is in paste form anyhow. I did notice I would have to rock the large syringe back and forth and tap it some to keep the powder mixed, or there would be maybe a teaspoon of powder left that we couldn't squish out. As the commercial goes, Mikey, he likes it!! Mark in Helena Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:03 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #171 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/1/2005 7:35:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need suggestions on ways to hide the tetracycline powder in some tasty treat so Trina will eat it. She is being very stubborn and is convinced we are trying to poison her. I have tried mixing it with: I have an old mare that hates her bute and someone suggested maple sryup and it works. I grind the meds, add a touch of water to dissolve, add the syrup and a bit of pepto to help the stomach and I shoot it in her mouth. I am sure it still doesn't taste great, but she no longer fights me. Patty in Yakima, WA
RE: passive colt
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, Blame the man. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Wiley Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:19 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: passive colt This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Patty, My colt is the same way. I think they have the same father. Mine is out of Marvin. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
RE: swollen throat
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, Heather sent me pictures and it looked just like a couple of my horses a couple years ago. Below is my message to her. Heather: These are similar to what a few of our horses have had in the past. We sort of thought it was due to the misquito's. Basically we didn't give the horses anything, we prayed for them, and it seems like they improved pretty fast, but that summer it seemed they had some swollen glands or whatever they are through out the summer. We could always feel them although they visibly went down. They were about this size 1-3 weeks, then started to go down. We had one mare that was about this swollen. We had another gelding that had another swelling maybe the size of a football, much larger than these, on one side of his jaw. This also went away after prayer, but you have to listen to the Lord on this and take His direction. That summer it seemed all the horses had this type of swelling, initially it seemed to get large, similar to this, then it reduced in size. It was hard to the feel, we just thought it was very swollen glands, it was very mosquito filled summer, sometimes the horses would just be covered with thousands of misquito's. We also had a lot of white clover in their grazing fields, mixed with grasses. Not sure what a reaction to west Nile would be like, maybe it was the horses fighting that. I guess most adult healthy horses can fight thru west Nile, and then have a immunity for life. Take that with a grain of salt though, just speculation. If your vet has any answers let us know as ours wasn't very helpful on this either. We have since moved from Wisconsin to Montana. No misquito's out here, at least where we are. It is so nice. Thanks for the pictures. We have some nice grays also. 4 gray's and 6 brown's right now. Just put them out on grass for the first time today for a couple hours. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK DANIELSON Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:03 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: swollen throat This message is from: "MARK DANIELSON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was following the thread of swollen lymph glands with interest since my fjord mare also has developed swollen glands in the same area. A month or so ago, I put my friesian in with her and he has since developed swollen glands. (was it her, or the pasture?) In my other pasture, none of the horses have this. I called my vet and he told me to take her temperature to make sure that was normal, but his best guess was something they were allergic to. I have not had this problem in past years. Anyone else notice this? Patti in Washington
RE: Fjords on Parelli DVD
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We train Paralli, have his courses. I think they are real good, systematic and progressive. There are other good trainers also with their good approaches, but we didn't go with them because they haven't put their training together in a progressive manor, (1,2,3, a,b,c). I think the negative comments I have seen about Paralli stem either out of jealousy or have seen 1 bad example and judge the whole program on 1 instant with a certain horse or maybe someone trying to put a little Paralli together with another approach. It's as much about training yourself as it is the horse. We aren't savey club members though, I think he is quite high for his club membership, as well as most of his materials. But then you get what you pay for I guess. We decided to go with his program and consider it as having been a good investment. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana, where it was a super nice day. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjords on Parelli DVD This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just got my June DVD from the Parellli Savvy Club and to my surprise watched a segment from Stuttgart, Germany in which there were 5 Brown dun Fjords and one white pony, which could have possibly been a white Fjord (no stripe) ridden bridleless and bareback (no tack at all) by young children. How neat to see that! At the beginning they worked them on-line and there was a three year old child ( backed up by Mom) doing the seven games with his Fjord! Anybody else a Parelli Savvy Club member? Jean in sunny Fairbanks, Alaska, 70 degrees today but we lost 15 seconds of daylight! Bummer!
RE: Here a bear there a bear
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My parents are near Ladysmith Wisconsin, also in your neck of the woods. They have tons of bears around their place. Sort of scary sometimes. Makes you want to have some sort of weapon or a couple good dogs with you at all times. Maybe some pepper spray or a tazer. By the way, you do know how to tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly bear scat? The black bear scat has berries and nuts and things in it, smells awful. The grizzly bear has little bells and smells like pepper spray. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Makosky Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:52 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Here a bear there a bear This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:22:40 -0500 From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Sat fun. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a bear cross the road in front of us (Heidi & me) about 50 ft. ahead of her. She only jumped a little and probably thought it was a big dog. I had my trusty whip handy to spank it. Going to have to put notches in my whip for bears and dogs soon. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
RE: swollen throat
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm no vet, but I wouldn't think a swollen throat is normal, on our fjords anyhow. But the glands have swollen in past summers, not sure about scoping them, but the swollen glands are visible from the outside, sort of toward the rear and under the jaw, lots of glands under that area if I remember right and you can also feel them swollen. With ours it seems like when they are being bit by a lot of misquito's. I would think the same might be true if flies or any insect is biting them much. Also might check out the pasture for noxious weeds that may have a slight poisoning effect to horses. Also certain types of clover are poisonous, aslike (sp?) I think. Just my 2 cents. Mark Skeels - Helena, Montana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:06 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: swollen throat This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone had a problem with their fjord's throat being swollen. My mare colic a couple of days ago and had to get surgery. The next day when the vet put the camera down her throat he noticed it was swollen. He said he had another fjord in the hospital with a swollen throat. He was wondering if this was a fjord trait. He has only seen two fjords. Both have the same problem. Thank You Kathy 23355 Modoc Ct Gavilan Hills, CA 92570 951-657-2505
RE: Fjords for sale, Could you resend that post?
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just copied and pasted Patti's message for you. Also, does your email program have a deleted files folder, it may still be in there on your computer until you delete it out of there. This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For Sale on consignment at my farm, Fair Acres Sara. 10 yr old mare rides/drives. Been driven in parades, shown in driving and riding classes, used as a lesson horse, been on tons of trails. Super quiet, not much rattles her, she also is a BIG mare 15+hh. UTD on shots, worming, etc Bloodlines are Leidjo, Rudaren, Line. She is a nice mare, no vises almost anyone can ride her. Worst habit with beginners she will try and stop to eat grass. Price is $7000, also she most likely is in foal. She was bred to my stallion, Ole last week. Now the owner said she would like to sell her. So, not confirmed but will be soon. Also for sale is her 3 yr old gelding from Sara X Ole. Andor is tall and SUPER quiet. Has been slightly backed, he should be a wonderful driving or riding mount when finished. Great disposition and personality like mom and dad. Price is low -looking for a quick sale $3000 He shoudl mature out to 15hh Email me privately for pics and/or more information Located in East Central Wisconsin. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:44 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjords for sale, Could you resend that post? This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who ever posted about having a possible pregnant mare for sale and a younger one also, please forward that email to me? I deleted it, but then got a email from someone off list who is looking for a fjord. thanks! __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html
RE: weight
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 980 lbs, I missed how tall she was? 980 on a 13.2 hand horse is different than 980 on a 14.3 hand. Is she on the drafty side or finer side? Or in between? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Makosky Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:13 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: weight This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I am fortunate enough to have a town dump (one advantage of living rather rural) 10 miles from me and I just load her up and take her there for an accurate weigh in. She was 980 this time and our DumpMaster loves to see her come for a visit. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
RE: Offspring Do Count
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree, and a side point that I might add. It is hard for me to see some people give so much credit to 1 grand parent or great great grand parent as to the reason that foal is such a great foal. There are many other horses in the family tree that are contributing to that foals genetics. Who's to say it came from that grand parent. If you go far enough back, your particular stallion you may be promoting could be related to hundreds of foals, obviously some of them are going to be champions weather or not his traits came from your lineage. Do you blame all the negative characteristics of the ones that aren't champions on the in-laws? Or other side of the family tree? You can't really say things like, oh that great great great grand son has a nice head and long stride, that came from my horse. I'm sure there are plenty of other horses in that family tree that have a nice head and long stride also. Statements like that belittle all the other nice horses in the registry, evaluated or not. It also belittles all the other breeders that have tried to keep the breed as good as they can thru selective breeding. I can see going to the parents, but beyond that, your just speculating to sell. Some characteristics that show up may not be evident in either the parents or grandparents. That is probably why we see offspring being judged, but probably not grandchildren. I can say one thing though, my grey horses have a grey grandfather. And I am pretty sure that is where it came from, because the only other color on the mothers side that I know of is Red, so I'm pretty certain where the grey color came from, Grandpa KARIBU. Mark Skeels Montana aren't in no drought no more. And it's gonna continue. And these reservoirs are gonna fill back up nice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:54 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Offspring Do Count This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Sophie, Just for clarification purposes, this quote was from my post, and my name is Lynda Welch, and our farm name is Bailey's. In comparing the two systems, I simply pointed out the fact that in our system, a stallion's offspring conformation evaluation scores have no bearing whatsoever on the long term conformation evaluation scores and ribbon placement of the stallion, himself.
RE: need information or good source for information on good fjord weight
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would say if worked good several times a week, maybe between 1000-1100 lbs, if a pasture ornament probably 1100-1250. All of our horses are around 14.1-14.2 and when they get worked several days a week the probably loose 100-150 lbs from when they weren't worked. And the ones that aren't worked are around 1250 lbs. I would ask how much they are feeding/day. We feed about 6-8 inches off a small square bale to each horse 2 times/day. If they are being worked that hard they will also need some grain. If they are being worked hard they will probably need a little more hay than that also. Also does their hay have much nutrition in it, or is it overly dried out swamp grass? Could the horse have a infestation of worms or parasite? Also, I think what we call driving or riding in some horse arena's is child's play. Some people, especially rodeo type people, work their horses quite a few more hours a week than most typical Fjord owners, so I don't know if most of us really know what a Fjord would look like if worked real hard. And I don't mean standing for a hour waiting for someone to load a wagon of wood to haul back a half mile to the house once in a while or someone that has 10 fjords and rides each one at a trot a few times around the arena 5 times a week working up a 15 minute sweat or maybe a carriage ride a couple times a week. These things, to hard core rodeo types, is child's play. But I do admit, 800 lbs seems like there would be more rib showing than any 14.1 healthy horse with normal body fat content would have, much less a Fjord. The same is true of people and horses. If we burn more calories than we consume in a day, we loose weight. I don't know if there is a way to figure out actual body fat percentage on a horse, but there must be a way. What is the actual healthy body fat percentage for horses? Other than just standing back and looking at the horse and feeling the ribs, anything scientific and reproducible that takes out human error on the market? Also, there is a limit to how lean a animal or person can be before it can start to affect body organs. And of course the opposite is true also, overly obese horses probably can be subject to similar health problems as overly obese humans. And it don't take much to be considered obese, I being 6'1" at 210 lbs am considered borderline obese. How about my 14.2 horse at 1250 lbs. They would eat until they pop if given a chance it seems at times. We must be careful as we care for our precious ponies, either way, starving or over indulging them. Mark Skeels Helena MT. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ConnieBennett Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:53 PM To: fjordhorse digest Subject: need information or good source for information on good fjord weight This message is from: ConnieBennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been using a trainer who mostly works with arabs, qtr horses. She's excellant but I think a little nutty about horses being on the lean and mean side. Last fall my then 5 year old fjord was there. A NOVICE who really wanted a fjord fell in love with my fjord and bought her from me. I thought things would be ok as she was going to leave the fjord at this stable and trainer. My grandson who was co-owner on this fjord needed the $for college so we went ahead. Also, I was in a car acciddent a year ago and 5 horses seemed a bit much to shovel up after. I just took my youngest fjord over to the trainer and she said that she was grossly obese (my vet said 100 lbs overweight). I went and looked at the fjord that was mine last year and I got sick. She looks so thin and not like a fjord at all. In six months I would guess that she weighs 800-850 lbs. She said "it's all muscle" and I said "she doesn't even look like a fjord any more and you're trying to turn her into a blooming little arab. What should a fjord filly, 5-6 years, 14.1h high weigh?
RE: TYPEEEEE
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pictures, I want to see some pictures. Did you have a digital camera with you? It's a long way to Norway from here, and hamburgers aren't cheap over there, so I may never get there again. I was in Helsinki once for a couple days, but that was 1990, Pre Fjord days. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana And we are getting some very nice rain the last few days thru next week I hope. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Russell Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:26 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: TYPE This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WOW... Just got back form Norway... You have not seen "type" until you have seen some of the boys they showed this year. WOW... is all I can say... Catherine Lassesen What about pics? Available if requested?
What size Bridle to order?
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anybody know if a full bridle would fit most 14.1-14.2 hand fjords? My wife would like to order one on line, but not sure what size, the cob we know is to large. And the one we currently have is to small. Not sure what size the current one is, but the brow band measures 12.5 inches inside to inside and 15.5 inches outside to outside with 2 straps going thru each side loop. The strap that goes under the cheek makes a weird bend where the leather goes thru the brow band and it seems it needs to be a couple inches longer. The 2 straps, one for the bit, one for the cheek band. By the way, you have already probably mentioned this, but if you haven't, there is a nice Fjord foal on the opening page of www.sadleshop.com for the 2004 Foal Photo winner, GVF Rolf.
RE: blue vrs red
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And what if in trying to get the best characteristics of both, you actually end up with the worst of both? My bid, find a good, not related, stallion that is in your area. Negotiate a fair contract. Then let the hormones, genes, chromosomes, whatever, do what they were designed to do. Better than cloning by far. By the way, were gelding one of our grey stud colts next week, he is about 11 months old if anybody is interested before he gets snipped. He should end up 14.1-14.2 as all his sibblings are around this size. He's a real sweatie. Call my wife if interested 406-475-3123 ask for Sandra. Mark Skeels Still in Helena Montana, where we have had some moisture, but need more. And it only got to about 38 degrees as a high today. Spring come back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ruth Bushnell Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:03 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: blue vrs red This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >.. You have to look at the individual components and breed to the >stallion which will improve the mare your planning to breed. Pat >Holland>> Or pick a good looking mare for your ugly stallion... HAH = I know what you refer to Pat, I think we talked about this before, a traditional theory that you can mix and match compensatory body parts by mating complementary components... the problem with that concept is that genetic selection is thought to be RANDOM ! "Toss of the die!" But occasionally you do get lucky, which encourages gamblers and breeders alike = A horse has 32 chromosomes from each parent, but how the selection works (what inherent portion derived from ancestors, and what inherent portion derived from their ancestors, etc?) and how those two different sets of chromosomes mesh into the ensuing 64... is not yet fully understood. Certainly it appears that characteristics can be amplified by similar mates, but as far as a wish list for singled out body parts go...chancy. That's why same-parent siblings may have wide variances, both in conformation and temperament! I'm sure many veteran breeders ..all horse breeds, could share experiences where they were either pleasantly surprised or downright shocked by the outcome of careful breeding plans. I've heard it said that Ma Nature has a knack for biting breeders in the behind. HAH Ruthie, nw mt
RE: blue vrs red
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good conversation. Per Pat's comment below, I have heard it other times also, that you want to breed to the stallion which will improve the mare your planning to breed. But I wonder how many big time breeders really do this. They may have 1 standing stallion and breed every mare they have to this 1 stallion. I have seen this happen, and been to breeding places that have pretty much just bred to any mare that wasn't related back a couple generations. Some of the foals come out very nice, some are maybe grade, all have their own personalities and reasons for being loved by the owner. Even with slight imperfections, as WE see them, I have never seen a Fjord that couldn't be a good pony for someone. I personally don't necessarily see this as bad. I have seen foals come from the same mare and stallion throw a straight perfect horse, and the next year maybe the foal trots with a slight paddle, next year the foal has a small head, next year, maybe a little horsy head. Or seen 14.0 in one, and 14.3 in the next years foal at maturity, out of the same parents. Maybe blond bangs in one darker bangs in another or more leg striping. Then again, I have also seen some very consistent throws out of maybe one mare regardless of the stallion. Just like a batch of puppies from the same parents may all be different. It's not really worth arguing about, and who set the magic number for a red/blue split anyhow? I'd say a 79 red and 81 blue are closer than a 81 blue and 86 blue. And surely don't let the French lady judge your Canadian Fjord. ;-) I think overall, most Fjords are pretty sound horses compared to other breeds, regardless of the color of ribbon the parents received. And on another note, we all know, some days our pony's look like champions, other days it may be a little gloomy, and the pony acts that way too. Maybe one day the disposition is great, the next, there is a hormone in the air coming from somewhere, and he won't settle down. My 2 cents. Mark Skeels in wonderful Helena Montana, where I just leveled a place off for a barn (soon) and indoor arena (future), yippee!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Holland Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:59 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: blue vrs red This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You have to look at the individual components and breed to the stallion which will improve the mare your planning to breed. If I had a mare with a bucket head, I would probably not choose Nik, Hilmar's 9 on his head would tweak my interest - if I needed improvement in forelegs I might not chose Hilmar, Where Kongard received an 8 on forelegs I might lean in his direction. - Kongard received good legs scores, but his overall was only a 7.5 - yet he is a blue level. Pat Holland I
RE: fjord trot
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think you should worry about Fjords having a heavy trot. There will always be outlyers in every breed (pony's or horses that don't fall within the breed's norm) The norm I think for the Fjord is a fairly smooth trot. My experience with ours is that they also have a nice canter, but maybe because of training or rider experience, don't like to stay in the canter very long. A time or two around the ring and they are ready to trot again. We are very green as far as horse experience goes, but our pony's (Fjords) have a very smooth trot as compared to a couple other breeds the kids have ridden at their training facility. We have had 3 separate trainers tell us they had a very smooth trot as they have also ridden our Fjords. One trainer was into hunter jump, one into drassage, one into Tennessee Walker horses so they have had some riders with varied broad experience ride them. Some of the problem is maybe slowing the trot down on occasion. They seem to have a very fast trot. Wondering if their may be differences in lines of bred Fjords, just as disposition can be genetic, movement is also genetic. Possibly a high mark in conformation evaluation may not always mean a good riding pony. Movement on the ground may be totally different when under saddle; however I don't want to start any heated discussions on this subject. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cherie Mascis Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:05 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjord trot This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah...You folks have me worried now! I got my first Fjord in December (a then 6 month old filly) and as I'll be almost 50 by the time I ride her, I don't need a bone jarring trot! Just trotting her in hand gives me the impression of a long, ground covering trot. It doesn't look like it'll be that bad! Oh well! I can always ride one of my two Icleandic mares in between, if I need a break! Cherie > oh nos!!! > > Two references to a rough Fjord trot in one digest, but it was my > understanding that the Fjord trot is not supposed to be rough at all! > > Can any folks who know a lot more than me elaborate on this? I thought > the > Fjordhorse is supposed to have a very smooth trot, much smoother than the > average trotting horse, especially as it sped up - comparatively. > > Thank you, > Meredith Sessoms > Moulton Alabama > ~ Dorina, NFR Aagot and little Anjee ~
Fjord Shows
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have never attended a show before with a horse, so are unsure of how to train them for a show, such as Libby. Is there any guide that we could show to the trainer on what needs to be done for the Fjord shows. We have watched a couple shows, but seems like some of the stuff that is done is sort of a mystery to me. I have seen english something, western something, log pulling, driving, halter class, and who knows what else. Is there anywhere that explains this all in detail? I'm sure my trainer knows about certain types of shows, but I would like to read the rules/ guidelines for myself to make sure we do things right for the first show. We're not show people, but I would like my children to go to a couple shows, just because I like to have them try things and who knows, they might get the bug. I may even like to show a horse in a evaluation to see what that is all about if anybody has details that I could read on what all I need to train my horse to do for that, how to stand, how to walk, trot, manuvers, etc. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for any helpful replies. Mark Skeels
RE: Clinton Anderson
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynn, we use Parelli rope halters, we get the warm blood size and it fits adult 14-14.3 Fjords good. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LYNN BINKOWSKI Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:29 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Clinton Anderson This message is from: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> G'day mate, (LOL) Now that I have satellite TV and a Tivo, I'm totally hooked on RFD-TV. I've been watching Clinton Anderson's shows and appreciate the way he works w/ horses. I'd like to try some of his techniques w/ my fjord, who is generally a very good girl, but could use some softening and suppling. I know some fjord listers do Parelli, but I'm wondering if anyone has done any Clinton Anderson work, and what the outcome was. I'm also thinking of ordering one of his rope halter/lead sets and can't figure out what size to get (regular or large...my mare's head isn't huge overall, but her throatlatch is pretty wide). Any stories appreciated! -Lynn _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: MANE ISSUES
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If the mane gets so long it is flopping over, it is sometimes hard to give them a normal Fjord line cut, and get all the rooster tails out. You will probably have to cut it down to maybe 1 inch long and let it grow out. Then it will grow out straight and if you keep trimming every so often, it will remain nice and straight. Yes you would cut a bridle path just behind the bangs, slightly behind the ears. There is a video that someone on the list has produced that you can purchase that shows how they trim. There are a few variations I have seen in trims, some very tall toward top and tapering down toward withers, some start short at the bangs, grow taller thru the mid portion, then taper down again toward the withers, some are cut inverted v style so the black hairs in center are tallest, some cut the white hairs slightly shorter, some just cut it off square. Decisions, decisions, decisions. I suppose there is a official way, but they all look nice. Also, some horses may not like the buzz of the clippers, you might have to train your pony to accept them. A good set of siccors are what we use, take small snipps at a time as your hand will get sore trying to cut thru too much all at once. Maybe start at the white hairs on the outside, cutting the general shape you want all the way from the whithers to the ears, then take 1/4 inch at a time till you get thru to the other side. Then look at your horse from the rear and front to make sure you cut it straight across and not sloping up or down as it goes from 1 side to the other. Some pony's may tend to bob their heads up and down some when your cutting, as it does take a while. The first couple times you do it might be quite a experience until you get the knack of your own horses little haircut quirks. Having someone help hold your horses by the halter or feeding your horse some hay to keep him busy might help some. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carolyn Mele Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:07 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: MANE ISSUES This message is from: "Carolyn Mele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hoping for some help with the trimming of the mane on my new Fjord. his mane is so long and everywhere. His mane is approximately 6 inches long everywhere. Do you cut a bridle path at all? Should i use scissors at first or clippers?
RE: Christmas Fjords for Sale
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am a little confused, so then Elli and Jordan, being brown must carry a Brown gene, but since they produced a grey offspring also carry's a black gene. Elli's mother was red, so if she passed this gene down to Elli, and Elli passed the red gene to Jordan, then they have 3 color genes? I thought they only had 2 color genes, and that certain color genes were domanent over others, such if one parent passed on a brown gene and one a grey(black) gene, then the offspring would probably be brown as brown is dominant over black, and black over red. So I thought my mares probably had 2 color genes, 1 brown, 1 red. And my stallion had 2 color genes, 1 brown and 1 grey(black). And if both passed on their non brown genes, then the foals would be grey because grey is dominant over red. I'm really confused now. How can a brown pony carry only black genes? I thought they had to have a brown gene to be brown? I guess I thought the foals then had 1 grey(black) gene and 1 red gene. I guess I may be incorrect. So my foals have 2 black genes to be black? Maybe my mares don't have a red gene passed down to them then? Will I always get grey foals out of this stallion mare combination then? I guess a biology degree may be needed to figure this out. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:33 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Christmas Fjords for Sale This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, It'll probably be no surprise for most people to see me pop in when it comes to genetics. As far as black (gray) genes and red genes, a brown mare carrying only red (Ee) bred to a brown stallion carrying only black (Aa) will only give brown duns (that could be EEAA, EEAa, EeAA, or EeAa - but *all* brown dun). So, if both of your brown mares have produced gray duns when bred to a brown stallion then all 3 must carry black. If Elli's dam was red then she also carries red (in addition to black - EeAa), but the red gene doesn't play any part producing a gray dun foal. Jamie, Genetics Nerd In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO PS: Depending on what book(s) you read the letters for the colors may be different, I first learned them as "a" for black and "e" for red, so that's what I use.
Christmas Fjords for Sale
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have found a home in Montana, and now the covenants allow only 4 horses, so we have to get rid of some, we have 10. We have thought it over and have decided we have enough pony's, so we would like to find a buyer for our stallion and 2 mares. This stallion has put out 6 grey foals thru these 2 mares. This is the only breeding he has done. Stallion is Brown Dun, Telemark Leo, out of Karibu N-1886 and Reterra Elna. Born 7/4/1997. Mare #1 is Brown Dun, NFH Elli, out of Glengard H-G100 and Ellen 2154-B. Born 4/29/1991. Mare #2 is Brown Dun, Jordan, out of Swen C-526 and NFH Elli. Born 6/30/1997. The stallions sire, Karibu, is Grey and Elli's dam is Red, thus the Grey genetics. With this combination you could have either grey or brown foals. They have only had grey to date, but it's a coin flip. The mares both must have a red gene to have the grey foals, thus if you bred them to a red stallion you could have a chance at a red foal. Elli has had a driving harness on her in 1996 a few times, and been ground driven, also a little Paralli ground work. Been on her back, but overall I would say she would need to start from scratch. Jordan has only had some Paralli ground work. Telemark Leo has pretty much just been a stallion. Were not show people so haven't had them to shows at all, but they all very nicely represent the breed, and produce foals that also are very nice. The mares are 14.2 and the stallion was 14.1 a couple years ago. Their foals have also been around 14.2. They are on the NFHR web site under the pedigree lookup, search criteria / owner / Skeels Package Price for all 3 is very reasonable, $10,000. Prices will be higher individually. We have another couple we may decide to sell also, Misty Rose, out of Swen C-526 and NFH Elli. Born 5/1/1996. Hasn't been bred. We are still deciding on the others. My wife is very sentamental over letting Elli go as it was our first horse, rock solid level headed mare and still isn't 100% sure she wants to sell her, but give us a call anyhow. Mark and Sandra Skeels, located in Helena Montana. Phone 406-475-3123
Nosy Fjords
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One of our Fjord mares we transported out to Montana this spring to foal out there, got bit by a rattle snake on the nose this last Friday night. By Saturday her nose was all swollen up, very large, she could hardly breath, much less eat or drink. The vet came out Saturday morning, as it wasn't know until then that she was bit. Anyhow he gave a couple shots and gave my inlaws some other medicines to adminster. The swelling had gone down that Saturday night quite a bit, and Sunday morning more, but she is still quite large on the muzzle area I guess. We haven't seen her yet. She is eating and drinking again. Put the foal back on her Monday morning. Vet said by the looks of the bite marks it was a very large snake. The vet said if it would have been one of the foals they would have been dead. My father inlaw said one of the area ranchers has had 2 bulls get bit this year also. Time for a little snake hunt with the 12 gauge. I'll be out there with the rest of the horses this Friday and will hope to find the snake. Any ideas on how to locate a snake, besides just walking around and waiting for him to spring his head up? Have to put some thick chaps on, just in case. Mark Skeels
RE: Takhi horse - dumb question?
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On the Dark Brown dun from the 1800's, I don't think the photography back then was color, and wonder how a black and white picture would have come across, if you could differentiate between a dark brown or dark grey, and if color enhanced how they would appear. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tamara Rousso Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:22 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Takhi horse - dumb question? This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 05:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > also a good site is http://www.fieldtripearth.org/article.xml?id=925 > Tillie I finally got a chance to look at the site. I think the dark brown duns are stunning. One of the old (1800s I think) Fjord stallion pics I saw on another site looks like the Fjord used to have a dark brown (almost bay?) dun also. Is that true or just the way the picture looks? And if it was true at one time what happened to that color? Tamara
